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[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388346]Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.

A[/QUOTE]I think he means while AC (simply given the vast numbers of WGs) has a lot of hot girls, in relative terms the top echelon of WG talent in the Phils is far more likely to follow the big money and head for Manila, a city which has a variety of other issues far more complex than Bangkok

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1388359]Your mother would not want you to go to AC.[/QUOTE]LOL, too funny man. Simply being there is a 24/7 "walk of shame"

[QUOTE=Western787; 1388367]While I commend your quest, finding gorgeous, fresh faced, long leg, passionate, ultra young (18 to 23 year old) model types on (presumptively) a limited budget on a 10 to 14 day trip and in sufficient numbers to give you the "variety" you speak of, Pattaya and AC would not be the place to focus on anyways. Bangkok is the right city.

However, unless you're a younger version of Brad Pitt, its highly improbable, certainly not in the time frame you describe. But then again, no harm in trying.

Limited budget? Limited time? And want them literally gorgeous as well as young? You might try a more focused strategy. For example you could sort through the 1000's of soapie girls in your first 48 hours, making early afternoon visits, describing to the soapie pimps precisely what you want (possibly tipping at some point) , then returning later as the inventories expanded for the evening. That strategy should yield you at least 1 or 2 meeting your standards to spend time with on the 2 or so weeks you were in Bangkok, although provider peformance may or may not be that great, hard to tell.[/QUOTE]Hey W, you just jogged my memory. Is "A" the guy who came to the BKK forum a couple of weeks ago telling us he was travelling to BKK and he was looking exclusively for 18 to 23 year old model types. I remember now. When I suggested BKK Gold Escorts as well as La Belle and some G-Clubs, he responded that none of the Gold Escort girls fit his criteria? A, if you are this guy, then forget about AC. They have some pretty girls there, but you will be very unhappy there unless you adjust your sights. In fact, I predict you are going to be very unhappy no matter where you go unless you give up your fixations. 9* to 10*, 18 to 23 year old, model quality Thai girls are not going to be wasting their time on a 2 week cherry Farang who can't speak Thai unless he is Brad or knows some well-placed BKK people to introduce him and show him around. This trip is going to be a disaster unless you loosen up and go with the flow. First, forget the age thing. If not, you will rule out many fantastic girls 23 to 27 years old. Second, shoot for 7* sexy in Soapy massage parlors like La Belle and Go Go's like Baccara and Rainbow 4. The G-clubs are for more seasoned travelers. Third, after you loosen up and start getting a feel for things, hit the oily parlors and enjoy some PSE. Forth, head down to Pattaya and party. I really hope you have a great trip, A, but you got to get rid of a lot of this preconceived BS before that is going to happen. Don't say you were not warned.

Respective gentlemen!

First, I'd like to thank everyone here for input. Just to clarify 3 things: I am not ugly, I am not on a budget and I do like the very best in terms of talent / looks / attidute.

For that reason, semi-pros / FLs or, if time allows, non-pros are my preference anywhere I go, as with them one is more likely to achieve GFE experience. All that said, I'm not blessed with either patience or time and thus can't invest the time needed to cultivate non-pros (although I had some luck by preparing the ground via the internet way in advance). Consequently, I can't afford "fixating" (as one of you put it) only on model-quality.

All this results I always devise a two-prong strategy (that in my great number of trips proved effective) :

1. Prepare well in advance a good list of "regular" places to visit (I. E. Places where model-type beauty is unlikely to be found and *7 with good attitude is the best one can expect).

2. Prepare well in advance a list of places where semi-pros / FLs (on occasion non-pros) congregate and strike my luck there. This includes working the DIA / TLL and the like ahead of the visit.

Given that Phillipinas exhibit good GFE and speak English (based on some posts) and AC has quantities that can be perhaps translated into quality. I tend to choose AC or Manilla over Pattaya, as GFE / English is much more valuable to me than Pattaya, which I understand is similar to NEP, only in greater quantity and more relaxed setting.

In any case, I found your continued input very helpful to think things through. Thank you!

