Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2863910]It is hit or miss. Sometimes, airline requires it. Sometimes they want to see return flight. Other times they say nothing. It varies so much on who is checking you in. I think the gate agents are not keeping up with the rules and who could blame them.

One time the check mig site was down, and I was at an American gate, and they handed me a piece of paper as an alternative. I cannot tell you how many times I have been told, "No, it has to be on line. ".

Bottom line is you fill it out, but chances are you will not be asked about it, but you never know. I think of my last four returns from Colombia, I was asked about it once. Again, you never know.[/QUOTE]I deleted my only Check mig bookmark and now I constantly get sent to a company who charges to use it. Is the free check mig site still available?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2864166]I deleted my only Check mig bookmark and now I constantly get sent to a company who charges to use it. Is the free check mig site still available?[/QUOTE]Yeah, this is it: [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/en[/URL].

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2864166]I deleted my only Check mig bookmark and now I constantly get sent to a company who charges to use it. Is the free check mig site still available?[/QUOTE]Here you go.

[URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/en[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2864038]You're saying foreigners can use Biomig now? Are you sure about that? That's the machine that scans your eyes right? I thought that was only available for Colombianos.[/QUOTE]Yes, Biomig was being used for everybody. I was in Terminal 1 at the A / be security entrance. There were no agent booths except for one to the side to handle particular problems. At the second gate, you scan your passport and your eyes.

Dear All.

Is there STD test that I can order online and then go to the lap do the test and they will send me the pdf report?

I have done that in the USA?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=DiverFiver;2864217]Yes, Biomig was being used for everybody. I was in Terminal 1 at the A / be security entrance. There were no agent booths except for one to the side to handle particular problems. At the second gate, you scan your passport and your eyes.[/QUOTE]It does not scan your eyes. It takes a picture of you and compares it to the picture in your passport. I am not able to use it because the picture in my passport is too dark, so the computer can not get a good scan of it in order to make the comparison.

There is lab on 19th st near SF if I remember correctly. I walked in and they did test and gave the results in 48 hours.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2864243]Dear All.

Is there STD test that I can order online and then go to the lap do the test and they will send me the pdf report?

I have done that in the USA?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]

This is right.

Check this page for details (in spanish):

[URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/entidad/biomig-para-extranjeros[/URL]

Currently only being used in El Dorado Airport (BOG) and will be rolled out to other airports in the future. No pre-registration needed, just walk up, place the passport in the scanner, look at the camera and you're done.

I will definitely be trying this on my next trip to Bogota!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2864251]It does not scan your eyes. It takes a picture of you and compares it to the picture in your passport. I am not able to use it because the picture in my passport is too dark, so the computer can not get a good scan of it in order to make the comparison.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2864251]It does not scan your eyes. It takes a picture of you and compares it to the picture in your passport. I am not able to use it because the picture in my passport is too dark, so the computer can not get a good scan of it in order to make the comparison.[/QUOTE]My bad on the terminology. Its a great improvement and eliminated my major complaint about visiting Bogot.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2864252]There is lab on 19th st near SF if I remember correctly. I walked in and they did test and gave the results in 48 hours.[/QUOTE]19th St and where abouts on 19 the.

I'll be in Bogata for a week November 1-7, hit me up if you want a wingman. It's my first time to Columbia, but not to game. I'the love to hear everyones recommendations on hotels, clubs and spas. PM me if you prefer not to post. Looks like I can figure out SF myself, it looks a little like Tijuana. I'll pass on my report after my trip. Cheers!

As mentioned before, I had a layover in Bogota overnight on a Sunday. My initial plan was to hangout with Woodman and we had discussed what would happen. Sadly due to elections that week, the clubs were closed and it didn't seem worth it to just walk the streets, so I pivoted to getting an agency girl to my hotel room. I spoke with the big 3, and the best experience I had was with Encounters VIP as the rates were good, and there was no introducction fee (La Celestina wanted to charge me 600.000 for an hour, half of which was for introduction).

The problem was that there were only 2 girls available late on a Sunday night, but I went forward with Andrea, a small body spinner type. Arranged for her to come to my room. The have a special where you request a girl for 2 hours, and you get an extra hour free. Sure why not.

[URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/escorts/andrea24[/URL]

She comes to my room a few minutes later than planned and initially I wasn't very into her face, but her body was slim and tiny and I was already commited. Honestly after 5 minutes of looking at her, I deducted that she was quite beautiful, but not a girl you would ever expect to be an escort. My spanish is bad and her english was bad, so we spoke in mostly broken sentences and google translate, but it was fine, as her personality and attitude were very good. One thing that was hilarious is that she brought one condom, which she could not stop laughing about. "Who brings 1 condom to a 3 hour date? So sshe had to Rappi (Uber basically) condoms from a drug store. That was quite funny to me. She mentioned that the first hour is typically talking and warming up, which I thoroughly enjoyed. This was a total GFE and we ended up talking about life and what-not. She also had no problem showing me picures of her life on her phone and talking about her cat that is basically a child.

The sex was pretty good, nothing super shocking, but as a provider she was quite solid, and the her small frame was fun to toss around. I probably would not go with her again, but that is more having sexual adhd than anything else.

All in, 700.000 for 3 hours of talking and sex is just an insane value.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2864383]This is right.

Check this page for details (in spanish):

[URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/entidad/biomig-para-extranjeros[/URL]

Currently only being used in El Dorado Airport (BOG) and will be rolled out to other airports in the future. No pre-registration needed, just walk up, place the passport in the scanner, look at the camera and you're done.

I will definitely be trying this on my next trip to Bogota![/QUOTE]So then who stamps your passport with the exit stamp?

I am active on CDMX SA and it has good variety. But it getting more and more expensive. So I am looking to Bogota. I have been to Bogota but never tried seeking.

How is the seeking for 18 to 20 year old petite students? What is the price range? Is it safe to take them to Airbnb, do and don'ts?

Please share your experiences.

I will be there mostly in the week of 6th Nov.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2864383]This is right.

Check this page for details (in spanish):

[URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/entidad/biomig-para-extranjeros[/URL]

Currently only being used in El Dorado Airport (BOG) and will be rolled out to other airports in the future. No pre-registration needed, just walk up, place the passport in the scanner, look at the camera and you're done.

I will definitely be trying this on my next trip to Bogota![/QUOTE]A little more info please. Is there a charge.

To use it and do you have to fill out a form in advance? I know I'm sick of the 90 minute wait to get thru customs in BOG and MDE. The 90 minutes is if I run to the Customs area. If I walked it would be worse.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2864945]A little more info please. Is there a charge.

To use it and do you have to fill out a form in advance? I know I'm sick of the 90 minute wait to get thru customs in BOG and MDE. The 90 minutes is if I run to the Customs area. If I walked it would be worse.[/QUOTE]John,

There is nothing to fill out and there is no charge. It was the only option as the booths are no longer there.

I did not speak to an agent, and my passport does not have an exit stamp. It took five minutes to be thru.

Customs and security. This was in BOG. Another post stated that it is not yet used in MDE.

According to that page, from the Colombian Government, there is no cost and no pre-registration to use the service. You literally just walk up.

"Costo.

Inicialmente será gratuita."

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2864945]A little more info please. Is there a charge.

To use it and do you have to fill out a form in advance? I know I'm sick of the 90 minute wait to get thru customs in BOG and MDE. The 90 minutes is if I run to the Customs area. If I walked it would be worse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2864166]I deleted my only Check mig bookmark and now I constantly get sent to a company who charges to use it. Is the free check mig site still available?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I just used the link I sent you from my phone. I was first off the airplane. Spirit asked for the checkmig. Customs did not, and I got through customs in less than 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=LonelyMan718;2864733]All in, 700.000 for 3 hours of talking and sex is just an insane value.[/QUOTE]Are you saying insane as in it is a ripoff, or insane as in you think you got a bargain?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2865020]Are you saying insane as in it is a ripoff, or insane as in you think you got a bargain?[/QUOTE]I'm not wise to Bogotá rates, but 185 USD for 3 hours of conversation and multiple rounds of sex is well worth it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2865020]Are you saying insane as in it is a ripoff, or insane as in you think you got a bargain?[/QUOTE]Why do you care about what he spent? To him, it was worth it, he enjoyed his time with the chick. You will say he was ripped off, but we all know you are a cheap mf when it comes to women.

In the stupid shit in medellin thread you posted about the 18 k ring, Tom Ford sunglasses, etc that you purchased. And guess what? You paid for that shit because you think it was worth it. You could easily buy Ray-Bans for under $100, or some no name sunglasses for even cheaper, but you preferred to splurge. Let the dude spend his hard earned money as he pleases!

[QUOTE=LonelyMan718;2865074]I'm not wise to Bogot rates, but 185 USD for 3 hours of conversation and multiple rounds of sex is well worth it.[/QUOTE]Holy shit! That's around 750 k pesos at the current exchange rate! For that amount I could get and all nighter with 2 hotties, lot's of tusi and booze!!

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2864754]I am active on CDMX SA and it has good variety. But it getting more and more expensive. So I am looking to Bogota. I have been to Bogota but never tried seeking.

How is the seeking for 18 to 20 year old petite students? What is the price range? Is it safe to take them to Airbnb, do and don'ts?

Please share your experiences.

I will be there mostly in the week of 6th Nov.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Question Sampeter, Is seeking really worth the bill a month cost? Can you share more details about it?

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2865104]Holy shit! That's around 750 k pesos at the current exchange rate! For that amount I could get and all nighter with 2 hotties, lot's of tusi and booze!![/QUOTE]For that amount Woodman could bang like 12-15 "street sweeties". So what? Everything is relative. The question you got to ask yourself is this. Would you be able to have a 3 HR (or longer) date with the same girl that he did for less than 700 mil? Or would you be able to have two all nighters with her + tusi and booze? If not, you can't tell him that he overpaid.

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2865104]Holy shit! That's around 750 k pesos at the current exchange rate! For that amount I could get and all nighter with 2 hotties, lot's of tusi and booze!![/QUOTE]I think it's quite simple. There are just people with different needs and with different money theu willing to pay for these needs. Someone thinks that they can eat home a made mealand pay 3 $ for it, and someone goes to a restaurant and pays 100 $ for the same thing. In their heads it sounds different in the head of the first person it sounds like stupidity to pay 100 $ for a meal. And in the head of the second person it sounds like I can afford and I feel good because in my home country I have to pay $500 for the same shit.

My personal experience tells me that if a girl asks for big $$ this does not guarantees that her service will be better, as a rule, it is worse. Due to the fact that she is a more experienced prostitute and knows how to get more money out of you, plus she maybe in better finance state and can afford to waite for a "fat client". Other girls can ask 10 times less. As a rool they are more fresh and fun, provide better sirvice, and willing to please you more. Promise to pay her a good tip in th ebegining and as a rull you get more fun compaired to experienced prostitutes who know how to manipulate a client like a small child. In addition, a * rubber doll is not as interesting as a fresh girl who is just starting her career.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2865091]Why do you care about what he spent? To him, it was worth it, he enjoyed his time with the chick.[/QUOTE]Seems you have a problem with reading comprehension. Or you have a problem imagining things that people did not say. Where did I say that I cared what he spent? I asked for clarification on what he was saying, none of that other stuff that you are talking about.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2865190]And in the head of the second person it sounds like I can afford and I feel good because in my home country I have to pay $500 for the same shit..[/QUOTE]Why do you never see people say they feel ripped off when something in their home country costs less?

[QUOTE=Igor54;2865190]...if a girl asks for big $$ this does not guarantees that her service will be better, as a rule, it is worse.[/QUOTE]I agree. With the caveat, that it applies mostly to freelancers. For employed girls (agency, casas, clubs) it's the business that sets the rates. Empleadas generally provide decent / steady service, are already somewhat vetted and have some work ethic. With freelancers you never know what you are paying for and what service might you receive, they have no accountability to anyone.

Police report google translation below. I had to follow through with how to make a police report in case I decide to live full time in Colombia.

Just remember that they return from lunch after 2 pm so expect to wait and bring a Spanish speaking friend to translate.

Mr. Xxxxx xxx identified with passport 0123456789 is presented, who states the following: By 10/02/2023 being approximately 7:30 pm, enter a Bar named "Venus Club*.

Located at the address Carrera 16 a # 23-43 I had a few drinks I even drank with the waiter named Luis who was.

Costeo and the dancer named "Paola of Venezuelan nationality and from there I don't remember anything else just being the.

21:00 that I am at a Transmilenio station and they had stolen me: 01 watch evaluated at $200,000, 400,000 in cash, 01 passport, my credit and debit cards, 01 Moto Android cell phone Evaluated at $800,000, 01 Bracelet evaluated $5,000. Asked. State where the events took place. Answer: Race 16 a # 23-43 Asked. State if you know, presume or suspect a specific person who committed the crime there.

I answer. From the waiter and the pole dancer. Asked. State if there are video cameras at the scene of the events or in its surroundings that have recorded what happened. I answer. I Don't Know. State if some type of weapon or / or forceful object was used for the commission of the crime. I answer. No, ma'am, I asked. State if any type of vehicle was used for the commission of the crime. I answer. No, ma'am, I asked. State if the facts he denounced resulted in any person being injured. I answer. No, ma'am. Asked. Manifest as soon as the stolen items are evaluated I answer: 01 watch evaluated at $200,000, 400,000 in cash, 01 passport, my credit and debit cards, 01 Moto Android cell phone Evaluated at $800,000, 01 Bracelet evaluated $5,000. Asked. State if you have anything to add to correct or amend this diligence. I don't answer, ma'am.

Or being another the object of this diligence, it is terminated and once read and approved it is signed as it seems by those who intervened in it. THE LAW WAS OBSERVED.

I am in Santa Fe and enjoying my street Colombianas and Venezolanas!! Just avoid Paola (long 2" nails) from Venus Club. She scopolamine my drink and enjoying her new Motorola android with his mesero cohort Luis!!

[QUOTE=Izl80;2865542]I am in Santa Fe and enjoying my street Colombianas and Venezolanas!! Just avoid Paola (long 2" nails) from Venus Club. She scopolamine my drink and enjoying her new Motorola android with his mesero cohort Luis!![/QUOTE]Or maybe do not drink!

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2864754]I am active on CDMX SA and it has good variety. But it getting more and more expensive. So I am looking to Bogota. I have been to Bogota but never tried seeking.

How is the seeking for 18 to 20 year old petite students? What is the price range? Is it safe to take them to Airbnb, do and don'ts?

Please share your experiences.

I will be there mostly in the week of 6th Nov.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I used hotels and never had a problem unlike Medellin. I have not used SA since 2021 but Bogota was my favorite city for it. Miamiboy has said 8 to 10 types cost way more than the $100 on average I was paying. Most women I had I would say were in their 20's, in the 7 to 8 range, with a 9 and 10 mixed in. Youngest I had was 19. We did it bare for $100. Multiple pops. Most women I did bare.

I would meet for coffee or a drink in the hotel and take them up that day. Almost all were spinner types. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2865587]I used hotels and never had a problem unlike Medellin. I have not used SA since 2021 but Bogota was my favorite city for it. Miamiboy has said 8 to 10 types cost way more than the $100 on average I was paying. Most women I had I would say were in their 20's, in the 7 to 8 range, with a 9 and 10 mixed in. Youngest I had was 19. We did it bare for $100. Multiple pops. Most women I did bare.

I would meet for coffee or a drink in the hotel and take them up that day. Almost all were spinner types. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Hey there Elvis. Might upgrade and actually start using my Seeking account. Was BB negotiated beforehand on WhatsApp or on your coffee / drink date before going up to the room. They didn't try to upcharge you for it from initial 100 offered. Thanks for the solid info. Cheers.

[QUOTE=LonelyMan718;2864733] I pivoted to getting an agency girl to my hotel room. I spoke with the big 3, and the best experience I had was with Encounters VIP as the rates were good, and there was no introducction fee (La Celestina wanted to charge me 600.000 for an hour, half of which was for introduction).

The problem was that there were only 2 girls available late on a Sunday night, but I went forward with Andrea, a small body spinner type. Arranged for her to come to my room. The have a special where you request a girl for 2 hours, and you get an extra hour free. Sure why not.

[URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/escorts/andrea24[/URL]


All in, 700.000 for 3 hours of talking and sex is just an insane value.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel, will check out the agency on my next trip. LaCelestina seems popular with locals, but pissed me off as well with their 'new client' charge, so never used them.

[QUOTE=Izl80;2865542]Police report google translation below. I had to follow through with how to make a police report in case I decide to live full time in Colombia.

Just remember that they return from lunch after 2 pm so expect to wait and bring a Spanish speaking friend to translate.[/QUOTE]Can you describe how she scopolamined you? I went with her last time I was in Bogota. I only drink water and put the cap back on the bottle after each sip but those girls can be sneaky.

They need to do some Makers Mark kind of wax seal to all beverages in Colombia. LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2865587]I used hotels and never had a problem unlike Medellin. I have not used SA since 2021 but Bogota was my favorite city for it. Miamiboy has said 8 to 10 types cost way more than the $100 on average I was paying. Most women I had I would say were in their 20's, in the 7 to 8 range, with a 9 and 10 mixed in. Youngest I had was 19. We did it bare for $100. Multiple pops. Most women I did bare.

I would meet for coffee or a drink in the hotel and take them up that day. Almost all were spinner types. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]What hotel you veteran would recommend to stay?

I prefer to stay in AirBnb as I plan to stay in Bogota for more than 2 weeks as a digital nomad.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2865903]What hotel you veteran would recommend to stay?

I prefer to stay in AirBnb as I plan to stay in Bogota for more than 2 weeks as a digital nomad.[/QUOTE]Don't know if you would want to do overnights but I would double check the guest policies with your airbnb hosts. You also will find decent hotels in Usaquen and Chapinero or Tesaquillo the safer neighborhoods comparable to airbnb prices and with fast wifi for work. Plus they all will most likely have safes in the room. Airbnbs no.

If you want there are also short term love motels around south Chapinero for great rates and decked out rooms. Trios allowed 3 hrs to 12 hrs.

Also Check the questions asked by people on the Hotels listings on booking or tripadvisor and there has usually been someome who has asked the hotels guest policies. If not email to ask. My two cents. Have a great time.

Hello fellas. First off, I want ask forgiveness for any mistakes I make when posting, as I'm obviously a newbie. I've been in Colombia for the past two months (mostly Bogota), and for my first post I'll report on two chicas I've seen in the past week here in Bogota.

Dayana.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/kennedy/promo-por-solo-esta-semana-no-te-lo-pierdas-ampid-xh5zg[/URL]

Found Dayana on photoprepagos. She's a Venezolana and listed as 20 yo, but I believe she told me she's actually 23. Small tits (maybe be cups), big ass, and a little bit of a gut. 6. 5 overall appearance IMO. She's one of the cheaper chicas you'll find online. Pretty easy to get ahold of, and was at my apartment within 2 hours. For domicilio, the rate was 160 mil for BBBJ, CFS, anal (didn't take her up on that), and CIM or COF. I paid an extra 80 mil to record the session. She came in a little on the shy side, but once we got to the BJ, she let loose (sloppy, deep, ball sucking, takes direction). Standard FS with cover, and when I THOUGHT I was about to cum, I pulled out to give her a facial. Turns out my timing was off, so she laid back on the edge of the bed and invited me to enter bare. I obliged, and went for another minute or two raw, then pulled out and gave her a facial. Afterwards, I gave her an extra 80 mil for the unplanned BBFS.

8/10 session on this one.

Photos 1-3 are Dayana.

Valentina.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/chapinero/jovencita-sumisa-con-cara-tierna-pervertida-y-estrechita-id-kjgjw[/URL]

Also found Valentina on photoprepagos. Around 23-24 years old and is a a sexy little spinner, no more than 5 ft. Pretty face and tight ass. Bubbly personality and has a pleaser attitude. I went to her apartment for this session, and the rate was 100 mil for hour + 40 mil BBBJ + 40 mil CIM + 120 mil to record the session. I was in the mood for a good BJ on this day, and she went for a solid 20 minutes without complaint. With the cover on, she then rode me for a bit, and then we went to k9. Finished off with CIM / COF.

Gringo approved 👌127998;.

Valentina pics 4-7.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2865770]Can you describe how she scopolamined you? I went with her last time I was in Bogota. I only drink water and put the cap back on the bottle after each sip but those girls can be sneaky.[/QUOTE]#1 don't do oral sex. They can put the drug in or around the pusy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2865207]Why do you never see people say they feel ripped off when something in their home country costs less?[/QUOTE]Not sure if I understand your logic. Could you you please explain or refrase your point.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2864983]Yeah, I just used the link I sent you from my phone. I was first off the airplane. Spirit asked for the checkmig. Customs did not, and I got through customs in less than 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]I did eventually find my old CM link and completed it. Just got back from Bog. Friday. Flew Latam nobody asked for CM outbound or on arrival in Bog. Go figure, is it required, No SE!

Since you can fill it out without cost, only takes a minute or two so I might as well continue to do it. My luck the first time I don't and I'll get hassled where is it.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2866206]Not sure if I understand your logic. Could you you please explain or refrase your point.[/QUOTE]In Colombia a taxi costs $5 for a 30 minute trip. When Colombians go to New York and are told by the taxi that a 30 minute trip will be $85, you do not hear them say what a rip off a New York taxi is and try to pay the taxi less because it costs less back home. When a New York person goes to Colombia where chicks cost $30 for 1 hour, he does not mind paying $80 for 1 hour since one hour costs $500 back home. In either case back home has nothing to do with anything, so why do people keep justifying paying more based on what something costs back home?

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2865770h]Can you describe how she scopolamined you? I went with her last time I was in Bogota. I only drink water and put the cap back on the bottle after each sip but those girls can be sneaky.[/QUOTE]Just heed Mr Enternational and do not drink and you should be OK!

Not from sucking titties.

Not from kissing.

Not from blowing powder as inhalant.

Not from absorption to skin.

Plain ole spiked drink that Paola poured!

[QUOTE=PineTree;2863785]I went to the website, [URL]https://www.vickyspa.com/[/URL], but nowhere did I see the location. Has anyone been to this place? Can I get at least an intersection if not the address for it?[/QUOTE]Vicky's spa is located at Cra. 49 be #103 be-78 (residential casa). I went a couple of weeks ago and saw Samantha. She's a thick MILF with big fake tits and a huge ass. She had a great attitude throughout. The massage portion left a little to be desired. It was neither a great therapeutic massage, nor very sensual. Wish she would pick one and be good at it. But as we got closer to the sex part of the session, she got a lot more touchy and it was great from that point on. BBBJ, CFS, CIM. Base rate 260 mil for the hour + 160 mil for BBBJ and CIM. Overall decent session, but I'll probably try a different chica in my next visit.

Pics attached.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2866206]Not sure if I understand your logic. Could you you please explain or refrase your point.[/QUOTE]I know what he meant. He means like if something costs more in Colombia than it does in the US why don't people complain that it's a ripoff. And a good example of this is listerine. If you have ever bought listerine at Exito you would know that it costs like twice what it should, it is a fucking ripoff. Also Old Spice deodorant as well. Luckily at D1 they sell knock off alternatives at a more reasonable price.

[QUOTE=Izl80;2866248]Just heed Mr Enternational and do not drink and you should be OK!

Not from sucking titties.

Not from kissing.

Not from blowing powder as inhalant.

Not from absorption to skin.

Plain ole spiked drink that Paola poured![/QUOTE]So the girl can apply drugs on her tits, pussy and lips?

So it sounds like I need to bought a chain and a lock from home depot and have all my stuff locked up in the closet and only have the agreed amount laid out.

Does it have precedence that the girls would go this far to steal money?

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2866289]So the girl can apply drugs on her tits, pussy and lips?

So it sounds like I need to bought a chain and a lock from home depot and have all my stuff locked up in the closet and only have the agreed amount laid out.

Does it have precedence that the girls would go this far to steal money?[/QUOTE]Just calm down-- So funny how many guys on here get there panties in a bunch.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2866289]So the girl can apply drugs on her tits, pussy and lips?

So it sounds like I need to bought a chain and a lock from home depot and have all my stuff locked up in the closet and only have the agreed amount laid out.

Does it have precedence that the girls would go this far to steal money?[/QUOTE]Empty your mailbox. I'll send you text.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2865722]Hey there Elvis. Might upgrade and actually start using my Seeking account. Was BB negotiated beforehand on WhatsApp or on your coffee / drink date before going up to the room. They didn't try to upcharge you for it from initial 100 offered. Thanks for the solid info. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I never negotiated it. If you act like you expect it, you will likely get it.

[QUOTE=PapiGringo;2866121]Dayana.
She came in a little on the shy side, but once we got to the BJ, she let loose[/QUOTE]Great reports. She sounds like a wild one. I think you got cheated a little bit though because the one guy that reviewed her on the site said she licked his ass real good too!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2866330]I never negotiated it. If you act like you expect it, you will likely get it.[/QUOTE]Well played Well said! Thanks! I have to experiment.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2866326]Empty your mailbox. I'll send you text.[/QUOTE]Please try again bro. I just deleted some messages.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2866330]I never negotiated it. If you act like you expect it, you will likely get it.[/QUOTE]What is the worst scenario when the girl refuses BBFS??

Did she yell at you and acted like super crazy??

I recalled I had incidents girls freaked out when the condom broke or I cum inside her instead of pulling out.

These girls yelled at me so badly and got me really traumatized.

I need to prepare for it. For what if she says NO??

I would rehearse in my head instead of frozen up at that moment.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2866297]Just calm down-- So funny how many guys on here get there panties in a bunch.[/QUOTE]Hi Dear Woodman 09.

I book a trip to Bogota Nov-18-2023 to Dec-09-2023.

I would like to explore Santa Fe street scene and if you do guided tour?

Would you send your whatsapp number or telegram to me on here?

I tried to pm you but it says your inbox is too full.

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2866385]Hi Dear Woodman 09.

I book a trip to Bogota Nov-18-2023 to Dec-09-2023.

I would like to explore Santa Fe street scene and if you do guided tour?

Would you send your whatsapp number or telegram to me on here?

I tried to pm you but it says your inbox is too full.

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Saturday would be a great day for a Santa Fe Experience- I just sent you a message-.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2866289]

So it sounds like I need to bought a chain and a lock from home depot and have all my stuff locked up in the closet and only have the agreed amount laid out.
[/QUOTE]Get a room with a lockbox, but make sure they bothered to bolt it down. I'm looking at you Hotel San Francisco de Asis LOL.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2866421]Get a room with a lockbox, but make sure they bothered to bolt it down. I'm looking at you Hotel San Francisco de Asis LOL.[/QUOTE]You can open with a wire hanger [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJwlhKxhOY[/URL].

THere is another type that is simalar that you can open with a hangar through the hole in back-.

While I will most certainly do the Woodman tour, I will probably stick to the internet for the most part. My question about good love motels with accessories. Hopefully one with a massage table. Names would be greatly appreciated. Sex stores also. Been to Colombia a few times but never Bogota because of the altitude. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Always willing to meet fellow hobbiest for a drink. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2866587]While I will most certainly do the Woodman tour, I will probably stick to the internet for the most part. My question about good love motels with accessories. Hopefully one with a massage table. Names would be greatly appreciated. Sex stores also. Been to Colombia a few times but never Bogota because of the altitude. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Always willing to meet fellow hobbiest for a drink. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Motel Tempation, Secret Motel, & Amarte Suite all in South Chapinero.

Have fun!

Hola PapiGringo.

Looks like Dayana has removed her number from her ad. Would you be able share it privately with me? Your report was very nice and I would love to meet Dayana. Not sure how to contact her now. Hence the request. Thanks.

[QUOTE=PapiGringo;2866121]Hello fellas. First off, I want ask forgiveness for any mistakes I make when posting, as I'm obviously a newbie. I've been in Colombia for the past two months (mostly Bogota), and for my first post I'll report on two chicas I've seen in the past week here in Bogota.

Dayana.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/kennedy/promo-por-solo-esta-semana-no-te-lo-pierdas-ampid-xh5zg[/URL]

Found Dayana on photoprepagos. She's a Venezolana and listed as 20 yo, but I believe she told me she's actually 23. Small tits (maybe be cups), big ass, and a little bit of a gut. 6. 5 overall appearance IMO. She's one of the cheaper chicas you'll find online. Pretty easy to get ahold of, and was at my apartment within 2 hours. For domicilio, the rate was 160 mil for BBBJ, CFS, anal (didn't take her up on that), and CIM or COF. I paid an extra 80 mil to record the session. She came in a little on the shy side, but once we got to the BJ, she let loose (sloppy, deep, ball sucking, takes direction). Standard FS with cover, and when I THOUGHT I was about to cum, I pulled out to give her a facial. Turns out my timing was off, so she laid back on the edge of the bed and invited me to enter bare. I obliged, and went for another minute or two raw, then pulled out and gave her a facial. Afterwards, I gave her an extra 80 mil for the unplanned BBFS.

8/10 session on this one.

Photos 1-3 are Dayana.

Valentina.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/chapinero/jovencita-sumisa-con-cara-tierna-pervertida-y-estrechita-id-kjgjw[/URL]

Also found Valentina on photoprepagos. Around 23-24 years old and is a a sexy little spinner, no more than 5 ft. Pretty face and tight ass. Bubbly personality and has a pleaser attitude. I went to her apartment for this session, and the rate was 100 mil for hour + 40 mil BBBJ + 40 mil CIM + 120 mil to record the session. I was in the mood for a good BJ on this day, and she went for a solid 20 minutes without complaint. With the cover on, she then rode me for a bit, and then we went to k9. Finished off with CIM / COF.

Gringo approved 👌127998;.

Valentina pics 4-7.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2866587]While I will most certainly do the Woodman tour, I will probably stick to the internet for the most part. My question about good love motels with accessories. Hopefully one with a massage table. Names would be greatly appreciated. Sex stores also. Been to Colombia a few times but never Bogota because of the altitude. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Always willing to meet fellow hobbiest for a drink. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can find sex stores in many shopping centers. I do believe there are some in the SF area too- Also some of the love motels have vibrators and other stuff for sale. In many of the love hotels there are sex chairs --They have massage tables at La Mezzanine probably other daytime places too-.

