Bangkok Reports

Having recently decided to venture into BB sex in my own country, it was a main aim of mine to see what Bangkok had to offer, if anything. Some feedback on the net suggested it was easy to obtain. My own previous experiences included two instances that indicated this was a possibility, both in BKK. The first time I forgot to put the cover on and was already inside her when she said something like "You don wan cond?" The second time a stunner was on top of me and I was asking for a genital to genital massage for 5K for an hour. She didn't understand and asked if I wanted it inside her, seemingly ready and willing to put it there.

Since I've been here in BKK this time I've entered 7 ladies BB. For those wondering how easy or hard it is to get BB sex in Thailand, I'd have to say that IME perhaps 50% of P4P SWTGs are willing, although one will probably have to offer something extra, either Baht and / or other incentives. 1000 Baht ST just won't cut it, unless perhaps it's in an area like Chinatown, or the girl is sick or unusually desperate or ugly.

1st days in BKK.

Landed on Friday around 6 in evening. Reached Grand President Hotel around soi 11 around 8. Bought some water and condoms from 7/11 and relaxed in room till 11.

I was not in hurry to pic some one so decided to hit bedsuper club. The place was full of tourists and few but hot working girls. I simply love the music and atmosphere of that place. While I was busy drinking my beer I noticed one blond female pointing her finger toward me at saying something to her friend. I just asked her why you pointing toward me. She asked me are you Hindu? I replied yes I am. And the conversation started she was from London. While we were talking her came from no where and pulled her to dance with her. And she was lost in the crowd. I had few more drink and then decided to leave and check the Q bar. While I was getting out it suddenly started raining heavily so I decided to wait under a shade until rain slow down. To my surprise both the girls were standing there and her friend was totally drunk she was even not able to stand. I just asked her where they going and what happen to her friend she replied that they are going back to there hotel cause her friend is to drunk. She was literally falling. Out of courtesy I just asked her she need some help because she was not able to hold her dunked friend. Her answer was yes she want me to drop her friend to hotel. I was all ready to help. Stopped the taxi and took hold of her friend and pushed her inside the taxi then she followed I sat in front but she insisted that I sit at back along with her. But her friend need to lie down on back seat that's why I sat in front.

To my surprise she asked me do I have a condom and I said no I don't. She told the taxi driver to stop at 7 eleven and told me to get the packet of condom and I obliged her by doing so.

Well we reached the hotel it as suite room I just helped her friend to the bedroom. After that we kissed and then hot and steamy sex followed on the couch. Man she was smoking hot perfect figure. We did it on couch we did on floor we did it on table. We did it every where.

To my surprise she thanked me for making her cum. And we slept on couch hugging each other.

For me it was treat cause I am not good at approaching female at bars or disco more over it was free. For me it was second time In Bangkok I got picked up instead of I picking up some one. Lols.

And sorry for my English I am not good in it. But I tried my best.

Very good FF!

You have seen some of the true Thai welcoming. Something similar I only had in Manaus, Brazil and needed a driver intermediary!

Here in Phuket when taking a girl from the disco I'm asked "But, will you give me money"? I'm starting to think that the right answer is. No.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1153725]Having recently decided to venture into BB sex in my own country, it was a main aim of mine to see what Bangkok had to offer, if anything. Some feedback on the net suggested it was easy to obtain. My own previous experiences included two instances that indicated this was a possibility, both in BKK. The first time I forgot to put the cover on and was already inside her when she said something like "You don wan cond?" The second time a stunner was on top of me and I was asking for a genital to genital massage for 5K for an hour. She didn't understand and asked if I wanted it inside her, seemingly ready and willing to put it there.

Since I've been here in BKK this time I've entered 7 ladies BB. For those wondering how easy or hard it is to get BB sex in Thailand, I'd have to say that IME perhaps 50% of P4P SWTGs are willing, although one will probably have to offer something extra, either Baht and / or other incentives. 1000 Baht ST just won't cut it, unless perhaps it's in an area like Chinatown, or the girl is sick or unusually desperate or ugly. [/QUOTE]Hey thanks for spreading HIV

[QUOTE=Evianist;1153916]Hey thanks for spreading HIV[/QUOTE]Can this be the same PinkPearl who just got banned from the other forum? Or a different PinkPearl with an equally stupid mindset?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1153725]Having recently decided to venture into BB sex in my own country, it was a main aim of mine to see what Bangkok had to offer, if anything. Some feedback on the net suggested it was easy to obtain. My own previous experiences included two instances that indicated this was a possibility, both in BKK. The first time I forgot to put the cover on and was already inside her when she said something like "You don wan cond?" The second time a stunner was on top of me and I was asking for a genital to genital massage for 5K for an hour. She didn't understand and asked if I wanted it inside her, seemingly ready and willing to put it there.

Since I've been here in BKK this time I've entered 7 ladies BB. For those wondering how easy or hard it is to get BB sex in Thailand, I'd have to say that IME perhaps 50% of P4P SWTGs are willing, although one will probably have to offer something extra, either Baht and / or other incentives. 1000 Baht ST just won't cut it, unless perhaps it's in an area like Chinatown, or the girl is sick or unusually desperate or ugly. [/QUOTE]I have had BB sex with a few sex workers in this country; honestly I would never do it again since I had an HIV scare a few years ago. Was almost sure that I had it but then turned out to be negative. It always surprises me how easy it is to get Thai girls to have BB sex. Even in the go-gos, girls have offered it to me. Stickman claims that he knows of a few HIV+ bargirls working in Nana and Cowboy however he won't name the bars. But the working girls aren't nearly as easy for BB sex as the regular Thai girls I've met on dating sites. The girls on TLL were almost always up for BB sex and often told me that I could cum deep inside their pussies. Forget it. Not worth the risk. Just shows you how uneducated these girls are about STDs. For me, I always cover up.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1153747]1st days in BKK.

Landed on Friday around 6 in evening. Reached Grand President Hotel around soi 11 around 8. Bought some water and condoms from 7/11 and relaxed in room till 11.

I was not in hurry to pic some one so decided to hit bedsuper club. The place was full of tourists and few but hot working girls. I simply love the music and atmosphere of that place. While I was busy drinking my beer I noticed one blond female pointing her finger toward me at saying something to her friend. I just asked her why you pointing toward me. She asked me are you Hindu? I replied yes I am. And the conversation started she was from London. While we were talking her came from no where and pulled her to dance with her. And she was lost in the crowd. I had few more drink and then decided to leave and check the Q bar. While I was getting out it suddenly started raining heavily so I decided to wait under a shade until rain slow down. To my surprise both the girls were standing there and her friend was totally drunk she was even not able to stand. I just asked her where they going and what happen to her friend she replied that they are going back to there hotel cause her friend is to drunk. She was literally falling. Out of courtesy I just asked her she need some help because she was not able to hold her dunked friend. Her answer was yes she want me to drop her friend to hotel. I was all ready to help. Stopped the taxi and took hold of her friend and pushed her inside the taxi then she followed I sat in front but she insisted that I sit at back along with her. But her friend need to lie down on back seat that's why I sat in front.

To my surprise she asked me do I have a condom and I said no I don't. She told the taxi driver to stop at 7 eleven and told me to get the packet of condom and I obliged her by doing so.

Well we reached the hotel it as suite room I just helped her friend to the bedroom. After that we kissed and then hot and steamy sex followed on the couch. Man she was smoking hot perfect figure. We did it on couch we did on floor we did it on table. We did it every where.

To my surprise she thanked me for making her cum. And we slept on couch hugging each other.

For me it was treat cause I am not good at approaching female at bars or disco more over it was free. For me it was second time In Bangkok I got picked up instead of I picking up some one. Lols.

And sorry for my English I am not good in it. But I tried my best. [/QUOTE]Good job and Thanks!

[quote=sir van koff; 1153098]that night i hit cm2 for some white punani. great live act they have (white guy, latino lady fronting the band). they even have coyote dancers on between the live acts, dancing on raised platforms between tables. eyed a gorgeous tall (6" 1") and super cute girl next door looking russky in the smoke room. sat with her on the couch and chit chatted a bit. no talk of business. wanted to play the game for a bit longer. went out and bumped into a tall skinny black girl near the bar. she said she was from jamaica (tanzanian father). joined her at her table and conversed about the caribbean and tanzania and my africa trip plans. again no business talk, disappointed when she said was going to call it a night and left. i must've spent a good 30 mins with her, just talking. she said she was an exotic dancer! dunno how much of this was bullshit, didn't really care.

went back to the smoke room and got chatting with a hot looking tall turkish girl. her perfume was driving me nuts. intoxicated. she was dressed to kill. the horn rimmed glasses, the black dress, those 6" heels, the sexy teacher look had my head spinning around. we hit it off instantly. she was smart, had been around quite a bit and a great talker. she reminded me of the bespectacled backup singer brandon flowers employs (watch the 'crossfire' video, on youtube ). my head spun even more when she named her price. my counter offer was flatly rejected. i went out to the pool tables for a walk, needed to clear my head. she joined me there and we exchanged numbers. the lights came on, and i got out and into a taxi to bossy. txted her saying goodbye, and she replied immediately agreeing to my initial offer. turned the cab back around, a picked her up. she was looking more elegant than before, but now holding a bunch of red roses!

back at the suite, lots of gfe. got into the tub for a nice soapy like session. bj included. she asked me if i'd done a pregnant girl before. wtf? that's when she slipped the bombshell. 'i'm four months pregnant'! this was going to be a first. i started enjoying the idea once i recovered from the initial shock she wasn't lactating though. made me suck her firm ripe 38d melons. nothing. she was horny as hell. had an absolute blast in the bedroom. everything on offer except backdoor. also, she couldn't lie on her tummy for obvious reasons. couple of time she slipped off the condom begging to be barebacked!

had a repeat session in the wee hours as the first rays of sunlight streamed throught the curtains. this time the sex was crazier than before accompanied by screeching sounds from birds on the roof who happen to be permanent residents of gp.

she was insatiable! did her on the couch, on the dining table, against the kitchen counter, on the desk, on the rug. at one point i felt i was being overpowered and raped forced down on the rug, with her bouncing over me. i had to stop her from breaking my thighs. dragged her back to the couch, rammed her hard missionary style shot my load all over her. must've passed out for a bit, both of us on the couch. woke up drenched in cold sweat, in a freezing room. had a quick shower and got some shut eye.

she left at around 10'ish, inviting me to join her for a shopping trip. she said she'd return after changing into something appropriate, and with her laptop, which needed to be looked at. when i heard her list of chores for the day i politely declined giving her some bulshit work excuse. she had a phone to pick up from the repair shop, antivirus to be bought and installed on her laptop (at panthip) , things to be bought at siam blah blah. last minute shopping before returning. no thanks ma'am. i was completely drained form the mornings antics on the rug. this was one of the best paid fucks ever in my mongering history. [/quote]is there a big success chance in cm2 to score with a hot girl like the hot looking turkish girl sir van koff did?

do the others agree that for non-thai girls cm2 has the best looking white girls?

is the common price for lt in cm2 between 4000 and 6000 baht usually?

what time is the best to show up in cm2? from 2 am?

Not really many details pussycheck. What was the price you all settled on? These are important features to decide if it is really worth OUR time and money to visit the same place.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1153695]Prior to my next month visit to Bangkok, I am using the free social network "Tagged"

So far got responses but I am not sure how it will be translated to actual dates.

Anyone has experiences with other free or paid dating site?

J[/QUOTE]Personally, I have had good success with tagged, Dating In Asia and Thai Love Links. Some take some real work others are a jump in the bed because I never been with a farang. Will be posting some pictures, soon, of a DIA girl who, if to believed, was never with a farang and only one other guy (Thai). Just Lovely

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1153983]Personally, I have had good success with tagged, Dating In Asia and Thai Love Links. Some take some real work others are a jump in the bed because I never been with a farang. Will be posting some pictures, soon, of a DIA girl who, if to believed, was never with a farang and only one other guy (Thai). Just Lovely[/QUOTE]Had any bad experience that you can share?

[QUOTE=Zona12;1153944]Good job and Thanks![/QUOTE]Kind of you to thank the poster but you don't need to quote the whole article again. Please!

Sorry for this very late report but I misplaced the pictures & just recently found them. In June 2010, I met this tiny girl somewhere near the Starbucks around Soi 7. She provided fantastic screaming & squirming 3 hole service ST for 1000 Baht. I looked for her again but could not find her. She did not have a mobile phone. :-(

Highly recommended! Enjoy the pictures!

Just registered (put good photos of myself) , and got so many message, some from 18 years that looks like a model.

Thai Love Links is part of the cupid website which I have used in Africa for dating. (afrodating). I had a great success.

I don't know about DIA but as a concept, website is a way for getting sex or even marriage.

I will post a report next month when back from Bangkok after I will figure out the effectiveness of this method in Thailand

During my previous visits to LOS I managed to meet some girls from Tagged but the thing is that after a month or so chatting with them they think that your visit is dedicated only for them. Some of these ladies have jobs, teachers etc and one can't compare them with the freelancers and bargirls, basically they get surprised if you bang them at night and send them away in the morning. So if your a pure mongerer and always enjoy the bar scene its not a good idea to engage with such girls. Once I even got a girl coming at the airport with flowers, ok I felt good but late in the evening with all those bars around I felt like spoiling my holiday.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1153983]Personally, I have had good success with tagged, Dating In Asia and Thai Love Links. Some take some real work others are a jump in the bed because I never been with a farang. Will be posting some pictures, soon, of a DIA girl who, if to believed, was never with a farang and only one other guy (Thai). Just Lovely[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1153921]The girls on TLL were almost always up for BB sex and often told me that I could cum deep inside their pussies.[/QUOTE]This is what thai guys like. And the girls know very little. Why you think there are so many single moms?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1153725]Having recently decided to venture into BB sex in my own country, it was a main aim of mine to see what Bangkok had to offer, if anything.

Since I've been here in BKK this time I've entered 7 ladies BB. For those wondering how easy or hard it is to get BB sex in Thailand, I'd have to say that IME perhaps 50% of P4P SWTGs are willing, although one will probably have to offer something extra, either Baht and / or other incentives. 1000 Baht ST just won't cut it, unless perhaps it's in an area like Chinatown, or the girl is sick or unusually desperate or ugly. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Evianist]Hey thanks for spreading HIV[/QUOTE]Remind me not to fuck behind that guy! I just went and got a clean bill of heath. A finger prick. 400 baht, and 10 minutes later...

[QUOTE=Mangofan]The girls on TLL were almost always up for BB sex and often told me that I could cum deep inside their pussies.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1154039]This is what thai guys like. And the girls know very little. Why you think there are so many single moms?[/QUOTE]No need for there to ever be any unwanted pregnancies in these parts with these morning afters readily available for 50 baht.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1153921]I have had BB sex with a few sex workers in this country; honestly I would never do it again since I had an HIV scare a few years ago. Was almost sure that I had it but then turned out to be negative. It always surprises me how easy it is to get Thai girls to have BB sex. Even in the go-gos, girls have offered it to me. Stickman claims that he knows of a few HIV+ bargirls working in Nana and Cowboy however he won't name the bars. But the working girls aren't nearly as easy for BB sex as the regular Thai girls I've met on dating sites. The girls on TLL were almost always up for BB sex and often told me that I could cum deep inside their pussies. Forget it. Not worth the risk. Just shows you how uneducated these girls are about STDs. For me, I always cover up.[/QUOTE]Shortly after I arrived in BKK this trip I took a beautiful busty FL SW on soi 5. She was asking only 1000 ST. She started out with some mouth to mouth kissing with her Angelina Jolie thick lips, then proceeded to BBBJ me. Soon I got on top of her and was rubbing my dick on her pussy while sticking my tongue in her mouth ala the French. As I was about to put the key in the hole, she said something about a condom. I told her I don't like them & she answered 2000 Baht w / o. She seemed surprised when I agreed.

If someone is about to die, then HIV is nothing, and a guy isn't going to worry about getting it. Not that that is how simple my situation is, but it illustrates the point. Further, tears during sex are a major contributing factor to getting HIV, but if a guy has a small penis, is circumcised, doesn't practice rough sex, and his girl's pussy is like fucking the grand canyon, all of these factors reduce friction and the likelihood of tearing. Such a guy, myself included, may be safer from HIV than many guys using a condom that may be defective, break, or slip off inside the girl.

Personally, at the moment, I have reduced the number of TGs I'm banging BB to two. In both cases we have exchanged blood test results which were in all cases negative, so this makes me feel relatively safe. OTOH many guys are out there banging ladies who they have no idea about their HIV status, and all that separates some of them from fucking an infected working girl is a condom.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154042]No need for there to ever be any unwanted pregnancies in these parts with these morning afters readily available for 50 baht.[/QUOTE]That's what one of the two TG's I plan on continuing to BB is doing. The other wants a kid. In the former case I try not to cum inside and in the latter I feel more comfortable in doing what's natural.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154040]Remind me not to fuck behind that guy! I just went and got a clean bill of heath. A finger prick. 400 baht, and 10 minutes later...[/QUOTE]That's a good thing you get checked out. Everyone should do that regularly. Both me and the two girls I've decided to continue BBing, and who say they are only seeing me, have also done the same recently. All tests showed no signs of any STDs, whether major or minor. Hopefully those you are doing with a condom are the same or at least the rubber does not fail you.

Good luck!

Anyone ever been able to get Valium over the counter in BKK? I did ask but had no luck, I guess they have to draw the line at deadly addictive substances.

On a side note I spent an hour at Afterskool bar and was besiged by two average but fun ladies that would have done HJ or BJ right there where I sat had I let them.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1153695]Prior to my next month visit to Bangkok, I am using the free social network "Tagged"

So far got responses but I am not sure how it will be translated to actual dates.

Anyone has experiences with other free or paid dating site?

J[/QUOTE]Tagged is free?

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1154119]Tagged is free?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is free.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1154119]Tagged is free?[/QUOTE]It's free. I just came back from a Tagged meeting about 20 minutes ago. She was pretty good in the pics and on cam, but after the in person I decided I didn't want to go anywhere with it. I usually meet up with them at Big C with no big plans except for every now and then a soda or tea. Something that is not too hard to weasel out of if I don't want to pursue it. Like tonight the girl had been working all day and wanted to get something to eat. But lo and behold I had just eaten street food and started to yawn because I had been "up all day." So we joked a bit then went out separate ways. I have another meeting tomorrow at noon.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck; 1153976]Is there a big success chance in CM2 to score with a hot girl like the hot looking turkish girl Sir Van Koff did?

Do the others agree that for non-Thai girls CM2 has the best looking white girls?

Is the common price for LT in CM2 between 4000 and 6000 Baht usually?

What time is the best to show up in CM2? From 2 AM? [/QUOTE]You don't "score" a hot girl here. You buy her services. But there are civilians too. I once scored a hot thai here, almost, but gave up when I saw my drinks bill sky-rocketing and when she (and her 2 frnds) wanted to go elsewhere to conitnue drinking, I bailed out.

Best time would be 11pm. The place gets going about midnight. Closes at 2am.

The common price is closer to 10, 000 Baht. (for the super hot ones, and they won't drop below 8000) Yes there are those that go down to 4000-6000, but they can be found at Grace, Spicy, Bossy etc.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1153919]Can this be the same PinkPearl who just got banned from the other forum? Or a different PinkPearl with an equally stupid mindset?[/QUOTE]

Some time ago, I've had a discussion with this member in the Safe Sex thread. At that time, this guy was saying that "[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-in-Thailand&p=809242#post809242"]using a condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better[/url]", and that "[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-in-Thailand&p=814112#post814112"]those going BB are spreading disease, that is putting those who practice safe sex at greater risk. If the condom breaks, for example, and one picks up HIV, a death sentence, from a lady who would not have otherwise had HIV if some guy going bareback hadn't infected her[/url]", and that "[url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-in-Thailand&p=815896#post815896"]many who practice BB sex [...] have issues with women and want to hurt them. Hence no condom. Get them pregnant. Give them STDs. Fill them full of cum. Degrade them. Tell them BB or forget it and in so doing coerce them into putting themselves at risk. These guys would not enjoy sex with a condom. It has nothing to do with a condom per se causing sexual intercourse to be less pleasurable, but the problem is with their stinking thinking. I suggest that there are a number of mental issues besides misogyny that can lead men to demand BB sex and cause them to enjoy it more, while a normal person could discover that condom sex CAN be equally pleasurable, IF they know how to do it. The sick person, OTOH, might get help from AA, NA, GA, etc.[/url]" (etc.).

For the record, I was not (and am still not) advocating uncovered sex with persons whose STD/HIV health status is unknown. Our disagreement was about sensations: I wrote that covered sex was unquestionably safer, but not as agreeable than bareback sex and PinkPearl insisted in saying that covered sex can feel "just as good or even better than bareback sex".

It seems that he radically changed his mind... or his account has been hacked since and it's another guy who is now writing here under his moniker! :D

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154042]No need for there to ever be any unwanted pregnancies in these parts with these morning afters readily available for 50 baht.[/QUOTE]What are the side effects of the mornin g after pill?

BK

[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming; 1154141]What are the side effects of the mornin g after pill?

BK[/QUOTE]Well I know that it's not 100% effective. I remember reading something like 70% effective on the box.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1154018]Sorry for this very late report but I misplaced the pictures & just recently found them. In June 2010, I met this tiny girl somewhere near the Starbucks around Soi 7. She provided fantastic screaming & squirming 3 hole service ST for 1000 Baht. I looked for her again but could not find her. She did not have a mobile phone. .

Highly recommended! Enjoy the pictures! [/QUOTE]Thanks. You must have left her ass sore which probably explains why she couldn't found for more.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1154046]Such a guy, myself included, may be safer from HIV than many guys using a condom that may be defective, break, or slip off inside the girl[/QUOTE]Delusional much?

[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming;1154141]What are the side effects of the mornin g after pill?[/QUOTE]The side effects are not good for the girl. They can include strong headaches, nausea etc. Sometimes the girl feels nothing but it still fucks up her hormones big time. It's not healthy at all.

It's just another sign of a lack of care for the girls when the BB crowd says "they can always take a morning pill the next day". It's not supposed to be something you take lightly, or often.

[QUOTE=Bobisee;1154164]Thanks. You must have left her ass sore which probably explains why she couldn't found for more.[/QUOTE]She took it like a champ! Mostly.

I'm about to take a girl with me to Koh Samet for a few days (3 or 4). First time I'm doing this. Any tips on negotiating price? On the one hand she will stay with me more than usual since it's full time for a few days; on the other hand it's a holiday and she is booked solid for a few days. So I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to pay more or less. I'd guess less. But any tips welcome.

For what it's worth, the other day a Bacarra girl I'm friendly with told me she stayed with a guy on an island for 2 months. The guy negotiated 2, 000 per day, but in the end she told him to pay what he felt like. He paid for all the food etc during their stay. He eventually only gave her 30, 000 and she seemed happy with it, because she didn't spend anything during the 2 months. Go figure.

Any tips on accommodation in Samet also needed. Please reply to my question in the "Other areas" thread. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1154175]Delusional much?

The side effects are not good for the girl. They can include strong headaches, nausea etc. Sometimes the girl feels nothing but it still fucks up her hormones big time. It's not healthy at all.

It's just another sign of a lack of care for the girls when the BB crowd says "they can always take a morning pill the next day". It's not supposed to be something you take lightly, or often. [/QUOTE]I ave put many girls in China, Thailand and Phi on Birth control pills. None of them had any side effects. Ofcourse these are the girls I stayed with more than 4-5 days. These are regular birth control pills which acts the same way as morning after pill. On the day I arrive I ask the girl to take two pills and continue one a day for the rest. After I leave they need to continue for about two more days. Girls can get these in any pharmacy.

Nobody thinks about casual one night BB pregnancy. You will not even hear about it unless you are in touch with her.

I never keep in touch with one night girls via barfine.

[QUOTE=Sir Van Koff; 1154136]You don't "score" a hot girl here. You buy her services. But there are civilians too. I once scored a hot thai here, almost, but gave up when I saw my drinks bill sky-rocketing and when she (and her 2 frnds) wanted to go elsewhere to conitnue drinking, I bailed out.

Best time would be 11pm. The place gets going about midnight. Closes at 2am.

The common price is closer to 10, 000 Baht. (for the super hot ones, and they won't drop below 8000) Yes there are those that go down to 4000-6000, but they can be found at Grace, Spicy, Bossy etc. [/QUOTE]Honestly for CM2 I find even 4K THB too much!

I was for a while in Bangkok and on one of the last days someone in Spasso mentioned that their was a disco in the opposite Intercontinental Hotel (Mikie?). I was there shortly around 01:00/01:30 AM and many nice cute girls who I also have seen in Guillivers, Spasso etc. Where their around.

I spoke shortly with a cute waitress and she was offering herself but she had to work till 04:30 AM!

My advise: go to Spasso and CM2 between 12:00 and 02:00 and after that try Mikie, Bossy, Shock39, Bangkok Beat etc. And. Never pay more than 2. 500 THB.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154205]These are regular birth control pills which acts the same way as morning after pill.[/QUOTE]The morning after pill is much stronger than regular birth control pills.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154205]On the day I arrive I ask the girl to take two pills and continue one a day for the rest. After I leave they need to continue for about two more days.[/QUOTE]Starting and stopping regular birth control pills, even if you do it at the end of a cycle, and therefore even more if you stop after a few days ie before the end of a cycle, is also unhealthy and not advisable at all. Fucks up the hormonal cycle. Just because the girl doesn't know it's unhealthy and shows no visible symptoms doesn't make it healthy. Just like fucking her without condoms, in fact.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1154188]I'm about to take a girl with me to Koh Samet for a few days (3 or 4). First time I'm doing this. Any tips on negotiating price? On the one hand she will stay with me more than usual since it's full time for a few days; on the other hand it's a holiday and she is booked solid for a few days. So I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to pay more or less. I'd guess less. But any tips welcome.

For what it's worth, the other day a Bacarra girl I'm friendly with told me she stayed with a guy on an island for 2 months. The guy negotiated 2, 000 per day, but in the end she told him to pay what he felt like. He paid for all the food etc during their stay. He eventually only gave her 30, 000 and she seemed happy with it, because she didn't spend anything during the 2 months. Go figure.

Any tips on accommodation in Samet also needed. Please reply to my question in the "Other areas" thread. Cheers! [/QUOTE]I have just done this. 3 days on Koh Samet with girl. So here is my take on it.

Firstly, feel free to negotiate. It's a guaranteed income for the girl, plus she gets to have a holiday. The fact that you pay for all the food etc is not really a big deal, as these girls can live pretty cheaply. But remember you are taking her away from her friends for a few days, so she may see a downside to that.

I took my longtime gf ('the Shrimp' for those who have met her) a few weeks ago. I negotiated a LT price a long time ago, and see no reason to change that if I enjoy her company for several days. She is a wg and has no problems getting customers when I am not around, so I figure that if I pay less than a good day rate she may resent it. Equally if I was not with her I would be paying a lot more to chase and find ST / LT girls with unknown abilities. The Shrimp is a star and frankly I continue to have the best sex with her in my life. Money well spent but it is a bit painful paying all the cash out in one go at the end of a week though!

I also make sure she has a good time with me (I hope) and I treat her well. For me this means giving her a bit of space to do what she wants to do, and not just dragging her around all the places I want to go. So If she wants to go to a hair salon or look around the shops alone then that is fine. If I fancy sitting on the beach I'll buy her a couple of magazines to read. I'm equally relaxed about phone calls from hopeful customers. She has told me about trips where he guy goes out drinking with his mates until 4am, leaving her in the hotel to watch TV. Sounds great.

So agree a LT price in advance and stick to it. Give her some space if she needs it. Have a great holiday.

I'll give some thoughts on accommodation in the other thread.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154205]On the day I arrive I ask the girl to take two pills and continue one a day for the rest.[/QUOTE]The girls that you meet must be pretty naive or trusting. If I met a stranger (or someone who I didn't know very well) and the stranger asked me to swallow two pills that's provided by the stranger, I'd runaway as fast as I can or hold the pill under my tongue and spit it out later.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1154188]I'm about to take a girl with me to Koh Samet for a few days (3 or 4). First time I'm doing this. Any tips on negotiating price? On the one hand she will stay with me more than usual since it's full time for a few days; on the other hand it's a holiday and she is booked solid for a few days. So I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to pay more or less. I'd guess less. But any tips welcome.[/QUOTE]It's a free holiday. Don't negotiate anything. Just tell her you will give her (the job pays) 1, 000 baht/day. The transportation, lodging, and food are already included so she should be happy with that.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1154271]I took my longtime gf ('the Shrimp' for those who have met her) a few weeks ago. I negotiated a LT price a long time ago, and see no reason to change that if I enjoy her company for several days. She is a wg and has no problems getting customers when I am not around, so I figure that if I pay less than a good day rate she may resent it. Equally if I was not with her I would be paying a lot more to chase and find ST / LT girls with unknown abilities. The Shrimp is a star and frankly I continue to have the best sex with her in my life. Money well spent but it is a bit painful paying all the cash out in one go at the end of a week though![/QUOTE]A further thought on this: I have occasionally thought about negotiating a long time LT rate with her. Then I think, I will probably save £10 per day, say £50 - 100 overall. My trip is costing say £1500 in total, and I'm trying to save £50 by taking it from the one person I have travelled 8000 miles to come and see! She would rather help me to save my money by eating in cheap restaurants and street corners, which she prefers and I am fine with. But, hey, I'm biased. :)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154288]It's a free holiday. Don't negotiate anything. Just tell her you will give her (the job pays) 1, 000 baht/day. The transportation, lodging, and food are already included so she should be happy with that.[/QUOTE]Not all girls particularly want a holiday away from their friends and their comfort zone. It amazes me when I hear of guys wanting to take an almost complete stranger away to a deserted beach for a month.

But nothing wrong with making an offer or negotiating. The girl can either say yes or no.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154040]Remind me not to fuck behind that guy! I just went and got a clean bill of heath. A finger prick. 400 baht, and 10 minutes later...[/QUOTE]Hey man, If it's that convenient to get an HIV / STD test, I'd be bareback'in.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154288]It's a free holiday. Don't negotiate anything. Just tell her you will give her (the job pays) 1, 000 baht/day. The transportation, lodging, and food are already included so she should be happy with that.[/QUOTE]Depends a lot on your chemistry with the girl, and if being on vacation with you would be a lot of work for her or very fun and easy. If you meet a girl once and want to take her on holiday, she might expect more money than someone you've seen a few times and get along well with already. But yeah you're giving the girl a free vacation so you should cut the LT fee down considerably.

[QUOTE=Zona12;1153990]Had any bad experience that you can share?[/QUOTE]Bad Experience?

Like a previous poster some think they own you straight out after meeting them. I've had one become, somewhat, like a stalker. Trying to know my every move but overall it 'can' be worth the up front get to know them, they get to know you time spent.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1154331]Depends a lot on your chemistry with the girl, and if being on vacation with you would be a lot of work for her or very fun and easy. If you meet a girl once and want to take her on holiday, she might expect more money than someone you've seen a few times and get along well with already. But yeah you're giving the girl a free vacation so you should cut the LT fee down considerably.[/QUOTE]I say again, what may be a glamorous holoiday for you on a remote beach with plenty of sun, sand and sex may be a week of sheer tedium for her in a sleepy backwater, hiding from the sun, not swimming and only you for company! As you say, it all depends on chemistry.

If you or she get bored on Koh Samed there is not a lot else to do.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1154228]My advise: go to Spasso and CM2 between 12:00 and 02:00 and after that try Mikie, Bossy, Shock39, Bangkok Beat etc. And. Never pay more than 2. 500 THB.[/QUOTE]I have hardly seen Thai girls going below 3500BAHT and foreign gals below 4500baht in CM2! The tops are around 6000 baht have never seen any one for 10, 000BAHT ever!

Obviously as CM2 begins to shit down around 2 am the rates go down but still its your luck as some babes with attitude would stick to their price!

When not lucky at CM2 I hit Bossy after that!

[QUOTE=Old School 62;1154317]Hey man, If it's that convenient to get an HIV / STD test, I'd be bareback'in.[/QUOTE]No, you see the test doesn't stop you gettinng AIDS. It just tells you if you were infected with HIV about 6 months ago. Luckily not quite a death sentence these days (at least not for you as a Westerner).

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154205]I have put many girls in China, Thailand and Phi on Birth control pills. None of them had any side effects.[/QUOTE]Crap. All drugs have side effects. You just don't know because you are not aware of them. Quite apart from the fact that SE Asia is rife with counterfeit drugs.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154205]Of course these are the girls I stayed with more than 4-5 days. These are regular birth control pills which acts the same way as morning after pill. On the day I arrive I ask the girl to take two pills and continue one a day for the rest. After I leave they need to continue for about two more days. Girls can get these in any pharmacy.[/QUOTE]And as others have said, it's not a trivial thing to do. Especially if they are not well-informed of the risks.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1154205]Nobody thinks about casual one night BB pregnancy. You will not even hear about it unless you are in touch with her.

I never keep in touch with one night girls via barfine. [/QUOTE]Well, that solves that problem then. :(

Dear All,

It is always the biggest turn down whenever I visit Bangkok while enjoying my nightlife in the red district like NANA and SOI COWBOY.

I wonder why, inspite of being named as the Land Of Sex, why the gov't. Have impossed a automatic unified closing time at 2:00 am to all gogo bars, massage parlours etc. I wonder if there is any other places that will still be opening for enjoyment after the said 2:00 am

Cheers,

MD

[QUOTE=Macho Dik;1154373]I wonder why, inspite of being named as the Land Of Sex, why the gov't has imposed an automatic unified closing time at 2:00 am to all gogo bars, massage parlours etc.[/QUOTE]Smiles, my friend, Smiles. Land of Smiles. :)

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1154373]Dear All,

It is always the biggest turn down whenever I visit Bangkok while enjoying my nightlife in the red district like NANA and SOI COWBOY.

I wonder why, inspite of being named as the Land Of Sex, why the gov't. Have impossed a automatic unified closing time at 2:00 am to all gogo bars, massage parlours etc. I wonder if there is any other places that will still be opening for enjoyment after the said 2:00 am

Cheers,

MD[/QUOTE]When I was there in January, I would hit up Nana Liquid Disco a little further down Soi 4 after 2 am. You may find a nice little FL there or non-pro looking for a little extra money.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik;1154373]I wonder if there is any other places that will still be opening for enjoyment after the said 2:00 am[/QUOTE]There are Places open until 5 or 6 am. If you are in Cowboy at closing time, just ask a couple girls and they will happily take you there. Many GoGo girls also go to these late night clubs in hope of finding a customer.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1154367]Crap. All drugs have side effects. You just don't know because you are not aware of them. Quite apart from the fact that SE Asia is rife with counterfeit drugs.

And as others have said, it's not a trivial thing to do. Especially if they are not well-informed of the risks.

Well, that solves that problem then. . [/QUOTE]It is true all drugs have side effects. Many millions of girls take pills for many years without problems. Yes, It is possible some girls body may not agree to it. In such cases stop using them. None of my girls had any problems.

Lately depo shots are available in many countries.

If you are worried just use the condom all the time. This satisfies your conscience. My suggestion are for those guys who want to BB and do not want to get the girl pregnant.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154480]It is true all drugs have side effects. Many millions of girls take pills for many years without problems. Yes, It is possible some girls body may not agree to it. In such cases stop using them. None of my girls had any problems.[/QUOTE]My TG likes the effect of bigger boobies. I'm ok with that too.

A month's supply cost about 135 Baht. Or you can get silicone implants for what. 50, 000?

"As for beneficial effects, some women (myself included) find that birth control helps regulate the menstrual cycle, lessen cramps and other symptoms of PMS, and reduce acne. Woohoo!"

[url]http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090617053002AAMIwCZ[/url]

You can go to shock69 after 2 or 2:30 when all the gogo and clubs are open. Its a disco and its open till 5 in morning. Whats good about this place is all the girls working in gogo, bars or massage parlours move to this disco after all other places close down. Lot of good stuff is available.

Just enjoy and do report back.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1154373]Dear All,

It is always the biggest turn down whenever I visit Bangkok while enjoying my nightlife in the red district like NANA and SOI COWBOY.

I wonder why, inspite of being named as the Land Of Sex, why the gov't. Have impossed a automatic unified closing time at 2:00 am to all gogo bars, massage parlours etc. I wonder if there is any other places that will still be opening for enjoyment after the said 2:00 am

Cheers,

MD[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154205]These are regular birth control pills which acts the same way as morning after pill. On the day I arrive I ask the girl to take two pills and continue one a day for the rest. After I leave they need to continue for about two more days.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure this is crap too. Regular birth control pills take at least 1-2 months to become effective.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1154530]I'm pretty sure this is crap too. Regular birth control pills take at least 1-2 months to become effective.[/QUOTE]Or it is a "bomb".

[QUOTE=Sir Van Koff; 1154136]You don't "score" a hot girl here. You buy her services. But there are civilians too. I once scored a hot thai here, almost, but gave up when I saw my drinks bill sky-rocketing and when she (and her 2 frnds) wanted to go elsewhere to conitnue drinking, I bailed out.

Best time would be 11pm. The place gets going about midnight. Closes at 2am.

The common price is closer to 10, 000 Baht. (for the super hot ones, and they won't drop below 8000) Yes there are those that go down to 4000-6000, but they can be found at Grace, Spicy, Bossy etc. [/QUOTE]Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.

Whilst there might be some warm feeling inside that you can pull, the economics always put me off, I would rather bang and then pay them to go away, as opposed to "paying for them" to get into their knickers.

Having been here over 20 years there are always exceptions and I do have a few that are purely banging for pleasure with no money involved at all. But as a general rule working girls are much cheaper, much less hassle and you can change them whenever you want, and you pay them to go away after the sex.

Lately the BIB have been making multiple nightly raids on the NEP area SWs. They have been hit up before for years for the 1000 Baht fine, if they can't outrun the officers, but not at this frequency. I've been told as many as 6 times in an evening. Consequently some girls are adjusting to this problem by coming earlier in the day, not being so obvious in their intentions, working in bars or leaving BKK to try their luck in Phucket, etc. This is good news for guys wanting some late morning to mid afternoon action as an appetizer for the late activities.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1154499]You can go to shock69 after 2 or 2:30 when all the gogo and clubs are open. Its a disco and its open till 5 in morning. Whats good about this place is all the girls working in gogo, bars or massage parlours move to this disco after all other places close down. Lot of good stuff is available.

Just enjoy and do report back. [/QUOTE]During My last visit to Bangkok, I happened to me a guy in Bacarra and he has mentioned to me once about a certain disco that mostly all the gogo girls went after closing time of their bars. I really can not recalled that name of the disco, if shock 69 is the one, then I do hope that in my next trip, I will certainly go to find the last catch of the day.

Cheers,

MD

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1154628]Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.

But as a general rule working girls are much cheaper, much less hassle and you can change them whenever you want, and you pay them to go away after the sex. [/QUOTE]I 100% agree! Usually non working girls end up much more than working girl. Not to mentioned if feeling is involve at the end.

Best is to take different girls every night and no string attached.

I like this phrase" you pay them to go away after the sex"

Cheers,

MD

[QUOTE=The Pro;1154628]. . . Whilst there might be some warm feeling inside that you can pull, the economics always put me off, I would rather bang and then pay them to go away, as opposed to "paying for them" to get into their knickers.[/QUOTE]It depends on POV.

I agree on the concept that a non-pro might cost more.

I agree you pay the WG to leave after the deed.

But it all depends on what one is looking for and wants, still without engaging in a permanent relationship.

If one is just looking for digging his little head for some draining plumbing job, then obviously the "wam-bam-thank-you-ma'am of 20 minutes" is the perfect solution.

But you can pay also to get a little bit more (and maybe you need to pay more or different rates)

But you can also spend money to enjoy a few hrs in nice company, eating and drinking and dancing and ending up in bed.

Each one his own

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1154628]Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.

Whilst there might be some warm feeling inside that you can pull, the economics always put me off, I would rather bang and then pay them to go away, as opposed to "paying for them" to get into their knickers.

Having been here over 20 years there are always exceptions and I do have a few that are purely banging for pleasure with no money involved at all. But as a general rule working girls are much cheaper, much less hassle and you can change them whenever you want, and you pay them to go away after the sex. [/QUOTE]Like you said there are exceptions. You only come out on the bottom (no pun intended) if you always insist on spending YOUR money. When I go out with non-pros they usually offer up to foot some of the bills.

For instance last night me and my ex-girlfriend went to see Fast 5. I paid 240 for the movie and she said she would pay it next time we went. We then went to Swenson's and she paid 160 for ice creams. And after that she paid 70 for noodles on the street for us. Compare that to a working girl. The 240 I spent with her last night in no way compares to the 1000 I'm giving this hot mamasan (who I met in Candy Shop on Walking Street last night and was later buying me drinks in her bar) when she wakes up or the 3000-5000 guys are accustomed to shelling out for gogo girls on top of lady drinks and barfines. I am in Thailand for God sake. I never spent an equivalent of 5000 baht going out with non-pros in America. And to think there is even remotely some chance of me spending that kind of money on a non-pro in Thailand is virtually impossible unless plane tickets and resorts come into play.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1154205]Nobody thinks about casual one night BB pregnancy. You will not even hear about it unless you are in touch with her.

I never keep in touch with one night girls via barfine. [/QUOTE]Words fail me. Shame on you, dude.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1154205]If you are worried just use the condom all the time.[/QUOTE]I do bro. I do.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1154352]No, you see the test doesn't stop you gettinng AIDS. It just tells you if you were infected with HIV about 6 months ago. Luckily not quite a death sentence these days (at least not for you as a Westerner).[/QUOTE]Just for the record, HIV still is very much a death sentence, you just don't die in 2 years like you did in 1985, but in 20. And during the 20 years you have to take very strong medications several times per day, that give you either permanent cold sweat, diarrhea, stomach aches, pimples, dizziness, mental fog, liver issues, or a combination of all and more. It's not a walk in the park.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik;1154668]I 100% agree! Usually non working girls end up much more than working girl.[/QUOTE]I don't understand the economics involved here. At 4000 LT or 3000 or even 2000 LT, how on earth could a non-WG be more expensive than a WG? Are you spending 50 or 100 euros every time you meet your normal girlfriend? I certainly don't. I go dutch with my normal girls at all times. And it's not fancy dinners and champagne on a regular basis. For me WGs are way, WAY more expensive that normal girls.

The one case where it wouldn't be so is if you got divorced and your wife takes you to the cleaners, but that's not a fair comparison. Otherwise, on a weekly or monthly basis, WG-to-normal-girlfriend comparison, I don't see how a non WG could be more expensive.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1154685]I don't understand the economics involved here. At 4000 LT or 3000 or even 2000 LT, how on earth could a non-WG be more expensive than a WG? Are you spending 50 or 100 euros every time you meet your normal girlfriend? I certainly don't. I go dutch with my normal girls at all times. And it's not fancy dinners and champagne on a regular basis. For me WGs are way, WAY more expensive that normal girls.

The one case where it wouldn't be so is if you got divorced and your wife takes you to the cleaners, but that's not a fair comparison. Otherwise, on a weekly or monthly basis, WG-to-normal-girlfriend comparison, I don't see how a non WG could be more expensive.[/QUOTE]
1) Some people pay much less than what you are apparently used to pay for having sex with the local prostitutes.
2) Some people (not me) are happy with just one ST session every couple of days or about one or two per week.
3) Some people (me included) don't go dutch with the "normal" girls and the courtship can be relatively expensive (much more than paying a sex worker if you are not interested in a durable relationship), especially if you are much older than the girls that you want to bed.
4) Most people don't buy any costly gift for hookers, but do that for their regular girlfriend(s).
5) When the regular girlfriend becomes your wife, it often means more costly gifts (a second car, for instance) but also less sex (at least with her) in the long term, and you have many other expenses when you have children together, etc.

That's just a few amongst many reasons why for many people, doing sex workers is, at the end of the day, often less expensive than having a regular girlfriend.

Day 2.

Slept till after noon and then did normal thing till evening. Around 11 again went to bed super club met a guy from UK it was his 1st time in BKK so I gave him some moral support :P. There were group 4 smoking hot girls enjoying the music and drinks it was hard to tell they were working girls or not. They were not giving any attention of guys. So didn't gave it a try. Help that guy from UK to find a good girl and he was all set. I Moved to Q bar nothing exciting so finally moved to CM2. Saw one hot Uzbaki asked her whats her plan the reply was she already with customer &61516; oh that was disappointing casuse she was really hot almost 10/10. I could not find any thing better or same as her so I was really disappointed and was not really ready to compromise on quality.

It was time for cm2 to close so I moved to Shock 69. I was surprised to see all the non picked girls from the CM2 and bed super club where there. Including the group of girl whom I saw at Bedsuper club. Just approached one of the girls in that group she was 5'7' tall without heel and figure to die for. Smooth skin. Just said Hi and asked her is she interested in going out with me. She quoted 8000 bhats. Well I guess that's nice way to say no thank you I am not interested. Again I was disappointed and keep looking. Suddenly she came to me hold my hand and pulled me toward the bathroom. And told me she generally not go out with guys and she is here cause its weekend. But said that she will go with me and how much I will pay. I said I will pay 2000 short time she said no 3000 thousand I said yes and closed the deal.

She had a perfect English so communication was no problem. Back to my room. And when I saw he in light man I was floored. She got fair baby skin and not a single stretch mark. She told me that she is a event organiser and a part time model. When I told her that I saw her in Bed supper club and was about to approach her but decided not to do that at last moment. She said if I would have approached her there she would have said no to me. Because being a event organiser every 1 know her there. Its just that I like you that's why I am here in you room otherwise I don't go out like this.

She was priceless. For hours we had sex in each and every position. Only disappointing part is that its not easy to find such a fine girl in BKK at that cost. She has set my standard to new high. We exchanged no and she promise me that she is going to call me in afternoon so that we can have lunch together.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1154628]Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl. I think we can all agree, however, that non-working girls suck more time and energy from men then do p4p girls. For some, time is money and freedom is bliss, so enter the working girl and life is good.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1154725]1) Some people pay much less than what you are apparently used to pay for having sex with the local prostitutes.
2) Some people (not me) are happy with just one ST session every couple of days or about one or two per week.
3) Some people (me included) don't go dutch with the "normal" girls and the courtship can be relatively expensive (much more than paying a sex worker if you are not interested in a durable relationship), especially if you are much older than the girls that you want to bed.
4) Most people don't buy any costly gift for hookers, but do that for their regular girlfriend(s).
5) When the regular girlfriend becomes your wife, it often means more costly gifts (a second car, for instance) but also less sex (at least with her) in the long term, and you have many other expenses when you have children together, etc.

That's just a few amongst many reasons why for many people, doing sex workers is, at the end of the day, often less expensive than having a regular girlfriend.[/QUOTE]

Many good points here, Pro Fesseur!

The more you get older, the less you will be able to score a young and attractive "normal girl". I will be 44 next month and in the Land of Smiles, I regularly have sex with numerous young and cute prostitutes (most of them being in the 18-22 age group) for very little money.

But when I'm back in Farangland, the youngest women with whom I can have sex (apart from prostitutes) are usually over 30, and even if I'm not very old, it would look weird in my country of origin if I were courting a young 18-year-old cutie. And my chance of success would be very slim with her, as I am far than being as attractive as Brad Pitt or George Clooney nowadays.

Moreover, a regular girlfriend costs more than only money, but also some time and emotional involvement, for instance. You must admit that when you have a regular girlfriend, you often do some things with her that you don't really like and would not do if you were single.

With prostitutes, it's very easy for (almost) every guy at any age to fuck various kinds of women, provided that he's got some money (very little in Thailand usually, at least by Western standards). Of course, it's also not very difficult to fuck many different young and beautiful women (almost) for free when you still are a young and attractive guy, but things often change dramatically when you get older. I would love to fuck very young cuties in my country of origin, but it's almost impossible for a guy of my age when no money exchanges hands (somehow, as a nice and expensive gift might do the trick in certain cases).

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1154725]3) Some people (me included) don't go dutch with the "normal" girls and the courtship can be relatively expensive (much more than paying a sex worker if you are not interested in a durable relationship), especially if you are much older than the girls that you want to bed.[/QUOTE]

I can't understand going dutch with a thai girl who probably only makes 8-12, 000 baht / month.

I expect to pay for meals, transportation and entertainment. Which over the course of a relationship can get pretty expensive.

Especially if you're older I would think they'll lose interest if they're not being taken care of.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1154758]I can't understand going dutch with a thai girl who probably only makes 8-12, 000 baht / month. I expect to pay for meals, transportation and entertainment. Which over the course of a relationship can get pretty expensive. Especially if you're older I would think they'll lose interest if they're not being taken care of.[/QUOTE]Shit if they can go out and pay for those expensive ass drinks in the club then why can't they pay a couple hundred baht for a meal? They were going to eat regardless whether or not you showed up. As for transportation, most of my non-pros have cars or motorbikes already. So that is not an issue. But if they didn't a motorbike taxi or regular taxi is all of 50-100 baht each way.

But the point is that if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday. As Chill Out was saying you don't go out drinking champagne with a non-pro everyday. You do regular everyday shit that you will only come off max 500-800 baht / day for if that. A pro is going to cost you from 1000-5000 a pop, and that does not include the "courtship" costs associated.

If they lose interest because "they are not being taken care of" then you shouldn't have been with them to begin with. Get someone in your own league that does not just want you for your money. I would think that is the point of being with a non-pro. I'm not showing up to save these chicks by playing Mr. Money Bags. I'm showing up to give them the privilege of being graced with my presence!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154772]Shit if they can go out and pay for those expensive ass drinks in the club then why can't they pay a couple hundred baht for a meal? They were going to eat regardless whether or not you showed up. As for transportation, most of my non-pros have cars or motorbikes already. So that is not an issue. But if they didn't a motorbike taxi or regular taxi is all of 50-100 baht each way.

But the point is that if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday. As Chill Out was saying you don't go out drinking champagne with a non-pro everyday. You do regular everyday shit that you will only come off max 500-800 baht / day for if that. A pro is going to cost you from 1000-5000 a pop, and that does not include the "courtship" costs associated.

If they lose interest because "they are not being taken care of" then you shouldn't have been with them to begin with. Get someone in your own league that does not just want you for your money. I would think that is the point of being with a non-pro. I'm not showing up to save these chicks by playing Mr. Money Bags. I'm showing up to give them the privilege of being graced with my presence![/QUOTE]

I don't know with what kind of (allegedly) "non-pro" girls you are going out (they more likely are "semi-pro" in Thailand if you find them in a club and if they easily agree to spend the night with you on the first date), but those that I have met so far don't go out alone with a foreigner on the first date (they have at least one of their friends coming with them that you must entertain too, at least to some extent), they very seldom fuck with a foreigner on the first date, they usually would suggest a visit to the nearest shopping mall (at the foreigner's expense) before granting their favors (those are not much different than "semi-pro" girls then), etc. According to my own experience, and at least with most of the young cute ones, you end up spending much more money and losing much more time (especially during the courtship phase) with "non-pro" girls.

If you enjoy variety, young attractive women, and don't want a durable relationship, the prostitutes are much better value (for most punters, as they usually want to fuck girls that are much younger and way more attractive than themselves).

[QUOTE=Goyave;1154749]Moreover, a regular girlfriend costs more than only money, but also some time and emotional involvement, for instance.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And for me that "time" would almost surely be spent being bored to death relative to other things I'd rather be doing, like watching a good movie, gambling, being involved on internet forums suited to male interests, wanking to porn, having sex. Women seldom have much in common with me, so I'd spend good money not to be socializing with them. If "emotional involvement", or drama, is added to the equation of "time spent" with them, I'd pay even more to avoid such a woman. Hence the common saying that we pay the hooker to leave. If my "time" is worth 30 dollars an hour, then I'd pay at least 1000 Baht to avoid hanging around with a woman who's not sexing me. Every hour I spend with her is not only money down the toilet, but my life in misery too. But some guys love playing the dating game. Not me.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1154749]You must admit that when you have a regular girlfriend, you often do some things with her that you don't really like and would not do if you were single.[/QUOTE]It is quite commonly said that relationships involve compromise. Fortunately that doesn't have to be the case with prostitutes. How many GF's or non P4P girls are going to do virtually anything you want, like a BBBJ for a hour, lick your ass, balls, tongue, etc, as long as you like, etc? For me these special services are just another reason to not bother with any females except P4P.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154772]But the point is that if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday.[/QUOTE]It depends on the quality of the girl.

In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market.

Of course non-pros will take more time and emotional involvement. And it's impossible to have that much variety in a short amount of time, with such facility, as you can with pros. Those are the reasons I go to pros as well.

For money cost though, I don't see it, unless you need to eat fine cuisine at the Landmark and buy weekly gifts to keep a normal girl. Which you don't. (Well, maybe in your 60s you do; I can't comment on that yet).

[quote]In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market.[/quote]That's probably a good point and somewhat true in every country. I've never chased the "you need to wine and dine me 15 times in 5 stars establishments before you get a kiss" kind of chicks though. Why bother?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154772]if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday. As Chill Out was saying you don't go out drinking champagne with a non-pro everyday. You do regular everyday shit that you will only come off max 500-800 baht / day for if that. A pro is going to cost you from 1000-5000 a pop, and that does not include the "courtship" costs associated.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1154807]It depends on the quality of the girl.

In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market. [/QUOTE]To me every woman is average. Cream of the Crop / Quality is a term thrown around pretty loosely on this board when talking about women, whether pro or non-pro. If we speak academically we can agree that cream of the crop would be someone who has a grade point average of 3. 8 on a 4. 0 scale. If we speak in terms of sports we can agree that cream of the crop is someone who scores 3 goals out of every 5 attempts. These things can be measured objectively.

But when we speak about women what is cream of the crop? Are we basing it on her level of education? How much money she has in the bank? How much money her parents have in the bank? How many friends she has? How old she is? How much she weighs? How tall she is? Her skin tone? The type of job she has? What material possessions she has? If she has kids or not? Or are we talking in terms of subjectivity here where to each his own and everyone has their own idea of what it is and it may vary?

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1154530]I'm pretty sure this is crap too. Regular birth control pills take at least 1-2 months to become effective.[/QUOTE]I've used Postinor many times. I usually buy it in BKK but a girl I kinda sponsor in Caracas used a pack I had about a month ago and knew it well from her country. Very effective and this is what it does:

"What is POSTINOR-2 used for and how does it work.

POSTINOR-2 is an emergency contraceptive that can be used after unprotected sex or where a contraceptive method has failed. This type of contraception is often called "the morning-after pill".

Each pack contains two round, white tablets. Each tablet contains 750 micrograms of levonorgestrel, which is the active ingredient.

POSTINOR-2 also contains the inactive ingredients: potato starch, maize starch, colloidal silica anhydrous, magnesium stearate, talc and lactose monohydrate.

How does POSTINOR-2 work?

