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[QUOTE=Vendelo;3047197]Where / how did you meet these three girls?

If you met them on Tinder, you should expect to have paid sex on the first date.

If by chance, she sleeps over and there is no sex, she will expect to get paid for her time. This has been my experience with young 20-year olds I met on Tinder. And I've been to Jakarta numerous times and have met innumerable Tinder girls.[/QUOTE]Hi Vendelo. At what point did these girls usually mention money? Still in the restaurant, at your place or in the morning? How much did they expect?

I had a couple of tinder dinners which led to nothing, mainly because I didn't find the girls attractive enough to make a move. But I would like to know what would have happened if I had make a move.

I actually don't mind at all having paid these dinners for the girls. I enjoyed their company and I was improving my Bahasa.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3047219]Hi Vendelo. At what point did these girls usually mention money? Still in the restaurant, at your place or in the morning? How much did they expect?

I had a couple of tinder dinners which led to nothing, mainly because I didn't find the girls attractive enough to make a move. But I would like to know what would have happened if I had make a move.

I actually don't mind at all having paid these dinners for the girls. I enjoyed their company and I was improving my Bahasa.[/QUOTE]I never bring up compensation especially on Tinder because I don't want Tinder to delete my account. I always move the conversation to WA. If the girl wants to meet, which they all do, 99% will ask me what hotel am I staying at. When they ask about my hotel, I now know it will be transactional.

Just about every girl will ask me how much I will pay. And that's when we start discussing compensation. Will she stay for ST, LT or overnight. And I never discuss what services she will provide. It is always everything. I'm old. Look 15+ years younger. But in excellent shape and handsome so I never have a problem.

So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]LOL, I always go right after opening time so as to avoid sloppy seconds, even if it means having far fewer girls to choose from. So the first thing you can do is to go late. This still does not guarantee your fetish will be fullfilled. I fear telling mama or the girl will only elicit bafflement and rejection. This is Asia, not Brazil or Europe. Girls in Asia are not sophisticated enough to go into such minority fetishes. I have one myself which would be dead easy for a girl to put into practice but I've given up pursuing it in Asia.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3047197]Where / how did you meet these three girls?

If you met them on Tinder, you should expect to have paid sex on the first date.

If by chance, she sleeps over and there is no sex, she will expect to get paid for her time. This has been my experience with young 20-year olds I met on Tinder. And I've been to Jakarta numerous times and have met innumerable Tinder girls.[/QUOTE]My quick answers:

1) I met these girls through Bumble, not Tinder. Through Tinder, almost all girls are sex workers or dating for benefits. They quickly ask "where do you stay" and they offer their services accordingly with the price. That's Tinder in Indonesia and I'm not confused about it. The girls I met where Bumble girls (I. E more decent, better looking and less transactional than Tinder).

2) I had a good, fun time with all of these girls, but didn't find them attractive enough to make a move. Also, I found them too 'decent' to be banged on the same day of meeting them. They were the type that you'd enjoy a few dates with (because they're good to talk to and not shallow) before having sex.

My question is that: is it customary for Bumble girls in Jakarta (and similarly decent and well educated girls) to expect sex + pampering (payment, gift. Etc) on the first date with a foreigner? Or is this only the case for Tinder sex workers / escorts?

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]Easy. Lets go together. You pay for my girl. I fill her up for you and then you take her next. We arrange with the Mama to take her 2 sessions back to back.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;3047087]Hello all,

I want to get this straight: for Indonesian ladies, is it a standard on that on the first or second date with a foreigner (tourist or otherwise), there is the expectation of sex?

Meaning, does the Indonesia lady expect that the foreigner will be having sex with her on the first or second date? Is that a common expectation?

It happened to me whereby on 3 dates, the following happened:

1) Date 1: Invited her in Jakarta for a decent fine dining dinner, we had a good time, then drinks and dance, but then SHE talked to me telling me that she wasn't ready for sex tonight, and that if I was planning to have sex, she apologizes. (I did not bring up the subject. She did. Out of the blue. And I wasn't planning to have sex with her).[/QUOTE]Indonesia is conservative Muslim country with some incredibly horny women. These women cannot express their sexuality with local men to protect their reputation. So, when a handsome foreigner comes through, treats them well and allows them to express their repressed sexuality they are truly wonderful in bed. I have had experiences with everything from married women in their 30's to 21 year old college students. The sex has been off the charts and many of these girls are kinky as shit too. This is by no means 100% of all the women out there but enough of these kinds exist.

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]Come with a group of friends or try to make friends with other clients. And ask them. Hey, if you pay for my session, I might even tip the girl so that she doesn't take a shower after our session. LOL.

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]Watch for girls that return from a session and book them ASAP.