Bogotá is so great there are so many venues for hot girls-- Santa Fe, massage parlors, daytime casas, escorts-- Santa Fe is definitely a great part of the pussy puzzle.

*I don't know much about the MPs and escorts as I am busy with work and I live near Santa Fe and don't bother with those places anymore-- Santa Fe enough for me. I have many hot GF hookers there. But there definitely are so many other options and I'm sure it will be great as it has been recently for so many ISG guys-.

Glad to hear you are considering going to Santa Fe-- It is a must see in Bogotá and for all straight men to at least go once as it is a unique experience. *The Santa Fe experience is great even if you do not like SGs and stripclubs* it's great just to go girl watching especially with some buddies to drink beer, walk around and mac to all the hot girls at primetime. And the 7+ Stripclubs definitely have very hot girls too-- there are 7-8+ quality girls there and when you go at a good time and there are 2-3 hot strippers and lotsa naked girls doing lapdances-- it is intoxicating-- I love it.

Undoubtedly this post will be controversial and get some of the usual dickheads chiming in-- Go For it --LOL-- Have a Safe Flight!

On Tuesday at 10:15 pm, I grabbed at Uber to Santa Fe and landed in the North stroll. Lots of police and a decent number of girls were out. It was energetic and dirty. I did not feel unsafe while scoping chicas but I understand it's not for everyone.

I wasn't sure about pricing since I've read different accounts on the forum, so I went low. I offered two separate girls, North stroll, 40 k for 30 minutes. They balked at that offer and countered with 100 k, so I passed. I went to the South stroll and the selection was small and less desirable. Eventually making my way to Calle 21 and Cr 16, I found one for 40 k for 15 minutes. I was tired of looking and agreed. I guess I'll have to be a 15 min guy if I want the 40 k rate. The room was 10 k extra. I ordered an Uber from the room after we finished, and it was already in Santa Fe parked down the street. Chime in if you have a different take on street pricing here. I'm not a strip club guy.

[QUOTE=Trilon;2866921]On Tuesday at 10:15 pm, I grabbed at Uber to Santa Fe and landed in the North stroll. Lots of police and a decent number of girls were out. It was energetic and dirty. I did not feel unsafe while scoping chicas but I understand it's not for everyone.

I wasn't sure about pricing since I've read different accounts on the forum, so I went low. I offered two separate girls, North stroll, 40 k for 30 minutes. They balked at that offer and countered with 100 k, so I passed. I went to the South stroll and the selection was small and less desirable. Eventually making my way to Calle 21 and Cr 16, I found one for 40 k for 15 minutes. I was tired of looking and agreed. I guess I'll have to be a 15 min guy if I want the 40 k rate. The room was 10 k extra. I ordered an Uber from the room after we finished, and it was already in Santa Fe parked down the street. Chime in if you have a different take on street pricing here. I'm not a strip club guy.[/QUOTE]40 k is the going rate that is correct. 100 k is way too much. I suspect the reason they tried to rip you off is that you mentioned a specific amount of time. Next time just say "un ratico. " this is commonly 20 mins in Bogota santa fe. Some hoteles are more and some stupid ones are less. I recommend using the hotel known as 'El Tunel' on calle 23. I've never had them knock before I was finished.

[QUOTE=Trilon;2866921]I wasn't sure about pricing since I've read different accounts on the forum, so I went low. I offered two separate girls, North stroll, 40 k for 30 minutes. They balked at that offer and countered with 100 k, so I passed. I went to the South stroll and the selection was small and less desirable. Eventually making my way to Calle 21 and Cr 16, I found one for 40 k for 15 minutes. I was tired of looking and agreed. I guess I'll have to be a 15 min guy if I want the 40 k rate. The room was 10 k extra. I ordered an Uber from the room after we finished, and it was already in Santa Fe parked down the street. Chime in if you have a different take on street pricing here. I'm not a strip club guy.[/QUOTE]Although I have not personally been to Santa Fe, a chica who used work there until couple weeks ago told me the street rate is 60-70 mil for 15 min (and complained Medellin rates are too low and she's planning to go back to Bogota).

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2867232]Although I have not personally been to Santa Fe, a chica who used work there until couple weeks ago told me the street rate is 60-70 mil for 15 min (and complained Medellin rates are too low and she's planning to go back to Bogota).[/QUOTE]I was just fucking there in September and I paid 40 mil with multiple different Street girls in Santa Fe. Here is a picture of a vennie named Alejandra that I found on the corner of calle 23 and Carrera 15. She accepted 40 mil and we went to the tunnel and fucked for like 30 mins.

So please do tell us why are you spreading false information?

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2867232]Although I have not personally been to Santa Fe, a chica who used work there until couple weeks ago told me the street rate is 60-70 mil for 15 min (and complained Medellin rates are too low and she's planning to go back to Bogota).[/QUOTE]LOL. 18 years I have never paid that much.

In both early August and early October of this year, $40-50 k was the going rate for me and the girl paid the $10 k for the room out of that amount.

Now, one girl did explain to me that the time would be 20 minutes, it was actually about 17, and when the time hit, I wasn't ready, so I extended for an additional $40 k. In the end it was worth it, so keep that in mind if you prefer a longer time than just 15-20 minutes.

My favorite from last month straight up offered bareback, but told me it would be double, so $80 k and that if I didn't want to get the knock then for a little more, the room guy would let us stay till 40-45 minutes. Again, negotiate ahead of time, know what you prefer or are looking for and you won't be disappointed.

Love the Santa Fe roulette tables! Always a gamble, never know if you're getting a winner or not. There's a 50/50 chance it's going to be a great experience or a swing and a miss, either way a lot of fun!

Enjoy!!

[QUOTE=Trilon;2866921]On Tuesday at 10:15 pm, I grabbed at Uber to Santa Fe and landed in the North stroll. Lots of police and a decent number of girls were out. It was energetic and dirty. I did not feel unsafe while scoping chicas but I understand it's not for everyone.

I wasn't sure about pricing since I've read different accounts on the forum, so I went low. I offered two separate girls, North stroll, 40 k for 30 minutes. They balked at that offer and countered with 100 k, so I passed. I went to the South stroll and the selection was small and less desirable. Eventually making my way to Calle 21 and Cr 16, I found one for 40 k for 15 minutes. I was tired of looking and agreed. I guess I'll have to be a 15 min guy if I want the 40 k rate. The room was 10 k extra. I ordered an Uber from the room after we finished, and it was already in Santa Fe parked down the street. Chime in if you have a different take on street pricing here. I'm not a strip club guy.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for everyone's feedback.

Thursday, 9 pm. I had the Cabify drop me off South stroll Calle 19 and Cr 15 Bis. Only 20 seconds into my journey, I was surprised to immediately run into a Venny to my liking. I immediately used the phrase Gabacho said to use, "un ratico. " It worked. No further discussion needed. No fumbling with my horrible Spanish. 40 k plus 10 k for the room. After the session, I used Google Translate and asked her point blank how many minutes she was thinking when I asked for "un ratico. " She replied "media hora. " I'll play it safe and assume anything more than 20 is YMMV. She was definitely more eager to please than the previous girl, but I also kept my mouth shut as much as possible and thus the idiot level down. Afterwards, I hunted down The King Shawarma as was frequently mentioned here and it did not disappoint. It's on Cr 16 by the strip clubs. There were more and hotter chicas out than my Tuesday night visit. The vibe is still rough, but I suppose everything has its balance.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2867232]Although I have not personally been to Santa Fe, a chica who used work there until couple weeks ago told me the street rate is 60-70 mil for 15 min (and complained Medellin rates are too low and she's planning to go back to Bogota).[/QUOTE]Matter of fact back in 2021 in the pandemic days I was barebacking / creampieing alot of the girls that work in hotel J Vargas for 60 mil a pop. So agn please do enlighten us as to why you are saying 70 mil is the going rate for a normal covered rato?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2866243]In Colombia a taxi costs $5 for a 30 minute trip. When Colombians go to New York and are told by the taxi that a 30 minute trip will be $85, you do not hear them say what a rip off a New York taxi is and try to pay the taxi less because it costs less back home. When a New York person goes to Colombia where chicks cost $30 for 1 hour, he does not mind paying $80 for 1 hour since one hour costs $500 back home. In either case back home has nothing to do with anything, so why do people keep justifying paying more based on what something costs back home?[/QUOTE]You make a good point, but when you have a hottie in front of you and it's 80 bucks, most don't care. It means so little to me, unless I lived there, and then it would add up.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2867243]So please do tell us why are you spreading false information?[/QUOTE]Did I write I'm sure all girls charge that or that I've been personally? Like I mentioned in the original post that is what she told me and that's all, I have no way of verifying whether it is false or not. Maybe she personally gets those rates in SF or she was just lying.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2866382]What is the worst scenario when the girl refuses BBFS??[/QUOTE]What refusal? You put your dick in her pussy without one. Let her be the one to stop it and say we need a condom. What I found is most times the women will not say they need one.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2866382]Did she yell at you and acted like super crazy??

I recalled I had incidents girls freaked out when the condom broke or I cum inside her instead of pulling out.

These girls yelled at me so badly and got me really traumatized.[/QUOTE]Why would you care what a hooker thinks? Many if not most are fucking nuts. If you get a psycho hooker, you put your clothes on, throw money on the floor, leave and find one who is not fucking psycho.

I have been mostly in Bogota and Cartagena lately, and I have been pretty amazed by how many hotties I see in Bogota. I have never seen that many hotties in Cartagena.

I hung out in the Andino region for a while, had a great Korean meal at restaurant called Seoul. Days were filled with sun. Afternoons were filled with rain. The weather in Bogota literally changes hour by hour.

I drove to the country in the North. The natural beauty and simplest of foods were great again. I had a hot dog / sausage deal that was to die for. Thing is when you drive, it is like an hour to get the 20 miles you need to drive out of Bogota.

The traffic really thins out though when you hit the city of Chia. That is like where Bogota ends, and it is just not as congested. It seemed like there was a lot of cool things to do there, and Chia is very new with nice malls ETC. It was obvious to me this is the region where the city of Bogota will be expanding to.

The next city is Zipaquira, and to me as of now, this city is separate from Bogota / Chia even though it is not that far from Chia. I think it will be swallowed up by Bogota at some point. The big draw there is the tourist attraction of the salt cathedral, but I thought the valley the city is in is just amazing to see, and this was the first city where I tasted that amazing farm fresh Colombian food you do not get in the big cities. This city IMO is really worth seeing.

Bogota has not been overshopped like Medellin or Cartagena but you still see tourists. The Andino region is going to be swarming with foreigners. It is going to be much less in Chia and Zipaquira. It is 17 miles from Chia to the Andino region but during the day, it is an hour's drive. I think you could do it in half an hour at night with no traffic, but it might be hard to get women to come out there.

When we returned to the city, my gal and I strolled around Simon Bolivar park. That is a great place to take a woman if you need some fresh air and a break from the hustle and bustle of the city. It is like Bogota's version of Central Park.

Maybe the rain kept the pollution down but it seems like every time I return I like Bogota more and more. Thing is yes the women in Medellin are a little more attractive, but it is like comparing women from Miami to those in New York. If you could find equally attractive women in Miami and New York, wouldn't you want the women from New York for their intelligence and sophistication? Bogota is New York, and Medellin is Miami.

Bottom line is Bogota IMO is still the best city in the world to find a hot woman.

Customs on the way out has changed. They are trying to automate everything. I went in the biomig line. The facial recognition is not up to US Global Entry standards. I had to take my photo and scan my passport three times until I was let through. Maybe it will be faster now that I am in their system. Still, it seemed much faster than the conventional route. Mexico City and Cancun have had the biomig scanners as well. I know Medellin does as well. Thing is Bogota is really pushing it. They had like 20 or 30 scanners there. As of now, Biomig is not an option for entry at least for foreigners. I think Cartagena has only two scanners on arrival and one on departure.

Don Carlos said that half of Miami is in Medellin every weekend, and I can see why. Flights are cheap and relatively short to Colombia. Thing is I went through Lauderdale on the way there and Orlando on the way back. If you have a choice, I would recommend Orlando first, Miami second, and Lauderdale last. It is not just the airport. The customs people in Orlando are way nicer than the other two airports, and there is space. In Lauderdale, you are always on top of someone else.

I stopped by early Friday afternoon. A gentleman outside escorts you to the bar or spa. I chose the spa.

Three others were waiting on the couches. The lineup of about eight was immediately presented and I was happy with three of them. There are hotter girls in Santa Fe but not by a mile and I'm easy to please. I picked a slim cutie, early 20's, small rack but a plump ass I couldn't ignore. A bonus I spotted later was how cute and manicured her feet were. The rooms are indeed small but adequate. Before we started, she said it was 50 k for 30 minutes then showed me a laundry list of extras on her phone such as kissing breasts. I ignored the list and went with the standard service. I think BBBJ is included but I don't remember since I use a condom for everything. The session starts after she sanitizes your hands and johnson. She lightly moaned in every position which I know is an act but it helped with immersion. I imagined she was a young barista. I left a happy camper.

This was an eye-opener. Both strolls felt like a busy shopping mall. Customers of all ages, shapes and sizes were everywhere browsing the aisles of chicas. This was the most safe and relaxed I've felt here. It was almost festive. I picked a tall Venny who got me for 50 k plus 10 k for the room around Cr 15 above Calle 22. It's more than the standard 40 k but my body gave me the signal when I saw those legs.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2867412]Did I write I'm sure all girls charge that or that I've been personally? Like I mentioned in the original post that is what she told me and that's all, I have no way of verifying whether it is false or not. Maybe she personally gets those rates in SF or she was just lying.[/QUOTE]There are 40 mil girls but they are more average usually -- Sometimes you can find a hot new girl working cheaper-- The 40 mil price is going away though-- It's more like 50-60 for a lot of girls and the really hot ones can charge more and Get it-- But Of course thgere are ISG guys here with Super Game who get it for 20 or 30 mil or Less-- No Doubt-- LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2867412]Did I write I'm sure all girls charge that or that I've been personally? Like I mentioned in the original post that is what she told me and that's all, I have no way of verifying whether it is false or not. Maybe she personally gets those rates in SF or she was just lying.[/QUOTE]There are 40 mil girls but they are more average usually -- Sometimes you can find a hot new girl working cheaper-- The 40 mil price is going away though-- It's more like 50-60 for a lot of girls and the really hot ones can charge more and Get it-- But Of course thgere are ISG guys here with Super Game who get it for 20 or 30 mil or Less-- No Doubt-- LOL-.

I actually have a really hot Colombian MILF who I pay 25 mil for a GFE quickee-- She is a Nympho I guess.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2867558]There are 40 mil girls but they are more average usually -- Sometimes you can find a hot new girl working cheaper-- The 40 mil price is going away though-- It's more like 50-60 for a lot of girls and the really hot ones can charge more and Get it-- But Of course thgere are ISG guys here with Super Game who get it for 20 or 30 mil or Less-- No Doubt-- LOL-.

I actually have a really hot Colombian MILF who I pay 25 mil for a GFE quickee-- She is a Nympho I guess.[/QUOTE]The older hags over in la capuchina area charge like 25 k - 30 k. But they are nasty tho. I'm talking the area on Calle 18 between cra 13 and Avenida Caracas and also going east a block past cra 13. Those women are rough looking LOL. Some look like they are 60 year old grandmas LOL.

[QUOTE=Trilon;2867556]This was an eye-opener. Both strolls felt like a busy shopping mall. Customers of all ages, shapes and sizes were everywhere browsing the aisles of chicas. This was the most safe and relaxed I've felt here. It was almost festive. I picked a tall Venny who got me for 50 k plus 10 k for the room around Cr 15 above Calle 22. It's more than the standard 40 k but my body gave me the signal when I saw those legs.[/QUOTE]Friday Night Girlwatching at rushhour is Awesome-- I love seeing the Streetie Sweeties in daylight-- Intoxicating-- So Much Pussy. So little Time!!

As I said below the hotter girls will charge more-- And they get it-- A lot of times I will get a cheaper slutty girl that gets me going to drop a nice rusty load and the Viagra rush will make me bang another hotter girl for more-.

In the clubs I notice a lot of the girls will say 100 mil I have talked some down to 70-80. For my Birthday I banged the Hot Sara in Atonis-- She is a 20 yr old spinner who looks like Salma Hayek-- That was good even though it was all covered (not so important to me). I pulled her right off the stage she said she had some shows but I told her I was going to bang her first and we headed upstairs--it was 110 mil-- This girl loves sex.

In Troya, Paisas and Fiebre a lot of those girls start at 110-150 mil but some of the really hot ones will say 200 or more-.

IN Texas and California I have one hot slutty chic who I bang for 50 mil and it's all GFE-- but those clubs are the cheaper clubs there are more average girls in there but they do get some hot new girls sometimes-- Anyhow-- I hope to see why'all there sometime.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2867557]But Of course there are ISG guys here with Super Game who get it for 20 or 30 mil or Less-- No Doubt-- LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL indeed. It was funny to me how that worked. I would go to La Isla, and guys on here would say it was 300 k to go to a room, and when I went to La Isla that was the price I was quoted. The same thing held true with the casas and Santa Fe strip clubs. I would get the same quotes as everyone else.

Then you go to the street walkers where the prices vary and then all of a sudden all these guys on here were claiming to get rates like I had never heard been quoted. So I ask the local guys what the rates were, and they quoted the same prices as mine.

You really cannot lie that easily about some prices. If anyone says the got laid in La Isla for 150 k or Fiebre for 20 k, we would be like you are so full of shit, but say you got a street walker for 20 k, and it is not possible to know if they are really lying or not.

So to compensate, my rule of thumb with ISG was whenever you have a price guys on here can lie about, if you double it, that is likely what the going rate is.

Woodman is right. There are some premium girls. I just ran into one and she's the most attractive one I've sessioned with so far.

I wasn't expecting much for an early morning visit and it was starting to pan out that way as I made my way through the South stroll. Some girls were out but the traffic count was low. On Cr 15, above Calle 23, I spotted this mid 20's chica sitting in a chair inside an entryway and not looking at customers. She was well-groomed and when she looked up, she was a beauty. I greeted her and when she stood up I could see she took care of her body. She was definitely not a barrio girl. She was from Medellin and smelled great naked. I kept looking at her face during the session and she treated me like a lover. Before the session, I offered 50 k but she wanted 70 k plus 10 k for the room which I paid.

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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2867603]LOL indeed. It was funny to me how that worked. I would go to La Isla, and guys on here would say it was 300 k to go to a room, and when I went to La Isla that was the price I was quoted. The same thing held true with the casas and Santa Fe strip clubs. I would get the same quotes as everyone else.

Then you go to the street walkers where the prices vary and then all of a sudden all these guys on here were claiming to get rates like I had never heard been quoted. So I ask the local guys what the rates were, and they quoted the same prices as mine.

You really cannot lie that easily about some prices. If anyone says the got laid in La Isla for 150 k or Fiebre for 20 k, we would be like you are so full of shit, but say you got a street walker for 20 k, and it is not possible to know if they are really lying or not.

So to compensate, my rule of thumb with ISG was whenever you have a price guys on here can lie about, if you double it, that is likely what the going rate is.[/QUOTE]The Super Game Awesome ISGers are So Much Better than most here-- They Always pay Way less and They Know Everything-.

[QUOTE=Trilon;2867734]Woodman is right. There are some premium girls. I just ran into one and she's the most attractive one I've sessioned with so far.

I wasn't expecting much for an early morning visit and it was starting to pan out that way as I made my way through the South stroll. Some girls were out but the traffic count was low. On Cr 15, above Calle 23, I spotted this mid 20's chica sitting in a chair inside an entryway and not looking at customers. She was well-groomed and when she looked up, she was a beauty. I greeted her and when she stood up I could see she took care of her body. She was definitely not a barrio girl. She was from Medellin and smelled great naked. I kept looking at her face during the session and she treated me like a lover. Before the session, I offered 50 k but she wanted 70 k plus 10 k for the room which I paid.[/QUOTE]Yes-- You can find High Quality girls in Santa Fe-- There are many girls that only work daytime hours.

Pre Qualify for big dates away from Santa Fe, A good strategy is to find a Hot quality girl and do a session-- If it was good get her number and you can hopefully set up an outside date for a longer date.

[QUOTE=Trilon;2867734]Woodman is right. There are some premium girls. I just ran into one and she's the most attractive one I've sessioned with so far.

I wasn't expecting much for an early morning visit and it was starting to pan out that way as I made my way through the South stroll. Some girls were out but the traffic count was low. On Cr 15, above Calle 23, I spotted this mid 20's chica sitting in a chair inside an entryway and not looking at customers. She was well-groomed and when she looked up, she was a beauty. I greeted her and when she stood up I could see she took care of her body. She was definitely not a barrio girl. She was from Medellin and smelled great naked. I kept looking at her face during the session and she treated me like a lover. Before the session, I offered 50 k but she wanted 70 k plus 10 k for the room which I paid.[/QUOTE]Its not so much that they are premium girls like woodman suggests. It is in fact that they are charging you a gringo tax. I highly doubt that the the locals (the dudes you see on the motos) are paying 70 k. They are most likely to tell her 40 k and if she doesn't accept it the next one will.

If you are paying more than what a local Rolo would pay then this is a gringo tax not a premium. Unless if your paying more for extra services such as BBBJ or BBFS then that is OK to pay more for that. But if you are giving out an extra 30 k for no reason just because she says that's what she wants then you are encouraging her to charge more when you pay that.

Next time a girl tells you 70 k or 60 k tell her this: "no jodas siempre pago cuarenta mil" and move on to the next one.

Seeking has an option for premium subscription for $100/ month, is it some kind of penalty if I cancel before first 30 days?

I just want to try it first time, don't like commitments.

[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2867893]Seeking has an option for premium subscription for $100/ month, is it some kind of penalty if I cancel before first 30 days?

I just want to try it first time, don't like commitments.[/QUOTE]No, you can sign up for the month and then cancel so it does not reoccur.

[QUOTE=Trilon;2867533]I stopped by early Friday afternoon. A gentleman outside escorts you to the bar or spa. I chose the spa.

[/QUOTE]I really like the spa. Funny when I asked them about the bar that recently opened they were like they are not affiliated with us.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2867826]Its not so much that they are premium girls like woodman suggests. It is in fact that they are charging you a gringo tax. I highly doubt that the the locals (the dudes you see on the motos) are paying 70 k. They are most likely to tell her 40 k and if she doesn't accept it the next one will.

If you are paying more than what a local Rolo would pay then this is a gringo tax not a premium. Unless if your paying more for extra services such as BBBJ or BBFS then that is OK to pay more for that. But if you are giving out an extra 30 k for no reason just because she says that's what she wants then you are encouraging her to charge more when you pay that.

Next time a girl tells you 70 k or 60 k tell her this: "no jodas siempre pago cuarenta mil" and move on to the next one.[/QUOTE]"no jodas siempre pago cuarenta mil" - Doesn't always work-- just Seyin-- LOL -- But you probably have Way More Game than most here-- LOL.

Traveled South to North stroll Sunday 5 pm. Not busy or too slow. I thought I spotted a cutie on Cr 15 and Calle 23. I greeted her and offered 40 k. As she was countering my offer with 70 k, I noticed she didn't look as good up close. I didn't bother*using my newly learned catch phrase and declined. Found another going down Cr 16 from Calle 24. Greeted and offered 40 k for "un ratico. " She wanted 50 k. I remembered what Gabacho suggested and said, "siempre pago cuarenta. " She accepted. She was a Venny with a fantastic booty. The butts down here are nuts. They go from good to spectacular when the clothes come off. This is the first time I heard the knock during a session. We were already done so it didn't matter. I asked her with Google Translate how much time would I have left if we weren't done and she replied five minutes then started doing a funny impression of how rushed the sex gets.

[QUOTE=Trilon;2868160]Traveled South to North stroll Sunday 5 pm. Not busy or too slow. I thought I spotted a cutie on Cr 15 and Calle 23. I greeted her and offered 40 k. As she was countering my offer with 70 k, I noticed she didn't look as good up close. I didn't bother*using my newly learned catch phrase and declined. Found another going down Cr 16 from Calle 24. Greeted and offered 40 k for "un ratico. " She wanted 50 k. I remembered what Gabacho suggested and said, "siempre pago cuarenta. " She accepted. She was a Venny with a fantastic booty. The butts down here are nuts. They go from good to spectacular when the clothes come off. This is the first time I heard the knock during a session. We were already done so it didn't matter. I asked her with Google Translate how much time would I have left if we weren't done and she replied five minutes then started doing a funny impression of how rushed the sex gets.[/QUOTE]Here is a word of advice in such cases, you can counteroffer with you lower price and promise a tip that would match her initial offer should she perform well.

After my 1st glorious trip in June (for 3 nights, thank you Woodman) I'm finally getting enough time off & a decent flight price.

Bc of the late decision and holiday weekend, round trips with Delta are absurd. Luckily found a skiplagging deal for 1 way ticket to Cali and getting off at BOG for $230 ish and hopefully a sub $350 1 way return to USA with a budget airline. The key is to not check a bag & don't skiplag often, doesn't hurt to give airline a BS excuse so its in their official record in case you want to try it rarely in the future. I'd still have the budget airline flight booked as a return from BOG which should be fine for immigration / customs I believe.

I'm not a pro, and my Spanish is weak but anyone who wants to have a bro wingman for SF let me know. Last time I stayed in a nice Chapinero hotel, worked the spas and SF. I don't think I'll bother with Zona T this time, it was fun to experience but wasnt good to meet regular women. Clandestino Clubs I saw a pair of hot (possibly working) girls but I punked out.

I enjoyed Tantra especially as it was walking distance, but ID rather just go high volume on SF and stay at Hotel Tequendema or Ibis Museo, whichever is the "nicer" one that is girl friendly since there are 3 Eroticas Bogota girls I really want to splurge on, Danna Zara or Marce. Marce looks photoshopped to shit, so I'm hoping theyd give me more pics as a returning customer.

Would arrive Thanksgiving in afternoon or early eve. Atonis / Atunes and Troyas did me perfectly last time. At the A's I had 2 all natural pretty 8-8. 5's and at Troyas I had a 9 wet dream pornstar lookalike of Rebeca Linares. I also saw a small group of suprisingly Miami ready enhancement girls in those street parlors with the driveways, they appeared around 7 pm and disappeared by 8:30 pm.

I'd only have Thurs afternoon to Sun morning at latest, so my goal is 2 SF club girls a night & Eroticas girl during day.

Dear colleagues (brothers}

I am going to either Bogota or Medellin for 2-3 weeks for "workation" and planning to stay at airbnb (but not getting anyone to come in). I have a pretty limited Spanish and want to see girls (of course). I usually prefer to be able to take a shower (together is an option), and not rush (1 HR). Safety / walkability is important.

Would Chapinero have options to meet my needs within mostly walking distance? My preference would be either spa or an apartment. Is that area generally safe to stay? What are the ways to find the "good" resources? And, finally, do you feel that Bogota would make a better base for such a trip?

Thank you in advance.

Hi,

I met a girl in Bogota and I really like her. I wanted to fly her with me to Europe to travel around and site seeing. Does someone have any experience with that? Immigration? Overall ordeal?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Tumeric1;2868277]Dear colleagues (brothers}

I am going to either Bogota or Medellin for 2-3 weeks for "workation" and planning to stay at airbnb (but not getting anyone to come in). I have a pretty limited Spanish and want to see girls (of course). I usually prefer to be able to take a shower (together is an option), and not rush (1 HR). Safety / walkability is important.

Would Chapinero have options to meet my needs within mostly walking distance? My preference would be either spa or an apartment. Is that area generally safe to stay? What are the ways to find the "good" resources? And, finally, do you feel that Bogota would make a better base for such a trip?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Go to Medellin, hands down. Don't go to Bogota, too dangerous, they are kidnapping gringos by the dozens. Be safe.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2868379]Go to Medellin, hands down. Don't go to Bogota, too dangerous, they are kidnapping gringos by the dozens. Be safe.[/QUOTE]This is bullshit. He's just as likely to get kidnapped in Medellin or Cartagena as in Bogota. There is a lot more scoping incidents in Medellin as well too.

Whether or not he is a victim of crime will depend on the situations he puts himself in regardless of which city he goes to.

Both Bogota and Medellin have a lot to offer in terms of P4P it will come down to personal preference which one he prefers to go to. Me personally I live in Medellin and I prefer Medellin but I have a lot of contacts in Bogota too.

Bogotá is a lot bigger with more women available but in Medellin it's easier to find BBFS. And the paisas are the best women on Earth YMMV.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2868379]Go to Medellin, hands down. Don't go to Bogota, too dangerous, they are kidnapping gringos by the dozens. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Not hearing about all the kidnapping in Bogotá- - Although in MDE a Gringo was just stabbed to death the other day in hotel room by a girl who escaped-- and a few died by Scoping recently all in MDE -- Not sure where you get your info-- -- If you want to Risk your Life and Pay more go to Medellin-.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/fotos-y-video-en-un-hotel-del-poblado-encontraron-un-extranjero-muerto-con-heridas-de-armas-blanca/1523567/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tumeric1;2868277]Dear colleagues (brothers}

I am going to either Bogota or Medellin for 2-3 weeks for "workation" and planning to stay at airbnb (but not getting anyone to come in). I have a pretty limited Spanish and want to see girls (of course). I usually prefer to be able to take a shower (together is an option), and not rush (1 HR). Safety / walkability is important.

Would Chapinero have options to meet my needs within mostly walking distance? My preference would be either spa or an apartment. Is that area generally safe to stay? What are the ways to find the "good" resources? And, finally, do you feel that Bogota would make a better base for such a trip?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Many great Airbnb with restaurants and everything else in Chapinero-- -- It's very safe-- Not sure where LL#1 gets his info-- also consider downtown in Bacata building or around there- Museo Torre is a great building and many in that area-- near Downtown and Santa Fe RL area.