POSTINOR-2 is an emergency contraceptive which is taken after unprotected sex. It is estimated that POSTINOR-2 prevents about 85% of expected pregnancies and so will not prevent a pregnancy in every instance. It is thought to work by:

Stopping your ovaries from releasing an egg;

Preventing sperm from fertilising any egg you may have already released; or.

Stopping a fertilised egg from attaching itself to your womb lining.

POSTINOR-2 helps to stop a pregnancy before it is established. It does not work if you are already pregnant.

POSTINOR-2 can help to prevent you from getting pregnant, but you must take the first tablet within 72 hours (three days) of having unprotected sex. The tablets are more effective if they are taken as soon as possible after unprotected sex. You need to take the second tablet 12 hours (but no more than 16 hours) after the first."

BTW, you can accomplish the same thing by crushing up some birth control pills ("the early in the month" pills, not the "later in the month" placebos) taken twice.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1154846]For money cost though, I don't see it, unless you need to eat fine cuisine at the Landmark and buy weekly gifts to keep a normal girl. Which you don't. (Well, maybe in your 60s you do; I can't comment on that yet)...[/QUOTE]"Normal girls" are more expensive during the courtship (there is none usually with prostitutes). For many guys, they are more expensive too in the long term, especially in Thailand, as many end up buying major items (vehicle, land, house, etc.) for their regular girlfriend or wife, and are asked to help their girlfriend's or wife's family too.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154848]But when we speak about women what is cream of the crop?[/QUOTE]For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"!

Exceptional genes. You can see this in every race.

I've never seen cream of the crop Thai pussy working in Nana, Cowboy, Patong, or Pattaya. The cream of the crop is kept by the Thais, unfortunatley.

Have a walk through Paragon and you'll see what I mean.

In the P4P areas, I see a good amount of girls I want to sleep with, but rarely do I see a girl I think is beautiful. The guys on here throw around praise for looks very liberally.

As an expat you can do P4P once a week and that's enough. Which isn't so expensive. Normal girls are more expensive because you end up spending more time with them.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1154732]Day 2.

Slept till after noon and then did normal thing till evening. Around 11 again went to bed super club met a guy from UK it was his 1st time in BKK so I gave him some moral support :P. There were group 4 smoking hot girls enjoying the music and drinks it was hard to tell they were working girls or not. They were not giving any attention of guys. So didn't gave it a try. Help that guy from UK to find a good girl and he was all set. I Moved to Q bar nothing exciting so finally moved to CM2. Saw one hot Uzbaki asked her whats her plan the reply was she already with customer &61516; oh that was disappointing casuse she was really hot almost 10/10. I could not find any thing better or same as her so I was really disappointed and was not really ready to compromise on quality.

It was time for cm2 to close so I moved to Shock 69. I was surprised to see all the non picked girls from the CM2 and bed super club where there. Including the group of girl whom I saw at Bedsuper club. Just approached one of the girls in that group she was 5'7' tall without heel and figure to die for. Smooth skin. Just said Hi and asked her is she interested in going out with me. She quoted 8000 bhats. Well I guess that's nice way to say no thank you I am not interested. Again I was disappointed and keep looking. Suddenly she came to me hold my hand and pulled me toward the bathroom. And told me she generally not go out with guys and she is here cause its weekend. But said that she will go with me and how much I will pay. I said I will pay 2000 short time she said no 3000 thousand I said yes and closed the deal.

She had a perfect English so communication was no problem. Back to my room. And when I saw he in light man I was floored. She got fair baby skin and not a single stretch mark. She told me that she is a event organiser and a part time model. When I told her that I saw her in Bed supper club and was about to approach her but decided not to do that at last moment. She said if I would have approached her there she would have said no to me. Because being a event organiser every 1 know her there. Its just that I like you that's why I am here in you room otherwise I don't go out like this.

She was priceless. For hours we had sex in each and every position. Only disappointing part is that its not easy to find such a fine girl in BKK at that cost. She has set my standard to new high. We exchanged no and she promise me that she is going to call me in afternoon so that we can have lunch together. [/QUOTE]And. Did she call?

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1154879]In the P4P areas, I see a good amount of girls I want to sleep with, but rarely do I see a girl I think is beautiful. The guys on here throw around praise for looks very liberally.

As an expat you can do P4P once a week and that's enough. Which isn't so expensive. Normal girls are more expensive because you end up spending more time with them. [/QUOTE]Agreed 100. The longer I am here the fewer "stunners" I find in the Farang P4P scene. The eye changes quite a bit over a decade.

I dropped in Baccara on Wednesday night and as usual there were several that fit my taste. Within one drink I made contact with a superslim hottie named Oo (spelling?). I bought her a drink (160 baht) and played with her pussy while she sat on my lap. We agreed on 2000 baht ST. 600 baht bar fine. It seems the standard is that they must leave with at least two lady drinks. I argued the second drink, as I did not authorize it. They relented but it took a lot of effort. We walked to my hotel (Jasmine) and I did not have any problems getting through. We fucked for a solid hour. 69, kissing, BBBJ, multiple positions. A great time had by all, she looked a little sore after the much needed pounding I gave her.

On Thursday I bought a Sky Train all day pass, and did a walking tour of the city from the various stops. I have seen most of the traditional sights, so I tried this for some variety.

On my way back to Jasmine Hotel I tried Tulip Massage. 600 baht for 90 minutes, and Boom (spelling?) was ushered over to me. Normally, I would have insisted to pick but she looked fine enough. Thicker than my normal taste but I figured I would get a better, much needed massage. We showered, she took good care to get me nice and clean. A great massage followed with extensive ass licking. I think I am warming up to the experience after similar service in Hong Kong. BBBJ, cowgirl, missionary, followed by CIM. She did not seem to responsive to anal (I thought this was their specialty?) Overall a good experience, she was not my body type, but the massage was excellent. Her service charge was 1500.

I'm back to Bangkok in a few weeks, for a full week this time, I think I will try Annie's again and perhaps a pickup type bar.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1154871]For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"!

Exceptional genes. You can see this in every race.

I've never seen cream of the crop Thai pussy working in Nana, Cowboy, Patong, or Pattaya. The cream of the crop is kept by the Thais, unfortunatley.

Have a walk through Paragon and you'll see what I mean.[/QUOTE]Gorgeous is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. I've noticed that even what is sometimes called slim or young looking does not always look that way to me.

I seldom go to any area you listed, though saw a number 70 in Rainbow 4 recently that had one of the most beautiful faces I've ever seen & perhaps every other criterion you list. Likewise a NPL FL, with the same name of the singer of the group Endorphine, who BTW claims to have formerly worked in Rainbow 4. If you like starfish she should be fun. Up her donation from 1K to 2K and it will only be 50% starfishing. Maybe at 3K she would also put in a semi enthusiastic act.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1154869]"Normal girls" are more expensive during the courtship (there is none usually with prostitutes). For many guys, they are more expensive too in the long term, especially in Thailand, as many end up buying major items (vehicle, land, house, etc.) for their regular girlfriend or wife, and are asked to help their girlfriend's or wife's family too.[/QUOTE]This only means that guys need to stop being suckers and falling for someone who only wants them for their money or material possessions. To me this is not a normal girl. I have NEVER had a nonpro in Thailand ask me for one satang for themselves and they definitely have not asked anything for family members. If they have ever asked me to bring them a certain thing then it has always been followed by,"I will give you the money for it when you get here." What you are describing to me is a hooker in normal girl's clothing. And I am not afraid to call them out if they rear their ugly head. Either you can be a hooker or you can be a girlfriend. You can not be both.

Also gifts. Where does all of this goodheartedness come from? I rarely give a chick anything for her birthday, and never anything like gold or diamonds. I have never given my own mother or daughter gold or diamonds. I will give them a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or in rare occaisions a pair of shoes maybe; but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1154871]For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"![/QUOTE]So you assert that this "cream of the crop" only consists of physical attributes. You can put all of these combinations together and still have someone who is ugly as sin. This also takes for granted that everyone likes women who are young and slim which I doubt is the case.

Sure age, weight, and body fat can be quantitavely measured but the other things are purely subjective so their fit will vary from person to person."To me her lips are sexy but to you they are butt ugly and hideous." I would never choose a real world girlfriend soley on the physical attributes because these things have a high propensity for change. I would never choose a real girlfriend under 25 because until that age neither their minds nor bodies have not settled into who they will be for the long run. Think back to high school. At 18 she was elegant, but at the 10 year reunion she was an elephant.

I definitely would not choose a serious mate or girlfriend who has not at least finished high school. And she better have at least some university experience if she doesn't have a good job. I have an MBA and would look like a plum fool by being unequally yoked with a woman who has not even finished high school. The thing is that everybody's cream of the crop is different. You can point to magazine covers all you want, but that stuff is mostly make-up, hair styling, and airbrush. In other words smoke and mirrors. And the real world is not fantasy land.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155013]I will give them a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or in rare occaisions a pair of shoes maybe; but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.[/QUOTE]How long have you stayed in Thailand with the same "normal" girlfriend on a daily basis? I'm guessing that it has not been very long yet.

Interesting conversations and viewpoints.

As far as I am concerned, I enjoy both. I may have the chance that, for me, money is not an issue. But I do not find non P4P girls to be that expensive.

Anyway, just do what you feel is good and don't lose sight of what is important in every relationship (P4P or Not) , HAVE FUN

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154848]To me every woman is average. Cream of the Crop / Quality is a term thrown around pretty loosely on this board when talking about women, whether pro or non-pro […]

But when we speak about women what is cream of the crop? Are we basing it on her level of education? How much money she has in the bank? How much money her parents have in the bank? How many friends she has? How old she is? How much she weighs? How tall she is? Her skin tone? The type of job she has? What material possessions she has? If she has kids or not? Or are we talking in terms of subjectivity here where to each his own and everyone has their own idea of what it is and it may vary?[/QUOTE]
I did not want to pursue the discussion started some time ago about the girls' real value on the local market, but it seems that some people here don't understand that yes, there are several objective criteria to evaluate it. It does not matter what your own taste is. Here, in Thailand, a girl with a fair complexion has more value than a similar girl whose skin is darker, a girl who has not been pregnant yet has more value than one who is already a mother, an 18-year old girl has more value than a more mature woman (by the way, many local girls consider that they are already old when they are over 25!), etc.

I much prefer eating mangoes (or guavas!) than [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian"]durians[/url]. That's great for me, because mangoes and guavas are much cheaper. As I know the market prices, I would never pay the price of durians for buying mangoes, even if for me, mangoes are more delicious.

Same thing for the local girls: a young tall slim fair-skinned university student originating from an upper-middle class family has much more value in Thailand than a mature dark-skinned undereducated mother coming from a poor rural village of Isaan. You might have more fun and better sex with the latter, but the former is higher placed on the local scale of girls' value, and it's obvious for everyone who has spent enough time in Thailand outside of the [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1147000&viewfull=1#post1147000"]tourist-oriented zoos[/url].

Look at the “Sin Sot” (wedding dowry) amounts that the local males are disbursing to marry a Thai woman, and you will get a pretty good idea of what kinds of women are the “cream of the crop” and who are those that have very little value. You might disagree with their taste and criteria, but it doesn't change the fact that the market value of the local girls is not as subjective as you and other members might think.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155013]... but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.[/QUOTE]
That's what most rich Thais (for instance) do with their "mia noi" (= "mistress" or "second wife")!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155019]The thing is that everybody's cream of the crop is different. You can point to magazine covers all you want, but that stuff is mostly make-up, hair styling, and airbrush. In other words smoke and mirrors. And the real world is not fantasy land.[/QUOTE]I'm not pointing to magazine covers. Just follow the money in BKK and you will see the cream of the crop and they are not hanging out with foreigners. They are hanging with rich Thais who are spending tons of cash on them. Thais have plenty of money these days to "keep" them exclusive.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that there aren't pretty, sexy women outside of the cream, its just that cream is at a level that very few, especially foreigners, can get. And that cream isn't going to go hang out with you and eat chicken rice on the cheap table on the side of the road with you on a first date. LOL.

So back to my original point: Cream of the crop Thai girls are more expensive than p4p girls. It's not rocket science!

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1155050]I'm not pointing to magazine covers. Just follow the money in BKK and you will see the cream of the crop and they are not hanging out with foreigners. They are hanging with rich Thais who are spending tons of cash on them. Thais have plenty of money these days to "keep" them exclusive.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that there aren't pretty, sexy women outside of the cream, its just that cream is at a level that very few, especially foreigners, can get. And that cream isn't going to go hang out with you and eat chicken rice on the cheap table on the side of the road with you on a first date. LOL.

So back to my original point: Cream of the crop Thai girls are more expensive than p4p girls. It's not rocket science! [/QUOTE]I love these debates. Hehehe.

But wait. Aren't these discussions why we were segregated to the Expats threads in the first place?

Careful guys, we have fucked up massage threads that are split in 3, an expat section for every post that is not about which is the cheapest ST joint and which girl blows the best in which bar. Thanks to the work of some crybabies on this forum, so if we don't want these fuckers to go cry to the admin, we should move this discussion to the Expat section.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1155043]That's what most rich Thais (for instance) do with their "mia noi" (= "mistress" or "second wife")![/QUOTE]Same happens in China. When one is rich can dispose of his money the way he likes. And that is not going to add any fuel to the evergoing debate on prices. For sure!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1155105]... When one is rich can dispose of his money the way he likes...[/QUOTE]
Biased and incorrect deduction. Those rich Thais would never spend any money on girls of substandard quality (by local norms): their mistresses are usually not in the same league than what is available for the average foreigner in Thailand.

Again, it's all about the local market value of the girls. The rich Thais would not spend a single baht for banging the girls (well, most of them) that one can see in the photo gallery and they would be absolutely ashamed of being seen in their company.

Don't underestimate the importance of not "losing face" in Southeast Asia: a rich Thai doesn't always spend his money the way he likes, but often considering the gain in status that he may obtain with his spendings (and then showing off his expensive car, beautiful house, white-skinned young mistress, etc.).

On the advice of Nic I have continued the debate in the Expat thread.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1036-Thai-Women-Opinions-amp-Advice&p=1155133&viewfull=1#post1155133[/url]

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1155115]Biased and incorrect deduction. Those rich Thais would never spend any money on girls of substandard quality (by local norms) : their mistresses are usually not in the same league than what is available for the average foreigner in Thailand.

Again, it's all about the local market value of the girls. The rich Thais would not spend a single baht for banging the girls (well, most of them) that one can see in the photo gallery and they would be absolutely ashamed of being seen in their company.

Don't underestimate the importance of not "losing face" in Southeast Asia: a rich Thai doesn't always spend his money the way he likes, but often considering the gain in status that he may obtain with his spendings (and then showing off his expensive car, beautiful house, white-skinned young mistress, etc.). [/QUOTE]I agree on this.

But the example started from "how much one man (rich local guy) can put to have a second wife or a date": my point ws simialr: they have their own standard and can care the less of the market based on our standards. That market has different standards"

Hello! I have been planning my first trip to BK, and have gotten much great info from this forum. Thank you all.

I would like to ask, though, if anyone has recently been to Rose Massage, Sukhumvit Soi 22. I searched the forum but only saw report / references from 2009. Which seems like lots of time for things to change. They (of course) have a lovely gallery, but we all know how great photoshop can be.

Thanks in advance! I'll put up reports of my trip (first 2 weeks of June-hey, it's when I could go.) when I get back.

LS

Why continue this in the expat thread? Do you assume non-expats can't get non-pros? Wrong assumption.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1154879]As an expat you can do P4P once a week and that's enough. Which isn't so expensive. Normal girls are more expensive because you end up spending more time with them.[/QUOTE]But then you have to compare that price-wise with meeting your normal girlfriend once a week as well, which isn't very usual. The average guy sleeps with his girl more than once a week.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155013]This only means that guys need to stop being suckers and falling for someone who only wants them for their money or material possessions.[/QUOTE]+1.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1155020]How long have you stayed in Thailand with the same "normal" girlfriend on a daily basis? I'm guessing that it has not been very long yet.[/QUOTE]

The question wasn't for me but I'll comment anyway ;)

My experience in Thailand is limited but I've lived in China for a long time, where a lot of people will also tell you it's impossible to keep a girl for a long time without spending money on her, gifts, fancy dinners etc. It hasn't been my experience there at all. Not at all.

So far in Thailand I can't say that I've needed to spend much to keep my non-pros happy. In fact I've been fucking with a pro for free for weeks now (and going dutch on everything we do outside the bedroom). It all depends on what you bring to the table. I love spending my time with women and making them happy . Not by buying them gifts but by giving them a good time. They are happy with me, and thus don't feel like they need to be paid for it.

Some guys like PinkPearl commented below, can't stand being with girls except for sex, which I would imagine doesn't make them the best companion (and I don't mean this as a personal attack, PinkPearl. To each his own. I'm sure you are better than me at a poker table.). In that case creating a connection is harder and money might be needed to keep a girl interested for a long time.

There seem to be a lot of guys who can't give a girl a good time to save their lives, and who comment on how it's impossible to keep a girl without paying her. Well duh.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1155165]Why continue this in the expat thread? Do you assume non-expats can't get non-pros? Wrong assumption.[/QUOTE]Not at all, but the point is not to junk up the thread for regular mongers who are looking for P4P in BKK. But here is a copy of what I put in that thread.

The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro. I never dated rich women in my home country so why would I normally do it in Thailand. Sure we can agree that dating Angelina Jolie or Naomi Campbell we would spend more money than LT with #43 at Rainbow Bar. But how many farang in Thailand are dating or have dated a woman as such here or back home? When I entered into the debate I understood by "non-pro" we were talking about everyday office workers, nurses, schoolteachers, etc. I did not know the debate was to include college students who are driving their father's Rolls Royce or 25 year old corporate executives who are making millions of baht per year.

I am from an average middle class family and have noticed that for the most part people around the world date within their own socioeconomic group. I still hold fast to my observation, experience and hypothesis that a non-pro Thai woman is not as expensive as P4P. If a woman already comes from money why the hell would she need money and gifts from you? It seems to reason that whatever she wanted she could buy for herself or her family would provide for her.

Again, I have been coming to Thailand for 5 years and have been living here 1 year. I am not the settling down type, but of 3 non-pros who I have been involved with consistently over the last 4 years (one is in real estate, one is a school teacher, and one is a government worker) they have never once asked me for any money or any gifts, unless it was something small for their birthday. And even then they could care less what the present was. Sure they have told me many times that they want to marry me and I have told them just as many times that I don't want to get married. But I have never had any of them or any other non-pro ask me for money or gifts. I even have a friend who I have known for the same 4 years that wants me to make a baby with her, yet does not want me to support the baby, raise the baby or even see the baby thereafter. The only thing a real non-pro has ever asked of me was my time.

To me asking for money or gifts is skating in P4P territory. And the several Thais that I have had this talk with have said the same. Maybe the guy starts off trying to play Mr. Big Money and is forced to stay the course. Maybe the girl is just a bi*tch (read working girl) to begin with. If you run out of money and the woman is still with you then that is a non-pro. But if you run out of money or stop spending money and likewise went your Thai girl then she was never non-pro to begin with. She was with your money, not with you.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155172].when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro.[/QUOTE]That's not what we were talking about at the beginning; we were talking about pros vs non-pros in general.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155172]If a woman already comes from money why the hell would she need money and gifts from you? It seems to reason that whatever she wanted she could buy for herself or her family would provide for her.[/QUOTE]I would agree. I've dated several rich girls (not in Thailand though, but in Asia and elsewhere) and money was not an issue at all. One shouldn't confuse the gold-diggers who walk around Siam Paragon with the real Hi-so girls. If you have been Hi-so from birth, you couldn't care less about being taken to brunch at the Sukohtai. You've been there a thousand times before. Yes, for marriage they might want a rich or highly accomplished guy due to family expectations, for dating or fun though, in my experience money matters very little to them. They can buy all the fun they want with daddy's credit card.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1155171]In fact I've been fucking with a pro for free for weeks now (and going dutch on everything we do outside the bedroom).[/QUOTE]
With a pro, not with a "normal girl". That's not unusual to get freebies with pros, especially when you still are a young and attractive guy. They easily earn much more money than the average "normal girl" and because they usually are undereducated and come from a poor family, the only way for them to earn some respect (or face) in this country is to flash their cash. It is also sometimes an investment for the future and she's probably hoping that you will marry her someday.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1155181]One shouldn't confuse the gold-diggers who walk around Siam Paragon with the real Hi-so girls...[/QUOTE]The real Hi-So girls don't go out with the average foreigner in Thailand. Very few foreigners have the money and the connections to meet a real Hi-So girl in Asia.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1155181]I've dated several rich girls (not in Thailand though, but in Asia and elsewhere) and money was not an issue at all. One shouldn't confuse the gold-diggers who walk around Siam Paragon with the real Hi-so girls. If you have been Hi-so from birth, you couldn't care less about being taken to brunch at the Sukohtai. You've been there a thousand times before. Yes, for marriage they might want a rich or highly accomplished guy due to family expectations, for dating or fun though, in my experience money matters very little to them. They can buy all the fun they want with daddy's credit card.[/QUOTE]You have no experience dating rich Thai girls, so how do you know what rich Thai girls want?

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1155214]That's not unusual to get freebies with pros, especially when you still are a young and attractive guy.[/QUOTE]Every pro in the whole fucking world fucks some guys for free. It's human nature. It's nothing special really!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1155222]Every pro in the whole fucking world fucks some guys for free. It's human nature. It's nothing special really![/QUOTE]Agreed, have got a few from a few, but you can't assume with pros. You want to be told explicitly that you don't have to pay anything, so there are no misunderstandings, unless you have a standing arrangement that all sex is free.

I experienced one, where still was expected to pay her at her work place, due to using up her earning hours, but those outside of her working hours were free. Gets a bit confusing.

In the end it averaged out to be a discount, sort of. Even when you get freebies, you still end up spending money on the girl one way or another.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155172]To me asking for money or gifts is skating in P4P territory. And the several Thais that I have had this talk with have said the same.[/QUOTE]This seems like rubbish to me to lump asking for money and asking for gifts in the same basket.

Girls in general like gifts, pro or not, Thai or Farang, rich or poor, and if they know you well are likely to either hint or suggest,"if you love me, I would really like.". Gifts are very normal for New Year, Birthdays, St Valentines day, and even on no special occasion.

Continuous requests, especially for gold, is another matter altogether, and is definitely pro behaviour.

I have also experienced requests to borrow money from non-Pro Thais in desperate situations. The big problem is that its unlikely to be repaid in full. Thais are very unreliable at paying back loans, so you must assume that you are being asked for a donation, mostly.

Cynics like me don't see massive differences between pros and girls marrying for money. Normally a pro would be quite willing to retire and marry for money.

It is nice though, when a pro wants to spend her free time with you and fuck for free, just because she really needs someone to care and she really likes the sex.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155172]
The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro [...]

Again, I have been coming to Thailand for 5 years and have been living here 1 year. I am not the settling down type, but of 3 non-pros who I have been involved with consistently over the last 4 years (one is in real estate, one is a school teacher, and one is a government worker) they have never once asked me for any money or any gifts, unless it was something small for their birthday. And even then they could care less what the present was. Sure they have told me many times that they want to marry me and I have told them just as many times that I don't want to get married. But I have never had any of them or any other non-pro ask me for money or gifts. I even have a friend who I have known for the same 4 years that wants me to make a baby with her, yet does not want me to support the baby, raise the baby or even see the baby thereafter...[/QUOTE]
You probably haven't stayed with a “normal woman” long enough… or you only go out with local women who don't have much hope anymore in upgrading their own status on the social ladder (for instance, mature divorcees with children).

In Thailand, it's very important for a woman to get married to someone (or having a regular boyfriend) of at least the same status, but usually of a better one, than herself. Even with Thai men, a woman will try to gain something in the relationship (wealth and/or a better position in the society being the most common goals). Why would a Thai woman have a relationship with a foreigner if she does not gain anything, especially if the foreigner is much older, not very attractive, does not speak her language, does not share the same values nor the same interests in life, doesn't know much about her culture (which is, you must admit it, quite often the case here)?

In most cases, the main appeal of a foreigner is his (relative) wealth compared to those of the local guys (the men that this specific “normal woman” could get married to, and if a woman can espouse a rich Thai man, she usually won't be available to the average foreigners). Sooner or later, a “normal woman” who is in a relationship with a foreigner will naturally obtain what she wants (or the relationship does not last long): a better status in life and/or some material possessions, in accordance to her value on the local market (at least, and better if she can).

It could be more or less costly to entertain a “normal woman” depending on the length of the relationship and of the woman's status in the Thai society, for instance, but it's also more or less expensive to have sex with a P4P equivalent (in looks, as it's mainly this criteria that is really important on the P4P market) of the “normal woman” with whom you have a relationship.

Look at the “normal women” that most foreigners go out with. They are usually far than being placed very high on the Thai social ladder (or they are mature divorcees with children, for instance), which means that they have very little value on the local market (they know it, and are therefore low-maintenance women). So, their P4P counterparts are not the most expensive escort girls, but rather the cheap freelancers or brothel-based sex workers. Those are the girls that a long-term resident can usually fuck for as low as 300 or 500 baht (you will find them for instance in Chinatown in Bangkok, on Beach Road in Pattaya, among the streetwalkers or in a local brothel in probably every province, etc.) or even cheaper.

By the way, the discussion was not only about the cost of a relationship with a “hi-so” girl. What was said is that if you want to fuck young and attractive (by local standards) girls, it's often more costly with (allegedly) “non-pro” than with prostitutes, especially for the average foreigner who is often much older, less attractive (etc.) than the girls that he wants to have sex with. It's of course probably less true if you are going out with older and less attractive women (again, according to the local standards).

But even with those older and less attractive women, the more you stay with them, the less frequently you will fuck them, and the more you will have to spend money and time on various things that you would have not paid or done with prostitutes. For many people, it's not that easy to refuse to help someone with whom you are in a long-term relationship.

Many people end up marrying and/or having children with their long-term local girlfriend (and that's not unusual for them to then pay for some land, a car, a house, help her to start a business, etc.). Thai women can be very patient and they are not as stupid as some foreigners might think (they often are more clever than the average Joe when dealing with feelings and are great relationship strategists). By the way, many "normal girls", even nowadays, wouldn't have sex before marriage in Thailand (and the groom must pay the wedding dowry before being granted the bride's sexual favors).

Oh, and call me a cynic, but I would not believe a woman who asks me to make her a baby and who says that I won't have to take care of the child later… Just do it, and tell us in twenty years how costly was the experience!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1155136]That market has different standards...[/QUOTE]
No. There is only one standard for the real value of Thai women on the local market. But many foreigners are taken advantage of in the tourist-oriented zoos and end up paying inflated prices for substandard quality. Not only on the P4P market, by the way...

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1155214]With a pro, not with a "normal girl".[/QUOTE]No, I've been in Asia for a decade and had the attitude described with all my girls, the vast majority of them non-pros. It is simply not true in my experience that you have to spend a lot on a girl (Asian or not) to keep her interested. Unless maybe one doesn't know how to treat a girl, or one is 70 years old and 100 pounds overweight and has to compensate for that.

I understand that a lot of readers on this board are older and maybe not interested in spending time and emotional investment in a girl, and prefer to just buy sexual services. Nothing wrong with that, that's what this board is for, to purchase sexual services from pros. But it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a girl (pro or not) like you for you, and want you for you. It doesn't mean it's accurate to assume that all women (including non-pros) are after money. Nothing could be further from the truth IMHO.

Women are just human beings and they want someone fun and someone who cares. This is more important to them than money in most cases (with the exceptions of hardened pros and gold-diggers, a very small minority of all women). It is therefore very possible to have a girl like you and stay with you even while spending very little money. Even if she has other guys throwing more money at her than you ever will.

Opposing views are always welcome but the above has been my experience, and verified over and over again for a pretty long time by now.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1154807]It depends on the quality of the girl.

In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market. [/QUOTE]I have a list of girls I can bang anytime and for pretty much free, with just the cost of a meal and movie BUT they are either not very pretty or a bit overweight.

Thailand has a whole hoard of unattractive women who cannot get fucked by Thais who are desperate to land a farang and get some sex as they know some older farang men will compromise on beauty for cheap sex.

Thats the trouble with these forums, people compare apples to pears and melons to oranges and why there will always be misunderstanding and disagreement.

If you want a pretty little Thai girl on your arm, for dinner, movies, shopping and sex its going to cost you a whole lot more money than simply banging a working girl. And a different one each night if you want.

There was a time recently when I was in a bar and 10 of the girls I had banged in the past, and I left with another new one. Thats the pleasure of P4P.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1154668]I 100% agree! Usually non working girls end up much more than working girl. Not to mentioned if feeling is involve at the end.

Best is to take different girls every night and no string attached.

[b]I like this phrase" you pay them to go away after the sex"[/b]

Cheers,

MD[/QUOTE]Its the concept that those who do not monger, or monger very little cannot comprehend.

I pay the girl to go away.

By taking the money and departing she has no claim to call me unless I want to call her, she has no claim to speak to me next time she see's me unless I want to speak to her. She has provided a service, I have paid and now she goes away.

They say you pay for sex. No. Wrong. You pay the girl to go away and leave you able to enjoy hot sex with absolutely no emotional or any other kind of attachment before or after the event.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1155276]No, I've been in Asia for a decade and had the attitude described with all my girls, the vast majority of them non-pros. It is simply not true in my experience that you have to spend a lot on a girl (Asian or not) to keep her interested. Unless maybe one doesn't know how to treat a girl, or one is 70 years old and 100 pounds overweight and has to compensate for that.

I understand that a lot of readers on this board are older and maybe not interested in spending time and emotional investment in a girl, and prefer to just buy sexual services. Nothing wrong with that, that's what this board is for, to purchase sexual services from pros. But it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a girl (pro or not) like you for you, and want you for you. It doesn't mean it's accurate to assume that all women (including non-pros) are after money. Nothing could be further from the truth IMHO.

Women are just human beings and they want someone fun and someone who cares. This is more important to them than money in most cases (with the exceptions of hardened pros and gold-diggers, a very small minority of all women). It is therefore very possible to have a girl like you and stay with you even while spending very little money. Even if she has other guys throwing more money at her than you ever will.

Opposing views are always welcome but the above has been my experience, and verified over and over again for a pretty long time by now. [/QUOTE]Chill Out has made a very valid observation. I have been visiting Thailand for a long many years now. Like most of us, I started with a greater inclination towards the P4P girls. You meet all kinds of women and some experiences are good and others forgettable. Over the years, I realized that it does work out better if one goes with the same girl. It adds a level of comfort and one does get better service.

Of late, however, I have made friends with some ladies who are not part of the regular P4P circles. They run their own businesses or have regular jobs. For the past couple of years, I have been taking a lady who runs her own business out to various places for a holiday. It works fine: she enjoys a break as much as I do. The payout is not much and she does not expect any extras. She takes very good care of me in all respects and I get to learn more about the country and its people through her.

Perhaps looking beyond the P4P circles has some advantages!

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1155276]But it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a girl (pro or not) like you for you, and want you for you. It doesn't mean it's accurate to assume that all women (including non-pros) are after money. Nothing could be further from the truth IMHO...[/QUOTE]
In most species (it applies to the human race too), females are looking for security. That's true in Thailand, in China ([url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-12/17/content_11715582.htm[/url]), everywhere around the world, and for women, security translates in money and/or power.

Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun, at least when they are still able (or willing to) procreate. Many young adult women want to get married to (or have children with) a wealthy enough man who will take care of them and satisfy their (emotional, but also material) needs and that's usually when a "normal woman" starts to become more costly on a per fuck basis than a prostitute.

Saying that non-pros (especially Asian women for whom gaining face is very important) are not after money shows that you don't understand this part of the world very well or are still very young and have not been yet in a serious and long enough relationship with a local "non-pro" girl.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1155325]Its the concept that those who do not monger, or monger very little cannot comprehend.

I pay the girl to go away.

By taking the money and departing she has no claim to call me unless I want to call her, she has no claim to speak to me next time she see's me unless I want to speak to her. She has provided a service, I have paid and now she goes away.

They say you pay for sex. No. Wrong. You pay the girl to go away and leave you able to enjoy hot sex with absolutely no emotional or any other kind of attachment before or after the event. [/QUOTE]So true so true!

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur; 1155355]In most species (it applies to the human race too) , females are looking for security. That's true in Thailand, in China:

[url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-12/17/content_11715582.htm[/url]

Everywhere around the world, and for women, security translates in money and / or power.

Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun, at least when they are still able (or willing to) procreate. Many young adult women want to get married to (or have children with) a wealthy enough man who will take care of them and satisfy their (emotional, but also material) needs and that's usually when a "normal woman" starts to become more costly on a per fuck basis than a prostitute.

Saying that non-pros (especially Asian women for whom gaining face is very important) are not after money shows that you don't understand this part of the world very well or are still very young and have not been yet in a serious and long enough relationship with a local "non-pro" girl. [/QUOTE]I have to agree on your statement and know that women getting beyond the 30ties tend to rate security and wealth of the partner or father to be miles above age and good looks. This is as well in the Western World but also in Asia true. On a straight forward costing point P4P might be the cheaper option in many cases. So let's enjoy our hobby and the offers Bangkok has to make!

Google for the book 'Sexploitation'. There are some classic quotes and wisdom in there. Broadly, women want the 'best deal'. Sometimes the law is used to alter the natural rules of the jungle. Sometimes men and women have misplaced valuations on their worth. The good thing about LOS is that it is a free market. It may not be about money now, but come splitsville in 1, 10, or more years, it IS all about money.

Enjoy Pattaya. Free of bullshit, and a standout of free market success in action.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1155218]The real Hi-So girls don't go out with the average foreigner in Thailand. Very few foreigners have the money and the connections to meet a real Hi-So girl in Asia.[/QUOTE]Hi-so girls won't go for foreigners even if said foreigner has money. I've lived in Thailand for 4 years and I very very rarely see a beautiful Hi-so girl with a foreigner, and even then, they are nothing to shout about. The girls like you see on the magazine covers want nothing to do with us, and most Hi-so girls won't even look at us. Foreigners are considered to be beneath them. They want to marry a rich Thai guy (preferably Thai-Chinese) with white skin. Keep in mind that Thais want to marry their own kind (much like Korea. They want a "pure blood" race) and being with a foreigner will cause them to lose face. Don't kid yourself into thinking that you're rescuing these girls from poverty. The Isaan girls go with us because they want money and they know that they have little chance of landing a good Thai man (most Isaan men a scum of the earth). But the Bangkok girls who are tall, white, and have good jobs and good families? Forget it. Like I said, they won't even look at us.

I did go out with a Hi-so girl for a few months. She was pretty, but she was not beautiful. She was a bit short and about 3 kgs overweight. Honestly it was a nightmare. The amount of money I spent on the slight possibility that she'd fuck me was insane. I quickly lost interest.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]I pay the girl to go away.[/QUOTE]Not me. I pay the girl to come and have fun with me. I enjoy a woman's company. To each his own. :)

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]I have a list of girls I can bang anytime and for pretty much free, with just the cost of a meal and movie BUT they are either not very pretty or a bit overweight.[/QUOTE]My free pro charges 4K for 90 mins in a high-end shop in BKK and 6 to 10 K (usually 8K) a night when she freelances. I've seen (and answered myself) enough SMS from her clients to know this is true. So she is hot enough. So were the few non-pros I had on this trip.

At one point I moved into a non-pro's home because she wanted me to be closer to her and save on hotel costs. I stayed at her seaview bungalow for 10 days, no paying a dime on accommodation. No extravagant gifts or costly dinners were asked, or offered. I did buy her a little gift for 150 baths or so, and bought her some dinners and massages. She bought me another small gift and bought me some dinners and massages. We came out around even in the end.

It's not all about money.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]If you want a pretty little Thai girl on your arm, for dinner, movies, shopping and sex its going to cost you a whole lot more money than simply banging a working girl.[/QUOTE]Just not true. If I had had to pay the non-pro I just mentioned for every night I spent with her, based on 15 nights or so x 2000 LT, that's 30K. Based on 3K LT, that's 45K. Based on 4000 LT, that's 60K. In what world do you spend that much on a normal girl in 2 weeks? I don't think I ended up even 1000 baths in the red. Even a single LT night in BKK would have been more costly.

BTW the girl was front desk management in a nice hotel. She wasn't hired for being ugly. ;) University grad, too.

What is the mathematical argument to say non-pros are more expensive? I still haven't seen it. Let's use 2K a night LT, which is certainly a discount rate already for girls that are "not overweight or ugly". Let's say you don't pay for any beers or anything else when you do P4P. And again that's a stretch. So you have a 2K budget. Do you really need to spend 2K on a normal girl, every time you meet her, to get somewhere? If not then where is the "more expensive" argument coming from?

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]There was a time recently when I was in a bar and 10 of the girls I had banged in the past, and I left with another new one. Thats the pleasure of P4P.[/QUOTE]No disagreement here. :)

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1155325]Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun[/QUOTE]Here you do have a point. Girls over 27-28, in Asia, start to worry about marriage. They do look for security. In my experience it still doesn't mean you have to wine and dine them that much. But it does mean they will screen you out early if you are a broke English teacher smoking pot. Their standards become higher. And they need a commitment quicker.

But you are just changing the terms of the argument here. We weren't talking about P4P vs 29-year-olds who want to get married, we were talking P4P vs non-pros. There are plenty, plenty of 18-26 years-old non-pros in Asia who will be glad to be with you for you, no money needed.

I have had pretty good luck with fresh massage place girls before they get jaded. I had one girl from Pattaya who was just 18 and got a job at a massage parlor. I guess I met her within first few days of her work. She was a virgin and we were together for two years. Did not cost me much money except I had to pay some money to her work place to take her on vacations to Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam etc. She was not money hungry and was well satisfied with small gifts. In the course of two years she had learned the trick of making money. She is very pretty with white skin from northern Thailand.

After ablout a year I senses that she was selling herself to customers and could see the change. Since I was not planning to marry her or support her I did not make a issue of it.

All normal girls will be the same. Initially they will not be jaded but once they find out how to make or demand money and expensive gifts they change. After they change they will not be satisfied with small gifts.

But the fun is different with normal girls than p4p girls. We had very good time while it lasted.

Just spent 5 days on Solo Hotel, Suk 2. Just a walk to Nana Plaza. 1600 baht a day (through Agoda). No joiner fee and no odd looks when you bring girls. They get the ID of the girl and always call to your room before giving it back to her. I found this reasuring. It has a swimming pool at the roof with great views, large enouth to make exercise.

First time I visited the gogo bars, and still not sure if I like them, but definitely a intense experience. I would recommend specially Mandarin, low floor. The girls are supposed to be "second class", dark skin (all the people go to the second floor) but they really now how to create an intense and sexual ambient. Be careful as there is a LB hanging around there.

Regarding the price, I found there's a long way to follow, and you can definitely get away paying much less than it is said. But you risk crosing the fine line between having a good time with a girl and woman trafficking so I'm not going to extend much in this. In general I think is best to pay what you are asked and avoid places with too much discipline.

Hope this help you enjoy your time with these angels. Now time for me to go back to another world.

I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.

The GoGo bars. There's so much talk of the goo bars on this forum. If it's your first time to BKK you should go. Standard costs are 500/600b bar fine and 1500 short time / 2500 long time plus all of the drinks you buy. In my opinion, these girls seem the most jaded / worn out. I haven't been wowed by a dancer. By the time you have some drinks, buy the girls drinks, pay the bar fine etc, the gogo bars are not all that cheap. Maybe I've just had bad luck with them. And the girl you thought was an 8 on stage is really a 6 when you get her home. For me there are better options. However, I did have a great time with a couple of the ladies that work out in front of Shark pulling customers in. Having said all that, I can still have fun at these places periodically even if I don't take a girl home.

Massage Parlors. I didn't go to any of these places for a long time. I suspect that a shop that is great today might suck tomorrow as girls leave and move on. Once I was taking cover from a monsoon down pour at Thonglor station and noticed Tulip massage. I thought what the hell. Went in, the ladies weren't attractive, but I was horny and it was raining so I went for it. I was less than impressed and will not go back. Sleazy facilities. Based on posts I read on this site, I ordered take out from Mango a couple of times (Apple and Cherry individually). I have to say they are way up there on the price / performance scale. Both are a lot of fun and enjoy their work. I visited the Mango shop once and did not care for the facilities. I'd rather order take out. I've also been to Pink and EZ on soi 24. EZ was OK, facilities not great, but it was OK. No real desire to go back. At Pink I had a great time. Splurged for their large room with a hot tub and the girl, whose name I forget, she loved sex. I think she appreciated the large room. Paid for two hours but stayed for three, then the lady down stairs wanted more money for staying too long. Too bad for her. In general, I thought Pink had a nice line up of girls.

Amsterdam: This is an upscale (relative to soi 24) massage place that caters to Japanese. It used to be called Champs-Elysées. It was recommended by a friend that has way too much money. The rooms are large, have whirlpools, and the girls can be very nice. I've been here 4 times and twice I left without choosing a girl. Costs are 3000-5000 for 2 hours in a nice room with a whirlpool and mattress for a soapy massage. I like the soapy massages. Each time I paid it was a bit over 4000, after negotiating from 5000. Please, no complaints. Both girls were fantastic. In selling one of the girls to me, the mamasan claimed one posed for the Thai Penthouse magazine. I didn't believe her but I cross examined the young lady once we were in the room and she volunteered that she had posed for the magazine. She looked good enough to be in the magazine. It really didn't matter as I had a fantastic time with her. A few months later I ran into her at Spasso and had an even better time, minus the soapy.

Q-Bar / Bed Supperclub: If you are into the type of scene (DJ's, loud music, browsed, bumping, dancing, hip music) these venues offer they can be a lot of fun. These are places where you can have fun with hot women, dancing, drinking, and then take them home at the end of the night. Some girls will have their own bottles of whiskey / vodka. Try to hook up with some of them and you may be drinking for free! Q-Bar on ladies night, Wednesdays I think, is packed with woman after midnight. And you might just get a freebie for the night or more. Or you may be negotiating.

Spasso / Barsu / five star hotel bars: You can find some really nice ladies at these bars. There is crossover between these and the Q-Bar / Bed supperclub scene. I've never paid more than 3500b at these places, although some girls will ask more a lot more. During a stay at a five star hotel, I was taking my then girl friend back to her car. As we walked through the lobby and I saw a girl that looked 1/2 thai and 1/2 brazilian walk into the lobby bar. So after I kissed my girl good bye in the garage, I darted to my room, dressed respectably, and raced back down to the bar. My guess was wrong. This girl was from Madagascar. We left and she took me out to a couple of bars before we returned to my hotel for a great night. While walking with her to the elevator the next morning, she starts crying. I ask what's wrong and she weeps "I usually get money for doing this". I acted dumfounded and gave her 2500b. She was back later in the afternoon. Which leads me to:

Negotiating: I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.

And anywhere: try your luck anywhere. Try to strike up a conversation. I've been lucky at food carts of all places. No kidding. Just play dumb and ask a good looking lady "what's that your ordering" or "is that good". Get the conversation started. Worst case scenario she looks at you like the fool you are. Best case scenario you get a dinner date with a local that can show you things in Bangkok that you will never find on your own and maybe she spends the night or more. In both of my successes I was in non-tourist areas and certainly not the Nana / Patpong / Soi Cowboy corridors.

Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.

Beergarden: Not a bad place for a cold 3PM beer. It's rare that you will find a darling here but if you are looking for a cheap mid afternoon damp spot this might be your place. It's such a scene to take in. I did take a cutie from here one Sunday afternoon. Short girl, clean, very well spoken English, seemed out of place there, and no mention of price! I saw her a couple of times since.

Climax / Insomnia: What a scene in these after hours clubs. If you are up for a long night. 5AM or 6AM I think they are worth a visit.

(Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic.)

When I attempt to pull up "Escortpictures. Com" I don't get any direct hit. Any chance this site is no longer in service or has been renamed?

Leaving for Bangkok in about a month, and I have to say that I found much of interest in your post. I tend to favor places like Gullivers or other pool places earlier in the evening to later move on to Spice Club / Climax or Insomnia later on. Guess that's my thing =) Although, after reading your post you have given me some alternatives to look into.

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Ivanba; 1155685]I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.

The GoGo bars. There's so much talk of the goo bars on this forum. If it's your first time to BKK you should go. Standard costs are 500/600b bar fine and 1500 short time / 2500 long time plus all of the drinks you buy. In my opinion, these girls seem the most jaded / worn out. I haven't been wowed by a dancer. By the time you have some drinks, buy the girls drinks, pay the bar fine etc, the gogo bars are not all that cheap. Maybe I've just had bad luck with them. And the girl you thought was an 8 on stage is really a 6 when you get her home. For me there are better options. However, I did have a great time with a couple of the ladies that work out in front of Shark pulling customers in. Having said all that, I can still have fun at these places periodically even if I don't take a girl home.

Massage Parlors. I didn't go to any of these places for a long time. I suspect that a shop that is great today might suck tomorrow as girls leave and move on. Once I was taking cover from a monsoon down pour at Thonglor station and noticed Tulip massage. I thought what the hell. Went in, the ladies weren't attractive, but I was horny and it was raining so I went for it. I was less than impressed and will not go back. Sleazy facilities. Based on posts I read on this site, I ordered take out from Mango a couple of times (Apple and Cherry individually). I have to say they are way up there on the price / performance scale. Both are a lot of fun and enjoy their work. I visited the Mango shop once and did not care for the facilities. I'd rather order take out. I've also been to Pink and EZ on soi 24. EZ was OK, facilities not great, but it was OK. No real desire to go back. At Pink I had a great time. Splurged for their large room with a hot tub and the girl, whose name I forget, she loved sex. I think she appreciated the large room. Paid for two hours but stayed for three, then the lady down stairs wanted more money for staying too long. Too bad for her. In general, I thought Pink had a nice line up of girls.

Amsterdam: This is an upscale (relative to soi 24) massage place that caters to Japanese. It used to be called Champs-Elysées. It was recommended by a friend that has way too much money. The rooms are large, have whirlpools, and the girls can be very nice. I've been here 4 times and twice I left without choosing a girl. Costs are 3000-5000 for 2 hours in a nice room with a whirlpool and mattress for a soapy massage. I like the soapy massages. Each time I paid it was a bit over 4000, after negotiating from 5000. Please, no complaints. Both girls were fantastic. In selling one of the girls to me, the mamasan claimed one posed for the Thai Penthouse magazine. I didn't believe her but I cross examined the young lady once we were in the room and she volunteered that she had posed for the magazine. She looked good enough to be in the magazine. It really didn't matter as I had a fantastic time with her. A few months later I ran into her at Spasso and had an even better time, minus the soapy.

Q-Bar / Bed Supperclub: If you are into the type of scene (DJ's, loud music, browsed, bumping, dancing, hip music) these venues offer they can be a lot of fun. These are places where you can have fun with hot women, dancing, drinking, and then take them home at the end of the night. Some girls will have their own bottles of whiskey / vodka. Try to hook up with some of them and you may be drinking for free! Q-Bar on ladies night, Wednesdays I think, is packed with woman after midnight. And you might just get a freebie for the night or more. Or you may be negotiating.

Spasso / Barsu / five star hotel bars: You can find some really nice ladies at these bars. There is crossover between these and the Q-Bar / Bed supperclub scene. I've never paid more than 3500b at these places, although some girls will ask more a lot more. During a stay at a five star hotel, I was taking my then girl friend back to her car. As we walked through the lobby and I saw a girl that looked 1/2 thai and 1/2 brazilian walk into the lobby bar. So after I kissed my girl good bye in the garage, I darted to my room, dressed respectably, and raced back down to the bar. My guess was wrong. This girl was from Madagascar. We left and she took me out to a couple of bars before we returned to my hotel for a great night. While walking with her to the elevator the next morning, she starts crying. I ask what's wrong and she weeps "I usually get money for doing this". I acted dumfounded and gave her 2500b. She was back later in the afternoon. Which leads me to:

Negotiating: I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.

And anywhere: try your luck anywhere. Try to strike up a conversation. I've been lucky at food carts of all places. No kidding. Just play dumb and ask a good looking lady "what's that your ordering" or "is that good". Get the conversation started. Worst case scenario she looks at you like the fool you are. Best case scenario you get a dinner date with a local that can show you things in Bangkok that you will never find on your own and maybe she spends the night or more. In both of my successes I was in non-tourist areas and certainly not the Nana / Patpong / Soi Cowboy corridors.

Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.

Beergarden: Not a bad place for a cold 3PM beer. It's rare that you will find a darling here but if you are looking for a cheap mid afternoon damp spot this might be your place. It's such a scene to take in. I did take a cutie from here one Sunday afternoon. Short girl, clean, very well spoken English, seemed out of place there, and no mention of price! I saw her a couple of times since.

Climax / Insomnia: What a scene in these after hours clubs. If you are up for a long night. 5AM or 6AM I think they are worth a visit. [/QUOTE]

Not a bad post but I would disagree on the Escorts.

These girls are short time and asking 4000 baht or more for short time. You can get the same at BG or Gullivers for 1500 baht.

Why do they ask that much?

Its their target clients. These girls target men who cannot go out to bars to get girls, in the main they are servicing middle east muslim men. Thats their prime market, men who have to use girls who can arrive at their room without them needing to go out. They also take in some visiting executives, again the kind of people who cannot be seen hanging around sleezy area's of Bangkok.

Thats why they ask and get away with the high prices. But for your average visitor any of the escort services are a total waste of money.

[QUOTE=Ivanba; 1155685]Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.[/QUOTE]

Excellent report, Ivanba.

life is hard. while everyone spent time debating about wether p4p is better than non p4p, i had a busy week.

i fucked 4 different non-p4p gals and managed to still have power for a visit to 7eme ciel oily.

we can debate about which is better and paying the girls to leave or to stay.

i say, the hell with theories and long speeches. just do whatever you want and make sure you are happy.

my dilemma is that all 4 non-p4p are on holiday tomorrow and all of them want to meet. i told them i am lazy and need only sex (2 already confirmed they are ok to pop-by and by my slave for the day hehehe

[QUOTE=Ivanba;1155685]I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.[/QUOTE]All too true. Different guys are looking for different things, so while I might not agree with absolutely everything you say, its a great report. I am also a go with the flow type and haven't got the patience to look for absolute cheapest deals. I don't even necessarily go after freebies unless the girl is really exciting me. You have given a good range of options for guys to try and good info on the style.

I for one, have had some very good experiences with dancers at bars, and either pretty or at least good bodies.

I like the chance to look for a long time before deciding, even if that means visiting several bars, one drink each till find something exciting.

Be careful with your price / performance ratios. The lower the ratio, the better, when price is the numerator! So just be careful with the wording in case give the opposite impression.

BTW, There is nothing wrong with a lengthy report packed full of good information. A long dissertation of complete drivel is another matter. Its the continual posters of smart arsed negative comments, particularly where they no factual knowledge, that get irritating, when nothing of value is evident. If someone doesn't like a long report, he doesn't have to read it all. Yours was nicely broken up into topics.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1155526]I did go out with a Hi-so girl for a few months. She was pretty, but she was not beautiful. She was a bit short and about 3 kgs overweight. Honestly it was a nightmare. The amount of money I spent on the slight possibility that she'd fuck me was insane. I quickly lost interest.[/QUOTE]Does anyone seriously want a Hi-so girl?

I think the ideal girl is an in-between, good hearted, not snobbish, fun, but knows how to behave herself, when in public.

I had a Gik for quite a while that I did not have to pay, and she was great in bed, but the downside was she was extremely low-so to the extent that she dressed far too waywardly, couldn't really act riap-roy, and couldn't even walk nicely. She was also hypo-active, trying to own me, and excessively impatient. I was finally relieved to finish up, despite the sex being great. Now I can return to a more peaceful existence.

Bought her an iphone4 (which she wanted in a big hurry) , and she subsequently smashed the screen twice.

Some girls can be nightmare material, even if have their own money supply.

I'm not going to copy Chill Out's posting because it's long but you're absolutely right when comparing a P4P to a non-P4P. The only thing I would add is that a non-pro can also be a strike out so there's a chance you spend money and time but don't end up in bed. I say doubtful that there is no play at / after the second date but you've already spent your baht for the first night and second night. So if you include these strikeouts, average cost goes up a bit. I have to admit that it's pretty cool the way Thai girls just roll with the flow and as long as you don't insult them or have face losing situations. Life is good. But, whether it's a non-pro or pro, they can get extremely jealous and I've even had girls jesture a throat cutting if she caught me playing around on her. Really is odd this jealousy thing, I think P4P sometimes have an illusion that your arrangement may flow into a long term relationship and they get quite territorial but as I said before, some of my former bargirls, who know I don't want long term become friends and even help arrange things for you. It's almost like they protect their turf (you being their lover) until you clearly turf that option.

Just wondering because of the Buddha holiday I heard last night that all of the bars will be closed to include Soi Cowboy, Patpong, etc. What about the massage places?

Please say it ain't so!

Massage places are open. Don't panic

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1156156]Massage places are open. Don't panic[/QUOTE]Nic,

Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'

Thanks

[QUOTE=Bangkok Xx Bob; 1156170]Nic,

Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'

Thanks[/QUOTE]Special for you? For her? Or for both?

If she wants all out sex then try the Eden Club. She will get serviced like never before

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1155852]Life is hard. While everyone spent time debating about wether P4P is better than non P4P, I had a busy week.

I fucked 4 different Non-P4P gals and managed to still have power for a visit to 7eme Ciel Oily. [/QUOTE]Your busyness can be measured by whether you have time to post or not, and also by the length of the report. Its short so obviously you are just a bit busy. Obviously I am not busy. Should be working.

Juggling multiple girls can get stressful. Don't get an iphone4. Girls will want to contact to check what you are doing on Skype with video. I know from the experience already of staying with one girl and another trying to contact me on Skype, even from another country, to check I am not misbehaving. :(

3G is gradually being rolled out in Thailand. Thankfully its not fully here yet, so the girl cannot see if you are located really where you say you are.

[QUOTE=Bangkok Xx Bob; 1156170]Nic,

Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'

Thanks[/QUOTE]If its for real Massage, try the Asia Herbal Association in Sukhumvit Soi 24 I think. Has big rooms for multiple customers to go together. It is quite special but no hanky panky.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1156199]Special for you? For her? Or for both?

If she wants all out sex then try the Eden Club. She will get serviced like never before[/QUOTE]Only a madman would take a girl to Eden, even if she is a Lesbian. I'll bet Nic doesn't go there. I don't bother to repeat there.
I reckon we should leave the 'servicing' arrangements to Bob.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1156202]If its for real Massage, try the Asia Herbal Association in Sukhumvit Soi 24 I think. Has big rooms for multiple customers to go together. It is quite special but no hanky panky.[/QUOTE]I think he looks for "special".)

Lots of MP accepts couples.

I have seen a M+W (western) couple at Annie's, so the options are there.

