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Reading current posts makes me inclined to eat rat poison. Things are better than ever as far as I'm concerned, more hot chicks than I can handle. In greater number, places, services and looks. Both in BKK and Pattaya. Screw Grace and the other places. That was yesterday. Gone like Wash Square. Forget the past and don't fear the future.
Second trip to BKK. 9 days this time, wanted to throw HK and macau into the mix:
Day 1: HK.
Day 2/3: macau.
Day 4-9: BKK, Pattaya.
Logistics: hk ferry from airport to macau, flight from macau to BKK, side trip to patts, flight from BKK back to hk.
HK: not really sure what to do or where to stay in Hk for one day. Got a good dim sum place referral from a friend. Other than that, looking to do some clubbing at night. The 141 scene sounds too low end for this trip. Hows the wan chai scene these days? Recent post from natty suggest that it has fallen off. Is k pressure or mount fuji closer to upscale?
Macau: pork chop bun and bungee jumping. Staying at sands, I'm assuming thats close to the action. Will definitely check out Rio, and then lower end darlings 1 or familia nobre? Anyone been to cubic?
BKK: stayed at omni tower last time, soi 4. Anyone staybeen at Asoke hotel??? Going all upscale this time. Long beach, poseidon, nicer gogos like rainbow 4 or baccara. Had fun at shock 35, will explore cm2. Anything else on par with these places?
Patts: good times at airport gogo and rasputin. A place called climax, that looked interesting. Anyone tried hollywood nightclub?
Hope to have some veteran advice on my ambitious plans, where I should cut out and what to keep.
Off the rtff some more.
Thanks brothers.
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[QUOTE=JesseJames;1388471]Reading current posts makes me inclined to eat rat poison. Things are better than ever as far as I'm concerned, more hot chicks than I can handle. In greater number, places, services and looks. Both in BKK and Pattaya. Screw Grace and the other places. That was yesterday. Gone like Wash Square. Forget the past and don't fear the future.[/QUOTE]Wow! I really don't see it that way. Can't comment on Patters, but BKK is a shadow of its former self.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1388438]No offense but I rarely hear thailnad mentioned when it comes to up and coming 3rd world countries. I hear vietnam mentioned but never Thailand. India with high poulation of engineers and of course China.[/QUOTE]Thailand is most certainly not a 3rd world country at the present. Last quarter GDP surged 18. 9%. The economy grew by 3. 6% last quarter. Foreign investment is pouring in. The place is absolutely booming and prices are increasing accordingly. There are over eighty thirty story plus buildings under construction at this time. Ritz Carlton is beginning the tallest building in Thailand and the Waldorf Astoria Thailand is about to break ground. So I would have a rethink about Thailand's position.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1388441]Fear not my friend. The policies the reds believe in will only ensure issan remain where it is, in the economic shithole it currently is and has been forever. Kiinda like the hope and change stuff the commie USA president believes in. Misery for all![/QUOTE]Have you been to Isaan lately? Do you have any idea what land prices are doing in Isaan? Skyrocketing. Have you seen the development in cities like Udon, KK, Ubon, etc? Isaan is not the poor backwater it was just two decades ago.
Commie president? Really? Obama is center right at best. We have not had a true left leaning president in the US since Roosevelt. Perhaps that is why it is such a mess.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1388441]Fear not my friend. The policies the reds believe in will only ensure issan remain where it is, in the economic shithole it currently is and has been forever. Kiinda like the hope and change stuff the commie USA president believes in. Misery for all![/QUOTE]Actually not at all. Isaan has prospered under TRT and Pua Thai. It is developing nicely and will continue to do so. In fact, contrary to what is left of the Dem party might tell you, Thailand has done very well economically under TRT and PT. Just take a look at the growth numbers under these admins.