So many dead Gringos in Medellin -- Very dangerous Gringos are hunted there-.

Just search Bogotá Tourist deaths and then Medellin Tourist Deaths-- you shall see. Good luck.

Based on what you stated wanting safety / walkability, either one are fine. That said, Medellin El Poblado / Parque Lleras and Provenza district is much nicer, cleaner, definitely walkable and there are hundreds of girls out each night. They are not cheap, but with your preference for 1 HR visits, it will be less of an increase than going from a $40 k 20 minute chica in Santa Fe to $300 k Parque Lleras girl, because they always offered me at least 30-45 minutes up to a full hour plus for the same cost. Still, it's a marked increase from Medellin El Centro to Lleras / Provenza and similarly for Bogota Santa Fe.

Regarding danger, I had zero problems walking all over Bogota on either of the 2 trips I took (1 in August / 1 in October). That included areas all around Santa Fe, as well as by the presidential palace, plus up in Chapinero and Parque 93 areas. With limited Spanish, both cities will be more difficult than with Spanish, but there are gringo friendly chicas in both places. The key is to attempt to speak Spanish with them, chat them up a bit, and then if they have English skills, it will come out.

Best of luck deciding, either / both are great!

[QUOTE=Tumeric1;2868277]Dear colleagues (brothers}

I am going to either Bogota or Medellin for 2-3 weeks for "workation" and planning to stay at airbnb (but not getting anyone to come in). I have a pretty limited Spanish and want to see girls (of course). I usually prefer to be able to take a shower (together is an option), and not rush (1 HR). Safety / walkability is important.

Would Chapinero have options to meet my needs within mostly walking distance? My preference would be either spa or an apartment. Is that area generally safe to stay? What are the ways to find the "good" resources? And, finally, do you feel that Bogota would make a better base for such a trip?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]

The usual South to North stroll at 8 am. Sparse action but eventually found a Venny in the North. Usual 40 k plus 10 k room.

I wanted to change things up and try Tantra again at 1 pm but the gate was shut and locked. Nobody home. I guess you have to check if they are open on slow days. A rolo on a moto pulled up to encounter the same problem. I texted their Whatsapp on their website but got no reply. I enjoyed my first visit but decided to move on to lunch.

5 pm, Santa Fe. Found a Venny in the North stroll, Cr 16 and 23. She wanted 50 k but accepted 40 k after "siempre pago cuarenta. " During the session, after starting doggy, I noticed her pooper stank a bit. I should have told her but finished fast and left. With limited Spanish, I wanted to avoid prolonging the session. But, the exchange would have been a better story and I'm sure she would have wanted to know.

I saw better looking ones after I left so I should always finish my route first before picking unless I see a gem.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2829528]Visited Bogota in recent months and finally writing the trip report.

Been to Medellin and Cali on a regular basis but whatever reason, never been to Bogota so hope it helps any newbies.

Weather- Cloudy on most days but wasn't too bad. Just need a light jacket at night.

Airport- Official taxi line was insanely busy and ended up using the Uber. Read a few reports that Uber wasn't an option but they pick you up at departure area on the second floor and works very well.

North Clubs- Was highly disappointed. The price is high and girls do not look good at all. Most of clubs visited were empty and charged Heineken beer 60 k even menu shows 50 k. Just got the vibes that they wanted to upcharge the gringo so never session.

Mezzanine- Asking price 180-200 k with average looking girls. There is Dann Carlton hotel down the street and check out a massage parlor right across street which had some decent girls and cheaper at 150 k.

Abejitas- 190 k and only two girls available when visited. The girls were wearing professional massage uniforms which hide the body lines. Wouldn't recommend and place smell like vinegar.

Absolut spa- Was my favorite spot. The girls have silicone look similar to Loutron in Medellin. The price was 320 k or 350 k room with shower. Everything was covered and girls offer BBBJ for stupid extra money which I didn't partake.

Loutron- When visited in December, price was 370 k but now 450 K? Not sure if they are related to one in Medellin but the girls look horrible. Maybe it was too early in the afternoon but visited twice and the selection was bad both times.

Pussy House- Visited original location back in December and new location this time around. New location is very nice and spacious but hardly any girls are there. Visited Friday and Saturday night.

La Forty Nine- Apparently, the owner of this club went to prison so clubs is closed. There is a club right next door but it's not worthy.

Nanxing Spa- Very nice room with shower. There were many girls available but didn't see any stunners. The price is 330 k.

Divas Spa- 150 k and girls looked rough.

Sensity Spa- 200 k and many girls on line-up and they have more like next door look.

Santa Fe- Took me by surprise how good some girls looked in the clubs (again, l like silicone look). Did not partake in the street girls and just hung out in the clubs. Many advised that picking up the Uber is an issue later at night but didn't have much issue getting the ride back to the hotel which was located by Parque 93. Is this place kind of dodgy? Yes but not as bad as you think. Noticed it is bit of challenge to have the girls agree to BBBJ and CIM but kind of understand why since girls take many clients. And, saw some girls that I have been with other Colombian cities which was kind of funny.

Custom tailor suit- There are quite a few custom tailor suit stores in Parque 93 neighborhood and 3-piece suit cost around $600 USD which was amazing.

Final thought- Liked the city and felt safe just walking around. The city is very trendy and different vibe than Medellin. Just wish there were more options for nighttime since most of clubs in North have closed down. As other member mentioned, BBBJ not being standard service like Brazil is annoying. Would give the city another try but will need to search more for new places and options.[/QUOTE]Planning to visit Bogota again and night options were lacking since all northern clubs were closed.

Can anyone recommend high end places to visit night times?? Santa Fe is cool but it gets little old to visit each nights.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2868508]Planning to visit Bogota again and night options were lacking since all northern clubs were closed.

Can anyone recommend high end places to visit night times?? Santa Fe is cool but it gets little old to visit each nights.[/QUOTE]Last 2 trips to Bogota went to Lidos and a couple other clubs. The girl in Lidos are a notch above. Very expensive but I had fun.

Eroticasbogota had a couple nice girls.

Olimpio was soso but there are a couple cuties past midnight.

[QUOTE=Tumeric1;2868277]Dear colleagues (brothers}

I am going to either Bogota or Medellin for 2-3 weeks for "workation" and planning to stay at airbnb (but not getting anyone to come in). I have a pretty limited Spanish and want to see girls (of course). I usually prefer to be able to take a shower (together is an option), and not rush (1 HR). Safety / walkability is important.

Would Chapinero have options to meet my needs within mostly walking distance? My preference would be either spa or an apartment. Is that area generally safe to stay? What are the ways to find the "good" resources? And, finally, do you feel that Bogota would make a better base for such a trip?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]With women, it depends what you want. If you want to fuck the hottest hookers, I would say Medellin. If you want to fuck hot women that may be cultured and have character, then I would go with Bogota. I was more into sugar babies than hookers and found better in Bogota. I also think the women are less stuck up in Bogota.

Not sure if it matters to you, but you will hear tons of English in Medellin as it is filled with foreigners. Ironically, I thought Bogota had more women who could speak English.

Climate wise, Bogota is like New York in October. Medellin is like South Florida in the winter. Most people prefer Florida but a lot of people like that autumn feel.

Food wise, give me Bogota. Safety wise, I will take Bogota too.

Culturally, I think Bogota has more there and any big international act that is coming to Colombia will have a show in Bogota.

Medellin is easier to get around. But if you stay in the region near the Andino mall, it is relatively safe and you can walk to anywhere you need.

Bogota has a higher altitude and more pollution, so it is more likely to fuck with you health wise than Medellin. Sometimes I am fine when I go. Others, my nose is nonstop dripping or congested.

Bogota's airport is bigger and harder to get around in. Of course, it has way more flights. Medellin's airport is smaller and easier to manage but it is like a half hour at least from downtown.

On the shower thing, Colombians do not seem to put a high priority on hot water. IMO it is not a Bogota / Medellin thing. Any decent hotel will have hot water, but if you are going the apartment route, you want to look for one with a shower that has its own hot water heater. They run $20 to $40 and a lot of Airbnbs have learned to install them.

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2868387]This is bullshit. He's just as likely to get kidnapped in Medellin or Cartagena as in Bogota. There is a lot more scoping incidents in Medellin as well too.

Whether or not he is a victim of crime will depend on the situations he puts himself in regardless of which city he goes to.

Both Bogota and Medellin have a lot to offer in terms of P4P it will come down to personal preference which one he prefers to go to. Me personally I live in Medellin and I prefer Medellin but I have a lot of contacts in Bogota too.

Bogot is a lot bigger with more women available but in Medellin it's easier to find BBFS. And the paisas are the best women on Earth YMMV.[/QUOTE]At Gabacho.

When you say "in Medellin it's easier to find BBFS. " You mean on the street, online or clubs?

My data points for getting BBFS so far is only from using SA in USA Phoenix and Mexico CDMX and I always ask before the meeting and the hit rate is about 50 percent.

[QUOTE=IsaBahn;2868354]Hi,

I met a girl in Bogota and I really like her. I wanted to fly her with me to Europe to travel around and site seeing. Does someone have any experience with that? Immigration? Overall ordeal?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Colombian passport works in most of Europe. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Colombian_citizens[/URL]#text=Colombia%20 is%20 an%20 associated%20 member, no%20 requirement%20 other%20 than%20 nationality.

Be careful of the Mann Act and a charge of human trafficking: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act[/URL].

Keep in mind the optics. If you are in your 60's or over and she is in her 20's, then you need to be much more mindful if she is in your 30's and you are in your 40's. You can make a charge harder to stick by getting an untraceable gift card to pay for her ticket while using a VPN. You might want to buy separate hotel rooms the first night as well. If asked, you want to say you met in Europe. You should only travel with a woman you know well and trust.

Last I checked the UK was not allowing Colombians in visa free, so this has changed, but depending on your situation, that is one place in Europe I would prefer not to enter. I think in general Eastern European countries will be more tolerant than the Western ones.

From a companion POV, about half the women I asked on trips knew how to handle themselves. The airport rules you know and take for granted are often huge stumbling blocks for the women. The ones who knew how to handle themselves were great companions and trips with Colombian women were among the most fun things I ever have done in my life.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2868379]Go to Medellin, hands down. Don't go to Bogota, too dangerous, they are kidnapping gringos by the dozens. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Horrible advice. Bogota is far safer in the nicer areas than Medellin right now. Over the last two years, transnational gangs are targeting gringos for crime in Medellin. Both can still be wonderful but you have to watch yourself far more carefully in the hobby in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2868537]At Gabacho.

When you say "in Medellin it's easier to find BBFS. " You mean on the street, online or clubs?

My data points for getting BBFS so far is only from using SA in USA Phoenix and Mexico CDMX and I always ask before the meeting and the hit rate is about 50 percent.[/QUOTE]Street and online. Paisa women in particular seem more willing to do it in my experience. Not that vennies won't do it too but the paisas I feel are more open to it. I'd say off the top of my head it's more like 80% yes among the paisa chicas, in my experience.

I don't know much about clubs, casas, or spas.

Also asking before meeting isn't always the best path. I've had chicas tell me no before hand and then I agree to covered for a lower price but then once together in the room I ask again and it changes from no to yes.

They may tell you no upfront because they want to inspect your dick first before they say yes. Also if they are within listening range of any of their other friends they will be more inclined to say no than when they are alone as there tends to be a bad stigma attached to BBFS and they often don't want their friends to know that they do it, even though they mostly all do it at some point.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2868537]At Gabacho.

When you say "in Medellin it's easier to find BBFS. " You mean on the street, online or clubs?

My data points for getting BBFS so far is only from using SA in USA Phoenix and Mexico CDMX and I always ask before the meeting and the hit rate is about 50 percent.[/QUOTE]I only date Facebook girl while in Medellin, with true identity. Only BBFS for me, very safe since you have the girl info including friends and family. Facebook game is time consuming but it work good for me, I would not imagine that one day I would fuck the most beautiful women in earth (Paisa).

[QUOTE=IsaBahn;2868354]Hi,

I met a girl in Bogota and I really like her. I wanted to fly her with me to Europe to travel around and site seeing. Does someone have any experience with that? Immigration? Overall ordeal?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]By all means, avoid. Take a step back and reflect. A working girl unfortunately will remain a working girl and you will end up disappointed whatever you do. I went through this many times.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2868379]Go to Medellin, hands down. Don't go to Bogota, too dangerous, they are kidnapping gringos by the dozens. Be safe.[/QUOTE]The last time I was in Bogota everyone warned me how dangerous Medellin was.

When I arrived in Medellin everyone warned me how dangerous Bogota was.

I felt safe in both cities, just follow safe practices and don't draw attention to yourself.

[QUOTE=Giz99;2868656]The last time I was in Bogota everyone warned me how dangerous Medellin was.

When I arrived in Medellin everyone warned me how dangerous Bogota was.

I felt safe in both cities, just follow safe practices and don't draw attention to yourself.[/QUOTE]I have no allusions about Bogota being safe-- But it seems like most of the bodies are in Medellin-- Just from a quick glance at the new reports.

The chica volume was low as expected for a morning run, but the quality was pleasantly high. I was tempted by different chicas, but I remembered I promised myself to finish the entire route first. I'm glad I did. Near the end, I saw my favorite of the morning on Calle 24 near 16 Cr. She was a 20 year-old petite Venny with cute cheerleader looks. Exactly the type I aimed for this trip and had eluded me until now. I still had to walk a few more blocks to complete my route. She was still there when I returned, but I noticed her friend got snatched up already. It was 40 k plus 10 k for the room. During sex, she made grunting noises like it hurt but I figured it was part of the act. Before the knock even came, she said, "terminar. " I knew I had to finish fast. Just as she pulled away 15 seconds later to end the session, I finished just in time but it was close. The prettier ones must be more demanding. Despite the rushed ending, she made my day. The last few chicas were lackluster and this one reminded me of Santa Fe's potential.

Santa Fe (for curious fellow gringos) is a unique animal. The price is cheap (40 k + 10 k room), the women can be in abundance, and you only need to find one chica out of the many you will pass on. You do have to hunt them down, in-person, and not choose from the comfort of an online catalog or brothel couch. It's legwork and you need to vet each one you approach in an unsavory environment. I will say I had zero problems with the people that occupy Santa Fe. It's just a place where people converge to make a living. Nobody is out to "get you. " But, it's still the streets so you need to act accordingly. Practice and learn from your mistakes. I found the evening rush hour to be the least intimidating.

I'm planning a trip to Bogota in early to mid December, and the last time I was there I stayed at the Embassy Suites by Hilton. I would like to try something else, preferably a hotel (4 stars ish) closer to Santa Fe that is escort friendly. Any suggestions?

That you had no trouble with so many visits?

[QUOTE=TravelPunk2;2863312]I can't agree with this more. I understand people are on different budgets, but it's worth it to really think about what you're paying for. Get the cheap uber to eliminate risk. Pay a little bit more for creature comforts, for the things that save time or make things more convenient. Make it up by saving money elsewhere on your trip (food, souvenirs) or just save at home where you can track expenses easier.

Also, I would second that the club value here is excellent. I know my standards might be a little lower than some, but I always find someone in the clubs that I am into. Obviously body / face is important, but I also want to feel that chemistry and increase the chance of getting a good service / experience. I would take a 6/10 who is skilled and enjoying the session over a 10/10 who is just going through the motions and wants to get it over with as soon as possible. Any day of the week.

That being said, Bogota has something and someone for everyone. I've met people who love the street scene in SF, those who like the clubs, others like the Spas, and then people like me who would rather pay a little for for the Online girls (not Seeking, F that). I also don't really enjoy the loud music, the pushy touts, the dirty streets with sketchy people, etc. I was down last week, and every night doing call-ins at my hotel from encounters or Eroticabogota. Every single girl was fantastic, and the best part is I didn't have to roam around at night and worry about getting ripped off. Kept my valuables in the safe, briefcase / laptop in the closet just in case, but I trust the agencies up to a point that I'm not too worried about anything.

One specific example: I had a girl Cata from Encounters. Beautiful young girl next door type, looked like the type of you'd find on a college campus, 19, gorgeous smile, full GFE. I gave her 400 k for the 75 min, which included a tip because we went twice and went a little off-menu. I'd take that in a heartbeat over SF or the Clubs, but that's just me.

I will say, though, that I also enjoy Tantra specifically. After work or if I can get away for lunch, spending 100 k cop for a BBBJ DT with swallowing and getting in / out in 15 min is just a fun thing, and those girls are all experts at it, I've found.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trilon;2868726]Santa Fe (for curious fellow gringos) is a unique animal. The price is cheap (40 k + 10 k room), the women can be in abundance, and you only need to find one chica out of the many you will pass on. You do have to hunt them down, in-person, and not choose from the comfort of an online catalog or brothel couch. It's legwork and you need to vet each one you approach in an unsavory environment. I will say I had zero problems with the people that occupy Santa Fe. It's just a place where people converge to make a living. Nobody is out to "get you. " But, it's still the streets so you need to act accordingly. Practice and learn from your mistakes. I found the evening rush hour to be the least intimidating.[/QUOTE]Hate to bust your Colombia cherry but that price is not unique to Bogota or santa fe. 40 k plus the pieza (room) is standard price for street girls all across Colombia. Bogota (Santa Fe) Medellin (Plaza botero / Veracruz) Cali (El Obrero) Cucuta (La Séptima) (10 k cheaper there) and many other pueblos and towns in between. Glad I could help you out with the lingo. I highly recommend aprendiendo Español as the language will open many doors. Buena Suerte amigo why que LE vaya con Dios.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2868511]Last 2 trips to Bogota went to Lidos and a couple other clubs. The girl in Lidos are a notch above. Very expensive but I had fun.

Eroticasbogota had a couple nice girls.

Olimpio was soso but there are a couple cuties past midnight.[/QUOTE]Thanks for responding. Visited Lidos but it felt like I was getting scammed.

From the beer cost and girls were asking million peso which is like $250 USD.

I read the Google review of the place and it was nothing but bad reviews so never session there.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2868871]Thanks for responding. Visited Lidos but it felt like I was getting scammed.

From the beer cost and girls were asking million peso which is like $250 USD.

I read the Google review of the place and it was nothing but bad reviews so never session there.[/QUOTE]Yes it's quite expensive. I'm not denying the price. But each trip it's a must do for me. This is the only place that can have the absolute top notch quality girls. Absolute knockouts. I've gone and left empty handed a couple times since they charge so much the expectations are much higher.

I can also be happy with a girl from fiebre for 120 mil.

But the point is if you're going to party north even with the casas and spas prices will be significantly higher. And with lidos it's the only place that can justify this at times with the way the girls look.

Olimpio is ok. Girls quote 4-500 mil for takeout then the house fee.

[QUOTE=RealTmb1;2868764]I'm planning a trip to Bogota in early to mid December, and the last time I was there I stayed at the Embassy Suites by Hilton. I would like to try something else, preferably a hotel (4 stars ish) closer to Santa Fe that is escort friendly. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Teqendama Suites and not Teqendama Hotel-- It is a favorite of ISG guys and is less than 10 minute walk from SF.

[URL]https://www.hotelestequendama.com.co/es/tequendama-suites-bogota[/URL]

In Bogota, how are the women / pros on the street looking for clients? Are they more of a girlfriend experience with the time you are with them in the room or is it more of a transactional experience?

I kind of figured that the girl worked at a spa and wasn't independent and I was right.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/karina-tetona-natural-nueva-en-la-zona-multiorgasmica/24574592/[/URL]

Mizuki Spa comes up on google maps in the Normandia area of Engativa. I've been there before and it was good. This time is was twice as good because I asked Karina if she had a friend she like to work with. Both had big tits and not too much extra weight. They were really enthusiastic about DFK and BBJ. No lesbo action and sex was with condom. For the two of them it was 300 K for the hour, no shower on the premises unfortunately. I'm really impressed with the enthusiasm from spa girls in this area. I've also been to a couple down in Quinta Paredes which had some pretty girls but younger ones who are participate well enough but could be better.

I flew in to Bogota this past Saturday from medellin as I had a flight back to Florida from Bogota on Sunday. Headed down to santa fe around 9 hoping to find at least one pretty spinner.

Did my usual circuit of atonis, fiebre, troya and venus but nobody caught my eye. Did a lap around the blocks to see if any talent on the street but again nothing worth my time. Stayed around till 11 pm and just decided to go back to the hotel and call it a night. I am very picky and not looking just to do any girl, but just shows some times you go there and you see several girls that interest you and other times you go and nothing. Just part of the game.

My MSOG days are over but I only had a short time in Bogota so I tried again later that day.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/a-veces-lo-mas-productivos-que-puedes-hacer-esrelajarte/24416373/[/URL]

Jacky and a couple other girls work in a spa in Hayuelos but will also come to your hotel for 200 K. Jacky's photos make her look less portly than she is but she's still very pretty and the tits are for real. The ad says "No sex" but I'm not sure that's necessarily the case for the right customer. She came to my hotel at the time agreed dressed in a spa-like, almost hospital uniform. Nice, no fuss at the desk. She used the bathroom and came out in a sheer top with panties to my surprise. I remember some kind of massage going on for a while but before too long her top is off and she's trying to get me off with her tits, kissing me deeply, smiling broadly the whole time. Eventually I slid off the panties, the smile beaming up at me the whole time. For my session anyway, "no sex" still means deep, wet BBJ and DIY. The girl seemed hungry for it. This lovely girl realized I wasn't having an easy time of it and seemed to make it her mission to sacar todo de leche and she achieved in great style. Now if I could find a really short skinny one to play with us I'd be in heaven.

[QUOTE=Psychman;2868564]Horrible advice. Bogota is far safer in the nicer areas than Medellin right now. Over the last two years, transnational gangs are targeting gringos for crime in Medellin. Both can still be wonderful but you have to watch yourself far more carefully in the hobby in Medellin.[/QUOTE]But I'm not surprised it went over most guys heads. I have been a outspoken critic of guys coming to Bogota and overpaying and fucking up the system. Mostly newbies and guys branching out from Medellin, which I call Little Miami. You will hear more English in Medellin than you will ever hear in Bogota. And that's the way I like it. Natural Latinas that can't speak English and have not been corrupted by over paying gringos who don't know better. AND Before the, "they can pay what they want" blah blah blah it still ruins the very nice setup we have going in Bogota. I had 3 very hot, beautiful girls among my special long term relationships until some guy with more money than brains started paying these girls 300,400 and as much as 500 US Dollars for sex. I have enough money to pay that among my many trips per year to Bogota but you don't pay Vegas prices in Colombia. Can you pay Colombian prices in Vegas NO WAY so pay Colombian prices in Colombia and keep the paradise of Latina pussy intact. Ask Woodman what he thinks of guys paying 400,000 to a chic in SF and he would go nuts, it wouldn't take long to fuck up his deal. Be smart do in Rome as do the Romans.

If you didn't get it I can't explain it to you.

I spent some time in Colombia recently. Met up with Woodman and got the tour. Santa Fe is a massive red light district (RLD) with a bunch of women for super cheap. I banged 1 street girl and 1 club girl. My comparison comes from Tijuana's RLD. Tijuana is much smaller and has less street girls but the clubs are higher end inside. I had a good time and am glad I went. I will admit I love BBFS and none of the girls wanted to give it to me even when I offered double their price. I managed to get BBBJ and had to pay extra for it but its just not the same. I usually only use seeking nowadays. I paid 90 k for the street girl (rip off)? And 150 k for the club girl. I got the club girls IG and tried to get her to spend the night with me for 1 mil w / BBFS but she declined.

I would visit again forsure and actually enjoyed my time in Bogota. Now I should probably schedule an STD test soon.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2868930]In Bogota, how are the women / pros on the street looking for clients? Are they more of a girlfriend experience with the time you are with them in the room or is it more of a transactional experience?[/QUOTE]That depends on who you pick --I think it always depends on how you get along. You could be paying a lot more and have a 'transactional experience'.

I always want to talk to the girl and see how we get along-- I am leery of transactional experiences-.

This is why you should speak some Spanish-- you have to warm them up. What can you expect if you cannot communicate?

Sometimes girls are very quiet and I would take a chance and it turns out great-.

Anyhow Good Luck!!

IMO. Santa Fe is much more fun than Tijuana. Size and variety help it a lot. Tijuana does have a couple of cool clubs, but that is not enough to top Bogo for its combination of street and club scene.

IMO. ! As much as you might like BBFS, I would not. I don't think you could pay me to do BBFS in Santa Fe. You could not quantify the minutes of pleasure for the ages of uncertainty and possible illness. One Vennie street girl did kinda just say "You want to go raw" and in my mind's voice I was screaming "F! No! But I just politely said "No, it'd be better if I covered in case of a baby. " Don't know if she was offering it for free or fee as I just declined right away.

You paid more than me for street girls. I did 60 mil twice with the Vennie (aka 120 mil) and I think same or near for a Cali girl. Energy was different between the two. As much as the Cali had the body, the Vennie had the charm. Room rates vary.

You paid the same for the club girl. I went in hearing that girls were 100 mil from a reliable monger, but due to sound and beer and the general good time, I was propositioned 150 mil and accepted. That says to me there is a range in price if you're willing to negotiate and walk away. From my perspective though, well worth it. She kind, a bit of a rusher (due to it being in a club and the time constraints on the room), but natural round tits the size of honey dew melons (yes, natural! Slim body and a really nice ass. She reminded me of Czech erotic model (can't recall the name), but the Czech had fake tits. Otherwise, they could almost pass for twins.

[QUOTE=Clone8884;2869224]I spent some time in Colombia recently. Met up with Woodman and got the tour. Santa Fe is a massive red light district (RLD) with a bunch of women for super cheap. I banged 1 street girl and 1 club girl. My comparison comes from Tijuana's RLD. Tijuana is much smaller and has less street girls but the clubs are higher end inside. I had a good time and am glad I went. I will admit I love BBFS and none of the girls wanted to give it to me even when I offered double their price. I managed to get BBBJ and had to pay extra for it but its just not the same. I usually only use seeking nowadays. I paid 90 k for the street girl (rip off)? And 150 k for the club girl. I got the club girls IG and tried to get her to spend the night with me for 1 mil w / BBFS but she declined.

I would visit again forsure and actually enjoyed my time in Bogota. Now I should probably schedule an STD test soon.[/QUOTE]

How I got there:

I flew in from MDE to BOG on Wingo for about $30. After arriving at the airport I used Indriver to get from the upper level of the airport in front of door 9 to my Airbnb for $15 k COP.

Accommodations:

This time I opted to stay at an Airbnb which was located in a residential apartment building off of Calle 26 and Avenida Caracas. The apartment was very nice with a full kitchen, washing machine, large bed, 2 smart TVs, blazing fast Wi-Fi, comfortable couch and a spectacular view of the other buildings and the surrounding area. The building itself did have a portero that had to buzz me in and out whenever I was coming or going but he was there 24/7. This particular Airbnb had a strict "no prostitution" policy so I didn't bother bringing back any girls to my place I just walked the 5 mins to Santa Fe to do all my deeds. I was out one night as late as 10 pm and didn't have any problems. My Airbnb was closer to Santa Fe than Tequendama Suites and probably nicer too.

Who I fucked and what it costed me:

All in all I barebacked 5 new street girls all of which I found in Santa Fe. All 5 were Venezuelans (I know, I know, I sound like a hypocrite; to clarify I never said not to fuck them I just said to be extra cautious when dealing with them). I paid them between 80 mil and 120 mil for each BBFS cip session that I had. I know this is double to triple the going rate for covered condom sex but I am just not a condom kind of guy. I prefer to pay a little more to be able to actually enjoy the sex and I always cum inside them too. (no worries I have a vasectomy). Also the one that was 120 mil was for one hour not the normal 20 mins.

Where I ate:

I ordered most my food from Rappi this time around as it was super convenient to have food delivered to the Airbnb. Although one morning I did go hit up one of my old favorite places for Caldo de Costilla on Cra 13. I also got some groceries at D1 and did some of my own cooking mainly breakfast.

Non mongering activities:

I purchased a new TuLlave card (my old one was from 2018 and no longer works) and started learning the Transmilenio and SITP bus systems. The route D20 of transmilenio goes from Molinos in the south up to Calle 26 and Ave Caracas where I got off at. Also I took the SITP route of 112 B from Carrera 10 and Calle 24 up to Avenida Boyaca to go buy a thermometer for my apartment in Medellin so now I can see exactly what temperature it is in here.

Weather:

The weather was noticeable cooler than Medellin but not so cold as to need a heater I was fine with the provided blankets from the Airbnb. It didn't rain much either while I was there, in fact since I got back to Medellíand this morning it had been raining alot more here.

Getting back:

I actually took the bus back to Medellin which was about 11 hours on a Bolivariano Express bus and costed me $102 k COP. I opted for the bus over the airplane because I was worried that the airport security may have tried to confiscate my new thermometer as I only had a carry-on. I tried calling the airport and they wouldn't give me a straight answer so I played it by ear and took the bus back.

Conclusion:

Bogota and Santa Fe in particular has alot to offer. While normal going rates are about 40 k COP for 80 k - 120 k COP many girls are willing to do BBFS and cip. The city itself is big and spread out and the transmilenio and SITP bus systems are alot more complicated than the metro and metro cable system in Medellin.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Clone8884;2869224]I will admit I love BBFS and none of the girls wanted to give it to me even when I offered double their price. I managed to get BBBJ and had to pay extra for it but its just not the same. I usually only use seeking nowadays. I paid 90 k for the street girl (rip off)? And 150 k for the club girl. I got the club girls IG and tried to get her to spend the night with me for 1 mil w / BBFS but she declined.[/QUOTE]Woodman made a good point about chemistry. When I was with him, he was chatting up a girl with a nice set of tits and she started making out with me and let me feel her up. It was good of him to show me that was possible.

Thing is like you I offered more for BBFS too. I could get the BBBJ with a little more $ and could get some DFK without more $. Only time I got BBFS was with a girl I saw three times. The last time she let me put it in raw. Outside of that, the only BBFS I got in Bogota was off of seeking where it was more the rule than the exception.