But now the guy is in action, I assume, seen the time!

We can only wait for the report, now

Nothing to report. Failed miserably as I couldn't think of anywhere for a 'special' side by side oily for both. I know the flower shop doesn't arrange this in house. SW, the rooms are inadaquate and the fruit shop is just too visable. (This lass is nothing to do with the P4P scene in any way).

Annies would have been an option but I just don't associate Annies with oilies.

Upon reflection Victoria VIP room may well have been the answer, especially with their car park. Next time.

Still, had much fun in a different way!

Hi Guys.

I'm off to Bangkok in a few weeks time. Just a quick question. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Eden Club had closed down. Can anyone confirm if this is correct. I hope it isn't as I had a LOT of fun there when I visited 4 years ago.

Thanks for the info.

Diesel

[QUOTE=Bangkok Xx Bob; 1156170]Nic,

Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'

Thanks[/QUOTE]I've tried this twice and both times no success. I think what I did wrong was that my female guest wanted to do the massage but I never thought about letting her know or imply it should get a little naughty. Then in both cases I fell asleep because I think the message girls were behaving not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off my girl, so there were no little gentle touches in the zone. Hell, each time I woke up at the end, everyone is laughing because I always snore. If I do it again, I would ask for a ball message for both her and I!!!

[QUOTE=Orange Crust;1156075]I'm not going to copy Chill Out's posting because it's long but you're absolutely right when comparing a P4P to a non-P4P. The only thing I would add is that a non-pro can also be a strike out so there's a chance you spend money and time but don't end up in bed. I say doubtful that there is no play at / after the second date but you've already spent your baht for the first night and second night. So if you include these strikeouts, average cost goes up a bit. I have to admit that it's pretty cool the way Thai girls just roll with the flow and as long as you don't insult them or have face losing situations. Life is good. But, whether it's a non-pro or pro, they can get extremely jealous and I've even had girls jesture a throat cutting if she caught me playing around on her. Really is odd this jealousy thing, I think P4P sometimes have an illusion that your arrangement may flow into a long term relationship and they get quite territorial but as I said before, some of my former bargirls, who know I don't want long term become friends and even help arrange things for you. It's almost like they protect their turf (you being their lover) until you clearly turf that option.[/QUOTE]Some great debate over P4P vs non-P4P providers, Love, Gold Diggers, how hot the mongers on this board are and how much game they have in the past 4 pages.

[QUOTE=Diesel98; 1156332]Hi Guys.

I'm off to Bangkok in a few weeks time. Just a quick question. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Eden Club had closed down. Can anyone confirm if this is correct. I hope it isn't as I had a LOT of fun there when I visited 4 years ago.

Diesel[/QUOTE]It was still open a few weeks ago, but I think it's just a matter of time before it is gone forever. Eden these days is a pale, pale shadow of what it was when the legendary Marc was the overseer. Don't expect much.

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand;1156442]It was still open a few weeks ago, but I think it's just a matter of time before it is gone forever. Eden these days is a pale, pale shadow of what it was when the legendary Marc was the overseer. Don't expect much.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Is it really not worth going there any more? I have such good memories. Has it really changed that much?

On another note which is now considered to be the best high end soapie money no object and the best high end oilie again money no object.

Thanks,

Diesel

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1155721]Escorts.

These girls are short time and asking 4000 baht or more for short time. You can get the same at BG or Gullivers for 1500 baht.

Why do they ask that much?

Its their target clients. These girls target men who cannot go out to bars to get girls, in the main they are servicing middle east muslim men. Thats their prime market, men who have to use girls who can arrive at their room without them needing to go out. They also take in some visiting executives, again the kind of people who cannot be seen hanging around sleezy area's of Bangkok.

Thats why they ask and get away with the high prices. But for your average visitor any of the escort services are a total waste of money. [/QUOTE]Agreed. But also there are plenty of businessmen who travel to or through Bangkok once or very rarely, and fancy trying a bit of what Thailand is famous for. For them, a one-night affair with an expensive escort who can be ordered over the internet is a god-send. And if you are only doing it once a year then frankly cash probably doesn't matter.

I have probably told the story already of an Indian businessman sitting next to me on the plane who calmly bragged that he had 2 escort girls come over for a 'massage', and negotiated the price down from 14K to a mere 10K Baht. But he didn't want FS, so he settled for a HJ.

If the escort is on a website then she probably only gets 50% of the fee,

So she can be other places, ask half of her escort price and still do OK,

At least thats how it is with the few escorts I know,

BK

[QUOTE=Bangkok Xx Bob; 1156293]Nothing to report. Failed miserably as I couldn't think of anywhere for a 'special' side by side oily for both. I know the flower shop doesn't arrange this in house. SW, the rooms are inadaquate and the fruit shop is just too visable. (This lass is nothing to do with the P4P scene in any way).

Annies would have been an option but I just don't associate Annies with oilies.

Upon reflection Victoria VIP room may well have been the answer, especially with their car park. Next time.

Still, had much fun in a different way! [/QUOTE]If I had any idea about what you were looking for (a bit more detail) , might have been able to give a better answer. It wasn't clear to me if she was a "nice" girl or a really wayward one.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1156701]If I had any idea about what you were looking for (a bit more detail) , might have been able to give a better answer. It wasn't clear to me if she was a "nice" girl or a really wayward one.[/QUOTE]Nice in all senses. Point taken though.

My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.

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[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1156912]My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]151287[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]How easy is it to negotiate Makkasan with heavy luggage? What's the distance and stairs situation from the train to the taxi and vice-versa?

[QUOTE=Diesel98; 1156451]On another note which is now considered to be the best high end soapie money no object and the best high end oilie again money no object.

Thanks,

Diesel[/QUOTE]From what I have read and heard, Poseidon's upstairs model lounge is the most high end soapie experience. Amsterdam's models are also very high-end. Expect to pay 5-6k minimum.

I don't think there are any "high end" oilies as such. They're all about the same caliber although you get more bang for your buck at Snow White, Tulip, and Mango.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1143765]Since Thais (and certain foreigners who patronize the Thai-oriented establishments) are paying only 1500-1600 baht ST or 2000-2100 baht LT for (on average) much more attractive girls...[/QUOTE]I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1157065]I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.[/QUOTE]When you think about it it is a rather strange concept LT. How many mongers actually do LT when they are in their home country? I think LT is something unique to visitors and expats no matter what the country may be (although generally countries that are not as well off economically as those in North America, Western Europe, or Eastern Asia). Usually it's wham, bam, thank you ma'am for the local monger. I mean who would really want to hang out with prostitutes when they are home. I can not imagine myself going to the local hooker dive, picking up a chick by asking her to come back to my place for a few hours or a few days, and trying to get to know her as a person.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1157065]I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.[/QUOTE]I would go as far as to say that this is a concept that alien to most Asians, not only thais.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157076]When you think about it it is a rather strange concept LT. How many mongers actually do LT when they are in their home country? I think LT is something unique to visitors and expats no matter what the country may be (although generally countries that are not as well off economically as those in North America, Western Europe, or Eastern Asia). Usually it's wham, bam, thank you ma'am for the local monger. I mean who would really want to hang out with prostitutes when they are home. I can not imagine myself going to the local hooker dive, picking up a chick by asking her to come back to my place for a few hours or a few days, and trying to get to know her as a person.[/QUOTE]Ah yes but Thai hookers are not like western ones at all.

We can afford to take girl for a long time.

More importantly we want to wake in the morning and have a naked girl there ready for sex.

When a western hooker offered to sleep at my place, I could see the $ stars in her eyes. Thought I better not.

I used this service once and found it excellent but was surprised by the small number of people using it when one consider BKK high tourism. I was there last March in peak hrs (1pm) but all halls were deserted. For all the money and effort invested in this service its ashame to see such results.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1156912]My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.

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[QUOTE=Jim Mac;1157023]How easy is it to negotiate Makkasan with heavy luggage? What's the distance and stairs situation from the train to the taxi and vice-versa?[/QUOTE]Down an escalator or two then just outside for the taxi. I don't know if porters are available during the daytime but if you have so much luggage that you need help, I recommend that you just take the taxi from the airport directly and save yourself the extra trouble for only $5 difference. I had 1 small bag & a backpack & it was very easy for me. I would not do it if I had 2 large bags or traveling with 2 or more people.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1156912]My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.[/QUOTE]The thing is that from the airport to Sukhumvit a metered taxi does not cost 400 baht. It is about the same 230 (toll not included) that you paid in total. It appears that building that train was a waste of money. Back in March I took a metered taxi from Wat Pho back to Nana Hotel in over an hour's worth of heavy traffic. The driver waited 10 minutes for me and my brother to get our luggage then took us to the airport. The final total on the meter was under 400 baht. I gave him 420 for being a good sport.

[QUOTE=JodyBond; 1155691] (Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic.)

When I attempt to pull up "Escortpictures. Com" I don't get any direct hit. Any chance this site is no longer in service or has been renamed? [/QUOTE]Yes,"

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/cities/female/bangkok/[/url]

" should take you to the Bangkok section.

I met "May" last night at the Beer Garden on soi 7 around 6 pm. She says she is there almost every night. We agreed on ST 3 hole service for 2 pops for 1500 baht. I tipped her an extra 100 for the pictures. She said she is sometimes willing to do anal but she doesn't like to say it in public because she doesn't want the other girls to know about it. So if you want it, whisper it to her quietly. She is very short and in her late 30's but service more than made up for it. She said she likes white guys with fair skin (though I am not white but have fair skin). Great 3 hole service including BBBJ & CIM, & no hurry. No LT, she wants to go home to sleep. I recommend that you call her (086-136-1790) or just find her at the Beer Garden.

Thank you ISG!

[QUOTE=Bkk Rookie;1149461]Momasan insists. Friend doesn't budge. Next thing you know Momasan says lady has period and can not go, and returned the BF.[/QUOTE]Not only did she tell me she had her period, she pulled her over and offered me to check for myself. Should stuck a finger up her and lick the one next to it.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157220]The thing is that from the airport to Sukhumvit a metered taxi does not cost 400 baht. It is about the same 230 (toll not included) that you paid in total. It appears that building that train was a waste of money. Back in March I took a metered taxi from Wat Pho back to Nana Hotel in over an hour's worth of heavy traffic. The driver waited 10 minutes for me and my brother to get our luggage then took us to the airport. The final total on the meter was under 400 baht. I gave him 420 for being a good sport.[/QUOTE]Perhaps he was "trusting" the taxi driver and not using the meter. I've had many taxi drivers try to tell me it's 400 baht with no meter. I tell them no and to turn on the damn meter.

MadVic

[QUOTE=Bugzy 69;1157127]I used this service once and found it excellent but was surprised by the small number of people using it when one consider BKK high tourism. I was there last March in peak hrs (1pm) but all halls were deserted. For all the money and effort invested in this service its ashame to see such results.[/QUOTE]Personally, I can't be bothered to use this service. I don't want to drag my luggage and walk up or down stairs, take a train. Then negotiate a taxi to the hotel. All of that to save 200 thb?

I prefer the Taxi or Limo. More expensive, sure, but more convenient

[QUOTE=Madvic; 1157403]Perhaps he was "trusting" the taxi driver and not using the meter. I've had many taxi drivers try to tell me it's 400 baht with no meter. I tell them no and to turn on the damn meter.

MadVic[/QUOTE]To All you Cheapos:

Do not queue at the Arrival Taxis Downstairs!

Go up to the Departures Level and grab a cab that just dropped someone off. Tell him to go to Sukhumvit and to take the Highway.

Cost will be 65thb for Highway. 200 to 250 to sukhumvit and you don't have to pay the 50thb taxi Charge like in the Arrivals downstairs.

Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1157065]I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.[/QUOTE]
Well, you probably know several Thais who take a P4P girl for a very long-time (those who have a mia noi, for instance)! ;)

I also believe that in most cases, Thais are more inclined to have ST sessions rather than LT ones in most P4P establishments, but not always. For instance, in many local karaoke places (actually, in most of those that I know of), the default session duration is the whole night (I know a couple of Thai karaoke places where one can also negotiate a ST session, but it's rather the exception than the general rule, at least, according to my own experience).

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus;1157439]Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.[/QUOTE]Pahllus, you are posting here more then 9 years with all kind of unrealistic comments.

All your experience. You make me laugh. You never posted pics of all the experiences.

You had with girls. Or is that your dreams?

Sushilover is doing good, realistic and he post all kind of great pics.

You better stop all that commenting. Just look and enjoy.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1155540]... What is the mathematical argument to say non-pros are more expensive? I still haven't seen it. Let's use 2K a night LT, which is certainly a discount rate already for girls that are "not overweight or ugly". Let's say you don't pay for any beers or anything else when you do P4P. And again that's a stretch. So you have a 2K budget. Do you really need to spend 2K on a normal girl, every time you meet her, to get somewhere? If not then where is the "more expensive" argument coming from? ...[/QUOTE]
It really depends on many factors, but yes, in certain cases, "non-pros" are more expensive. Let's say that you just want to have a one-night-stand. With a real "non-pro" girl in Thailand, it does not happen very often, so, you will have to date more than one girl to succeed. Moreover, as explained earlier, real "non-pro" girls very seldom go to a date (especially on the first one) alone.

Not so long ago, a friend of mine started to date a real "non-pro" in Bangkok. On the first date, the girl came with her older sister and two female friends of them. They all had a nice dinner at a good (but not particularly fancy) restaurant overlooking the Chao Praya river, and as it is the custom in the Land of Smiles, the supposedly richest person (my friend) footed the bill (about 2000 baht). He had another date some time later with this "non-pro" girl and this time, she came "only" with her sister. They spent the evening at a bowling alley, had a few drinks there, then went to another (decent but not extravagant) restaurant and my friend ended up spending again about 2000 baht (overall) that day. On the third date, the girl came alone, and they went to a cinema, watched a film and afterwards, had dinner to another (very reasonably priced) restaurant. My friend did not spend too much money on the third date (less than 1000 baht), but still came back alone to his place. That's also during this third date that the girl suggested that the next time, my friend meets her parents at their place...

Many similar stories happened to me in the past with real "non-pro" girls. According to my own, and to several of my friends' experiences, most "non-pro" girls don't fuck on the first date (and many won't have sex before marriage). You can do that with "pros" (of course), "semi-pros" (many waitresses, some university girls, certain members of dating websites, etc.) and more or less desperate women (older women, divorced mothers, etc.), but not that often with real "non-pros".

By the way, I was in Bangkok with another friend of mine this week, and for some reason, we had only a few hours of free time daily for our "mongering activities" and those had to be done during daytime. So, we visited Chinatown several times, a couple of BJ bars too, a few other places where one can find freelancers, and one massage parlor. The highest cost per fuck was 1300 baht (several shots were allowed at the massage parlor, so it was not the most expensive option) including the price of a short time room. In Chinatown, I had a BBBJ for 280 baht (200 baht for the provider, and 80 baht for the room) and I fucked several young (19-23 year old) and rather attractive girls for 600 baht overall (you can pay even less for the older and less attractive ones). Ok, the attractive ones are a small minority in this area, but it did not require much effort for us to find decent enough providers every time we visited this part of the capital city.

I won't ever mention some other places in Thailand where P4P is even cheaper (on average) for (usually) a much better quality of providers (and where real "non-pro" girls are even less likely to fuck on the first date).

Those examples demonstrate that in certain cases (for those who are looking for one-night stands, for instance), P4P is less expensive on a cost-per-fuck basis, with the advantage of variety and efficiency (no hassle, no time lost on courtship, no emotional involvement, etc.).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1157428]To All you Cheapos:

Do not queue at the Arrival Taxis Downstairs!

Go up to the Departures Level and grab a cab that just dropped someone off. Tell him to go to Sukhumvit and to take the Highway.

Cost will be 65thb for Highway. 200 to 250 to sukhumvit and you don't have to pay the 50thb taxi Charge like in the Arrivals downstairs. [/QUOTE]To be more of a Cheapo:

If you go to Sukhumvit, tell the taxi driver to avoid the tollway. If it's not rush hour, you only will spend maybe 10 minutes more. Hence you will save 65 baht in tolls plus a few baht on the meter (distance is actually shorter). The ride is scenic; you get to see some clubs (massage parlors and / or KTVs). But becareful about taxi drivers who might feign ignorance and claim not to know that route; you can also negotiate a flat fee, and he certainly will avoid the tollway.

To be even more of a Cheapo:

You can take the non-express train to Makasan, and then walk to the metro. From that metro stop, you will have access to the underground and the skytrain. But that walk is a real pain in the rear (maybe about 10 or 15 minutes).

To be the ultimate Cheapo:

Be like a local and take the local bus (never done that personally).

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus;1157439]Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.[/QUOTE]Just wondering what others are finding. Do most of the girls do anal or do most claim they do not do it? Anyone?

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1157563]To be even more of a Cheapo: You can take the non-express train to Makasan, and then walk to the metro. From that metro stop, you will have access to the underground and the skytrain. But that walk is a real pain in the rear (maybe about 10 or 15 minutes).

To be the ultimate Cheapo: Be like a local and take the local bus (never done that personally). [/QUOTE]The non-express train ends at the Phaya Thai BTS Station. You can catch the BTS there to Sukhumvit or Silom (transfer at Siam).

There are four Airport Express Buse routes that make regular stops at hotels along Silom and Sukhumvit, etc.

[url]http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/55[/url]

This link has good information and maps for Bangkok public transit (trains & river boats).

[url]http://www.bangkok-city.com/go/info_transportation.html#Skytrain[/url]

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1157493]Not so long ago, a friend of mine started to date a real "non-pro" in Bangkok. On the first date, the girl came with her older sister and two female friends of them. They all had a nice dinner at a good (but not particularly fancy) restaurant overlooking the Chao Praya river, and as it is the custom in the Land of Smiles, the supposedly richest person (my friend) footed the bill (about 2000 baht). He had another date some time later with this "non-pro" girl and this time, she came "only" with her sister. They spent the evening at a bowling alley, had a few drinks there, then went to another (decent but not extravagant) restaurant and my friend ended up spending again about 2000 baht (overall) that day. On the third date, the girl came alone, and they went to a cinema, watched a film and afterwards, had dinner to another (very reasonably priced) restaurant. My friend did not spend too much money on the third date (less than 1000 baht) , but still came back alone to his place. That's also during this third date that the girl suggested that the next time, my friend meets her parents at their place.

Many similar stories happened to me in the past with real "non-pro" girls. According to my own, and to several of my friends' experiences, most "non-pro" girls don't fuck on the first date (and many won't have sex before marriage). You can do that with "pros" (of course),"semi-pros" (many waitresses, some university girls, certain members of dating websites, etc.) and more or less desperate women (older women, divorced mothers, etc.) , but not that often with real "non-pros".

Those examples demonstrate that in certain cases (for those who are looking for one-night stands, for instance) , P4P is less expensive on a cost-per-fuck basis, with the advantage of variety and efficiency (no hassle, no time lost on courtship, no emotional involvement, etc.). [/QUOTE]I guess I have been lucky. I mainly play in Manila's dirty water but sometimes in BKK. I had one single mom once (40) who met me at my BTS station. Back to hotel for 2 maybe 3 rounds then went home. No money exchanged. Had a Paragon optician store employee meet me literally in my hotel lobby, as soon as I arrived, up to room, bonk and no money exchanged and no questions asked.

Had a hair salon owner (24) meet me on a rainy day so we watched a movie in my place and of course ended in bed with no money exchanged. Had a few more including a Nurse. All on first dates.

Maybe I got lucky or maybe I just took what was available. Certain no mom and pop meetings LOL. I would run if I was asked to do that!

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1157580]Just wondering what others are finding. Do most of the girls do anal or do most claim they do not do it? Anyone?[/QUOTE]
In my own experience, many girls who allow anal sex wouldn't admit it in front of their friends or colleagues. It's something that should be asked discreetly in most cases, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1157599]The non-express train ends at the Phaya Thai BTS Station. You can catch the BTS there to Sukhumvit or Silom (transfer at Siam).

There are four Airport Express Buse routes that make regular stops at hotels along Silom and Sukhumvit, etc.

[url]http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/55[/url]

This link has good information and maps for Bangkok public transit (trains & river boats).

[url]http://www.bangkok-city.com/go/info_transportation.html#Skytrain[/url][/QUOTE]To Fon Tok

The airport train is good if you don't have large luggage, the train station and bts station is a bit of a walk with alot of luggage no elavator you need to walk many stair go across the st to the Phaya thai BTS station and the airport bus take too long, the best way is still taxi if you have large luggage.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Goyave;1157493]It really depends on many factors, but yes, in certain cases, "non-pros" are more expensive. Let's say that you just want to have a one-night-stand. With a real "non-pro" girl in Thailand, it does not happen very often, so, you will have to date more than one girl to succeed. Moreover, as explained earlier, real "non-pro" girls very seldom go to a date (especially on the first one) alone.[/QUOTE]Dear Chillout,

It does indeed depend on many factors, the most important being how often you get sex with the GF. Forget about nights altogether, but think on a per sex session basis. If you have to support GF and her child's education and potentially other members of her family, paying the rent, the bills, etc. Could easily cost you 1K per day. I know this sounds a lot but you try buying a trolley load of stuff in the supermarket these days. Could be 2K quite easily.

1K per day is a good deal if you get sex everyday, but most don't. She maybe has a very long menstruation period, ruling out several days, and anyway guys like myself are not even in Thailand all of the time.

Therefore supporting a Thai girl (plus others in the family) becomes very uneconomical.

For me, its far cheaper, just to P4P, whether long time or short.

As Goaye points out, entertaining costs for dating girls can be significant too. A guaranteed screw is the better option.

There maybe plenty of guys who have a very economical GF, usually meaning she works for money too, and doesn't require full support. By all means get a rich or well paid GF.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1157563]To be more of a Cheapo:

If you go to Sukhumvit, tell the taxi driver to avoid the tollway. If it's not rush hour, you only will spend maybe 10 minutes more. Hence you will save 65 baht in tolls plus a few baht on the meter (distance is actually shorter). The ride is scenic; you get to see some clubs (massage parlors and / or KTVs). But becareful about taxi drivers who might feign ignorance and claim not to know that route; you can also negotiate a flat fee, and he certainly will avoid the tollway.

To be even more of a Cheapo:

You can take the non-express train to Makasan, and then walk to the metro. From that metro stop, you will have access to the underground and the skytrain. But that walk is a real pain in the rear (maybe about 10 or 15 minutes).

To be the ultimate Cheapo:

Be like a local and take the local bus (never done that personally). [/QUOTE]Priceless. Excellent Info

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1157424]Personally, I can't be bothered to use this service. I don't want to drag my luggage and walk up or down stairs, take a train. Then negotiate a taxi to the hotel. All of that to save 200 thb?

I prefer the Taxi or Limo. More expensive, sure, but more convenient[/QUOTE]I did this once when I had just carryon luggage and it was great.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1157428]Cost will be 65thb for Highway. 200 to 250 to sukhumvit and you don't have to pay the 50thb taxi Charge like in the Arrivals downstairs.[/QUOTE]70 for the highway.

Went to Cowboy last night. Arrived later than usual; around 1 am or so. Hit Baccara, Dollhouse, and Shark. Not too many stunners left. At 2:30 am I was in Shark and called a cutie over just as the bar was about to close. I was hoping to strike a deal since it was closing time and middle of the low season. She was adament. Would not go below 2, 000 baht. I even countered with 1500. No go. Fuck the go-gos; it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I have not been able to negotiate down from 2, 000 baht ST for more than a year now. I will stick to the MPs and Soapies from now on; much cheaper and much less bullshit.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1157689]Fuck the go-gos; it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I have not been able to negotiate down from 2, 000 baht ST for more than a year now. I will stick to the MPs and Soapies from now on; much cheaper and much less bullshit.[/QUOTE]You realise this only now? Hehehehehe yes, Bargirls are all Bullshit, all the time. I also prefer Massage ladies.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1157639]Dear Chillout,

It does indeed depend on many factors, the most important being how often you get sex with the GF. Forget about nights altogether, but think on a per sex session basis. If you have to support GF and her child's education and potentially other members of her family, paying the rent, the bills, etc. Could easily cost you 1K per day. I know this sounds a lot but you try buying a trolley load of stuff in the supermarket these days. Could be 2K quite easily.

1K per day is a good deal if you get sex everyday, but most don't. She maybe has a very long menstruation period, ruling out several days, and anyway guys like myself are not even in Thailand all of the time.

Therefore supporting a Thai girl (plus others in the family) becomes very uneconomical.

For me, its far cheaper, just to P4P, whether long time or short.

As Goaye points out, entertaining costs for dating girls can be significant too. A guaranteed screw is the better option.

There maybe plenty of guys who have a very economical GF, usually meaning she works for money too, and doesn't require full support. By all means get a rich or well paid GF. [/QUOTE]I think you were off point at the beginning of your post. The discussion was never about costs of SUPPORTING non-pros vs. P4P. It was never about financially taking care of a girlfriend's family (I know many farang get caught up in this but in my mind people who support Thai women and their families are complete idiots. The people who gave life to me are self-sufficient and I do not have to support them so why in the hell would I do it for someone that not only I hardly know, but more than likely does not even speak my same language). It was simply about dating a non-pro. In which case the couple would simply take in a movie, go to the beach, go to lunch, go to a concert every now and then, go to a park, or sit home and watch TV and eat microwave popcorn. It was not about wining and dining, buying expensive gifts, or foolishly handing over your life savings.

I know this is a mongering board but in actuality who really wants sex everyday, especially from the same person. But even if you did, she is your girlfriend so that should entitle you to sex when you want it. If not, then you have chosen the wrong woman. Mensturation; that has never stopped my show. When I want to fuck I want to fuck. But I can understand if she is cramping or having extreme problems so I will always settle for BBBJCIM in such cases.

I think you came back on point at the end of your post by mentioning "she works for money too." That is the type of woman that I understood the original discussion to be about. Not dating eighteen year old, tall, thin, light-skinned superstar Thai actresses vs. P4P, not paying some girl's university tuition vs. P4P, not buying her family a new buffalo after the old one has died vs. P4P, but an average, everyday, run of the mill date with a non-pro Thai girl who has her own job and supports herself vs. P4P. Sure you may not fuck her on the first date. But I do not think I have ever gone past a second meeting without luck as such. However, more often than not for me and my humble experience it does happen the first time.

In Thailand I have never gotten the girl who brings along family and friends on a date as other members have. In countries such as Peru and Colombia I have occaisionally gotten the girl who wants to bring along her mooching friend who doubles as a cockblocker, but I have ways of dealing with them. They get no love. Okay I lied. Back in February a girl who I met in Tukcom in Pattaya tried to bring along a half ladyboy friend on our initial outting which was going to be to the bowling alley. I told her no, that only me and her were going. She refused to go without her friend and I refused to go with her friend, so we went our separate ways and have not talked to each other since. I am not afraid to cut someone off who does not want to play by my rules. I will take my ball and go the fuck home in a heartbeat. There is too much pussy out there to be somebody's sucker.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157711]...I know this is a mongering board but in actuality who really wants sex everyday, especially from the same person. But even if you did, she is your girlfriend so that should entitle you to sex when you want it. If not, then you have chosen the wrong woman. Mensturation; that has never stopped my show. When I want to fuck I want to fuck. But I can understand if she is cramping or having extreme problems so I will always settle for BBBJCIM in such cases...[/QUOTE][

Awwww, you're really way too nice to these girls. :)

[QUOTE=Pita123;1157656]70 for the highway.[/QUOTE]Yep! 45+25 (or 25+45)

I mean. Discussing around a difference of 100/150 TB for a transportation. Mumble. Mumble.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157711]I think you were off point at the beginning of your post. The discussion was never about costs of SUPPORTING non-pros vs. P4P. It was never about financially taking care of a girlfriend's family (I know many farang get caught up in this but in my mind people who support Thai women and their families are complete idiots. The people who gave life to me are self-sufficient and I do not have to support them so why in the hell would I do it for someone that not only I hardly know, but more than likely does not even speak my same language). It was simply about dating a non-pro. In which case the couple would simply take in a movie, go to the beach, go to lunch, go to a concert every now and then, go to a park, or sit home and watch TV and eat microwave popcorn. It was not about wining and dining, buying expensive gifts, or foolishly handing over your life savings.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I am off topic. I did not read the whole set of posts. I was only responding to a recent one. I agree its not a good idea to support Thai girls and their families. Its a crazy one, but it happens often, sometimes if the Knight in White armour saves the girl from P4P industry, where she was previously supporting several family members.

Someone mentioned a real GF rather than just someone you are dating. To me having a long term GF is not the same as just dating someone. Its more likely to mean living with them on a continuing basis. I you see someone occasionally and get sex too, I call that a Gik. All my point was, that a fully supported GF is expensive and P4P is usually cheaper. That is a good warning.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1157689]Went to Cowboy last night. Arrived later than usual; around 1 am or so. Hit Baccara, Dollhouse, and Shark. Not too many stunners left. At 2:30 am I was in Shark and called a cutie over just as the bar was about to close. I was hoping to strike a deal since it was closing time and middle of the low season. She was adament. Would not go below 2, 000 baht. I even countered with 1500. No go. Fuck the go-gos; it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I have not been able to negotiate down from 2, 000 baht ST for more than a year now. I will stick to the MPs and Soapies from now on; much cheaper and much less bullshit.[/QUOTE]Right with you there. The last three non-oily gals have all been big disappointments. One freelancer and two gogo girls. When one gets used to the service one gets at Mango, Tulip, Snow White, and Victoria, it is hard to justify spending more money for so much less at other venues. I love gogos to hang out and drink with my friends, but when I want to shag it is an oily.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1157821]Right with you there. The last three non-oily gals have all been big disappointments. One freelancer and two gogo girls. When one gets used to the service one gets at Mango, Tulip, Snow White, and Victoria, it is hard to justify spending more money for so much less at other venues. I love gogos to hang out and drink with my friends, but when I want to shag it is an oily.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't even classify those four establishments as oilies. Oilies are those places on Soi 24/1 (if I have the soi correct). These places are something in a class of their own.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157711]Not dating eighteen year old, tall, thin, light-skinned superstar Thai actresses vs. P4P, not paying some girl's university tuition vs. P4P, not buying her family a new buffalo after the old one has died vs. P4P, but an average, everyday, run of the mill date with a non-pro Thai girl who has her own job and supports herself vs. P4P. Sure you may not fuck her on the first date. But I do not think I have ever gone past a second meeting without luck as such. However, more often than not for me and my humble experience it does happen the first time.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious. How old are you and how old are those girls that you are dating and who agree to have sex with you on the first (or even the second) date? Where do you meet them? What is their occupation? How good is their English? How good is your Thai? Do they have children?

I'm asking all these questions because in my own experience, most "normal women" in Thailand do not speak much English (and the average foreigner doesn't speak enough Thai for dating a "normal" local girl). Most "normal" Thai women don't want to have an NSA (No Strings Attached) relationship, especially with a foreigner, unless you are both very young, maybe. The "normal" women who have sex so easily with foreigners are usually those who are not attractive anymore for the local men.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157711]Back in February a girl who I met in Tukcom in Pattaya tried to bring along a half ladyboy friend on our initial outting which was going to be to the bowling alley...[/QUOTE]
That's how it goes usually with "normal" local girls (they bring along at least one friend on the first dates).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157711]I am not afraid to cut someone off who does not want to play by my rules...[/QUOTE]
You will have trouble in Thailand sooner or later if you try to always impose your own rules, believe me!

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1157857]You will have trouble in Thailand sooner or later if you try to always impose your own rules, believe me![/QUOTE]I think you're missing Mr E's point. He was about to waste time and money with a manipulative biatch, sensed the situation and walked out in time. As a man should do. Next time the lady has an element of experience more to consider when dealing with a western. This is not imposing rules, but simply intelligent behavior that works in any country at any time.

Also all you inquisition about how old, which work, how many kids a woman has, seems really lecturing, we're all old enough to be able to tell which one will give at the first date and which one will try not to for as long a possible. Some of us like to play the game even when chances are not in favor, more power to the guy that has game can overturn them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157711]I know this is a mongering board but in actuality who really wants sex everyday, especially from the same person. But even if you did, she is your girlfriend so that should entitle you to sex when you want it. If not, then you have chosen the wrong woman. Mensturation; that has never stopped my show. When I want to fuck I want to fuck.[/QUOTE]Yes some of us want to have sex most days, and maybe more than once, specially if the girl does not have the stamina for long sessions. Sex with a GF can be good enough to want it often. However, with permanent GF normal relationships, it takes both parties wanting to fuck, for it to happen. You are not entitled sex anytime you want. P4P is where you get to fuck, regardless. With a Gik, there may be the understanding that each meeting is for sex.

Most normal Thai girls don't want sex when they have a period, even though it wouldn't bother me. Its considered dirty by Thai culture. CIM and anal are also things that most normal Thai girls don't do and wouldn't even consider for a second. This is also a more P4P thing (IMHO), e.g. Tulip, Mango, Snow White, etc.

Went to a Sports pub to check out a football match. My team lost. Decided to distract myself from this by visiting Midnite, looking for a hot dancer who was previously also very hot on the bed. Unfortunately she had a customer who seemd to have pre-booked her.

Had to fall back to a gogo girl with a good body, B cups, shaved pussy, and pretty face, called Jip. Took for a short time and wasn't disappointed, even if doesn't have skills like a Mango girl.

Started doing DATY, and she was willing to say she was really enjoying it. A good start. Half inserted a knuckle for further stimulation. At one point after she had produced a fair bit of juice, she was concerned about smell. I assured her she was fine and clean with no taste whatsoever. That relaxed her more, and she indicated I show put the finger in rather than just a knuckle, to gently diddle her G-spot and so on while continuing the DATY. I don't like to put finger straight in with girls I don't know well in case iit scares them. Kept going till she made me stop. She apologised about not being experienced with BBBJ but did fine once I coached her to go slower and softer. Stopped when her jaw got too tired. Mish with me upright (I forget what this is called) so I could play with her lovely natural Bs, she diddling her clit. Doggy as well, she even used both hands now (difficult as that may seem) , one to play with herself, and one to lightly massage my balls. We both had tired legs by the end.

Not as good as the exotic show dancer there, but her great body and willingness to get into it, made it very enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1157857]I'm curious. How old are you and how old are those girls that you are dating and who agree to have sex with you on the first (or even the second) date? Where do you meet them? What is their occupation? How good is their English? How good is your Thai? Do they have children?[/QUOTE]So many questions, are you writing a novel on the subject?

It's not uncommon for girls to have sex on first or second date nowadays, I know it has happened to me many times. Yes, it is not really good for the girl to give away her pussy the first night, but sometimes they feel comfortable enough to do it.

And it's true that the younger they are, the more eager they are to have sex.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1157945]Most normal Thai girls don't want sex when they have a period, even though it wouldn't bother me. Its considered dirty by Thai culture. CIM and anal are also things that most normal Thai girls don't do and wouldn't even consider for a second. This is also a more P4P thing (IMHO), e.g. Tulip, Mango, Snow White, etc.[/QUOTE]Maybe I have some good ass luck, because I have never had a normal Thai girl not want to have sex when she was on her period. They may say no to you at first as a warning, but when you tell them it does not matter to you that it is that time of the month then they are fine with it as well. Some are embarassed by the blood and use that thing they insert to stop it, while others do not and don't care about the blood. CIM. I have had several normal Thai girls beg me to cum in their mouth. Some have even mentioned it when sex was the farthest thing from what we were doing or talking about at the time. As far as anal, I have not even attempted to venture there with a normal Thai girl.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157989]CIM. I have had several normal Thai girls beg me to cum in their mouth. Some have even mentioned it when sex was the farthest thing from what we were doing or talking about at the time. As far as anal, I have not even attempted to venture there with a normal Thai girl.[/QUOTE]Normal girls I am with don't beg me to cum in their mouths but do not pull out. Once they are into the BJ, they don't stop even if you are cumming. Some girls tell me that I can't cum inside though. One girl even asked me if I am ok for her to eat (read: Swallow).

Anal sex is also a no-no for me with Regular girls. And I don't even usually do it with hookers.

PauloThai.

Actually, if you check out Bangkok Reports 4-23-11 Post No. 13822 there are 6 photos. Don't let reality or fact get in the way of your views. 2 more today. True I don't photo myself in the act and post on line, but happy to PM some to you if still needed.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1148090#post1148090[/url]

[QUOTE=PauloThai; 1157480]Pahllus, you are posting here more then 9 years with all kind of unrealistic comments.

All your experience. You make me laugh. You never posted pics of all the experiences.

You had with girls. Or is that your dreams?

Sushilover is doing good, realistic and he post all kind of great pics.

You better stop all that commenting. Just look and enjoy.

Cheers! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus;1157439]Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.[/QUOTE]Parlous,

Why bother to post such complete nonsense? Sure, given enough money (everyone has a price) , I would allow arse fucking too, but that is not the point. It ain't going to happen. I haven't found that offering lots of money will make a girl perform well, things she doesn't want to do.

Most Thai girls are definitely not lesbians, at least not the ones we desire (omitting the Toms etc.). Most P4P lesbians are not real lesbians either. Most P4P lesbians are only play-acting for money, and many P4P's just don't do iit at all.

Anyone:

What is the massive attraction to arse fucking anyway? Is it Phallus Minimus looking for a tighter hole? Do guys want to pay extra for it? Is it just a Psychological thing wanting to fuck someone's arse? Are guys trying to act out what they saw in a porn movie? Personally, I think a nice fit pussy is far superior, as is a skilled BBBJ. I can understand if the girl has a really sloppy loose pussy, but that seems rare in Thailand.

I think there is some confusion about who we're talking about and the bashing to P. M. is mostly unwarranted, so give him a break.

He (I think) refers to talking to experienced prostitutes, abou that his advice is exactly right: be straightforward. Although my opening offer, even in the expensive Bangkok, would be two thousands and not three.

Of course a smart guy would change wording a little if talking to a semi-pro, and definitely changing them completely when talking to a normal girl. But, in all cases, what you want is to install into their mind the tickling notion that you're not their regular, boring fuck. They may like that or not, however why leaving to another motherfucker the fine pleasure of hear them moaning first, then asking for more.

And there is nothing wrong with having a little anal fixation, human kind is doing it since some tens of thousand of years with great satisfaction so why stop right now. Beside, most women truly enjoy it for reasons you need to have pussy _and_ asshole to understand

Yes that comes with complications, but without wanting everyone to become an ass user, learn a funny reply to the immutable line "me lady not ladybody", show them the miracles an hard cock can do when used sensibly, and enjoy.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1157977]So many questions, are you writing a novel on the subject?[/QUOTE]He's just trying to understand how this may be possible for himself. Trying to learn what he can improve / change to get more game.

I've had anal with several normal thai girls, but I don't think ever with a pro.

One girl I had never met but was talking to online wanted to come over for sex but said she was on her period. I suggested anal and she said sure and came over.

I'm not huge into anal, but there's another hole there so why not try it out once in a while if the girl is on her period.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1157613]In my own experience, many girls who allow anal sex wouldn't admit it in front of their friends or colleagues. It's something that should be asked discreetly in most cases, IMHO.[/QUOTE]IMO the same goes for BB vaginal sex. I've had several TGs who did it with me say not to tell their friends that they fucked me without a condom. Loss of face is more important than the truth to Thai people.

Additionally, BTW, if one is going to ask a P4P TG about something in private, such as these things or something else, don't be put off by an initial rejection. IME, at least, often on the second or third request such a lady will agree to what is being asked of her. Just today I experienced that with a lady who at first said she prefered to lick my dick but finally agreed to my persistent requests for French kissing.

Similarly, if these ladies want something from you enough, they will at times request it numerous times, even in instances after you've already agreed to it. For example, if you've just met a girl, finished your first session with her, and made plans to see her again the next day, she may ask you about this several times if you would like to see her then. Don't be frustrated by this useless repetition, as it is their Thai way of doing things.

She may even want you to hook pinky fingers together, which seems to be a TG way of promising to do something.

Time to watch Sparticus on HBO.

I met Nan at the Beer Garden tonight about 11 pm as I was leaving. Nan is 30 years old, very slender girl, and has a 6 year old son. She claims that she does not go to Beer Garden very often & I have not seen her the last few days either. We agreed on ST 1000 baht BBBJ & CIM. I shagged her raw for well over over 1/2 hour in 4 positions but I couldn't finish, she certainly did, probablu more than once. After days of 3 hole service from other providers, something was definately lacking. I stretched her out good! Please check the pictures & tell me if you confirm or deny my findings. Feel free to continue to dig that hole. Her number is 08-7079-6994. Happy stretching!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1158117]Similarly, if these ladies want something from you enough, they will at times request it numerous times, even in instances after you've already agreed to it. For example, if you've just met a girl, finished your first session with her, and made plans to see her again the next day, she may ask you about this several times if you would like to see her then. Don't be frustrated by this useless repetition, as it is their Thai way of doing things.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing this up. It really frustrates me when anybody anywhere asks me the same shit over and over and I do let them know. However, with this insight maybe I can be more tolerant when it happens to me in Thailand, seeing that it is just their way and it does not mean they are just trying to rack my nerves.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1158163]I met Nan at the Beer Garden tonight about 11 pm as I was leaving. Nan is 30 years old, very slender girl, and has a 6 year old son. She claims that she does not go to Beer Garden very often & I have not seen her the last few days either. We agreed on ST 1000 baht BBBJ & CIM. I shagged her raw for well over over 1/2 hour in 4 positions but I couldn't finish, she certainly did, probablu more than once. After days of 3 hole service from other providers, something was definately lacking. I stretched her out good! Please check the pictures & tell me if you confirm or deny my findings. Feel free to continue to dig that hole. Her number is 08-7079-6994. Happy stretching![/QUOTE]Excellent work as she look thoroughly stretched out! That hole looks very deep. Were you able feel anything? Walls? Sides? Anything? LOL!

Without going off on a rant, our lifestyle is under attack. The first is our home currency, especially the US dollar and Euro that have irreparable debt infection and run by incompetents. This translates into high pussy prices and I have been unable to locate a future contract for this activity. I expect there will be a serious deterioration (against us) in the next year, and it is time to hedge in safe currencies or companies with real underling assets, not just for the girls but our own future.

Money = Pussy.

The second is the NAZI like TSA that has now become a general intimidation scheme to remind us all that we have no rights anymore, to shut up, pay until it hurts etc. This feeds into the inevitable and insatiable hunger for taxes that will cause them to routinely raid electronic media to rummage around looking for money or assets offshore. Nothing to do with the war on (word here that is unmentionable but starts with T and is worn threadbare as the ultimate justification to do anything against citizens).

At some point they will make it mandatory to hold worthless currency and maybe make it illegal to hold actual precious metal (as distinct to bits of paper that represent precious metal). Think in terms of shortage of employment, shortage of taxes etc just as the household bills avalanche.

Uncle Sam is going to inflate his way out things, social security payments will have less value than toilet paper. Underfunded pension liabilities of state governments was last time in the $6 TRILLION range. Europe is not much better, and it is all papered over with accounting standards and other forms of financial levitation.

Mongers should consider investment in countries for capital stability and income and think about whether the USA is viable anymore. Immigration for anyone will not always be the case in Asia as Americans become economic and political refugees from an imploding system. Thailand and China are still cheap if you get out of the touristy areas (this is budget dependent).

Anyone else here worried about this? Seriously? Not that Nok / Lik whatever is charging 3000 baht rather than 2500 baht, but rather when USA pussy price reaches parity, which will be the least of our problems. Seriously though, I'll miss my friends, but it is getting close to the point of no return, if not already past it.

[QUOTE=Siam Dreamer;1158295]Excellent work as she look thoroughly stretched out! That hole looks very deep. Were you able feel anything? Walls? Sides? Anything? LOL![/QUOTE]It was a definately wide hole but not deep enough. It was a nice start for the first 5 min or so but 4 positions and about 1/2 hour later all I could feel was the tip of my dick bashing her cervix. She certainly earned her 1K baht. Good times!

Giver her a try. She's a real trooper & also a good reason to ask for 3 hole service. ;-)

Feeling quite philosophical after my 20 why / o cutie with braces and looks very young made me totally explode in her mouth after 20 minutes and swallowed every drop. I should also mention I am not at all into anal as some suggest here, merely explaining that don't confuse girls sweet feminine face and coy act with their hardened and calculating minds.

We are fat water buffalo coupled with a living ATM machine. They are NOT here for fun. They are here to clip a buck as quickly as possible with minimum work. Psychology, lies, deceit are all part of their trade, as are techniques to make us come quickly. Which we confuse with good sex rather than a solid 30 minutes or more of their pussy being stretched. Sometime, they con puppy eyed westerners in to wiring over money. Usually they have several doing this at the same time. I've even seen a secondary industry of professional Thai's writing bar girl speak into English / German / Whatever love letters to string the punters along.

Don't be fooled. I don't give a damn whether they are "real" lesbians or not any more than I care about the fake moans and other bullshit. I find that when I stick my cock in their face they know exactly and immediately what to do and their oily little mouths are usually well practiced. Their acting coy with other bargirls is hilarious, a bit like the times of Dickens where criminals in London had their own class system of "superior" thieves.

Enjoy little brain, keep it in the bedroom and sandbox, financial decisions by the cold light of day and without the oxytocin that floods our sex starved brains they recognize and pounce on.

Enjoy and be happy

my regular girl for massage moved back to issan. i'm looking for a recommendation for a regular (no boom-boom or special services) massage place in the sukhumvit area. please be specific if you know name of the shop, address, massage therapist name.

thank you very much.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus;1158347]We are fat water buffalo coupled with a living ATM machine. They are NOT here for fun. They are here to clip a buck as quickly as possible with minimum work. Psychology, lies, deceit are all part of their trade, as are techniques to make us come quickly.[/quote]I understand now why people gets at you vehemently. You speak like like a stereotypes handbook. In my experience, I've seen more hard working SWs than the contrary. I've seen many Thai girls not really caring too much for the money, than otherwise. I've seen girls spend their own money with me and not wanting it back. I had a couple (in hundreds) lie to me, but they were out of the door in 30 seconds, without the money they wanted.

[quote]Which we confuse with good sex rather than a solid 30 minutes or more of their pussy being stretched. Sometime, they con puppy eyed westerners in to wiring over money. Usually they have several doing this at the same time. I've even seen a secondary industry of professional Thai's writing bar girl speak into English / German / Whatever love letters to string the punters along.[/quote]That's hardly news, now to be exact they don't con anybody. They do exactly what some Western with a "save-the-innocent-girl" complex wants: Trade dreams for money. When I see them do that I'm so amused and would help them extract more money from the sucker.

[quote]Don't be fooled. I don't give a damn whether they are "real" lesbians or not any more than I care about the fake moans and other bullshit. I find that when I stick my cock in their face they know exactly and immediately what to do and their oily little mouths are usually well practiced. Their acting coy with other bargirls is hilarious, a bit like the times of Dickens where criminals in London had their own class system of "superior" thieves.

Enjoy little brain, keep it in the bedroom and sandbox, financial decisions by the cold light of day and without the oxytocin that floods our sex starved brains they recognize and pounce on.

Enjoy and be happy[/QUOTE]Won't comment on that strange mix of rational punter's observation, literacy references, and apparently DUI investment tips. Enjoy, but take it easy dude!

[quote=sushilover808; 1158352]my regular girl for massage moved back to issan. i'm looking for a recommendation for a regular (no boom-boom or special services) massage place in the sukhumvit area. please be specific if you know name of the shop, address, massage therapist name.

thank you very much. [/quote]answered most of that question for bangkok xx bob just less than a week ago.

anyways non-mongering issues are probably better placed in the general thread (imho).

[quote=sushilover808; 1158352]my regular girl for massage moved back to issan. i'm looking for a recommendation for a regular (no boom-boom or special services) massage place in the sukhumvit area. please be specific if you know name of the shop, address, massage therapist name.

thank you very much. [/quote]try cefle, soi 33 sukhumvit. great place and no extras.

Met this slim girl named Plow (086-214-4223) on her way into the Beer Garden this afternoon. She is a regular at the Beer Garden but does not want the other girls to know she does anal. She is the third girl from the Beer Garden to tell me that she wants it to be secret. Apparently all the girls talk and it is somewhat frowned upon. Don't ask me why, I just shop there. Give her a call if you want her services. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1158389]Answered most of that question for Bangkok Xx Bob just less than a week ago.

Anyways non-mongering issues are probably better placed in the General Thread (IMHO). [/QUOTE]Sorry. Missed your earlier post.

[QUOTE=Ivanba;1155685]I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.[/QUOTE]Great post, especially this part. Interesting POV. Thanks!

To come back to cost of P4P vs non-pros, an observation I had today looking at my credit card statements for the last few months.

I can separate my trip in three periods of roughly the same duration.

I had a period of a few weeks on islands, being with 2 non-pros (that I met there, and yes, they fucked me on the first date, without fancy gifts or dinners). Going dutch on everything. I spent next to nothing during that time.

I had a period of a few weeks doing only intense P4P in Bangkok. The spike in spending is massive. I spent more in those few weeks than I did in my lifetime on non-pros. I'll say that again and I'm not saying it lightly. More in a few weeks than in my lifetime on non-pros. And I'm in mid-thirties and have been with tens and tens of non-pros from all over the world (about half of them in Asia since I've been here for a long time).

Then I met a pro that I really clicked with and hanged out with her almost exclusively (with one or two exceptions a week going to go-gos, soapies etc). I did not pay her anymore after night 3 and went dutch on everything, treating her like a girlfriend (though being very clear with her that we wouldn't marry anytime soon). For that time period, the spending goes back way down, the same as it did during the non-pro period.

In cold hard numbers, a demonstration of how much more expensive P4P is, unless you are into spending a fortune on your girlfriend (who IMO should be with you for you and not for money).

P4P has a lot of advantages of course. I had a lot of variety during my few weeks of P4P. The chase and getting someone new every day (or several times a day) is fun. No emotional problems. Cheaper though? No fucking way.

The amount of sex was about the same in all periods. YMMV here but I rarely fuck more than 2-4 times a day no matter who I am with. Whether sex was better in any period is open to discussion and probably depends on whether you put a premium on variety, kinkiness, emotions, or whatever floats your boat.

Emotional, loving sex with a girl who also happens to be a well-trained and experienced pro is hard to beat. But that comes with its own set of problems. I'll do a post about my experience with the free pro later on.

here is a report on several places i've visited. i'll throw here anything that isn't a go-go, and do a report on go-gos later. i'm not sure if it is allowed to cross-post here and in the massage places thread, but after all, all of this is in bkk, so i'm posting this in the bkk thread and on the massage place thread.

arkane (soi 33) : i went there with 3 friends, once. only one girl in the limited line-up (8 girls or so only) was cute and i took her instantly. my friends had to go somewhere else. service was good but i wouldn't go back, the choice is too limited. it's also bj only. and the rooms are very cramped. note that the other arkane (i forgot the location) has even less choice, and older girls (in their thirties and fourties).

dream heaven massage: in front of arkane 33. a few cute-ish girls here, but nothing that will take your breath away. i recommend ice, who i took twice. good service, cute face, very cute body. their vip room has a big mirror by the side of the bed.

nataree: i was there several times. maybe the biggest line-up of all massage places. around 40 or 50 girls. some cute girls but nothing exceptional imo. good service and prices (around 2600). ok rooms. big mirrors.

caesar: i'm not sure what their deal is. i went there 6 or 7 times since it's close to nataree. every time there was only 3 or 4 girls on offer. if i came at 6 pm they would say i should have come at 2 pm, and vice-versa. i've given up on the place and don't even bother checking it anymore when i'm in the area.

emmanuelle: exactly the same deal as for caesar. with one exception, once they actually had a pretty big line up (maybe 20 girls or so) , but only one beautiful girl. she was expensive though and i didn't like the limited choice, so i did not partake.

subway: i was there a few times since it's next to nataree. i never saw a beautiful woman in there.

hi-class: i was there only once and was ripped off with bad service, with a girl that i took because she was recommended by the papasan! i wasn't asking for anything out of the ordinary, but the girl gave up on me when i wasn't coming after 15 minutes or so. no money back or change of girls of course. you pay in advance and management will not care if you have a bad time. this was maybe the only time i actually got pissed off by a bad experience. not so much at the girl but at the papasan, who got a 100 tip for his "recommendation" and later told me to go fuck myself. on principle, i'm never going back there.

coppa cabana: i was there several times. i'm not sure why this place gets no press here. they have quite a few hot girls, hotter than in most places. maybe 4 or 6 hot girls total in a line up of 15 or so. price from 2000 to 5000. the availability of hot girls is highly dependent on timing though. mostly good service, but one pop only. nice rooms.

poseidon: i was there 3 times with friends since it's right next to coppa. we left with nothing each time. the line up on the "model floor" is relatively small (5 to 15 girls) and the girls just aren't that beautiful. they seem to think that tall = hot. there are some beautiful girls in a booklet that you can order based on pics, but personally i only take girls i can see face-to-face to be able to screen for attitude and chemistry. i would not go back there.

amsterdam: i was there several times. big line-up at the right times (early afternoon weekends, after 6 on weekdays). expensive (3000 to 6000). a good choice of beautiful girls, but don't expect too much from the reviews here. most of the girls still aren't that hot, but there are 5 or 6 beauties. excellent service (maybe the best i've had in bkk) but one pop only. nice rooms. big mirror. beware that if your girl asks for a drink, she might order some overpriced 300 baths cocktail. this happened to me once and i gave the mamasan a piece of my mind afterwards. this kind of trick shouldn't happen in this kind of place. make sure you always check what your girl is ordering.

eden bar: i went there with 5 friends. 2 of them who were still drunk from the night before went for it, and later reported the experience was so-so. everyone else thought none of the girls was hot. we left.

the lord: i was there once with friends. very limited line-up (4 girls). none of them hot. i never went back.

collonze2: i was there right after the lord (it's next door). bigger line up, but no beautiful girls.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]: i was there once early afternoon. the team was outside having lunch. i left running. if women in their mid-forties with thick waists and acne scars are your thing, this will be heaven.

so of all those places, i would only recommend amsterdam, coppa cabanna, nataree, and maybe dream heaven.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1158389]Answered most of that question for Bangkok Xx Bob just less than a week ago.

Anyways non-mongering issues are probably better placed in the General Thread (IMHO). [/QUOTE]Found it: [url]http://www.asiaherbassociation.com/en/index.html[/url]

Thank you for your help.

Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".

Am I? What would you do?

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158693]. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".

Am I? What would you do?[/QUOTE]I would smile. I've been called a Bad Man many times. I always agree with them when they say it. Usually followed by "please don't slam the door as you leave "

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1158693]Am I? What would you do?[/QUOTE]I'd stop trying to negotiate everything up front and go with the flow. No reason to get so worked up.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158693]Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".

Am I? What would you do? [/QUOTE]Since you asked. I would say."I make mistake bar". (cause she not A grade material in any case). Then the 200 be payment. Then she say "you are bad man". Then I say to myself."OK. But you lie me". As door shuts with she on other side.

