Jakarta

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045674]You are quite right that Seeking dates and clubs are two completely different things. I have done both a ton and enjoy both. When I travel I try to do both experiences because as you say they are so different. What I found odd in Jakarta that made things different is the discontinuity in Classic pricing. Worldwide there is a strong correlation between a one hour brothel price and a one evening Seeking girl. A Seeking date will be within 1-2 x of the local hooker price. I have found this surprisingly consistent. US, Spain, Brazil, etc.

And the rule holds in Jakarta as well for Malio, Emporium and 1001. So I would have no problem paying a Seeking girl that 1 x or 2 X price tag for a relaxed dinner with sex afterward. What hurt my head is that the discontinuous pricing at Classic means a Seeking girl is more like 5-10 X a Classic girl. And I know using the word "morally" here is ironic, but it kinda hurts my moral compass for one girl to be making 10 X what an equally lovely girl is making.

Not sure everyone would agree with me and the number of guys here who have played the Seeking game and therefore have perspective is low. But that's just the way it was for me mentally. So I did Seeking once, Malio once, 1001 once, Emporium once, and Classic many times. Just couldn't mentally justify the premium elsewhere (similar to Bangkok prices) and I actually love a loud smoky club w a live band. I know I am the exception there.[/QUOTE]Maybe part of the value for a SA girl is that your load is not the 6th she has taken that day! There is a huge difference between a high volume fuck factory girl and a genuine non pro student or office worker on Seeking. If all you want is hole to release in, Classic or its many other equivalents is the best value. But if you want the pleasure of fucking a truly horny 21 year old college student that makes you feel 30 year younger then you are not going to find it in Classic. If you don't want your dick to wiped in Listerine and the girl just going through the motions one more time then maybe Seeking girls are better. As for price delta, taking a Classic girl home will cost 5 x sessions which is already $2 M. I don't pay much more than that (if at all) for all nighters with Seeking girls.

Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.[/QUOTE]I don't think tipping would do any good. What I did was ordering a coke, telling the mamason "minum dulu" (drink first), "lihat dulu" (look around first). Sometimes I moved to another spot if a mamasan was pestering me too much, to the other side where that particular mamasan didn't have "her" girls. Note sometimes you may miss out on the mamasan showing you gems.

I was never worried about service at Classic's. I went by looks. If I could get the girl I found hot, service would take care of itself.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3045617]I have done both (brothel type and SA type) experiences. In my experience, they are not at all comparable. I like them both for what they offer. A good to great SA experience is worth far more than a good to great brothel experience.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have had numerous SB's and also ONS's I met on Seeking. Very, very different than the "brothel type" girl.

Most Seeking girls I've met were very GFE-ish. I'm not all about smash and jizz; my good friends are like that. Sometimes I don't even have sex. Sometimes I like to hang out with a beautiful, naked 20-something year old and chill. Pleasure doesn't only come from orgasm / ejaculation.

I recommend watching Rena Malik, MD (urology) youtube videos on male sexuality.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.[/QUOTE]Learn to stay no. No need to tip for people to breathe big spender!

[QUOTE=XXL;3045776]I don't think tipping would do any good. What I did was ordering a coke, telling the mamason "minum dulu" (drink first), "lihat dulu" (look around first). Sometimes I moved to another spot if a mamasan was pestering me too much, to the other side where that particular mamasan didn't have "her" girls. Note sometimes you may miss out on the mamasan showing you gems.

I was never worried about service at Classic's. I went by looks. If I could get the girl I found hot, service would take care of itself.[/QUOTE]I think he meant tip as in advice not $$.

My advice is to first avoid getting in the door trap. And this is mostly T2. Once you pay your entry and enter the club, take an immediate left and head to the restroom. Keep a laser focus and don't look at the mamasans. Go take a pee then pick a table near the stage and in that end of the room. Just doing this fixes the problem 80%. Then if approached just tell her you don't want any girls right now. No matter who she brings just tell her no you don't want any girls. This won't take but one or two times and she gets the message. Also you can get a beer and change locations. I tend to want to survey so I stroll a lot.

I will add though that my fave girl Raisa was brought by mamasan Chaca. I don’t recall seeing Raisa anywhere and even looked for her other nights so maybe she is one of the hidden gems guys mention sometimes. Anyhow I liked her look and let her stay. And next thing u know we were fucking! Set up a time with her at T2 arranged ahead via Chaca another night. So in some cases the mamas can add value.

