Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Moegy;2012810]Hey glad to see that LOS has still got its charm. My first visit was in 2014 and I met someone who I felt extremely head over heels for we texted, whatsapp, video called you name it.

Never did she once bring up money BTW. In fact I was so infatuated that I booked a trip before I was on the airplane heading back home a couple of months later. I even went as far as to consider dropping my then GF back home now wife for her. Then I spoke to a couple of people including some here on the forum and here are my findings and I hope they help:

Sorry for the long post but I hope it helps.[/QUOTE]Moegy,

I can totally relate, and appreciate your 5 bullet points. All I've been doing since I returned was looking for a return flight / recruiting friends to go back there with me this year. On the flight home, my best friend spent the whole flight telling me how reckless the thought of even considering anything long term was. To add a little, I never really justified my feelings beyond the sex so I shall do so now. Sure beauty played a part, but that is common. What I long for more is that personality, being fun / compatible and having a good outlook on life. From that perspective, she checked the boxes. Sure, it was 4 days and 5 years from now I'll probably look back at these posts and call myself a bloody idiot! She said she will take off whenever I come back, so we will see. Am I naive to think that she truly enjoyed my company and posing as my GF? Either way, it's all good, and I think if it came down to experiencing this or not, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.

May I ask how your similar conquest in 2014 stands with you today?

All the best.

TJM.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012851]Once you get a GF or a wife, the sex always drops off a lot.

The big advantage of a regular hooker is you get good sex when you expect it. With a long term GF you don't get sex when you expect it. Do you want the girl so much that lack of sex does not matter?

You judge girls by what they do and not what they say. It takes at least 2 years to start to know the real personality and longer if you are apart a lot. Bad things are well hidden at first.

"Fast proposer" That is real scary.

Worst thing to do is to acquire a GF too fast. Slow down before do crazy things. Give it lots of time to consider things more rationally. Hopefully some other guy will act too fast and save you from the wrong girl. Girls are looking for some nice guy to look after them.

If I never had any wives or GFs I would be a rich man and would have had a much better paid only sex life.

All girls that seemed fabulous at first seem not so wonderful a few years down the track. They get bored with us and we get bored with them.

Right now I like being a Thai girl's 2nd BF. 1st BF does not know about me. I don't have prime responsibility to look after her for the rest of time. Maybe we will be bored with each other in two years and it will die off. Enjoy it while it lasts.[/QUOTE]Syygies, spoken like a true veteran. I appreciate all the feedback from everyone in sharing their lessons learned in this matter. All excellent points. Here in the US, I'd never jump into something so quickly (the premature proposer was more of a joke with friends), and I just have to take a step back and follow my standard operating procedure. Good call, time is key in getting to know someone and 5 days is not very long. Time will tell, and I will keep the forum in the loop with any developments / updates.

Is there a crack down on sex industry?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2012956]Is there a crack down on sex industry?[/QUOTE]April Fool's Day is next week.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2012956]Is there a crack down on sex industry?[/QUOTE] Ever since the new government came to power, they have been trying to improve Thailand's worldwide image, since it achieves little else. Be seen to be trying to stamp out the most questionable aspects of the sex industry. Other countries with large numbers of hookers may not get the same publicity as Thailand, simply because they are less desirable as sex destinations.

Government tries to make police do the inspections and raids properly instead of just receiving bribes to turn a blind eye. Police visits to establishments to check have increased and may occur with no advance warning. Some places closed temporarily and some even permanently, e. G. The famous Nataree in Bangkok.

Officially massage shops and gogos, etc. Are not allowed to sell sex and complete nudity is not allowed. However realistically, the government focussed on stamping out "sex trafficking" and low age girls. So no Thai national girls are not permitted to work (in case they maybe trafficked in some way). Girls may have to cover up at work for special crackdown periods, when normally would be nude or close to it.

Some sex establishments have relatively few problems, due to close links with Police, which means they get advance warnings of Police visits. In the current day, it is far too risky for any establishment to keep girls not old enough.

Massage shops should not have any condoms. LOL Since it provides evidence that sex is going on.

Men expect to be able to get plentiful sex with the most beautiful young girls for free. Therefore selling it should be illegal. Sex toys should be illegal since helps women to get themselves off without using a man. Women don't want their husbands to be able to find out what good sex is like. Have them committed to the boredom and poor supply of only fucking one woman for ever.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012454]Said by an American newbie visiting Thailand. "I think I'm falling for this girl ".[/QUOTE]Would you fall for a hooker back home? Remember, you are the customer. Do you go head over heels for the waitress at your favorite restaurant because she gave you good service? Don't get confused when the service is in the sex/companionship department.

The relationships usually do not work out because the guy finally gets tired of sending money (usually after the first few months) and realizes he wants to fuck someone else. I don't know about traveling half way around the world mainly for 1 hooker, but to each his own. The beauty of Thailand and PI is the GFE. Had you given others the chance then I am sure you could have replicated the experience with no problem.

Bell Travel bus from the airport that drops you off at your hotel is 350. The regular bus is cheaper than that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2012960]Would you fall for a hooker back home?[/QUOTE]Hookers are real humans too, who may want to quit if they have a good option. Plenty of guys do end up marrying them. Doesn't mean it is best idea, but why not?