[quote=drronin; 1388452]this is the big question isn't it? if it comes i don't think it will be due to feminism as much as to pure economics. there is obviously loads of money being made by the sex industry catering to farangs (i don't think the one catering to thai's will ever go away) but our sex trade is just so visible and looks so disreputable. that money goes into a lot of pockets from owners to girls to cops and probably much higher. but there is also much much more money being made through legitimate tourists who spend far more money per person than your average sex tourist. stay in the nicer hotels, eat in better restaurants, take trips etc. i don't know if these two strains of tourism can really co-exist forever. watching families walking down soi 4 is one of the oddest things ever and i think is one reason why the police have been cracking down so hard on street girls over the past couple of years. they are unsightly, they leave a bad impression on tourists, that's what they talk about when they go home. so these two different forces of making money are in conflict with one another and i expect some day. whether next week or in 20 years. that the economic forces of the legitimate tourism will slowly or maybe quickly force the sex industry out or make it much more discreet. goodbye gogos mainly and perhaps the ever expanding beer bar scene. you look around lower sukhumvit and you will see luxury hotels and condos being built by the handful. do you think these places want all this crap going on in their neighborhood? you see the same thing going on in pattaya.
i witnessed this on a smaller scale in boca chica in the dominican republic. back in the 1990's this tiny beachside town was overflowing with chicas; and guys from all over the world went there to sample the sun and the girls. but there were also a few all-inclusive hotels catering to charter flights from europe and these places did not even allow girls to be brought back. so these really were legit tourists with their families and girlfriends. over time these hotels that had the money and influence forced the govt to crack down on the girls and force them out. boca is now a shadow of a shadow of what it used to be.
the other factor is what you mention. thailand is changing faster than a speeding bullet socially and economically and the internet and other modes of communication are pushing that. all of these working girls are on facebook. it's really amazing. it allows thai's to see the rest of the world and also to see how the rest of the world views thailand. the snl skit sort of brought that to the forefront recently. it was embarrassing to the govt and to the thai's. this is how the world really views this country. for all that thailand has to offer and as far as they have come, most of the world still sees thailand as a hooker paradise. at what point do they have enough pride to say enough is enough. how long will it be before a politician sees an opportunity to win votes by promising a crusade to shut down the farang aspects of the sex industry. maybe never or as you say maybe much sooner.[/quote]really appreciate your insightful comments. yes, i think that it will come down to the fact that the open outward p4p scene cannot coexist with the mainstream industry forever. remember that certain mayor of manila who in one fail swoop closed much of the cities naughty entertainment? seoul did the same thing right before the olympics. it will happen here, it is just a matter of when. the farang scene first and then eventually some of the more outward aspects of the thai scene. social media has for sure given thais a window on the world they have never had, it has for all of us. and for sure at some point someone will "clean up this town." pattaya might be another matter though.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1388501]Really appreciate your insightful comments. Remember that certain mayor of Manila who in one fail swoop closed much of the cities naughty entertainment? Seoul did the same thing right before the Olympics. It will happen here, it is just a matter of when. .[/QUOTE]I agree DDRonin made good comments. And I share your feelings too. We should look at what is going to happen (and somehow something is already happening) in Rio and in Brazil in general with the upcoming Olympics. We already experienced action in China for the Olympics in Bejing and with the world trade fair in Shangai. Amsterdam RLD, though, became a tourist icon, with families visiting the alleys and look at the windows (with hookers in). Knowing how liberal the Dutch are I would not wonder if sooner or later they will fund a few girls or ladies to display in the windows as part of the tourist attractions. They are not shy as the Thais, tho'
[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388399]Respective gentlemen!
First, I'd like to thank everyone here for input. Just to clarify 3 things: I am not ugly, I am not on a budget and I do like the very best in terms of talent / looks / attidute.
For that reason, semi-pros / FLs or, if time allows, non-pros are my preference anywhere I go, as with them one is more likely to achieve GFE experience. All that said, I'm not blessed with either patience or time and thus can't invest the time needed to cultivate non-pros (although I had some luck by preparing the ground via the internet way in advance). Consequently, I can't afford "fixating" (as one of you put it) only on model-quality.
All this results I always devise a two-prong strategy (that in my great number of trips proved effective) :
1. Prepare well in advance a good list of "regular" places to visit (I. E. Places where model-type beauty is unlikely to be found and *7 with good attitude is the best one can expect).
2. Prepare well in advance a list of places where semi-pros / FLs (on occasion non-pros) congregate and strike my luck there. This includes working the DIA / TLL and the like ahead of the visit.
Given that Phillipinas exhibit good GFE and speak English (based on some posts) and AC has quantities that can be perhaps translated into quality. I tend to choose AC or Manilla over Pattaya, as GFE / English is much more valuable to me than Pattaya, which I understand is similar to NEP, only in greater quantity and more relaxed setting.
In any case, I found your continued input very helpful to think things through. Thank you!