Bogota good for New years Eve? Can't afford rio this year.

I believe it's calle 16 in Santa Fe Bogota where there's a lot of strip clubs. Are there normally a lot of taxis there or should I get an Uber? I'm staying in an Airbnb literary a couple of blocks away from the strip clubs but I keep reading not to walk at night in that neighborhood. Thanks in advance.

Hey all.

So, a relatively last minute Christmas trip is on the cards for me. Looking at flights to my preferred destinations it looks like Bogota is the winner by a mile. I'll probably go anyway, if for no reason other to get out of the frigid hellhole or rural Saskatchewan for a week! However, it would be good to know the general chica situation for the week between Christmas and New Years. I know there will be a drastic reduction in chicas, but there will still be a good selection for daily pipe cleaning, right?

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2869755]Hey all.

So, a relatively last minute Christmas trip is on the cards for me. Looking at flights to my preferred destinations it looks like Bogota is the winner by a mile. I'll probably go anyway, if for no reason other to get out of the frigid hellhole or rural Saskatchewan for a week! However, it would be good to know the general chica situation for the week between Christmas and New Years. I know there will be a drastic reduction in chicas, but there will still be a good selection for daily pipe cleaning, right?[/QUOTE]I heard that Canadians have to pay an entrance fee now upon arrival. Not sure how much it is though.

I understand that there are strip clubs in Santa Fe, but are there any burdels / prostíbulos / salas de masajes? I can't find any online in the Santa Fe neighborhood. Strip club can be too noisy for me and street girls you run a chance of their ass smelling when you have them doggy style.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2869755]Hey all.

So, a relatively last minute Christmas trip is on the cards for me. Looking at flights to my preferred destinations it looks like Bogota is the winner by a mile. I'll probably go anyway, if for no reason other to get out of the frigid hellhole or rural Saskatchewan for a week! However, it would be good to know the general chica situation for the week between Christmas and New Years. I know there will be a drastic reduction in chicas, but there will still be a good selection for daily pipe cleaning, right?[/QUOTE]Better check the weather in Bogota. You're going to be surprised and the temperatures are pretty consistent all year round.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2869461]Woodman made a good point about chemistry. When I was with him, he was chatting up a girl with a nice set of tits and she started making out with me and let me feel her up. It was good of him to show me that was possible.

Thing is like you I offered more for BBFS too. I could get the BBBJ with a little more $ and could get some DFK without more $. Only time I got BBFS was with a girl I saw three times. The last time she let me put it in raw. Outside of that, the only BBFS I got in Bogota was off of seeking where it was more the rule than the exception.[/QUOTE]This year I have gotten BBFS at Fiebre with 3 different girls and 1 at Troya. All first time meeting and 150 mil to 200 mil. Probably 50% rate, but I don't go that often so maybe just super good luck. Never with the ones on the street though. In the Chapinero casas / Tantra it was probably 25% success rate.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2869779]I understand that there are strip clubs in Santa Fe, but are there any burdels / prostbulos / salas de masajes? I can't find any online in the Santa Fe neighborhood. Strip club can be too noisy for me and street girls you run a chance of their ass smelling when you have them doggy style.[/QUOTE]Atunes is a daytime club but no loud music-- a Business man's place closes at 9. Usually a lot of girls in the afternoon. Cra 16 a and Calle 23.

Respect for their pussies. LOL- I have banged a lot of SGs and not had an odor problem in yrs -- YMMV.

I'm in troya right now and to me its the best club; opens early, large, well lighted more girls than other clubs (5 to 10/10). Only prblm is internet connection; next is fiebre sex; not many girls before 10 pm.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2870009]I'm in troya right now and to me its the best club; opens early, large, well lighted more girls than other clubs (5 to 10/10). Only prblm is internet connection; next is fiebre sex; not many girls before 10 pm.[/QUOTE]I notice a lot of times I walk in with a few guys and a bunch of girls will suddenly walk down-- They are watching the CC TV.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2869755]Hey all.

So, a relatively last minute Christmas trip is on the cards for me. Looking at flights to my preferred destinations it looks like Bogota is the winner by a mile. I'll probably go anyway, if for no reason other to get out of the frigid hellhole or rural Saskatchewan for a week! However, it would be good to know the general chica situation for the week between Christmas and New Years. I know there will be a drastic reduction in chicas, but there will still be a good selection for daily pipe cleaning, right?[/QUOTE]The week from Christmas Eve to New year is always slow. Most people including the girls will be few and far between. A lot of girls are in Bogota to work or because they are students and will go back to their home town. Not sure about SF but I would assume only the hard core prepagos will be available. I did Christmas twice once in CR and once in Colombia but always with a girl I was in a serious relationship with. I would recommend you have a sure thing lined up or you might find yourself roaming around a very quiet city by yourself. Better you get a date you like and hit the beach for 3 or 4 days like mot Bogotanos do. Be prepared for higher prices for everything including airfare. If you go let us know how it went.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2870024]I notice a lot of times I walk in with a few guys and a bunch of girls will suddenly walk down-- They are watching the CC TV.[/QUOTE]Oddily I don't get connection with my US TMOBILE phone althogh I have the 30 days international pass. However my colombian "pay as you go" phone works great in TROYA.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2870073]The week from Christmas Eve to New year is always slow. Most people including the girls will be few and far between. A lot of girls are in Bogota to work or because they are students and will go back to their home town. Not sure about SF but I would assume only the hard core prepagos will be available. I did Christmas twice once in CR and once in Colombia but always with a girl I was in a serious relationship with. I would recommend you have a sure thing lined up or you might find yourself roaming around a very quiet city by yourself. Better you get a date you like and hit the beach for 3 or 4 days like mot Bogotanos do. Be prepared for higher prices for everything including airfare. If you go let us know how it went.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input. Would MDE be a better option. It is $200 more (and more awkward connecting flights) but I could also make it to MDE fairly easy enough.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2870323]Thanks for your input. Would MDE be a better option. It is $200 more (and more awkward connecting flights) but I could also make it to MDE fairly easy enough.[/QUOTE]Just fly to Bogota as why were already planning and then if you want to book a flight to Medellin from there it's $30 not $200 and there are flights literally like every hour.

Went to Cali last Christmas season, was there for 10 days through the 27th, and crazily enough, Bar La Veinte (la 20) was open for about 3-4 hours on Christmas Day!! And most places were open the day before / day after as well. Plus there's a lot going on at that time as there's the salsa festival that spans several days, lots to see and do. Had some awesome food at some great restaurants too.

No experience with Bogota or Medellin over Christmas, so can't give you any info there.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2870323]Thanks for your input. Would MDE be a better option. It is $200 more (and more awkward connecting flights) but I could also make it to MDE fairly easy enough.[/QUOTE]

I'm planning my first trip to Colombia. Nothing in stone but planning to stay a week in Bogota next month, maybe more. Anyone could point me to a cute GFE rola who also hang out and serve as a guide? Show me around town, take me to various neighborhoods, point me to interesting eating establishments, local foods, maybe even bring a friend over for threesome, and wouldn't feed me scolopomine LOL.

Maybe a student or a former student that works on the side. Someone that wouldn't feel foreign in the art museum is a plus. I'd be working some nights but my days and weekends should be free.

I'm pretty well versed on most things Brazil, including off the beaten path but this would be my first time in Colombia. I'd really appreciate the lead. I speak good Portuguese and passable Spanish. PM please.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2870323]Thanks for your input. Would MDE be a better option. It is $200 more (and more awkward connecting flights) but I could also make it to MDE fairly easy enough.[/QUOTE]I don't think it would change anything much. The city and for that matter most if not all South / Central America is pretty much the same unless it's in a beach town. If I had to go on that week because of the only time you can get off work. I 'd go to a beach town and enjoy the seafood and beer and kick back without any expectations. Just go with the flow and use the 5 ft rule, strike up a conversation any Latina in range. Latins are a very helpful people. Be honest, ask for their help. I'm on vacation my x bailed on me so here I am alone would you recommend a place for dinner. Drinks blah blah blah You would be surprised how many chic's would volunteer to go out to lunch dinner with you. But use your game, unless you look like Quasimodo you just might move out a non pro or a prepago on vacation herself. Happy hunting.

Any tips to avoid getting mugged while strolling for prostitutes? Nothing ruins your mood worse.

Someone mentioned that he got tailored suit done.

Where can I get this done and how long it takes?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2870892]Someone mentioned that he got tailored suit done.

Where can I get this done and how long it takes?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Downtown are many shops and I think in the Hotel Teqendama shopping center too-.

I heard on social media that a group called "Tren de Aragua" had made Santa Fe in Bogota dangerous. Has anyone had any experience with them there?

Looking at your posts I see you have visited Monterrey and Tijuana. Were you as concerned there that the CJNG or the Northeast / Zetas cartel would impact you even when the entire city of Tijuana has been placed in lockdown and people have been gunned down in Monterrey from these groups and Bogota has not? Did it concern you and place you on heightened alertness knowing the cuantos guys are literally right outside HK in Tijuana and a target for any group wanting to get in there or that the manager of HK was gunned down presumably from some organization for not doing something?? I think that will answer your question about Tren de Aragua in Colombia. I'm sure you were fine visiting HK and checking out the SG's. But on the flip side if it's going to ruin your trip being stressed about this then maybe the red light area of Santa Fe is not for you and it'll be nicer to have escorts come to your room. Santa Fe is a bit gritty which can make some people feel edgy. If that happens to be you then just stick with the clubs. Troya, fiebre, paisas, etc then take a cab or Uber back to your room once you've had your fun. Having visited 3 times I have not had any problems but I have taken common sense precautions and I primarily go out to bang girls and not get flat out wasted on alcohol or other alternatives. As for muggings, safety has been discussed ad nauseum here and there are many personal experiences told here on the board so you'll have to gauge where you are with that. Good luck.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2870957]I heard on social media that a group called "Tren de Aragua" had made Santa Fe in Bogota dangerous. Has anyone had any experience with them there?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2869444]

Who I fucked and what it costed me:

All in all I barebacked 5 new street girls all of which I found in Santa Fe. All 5 were Venezuelans (I know, I know, I sound like a hypocrite; to clarify I never said not to fuck them I just said to be extra cautious when dealing with them). I paid them between 80 mil and 120 mil for each BBFS cip session that I had. I know this is double to triple the going rate for covered condom sex but I am just not a condom kind of guy. I prefer to pay a little more to be able to actually enjoy the sex and I always cum inside them too. (no worries I have a vasectomy). Also the one that was 120 mil was for one hour not the normal 20 mins.
[/QUOTE]How the do you negotiate such deal? I never BBFS street girls except for fb girls when I was in MED. Well I now just remember I picked once this girl from Lleras and fucked her raw in Cabanas, while the other girl was smoking weed in jacuzzi.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2870574]Any tips to avoid getting mugged while strolling for prostitutes? Nothing ruins your mood worse.[/QUOTE]Don't get drunk, don't wear jewelry or a watch, assume the robbers are watching you at an ATM, don't assume your safe if people are around, very very few Colombians will get involved in a mugging and the robbers know it. They work in teams. Stay safe.

And I've been touching base with some new girls and some of my old favs. But today is proving what I have been talking about the last few weeks so far today I have been hit by 2 girls I have not met in person for 3 million pesos, about $750 USD and another girl for $200 both spoke of a 2 hour time limit. In all the years I've been mongering in Bogota I never got hit with a time limit by my girls, Somebody is pissing in the pool and it aint Kool. If your the one paying stupid money doesn't make you the man JUST STUPID and your fucking it up for everyone and yourself.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2871020]And I've been touching base with some new girls and some of my old favs. But today is proving what I have been talking about the last few weeks so far today I have been hit by 2 girls I have not met in person for 3 million pesos, about $750 USD and another girl for $200 both spoke of a 2 hour time limit. In all the years I've been mongering in Bogota I never got hit with a time limit by my girls, Somebody is pissing in the pool and it aint Kool. If your the one paying stupid money doesn't make you the man JUST STUPID and your fucking it up for everyone and yourself.[/QUOTE]My last 2 trips to Bogota I frequented Lidos Fiebre Olimipio and Loutron.

All the girls have been quoting high especially the hot ones. They tell me Mexicans are paying big $$ for them.

[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2871005]How the do you negotiate such deal? I never BBFS street girls except for fb girls when I was in MED. Well I now just remember I picked once this girl from Lleras and fucked her raw in Cabanas, while the other girl was smoking weed in jacuzzi.[/QUOTE]There's no difference in whether it's a street girl, Facebook girl, Seeking or otherwise. The only difference is the prices. I'll never understand how some dudes think it's some how more of a risk if you found the girl on the street versus on seeking or whatever. Bareback is bareback and it's a risk no matter what. However that risk doesn't outweigh the loss of pleasure you get when you use a condom, so for me it's a risk I'm willing to take.

As far as getting them to agree it's pretty easy. You just need to negotiate. I've been known to roll the dice and ask after we get in the room but that approach is hit or miss (although I still think you can get girls who will be an initial no to change to a yes in the room after looking at your dick). At any rate I asked up front this time. Three were friends of other Santa Fe street girls whom I've known from previous trips, so that may have helped, and two were random street sweeties I found and asked upfront. I started out offering 80 k COP (double the normal condom sex price) and negotiated from there. It's not very hard but it definitely requires a command of Español.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2870957]I heard on social media that a group called "Tren de Aragua" had made Santa Fe in Bogota dangerous. Has anyone had any experience with them there?[/QUOTE]I never heard of them-- The police control Santa Fe-- they are always rousting Venezuelans-- I live in the area for 10 yrs never heard of them. I was helping a family that lived in a really bad building that dealt drugs out the gate in hallway-- Maybe they run that but the cops regularly raid that place-- Good Luck.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2871020]And I've been touching base with some new girls[/QUOTE]I thought you were getting married or something (not that that stops the show.).

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2871026]My last 2 trips to Bogota I frequented Lidos Fiebre Olimipio and Loutron.

All the girls have been quoting high especially the hot ones. They tell me Mexicans are paying big $$ for them.[/QUOTE]No it's coming from American people. They fucked up the market in Cartagena and Medellin and now it coming to Bogota. Everywhere American tourists go, you can be sure that the place is ruined within a few years. That has been the case also in Thailand. Big money and time limit are definitely not a Mexican habit.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2871156]No it's coming from American people. They fucked up the market in Cartagena and Medellin and now it coming to Bogota. Everywhere American tourists go, you can be sure that the place is ruined within a few years. That has been the case also in Thailand. Big money and time limit are definitely not a Mexican habit.[/QUOTE]The dummies think making it rain at the clubs and paying more is cool. Is it an ego thing? That's the same reason I stopped going to MDE. I'm not too concerned about BOG getting fucked up because it's such a big city. My concern is the other city near the coast that I frequent. I keep seeing more gringo douchebags on the plane.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2871258]The dummies think making it rain at the clubs and paying more is cool. Is it an ego thing? That's the same reason I stopped going to MDE. I'm not too concerned about BOG getting fucked up because it's such a big city. My concern is the other city near the coast that I frequent. I keep seeing more gringo douchebags on the plane.[/QUOTE]Yeh. I made a trip to Bogota and Medellin last month. Most of the down town bogota and parque lleras chicas will ask for $. Bogota is getting there high up like Medellin, where subject folks have ruined it for regulars. If you compare Medellin post covid end of 2021 and now, chikas asking more then double. Semi pros and pros in Medellin would ask for 500 mil peso or $300 to begin with. Some of the decent airbnbs have doubled their price and they are booked for few months continuously. When chikas ask ridiculous, I hustled them good. As government is saying that inflation is cooling down and prices are falling so we need to adjust the p4p as well. I paid as low as 100 mil peso plus one way taxi for 2 hours to 220 mil peso and two taxi. Desperation has a higher price tag.

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[QUOTE=Prelude141;2871156]No it's coming from American people. They fucked up the market in Cartagena and Medellin and now it coming to Bogota. Everywhere American tourists go, you can be sure that the place is ruined within a few years. That has been the case also in Thailand. Big money and time limit are definitely not a Mexican habit.[/QUOTE]Americans go to cheap places and make it more expensive. In a place like Lidos the price was always high. For the past 7 years it's always been 2-300 usd. If you go on a weekend night you'll see well dressed Latinos. Not all gringos.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2871026]My last 2 trips to Bogota I frequented Lidos Fiebre Olimipio and Loutron.

All the girls have been quoting high especially the hot ones. They tell me Mexicans are paying big $$ for them.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Yeah, Colombia is cheaper than Mexico, the peso has gone way up in value, and the Mexican men love Colombian women. Also, I do not think there are non-stop flights from Mexico City to Medellin (if so not many) in comparison to the frequent non-stops from Mexico City to Bogota.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2871156]No it's coming from American people. They fucked up the market in Cartagena and Medellin and now it coming to Bogota. Everywhere American tourists go, you can be sure that the place is ruined within a few years. That has been the case also in Thailand. Big money and time limit are definitely not a Mexican habit.[/QUOTE]Each time I walk into Lidos I the place is packed with South Americans. Not gringos. I think most gringos would not pay the prices these girls are asking.

To be honest most gringos who come to party and consider Sante Fe and casas as their main playgrounds for mongering are budget conscious. And lidos is not for the budget conscious.

Eroticasbogotas has girls who offer the pse option for 500 mil on top of the price.

So when one says their prices is being ruined it's not in the places like this.

So what's actually happening is people go to places like Sante Fe clubs and because it's so cheap some guys come play save a hoe. And want to wife up street girls or girls who are taking dik for 120 mil. These are the prices and girls that are being ruined.

A monger who never is willing to pay 200 usd will never go to a place where a girl won't take less than 200 usd.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2871628]Each time I walk into Lidos I the place is packed with South Americans. Not gringos. I think most gringos would not pay the prices these girls are asking.

To be honest most gringos who come to party and consider Sante Fe and casas as their main playgrounds for mongering are budget conscious. And lidos is not for the budget conscious.

Eroticasbogotas has girls who offer the pse option for 500 mil on top of the price.

So when one says their prices is being ruined it's not in the places like this.

So what's actually happening is people go to places like Sante Fe clubs and because it's so cheap some guys come play save a hoe. And want to wife up street girls or girls who are taking dik for 120 mil. These are the prices and girls that are being ruined.

A monger who never is willing to pay 200 usd will never go to a place where a girl won't take less than 200 usd.[/QUOTE]I think it is the middle market that is affected the most.

SF or El Centro markets cater to locals mostly. Street girls charge 40-50 mil, club girls 100-120 mil, give or take, without extras. If some gringo saves a ho, she stops working there and is off market, but this would be a rare exception. Thousands of other girls are still there, charging the same rates, that are of course get adjusted over time because of inflation. These low end markets are not even close to being gringo oriented. And those gringos who frequent SF or Centro usually RTTF, they know the drill. And like you said, they are price sensitive.

High end markets (Lido, Gusto, Scandallo in SP and other similar ones) cater to wealthy locals or weekend warrior gringos. Both groups are not price sensitive. These clubs have always been expensive. Average monger Joe is priced out, not willing to pay 200-300+ USD plus all the fees. Yes, the rates are going up but not drastically, and the pool of guy willing to pay high rates is limited, plus the competition among girls is tough. Few years ago Gusto girls still asked 200-250 usd, so not much has changed. Never been to Lido though.

Now, the middle market. Which is mostly online. Seeking, Facebook, Tinder and other platforms and apps. These are the girls that get wifed up the most. These are the girls that get wine&dined the most, and get flown out, etc. Semi-pros, college girls, girls with regular jobs, etc. Rates used to be somewhere in the 200-300 mil range for multiple hours, maybe 300-350 TLN. Now, the rates are all over the place, up to 700-800 mil, or even more for the best looking ones. Still cheaper than high end places, but not as affordable as it used to be. Yes, some girls can still be had for under 300 mil, but it has become much more difficult to get these deals. Another thing nobody is talking about is that what used to be a 3-4 hrs standard date now is 1 HR /1 pop long. The middle market girls have become more professional and trying to squeeze as many dates as they can. There is just too many gringos in Colombia living there permanently or for extended periods of time, so now every guy is competing with another guy.

I seriously need to make another trip to Bogota to fuck some more girls and to take a break from the winter in the US. Last year I had a great time banging prepagos from EncountersVip, la Celestinea as well as street putas in Santa fe. In fact I had fucked 80% of the girls who were on the roster of encounters vip. Took a look at their website today and all the girls I had banged have disappeared to be replaced by new faces. One girl from encountersvip was in a relationship with a 45 year old airline pilot. She had shown me tons of photos with the guy and he was in the process of arranging a marriage based visa for her. Maybe she got wifed up. Another one is a full time model now and doing good. She will be fucking me when I visit again. But I wonder what happened to the other girls. Not that I am complaining about the new faces, just wondering. Surely there are not enough lovers in US / Europe to marry and save the hoes?

I am thinking of making a stop in Guayaquil or santo domingo as well. Santo domingo agency girls prices are insane. The convenience and price of girls in Bogota (both agency and santa fe) has made me lazy and ruined me. Is there any other place like Santa fe in another country where it is just so darn convenient and around the same price point?

Nothing is as point and click as Colombia. Guayaquil has a strip like Santa Fe where they charge $20 - 30 US for a short time, but Guayaquil is very dangerous right now. Reference the Guayaquil board for locations. Not to say BOG isn't. Santo Domingo has a few casas and the strip club charged me in the $100 range. Santo Domingo is good for regular girl and semi-pros, but you have to invest the time. I have a friend that lives in Santo Domingo and he is killing with girl he meets at the mall etc.

My advise is keep exploring BOG and other parts of Colombia other than MDE, CTG. Colombia is bigger than Ecuador and DR combined. Pay the $5 for the BOG maps that world 69 posts on here. BOG is so big, the maps are separated in three part.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2871744]I seriously need to make another trip to Bogota to fuck some more girls and to take a break from the winter in the US. Last year I had a great time banging prepagos from EncountersVip, la Celestinea as well as street putas in Santa fe. In fact I had fucked 80% of the girls who were on the roster of encounters vip. Took a look at their website today and all the girls I had banged have disappeared to be replaced by new faces. One girl from encountersvip was in a relationship with a 45 year old airline pilot. She had shown me tons of photos with the guy and he was in the process of arranging a marriage based visa for her. Maybe she got wifed up. Another one is a full time model now and doing good. She will be fucking me when I visit again. But I wonder what happened to the other girls. Not that I am complaining about the new faces, just wondering. Surely there are not enough lovers in US / Europe to marry and save the hoes?

I am thinking of making a stop in Guayaquil or santo domingo as well. Santo domingo agency girls prices are insane. The convenience and price of girls in Bogota (both agency and santa fe) has made me lazy and ruined me. Is there any other place like Santa fe in another country where it is just so darn convenient and around the same price point?[/QUOTE]

For sure. The price is higher nowadays. Especially if the see you as a foreigner. Thankfully I'm Hispanic and I can pass for a colombiano, so I still get charged the normal rates.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2871682]I think it is the middle market that is affected the most.



SF or El Centro markets cater to locals mostly. Street girls charge 40-50 mil, club girls 100-120 mil, give or take, without extras. If some gringo saves a ho, she stops working there and is off market, but this would be a rare exception. Thousands of other girls are still there, charging the same rates, that are of course get adjusted over time because of inflation. These low end markets are not even close to being gringo oriented. And those gringos who frequent SF or Centro usually RTTF, they know the drill. And like you said, they are price sensitive.

High end markets (Lido, Gusto, Scandallo in SP and other similar ones) cater to wealthy locals or weekend warrior gringos. Both groups are not price sensitive. These clubs have always been expensive. Average monger Joe is priced out, not willing to pay 200-300+ USD plus all the fees. Yes, the rates are going up but not drastically, and the pool of guy willing to pay high rates is limited, plus the competition among girls is tough. Few years ago Gusto girls still asked 200-250 usd, so not much has changed. Never been to Lido though.

Now, the middle market. Which is mostly online. Seeking, Facebook, Tinder and other platforms and apps. These are the girls that get wifed up the most. These are the girls that get wine&dined the most, and get flown out, etc. Semi-pros, college girls, girls with regular jobs, etc. Rates used to be somewhere in the 200-300 mil range for multiple hours, maybe 300-350 TLN. Now, the rates are all over the place, up to 700-800 mil, or even more for the best looking ones. Still cheaper than high end places, but not as affordable as it used to be. Yes, some girls can still be had for under 300 mil, but it has become much more difficult to get these deals. Another thing nobody is talking about is that what used to be a 3-4 hrs standard date now is 1 HR /1 pop long. The middle market girls have become more professional and trying to squeeze as many dates as they can. There is just too many gringos in Colombia living there permanently or for extended periods of time, so now every guy is competing with another guy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2871832]Nothing is as point and click as Colombia. Guayaquil has a strip like Santa Fe where they charge $20 - 30 US for a short time, but Guayaquil is very dangerous right now. Reference the Guayaquil board for locations. Not to say BOG isn't. Santo Domingo has a few casas and the strip club charged me in the $100 range. Santo Domingo is good for regular girl and semi-pros, but you have to invest the time. I have a friend that lives in Santo Domingo and he is killing with girl he meets at the mall etc.

My advise is keep exploring BOG and other parts of Colombia other than MDE, CTG. Colombia is bigger than Ecuador and DR combined. Pay the $5 for the BOG maps that world 69 posts on here. BOG is so big, the maps are separated in three part.[/QUOTE]Sure there are a lot of average girls but there is Real Quality girls in the streets too. Tonight we were out I met a Super cute Venezolana Flaquita 21 yr old who arrived 2 weeks ago from Carracas-- I did not bang her but will someday-- This guy I was with was kinda fearless asking for sexo natural in broken Spanish to many I think one said yes-.

You Really can meet a girl next door (my favorite) -- So many choices tonight.

I ended up going with a favorite 21 yr old Hot Carmel Barbie GFE quickee that and it was so good I banged here again for less cause she love me nailing her hard-- it was 90 mil total for both sessions so about $22.50 -- That viagra puts me in pussy seeking rush-- I usually have such a craving after the first session-- I got to bang another girl or the same one again.

I was in Venus and met a super hot flaquita -- I got to go back for her.

I was in Guayaquil 13 years ago and the area called la diez why ochoa, it was ok-- the girls charged $5. I also went to this giant pool hall brothel outside of town where there were rooms lining the pool hall and the girls sat in front their room I think they were charging $7-$10. This place was really interesting the hall was open air and it was really hot by the giant Guayas river. I went to a few club brothels some nice action for $20-- Bogotá was and is so much better.

Awesome report! I always thought that Mezzanine was a particular brothel from reading the posts but I never thought that it's just a street. Where is that street located?

[QUOTE=IsaBahn;2728562]Here is my report regarding Bogota, Colombia on July 2022.

First, a bit about me. I am not that rich but I do have some money to spend on girls. I get to travel around the world due to my work. See my previous reports on Rio, Brazil.

And Kiev, Ukraine or Lisbon, Portugal. So last July I was visiting Bogota for 8 days due to my work. When I get to a place I like first to test and sample everything and every type of access to working girls to learn how things work differently in each country and city with different vibes from the girls. It wasn't my first time to Bogota, I already*went to Bogota in 2019 before the Pandemic and in 1998 as a young backpacker. I do speak quite good Spanish which helped me much with girls. And when I report I give FULL report.

I was looking more for the longer time connection and not just 30 min fuck and that's it. I wanted girls for a few days or girls for a full night. I do need to confess I have made a mistake, all those Pesos prices with 1 Million for a full night quote sounds really high, but it is actually around $300 USD which is quite low in Europe standards, buts it sounds high. So I did not use enough budget and I could have spent more and get better girls or service. I was also traveling with a buddy who had a lower budget and I didn't want to put him in a vulnerable*mood.

So here is my report:

Place to find girls are divided to those:

Online services: Tinder, Seeking.

Casas / Massage parlours: Like Mezzanine.

Escort service: Eroticas*Bogota or La celectina.

Strip clubs: (My favourite options) Like Fiebre, Atunes, Troya, Lido and more.

Staying:

Usually if you are a Gringo I would suggest for you to stay in Chapinero area (Around calle 94 and more). It is a relatively safer area, with good bars, discos and restaurants. For me, I less favour the northern*part of Bogota for two reasons: 1. It does not feel like an authentic South American place, it looks exactly like any other Western European city. 2. It is quite far from Santa-Fe and all the strip-clubs. Please note Bogota has a huge traffic congestion*problem and riding from Chapinero to Santa-Fe will take 30 min*and waiting for the Uber might take another 10 min. Quite frustrating. Therefore I decided to stay inside the city just next to Santa-Fe in the Tequendama Suits Dot Premium (Please note there are two Tequendama hotels which are 4 min walk between them). This area is less secure and you*need to take care at night (during the day I had no problem walking there, just take regular*precautions from pickpockets), But it is much more authentic, full with people around and very close to Santa-Fe (5 min uber) to the strip clubs. We even walked a few times to Santa-Fe. Remember I speak quite good Spanish.

Hotel Tequendama Suits Dot Premium:

I liked this hotel. 8/10. Big rooms. Huge rooms. Not expensive. Nice view. The breakfast is Ok. Not the best, but very much enough. The good thing is, they did not have any problems with bringing*girls during the day, and at night, after 9 pm you need to*pay 60 k pesos*per additional person which is quite good. I also took a massage in their Spa which was nice. And the location is just near Santa-Fe. It is a strange hotel though. They do have offices inside, and they forgot to bring towels which we had to request many times again to bring towels. Yet, I think it is worth it. Oh, they do insist on registering every girl that comes to the hotel. It is actually something I liked very much. They write down the name and ID of the girl. They don't care if it is an ID card, passport or work*permit from Venezuela. They let everyone get in. I actually like it. If a girl drugs me or steals something at least I have some kind of string to find her.

I never do anything without a condom, even blowjobs I get with the condom on. I prefer to sleep well at night,*so don't ask me about*it. I do like some kinky games, like submissive or dom. But those things are quite rare in Bogota although I did find a few.

