Jakarta

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3062311]Let me preface by saying that I believe men are just as free to use "my body, my choice". "Go for it" if it suits you. However, consider the purpose and outcomes you expect. If you think that getting a vasectomy will unlock easy access to BBFSCIP with working girls in SEA, think again. Why? This expectation might not work in places like Thailand and Indonesia for a couple of reasons. One, if the girl is uneducated, she won't have a clue what you are showing her on your translation app. In places like Indonesia the prevalence of vasectomy is miniscule and it will be a slog to try and explain to the girl. Two, if the girl is "educated", she may think you are fibbing just to blow your load inside (see above Werqweq). Either way, both types may have misconceptions about how vasectomy works and freak out when you ejaculate your semem-sans-sperm. Expect they will check their pussy after you ejaculate and since "something came out", you will possibly be accused of lying. Try to explain that situation anatomically to a flustered working girl.
[/QUOTE]Agreed. One reasonably intelligent non-p4p girl I met in Jakarta a few times, and who I guess was at least somewhat educated (english speaking, working in a company that, if nothing else, paid for her to go to Korea on company trips on more than occasion), was surprised when I one night did a CIM finish instead of CIP, mumbling something about what about the surgery I had told her about before. I guess she was expecting just air to come out.
Can't blame her, as I myself didn't know anything about it before either, until I started thinking about getting one, and read up on about what it entails.

For those of us who don't want to worry about impregnating every girl we put our dick in, a vasectomy is a great peace of mind though. You never know how a random girl you just pay for sex will feel about taking some pill your are giving her afterwards - there are crazys out there - plus the efficacy of the morning pill is not as good as other contraceptives. Some people don't care or worry about that - "not my problem" - but for those who do, it's very liberating to never ever having to worry about this again.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062346]Agreed. One reasonably intelligent non-p4p girl I met in Jakarta a few times, and who I guess was at least somewhat educated (english speaking, working in a company that, if nothing else, paid for her to go to Korea on company trips on more than occasion), was surprised when I one night did a CIM finish instead of CIP, mumbling something about what about the surgery I had told her about before. I guess she was expecting just air to come out.
Can't blame her, as I myself didn't know anything about it before either, until I started thinking about getting one, and read up on about what it entails.

For those of us who don't want to worry about impregnating every girl we put our dick in, a vasectomy is a great peace of mind though. You never know how a random girl you just pay for sex will feel about taking some pill your are giving her afterwards - there are crazys out there - plus the efficacy of the morning pill is not as good as other contraceptives. Some people don't care or worry about that - "not my problem" - but for those who do, it's very liberating to never ever having to worry about this again.[/QUOTE]You can't expect young Indonesian women to know about vasectomies anymore than an average dude in America or Europe understands how IUDs work. I personally do plenty of CIP and have intact balls. Is it irresponsible? Maybe to some extent but I do know that I will never know the end results, especially with short time hookers. With the non P4P women I ask if they are on BC. Some agree to start the pill before my trip. Others say they will use the morning after. And some are already on it. But all of them don't want to be pregnant and will do something to prevent it. I do think many girls in Classic etc are on some form of long term contraception. Its just basic business sense. The people who run them don't want to lose their source of income.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3062112]I'm not the biggest fan of travel Hotel, but went there anyway a few days ago with another ISG member while we were checking out the rest of the area. The back room was packed with girls. I've never seen so many girls on this place. Probably more than in classic. I didn't pick a girl so I can't say anything about the service. But I think the sheer number of girls makes a visit worthwhile.[/QUOTE]When I first visited Travel, there were at least 80 girls, around eight groups of ten or more girls packed into an area about half the size of T2 section in Classic. This is despite it being the middle of Ramadan. There is no shortage of girls or even quality of looks; it's just that most girls weren't open to DFK which is my thing, but if you aren't keen about this, it's definitely worthwhile to visit given that the cost is more or less than the same as in Classic for one and two girls.

[QUOTE=XXL;3062158]Best non-sex massage I had in Asia was at Halomas Aloha (near Lokasari). Massage cost 120 k for 90 minutes. Those guys made my spine click into place at 3 different places! It's a dump, a bit of a shambles, dimly-lit, feels like an opium den. Easy-going atmosphere though, grows on you after a few visits. Masseurs not masseuses. The massages I'm used to in Pattaya are a joke in comparison.[/QUOTE]Agreed. There are quite a few Reflexies in and around Lokasari square that offer just good massage at cheap prices, Angelina, Rasa, Jin Mei Chi, even the nail / hair salon places.

Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?

I have only been mongering for 3 years. My comparison size is fairly small (only repeat trips to Thailand and Panama). I had Jakarta on my last itinerary (Feb-Mar 2026) but I ended up having so much action in Thailand, I canceled my entire Jakarta stop. While I did enjoy the look and feel of Colombianas during my Panama trip, I only got good GFE on repeat visits. I give the Colombians from Panama a 6. 5/10 for enthusiastic GFE.

Thailand's GFE has been otherwordly every single trip. Definitely 9/10 from a GFE perspective. Hell the GFE is so convincing, if you are not careful the fantasy blends with reality. My next trip is June 2026. I am committed to hit Jakarta first this time so I can at least increase my GFE sample size. For some context, while I have dabbled in bottom dollar street meat, cum stained mattresses, and spots with zero washroom and 100% cold transactional. My preference shades more to high-end luxury and GFE types of experiences.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?[/QUOTE]In Brazil you can get top quality GFE and PSE sessions. I like the German FKK scene too, but GFE is more hit and miss there. I'm mostly a PSE guy anyway so. But, I know GFE is good in Brazil too with some solid high-end / luxury spots in Sao Paulo (Scandallo is my number 1 luxe puta palace in the world). RTFF in the appropriate threads, including the RODs, for details.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?