A[/QUOTE]Aibolit,
Have you Googled any pictures of Angeles City, Pattaya, and Bangkok? General pics of each city / town and pics of the girls, would give you a feel for the type of girls you will see. AC is a hole in the wall, with several bars on a strip not much bigger than Soi Cowboy. It is a one trick pony. Each location has fans, but I suggest you use the eye test, and Google pics and Youtube videos of each. While I agree with Natty's overview, I believe how great each is will be in the eye of the beholder. AC was a fun experience the first time, but each following visit seemed less fun than the one before it. After a while, it became an after thought. I would say those that like AC will prefer Pattaya over BKK and visa versa. That is a generalization, and I know how dangerous generalizations are. Different strokes for different folks.
AT2
[quote=goatscrot;1388493]wow! i really don't see it that way. can't comment on patters, but bkk is a shadow of its former self.[/quote]ya its still very easy to have fun in bkk and anyone can still get laid 24/7 if they are not very discriminating or have a lot of money, but i think a lot of guys who come here for a week or two are not really in a position to see the forest for the trees. and guys will always say that some of us view bangkok thru the fog of time and there may be some truth to that, but bangkok used to be such an incredibly wild place. it was a river of girls flowing everywhere from all over thailand asking for money that felt like pocket change. it's still great and there is no place i would rather be, but it really is nothing compared to what it was even ten years ago in regards to girls. and i think the fear for some of us is that the trend will continue; fewer and less attractive girls, higher prices and a less service oriented attitude. this is what happens everywhere as countries go up the development and educational ladder and globalization / social media has just speeded this up. remember the old days when after you entered the room the girl would kneel down to take off your shoes or the price was always "up to you" and they sort of meant it. and long time and short time was a very squishy concept? i don't want to sound too nostalgic but when you get older it's hard not to be at times!
[quote=drronin;1388560]ya its still very easy to have fun in bkk and anyone can still get laid 24/7 if they are not very discriminating or have a lot of money, but i think a lot of guys who come here for a week or two are not really in a position to see the forest for the trees. and guys will always say that some of us view bangkok thru the fog of time and there may be some truth to that, but bangkok used to be such an incredibly wild place. it was a river of girls flowing everywhere from all over thailand asking for money that felt like pocket change. it's still great and there is no place i would rather be, but it really is nothing compared to what it was even ten years ago in regards to girls. and i think the fear for some of us is that the trend will continue; fewer and less attractive girls, higher prices and a less service oriented attitude. this is what happens everywhere as countries go up the development and educational ladder and globalization / social media has just speeded this up. remember the old days when after you entered the room the girl would kneel down to take off your shoes or the price was always "up to you" and they sort of meant it. and long time and short time was a very squishy concept? i don't want to sound too nostalgic but when you get older it's hard not to be at times![/quote]again, so well stated. bkk has lost its edge, and that is what was so attractive about it not too long ago. it is safe now. there is mall upon mall, upscale this, and trendy that, all of which really did not exist a short decade ago. a river of girls is a good analogy. just a few short years ago you could not walk 50 mts down suk in the evening without finding a very cute gal. now it is a real nasty demographic that hangs there. guess the lookers go to late night discos (no thanks, never could stand bad dance or cover music) or work in gogos and get 2k up for a 10 min st. gals assumed and wanted to stay with dudes long time and they loved finding boyfriends, who would take care of them. now most really don't want boyfriends, because an attractive gal can make in excess of 100k month, which for thailand is still stratosphere money. most mbas with 5 yrs experience don't come near that. and yet it amazes me how guys are willing to give these gals 30k up a month, and some don't even live here. no wonder the gals are spoiled and don't give good service. yep, them days is over. glad i got to enjoy them. i still love living in bkk, but it is not really for the gals now, although it is a joy to walk through a mall and see all the lookers, but for the food and the friends that i have.
I agree to a point. Things have changed and as you said 'wall to wall' malls with glitz and glamour. But yet, when I sit at my favorite street bar in front of Robinson's at Soi 17 / Suk I can not help admire some of the quality that walks bye. Sure a lot of not so hot ladies but there are many that are outstanding. Than again this will fall into the 'what one person things is outstanding another might not'.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1388611]SNIPPED . Just a few short years ago you could not walk 50 mts down Suk in the evening without finding a very cute gal. Now it is a real nasty demographic that hangs there. SNIPPED .[/QUOTE]