What is similair about riding a scooter & fucking a big girl? Both are fun until somebody sees you!

After that problem early on Saturday night, I was back at the Beer Garden for more hunting. I met a really fun girl that spoke english well. She was a big girl (about 5'6" & a little heavy) that normally is not my type but she was fun to chat with. After about 15 minutes, she said that she was going to a disco with her friends and asked me to join them. I declined. She asked me for 200 baht for drinks. I said,"why don't you just fuck me for 1000?" BBBJ, fuck, & CIM was all good but what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.

The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up.

S808,

I don't know if you are bad man or not? But I can say you got more guts!

LBM

Spent about a week in Bangkok. Went to CM2 at the Novotel, Siam on Saturday 14/5/11. Aound midnight spotted an Uzbeki girl who looked like someone I had interacted with on an earlier trip. However she turned out to the the sister of the girl I knew. As she looked quite similar and cute, took her for the night. She was quite a tigress in bed. Lots of biting, kissing and playing with my privates. Good hard sex in various positions. Finally fell asleep at 5. 30 in the morning after playing around for 4 hours.

On Monday went again to CM2 and around midnight spotted both the sisters. Took the one from my earlier trip and the experience was great. Total girl friend, kissing, biting, licking, sucking, hard sex with lot of positions and variations. Was so good that asked her to stay for 2 nights / 2 days. Woke up the next day at 1600 hours and went for lunch and played some pool befor hitting the sack for another 4-5 hour marathon session. I'm glad that I took this girl again as the interaction built on my earlier trip and was better than any other that I had experienced. Look forward to my next trip to Bangkok and hooking up with her again.

Never click on Sushilover's pics before breakfast.

For the record though, I think this girl looks slightly less nasty than the previous one. Although it's a fine line.

After such an experience, I would need cyanide, not Ambien ;)

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158719]what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.

The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up. [/QUOTE]In the First Pic, it looks like a Dude

[QUOTE=Hardrock47; 1158724]Spent about a week in Bangkok. Went to CM2 at the Novotel, Siam on Saturday 14/5/11. Aound midnight spotted an Uzbeki girl who looked like someone I had interacted with on an earlier trip. However she turned out to the the sister of the girl I knew. As she looked quite similar and cute, took her for the night. She was quite a tigress in bed. Lots of biting, kissing and playing with my privates. Good hard sex in various positions. Finally fell asleep at 5. 30 in the morning after playing around for 4 hours.

On Monday went again to CM2 and around midnight spotted both the sisters. Took the one from my earlier trip and the experience was great. Total girl friend, kissing, biting, licking, sucking, hard sex with lot of positions and variations. Was so good that asked her to stay for 2 nights / 2 days. Woke up the next day at 1600 hours and went for lunch and played some pool befor hitting the sack for another 4-5 hour marathon session. I'm glad that I took this girl again as the interaction built on my earlier trip and was better than any other that I had experienced. Look forward to my next trip to Bangkok and hooking up with her again. [/QUOTE]You must be a rich man, as longtimes from CM2 Russians / Uzbekis run around 8000 baht, and 2 days 2 nights would probably add up to a very princely sum.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158693]Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".

Am I? What would you do? [/QUOTE]Am I the only one surprised (s) he had 3 holes?

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158719]What is similair about riding a scooter & fucking a big girl? Both are fun until somebody sees you!

After that problem early on Saturday night, I was back at the Beer Garden for more hunting. I met a really fun girl that spoke english well. She was a big girl (about 5'6" & a little heavy) that normally is not my type but she was fun to chat with. After about 15 minutes, she said that she was going to a disco with her friends and asked me to join them. I declined. She asked me for 200 baht for drinks. I said,"why don't you just fuck me for 1000?" BBBJ, fuck, & CIM was all good but what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.

The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up. [/QUOTE]And again! Giving you the benefit of the doubt, we have very different taste in women.

[QUOTE=Rambis Youth;1158807]Am I the only one surprised (s) he had 3 holes?[/QUOTE]No when I first saw those two photos, I immediately thought these were two post-op ladyboys. The face of those two chicks are way to masculine to have been original females. And Thailand is the sex change capital of the world. So I think ol' "girl's" coyness at trying the 3rd hole was really just a show since I would think most LBs take it that way pre-op. I'm just saying. But the other 3 holers prior to these two looked quite stunning and 100% original females.

[QUOTE=Jiggydus;1158844]No when I first saw those two photos, I immediately thought these were two post-op ladyboys. The face of those two chicks are way to masculine to have been original females. And Thailand is the sex change capital of the world. So I think ol' "girl's" coyness at trying the 3rd hole was really just a show since I would think most LBs take it that way pre-op. I'm just saying. But the other 3 holers prior to these two looked quite stunning and 100% original females.[/QUOTE]Sushilover gets a pass on these two as he did mention he was a bit liquored up and it was DARK. And they did have the requisite female parts. But I have to say I saw more than my fair share of LBs during my visit to AC and I steered clear. Not my cup of tea (bags)!

[QUOTE=Jiggydus;1158844]No when I first saw those two photos, I immediately thought these were two post-op ladyboys. The face of those two chicks are way to masculine to have been original females. And Thailand is the sex change capital of the world. So I think ol' "girl's" coyness at trying the 3rd hole was really just a show since I would think most LBs take it that way pre-op. I'm just saying. But the other 3 holers prior to these two looked quite stunning and 100% original females.[/QUOTE]Well I agree, these both seem to be Lady boys! It seems Sushilover had a drink too many!

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158693]Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".

Am I? What would you do? [/QUOTE]Look at the size of its hands and fingers. And those plastic tits.

How drunk were you?

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1158489]Met this slim girl named Plow (086-214-4223) on her way into the Beer Garden this afternoon. She is a regular at the Beer Garden but does not want the other girls to know she does anal. She is the third girl from the Beer Garden to tell me that she wants it to be secret. Apparently all the girls talk and it is somewhat frowned upon. Don't ask me why, I just shop there. Give her a call if you want her services. Have fun![/QUOTE]Look at those hand fingers. Another man.

He probably won't post anymore under that name. I'd do the same. If I posted about fucking a dude, I'd change my name pretty fucking quick and bury the old one/

I had breakfast before I saw the pics. Say no more.

To each man his own, but the nagging question is how desperate is he? Or does he have bad vision? Very bad vision?

I'll take all your ribbing. I deserve it because those last two were far from attractive but I guarentee you they were born women. I offer the following proof: 1. They had all the right parts. They all had tummy and other stretch marks from pregnancy. 2. They talked about their children and showed pictures. 3. They are repeat workers at the Beer Garden where TV / TS / LB are not permitted. I have reviewed my pictures postedand none of then have implantes. Check again! Those were difinately chicks.

I saw the new Pirates of the Carribbean movie with a friend at Sian Paragon then stopped in for 1 drink at the Beer Garden before going back to my hotel on soi 11. Many of the usuals were there. The band was playing so it must have been after 10 pm. Before long this 28 year old spinner comes over & agrees to 3 hole service for 1K baht. Extremely loud moaning service completed in about 45 minutes. Everything done as asked so I give her a good rating. Call Dao if you want to at 082-885-3761. Happy hunting!

I respectfully request that any pussies out there not look at my graphic pictures.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158693]Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".

Am I? What would you do? [/QUOTE]Well, you didn't have to pay her the full amount, but certainly no reason to be pissed- unless you've taken a big dick up YOUR ass. LOL

[QUOTE=Hardrock47; 1158724]Spent about a week in Bangkok. Went to CM2 at the Novotel, Siam on Saturday 14/5/11. Aound midnight spotted an Uzbeki girl who looked like someone I had interacted with on an earlier trip. However she turned out to the the sister of the girl I knew. As she looked quite similar and cute, took her for the night. She was quite a tigress in bed. Lots of biting, kissing and playing with my privates. Good hard sex in various positions. Finally fell asleep at 5. 30 in the morning after playing around for 4 hours.

On Monday went again to CM2 and around midnight spotted both the sisters. Took the one from my earlier trip and the experience was great. Total girl friend, kissing, biting, licking, sucking, hard sex with lot of positions and variations. Was so good that asked her to stay for 2 nights / 2 days. Woke up the next day at 1600 hours and went for lunch and played some pool befor hitting the sack for another 4-5 hour marathon session. I'm glad that I took this girl again as the interaction built on my earlier trip and was better than any other that I had experienced. Look forward to my next trip to Bangkok and hooking up with her again. [/QUOTE]How much were you down? 1st night? Next 2 nights? Thanks

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158924]I saw the new Pirates of the Carribbean movie with a friend at Sian Paragon then stopped in for 1 drink at the Beer Garden before going back to my hotel on soi 11. Many of the usuals were there. The band was playing so it must have been after 10 pm. Before long this 28 year old spinner comes over & agrees to 3 hole service for 1K baht. Extremely loud moaning service completed in about 45 minutes. Everything done as asked so I give her a good rating. Call Dao if you want to at 082-885-3761. Happy hunting!

I respectfully request that any pussies out there not look at my graphic pictures. [/QUOTE]Great work! That hole looks well stretched and pretty big (love it). Which makes we wonder. Are you fisting them also? Great post.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1158912]I'll take all your ribbing. I deserve it because those last two were far from attractive but I guarentee you they were born women. I offer the following proof: 1. They had all the right parts. They all had tummy and other stretch marks from pregnancy. 2. They talked about their children and showed pictures. 3. They are repeat workers at the Beer Garden where TV / TS / LB are not permitted. I have reviewed my pictures postedand none of then have implantes. Check again! Those were difinately chicks.[/QUOTE]Hey Sushilover,

I am in no way trying to pile on. I only have my limited experiences visiting Phuket a long time ago and more recently my visit to the Philippines which formed the basis of my comments. Dude, you are basking in the LOS while I myself I am in sexually repressive USA. So no hatin' on my part. I just was being real with what I saw and I guess it stems from my newfound skepticism I developed from spending a year of my life in a royal $4it hole of a place (nope no prison but it felt that way is all I am going to say). If you still tune in to the world news, it just can't seem to stay out of the news reel even though the US activities there are drawing down (if that wasn't a major hint, I don't know what else to say other than to say the country could be the next place Steve Jobs goes to patent a product and he wouldn't have to come up with a name for it. Just name it after the country!). Anyway, keep on banging those 3 holers. I am a fellow 3 hole seeker when I go mongering. Keep on serving up the sushi!

I'm headed to Soi Cowboy for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on the best 2 or 3 bars to go to for shows and best times to go. I did RIFF and will probably go to Suzie Wong's for the lesbo show but anything else? PM if you want to meet tonight.

Thanks. SL

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1159067]I'm headed to Soi Cowboy for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on the best 2 or 3 bars to go to for shows and best times to go. I did RIFF and will probably go to Suzie Wong's for the lesbo show but anything else? PM if you want to meet tonight.

Thanks. SL[/QUOTE]The show at Long Gun.

For some reason I couldn't find pretty much anything when searching for Gullivers.

Is it worth checking out at night?

[QUOTE=Going Low; 1159083]For some reason I couldn't find pretty much anything when searching for Gullivers.

Is it worth checking out at night? [/QUOTE]Try Thread searching for this including the double quote marks:

"Gulliver's"

[QUOTE=Going Low; 1159083]For some reason I couldn't find pretty much anything when searching for Gullivers.

Is it worth checking out at night? [/QUOTE]No. The food sucks, women are about on par quality-wise with BG +/- but far fewer choices. Exhaust all other options first...

This report is based on the four days I spent in Bangkok, one of my favourite Asian cities and not just for the red-light-delights.

This trip was in January 2010 but I reckon nothing much has changed since.

[B][U]Eden Club[/U][/B]

As I have been won't to do on the last [I]x[/I] Number of trips to BKK, I started off with my Day One pilgrimage to Eden. [B]What a huge disappointment[/B] It turned out to be, for two main reasons:

1. Marc was not there and another Frenchman was in charge. What an absolute ass. Whereas Marc has always been courteous and helpful the substitute was smug, self-important and too generous in his assessment of his own with. Soured the experience from the get-go.

2. The selection of girls was, in my view, at an all-time low. Really bottom-of-the-barrel quality.

Being a perverse sort of chap, I went ahead anyway and picked two girls from the left side. To be fair to them, they both tried very hard and performed the whole repertoire from rug-munching to fucking each other with strap-ons; BBBJ, CIM, COF, Anal; the works. I managed to come twice but I have to say I really didn't want to be there. I went through the motions, partly because the girls were trying so hard to please and partly because it felt like a final farewell to Eden: one thing is for damn sure, I am not going back there again.

[B][U]Soi Cowboy[/U][/B]

Hallelujah, I have seen the afterlife and it is a street lined with bars filled with gyrating Thai girls!

[B]Round One[/B]

Armed with Sir Insertalot's patient advice, I girded my loins and ventured forth on Day Two. Went straight to [B]Shark Bar[/B] And the girls on show were truly superb. Within two minutes of sitting down and ordering my first Singha, I caught the eye of a lovely mocha-coloured thing sitting and waiting to go on stage, beckoned her over and that was the rest of the evening and the whole of the next morning booked. She was [B]number 30[/B] ([B]"Joy"[/B]) and she was game for a laugh.

After necking a couple of tequila slammers at Shark, I paid the barfine and off we went on a bit of a bar-hop through the Soi and onto the NEP. (As an aside, the performances at Long Gun are really standout: some of those girls are world class pole dancers and one in particular. She has a tattoo,"Mandee" in gothic script across her stomach. Looked like she'd be wild in the sack).

Eventually ended up back in my hotel after several rounds of whisky and she turned out to be eager and willing, but fairly inexperienced in bed. What the hell, I am perverse after all so I found this a turn-on. Plus she was gorgeous [I]and[/I] She let me video and photograph everything. She did make me promise not to put anything on the net though and, as I am a gentleman of my word (despite also being a colossal perve) , I shall honour my promise.

She stayed the night and we woke up with another round, spent the day lolling in bed together and off she went. I like this girl. She was classy as well as hot.

[B]Round Two[/B]

Back to Shark the next evening after a brief detour via Tilac (in my view, not a patch on Shark) , hoping that [B]number 18 (Noi) [/B] (whom I'd seen the previous night after bar-fining Joy) would be around and Joy would not. I'd noticed that Noi had a mischievous look about her, not to mention a great ass and fine legs and I'd been obsessing about her all afternoon.

Praise the lawd, glory be, Noi was on stage and Joy was nowhere to be seen. I wasted no time in getting Noi to come sit with me, downed a couple of quick slammers, agreed terms and off we went. Progress through the Soi was a bit slow as Noi seemed to know tons of girls in other bars and seemed very popular. She also seemed to be very kind-hearted, buying flowers off a little girl hawking roses and buying a round of drinks for some of the other girls (she'd already got me a whisky slammer at Shark before we left). Stopped in at Long Gun to check out Mandee on stage again and then headed for the hotel.

Passionate snogging in the taxi and I thought I'd hit pay-dirt: sexy, fun-loving, confident, generous girl. I thought the sex would be great. Boy was I wrong. Got to the hotel, had a shower together, got in bed and Noi completely broke down. She started telling me about having worked in Saudi Arabia for a month and then started sobbing uncontrollably. Cried and cried. God knows what happened to the poor girl over there. I realised that the confidence was a big facade hiding a fragile and emotionally scarred little girl beneath. Anyway, I just held her and tried to comfort as best I can. Think she'd had a few too many gin and tins too, which didn't help.

Eventually she stopped crying, cuddled for a bit longer and then initiated sex. Ok, what the hell thought I and went for it. It was pretty crap, truth be told, and I felt like a bit of a heel too so got it over and done with pretty soon.

Afterwards, she asked if it's ok if she leaves (we'd agreed LT). I said yes of course, she only took money for ST and I put her in a cab home. More hugging and passionate kissing in the street as she got in.

A request from me if any of you guys go to Shark and pick Noi up. Be nice to her, think she's had some pretty bad shit happen to her in Saudi.

[B][U]Annie's[/U][/B]

Last day and finished up with a visit to Annie's. My first in four years. I'd e-mailed Aey through another forum and she had recommended a sideliner."N". As fitting my bill. Bang on the money."N" was a lovely lovely girl. Eager and willing to please, very concerned that I was happy throughout. Slim, fair-complexioned, pretty face, nice legs.

Great soapy body-slide, in the tub and on the mat; excellent BBBJ in the tub and on the bed; very accommodating in FS. Finished off with a bravura COF which even took me by surprise. It wasn't a Peter North by any stretch of the imagination, but it was not bloody bad after four days in a row! Duly complimented by "N" too, which was a nice touch, but really the credit goes to her.

All in all, a quintessential BKK soapy experience and kudos also to Aey for the recommendation. Definitely visiting Annie's again next time in Bangkok.

Also on the agenda for next time in BKK: Poseidon and / or Copa Cabana plus CM2.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1159205]No. The food sucks, women are about on par quality-wise with BG +/- but far fewer choices. Exhaust all other options first...[/QUOTE]Yes, I second that opinion.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1159067]I'm headed to Soi Cowboy for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on the best 2 or 3 bars to go to for shows and best times to go. I did RIFF and will probably go to Suzie Wong's for the lesbo show but anything else? PM if you want to meet tonight. Thanks. SL[/QUOTE]If you can find her, there is a lady that sells the best grilled sausages in Bangkok from her food cart on Soi Cowboy.
IMHO, very tasty and much better than sushi. ;)

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1159205]No. The food sucks, women are about on par quality-wise with BG +/- but far fewer choices. Exhaust all other options first...[/QUOTE]Depends on what you are looking for.

The food that I had at Gullivers was always very good and well arranged on the plate.

But more expensive than at the BG.

Women at Gullivers have far more better English skills than the ones in the BG.

But normally they are waiting for you to start the conversation. In the BG there are many women who will approach you and try to talk to you.

Both places are always worth a try as they are nearby (about 5 min walking distance).

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1159482]Depends on what you are looking for.

The food that I had at Gullivers was always very good and well arranged on the plate.

But more expensive than at the BG.

Women at Gullivers have far more better English skills than the ones in the BG.

But normally they are waiting for you to start the conversation. In the BG there are many women who will approach you and try to talk to you.

Both places are always worth a try as they are nearby (about 5 min walking distance).

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]Well, I was looking for a basic pub style meal as I was in a hurry that evening and for some reason I remember it like it was yesterday – a cheeseburger w / fries. The burger was thin, tasteless and cardboard-like with an unmelted slice of Kraft American cheese on a stale bun. I don't love fries but I did that night and I don't recall the presentation as that's not what I was there for.

I also recall that that night as most times I've stopped in, I seemed to spend more time glancing at the revolving car then the women. But hey, different strokes right...

BUT, what I do think is indisputable (and draws people in) is their location - must be one of the best in the Suk area!

[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1159482]Depends on what you are looking for.

The food that I had at Gullivers was always very good and well arranged on the plate.

But more expensive than at the BG.

Women at Gullivers have far more better English skills than the ones in the BG.

But normally they are waiting for you to start the conversation. In the BG there are many women who will approach you and try to talk to you.

Both places are always worth a try as they are nearby (about 5 min walking distance).

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]In my experience many girls in Gulliver's even do not act as "working" girls.

A while ago I stayed for nearly 6 months in the area and spend a lot of time (afternoon, evening en late nights) in Gulliver's.

During playing pool you get the best oppertunity to talk to these girls (sometimes I had to invite them to play separate in the backside area).

Took many of them afterwards with me (mostly I look always for new girls) but also saw many of them later leaving Gulliver's by themselves and collecting their car from Foodland car park and heading home.

Agree with the English skills and moslty upfront no money was discussed and I gave them 1. 500 afterwards (and mostly had the feeling the girls where happy with that).

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1159529]In my experience many girls in Gulliver's even do not act as "working" girls. ......[/QUOTE]Agree. I am quite sure that many women here are working only "part time". Depending on the level of money in their purse. If they need or want some extra money, they know that they can make it around here.

Many of them have jobs in an office and get a monthly salery.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Maa Paa;1159482]The food that I had at Gullivers was..well arranged on the plate.[/QUOTE]Can you elaborate on this?

[QUOTE=Maa Paa; 1159647]Agree. I am quite sure that many women here are working only "part time". Depending on the level of money in their purse. If they need or want some extra money, they know that they can make it around here.

Many of them have jobs in an office and get a monthly salery.

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]Theres at least 3 girls from JW Marriott nearby who do some part time jobs in Gullivers.

I remember that one of them had been nearby when I was checking in.

Was funny when she said "where do you stay ".

Luckily she wasnt my type as I guess theres no way she would have gone back with me.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1159673]Can you elaborate on this?[/QUOTE]Not to put words in Maa Paa's mouth, but I believe what he is saying is that the food in Guliver's is small portions and high cost by Thai standards. I have not been there for a couple of years now, but that was my experience when I went there last around 2009.

Raz

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158693]Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".

Am I? What would you do?[/QUOTE]She's been around at least 5-6 years and has probably pulled this hundreds of times (and gotten away with it 99). I went with one of her friends who told me after 30 minutes that it was enough, because it was only short time. I gave her 200 baht and opened the door, and the next day her whole gang was talking about how I was a bad man who didn't pay.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1158719]What is similair about riding a scooter & fucking a big girl? Both are fun until somebody sees you!

After that problem early on Saturday night, I was back at the Beer Garden for more hunting. I met a really fun girl that spoke english well. She was a big girl (about 5'6" & a little heavy) that normally is not my type but she was fun to chat with. After about 15 minutes, she said that she was going to a disco with her friends and asked me to join them. I declined. She asked me for 200 baht for drinks. I said,"why don't you just fuck me for 1000?" BBBJ, fuck, & CIM was all good but what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.

The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up. [/QUOTE]I think she is not a she but a "He"

Further to my previous report on Uzbeki's at CM2, Novotel, the cost per night worked out to US$250.00 and for 2 nights / 2 days US$500.00

For great 3 hole service, find Ai (087-703-1801) at the Beer Garden or better yet just give her a call to arrange delivery! I paid 1000 baht for ST. She privided great BBBJ & could take it long & deep & front to back & back to front. Good times!

[QUOTE=Hardrock47;1159781]Further to my previous report on Uzbeki's at CM2, Novotel, the cost per night worked out to US$250.00 and for 2 nights / 2 days US$500.00[/QUOTE]Reminds me of Rodney in "caddyshack"

"how could anyone be happy paying 7 times more than market?"

Turning to the punter.

"but I'm sure it was great for you"

[QUOTE=RasSpewtin; 1159721]Not to put words in Maa Paa's mouth, but I believe what he is saying is that the food in Guliver's is small portions and high cost by Thai standards. I have not been there for a couple of years now, but that was my experience when I went there last around 2009.

Raz[/QUOTE]The dishes are more expensive than the ones in the BG or at a street food stall. No question, no daubt.

But for us as tourists or expats it's still cheap enough to have lunch or dinner there several times a week without getting broke.

And I tried only a few dishes."Pork chop","something Zurich style","grilled beef slices or so","Tom kha gai","chicken breast". The portions have been big enough for me. But I have to confess that I am full quite fast. So, maybe I am the wrong person to judge about the quantity.

Just from the impression, just in my personal, own opinion the food here is better than in the BG although I could never complain about BG food.

Maa Paa

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1160008]For great 3 hole service, find Ai (087-703-1801) at the Beer Garden or better yet just give her a call to arrange delivery! I paid 1000 baht for ST. She privided great BBBJ & could take it long & deep & front to back & back to front. Good times![/QUOTE]She take it Bareback?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1160225]She take it Bareback?[/QUOTE]You gotta ask her! My experience has been that service depends on the money paid, personal rapport, & time of the month. Good luck!

I met a thirty something small girl close to the Nana Parking lot around midnight a couple nights ago. I asked about anal for 1000 baht & she said,"sure, I like". I was a litttle surprised but it turned out to be 100% true. Fantastic 3 hole service with about 75% of the time in her ass. Fucked her as hard as I could & she was ok with it. CIM too. The she said," you want massage?" I said sure. She gave a very good Thai massage for about an hour. I felt horny again so we went for round 2. Looooooooong session. I was beat! I tipped 600 so total 1600 for about 3 hours great service. Decent body for someone in her mid-30s and average looks but highly recommended for exceptional service. She is very clean too.

Here's the bad news. I was too tired to take pictures & forgot her name but she wrote down her phone number. I suggest you contact her & continue the stretching. 086-006-5313. Maybe her name was Min or Nin. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1160308]Here's the bad news. I was too tired to take pictures & forgot her name but she wrote down her phone number. I suggest you contact her & continue the stretching. xxx-xxx-xxxx. Maybe her name was Min or Nin. Enjoy![/QUOTE]I am not sure it is a good idea to post girls phone numbers in public. I mean, there are really some sick fuckers reading this forum so I don't think you're doing the girl any favors.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1160315]I am not sure it is a good idea to post girls phone numbers in public. I mean, there are really some sick fuckers reading this forum so I don't think you're doing the girl any favors.[/QUOTE]NicFrenchy,

I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1160337]NicFrenchy,

I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls. [/QUOTE]The point made by NF was right. You told the girls you pass it on to your friends. Appreciate the sense if community, the goodwill to share on ISG, and now I have her cell. Still am I your friend? Do you know me? I could be a wanker making nasty phone calls in the middle of the night. I don't think in such a case the girl will be happy to get "my business". I am happy to share some phone nos. With real friends or, in the case of this ISG community, with people with a bit of history. This still doesn't prevent bad or unpleasant things happening but at least reduces the chances. There are indeed girls putting their numbers on the net. But their decision and maybe with a specific phone. My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1160315]I am not sure it is a good idea to post girls phone numbers in public. I mean, there are really some sick fuckers reading this forum so I don't think you're doing the girl any favors.[/QUOTE]I can go on dating sites and get girl's numbers without joining the site. Check out DIA for example. Some girls list their phone numbers and email addresses, which you can get just by browsing the ads. Now I just posted info for those "sick fuckers". Was that a bad idea? There are sick puppys out there, but when was the last time you heard of someone harassing a girl from info on a web site? At least one of those girls may have a new customer next week. I am sure she will be happy I got her number. Of course, I won't tell her I got it from this site.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1160337]NicFrenchy,

I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls. [/QUOTE]It's not about seniority, I was just saying it might not be safe for HER to have her number published in ISG.

You should see the Sick guys who send me messages with questions about which girl would do this and that (all disturbed stuff by the way).

The thing to do would be to publicly write that you have her number and that you will pass it along via PM. That way you can screen who you give the number to. For me, I usually only give details to people who have contributed here or that I have met in person.

Trust me, there are some mentally disturbed people reading this Forum and posting the number can put the girl in potential danger.

Just better be careful

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1160361]I can go on dating sites and get girl's numbers without joining the site. Check out DIA for example. Some girls list their phone numbers and email addresses, which you can get just by browsing the ads.[/QUOTE]But it is THEIR choice to have the numbers published, in this case, he said he would pass it on to Friends and now she will get 100 phone calls at every sick hour of the day or night.

Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.

From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.

I used [url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url] Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.

They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.

Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working.

Anyway I recommend [url]http://www.kingstonbangkok.com/[/url] Only 1600 per night including two breakfast.

I don't want to leave the room.

JP

So speaking of beautiful girls in go-gos, here is a report on the go-go scene.

1. Nana vs Cowboy.

It's a tough call between the 2. Nana IMO is more for quickly picking up a girl and leaving. Cowboy is more "festive", so to speak. If I wanted to entertain clients or bring friends to a go-go, it would be in Cowboy not in Nana.

However for availability of beautiful girls, I would say Nana wins. Not by much, but it does.

2. Nana.

Rainbow 1: nothing interesting

Rainbow 2: resting on its past laurels. Not so many cute girls there anymore. But a big line-up.

Rainbow 3: quite a lot of beautiful girls, but many of them aloof.

Rainbow 4: still quite a lot of beautiful women, and I like this place because you are sitting so close to the girls. And the girls are nice. Big line-up. The best Rainbow IMO.

Mandarin: some cute girls, but very dark in there so sometimes hard to judge.

Angelwitch: one or two cute girls, a more fun atmosphere usually than in the Rainbows.

Cascade: LB bar. I was there once with a friend who likes LB, I would say it's worth checking out once for the experience. Very big place and many LBs inside. Be prepared for some intense selling.

3. Cowboy.

Tilac: not bad but I dislike the fact that the hottest girls cannot be taken (coyotes). As a result and on principle I rarely go there unless I have friends inside.

Shark: it can be a fun place. There are some cute girls. The bar and line-up is smaller than average however.

Bacarra: maybe the best place in Cowboy. Big line-up. I still don't understand the often-repeated idea that the second floor is where it's at. I find girls on the first floor are usually cuter (and taller). I almost never buy the supposedly "required" 2 ladydrinks and have only had a problem once (I left alone). Apparently the boss of this place is French?

Other places not mentioned here: either I've not checked them out, or I've been inside once or twice and concluded that they were a waste of time. Like Suzie Wong and their silly shows; thanks but no thanks.

Being younger than most of the fossils that inhabit this forum and older than the ones who think PS1 was kickass; here is a review of a bar that is out of the usual norm in Nana.

With the seemingly new policy of Nana bars allowing smoking, DC-10 wins accolades from a customers perspective.

A) Its a pretend airplane (wish it was a real L1011, but thats what fantasy is all about)

B) They don't play canned music.

C) The girls are not pushy.

D) The girls acually dance, not the Bangkok-Shuffle.

E) Expect proper stripper etiquette and pole dancing

F) You can smoke there (!)

G) They seem to have actual ventilation and air conditioning, so smokers don't smoke up the place.

Disclaimer: A customer who wishes to be back there, writing this from the comfort of suburbia

Disclaimer: A customer

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1160478]Tilac: not bad but I dislike the fact that the hottest girls cannot be taken (coyotes). As a result and on principle I rarely go there unless I have friends inside.[/QUOTE]How long has Tilac had coyotes? I have never seen one there before. There was a rumor The Arab put up a huge offer for Tilac but was laughed out of town. I thought it was still pretty much purest possible go-go pickup joint.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1160478]So speaking of beautiful girls in go-gos, here is a report on the go-go scene.

1. Nana vs Cowboy.

It's a tough call between the 2. Nana IMO is more for quickly picking up a girl and leaving. Cowboy is more "festive", so to speak. If I wanted to entertain clients or bring friends to a go-go, it would be in Cowboy not in Nana.

However for availability of beautiful girls, I would say Nana wins. Not by much, but it does.

2. Nana.

Rainbow 1: nothing interesting.

Rainbow 2: resting on its past laurels. Not so many cute girls there anymore. But a big line-up.

Rainbow 3: quite a lot of beautiful girls, but many of them aloof.

Rainbow 4: still quite a lot of beautiful women, and I like this place because you are sitting so close to the girls. And the girls are nice. Big line-up. The best Rainbow IMO.

Mandarin: some cute girls, but very dark in there so sometimes hard to judge.

Angelwitch: one or two cute girls, a more fun atmosphere usually than in the Rainbows.

Cascade: LB bar. I was there once with a friend who likes LB, I would say it's worth checking out once for the experience. Very big place and many LBs inside. Be prepared for some intense selling.

3. Cowboy.

Tilac: not bad but I dislike the fact that the hottest girls cannot be taken (coyotes). As a result and on principle I rarely go there unless I have friends inside.

Shark: it can be a fun place. There are some cute girls. The bar and line-up is smaller than average however.

Bacarra: maybe the best place in Cowboy. Big line-up. I still don't understand the often-repeated idea that the second floor is where it's at. I find girls on the first floor are usually cuter (and taller). I almost never buy the supposedly "required" 2 ladydrinks and have only had a problem once (I left alone). Apparently the boss of this place is French?

Other places not mentioned here: either I've not checked them out, or I've been inside once or twice and concluded that they were a waste of time. Like Suzie Wong and their silly shows; thanks but no thanks. [/QUOTE]Good information, I'll use it. Thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160458]Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.

From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.

I used.

[url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]

Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.

They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.

Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working.

Anyway I recommend.

[url]http://www.kingstonbangkok.com/[/url]

Only 1600 per night including two breakfast.

I don't want to leave the room.

JP[/QUOTE]I would expect it to be a slim chance that a woman on a Thai dating site would come to my room when I called her. Africa is a whole different animal.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160458]Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.

From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.

JP[/QUOTE]Yeh, you should not wast your time with young BKK girls on those sites. First of all skip the girls under 32 if you are on a dating site. Next time you should make up a reasonable story about a business trip to who knows where but close to the area where the girl lives etc. I never had a problem to get in contact with single women in cities like Sukothai, Pitsanolok, Lampang, Chantaburi and some other relatively modern cities. But you should not start digging just a few weeks before your trip. Start a few months earlier and setup a regular email contact so that you have an idea how serious SHE is.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1160337]I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls.[/QUOTE]Please don't post girls' phone numbers.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160458]Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.

From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.

I used.

[url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]

Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.

They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.

Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working. [/QUOTE]If you're just telling them to come to your hotel so you can fuck them, they're going to say no.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1160572]If you're just telling them to come to your hotel so you can fuck them, they're going to say no.[/QUOTE]So what's the point?

[QUOTE=Evianist;1160572]If you're just telling them to come to your hotel so you can fuck them, they're going to say no.[/QUOTE]These girls are not looking for sex, they want a husband.

Yes. They will let you fuck them but you have to pay something first, for food, drinks, cinema and taxi home. They are not going to let you get inside their knickers for free.

Its all a game for them but they are wise enough to know that off perhaps 25 men they meet they will get fucked 25 times but of that 25 perhaps only 1 might be worth more effort with the potential to turn him into a husband.

These are also the most dangerous in terms of STD. They are not working girls so their use of condoms is limited, first time they may insist you use but second or third time they will likely not. Also the men fucking them think they are not getting any other sex and so will often not use a condom to get some BB action.

This leads to these kind of girls being the most likely to give you a dose of something nasty if you are not careful.

They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.

Serious.

To get laid with a non pro you need time and time. Outside BKK it may be different or not but this is the status.

Even in my country the ladies are more easy to fuck. I want my flight ticket money back.

About NEP, more ladyboys clubs then ladies. I visit NEP yesterday.

Tomorrow I will try Pattaya.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160458]Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time. From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel. I used.

[url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]

Got so many numbers but in reality its not working. They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel. [/QUOTE]ROFLMFAO. Maybe it is because you portray yourself to be looking more for a (free) call girl than a serious date. They are women (non-pro most of them). They want to be chased. They like you to call them so they will feel you are really interested. Have some game. And if you were them do you seriously think it would be a good idea to go to a stranger's hotel?

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1160576]These are also the most dangerous in terms of STD. They are not working girls so their use of condoms is limited, first time they may insist you use but second or third time they will likely not. Also the men fucking them think they are not getting any other sex and so will often not use a condom to get some BB action.

This leads to these kind of girls being the most likely to give you a dose of something nasty if you are not careful. [/QUOTE]That is also what Thai people strongly believe. If you mention you've been with a woman for free, they will make gestures like skin eruptions. But I think, supported by the scarce statistics, that the diffusion of diseases is about the same.

[quote=poopsicle joe; 1160493]being younger than most of the fossils that inhabit this forum and older than the ones who think ps1 was kickass; here is a review of a bar that is out of the usual norm in nana.

with the seemingly new policy of nana bars allowing smoking, dc-10 wins accolades from a customers perspective.

a) its a pretend airplane (wish it was a real l1011, but thats what fantasy is all about)

b) they don't play canned music.

c) the girls are not pushy.

d) the girls acually dance, not the bangkok-shuffle.

e) expect proper stripper etiquette and pole dancing

f) you can smoke there (!)

g) they seem to have actual ventilation and air conditioning, so smokers don't smoke up the place.

disclaimer: a customer who wishes to be back there, writing this from the comfort of suburbia

disclaimer: a customer[/quote]welcome to the forum, from one of the "fossils". wishing you to become fossilized as well, which will mean that you have enjoyed life for long!

[QUOTE=Dreams;1160659]Welcome to the forum, from one of the "fossils". Wishing you to become fossilized as well, which will mean that you have enjoyed life for long![/QUOTE]Maybe he was referring to the kind of people that spends $250 per night for hotel and is not ashamed to mention it.

Age doesn't make a fossil, habits do.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1160569]Please don't post girls' phone numbers.[/QUOTE]A few of you have objected to my posting of the girl's phone numbers & NOBODY has supported my actions. So OK, sorry to all. I thought I was doing a favor to both parties as these are clearly working girls that want more business. I didn't want to respond to PM asking for contact info so I thought it was OK. I will never do it again. Sincerest apologies.

[QUOTE=John Palmer;1160583]They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not.[/QUOTE]So you don't want them to come to your hotel for sex, but for something else. I can't imagine why they don't believe you.

Perhaps turn the conversation around to swimming and invite them to use the pool. There's plenty of opportunity when they're getting changed in your bathroom after the swim.

[quote=new old guy; 1160663]maybe he was referring to the kind of people that spends $250 per night for hotel and is not ashamed to mention it.

age doesn't make a fossil, habits do. [/quote]sour grapes?

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1160576]These girls are not looking for sex, they want a husband.

Yes. They will let you fuck them but you have to pay something first, for food, drinks, cinema and taxi home. They are not going to let you get inside their knickers for free.

Its all a game for them but they are wise enough to know that off perhaps 25 men they meet they will get fucked 25 times but of that 25 perhaps only 1 might be worth more effort with the potential to turn him into a husband.

These are also the most dangerous in terms of STD. They are not working girls so their use of condoms is limited, first time they may insist you use but second or third time they will likely not. Also the men fucking them think they are not getting any other sex and so will often not use a condom to get some BB action.

This leads to these kind of girls being the most likely to give you a dose of something nasty if you are not careful. [/QUOTE]Agree with this observation. Of all the non-working girls I met in SE Asia very few insisted on Condoms. Only the girls in China insist on the condom, mainly to avoid getting pregnant. After a few dates they do not insist either.

In other SE countries none bothered. I think they are thinking that we are regular visitors not mongers who jump in with other girls. Some do say and want to know how many girls I am meeting. I do not think we pay for sex and meet working girls also. They are more concerned if we meet other non-working girls and leave them.

So I believe it is better to be carefull even with non-working girls.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160583]They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.

Serious. [/QUOTE]Very noble of you. No wonder farangs are despised by a part of the Thai population. Keep up the good work.

[quote=rjsss212;1160686]sour grapes?[/quote]no, practicality and common sense. thanks buddha my savings would allow me to stay at that price for a very long time, but i happen to think my money is better spent other ways.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1160703]Very noble of you. No wonder farangs are despised by a part of the Thai population. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]Why there is guys willing to waste time in working contacts, lie (and be lied) then have a fair share of disappointment in situations that often are borderline to embarrassment, just to have a free fuck, is beyond me to understand.

The guy got his lessons, now let's hope Pattaya will be up to his expectations, otherwise he will have ask for a complete refund to the Minister of Sex Tourism.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1160654]That is also what Thai people strongly believe. If you mention you've been with a woman for free, they will make gestures like skin eruptions. But I think, supported by the scarce statistics, that the diffusion of diseases is about the same.[/QUOTE]I am going to state what probably should be completely obvious. A girl that insists that a condom be used is safer than one who doesn't. We can't tell if she insists all of the time, and its unlikely if she has a regular Thai man, but if she insists with no-one at all, she must be more risky. In any case, if she insists, then you have some protection, and if she doesn't insist, you can wisely decide to protect yourself.

So yes the part about free or paid is not as important, however there is some chance that higher class P4Ps are being tested regularly. I am not aware of what percentage of P4Ps will not insist, it probably depends on their brain power and fatalistic beliefs.

I prefer 'safer' girls in case the protection fails. Don't spin the wheel too many times in case '0' comes up. BBBJ comes with some slight risk too, but its far below the risk of a car crash. Wear the seat belt even though you don't have to. Life will always have some risk.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1160692]In other SE countries none bothered. I think they are thinking that we are regular visitors not mongers who jump in with other girls. Some do say and want to know how many girls I am meeting. I do not think we pay for sex and meet working girls also. They are more concerned if we meet other non-working girls and leave them.[/QUOTE]My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else. The ones who broke up with previous husbands and boyfriends for cheating said it wasn't because they put their dick into another girl, but because they had a steady girl on the side. And there was also the one who found her husband in her bed with a bar girl. So I agree with you Sammon. They are more concerned about you meeting with someone who has a long term potential that could knock them out of the picture and not the occaisional hit it and quit it.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160583]They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.

Serious. [/QUOTE]Shaking my head.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1160713]Why there is guys willing to waste time in working contacts, lie (and be lied) then have a fair share of disappointment in situations that often are borderline to embarrassment, just to have a free fuck, is beyond me to understand.[/QUOTE]Maybe his "money is better spent other ways"...

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1160723]My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else.[/QUOTE]Interesting. All the Non Pros I have been with are extremely jealous and would not in a million years accept me going to a hooker. It would completely lower their own value.

Having a GIK on the side is one thing, but going with a hooker is the lowest of the Lows in the eyes of non-pro thais.

[QUOTE=John Palmer;1160583]They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.[/QUOTE]I've been doing the online game for some time and very very rarely would a girl accept to meet at the hotel (unless they bring a friend or 2 maybe). I always meet in a public place and the girls almost always comes with a Friend (who usually stays no more then a half hour).

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160458]Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.

From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.

I used.

[url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]

Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.

They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.

Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working.

JP[/QUOTE]JP:

The lads here have made some excellent points, but perhaps I can be of help. The ladies on Thai Love Links are looking for romance, dating and marriage. If you're looking for a FREE shag, two of my friends have had great success with Adult Friend Finder. Com. This has worked for them in many countries, not just LOS.

I understand completely that if a girl gives you her phone number in the west, it means she's looking to hook up. But these girls on TLL are looking to TALK. As I'm sure you've seen in BKK, where the young ladies DO NOT GET OFF THEIR PHONES. Neither for shag nor shitter.

Hope that helps. Enjoy and be safe.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1160755]Interesting. All the Non Pros I have been with are extremely jealous and would not in a million years accept me going to a hooker. It would completely lower their own value.

Having a GIK on the side is one thing, but going with a hooker is the lowest of the Lows in the eyes of non-pro thais. [/QUOTE]Man, I think Thai girls are the most fierce when jealous. I personally had a few that threatened to cut my throat if I strayed (and being with them meant I was straying in the first place.). The threat is often with a jesture of a finger sliding across her own throat. I didn't take it seriously really and still don't but I have noticed a lot of scars around the neckline of some people. Freaks me out but I guess it happens.

So tread carefully and try not to flaunt one girl in front of the other. I only once had to unwilling girls show up by unfortunite coinicidence in my apartment. It was ackward, basically I had to invite one to stay and the other up go. Both ended up disappointed and in the end so was I. I felt like an ass. And these were non pros.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1160755]Interesting. All the Non Pros I have been with are extremely jealous and would not in a million years accept me going to a hooker. It would completely lower their own value.

Having a GIK on the side is one thing, but going with a hooker is the lowest of the Lows in the eyes of non-pro thais. [/QUOTE]Come on Nic. Of course they mean you to be discrete about fucking a hooker. They don't want you to let them tag along for dinner just the 3 of you or anything. But in their minds they know a man can not be with one woman. So choosing the lesser of two evils they would rather you be with temporary women (hookers) than a permanent one (mia noi) who is not them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1160863]in their minds they know a man can not be with one woman. So choosing the lesser of two evils they would rather you be with temporary women (hookers) than a permanent one (mia noi) who is not them.[/QUOTE]This is quite common thinking in China as well. Better hookers than a mistress who you might fall in love with.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1160723]My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else. The ones who broke up with previous husbands and boyfriends for cheating said it wasn't because they put their dick into another girl, but because they had a steady girl on the side. And there was also the one who found her husband in her bed with a bar girl. So I agree with you Sammon. They are more concerned about you meeting with someone who has a long term potential that could knock them out of the picture and not the occaisional hit it and quit it.[/QUOTE]This has been my experience also.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1160713]Why there is guys willing to waste time in working contacts, lie (and be lied) then have a fair share of disappointment in situations that often are borderline to embarrassment, just to have a free fuck, is beyond me to understand...[/QUOTE]You're right. Free fucks are nice but not worth the hassle.

Old guys know best.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1160723]My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else.[/QUOTE]You need to understand Thai women better.

What that statement says is.

I like you but do not love you. You are ok and perhaps good husband / long term BF material in that you are ok to be with and can elevate my status to an acceptable level and I will have more money. Therefore, on this basis its ok for you to fuck around as that will keep you with me as you think you have a stready GF and can play around. In fact I am letting you fuck around as I know it will mean you want sex with me less, you will be happy and stay with me and also I can have a BF and if I get caught then there is no hassle as I will cry and talk about all the times you did it with others.

Thats what it says. Thai women are very much into compromise, they will go with the best bet for the moment and be willing to compromise in order to elevate their financial status.

Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!

WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1160892]You're right. Free fucks are nice but not worth the hassle.

Old guys know best. [/QUOTE]Disagree. It all depends on the story one builds when dealing with non pros. I have been very successful in doing this and absolutely none of them hassles me for anything (other than sex of course)

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1161000]Open & enjoy if like the NASTY.[/QUOTE]Yes, the pics are indeed nasty.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1161000]Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!

WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY. [/QUOTE]WOW. That hole is deep, dry, and really wide. Wonder if those pics are before or after the dirty deed. If before. Scary. If after- I can understand why she was complaining.

Either way, like sushilover808 said, NASTY. Better not have put your lips down there. YUCK!

Was down Soi Cowboy Sunday night. Went to Midnite to take away a cutie I saw the other week. She was totally disinterested, but so were most of the cute ones there. Gave up after 1 beer and went to Afterskool for a quick BBBJ instead.

Heyy guys had a lovely time in Bangkok after little disappointing experience in tokyo. I specially had given myself 2 days just to have some serious fun in BKK. So checked into Grand President on sukhumvit soi 11. Booked a suite.

Firstday went to a go go bar in nana plaza. Had a lvoely girl who claimed to be half japanese. Was really hot. But she said she will be wiht me for 2 hrs but when we finished our deed in arnd 30 mins. She ws ready to leave. Well anyways I too had a good budget in my hands so thot why nt try something new.

Had another girl from the same bar. But her smelling mouth turned me off and I myself finished the deed (anyhow) and opened the door for her.

Called it a night as it was my first day and was really tired as had landed from tokyo same day.

Next day got too late finishing some work which came up on the last moment and had walked miles in a particular mall. So decided to skip that night, but as soon as I was asleep and got a call late night at arnd 2:30. My jhonny started trying hard coming out of my pants. So off I went. A cabbie guy down the hotel took me to honey club. Which by now was about to close. But I didn't like the selection out there. Then he took me to club xl (or something similar) I kinda liked a young chick. 20 yrs sweet and petite. I act at first was walking off as nothign made me squirm from within. But then thought. What the hell. Sleep. And park my thing into some flesh. . And tht mamasan said he is giving her for long time till morning. So. Anyways took that young girl to my hotel. She was nice and sweet. Once we reached the room. We bathed and afterr little bit of kissing she asked me to pump it in. I thought will unload it right now and then after sometgime the 2nd one will be the best shot. Finished it. She was too small and it was clearly painful for her. So did it with little caution. Finished. And she went to the shower room. And after sometime I see her coming out fully dressed and even with the purse in her hands."I have to go to school" I have to study" "my teacher doesn't know I work" blah blah. Called the mamasan who initially didn't pick up and thne is telling me tht let her go she has work tomo! WTF! I said you promised till morning and he said you come again tomo. Give you another good one for more time. And I didn't scare the girl at any point bt I guess she was still thinking maybe I won't let her go so tht mamasan wanted to know my hotel name so tht he comes there to pick her up!

Anyways I let her go bt felt cheated.

SO next day I realised no matter how much we try the girls want to finish fast and look for the next cust. So decided to hire an escort (I know despite some strong reactions from some member saying booking an escorts in BKK is the stupidest thing. But still. Yes I booked". Booked a girl for 10 hrs and if I liked the girl will call for another one. Was thinking about threesome as it ws my last night.

Girls arrived bang on time. The provider said she will send two girls so tht if I like both I can keep them. Welli liked just one. She was cute youngand exactly as I wanted. Had a really lovely time. She was not the regular girl we find on streets who have to act tht they are having sex. She was turned ON. (I know about the fake moans. Its not about them tht I'm referring) its te real SEX THT I LIKED. I cud feel real difference between the sex with te regulars at go go bars and the escort girl.

With the escort which I had. I really felt I was making love to a lady / girl. Where's with the other girls I felt it was something humanlike. So I might be an odd man out but I still rate escorts. Little better if one is looking for quality time. MAybe its bcoz the girl and me gelled well. But I definately if think about sex that I had in Bangkok then it was ONLY with her that I felt I had sex. For the rest it was a contract that they were finishing.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1161000]Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!

WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY. [/QUOTE]Great pictures man! Horrible pussy but technically great pics, love the detail. Find some sweet young puss and post her!

JD

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1160892]You're right. Free fucks are nice but not worth the hassle.[/QUOTE]Like Frenchy, I disagree with that statement, but I realize it depends on the guy's personality. If you enjoy the company of women, non-pros are best, and pros are good for occasional R&R and extra variety. If you don't, then pros are the way, you pay them to leave as the saying goes.

Arriving in BKK on Thursday. I saw Hangover II last night and thought it might be fun to visit the outdoor high rise lounge / restaurant where some of it was filmed. Any idea which building / hotel that was?

Also would be curious to check out any upscale lounges with live music. Older guy here not as focused on the women as in my many past trips. Just want to see some new territory. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Xdentx; 1161146]Arriving in BKK on Thursday. I saw Hangover II last night and thought it might be fun to visit the outdoor high rise lounge / restaurant where some of it was filmed. Any idea which building / hotel that was?

Also would be curious to check out any upscale lounges with live music. Older guy here not as focused on the women as in my many past trips. Just want to see some new territory. Thanks. [/QUOTE]I haven't seen the film but I read it was Sirocco at the Dome State Tower / Lebua, it's much more stunning than Vertigo at Banyan Tree Hotel or Red Sky at Centara Grand Hotel!

Dress code smart casual and men must have shoes.

Here's BKK top floor bars:

Sirocco at the Dome: [url]www.thedomebkk.com/web/index.html[/url]

Vertigo: [url]www.banyantree.com/bangkok/Vertigo.Html[/url].

Red Sky (newest) : [url]centarahotelsresorts.Com/cgcw/restaurant.Asp[/url]

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1161138]Like Frenchy, I disagree with that statement, but I realize it depends on the guy's personality. If you enjoy the company of women, non-pros are best, and pros are good for occasional R&R and extra variety. If you don't, then pros are the way, you pay them to leave as the saying goes.[/QUOTE]I enjoy the company of women, as long as their mouth is full the entire time. For example, it could be stuffed with hot dog, tongue, nipple, etc.

Doing this with non P4P would not work for me for various reasons, including my difficulty in keeping track of the multitude of lies I'd have to tell, if I accept what is being said here. With P4P gals I only need to tell a lie on occasion and listen to many, so it's much easier. Besides, I'm a lousy liar.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1161076]Was down Soi Cowboy Sunday night. Went to Midnite to take away a cutie I saw the other week. She was totally disinterested, but so were most of the cute ones there. Gave up after 1 beer and went to Afterskool for a quick BBBJ instead.[/QUOTE]Can't say I've had any problem finding interested girls there, although only some are interesting. Maybe she was waiting for someone else, like me.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1161000]Found Kate. Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort. Phone number not posted per the request of fellow ISG board members. Good hunting!

WARNING: Some pictures are nasty. Open & enjoy if like the NASTY. [/QUOTE]I think that if the service was disappointing there is no need indeed to give means to track this girl.

Or do you want to share the disappointment with others? LOL.

Nasty pictures? I rate some a bit. Dirty!

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1161000]Found Kate at the corner of Soi 5 & Sukhumvit near the telephone booths. I actually saw her in June 2010 and it was fantastic. Made a deal for 1000 baht ST for 3 hole service. After about 1/2 hour of service she started complaining saying,"You machine. I'm hurt." Disappointing service. No finish for me & only 800 baht for her for effort.[/QUOTE]She hurt. IOW it was time to get to her next "date" or yaba? This type of con is why I often request an upfront agreement re payment for time doing a service, e. G. 1000B for 30 minute BBBJ & 30 minute fuck in 3 positions, A, B, and C. Tip if very good or overtime. If she fails to fulfill her end of the agreement, then she doesn't get paid, or recieves a partial payment, such as 500B for 30 minutes, if she's lucky.

P4P TGs are often rip off artists, so I feel it's best for me to be very specific about what I want & what she'll get. For example I sometimes tell her 1000B for good service. 1500B for very good, and 2000B for amazing. In saying this I'm hoping she's going to give me her best rather than a half hearted, rude or rushed performance.

IME if you are reasonably generous in Thailand you are probably going to get what you pay for, whether that's tipping the hotel staff, restaurant workers, or P4P girls. I certainly recieve special services that most others don't.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1161193]I think that if the service was disappointing there is no need indeed to give means to track this girl. Or do you want to share the disappointment with others? LOL.[/QUOTE]Service? Maybe he got lost in the cavern or the Sushi wasn't fresh.

[QUOTE=Goldentouch80;1161087]So. Anyways took that young girl to my hotel. She was nice and sweet. Once we reached the room. We bathed and afterr little bit of kissing she asked me to pump it in. I thought will unload it right now and then after sometgime the 2nd one will be the best shot. Finished it. She was too small and it was clearly painful for her. So did it with little caution. Finished. And she went to the shower room. And after sometime I see her coming out fully dressed and even with the purse in her hands."I have to go to school" I have to study" "my teacher doesn't know I work" blah blah. Called the mamasan who initially didn't pick up and thne is telling me tht let her go she has work tomo! WTF! I said you promised till morning and he said you come again tomo. Give you another good one for more time. And I didn't scare the girl at any point bt I guess she was still thinking maybe I won't let her go so tht mamasan wanted to know my hotel name so tht he comes there to pick her up![/QUOTE]So let me guess. You paid the mamasan before you took the girl right?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1161185]I enjoy the company of women, as long as their mouth is full the entire time. For example, it could be stuffed with hot dog, tongue, nipple, etc.

Doing this with non P4P would not work for me for various reasons, including my difficulty in keeping track of the multitude of lies I'd have to tell, if I accept what is being said here. With P4P gals I only need to tell a lie on occasion and listen to many, so it's much easier. Besides, I'm a lousy liar. [/QUOTE]Well, That's why I said the Story you build is very important. Of course I lie, but it's always the same Lie so I have no problem remembering.

Hi,

Is the news out already how elections will be handled this time?

No alcohol on 2nd and 3rd until midnight I think as always, but are the gogos and bars open or closed?

Anyone knows?

Mike

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1161204]So let me guess. You paid the mamasan before you took the girl right?[/QUOTE]Yes Buddy you are Bang on the core of the problem. I paid at the club. And then she came with me to the hotel. But do the clubs send the girls without tkaing the money?