The big problem is thinking the apparent "love" is real, when it is only lust, sex or performing. I don't recommend acquiring a GF too quickly regardless of what they do. You don't know the personality. My 2nd worst ever choice of partners was my Farang ex wife. Difficult personality, communication problems. Worst GF was a Thai girl that turned out to be psycho will evil thoughts, where moved in with her too quick, before knew her personality. One other Thai longterm girlfriend (non hooker) was a very nice girl, but we were sexually incompatible and frequency was too low. Problems are not particularly related to whether the girl was ever a hooker or not.

Some guys are not aware their GF was once a hooker. I have heard this from some several girls keeping their previous hooker occupation secret from a boyfriend.

Does not make a lot of sense though, that guys who want to fuck around, would suddenly forget this, and think they could stick to one Thai hooker, and possibly support her, ending up making her far more expensive per fuck, than normal. What for? Guys sometimes fall into a relationship accidentally, failing to put the brakes on at a sensible time. I always say take a very long time to learn what the girl is really like deep down, and allow time for a more sensible change of mind. At first you never really know her, especially girls from another culture.

One buddy, was separated from his Farang wife of many years and getting divorced. Met his new Thai GF on first day in Thailand. The sex was phenomenal. LOL He was married to her and back in home country before long. She had a really evil mouth on her. I could not listen to her for long. Buddy did not understand her ugly Thai. He understood well enough in English. After she got permanent residence, she found a new younger man and took the buddies house, car etc. He was close to broke after two divorces. Came back to Thailand and Cambodia and within 4 weeks, had a new even younger Cambodian girlfriend (hooked on ice). Before long bought a house for her in Phnom Penh and got her pregnant. Have to be stunned how fast he operates. Jumping out of the kettle into the fire.

There are some damn nice girls in Thailand too. However take a lot of time. Compatibility is not an obvious thing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2012960]Would you fall for a hooker back home? The relationships usually do not work out because the guy finally gets tired of sending money (usually after the first few months) and realizes he wants to fuck someone else. I don't know about traveling half way around the world mainly for 1 hooker, but to each his own.[/QUOTE]Mr E,

You always talk sense and there are 2 key points. No, back home I would take the time with a hooker as money spent for the agreed upon time. Even though my experience here was much longer, it is still one in the same isn't it.

Man, traveling halfway around the world for one person, now that you put it that way. That does sound outlandish.

Soapie massage tax coming soon to Pattaya. 1000 baht per session.

I may just go for one tomorrow before the tax hits! Been about a year since I sessioned in a soapie.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2012985]Soapie massage tax coming soon to Pattaya. 1000 baht per session.

I may just go for one tomorrow before the tax hits! Been about a year since I sessioned in a soapie.[/QUOTE]Ha ha! Is this an April fools joke? You can't tax sex sessions that are officially not happening.

That is a good way to put them out of business quickly. Can Soapies magically change into Oilies? I like to go to an Oily with an optional sudsy Jacuzzi bath.

In old days some Soapies had a low up front fee to girl for an Ancient Healing Thai Massage, just happened to have a bath first, and then you slipped the girl cash for unofficial sex, e. G. 500 or so baht 25 years ago, or 1 K 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012958] Some places closed temporarily and some even permanently, e. G. The famous Nataree in Bangkok.
.[/QUOTE]Buddy of mine visited a week before they were closed down, told me they used to keep the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls hidden in a back area for those looking for that. He said when he visited the papasan had the young girls lined up outside along with the other girls. He even told my buddy 'that one is only 14' and my friend said as the guy pointed to the girl the girl got a terrified look on her face. He said it looked like they were just asking for trouble having the young girls right out in the open and sure enough they got closed down soon after.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012958]Some places closed temporarily and some even permanently, e. G. The famous Nataree in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]That place had seen better days and was a dump anyway. It needed to be closed for that reason alone if you ask me. Well, glad I got to experience it at least once!

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2012968]
Man, traveling halfway around the world for one person, now that you put it that way. That does sound outlandish.[/QUOTE]It does sound outlandish to me as well. That said, I will say this girl is in my head. Still no appeals for money, so that's good. However, I know there's no long play here. I'm back in BKK in may so I'll likely see her then, but don't plan on seeing her exclusively. And after that I won't be back again until September. I can't sustain a WhatsApp chat relationship that long.

What's silly is I've made 'connections' several times over the years with girls in Germany and other places, and miss them, but never connected on chat afterwards. I guess one end game is to turn off chat or mute her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2013004]Ha ha! Is this an April fools joke? You can't tax sex sessions that are officially not happening.[/QUOTE]We can only hope. From one of the Pattaya news sources.

"the ceiling excise tax rate for a cigarette is 5 baht, 3,000 baht for a litre of beer, 1,000 baht for one service at a massage parlour, 1,000 bath for a square metre of space in a nightclub and 20 baht per litre of carbonated soft drinks and 20 baht for a litre of diesel. " "will become enforceable in the next 180 days. ".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013208]We can only hope. From one of the Pattaya news sources.

"the ceiling excise tax rate for a cigarette is 5 baht, 3,000 baht for a litre of beer, 1,000 baht for one service at a massage parlour, 1,000 bath for a square metre of space in a nightclub and 20 baht per litre of carbonated soft drinks and 20 baht for a litre of diesel. " "will become enforceable in the next 180 days. ".[/QUOTE]3000 for litre of beer? Must be typo there. 30 Baht? Maybe they are pulling our legs?

Now you say 1k Tax for MPs, not specific to Soapies? Now it's a "ceiling" rate? What does that in practice mean? Is the actual proposed tax supposed to be a percentage of the fee up until some ceiling is reached? In some places a Massage may cost 400 Baht. No one is going to pay 1K tax on top of that.