Seeking:

A shitty place. The website or the app works really bad and makes it uneasy to work. You need a lot of time to talk with the girls, sometimes they want to meet at a restaurant before and no sex. Basically I think it is a waste of time. I brought three girls from seeking. One was a cute young girl who charged waaay over price, second was very hard to set an appointment*with but she was very horny anyhow she did not look good as in the photos and the last one was actually ugly. My recommendation is not to use it.

Tinder:

I had better luck here. It is basically the same as seeking only much easier to use and much easier to communicate with the girls. Most of the girls are working girls on Tinder (prepagos). If they have a photo in lingerie or swimsuit. It is for sure. After some chat on Tinder you move to WhatsApp. She asks for the offer and then you can meet. Since I speak Spanish I wasn't much afraid of drugs or other things since I did the screening talking to the girl and trying to understand how is her personality is. I did not have any problems with the girls. I always moved to WhatsApp and never only on Tinder. I had a very very bisexul girl from Tinder. A dike on a bike, with lovely tattoos and free spirit. We met two times. The problem was that she worked and did not want to miss her work so she did not have enough time. But she was very sexy, anal, rimming and she even wanted to bring her girlfriend but unfortunately I didn't had enough time. Next time for sure. I paid her 300 k pesos for 3 hours each time.

Casas / Massage parlours:

We took an Uber to Mezzanine street. It was nice. They have like 8 different parlours there, and in each one you had like 4 girls. Some are fair looking, some are ugly. The price is around 150 K for 40 min suck and fuck. I did get some phones number to call the girls to come later to the hotel. I went to a few other places: Loutron: quite sexy girls but high price, around 450 K per hour and 250 k extra fee to take the girl out and then you still need to pay the girl what she wants. Been to a few more casas and don't remember the names but I think it was quite a waste of time. Low number of girls and the places are far away from each other so you waste hours on traffic. The stripclubs in Santa-Fe give much better variety and value per money.

Escort services:

Actually had some nice experiences*from escort services. My recommendation is to use eroticasbogota or lacelestina- which I had good experience with. The prices are higher. 300 k per hour, and 800 k per night. But it is still quite cheap compared to Europe. The photos of the girls are real and the communication via WhatsApp is pleasant. Some even send you photos of the girls with their faces. The photos are always looking better than the girls in reality but the difference is small. Had a brunette, chubby, 7/10 that really liked me and even sent me her CV so I will help her find work. I have a 8/10 blonde girl that works on a webcam and has piercings in her tits, quite skinny. Very sexy but her attitude is not as good as the other*one. I had from another agency an 18 years old cute girl that was very nice.

And now, for the cherry on the icing, the strip clubs in Santa-Fe:

First, I used show around to find some local tour guides in Bogota. One of them took me to Troya club and it was nice. But then I took another girl. She was amazing. She is not a working girl. She charged $10 USD per hour, but she was worth every penny and we booked her almost everyday. So she came with me to Fiebre night club. Actually, since I speak the language I did not really need any local guide, but it is nice to have, and it is more fun. Without the language or a local guide, it might be a bit more dangerous and you might get scammed in the bar and get higher prices and it will be hard to negotiate*with the girls. Anyway, I didn't care to pay. She was fun. She took lap dances for herself too. She brought her friends and we all had fun. We went to dance Salsa together in Galeria cafe de Libro in Chapinero together and she took us to a cool club called 4. 40 to dance. I even took one of the strippers for the whole night, a tall*skinny sexy one to come and dance with us in the clubs, and the lovely tour guide brought her friends and it was a crazy party. We went with the tour guide also up to Monserrate mountain by foot and went down by foot too. I really recommend it since you get a full view of the whole sin-city of Bogota. We had a great tour with her.

Woodman09:

The area in Santa-Fe is quite dangerous, especially at night. I also booked Woodman09 from this forum to give us a walking tour guide in Santa-Fe (BTW, one of the nights also the girl from show around joined us too to the clubs again. Walking around Santa-Fe can be a bit nervous but it is not a s dangerous as you think. At night I took Uber to get from the hotel to clubs and back, but during the day I was walking around and with woodman09 there is no problem at all (the working girls already knew him. I don't like street girls and never get in with a street girl, but it was interesting to walk around and see.

There are many clubs and each one is next to the other so you can walk between the clubs. The prices are around this: 30 k / 40 k for a lap dance. 25 k for a corona beer. 700 k for a full night to take the girl to your place. Some girls ask 800 and some 300. It depends on the day (busy or not) or the hour they leave the club.

Atunes is good from 12 midday*until 4 pm. Then Troya until 10 pm. And then Fiebre from 8 pm until 3 am. I think Fiebre was the best club for me. I tried to see Paisas but it wasn't as good. I had plenty of lap dances in Fiebre and Troya where the girls strip fully nude and let you touch (not like Vegas which is shit). Found a tall sexy girl in Fiebre that moves like a serpent*and was quite intelligent and booked her for 3 nights for 700 k per night from 8 pm until 10 am. She was amazing and we still keep in touch. I just loooove those places.

Until the next time.

Aviv.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VW1936;2872067]Awesome report! I always thought that Mezzanine was a particular brothel from reading the posts but I never thought that it's just a street. Where is that street located?[/QUOTE]It's not a street but a serie of brothels above some shops. From memory there a 3 brothels distant each by 10 meters.

It has been extremely over hyped on this board for whatever reasons (I suspect newbies who don't touch a girl so often).

Reality is that it's not better than the casas in chapinero but far more expensive because located north of the city.

Honestly there are better places in Bogota for a shag.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2872067]Awesome report! I always thought that Mezzanine was a particular brothel from reading the posts but I never thought that it's just a street. Where is that street located?[/QUOTE]I think you thought that it was a street from the way report was written-- Mezzanin is a group of MPs in a building-- I have attached a photo with streets noted.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2871078]I thought you were getting married or something (not that that stops the show.).[/QUOTE]She's in the university from 7 am till 6 pm. A man has to do something with all that time.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2872101]It's not a street but a serie of brothels above some shops. From memory there a 3 brothels distant each by 10 meters.

It has been extremely over hyped on this board for whatever reasons (I suspect newbies who don't touch a girl so often).

Reality is that it's not better than the casas in chapinero but far more expensive because located north of the city.

Honestly there are better places in Bogota for a shag.[/QUOTE]I was not impressed when I went. Considering it was a 20 minute Uber from even Chapinero. I sessioned with a girl who had a great big, fit and athletic legs and ass but her body and face was mid. I only was thankful for her as while she was a 7 to me the rest were 6's and below who I wouldn't bang for free.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2870073]The week from Christmas Eve to New year is always slow. Most people including the girls will be few and far between. A lot of girls are in Bogota to work or because they are students and will go back to their home town. Not sure about SF but I would assume only the hard core prepagos will be available. I did Christmas twice once in CR and once in Colombia but always with a girl I was in a serious relationship with. I would recommend you have a sure thing lined up or you might find yourself roaming around a very quiet city by yourself. Better you get a date you like and hit the beach for 3 or 4 days like mot Bogotanos do. Be prepared for higher prices for everything including airfare. If you go let us know how it went.[/QUOTE]Is SF really that bad for NYE weekend? I have enough time to make a 2 day trip. I just stick to the Troyas Fiebre big clubs. Is just not at full capacity or is it really hard to find 3 or 4 hot ladies there? During this summer over 2 days I saw over 50 really great ones in the club, for reference. And if it's say at least 50% capacity since it's slow that should give better prices?

This hotel was shut down -- I am thinking for letting under age work there as they are closed up for a few days now -- and they have this sign on the door (see Photo).

For those who can't see photo it says 'Exigimos un comité interinstitucional con una ruta de atencióand why de alertas tempranas para combatir la explotacióand sexual de menores. '.

It's the 1st hotel on right as you enter the Northstroll on CRA 15 from Calle22.

See it on YouTube. --The Hotel on the right in this video at 13:19-- This link goes right to the that time13:19 [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-Fq9z6OIs&t=799s[/URL].

I rarely go to Santa Fe anymore but one of my usual just told me that one of the owners of the clubs in Santa Fe just got killed by hitmen yesterday.

[URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/bogota/asesinato-barrio-santa-fe-hipotesis-crimen-de-diego-aristizabal-en-bogota-829848[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2871055]There's no difference in whether it's a street girl, Facebook girl, Seeking or otherwise. The only difference is the prices. I'll never understand how some dudes think it's some how more of a risk if you found the girl on the street versus on seeking or whatever. Bareback is bareback and it's a risk no matter what. However that risk doesn't outweigh the loss of pleasure you get when you use a condom, so for me it's a risk I'm willing to take.

As far as getting them to agree it's pretty easy. You just need to negotiate. I've been known to roll the dice and ask after we get in the room but that approach is hit or miss (although I still think you can get girls who will be an initial no to change to a yes in the room after looking at your dick). At any rate I asked up front this time. Three were friends of other Santa Fe street girls whom I've known from previous trips, so that may have helped, and two were random street sweeties I found and asked upfront. I started out offering 80 k COP (double the normal condom sex price) and negotiated from there. It's not very hard but it definitely requires a command of Espaol.[/QUOTE]I usually play the long game, I work remote and stay here 3 months at a time (then go to Mexico). From my experience, my easiest time with BBFS isn't with a street girl but with chicks that work at casas. If they are new, all they know is the casa pricing. Usually they are told to never do BBFS as well, but since they're not familiar with street pricing, a 50-100% tip is enough to convince them. I've been to casas with 80 k / hour fee where the girl told me she gets 50 k and the casa gets 30 k. I told her I'll pay 250 k if she spent the night with me + BBFS. She ended up bringing a friend for a trio since she didn't want to go alone so I gave her friend the same deal.

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2872985]I usually play the long game, I work remote and stay here 3 months at a time (then go to Mexico). From my experience, my easiest time with BBFS isn't with a street girl but with chicks that work at casas. If they are new, all they know is the casa pricing. Usually they are told to never do BBFS as well, but since they're not familiar with street pricing, a 50-100% tip is enough to convince them. I've been to casas with 80 k / hour fee where the girl told me she gets 50 k and the casa gets 30 k. I told her I'll pay 250 k if she spent the night with me + BBFS. She ended up bringing a friend for a trio since she didn't want to go alone so I gave her friend the same deal.[/QUOTE]Usually with FB girls its pretty easy to get BBFS on the second date. During the first she sees your dick and probably gets comfortable with you. If she messages you first, just ask her for bareback. It has never failed for me. Getting BBFS from a streetie sweetie: slim chance.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2873031]Usually with FB girls its pretty easy to get BBFS on the second date. During the first she sees your dick and probably gets comfortable with you. If she messages you first, just ask her for bareback. It has never failed for me. Getting BBFS from a streetie sweetie: slim chance.[/QUOTE]I try to avoid using FB in general, maybe I should make a fake one to try it out but don't like giving my info out like that. But yeah, multiple dates really raises your chances of BB. And for street girls, your chances are really slim in SF. I've only managed to get it on the first meeting twice in the past 3 years.

Side note: for the cheapest BB I ever got, it was a casa close to the airport, it was like 30 k / rato, 40 k /30 minutes, 60 k / hour. There was about 4 girls and only one of them looked decent so I went with her, she told me BBJ was free if I got an hour and 10 k for any other extras like CIM / COF and 20 k for anal. I asked if BBFS was available, she hesitated but said 20 k as well. I just told her I'd pay 100 k for an hour total if she just let me do anything without question. Would have been 50 k total with rato but the curiosity got the best of me to see if she would do bb ass to mouth. I'm guessing she was so new to it that she just assumed that BB should be the same price as anal from their casa menu.

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2873041]I try to avoid using FB in general, maybe I should make a fake one to try it out but don't like giving my info out like that. But yeah, multiple dates really raises your chances of BB. And for street girls, your chances are really slim in SF. I've only managed to get it on the first meeting twice in the past 3 years.

Side note: for the cheapest BB I ever got, it was a casa close to the airport, it was like 30 k / rato, 40 k /30 minutes, 60 k / hour. There was about 4 girls and only one of them looked decent so I went with her, she told me BBJ was free if I got an hour and 10 k for any other extras like CIM / COF and 20 k for anal. I asked if BBFS was available, she hesitated but said 20 k as well. I just told her I'd pay 100 k for an hour total if she just let me do anything without question. Would have been 50 k total with rato but the curiosity got the best of me to see if she would do bb ass to mouth. I'm guessing she was so new to it that she just assumed that BB should be the same price as anal from their casa menu.[/QUOTE]BBFS is not that hard to get from street girls in Santa Fe or La Botero or El Obrero or La Septima. The key is speaking Spanish and getting to know them. Personally, repeating a few times then having one you have befriended, introduce you to their working girl friends. Finding a few different ones to source the friends from and then branching it off like a spider web, the possibilities are endless. I've been coming to Colombia since 2018 first Bogota, then Medellin, then Cucuta and Cali and I've literally barebacked over 1200 Vennies and Colombianas since I've been coming down here.

Really though, a black Vennie named Geisis whom I met back in May of 2018 in Santa Fe was my original key to bareback in Colombia, but since her I have befriended so many thru Facebook, WhatsApp, the streets, etc and I've branched off literally in every direction of the Compas, I even get bareback in little towns like Villao, Meta and Armenia, Quindío.

If you put in the effort to learn the language and the culture then bareback will come naturally it's really just a matter of whether or not it is something you really want, and you need to weigh the pros and the cons and decide if the risk is worth the reward.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2872985]I usually play the long game, I work remote and stay here 3 months at a time (then go to Mexico). From my experience, my easiest time with BBFS isn't with a street girl but with chicks that work at casas. If they are new, all they know is the casa pricing. Usually they are told to never do BBFS as well, but since they're not familiar with street pricing, a 50-100% tip is enough to convince them. I've been to casas with 80 k / hour fee where the girl told me she gets 50 k and the casa gets 30 k. I told her I'll pay 250 k if she spent the night with me + BBFS. She ended up bringing a friend for a trio since she didn't want to go alone so I gave her friend the same deal.[/QUOTE]250 mil pesos for an amanecida including BBFS and MSOG is a good deal. I've gotten similar deals from street girls. I had one that stayed the night with me in my apartment here in el barrio and we fucked 3 times throughout the night and I sent her on her way at 11 am the next day with 300 k.

I don't recommend bringing girls back to your place for amanecidas unless you know them a bit. This wasn't a brand new girl I did this with it was a girl I had fucked 3 times prior before I had invited her to my home. And even then I kept my guard up the whole time with my wallet in my pocket and not taking my eyesight off of her the entire time and fake sleeping while she was real sleeping between the 3 polvos. Call me crazy but I won't be one of these statistics you hear about from DCBornRob.

Hi all,

After living in Medellin 1/2 time for the last 3 years, I am venturing to explore the capital. I am staying for a week.

I have read through the threads and understand preferences are highly subjective.

To get a little clarity:

- Staying in Chapinero (altos) this was recommended. Is there a MED comparison (I am told more like Laureles than Poblado).

- In your opinion what BOG area is most like Tesoro in MDE?

- Is there a Parque Lleras equivalent or similar?

Thanks in advance for any experience or feedback.

"No estaba muerto; andaba de parranda" as they say here.

I used to go mostly to PH because they had a "Colombianas only" rule, but now they ripped it down for the metro construction.

Is there any other place we know of that has the same rule? Not really feeling the Venezuelans.

I know PH relocated 5 blocks north also, but is it worth?

I have been lurking on this forum for a long time, and been to Santa Fe numerous times. It has taken a spiral for the worse. On Friday,12/01, there were so many cops out checking IDs, probably because of the killing earlier in the week. They were checking girls that were working outside. So many girls stayed indoors, On Saturday, 12/02, it was better. I usually go alone, but was with a friend. We were at one of the major clubs. Sat with two girls. One each. I decided to leave first with my girl. My friend stayed. When the club closed at 3 AM, he called an Uber and walked down Calle 24 towards Caracas to meet the driver (relatively "safe" area of Sant Fe) Five guys came out of the corner of the street where Piscina was located, grabbed my friend's girl and tried to take her backpack. My friend intervened, and had a knife pulled on him. He was not slashed or stabbed. They took off with the girl's backpack, leaving her crying. My friend told me the next day that he won't be going out to Santa Fe anymore.

People. Just be aware. You are mongering in perhaps one of the most dangerous places in Colombia. Stuff is going on now and there is a possibility that extranjeros are targeted by this group of five. I too will probably lay low for awhile until things settle in part of Bogota. In Medellin, there might be drugging here and there, but not the low level street crimes common in Santa Fe. Better to go and leave in large groups to avoid the pandillas. According to sources, there is a turf war going on between the gang that used to control Santa Fe and the one moving in. Unfortunately my friend and her girl were caught in the middle of it. Safety has take a spiral for the worse. Just be cautious of what is going on. My feeling is that extranjeros are being watched.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2873031]Usually with FB girls its pretty easy to get BBFS on the second date. During the first she sees your dick and probably gets comfortable with you. If she messages you first, just ask her for bareback. It has never failed for me. Getting BBFS from a streetie sweetie: slim chance.[/QUOTE]I met a tinder girl once, after much negotiation she agreed to meet for a coffee and see what'd happen. We met at a coffee shop and talked for like an hour, really nice girl and really nice conversation. After one hour I just told her let's go and she got in the car where I could fondle her breasts and touch her pussy. Anyhow we went to a love hotel and once upstairs we touched, kissed and she gave me a nice BBBJ, then she said come on get a condom and fuck me and I was like "didn't you bring", I don't have any condoms". She tried looking in her purse but didn't find any. I had condoms in the car but I wanted BBFS so I played dumb and started kissing her and touching her. I told her that if she really wanted condoms we could order from the reception and that somehow calmed her down. Then we kept on kissing and touching and I rubbed my dick on her vulva trying to measure her reaction, and when I did that, she just said ok put it in, it's too late anyway meaning something like if you touched my pussy already with your bare dick it is too late for a condom. We started fucking, she was very wet it was great, several positions, 69, DATY etc. I was fucking her doggy and she asked me if I had come already and I told her like off course not I wouldn't do it without asking. That someone made her more horny or whatever and she said come inside it's fine I can take the morning after pill. I was like wtf, are you sure and she kept on telling me yes come inside of me, fill me, give me your "leche". I obeyed and came inside her. We kept of fucking regularly for a while and I noticed she had that underskin tube on her arm for contraception, she was like haha sorry I lied about the morning after pill, I just love guys coming inside me. Made me wonder how many did she fuck raw and how many came inside her but it was nice and I did enjoy it so maybe it was worth the risk. She once told me that she decided we would do BBFS when she was sucking me because it was very clean and it she didn't feel it'd be a risk. So yeah maybe they change their mind after looking at your dick.

Lost my link to the official link to Check-mig, I found it again but as usual it's constant errors messages, I've filled this thing out dozens of times and It's always a pain in the ass. Question, Latam never asked me for my Check-mig in October but now I'm flying Delta, has anyone flown Delta recently and did they ask for your Chick-mig? Thanks.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2874635]Lost my link to the official link to Check-mig, I found it again but as usual it's constant errors messages, I've filled this thing out dozens of times and It's always a pain in the ass. Question, Latam never asked me for my Check-mig in October but now I'm flying Delta, has anyone flown Delta recently and did they ask for your Chick-mig? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for delta but immigration will want it. Some people from my flight who didn't fill it out fully I think were getting hassle. I know United won't let you board without it.

If anyone is in Chapinero I'll be here 2 weeks and I plan to look into the Casas around here since SF is getting so bad. A prepago I was trying to link up with would meet at a love hotel down there for safety reasons. I can confirm since no one else has mentioned it that Radisson is definitely not GF. They want a 35 usd fee to bring visitors.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2874163]"No estaba muerto; andaba de parranda" as they say here.

I used to go mostly to PH because they had a "Colombianas only" rule, but now they ripped it down for the metro construction.

Is there any other place we know of that has the same rule? Not really feeling the Venezuelans.

I know PH relocated 5 blocks north also, but is it worth?[/QUOTE]PH is not worthy visiting. New places is nice but there are hardly any girls.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2874829]PH is not worthy visiting. New places is nice but there are hardly any girls.[/QUOTE]Thank you, understood.

Any other "Colombianas only" places you know of?

I have like a couple dozen ex PH regulars on socials but AFAIK they all just do outcall now.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2875014]Thank you, understood.

Any other "Colombianas only" places you know of?

I have like a couple dozen ex PH regulars on socials but AFAIK they all just do outcall now.[/QUOTE]Kinda xenophobic of you but it's kool-- More Venezolanas for the rest of us-.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2875025]Kinda xenophobic of you but it's kool-- More Venezolanas for the rest of us-.[/QUOTE]How is it xenophobic? I have nothing personally against them; I'm just not attracted to them.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2875025]Without borders Colombians and Venezuelans are the same people.[/QUOTE]So by using that logic would the people in the Essequibo region of Guyana also be the same people as Venezuelans and thus the same people as Colombians too? I mean without borders, of course.

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2874652] since SF is getting so bad. [/QUOTE]I will be out there tomorrow so will report if SF is out of control. If anyone out in Bogota, shoot me a message.

I took delta last month and they didn't ask but in the last six months or so, out of 5 times, I was asked for check mig 4 times and was not allowed to board without showing it.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2874635]Lost my link to the official link to Check-mig, I found it again but as usual it's constant errors messages, I've filled this thing out dozens of times and It's always a pain in the ass. Question, Latam never asked me for my Check-mig in October but now I'm flying Delta, has anyone flown Delta recently and did they ask for your Chick-mig? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2875089]So by using that logic would the people in the Essequibo region of Guyana also be the same people as Venezuelans and thus the same people as Colombians too? I mean without borders, of course.[/QUOTE]Colombia and Venezuela were once part of Gran Colombia a huge region which is Venezuela and Colombia-- The Peoples of these 2 countries are ethnicly the same and were colonies of Spain-- Liberated by Simon Bolivar-- Hence the old coins of Colombia and Venezuela having Bolivar as their founder (see Photos) -- So I'm just saying-- They are the same people-- with some minor cultural differences-.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2875096]I will be out there tomorrow so will report if SF is out of control. If anyone out in Bogota, shoot me a message.[/QUOTE]I've been through twice on the motorcycle since that post, once during the afternoon and once in the evening. Looked like 200% biz as usual to me.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2875255]Colombia and Venezuela were once part of Gran Colombia a huge region which is Venezuela and Colombia-- The Peoples of these 2 countries are ethnicly the same and were colonies of Spain-- Liberated by Simon Bolivar-- Hence the old coins of Colombia and Venezuela having Bolivar as their founder (see Photos) -- So I'm just saying-- They are the same people-- with some minor cultural differences-.[/QUOTE]I was being an asshole, I know all about the history of Gran Colombia and Nueva Granada. Ecuador and Panama were also part of it and if it had stayed in tact as a whole it would be a massive country to rival Mexico and Brazil as the largest economies of Latin America. But unfortunately it broke up into modern day Colombia, Venezuela, and Ecuador and then the US had some involvement with Panama breaking away (which actually was a department of Colombia well after the main 3 had split apart) so they could build the Panama Canal.

As far as modern day Venezolanos and Colombianos are concerned they do not consider themselves the same people. Most Colombians look down on Venezolanos and don't like them being here. Many of them resort to petty crime to get by either selling drugs, robbing, stealing, scams and extortion. And of course many of the Venezuelan women, as we all know, turn to prostition.

I do however enjoy the empanadas venezolanas better than the Colombian ones. They are crispier and have more meat and less potato or rice filler. Anyways there you go.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2875085]How is it xenophobic? I have nothing personally against them; I'm just not attracted to them.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you would see them as different as they are the same people ethnically-- I will say that they are persecuted in Colombia-- they are taken advantage of by slave labor wages and police stealing from and beating them-- I have first hand knowledge of this.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2875255]Colombia and Venezuela were once part of Gran Colombia a huge region which is Venezuela and Colombia-- The Peoples of these 2 countries are ethnicly the same and were colonies of Spain-- Liberated by Simon Bolivar-- Hence the old coins of Colombia and Venezuela having Bolivar as their founder (see Photos) -- So I'm just saying-- They are the same people-- with some minor cultural differences-.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the Vennies and Colombians are from the same gene pool and the Vennies have had a much easier time of things in Colombia than Peru where the gene pool is different, and the Vennies can be easily spotted in Peru. Still, I have been with Colombians who can pick out the Vennies and the Colombians gripe about the lack of morals the Vennies have.

Thing is I have not had a bad Vennie lover. The women I was with were hot, often smart, and did what they could to please me in bed. Thing is if you played by the rules and did not steal in Venezuela you were fucked over by the government. So I was always more careful with the women from there.

People here may not like that, but the way the Peruvians talked about the Vennies was unreal.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2875255]Colombia and Venezuela were once part of Gran Colombia a huge region which is Venezuela and Colombia-- The Peoples of these 2 countries are ethnicly the same and were colonies of Spain-- Liberated by Simon Bolivar-- Hence the old coins of Colombia and Venezuela having Bolivar as their founder (see Photos) -- So I'm just saying-- They are the same people-- with some minor cultural differences-.[/QUOTE]That means nothing. If it does then both are also ethnically the same as the people of Panama and Ecuador because they were all the same Gran Colombia. I do not know if you have noticed the characteristically big ass foreheads that Venezuelans have but Colombians don't.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2875255]Colombia and Venezuela were once part of Gran Colombia a huge region which is Venezuela and Colombia-- The Peoples of these 2 countries are ethnicly the same and were colonies of Spain-- Liberated by Simon Bolivar-- Hence the old coins of Colombia and Venezuela having Bolivar as their founder (see Photos) -- So I'm just saying-- They are the same people-- with some minor cultural differences-.[/QUOTE]They split a long time ago, for reasons.

Anyways, I repeat, I have nothing against Venezuelans at all. I just like Colombians way more. If you or anybody can't sense the difference, I sure can, and I'm not the only one.

I also generally turn into a monk when I go back to the US to visit for that same reason.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2875341]That means nothing. If it does then both are also ethnically the same as the people of Panama and Ecuador because they were all the same Gran Colombia. I do not know if you have noticed the characteristically big ass foreheads that Venezuelans have but Colombians don't.[/QUOTE]Woodman is wrong they are not ethnically the same. Even within Colombia they have different ethnicities. You have the fare skinned paisas, you have the black chocoanas that look African, you have costeñas that are darker skinned but not as black as chocoanas.

Venezuela had alot of Arab immigrants in the 1900's from Lebanon and they have alot of Arab traits mixed into their mestizo genes. Maybe if you went back to like the year 1523 or some shit, then you could say they were the same people but since they became separate countries they have received immigrants from different places and they have mixed into the gene pool and changed the make up of the modern day people who live there.

Perhaps the large foreheads came from the Arabs?

This discussion, while interesting, is totally contrary to the purpose of this thread and this forum.

I acknolwedge that there's a lot of unfair prejudice against Venezuelans in Colombia, but it's completely irrelevant to the issue here.

I just want to know if there are any casas in Bogot that only admit native Colombians, as has been a thing in the past, in certain cases.

If anybody knows anything, please feel free to comment.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2875235]I took delta last month and they didn't ask but in the last six months or so, out of 5 times, I was asked for check mig 4 times and was not allowed to board without showing it.[/QUOTE]From my house, from the air port on the official CM site and on the link Delta offers you and not once did it go thru. I've done it dozens of times in the past so I know all the intricacies of that site but finally I just clicked on the CM completed question on the Delta link and it said CM complete and no one here, in Bogota or on my way out in Charleston even mentioned it. Side note here in Colombia is Velitas where its another big family day. I decided to pass on going to the inlaws and do the lighting candles thing. Figured I'd stay back here in Chico and grab a old favorite or two for some fun but it's like it was Christmas day, everyone is with family day. I completely forgot about it when I booked. A lesson learned for anyone thinking of hitting Bogota around Christmas. Don't!

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2875544]From my house, from the air port on the official CM site and on the link Delta offers you and not once did it go thru. I've done it dozens of times in the past so I know all the intricacies of that site but finally I just clicked on the CM completed question on the Delta link and it said CM complete and no one here, in Bogota or on my way out in Charleston even mentioned it. Side note here in Colombia is Velitas where its another big family day. I decided to pass on going to the inlaws and do the lighting candles thing. Figured I'd stay back here in Chico and grab a old favorite or two for some fun but it's like it was Christmas day, everyone is with family day. I completely forgot about it when I booked. A lesson learned for anyone thinking of hitting Bogota around Christmas. Don't![/QUOTE]Honestly, best to avoid from Dec 7 up til the end of January, or, at the very least, after the Monday that follows Jan 6th every year.

In Any case these people are mostly great people who have been really screwed by their government and just like You and me want to have a decent life for their families.

Living so close to the poverty has effected me and moved me to do what I can.

I have gotten involved with one family that touched my heart and I have set up a charity for them-- Please contact me for more information if you want to help a poor family directly.

And I want to thank some of the members who have reached out and helped.

An elf on the shelf in the USA now costs more than a Santa Fe street hottie. Ho Ho Ho! That $32 elf at Michael's must have a trademark. LOL.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2875544]From my house, from the air port on the official CM site and on the link Delta offers you and not once did it go thru. I've done it dozens of times in the past so I know all the intricacies of that site but finally I just clicked on the CM completed question on the Delta link and it said CM complete and no one here, in Bogota or on my way out in Charleston even mentioned it. [/QUOTE]I do not know if you read my report a couple of months ago about not doing it on purpose entering or leaving and nobody said anything about it.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2875096]I will be out there tomorrow so will report if SF is out of control. If anyone out in Bogota, shoot me a message.[/QUOTE]Checked out SF last night and noticed it was less people in the street but in the clubs, it was business as usual.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2875657]Checked out SF last night and noticed it was less people in the street but in the clubs, it was business as usual.[/QUOTE]I have been to the strolls a lot in last 2 weeks and I did not see anything different-- Lotsa Hot SGs -- same as it ever was-.