[QUOTE=Roycankor; 1161067]WOW. That hole is deep, dry, and really wide. Wonder if those pics are before or after the dirty deed. If before. Scary. If after- I can understand why she was complaining.

Either way, like sushilover808 said, NASTY. Better not have put your lips down there. YUCK! [/QUOTE]Yes, I wiped the area then took pictures. Pictures k1 & k2 were before. Pictures K5, k6, & k7 were after. I don't know why they are shown out of order. Her ass was similarly stretched! Hope you enjoyed the pictures!

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1161113]Great pictures man! Horrible pussy but technically great pics, love the detail. Find some sweet young puss and post her!

JD[/QUOTE]I have not been able to find any young girls that do anal. Please let me know if you find one.

[QUOTE=Xdentx; 1161146]Arriving in BKK on Thursday. I saw Hangover II last night and thought it might be fun to visit the outdoor high rise lounge / restaurant where some of it was filmed. Any idea which building / hotel that was?

Also would be curious to check out any upscale lounges with live music. Older guy here not as focused on the women as in my many past trips. Just want to see some new territory. Thanks. [/QUOTE][url]Http://www.lebua.com/en/the-dome-dining/sirocco-restaurant/[/url]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1161198]Service? Maybe he got lost in the cavern or the Sushi wasn't fresh.[/QUOTE]But very fun to open the cavern.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1161401]I have not been able to find any young girls that do anal. Please let me know if you find one.[/QUOTE]Go to to Tulip and ask for one of their "young" girls. It's a "no brainer," man!

[QUOTE=Michi; 1161335]Hi,

Is the news out already how elections will be handled this time?

No alcohol on 2nd and 3rd until midnight I think as always, but are the gogos and bars open or closed?

Anyone knows?

Mike[/QUOTE]Michi,

Difficult issue.

There is a "training" session for the election the week before. No joke. Most likely the week before the election alcohol sales stop at 6 pm on Saturday until midnight on Sunday. (Background: Regulations about early voting, if for some reasons people are not in Thailand on the 3rd of July).

On the 2nd for sure no alcohol after 6 pm. Sunday no alcohol until midnight.

Democracy is a serious issue here in Thailand. It is that serious that the police considers it to be the big pay-day. Especially non-voters (foreigners) drinking or selling alcohol that day (s) are highly appreciated income sources to finance the new car for the [new] mia-nois.

Most of the bars will be open. Many of them will sell alcohol in cups and bowls. A bit hidden. Watch for snipers on the roof, you never know, how seriously democracy is taken in just that moment of opening the beer bottle. Always remember that we are farang, and important people here in Thailand "don't respect farang" (deputy prime minister Suthep). Even worse, some of those farang are "farang bastards" (Suthep about Robert Amsterdam).

Check out who is around you in the bar[s]. If you see Mr. Prayuth - leave. If you wear flip-flops with the face of the PM printed on them - You should leave very very fast! Mr. Prayuth ordered that nobody is allowed to sell and wear those flip-flops. Now, there is [of course] no law in Thailand that forbids this kind of shoes. But Mr. Prayuth ordered that. And that is somehow something similar to a law. So. FOLLOW THE LAWS. Thai's take democracy very seriously!

BTW, Sex is not allowed during those election days (Saturday & Sunday the week before, Saturday & Sunday of the election weekend). Thais shall concentrate on voting! No distraction. If you take a girl out of a bar you have to expect long discussions about the political issues of Thailand: Aehhh. Hmmmmm. Thaksin gooooooood! . You can help her in recommending Party / Candidate No. 15 on the ballots. That's Mr. Chuwit and his "Rak Prathet Thai" party. Some years ago Mr. Chuwit owned most of the massage parlours here in Bangkok (Victoria's Secret etc.). He sold all of them and built the Davis Hotel. May be he can be convinced by his voters to roll this sudden desire for "respectability" back, sell the hotel and build some new massage parlours. .

Democracy is a serious issue here in Thailand. It's that serious that most of the serious opposition politicians meet to a huge party that day. In prison. I don't know whether you can cast your ballot in prison, or whether they allow alcohol there (most likely yes). All that does not matter - I think it is clearly visible how seriously democracy is taken if the ruling power "convinces" the opposition politicians to meet in prison.

There is another election party outside of the prison: The Banned Politician Frustration Boozing Party! For sure the drink alcohol there. All those politicians who are not allowed of being candidates because they are banned from politics for 5 years. That's really hard for them, they decided to "donate" their lifes to the public, work hard for the people - and fill their pockets with "public" tax income of the government. That's fair, right? --- And now they are banned from politics. That's a reason to drink. I understand that.

But - we should take it easy. After the election we are back in 2005. Everything is fine.

Did I forget something?

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

PS: The coup was 2006.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1161513]BTW, Sex is not allowed during those election days (Saturday & Sunday the week before, Saturday & Sunday of the election weekend). Thais shall concentrate on voting! No distraction. If you take a girl out of a bar you have to expect long discussions about the political issues of Thailand: Aehhh. Hmmmmm. Thaksin gooooooood! . You can help her in recommending Party / Candidate No. 15 on the ballots. That's Mr. Chuwit and his "Rak Prathet Thai" party. Some years ago Mr. Chuwit owned most of the massage parlours here in Bangkok (Victoria's Secret etc.). He sold all of them and built the Davis Hotel. May be he can be convinced by his voters to roll this sudden desire for "respectability" back, sell the hotel and build some new massage parlours. .

Did I forget something? [/QUOTE]Giotto,

Chuwit used to own most parlors? Slight exaggeration he he! How many Soapy Parlours exist in Bangkok and surrounds, probably hundreds. Chuwit did have a few though in the old days. Good honest living. ;) Actually Victoria's Secret is probably the most obscure of what was the Davis Group parlours, due to its strange location and even marked on Maps incorrectly by Thai experts who probably never went there. Most of the other Soapies in the group are more well known although now sold to other groups. Copacabana, Emmanuelle, Honolulu (now Long Beach) , Hi Class, Victoria's Secret, and Julianna (La Defense). BTW, most of these are on the superior Soapies list (worth a try).

No publicity at all for Mr. Abhisit?, the man who cannot even sensibly spell his own name (in English). Unfortunately his surname is spelled nothing at all like how it sounds.
Abhisit Vejjajiva, Thai: [size=+2]อภิสิทธิ์ เวชชาชีวะ [/size]
Here is a much better approximate spelling: Aphisit Wetchaachiwa (or A-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-it Wait-char-chee-wa: )
There are no V or J sounds in his surname at all whether using English or other European languages.

Abhisit has been trying to woo over the poorer people by having free electricity and water (for the very low frugal users) and subsidised education expenses like free travel on public transport for students, however the poor people are not satisifed with some help they never before got. Give them a little and they want to take a mile. They want all eduction costs to be paid for. They want everything to be free. Its too tiresome to work for money. They want the most talented corruption experts like Thaksin back. In the end it doesn't matter how corrupt he is and how much he lines his own pockets as long as Thai enconomy is going better. Don't for a minute think I would vote for Abhisit (if I were a Thai). Who can be happy with all the killings, specially the innocent bypassers by snipers, even though some of the red-shirts did dreadful things? The Thaksin group seems to have better control of the media and suppressing news not in their favour. Maybe Mr. Chuwit is the one to support, supposedly to help keep the others honest.

Meanwhile the economy suffers from inept politicians, corruption, global warming, China dams, Natural disasters, Floods, Issan many year doughts, reduced tourism due to Yellows blocking the airport, Red blockades, Snipers, Reds burning down the shopping complexes, SARS, Bird Flue, Tsunamis, etc. It makes the regular Coups of the past seem very insignificant. Forgive me for stating the obvious (for newbies who may not have experienced it all).

Thailand has really gone to shit for the poor, except for isolated provinces like Satun, where everything goes on just fine. Meanwhile Thailand is still just fine for us mongers, due to mongering places for Farangs being much less busy. All the so called reasons for not travelling to Thailand hold very little practical sense at all. Its a very safe country unless you stupidly go near or get involved where the shit is happening and where you are told very clearly not to go. Hard to say if Thailand will become less safe in the future, but not a worry just yet.

If we are talking about Thai pussy, its extra fresh here in BKK.

For Japanese very fresh Sushi,"Toaya" (closed Tuesdays) in Sukumvit Soi 33/1 (out back of Villa Markt etc.) is very fresh and well priced and open for lunch and dinner. Yes its hard to find really well priced quality Japanese food but does exist.

I am a very experienced Japanese diner so I do known something.

[QUOTE=John Palmer; 1160583]They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.

Serious.

To get laid with a non pro you need time and time. Outside BKK it may be different or not but this is the status.

Even in my country the ladies are more easy to fuck. I want my flight ticket money back.

About NEP, more ladyboys clubs then ladies. I visit NEP yesterday.

Tomorrow I will try Pattaya. [/QUOTE]I've never found it difficult, really. I usually have, at least, one freebie per trip to Thailand. Tagged works best for me. I've been really successful with it.

Lying, and saying you want something, will probably be a red light if you're just on a trip. Just be straight forward.

[QUOTE=Michi; 1161335]Hi,

Is the news out already how elections will be handled this time?

No alcohol on 2nd and 3rd until midnight I think as always, but are the gogos and bars open or closed?

Anyone knows?

Mike[/QUOTE]Curious also; as I will be in Bangkok at that time.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin; 1161158]I haven't seen the film but I read it was Sirocco at the Dome State Tower / Lebua, it's much more stunning than Vertigo at Banyan Tree Hotel or Red Sky at Centara Grand Hotel!

Dress code smart casual and men must have shoes.

Here's BKK top floor bars:

Sirocco at the Dome:

[url]www.thedomebkk.com/web/index.html[/url]

Vertigo:

[url]www.banyantree.com/bangkok/Vertigo.Html[/url]

Red Sky (newest) :

[url]centarahotelsresorts.Com/cgcw/restaurant.Asp[/url][/QUOTE]Yes you are right, Sirocco is the most stunning but not only in views but also with its over the moon drink costs!

Can you guys keep your political shit out of this forum?

As a tourist, I don't want to read this stuff.

Personally, I appreciate the perspective on the politics.

Any idea how to contact Old Thai Hand? I have a question for him.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1161767]Can you guys keep your political shit out of this forum?

As a tourist, I don't want to read this stuff. [/QUOTE]Only "sex tourism" I presume. ;) Did you have time for any normal (other) tourism?

A forum like this has many shit reports that can be skipped over if desired. Just read the good informative reports, and ignore the rest, especially those negativity packed ones.

[QUOTE=Goldentouch80;1161384]Yes Buddy you are Bang on the core of the problem. I paid at the club. And then she came with me to the hotel. But do the clubs send the girls without tkaing the money?[/QUOTE]Only at MP's do you pay upfront, how much did you pay for LT, and Is Honey club a MP?

[QUOTE=Papae Noel;1161981]Personally, I appreciate the perspective on the politics.[/QUOTE]You completely missed my point. But anyway. There is a section about Thai Politics in the other forum. The one where us expats have been asked to hang out and talk about serious matters.

This thread was about ST and LT prices only and the Tourists ruled.

Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.

Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.

She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.

When we got to the room, we started some DFK. Then she pulled down my pants and gave me one of the best BBBJ's I have ever had. It lasted a good 15 minutes with lots of slurping, looking up and smiling. I was reaching down the back of her skirt and playing with her asshole and butt during the BJ. Her top was off and she had great tits that I played with also. I then laid on top of her and we kissed. Damn, if I didn't start to feel a cock bulging. I said "Oh shit". I got out of there quickly and told her I did not know. I went back to my hotel took a long shower and drank mouthwash. Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1162296]Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.

Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.

She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.

When we got to the room, we started some DFK. [/QUOTE]Apparently you were too excited to notice the stubble on her chin and upper lip.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1162318]Apparently you were too excited to notice the stubble on her chin and upper lip.[/QUOTE]I didn't notice it, but I bet the balls were hairy.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1162169]You completely missed my point. But anyway. There is a section about Thai Politics in the other forum. The one where us expats have been asked to hang out and talk about serious matters.

This thread was about ST and LT prices only and the Tourists ruled. [/QUOTE]Some of us didn't appreciate the creation of Expats forum, and don't look in there at all.

Its simple really. Should have just Thailand forum and most frequently access threads should be at the top or those with recent posts if user prefers to sort that to the top. Too many junk threads fixed to the top, IMHO

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1162361]Some of us didn't appreciate the creation of Expats forum, and don't look in there at all.[/QUOTE]Yes, that was my point

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1162296]Damn, if I didn't start to feel a cock bulging.[/QUOTE]Does this mean you don't "luvpuss" anymore?

SOS. Calling out all New Yorkers. I apologise in advance for using the wrong thread.

There must be something here who can help a fellow punter in need.

Having been spoilt by the choices of FKK's in Germany; Austria and Zurich.

The punting scene in London; HK; China; Singapore; Bangkok and Malaysia. I am really.

Disapponted with the choices on offer in the Big Apple.

It should be renamed the Big Tease!

Only been to a few lap dancing places in Manhattan (Rick's; Flash Dancers; Dolls etc.)

And the bloody online Escort agencies are charging a whopping $500-$600 per hour.

For locals and EE girls I can get in FKK for 100 euros.

Can anyone recommend any online places or hidden houses in NYC. Tried all the papers

And there's NOTHING!

Please PM me. I'm sure to return the favour in the near future

[QUOTE=Simex; 1162625]SOS. Calling out all New Yorkers. I apologise in advance for using the wrong thread.

And there's NOTHING!

Please PM me. I'm sure to return the favour in the near future[/QUOTE]Time to move out of NY then, eh.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1162296]Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. .......................... Then she pulled down my pants and gave me one of the best BBBJ's I have ever had. ................ Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB.[/QUOTE]Well now you know who can give the best BJs. Congrats. :)

[QUOTE=Simex; 1162625]I apologise in advance for using the wrong thread.

Can anyone recommend any online places or hidden houses in NYC. Tried all the papers

And there's NOTHING!

Please PM me. I'm sure to return the favour in the near future[/QUOTE]Check out Jackson's USA Sex Guide. The link is on the front page.

I would use [url]www.backpage.com[/url] (under escorts).

You need to be careful about rip-offs and bait & switch, but many are good providers. Note: The providers used Craig's List previously, but after they stopped that kind of stuff on Craig's List, many providers changed to backpage.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1162649]Check out Jackson's USA Sex Guide. The link is on the front page.

I would use.

[url]www.backpage.com[/url]

(under escorts).

You need to be careful about rip-offs and bait & switch, but many are good providers. Note: The providers used Craig's List previously, but after they stopped that kind of stuff on Craig's List, many providers changed to backpage. [/QUOTE]I was recently researching this very topic for a return trip to a different US city. It looked to me like backpage is suffering the same pressure and fate of CL. Those provider links were "under review" or words to that effect and the links were dead.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1162725]I was recently researching this very topic for a return trip to a different US city. It looked to me like backpage is suffering the same pressure and fate of CL. Those provider links were "under review" or words to that effect and the links were dead.[/QUOTE]Using craigslist or backpage isn't very good anyways. They're both filled with junk and bait and switch agencies and girls who provide awful service.

You have to read forums and review sites to find the good ones. The going rate is $300 / hr.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1162296]Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.

Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.

She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.

- Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB. [/QUOTE]You re not the first nor the last.

At least you enjoyed till...you found out! LOL.

That might mean the service was excellent! LMAO

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1162035]A forum like this has many shit reports that can be skipped over if desired. Just read the good informative reports, and ignore the rest, especially those negativity packed ones. [/QUOTE]Yours are a good example, being packed with contemptuous arrogance toward the working (actually. Exploited) class and their demands."they want anything for free". People like you should serve 5 years living in the conditions these people live in for life.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1162813]Yours are a good example, being packed with contemptuous arrogance toward the working (actually. Exploited) class and their demands."they want anything for free". People like you should serve 5 years living in the conditions these people live in for life.[/QUOTE]New Old Guy,

Wow, it's getting a bit serious now, don't you think?

My comment in regards of the elections was a bit ironic / sarcastic. Syzygies respond was adding some more information to the issue. So where is the problem? That [gay] frog-eaters then misuse my comment for dealing with their problem of coming to terms with some events of the past of this forum - such is [French] life. Who cares? Want another sausage, Froggie :) ?

As for "contemptuous arrogance" towards THE WORKING (EXPLOITED) class - aaeeehh ... I hope you know what you are talking about. Though this is of course a generalization [and the exception proves the rule], if we talk here about the "working" class of Isaan then I am for sure "contemptuous arrogant", too. I had NOTHING to add to Syzygies comments on this issue, its right on the spot.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

PS: Syzygies, we did not talk about Newin :) ...yet !

[QUOTE=Giotto;1161513]You can help her in recommending Party / Candidate No. 15 on the ballots. That's Mr. Chuwit and his "Rak Prathet Thai" party.[/QUOTE]Surely you mean #5.

BTW what's up with Chuwit's English language election poster? Lots of folks who can't read Thai have voting rights?

[QUOTE=Giotto;1162843]Want another sausage, Froggie :) ?[/QUOTE]Now you offer me one? Last time I came to see you, all you offered me was the smoke of your Cigarette. LOL

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1162296]Last time in BKK, I picked up a FL on the south side of Suk, near Soi 5. They usually hang out near the bus stop there.

Very cute with nice smile. I have picked up FL's there several times in the past.

She takes me to a ST hotel off Soi 3. We agreed on 700 ST. The hotel cost 200.

When we got to the room, we started some DFK. Then she pulled down my pants and gave me one of the best BBBJ's I have ever had. It lasted a good 15 minutes with lots of slurping, looking up and smiling. I was reaching down the back of her skirt and playing with her asshole and butt during the BJ. Her top was off and she had great tits that I played with also. I then laid on top of her and we kissed. Damn, if I didn't start to feel a cock bulging. I said "Oh shit". I got out of there quickly and told her I did not know. I went back to my hotel took a long shower and drank mouthwash. Felt pretty stupid that I did not know it was LB. [/QUOTE]Luvpuss, you can't wash the gay away. You might as well accept that you're at least bicurious. :D

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1162813]Yours are a good example, being packed with contemptuous arrogance toward the working (actually. Exploited) class and their demands."they want anything for free". People like you should serve 5 years living in the conditions these people live in for life.[/QUOTE]It wasn't intended to be a very serious piece and included various frivolous things.
My comments about some poor Thai people being greedy, come from a hard working Thai chef who studies the Thai news avidly and daily, and also knows the Thai people very well. I am not knowledgeable myself but get info from Thais who know a lot more. I don't feel special contempt for lazy Thais. I am not extremely hard working myself. BTW their are lazy people in many countries who want free handouts from the government. That's where a lot of my taxes go.

I have a lot of sympathy for hard working Thais that work long hours and earn very little. I am from a lucky country.

BTW, some Thais were getting a nice handout by receiving cash to go join the Red blockade. Bad luck when they got sick but were not permitted to leave. There are always some people we can feel contempt for. That is very normal.
I feel contempt for the super rich bankers who lined their pockets without doing anything productive.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1162968]Luvpuss, you can't wash the gay away. You might as well accept that you're at least bicurious. :D[/QUOTE]Maybe he can try to pray the gay away. It seems to me he is trysexual. He'll try anything. He still didn't say what he paid for the STBBBJ + tip. Oh, I guess it was him who was supposed to be receiving the "tip." LOL

I have a return trip to Thailand upcoming (report coming from my last one a few weeks back. First time in Thai in 10 years, too much work). Due to some crazy travel schedules and work related calls I won't be able to get out until 4:00/4:30 AM on the day I arrive, but I do want to have a nice stress reliever with a Thai cutie.

Anyone have experience with Nana Liquid that late? Will there be any talent left or will I be left with the picked over dregs? I'm assuming the short time price should be pretty modest at that time of night / morning.

Any advice / experience would be greatly appreciated

[QUOTE=Asiafanatic; 1163021]I have a return trip to Thailand upcoming (report coming from my last one a few weeks back. First time in Thai in 10 years, too much work). Due to some crazy travel schedules and work related calls I won't be able to get out until 4:00/4:30 AM on the day I arrive, but I do want to have a nice stress reliever with a Thai cutie.

Anyone have experience with Nana Liquid that late? Will there be any talent left or will I be left with the picked over dregs? I'm assuming the short time price should be pretty modest at that time of night / morning.

Any advice / experience would be greatly appreciated[/QUOTE]What about stopping and searching a few meters before Nana Liquid, ie Nana park. Some talents should still be round at that time. Not necessarily left overs. No need to get into a club, drink and scout for girls at the time of the early morning. Doesn't look to me the hours of the day to be "wasted" in that!

Well, well, well.

Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.

22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.

We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.

Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.

And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.

Bangkok Beat was not that enjoyable, I mean, how can one have a proper conversation when the music is so loud?

There was a band but the Band really sucked. I mean, they must have been pretty cheap. And Drinks were really expensive for such a crap place.

If you went Sunday night then it will be crap.

Its amazing how Thermae brings out the worst in some farangs, seen many coming out of Thermae scolding the girls for not being interested in him as he is not a Jap.

Actually there are some real nice ones in there and you can get them being a farang, but you have to be a nice and attractive farang.

Those that end up pulling nothing and getting rebuked by the girls often tell stories of how bad Thermae is. . Perhaps it was just Sunday night? .

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1163056]Well, well, well.

Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.

22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.

We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.

Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.

And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.

Bangkok Beat was not that enjoyable, I mean, how can one have a proper conversation when the music is so loud?

There was a band but the Band really sucked. I mean, they must have been pretty cheap. And Drinks were really expensive for such a crap place. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1163056]Well, well, well.

Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.

22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.

We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.

Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.

And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.

Bangkok Beat was not that enjoyable, I mean, how can one have a proper conversation when the music is so loud?

There was a band but the Band really sucked. I mean, they must have been pretty cheap. And Drinks were really expensive for such a crap place. [/QUOTE]I was sitting in the bar above, overlooking Thermae, about that time. I would have said Hello!

Was in Cowboy last night. Checked out a few bars around 9pm. Some cuties at Bacarra as always. Didn't see a single girl in Tilac that I would pay to have sex with.

As much as I loathe the Nana are I'm going to check it out tonight in the hope it's better than Cowboy.

anyone ever tried the places on th ratchaprarop? they look like thai karaoke places, but without karaoke, just some girls hanging out.

on a bit of a bender lately. some reports:

teen massage vip 3:

had 5 girls when i went. definitely not teens; all of them 30-35. very average looking. picked one who was probably about 32 with silicone. 400 for oil massage, which was pretty good with some body sliding. service overall was decent. she bled all over the bed. charged me 2000 for the full service. i suspected i was being overcharged, but i hadn't done my homework so i couldn't really negotiate. would not return or recommend.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s:

had never been here before because i didn't think i would like it. picked the youngest of the girls sitting out front, who were all about 4-5s. went upstairs and got a bj. i was the only customer, thank god. she wasn't very good at it, which i suspect was due to her age. whole thing took about 15 minutes. definitely worth it for the experience. might go again at some point.

nana:

arrived about 8:00pm and barfined a 20 year old by 8:15. great girl. i love the low season.

legit massage places:

i visit these pretty often. have always liked the nice older ladies who give legitimate thai massages. most of them are single and i always wonder if a lot are retired bargirls. most of the time it's just a massage, but once in a while one of them will get more friendly. went to one shop near victory monument and ended up with my hand up the skirt of a nice looking 50 year old lady. she came herself and gave me a hj. and asked for 500 baht.

happened to me also in phuket where i ran through the entire staff at one place. not just a hj, but dfk and everything else too. half of them didn't even want any money. they were really scared the manager would find out, but then she was alone one day and gave me a massage herself and the same thing happened. i guess they get horny just sitting around all day.

So my time has finally come and I'll be landing in BKK next wed. Morning. I just wanted to run a couple questions by all you pro mongers of Thailand

First, I land at 7am on a Wednesday, I'm working on getting a early check in, but if that falls through what would you do to kill some time in BKK. I'm staying right next to Nana plaza, is there any where you guys would recommend for a early morning ST girl?

Second, what is the highest I should pay for a LT girl in BKK? What should my cap be for bar fines as well?

Thanks for any help. Look forward to sharing a few pictures and stories on IGS, cheers Chance

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1163056]Well, well, well.

Met a senior member at asoke and we decided to go to Bangkok Beat but before that, did a Detour by thermae.

22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.

We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.

Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for.

And to think some guys whine because we are losing that place to the Sashimis? Fuck me, let them have it, no need to fight over sub-standard girls.

[/QUOTE]This makes me sad.

I had some great luck there a few years ago. Found some absolute 20-23 yr old hotties there for very reasonable 2500 LT. You had to look a little hotter but GoGo quality girls could be found for sure. All of them were great GFEs too.

So where did the hot young FLs go?

[QUOTE=Chancesrq; 1163217]So my time has finally come and I'll be landing in BKK next wed. Morning. I just wanted to run a couple questions by all you pro mongers of Thailand

First, I land at 7am on a Wednesday, I'm working on getting a early check in, but if that falls through what would you do to kill some time in BKK. I'm staying right next to Nana plaza, is there any where you guys would recommend for a early morning ST girl?

Second, what is the highest I should pay for a LT girl in BKK? What should my cap be for bar fines as well?

Thanks for any help. Look forward to sharing a few pictures and stories on IGS, cheers Chance[/QUOTE]Answer to first question: Get to hotel and check-in if possible. If not, leave bags there and go to Mango, Tulip or Snow White. They open at 10am. Kill 2 hours there. Go back to hotel and recover.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1163247]Answer to first question: Get to hotel and check-in if possible. If not, leave bags there and go to Mango, Tulip or Snow White. They open at 10am. Kill 2 hours there. Go back to hotel and recover.[/QUOTE]Not sure about Tulip but you can email both Mango and Snow White to make a reservation / advance booking and have them come to your hotel for a few Baht more [1, 000 vs 800 for two hrs].

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1163056]22:30 or 23:00 I think and upon arriving there were some ladies and some ladies (with dick) outside. Talent was poor. Many Jappos outside smoking their cigarettes.

We went inside and oh-my-lord what a total mess this place is! Many ladies seating there with guys or alone or in groups. Straight out of Star Wars.

Some girls gave me smiles and inviting looks but I did not even see 1 girl that was worth paying any amount for. [/QUOTE]Well have to agree totally. This (the old Thermae) was a great place, and even the little Thermae Soapy upstairs. 15-20 years ago had some great girls. I can still contact a couple of those Soapy girls, Noi and Neung who are pushing 40 years of age now.

But I have concluded that in recent years the Thermae is a total waste of time. Talent poor and some may be looking only for '3-4-5' guys. Can't remember when last got a girl in or outside Thermae. Too long ago. Better off looking at street walkers outside (and I rarely do that unless incredibly pretty and not suspicious). Despite what Nic says, there are better girls available in Cowboy and seeing them naked or nearly naked definitely helps in the choosing (also very few LBs in Cowboy). Not sure if LBs hang out inside Thermae (I forget) but rather "Cantina Bar / Cafe" (Star Wars) as Nic says.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zd_khk6zXo&feature=fvwrel[/url]

[QUOTE=Evianist;1163178]Anyone ever tried the places on Th Ratchaprarop? They look like Thai karaoke places, but without karaoke, just some girls hanging out.[/QUOTE]I used to live there part time (Pratu Nam) , but still didn't bother to try them. Chao Phraya II was nearby and good, a few years back, and Cleopatra was also not far away but closed now.

First time I took a girl out of a Nana gogo. From Angelwitch, the girls were much better than expected from most reports here. Overall I'd say one good notch up in cuteness over the oilies I went to. And not as dolled up as in soapies. Young, good bodies, sexy lingerie etc. The shows were nothing special, but I didn't stay long.

A 22yo made eye contact and was pretty aggressive, and not unpleasant, super cute face. (Plaa) Took me for ST at the upstairs 300Baht hotel (clean, decent room) ; not the best deal in town overall: drinks and barfine about 900Baht, ST 1500+ 200 tip. But really super nice face and tight body and she let go a little during the deed (gave her some oral, she got quite wet.)

Would take her LT but it's always better not to get too attached to those girls, isn't it?

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1163263]Not sure about Tulip but you can email both Mango and Snow White to make a reservation / advance booking and have them come to your hotel for a few Baht more [1, 000 vs 800 for two hrs].[/QUOTE]And then of course if it turns out that he can't check in early, they can go for a coffee together for a couple of hours. :)

[QUOTE=Crazykf;1163575]First time I took a girl out of a Nana gogo. . . . . Took me for ST at the upstairs 300Baht hotel (clean, decent room) ; not the best deal in town overall: drinks and barfine about 900Baht, ST 1500+ 200 tip.[/QUOTE]How long was the ST "inhouse" at Nana? I mean the ST hotel is in the premises, so kind of inhouse rooms, so no time wasted in going to and back from an hotel in Sukh.

Should give some time in the room benefit. Or not? Or is it 1 pop whatver it takes.

What is always puzzling me is the BF: same for ST and LT.

That's "unfair", since a girl can get 2-3 ST a night and greater benefit for the bar, whilst if she goes out for 1 LT she gets more, and the bar. Not really. Should be the otehr way round.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1163129]I was sitting in the bar above, overlooking Thermae, about that time. I would have said Hello![/QUOTE]Well we were in there TWICE! (once in each direction) Why the hell didn't you say Hello? Humph!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1163263]Not sure about Tulip but you can email both Mango and Snow White to make a reservation / advance booking and have them come to your hotel for a few Baht more [1, 000 vs 800 for two hrs].[/QUOTE]Forget about email. I tried to book via email for Mango and ended up calling. When I complained they didn't answer email they said that their email hasn't worked for months. Just call them to book.

[QUOTE=Crazykf;1163575]Would take her LT but it's always better not to get too attached to those girls, isn't it?[/QUOTE]So take her LT, and don't get attached.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1163605]How long was the ST "inhouse" at Nana? I mean the ST hotel is in the premises, so kind of inhouse rooms, so no time wasted in going to and back from an hotel in Sukh.

Should give some time in the room benefit. Or not? Or is it 1 pop whatver it takes.

What is always puzzling me is the BF: same for ST and LT.

That's "unfair", since a girl can get 2-3 ST a night and greater benefit for the bar, whilst if she goes out for 1 LT she gets more, and the bar. Not really. Should be the otehr way round. [/QUOTE]Well the Hollywood Hotel in Nana is not really inside one of the bars. Really nice place all in all and the girl gets 50 baht of the 350 you pay as a kickback.

Still wondering how much is the most I should spend on a LT in Thailand / BKK? Not really on a budget, but still don't want to be spending to much.

Thanks for the ST suggestions.

[QUOTE=Chancesrq; 1163691]Still wondering how much is the most I should spend on a LT in Thailand / BKK? Not really on a budget, but still don't want to be spending to much.

Thanks for the ST suggestions. [/QUOTE]Tehre is ONE big suggestion here_ RTFF: it is all said here tons of times.

BF.

ST.

LT.

Soapie.

Free alncers.

Go-go.

Etc etc

[QUOTE=Pita123;1163683]Well the Hollywood Hotel in Nana is not really inside one of the bars. Really nice place all in all and the girl gets 50 baht of the 350 you pay as a kickback.[/QUOTE]I know where they ST hotels are.

This is why I say they are nearly "inhouse", just one floor above!

A real advantage for the girl (and the bar) as it does not take long to reach the deeed place.

I RTFF quite a lot actually and I've seen more senior member say RTFF more then I've seen the answers to what ever the question is. You're probably right though, I'll spend the next hour or so digging it up and I'll post it.

Not trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] anyone off on here, sorry I asked a simply question.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1163693]Tehre is ONE big suggestion here_ RTFF: it is all said here tons of times.

BF.

ST.

LT.

Soapie.

Free alncers.

Go-go.

Etc etc[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pita123;1163677]Well we were in there TWICE! (once in each direction) Why the hell didn't you say Hello? Humph![/QUOTE]You must have been wearing your Captain Jack Sparrow disguise. I was sitting at the front with The Shrimp, feeling very jet lagged, eyes propped open with matchsticks.

[QUOTE=Chancesrq; 1163709]I RTFF quite a lot actually and I've seen more senior member say RTFF more then I've seen the answers to what ever the question is. You're probably right though, I'll spend the next hour or so digging it up and I'll post it.

Not trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] anyone off on here, sorry I asked a simply question. [/QUOTE]Nobody likes to answer this because there is no easy answer. It all depends on the time, place, girl and the random Thai factor (annd your own appearance and bargaining skills). And anyone who does answer will get shot down with the 'You paid how much? ' retort.

You really will have to RTFF and ask more specific questions. Hope that helps a bit.

Last week I spend some days in Bangkok.

In general it was quite low and not much to do in every bar / disco and around the streets.

Is economy hitting the Thai's or is it the upcoming election?

Visited the Mixx disco at the basement of the President tower / Intercontinental Chit Lom after the time that Spasso / Hyatt closed. 2 AM.

Surprising talent, reasonable music and in a adjacent room with different music they allow you to smoke.

Interesting girls (Spasso level) but could not manage to take one with me for an overnight.

On one of the days I did my Gulliver's tour, entrance the bar at around 5 PM, play some rounds of pool and have something to eat.

As always I had to play during one of the rounds with a funny girl (who was together with a girlfriend) and asked her after some rounds if she was willing to play with me in the backside what in essence means we only play together and not the winner stays and plays with the next on the list.

Of course she accepted immediately and during the rounds we had a nice conversation. On a certain moment I saw that she had a tattoo on her back and I joked during the next smoking break when she would show me her 'painting' on the back. She laught but switched the conversation into the direction of her girlfriend who came there every days because she needed money and did not have a regular job.

My pool girl said (I did not believe BTW) that she only came down to the city if she met with friends as she had a decent job / income.

We continuing with some rounds of pool and incidential touching without any reason was more part of the game.

In the next smoking break I asked her directly if she wanted to go with me and she said immediately yes (she did not said this even she knicked with her head).

No money or time to stay was discussed. I always take the approach that I will reward her after having experiencing her service.

In my room we had a pleasurable time and after the cuddling part on the couch for around 45 minutes we headed to the shower and during the cleaning part I found that her anus was not blocked.

After the shower we tried her backhole for some minutes but it did not really work: she was too tight and I was too thick. We moved over to the kickentable and later to the bedroom and we did all the other positions.

Already on the couch I made jokes of taking pictures (from her tattoos) and she allowed that enthusiastic.

Kicked her out after 2, 5 hours as I wanted to sleep for some hours before I could start on my night tour.

Paid her THB 1500 and THB 200 for taxi and she seemed happy with this.

Next day when I entered Gulliver's again she was sitting direct in front and she smiled greatly, me too but decided. . . . . Never eat the same dinner every day.

Enjoy the pictures.

Thanks for that report.

I wish, I could kick my own ass to be patient enough to do it this way.

Normally I publish pics at the Thai Photo Gallery. Without putting too much effort in writing.

BTW. I know that woman. She told me her name is Kaersorn. She is in the business since years. One day she told me that she is not going with customers anymore. Just trying to find customers for "her" friends, for "her" girls. Sounded to me like a "freelancing Mama San". Later she went to Great Britain and it looks like as if she is back now.

I never went with her. But she sent me some of her own pics. Could forward by pm if you would like to.

Thanks again.

Maa Paa

[quote=chancesrq; 1163709]i rtff quite a lot actually and i've seen more senior member say rtff more then i've seen the answers to what ever the question is. you're probably right though, i'll spend the next hour or so digging it up and i'll post it.

not trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] anyone off on here, sorry i asked a simply question. [/quote]the senior members (including bionicman) have a good point. the price will vary depending on where you go and what you look like, and ballpark figures are provided throughout the forums (if you have time to read them). i think one of the reasons for the rtff use is because otherwise there would be a continual stream of posts asking the questions that could be inferred from older posts).

hope the following helps you though:

from personal experience, when i was there last (not too long ago) , i went in with the knowledge that between 2000 and 3000 thb was ok price for lt. i was pleasantly surprised to find all but twice i paid 2000 lt, even at gogo bars (once i paid 2500 (i was drunk and she was hot) , once 1500 (my first night, was with a fl, who i didn't realise was charging, and i had bought a ridiculous number of drinks for in a drunken state, she seemed very happy still). most bar and smaller gogo bar girls seemed to ask 2500, only some would reduce price (it did not seem to depend on their looks either, i barfined the same girl 3 times un-consecutively from soi cowboy who was hotter than 90% of girls in larger gogos). however, due to having a lot more money to play with, i am considering spending a little bit more on this trip (sthat tarts tonight) , and going for that other 10.

barfines are whatever the house sets (unless you pick up a fl). inexpensive and amazing bjs can be had at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (from memory 700thb, might have tipped. can't remember. i too will have to rtff).

however, you can only really use this as an approximation, as you and i may be very different ages, body shape, have different demeanors and dress sense etc, which may change many girl's asking price.

oh, and if anyone who is in bkk wants to catch up for a drink and / or mongering pm me, i will be staying at the nanatai from tonight until sunday night (though i do have a martini and foi gras brunch booked at the four seasons sunday).

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1163808]Nobody likes to answer this because there is no easy answer. It all depends on the time, place, girl and the random Thai factor (annd your own appearance and bargaining skills). And anyone who does answer will get shot down with the 'You paid how much? ' retort.

You really will have to RTFF and ask more specific questions. Hope that helps a bit. [/QUOTE]Indeed if one just reads the current page he will see some prices.

As nobody can write a BKK guide every two days because of queries, an answer would be:

ST from 500 to 2000.

LT from 1000 to 5/10. 000.

Places: list 5-10 Soi's.

Hours: from 10am to. 10am.

Age range of WG: from 18 and a day through 50.

Services: from kiss on lips to 4-somes with no holes barred and a LB as special guest.

I mean, would that help?

Don't think so. .

I can Write a complete guide for Massage, Bars, Clubs. But I want to get paid! No way I will waste the time and efforts for nothing.

So, how about a 2 hours. 3 some fuck fest sonsorship@La Belle? (Value 8, 000 thb)

Any takers?

[QUOTE=Pita123;1163679]Forget about email. I tried to book via email for Mango and ended up calling. When I complained they didn't answer email they said that their email hasn't worked for months. Just call them to book.[/QUOTE]When ring Mango, the voice is very feint. The phone doesn't work that well either. Thankfully English is quite okay. As for email, highly unrecommended. TIT.

Reminds me of a booking I had made at Snow white. They completely fucked it up even though I called in advance and reconfirmed. In Thailand, there is no such thing as a BOOKING. Money talks.

If you book the lady for later in the day and that another asshole arrives 30mn before, cash in hand. They will give him the lady and then make up a sorry excuse for you: She holiday, her mum sick you have to take her to hospital, she have funeral, she have booking before and man decide he want 2 hours more.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1163915]Reminds me of a booking I had made at Snow white. They completely fucked it up even though I called in advance and reconfirmed. In Thailand, there is no such thing as a BOOKING. Money talks.

If you book the lady for later in the day and that another asshole arrives 30mn before, cash in hand. They will give him the lady and then make up a sorry excuse for you: She holiday, her mum sick you have to take her to hospital, she have funeral, she have booking before and man decide he want 2 hours more. [/QUOTE]To be fair, I suspect that a lot of the time phone bookiings don't turn up or arrive late. And if a girl is booked for 5pm and a customer shows up at 3pm for a 1hour session that turns into 2hours?

Ever arrived for a flight only to be told that it is full? Overbooking happens everywhere and actually keeps prices down (in other industries).

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1163929]To be fair, I suspect that a lot of the time phone bookiings don't turn up or arrive late.[/QUOTE]You are right. Maybe but I am a repeat customer and I called the SW Tomboy cashier (who knows me). I am not some Random Joe Blow and she knows it.

When I showed up there, she immediately realised her mistake and was very apologetic. It's ok, Mai pen Rai, mistakes happen. She booked me for the day after (wrong in her calendar).

And yes, I know sessions can go overtime since the lady I booked at SW was a lady I spent 4 hours with already. Yes. 4 hours. That's 1600 thb only for the massage. SW was nice enough to knock off 200 for me.

Anyway, have not been there since the misshap, but might consider them again.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1163695]I know where they ST hotels are.

This is why I say they are nearly "inhouse", just one floor above!

A real advantage for the girl (and the bar) as it does not take long to reach the deeed place. [/QUOTE]This one isn't even a floor up. It is at the top of the escalator.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1163929]To be fair, I suspect that a lot of the time phone bookiings don't turn up or arrive late. And if a girl is booked for 5pm and a customer shows up at 3pm for a 1hour session that turns into 2hours [/QUOTE]I was in Angeles City getting a 1 hour regular massage. At the end I wanted to add more services with the same person. They told me that I would have to come back the next day because other customers were waiting. First time I ever heard some shit like that.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1163605]How long was the ST "inhouse" at Nana? I mean the ST hotel is in the premises, so kind of inhouse rooms, so no time wasted in going to and back from an hotel in Sukh.

Should give some time in the room benefit. Or not? Or is it 1 pop whatver it takes.

[/QUOTE]I stayed about 50mins, with maybe 30 mins screwing! So just one pop. Good enough for me;

It's the hotel at the top of the elevator next to angelwitch on the right when you get out. I paid 300, not the 350 I see mentioned here and there. I also paid 300 at the DI Hotel down the road, smaller room but clean also. They said I could stay one hour when I asked but didn't seem too worried about it.

[QUOTE=Crazykf; 1164276]I stayed about 50mins, with maybe 30 mins screwing! So just one pop. Good enough for me;

It's the hotel at the top of the elevator next to angelwitch on the right when you get out. I paid 300, not the 350 I see mentioned here and there. I also paid 300 at the DI Hotel down the road, smaller room but clean also. They said I could stay one hour when I asked but didn't seem too worried about it. [/QUOTE]There is an elevator near Angelwitch?

[quote=poopsicle joe; 1160493]being younger than most of the fossils that inhabit this forum and older than the ones who think ps1 was kickass; here is a review of a bar that is out of the usual norm in nana.

with the seemingly new policy of nana bars allowing smoking, dc-10 wins accolades from a customers perspective.

a) its a pretend airplane (wish it was a real l1011, but thats what fantasy is all about)

b) they don't play canned music.

c) the girls are not pushy.

d) the girls acually dance, not the bangkok-shuffle.

e) expect proper stripper etiquette and pole dancing

f) you can smoke there (!)

g) they seem to have actual ventilation and air conditioning, so smokers don't smoke up the place.

disclaimer: a customer who wishes to be back there, writing this from the comfort of suburbia

disclaimer: a customer[/quote]thought it was a funny and nice place before one of the girls slapped me in my face, wich she thought was fun, i walked away and never returned.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1164327]Thought it was a funny and nice place before one of the girls slapped me in my face, wich she thought was fun, I walked away and never returned.[/QUOTE]There MUST be more to this story. What led up this?

Maybe she just watches too much Thai TV. . .

It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.

PB

[QUOTE=Pita123;1164278]There is an elevator near Angelwitch?[/QUOTE]On the right when you go out of the bar, near the end of the stairs- I think.

Or was it all just a dream and / or a spiked beer lao? .

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan; 1164386]It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.

PB[/QUOTE]I see rude behavior toward unknowing farangs by gogo girls all the time. Things we dismiss as playful are often very rude and insulting when taken in the appropriate cultural context. Go to the Thai gogos on Suthisan and you would never see this kind of display. It shows contempt for the foreigner and shows the class the girl comes from as well.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan; 1164386]It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.

PB[/QUOTE]Primo, you were 100% right to leave!

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1164386]She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face.[/QUOTE]If she would have done this to a Thai guy, he would have kicked the living shit out of her

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan; 1164386]It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.

PB[/QUOTE]Aren't you taking this a little too seriously?

[QUOTE=Crypton;1164494]Aren't you taking this a little too seriously?[/QUOTE]No he's not, this is Thailand and the girl started with the wrong foot for three or four good reasons, it was perfectly appropriate to leave.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1164516]No he's not, this is Thailand and the girl started with the wrong foot for three or four good reasons, it was perfectly appropriate to leave.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree.

Cannot understand why she did this though. Maybe mistaken identity,

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan; 1164386]It was in Feb this year. I walked in and sat down had a beer. There were two gogogirls sitting by the door chatting and giggling with another farang. They invited me somehow and we had a good laugh and everybody seemed to have a good time. Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left. The others had seen what happened but no one said anything. Maybe its a good place but I don't go back when they have girls that treat the costumers with no respect at all. My head is very blessed and holy, especially when I am in Thailand. And it don't like to be slapped by a bargirl.

PB[/QUOTE]Very appropriate to leave. Thai's don't usually act that way. Very Rude. Maybe mistaken identity.

[QUOTE=Monkey1818;1164595]Very appropriate to leave. Thai's don't usually act that way. Very Rude. Maybe mistaken identity.[/QUOTE]It happens all the time that Thai ladies mistake me for someone else. All of us Falangs look the same! And you may be the victim of mistaken identity.

But it can also be that the lady in question was just crazy. Thais will let another Thai person be crazy with a Falang as long as it does not get too violent. Recently I was entertaining a Thai lady in a beer bar when the waitress butted into our conversation and claimed that we were talking about her and saying bad things about her. We never met her before. I am pretty sure the waitress was on something other than a few beers, perhaps yaba which can make them act strangely and paranoid. We left because the waitress was getting crazier and we were getting dirty looks. The rest of the staff looked on and did nothing.

[QUOTE=Crypton;1164494]Aren't you taking this a little too seriously?[/QUOTE]You think so? Let a girl do this to a Thai guy and then watch how seriously the Thai guy will respond

I leave for BKK Sunday and after 28 hours in the air and in airports will be there-but at a cost of only $90 on a FF ticket.

1. Is the CITI ATM near Asoke still free of the Farang surcharge? If so, how do you find this machine; I didn't find the information on CITI's website very helpful.

2. Are the FL in Thermae looking more favorably at Farangs since I expect tourism from Japan is down quite a bit with all the problems that country is dealing with.

Thanks. All the rest of my questions were answered from reading the posts here.

I thought I was the only one to get this treatment but apparently not. Last year in Phuket at a run-of-the-mill mp I laid down with a young girl that seemed rather frisky. That's was fine until she gave me a poke in the nutsack, twice, hard! At that I sat up and gave her a double poke in each nipple and asked her how she liked that. Her whole expression changed to that of a thief caught in the act. When I told her to get the mamasan she freaked out and begged me to let her finish out the massage. No way she was going to touch me again. So I got dressed and went to the front desk and told mms that I would not get the massage after all but I would leave a tip. I left her a 10 baht coin and the other girls sitting around laughed their ass off and started chattering away.

When there is a good alternative 5 doors away I see no need to put up with whatever this crap is. Mistaken identity, pent up frustration, racial issues, etc. I don't care since I have never treated these girls badly there is no way I will put up with it. I do have to point out that it was the only instance in the 3 times I have vacationed there. Takes all kinds I guess. LDP

- from the past couple of days.

[QUOTE=Blago;1164705]1. Is the CITI ATM near Asoke still free of the Farang surcharge? If so, how do you find this machine; I didn't find the information on CITI's website very helpful.[/QUOTE]If you have a CITIBANK account in the states or your home country, you should not be charged fees. I used this ATM a few times and was not charged a fee for cash withdrawals. There is a well staffed CITIBANK branch located directly above the ATMs and the receptionist is very friendly / helpful (spoke perfect english also). She will confirm for you.

Once you exit the Asoke station and are at steet level. You will see the massive CITI signs on the building acrooss the intersection. The ATMs are located in the building lobby entrance directly across the street at the intersection. Their ATMS are safe / secure and fast also.

Has anyone flown with Kingfisher BKK-MUM-LON? I usually take Jet Airlines who are excellent, but I see Kingfisher now fly the route a little cheaper, is the service and baggage allowance as good (I think Jet allow 30kg baggage allowance)

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1164893]Has anyone flown with Kingfisher BKK-MUM-LON? I usually take Jet Airlines who are excellent, but I see Kingfisher now fly the route a little cheaper, is the service and baggage allowance as good (I think Jet allow 30kg baggage allowance)[/QUOTE]Personally I think Kingfisher are marginally better than Jet. Haven't done that particular route all the way, but LON-MUM very good. Can't comment on the baggage allowance as I travel light. You planning on bringing the kitchen sink?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1164493]If she would have done this to a Thai guy, he would have kicked the living shit out of her[/QUOTE]I think you exaggerate greatly. Its usually only husbands or boyfriends that beat up Thai girls, as they seem to think they own the girls.

In any case, if you are Farang and are not looking for serious trouble, you don't don't go too physically at Thai girls in a situation like this. I have witnessed Farangs who wanted to respond physically to a stupid Thai girl, get very seriously beaten up.

[QUOTE=Siam Dreamer;1164831]If you have a CITIBANK account in the states or your home country, you should not be charged fees. snip . . . .[/QUOTE]As of a month ago (not in BKK now) my NON citibank atm was not charged fees. I read somewhere that this has changed or will change. Anyone else know the status of this?

C4T

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1163814]and asked her after some rounds if she was willing to play with me in the backside what in essence means we only play together

In my room we had a pleasurable time and after the cuddling part on the couch for around 45 minutes we headed to the shower and during the cleaning part I found that her anus was not blocked. [/QUOTE]LOL Play with me in the backside! Bet that wasn't the 1st time she's heard that. Hilarious! Good report!

[QUOTE=Crypton;1164494]Aren't you taking this a little too seriously?[/QUOTE]He's definitely took it on the serious side rather than lightheartedly. As I have my moods it's impossible to say how I would have reacted, but probably not so impulsively to a constantly smiling chick in a gogo. When I go out in public I prefer to be in party rather than sour mode. Otherwise it's best just to stay in, listen to music, watch comedies and wank off alone.

Even if Thais consider the head sacred or holy, I am a farang & I don't. My joystick is just as important, but I wouldn't have had a problem with such a lady grabbing it or even slapping it around a little. Painlessly, of course. Been there, done that.

Even as early as grade 3 a girl I had never talked to suddenly pinched my bum as we were standing in a school lineup. It hurt a bit, but I didn't go crying to the teacher or my mommy. In fact I was happy she did it, taking it as a sign she liked me.

Personally I might have taken advantage of the situation of the TG making physical contact with me, reciprocated, planted a wet one on her mouth, with tongue deeply inserted down her throat. Might as well grab her ass and tits while your at it, as she was evidently offering him the opportunity for a freebie.

I recall the time in the NPL a P4PTG suddenly kissed me on the mouth, several times. She knew of me, but I didn't know her and had never spoken to her before. While her actions surprised me, I wasn't offended. She is now one of my best regulars.

To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists.

Re what Thai guys would do to her if she did the same to them, it is not relevant to the situation at hand {no pun intended}, though I'd suggest not all of them are as abusive as someone may think. Maybe that idea comes from listening to the propaganda of TG "stories" for too long and actually believing it. And the type of TGs who seek out farang on websites & in P4P. I also expect the TG in question would be aware of Thai customs & the possible repercussions from Thai men should she violate them. But, again, in this case she didn't interact with a Thai man, but a farang. One who, for some reason, considers his head "very blessed and holy, especially when in Thailand", yet visits dens of iniquity there, places that are well known for TGs & LBs handling customers various body parts, suddenly and without permission.

As to the girl, she could have been on ice, yabba, other illicit drugs, or overly intoxicated. It could also have been a case of mistaken identity, spontaneous over enthusiasm, watching too much Thai TV or LBs around go gos, etc, or a mixed cocktail of items.

I arrived here in Bangkok for the forst time in a long time. I went looking for Club Eden but they were closed. Decided to irder in and looked thru the yellow pages and called 08-4918-29914 or 08-1617-2639. I asked for yioung but she was obviously mid 30s. I paid for 3 hours and she was gone after less than one! I called the company to complain but they did nothing. I recomend if you order in, pay half or less than that until your agreed upon requirement is met. Ag=fter several calls abck and forth with the company, I got no resolution. A TOTAL ripp off! Stay away from them as they will not provide service as advertised. They are listed under massage: International Model's Massage! Horrible service!

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1164914]As of a month ago (not in BKK now) my NON citibank atm was not charged fees. I read somewhere that this has changed or will change. Anyone else know the status of this?

C4T[/QUOTE]Only Thai banks were charging this fee. Citibank and HSBC which are not headquartered in Thailand were not charging this fee.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1165163]Only Thai banks were charging this fee. Citibank and HSBC which are not headquartered in Thailand were not charging this fee. SunLover[/QUOTE]Yes, but if you check the amount drawn from your account, it turns out that Citibank, at least, charges about the same as a Thai bank for the total withdrawal. I have compared this several times now. There does not appear to be any savings in using the Citibank ATMs over the Thai ones. I don't know about HCBC but I will check.

[QUOTE=Marlo;1165135]I arrived here in Bangkok for the forst time in a long time. I went looking for Club Eden but they were closed. Decided to irder in and looked thru the yellow pages and called 08-4918-29914 or 08-1617-2639. I asked for yioung but she was obviously mid 30s. I paid for 3 hours and she was gone after less than one! I called the company to complain but they did nothing. I recomend if you order in, pay half or less than that until your agreed upon requirement is met. Ag=fter several calls abck and forth with the company, I got no resolution. A TOTAL ripp off! Stay away from them as they will not provide service as advertised. They are listed under massage: International Model's Massage! Horrible service![/QUOTE]With all of the information on this Forum you use the yellow pages? Som nom na. (Thai for "serves you right").

[QUOTE=Marlo;1165135]Decided to irder in and looked thru the yellow pages and called 08-4918-29914 or 08-1617-2639. Horrible service![/QUOTE]Thanks but I think nobody will efver use Yellow Pages in BKK.

The town is over full of places where you can get everything you like, when you like and where you like (take away)

If Eden was closed, (early morning? Over midnight?) there should still full of opportunities, including a free lancer.

Get on the road, mate!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1165079]-

To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists. [/QUOTE]YOu made a very good point.

Sometime when I resume what I talk about with thai girls, ok most of them Bar girls, etc, I find out it is all jokes, couble sense, silly talks.

Their english language is not alwyas at the best.

But even whe it is, they do like to chat in a light and jokenly way = non sense talks!

On the other hand nobody wants to change the fate of the world when mongering!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1165189]With all of the information on this Forum you use the yellow pages? Som nom na. (Thai for "serves you right").[/QUOTE]Agreed, you got what you deserved. There are so many places (even around EDEN). Shit, I couldn't even find the yellow pages even if I wanted to. Do they still make these books? I thought they died a long with my Grandpa.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1165079]He's definitely took it on the serious side rather than lightheartedly. As I have my moods it's impossible to say how I would have reacted, but probably not so impulsively to a constantly smiling chick in a gogo. When I go out in public I prefer to be in party rather than sour mode. Otherwise it's best just to stay in, listen to music, watch comedies and wank off alone.

Even if Thais consider the head sacred or holy, I am a farang & I don't. My joystick is just as important, but I wouldn't have had a problem with such a lady grabbing it or even slapping it around a little. Painlessly, of course. Been there, done that.

