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[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Mamba is a group of sites with the same programming and database. It is interesting how moderators work there.

Anyway, about our business, I contacted a lot of prostitutes but I am sure most of them are agencies. Therefore I am not very trustly about pictures.

In your experience, did you meet freebie or prostitutes?

And if you met prostitutes too, all pictures were genuine?

The most important question is about quality of sex: when prostitutes or agencies reply "yes, I make swallow blowjobs", this reply is reliable or it is just a lie to attract customers?[/QUOTE]If you are talking about Moscow, lately most of the pros I have been contacted by or contacted on Mamba are working in salons, at least all of the afforadably priced ones.

Whether or not they do swallow blowjobs is ultimately up to them, but generally most salons ask their girls to do CBJ, so I wouldn't count on the salon always having a girl who looks like the picture and also wouldn't count on them always telling the truth.

Best resource to check is [url]www.sextalk.ru[/url]

Of of dosug.nu, you can get in direct contact with the real girl (and pictures geneally real). Perhaps you can get a more accurate picture there.

In terms of freebies met on Mamba, I've NEVER met a girl who didn't look like her picture. Often they look better than their pictures.

For those of you (like me) who wonder about the possibilities for cheap sex in the most expensive city in the world, here is a humorous report from a Moderator on sextalk that pretty much sums up the situation at the bottom end of the market.

The author seems to be using ducks as a metaphor for working girls. MBR is local slang for BBBJ.

[i]Autumn... it's getting cold. It would seem the DUCKS should be migrating to warmer climates... On the contrary - with approach of cold, the DUCKS, in my opinion, only increase! At least on Kutuza!

Here's the thing... Until recently, Kutuza, despite the central location and abundance of cars costing in excess of $100K, remained the last outpost in the city where, without negotiation, you could get a BJ for 500r, but now, the situation is completely screwed up, practically everywhere they ask for 1,000[BJ] / 1,500[sex] and even (!!!!) 1,500/2,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But all is not so bad on the Main Line of Russia!

Not more than 2 hours ago (at 19:00 Moscow Time) I am driving home, and on crossing Kutuza and Old Rubleffki, at the flower stalls (where only a few days ago a new metro station has opened - "Slavic Parkway"), I see the working maiden in a suspiciously short skirt and high boots. I brake, roll down the window…

"You're hoping for a blow job?", she asks.

"How much?", I ask (already expecting to hear her say 1,000r and inhaling air into my lungs to yell at her, "GET OUT OF HERE!!! YOU!!! B!!!!".

"300", she replies.

"How much???", I ask.

"THREE HUNDRED", she answers.

"Get in!", I tell her.

Well, what to say about this maiden? About 30 years old, average height, reddish-brown hair, thick legs, big wide ass, tits - size 1.5, but excellent compared to the majority of DUCKS - they are fresh and do not sag. She calls herself Olga.

Location for the process - nearby, in the bushes at Old Rubleffki, near the garages. She doesn't take off her skirt and bare her ass. Worse than that, she doesn't even unbutton her bra and her tits (pleasant enough to the touch) I had to reach for in order to grope.

She has no condoms!!!!! She takes it into her mouth without a rubber, this is so MBR lovers can try playing Russian roulette. Naturally, she has no napkins. But this impression of the addict, which she already appears to be - is no less like the needy local resident who is earning, in a similar way, their meal.

She sucks mechanically, like a sewing machine, without any variety. She doesn't lick my balls, but she can suck for a long time - I'm pretty tired after work, and I am tormented for 20 minutes.

She says that she works this location "now and then, it depends". And so, with pleasure, leaves her phone number, and a message "want to relax? - call 15 minutes in advance, and I will meet you here." In this connection I publish her phone in the report.[/i]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Not more than 2 hours ago (at 19:00 Moscow Time) I am driving home, and on crossing Kutuza and Old Rubleffki, at the flower stalls (where only a few days ago a new metro station has opened - "Slavic Parkway"), I see the working maiden in a suspiciously short skirt and high boots. I brake, roll down the window…[/QUOTE]

LOL! Good find, Strav! I'd seen girls there many times before, but had just assumed they were waiting for someone (boyfriend maybe?) to pick them up. I (wrongly) figured it'd be way too central of a location for WGs to set up shop. Unlike the major shosses just outside MKAD where the tochki are obvious (and expected).

Hmm. Time to borrow my buddy's car and make a try for it? :)

Pizdyets,

You're on! I'll get her phone number. LOL

Thanks for reply!

