FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Craiova;2342004]All this complains about "upselling" and pricing and this before the background there wasn't any price increase at german P6 service for at least the last 20 years. For instance P6 prices in Thailand are now at least 4 times higher compared with 20 years ago.

And it's funny almost all users here seems to forget that we had some mayor leagal changes excactly two years ago. Only this leagal change at July 1st 2017 should be reason enough to increase P6 prices.

Even with 100 Euro for 30 minutes German FKK clubs are still a very good option on world wide P6 scene.

So guys stop with this ridicules "upselling" complains und accept this or just go at other P6 countries.

I would be happy we had a general rule 100430 like it was 50430 around 10 years ago und I don't have to negoiate everything before and that I could find girls like 10 years ago instead of this Kindergarten girls nowadays haven't the slightest clue about good sex.[/QUOTE]For me, all girls don't worth same rate, chic, elegant with charm beauties worth more than 50, when GND don't worth I pay for, and I had in Germany higher level Romanians than 70% of my Russian escorts met in Paris for about 200/ h, but I hate grocer girls who ask for 1€ for each kiss, killing desire and illusion for love in bed, not GF woman type. I only repeat with not grocer girls, but I have no problem to pay more expensive for higher quality, even I always try to avoid to speak about money. Tough game at Oase, but skill and manners don't work so bad, orgasmus versus upselling. Some return, even at Oase.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2342038]Craiova. If you want to pay 100 for 30 minutes then fine by me. I pay 50 for each 30 minutes, and so do loads of other guys, although as Delta says, this is not always very easy at Sharks. I am not sure why you tell such guys to abandon Germany.

Maybe I am fighting a losing battle, especially as I am told by a more experienced member than I, that prices worldwide are rising. And to be honest, in some countries I would be willing to pay way more than 100 for 30 minutes

I, like you, am surprised at the way quite a few girls now are really clueless about sex, even when they are trying hard[/QUOTE]But real pity if Amanda fell from Finca standards to Sharks level. Top GF for intense and passionate love in bed for my experience on Vatertag. Magdalena was really not on same level. Aicha is higher potential for sex, but not so sweet passionate.

[QUOTE=SerpentX;2341910]If she wraps up herself all the time it's Jennifer. I believe she doesn't do 30 minutes rooms and looks for long rooms with extras instead.[/QUOTE]She was nude, not wrapped in a towel. And as it was very hot that day almost no girl was wrapped in a towel.

I am not sure if your assertion is trustworthy. I was in Sharks last Wednesday night (6/26). Me and all my friends got 100 for 60 min sessions. I couldn't believe that just within a few days after that time no one would take 100 for 60.

I was with Flavia again, at least she agreed 100 for 1 hour, although I paid her 160 euros which included CIM and 10 tips.

I did talk to Mandy. She had no problem for 100/ hour. One of my friends went with her.

Nicoletta didn't take 50/30 min. But she agreed 100/60 min. As one of my friends had a session with her.

The list of girls whom I talked to also accepted minimum 100/ hour.

Selina, Melanie, Rebecca, Amalia, Ashley, Lavinia, Esther, Elif, etc. Some other 5 girls I didn't write down their name. Obviously they are willing to accept 100 for 60 minutes.

Evita was busy that day. A guy who went with her before told me that Evita had no problem to go with 100/ hour.

You failed to mention any girl name in your post. I doubt if you ever visit Sharks. I wonder why You made up a fictitious post to smear girls in Sharks.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2341975]I have been to Sharks many times and always managed to have a good time besides a few scammers. On Friday night it was horrible, almost every girl wanted 100 for 30 minutes with kissing and BBBJ. No one would even take 100 for 60, finally a German girl of Egyptian origin came along to save the day. The lineup was not that great either.

If it is like this, there is little to recommend Sharks to me at this point.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Optimist;2342038]Craiova. If you want to pay 100 for 30 minutes then fine by me. I pay 50 for each 30 minutes, and so do loads of other guys, although as Delta says, this is not always very easy at Sharks. I am not sure why you tell such guys to abandon Germany.

