Jakarta

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3045195]The girls don't even get half of 300 K for each session. Do you think the Mama cut is the only thing you are paying for? Do you think the room is free? The bribes to the police that the establishment has to manage? The sheets and towels that are changed? The room cleaners? Tip what you want but girls get about 100 K max from each session. And you can't control other peoples behaviour on tipping any more than you can control their sexual demands in the room. That's not how markets behave. Luckily there are many other ways to get laid in Jakarta at places not called Classic.[/QUOTE]I can confirm these numbers based on what a Classic girl I took as a holiday GF.

If I pay 365 K for a Classic girl for one hour, she receives 100 K (US $6). Additionally, she pays US $50 / month to Classic for her apartment she shares with others. Food is provided by lady that cooks for them. She pays the lady who is provided by Classic. So those not so pretty girls you see sleeping and ignored by customers are most likely in debt, month after month.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3045195]Luckily there are many other ways to get laid in Jakarta at places not called Classic.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't know that by reading this thread. The repetitive discussion about "$22 Classic" smothers everything else. Some guys know Jakarta has more to offer, but this least common denominator venue has become a gravitational black hole. AR.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045387]There is a third type:

3. The man whose currency is strong and does not want to take advantage of the exchange rate. A man with empathy participating in a hobby where the girls are uneducated, handed a shit sandwich in life, and are unable for whatever reason to earn a living except selling their strongest commodity: their body.[/QUOTE]I understand your point of view, but this is the exact opposite of what me and few others have been talking about.

Enough has been discussed on this topic and you may continue doing what you like regardless of what anyone else says, but please ask yourself this.

1. Are you a social worker?

2. Were you there in Jakarta for Mongering?

3. Are you talking about uplifting economic status of p4 p girls?

Please be clear about your intentions and don't offset your primary reason to be there with some moral highground to make you feel good about yourself. We are all humans and we all share the same base urges, accept them as they are.

Economic inequity is a fact of life, and this fact gives rise to professions of need like prostitution or manual labour or any work that people do because they have to do it, not because they like to do it. And yet some are better at it and some are not. This is the same pool that you are also buying from so please don't have any split opinions in this case.

Economic inequity doesn't only affect females you know, it affects other genders too, if you want to do something for the poor and uneducated why not do it for them also.

You have shared some good experiences here and based on the responses you know that many have liked your posts including myself.
In fact I have set myself a similar deal as you did with my Classic girl from earlier experience, she has agreed to be with me for 4-5 days, she also suggested that we go to Batam for this short time together of ours, but I have other plans and don't want to travel to yet another location after already travelling for so many hours, we will spend time in Jakarta only and I am researching on some exciting opportunities for the same.

Take care and I wish you all the best.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3045243]Are you referring to the customers or the girls? I would be going to Jakarta to session with Indonesian girls, not Chinese so this would kind of suck if it's becoming like Singapore where the scene has imported instead of local product.[/QUOTE]For those of you who might venture beyond the boundaries of Jakarta, you will notice that Sulawesi is heaving with mainland Chinese courtesy of the nickel refining. They also take the time to enjoy Jakarta at the end of a three month shift in what could only be described as the apocalyptic hellholes of Morowali or Halmahera. Believe me, they need and deserve the release too.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045387]There is a third type:

3. The man whose currency is strong and does not want to take advantage of the exchange rate. A man with empathy participating in a hobby where the girls are uneducated, handed a shit sandwich in life, and are unable for whatever reason to earn a living except selling their strongest commodity: their body.[/QUOTE]+1.

On this forum from time to time there is concerted effort to discredit / tarnish the image of Chinese / Indians / South Asians / Turks et al for various reasons. However wise members and Indos reading this can read between the lines and know these days anyone can pretend to be anything on an online forum.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045387]There is a third type:

3. The man whose currency is strong and does not want to take advantage of the exchange rate. A man with empathy participating in a hobby where the girls are uneducated, handed a shit sandwich in life, and are unable for whatever reason to earn a living except selling their strongest commodity: their body.[/QUOTE]Well said.

If I want to give a girl I like an extra $50 or $100 so that she doesn't have to worry about the rent for that month, that shouldn't matter to anyone else.

And no, I am not a social worker but if spending a little bit of money gives me and the girl happiness for a while, who the f* are you to tell me not to do it.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;3045362]This is what you are competing against more and more.[/QUOTE]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045589]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Time to open that Youtube vid and flag it ("Sexual content" - "Sex trafficking in Indonesia"). Censorship is our friend here!

[QUOTE=HappyFarang;3029683]She seemed uncomfortable during sex. This is not the first time, I had one girl before (one of the six I've seen so far) who refused to be on top because I was "too long". I am the kind of man who wants to see the girl enjoy herself, so this sucks. So far 4 girls seemed to be perfectly fine with my size, one refused the position, and two had this expression of pain on their faces during sex.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. Do you routinely use lube and take things super slow at first? Is there any arousing foreplay involved when you monger? Do you ever ask before taking a girl back if she is good with big size? All these have helped me out. A little bit.

I am also a monger that receives mental pleasure when the lady receives some sort of pleasure. Seeing her in constant pain is an immediate dick softener for me. I have a major size issue when I monger with Koreans / Chinese in the US. My experiences have been so poor that I no longer L3 with Koreans / Chinese. I always bring my own condoms and lube and take things super slow and sensual.

Some ladies are just not built physically to enjoy activities with girthier dudes. I actually had one super sweet Korean 20-something tell me in perfect English "Baby, I have to work 10 hours today, it will be hard to work good afterwards. Let me give you great blowjob only. Maybe you call in next time for arrangement". I have absolutely no idea what the last part meant but I get the jist.