I did read about the girl getting robbed-- Girls are a big target and robbed often-- men no so much-- from what I have seen and heard-.

Of course it is more dangerous for some people than others-- I shall remain vigilant.

I'm back in Bogota today for only the second time ever. Like my first trip back in Sep 2023 I'm staying 10 days. I arrived today from LAX via IAH (Houston) on United. I am again staying at the Tequendama Hotel. Came very close to booking San Franciso, but I saw mixed reviews of it so I went with the known entity. I will still check both it and the Ibis out at some point and maybe that Ocean Hotel. I arrived at the hotel sometime between 7-8 am. Given I knew I'd be arriving that time of day which is well before check-in I just booked my room starting on the 7th. I can definitely agree with what some other recent posters have mentioned in it is pretty dead around this area today. I checked and yeah it's a legal holiday so a lot of the normal business are closed and there is little foot traffic compared to normal days. I'll be walking over to the zona around 4 pm for the first time to get a good layout of the scene.

Was in Bogota briefly for the first time this year and stumbled on a lucky streak. Saw about 10 ladies and all were way better than average. Sampled everything from prepagos outcalls / incalls, spas, mezzanine, regulars, agencies. The standout was Bella from Encoutersvip [URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/en/escorts/bella21.[/URL] Very sensual GFE style that agrees with my needs perfectly, good times. She's 22 and spoke decent English. If I had more time I would have repeated for sure.

Not sure what happened to the famous mezzanine, only one door seems to be open now. Anyway sessioned there with a hottie going by Katerina. Enthusiastic performer and excellent masseuse. The massage alone would have taken me back if I had more time.

Also visited this one (Valentina) located in Chapinero near my hotel based a recommendation from another monger here, [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/linda-hermosa-chica-complaciente-esperando-por-ti-3229652009/24696922/[/URL] . Good GFE performer at 150 k inclusive of BBBJ and MSOG.

By the way, the CheckMig app / web doesn't seem to work anymore and nobody asked for it.

Happy mongering my friends.

Hi,

If you look backward on the posts here you can see a question I have asked regarding bringing a girl from Bogota to Europe: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2868354[/URL]#post2868354.

So. I have done it and it was quite a good experience. She is a girl I know for quite some time. She is 9 years younger than me, but we still pass as a couple. I have good Spanish skills. We went to swingers clubs and saw some of the nice capitals of some of the countries in Europe. Price was quite low if you compare to Europe of course. I paid for the flight and food. Basically we enjoyed much although toward the end of the trip she started to be annoying and demanding.

I summarise it as a good decision also compared value for money.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2876003]Was in Bogota briefly for the first time this year and stumbled on a lucky streak. Saw about 10 ladies and all were way better than average. Sampled everything from prepagos outcalls / incalls, spas, mezzanine, regulars, agencies. The standout was Bella from Encoutersvip [URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/en/escorts/bella21.[/URL] Very sensual GFE style that agrees with my needs perfectly, good times. She's 22 and spoke decent English. If I had more time I would have repeated for sure.

Not sure what happened to the famous mezzanine, only one door seems to be open now. Anyway sessioned there with a hottie going by Katerina. Enthusiastic performer and excellent masseuse. The massage alone would have taken me back if I had more time.

Also visited this one (Valentina) located in Chapinero near my hotel based a recommendation from another monger here, [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/linda-hermosa-chica-complaciente-esperando-por-ti-3229652009/24696922/[/URL] . Good GFE performer at 150 k inclusive of BBBJ and MSOG.

By the way, the CheckMig app / web doesn't seem to work anymore and nobody asked for it.

Happy mongering my friends.[/QUOTE]Do you remember the door number why was it in the back?

Went there for a couple of hours on Saturday. Lots of girls (all Colombian still).

The new place is similar to the old place but you got to walk up stairs to the 4th floor to get to the main space. VIP is on the 3rd and the fuck rooms on the 2nd.

Girls charge 100 to 150 k these days. Unfortunately, now, to take a girl downstairs you have to buy at least a half bottle which will run you at least 80 k (I don't drink so this sucks for me).

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2876550]Do you remember the door number why was it in the back?[/QUOTE]Also curious what the Mezz. Is charging these days.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2876559]Also curious what the Mezz. Is charging these days.[/QUOTE]I paid 130 K for 30 min, end of October.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2876550]Do you remember the door number why was it in the back?[/QUOTE]So you have a commercial building with a second floor and a number of different shops / businesses, and some are along the front and others along the back of the building. Why? Because that is the spot that the business is located I suppose.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2876557]Went there for a couple of hours on Saturday. Lots of girls (all Colombian still).

The new place is similar to the old place but you got to walk up stairs to the 4th floor to get to the main space. VIP is on the 3rd and the fuck rooms on the 2nd.

Girls charge 100 to 150 k these days. Unfortunately, now, to take a girl downstairs you have to buy at least a half bottle which will run you at least 80 k (I don't drink so this sucks for me).[/QUOTE]Glad to hear your place was still in business.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2875607]I do not know if you read my report a couple of months ago about not doing it on purpose entering or leaving and nobody said anything about it.[/QUOTE]I flew from TPA to PEI a couple weeks ago and they asked me for it at check in in Tampa and again in PEI when I left yesterday.

My past few days in Bogota has gone good. This past Friday being a holiday things were definitely rather slow in the zona and in the area around the Tequendama Hotel where a lot of the regular businesses were closed. This Friday 12/8 I ended up doing a freelancer early in the afternoon. Walking around in the afternoon in the zona there were certainly still enough freelancers to find something to suit your taste. Later I hit up Troya around 12 - 12:30 am. For a Friday it was definitely slower than a normal Friday, but there were ample girls around just a lot less customers than a normal Friday. I will say though that I certainly recognized a lot of the talent from my last trip in early / mid Sep 2023 so there doesn't appear to have been that much turnover of talent.

Saturday 12/9 was more or less a repeat of Friday. The area as a whole both around the Tequendama Hotel as well as in SantaFe was more alive than it was on Friday. Again I ended up finding some street feelancer earlier in the afternoon and then later Saturday night I went back to Troya yet again LOL. I mentioned in on my previous trip which was my first to Colombia I liked Troya better than the other clubs so it's been hard for me to branch back to the others although I'll certainly plan to hit up them before I leave on 12/17. The crowd in Troya on Saturday was a lot more lively and crowded than Friday. Not as crowded as some of the nights I visited during my Sep trip. Much like Friday I still recognized a lot of the talent from my last trip a few who weren't there Friday.

Sunday 12/10 I was planning to do more of the same of finding a freelancer early and then hitting up a club early, but I ended up scrapping those plans. I did go out to the zona in the afternoon and picked up a freelancer, however, I didn't go back out Sunday night and just rested up back at the hotel. When I went out looking for a freelancer it was pretty dead in the zona. Sundays I know are usually pretty slow anyways and this was definitely a rather slow day. There were still ample freelancers around, but the overall amount of foot traffic out and about was pretty minimal.

So far today I've again gone out and found a freelancer to partake of some afternoon / early evening action and I'm planning to go back later tonight to some club. Maybe Troya again maybe not LOL I'll play it by ear.

A few other tidbits. I know there has been some mention of safety. I haven't felt unsafe in the zona so far and I've exclusively been on foot walking to and from the Hotel Tequendama to the zona. Even very late a night (I don't recommend doing this willy nilly if you're not used to walking around cities / urban areas late nights). There has been a police presence as there usually is in the zona. I'd say it's slightly more or a presence than my Sep trip. The biggest difference I've seen is that there has been the big police van / truck (kind of like the big police operations type you see in movies) which I didn't see previously in addition to the smaller police vans and police on motorcycles. I've also seen a few instances of police seeming to be stopping people in cars.

One other thing about that check mig. I flew united both this trip and my last trip so I had to fill it out before takeoff based on their procedures. I didn't have any of the issues I see being reported about it. Although in both cases I merely followed the link from the united website inside the 72 hour window to the check mig website and filled everything out and it was accepted and completed without issue. I also should mentioned both times I filled it out on a desktop pc using the latest version of the chrome web browser. On both my trips though nobody in Colombia actually asked to see the paper check mig stuff.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2876559]Also curious what the Mezz. Is charging these days.[/QUOTE]I went for the first time this week, to one of the doors in the back. The price was 100 k for 1 hour (and the girl offered BBBJ for +50 k).

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2874652]I can't speak for delta but immigration will want it. Some people from my flight who didn't fill it out fully I think were getting hassle. I know United won't let you board without it.

If anyone is in Chapinero I'll be here 2 weeks and I plan to look into the Casas around here since SF is getting so bad. A prepago I was trying to link up with would meet at a love hotel down there for safety reasons. I can confirm since no one else has mentioned it that Radisson is definitely not GF. They want a 35 usd fee to bring visitors.[/QUOTE]I'm staying in Chapinero for the next few days, and am also curious about checking out the casas I have heard are in the area.

I'm new to this site, guess I need a paid membership to DM?

Well I just got back from my late night venture to Troya a few minutes ago. It ended up being a bust LOL. I knew things could be a bit dead, but it was super dead. Probably more girls than customers when I arrived around 12:35 am'ish. I ended up getting a few dances, but around 1:50 am the dj stopped playing music although they didn't say they were closing early (they're supposed to be open until 3 am). I waited around for another 5 minutes to see if the music would start back up or if any of the few girls still around would come back around to maybe grab one, but the dj didn't start back playing music and none of the few girls that I knew to still be there came back around aside from the one that was with a customer already chatting. So I bounced and just decided to call it a night.

Anyways the real reason for this post is that as I was walking around the zona hunting freelancers. I was walking past that one street that's one over from the back entrance to Troya and this guy was being driven in a cab and rolling down the window asking various freelancers how much. My spanish is terrible, but I definitely understood doscientos which was what the various girls were quoting him. I was like damn freelancers are asking for more than the girls in the clubs now? Or maybe it's just those girls working that specific area of the zona since it's close to the major clubs and they tend to be as enhanced as the bar girls. I know I've been venturing slightly south away from the freelancers close to the clubs just trying something new and luckily haven't had that happen to me.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2876995] ...this guy was being driven in a cab and rolling down the window asking various freelancers how much. My spanish is terrible, but I definitely understood doscientos which was what the various girls were quoting him. I was like damn freelancers are asking for more than the girls in the clubs now? Or maybe it's just those girls working that specific area of the zona since it's close to the major clubs and they tend to be as enhanced as the bar girls. I know I've been venturing slightly south away from the freelancers close to the clubs just trying something new and luckily haven't had that happen to me.[/QUOTE]Yea but did you hear how much time he was asking for? Odds are he was asking for an extended period of time if not an all nighter especially if he was in a cab trying to take a girl back to his place. If he was looking for a quick 40 k rato he wouldn't have been in the cab because he would have to get out anyway to go to the short time hotel with girl.

Obviously if you are taking the street girl back to your place for a longer period of time than the normal rato in the cheap hoteles then that is going to cost more than the 40 k pesos.

Doscientos mil was probably for all night or atleast for a cpl hours. Considering that it was almost 2 am when you left troya and witnessed this guy in the cab, I'm willing to bet the 200 k was probably for the remainder of the night until 6 am or so.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2876995]this guy was being driven in a cab and rolling down the window asking various freelancers how much. My spanish is terrible, but I definitely understood doscientos which was what the various girls were quoting him. I was like damn freelancers are asking for more than the girls in the clubs now? Or maybe it's just those girls working that specific area of the zona [/QUOTE]Or maybe they pegged him to be some dummy since he was trying to negotiate from the back seat of a taxi. Or maybe he asked how much for all night. Maybe he asked how much for him and a friend. Maybe he asked for anal and to be sucked after. Only hearing 200 tells you nothing about what is going on.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2876995]Well I just got back from my late night venture to Troya a few minutes ago. It ended up being a bust LOL. I knew things could be a bit dead, but it was super dead. Probably more girls than customers when I arrived around 12:35 am'ish. I ended up getting a few dances, but around 1:50 am the dj stopped playing music although they didn't say they were closing early (they're supposed to be open until 3 am). I waited around for another 5 minutes to see if the music would start back up or if any of the few girls still around would come back around to maybe grab one, but the dj didn't start back playing music and none of the few girls that I knew to still be there came back around aside from the one that was with a customer already chatting. So I bounced and just decided to call it a night.

Anyways the real reason for this post is that as I was walking around the zona hunting freelancers. I was walking past that one street that's one over from the back entrance to Troya and this guy was being driven in a cab and rolling down the window asking various freelancers how much. My spanish is terrible, but I definitely understood doscientos which was what the various girls were quoting him. I was like damn freelancers are asking for more than the girls in the clubs now? Or maybe it's just those girls working that specific area of the zona since it's close to the major clubs and they tend to be as enhanced as the bar girls. I know I've been venturing slightly south away from the freelancers close to the clubs just trying something new and luckily haven't had that happen to me.[/QUOTE]Guys rolling through in cars are trying to get girls to go somewhere else with them, to a party perhaps, for the night perhaps, or whatever. Lots of chicas that will go up to a room with you for 80 are certainly going to ask for 200 mil for getting in a car and going somewhere for hours or all night, to say nothing of the risk to them there is in doing this.

Is she a spinner mixed chica. Almost white but has some mixed features. There is someone I know who is from Bogota and going around Europe now. So just wondering.

[QUOTE=IsaBahn;2876200]Hi,

If you look backward on the posts here you can see a question I have asked regarding bringing a girl from Bogota to Europe: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2868354[/URL]#post2868354.

So. I have done it and it was quite a good experience. She is a girl I know for quite some time. She is 9 years younger than me, but we still pass as a couple. I have good Spanish skills. We went to swingers clubs and saw some of the nice capitals of some of the countries in Europe. Price was quite low if you compare to Europe of course. I paid for the flight and food. Basically we enjoyed much although toward the end of the trip she started to be annoying and demanding.

I summarise it as a good decision also compared value for money.[/QUOTE]

This is my first visit to Colombia, I've been here for a little over a month, and will be staying through January. I've been having a lot of fun with women here so far, both through online dating, and through finally satisfying my curiosity for paid sex with working girls (and now I'm hooked.) I plan to write reports of my experiences, here's one at the massage spa One Relax Center in Bogota:

One Relax Center on CL. 129 a #45-06 (off Autopista Norte).

This place is a little out of the way, up in the north of the city, has a professional environment, with spacious and very clean rooms. If you didn't know what it was, you'd think it was just a normal massage parlor. The entrance is on the side of the building, go up some stairs to a door on the second floor. I went there around 3 pm on a Sunday back in November, since it seemed to be one of the few options that I've found are open on Sundays. This was the second massage spa / casa I've visited in Bogota, and my third experience with a working girl (following my first two visits to Tantra Spa, I'll write a report on that another time.).

When I entered through the door I was immediately greeted by one of the ladies. I don't know if she's the mama-san, or just happened to be the first to spot me, but she looked a bit older than the other girls and took charge of getting me situated in a room. She introduced herself, and had the other girls come in one by one to make their introductions. I think the website said there are typically 10 girls working there, but there were only 4 total at this time, probably because it was a Sunday. But they were all model quality in looks, a step up from the girl-next-door level looks of the girls at Tantra Spa.

After the introductions, the first girl came back in and asked me if I wanted her or one of the other girls. She was covered in tattoos, which is not my type, but I chose her because she had very sexy curves and projected a very sensual vibe. She seemed eager to "attend to" me, as she put it. So I went with the feeling of chemistry and we got started. The price was 220 k for 1 hour of massage + CBJ + sex. I asked about kissing, and she said we could do that if I tipped her.

I stripped down and got on the large comfortable massage table. She gave me a very good, long, professional-level massage from head to toe. Very erotic too, with lots of buildup and teasing of my sensitive areas. When I flipped over she got on top to make out with me, with my hands free to feel up her insane curves. Her big tits were fake but soft, and her big round ass was pleasantly all natural. She then moved on to the BJ, putting a condom on me. I asked if natural was an option, she said "no, this is for your safety as much as mine". I told her I just don't really enjoy it with a condom on, then she said she could do it natural, but it would be 250 k extra, so I declined. At least she knew what she was doing and did her best to make the CBJ feel as good as one can.

Moving on to the sex, she let me relax under her while she rode me with a slow rhythm and lots of kissing. Then she sat up and started riding and grinding it more wildly. She had me so worked up that it didn't take me long to pop. So I only got that one position with her, but I came so hard I didn't care. We still had 15 minutes left so she massaged me some more while I enjoyed the afterglow. At the end I paid her for the service plus a 20 k tip, so 240 k total. She asked if I wanted her number so she could come to my hotel / apartment if I wanted to see her again, I agreed. I haven't seen her again yet, but she messages me from time to time on WhatsApp in a friendly manner to check up on me.

Overall, the experience at One Relax Center was very satisfying, she was beautiful, and the massage was great. In comparison, the service, environment, and attitude was more professional, but not as flirty and personable as the girlfriend treatment I get from the girls at Tantra Spa. It also cost more than twice as much as the same amount of time at Tantra. Also I'm not sure if multiple pops is an option or not at this place, since there wasn't enough time for me to try for it after my first orgasm.

I find that I really enjoy the massage spa / casa / brothel setup. I feel comfortable and safe in these environments, I love the lineups of girls and getting to choose them like from a harem, and I like the relaxed mood of 1 hour including a massage and (sometimes) multiple pops. My experiences at these places have been more comfortable than my few experiences with freelancers (in Cartagena), and more straightforward and honest than a few of the dates I've had with some "normal" girls who turned out to be looking for a sugar baby / daddy relationship (and dropped that info on me after we had already had 1 or more dates.) That probably shouldn't bother me so much, but somehow it does and has been a big turn-off / red-flag for me each time it has happened.

Anyway, I hope you find this report useful, and I'm open to any questions, feedback, or critiques of a newbie who is probably making a few mistakes but still enjoying himself here!

Hi Folks,

I need an advice for yellow fever vaccination to enter Colombia. I am travelling from USA to Brazil (Rio) and then to Buenos Aires and then to Bogota. All the flight tickets are separate. Though I shall not be going directly to Colombia from Brazil (Going from Rio to Buenos Aires to Bogota) do I still need a yellow fever vaccination to enter Colombia. Please advice. I shall be staying for two weeks in Brazil and 4 days in Buenos Aries before going to Bogota. Government of Colombia website says "Vaccination required to enter Colombia from Brazil but then says not recommended if travelling to Medellin, Bogota, Cartagena. SO I am confused. Please advice.

I know a lot of guys use the Tequendama Suites Hotel. Just to be sure, is it girl friendly? Would like to spend time in the area north of there to be close to the historical section. Any advice on hotels or Airbnb in the Chapinero area, I know I spelled that wrong, that are girl friendly. Thanks.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;2877191]This is my first visit to Colombia, I've been here for a little over a month, and will be staying through January. I've been having a lot of fun with women here so far, both through online dating, and through finally satisfying my curiosity for paid sex with working girls (and now I'm hooked.) I plan to write reports of my experiences, here's one at the massage spa One Relax Center in Bogota:

One Relax Center on CL. 129 a #45-06 (off Autopista Norte).

This place is a little out of the way, up in the north of the city, has a professional environment, with spacious and very clean rooms. If you didn't know what it was, you'd think it was just a normal massage parlor. The entrance is on the side of the building, go up some stairs to a door on the second floor. I went there around 3 pm on a Sunday back in November, since it seemed to be one of the few options that I've found are open on Sundays. This was the second massage spa / casa I've visited in Bogota, and my third experience with a working girl (following my first two visits to Tantra Spa, I'll write a report on that another time.).

When I entered through the door I was immediately greeted by one of the ladies. I don't know if she's the mama-san, or just happened to be the first to spot me, but she looked a bit older than the other girls and took charge of getting me situated in a room. She introduced herself, and had the other girls come in one by one to make their introductions. I think the website said there are typically 10 girls working there, but there were only 4 total at this time, probably because it was a Sunday. But they were all model quality in looks, a step up from the girl-next-door level looks of the girls at Tantra Spa..[/QUOTE]Nice report. How have you earned about that parlour in the first place?

[QUOTE=JoseFlores;2877346]Anyone know how to get PreP, looking it up and seems you need a prescription. What would a doctor there ask and what do you need? Any blood work, etc? I believe the name goes by Truvada here (or perhaps Descovy)?[/QUOTE]I got my prep online through [URL]https://www.gofreddie.com/[/URL] It was fairly easy. A round of interview questions, blood work is required, was about 1 week wait total. That site is for Canadians, I am sure there are others. My insurance covered it, and they have 2 options of prep.

[QUOTE=JoseFlores;2877346]Anyone know how to get PreP, looking it up and seems you need a prescription. What would a doctor there ask and what do you need? Any blood work, etc? I believe the name goes by Truvada here (or perhaps Descovy)?[/QUOTE]The way it works in Colombia is that the doctor writing the prescription his name is señor efectivo.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2877026]Yea but did you hear how much time he was asking for? Odds are he was asking for an extended period of time if not an all nighter especially if he was in a cab trying to take a girl back to his place. If he was looking for a quick 40 k rato he wouldn't have been in the cab because he would have to get out anyway to go to the short time hotel with girl.

Obviously if you are taking the street girl back to your place for a longer period of time than the normal rato in the cheap hoteles then that is going to cost more than the 40 k pesos.

Doscientos mil was probably for all night or atleast for a cpl hours. Considering that it was almost 2 am when you left troya and witnessed this guy in the cab, I'm willing to bet the 200 k was probably for the remainder of the night until 6 am or so.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify the cab thing was during the daytime at like 4 or 5 pm. I didn't hear the entire conversation but he certainly didn't seem to be asking too much from the girls I heard him asking. The girls were at different hotels too I was walking faster than traffic on that street was moving hence why I got to hear him multiple times so they weren't parroting what they'd just heard another girl say since they were far enough apart.

[QUOTE=Wilfred1;2877279]Hi Folks,

I need an advice for yellow fever vaccination to enter Colombia. I am travelling from USA to Brazil (Rio) and then to Buenos Aires and then to Bogota. All the flight tickets are separate. Though I shall not be going directly to Colombia from Brazil (Going from Rio to Buenos Aires to Bogota) do I still need a yellow fever vaccination to enter Colombia. Please advice. I shall be staying for two weeks in Brazil and 4 days in Buenos Aries before going to Bogota. Government of Colombia website says "Vaccination required to enter Colombia from Brazil but then says not recommended if travelling to Medellin, Bogota, Cartagena. SO I am confused. Please advice.[/QUOTE]It's once in a liftime, one dose, it's safe and it's very effective, and you'll have it for whenever you need it.

That's my advice.

[QUOTE=Wilfred1;2877279]Hi Folks,

I need an advice for yellow fever vaccination to enter Colombia. I am travelling from USA to Brazil (Rio) and then to Buenos Aires and then to Bogota. All the flight tickets are separate. Though I shall not be going directly to Colombia from Brazil (Going from Rio to Buenos Aires to Bogota) do I still need a yellow fever vaccination to enter Colombia. Please advice. I shall be staying for two weeks in Brazil and 4 days in Buenos Aries before going to Bogota. Government of Colombia website says "Vaccination required to enter Colombia from Brazil but then says not recommended if travelling to Medellin, Bogota, Cartagena. SO I am confused. Please advice.[/QUOTE]You don't need a YF vac certificate to enter Colombia from Argentina, but if they notice that you've been in Argentina for only 4 days and in Brazil before that, they may ask for it. I think the chance of that is very small but not zero.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2877442]Nice report. How have you earned about that parlour in the first place?[/QUOTE]Gracias. It was listed as one of the massage parlors in Bogota on [URL]girlsheavens.com[/URL], and then I looked it up on google. The reviews seemed mostly very positive.

I think the vaccination can't be more than a certain number of years old. I know senior citizens (65 or older) are exempt.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2877516]It's once in a liftime, one dose, it's safe and it's very effective, and you'll have it for whenever you need it.

That's my advice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2877490]The way it works in Colombia is that the doctor writing the prescription his name is seor efectivo.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean, I assume you mean they will just write it?

Either way it seems it requires an American doctor's note if you want certain brands (Truvada) in Colombia but please let me know if you've done this. I believe you can get a generic version without American drs note, but it is an older version of PREP with higher risk of liver damage (Tenofovir disoproxil fumarate).

[QUOTE=JoseFlores;2877585]Not sure what you mean, I assume you mean they will just write it?

Either way it seems it requires an American doctor's note if you want certain brands (Truvada) in Colombia but please let me know if you've done this. I believe you can get a generic version without American drs note, but it is an older version of PREP with higher risk of liver damage (Tenofovir disoproxil fumarate).[/QUOTE]Officially you need perscriptions. Unofficially, I have yet to use one in the 19 years I've been here, because I cultivate relationships with my local pharmacists.

[QUOTE=JoseFlores;2877585]Not sure what you mean, I assume you mean they will just write it?

Either way it seems it requires an American doctor's note if you want certain brands (Truvada) in Colombia but please let me know if you've done this. I believe you can get a generic version without American drs note, but it is an older version of PREP with higher risk of liver damage (Tenofovir disoproxil fumarate).[/QUOTE]What I was saying is that most pharmacies will sell you anything you ask for even if it is prescription only and you don't have a prescription. I've even been able to by opiate pain killers (hydrocodon) brand name dolex from just about any pharmacy in Medellin without a prescription eventhough it clearly says on the box "requiere receta medica".

Viagra (sildenafil) and Cialis (Taldalafil) are available in abundance without a prescription and for less than a dollar a pill. Quality generics are available from brands such as MK, Genfar, AG, and La Sante (the cheapest generic).

Also antibiotics such as azythromycin, doxycycline, antivirals such as valacyclovir, I have even ordered those thru rappi and had them delivered to me. Never once was I asked for a prescription eventhough they require a prescription. You just need the cash (efectivo).

Not sure if they have locations in Bogota but if you're ever in Medellin I recommend using this pharmacy Todo Drogas (see attached photo).

[QUOTE=JoseFlores;2877585]Not sure what you mean, I assume you mean they will just write it?

Either way it seems it requires an American doctor's note if you want certain brands (Truvada) in Colombia but please let me know if you've done this. I believe you can get a generic version without American drs note, but it is an older version of PREP with higher risk of liver damage (Tenofovir disoproxil fumarate).[/QUOTE]It looks like these particular drugs such as Truvada might not be sold at normal pharmacies tho. You may need to go thru profamilia (Colombias planned parenthood) to get them.

This provided really good information and I like that you compared it to the other spa. Both sound like good options to me.

I also like spas / casas as you get a chance to feel the energy of the chica, see if she's your type, etc. Another reason I like Santa Fe "window" girls, the ones standing in front of their hotels, as it's a way to see if you'll have a good session or not. 9 out of 10 cases, I have good experiences after engaging with them in person, flirting a little, etc.

No real advice, I think you know what you like, keep trying new experiences, maybe an incall delivery from Mileroticos or similar, just for a comparison. Otherwise, enjoy!!

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;2877191]This is my first visit to Colombia, I've been here for a little over a month, and will be staying through January. I've been having a lot of fun with women here so far, both through online dating, and through finally satisfying my curiosity for paid sex with working girls (and now I'm hooked.) I plan to write reports of my experiences, here's one at the massage spa One Relax Center in Bogota:

One Relax Center on CL. 129 a #45-06 (off Autopista Norte).

This place is a little out of the way, up in the north of the city, has a professional environment, with spacious and very clean rooms. If you didn't know what it was, you'd think it was just a normal massage parlor. The entrance is on the side of the building, go up some stairs to a door on the second floor. I went there around 3 pm on a Sunday back in November, since it seemed to be one of the few options that I've found are open on Sundays. This was the second massage spa / casa I've visited in Bogota, and my third experience with a working girl (following my first two visits to Tantra Spa, I'll write a report on that another time.).

When I entered through the door I was immediately greeted by one of the ladies. I don't know if she's the mama-san, or just happened to be the first to spot me, but she looked a bit older than the other girls and took charge of getting me situated in a room. She introduced herself, and had the other girls come in one by one to make their introductions. I think the website said there are typically 10 girls working there, but there were only 4 total at this time, probably because it was a Sunday. But they were all model quality in looks, a step up from the girl-next-door level looks of the girls at Tantra Spa.

After the introductions, the first girl came back in and asked me if I wanted her or one of the other girls. She was covered in tattoos, which is not my type, but I chose her because she had very sexy curves and projected a very sensual vibe. She seemed eager to "attend to" me, as she put it. So I went with the feeling of chemistry and we got started. The price was 220 k for 1 hour of massage + CBJ + sex. I asked about kissing, and she said we could do that if I tipped her.

I stripped down and got on the large comfortable massage table. She gave me a very good, long, professional-level massage from head to toe. Very erotic too, with lots of buildup and teasing of my sensitive areas. When I flipped over she got on top to make out with me, with my hands free to feel up her insane curves. Her big tits were fake but soft, and her big round ass was pleasantly all natural. She then moved on to the BJ, putting a condom on me. I asked if natural was an option, she said "no, this is for your safety as much as mine". I told her I just don't really enjoy it with a condom on, then she said she could do it natural, but it would be 250 k extra, so I declined. At least she knew what she was doing and did her best to make the CBJ feel as good as one can.

Moving on to the sex, she let me relax under her while she rode me with a slow rhythm and lots of kissing. Then she sat up and started riding and grinding it more wildly. She had me so worked up that it didn't take me long to pop. So I only got that one position with her, but I came so hard I didn't care. We still had 15 minutes left so she massaged me some more while I enjoyed the afterglow. At the end I paid her for the service plus a 20 k tip, so 240 k total. She asked if I wanted her number so she could come to my hotel / apartment if I wanted to see her again, I agreed. I haven't seen her again yet, but she messages me from time to time on WhatsApp in a friendly manner to check up on me.

Overall, the experience at One Relax Center was very satisfying, she was beautiful, and the massage was great. In comparison, the service, environment, and attitude was more professional, but not as flirty and personable as the girlfriend treatment I get from the girls at Tantra Spa. It also cost more than twice as much as the same amount of time at Tantra. Also I'm not sure if multiple pops is an option or not at this place, since there wasn't enough time for me to try for it after my first orgasm.