A

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1388235]I can't really speak to the West vs East issue and it's close to impossible to have numbers on how many girls are currently in the business vs previous years. There are just too many venues spread out over the whole country and marketed to different customers. Ie Farang, Thai, Arab and Japanese. My guess is that there are fewer but that is just based on the fact that Thailand has a fast growing middle class that you can see swarming into the upscale malls in their nice clothes and University outfits buying pricey sweets and eating at Sizzlers. Generally when this happens in society girls find other opportunities than sex for money. Ya, the money is probably still better doing sex for money but not by as much as it used to be. I know regular girls who are now making 15, 000 baht in normal jobs. True if you have a good month as a working girl you can make double this, but there is a price to pay and there is uncertainty and there is danger in this profession and there is a stigma attached to it. So girls have to weigh all this up.

The one thing though that I can attest to is that when I first came here back in the early 90's the Thai working girls who catered to Farangs came from all over Thailand. Girls from Chiang Mai, Suritani, Bangkok, Hat Yai and of course Issan. Now the girls we see in the gogos or the FL's have to be about 95% Issan. Why is that? Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). The topnotch ones seem to be in the highend Thai and Japanese bars. These are the light skinned girls. But never having been in any of these highend bars I can't say and of course beauty is all subjective.

There are just so many factors at work that I think decrease the number of girls and the quality of girls who are visible to us. Other than those already mentioned, many many girls are going out of country to work where they get paid much better (I currently know 2 girls in Switzerland, one in Bahrain and one in Hong Kong who had been part of my roster only a few months ago) , many girls are doing their marketing on the Internet as Independents or in Escorts and God knows how many girls are being sponsored and so are out of the scene at least till the money stops. Very little of this was going on 10 years ago. But the good news is that there are still thousands to choose from and though they may not all be beauties, they are still much better than most of us are or were getting back home![/QUOTE]Agree with you. It is a completely different ball game now. Thailand's economy is smoking, unemployment is low, and wages are up. The P4P scene is developing as it will in any country. No longer do gals with degrees and jobs need to work a little on the side to support themselves. Uni grads make a decent salary and competition for employees is fierce. P4P will becomes less stratified and we will be left with high dollar h*kers and low class h*s, just like we have in the West. Great for gals here but not so fun for the mongers. It has changed and will continue to. Another aspect is the continuing rise to power and prominence of the Thai female. Women outnumber me in Uni and are starting to become more powerful in the workforce. Many are choosing to stay a single "working woman" as opposed to marrying and "taking care of a man." The "feminist" movement will sweep Thailand far faster than it did the West. Hey, we have a female PM. I would not be surprised if this emerging feminism in Thailand did not lead to some major changes in the P4P industry. Can go either way. Legalization or a true crackdown. My bet would be on the latter. And again, sooner than we might think.

Except from the largly debate of G-clubs, elite escort agencies we have to also mention the larger nightclubs spred around the citie of BKK. And them catering for the normal farrang mongerer. As I have a few friends working in BKK I sometimes join them to normal venues where a rather successful crowd of BKK people gather up. Here you can find spinners making Lucy Thai (yes I know she is haiwaiian) look rather avarage, hehe.

If you look up my pics from my regular fleet of girls some are met at places like this. You will have a good cance running into beautiful 9-10 ladies, pale skinned and highly educated between 18. 25. But in places like this normal mechanisms will be your pnly chance. People here can afford their own expensive chamagne and trying to outdo them spendinwice will only make you look silly.

Out of respect I have hidden 2 absolute stunners (both thaichineese) from pics shared with you all. As these girl have high possitions even one beeing a pilot. She is 35yrs and have lived most of her life in the US so she can speak those R's. The other one is doing modeling and claims also to have played in some thaisoapes (not main part). So with a good portion of pure luck and decent behaviour everything is possible in amazing Thailand.

One thing I will state is that the upgrowing crowd of young thaipeople becomes more and more international. They speak fairly good english and belonging to the middle to highclass population they go away on holidays as us from norway do. But still they are horny and they all say that I treat them more nice than any thaiguy would.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1388350]Strange sort of sarcasm, you have.[/QUOTE]Hey, just trying to turn sweet a night that went somewhat sour. Taking it with a smile, eh?