This is a big enigma. Until one year ago, all Ukrainian and Russian road prostitutes in Italy had made swallow blowjobs on request, maybe they didn't made them with bad mood, but in general Ukrainian and Hungarian prostitutes mean swallow blowjobs for 20/30/50 euros. Therefore I thought "I shall go to Ukraine and Russia, the countries of masters in swallow blowjobs", instead. In Kiev it is very hard to find good sex providers. In Moscow I read more opportunities but I am afraid Russians lie much more than Ukrainians. In Kiev the first prostitute I met was also the better (she gave me more than I expected) and I remember her profile management in Internet was identical to Moscow profile management in Internet. Ukraine and Russia are border countries but their people seem to come from two different worlds!

Moreover, I had an experience with a hardcore Ukrainian young prostitute (but with some Russian/Siberian/Tartar blood), she started prostitution at 13 years old at salons in Kharkov and she was used to do EVERYTHING, also without condom. Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]If you are talking about Moscow, lately most of the pros I have been contacted by or contacted on Mamba are working in salons, at least all of the afforadably priced ones.

Whether or not they do swallow blowjobs is ultimately up to them, but generally most salons ask their girls to do CBJ, so I wouldn't count on the salon always having a girl who looks like the picture and also wouldn't count on them always telling the truth.

Best resource to check is [url]www.sextalk.ru[/url]

Of of dosug.nu, you can get in direct contact with the real girl (and pictures geneally real). Perhaps you can get a more accurate picture there.

In terms of freebies met on Mamba, I've NEVER met a girl who didn't look like her picture. Often they look better than their pictures.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high![/QUOTE]Seems to me protected sex is a reasonable precaution to keep oneself from dying a slow, withering death.

Just a thought. :)

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high![/QUOTE]Who knows, although I think that it is obvious that the rougher the ho is in terms of lifestyle (drugs, coercion etc.) the more likely it is she will voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and be forced to do it. In any case, in terms of vaginal sex I wouldn't take any chances.

Now BBBJ... that's hard to resist. Still wouldn't do it with a street ho that blows truckdrivers for 300 rubles though.

Generally speaking though, I think price levels are independent of protected vs. non-protected. By that logic, non-protected would be MORE expensive, as many mongers want it and are willing to pay it. In reality though, the more expensive pros are more likely to demand CBJ and certainly wish to avoid BB (bareback) sex.

Also, high traffic (salons, brothels etc.) seem to insist more on CBJ, at least at the mid to high level.

Street hos, no matter which country they are in, are the lowest end of the totem pole. They are, and I mean no offense to them directly especially considering the fact that many aren't working the streets voluntarily, the trash of the prostitution industry. I shudder to think about their lives, even though I have screwed a lot of tochka hos back in the day. I chose not to think too much about their lives, even though I did once have a semi-relationship with one for a short while. It proved to be impossible. Hope she is OK, but I am quite certain any innocence in her was robbed by the life she led.

BBBJ... interestingly enough, contrary to supposedly "lawless Russia", very high traffic brothels in hyper-regulated Germany (FKK) are virtually ALL with BBBJ as standard service, and some of the women there have been in the business for 10 years or more.

If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: [url]http://www.popline.org/docs/193315[/url] .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.

The statistics in Moscow are like Russian roulette with one bullet in the gun. The statistics in St. Petersburg are like playing with three bullets in a six-shooter.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Who knows, although I think that it is obvious that the rougher the ho is in terms of lifestyle (drugs, coercion etc.) the more likely it is she will voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and be forced to do it. In any case, in terms of vaginal sex I wouldn't take any chances.

Now BBBJ... that's hard to resist. Still wouldn't do it with a street ho that blows truckdrivers for 300 rubles though.

Generally speaking though, I think price levels are independent of protected vs. non-protected. By that logic, non-protected would be MORE expensive, as many mongers want it and are willing to pay it. In reality though, the more expensive pros are more likely to demand CBJ and certainly wish to avoid BB (bareback) sex.

Also, high traffic (salons, brothels etc.) seem to insist more on CBJ, at least at the mid to high level.

Street hos, no matter which country they are in, are the lowest end of the totem pole. They are, and I mean no offense to them directly especially considering the fact that many aren't working the streets voluntarily, the trash of the prostitution industry. I shudder to think about their lives, even though I have screwed a lot of tochka hos back in the day. I chose not to think too much about their lives, even though I did once have a semi-relationship with one for a short while. It proved to be impossible. Hope she is OK, but I am quite certain any innocence in her was robbed by the life she led.