I have only been mongering for 3 years. My comparison size is fairly small (only repeat trips to Thailand and Panama). I had Jakarta on my last itinerary (Feb-Mar 2026) but I ended up having so much action in Thailand, I canceled my entire Jakarta stop. While I did enjoy the look and feel of Colombianas during my Panama trip, I only got good GFE on repeat visits. I give the Colombians from Panama a 6. 5/10 for enthusiastic GFE.

Thailand's GFE has been otherwordly every single trip. Definitely 9/10 from a GFE perspective. Hell the GFE is so convincing, if you are not careful the fantasy blends with reality. My next trip is June 2026. I am committed to hit Jakarta first this time so I can at least increase my GFE sample size. For some context, while I have dabbled in bottom dollar street meat, cum stained mattresses, and spots with zero washroom and 100% cold transactional. My preference shades more to high-end luxury and GFE types of experiences.[/QUOTE]The last two years I made trips to Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia. This summer I'm returning to Indonesia and skipping Thailand for Japan. Only reason why I'm coming back to Indonesia is to scuba dive Komodo but will make stops in Bali since it's so close by and back to Jakarta because the mongering at Classic and Travel is the best deal in SE Asia. GFE was mixed the last time I was here so I wouldn't come back here specifically to monger but since I'm here anyway to dive, I might as well and do it cheap.

I also hit Latin America and have stayed in Panama twice but will not return since I've got more selection and better prices for chicas in their home country in Colombia. GFE like you said, is mixed there too. But I just came back from my first trip to Brazil and all girls I met there were GFE so based on my experience, Brazil would be the tops for GFE.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3062447]You can't expect young Indonesian women to know about vasectomies anymore than an average dude in America or Europe understands how IUDs work. I personally do plenty of CIP and have intact balls. Is it irresponsible? Maybe to some extent but I do know that I will never know the end results, especially with short time hookers. With the non P4P women I ask if they are on BC. Some agree to start the pill before my trip. Others say they will use the morning after. And some are already on it. But all of them don't want to be pregnant and will do something to prevent it. I do think many girls in Classic etc are on some form of long term contraception. Its just basic business sense. The people who run them don't want to lose their source of income.[/QUOTE]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]If prostitutes are providing bareback cum-in-pussy as a service, is it not their responsibility to price appropriately to cover the cost of birth control? How can the customer be held liable for the risks that the provider undertakes for profit?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]Let's not forget the side effects of Indonesian birth control: weigh gain and acne. Girls would be aware of the negative effects on business of both.

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[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]In my defense though, I always respect the come outside request. If the girl is okay with CIP then I go ahead and do it. Also lecturing morality on a hooker board is a bit ironic is it not? I don't ever coerce or trick a woman into doing something she doesn't want to. I tip generously. That keeps my conscience clear. You do you.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3062447]But all of them don't want to be pregnant and will do something to prevent it. I do think many girls in Classic etc are on some form of long term contraception. It’s just basic business sense. The people who run them don't want to lose their source of income.[/QUOTE]What would be the business sense of lying about contraception? Why would a girl use contraception and deny it when asked about it? If the girl doesn't allow CIP although she's on contraception she will get less tip from the customer.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]The monthly injection is only 100 k. Even for them cost should not be an issue.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?

I have only been mongering for 3 years. My comparison size is fairly small (only repeat trips to Thailand and Panama). I had Jakarta on my last itinerary (Feb-Mar 2026) but I ended up having so much action in Thailand, I canceled my entire Jakarta stop. While I did enjoy the look and feel of Colombianas during my Panama trip, I only got good GFE on repeat visits. I give the Colombians from Panama a 6. 5/10 for enthusiastic GFE.

Thailand's GFE has been otherwordly every single trip. Definitely 9/10 from a GFE perspective. Hell the GFE is so convincing, if you are not careful the fantasy blends with reality. My next trip is June 2026. I am committed to hit Jakarta first this time so I can at least increase my GFE sample size. For some context, while I have dabbled in bottom dollar street meat, cum stained mattresses, and spots with zero washroom and 100% cold transactional. My preference shades more to high-end luxury and GFE types of experiences.[/QUOTE]Based on what you say, I'd stay in Thailand, unless it's mainly to experience something different, which you may or may not like. P4P GFE in Jakarta is a couple of notches below what you get in Thailand on average, though prices are also lower.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3062597]In Brazil you can get top quality GFE and PSE sessions. I like the German FKK scene too, but GFE is more hit and miss there. I'm mostly a PSE guy anyway so. But, I know GFE is good in Brazil too with some solid high-end / luxury spots in Sao Paulo (Scandallo is my number 1 luxe puta palace in the world). RTFF in the appropriate threads, including the RODs, for details.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the expert feedback. PSE is on another level that I have not even considered. Sounds very interesting. Might have to give that a try so I can compare it to GFE. Brazil has always been on my tier 2 list to give a try. Really the only thing stopping me is my slight aversion to high crime localities. This is like the 3rd or 4th time, Brazil and in particular Scandallo has come up in conversations. Guess that means the universe is on my ass to give it a shot.

I am kicking myself for not partaking in Germany. I lived there for 5 years in my early 30's. Mongering was not even on my radar. I had a close buddy that took me to a multiple story brothel close to Frankfurt. He gave me zero warning just "let's go by this place real quick". I was freaked out and also intrigued. We wondered around until he found a lady of his choosing and they disappeared for 40 minutes. I roamed around and soaked it all in. The seed was planted but it took another 10 years before I dove in for myself.