Red top staff is pretty hot. I know which girl you are talking about. She is in the cafe I was chatting her whole of last year. There used to be one in coffee cum bar area also.

And then there is one in the reception area, she is like manager and sits in the back office, she is super hot. I had WA nos and chatted them up but they are really busy and get no time for play. By the time they finish their duty hours they are very tired and have no energy for anything else. But try your luck you never know.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3044244]Just finished my stay in Jakarta.

[B]Prologue[/B]

As a Catholic, I enjoyed banging Muslim Tinder10 on Christmas. During playtime I had her facedown straddling the corner of the bed. With her legs pinned by mine and holding both her hands behind her back, I spanked that beautiful ass while scolding her:

"Why are you letting a Catholic fuck you on Christmas?

"You eat pork? You're a bad Muslim girl!

"Infidel!

She was smiling and laughing. Later she said she loved it. A kinky girl who is dying to eat pussy but has not been able to find a willing girl in Jakarta..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.[/QUOTE]

Why in the world would you think tipping her was the answer?
That would just incentivize her AND other mommas to run up to you next time.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;3045824]Why in the world would you think tipping her was the answer?
That would just incentivize her AND other mommas to run up to you next time.[/QUOTE]He meant tips as in advice. Not tips as in $$.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045827]He meant tips as in advice. Not tips as in $$.[/QUOTE]LOL. Gotcha, my fault.

To properly assess local values of sex, one should compare the ratio of the cost of a half hour session to the most basic cost of living, the most reliable is cost of an average meal, leaving out the cost of housing, healthcare, transportation, discretionary spending ect for now. Local market prices for sex tend to adjust with supply / demand on basis of basic survival needs.

California apartment girls charge $200, $160 net after bookers' fees. Big Mac meal $10, ratio 16 X. Local demand for sex is high; girls book average 5-8 sessions a night, making 80 to 120 meals. These girls tend to dine in high-end places, not McDonald's.

Tijuana Hong Kong Club girls net $120, no bar cut, average meals $7, ratio 18 X. Competition is high; girls book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 18 to 36 meals.

Tijuana street girls net $25, average meals $7, ratio 4 X. Demand is steady; girls book average 5-10 sessions a night, making 20 to 40 meals.

A quick search shows food Price Range in Jakarta.

• McMeal at McDonald's (or Equivalent Combo): Rp 50,000 - Rp 70,000.

• Big Mac Meal: Around Rp 40,000 or $2.54 (USD equivalent in 2025).

• Inexpensive Meal (General Restaurant): Rp 36,000.

• AYCE BBQ meal: Rp 150 K.

Classic girls Rp 345 K Net 300 K, Basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 7 X. Lots of girls. They book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 7 to 14 meals.

Emporium Rp 1,000 K net 800 K, basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 20 X. Due to high price, I am guessing emporium girls book 0-1 session a night, making 0 to 20 meals.

Comparing bars to bars, Emporium girls' value is about average in the international scale, while Classic girls' value is lower by 3 to 4 folds.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? [b]I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl.[/b][/QUOTE]No need for subterfuge. Honesty is the best policy. Just point to the stairs and tell mami that you are waiting for a girl who has just got a warm filling as you prefer sloppy seconds. Better to educate mami in your proclivities from the get go. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3045857]To properly assess local values of sex, one should compare the ratio of the cost of a half hour session to the most basic cost of living, the most reliable is cost of an average meal, leaving out the cost of housing, healthcare, transportation, discretionary spending ect for now. Local market prices for sex tend to adjust with supply / demand on basis of basic survival needs.

California apartment girls charge $200, $160 net after bookers' fees. Big Mac meal $10, ratio 16 X. Local demand for sex is high; girls book average 5-8 sessions a night, making 80 to 120 meals. These girls tend to dine in high-end places, not McDonald's.

Tijuana Hong Kong Club girls net $120, no bar cut, average meals $7, ratio 18 X. Competition is high; girls book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 18 to 36 meals.

Tijuana street girls net $25, average meals $7, ratio 4 X. Demand is steady; girls book average 5-10 sessions a night, making 20 to 40 meals.

A quick search shows food Price Range in Jakarta.

McMeal at McDonald's (or Equivalent Combo): Rp 50,000 - Rp 70,000.