Maybe I am fighting a losing battle, especially as I am told by a more experienced member than I, that prices worldwide are rising. And to be honest, in some countries I would be willing to pay way more than 100 for 30 minutes

I, like you, am surprised at the way quite a few girls now are really clueless about sex, even when they are trying hard[/QUOTE]Over the past three months I've had close to 60 sessions at Sharks. Of those 60 only two were EUR 100 for half hour and that was 2 too much as on hindsight I could have done without them. I had a few EUR 100 one hour sessions where I decided to increase the time during the session because of how enjoyable it was going. I avoid most of the Asian hunters and optics most of whom are mentioned by posters here on ISG.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2342036]Anyone knows the name of the girl who fell down the stairs today?[/QUOTE]I recognized the scream of the girl when it happened. It was in the early afternoon and not many people in the hall. According to a German guy it's Ayala (pale skin), the Russian girl. I remember that Anjelica was talking to her in Russian language. This German guy also confirmed that unfortunately the leg is broken as he was told later.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2342147]Over the past three months I've had close to 60 sessions at Sharks. Of those 60 only two were EUR 100 for half hour and that was 2 too much as on hindsight I could have done without them. I had a few EUR 100 one hour sessions where I decided to increase the time during the session because of how enjoyable it was going. I avoid most of the Asian hunters and optics most of whom are mentioned by posters here on ISG.[/QUOTE]You avoid optics? But I go only for beauties and they are usually quite rare for me in any club, but can t desire if I don't find attractive with a bit of charm. Must be easier to find for you than for me at Sharks at the moment.

I have never ever paid 100 Euro for a 30 M session at Sharks or for that matter in any other FKK. If the price were to be at that level, DE ceases to be the primary sex tourist destination FOR ME. I will still continue to visit once in a while if I happened to be in the vicinity for other business, but I will probably direct most of my sex business towards girls in my homeland in that scenario. As a volume consumer who takes 25 or more rooms in a trip, the math will not add up for me at 100 e30 m, simple as that. Thankfully, I don't need to worry about this right now.

That said, I read exasperation in the tone of Craiova and not necessarily that he is strongly advocating prices to be doubled. There is exasperation that quality of sex has declined due to girls cutting corners and upselling and doing other things to make sessions less pleasurable, and he made the point that prices having been stagnant for a long time was one reason behind this. That is an argument made by dozens of others as well. Even on these pages I have seen many posters say they would be supportive of 10 E price increase, but of course for every such poster there is always another member who wants to be tough and declares that no price increase is ever necessary. I have no judgement on either type of poster, everyone is entitled to his opinion.

The other bigger frustration I read in Craiova's tone is the constant carping and complaining by members here about girls and up-selling. This incessant complaining grates on other readers' nerves sometimes. It is like death eaters sucking all fun out of life. Yes, there is upselling, there is other stuff, but it is a fact of life. If you travel to a third world country that has fantastic touristy sights but constantly complain that tap water is bad, what is the point? Just be a bit more careful, drink bottled water and get on with the program. But sometimes this upselling is made out to be so bad, it is as if guys are stepping into a minefield. It is still a fun club guys, with dozens of young naked cute chicks asking you to fuck them. In any other location in the world, it would be a dream. You even read this in the posts of first time visitors, in a tone full of trepidation, how scared they should be about visiting a club and how they can avoid bodily harm and mental maiming (from the upselling). Those poor chaps have been RTFFing for so long that they are psychologically damaged goods before ever having set foot in a club.

So, that is all I read in his post. Just irritation at so much time and focus on a minor annoyance which takes away from paying attention to all the good stuff FKKs have to offer. Let's face it, if things were that bad, all of us sex tourists would not be flying thousands of miles at great expense to be indulging in this hobby. We are already voting with our time and dollars. Why not present this in a more balanced light?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2342038]Craiova. If you want to pay 100 for 30 minutes then fine by me. I pay 50 for each 30 minutes, and so do loads of other guys, although as Delta says, this is not always very easy at Sharks. I am not sure why you tell such guys to abandon Germany.

Maybe I am fighting a losing battle, especially as I am told by a more experienced member than I, that prices worldwide are rising. And to be honest, in some countries I would be willing to pay way more than 100 for 30 minutes

I, like you, am surprised at the way quite a few girls now are really clueless about sex, even when they are trying hard[/QUOTE]100 for 30 is not fine for me that too when you are in ISG if a new comer gives it it is OK if you want to give have some extra included in it not all have the money. In fact few have to cater for flight and hotel also in the budget.