BBBJ... interestingly enough, contrary to supposedly "lawless Russia", very high traffic brothels in hyper-regulated Germany (FKK) are virtually ALL with BBBJ as standard service, and some of the women there have been in the business for 10 years or more.[/QUOTE]

Doctor Skank,

It seems we had a similar life experience with a street walker, but our opinions are pretty different:

- Until one year ago, non-UE prostitutes could work on roads only, because an hypocritical Italian law leaves all prostitution to criminal organizations. Therefore street walkers in Italy were the only real choice. We could find any kind of girls, young or old, beautiful or ugly, lovely or unpolite, passioned or mechanical, vaginal fuck or extreme sex, cheap or expensive. About prices, prices are often connected to girl's mood and pimp's management. I can't explain everything here, but there is no direct connection between price and quality of sex: cheap price doesn't mean bad sex and expensive price doesn't mean good sex!

Moreover, the other prostitutes, working in flats, are almost all frauds because very expensive prices for unprofessional mechanical sex.

- Yes, I am afraid about the decision of my former friend to become an hardcore prostitute at 13 years old (this is horrible! ), but I see with my eyes, she has a dangerous work but she enjoys her adventurous life better than my regular life. Yes, she lives only for money and the good girl was dead 8 years ago:.(In my experience, there was no violence by pimps, there was girl' greed only!

[QUOTE=Shelbysbaker]If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: [url]http://www.popline.org/docs/193315[/url] .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.

The statistics in Moscow are like Russian roulette with one bullet in the gun. The statistics in St. Petersburg are like playing with three bullets in a six-shooter.[/QUOTE]Ouch, pretty scary stats even if I am not a firm believer in statistics, they do indicate a general trend. Nonetheless, why would anybody screw a street ho bareback in the first place? There is a degree of risk in any sex, but there are some risks just too extreme to be taken.

Even scarier than the prostitute statistic is the fact that official numbers put 10% of Russia's HIV positive in St.Petersburg.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Ouch, pretty scary stats even if I am not a firm believer in statistics, they do indicate a general trend. Nonetheless, why would anybody screw a street ho bareback in the first place? There is a degree of risk in any sex, but there are some risks just too extreme to be taken.

Even scarier than the prostitute statistic is the fact that official numbers put 10% of Russia's HIV positive in St.Petersburg.[/QUOTE]

Condoms occassionally break...

Definitely makes me think twice about hitting a tochka - [B]especially[/B] in Piter.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Definitely makes me think twice about hitting a tochka - [B]especially[/B] in Piter.[/QUOTE]

Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?

[QUOTE=Shelbysbaker]Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?[/QUOTE]

Hmm, from a quick scan on sextalk, it appears you're correct. Now I know why my colleagues in Piter always invited me to banya and not tochka! Not that tochkas are usually my cup of tea even in Moscow...

[QUOTE=Shelbysbaker]Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?[/QUOTE]Tochkas exist everywhere in some form AFAIK. In any case, it seems that local mamachkas can drum up a few girls to stand in line and choose from whether you are in Ryazan or Pskov. Finding these mamachkas is another challenge entirely, but that is another story.

Tochka is also a relative term, a bunch of girls lined up along side the highway giving blowjobs for $20 or quick sex in the car/truck for $70 aren't the same as Moscow's tochka girls whose prices can reach low end Night Flight level ($300-500) and are for the night. One man's tochka is another man's 3 girls standing infront of a Toyota Hiace at 2 am outside the train station in Novosibirsk. I also haven't tochka'ed in a long time, not because of risk per se but more because of cost. P4P is less and less a part of my mongering, especially in Moscow.

Risks? There is always risk in sex. The girl you pick up at Hot Dog or the freebie you pick up at Opera could also have AIDS, herpes, syphillis, gonorrhea. Broken condom can happen of course and has happened to me on a few occasions. I remember every incident vividly as they were dramatic in one way or another. I switched brands and hasn't happened since, but that is also another story.

I think as a monger/man-wh0re every individual has to judge risks for themselves.

Bareback sex with freebies/girlfriends?
Bareback sex with pros?
BBBJ with freebies/girlfriends?
BBBJ with pros?
Sex with multiple partners?

I've actually gotten more cautious with age, but anybody out there doing a lot of fucking puts himself in a higher risk category than those who are only occasionally having sex. I think that is fair to say and something mongers accept as part of the entertainment package.

All I can say about the subject is play as safe as you see fit and get yourself checked regularly.

[QUOTE=Shelbysbaker]If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: [url]http://www.popline.org/docs/193315[/url] .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.[/QUOTE]

So, Shelby, we should all insulate ourselves from this awsome risk by sticking to the online services that you recommend? Well... maybe. But, when I was a child out in hillbilly country, Denmark my old gran used to tell me:"Talk is cheap." I'm not tempted by this site Mixphoto and, frankly, I think it's a trap site to make foreigners overpay for what they could have had down on the next corner.