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1388235]Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). .[/QUOTE]If we get the bottom of barrel, and the Arabs get beneath the barrel, I'm just wondering what does Mr Delhi and Mr Mumbai get. See more and more of them on every BKK visit, but rarely see them with ladies.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388346]Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.

A[/QUOTE]Again I have never been to AC so my opinion is only based on what many people have told me; some that hated AC others that ended up moving to AC. Did you ever make it to Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic? If so, it seems to be like that with no beach. In the middle of nowhere. Bad food, mediocre hotels and pretty much nothing to do except drink and have sex. Gogo's start at noon. That is what people do there. Go to gogos and drink. A squirmy little rundown place where you wonder if the guy drinking next to you is running from the law. So by "way down on the food chain" I mean that of all the millions of places to go in the world there is no reason to go there other than sex. Every foreigner you see is there for that reason and that reason only. There are no legitimate tourists like there are in Thailand. Now depending on what you are looking for and your frame of mind that can be heaven or hell. Now I have been to Manila a few times and I think Filipina girls can be great. You can find some truly beautiful girls there. But of course the drawback is that you are in Manila. The heart of darkness.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1388439]If we get the bottom of barrel, and the Arabs get beneath the barrel, I'm just wondering what does Mr Delhi and Mr Mumbai get. See more and more of them on every BKK visit, but rarely see them with ladies.[/QUOTE]Ladyboys. They just don't know it.

[quote=goatscrot;1388427]agree with you. it is a completely different ball game now. i would not be surprised if this emerging feminism in thailand did not lead to some major changes in the p4p industry. can go either way. legalization or a true crackdown. my bet would be on the latter. and again, sooner than we might think.[/quote]this is the big question isn't it? if it comes i don't think it will be due to feminism as much as to pure economics. there is obviously loads of money being made by the sex industry catering to farangs (i don't think the one catering to thai's will ever go away) but our sex trade is just so visible and looks so disreputable. that money goes into a lot of pockets from owners to girls to cops and probably much higher. but there is also much much more money being made through legitimate tourists who spend far more money per person than your average sex tourist. stay in the nicer hotels, eat in better restaurants, take trips etc. i don't know if these two strains of tourism can really co-exist forever. watching families walking down soi 4 is one of the oddest things ever and i think is one reason why the police have been cracking down so hard on street girls over the past couple of years. they are unsightly, they leave a bad impression on tourists, that's what they talk about when they go home. so these two different forces of making money are in conflict with one another and i expect some day. whether next week or in 20 years. that the economic forces of the legitimate tourism will slowly or maybe quickly force the sex industry out or make it much more discreet. goodbye gogos mainly and perhaps the ever expanding beer bar scene. you look around lower sukhumvit and you will see luxury hotels and condos being built by the handful. do you think these places want all this crap going on in their neighborhood? you see the same thing going on in pattaya.

i witnessed this on a smaller scale in boca chica in the dominican republic. back in the 1990's this tiny beachside town was overflowing with chicas; and guys from all over the world went there to sample the sun and the girls. but there were also a few all-inclusive hotels catering to charter flights from europe and these places did not even allow girls to be brought back. so these really were legit tourists with their families and girlfriends. over time these hotels that had the money and influence forced the govt to crack down on the girls and force them out. boca is now a shadow of a shadow of what it used to be.

the other factor is what you mention. thailand is changing faster than a speeding bullet socially and economically and the internet and other modes of communication are pushing that. all of these working girls are on facebook. it's really amazing. it allows thai's to see the rest of the world and also to see how the rest of the world views thailand. the snl skit sort of brought that to the forefront recently. it was embarrassing to the govt and to the thai's. this is how the world really views this country. for all that thailand has to offer and as far as they have come, most of the world still sees thailand as a hooker paradise. at what point do they have enough pride to say enough is enough. how long will it be before a politician sees an opportunity to win votes by promising a crusade to shut down the farang aspects of the sex industry. maybe never or as you say maybe much sooner.