Even as early as grade 3 a girl I had never talked to suddenly pinched my bum as we were standing in a school lineup. It hurt a bit, but I didn't go crying to the teacher or my mommy. In fact I was happy she did it, taking it as a sign she liked me.

Personally I might have taken advantage of the situation of the TG making physical contact with me, reciprocated, planted a wet one on her mouth, with tongue deeply inserted down her throat. Might as well grab her ass and tits while your at it, as she was evidently offering him the opportunity for a freebie.

I recall the time in the NPL a P4PTG suddenly kissed me on the mouth, several times. She knew of me, but I didn't know her and had never spoken to her before. While her actions surprised me, I wasn't offended. She is now one of my best regulars.

To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists.

Re what Thai guys would do to her if she did the same to them, it is not relevant to the situation at hand {no pun intended}, though I'd suggest not all of them are as abusive as someone may think. Maybe that idea comes from listening to the propaganda of TG "stories" for too long and actually believing it. And the type of TGs who seek out farang on websites & in P4P. I also expect the TG in question would be aware of Thai customs & the possible repercussions from Thai men should she violate them. But, again, in this case she didn't interact with a Thai man, but a farang. One who, for some reason, considers his head "very blessed and holy, especially when in Thailand", yet visits dens of iniquity there, places that are well known for TGs & LBs handling customers various body parts, suddenly and without permission.

As to the girl, she could have been on ice, yabba, other illicit drugs, or overly intoxicated. It could also have been a case of mistaken identity, spontaneous over enthusiasm, watching too much Thai TV or LBs around go gos, etc, or a mixed cocktail of items. [/QUOTE]With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you. It is the ultimate [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] take. You not being offended is the point."Look at the stupid farang! I am treating him like a dog and he is laughing," that is the point. No wonder so many Thai / Farang relationships fail. There are just certain aspects of the West that you cannot bring over here.

Once you have established a relationship with a girl what you do in private is one thing, but the public "face" should always be of concern to both of you. If she or you in any way lessens that public "face" it is a pretty grave issue.

That being said, we do love living here because Thais are very childlike in many ways. The playfulness is great, but respect still needs to be kept in mind. You would probably never grab your Thai gal's ass in public like you would in the US, same holds true for her respecting you.

Again, as has been said many time here, this is not the West. When in Rome!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1165189]With all of the information on this Forum you use the yellow pages? Som nom na. (Thai for "serves you right").[/QUOTE]Som Numb Nar (just to show pronunciation English style)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1165204]Agreed, you got what you deserved. There are so many places (even around EDEN). Shit, I couldn't even find the yellow pages even if I wanted to. Do they still make these books? I thought they died a long with my Grandpa.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I found Soapy Chaopraya II using the yellow pages, I believe, which was difficult to use for Farangs. The taxi insisted on taking me Chaopraya I (J-One) for the kick back but I quickly left and went to the other one. However my very first Soapy was I believe the Golden Gate in some low Soi of Sukhumwit, possibly Soi 2, but it doesn't exist any more. The girl was out of this world (to a newbie) but couldn't speak English. The massage was highly skilled Thai massage.

I don't believe Nana Plaza existed at that time, but could be wrong. Maybe it was too tame to be worth going to in those days. Like 25 years ago.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1165204]Agreed, you got what you deserved. There are so many places (even around EDEN). Shit, I couldn't even find the yellow pages even if I wanted to. Do they still make these books? I thought they died a long with my Grandpa.[/QUOTE]Wait, I'll check my hotel room for one. This could be fun. New game if checking random YP services until we find good service.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1165210]With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you. It is the ultimate [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] take. You not being offended is the point."Look at the stupid farang! I am treating him like a dog and he is laughing," that is the point. No wonder so many Thai / Farang relationships fail. There are just certain aspects of the West that you cannot bring over here.[/QUOTE]Dramatic but wrong! Last night investigative news reports on Channel 13 showed that the BG was (Yaba) high, repeat she was high, which explains her actions.

In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:

Here is the best guide available:

[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]

In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.

I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.

I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.

On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.

I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.

I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.

I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees.

I am in BKK for the first time for longer than 2 nights. Look for a nice contact outside the usual places such as Nana etc. Anybody who can propose a nice girl to stay with? Help is very much appreciated. Thanks

[QUOTE=TigerWoods;1165239]I am in BKK for the first time for longer than 2 nights. Look for a nice contact outside the usual places such as Nana etc. Anybody who can propose a nice girl to stay with? Help is very much appreciated. Thanks[/QUOTE]Sushilover posted a few of his girls, with phone numbers and all. You can contact him I guess

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1165079]He's definitely took it on the serious side rather than lightheartedly. As I have my moods it's impossible to say how I would have reacted, but probably not so impulsively to a constantly smiling chick in a gogo. When I go out in public I prefer to be in party rather than sour mode. Otherwise it's best just to stay in, listen to music, watch comedies and wank off alone.

Even if Thais consider the head sacred or holy, I am a farang & I don't. My joystick is just as important, but I wouldn't have had a problem with such a lady grabbing it or even slapping it around a little. Painlessly, of course. Been there, done that.

Even as early as grade 3 a girl I had never talked to suddenly pinched my bum as we were standing in a school lineup. It hurt a bit, but I didn't go crying to the teacher or my mommy. In fact I was happy she did it, taking it as a sign she liked me.

Personally I might have taken advantage of the situation of the TG making physical contact with me, reciprocated, planted a wet one on her mouth, with tongue deeply inserted down her throat. Might as well grab her ass and tits while your at it, as she was evidently offering him the opportunity for a freebie.

I recall the time in the NPL a P4PTG suddenly kissed me on the mouth, several times. She knew of me, but I didn't know her and had never spoken to her before. While her actions surprised me, I wasn't offended. She is now one of my best regulars.

To novices wanting to enjoy the Land Of Smiles, you need to learn how to have fun, cause that's what TGs are all about. Childish joking around is what they are into 36 hours a day, whether they're dreaming, on the throne, or banging farang. And that was the best piece of advice you'll ever recieve on this site. TGs are nothing like, actually the exact opposite of, bitter Western feminists.

Re what Thai guys would do to her if she did the same to them, it is not relevant to the situation at hand {no pun intended}, though I'd suggest not all of them are as abusive as someone may think. Maybe that idea comes from listening to the propaganda of TG "stories" for too long and actually believing it. And the type of TGs who seek out farang on websites & in P4P. I also expect the TG in question would be aware of Thai customs & the possible repercussions from Thai men should she violate them. But, again, in this case she didn't interact with a Thai man, but a farang. One who, for some reason, considers his head "very blessed and holy, especially when in Thailand", yet visits dens of iniquity there, places that are well known for TGs & LBs handling customers various body parts, suddenly and without permission.

As to the girl, she could have been on ice, yabba, other illicit drugs, or overly intoxicated. It could also have been a case of mistaken identity, spontaneous over enthusiasm, watching too much Thai TV or LBs around go gos, etc, or a mixed cocktail of items. [/QUOTE]So you were there? Strange that some guys here can write a long lesson to us others in how things work when they don't even know the details. Hes got the head. I have been to Thailand alot, this situation wasnt fun at all. And one more thing, If you read my report, I was not sour, I had a great time in DC-10 before this happened.

PB

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1164386]Suddenly I saw a girl in a white bikini or some white clothes, from the left comming towards me. She smiled and placed herself right infront of me, took her both hands, boom, on each side of my head and face. Not so hard and afterwards she smiled, but when I said it was not Ok, with a smile, she walked away. I immediately paid my bill and left.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Goatscrot;1165210]With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you.[/QUOTE]I'll agree with Goatscrot and others that this is disrespectful. As others have said, maybe a case of mistaken identity, or a yaba girl. But just as likely a girl showing off, of what she can get away with.

No need to get violent with her (always a big mistake on her turf [or anywhere for that matter]) , but before leaving, I'd have asked to speak to the manager, explaining why you were leaving and wouldn't be coming back. I always feel it's not right to complain about a place without informing management. Not saying he would have done anything, but then again, you'll never know. Sometimes you can be surprised.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1165236]Dramatic but wrong! Last night investigative news reports on Channel 13 showed that the BG was (Yaba) high, repeat she was high, which explains her actions.[/QUOTE]Maybe so, but wouldn't that also explain why she displayed her true contempt for a farang which she might otherwise not have done had she been sober?

Couple nights ago I was at Hollywood with my TG. Another girl comes behind me to dance, I make one or two circumstance moves, then I turn over to indicate that I have company already. Evidently pissed off by that, a moment after she slaps me in back of the head, and then again. At that point I tell her loud and gesture that she cannot "joking" my head and I make sure she get the message, looking at her face she did. Her friend apologizes and bows deeply. However in this case the girl was drunk as a fish.

In another case it was another girl that made an ugly face when I saluted. I did so only because I know she knows my girl. I asked if she had a problem with me and that she must be polite to me for too many reasons. She shut up, gestured Ok and was never seen around anymore.

If you let them get away with disrespect, it will grow in their mind that it's Ok and "we" may even like it. Thing that some troubled guy certainly does.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1165222]Wait, I'll check my hotel room for one. This could be fun. New game if checking random YP services until we find good service.[/QUOTE]ISG should now open a new forum "YP: where are they in hotel rooms?"

[QUOTE=Calbts; 1165237]In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:

Here is the best guide available:

[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]

In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.

I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.

I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.

On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.

I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.

I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.

I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees. [/QUOTE]Good advice man, thanks for that!

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1165302]Maybe so, but wouldn't that also explain why she displayed her true contempt for a farang which she might otherwise not have done had she been sober?[/QUOTE]But how do you know the inebriated one is actually displaying true compempt? In her altered state we will never know. She may have been a former employee of Mistress Midori or Barbar's Club and had flashbacks. There's just too much unknown for anyone here to arrive at a conclusive known based on the little info we have. The OP did handle himself well though, that we know.

Citibank at Asoke DOES NOT charge the 150bt Thai rip off fee. Add US 'State Farm Bank' as another place that will re-imburse ATM fees and has no Visa Add on fee.

[QUOTE=Calbts; 1165237]In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:

Here is the best guide available:

[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]

In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.

I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.

I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.

On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.

I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.

I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.

I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TigerWoods;1165239]I am in BKK for the first time for longer than 2 nights. Look for a nice contact outside the usual places such as Nana etc. Anybody who can propose a nice girl to stay with? Help is very much appreciated. Thanks[/QUOTE]Most of the girls places aren't really nice enough fo us to stay with them. I suggest you get a hotel room.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1165210]With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you. It is the ultimate [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] take. You not being offended is the point."Look at the stupid farang! I am treating him like a dog and he is laughing," that is the point. No wonder so many Thai / Farang relationships fail. There are just certain aspects of the West that you cannot bring over here.[/QUOTE]At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?

One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.

When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1165210]Once you have established a relationship with a girl what you do in private is one thing, but the public "face" should always be of concern to both of you. If she or you in any way lessens that public "face" it is a pretty grave issue.[/QUOTE]One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1165210]That being said, we do love living here because Thais are very childlike in many ways. The playfulness is great, but respect still needs to be kept in mind. You would probably never grab your Thai gal's ass in public like you would in the US, same holds true for her respecting you.[/QUOTE]I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.

"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1165490]At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?

One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.

When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.

One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?

I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.

"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."[/QUOTE]He waied a working girl. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1165617]He waied a working girl. Hehe.[/QUOTE]Seriously? Hahahahaha

After several visits to Thailand, doing the boneheaded newbie of waiing back, I learned 'just don't'. Return a smile. That's appreciated. But waiing? Unless you're someone experienced, like NicFrenchy, who knows the custom and ritual, how high to place the fingertips, [b]WHO[/b] and when, forget it. Return a smile, or a nod of the head in acknowledgement.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;1165675]After several visits to Thailand, doing the boneheaded newbie of waiing back, I learned 'just don't'. Return a smile. That's appreciated. But waiing? Unless you're someone experienced, like NicFrenchy, who knows the custom and ritual, how high to place the fingertips, [b]WHO[/b] and when, forget it. Return a smile, or a nod of the head in acknowledgement.[/QUOTE]Its not bone headed to Wai back, at all. May help to be better accepted in places that don't have many Farangs.

I didn't read the whole thread.

Its better if you do Wai back, or make some attempt or head nod (if your hands are full). Even a one handed Wai if one hand is unavailable. Probably only Royalty and Monks need not Wai back, or newbie Farangs who know no better. The critical thing is to let them Wai first, unless you are visiting someone clearly superior like a monk, when you must Wai first. The higher your fingertips, the higher the level of respect. So fingertips somewhere on the chest to children, and up to your chin or nose for elders and monks. Waiing first to children is silly and indicates you don't understand.

Thias don't want to shake someone's grubby mit, usually. The Wai is a bit like a replacement.

Don't use your feet for anything except standing, walking, football, etc. Thais consider your feet in much worse light than your hands. Don't point at something with your foot. Critical error. A playful kick is probably far too dangerous too.

It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty).

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Correct sir!

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Correct indeed. Hell, I don't even Wai monks, why should I? I am not religious so to me a monk is a somchai in an orange bathrobe.

On a serious note, I do Wai certain people (Older) if it is going to help my business, otherwise, I do not wai.

Thais do not care if Farangs Wai, they know it's not our culture and it is widely accepted for us not to wai anyone.

I laugh when tourists Wai Cashiers, taxi drivers and the likes. But it's not their fault, they don't really know.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1165844]Correct indeed. Hell, I don't even Wai monks, why should I? I am not religious so to me a monk is a somchai in an orange bathrobe.

On a serious note, I do Wai certain people (Older) if it is going to help my business, otherwise, I do not wai.

Thais do not care if Farangs Wai, they know it's not our culture and it is widely accepted for us not to wai anyone.

I laugh when tourists Wai Cashiers, taxi drivers and the likes. But it's not their fault, they don't really know. [/QUOTE]What is a "somchai"? Did you mean "some guy" like a "John Smith"?"Somchai" is a common Thai given name.

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Most people are missing the critical issue with Wais. That is: don't Wai FIRST, unless to a very important person. You can Wai back or give some acknowlegement, just to be polite to them, unless ignoring them.

Its not ridiculous to Wai back to someone of lower status, if she / he waied you first.

Thais of higher status will not Wai you first anyway.

BTW Its okay to compare to cockroaches here, but seriously impolite when talking to Thais, to compare other Thais with low class animals.

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Wrong.

The higher status (or older person) should not WAI FIRST.

The lower status (or younger person) should wai first and then it is at the discretion of the other person to wai back.

It is considered good and decent to return a wai irrespective of the persons class.

Times which you may consider not returning a wai are if you do not know the person (eg a sales assistant or airport staff etc.).

In this example if the customer knows the bar girl, and she wai's to the customer it could be considered ill mannered and ignorant of the person not to return a simple wai.

So you are very wrong on your understanding. And you need to correct your understanding.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1165490]At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?

One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.

When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.

One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?

I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.

"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."[/QUOTE]Its obviuos that he try to gain some respect from the Thais by making out in public and wai to the working girls. He want them to break free, poor guy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1165927]Most people are missing the critical issue with Wais. That is: don't Wai FIRST, unless to a very important person. You can Wai back or give some acknowlegement, just to be polite to them, unless ignoring them.

Its not ridiculous to Wai back to someone of lower status, if she / he waied you first.

Thais of higher status will not Wai you first anyway.

BTW Its okay to compare to cockroaches here, but seriously impolite when talking to Thais, to compare other Thais with low class animals.[/QUOTE]Correct. Finally someone who understands a little about Thai culture. Not many about.

Firstly Thai's have come to accept most farang are ignorant and in their home countries they are obnoxious anti-social animals who will not even say Hello, to their next door neighbour.

In Asia its very different, in India everone wants to shake your hand, in Thailand they wai, in Japan they bow.

Now, if I want to be an ignorant arse then yes, I can go to Japan and I do not have to bow to anyone. Japs will accept it based on me being a foreigner and thats it.

Same goes for Thailand, its accepted as with Japan they view foreigners are not knowing and also uncaring anti-social ignorants.

However THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai.

So while there is no need to wai first for the general farang here in Thailand who is not doing business, it is considered good manners to return a wai if someone gives a wai to you, with exceptions to the likes of stores sales people etc. Where a simple nod of the head and acknowledgement of the wai will suffice.

You do not have to of course, but Thai's will view you as a "jai dee" person if you wai back to someone who has given a wai to you.

It costs nothing, its simple good manners, but of course in this day and age simple good manners is missing from many people.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1165924]What is a "somchai"? Did you mean "some guy" like a "John Smith"?"Somchai" is a common Thai given name.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is what I meant.

I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand. One option is to fly with her from the Phils another for her to fly by herself. She has got a newly minted passport with no previous travel.

My understanding is that as a member of ASEAN she can get a 30 day visa waiver. Under scenairio B where she flies alone my understanding os that she will need:

1 A confirmed RETURN ticket.

2 Confirmed hotel booking or similar proof of accommodation.

3 A letter from me guaranteeing that I will cover her expenses during the trip.

Is this correct? Does the letter 3 need to be authorized in some way if so how?

If we got for option A where I travel with her I presume that 2 and 3 are no longer necessary as I can just waive my credit cars and say I will pay for everything is this right?

Is a RETURN ticket still necessary? Ideally we would like to get 1 way then maybe travel overland to other places.

We are thinking of a 45 day stay. One option is a 30 dayvisa waiver then a visa run to the border getting another 15 days. Another option would be a 60 day visa can on eobtain these on arrival or is itnecessary to buy that in advance?

Any feedback and info appreciated.

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166042]I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand.

[/QUOTE]It doesn't make any formal difference if she travel alone or with you, another foreign. In the (absurd) case immigration have an issue with her, they may refuse you to do anything for her.

To my knowledge, none of 1 to 3 are ever asked at immigration. I never heard of anybody being denied entry on a Visa waiver. You can have the airline insist on 1, however. This is because the airline gets fined when carrying passengers that are sent back (and have to carry them back at their own expenses.

After, going to the border would get her more 30 days, not 15. You can have up to 90 days of visa waiver within a period of 180.

There are no Visa or arrival in Thailand.

I'd recommend she gets a 60 days tourist visa to avoid worries and the border run. It can be extended for 30 more days going to any immigration office with 1, 900 Baht and two pictures.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1166066]It doesn't make any formal difference if she travel alone or with you, another foreign. In the (absurd) case immigration have an issue with her, they may refuse you to do anything for her.

To my knowledge, none of 1 to 3 are ever asked at immigration. I never heard of anybody being denied entry on a Visa waiver. You can have the airline insist on 1, however. This is because the airline gets fined when carrying passengers that are sent back (and have to carry them back at their own expenses.

After, going to the border would get her more 30 days, not 15. You can have up to 90 days of visa waiver within a period of 180.

There are no Visa or arrival in Thailand.

I'd recommend she gets a 60 days tourist visa to avoid worries and the border run. It can be extended for 30 more days going to any immigration office with 1, 900 Baht and two pictures. [/QUOTE]Although I have never taken a Phi girl out of the country, I have heard lots of single girls were not allowed to leave by Phi immigration people. I believe they check the legality of travel whether it is for work or leisure. It seems they ask lots of questions. So the best way is for you to escort her and provide proof of financial and social support.

Sorry this question has been asked to death but I haven't been able to find any recent posts about it.

What is the most reliable (real) and cost effective way to buy Cialis / Apcalis / Some other generic?

Is it still at the pharmacy close to soi 4 and sukhumvit, or via an online pharmacy?

Thanks.

HH

I wai quite a lot. I don't worry about status and the local customs behind it that much. I must even have waied children a bunch of times.

I can't remember a single time when being too nice has caused me trouble. More like the opposite. Imagine if a foreigner entered your business and was more polite than a local would, even to the point of looking a bit silly? Would you be more likely to treat him better, or a little worse? In my experience, all over the world, the tendency is to treat people in that situation better.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.[/QUOTE]What a sick thing to say. Get your head checked.

[QUOTE=Happy Harry;1166132]Is it still at the pharmacy close to soi 4 and sukhumvit, or via an online pharmacy?[/QUOTE]If you find a reliable online seller in Thailand, please post it here. Don't try thai-meds. Com as the (western) guy running it is a clown.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1166108]Although I have never taken a Phi girl out of the country, I have heard lots of single girls were not allowed to leave by Phi immigration people. I believe they check the legality of travel whether it is for work or leisure. It seems they ask lots of questions. So the best way is for you to escort her and provide proof of financial and social support.[/QUOTE]Wow, one thing is not being allowed in, another not being allowed out, with a valid passport."Legality of travel" really seems a communist country concept. What a fukced up country it must be.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1165974]THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai..[/QUOTE]Firstly, you are completely wrong. LEt me give you an example:

You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?

I have NEVER seen a Thai wai baci these people.

What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit. Dammit, where is OTH when you need him LOL.

One should NEVER Wai the Following People:

- Taxi Drivers.

- Cashiers.

- Shop Attendants.

- Cleaning Staff.

- Waitresses.

- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.

A nod and a smile are more than enough.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1166228]You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?[/QUOTE]Obviously you did not read the earlier post 14460 by me which says clearly what you have said.

Try reading the whole thread first before answering to later posts only, you have ignored post 14460 and simply cut a bit of post 14662 and using it out of context.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1166228]Firstly, you are completely wrong. LEt me give you an example:

You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?

I have NEVER seen a Thai wai baci these people.

What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit. Dammit, where is OTH when you need him LOL.

One should NEVER Wai the Following People:

- Taxi Drivers.

- Cashiers.

- Shop Attendants.

- Cleaning Staff.

- Waitresses.

- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.

A nod and a smile are more than enough. [/QUOTE]Nic,

I never got the chance since OTH was kicked out.

Should I Wai, if I think it would get me a better GFE? I have no ego or shame.

LBM

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1166176]I can't remember a single time when being too nice has caused me trouble.[/QUOTE]Good answer.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1166228]Firstly, you are completely wrong.

One should NEVER Wai the Following People:

- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.

A nod and a smile are more than enough. [/QUOTE]Barely enough! If what you claim were true, the "Wai back" would not exist at all in Thailand. So Nic only Wais his superiors/elders and they never Wai back? :confused:
When Thai kids and younger people Wai their elders, do they get a Wai back? Of course they do (usually).

Its vaguely like if a Thai were in a western country, we put out our hand to shake his or her hand, and the Thai refuses to shake hands, thinking that its not necessary (and the hand may well be very dirty).

In general Farangs are in far more danger of being rude or ignorant of Thai customs than of being over polite (as Chill Out points out). I for one, am working on improving my politeness in Thailand, but still have lapses caused by being angry.

Look I partially agree, but the NEVER was too strong. I give a taxi driver, or bar waitress a tip, and get a quick little Wai from them, I probably wouldn't bother to Wai back in this case. Yes just a nod would be O.K. But when two people have some regular or close relationship (not a sexual one) or in formal circumstances, and one Wais the other, then probably should get a Wai back.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1165974]Same goes for Thailand, its accepted as with Japan they view foreigners are not knowing and also uncaring anti-social ignorants.

However THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai.

[/QUOTE]Completely and utterly incorrect. Most Thais do not perceive us as "good farangs" no matter how much we wai or do not wai.

Many just look at us as sex tourists, which is why you almost never see a white skinned Bangkok girl from a proper family and good upbringing with a farang. Don't believe me? Read this: [url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1844.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1166269]I for one, am working on improving my politeness in Thailand, but still have lapses caused by being angry.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should work on the anger before the politeness.

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166042]I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand. One option is to fly with her from the Phils another for her to fly by herself. She has got a newly minted passport with no previous travel.

My understanding is that as a member of ASEAN she can get a 30 day visa waiver. Under scenairio B where she flies alone my understanding os that she will need:

1 A confirmed RETURN ticket.

2 Confirmed hotel booking or similar proof of accommodation.

3 A letter from me guaranteeing that I will cover her expenses during the trip.

Is this correct? Does the letter 3 need to be authorized in some way if so how?

If we got for option A where I travel with her I presume that 2 and 3 are no longer necessary as I can just waive my credit cars and say I will pay for everything is this right?

Is a RETURN ticket still necessary? Ideally we would like to get 1 way then maybe travel overland to other places.

We are thinking of a 45 day stay. One option is a 30 dayvisa waiver then a visa run to the border getting another 15 days. Another option would be a 60 day visa can on eobtain these on arrival or is itnecessary to buy that in advance?

Any feedback and info appreciated. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback to date.

I know it's going to be tough if she is travelling alone. Another Phil ex GF of mine was recently refused passage on her flight to Singapore (where she was due to meet her American BF and then fly on to Bali for what was supposed to be a celebration of their engagement. She was taken away fro a heavy interrogation and they concluded that she didn't have enough money (she had 6000P in cash only) to support herself with no verified letter of support from her BF) She was devastated as had been looking forward to her first ever foreign trip for months and they later split up.

I doubt we have time to get the 60 day visa as she is not in manila and plan to travel ina few days. Someone said she can get an additional 30 days in an overland visa run, have the rules for all foreighn ers changed or is this a ASEAN thing?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1166228]One should NEVER Wai the Following People:

- Taxi Drivers.

- Cashiers.

- Shop Attendants.

- Cleaning Staff.

- Waitresses.

- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.

A nod and a smile are more than enough. [/QUOTE]That's not a bad list; I think mostly I smile and nod at these people, because usually it's just a commercial transaction with them anyway, there is no connection being made. However, if for example I spill something on the floor, I might wai at the cleaning lady who rushes to clean it up. I don't give a fuck if it's considered stupid by traditional thai people who might consider a cleaning lady low-status. I don't.

I wouldn't stone to death an unveiled woman if I were living among the talibans either. There is a line where "do as locals do" must stop. I understand if one has to be guarded in a business context, where face might win or lose a deal and you can't know what kind of prejudices the client has. But in your daily life, I don't believe this is stuff one should worry about. In my experience, truly Hi-so, well-educated folks feel the same way. The ones who worry too much about class usually don't have much of it to begin with.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1166228]What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit...[/QUOTE]I think I agree with everything you said, Nic, but pray tell: what is "a crack of shit"? :)

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166300]I know it's going to be tough if she is travelling alone. Another Phil ex GF of mine was recently refused passage on her flight to Singapore (where she was due to meet her American BF and then fly on to Bali for what was supposed to be a celebration of their engagement. She was taken away fro a heavy interrogation and they concluded that she didn't have enough money (she had 6000P in cash only) to support herself with no verified letter of support from her BF)

I doubt we have time to get the 60 day visa as she is not in manila and plan to travel ina few days. Someone said she can get an additional 30 days in an overland visa run, have the rules for all foreighn ers changed or is this a ASEAN thing?[/QUOTE]Hi Greg, there are many Filipinas who stay in KL. They do visa runs to Thailand all the time. Its quite normal and as long as you get her into BKK you sohuld be able to do a Malaysia visa run. It works equally well in reverse.

A filipina friend of mine is waiting to get her passport (see Manila report from last weekend) and I'm wondering where I will take her first, whether to BKK, Singapore or HK. I've taken many Filipinas, and Indonesians to Singapore in past and never had problem yet, but we all know the rules and how the game is played can change from time to time. Certainly the return ticket is a manadatory one.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1166336]I think I agree with everything you said, Nic, but pray tell: what is "a crack of shit"? :)[/QUOTE]That's when you really have to go to a Thai toilet and there's no butt gun, or paper! Of course, then the bucket of water must do.

Of course, the French language is a little different, so it may have another meaning. ;)

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166300]Thanks for the feedback to date.

I know it's going to be tough if she is travelling alone. Another Phil ex GF of mine was recently refused passage on her flight to Singapore (where she was due to meet her American BF and then fly on to Bali for what was supposed to be a celebration of their engagement. She was taken away fro a heavy interrogation and they concluded that she didn't have enough money (she had 6000P in cash only) to support herself with no verified letter of support from her BF) She was devastated as had been looking forward to her first ever foreign trip for months and they later split up. [/quote]I'm amazed by hearing that because anywhere over the world is the country where you travel to that can impose this kind of restrictions, not the one that you leave. What about the millions of Philippino that leave the country to seek work and do not have a work permit intially. Seriously, I would check the legality of this with a lawyer and possibly have him accompany her to the airport.

[quote]I doubt we have time to get the 60 day visa as she is not in manila and plan to travel ina few days.[/quote]Visa are normally issued the day following the application.

[quote]Someone said she can get an additional 30 days in an overland visa run, have the rules for all foreighn ers changed or is this a ASEAN thing?[/QUOTE]The visa exemption rules are the same for any country the visa exemption applies to. Once out of the country, one can try to re-entry for 30 days more, even if refused can always go the consulate and get the Visa. This if course only practicable when traveling by land.

GL,

Also remember that overstay is fined 500 Baht a day, so in some cases it can be more convenient to just pay up.

From what I've heard, previous overstays do not make a reason for being denied a visa or visa exemption.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1166269]Barely enough! If what you claim were true, the "Wai back" would not exist at all in Thailand. So Nic only Wais his superiors / elders and they never Wai back? :confused:

When Thai kids and younger people Wai their elders, do they get a Wai back? Of course they do (usually).

Its vaguely like if a Thai were in a western country, we put out our hand to shake his or her hand, and the Thai refuses to shake hands, thinking that its not necessary (and the hand may well be very dirty).

In general Farangs are in far more danger of being rude or ignorant of Thai customs than of being over polite (as Chill Out points out). I for one, am working on improving my politeness in Thailand, but still have lapses caused by being angry.

Look I partially agree, but the NEVER was too strong. I give a taxi driver, or bar waitress a tip, and get a quick little Wai from them, I probably wouldn't bother to Wai back in this case. Yes just a nod would be okay But when two people have some regular or close relationship (not a sexual one) or in formal circumstances, and one Wais the other, then probably should get a Wai back.[/QUOTE]Well said!

Some people only know about Thailand what they read from others who do not know, leading to many who do not actually know the ins and outs of it all.

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I'm having no trouble finding freelancers to take 500 baht for ST. Sure they'll quote 1000 or 1500 if I ask, but many are accepting 500.

It's interesting that many of the posts I've seen lately are quoting much higher rates.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1166366]I'm amazed by hearing that because anywhere over the world is the country where you travel to that can impose this kind of restrictions, not the one that you leave. What about the millions of Philippino that leave the country to seek work and do not have a work permit intially. Seriously, I would check the legality of this with a lawyer and possibly have him accompany her to the airport.

Visa are normally issued the day following the application.

The visa exemption rules are the same for any country the visa exemption applies to. Once out of the country, one can try to re-entry for 30 days more, even if refused can always go the consulate and get the Visa. This if course only practicable when traveling by land. [/QUOTE]Yes you would have thought that wouldn't you but I'm afraid having spoken to quite afew people its fairly common for Philippines airlines and immigartion people to cause all sorts of hassles. The issue for them is that given the wage differentials its pretty attractive for penniless phil girls to try to hop on a plane to Singapore or BKK in the hope of earning enough there to pay for their flight. They therefore try to enforce the standard visa regulations to the absolute letter in order to deter as many as possible. This includes insisting on Return tickets, booked accommodation and proof of financial status, things which they just ignore if you area western traveller. If the girl can actually get on the plane she will generaly be OK at Thai Sing immigration, getting on the plane is the hurdle.

If you check with the Thai Embassy on line it states that Filipinos qualify fro a 30 day visa waiver. We tried to book a ticket at aCebu travel agent today and they insisted that they could not sell a ticklte unless you had a 14 day return ticket.

I need to hear from guys who have actually had experience of taking Phil girls into Thailand to find out what the situation in reality is.

GregLondon:

Overland Visas are only 15 days now I believe. Only flying into Thailand gets you 30 days.

[QUOTE=Cwomd; 1166413]GregLondon:

Overland Visas are only 15 days now I believe. Only flying into Thailand gets you 30 days. [/QUOTE]That is right. I stand corrected.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1166186]Wow, one thing is not being allowed in, another not being allowed out, with a valid passport."Legality of travel" really seems a communist country concept. What a fukced up country it must be.[/QUOTE]It is not really a fucked up rules and regulations. According to my friends in Phi who advised me not to take the girls out of the country is few years ago any and all of the Phi people could travel anywhere. It was not the problem of Phi immigration if for whatever reason the specific country did not allow them in. It seems lots of people travelled with fake documents like job offer and financial support documents etc. Even the countries in question allowed them in on those papers.

Next thing is whoever brought them in could not find jobs for them and abandoned them. Only thing these people could do is go to the Phi embassy and ask for help. Phi embassy had to pay for their ticket back home with no hope of ever getting re-imbursed.

After countless cases like this Phi government started checking the papers and the legality at the source. When the immigration stops the people from boarding the persons loose their air-ticket unless they have a refundable fare. Since most of the fares are non.refundable these days there is no way to get the money back not counting how much money the person invested in transportation from home, other logistics etc.

Unfortunately the law is not selective towards tourism travel. All Phi people irrespective are scrutinized.

Befor I wanted to take my GF from Leyte to China but my friends told me it is better to take her local tourism and enjoy. It was a big dissappointment for her.

Even in Hong Kong I have personally seen many single girls escorted by police back on the plant I was travelling obviously were refused entry. The police stayed till the doors were closed.

Irrespective of Visa free rules immigration people can block entry.

If anybody has a thirld world poor country passport, they become targets for questioning and discrimination irrespective of laws.

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166398]Yes you would have thought that wouldn't you but I'm afraid having spoken to quite afew people its fairly common for Philippines airlines and immigartion people to cause all sorts of hassles. . If the girl can actually get on the plane she will generaly be OK at Thai Sing immigration, getting on the plane is the hurdle.

If you check with the Thai Embassy on line it states that Filipinos qualify fro a 30 day visa waiver. We tried to book a ticket at aCebu travel agent today and they insisted that they could not sell a ticklte unless you had a 14 day return ticket.

I need to hear from guys who have actually had experience of taking Phil girls into Thailand to find out what the situation in reality is. [/QUOTE]I really don't understand what you are trying to get from this forum. This is a mongering forum. Yes, there are many travelers here, but every visa case is different. You clearly state the problems you are facing yet you want people to give you suggestions. For what? The visa rules are clear. If you are that enamored with your GF then just buy a return ticket for her. You want her for more than 30 days then you clearly know what the methods are.

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't see the point of this pointless discussions. If you are looking for sympathies, then I feel sorry for you.

Peace and have a great trip.

[QUOTE=Cwomd; 1166393]Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I'm having no trouble finding freelancers to take 500 baht for ST. Sure they'll quote 1000 or 1500 if I ask, but many are accepting 500. [/QUOTE]Please post some pics of these girls if you can. I doubt any off the girls you're getting for 500ST are pretty or they could be ladyboys LOL!

Hi all,

Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.

Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?

Thanks in advance!

K.

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]This is the first lesson for every farang going to LOS. Its harsh but very true. I thought it was clear to many of you on the forum, but after this discussion I understand its not. So you try to get some respect by waing the bargirls? Embarrassing!

[QUOTE=Cwomd; 1166393]Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I'm having no trouble finding freelancers to take 500 baht for ST. Sure they'll quote 1000 or 1500 if I ask, but many are accepting 500.

It's interesting that many of the posts I've seen lately are quoting much higher rates. [/QUOTE]That would not surprise me, as there are some real dogs out there. And the rare stunner. The former would have to pay me 10, 000 or find me extremely drunk. I approached one of the latter the other day and asked how much. She said what will you give me. I replied with the usual rate they ask near NEP of 1000. She immediately agreed. Her service was fabulous and I gave her 2000 per hour because she's worth it, I want her to be calling me every day, to say no to guys offering 1000 or less, and be availabble to me anytime I want her.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1166485]Please post some pics of these girls if you can. I doubt any off the girls you're getting for 500ST are pretty or they could be ladyboys LOL![/QUOTE]Let's just say they are of the kind you find down by the Grace Hotel and inside the BG, not at Thermae or those who have just left NEP. Although if his point is that he's finding better deals or better gals at that price than before, my experiences in the last month or so seem to agree in that girls are more desperate out there now than back in April and May. So now you can get more bang for your baht. Why would that be? Concerns about the effect of upcoming elections, Japanese disasters, rainy & low season, increased police raids of SW FL's?

I tried Eden Club last week. The cost is 3, 900 for two girls. Girls line up, to the left of the wall marker are the ones that do anal, and to the right not.

The lineup was more mature than other options in BK. Unfortunately I can't recall the names of the two I picked but both were petite (probably the only two that were thin). They worked well together performing a BBBJ in unison. A strap-on was being used on one while she gave me a BJ. Quite fun. In another position, I was taking one in the ass doggy style while fingering the other.

I recommend if you don't mind a MILF type of provider.

[QUOTE=Karaoke22; 1166511]Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.

Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?

K. [/QUOTE]There are some guys who sell good quality DVDs on Sukhumvit soi 11, to the right as you exit the soi, just before the stairs up to the BTS. (Go in the direction of Nana.) The quality is good (in my experience) and I think the deal is 100 THB each, or 6 for 500 THB. The guys have good English. Someone will go somewhere to get the titles you select from empty DVD covers, return with everything in less than 5 minutes.

No clue about where to find porn, except that the street vendors also seem to (openly) sell porn DVDs. You could ask the guys who sell you the ordinary DVDs. TTG

[QUOTE=Karaoke22; 1166511]Hi all,

Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.

Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?

Thanks in advance!

K. [/QUOTE]You need to find a vendor who will honestly tell you which ones are "Chat" good standard copies. Because I can speak Thai, they usually will tell me. I buy at Phanthip Plaza or Mah Boon Khrong (same floor as the mobile phones).

I find that street vendors often don't even know which of their DVDs are good quality as they didn't produce them and just the person doing the selling. If you are going to buy off the street I suggest you take your portable player with you to check the quality, and make sure can play the very end scene of the movie.

I don't agree with TimTimGuy on this one.

Porn is difficult because lots of it will be poor quality. Test it before buying too much.

Not sure why you want Japanese porn, but personally, I don't like it.

Better to get free porn on the internet these days, or in Thailand you make your own real porno scenarios with Thai girls rather than just watch video.

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1166286]Many just look at us as sex tourists, which is why you almost never see a white skinned Bangkok girl from a proper family and good upbringing with a farang. Don't believe me? Read this:

[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1844.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Mango Fan,

Don't believe everything you read by some "expert" is true ALL of the time. Turns out the writer was a Thai man, so automatically biased.
There are always exceptions to break the rule. The world is not all "same same".
You can certainly say "Rarely" but never say "Never".

Some Thai girls like some Farangs better than Thai men, regardless of which class the girl comes from.

Not sure why you had to say "white skinned".

[QUOTE=Karaoke22; 1166511]Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.

Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK? [/QUOTE]All that stuff will be in Pantip Plaza on Petchaburi Road. It's a multi-story plaza with many stores that sell electronics H / W, S / W etc.

At those prices you mentioned, it has to be pirated. In Pantip, many stores offer pirated DVD, including porn. It won't be as open as it was before, but it should be easy to find what you want.

Note: It will be cheaper if you get the DVDs in Phnom Penh. It will cost either $1.30 or $1.50 for each DVD.

[QUOTE=Karaoke22; 1166511]Hi all,

Could anybody advice on a good dvd shop in BKK? I mean a shop which would have most of the titles you could think of but would sell it at 100 bath or less a piece.

Same question for porn, is there a shop with a lot of choice of japanese porn in BKK?

Thanks in advance!

K. [/QUOTE]My experience has been that I can buy at Panthip on the 2nd floor for 80 bt if I haggle. Regular movies. I don't know about porn. Quality is still hit or miss no matter what they tell you. You can preview non-porn right there in the shop before you buy. In Panthip the porn touts hang out by the escalators on the 2nd level. I've had very bad luck with quality on the ground [email]floor@100[/email] Bt per disc, no haggling allowed. I bought some good quality porn on Suk and soi 7/1 from the street vendor for 100 bt each. No quality issues. Stickman wrote about massive amounts of porn in Chinatown for what? 60 baht I think. Maybe one of the more seasoned expats could chime in on details about that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1166715]Some Thai girls like some Farangs better than Thai men, regardless of which class the girl comes from.[/QUOTE]Same as I'm an American guy and I like Latina and Asian women better than I like American women. Many times it's just personal preference and has nothing to do with money or opportunity.

Not sure where you went on the ground floor but the shop I go to (same one for a number of years) is 70bt each. Only once did I get a disc that would not work and that is out of many I have bought there over the years. If you walk in the door and sort of follow A&W fast food place which is on the left down that aisle. It is the first small aisle to the left and first stall on the right (maybe only stall on that small Aisle. Was last there 3 weeks ago. For whatever it is worth.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1166766]My experience has been that I can buy at Panthip on the 2nd floor for 80 bt if I haggle. Regular movies. I don't know about porn. Quality is still hit or miss no matter what they tell you. You can preview non-porn right there in the shop before you buy. In Panthip the porn touts hang out by the escalators on the 2nd level. I've had very bad luck with quality on the ground [email]floor@100[/email] Bt per disc, no haggling allowed. I bought some good quality porn on Suk and soi 7/1 from the street vendor for 100 bt each. No quality issues. Stickman wrote about massive amounts of porn in Chinatown for what? 60 baht I think. Maybe one of the more seasoned expats could chime in on details about that.[/QUOTE]

Thanks all for the info!

Is Pantip better than MBK? MBK is more that ok but there is some shops in other south-east asian cities where the owner has almost anything you could think of (including older movies) and would be able to order the titles which are not in store (we're still talking about pirated, cheap but good quality dvds). Is it lile that in Pantip?

[QUOTE=Tricycle;1166600]I was taking one in the ass doggy style while fingering the other.[/QUOTE]Maybe poor word choice but if not hey. We won't judge you.

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166398]Yes you would have thought that wouldn't you but I'm afraid having spoken to quite afew people its fairly common for Philippines airlines and immigartion people to cause all sorts of hassles. The issue for them is that given the wage differentials its pretty attractive for penniless phil girls to try to hop on a plane to Singapore or BKK in the hope of earning enough there to pay for their flight. They therefore try to enforce the standard visa regulations to the absolute letter in order to deter as many as possible. This includes insisting on Return tickets, booked accommodation and proof of financial status, things which they just ignore if you area western traveller. If the girl can actually get on the plane she will generaly be OK at Thai Sing immigration, getting on the plane is the hurdle.

If you check with the Thai Embassy on line it states that Filipinos qualify fro a 30 day visa waiver. We tried to book a ticket at aCebu travel agent today and they insisted that they could not sell a ticklte unless you had a 14 day return ticket.

I need to hear from guys who have actually had experience of taking Phil girls into Thailand to find out what the situation in reality is. [/QUOTE]Filis qualify for a tourist visa if they have a return ticket, that is the definition of a tourist, you are going there to look at the sights and then going back home. It is not some dastardly plot by the airline to keep girls in the country, the airline cops a fine from the receiving country if it carries people who do not meet the visa regs and they get caught. Ok, so you need to buy her a rerturn ticket, and when you think about it, that's the safest for the girl, at least she can get home if you dump her.

This is awesome

Rather than talking about banging chix, we're talking about buying porno at phantip, importing flips to Thailand and whether to wai go go touts or not.

How sad is that?

Well I just finished up my first 3 days in Bangkok and am now heading to Pattaya. I figured I give a quick report on my findings in BKK. After RTFF I thought I had a pretty good idea of what to expect as far as prices were going to go. All the bars and go gos I'm talking about were in the Nana area. I was able to get girls from bars for 1500-2000 baht with little trouble. I also found that no matter how good or bad my haggling skills were the girls at the go gos were always more expensive. Many would set such a high LT price that it seemed like they were trying to force you into ST. That being said I never took a girl out of a go go, but I did enjoy having a drink or two at a few go gos, Billboard was by far my personal favorite. I should also note that there seemed to be a higher concentration of younger girls in the go gos vs the bars. I preferred the bars, but thats just me, to each there own.

The first night I went to a good many bars and go gos, but ended up spending the most time at Hillary bar a little ways past NEP. I had a few drinks with Mi and decided that it was about time to head back to the room, because I was getting pretty drunk at this point. We agreed on 1500 baht LT and headed back to the room. Gave a great BBJ with CIM. All in all not the best, but for 1500 baht well worth a repeat and I did on my last night.

On my second night I decided to hold out a little later and ended up having a drink in probably about 10 go gos and 5 or so bars. Every once in awhile a girl would catch my eye and I'the inquire on a LT price, but as stated early I found almost all the go go girls wanting way to much imo. I ended up waiting for NEP to start closing down (around 0230 on a wed night) that is when Taa caught my eye. She was with 2 friends and they we're all heading to a disco to drink and Dance. Much to my surprise not only was the disco still open when we got the around 0300, but the were also still serving and hand live music. Drank and danced (or tried to dance I should say) for about an hour, then headed back to my room. Great BBJ, but she was a little reserved about giving one at first. She also had some great tits for a Thai girl, at least a large C cup. In the best she was very good and full of energy. We also had a repeat in the morning before she left. We never really talked price before going back to my room and when I asked her how much she wanted she told my 3000. I told her because we never spoke about a price I'the give her 2000 plus a 500 tip. She seemed okay with that and left. I don't know where you can find her. Never asked were she work and I found here walking out of NEP.

Also I noticed the were some Russian girls working (most ugly) in the Soi 3 area with all the Arab restaurants.

Anyway headed to Pattaya now to see what it has to offer. Hoping to find some girls that are a little more camera friendly.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1167125]----- It is not some dastardly plot by the airline to keep girls in the country, the airline cops a fine from the receiving country if it carries people who do not meet the visa regs and they get caught. -----.[/QUOTE]Correct airlines will have to pay 5000US$ fine and have to bring the passenger back on their own expenses (then if they get it back from the passenger is another story)

Happens everywhere in the world.

I personally had a problem in Bolivia (after a 3hrs airport transit coming from Colombia, where I stayed 12hrs) heading to Brazil. I did not have the yellow fever vaccination done (required in Brazil for people coming from either Colombia and Bolivia). I was denied check in and boarding. After mails exchange with ariline office at finalk destination I was allowed on the plane. When I arrived I was escorted to the Airport Health for vaccination. Then they let me in the country.

It is then I learnt from the airline about the fine for allowing people on board and not legally entitled to enter a country.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1166538]This is the first lesson for every farang going to LOS. Its harsh but very true. I thought it was clear to many of you on the forum, but after this discussion I understand its not. So you try to get some respect by waing the bargirls? Embarrassing![/QUOTE]I've been told that if you're wai is not brought high when waing a youngster or a 'lesser' it is appropriate. The higher you bring your wai, the more reverence and respect you show. Bowing lower is also thrown in for people you respect, so maybe a chest high wai and little to no bow would be a reasonable way to give a polite Hello, to a sex worker?

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1167232]maybe a chest high wai and little to no bow would be a reasonable way to give a polite Hello, to a sex worker?[/QUOTE]You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid) -- it's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.

The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. for instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).

Note that this applies to [b]greeting[/b], but it's appropriate to use a wai as a [b]thank you[/b] with anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials), it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly).

I usually don't go for the small petite thai gogo girl. I prefer seeking out tall girls with big booties, but this girl was the most seductive and slutty pole dancer I've ever seen in a thai gogo. I barfined her and took her straight back to my room. Just as I suspected she was an animal! Glorious BBBJ, DATY, DFK and a great attitude. She definitely brought her pole dancing energy back to the sack! Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana and explained to the Mamasan (who drug me in there and insisted it didn't matter and I could pay the girl of my choice 1000 for an hour) Wasn't going to argue with that, but apparently she didn't communicate this to my pole dancer. So our session is coming to an end I decide to finish with a BBBJCIM which takes for ever, at the end I'm on my knees on the bed and she's on her knees going to town. For some reason when I tell her I'm coming she didn't want me to explode in her mouth so she lifts her head up a bit and opens her mouth like waiting for me to shoot up in her mouth. Right as I explode she moves her head slightly and the first huge stream blasts straight up her left nostril! So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face. At this point she turns her head and amidst loud gags makes a comical hunched over, break for the bathroom. So I'm sitting there, still shuddering from an amazing orgasm with mingled feelings of guilt and amusement over whats taking place. Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking. I gave her her space. Eventually she comes back smiling shyly. I apologize and we laugh it off. Whew! Things didn't stay comfortable for long however. I hand her two pathetic 500 baht notes for an amazing performance and taking a load up her nose. She is pissed! I try to explain but she won't even look at me, won't leave and now she's got tears running down her face, it was terrible, I felt like such an asshole, but had no way to make it up to her. She didn't believe me about my ATM so I told her to call her Mamasan. She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door. After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and explode into laughter. There was slightly digested rice all over in the sink. She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Terrible I know, but you have to see the humor in it. I swore to find her again in her gogo and just hand her 2000 baht. I felt I owed it to her. It must have been an embarrassing slap in the face of an evening. I stopped in on two different nights but couldn't find her.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1167237]You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid). It's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.

The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. For instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).

Note that this applies to [b]greeting[/b], but it's appropriate to use a wai as a [b]thank you[/b] With anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials) , it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly). [/QUOTE]Good to know. Thanks Croco!

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1167255]Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana[/QUOTE]So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1167237]You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid). It's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.

The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. For instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).

Note that this applies to [b]greeting[/b], but it's appropriate to use a wai as a [b]thank you[/b] With anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials) , it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly). [/QUOTE]Generally speaking if you don't know the wai protocol well (heck that's just about almost all of us farang) as in trying to figure out the appropriate height of your wai or whether you should wai at all, you're far better off not wai'ing at all than screwing it up. This is an aspect the Thai grow up knowing from early childhood on, how they figure out the appropriate wai'ing posture is something they know by instinct borne from many years of doing it and from knowing their place in the pecking order. Two week millionaires will never come close to this level of familiarity with the gesture.

You can nod your head once briefly to acknowledge the wai. You may even throw in a smile with the head nod if the mood calls for it, but that's it. They know you're a foreigner, you're not going to be expected to know everything about local customs.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1167311]So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?[/QUOTE]I also never bring much cash with me to Thailand. Just whatever baht I have left over from my previous trip. Of course, my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.

I see no reason to bring USD to Thailand.

And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.

This I am afraid happens all the time, whether by accident or planning and its why many complain about high prices, paying up front, poor service etc. Because the girls get screwed like this over and over and over until they are the ones who start to screw customers.

If you do not have enough money to pay for the goods do not take the girl.

HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.

You have 1500 baht.

You entered a bar, you managed to pay a bar fine and also have a drink for under 500 baht? When bar fine is 600 baht. As you claim later to have still 1000 baht over?

And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.

So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? .

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1167255]I usually don't go for the small petite thai gogo girl. I prefer seeking out tall girls with big booties, but this girl was the most seductive and slutty pole dancer I've ever seen in a thai gogo. I barfined her and took her straight back to my room. Just as I suspected she was an animal! Glorious BBBJ, DATY, DFK and a great attitude. She definitely brought her pole dancing energy back to the sack! Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana and explained to the Mamasan (who drug me in there and insisted it didn't matter and I could pay the girl of my choice 1000 for an hour) Wasn't going to argue with that, but apparently she didn't communicate this to my pole dancer. So our session is coming to an end I decide to finish with a BBBJCIM which takes for ever, at the end I'm on my knees on the bed and she's on her knees going to town. For some reason when I tell her I'm coming she didn't want me to explode in her mouth so she lifts her head up a bit and opens her mouth like waiting for me to shoot up in her mouth. Right as I explode she moves her head slightly and the first huge stream blasts straight up her left nostril! So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face. At this point she turns her head and amidst loud gags makes a comical hunched over, break for the bathroom. So I'm sitting there, still shuddering from an amazing orgasm with mingled feelings of guilt and amusement over whats taking place. Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking. I gave her her space. Eventually she comes back smiling shyly. I apologize and we laugh it off. Whew! Things didn't stay comfortable for long however. I hand her two pathetic 500 baht notes for an amazing performance and taking a load up her nose. She is pissed! I try to explain but she won't even look at me, won't leave and now she's got tears running down her face, it was terrible, I felt like such an asshole, but had no way to make it up to her. She didn't believe me about my ATM so I told her to call her Mamasan. She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door. After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and explode into laughter. There was slightly digested rice all over in the sink. She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Terrible I know, but you have to see the humor in it. I swore to find her again in her gogo and just hand her 2000 baht. I felt I owed it to her. It must have been an embarrassing slap in the face of an evening. I stopped in on two different nights but couldn't find her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1167311]So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?[/QUOTE]On principle $300 a day should be ok to survive lodging, food and mongeting as I assume such a kind would not call at JWMarriott or alike.

I also agree one should always have back up cash, especially in the first part of the stay.

Anyhow I am not surprised of anything when I read so often about ATM fees etc, just as anything should be free. I don't want to digress further.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1167354]And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.

HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.

So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? . [/QUOTE]I usually do not share your opinions on pricing, but this is another story.

In this case I fully agree with your concepts. 100%.

I don't think the girl will see a humorous side even if and when she gets the 2000b.

The girl's pride has been touched. She probably felt betrayed.

Let's not forget, with all respect, she is a Thai bar girl, a WG, not a sophisticated and well cultured girl so we have to take into account what and how her head will elaborate.

Relaying on the mama-san to communicate all to the girl can't be taken for granted. All what she cares is take her stake of the deal. She got it! The rest is irrelevant. How many times did we hear or experienced that girl services or performances agreed with mama-san are then not happening? Some mama-san or pimps are just like salesmen of "previously owned cars".

Would not wonder if the girl disappeared for a while after the episode, rethinking in her little head the sense of her job and the earnings out of it. Ultimately it is all related to her daily income. And that doesn't come back. Gone! Unless the next punter is charged double, to recover the missed money.

[QUOTE=Jayleesf; 1167341]I also never bring much cash with me to Thailand. Just whatever baht I have left over from my previous trip. Of course, my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.

I see no reason to bring USD to Thailand. [/QUOTE]This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.

As most frequent travelers know criminals are not breaking into hotel rooms robing unsuspecting guests. Just not happening, so if that's your concern get over it. Again, as most frequent travelers know it is not difficult for hotel staff to gain access to the inside of your in-room safe - (bar garls CAN NOT and won't try) but again, not only not common, ALMOST non-existent in Bangkok.

There is no reason NOT to bring money to Thailand.

Conversely........

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1167354]And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.

This I am afraid happens all the time, whether by accident or planning and its why many complain about high prices, paying up front, poor service etc. Because the girls get screwed like this over and over and over until they are the ones who start to screw customers.

If you do not have enough money to pay for the goods do not take the girl.

HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.

You have 1500 baht.

You entered a bar, you managed to pay a bar fine and also have a drink for under 500 baht? When bar fine is 600 baht. As you claim later to have still 1000 baht over?

And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.

So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? . [/QUOTE].

...........and this is one of the smartest things I have read in a while. Well said!

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1167354]And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.

This I am afraid happens all the time, whether by accident or planning and its why many complain about high prices, paying up front, poor service etc. Because the girls get screwed like this over and over and over until they are the ones who start to screw customers.

