Jakarta

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3051671]I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.[/QUOTE]Don't compare Indonesia to Mexico this is complete non sense.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3051712] Giving 100 K to bait and switch is what keeps these crooks in business. I guarantee you no local dude will pay for that. [/QUOTE]100% right.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3051671]I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.[/QUOTE]100% agree, not sure what others are ranting about.

If you went through all my posts you will know that it was my first time dealing with MiChat channel, it is not like there is a written script of what to do and how much to pay in a situation like that, so I used what I felt right in the moment of truth aka an uncomfortable situation in this case, and reading your comments now has made me realize that the situation could have been handled better, sometimes you learn from other's mistakes and sometimes your own, first is being prepared and second is experience. Lesson learnt and I will be better prepared next time should I choose to engage in another experimental channel.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3051712] Anyway, I am amazed that people go all the way across the world to a place where you can walk into a Brothel and choose from hundreds of girls and still choose to deal with this shit. And yet it exists.[/QUOTE]I am not a big fan of the generation wars. And this post isn't meant to start one. But to help explain this. It has to be generational. A certain age group is so use to everything being online. That is what they know and are comfortable with, even given the risks. Those of us whose life experience spans both the online and physical worlds are perhaps in a better position to assess value/effort/time/money of all available options and make the best overall decision. I imagine those of us whose experience has mostly been in an online world tend to gravitate towards that option. If I had to guess, I would say the OP that started this discussion is almost certainly under 40 and quite possibly under 35.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051793]100% agree, not sure what others are ranting about.

If you went through all my posts you will know that it was my first time dealing with MiChat channel, it is not like there is a written script of what to do and how much to pay in a situation like that, so I used what I felt right in the moment of truth aka an uncomfortable situation in this case, and reading your comments now has made me realize that the situation could have been handled better, sometimes you learn from other's mistakes and sometimes your own, first is being prepared and second is experience. Lesson learnt and I will be better prepared next time should I choose to engage in another experimental channel.[/QUOTE]I was not replying to you.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;3051718]Don't compare Indonesia to Mexico this is complete non sense.[/QUOTE]Experience in various cultures is highly valuable.

Solid wisdom.

When in unfamiliar environment, trying to gain extra values above the norm will usually set yourself up for scams.

TGTBT deals usually require extra time and effort above mainstream practices and may bring security risks.

In Brazil hit the termas, Germany do the FKK, in Vienna try the globe, London try the escorts, tons of them and good. In Thailand swipe right or visit the bars, Singapore hit the Geylang or Hyatt bar, in Malaysia fly your babes to you, in Jakarta hit classic or emporium.

Every city is different for mongering and that makes it unique, if you wannna do online only why fly the miles and take the trouble. LOL.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3051656]In every geography there is a great way to meet and fuck girls. But they are different. Some are strip club format. Some are fishbowl. Some are one after the other cheek kiss and select. All countries have their own way.

My rule is to focus on what that country offers. And don't go do other stuff. Like Brazil offers nightclubs with fuck on site. Or massage daytime fuck on site. Pick one and do it. Don't do online escorts and stuff. Brasil is best for the nightclubs. Stick to that. London on the other hand the clubs bite. And the escort agency scene is spectacular. In London do the escort agencies.

And that brings me to Jakarta. My very strong advice having been is don't oppose the flow. The flow and best venues are Classic and similar clubs. Stick to what Jakarta for what is best at. Rather than online ordering and michat and bait and switch. Do Jakarta for what Jakarta does best. Like classic.[/QUOTE]

People like Mr Arnold don't ruin Jakarta. He is on the same learning curve that any genuine player must go on. The stand out feature of Mr Arnold is he is prepared to be vulnerable and admit those mistakes. Now I can bet that same vulnerability will endear him to the girls. Players like that are always welcome in the rat holes of Jakarta. OS has spent long enough lying around in them, chatting to the girls. To know what kind of customer they prefer. Mr Arnold is simply sharing his experience and it wasn't a cue for all that lurk around this forum to jump on him. Obviously they all became Jakarta experts without making any mistakes at all.

What does ruin Jakarta is all the Misogynistic he Man types who pop up here on a regular basis. "Kasar, Jahat, Pelit, Keras" All those words put the girls off Bules big time. OS calls them souffles for they rise up here, wreak havoc and then disappear never to be heard from again.

If there's one key message in al this, It's to stay away from Michat, your chances of a successful liaison are maybe one in ten. OS knows for he has been ripped off on Michat too many times. And has never ever found even one single diamond amongst the squalor. The deal will never be what you agreed on and especially if you go to the girls kos or hotel it can get tense getting out. Not for the faint hearted. But it's all experience.

The one place Michat can work is in rural Indonesia, lots of Janda's but even there your success rate might only get to 50% and be prepared to travel to some interesting locations.