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2342169]I recognized the scream of the girl when it happened. It was in the early afternoon and not many people in the hall. According to a German guy it's Ayala (pale skin), the Russian girl. I remember that Anjelica was talking to her in Russian language. This German guy also confirmed that unfortunately the leg is broken as he was told later.[/QUOTE]Well, it was only a matter of time. I wonder if Health and Safety at Work will get involved? That's the last thing Sharks needs.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2342004]All this complains about "upselling" and pricing and this before the background there wasn't any price increase at german P6 service for at least the last 20 years. For instance P6 prices in Thailand are now at least 4 times higher compared with 20 years ago.

And it's funny almost all users here seems to forget that we had some mayor leagal changes excactly two years ago. Only this leagal change at July 1st 2017 should be reason enough to increase P6 prices.

Even with 100 Euro for 30 minutes German FKK clubs are still a very good option on world wide P6 scene.

So guys stop with this ridicules "upselling" complains und accept this or just go at other P6 countries.

I would be happy we had a general rule 100430 like it was 50430 around 10 years ago und I don't have to negoiate everything before and that I could find girls like 10 years ago instead of this Kindergarten girls nowadays haven't the slightest clue about good sex.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure there was 50/75 e in most NRW clubs 5 years ago.

I am pretty sure you had legal changes and not legal changes, but at a cost per girls point of view, the price is diminishing per session made. While the risk is for the guys, not the girls. And as seen in other countries, such risks normally lowers the prices, since less guys take the chance of P6 at all. In this situation, related to BBBJ.

Asian economies has been booming, mainly due to tourism. Local places in Asia is still dirt cheap. For the locals. But there is a double market. The general idea in western Europe is to not hold a double market. The double market in Asia made me stop going there. Racists.

Growth rates in Germany would suggest a price point at 60-65 euro now for the clubs that had 50 euro 15 years ago.

Nobody raises the price by 100% in one go. What happened to incremental increases? Every sane economist understands that there will be complaints if that happens. Doesn't matter the market, or any type of reasons made.

And lastly, why are you advocating for it?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2342213]I have never ever paid 100 Euro for a 30 M session at Sharks or for that matter in any other FKK. If the price were to be at that level, DE ceases to be the primary sex tourist destination FOR ME. I will still continue to visit once in a while if I happened to be in the vicinity for other business, but I will probably direct most of my sex business towards girls in my homeland in that scenario. As a volume consumer who takes 25 or more rooms in a trip, the math will not add up for me at 100 e30 m, simple as that. Thankfully, I don't need to worry about this right now.

That said, I read exasperation in the tone of Craiova and not necessarily that he is strongly advocating prices to be doubled. There is exasperation that quality of sex has declined due to girls cutting corners and upselling and doing other things to make sessions less pleasurable, and he made the point that prices having been stagnant for a long time was one reason behind this. That is an argument made by dozens of others as well. Even on these pages I have seen many posters say they would be supportive of 10 E price increase, but of course for every such poster there is always another member who wants to be tough and declares that no price increase is ever necessary. I have no judgement on either type of poster, everyone is entitled to his opinion.[/QUOTE]Sorry but can t agree with you, in the recent years the quality of the LU are deteriorating a lot, less new and fresh girls, lot of girls not in the job just hunting Asian guys for quick money, for me it is really difficult to find a girl at Shark or World always the same veteran girls around. I am not interested in Artemis type girls, may be all this can explain why we are complaining about up selling, we want to pay but for beauties young and fresh and not for over fucked prostitutes even they are only 25 YO.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2342004]All this complains about "upselling" and pricing
Even with 100 Euro for 30 minutes German FKK clubs are still a very good option on world wide P6 scene.

So guys stop with this ridicules "upselling" complains und accept this or just go at other P6 countries.

I would be happy we had a general rule 100430 [/QUOTE]Feeling some sympathy with the general point Craiova makes. That there is an awful lot of carping about prices and negotiation.

My 2 cents:

1. I would not agree that there should be an outright policy of 100/30 and I believe for many guys it would kill off FKKs and that is no good for any of us.