I find that I really enjoy the massage spa / casa / brothel setup. I feel comfortable and safe in these environments, I love the lineups of girls and getting to choose them like from a harem, and I like the relaxed mood of 1 hour including a massage and (sometimes) multiple pops. My experiences at these places have been more comfortable than my few experiences with freelancers (in Cartagena), and more straightforward and honest than a few of the dates I've had with some "normal" girls who turned out to be looking for a sugar baby / daddy relationship (and dropped that info on me after we had already had 1 or more dates.) That probably shouldn't bother me so much, but somehow it does and has been a big turn-off / red-flag for me each time it has happened.

Anyway, I hope you find this report useful, and I'm open to any questions, feedback, or critiques of a newbie who is probably making a few mistakes but still enjoying himself here![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2877671]It looks like these particular drugs such as Truvada might not be sold at normal pharmacies tho. You may need to go thru profamilia (Colombias planned parenthood) to get them.[/QUOTE]PrEP is definitely available under the table all over Colombia. You just need to know the right pharmacist.

The only thing I've ever gotten shut down on in Colombia is adderall. They don't have that at ALL in this country, receta médica or no. There is no legal framework to import it, for some reason.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2877664]I've even been able to by opiate pain killers (hydrocodon) brand name dolex [/QUOTE]Sorry I meant Doloff not dolex. Dolex is some over the counter crap. I haven't used it in a while since like in August when I got here with a work related injury to my foot.

It's encouraging to get the takes from guys who are more experienced at this than I am, thank you.

Yeah, I like to get a vibe from a chica before I choose her. At these casas / spas there isn't the opportunity to chat them up beforehand to get a real feel for chemistry, since the introductions are so quick and I feel pressure to choose one quickly when they're all lined up. So I just go with my gut feeling based on eye contact, tone of voice, body language, facial expression, how / if they touch me or give me a kiss on the cheek when they introduce themselves, etc. A window-shopping or party environment would be great for a little more interaction and flirting before choosing a partner.

I definitely want to keep trying new erotic experiences, even though I am a bit shy or nervous about it at times. Although last night I declined to join a swingers party (paid event at a hotel), LOL. I might participate in that at a future event, though. I recently befriended the mama-san of one of the spots at the Mezzanine, and she has offered to send me chicas "a domicilio" whenever I want over Whatsapp. So that could be a convenient way to try incalls for the first time.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2877783]This provided really good information and I like that you compared it to the other spa. Both sound like good options to me.

I also like spas / casas as you get a chance to feel the energy of the chica, see if she's your type, etc. Another reason I like Santa Fe "window" girls, the ones standing in front of their hotels, as it's a way to see if you'll have a good session or not. 9 out of 10 cases, I have good experiences after engaging with them in person, flirting a little, etc.

No real advice, I think you know what you like, keep trying new experiences, maybe an incall delivery from Mileroticos or similar, just for a comparison. Otherwise, enjoy!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2877817]The only thing I've ever gotten shut down on in Colombia is adderall. They don't have that at ALL in this country, receta mdica or no. There is no legal framework to import it, for some reason.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I wonder why that is. Maybe Colombia has a "natural" substitute or two that does the same thing. LOL.

So I was celebrating last night over getting to renew my lease-- I was going to have to move and the future was not certain and dark-- If I moved far away from Santa Fe-- That would be so Gay.

I went this evening about 5 and the South Stroll was rocking-- A typical Great line up-- I went to the North Stroll like I always do. There was a concert at the North stroll by the old Castillo club-.

I met my new GF -- Super hot girl, 21 yr old -- this photo is not so great (from WhatsAp) I need to take some-- She is so much hotter-- Anyhow- just wanted to say Hi-.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2878362]So I was celebrating last night over getting to renew my lease-- I was going to have to move and the future was not certain and dark-- If I moved far away from Santa Fe-- That would be so Gay.

I went this evening about 5 and the South Stroll was rocking-- A typical Great line up-- I went to the North Stroll like I always do. There was a concert at the North stroll by the old Castillo club-.

I met my new GF -- Super hot girl, 21 yr old -- this photo is not so great (from WhatsAp) I need to take some-- She is so much hotter-- Anyhow- just wanted to say Hi-.[/QUOTE]Damn, if I had known I would have walked up and said Hi! I was there with a couple friends.

[QUOTE=Wilfred1;2877279]I need an advice for yellow fever vaccination to enter Colombia.[/QUOTE]You need Yellow Fever vaccination paperwork to enter Colombia from Brazil. The airline clerk in Brazil will ask for paperwork. Immigration in Bogota does not ask for YF paperwork. For the other countries, you need to check out the CDC site that states all the requirements for all the countries in the world. I don't think Argentina is required, but you need to double-check.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2877516]It's once in a liftime, one dose, it's safe[/QUOTE]ABSOLUTELY not, especially for older people.

That's why before you get it (from my HMO), you have to get a consultation about the side effects. For people above 60, around 1.7 per 100 K gets severe side effects, including death. Even young people get severe side effects, although at a lesser rate. That's why I'm debating about getting the shot. They put in a live Yellow Fever virus inside you. Is Brazil worth it?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2877557]I think the vaccination can't be more than a certain number of years old. I know senior citizens (65 or older) are exempt.[/QUOTE]I believe it's good during your lifetime for entry requirements. Also, I believe the exemption age is 60+.

But for the exemption, I was told you still need the paperwork, stating that you are exempt due to your age.

Does anyone know if the Bogota Hilton if GF friendly and if Amantesvip escorts is legit. They seem to have so many beautiful girls.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2878529]That's why before you get it (from my HMO), you have to get a consultation about the side effects. For people above 60, around 1.7 per 100 K gets severe side effects, including death. Even young people get severe side effects, although at a lesser rate. That's why I'm debating about getting the shot. They put in a live Yellow Fever virus inside you. Is Brazil worth it?[/QUOTE]So there's 0.000017% chance of severe complications if you're 60+? I don't mean to sound cavalier but that seems low, we take far bigger chances in other aspects of our hobby IMO.

Brazil seems worth it to me. I'm in a similar boat, I'm not 60+ but I'll be flying from Brazil to Colombia in April and plan on getting the vaccine.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2878362]So I was celebrating last night over getting to renew my lease-- I was going to have to move and the future was not certain and dark-- If I moved far away from Santa Fe-- That would be so Gay.

I went this evening about 5 and the South Stroll was rocking-- A typical Great line up-- I went to the North Stroll like I always do. There was a concert at the North stroll by the old Castillo club-.

I met my new GF -- Super hot girl, 21 yr old -- this photo is not so great (from WhatsAp) I need to take some-- She is so much hotter-- Anyhow- just wanted to say Hi-.[/QUOTE]Not sure which streets you mean by north and south stroll. Can you specify? I usually do the streets around the clubs troya, fiebre, paisas.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2878592]Not sure which streets you mean by north and south stroll. Can you specify? I usually do the streets around the clubs troya, fiebre, paisas.[/QUOTE]Hey-- The area you are talking about is the North stroll-- Calle 22 to Calle 24-- this area has more hot streetie Sweeties but you can find Hot girls in South stroll.

South stroll is from Calle 19 to Calle 21-- just along cra 14 bis for 2 blocks-- No clubs just bars-- Some good pool halls too.

From CRA15 and Calle 22 Cross Calle 22 heading south go toward Avenida Carracas-- cra 14 bis is just before Carracas by the gas station-- go right and it's a block down-.

Also some action along Calle 21 but it is more less regulated and probably more dangerous-.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;2877191]...Anyway, I hope you find this report useful, and I'm open to any questions, feedback, or critiques of a newbie who is probably making a few mistakes but still enjoying himself here![/QUOTE]Great post and super helpful! I will be taking a trip down to Bogota in a few months and I found this review extremely helpful. If you (or anyone else) has an tips for me I'd gladly take them. I'm quite experienced with mongering in the US, Europe, and the one trip I've made to South America (Quito, Ecuador). Any tips, tricks, or hints about Bogota would be great and appreciated. Thanks and stay safe out there!

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2878529]You need Yellow Fever vaccination paperwork to enter Colombia from Brazil. The airline clerk in Brazil will ask for paperwork. Immigration in Bogota does not ask for YF



But for the exemption, I was told you still need the paperwork, stating that you are exempt due to your age.[/QUOTE]What a joke these rule makers do. What paper work? I guess your passport to prove your age is not good enough?

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2877398]I know a lot of guys use the Tequendama Suites Hotel. Just to be sure, is it girl friendly? Would like to spend time in the area north of there to be close to the historical section. Any advice on hotels or Airbnb in the Chapinero area, I know I spelled that wrong, that are girl friendly. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You could do what I did this week, get a room at the Hotel Bosque Chapinero (also known as Furnished El Bosque) in Barrios Unidos / Chapinero. It's a "por horas" love motel, but you can also stay there overnight just like a regular hotel, for a very economical price. It's pretty comfortable (but loud), has room service, and by its very nature is girl-friendly.

I've looked and it seems very difficult to find recent info about guest-friendly places in Bogota (especially in the north), other than the recommendations I've seen online in the past for a small number of places that mostly seem to be near the Santa Fe area, or are very expensive (like the Click Clack.).

I have learned a few lessons / tips on how to make the most of semi-guest-friendly accommodations (ones where sex workers aren't explicitly prohibited), that I plan to write in a future post.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2878853]What a joke these rule makers do. What paper work? I guess your passport to prove your age is not good enough?[/QUOTE]That's what I was told when I had the Yellow Fever vaccination consultation required by my HMO (Kaiser).

Right, total newbie here, I live in Colombia now as I'm half British and half Colombian. I needed some action as the girls in the gym drive me nuts LOL. I can't find the advert but I have the number if someone wants, I went to a erotic massage, the 2 options are:

#1) masaje erotico tantrico, con aceites calientes finalizando con estimulacion manual una hora 150.

#2) masaje, tantrico, nuru, tailandes cuerpo a cuerpo, velas calientes finaliza con intimidad sexual poses besos caricias oral mutuo una hora 250.

I took number 1. This is located near la clinica nogales.

I enter the apartment, seems like there are other people in there, couldn't understand the situation. Got naked, lied face down, she changed into a red bikini / lingerie, girl is from Santander, not too bad to be honest. I think the 1 hour is a scam, after about 15 minutes she asked me to turn around and then the fun begin. She sat on my chest and so I had her ass near my face which she let me grab and also grab her tits. I had to stop her as I was going to blow my load, then she got off and jacked me off and after 40 minutes in total the job was done. I'm a young guy who hits the gym hard and look after myself so was hopeful maybe she would be up for more but maybe that's a rookie error. She was saying I have a nice body and asked if I worked out. Not sure if 1 hour is a scam, so I had 15 minutes left and I took a shower and she took one in another room and she came back lying on the bed with her towel, not sure what pros are meant to do in this situation as I thought maybe she wanted more, was a bit awkward.

Had small tits but was a good enough and quite perky, her ass has stretch makes but also small and perky, not worth the 150 I'd say when it seems on mileroticos you can have full on sex for 30 minutes for around 110 k.

Is it also bad to like ask a girl like this if they want to go out for drinks or something, she didn't really speak english but she was cute. I guess it does no harm to ask. Maybe beginners attachment if that's a thing.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;2878872]You could do what I did this week, get a room at the Hotel Bosque Chapinero (also known as Furnished El Bosque) in Barrios Unidos / Chapinero. It's a "por horas" love motel, but you can also stay there overnight just like a regular hotel, for a very economical price. It's pretty comfortable (but loud), has room service, and by its very nature is girl-friendly.

I've looked and it seems very difficult to find recent info about guest-friendly places in Bogota (especially in the north), other than the recommendations I've seen online in the past for a small number of places that mostly seem to be near the Santa Fe area, or are very expensive (like the Click Clack.).

I have learned a few lessons / tips on how to make the most of semi-guest-friendly accommodations (ones where sex workers aren't explicitly prohibited), that I plan to write in a future post.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Is Click Clack girl-friendly? Also, in these girl-friendly hotels do they check the girls' IDs?

What does copro mean?

How do you ask for anal in Bogota?

A friend and I took our premier trip to CO a couple of weeks ago. OUr route was Bogo to Medellin to Cartagena and back to Bogo. We liked the food scene in Bogo, but really that's about it. I know some on here like the clubs (Troyas, Fiebre, and others), and we checked them out but I'd give them a hard pass unless you're desperate. The area does not feel safe. The three clubs we went into before Fiebre were seedy and dirty. Fiebre was okay, and the door staff were super pleasant. But still didn't care for the area very much. We stayed in Hotel be Virrey on the first leg. Small rooms, but nice hotel. Great area of town. Lots of bars / clubs / restaurants. We stayed at Tequendama Suites on the last leg. Also liked it. Rooms large and well-kept. Area around the hotel not nearly as interesting or as pleasant as Parque Virrey area near Hotel be Virrey. Views of the mountains were great from T. Suites. We brought our own girls from Medellin on the last leg. I had checked out [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] before we went to Bogo, but prices were high for ST and even higher for LT, either that or the girls were looking for permanent support. So we didn't end up seeing anyone from Seeking.

And there's the kicker: if you're going to Colombia to have fun, Medellin and Cartagena have so much more to offer. Yes, in the way of female companionship, but not limited to that. Food was excellent. Lots of tourist things to do. Communa 13. Walking around El Poblado. Even the Escobar museum (which is a bit of a rip-off). As to the females, well, just look out your door and they are waiting for you. Or hang out in one of the bars / restaurants off Parque Lleras and just watch the goings on. And the pricing is very reasonable compared to my home country (USA). Cartagena has a ton of things to do, and the ladies are just waiting for you to say "hola" and then off you go. Beach and snorkelling in Carta. Seaside meals. World Heritage site. Etc. Nothing like this in Bogo.

So, next trip, we have decided to give bogo a pass, and just start off in Medellin.

BTW, if you are in Medellin, there are some massage shops that people on this forum have mentioned, including (especially) Energy Spa. I thought Energy was a big "meh. " The massage itself wasn't much, and the more interesting parts were mechanical and boring. Nothing erotic about it. Can say though that the place itself is nice. Large, private rooms with shower, very clean, pleasant staff. But honestly, you are better off just grabbing one of the massage girls in Poblado / Provenza. Had a nice experience with one of those.

As with all subject reviews, ymmv.

Compared.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2879535]What does copro mean?

How do you ask for anal in Bogota?[/QUOTE]Copro. Anything related to feces.

Sexo anal: [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/sexo-anal[/URL].

I'm heading down to Bogota in March and I've seen reports there are two Hotel Tequendama's. I am trying to figure out which one is the best one to stay at for mongering purposes.

[QUOTE=Mseasox;2879549]A friend and I took our premier trip to CO a couple of weeks ago. OUr route was Bogo to Medellin to Cartagena and back to Bogo. We liked the food scene in Bogo, but really that's about it. I know some on here like the clubs (Troyas, Fiebre, and others), and we checked them out but I'd give them a hard pass unless you're desperate. The area does not feel safe. The three clubs we went into before Fiebre were seedy and dirty. Fiebre was okay, and the door staff were super pleasant. But still didn't care for the area very much. We stayed in Hotel be Virrey on the first leg. Small rooms, but nice hotel. Great area of town. Lots of bars / clubs / restaurants. We stayed at Tequendama Suites on the last leg. Also liked it. Rooms large and well-kept. Area around the hotel not nearly as interesting or as pleasant as Parque Virrey area near Hotel be Virrey. Views of the mountains were great from T. Suites. We brought our own girls from Medellin on the last leg. I had checked out [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] before we went to Bogo, but prices were high for ST and even higher for LT, either that or the girls were looking for permanent support. So we didn't end up seeing anyone from Seeking.

And there's the kicker: if you're going to Colombia to have fun, Medellin and Cartagena have so much more to offer. Yes, in the way of female companionship, but not limited to that. Food was excellent. Lots of tourist things to do. Communa 13. Walking around El Poblado. Even the Escobar museum (which is a bit of a rip-off). As to the females, well, just look out your door and they are waiting for you. Or hang out in one of the bars / restaurants off Parque Lleras and just watch the goings on. And the pricing is very reasonable compared to my home country (USA). Cartagena has a ton of things to do, and the ladies are just waiting for you to say "hola" and then off you go. Beach and snorkelling in Carta. Seaside meals. World Heritage site. Etc. Nothing like this in Bogo.

So, next trip, we have decided to give bogo a pass, and just start off in Medellin.

BTW, if you are in Medellin, there are some massage shops that people on this forum have mentioned, including (especially) Energy Spa. I thought Energy was a big "meh. " The massage itself wasn't much, and the more interesting parts were mechanical and boring. Nothing erotic about it. Can say though that the place itself is nice. Large, private rooms with shower, very clean, pleasant staff. But honestly, you are better off just grabbing one of the massage girls in Poblado / Provenza. Had a nice experience with one of those.

As with all subject reviews, ymmv.

Compared.[/QUOTE]Was Hotel be Virrey gust friendly?

[QUOTE=Stl24;2879583]I'm heading down to Bogota in March and I've seen reports there are two Hotel Tequendama's. I am trying to figure out which one is the best one to stay at for mongering purposes.[/QUOTE]Teqendama Suites is the one that many ISGers have gone to and been happy.

In your varied experiences, do Colombian pesos or US dollars work better when seeking out entertainment and ladies?

[QUOTE=Stl24;2880080]In your varied experiences, do Colombian pesos or US dollars work better when seeking out entertainment and ladies?[/QUOTE]Always pesos. Noatter what country you go to always the local currency. You shouldn't even have dollars here at all. You go to the ATM and withdraw COP and that's what you use here. Only a fool would use dollars here.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2880080]In your varied experiences, do Colombian pesos or US dollars work better when seeking out entertainment and ladies?[/QUOTE]Pesos. The admin. Tells me my one word answer was to short so I repeat. Pesos.

Use your foreign ATM at the airport in Bogota and you can withdraw up to 2 million pesos (just under $500 at today's exchange rate).

The benefits of this are 1) the banks give you the best exchange rate and 2) you don't have to do conversions in your head while trying to work out the dollar price vs. Pesos, when the girl tells you pesos and you're trying to get the right dollars.

Bottom line. Pesos - you'll save more in every aspect.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2880080]In your varied experiences, do Colombian pesos or US dollars work better when seeking out entertainment and ladies?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stl24;2880080]In your varied experiences, do Colombian pesos or US dollars work better when seeking out entertainment and ladies?[/QUOTE]Colombian Pesos. Colombia is far enough from the USA and doesn't have the USA presence like a Tijuana or Costa Rica so everything is in local Pesos. If you see someone trying to quote you in US dollars in Colombia you're probably about to get ripped off paying a super high gringo rates.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2880263]Colombian Pesos. Colombia is far enough from the USA and doesn't have the USA presence like a Tijuana or Costa Rica so everything is in local Pesos. If you see someone trying to quote you in US dollars in Colombia you're probably about to get ripped off paying a super high gringo rates.[/QUOTE]Absolutely this. I only ever charge anything in USD in Colombia if I'm trying to make myself seem important / highball them.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2880283]Absolutely this. I only ever charge anything in USD in Colombia if I'm trying to make myself seem important / highball them.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the tips. I've been a few places around the globe that prefer US dollars so I wanted to check.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2880283]Absolutely this. I only ever charge anything in USD in Colombia if I'm trying to make myself seem important / highball them.[/QUOTE]Only pay in pesos. Don't flash dollars around because the price is getting driven up; Cartagena has been ruined because of this. And punters need to remember that girls will always high-ball you at the start of negotiations.

So there is a guy who came down here on the 20th and has been banging girls from Escort sites every night-- Celestina I think he has been using-- he had a threesome last night.

He has been here before and made some arrangements before his arrival.

I walked around Santa Fe yesterday and it was not bad-- I myself have been with some of my steady girls.

But with the exception of SF I think its best to use USD. This year I only had 5 trips to Colombia, all to Bog. The last 2 trips were is Sept. And Dec. Due to the many rookie guys going to Bogota this year I have seen a marked increase the amount the girls are asking of 500,600 cop and higher and I've seen an increase of them mentioning time limits too, something I never ran into before in Bog.

So by the time you change USD at the current exchange rate of 3,900 and you add in the vig of some 2000 per dollar your accepting 3700. And less if you add in the ATM charge so do the math how much your paying in cop 400,000 500,000 and even 600,000 and up, a crisp $100 bill is cheaper than pesos and some of these girls are not rocket scientist so, a US bill impressed them more that pesos. As stated above this is not recommended for SF and other casas but for chippers and non pros I recommend going back to USD, until the exchange rate goes back up.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2880512]Thanks for all the tips. I've been a few places around the globe that prefer US dollars so I wanted to check.[/QUOTE]They may prefer the US dollar where there are restrictions on currency exchange and they get more with US dollars than the official exchange rate indicates. But that is not the case in Colombia. So no, there is no advantage to taking foreign currency and having to get it exchanged versus just getting paid in your own currency. Colombia's currency trades freely on the world market so anyone taking dollars is either trying to beat you on the exchange rate and take advantage of your ignorance, or perhaps just trying to make it easier for you to pay them to get the money if you don't have pesos. But you're not likely to get any deals.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2880687]But with the exception of SF I think its best to use USD. This year I only had 5 trips to Colombia, all to Bog. The last 2 trips were is Sept. And Dec. Due to the many rookie guys going to Bogota this year I have seen a marked increase the amount the girls are asking of 500,600 cop and higher and I've seen an increase of them mentioning time limits too, something I never ran into before in Bog.

So by the time you change USD at the current exchange rate of 3,900 and you add in the vig of some 2000 per dollar your accepting 3700. And less if you add in the ATM charge so do the math how much your paying in cop 400,000 500,000 and even 600,000 and up, a crisp $100 bill is cheaper than pesos and some of these girls are not rocket scientist so, a US bill impressed them more that pesos. As stated above this is not recommended for SF and other casas but for chippers and non pros I recommend going back to USD, until the exchange rate goes back up.[/QUOTE]Alot of bad advice being given here on ISG. First of all if you are paying 500 k or 600 k then you are part of the problem.

These girls are only getting away with this shit because there are guys like you who are paying it. If you go back in time just a few years ago before the pandemic and before all the YouTube videos and subsequent passport bros and Makin' it rain motherfuxkers started showing up, (see recent video posted in Cartagena thread) none of these women were charging more than 200 k.

You coming down here paying 500 k or 600 k or even a "crisp $100 usd note" you are just enabling these women to rip you off. If we all got on the same page and all agreed to only pay 150 mil, then they would have to accept that price or they would starve. And I guarantee you that the local rolos are not paying these outrageous prices. $150 mil Is a generous amount for outcall and in the barrios with the locals that is more in line with the real prices, not your inflated gringo prices you quote that are fucking up the market.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2880696]Alot of bad advice being given here on ISG. First of all if you are paying 500 k or 600 k then you are part of the problem.

These girls are only getting away with this shit because there are guys like you who are paying it. If you go back in time just a few years ago before the pandemic and before all the YouTube videos and subsequent passport bros and Makin' it rain motherfuxkers started showing up, (see recent video posted in Cartagena thread) none of these women were charging more than 200 k.

You coming down here paying 500 k or 600 k or even a "crisp $100 usd note" you are just enabling these women to rip you off. If we all got on the same page and all agreed to only pay 150 mil, then they would have to accept that price or they would starve. And I guarantee you that the local rolos are not paying these outrageous prices. $150 mil Is a generous amount for outcall and in the barrios with the locals that is more in line with the real prices, not your inflated gringo prices you quote that are fucking up the market.[/QUOTE]First of all I've been going to Colombia longer than you have been alive, so I believe you have a lot of posts with limited knowledge. I have never paid in dollars anywhere! Or 400 600 cop. I have a list of favorites, non pros who until this year never even mentioned the high prices YOU Medellin squarters brought to Bogota. I only mentioned the cost of changing dollars to cop and the exchange rate they rip you off for. You really need to brush up on you reading comprehension, I said I have always paid in local currencies for the last 30 years. So if the knuckle heads who pay these girls 400 k and you Medellin guys continue doing it then AND ONLY THEN is it better to pay 100 USD than go through the exchange bull shit and pay 100 USD which after all the exchange bullshit shakes out to be around 3500 to a dollar for the guys like you who are paying hard core prepagos 400 and 500 in Medellin and bringing that shit here to Bogota. Pay attention now, stay with me on this. I SAID THEY PAY THESES GIRLS 400/500 cop not me, never have and never will. And I don't fuck hard core pros either like you and some others feed on. Now go get your shine box.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2880857]First of all I've been going to Colombia longer than you have been alive, so I believe you have a lot of posts with limited knowledge. I have never paid in dollars anywhere! Or 400 600 cop. I only mentioned the cost of changing dollars to cop and the exchange rate they rip you off for. You really need to brush up on you reading comprehension, I said I have always paid in local currencies for the last 30 years. So if the knuckle heads who pay these girls 400 k and you Medellin guys continue doing it then AND ONLY THEN is it better to pay 100 USD than go through the exchange bull shit and pay 100 USD which after all the exchange bullshit shakes out to be around 3500 to a dollar for the guys like you who are paying hard core prepagos 400 and 500 in Medellin and bringing that shit here to Bogota. Pay attention now, stay with me on this. I SAID THEY PAY THESES GIRLS 400/500 cop not me, never have and never will. And I don't fuck hard core pros either like you and some others feed on. Now go get your shine box.[/QUOTE]What noone seems to be mentioning here is you can still negotiate the price you want to pay in pesos then proceed to pay in the equivalent dollars. Don't bring only 100 dollar bills. Bring a bunch of 50 dollar bills and some 20's. Let the girls go exchange it. If a Casa girl quotes 120 k plus 80 k adicional for BBBJ. Give her a 50 dollar bill. Not rocket science.

If a centro girl quotes 80 k give her a 20 dollar bill. Lose way less money that way.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2880857]First of all I've been going to Colombia longer than you have been alive, so I believe you have a lot of posts with limited knowledge. I have never paid in dollars anywhere! Or 400 600 cop. I have a list of favorites, non pros who until this year never even mentioned the high prices YOU Medellin squarters brought to Bogota. I only mentioned the cost of changing dollars to cop and the exchange rate they rip you off for. You really need to brush up on you reading comprehension, I said I have always paid in local currencies for the last 30 years. So if the knuckle heads who pay these girls 400 k and you Medellin guys continue doing it then AND ONLY THEN is it better to pay 100 USD than go through the exchange bull shit and pay 100 USD which after all the exchange bullshit shakes out to be around 3500 to a dollar for the guys like you who are paying hard core prepagos 400 and 500 in Medellin and bringing that shit here to Bogota. Pay attention now, stay with me on this. I SAID THEY PAY THESES GIRLS 400/500 cop not me, never have and never will. And I don't fuck hard core pros either like you and some others feed on. Now go get your shine box.[/QUOTE]No need to be defensive. You pay too much and you know it. I remind you that the min legal wage in CO is 1 160 000 cop. That means that at the rate you pay, 2 sessions covers 1 month of basic salary. In no other country I visited, the ratio rato out of basic salary is so unfavorable. Bottom line, the usual 100 k cop 250 k cop remain largely well paid. Ideally price being below 100 k. There is a reason why locals pays low prices. You, you just contribute to messing up the market for local people and mindful foreigners. Rest assured that you are not the only culprit, others gringos have done that in MDE and Cartagena and then complaint endlessly on this same board. After the market is ruined, they move to another country. Thanks very much.

Let's see if am comprehending you right, in this post you say that you have never paid in US Dollars anywhere:

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2880857]I have never paid in dollars anywhere! [/QUOTE]However in your previous post from Yesterday you stated that you recommend "going back to the USD" in other words, paying in dollars.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2880687] I recommend going back to USD, until the exchange rate goes back up.[/QUOTE]So you are recommending to people who read ISG that they should do something that you claim that you yourself have never done?

How is this not giving bad advice? You should atleast have experience with something before you recommend others to do it. Paying for anything in Colombia with USD is not going to save anyone any money and it is not cheaper than using COP.

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[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2880897]What noone seems to be mentioning here is you can still negotiate the price you want to pay in pesos then proceed to pay in the equivalent dollars. Don't bring only 100 dollar bills. Bring a bunch of 50 dollar bills and some 20's. Let the girls go exchange it. If a Casa girl quotes 120 k plus 80 k adicional for BBBJ. Give her a 50 dollar bill. Not rocket science.

If a centro girl quotes 80 k give her a 20 dollar bill. Lose way less money that way.[/QUOTE]Right. So she asks 200 k, that is $52 dollars and change today. So you offer her $50 and she takes it? If so, yep, you win. But if she asks 200 k and you offer her 150 k she might take that. Anyway. I think that lots of them have a good idea of the current exchange rate, and if not they probably won't want dollars anyway. But all moot point to me. I certainly can't offer Canadian dollars, not even in the US. No one has any idea and they simply refuse. Which I understand. Anyway, the whole thing with US dollars just seems like arrogance to me.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2881324]Right. So she asks 200 k, that is $52 dollars and change today. So you offer her $50 and she takes it? If so, yep, you win. But if she asks 200 k and you offer her 150 k she might take that. Anyway. I think that lots of them have a good idea of the current exchange rate, and if not they probably won't want dollars anyway. But all moot point to me. I certainly can't offer Canadian dollars, not even in the US. No one has any idea and they simply refuse. Which I understand. Anyway, the whole thing with US dollars just seems like arrogance to me.[/QUOTE]They can't spend it anywhere, and there's a huge glut of USD on the market right now due to Colombias #1 export being pushed so heavily, so they will have to wait in line at a money exchange rate to get a real shitty rate for it.

This means that. If they're not utter morons. They HAVE to charge a premium to accept those USD. It's a lose / lose really.

Just use the ATMs to get COP.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2877664]What I was saying is that most pharmacies will sell you anything you ask for even if it is prescription only and you don't have a prescription. I've even been able to by opiate pain killers (hydrocodon) brand name dolex from just about any pharmacy in Medellin without a prescription eventhough it clearly says on the box "requiere receta medica".