For all others, the advice to do what Jakarta does well is the best advice you will hear here.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051534]Wise words and I can see some crucial learnings from your experiences. I am old school and still prefer the face to face approach of choosing a girl etc. But I can see the tide turning and more and more people opting for app or online based approaches, while most of the providers in this new space are trying to dupe you into paying high prices for getting much less than what you bargained for or worse. It is important to have a few safeguards of our own to avoid being conned.[/QUOTE]At least you dared to venture away from the well trodden meat markets and try something new (for you). Appreciate it takes significant effort to produce long form reports from a multi-day from various venues. Great reports and contributions.

Your experience with MiChat and Lokasari might not have been the best, but you would have been well served if you had read back in the forum. Werqweq had made a few reports showing how to avoid MiChat pitfalls and optimize pre-meet interaction for better results. And there are several reports how to get more out of Lokasari. Some things that might be taken as bugs are actually features IMHO. Keep exploring as there is so much more to Jakarta than going with the flow. Enjoy. AR.

Appreciate your comments and feedback.

I really tried to make the most of my trip by keeping focus on the well known offerings of Jakarta as a first priority and also broadening my experience with the experimental channels which was 1 or 2 days of my trip at most (so approx. 10-20%). Jakarta suits my style of mongering (despite me not being a bareback guy) and I have been happy to be here for both of my visits so far.

As a closing line I can say this with conviction that I loved the girls here and they loved me just as much and made me feel like a king for the short time that I was here (most important feeling of a mongering experience for me), so naturally I had the best mongering trip I have had till date where I got best of both worlds i.e. The long term time spent with the girls and the short times ofc.

Just to add, I had a fulfilling tour on non-mongering aspects as well like playing golf (with my holiday GF, and she also loved the scenary of a golf course, along with a going for a few shots which I encouraged her to take), playing bowling, pool with a long term girl by your side. I love to spend as much time as possible with a girl with the sexual and the non-sexual aspects but no place in the world will allow you to do it at the length that Jakarta does without breaking your wallet to smithereens, and to that end I thank both Jakarta and everyone here (for the knowledge, support and confidence that this forum provides to break new grounds)

Jakarta will be my first choice of mongering for a long time unless something changes significanttly.

Respect, Love and Peace to all!!

Yours Truly AN.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045589]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Imagine if you will, a scene where we the customers work as a unified group (or at least try to).

And try to advocate for the best interests of the group as a whole,(or at least try to).

When we see each other as competitors that benefits the providers more than anyone.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3047571]I'm sure some if not most of the chicks be muslims since this is Indonesia. Anybody tried asking them to wear a hijab while you pound them? That's the last thing on my bucket list. If I can bang me a real life muslim babe while she's wearing the hijab and nothing else, I'm all set. Mephistopheles can have my soul after that. But right now, that's my mission in life. An old man's got to have dreams.[/QUOTE]I was at my hotel desk one day and 2 girls we sitting there, I asked one for her Whatsapp number in case I needed anything because my room didn't have a phone.

She was unattractive (normal clothes), the other one was smoking hot around 20 yo pale white skin and a baby blue hijab and really nice clothes, once in the room I send a whatsapp.

And say can you ask your co-worker if she would like to have dinner with me sometime, give her my whatsapp number if she's interested, a few minutes later.

She sends me a message, I'm usually very forward but I'm being very reserved, well within a couple minutes she was asking me how much I would pay her to come to my room after her shift.

I didn't want to give a price, so she says 2 million, I say WTF, why so much she says I need to get my hair and nails done, I say why do your hair you wear a hijab.

She said she only wore it for work.

Guys have lots of kinky fetishes, I too am guilty as charged, but a scarf? You can do much better bro.

Yes after a round of fun its nice to go out drinking playing pool or simply unwind on a rooftop bar, the views can be breathtaking. Come back then and get another round of smashing sex. Yes girls are very open minded liberal and above all horny with a big appetite to fill.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3052167]I love to spend as much time as possible with a girl with the sexual and the non-sexual aspects but no place in the world will allow you to do it at the length that Jakarta does without breaking your wallet to smithereens, and to that end I thank both Jakarta and everyone here [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3052218]I was at my hotel desk one day and 2 girls we sitting there, I asked one for her Whatsapp number in case I needed anything because my room didn't have a phone.

She was unattractive (normal clothes), the other one was smoking hot around 20 yo pale white skin and a baby blue hijab and really nice clothes, once in the room I send a whatsapp.

And say can you ask your co-worker if she would like to have dinner with me sometime, give her my whatsapp number if she's interested, a few minutes later.

She sends me a message, I'm usually very forward but I'm being very reserved, well within a couple minutes she was asking me how much I would pay her to come to my room after her shift.

I didn't want to give a price, so she says 2 million, I say WTF, why so much she says I need to get my hair and nails done, I say why do your hair you wear a hijab..[/QUOTE]This is fantastic and opens up new possibilities. There are 3 girls at a popular hotel that I'd like to bang. I will execute your protocol!

I am curious, are you an older gent?