2. I totally agree with other who have posted that the simple strategy is to go for 100/60 with many you know who provide good service. If the girl refuses this even before you get to the room, that's crazy and discard her as many will accept. Think about this. For every guy thinking that he might want to only have 30 minutes, if you have to pay 100 for that you are as well to negotiate 100/60 anyway, pay the same price, and if the girl is poor in service accept that you can take your time pounding her for up to an hour if you want! I have not come across many girls who refuse 100/60. They are guaranteed you are paying 100 at least then and for them to "waste" 30 minutes is not at all bad. They are more than likely to be hanging around waiting in that time anyway and many will be confident of the punter not lasting the full hour anyway.

3. If you'the told me the first time I visited an FKK (Artemis for me) and was in the presence of over 100 naked women that I had to pay 100/30 or even 200/60 (120/30 240/60 at Artemis which is 10/30 more expensive) I'the have said it was a great deal. Not because that is cheap sex. It is not. But because the overall experience of many naked women sitting around waiting for you to have sex with is so terrific. It's better than Asia and the fish bowls. It's better than the clubs in Spain where you don't get to see what you are really buying before you get to the room (though I do love sexy dresses and lingerie!) and it's much better than USA or Dubai where prices are high and options low. Where else in the World do 100+ naked women congregate? FKK land is a paradise to any guy who loves this sport. So the prices are not so high and there are deals to be done.

4. It is positively dangerous for any guy to readily just accept its 200/60. It sets the benchmark. I agree that 100% price increase is just not acceptable anywhere.

5. It is often false economy to increase prices. I loved the old 50/30 then 25/30 deal at Samya. It died when Oceans opened. Guys love to feel they were getting a bargain. As a result, knowing I could get a girl in the room for an hour at 75 I'the regularly take two and sometimes three girls into the room for an hour. Then I've love it, end up buying us all drinks, extend for another hour and would come out having had a fabulous time but realising my 2 hours of "cheap fun" had just cost me 400-500 euros by the time the odd extra and drink was thrown in. So not so cheap at all!

I've found (even as an occasional tourist) that girls get to know if the punter is the quick 30 minutes, pay as little as possible punter (in which case they will hold out for 100/30) or if (like me) you are at least 1 hour if service is good, maybe more, and that as a result I have no problem at all getting very pretty girls to agree to 100/60 immediately. Result is that actually prices have not increased at all! I also find if you start off with 100/60 and say if it's excellent you may well extend to at least 90 minutes for 150 there don't haggle about the third 30 minutes being only 50, and there is no need to start negotiations on DFK, BBBJ and DATY. I just announce before I go up that "of course for 100 that includes. (all of the above) yes?" Girls do not refuse or try to upsell as they don't want to lose a punter looking at 100+ sessions.

So the carping is indeed not justified because with the right strategy there is no increase!

There are some girls who are charging 100 E for 30 M and some guys who are paying such price. I'm not one of them, so this comment I am writing is necessarily second hand knowledge. But even in those sessions, the upselling continues. Having secured a price which is exactly double the prevailing official rate that most other guys are paying to most other girls, the double priced girls still aggressive seek to sell other services such as anal, CIM, lesbian, threesome, and other.

So, if the idea behind the unilateral 100% price increase is that it will make the girls provide great service uniformly, I do not believe that will be case.

I find the current system just fine. There are some good girls who provide good service at the official price, some weak guys who pay excessive amounts, some Asian hunters who will try to overcharge and upselling aggressively, and so on. This is as a normal market should be. Men who want a good deal can still negotiate one for themselves. In the real world outside no one is watching out for you, and if you are foolish enough to be suckered there will be scammers who will oblige you. It is the same in the clubs.

Having said all that, it would be nice and helpful if people kept upselling complaints under control or at least balance it with positives they see. A five sentence review about a club, with 4 of them complaining how horrible is the club due to upselling and aggressive girls and some other bad thing about the club, with a snide concluding remark that they will never ever attend the club is hardly productive or helpful. Sometimes it appears that some of these guys have their own personal agenda to put specific clubs down and make up facts as they go.

Hi everyone,

I'm thinking about visiting a FKK club for the first time and it seems like Sharks is one of the better clubs to visit. I was wondering, what type of woman work at these clubs? I'm a big fan of enhanced blondes.

Thanks.