Big Mac Meal: Around Rp 40,000 or $2.54 (USD equivalent in 2025).

Inexpensive Meal (General Restaurant): Rp 36,000.

AYCE BBQ meal: Rp 150 K.

Classic girls Rp 345 K Net 300 K, Basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 7 X. Lots of girls. They book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 7 to 14 meals.

Emporium Rp 1,000 K net 800 K, basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 20 X. Due to high price, I am guessing emporium girls book 0-1 session a night, making 0 to 20 meals.

Comparing bars to bars, Emporium girls' value is about average in the international scale, while Classic girls' value is lower by 3 to 4 folds.[/QUOTE]You know this approach has some merit! And does confirm the anomaly of Classic. But what I want to know where to find these $200 California apt girls!

Further to your ratio based thinking. The largest common bill in the USA is $100. The largest bill in Indonesia is worth $6 usd. Which says a lot about average cost of living there. And most ATMs won't dispense more than $60 usd. Again speaks to what kinda cash you might normally need.

You also mention a classic girl might net 1-2 sessions a night and thst is more my experience. Even that is high for most girls there imo. So those saying Classic girls are high mileage may not have spent much time there. The girls don get a huge number of sessions.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045930]You also mention a classic girl might net 1-2 sessions a night and thst is more my experience. Even that is high for most girls there imo. So those saying Classic girls are high mileage may not have spent much time there. The girls don get a huge number of sessions.[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl as always. Some girls, you'll wait all night long and won't even be able to snatch them, unless you arrive early.

Some other girls, you'll see them sitting on the couch all night long every time you come around.

I can't say for Classic specifically, but for Travel, I discussed this with 2 girls that I would personally consider average to good looking, and they said they're being fucked 7 times per day on average. That's quite a lot.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045674]You are quite right that Seeking dates and clubs are two completely different things. I have done both a ton and enjoy both. When I travel I try to do both experiences because as you say they are so different. What I found odd in Jakarta that made things different is the discontinuity in Classic pricing. Worldwide there is a strong correlation between a one hour brothel price and a one evening Seeking girl. A Seeking date will be within 1-2 x of the local hooker price. I have found this surprisingly consistent. US, Spain, Brazil, etc.

And the rule holds in Jakarta as well for Malio, Emporium and 1001. So I would have no problem paying a Seeking girl that 1 x or 2 X price tag for a relaxed dinner with sex afterward. What hurt my head is that the discontinuous pricing at Classic means a Seeking girl is more like 5-10 X a Classic girl. And I know using the word "morally" here is ironic, but it kinda hurts my moral compass for one girl to be making 10 X what an equally lovely girl is making.

Not sure everyone would agree with me and the number of guys here who have played the Seeking game and therefore have perspective is low. But that's just the way it was for me mentally. So I did Seeking once, Malio once, 1001 once, Emporium once, and Classic many times. Just couldn't mentally justify the premium elsewhere (similar to Bangkok prices) and I actually love a loud smoky club w a live band. I know I am the exception there.[/QUOTE]In western EU Seeking date is Not 1 x-2 x times brothel price but significantly higher than that.

Before anything there are some high quality women (in beauty & intellect) on Seeking. Yes the sex is good but that reflects in high price paid.

You missed the additional costs involved. In western EU (Ger, Aus, UK) seeking date starts from 5-700 euros at lower end of spectrum plus (dinner / drinks / hotel (sugar dates don't go to budget hotels ie Bnb, Meininger, Travelodge) The sum total comes to around Eur 7-900 at lower end. How many guys can spend that on weekly basis or even fortnightly basis (Eur-1500/2000) with the current economic situation in EU.

As such lot of women are not into PPM type of arrangements and are looking for allowances in the range of min 3-5 K Euros for 2-3 meetings. Some women have multiple sponsors supporting her so it not mutually exclusive deal with her. The numbers are from few years back I'm not sure what the figures are now. Classic pricing is as per local market conditions. I've been told there are options even lower! And higher as you are well aware of within Jakarta and elsewhere in SE Asia.

In EU any sugar dating platform is meant for guys who don't have to think about money. I'm not sure what the point is benchmarking prices against Seeking or any other sugar dating platform. They are different platforms for different clientele and ladies. And yes it is not anomaly in pricing even big Industries / Corps come to Asia for value for money. Enjoy Jakarta for all that it has to offer.