Your fetish is absolutely disgusting but I have my own horrible fetishes.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3047270]Come with a group of friends or try to make friends with other clients. And ask them. Hey, if you pay for my session, I might even tip the girl so that she doesn't take a shower after our session. LOL.[/QUOTE]That's the thing I'm here solo if I had a group of friends I'the definitely do it LOL heck if anyone is in Jakarta and looking to help me out! Your session is on me! LOL but I read a recent post that mentioned waiting for guys to come back downstairs I guess from.

Where they go up to the rooms? And just picking that girl before she has the chance to wash up? Never been to classic so didn't know there was an upstairs from where the main floor is? But that sounds like a 50/50 shot?

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3047146]Yes, that makes perfect sense, I also choose hotel based on proximity to Classic and other places of action being in a short moto / scooter ride's distance.

I read in sevaral posts over here that Kelapa Gading is a rough / deserted / industrial neighborhood and transportation becomes scarce after dark, so I would also factor for shops, Indomarets, places of other interests nearby along with transportation availability at late hours.[/QUOTE]Gawd! OS loves how you lot all become instant experts on Indonesia based on what you pick up here.

Kelapa Gading is the culinary heart of Jakarta, it has three modern shopping centres open until 10 PM and is one of the more prestigious localities to live in Jakarta. It also has massage places, lots of and Sumo, Kings Cross and MTR II, then 3 km away you can slum it in the Koja bars.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3047219]Hi Vendelo. At what point did these girls usually mention money? Still in the restaurant, at your place or in the morning? How much did they expect?

I had a couple of tinder dinners which led to nothing, mainly because I didn't find the girls attractive enough to make a move. But I would like to know what would have happened if I had make a move.

I actually don't mind at all having paid these dinners for the girls. I enjoyed their company and I was improving my Bahasa.[/QUOTE]My experience is not at all like Vendelo's.

If a girl mentions money during online dating chat, I almost always next her, as I'm not using normal dating apps to meet hookers, so my experience are with girls who do not mention money beforehand.

All girls I've actually met in Jakarta via online dating have been purely non-transactional, most of them have asked what hotel I'm staying at, and most of them I've met at a coffee shop nearby, though some did come directly to the hotel (including the girl I liked the most and one of few I wanted to meet again). Most of them I fucked in my room afterwards, and no one ever asked for money, neither on first nor second date.

I suspect some guys here are turning normal, horny, "girls-just-want-to-have-fun"-girls into semi-hookers for no good reason. Few of us are so charming that we need to "pay the girl to leave", so there isn't even that silly excuse, and I've never had any problem worth mentioning in that regards (and you better believe I am one charming motherfucker ;-)).

My bet is if you had made the move, they'd joined you in your room, and depending on logistics with regards to their work next morning, either left in the night or very early in the morning without any further ado, just like any normal girl in the west. I always let them use my phone to book taxi for themselves when they leave, which they all seem to appreciate.

[QUOTE=Kctt1;3047152]Did you have sex on first day or second day or third day?

My experience is I feel the girls I met from Tinder just want a free meal at a luxury dining restaurant. They have excuse to go home after meeting at restaurant.[/QUOTE]So don't meet at fancy dining places. First date is always at some cheap place (coffee shop, swimming pool, walk in the park). This quickly filters out that type of girls.

Wining and dining is for later dates if it actually turns out we both like each others company and want to meet again.

Hey so I also had a question regarding pricing as I don't actually know the general cost can someone break it down so I'm not over paying and potentially messing up the economy.

Here for everyone else?

Some of the prices I was getting just seemed way over whack! Girls quoting me 1. 5-2 juta for the hour or two. And I'm pretty familiar with what locals earn here, and 2 million for an hour seems outrageous! I've done 99% of my mongering in Colombia and prices ranged from $6-$11 USD for absolute hotties I can't imagine in a country where the currency is weaker than the dollar the prepaid ladies market is more expensive.

For what it's worth the numbers I was quoted were from online ads from girls on massagerepublic.

I'm the type of person I don't need hour service or over night. I like quick visits, once I nut I want to get out and I want to move on to the next. 15-30 minutes absolute MAX is what I'm looking for.

Hey so I also had a question regarding pricing as I don't actually know the general cost can someone break it down so I'm not over paying and potentially messing up the economy.

Here for everyone else?

Some of the prices I was getting just seemed way over whack! Girls quoting me 1.5-2 juta for the hour or two. And I'm pretty familiar with what locals earn here, and 2 million for an hour seems outrageous! I've done 99% of my mongering in Colombia and prices ranged from $6-$11 USD for absolute hotties I can't imagine in a country where the currency is weaker than the dollar the prepaid ladies market is more expensive.

For what it's worth the numbers I was quoted were from online ads from girls on massagerepublic.

I'm the type of person I don't need hour service or over night. I like quick visits, once I nut I want to get out and I want to move on to the next. 15-30 minutes absolute MAX is what I'm looking for.

What are street girls going for?

What are parlor girls going for?

What are prepaid (online) girls going for?