As a side note, I have zero issues with Latinas or Thais. I have a 45-day SE Asia work / monger trip coming up. I normally spend all my time bouncing around Thailand but this entire Jakarta thread has me thinking about squeezing in a 7-day Jakarta excursion.

[QUOTE=XXL;3045596]Time to open that Youtube vid and flag it ("Sexual content" - "Sex trafficking in Indonesia"). Censorship is our friend here![/QUOTE]If only it were that easy. Those pesky Asians are too smart. Only 1 video posted in that channel, so if you stamp out one, it will pop up somewhere else. I have seen dozens of such channels in Chinese and Japanese. Once the algorithm knows your proclivities, it will serve you more. TBH, some of the Chinese channels are particularly interesting and informative to discover hidden treasures. If you can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3032967]Lots of girls on Seeking but man there is so much variance in pricing. They are all over the map.

I'm using 400 K at classic and 2 M at emporium /1001 as reference points.

Some girls are patently insane wanting 5-10 M. I had one come down to 4 M. But would not budge and I kicked her to the curb. Just seems morally wrong to pay that in Jakarta. She's a real hottie and great chat. But 4 M? Am I off base here?

I have two very hot girls signed up at 1. 5 and 2 M. That seems fair. One wouldn't budge below 3 M but I told her ok to just keep her warm. Will prob take the 1. 5 and / or 2 M girls instead. Not that I can't afford it. It just bugs me girls are getting 400 K at classic and then these girls are charging 3-4 M..[/QUOTE]To some mongers, Seeking girls have a higher value proposition. When I say value, I don't mean price. In my mind price is simple and objective while value is subjective and personal. Some mongers place a high value on connection, non-rushed experience, developing GFE somewhat organically, spending as much time on verbal / mental foreplay as the actual sexual act. Also consider a Classic girl is working 8 - 12 hours taking dick from multiple men multiple times a day. The wear and tear on her body and mind is something to consider.

I have done both (brothel type and SA type) experiences. In my experience, they are not at all comparable. I like them both for what they offer. A good to great SA experience is worth far more than a good to great brothel experience.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3045617]To some mongers, Seeking girls have a higher value proposition. When I say value, I don't mean price. In my mind price is simple and objective while value is subjective and personal. Some mongers place a high value on connection, non-rushed experience, developing GFE somewhat organically, spending as much time on verbal / mental foreplay as the actual sexual act. Also consider a Classic girl is working 8 - 12 hours taking dick from multiple men multiple times a day. The wear and tear on her body and mind is something to consider.

I have done both (brothel type and SA type) experiences. In my experience, they are not at all comparable. I like them both for what they offer. A good to great SA experience is worth far more than a good to great brothel experience.[/QUOTE]You are quite right that Seeking dates and clubs are two completely different things. I have done both a ton and enjoy both. When I travel I try to do both experiences because as you say they are so different. What I found odd in Jakarta that made things different is the discontinuity in Classic pricing. Worldwide there is a strong correlation between a one hour brothel price and a one evening Seeking girl. A Seeking date will be within 1-2 x of the local hooker price. I have found this surprisingly consistent. US, Spain, Brazil, etc.

And the rule holds in Jakarta as well for Malio, Emporium and 1001. So I would have no problem paying a Seeking girl that 1 x or 2 X price tag for a relaxed dinner with sex afterward. What hurt my head is that the discontinuous pricing at Classic means a Seeking girl is more like 5-10 X a Classic girl. And I know using the word "morally" here is ironic, but it kinda hurts my moral compass for one girl to be making 10 X what an equally lovely girl is making.

Not sure everyone would agree with me and the number of guys here who have played the Seeking game and therefore have perspective is low. But that's just the way it was for me mentally. So I did Seeking once, Malio once, 1001 once, Emporium once, and Classic many times. Just couldn't mentally justify the premium elsewhere (similar to Bangkok prices) and I actually love a loud smoky club w a live band. I know I am the exception there.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045589]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]You are def right that westerners are not the problem. I was at all three Classic clubs four nights and did not see another white guy. Not one! Only saw one white guy my entire visit and that was at the Movenpick.

As far as the other discussion on tipping I generally agree it's not necessary to tip for nothing special. That said when I am considering whether that $5-10 will do more good in their pocket or mine it's an easy decision. I truly don't understand the one comment below where someone says the tip doesn't help them. It def does more for them than it does for me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045684]You are def right that westerners are not the problem. I was at all three Classic clubs four nights and did not see another white guy. Not one! Only saw one white guy my entire visit and that was at the Movenpick.

As far as the other discussion on tipping I generally agree it's not necessary to tip for nothing special. That said when I am considering whether that $5-10 will do more good in their pocket or mine it's an easy decision. I truly don't understand the one comment below where someone says the tip doesn't help them. It def does more for them than it does for me.[/QUOTE]I agree in a way. I'm also giving money "for free" to girls in Indonesia.

But I don't do it in the setting of a service.

When I meet a girl at my Airbnb. So a "normal" girl or Lokasari girl. She knows exactly how much she receives before she arrives, no ambiguity of money or service (generally 400-500 BBFS; or extra bonus for video together). If I feel like she is desperate or if I genuinely like her, she will receive some gift outside the setting of our play-dates, transferred by Wise. But I keep that strictly separate, so as not to create the expectation, that regular service now receives an inflated price tag.

If you truly want to help someone in need, I suggest to get their number and try to separate it as well.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045151]Shoes, haircut, clothes, mannerisms, etc. The other 5% could be SG and / or TW.[/QUOTE]And their Xiao mi and Huawei phones and their mandarin.