If you do not have enough money to pay for the goods do not take the girl.

HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.

You have 1500 baht.

You entered a bar, you managed to pay a bar fine and also have a drink for under 500 baht? When bar fine is 600 baht. As you claim later to have still 1000 baht over?

And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.

So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? . [/QUOTE]Thanks for the edit, Pro! Yeah those numbers don't add up at all. Thinking back all I remember clearly, like for sure, is handing her two five hundred baht notes. Forgive the error. In my defence I was trashed almost every day for the 30 days of my vacation and I've been back for about a month now. As for the story it is exactly what I remember happening one fine night in Bangkok. Nana was cursed for me that trip. I'm sure very few gogo girls would accept 1000 for ST, but this one didn't have to. Her mamasan accepted it for her.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1167354]And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.[/QUOTE]I'll have to go with The Pro on this. Accidental or intentional, when a girl gets ripped off, she learns the lesson, and [u]passes it on[/u].

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1167506]I'm sure very few gogo girls would accept 1000 for ST, but this one didn't have to. Her mamasan accepted it for her.[/QUOTE]Really? Sure about that? You and the mamasan might be sure, but the girl, obviously not. No problem if you'd pulled the [u]mamasan[/u], but I always deal directly with the provider.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1167481]This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.

As most frequent travelers know criminals are not breaking into hotel rooms robing unsuspecting guests. Just not happening, so if that's your concern get over it. Again, as most frequent travelers know it is not difficult for hotel staff to gain access to the inside of your in-room safe. (bar garls CAN NOT and won't try) but again, not only not common, ALMOST non-existent in Bangkok.

There is no reason NOT to bring money to Thailand.

Conversely. [/QUOTE]Cash gives you the very best exchange rate and some worry about keeping it safe.

No-fees ATM is a great thing but not easy to obtain.

Both are good things to have, I stand corrected, MONEY in any form or shape is good to have ;-)

[QUOTE=Jayleesf;1167341]my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.[/QUOTE]I must be a complete mug. Whenever I travel overseas I always use my Card to withdraw money and never paid any attention to exchange rates or ATM Fees.

Are these that high hat one needs to be careful?

[QUOTE=The Pro;1167354]And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.[/QUOTE]I've had many who went for 1000ST, so you're wrong. Sorry.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1167544]I must be a complete mug. Whenever I travel overseas I always use my Card to withdraw money and never paid any attention to exchange rates or ATM Fees.

Are these that high hat one needs to be careful? [/QUOTE]One has to travel in style and he feels better.

I agree, I mean, how much money will one spend in ATM fees? 20/30 $, is that a killer in a few weeks?

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1167605]One has to travel in style and he feels better.

I agree, I mean, how much money will one spend in ATM fees? 20/30 $, is that a killer in a few weeks? [/QUOTE]It is not the question of money. In some countries your security maybe compromised or the atm transactions duplicated or triplicated. There is absolutely no recourse generally. It is your word against theirs. They will say you did use your card more times as stated.

Although most transactions nowadays are computerized there are ways some crooks working with the bank can swindle you. Always after a overseas trip, check your credit / debit card statements carefully.

I have had credit card double charged by hotels, restaurents etc. Fortunately I had kept copies of my reciepts.

Long Time ago I reserved a room in Sevilla, Spain. Because of the EXPO taking place there they said the charges have to be fully prepaid in order to hold the reservation. I sent them the full money for 7 nights. Low and behold when I landed there with my GF there was no reservation and no record of payment. Fortunbately they had rooms but they did not honor their quote before. I had to pay extra. But since the pre-payment was dome through american express I contacted American express. It took them 6 months to return my money.

So when you are travelling in some countries better take cash and make use of credit / debit card usage minimal.

Also use ATM from reputed International banks rather than some local banks.

[QUOTE=Satyr23; 1167255]So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face.

Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking.

She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door.

After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and explode into laughter.

She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! . [/QUOTE]You do sound like a really fun guy with a great sense of humor.

And we wonder why the rest of the world calls us "Ugly Americans"

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1167611]It is not the question of money.

Banks. [/QUOTE]I actually never withdraw cash abroad at ATM.

I carry cash and indeed make wide use of visa, aside Thailand as it is not much of a plastic money country. Just use it at LL.

I am extensively traveling since 30 years (some good 150 days / year) and luckily I never had a problem or double charge.

Very true odds like the one you had in Sevilla might happen.

It is also true I call nearly always at same hotels.

I can monitor billings on my card very accurately as I get a txt msg anytime it is billed with an amount over 50€, and that helps, in addition to weekly mails resuming expenditures, both for the 2 company cards and the private one.

Nevertheless precautions are always needed so no unknown girl enters the room with my valuables accessible, for instance. And I am not much into freelancers (although most of them are as safe as your best friend)

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1167611]It is not the question of money. In some countries your security maybe compromised or the atm transactions duplicated or triplicated. There is absolutely no recourse generally. It is your word against theirs. They will say you did use your card more times as stated.

Although most transactions nowadays are computerized there are ways some crooks working with the bank can swindle you. Always after a overseas trip, check your credit / debit card statements carefully.

I have had credit card double charged by hotels, restaurents etc. Fortunately I had kept copies of my reciepts.

Long Time ago I reserved a room in Sevilla, Spain. Because of the EXPO taking place there they said the charges have to be fully prepaid in order to hold the reservation. I sent them the full money for 7 nights. Low and behold when I landed there with my GF there was no reservation and no record of payment. Fortunbately they had rooms but they did not honor their quote before. I had to pay extra. But since the pre-payment was dome through american express I contacted American express. It took them 6 months to return my money.

So when you are travelling in some countries better take cash and make use of credit / debit card usage minimal.

Also use ATM from reputed International banks rather than some local banks. [/QUOTE]The only time I was double billed in my numerous travels was. In the USA. Should I bring cash and pay all my expenses there in cash? No, I guess.

I may also be a mug, but I don't bother, pay by card, wherever I am in the world, and accept the few tens of dollars extra as the price to pay for conveneince.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1167639]I actually never withdraw cash abroad at ATM.

I carry cash and indeed make wide use of visa, aside Thailand as it is not much of a plastic money country. Just use it at LL.

I am extensively traveling since 30 years (some good 150 days / year) and luckily I never had a problem or double charge.

Very true odds like the one you had in Sevilla might happen.

It is also true I call nearly always at same hotels.

I can monitor billings on my card very accurately as I get a txt msg anytime it is billed with an amount over 50€, and that helps, in addition to weekly mails resuming expenditures, both for the 2 company cards and the private one.

Nevertheless precautions are always needed so no unknown girl enters the room with my valuables accessible, for instance. And I am not much into freelancers (although most of them are as safe as your best friend)[/QUOTE]When I go for mongering I use online account, rechargeable card and only a little money,

Z

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1167605]I agree, I mean, how much money will one spend in ATM fees? 20/30 $, is that a killer in a few weeks?[/QUOTE]At $5 / pop it would be more than $20/$30 in a few weeks. Only in a couple of countries (Thailand, Philippines) do I bring cash. The rest of the planet it is ATM city like Nic said because I am going to get a better rate from my bank by using a machine than from a currency exchange place.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1167722]At $5 / pop it would be more than $20/$30 in a few weeks. Only in a couple of countries (Thailand, Philippines) do I bring cash. The rest of the planet it is ATM city like Nic said because I am going to get a better rate from my bank by using a machine than from a currency exchange place.[/QUOTE]Ok, let's count for 50$ in a few weeks (3? 5?)

I still believe that people is moaning about the ATM jsut for the sake of it.

Same as reaching some places far away to get a "better" exchange rate, another 50% in 3-4 weeks?

I feel that if 50$, shared in 3-4 weeks is a killer, one should stay home.

But of course I speak for myself! . [and I do not stay home, I can still afford that]

I just spent a fabulous 5 days in Bangkok. I don't know where to begin, so let's start with the game plan. I do have a good job now, but these days one just can't take anything for granted, so my travel budget is as if I'm about to lose my job. I visited Soi Cowboy, but I didn't quite like the high pressure to keep buying lady drinks. Especially for girls that invited themselves to my seat. I mostly spent my time at the Beer Garden. There are some nice ladies there, but mostly are either ugly or old. The Beer Garden is like a fishing trip for local house wives. If they're lucky then get to bring home some extra green. First of all, we are truly blessed for the Thai society to allow such behavior. This doesn't happen even in Cambodia. Well, not as widespread anyway. This type of house wives only do short time and they leave around 10pm, so it's a different shift / game after 10pm. I was able to meet a few fine ladies this way. Standard price is 1, 000 baht for ST.

For Beer Garden the point of no return is around midnight when the live band call it quit. If you can't find your lady by then, move on, or return to your hotel for a nap and return after 2am for Nana parking lot. One night I overslept and arrived at the parking lot at 3am! The crowd had disappeared but the sidewalk booze bar was still open, so I sat next to a drunk expat. I just ignored him but I felt sorry for his date and the street musician that tried to make a living off this guy. I wasn't planning on sleeping so I kept drinking slowly and eventually my patience paid off. The waitress selected a girl for me and she was okay looking "6". When we walked back to my hotel I found out she's 22. A bit too young for me but I figure it wasn't going to get better. She has a lady tattooed on her back, but after chatting with her, I discovered that she was actually very sweet and innocent-ish. Standard ST pricing more or less.

One night I just about struck out everywhere else and saw this quiet lady in front of the old Starbucks coffee shop. I took her back to my hotel and then I discovered that she had a nice package hidden underneath those clothes! Nice see-cup breasts, brazilian trim pubs, and not a gram of fat. I took her number for a repeat.

Another night at 2am I was walking the beat around Nana parking lot and along the sidewalks between soi 3 & 7. Guys, do not give up. I discovered this young thing at Nana parking lot. I really do not go out looking for young ladies, but some how they just stand out from the rest. Turns out she's 22 and had 1 kid, but much to my surprise the kid was from see-section and she's got the tightest pussy I've ever sampled. I'm sure some asian men from Japan or Korea would pay top dollars for her. Because of her tightness, my 20-minute session stretched out to a full 45-minute mini porn movie. I really wish I had a video camera to capture the expression on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.

I also visited Patpong, but left without trying anything.

Happy mongering,

Spaceman

I got handed the laminated card at Rainbow 1 last night. Probably because the girl I was barfining was new.

It said 600 barfine. 2000 ST. 4000 LT. I countered 1500 ST and they said OK, but wanted me to pay everything upfront. I said no and they said OK.

When we got to the ST hotel room the girl asked for payment before we started. I tried to mime "after" but we didn't understand each other. Took showers and boom boomed.

I paid her before we left and everybody was happy.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1167481]This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.

Conversely. [/QUOTE]No it isn't dumb, and stupid to say so. Its fine for him to not bring cash to Thailand. I don't bother either, I have a Thai bank account. I transfer to there only in large quantities. Its okay for you to use cash if you wish.

I have lost my wallet once in Thailand. Fortunately amount of cash wasn't large. With cash you are always taking some risk when travel from one place to another. If large cash should be lost, there is no way to get it back, its as simple as that.

Hotel safes are not that relevant. I don't care if my room has one or not.

In my experience exchange rates for cash are poor, particularly in my home Country. Travellers cheques get a better deal, but I don't bother with them any more.

Its very convenient to me just to get my cash from Thai AC at ATM. I don't like to carry large amounts of cash.

Its the thing I love about Bangkok.

Thai "good girls". Well, lets just say not so naughty will often use farangs as a kind of emergency piggy bank. They will work quite happily in their job getting 6K to 10K baht a month and never sleep around for money. They have boyfriends and giks but its not for money, only for food and drink and dancing etc.

But when something goes wrong and they need a sudden wedge of money you will find girls like this who venture out for 1 night or a few nights to get the needed money and then return to their normal day job and never do it again. Until next time if needs be.

I had a really lovely little thing out of Thermae last month and she was only there as one of her workmates (office) suggested she try Thermae on a Saturday night to earn some money she needed to pay her rent that month.

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13;1167788]......ssion on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Evianist;1167800]I got handed the laminated card at Rainbow 1 last night.[/QUOTE]OMG!

Will this become the standard for nana now? Anybody else see this card.

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1167788]I discovered this young thing at Nana parking lot. I really do not go out looking for young ladies, but some how they just stand out from the rest. Turns out she's 22 and had 1 kid, but much to my surprise the kid was from see-section and she's got the tightest pussy I've ever sampled. I'm sure some asian men from Japan or Korea would pay top dollars for her. Because of her tightness, my 20-minute session stretched out to a full 45-minute mini porn movie. I really wish I had a video camera to capture the expression on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.

Spaceman[/QUOTE]I think you're lost in space! What you smokin?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1167802]No it isn't dumb, and stupid to say so. Its fine for him to not bring cash to Thailand. I don't bother either, I have a Thai bank account. I transfer to there only in large quantities. Its okay for you to use cash if you wish.

I have lost my wallet once in Thailand. Fortunately amount of cash wasn't large. With cash you are always taking some risk when travel from one place to another. If large cash should be lost, there is no way to get it back, its as simple as that.

Hotel safes are not that relevant. I don't care if my room has one or not.

In my experience exchange rates for cash are poor, particularly in my home Country. Travellers cheques get a better deal, but I don't bother with them any more.

Its very convenient to me just to get my cash from Thai AC at ATM. I don't like to carry large amounts of cash. [/QUOTE]Sorry but I'm missing your point. How is it a "bother"?

OK, so you lost your wallet ONCE. Do you feel that if you did not have the cash you would not have last your wallet? I don't think that's what you are saying, is it?. So isn't that kind of like saying 'I got lost driving in some city once so I'll never drive there again? '

Most people, when they lose their wallet are not concerned with the cash as its only cash but a few hours in a local motor vehicle dept. is a killer. Then the credit cards, phone numbers and all the other shit in there you never really look at but don't want to lose. In fact, why does your wallet ever come out of your briefcase when you travel at all? Stick a hundred or $200 or $500 in the right pocket (or whatever working amount you need for the next few hours or the day) and your good to go. Keep the larger amount in your briefcase (with your wallet) or your left pocket if your concerned about your briefcase also being stolen, and don't pull from the left pocket so no one sees it. What's the issue?

How many times have you been robbed traveling? Or in life in general for that matter? If it an issue with losing things or being forgetful then that a different story then all bets are off. Then yes, measures should be taken to deal with one's absentmindedness.

But people talk about carrying cash like it's a scarlett letter with big a neon 'C' on their chest!

You agree that hotels are rarely an issue so again, what's the problem?

Now, if one is frequenting less reputable establishments/areas (and your living on the edge, god bless you!) then yes I strongly agree that stricter measures must be taken (and call me and I'll join you, more fun more risk!) But if the worst that it gets is Cowboy to beergarder to NaNa to NaNa parking lot, even at 4 in the morning, I think it's a bit of irrational paranoia.

Unless of course, as I strongly suspect from all the 'extreme cheap' talk here, that in fact many of the posters just have no money. Then sure, there's nothing to carry....

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1167788]I just spent a fabulous 5 days in Bangkok. Snip. . . .

Another night at 2am I was walking the beat around Nana parking lot and along the sidewalks between soi 3 & 7. Guys, do not give up. I discovered this young thing at Nana parking lot. I really do not go out looking for young ladies, but some how they just stand out from the rest. Turns out she's 22 and had 1 kid, but much to my surprise the kid was from see-section and she's got the tightest pussy I've ever sampled. I'm sure some asian men from Japan or Korea would pay top dollars for her. Because of her tightness, my 20-minute session stretched out to a full 45-minute mini porn movie. I really wish I had a video camera to capture the expression on her face. I gave her a 1, 000 baht note, plus US$20. We agreed on 1, 400 baht but I ran out of bahts. She told me she works at a convenience store as a cashier and it was her 1st time at Nana! I believe her.

I also visited Patpong, but left without trying anything.

Happy mongering,

Spaceman[/QUOTE]I enjoyed your report and you can log this as Mission Accomplished!

Never mind those who challenge. Sometimes that's all they do is challenge. Not report.

C4T

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1167544]I must be a complete mug. Whenever I travel overseas I always use my Card to withdraw money and never paid any attention to exchange rates or ATM Fees.

Are these that high hat one needs to be careful? [/QUOTE]Not that they are so high, but they do keep going up (especially for US customers, given banks have been recently limited in some cc charge fees by federal regulation, so are looking for other avenues to make up the lost income). You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank, then the local Thai bank throwing in their own charge on top of all these (what is it, 500 baht seems excessive, but rings a bell).

Anyway, if you've got a low limit on your atm card, it can be costly. Better to up the limit while you're traveling, and make the occasional large withdrawal, keeping the money, as Rjsss212 says, in a "safe" wallet, while you have your "limited cash" wallet in your pocket.

I appreciate the atm's convenience, the 'wall that spits money', I just like to keep the overhead charges as low as possible as I think banks are the scum from hell.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1167891]OMG!

Will this become the standard for nana now? Anybody else see this card. [/QUOTE]Yep.

As I mentioned in a report a couple of months ago, waitresses of NEP bars have this card on the back of their "I'd" tag showing BF / ST / LT price list.
Smart to move to make it look like a non negotiable official price list.
Works for the newcomers as they think this is the proper price.
Maybe even better, as they see an official price so they do not feel they are cheated and that it is a legitimate price level.
Only experienced monger will not be ready to pay that, but it is a minority and for the girls worth the effort to try.
The regular customers of a bar or of a BG will as well pay less, but as regular they provide repeated business, more than welcome.
A newcomer who will negotiate and get 100baht discount will feel super happy to have knocked the price down!

Just like a tricked taxi meter. If you do not know the rate from BKK to Sukh and the meter shows 700 you are happy to pay that, feeling to have escaped a scam, LOL

[QUOTE=11Bravo; 1167914]Not that they are so high, but they do keep going up (especially for US customers, given banks have been recently limited in some cc charge fees by federal regulation, so are looking for other avenues to make up the lost income). You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank, then the local Thai bank throwing in their own charge on top of all these (what is it. 500 baht seems excessive, but rings a bell).

Anyway, if you've got a low limit on your atm card, it can be costly. Better to up the limit while you're traveling, and make the occasional large withdrawal, keeping the money, as Rjsss212 says, in a "safe" wallet, while you have your "limited cash" wallet in your pocket.

I appreciate the atm's convenience, the 'wall that spits money', I just like to keep the overhead charges as low as possible as I think banks are the scum from hell.[/QUOTE]Help me understand. Cash exchange places always have unfavorable exchange rates compared to the interbank transfer rates on ATM and credit cards. The ATM fee is less than the exchange rate rip off from the cash exchange places, not to mention the fee from the cash exchange places on top.

I don't get what the debate is. When I do the math, the ATM wins and I walk away from the cash exchange places every time.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;1167914](what is it, 500 baht seems excessive, but rings a bell).[/QUOTE]Nope 150 baht

[QUOTE=Lucky21; 1167985]Help me understand. Cash exchange places always have unfavorable exchange rates compared to the interbank transfer rates on ATM and credit cards. The ATM fee is less than the exchange rate rip off from the cash exchange places, not to mention the fee from the cash exchange places on top.

I don't get what the debate is. When I do the math, the ATM wins and I walk away from the cash exchange places every time. [/QUOTE]As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."

For example, [url]http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB[/url] Shows US$1=30.57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30.55 THB.

If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.

If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30.55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1.50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107.19

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1168165]As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."

For example,

[url]http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB[/url]

Shows US$1=30. 57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30. 55 THB.

If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.

If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30. 55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1. 50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107. 19[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. It would seem that the enterprising brother could start a forex cash op and make a killing, especially on Sukhumvit in the lower Soi. I'll use cash next time through.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1167897]Sorry but I'm missing your point. How is it a "bother"?[/QUOTE]Did not say anything was "a bother".

"Don't bother" simply means don't make the effort to do something (more than one meaning). I often stay in Hotel room that has a safe but I don't usually use it. I don't feel stuff in my Hotel is particularly unsafe. I don't take risky girls to my room and leave them unsupervised. My most imporntant / valuable luggage is my passport, and notebook and phone comes 2nd and 3rd. Have no interest in very expensive paraphernalia.

[QUOTE]OK, so you lost your wallet ONCE. Do you feel that if you did not have the cash you would not have last your wallet? I don't think that's what you are saying, is it?. So isn't that kind of like saying 'I got lost driving in some city once so I'll never drive there again? '[/QUOTE]Your analogy is not at all relevant.

I lost my wallet once and never have been robbed. No it doesn't mean I will never carry a wallet again. It simply means its wise to not carry large amounts of cash with you in your wallet.

[QUOTE]Most people, when they lose their wallet are not concerned with the cash as its only cash but a few hours in a local motor vehicle dept. Is a killer. Then the credit cards, phone numbers and all the other shit in there you never really look at but don't want to lose. In fact, why does your wallet ever come out of your briefcase when you travel at all? Stick a hundred or $200 or $500 in the right pocket (or whatever working amount you need for the next few hours or the day) and your good to go. Keep the larger amount in your briefcase (with your wallet) or your left pocket if your concerned about your briefcase also being stolen, and don't pull from the left pocket so no one sees it. What's the issue?

How many times have you been robbed traveling? Or in life in general for that matter? If it an issue with losing things or being forgetful then that a different story then all bets are off. Then yes, measures should be taken to deal with one's absentmindedness. [/QUOTE]Yes I am absent minded. That's how I lost my wallet. I have been lucky enough not to get robbed, but have heard numerous stories of people robbed or their belongings stolen from tour buses, or bags snatched by motorcycle thieves. So I wouldn't take the risk to carry a large amount of cash, beyond what can afford to loose, whether in briefcase or whatever.

[QUOTE]Unless of course, as I strongly suspect from all the 'extreme cheap' talk here, that in fact many of the posters just have no money. Then sure, there's nothing to carry....[/QUOTE]Drifting off topic, but sure I agree that many arguments seemed to relate to penny pinching.

For me I don't see the need to travel with lots of cash with me, so I don't.

I can afford transfer fees and ATM fees when hit with them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1168165]As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."

For example,

[url]http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB[/url]

Shows US$1=30. 57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30. 55 THB.

If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.

If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30. 55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1. 50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107. 19[/QUOTE]If you're from Germany, you can get a DKB Visa Card, you can withdraw any amount with absolutely no additional cost, the rate is always better than what you get at the exchange places.

[QUOTE=Delgado;1168222]If you're from Germany, you can get a DKB Visa Card, you can withdraw any amount with absolutely no additional cost, the rate is always better than what you get at the exchange places.[/QUOTE]There are American cards that do the same thing.

Carrying a lot of cash around when you travel is just stupid.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1167891]OMG!

Will this become the standard for nana now? Anybody else see this card.[/QUOTE]I think they just bring the card out if the girl is brand new and doesn't know how to negotiate yet or doesn't know how to say "2000 baht" in English.

Slightly incorrect.

If you withdraw from ATM you get "TT" rates, if you exchange cash you get cash rate (Buy Note)

For example use this as a guide :

[url]http://www.krungsri.com/en/foreign-exchange-rates.aspx[/url]

Xe. Com shows the mid rates and not cash or TT (ATM) rates.

If you want to find which ATM's are giving the best rate then use the link below and change the currency into whichever you want and change "Currency Type" into TT. Then do search rates and it will show which ATM is givng the best rate. :

[url]http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1168165]As I said before, your argument is valid in most other countries, however Thailand is one of the few places it is not. In Thailand, you get a better rate from the exchange places and they do not charge fees on top. If you use your ATM card then you automatically have to pay 150 baht (US$5). Plus as 11Bravo said,"You can be charged an atm fee, an out of network fee, a foreign exchange fee all from your bank."

For example,

[url]http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=THB[/url]

Shows US$1=30. 57 THB at the moment. I just came from Second Road here in Pattaya and the exchange places are showing US$1=30. 55 THB.

If I change US$100 at an exchange place I am going to get 3055 THB into my pocket.

If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30. 55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1. 50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107. 19[/QUOTE]

If you really want to avoid card fees you could always bring your cash and put it on a thai bank account after your arrival. So you have both the lack of international fees and the security of a card instead of cash.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1168165]If I use the ATM to draw out 3055 THB, out of my account is going to come 3055 THB (withdrawl amount) + 150 THB (Thai Bank Fee) + 30.55 THB (1%: my USA bank's fee for currency exchange) + 46 THB (US$1.50 my bank charges for using out of network ATMs) = 3281 THB or US$ 107.19[/QUOTE]It is usually unwise to exchange into a foriegn currency in your home country as they like to rip off. Exchange rates are better in Thailand.

Usually I find that exchange rates are better for electronic funds transfer (or Travellers Cheques) than cash exchange in Thailand by about 1% (see various web sites). So I transfer in my home country's currency to Thai Bank Account, not allowing the home bank to make the exchange at a poor rate. The Thai bank makes the exchange at a good rate and charges a nominal fee of perhaps 100 Baht.

Suppose I send $4000 to Thailand Acct to last for a while. I believe I save approx. $40 over a cash exchange and even though I might have to pay a transfer fee of $20, I am still slightly better off. This method works because I don't bother to transfer amounts too small that would waste Xfer fees, unless its an emergency.

Perhaps I am not getting absolute best possible exchange rate all the time, from searching from one place to another, but I can't be bothered to go searching for top exchange rate unless its going to be a saving of at least $30 (and Ha Ha that just ain't going to happen). I would be better off spending my time working and earning money, rather than searching for the best place.

Obviously everyone has different priorities. My priority is to get more of my time when not at home in Thailand to enjoy. Its convenient to be easy to get money from any Thai ATMs, but pull enough at a time to not have to visit ATM too often. I have never been pick-pocketed. Hell, I have great trouble to get wallet out of front pocket myself, so wouldn't be real easy. Its only my own carelessness to worry about. I find that's what causes me to lose things in Thailand on occasions.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1168221]For me I don't see the need to travel with lots of cash with me, so I don't.

I can afford transfer fees and ATM fees when hit with them. [/QUOTE]Sounds good. To each his own.

My approach is exactly the opposite. I bring lots of cash (more than I ever seem to need) and my wallet never leaves my briefcase until I hit the hotel then into the safe with my passport and phone. I travel with 1 credit card mixed in with some cash in my pocket (the rest in my wallet) and after checkin that cc goes back into my wallet and doesn't come out till I return. My personal preference is I'd rather lose some cash then have to deal with stolen cc numbers and all associated hassles as I find myself more and more these days wanting to reach through the phone line and slap the customer service rep - usually somewhere in Madras or the Phils - but again, to each his own...

Regarding getting robbed / drugged – sure we all hear stories but not enough to worry methinks. Much like a plane crash - individually devastating but statistically rare.

In the end were all after the same thing, just different ways of getting there I guess.

As someone once said "trust in Allah but tie up your camel"...

OR, if you are USA based, get yourself a StateFarm Checking account with Visa Debit Card OR Schwab Account. NO 1% add ons and the 150bt ripoff is reimbursed every month.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1168262]If you really want to avoid card fees you could always bring your cash and put it on a thai bank account after your arrival. So you have both the lack of international fees and the security of a card instead of cash.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1168331]OR, if you are USA based, get yourself a StateFarm Checking account with Visa Debit Card OR Schwab Account. NO 1% add ons and the 150bt ripoff is reimbursed every month.[/QUOTE]Careful there, its well known that "debit cards" with a Visa or MC logo are the most dangerous form of cc. (your relationship with State Farm/Schwab notwithstanding). Banks will tell you that they are under no obligation to return your CASH and often take a long time doing so whereas with a cc your cash is still in your pocket.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1168262]If you really want to avoid card fees you could always bring your cash and put it on a thai bank account after your arrival. So you have both the lack of international fees and the security of a card instead of cash.[/QUOTE]The biggest problem, however, is how to open a bank account in BKK as a foreign visitor.

Have you any idea?

Regards.

FV

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor; 1168359]The biggest problem, however, is how to open a bank account in BKK as a foreign visitor.

Have you any idea?

Regards.

FV[/QUOTE]If rules haven't changed, go to Kasikorn Bank. Show your passport, give them an address (hotel will do) and open the account.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor;1168359]Have you any idea?[/QUOTE]Yes, research this thread; there are some posts about it, including one from me with all the details you need.

[QUOTE=Delgado;1168222]If you're from Germany, you can get a DKB Visa Card, you can withdraw any amount with absolutely no additional cost, the rate is always better than what you get at the exchange places.[/QUOTE]I have to correct myself, just checked their website, it seems anybody can open a completely free dkb cash online account. Withdrawels are absolutely free worldwide with the dkb visa card (visa card is also free, no yearly fees) , and they pay 1, 65 percent interest on your deposits. Technically you get a reimbursement for the 150 baht that you get charged when withdrawing cash from thai atms. It is an euro account though.

Hello, All,

I was several times in Thailand and stayed most of the time around Nana. I heart about numbered Hotels like Hotel 28 or other places where girls are provided.

By the Hotel. Does anyone have experiences with such a place in BKK or other areas in Thailand. In China, this is quite common but I did not see it in BKK so far.

Cheers.

Henry

I can only speak from experience in ONLY using the noted Debit cards for ATM withdrawals one does get refunded the 150 bt fee the beginning of the next month. I fully concur with your comments when using a debit card for purchases. Never, ever which is why I hold a Capital One Visa card for purchases. No 1% add on or visa fees. Been using this card for years.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1168337]Careful there, its well known that "debit cards" with a Visa or MC logo are the most dangerous form of cc. (your relationship with State Farm/Schwab notwithstanding). Banks will tell you that they are under no obligation to return your CASH and often take a long time doing so whereas with a cc your cash is still in your pocket.[/QUOTE]

Do any of you actually get any pussy or do you just fret about bank fees?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1168673]Do any of you actually get any pussy or do you just fret about bank fees?[/QUOTE]Finally! We were just killing time waiting for you to describe your last encounter...

[QUOTE=Sir Henry; 1168594]Hello, All,

I was several times in Thailand and stayed most of the time around Nana. I heart about numbered Hotels like Hotel 28 or other places where girls are provided.

By the Hotel. Does anyone have experiences with such a place in BKK or other areas in Thailand. In China, this is quite common but I did not see it in BKK so far.

Cheers.

Henry[/QUOTE]I've been to Thailand many many times and I have never heard or seen of a hotel that provided girls. There are plenty of girls around NANA and all over BKK that the hotels don't do that.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor; 1168359]The biggest problem, however, is how to open a bank account in BKK as a foreign visitor.

Have you any idea?

Regards.

FV[/QUOTE]It's very easy. Just go to the website of any Thai Bank. They will have English directions on what you need to open a bank account.

It's not that easy actually. Many agencies will refuse if you don't have a residence permit. Including Kbank agencies. But some are OK with it; go figure. Addresses can be found by searching the thread.

i made my bi-annual pilgramage to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s this afternoon. noy followed me in, and i recalled from high school that the finest bjs were given by the larger girls. and noy filled that bill. and for once in my life i was correct! for b805 including a beer, i got about 25 minutes of pretty fine oral attention. the boys were dealt with, and she dipped down for some very light rimming action and freed up her ample boobs for a gentle mauling. my finish was external (i like to see my handiwork) and i was more pleased than i have ever been in this joint. although i have never actually been disappointed before.

i have spent a few incredible nights in bkk, and this forum has a lot to do with it.

having spent countless hours reading posts, i have learned that the implied deal is that you don't forget the forum once you're back and share your adventures, so herei am!

btw, i'm sorry in advance for the writing quality of what is about to follow, as english is not my native language.

i have experienced a little bit of everything, but as there's already a lot of info about massage places on this forum, i will stick to basic comments concerning massages, thorough information concerning go go bars and before that, general tips for newbies.

general tips

1. print (sexual) maps.

bkk is a huge city, and knowing the address of a place will not make things that easier. never tell a taxi driver / tuck tuck driver that you're going to a massage place, he will either get a commission from that place (that you will have to pay) or try to talk you into going somewhere else. just ask to be dropped of by a hotel nearby (thus the maps).

if you have maps, you will see that it's quite easy to actually take the skytrain to most places, which is cheap (20 bath) and easy. and that in most areas, you can walk from one place to another.

it seems i can't share the link to the maps i've used in this post, but they are on the ************* website (map section)

2. stay in the nana area.

i found the best area to stay in to be nana, cause it's at a skytrain stop, but also cause it's walking distance to nana square (the best go go bars and sw area) and to some of the best massage (i. e eden.) and soapy massage (i. e annies) places. it's also very close to soy cowboy (1 skytrain stop or 15mn walking distance) who is a popular destination. you will also be very close to the 3 best clubs in the city, climax, bed and q ball. ( get a map!)

3. book a hotel.

if you decide to stay in the nana area, i'll make it easy for you:

- if you have no money, stay at nana hotel

- if you have some money (40-80 euros a night) stay at phacharas suites.

- if you have a lot of money (100 euros and above) stay at the marriott

all 3 are walking distance from each other and are girl friendly.

massages.

stop hesitating: if you have to try a massage, try at least these 3:

1. mango massage: the best one according to forum (s) members and local foreigners i've met during my trip.

2. eden massage: eden if famous for you having to get 2 girls who will dress up anyway you want and do anything you want. it seems to be the only place where if you take two girls they will also and sex with each other rather than taking times with you. but you have to pay for 2 girls.

3. annies massage: one of the best soapie massage in town, and you have to try a soapie at least once in your life. they are a few (but not a lot) other places offering soapie, but this is the original one and a safe bet. i've be to nataree as well, wich turned out to be disappointing. if you try only one, go for annies.

blow jobs.

there are a few posts about a somewhat different place called '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]'.

the girls only offer a blowjob for 700 baths.

that's all they do all day, so they're pretty good at it, although they pretty much all have the same technique.

i checked it out, and it was a great blowjob indeed.

i find it to be a good place to start with when you go out, so that you're not fully loaded and thus more patient in choosing the right girl in places where you will pay and expect more.

but come on. 10 euros for a good blowjob is a pretty sweet deal!

if you stay in the nana area, it's a 5mn walk from all 3 hotels listed above.

go go bars.

i will share more on go go bars, as i haven't been able to find as much info about them in the forums, compared to massages or soapies. (and also cause i had a blast going to them)

go go bars are places that are open from 7pm to 2am (best time to go is around 9 or 10 until late) where 10 to 80 girls dance on stage. entrance is free but you're expected to get a 70-145 baths drink (depending on the place and the time you go).

it's a great way to start if you're a newbie in bkk for many reasons

- time: you can order a drink, sit back and relax, no one is going to be very pushy.

- looks: if you've been to 3 go go bars, you've seen about 120 thai girls, and you can have a sense of what thai hookers look like, and what particular style does if for you. this will be helpful later on when you're picking up a girl in a massage place, because you will know the hotness level you can expect and be able to make the right choice of girl with less time to make it.

- choice: the go go bars are in 3 separate areas in the city (see below) but in each area, there at 10 to 30 bars. don't spend an hour in one bar. just go from one to the other, have a drink in each one, and leave when your beer's empty. only stay if you really like a girl that's in the particular bar you're in.

- mood: i found it a good way to get the mood of the city, chatting with tourists, mamasans, and random girls during their dancing breaks (who by the way are used to having a guy flirt with them for 15mn and leave it there, so take your time!)

once you did find your dream girl, tell the mamasan (you will know who) , she will have the girl sit with you for a chat. you pay a ladydrink (150 bath) , and have some time to decide if you want to go for her or send her back dancing. if you choose to 'take her', you have to pay the barfine (600 bath) and then you have two options. spend 1 hour with her in a room nearby (usually right above the bar) or take her out for part of or the entire night.

1 hour will cost 300 bath for the room + 1500 bath for the girl, for a grand total of 2400bath. i haven't taken a girl for the night, but i hear you can get away with 3000 bath for the girl.

i don't think you can get amazing sex if you take the 1 hour option. you're in a just ok room, you're allowed only 1 pop (except if you make it very (extremely) clear to the girl before you pay her that you want 2) and i found it to be nice, but a bit mechanical. but maybe that was my fault.

there are 3 places with go go bars in bkk, and each place has many of them.

1. patpong: 2 parallel streets with a night bazaar in the middle of them and bars, go go bars and ping pong shows (sexual show: go there once if it sounds fun to you, but not worth spending more than 45mn in there). patpong is the historical sexual center, thus looks old and run down. everyone looks sad, girls dance in bikini tops and shorts, i found it to be a bit depressing. if you have a chance to go to nana or soy cowboy, i wouldn't even bother going to patpong.

2. soy cowboy: 1 street full of go go bars. about 20 different bars. 50% dance in bikini top and bottom. 30% topless and 20% fully naked. depends on the bar rather than on the girl, so take a quick look inside and leave if what you see is not your thing.

3. nana square: definitely the place to go to, imo. more bars than any other place (30?) better girls, better mood, but more expensive. a drink will cost you 145 bath at any time of the night, whereas they have happy hours until 9 or even 10 in most bars in soy cowboy (half price).30% bikini. 40% topless. 40% fully nude. there's something for everyone, but if you're in a rush, at least drop by the following places

- rainbow 4: the biggest place, the 1st one to be crowed. great selection of girls, but imo, not the best mood. nothing "crazy" going on.

- spankys: not the best looking girls, but the craziest of them all. girls spank each other with some sort of plastic tube that doesn't hurt but makes a hell of a noise. you can also spank them yourself, and even buy the tube (nice souvenir: i bougth 2!). it's not s&m at all, just pure fun, and the girls seem to love it there. it looks like they're all friends, and having a great time. there's also a shower in the bar with 2-3 girls showering together and soaping each other up.

- i also liked to place all the way up when you take the left stairs upon entering nana square (fun girls) and the place all the way up when you take the stairs to your right upon entering (the best dancers) but i forgot the names.

watch out for the ladyboy go go bars. the information is somewhere on the web (can't recall where) but it's actually quite easy not to be mistaken: if a girl you pass by is very aggressive with you, groping you and stuff, it's probably a boy. if a go go bar is very empty and the girls wear shorts, just leave.

i've had 3 girls from 3 different bars. 1 was great. 1 was ok. 1 was poor. i guess you have to be lucky but spending some time talking to the girl before and seeing if there's a good or great vibe definitely helps!

ok, i hope this will help. let me know if you need more info, and all the best for your bkk adventures!

For all of you fans of Rawhide, it has undergone a management change and other changes have happened as well.

Firstly, the neon ceiling with the aquatic scenes (which has been there since the post fire revamp) has gone. Not to everyone's taste but I found it different and like it. The place now has disco lights.

Rawhide now has a pussy show similar to the one in Long Gun (Lucky Star). It may even be the same girls as the two bars where owned by the same person, I am not sure about ownership now. I am not a big fan of pussy shows, I find them a bit degrading to the girls, but if they are your scene then now you know.

The staff have changed. Both the main front of house mamasans have gone (one told me she was heading to Billboard on Nana).

I have attached a couple of pics of two of my favourite Rawhide girls.

J.

[QUOTE=Romannico;1169223]2. Stay in the Nana area.[/QUOTE]Hmmm,

Let's get some facts straight.

If the only purpose of your stay is finding girls for some action and spending as less money as possible. Then yes. Otherwise don't. Stay somewhere close to the river, at places with style. If you monger. Go to Nana. And if you find a girl be happy to get out of there.

[QUOTE=Romannico;1169223]...You will also be very close to the 3 best clubs in the city, Climax, Bed and Q Ball. ( get a map!)[/QUOTE]Climax is a late night spot. Bed. Bed Supper Club is something strange as well as Q-Bar. But all three are FOR SURE not to be mentioned amongst the "best clubs of the city". Bangkok is not THAT BAD.

[QUOTE=Romannico;1169223]- if you have no money, stay at Nana hotel[/QUOTE]Don't.

[QUOTE=Romannico;1169223]3. Annies Massage: one of the best soapie massage in town, and you HAVE to try a soapie at least once in your life. They are a few (but not a lot) other places offering soapie, but this is the original one and a safe bet. I've be to Nataree as well, wich turned out to be disappointing. If you try only one, go for Annies.[/QUOTE]There are many soapies in the city. Very very very many! Annies is ok. But there are so many places in Bangkok.

Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giotto;1169300]Stay somewhere close to the river, at places with style.[/QUOTE]What do you recommend?

stay near the river? only if you like watching boats go by. there is no real mongering there and you will have to take a tuk-tuk or cab.

don't stay at the nana hotel it is a dump, but there are many in the area. the dawin is nice and many, many others. there are also several hotels "with style" in the area. check out the jw marriott. it overlooks nana. i usually stay at the president palace on soi 11. all the fl spots, mp's, sw's, nana, cowboy, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, etc. are within walking distance or take the skytrain.

[QUOTE=Giotto;1169300]Climax is a late night spot. Bed. Bed Supper Club is something strange as well as Q-Bar. But all three are FOR SURE not to be mentioned amongst the "best clubs of the city". Bangkok is not THAT BAD.[/QUOTE]Would consider Climax as a late night spot too! Also it's very dark there.

What would you consider to be the best Clubs of the City. Or if you could just mention some? Route66 (if the name is right) at Ratchada area should be good?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1169388]Stay near the River? Only if you like watching boats go by. There is no real mongering there and you will have to take a tuk-tuk or cab.[/QUOTE]I think what the good man is trying to explain is tha Bangkok is a huge city with much more going for it than what people are exposed to between Soi 4 and 23 (and 33). Head into Nana when you want to hunt for a girl. But don't there 24/7 in a drunk stupor. Go to good regular clubs, not just clubs full of hookers.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1169487]I think what the good man is trying to explain is tha Bangkok is a huge city with much more going for it than what people are exposed to between Soi 4 and 23 (and 33). Head into Nana when you want to hunt for a girl. But don't there 24/7 in a drunk stupor. Go to good regular clubs, not just clubs full of hookers.[/QUOTE]I can buy that, but the post was info. For a newbie.

I think a newbie will have a lot more fun if he spends his first couple of trips in the war zone, not the river.

hmmm, fret over cash or fret over hotels, same, same...

[quote=luvpuss; 1169502]i can buy that, but the post was info. for a newbie.

i think a newbie will have a lot more fun if he spends his first couple of trips in the war zone, not the river. [/quote][quote=luvpuss; 1169388]stay near the river? only if you like watching boats go by. there is no real mongering there and you will have to take a tuk-tuk or cab.

don't stay at the nana hotel it is a dump, but there are many in the area. the dawin is nice and many, many others. there are also several hotels "with style" in the area. check out the jw marriott. it overlooks nana. i usually stay at the president palace on soi 11. all the fl spots, mp's, sw's, nana, cowboy, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, etc. are within walking distance or take the skytrain. [/quote][quote=luvpuss;1168673]do any of you actually get any pussy or do you just fret about bank fees?[/quote]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1169532]Hmmm, fret over cash or fret over hotels, same, same...[/QUOTE]I got plenty of cash and stay in nice hotels so not an issue to me.

I'll leave the fretting to you.

Info:

No alcohol to be sold starting today, 6 pm until tomorrow (Sunday) , midnight.

Many bars will be closed.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1169764]Info:

No alcohol to be sold starting today. 6 pm until tomorrow (Sunday) , midnight.

Many bars will be closed.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]I am sure there are B plans set so no customer will be dry. .

Am I right?

I know that you will deny this even under torture. So I am not asking LOL
Or do I know something more you do? Ah ah ah....
Just kidding, maybe!

[QUOTE=Monkey1818;1168827]It's very easy. Just go to the website of any Thai Bank. They will have English directions on what you need to open a bank account.[/QUOTE]Only Kosikorn (green) is know to open accounts with just a Visa or maybe even a Visa Exemption. All the other will require a work permit.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1166066]There are no Visa or arrival in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Just found that I was wrong above. Citizens of 24 countries can have a 15 days Visa On Arrival:

[url]http://www.mfa.go.th/web/2482.php?id=2491[/url]

How San Marino differs from rest of Europe, that's something only the Thais can explain !!!!

Now my friend is in the need to extend it for all the family (suposedly not allowed). He said he did that in the past already, I'll report here.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1168691]Finally! We were just killing time waiting for you to describe your last encounter...[/QUOTE]Hahaha! Some people really love to give to the banks!

Ok, I don't get to Bangkok too often which is both a shame and blessing. Too frequent trips and I think I would expire prematurely.

Let me preface the fact that I didn't arrive in BKK all horny and eager as I have done on previous trips. I had enjoyed 3 nights in Manila the week before with 3 young gals for nocturnal company and the night before my BKK trip enjoyed a Filipinia in Hsinchu in Taiwan. So I arrived relaxed.

Flew into BKK at about midnight last Friday. Got a sim card and did the usual posting of "Hi I'm here" type texts. Had done some research and had a few new numbers and some old ones from previous trips. Got to hotel at 1am and was blessed by a reply by Ms G. I had met her in KL (paid for her trip in fact) maybe 2 years earlier. Nice tall slim Thai lady, now 25 married to a guy working in Dubai. Seems he just sends money and doesn't have much to do with her these days. So she's bored and in BKK. So at 1. 30 am she arrives at my hotel, having driven there, with two bottles wine. She's added some weight but looks fine. She spends the first bottle of wine whinging about the husband then we have the second bottle in bed. First Freebie runs on the scoreboard. She leaves hotel at 11am.

At 12 noon I called a very friendly massage lady I know, Ms M. Have known her since she was 22 and she's now 27. Don't know how many massages / hand / blows I had from her but she's always sweet and happy and acts happy to see me. She comes to my hotel near Sukhumvit and before long her hand is doing what it does best, followed by lips. As variety, we have a hot bath together which is clearly something she's never done. She departs with Bht 1000 for a 90 minute massage and blow. Fair price I thought.

Me and Ms G meet up and go to Jatujek which is fun but was hot and I was running low on energy.

Later that night I'm off to Soi cowboy and Nana to have a look around before meeting with Ms V at 9. 30pm. Ms V came from DIA and I wasnt sure whether it was the best use of a Saturday night or not as I had only seen one pic of her. Met her outside Landmark. Tall, slim, wrong side of 35 but was fun to be with. She had 6 beers in and around soi 7, 8 and 9. She claimed she never knew that part of town.

Well by midnight we go back to my hotel and of course clothes off and she has a fabulous rack and not a badd ass.

I worried that when I woke up she would be a dragon but she wasnt and gave a nice follow up blow in the am. She left at about 1pm. Asked for taxi money and of course, my wallet had a Bht 20 note and some Bht 1, 000 notes. She got the 1, 000 which is more than she needed and I wanted to give. But read on, I got a refund on it. LOL.

So what should a man whos super tired and a bit hungover do. Go to Biergarden LOL. Sat and had a few brews and chatted to On and a few others. Decided I would pass on the offer of her accompanying me to hotel, I needed more sleep. I could tell it was going to be a long long long week. Up at 7pm, and wander around Cowboy and Nana (and see great gangs of Indian guys all over the place. A new BKK trend!)

Enjoyed time in Spankys, which is great idea for a bar. Being able to spank the ladies.

Beer goggles were on by now and ended up bar fining one of the ladies there. Maybe not the prettiest, but most interesting. My gal du jour had been the Thai chef in Shangri La. Great body with great body tone. We went out for something to eat and before long she's calling for the chef of the place, telling him his oil was too hot, his prawns werent so clean etcetc. Was very funny.

Back to the hotel and the expected bonking. I can't really remember it. She left with a whinge about the tip but I recall from reading here that Bht 1500 is about ok so I held my ground and she left.

Ok so now its Monday am and I'm due to go to a new large hotel by Chao Praya for a conference.

Did the opening conference cocktail party thing, and then at 9pm Ms M, the massage girl and I met and went to Patpong for a look and a drink. We head back to the hotel, and finally I get her in a normal guy / girl scenario rather than a massage working scenario. A good time was had. She departs with Bht 500 for services as she said she wasnt working so didn't need or want paying. Really nice girl.

Ok from there I did the work thing planning more nocturnal activities.

Tueday night came around and was out too early for Cowboy or Nana so found a nice enough massage place tucked away off a Sukh soi which meant they didn't have huge passing traffic.

Found a provider and we head up two flights of stairs to a nice private room. After a while she asks " do I want massage everywhere". Etc. She gets naked and amazingly she had 3 kids but not a trace of stretch marks. Nice happy smile, she was Ms S. She joins me in the shower. I get her number and I "thought" we agreed we would meet up next day so we could have a date etc. From there more beers in Spankys, Billboard and Erotica till I decided to get back to my hotel alone. Sleep was needed.

Next day call up Ms S and with the help of a colleague agree I would meet her at 6 and she could go off with me. 6pm I rock up at her place, she has a customer and can't go out. With barely a second thought I head off. I know theres lots more pastures anew not to be troubled by one dissapointment. And in next soi over, I find a place thats looks more like a spa than massage place, and select a friendly looking provider.

I wasnt sure if this was a legit sort of place and not but I neednt have worried, as my friend once said " its harder to have a legit massage than a sex massage LOL "

Within 5 minutes my hand is up her trouser leg, and she's planting a kiss or two on my ass cheeks. I knew all would be well with my new friend Ms N.

She gave a nice HJ, and had a nice body except her child had somewhat mis-shapen her boobs. But she was happy, funny, friendly and really nice company. So I got her number and arranged a date with her for the next day. Headed out of the massage place, had some Dollhouse beers (theres a 18 year old waitress upstairs in there that I would have loved to have bar fined but lacked time ). Left there and went to meet Ms V (from Saturday night.). More beers and this time in the room she's sad because she knows its our last meet, but equally passionate in a quite dominating way. She loved giving me a tit wank and I surely wasnt complaining! I had a 7. 30 breakfast meeting so I let her sleep in. At 10 am when we had a coffee break, I trot upstairs and she gives me a final blow and HJ so I returned to my conference dishevelled but smiling LOL. She left the hotel at 11am and left me a nice " keep in touch". So two nights of bonking for Bht 1, 000 puts it in the freebie category LOL.

Did my work, did some sweet kissing with the Dollhouse waitress then off to meet Ms N, the massage girl. Out of her work clothes she looks good. I did have to pay her " release" of Bht 500 but was fine with that. We went to Patpong and had several beers in various places. We get to hotel and she's a bit drunk. She positions a chair in the room facing the river, gets naked so her ass is in the window and gives me a great blow. She's a sweet girl so after sex, she wants to give me a massage, cleans me in shower etc. And says " Freebie I just want to take care of you etc"

As in previous day I had a 7. 30am breakfast meeting so as in previous day, I let her sleep in. We have a mid morning bonk, as in previous day then she asks if she can see me again, so I decide will see her later that day / night. There were lots of girls I wouldn't have minded bar fining but this gal was nice to be with, caring soul, looked good so why change. I did however tell her I couldn't meet her till 11pm. Which allowed me lots of time in Dollhouse, Jungle Jims (the nice girl with glasses was quite edible) and there were two in Erotica that I wanted too, but theres a limit as to how many you can do (and after 6 nights of this I was very tired!) Met up with Ms N at 11pm and we head to Patpong again. More fun there then head to hotel at 1am. I can't recall if we had sex but at 3am I know she woke me trying to " I want smoke you " as she described it often. She did same at 8am and then I felt bad as I hadn't told her I was actually leaving at 9am. That day. She's crying in shower and clearly trying hard to keep it together. I quietly left the room.

And that was 7 nights in BKK. Tomorrow theres a Filipina in Taipei to do. I truly don't know how guys live in BKK and stay sane. I love the place but have no idea how to stop chasing pussy there (as this report may well indicate!).

Nice report! How did you get the Shangri La chef? It doesn't sound easy to get her number if she is working.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1169810]Hahaha! Some people really love to give to the banks![/QUOTE]It is pretty funny.

If you are like some of us and have great credit, a mortgage that is on time, and plenty of money in the your account; your bank institution will give you accounts with no international fees for ATM, credit card, debit card, and will give you access to the best exchange rates.

But, I am sure you knew that.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1169954]Nice report! How did you get the Shangri La chef? It doesn't sound easy to get her number if she is working.[/QUOTE]She's an Ex Shangri La chef and is now working in Spankys. She has the short haired wig there.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1169300]Hmmm,

Let's get some facts straight.

If the only purpose of your stay is finding girls for some action and spending as less money as possible. Then yes. Otherwise don't. Stay somewhere close to the river, at places with style. If you monger. Go to Nana. And if you find a girl be happy to get out of there.

Climax is a late night spot. Bed. Bed Supper Club is something strange as well as Q-Bar. But all three are FOR SURE not to be mentioned amongst the "best clubs of the city". Bangkok is not THAT BAD.

Don't.

There are many soapies in the city. Very very very many! Annies is ok. But there are so many places in Bangkok.

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]I agree with most of this, except staying by the river. The river is okay if you are concentrating on touristy things like Royal Palace, what Pho (reclining Buddha) , what Arun (Temple of dawn) , what Saket, what Traimit (Solid Gold Buddha) etc, if you do try to be not too far from BTS line at Sapaan Thaksin or to a freeway entrance, so can get to other areas quickly. Traffic can be bad.

I prefer to stay close to Sukhumvit and Asoke intesection so can catch BTS (Skytrain) or MRT (Underground) easily to get to other places. Also not far from many Oily MPs.

Agree that many clubs are not great including Bed Supper Club (too cramped). A club should have a large dance area, mixed music variety, DJ who doesn't fuck it up, sound quality, and excellent ventillation to even to start to be impressive.

Annies is not a very typical Soapy. Rooms are very small. For me its barely in the Soapy category, more like a hybrid between a wayward Oily (small rooms) and a Soapy. Yes it does bath in most rooms. Wouldn't make to a top Soapies List for experienced Soapy goers. However for those looking for a more pornstar experience, Annies will probably beat most soapies.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1169764]Info:

No alcohol to be sold starting today. 6 pm until tomorrow (Sunday) , midnight.

Many bars will be closed.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]Beer Garden was open all day and night yesterday and open all day today. Just a case of who you know. If you know the right people you can serve alcohol, and if you do not then you must close.

BG was packed with people last night.

FreebieFan,

Great report. I may have a trip coming up to Thailand, now I can't wait. Next time you are in Manila, I've got a great "Health Club" near Coastal Mall, let me know if you want to check it out.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1169300]Hmmm,

Let's get some facts straight.

If the only purpose of your stay is finding girls for some action and spending as less money as possible. Then yes. Otherwise don't. Stay somewhere close to the river, at places with style. If you monger. Go to Nana. And if you find a girl be happy to get out of there.

Climax is a late night spot. Bed. Bed Supper Club is something strange as well as Q-Bar. But all three are FOR SURE not to be mentioned amongst the "best clubs of the city". Bangkok is not THAT BAD.

Don't.

There are many soapies in the city. Very very very many! Annies is ok. But there are so many places in Bangkok.

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey Giotto,

As we're on the internationalsexguide forum (vs. The BKK tourism forum) , I think that staying in the Nana area will get you action that will be closer to your ones expectactions than if you stay by the river.

I'm sure there are lots of other options, places to see and things to do in BKK, but my post was intended to be a quick help for newbies. I had never been in BKK, and it took me countless hours spent on the forums to organise my trip.

I thought it would be cool to narrow choices down a bit for people who will only have a couple / few nights in BKK and who have never been. I thought it would be a good way to get to know the sex scene and try a bit of everything. I'm sure that if you visit BKK several times or stay longer, there are hidden treasures to be found and tried as well.

It's absolutely possible that Bed and Qball are not the best clubs, but they are very famous, packed, fun, popular, and in the Nana area. I'd love to try others next time I'm in town if you have some recommendations.

As for soapies, I don't think there are so many places offering the original soapie (10?) , but again, it's a safe bet if you stay in the Nana area. What is your favorite one?

One last reaction concerning the hotel recommendations: someone (I'm not sure it's you) said that staying in Nana Hotel was a bad idea, as the place is a "dump". Well, I haven't been staying there, so I can't comment, but I recommended it only as an option if you don't have money. It's cheap, and the tourists I met who made the financial choice of staying there were quite happy with it. But of course, you can do better, maybe even in the same price ranges.

[QUOTE=Romannico; 1170224]. I thought it would be cool to narrow choices down a bit for people who will only have a couple / few nights in BKK and who have never been. I thought it would be a good way to get to know the sex scene and try a bit of everything. I'm sure that if you visit BKK several times or stay longer, there are hidden treasures to be found and tried as well.

It's absolutely possible that Bed and Qball are not the best clubs. [/QUOTE]I have only been to BKK once and Pattaya once. I liked your report and think it was right on target. Thanks.

I don't know how you can remember the names of the places. Bangkok was my first stop on the trip. I was so tired from the flight, plus drinking whisky, and checking out the scene. I could not remember the club I visited while there. I do remember bring a girl back from a club near Nana plaza. The club was a quick 5 minute cab ride from the corner (near McDonalds).

Does anyone know of the club I am talking about?

I believe it cost 200 baht to go in. Beer was good, girls were cool, and we all had fun. I never even discussed baht with my girl. We were both having a great time, drinking, dancing, and making out. At the hotel, she provided outstanding service and stayed all day (we didn't get back until very late). After we work up and had more fun, we went to eat in the early evening. It was well after 4pm. Maybe about 5. 5.30 pm, I walked her to a cab so I can go back to my hotel alone. She never asked for money. I offered / asked her about me giving her a gift and she got all warm and nervous. I had my hand on the small of her back and she was getting a litle warm. I could feel the change in her body temp. I told her I was only offering a small gift so she can buy something nice for herself later. Asked her how much. She asked me what I would give another girl. I said about 1000 baht since it is just a gift and we like each other and both of us had fun. She simply opened her purse and I put the baht bill inside.

We hailed a cab and she got in. I asked her to ask the cabbie how much it will cost to take her home. She told me its ok. I asked her again. She asked the cab driver, he replied, and then she told me about 80 baht. I tried to give her a 100 baht note but she did not want it. So I said ok. Then, just before I closed the cab door. I threw the 100 baht note on her lap (smile). I walked away and everyone was happy. Especially me because I had a great night. Good sex with a hot young chick. Enjoyed some much needed sleep, another blow job and screwing in the afternoon, and food. I know I spent a lot at the club. I think the beers at the club were about 140 baht each and we had a lot of them. Each time I rounded up for a tip. Anyway, I had a good girl and we had fun! Giving her 1000 baht was fine with me. I could have just put her in the cab and said good-bye. After all, she had fun too and all the drinks were on me. I will be back. Just wish I could remember the club.

Can you guys tell me the names and general locations of the clubs near Nana plaza?

[QUOTE=M6393; 1170201]FreebieFan,

Great report. I may have a trip coming up to Thailand, now I can't wait. Next time you are in Manila, I've got a great "Health Club" near Coastal Mall, let me know if you want to check it out.[/QUOTE]I'm a Manila regular, where I excel (in my own words LOL) at playing the Freebie game. Send me a pm if can about the heath club. I'm in Manila every few weeks.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Romannico; 1170224]Hey Giotto,

As we're on the internationalsexguide forum (vs. The BKK tourism forum) , I think that staying in the Nana area will get you action that will be closer to your ones expectactions than if you stay by the river.

I'm sure there are lots of other options, places to see and things to do in BKK, but my post was intended to be a quick help for newbies. I had never been in BKK, and it took me countless hours spent on the forums to organise my trip.

I thought it would be cool to narrow choices down a bit for people who will only have a couple / few nights in BKK and who have never been. I thought it would be a good way to get to know the sex scene and try a bit of everything. I'm sure that if you visit BKK several times or stay longer, there are hidden treasures to be found and tried as well.

It's absolutely possible that Bed and Qball are not the best clubs, but they are very famous, packed, fun, popular, and in the Nana area. I'd love to try others next time I'm in town if you have some recommendations.

As for soapies, I don't think there are so many places offering the original soapie (10?) , but again, it's a safe bet if you stay in the Nana area. What is your favorite one?

One last reaction concerning the hotel recommendations: someone (I'm not sure it's you) said that staying in Nana Hotel was a bad idea, as the place is a "dump". Well, I haven't been staying there, so I can't comment, but I recommended it only as an option if you don't have money. It's cheap, and the tourists I met who made the financial choice of staying there were quite happy with it. But of course, you can do better, maybe even in the same price ranges. [/QUOTE]Maybe I'm just on edge lately?

Giotto statement you quoted, he agrees with you but you miss the point! If you want to monger and have action " stay in the Nana area "

I have stayed at the Nana Hotel, for years! Some consider it a dump some consider it okay like me. In all my years I have never seen roaches in the rooms, there is the classic red dark carpet that is use in many old hotels like Nana. I wish it was something else but it is what it is?

I stay at the Nana as a base because it is near the BTS, and centrally located when I need to visit the US Embassy in the morning after a night of mongering at the Nana Disco which is now Liquids? I can stay down the road in something cheaper for half but Nana has always been good to me. Use to be 1290 baht, but has been raised to 1490 baht since my last stay in August of 2010. With that I get a free drink at the bar, although I never use the coupon with a free newspaper in the morning and a free buffet breakfast. Last year the manager offer me a free suite when he found out I rode my bike from Pattaya to Bangkok at my age but I decline and said all I need is a regular room but felt for a hotel like Nana it was a nice offer! I could go down the road and get something smaller along with the red carpet for 1/2 the price but Nana has been good to me and given me some good memories!

Lately I have been thinking about finding another place to stay not because I'm a racist or anything but I noticed through the years the population that use to stay on Soi 3 is now moving into the Soi 4 area and I have develop a sensitivty to see women all cover up and the men rudely speaking and being pushy. It just my thing sorry! But right now I would still stay at Nana because (to me) they have a great grill porkchop dinner and I still like the Bus Stop and having the disco (liquid) open is a plus if you don't want to venture too far.

LBM

Yeah, I'd like to check it out. Details please and thanks!

[QUOTE=M6393; 1170201]FreebieFan,

Great report. I may have a trip coming up to Thailand, now I can't wait. Next time you are in Manila, I've got a great "Health Club" near Coastal Mall, let me know if you want to check it out. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Romannico; 1170224]Hey Giotto,

As we're on the internationalsexguide forum (vs. The BKK tourism forum) , I think that staying in the Nana area will get you action that will be closer to your ones expectactions than if you stay by the river. [/QUOTE]Romannico,

Agreed, I think I mentioned that if your main purpose is mongering then staying in the Nana area makes sense. Otherwise I would certainly chose a hotel outside of those sex-tourist areas.

[QUOTE=Romannico;1170224]It's absolutely possible that Bed and Qball are not the best clubs ...[/QUOTE]It's "Bed Supperclub" and "Q Bar".

Before you mentioned those clubs together with Climax as some of the best clubs of Bangkok.

To clarify: Climax is a late night spot where basically the left-overs go after the bars (gogo's, beer bars) close at around 1 am. It's a meat market, good for mongering (purpose of this forum) , sub-culture. Bed Supper Club and Q Bar are not really mongering spots, though you find some professionals and semi-professionals there, too. This are clubs trying to target the upscale market (more or less successful) , quite expensive places. I never understood this concepts, have no idea where the fun factor is in those places, and I never felt good in there (but that's my personal taste).

For mongering it makes more sense to go to places like Spasso, CM2 or even Bangkok Beat in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. For fun Narzissus (Narz) , several Thai clubs (read Stickman's weekly, approx. 2 weeks ago) , Saxophone at Victory Monument, the Jazz Bar strip at Lumphini Park, for the younger people the clubs of RCA (Route 66 etc.).

[QUOTE=Romannico;1170224]someone (I'm not sure it's you) said that staying in Nana Hotel was a bad idea[/QUOTE]As a hotel owner myself I don't want to call Nana Hotel a shit hole. But if I see a shit hole Freud could make me call it Nana hotel.

Giotto

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1170130]Beer Garden was open all day and night yesterday and open all day today. Just a case of who you know. If you know the right people you can serve alcohol, and if you do not then you must close.

BG was packed with people last night. [/QUOTE]Saturday night most of the bars / clubs here in Soi 33 were closed. Livingstone's was open, and we had quite good business. Yesterday (Sunday) most of the bars here in the road were open, and sold alcohol. Only very few customers in all the road.

The risk for some police action when selling alcohol on the pre-election weekend is low. Next week it will be different! Next week the police will try to make money. The risk is always on the bar owners side. The customer usually has no problem. He just need to find a place where alcohol is sold.

To a certain extend I find the action on those days strange: Lots and lots of customers come in and ask whether we sell alcohol. Most of them walk out when we answer that we don't. There are obviously many people out there who cannot survive a single day (or even two) without drinking. Certainly something those people should think about.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1170407]. . . Next week it will be different! Next week the police will try to make money. Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]For the sake of my knowledge, what's on next week?

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1170407]. . . To a certain extend I find the action on those days strange: Lots and lots of customers come in and ask whether we sell alcohol. Most of them walk out when we answer that we don't. There are obviously many people out there who cannot survive a single day (or even two) without drinking. Certainly something those people should think about. Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]Good point! I am not a big alcohol drinker and never felt bad in Thailand if I order soft drinks or so (in general) as probably the bar is still making its good amount of profit on that too.

I was surprised when my friend running a bar in Thailand told me that "iced tea" gives him high revenue!

Whilst in Europe alcohol based drinks generate much higher revenues than soft drinks.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1170435]For the sake of my knowledge, what's on next week?

Good point! I am not a big alcohol drinker and never felt bad in Thailand if I order soft drinks or so (in general) as probably the bar is still making its good amount of profit on that too.

I was surprised when my friend running a bar in Thailand told me that "iced tea" gives him high revenue!

Whilst in Europe alcohol based drinks generate much higher revenues than soft drinks. [/QUOTE]Maybe the election is on next week Bionicman?

As for the drinking I am with you and Giotto on this. Surely a day or two without a drink is no big deal. I saw people posting with details about how and where to buy alchol. So what?

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1170435]Good point! I am not a big alcohol drinker and never felt bad in Thailand if I order soft drinks or so (in general) as probably the bar is still making its good amount of profit on that too. I was surprised when my friend running a bar in Thailand told me that "iced tea" gives him high revenue! Whilst in Europe alcohol based drinks generate much higher revenues than soft drinks.[/QUOTE]I think that has something to do with them selling the soft drinks for the same price as they do a beer. I'm not a big drinker either, but if I got to pay the same 90 baht whether it's alcohol or non-alcohol, then yep, I'll go with the alcohol.

[QUOTE=Clokey; 1170444]Maybe the election is on next week Bionicman?

Surely a day or two without a drink is no big deal. I saw people posting with details about how and where to buy alchol. So what? [/QUOTE]Wasnt clear to' me the election issue as there was a ban last weekend too.

But being far away doesn't get me into the news.

Soft drinks at dame price as alcohol ones makes my decision easy: still soft drink.

On the subjects of posting details as such reminds me the obsessions to search for some ATM to save a few tens of bhats.

I am in Hong Kong and will be free around 7pm on Wednesday night. My flight leave BKK on Saturday night. Do you think the election will cramp the amount of fun that can be had if I was to come Thursday during the day? I assume taking a 10pm flight on Wednesday is a waste if a night as I won't land until midnight, better to hit wanchai. But, do you think the election makes it better to just take a flight in for my flight and stay and have fund in Hong Kong. The primary purpose of these 3 days is for the sort of fun this forum is about. I have never been to Bangkok before.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Yhddude13; 1170658]I am in Hong Kong and will be free around 7pm on Wednesday night. My flight leave BKK on Saturday night. Do you think the election will cramp the amount of fun that can be had if I was to come Thursday during the day? I assume taking a 10pm flight on Wednesday is a waste if a night as I won't land until midnight, better to hit wanchai. But, do you think the election makes it better to just take a flight in for my flight and stay and have fund in Hong Kong. The primary purpose of these 3 days is for the sort of fun this forum is about. I have never been to Bangkok before.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I took that 9. 30 pm flight 10 days back, arrived at midnight and was happily with company 90 minutes later. It can be done. HK way more expensive and don't forget theres always lots of stuff on the streets of BKK regardless of time. Outside Westin on Sukhumvit last Friday night there was over 20 at 10pm. If you have never been to BKK I don't know what you are waiting for. Its Sexual Paradise. Go go go.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1170405]Romannico,

Agreed, I think I mentioned that if your main purpose is mongering then staying in the Nana area makes sense. Otherwise I would certainly chose a hotel outside of those sex-tourist areas.

It's "Bed Supperclub" and "Q Bar".

Before you mentioned those clubs together with Climax as some of the best clubs of Bangkok.

To clarify: Climax is a late night spot where basically the left-overs go after the bars (gogo's, beer bars) close at around 1 am. It's a meat market, good for mongering (purpose of this forum) , sub-culture. Bed Supper Club and Q Bar are not really mongering spots, though you find some professionals and semi-professionals there, too. This are clubs trying to target the upscale market (more or less successful) , quite expensive places. I never understood this concepts, have no idea where the fun factor is in those places, and I never felt good in there (but that's my personal taste).

For mongering it makes more sense to go to places like Spasso, CM2 or even Bangkok Beat in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. For fun Narzissus (Narz) , several Thai clubs (read Stickman's weekly, approx. 2 weeks ago) , Saxophone at Victory Monument, the Jazz Bar strip at Lumphini Park, for the younger people the clubs of RCA (Route 66 etc.).

As a hotel owner myself I don't want to call Nana Hotel a shit hole. But if I see a shit hole Freud could make me call it Nana hotel.

Giotto[/QUOTE]Giotto, thanks for the great clubbing advice. I should have been more carefull by claiming Bed or Q Bar "best in town". Maybe it's an age thing (I'm 32)?

As for Nana, I found it a very practical location for tourism and mongering, as you're right in the middle of the mongering action and easely connected to many tourist attractions thanks to the Sky Train stop.

Anyway, the reason I'm posting again is that when I read that you are a hotel owner yourself and saw that you have been posting 4000+, I got curious and ended up discovering the entire section on this forum that you manage.

For some reason, I had never checked it you, and I think that other newbies might oversee it as well.

That's too bad, cause there's a lot of great advice in there, and especially because there is actually a hotel that will not only welcome newbies, but give them all the advice they need to enjoy the city once they check in.

Most posts concerning the hotel are pretty old (2006) , maybe it would make sense to have a new post and put it in the Links to Reports of Distinction section?

I think that this would be a great help for newbies and a way to avoid those "Hey, I'm going to BKK, give me advice please" posts.

Hello,

Making my first trip to Thailand / Bangkok. Here on work and have a cramped schedule. While the site has alot of info I am trying my best to take as much info. If any senior members can suggest 2 or 3 places where I should visit (maybe one good girls bar, massage parlor) then I will be really appreciative. Are there any strip shows in Bangkok? Can you pick up women there? How do I know that I am entering a ladyboy joint? A little concerned and a lot of excitement. Any info will be really helpful in exploring the sex capital of the world.

Rgds.

CS

[QUOTE=Cutieass; 1170831]Hello,

Making my first trip to Thailand / Bangkok. Here on work and have a cramped schedule. While the site has alot of info I am trying my best to take as much info. If any senior members can suggest 2 or 3 places where I should visit (maybe one good girls bar, massage parlor) then I will be really appreciative. Are there any strip shows in Bangkok? Can you pick up women there? How do I know that I am entering a ladyboy joint? A little concerned and a lot of excitement. Any info will be really helpful in exploring the sex capital of the world.

Rgds.

CS[/QUOTE]Relax, BKK is the mongering equivalent of 6 Flags amusement park. Take a stroll through cowbow (1 block long) and you'll have everything you are looking for. The next nite if, there is one, head over to Nana and repeat. Regarding LB's, you'll know them when you see them...

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1170512]I think that has something to do with them selling the soft drinks for the same price as they do a beer. I'm not a big drinker either, but if I got to pay the same 90 baht whether it's alcohol or non-alcohol, then yep, I'll go with the alcohol.[/QUOTE]I think in some countries, like Germany it is illegal to not sell non-alcoholic cheaper than alcoholic drinks. I believe that the calorie content means you could add 20kgs a year drinking beer over say soda water. I just know 1 drink chased down by one soda water is better for the head.

When girls see me drinking soda, I see an attitude change for the better, and some knock-backs (I guess they know I am not exactly going to pass out and fall asleep).

Found one beer bar where soda is 15 baht, so I always tip up to around 45 bt (beer was 50) so they see it is not a money thing, and then better at barfining them out before 10pm as I drop hints that I never barfine LT after 12 pm, so they are keen to snag an early nights rest.

LT is 1000, fine 200-300 max, but in the beer hall end walking street Pattaya Klang they often cave to 100 bt barfine after 1am. IF they know you move on. Maybe they know I never negotiate and am a nice keeniu by nature. I say they have tom tom drums as if I move bars

They say 'I go 1000' straight up if its a slow night.

Not managed to go under 1000 at anywhere yet. My second rule is that I tip 200 extra if they did not need prompting in the morning or invent excuses to leave early. Third rule is I always try to pick a prettier one next night, but if that does not pan out, previous one (if satisfactory) has first right of pick. If the price is high I walk and don't tip on the soda much.

This I can cover twice as many bars for the same price by sticking to non-alcoholics.

Some bars say they don't have soda water when they do, you just have to call it by the brand name. And if the bin price is high, I leave the soda, and tell the bar manageress I don't want to insult her girls, and judging by the soda waters price, better go back to my 'usual' bar.

I guarantee if you ask next night, their soda water has been reduced to 15 bt.

I'm sure they call me Mr soda water behind my back, but at least I get to mess with their heads, that this farang is not a fool, and is a keen shopper.

[QUOTE=Keeniu; 1170859]I think in some countries, like Germany it is illegal to not sell non-alcoholic cheaper than alcoholic drinks.

Found one beer bar where soda is 15 baht, so I always tip up to around 45 bt (beer was 50) so they see it is not a money thing, and then better at barfining them out before 10pm as I drop hints that I never barfine LT after 12 pm, so they are keen to snag an early nights rest. [/QUOTE]Good strategy! It is not for the money, but repeated evenings with bar hoppings here and there to check talents are definetely a killer for the head (both, at the end) and for the health!

[QUOTE=Romannico; 1170781]Giotto, thanks for the great clubbing advice. I. Anyway, the reason I'm posting again is that when I read that you are a hotel owner yourself and saw that you have been posting 4000+, I got curious and ended up discovering the entire section on this forum that you manage.

I think that this would be a great help for newbies and a way to avoid those "Hey, I'm going to BKK, give me advice please" posts. [/QUOTE]Giotto is too shy! .

But you can find some reports on LL here and there.

I think there are not many about what happens at LL for the simple reason that what happens in LL stays in LL LOL.

LL is up and running and a good place where to stay.

Not at the bottom end price wise, but also not at the top.

It incldues a Sports bar. And then. Just look at their web page.

It is a fully legitimate hotel, nobody can see anything wrong if you say you have been ther and give the webaddress back home.

It is in Soi 33 where there is sufficient action fo some kind and the other actions (Soi Cowboy, Nana) are reachable either by walling (20') or taxi or moto-taxi.

[quote=bionicman; 1170897]giotto is too shy! .[/quote]bionicman,

you bestard!

giotto is --- old already. and imprisoned [at livingstones lodge]! he suffers a lot! castrated of his freedom, big brother is watching him. giotto needs to sit on his desk at his pool, drinking coffee, red wine and gin & tonic, watching the young ladies coming in and walking out. meanwhile pretending to work! what a hard life this is.

no massage parlor research any more. no mia nois. no nothing! furthermore giotto is a permanent victim of sexual harassment. forced to perform, raped again and again. completely dried out. big brother is hell on earth!

giotto never ever ever goes out. never ever. that's why giotto's background info is overaged.

[this is the official version. ] sometimes giotto is forced by customers to go out. this night-tours with customers, returning at 6 am. no sleep at all, damned, and the early check-in is then "supervised" by big brother. sometimes giotto needs to do some bank business (what for, in the times of internet?). sometimes giotto needs to take a walk. sitting too much is not good for his health. sometimes giotto needs to check out the latest computer technology in panthip or fortune. and giotto spends a lot of time in book shops (though he definitely cannot read).

[there is no in-official version]. big brother reads the forum.

but big brother does not sit on my desk and listens to what i discuss with our customers here at livingstone's lodge.


giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

ps: jackson, the automatic spelling correction functionality of the forum sucks!

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1170908]Bionicman,

You BESTARD!

Giotto is. Old already.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

PS: Jackson, the automatic spelling correction functionality of the forum sucks! [/QUOTE]For those Who do not know or did not get it Big Brother materializes under the form of a long haired lady sitting at a desk in the reception area, where she can have a strict surveillance on the old man.

I leave to you guys the guess what can link the two.

Indeed she cannot read through the lips when he talks.

That enables a lot of hotel guests to acquire the saviourness of the man about BKK (nightlife? I can't tell, I am a bestard) Doesn't matter if some stories are old. The principals and fundamentals stay still. Especially in Thailand where same-same but

Different happens the other way round.

A friendly staff is there to help you out.

One of the best features of the LL is breakfast: seems to run at any time allowing any one to maintain his time zone.

And did I mention the Sports Bar? You can play pool there with the one who can be your lady of the night once you feel the chemistry. Just in case one doesn't want to venture too far away or in the bars if Soi33.

Why I am promoting LL? Don't know actually, at the best I can aim at a watermelon juice on side of the pool.

See you there in October folks. Next trip to Asia is set.

i was going over the website and i came across a milf. 49 years old. high school teacher. what are the chances? probably none, but it's all a numbers game so i show interest. little did i know this one would really be interested in me. we made plans to meet. we decided that we would meet at big c and go from there. she told me that i was a big guy so if she went to my place maybe i would hurt her. i could not understand why she thought i would hurt her. i asked her what she wanted to do and she said she wanted to go to my apartment. she had never been with a farang and she wanted to be with me. that is what she meant about me hurting her. my dick in her pussy. wow, that was easy.

i told her that she could follow me in her car back to my place from big c. she declined. she said that she would leave her car at big c and come with me on my motorbike. she said it is not good for a thai lady to be seen going to a farang's place. i didn't get it. she would be seen anyway. it's just that her car would not be parked outside. okay, whatever.

so we met up at big c on a saturday at 11:30 and ate at mk. 500 baht. we went back to my place and immediately got undressed. the festivities were on full speed ahead. after round 2 we took showers. when i came out of the shower she had her phone ready saying she wanted to take a picture of my dick. lol. now i know how these women feel when we always want to whip out our cameras. i told her no because now it is too small. we had fucked twice and i had been in water. i told her to wait until next time so she can take the pictures when it is big and i can take some of her as well. she agreed. i took her back to her car at big c and off she went.

she came back after school the following wednesday. maybe they have some partial day because she said she is always available to come see me wednesdays from 11:30am – 4pm. this time it was the same routine without the lunch. when i got her home she put my dick directly into her mouth without passing go. she took a couple of photos with her phone which did not turn out well so i got my camera out. we had a fun-filled afternoon. we did manage to spend an hour at the beach that day before coming back for round 2.

[quote=mr enternational;1170948]link to pics[/quote]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1170944] She said that she would leave her car at Big C and come with me on my motorbike. She said it is not good for a Thai lady to be seen going to a farang's place. I didn't get it. She would be seen anyway. It's just that her car would not be parked outside. Okay, whatever.[/QUOTE]

Weird Asian logic strikes again :)

It looks like you have a nice thing going there. Bravo! Which website did you find her on?

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1170997]Weird Asian logic strikes again.

It looks like you have a nice thing going there. Bravo! Which website did you find her on? [/QUOTE]I found her on Tagged.

Think you got the wrong thread E. What is in those non-alcoholic beverages? LOL.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1170944]I was going over the website and I came across a MILF. 49 years old. High school teacher. What are the chances? Probably none, but it's all a numbers game so I show interest. Little did I know this one would really be interested in me. We made plans to meet. We decided that we would meet at Big C and go from there....... We did manage to spend an hour at the beach that day before coming back for round 2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1170840]Relax, BKK is the mongering equivalent of 6 Flags amusement park. Take a stroll through cowbow (1 block long) and you'll have everything you are looking for. The next nite if, there is one, head over to Nana and repeat. Regarding LB's, you'll know them when you see them...[/QUOTE]Cheers. I owe you one.

9PM: Beautiful girls at Rainbow 4 in Soi Nana and a very kind waitress. I signal one of the girls on stage to join me for a drink, she smiles but does not come, second one #69 is super-beautiful, she comes over, I buy her a drink, she asks if we are going to go for short time, I say let's see and the next second she is gone! Her glass is still full, I am in shock.

11PM: Rawhide girls in Soi Cowboy are still raw, not so attractive tonight but very naked, move on.

11:30PM: Baccara, waitress recognizes me from last time, asks for a drink, which she gets, this girl on stage is so sexy, she is dancing for a Japanese guy, I call her over, she comes (at least that is better than in Rainbow) , she gets a couple drinks (I am quite sure she ordered an extra tequila without asking me) , we go back to my room because she looks cute and where would I go next anyway. Once in the room she vomits, walks out of the bathtub without drying and spills water and soap all over the floor, not a big deal but then she has signs of herpes. I won't do her, she asks why, I tell her, she gets mad, calls me names, leaves the room without looking at me.

3AM: Insomnia Night Club. First time in this place, which was quite busy at this late hour. Lots of guys and as many girls, many of them pretty, some of model quality. 300B entrance fee includes a drink, then 155B per drink. I stay by myself for a while, which prompts several groups of girls to hang around at my table a little, then leave because I did not talk to them. The waiter points at a sexy dancer on the stage and asks me "do you want her"? I pass, will do my shopping myself. Then SOM appears behind me. She is a beautiful creature. 20 years old, half angel half virgin in the figurative sense of the term. But the girl she is with does all the talking."Hi this is my sister, she likes you but she is shy, can you buy us drinks, we almost never come here, I am trying to teach her to go with foreigners"". Wow.

Of course they did not look alike at all and when they kissed each other on the mouth to convince me to do a 3some I had no further doubt the sister story was for the benefit of my fantasy only. Fine, the problem is we could not agree on the price, still with the "sister" doing all the talking, she would accept 2K but Som wants 3K AND I have to take both because Som never goes with a stranger alone (Som being the beautiful one). Lots of touching and groping in the club, we get out and the sister insists to take a taxi to go to my hotel which is directly across the street. Then she says they are hungry, starts to give me bad vibes.

We get out of the taxi and I refuse to go in the hotel, I stay outside and ask exactly what it is she thinks we agreed to in the noisy club. She (the bad sister) now ups the price to 6K for both, I politely tell her goodnight and suggest she go look for another farang. Then Som speaks, almost for the fist time of the evening. She wants 3K, I agree to give them to her but I don't want her friend to join. The friend says no way, Som says fine. They start arguing with each other, this in front of the doormen at my hotel at 5AM. Finally Som follows me in the hotel, while the other girl walks away screaming bloody murder in the middle of the street. Unreal, but hey this is BKK.

With this kind of premises I expect any experienced monger would safely predict a disaster once in the room. Well, no. Once the other girl was gone Som metamorphosed into that half angel / virgin I was talking about, gorgeous body, softest lips, we did everything that came to mind and she appeared to enjoy it, the rest of the night was pure bliss. No rush, no problem, pure liquid sugar. I am planning to see her again tonight, or maybe I'll move to BKK, she is worth it. I don't have any pictures but will try to get some and post them if I see her again.

you are moving to bkk for a bar girl you've just met? .:)

just fyi, in asia girls call their friends "sister" all the time. it doesn't mean they are trying to trick you, it's just a figure of speech.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1171609]. I am planning to see her again tonight, or maybe I'll move to BKK, she is worth it. .[/QUOTE]Mate. Friendly adivce: do not do it!

[quote=bionicman;1171661]mate. friendly adivce: do not do it![/quote][quote=chill out; 1171656]you are moving to bkk for a bar girl you've just met? .

just fyi, in asia girls call their friends "sister" all the time. it doesn't mean they are trying to trick you, it's just a figure of speech.[/quote]aww. don't listen to these jealous guys. party poopers! follow your heart and do it. be sure to keep us updated on a daily basis! .

[QUOTE=Mahal;1171609]I am planning to see her again tonight, or maybe I'll move to BKK, she is worth it. I don't have any pictures but will try to get some and post them if I see her again.[/QUOTE]Ähm. You want to move to BKK because you met her 1 time? Or do you stay in Thailand already. Just not in BKK? .

Or did I get levelled here.

[QUOTE=Mahal; 1171609]9PM: Beautiful girls at Rainbow 4 in Soi Nana and a very kind waitress. I signal one of the girls on stage to join me for a drink, she smiles but does not come, second one #69 is super-beautiful, she comes over, I buy her a drink, she asks if we are going to go for short time, I say let's see and the next second she is gone! Her glass is still full, I am in shock.[/QUOTE]Excellent description, I particularly liked the last part, where you tactfully handled the right girl and politely asked the other girl to go. I would not have been able to do that, for fearing of making a scene or for hurting the other girl.

Excellent report, do post some pics of your angel, for us to be jealous. I am jealous already.)

[QUOTE=Mahal;1171609]. I am planning to see her again tonight, or maybe I'll move to BKK, she is worth it. I don't have any pictures but will try to get some and post them if I see her again.[/QUOTE]Come on guys, he was kidding. He wrote he plans on seeing her again, or 'MAYBE' move to BKK. He may not even see her again.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1171736].and politely asked the other girl to go. I would not have been able to do that, for fearing of making a scene or for hurting the other girl.[/QUOTE]You are right, but on the other hand the "other" girl seemed a bit of a hard negotiator.

As all negotiatior she has to take into account to loose the deal and in such a case the result is to leave empty handed.

So at the end I would not feel much of a broken heart in kicking her away

She definetely seemed to try to take advantage of the dealing weakness of the other girl (who quickly learnt about the ropes of the business)

As a pimp the "other" girl has been failing, and failed also to piggy back the better girl.

I am guessing today the couple has split.

Guess we'll find out tomorrow how Mahal made out.

Post a pic or two. I'm interested to see what a half-angel / half-virgin looks like. All that innocence must be sexy as hell!

[QUOTE=Mahal;1171609]-- With this kind of premises I expect any experienced monger would safely predict a disaster once in the room. Well, no. Once the other girl was gone Som metamorphosed into that half angel / virgin I was talking about, gorgeous body, softest lips, we did everything that came to mind and she appeared to enjoy it, the rest of the night was pure bliss. No rush, no problem, pure liquid sugar. I am planning to see her again tonight, or maybe I'll move to BKK, she is worth it. I don't have any pictures but will try to get some and post them if I see her again.[/QUOTE]Good story. Lots of feigned interest, subtle deceit and drama, Thai style. Bangkok nights out are full of this stuff!

Once you move here and make some "friends," the nights out get better, and the "friendships" often bloom into quasi relationships with "real" sex. Just bring a lot of money to fuel the party and an open mind. The best part is there is always another pretty girl on the next bar stool, chrome pole, website, etc, etc.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1171609]We get out of the taxi and I refuse to go in the hotel, I stay outside and ask exactly what it is she thinks we agreed to in the noisy club. She (the bad sister) now ups the price to 6K for both, I politely tell her goodnight and suggest she go look for another farang. Then Som speaks, almost for the fist time of the evening. She wants 3K, I agree to give them to her but I don't want her friend to join. The friend says no way, Som says fine. They start arguing with each other, this in front of the doormen at my hotel at 5AM. Finally Som follows me in the hotel, while the other girl walks away screaming bloody murder in the middle of the street. Unreal, but hey this is BKK.[/QUOTE]You executed that right on the money. You didn't let your dick do all of the thinking. I know the shitty friend did not expect Som to pass up 3, 000 baht dealing with her bullshit.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1171809]The best part is there is always another pretty girl on the next bar stool, chrome pole, website, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]Nothing to do with the thread but with the photo. I have enjoyed your street photos for a while. One thing I have noticed is the short, stylish skirts and dresses the every day girls wear. Is this normal just in BKK, Pats and other major cities or country wide. I always thought Thailand was a more conservative country but from your photos it's quite western.

Thanks,

Slim

[QUOTE=Pipe Layer99;1171740]Come on guys, he was kidding. He wrote he plans on seeing her again, or 'MAYBE' move to BKK. He may not even see her again.[/QUOTE]Thank you Pipe Layer99, yes, I was kidding! Of course not moving to BKK but I did see her again last night. Here is how it went:

So I have her cell number and call her around 1AM because that is when I became free from my work obligations. First time no answer, I try again she picks up the phone, remembers me but I have no idea what she is saying, later found out she was saying it's "laining" (raining) and that is why she could not go out. I am trying to get her to come to my hotel and she keeps saying she will call me back and does not and laining laining. Finally I call her again (total 3 or 4 times) and tell her I am going to Insomnia and will wait for her there. By that time it is 2:15AM, I figure I will have no difficulty finding company at Insomnia and that she probably won't come.

By 3:30AM I give up waiting and switch to hunting mode (lots of new girls still coming in at 3AM. 4AM maybe back from ST sessions?). Then SOM appears behind me, grabs my hand and brings me to a table where she is with 2 friends. We danced on stage for a while and she was just so gorgeous, I mean she just turned 20, the body of a queen, firm, strong, everything natural and well proportioned (I think she is about 5'6 or 5'7) and smelling fresh, long black hear, clear white skin and shy. I bought a couple drinks for her and her friends, then we went back to the hotel around 5 something and had an intense 2 hour session. No problems at all with her friends this time, they were just nice girls, did not try to go with me or anything.

Som is moaning softly, not like the usual fake "f. Me" you hear from the bar girls, and she would always put my hand back on her body, stuff like that, real GFE. In fact this AM I had to be at a meeting at 10AM, (with no sleep and I was still deaf from the club, wonder if my customer noticed it!). I get a taxi in front of the hotel and the driver speaks no English and does not know where the address is. Without hesitating she comes in the taxi with me on a 45 minute ride and makes sure he brings me to my destination, all while holding my hand and cuddling. It was so hard leaving her in the taxi. And I am sure it was another 45 minutes for her to go back to Sukhumvit where she lives. I gave her money for the ride of course.

Unfortunately she a) absolutely would not let me take any picture of any part of her body (I really insisted but no way, sorry guys and sorry for myself too because I really would have liked a souvenir picture of her, and be) she is leaving tonight to go visit her family in her province. I am going to have to find company tonight, will be hard to match but we never know.

[QUOTE=Nvslim;1171818]Nothing to do with the thread but with the photo. I have enjoyed your street photos for a while. One thing I have noticed is the short, stylish skirts and dresses the every day girls wear. Is this normal just in BKK, Pats and other major cities or country wide. I always thought Thailand was a more conservative country but from your photos it's quite western. Thanks, Slim[/QUOTE]A fashion question?

Bangkok is a cosmopolitan megalopolis. The weather is typically hot and humid, so women do not have to wear much to be considered "covered."

Thailand is a major world exporter of textiles and made to order clothing (especially to the US and Japan). There is an international fashion industry centered here.

One sees many styles of dress both in the daylight and nighttime hours. Some working women dress conservatively (e. g., bankers, teachers), while others (e. g., business women, self-employed professionals), are more fashion conscious. Where I live in the Silom CBD, you see a little bit of every style, including Patpong bargirls on their way to work.

In other parts of Thailand you will find a mix of styles. Everything from the conservative attire of Muslim women in the South, to coquettish, young, university girls in Chiang Mai and Khon Kaen. Most towns have discos and karaoke clubs where women dress up to go out. However, showing too much upper body skin, or nipple protrusions, can be a "no no" for good Thai girls.

In places such as Pattaya, Patong, Samui, and other areas that have "lady bars," you will find that women everywhere in much sexier attire, ("sl*t wear"), than in typical towns. Not surprisingly, most bargirls typically do "dress down" when they make the trip home to see the family.

Generally, most Thai people like to dress comfortably casual. This usually means short, a t-shirt, and flip flops. Of course, on a young Thai women, this in itself can be very sexy!

[QUOTE=Mahal;1171834].Unfortunately she a) absolutely would not let me take any picture of any part of her body (I really insisted but no way, sorry guys and sorry for myself too because I really would have liked a souvenir picture of her, .[/QUOTE]Pity. For us (and you!)

Did you try a picture at the club with all the gals. You and gals. Etc. So that at some point you have HER natural picture? .

[QUOTE=Kuratla; 1171806]Guess we'll find out tomorrow how Mahal made out.

Post a pic or two. I'm interested to see what a half-angel / half-virgin looks like. All that innocence must be sexy as hell![/QUOTE]Nice play on words.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1171834]Thank you Pipe Layer99, yes, I was kidding! Of course not moving to BKK but I did see her again last night.[/QUOTE]Glad you got to hook up again. Don't sweat it now that she is gone. There are plenty more available. Get out there and find your next sweetie. And please, save some for the rest of us. LOL. I won't be back for another 1. 5 months.

Ifyou travel there often you might see her again. You have her cell number.

I'm going to send you a PM with some info.

[QUOTE=Pipe Layer99; 1171888]Glad you got to hook up again. Don't sweat it now that she is gone. There are plenty more available. Get out there and find your next sweetie. And please, save some for the rest of us. LOL. I won't be back for another 1. 5 months.

Ifyou travel there often you might see her again. You have her cell number.

I'm going to send you a PM with some info.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely righ Pipe Layer99. As a matter of fact I am right now with NIP, #198 at Shark and she is a sweetheart. Recommended. Got to go, she is waiting in the bed!

[QUOTE=Pipe Layer99; 1171888]Glad you got to hook up again. Don't sweat it now that she is gone. There are plenty more available. Get out there and find your next sweetie. And please, save some for the rest of us. LOL. I won't be back for another 1. 5 months.

Ifyou travel there often you might see her again. You have her cell number.

I'm going to send you a PM with some info.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely righ Pipe Layer99. As a matter of fact I am right now seeking consolation from NIP, #198 at Shark and she is a sweetheart. Recommended. Got to go, she is waiting in the bed!

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1170435]For the sake of my knowledge, what's on next week?

I was surprised when my friend running a bar in Thailand told me that "iced tea" gives him high revenue!

Whilst in Europe alcohol based drinks generate much higher revenues than soft drinks.[/QUOTE]If you're in business your object should be profit margin, not gross revenues. Iced tea may deliver lower gross revenue (you don't charge 5 euros for a glass of tea) but much higher margin. Tea is cheap and water is practically free.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1171847]A fashion question?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. The women in your photos always look good. Nicely shaped legs with hair and make up applied.

For some reason, I thought the ladies would be more conservatively dressed, glad they are not.

Slim.

P. S.

I snip. ;)

I came across this report on Thai Visa. It's very disturbing; as if you lived here you would know it's so true!

[quote]Police Prepare For Election Day Expat Sobriety Riots.

Bangkok's alcoholic farang population 'unpredictable'

BANGKOK – Thailand's police have called up all reserve staff for a full show of force ahead of this weekend's election, as a precaution against unrest and violence from angry, sober alcoholic expatriates during the ban on alcohol sales.

The ban, in accordance with national election law, prohibits retail alcohol sales at stores, bars and restaurants from 6pm Saturday to midnight Sunday. The 36-hour period is traditionally a high-risk period in areas with high concentrations of expats, such as Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok and large swaths of Pattaya.

'Due to the importance of this election, we are taking no chances with expatriate sobriety-related violence, ' said a stern National Police Chief Police General Wichean Potphosri. He justified the deployment of over 20, 000 additional security officers nationwide as a necessary precaution against 'deranged, sober foreigners. '

Additionally, numerous bars and nightlife areas in Bangkok and other cities will be shut down altogether to avoid gatherings of large numbers of non-drunken expats. Wichean has launched a PR campaign encouraging them to stay home on Saturday night 'for once. '

Although large-scale rioting by un-intoxicated foreigners is rare, many previous Thai elections have seen small outbreaks of civil unrest, usually by expats who were unaware of the election at all and who reacted badly to being told that they can't have a drink at their favorite establishment.

'For many of these men. 36 hours without a drink and the company of a rented Asian female represents something unacceptable, terrifying even, ' said Noppawan Rangkulan, sociology professor at Thammasat University. 'Sobering up means becoming momentarily aware of their graying bodies and emotionally hollow lives. What we think of as an alcohol-free night represents an existential crisis for them. '

Noppawon claims this 'sobriety shock' is an actual medical pathology and recommends that hospitals offer free alcohol IV drips during the election weekend.

'Most expats are perfectly reasonable people, ' she said. 'The few deranged ones that end up yelling at waitresses at Irish pubs, they just need help. '

But according to Election Commission member Prapun Naigowit, much of the problem simply stems from a lack of communication. 'Many expats are so isolated from the realities of the country they live in that something as major as an election can slip under their radar, ' he explained. 'Those who prepare ahead of time can easily get through the weekend by having a case of beer and a few DVDs ready at home. '

The EC has launched an educational campaign by posting messages on Thaivisa. Com, reminding expatriates of the alcohol ban and suggesting that they host 'Election Parties' in their apartments.

Major grocery chains such as Tops have also joined in the campaign, touting 12-packs of Chang and Singha at their outlets with offers of free coolers as part of their 'Stay Home, Stay Wasted' promotion.

Although the EC is confident in their campaign, Noppawan still thinks that planning ahead simply goes against the mentality of the alcoholic in general, and the alcoholic expat in particular.

'The people likely to cause a stir on election day can't think three hours ahead, much less plan for a weekend, ' she said. 'You might as well ask your dog to feed himself while you're on vacation. '

- Notthenation. Com 2011-07-01[/quote]

Any bars, discos etc. Open tonight in BKK? Tomorrow? ?

[QUOTE=Oyster Lover; 1172101]I came across this report on Thai Visa. It's very disturbing; as if you lived here you would know it's so true!

Police Prepare For Election Day Expat Sobriety Riots.

Bangkok's alcoholic farang population 'unpredictable'

Major grocery chains such as Tops have also joined in the campaign, touting 12-packs of Chang and Singha at their outlets with offers of free coolers as part of their [b]'Stay Home, Stay Wasted'[/b] Promotion.[/QUOTE]LOL. Stay home, stay wasted!

Satire from "Not The Nation!"


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[QUOTE=Bkk247;1172126]Any bars, discos etc. Open tonight in BKK? Tomorrow? ?[/QUOTE]It is dead, absolutely nothing. I just went by Nana and nothing that stands out to take back to the hotel. I hope things open back up tommorow.

A. B

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1170917]For those Who do not know or did not get it Big Brother materializes under the form of a long haired lady sitting at a desk in the reception area, where she can have a strict surveillance on the old man.[/QUOTE]In this case, Big Brother is actually quite attractive.

[QUOTE=Harry Dude;1172234]In this case, Big Brother is actually quite attractive.[/QUOTE]You said that! (but I agree!)

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1171967]If you're in business your object should be profit margin, not gross revenues. Iced tea may deliver lower gross revenue (you don't charge 5 euros for a glass of tea) but much higher margin. Tea is cheap and water is practically free.[/QUOTE]Indeed I meant margin.

[QUOTE=Bkk247;1172126]Any bars, discos etc. Open tonight in BKK? Tomorrow? ?[/QUOTE]Sunday evening now. People drinking something making them hilarious from non-transparent paper cups in bars. From 7/11 you would have difficulties getting alcohol.

I am staying at Majestiic Suites Hotel window opposed to Nana. From noise I can predict not sleeping if not using some sort of anestetics. Maybe midnight hell brakes loose.

[QUOTE=White Whale; 1172477]Sunday evening now. People drinking something making them hilarious from non-transparent paper cups in bars. From 7/11 you would have difficulties getting alcohol.

I am staying at Majestiic Suites Hotel window opposed to Nana. From noise I can predict not sleeping if not using some sort of anestetics. Maybe midnight hell brakes loose.[/QUOTE]Just came from Nana, and all back to old self. Also went to Climax and it was dead but okay. Lots of easy pickings, although I went back to the hotels solo. Got to work tommorow.

A. B

I had tax-free Gin and made GTs in hotel room because of election ban. Turned out to be too much in too short time so I decided to sleep before going out again. I woke up 11pm and went to Nana still drunk. They had made early start for selling liquor again.

I needed to vaporize excess alcohol from my head so I walked around. A SW spotted me and begged to take her into my hotel. She was carrying newly made shoppings in paper and plastic bags. As we went to hotel staff was friendly to me and asked for an identification as is customary. Finally she found some photo copy paper seemed to be ok for staff. They had some discussion I thought about money so I asked should I pay extra but smiled and said no.

We went up to my room. She showered and came into bed. She was very skinny and extra jumpy. While I tried to warm her up she was constantly looking to the door and then she went to check it was really bolded. Finally we got to fucking part. She had loose pussy and ass was not tight either. Then strange part started. I gave her condom and I think she must have put it on wrong way. She had difficulties roll it up and it was slipping off. Despite that she desperately tried fuck me. Then catastroph happened. The condom slipped off and she put my bare dick into her pussy before I noticed. I reacted fast and pushed her away. I went to bathroom and dipped my dick into Listerine. Boy that hurt.

Then I said we should try to sleep. She continued trying to make horny and fucking even without protection. I stayed firm and finally she fell asleep. It was first time I put underwear on to protect myself. Usually girls do that. After two restless hours of sleep she woke up and tried same again. I turned my back to her and then she said she really have to go. I did not have any objections. I gave her agreed 1000THB. She tried to get extra 300THB tip but refused.

I walked her down to security guard and they had discussion. From discussion (in Thai. Don't understand Thai) coming in hotel and that one they had I got impression they wanted 300 from the girl. I did not care so I went back to my room. I had tried to check if she had any needle marks in her arm bend. Did not see any but she was so eager to leave 4am so she must have been on something or after it.

You are free to judge me. I am.

[QUOTE=White Whale;1172669]and dipped my dick into Listerine. Boy that hurt.[/QUOTE]Hilarious.

[QUOTE=White Whale;1172669]Then I said we should try to sleep. She continued trying to make horny and fucking even without protection. I stayed firm and finally she fell asleep. It was first time I put underwear on to protect myself. Usually girls do that.[/QUOTE]Dude, you sounded like my x-wife!

Nice humorous report. As far as the Listerine, I only take travel size bottles, so no dipping for me. BTW, did the girl as least appreciate the fresh aroma on your cock?

[QUOTE=White Whale; 1172669]Despite that she desperately tried fuck me. .

Then I said we should try to sleep. She continued trying to make horny and fucking even without protection. I stayed firm and finally she fell asleep. It was first time I put underwear on to protect myself. Usually girls do that. After two restless hours of sleep she woke up and tried same again. I turned my back to her and then she said she really have to go.[/QUOTE]LOL. This post makes me ask,"What do mongers really want?" You got some guys complaining when a woman is too shy, then you got others complaining when a woman is trying to fuck their brains out.

Hey guys, finally made it down here! I plan on giving full reports when I'm back home in a few weeks but right now just working off the iPhone. I was just wondering about the girls who work the street in Nana outside of the bars. One expat I shared a drink with told me that the younger looking ones were mostly scammers aimed at trapping you in a bad legal situation and to avoid them. I tried searching on this thread and read back 10 pages but couldn't find any mention of them. Stay away from these girls or anyone say otherwise? As always, the info on this site has been invaluable! Thanks guys!

[QUOTE=Deori;1173005]Hey guys, I was just wondering about the girls who work the street in Nana outside of the bars. One expat I shared a drink with told me that the younger looking ones were mostly scammers aimed at trapping you in a bad legal situation and to avoid them. I tried searching on this thread and read back 10 pages but couldn't find any mention of them. Stay away from these girls or anyone say otherwise? As always, the info on this site has been invaluable! Thanks guys![/QUOTE]Being alerted is always a good practice but I would not voucher the opinion of one single guy, unknown, maybe not sure about what he talks about. There are always urban legends with no proofs but word of mouth spreading. Just like lots of people always determine "this is a LB" and maybe they point a mother of two!

If what you mention on Nana would have a 10% chance of being real we had heard it here or on media.

It is true determining the real age of an Asian girl by looking at her is sometime a challenge. Works both ways: a 45yo can look 30 and a 15 in the odd hours of the night with some mental set up (mongering and horny status switched ON) can look as a nice wild 20yo. I am not saying it is not possible to involuntary take to bed a SYT FL of 17. But to combine this with a programmed scam is a chance if a million. For the regularity if the daily business, the local industry would also exclude (kick out) that sort if crime. Certain industries do not like to have much attention of LE monitoring crimes in the same area.

Do you think a heavy presence of pick pockets would live long in NEP? Soon it will be a deserted area and NEP bars empty.

No good! They would not be tolerated and soon "sent" away.

Read the Shangai forum about bar scams: all known and warnings are every few pages. : means they do exists.

Enjoy BKK, Nana and all the snouts.

And report back!

[quote=bionicman;1173077]being alerted is always a good practice but i would not voucher the opinion of one single guy, unknown, maybe not sure about what he talks about. there are always urban legends with no proofs but word of mouth spreading. just like lots of people always determine "this is a lb" and maybe they point a mother of two![/quote]i was definitely taking his advice with a grain of salt, i was more so asking about the sw situation here in general. i know they're not all ****. just wondering if it's a decent way to go or if the risk of drug use, disease, etc. outweighed the "value" factor they might represent or if you guys regularly pick up sws here. i was just down there sitting on the wall near hillary bar eating some fruit i'd gotten from one of the street carts and had two super goofy sws approach me individually. one had such a bad lazy eye i honestly didn't know she was talking to me at first. the other one i've seen down in the nana area any time i've been down there and she seems spun on something. there are some cuties down there too. thanks for the response!

[quote=deori;1173172]one had such a bad lazy eye i honestly didn't know she was talking to me at first. the other one i've seen down in the nana area any time i've been down there and she seems spun on something. there are some cuties down there too. thanks for the response![/quote]
after a session at annie's usually spend sometime in one of the bars drinking a coke and watching the humanity passing by (very interesting indeed).
one can also understsand what is going on, who are the regular etc...
never seen anything one would rate as critical.
not saying they aren't.
but trust me, **** offer would have been alerted here (unless sone is looking for it, but again. the majority aren't and so they would spot or be offered)
on the drug use, i think it can be as anyhwere, but by rtff nothing dramatic has been reported.
deseases? difficult to spot a regular fl from an occasional moving around not to be monitored.
i think you are over cautious in a way.
it is correct to have worries but do not overdo or you will not enjoy, take it easy.
another option is pick up girls from bars or go to saunas or mp's. you will not stabbed on the back.

[quote=deori;1173005]hey guys, finally made it down here! i plan on giving full reports when i'm back home in a few weeks but right now just working off the iphone. i was just wondering about the girls who work the street in nana outside of the bars. one expat i shared a drink with told me that the younger looking ones were mostly scammers aimed at trapping you in a bad legal situation and to avoid them. i tried searching on this thread and read back 10 pages but couldn't find any mention of them. stay away from these girls or anyone say otherwise? as always, the info on this site has been invaluable! thanks guys![/quote]i stayed at the dawin recently and when i arrived the lady behind the desk told me that they take the ids of all guest and they check to make sure they are not ****. i told her that i appreciated that, because i have no intention of ever taking an ****d girl. she said there are young girls who want to make money so they try to get customers. i don't know about scams, but if you get their i'd checked, i don't know how they could scam you. i don't know what happens if you go with them to a short time room. some one else may be able to comment on that. i would pass if i was in doubt. there are plenty of other girls.

Yeah my initial instinct would have been to chat up the street girls but that one expat made me pause. I went to Annie's the last two nights but tonight it was past 12, and I was a little too tired to try to chat up a bar girl. I actually find the gogos a little overwhelming and not really my scene and lots of the beer bar girls not too hot. I was walking trying to decide what to do when I happened upon Foon, working the street. Small and dark, just the way I like them. Quoted me 1000, I agreed. Passed by Annie's Do Do bar where I had been drinking and playing pool earlier and of course the girls I'd been hanging out with there were outside. Tried to give them a friendly nod but I got a little bit of a death stare I think LOL.

Foon said she was 28, she could have told me younger and I'd have believed her. Sweet girl, kind of fidgety, but not like she was on anything, maybe just nervous. Lots of quick, jerky movements, hard to explain beyond that but she delivered, good BBBJ, lots of DFK, and fucked like a champ. Afterwards she showered and I asked for the massage she had mentioned at the onset, she gave me a pretty good one. I ended up giving her 1200 in the end, she didn't even look at it. Decent English too. Kind of a funny chick but nothing wrong with her and a good deal in my book. She was in my room a total of about 2 hours but spent close to half of it in the bathroom I think. Showered twice then took a while doing her makeup and what not. So my first SW experience was a good one, I'd grab another! Cheers!

[quote=deori;1173005]hey guys, finally made it down here! i plan on giving full reports when i'm back home in a few weeks but right now just working off the iphone. i was just wondering about the girls who work the street in nana outside of the bars. one expat i shared a drink with told me that the younger looking ones were mostly scammers aimed at trapping you in a bad legal situation and to avoid them. i tried searching on this thread and read back 10 pages but couldn't find any mention of them. stay away from these girls or anyone say otherwise? as always, the info on this site has been invaluable! thanks guys![/quote]yes, i'd think it would be common sense to refrain from taking **** working girls, even if they're not trying to scam you.

are the "younger looking ones mostly scammers aimed at trapping you in a bad legal situation"? no, almost all of them are not too young or ****, even if at times they could pass for young teens.

are there illegal girls being offered on the street, bars, gogos, etc. yes.

check their i'd card or pass if you have any doubts.

about one month ago "on sukh between soi 3 and 5 was a very young & tiny cute girl with two lb's who told me she was 15 & available to go to a st hotel, with hotel being 300b. not being interested i didn't inquire further as to how much she was going for, although one of the lb's who claimed to be a lady wanted 1000b st."

Well I am in BKK.

Landed lunchtime, got a taxi to the Majestic Grand (THB 450) , checked in and headed off for a few beers, popped into Annies for my first ever soapy experience with a good girl called Lat, a throughly pleasant few hours indeed! I am just back at the hotel, will head out again in an hour or so.

I think this trip is going to be fun. Will keep you posted!