Viagra (sildenafil) and Cialis (Taldalafil) are available in abundance without a prescription and for less than a dollar a pill. Quality generics are available from brands such as MK, Genfar, AG, and La Sante (the cheapest generic).

Also antibiotics such as azythromycin, doxycycline, antivirals such as valacyclovir, I have even ordered those thru rappi and had them delivered to me. Never once was I asked for a prescription eventhough they require a prescription. You just need the cash (efectivo).

Not sure if they have locations in Bogota but if you're ever in Medellin I recommend using this pharmacy Todo Drogas (see attached photo).[/QUOTE]At many of the pharmacies in the SF area You can get pain killers like Codiene, Tramadol, for so cheap a bottle of Tramadol drops is 7 mil and the codeien iis. 30 a pill.

And antibiotics -- listed above-- very economical--I pay about. 55 for 50 MG Viagra -- also there is a great deal on 5 MG generic Cialis. Or 20 MG if you like-.

Also Testoviron in a pre-loaded syring 250 MG is about $9-.

All without a pressciption-- Have a Better one!!

There is a lot being said about paying girls for their services. What is absolutely true is that the average American visiting Colombia is driving the market upwards. A lot of it is down to the laziness and arrogance of wanting to only pay in USD. The girls see the USD and start pricing in USD which basically ruins it for everyone else. I know this from first hand from several girls in Bogota and Cartagena. Medellin is bound to be the same. The other thing is that a lot of gringos cannot speak a word of Spanish so they cannot barter for a good price and instead just settle for whatever the girl says. Back in 2019, girls were doing overnights for 400.000 COP and now they are demanding 200 USD min, but price in USD.

Do us all a favour, use local currency and be a bit more aware of the fact that you are in Colombia and not the US, so do not try to compare the two markets. One of the reasons why guys like punting in Colombia is because of the amazing value. The moment you start offering USD, you ruin it for everyone else.

With $85 entry charge imposed on visitors from Canada, it is going to be expensive to visit Colombia multiple times in a year.

Does Colombia offer multiple entry visas good for few years?

I'm splitting my time between Bogota and Medellin and I am looking for recommendations on the best / safest places to find the ladies. Planning on staying at Tequendama Suites and Hotel. I'm not trying to nickel and dime things and I'd rather pay a little more for convenience and safety so if anyone has suggestions on places to visit I'd appreciate it. I prefer strip clubs (if they are reasonably safe) and "spa's" where I get to pick from a lineup.

No negative or sarcastic comments necessary as we are all just trying to be safe and share helpful information.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Stl24;2882151]I'm splitting my time between Bogota and Medellin and I am looking for recommendations on the best / safest places to find the ladies. Planning on staying at Tequendama Suites and Hotel. I'm not trying to nickel and dime things and I'd rather pay a little more for convenience and safety so if anyone has suggestions on places to visit I'd appreciate it. I prefer strip clubs (if they are reasonably safe) and "spa's" where I get to pick from a lineup.

No negative or sarcastic comments necessary as we are all just trying to be safe and share helpful information.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Living near Santa Fe Redlight area it is so easy to find super hot girls safely -- I have been doing it for 10+ years-.

If you like banging SGs Santa Fe is Fantastic-- you can find Hot Quality safe girls easily and pre qualify them for more expensive dates-.

Of course-- I don't think all guys can do this-- You have to have good Spanish, interpersonal skills and emotional intellegence-- Good Luck.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2882010]With $85 entry charge imposed on visitors from Canada, it is going to be expensive to visit Colombia multiple times in a year.

Does Colombia offer multiple entry visas good for few years?[/QUOTE]I agree! I might go less and stay longer, or explore other countries. I went 4 times in 2023, but only paid the last visit. Adding an extra $340 a year for nothing, just because Colombia is being vengeful towards our government is ridiculous to me. Why am I being penalized even more for spending money in Colombia. Flights are much more now too.

I know $340 is not a fortune, but it is my money.

Hey all, it's been a year since I was down there and have an upcoming trip going back in a couple of weeks. Cannot wait. This will be the 4th time in Bogota. Last time I was there, Fiebre and Troya were the pick of the clubs with Antonis a close 3rd followed by Venus being the one where you could find a diamond in the rough. Paisas and Texas were crap then. I'm guessing it's all still the same? Beers and water still a standard 10 k? I believe there was a club that had just opened across from Troya, right next to Venus on the Venus side of the street (pink pussycat or something or maybe I'm completely wrong on the name) but is that one any good yet??

Thanks for the info! Would you recommend walking the streets and picking a lady from the options standing out from of their buildings, hit up the strip clubs, or hit up the casas / spas?

I'll likely do some combination of all three. I figured I'd see what you (and everyone else) thought of those three different options.

I'm also curious how easy / difficult it is to bring back women to your hotel. I'm staying in a room with a jacuzzi / hot tub and I'd like to have some fun back there (unless anyone has strict points on why not to do this). I understand the importance of being safe and I have excellent situational awareness.

Thanks in advance everyone!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2882342]Living near Santa Fe Redlight area it is so easy to find super hot girls safely -- I have been doing it for 10+ years-.

If you like banging SGs Santa Fe is Fantastic-- you can find Hot Quality safe girls easily and pre qualify them for more expensive dates-.

Of course-- I don't think all guys can do this-- You have to have good Spanish, interpersonal skills and emotional intellegence-- Good Luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2881541]At many of the pharmacies in the SF area You can get pain killers like Codiene, Tramadol, for so cheap a bottle of Tramadol drops is 7 mil and the codeien iis. 30 a pill.

And antibiotics -- listed above-- very economical--I pay about. 55 for 50 MG Viagra -- also there is a great deal on 5 MG generic Cialis. Or 20 MG if you like-.

Also Testoviron in a pre-loaded syring 250 MG is about $9-.

All without a pressciption-- Have a Better one!![/QUOTE]The only thing I've struck out on is. Drum roll. Adderall! Apparently they just don't import it here.

Going to Bogota in a month. And I want to get a new whatsapp number. Apparently Sideline no longer works for getting a disposable US phone number for whatsapp. Any suggestions?

Of late I am trying to pipeline semi pros off of social media (Facebook and instagram) to fuck during my stay in Bogota. Got a bunch of responses from girls in medellin, but the response rate from Bogota girls is very very low.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2882764]Going to Bogota in a month. And I want to get a new whatsapp number. Apparently Sideline no longer works for getting a disposable US phone number for whatsapp. Any suggestions?

Of late I am trying to pipeline semi pros off of social media (Facebook and instagram) to fuck during my stay in Bogota. Got a bunch of responses from girls in medellin, but the response rate from Bogota girls is very very low.[/QUOTE]You can buy claro prepaid sim cards all over the place, claro stores and oxxo convenience stores are the most reliable. But virtually every Bodega sells them, I got one yesterday in Santa Fe since Claro stores are closed for the holiday. Make sure you register it or Claro will lock your phone out after a couple months and force you to go to them to fix it.

Bogota is notoriously weak for the online game, I'm going to try signing up to a bunch of dating apps as an experiment and see what I get for responses. I'll report back my findings.

Flew into Bogota for new years eve, dropped the luggage off at my airbnb and made it to Santa fe by 10 pm. Many of the clubs were closed compared to my last trip to Santa fe two years ago but the party on the street was wild. Lots of cuties, lots of fireworks and drinking. Felt like a big block party. I was jetlagged and sleep deprived so I didn't take any chicas to a room but I collected a couple numbers for later this week. Honestly wish I would have collected more because there was way more talent out than what I saw yesterday.

Mondays are usually pretty slow from what I remember but with the holiday lots of the women are still back home with family. Virtually zero car traffic reminded me of 2021. Still managed to find a couple flacas to my liking for un rato, paid 50 mil for one and 60 (+10 for the room) for the other. Found one 8+ (to me) who would only go for 200 mil for a hour wouldn't do short time. She was partying with her friends so I think she just didn't want to leave unless it was worth it.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2881541]At many of the pharmacies in the SF area You can get pain killers like Codiene, Tramadol, for so cheap a bottle of Tramadol drops is 7 mil and the codeien iis. 30 a pill.

And antibiotics -- listed above-- very economical--I pay about. 55 for 50 MG Viagra -- also there is a great deal on 5 MG generic Cialis. Or 20 MG if you like-.

Also Testoviron in a pre-loaded syring 250 MG is about $9-.

All without a pressciption-- Have a Better one!![/QUOTE]Also I just found out that you can get prescription weight loss / diabetes medications without a prescription for super cheap compared to US prices.

They have the Saxenda once daily injection pen (similar to Ozempic and Wegovy) for only $178 k ($45 usd). And they have Rybelsus which is the same identical medication as wegovy but in pill form for $566 k ($145 usd) for a one month supply. These meds cost thousands of dollars in the US.

I actually am thinking about maybe trying the Saxenda pen as I would like to lose about 30-40 lbs myself. I might take it the rest of the time I'm here to see if I could lose some weight. Not sure if I could bring some back to the US with me when I leave to go work though since I don't have a prescription and would hate to have CBP confiscate it from me upon entering the US. Although it probably wouldn't be too hard to get a doctor here in Colombia to write me a prescription for it and then carry that with the pens in case if I get asked if I have a prescription for it.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2882764]Going to Bogota in a month. And I want to get a new whatsapp number. Apparently Sideline no longer works for getting a disposable US phone number for whatsapp. Any suggestions?

Of late I am trying to pipeline semi pros off of social media (Facebook and instagram) to fuck during my stay in Bogota. Got a bunch of responses from girls in medellin, but the response rate from Bogota girls is very very low.[/QUOTE]Try TextNow for WhatsApp.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2882764]Going to Bogota in a month. And I want to get a new whatsapp number. Apparently Sideline no longer works for getting a disposable US phone number for whatsapp. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]When you get to Bogota, you can go to an OFFICIAL Claro store (I go to the one in the Andino Mall) with a copy of your passport. Then, let them set you up. Pay few mil for a SIM. Pre-pay around 42 K for 30 days of around 12 or 14 Gigs, with unlimited talk and text. Or 30 something K for limited talk and text.

Then use the local Colombian number to set up a WhatsApp account. The number will expire in about a year if you don't reload.

Contrary to what is recommended here, don't buy a cheap burner phone. Spend $500 rather than $100. Buy one with a good camera. You never know when you will want to take pictures/videos.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2882764]Going to Bogota in a month. And I want to get a new whatsapp number. Apparently Sideline no longer works for getting a disposable US phone number for whatsapp. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Google Voice.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2882796]Try TextNow for WhatsApp.[/QUOTE]Tried it, didn't work.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2882802]Tried it, didn't work.[/QUOTE]Its better to have a +57 number anyways for your WhatsApp. After you arrive you can buy a claro or Tigo Sim card for as little as 4 k pesos. Then put a cheap package on it for as little as 3 k pesos and put it in your phone. Then you can use that new Colombian number to register your WhatsApp.

Make sure to register your imei number within 30 days so your phone doesn't get blocked. There's info here in the forum about how to do that.

[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]who say that having a Colombian number I'd not better than having a +1 number, however they are full of shit. If you have a +1 numbers the girls you communicate with will think you are a gringo and will try to charge you like double what it should be. I believe JJBee62 in his own defense said he didn't see a difference in price when using a +57 vs a +1 phone number, but he also said he doesn't speak or write much Spanish and doesn't know local phrases and / or words, so really he was always paying a gringo tax to begin with and thus for him even a +57 number couldn't help him. But if you have a decent command of Spanish and use a +57 WhatsApp you should be able to pull Facebook girls for 120 k - 150 k instead of 250 k. Take it or leave it.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2882607]Thanks for the info! Would you recommend walking the streets and picking a lady from the options standing out from of their buildings, hit up the strip clubs, or hit up the casas / spas?

I'll likely do some combination of all three. I figured I'd see what you (and everyone else) thought of those three different options.

I'm also curious how easy / difficult it is to bring back women to your hotel. I'm staying in a room with a jacuzzi / hot tub and I'd like to have some fun back there (unless anyone has strict points on why not to do this). I understand the importance of being safe and I have excellent situational awareness.

Thanks in advance everyone![/QUOTE]You should bring girls back to Teqendama suites after you get to know them. THe hotel is girl friendly, during the day it is free to have guests. The hotel has good security. Get to know the staff and tip them-.

To get street girls you have to make friends with them do quickee sessions in the rooms there. I love finding hot streetie Sweeties-- You can find new girls often.

Go at 5-6 pm for fantastic girl watching and Banging-- Also lunch hour can be great too-- The 1st and 15th are paydays and the SGs come out.

Do this in clubs and casas too. Build your stable. I love Santa Fe because it is so close to where I live-- Great Sexy Time Convenience. I Love Hot Cheap Sex.

Tinder is another good idea-- set up an account to mac to some girls before you get here-- I don't do Tinder but other guys have had sucess-- I just go to Santa Fe, it's enough for me.

Escorts are another great option-- My friend just left the other day. He was banging 2-3 girls everyday from the 20th to the 30th-- Really hot talent from Celestina. He is all set up with them and gets real photos of new girls from the managers.

Teqendama Suites is about 5+ minute walk to the north stroll. All the clubs are there-- Every day can be the time of your life.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2882802]Tried it, didn't work.[/QUOTE]I have 3 whatsapp numbers and one of them is with textnow. I think I had to upgrade to the $5 a year plan. Don't be cheap it's worth it. Plus they send you a sim to activate it as an option on a phone and not only via the app.

[QUOTE=Mseasox;2879549]A friend and I took our premier trip to CO a couple of weeks ago. OUr route was Bogo to Medellin to Cartagena and back to Bogo. We liked the food scene in Bogo, but really that's about it. I know some on here like the clubs (Troyas, Fiebre, and others), and we checked them out but I'd give them a hard pass unless you're desperate. The area does not feel safe. The three clubs we went into before Fiebre were seedy and dirty. Fiebre was okay, and the door staff were super pleasant. But still didn't care for the area very much. We stayed in Hotel be Virrey on the first leg. Small rooms, but nice hotel. Great area of town. Lots of bars / clubs / restaurants. We stayed at Tequendama Suites on the last leg. Also liked it. Rooms large and well-kept. Area around the hotel not nearly as interesting or as pleasant as Parque Virrey area near Hotel be Virrey. Views of the mountains were great from T. Suites. We brought our own girls from Medellin on the last leg. I had checked out [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] before we went to Bogo, but prices were high for ST and even higher for LT, either that or the girls were looking for permanent support. So we didn't end up seeing anyone from Seeking.

And there's the kicker: if you're going to Colombia to have fun, Medellin and Cartagena have so much more to offer. Yes, in the way of female companionship, but not limited to that. Food was excellent. Lots of tourist things to do. Communa 13. Walking around El Poblado. Even the Escobar museum (which is a bit of a rip-off). As to the females, well, just look out your door and they are waiting for you. Or hang out in one of the bars / restaurants off Parque Lleras and just watch the goings on. And the pricing is very reasonable compared to my home country (USA). Cartagena has a ton of things to do, and the ladies are just waiting for you to say "hola" and then off you go. Beach and snorkelling in Carta. Seaside meals. World Heritage site. Etc. Nothing like this in Bogo.

So, next trip, we have decided to give bogo a pass, and just start off in Medellin.

BTW, if you are in Medellin, there are some massage shops that people on this forum have mentioned, including (especially) Energy Spa. I thought Energy was a big "meh. " The massage itself wasn't much, and the more interesting parts were mechanical and boring. Nothing erotic about it. Can say though that the place itself is nice. Large, private rooms with shower, very clean, pleasant staff. But honestly, you are better off just grabbing one of the massage girls in Poblado / Provenza. Had a nice experience with one of those.

As with all subject reviews, ymmv.

Compared.[/QUOTE]This was really helpful. I'm a veteran of MDE. It's the only city I've visited in Colombia. Long story but my mongering days might be ending soon, involuntarily. I'm heading back to MDE for possibly the last time. I considered several other locations but none of them beat Medellin for my style. But I'm still in the mood for something different or new. I thought maybe I could take a trip to Bogota or CTG while in country. The flights are cheap, even if it's just a 2 day side trip. So I've read ALOT of pages here re: BOG. Frankly, I'm not overly enthusiastic. Am I missing something? Sounds like Fiebre or Troya might be the most attractive options. I'm not into SGs much. Casas are hit or miss for me; not worth the hassle of an extra couple flights, imo. Is there anything in Bogota that would be significantly better than what is available in MDE?

For example, my initial plan was a trip to Rio, which I've visited before. But was going to make a side trip to Sao Paolo specifically for Scandallo. Anything similar to warrant a trip to BOG? (I know there's oi Scandallo there; I'm just looking for something extra if this is my last hurrah.).

Thanks for all the info and tips! I'm sure I'll have more questions before my trip haha.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2882811] Every day can be the time of your life.[/QUOTE]

Hi friends,

Until now I have traveled mainly to Eastern Europe for pussy. As things got complicated there I have scheduled my first trip to Bogota at the end of January. Having no regional experience and no language and being slightly cowardly, I would like to use delivery service ie using an agency (at least for the beginning). Is there an agency one of you can recommend or on to avoid at any costs? Thank you all in advance. GE.

In my experience in Santa Fe you can hit it off real well with a Venezuelan street hottie and be denied entrance to Tequendama Suites even if she has a Venezuelan ID proving her age. Colombian girls are the safer bet because they are allowed in with their Colombian ID / Cedula. The Venezuelan girls you can take them to the love motels in the area or nicer ones in Chapinero.

[QUOTE=GoEast;2883025]Hi friends,

Until now I have traveled mainly to Eastern Europe for pussy. As things got complicated there I have scheduled my first trip to Bogota at the end of January. Having no regional experience and no language and being slightly cowardly, I would like to use delivery service ie using an agency (at least for the beginning). Is there an agency one of you can recommend or on to avoid at any costs? Thank you all in advance. GE.[/QUOTE][URL]https://eroticasbogota.com/[/URL] gets good reviews. Be aware you'd need to provide your real name and the hotel / airbnb you're staying at, otherwise they won't do business with you.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2882809]who say that having a Colombian number I'd not better than having a +1 number, however they are full of shit. If you have a +1 numbers the girls you communicate with will think you are a gringo and will try to charge you like double what it should be. But if you have a decent command of Spanish and use a +57 WhatsApp you should be able to pull Facebook girls for 120 k - 150 k instead of 250 k. Take it or leave it.[/QUOTE]That is only if you do not know what you should be paying. If someone tells you 500 K and you say ok then that is your own damn fault. If you say jajaja claro que no: 120 k, that is a different story. If you have a decent command of Spanish and know what the hell you are talking about, then you should not even have a problem if you are messaging from the moon.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2882915]This was really helpful. I'm a veteran of MDE. It's the only city I've visited in Colombia. Long story but my mongering days might be ending soon, involuntarily. I'm heading back to MDE for possibly the last time. I considered several other locations but none of them beat Medellin for my style. But I'm still in the mood for something different or new. I thought maybe I could take a trip to Bogota or CTG while in country. The flights are cheap, even if it's just a 2 day side trip. So I've read ALOT of pages here re: BOG. Frankly, I'm not overly enthusiastic. Am I missing something? Sounds like Fiebre or Troya might be the most attractive options. I'm not into SGs much. Casas are hit or miss for me; not worth the hassle of an extra couple flights, imo. Is there anything in Bogota that would be significantly better than what is available in MDE?

For example, my initial plan was a trip to Rio, which I've visited before. But was going to make a side trip to Sao Paolo specifically for Scandallo. Anything similar to warrant a trip to BOG? (I know there's oi Scandallo there; I'm just looking for something extra if this is my last hurrah.).[/QUOTE]YMMV as always.

I don't do p4 p in Medellíand at all. I always have local FWB when I go there, and I find p4 p in Medellíand boring.

I love the Pussy House experience in Bogotá. A lot of people here seem to not love it.

I love Bogotá's weather and Medellíand is a little too hot for me. Once again, YMMV.

Thank you very much! Will try and report back!

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;2883107][URL]https://eroticasbogota.com/[/URL] gets good reviews. Be aware you'd need to provide your real name and the hotel / airbnb you're staying at, otherwise they won't do business with you.[/QUOTE]

A few weeks ago when I was staying in Chapinero, I was walking around a little after 9 in the morning, looking for some of the casas I saw listed on the puti mapa. They're a little easier to find (with the help of the map) than I feared they would be, since you can see their doors left slightly open, with loud music playing from inside (which is really noticeable in the morning).

I was expecting a more house-like feel to these "casas". Even though they look like houses / apartments from the outside, on the inside they're like clubs: dance club / bar furniture, serving drinks, dim lighting, loud music (and often multiple tv screens showing porn.) They ask you if you'd like a drink when you walk in. When you tell them you'd like to see the chicas, a guy starts clapping and yelling for "the dancers" to come present themselves.

Most of the places seemed to operate from 9 am to 11 pm. These were the establishments I found open after a few minutes of walking around, before I decided to stick with one and get myself a chica:

Palma Real (Cra. 15 #66-17):

This is a green house with a white door. There was a guy with an umbrella standing outside, inviting men to come inside to check out girls. Supposedly there are more casas on the opposite side of the street, but I couldn't tell if they were open or not. When I went inside for the chicas presentation, there were 4 working at that time. They didn't seem particularly excited to be there, maybe it was too early in the morning for them, LOL. One chica with braces at least was smiling at me, but I was turned off by the general lack of enthusiasm and friendliness, so I left.

Angelitas (CL. 64 #15-16):

A small door among a cluster of businesses. This place looked like the others inside, maybe even a little nicer, but the only person there was a woman mopping the floors. She said "yes we're open, but none of the girls are here yet. By 1 pm they should show up".

Bar 64 (CL. 64 #14-66):

On the same street as Angelitas and Rosquillas, about a block away. Seemed open from the outside, but I didn't look inside this one. On a different evening I saw a group of guys hanging out in front of this place, so it seems to be popular / active.

Rosquillas 64 (CL. 64 #15-30):

Another establishment just a few doors down from Angelitas. This one had 5 chicas of various looks working at the time, including a fatty if you're into big girls (something I haven't seen before at any casa / massage parlor.) One by one they came up to introduce themselves to me with a friendly and eager vibe, lots of lingering eye contact and handshakes. There was also a 6th girl there who was absolutely stunning, looked like a model, but she didn't get up to come greet me and wouldn't even look in my direction. Maybe she wasn't actually a working girl, or maybe she was waiting for a client who had a reservation with her. I asked the guy running the place if there were any more chicas, he said that "there will be many more and hotter ones by around 1 pm".

Two out of the five were very much to my liking, so I flipped a coin and chose one to go with. She was cute, tall, nice body, late 20's, and very friendly right from the initial introduction. My intuition was telling me she would be fun and affectionate. She led me upstairs to a surprisingly big room with a nice big bed and its own bathroom. The price was 100 k for 1 hour, including massage, CBJ, and sexo, with 2 pops. We talked extras, and I agreed to +30 k for kissing and another 30 k for BBBJ.

She gave GREAT head. When she noticed how much I was enjoying it, she just kept going and going, giggling while I was writhing and moaning in pleasure. I told her if she didn't stop I was going to cum, and she just kept giving me more. Finally I made her stop because I wanted to fuck. She told me, "you better get on top, because if we start out with me on top you'll cum right away. " "Is that so? You seem really confident in yourself" I told her, and she just nodded and kept chuckling proudly and knowingly. I should have asked her to prove it just for fun, but instead took her advice and had a lot of fun on top of her for a few minutes until I couldn't take it anymore and shot my load.

After that she massaged me for a bit, then I massaged her, and we talked a lot. She's from Venezuela, and was going back to her country in a few days for a month of vacation. Unintentionally, more than half the working girls I've been with while in Colombia have turned out to be Venezuelan. Often they will ask me if they are the first Venezuelan I have met or been with, and of course I always tell them yes, LOL.

She talked about how many of her friends and family live in the USA Now, and how she wants to move there, but the passport is expensive and "the trip through the jungle" is expensive and long and dangerous. She talked a lot about money, how she's working to support her whole family back home, and how much she wants a boyfriend (and wants to ask Santa Claus for a boyfriend for Christmas).

After that we went another round, with her on top this time. She worked her hips on me good and played with her clit until she came. Then she wanted me doggy style, and soon there came the knock on the door. "I'll be right there" she called out, then told me "cum for me" and I obliged. We cleaned up and got dressed, and exchanged numbers so we could stay in touch.

I tipped her an extra 20 k for the great service. The experience was very much worth the 180 k, and I'd be happy to go back in the future to session with her again and try out other girls there. If I get a chance to go back there before I leave, or check out more of the casas in Chapinero, I'll write another report.

I'm in a similar situation (minus the slightly cowardly part. I'd classify myself as cautious and hyper aware) as you so I am curious to see how your experience is if you choose to share your experiences from your trip. Which I hope you do. Good luck and safe travels!

[QUOTE=GoEast;2883025]Hi friends,

Until now I have traveled mainly to Eastern Europe for pussy. As things got complicated there I have scheduled my first trip to Bogota at the end of January. Having no regional experience and no language and being slightly cowardly, I would like to use delivery service ie using an agency (at least for the beginning). Is there an agency one of you can recommend or on to avoid at any costs? Thank you all in advance. GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stl24;2878688]Great post and super helpful! I will be taking a trip down to Bogota in a few months and I found this review extremely helpful. If you (or anyone else) has an tips for me I'd gladly take them. I'm quite experienced with mongering in the US, Europe, and the one trip I've made to South America (Quito, Ecuador). Any tips, tricks, or hints about Bogota would be great and appreciated. Thanks and stay safe out there![/QUOTE]Thank you! Glad you liked the report and found it helpful.

Here's my advice for newcomers, from the limited time I have spent in Colombia:

1. Be cautious. Colombia is a very dangerous country, and Colombians will be the first to admit this. Bogota has a high violent crime rate, and if you look in the Medellin thread you'll see that it's absolutely full of reports of robberies, druggings, kidnappings, and deaths. Whether it's getting mugged on the street, held hostage by a fake taxi, or drugged by hookers, there are lots of dangers to look out for. Don't take unneccessary risks that make it easier for bad people to take advantage of you or hurt you ("No dar papaya".) Do your research on this forum and elsewhere beforehand about the threats here and how to best avoid them.

2. Learn as much Spanish as you possibly can before you arrive. It will help you get around easier, and will improve your interaction with the chicas.

3. Take Ubers everywhere you need to go. They're much safer than walking around (especially at night). Uber is also safer than taxis, which can sometimes overcharge naive tourists, and there are even stories of fake taxis robbing and kidnapping unsuspecting passengers. Ubers are so ridiculously cheap here in Colombia, so there's no reason not to.

4. If you don't already use Whatsapp, install it and start learning to use it. It's what everyone down here uses to communicate. Go to a store for one of the local phone companies (Claro, MoviStar, etc.) to get a sim card for a local number and service if you will be staying for a few weeks or more.

5. In Bogota, the north end of the city (Usaquen, Zona T, Parque 93, etc.) is the rich and "safe" area. The neighborhoods get poorer and more dangerous the further south you go. Chapinero isn't too bad. Candelaria, Santa Fe, and other central neighborhoods are bad. Further south than those are worse.

6. Working girls are available all over the city through escort services / websites, dating apps, massage parlors / spas / strip clubs /"casas" (ho' houses), and the street. The highest concentration I know of are in Santa Fe and Chapinero.

Good luck, have fun, be safe, and write reports of your visit!

Looks like the new mayor is shaking up Cartagenas Centro clubs, don't know if it's a complete shutdown or relocation.

Could it lead to more talent coming to Bogota? I only want to CAR but the girls seemed softer around the edges so I don't see them going to Santa Fe maybe the Usaquen, Chapinero clubs.

Photo attached is an example of the new art work they are doing in Bogotá-- new murals all over downtown.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2882915]This was really helpful. I'm a veteran of MDE. It's the only city I've visited in Colombia. snip
For example, my initial plan was a trip to Rio, which I've visited before. But was going to make a side trip to Sao Paolo specifically for Scandallo. Anything similar to warrant a trip to BOG? (I know there's oi Scandallo there; I'm just looking for something extra if this is my last hurrah.).[/QUOTE]Just sayin' It takes 4 more hours to get to Brazil. I think you know there is nothing in Bogota and very little in Medellin (SA or La Isla sorting thru the plastic) nothing like Brazil. Alas you don't have to go to Scandallo to find a 10 in Sao Paulo, some are off the charts. Quality girls are less expensive than Colombia, although far from cheap.

Medellin has much nicer scenery and girls are hit or miss but they ARE there, it's just not point and shoot like Brazil. Cartagena might be nice also. I plan to go there on my next trip.

If this was my last trip I would go to Rio / Sao Paulo and never return. Right now it's summer and too hot for me because I want to do some island hoping and cruises.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2883859]

Medellin ... girls are hit or miss but they ARE there, it's just not point and shoot like Brazil. .[/QUOTE]What are you saying? That Brazilians provide on average better service? Or that there is more choice than in Med?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2883859]Quality girls are less expensive than Colombia, although far from cheap..[/QUOTE]Meaning how much exactly and where do you find them?

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2883868]What are you saying? That Brazilians provide on average better service? Or that there is more choice than in Med?

Meaning how much exactly and where do you find them?[/QUOTE]This guy just does SA-- so that is all he knows-.

Weekend definitely brought some better quality chicas, especially in the evening / night. Everyone saying starting Monday (Jan 8th) things should be fully back to normal. It's a trade off, more chicas and restaurants reopening for business but also a lot more traffic. I still found plenty of women to my liking including a few special ones I'll stay in contact with for when I return in March.

Prices for street workers were 40 or 50 mil (+10 for hotel) for 15 minutes, with some negotiation you can get some to do the same rate for 30 minutes. I was paying 80-100 mil for a hour. All were 6-8's to me age 18-22. Most were standard service but if they take a liking to ya they offer a few more things off menu. Work on your Spanish fellas, I wish I would have practiced more before coming here as it really pays dividends.

Favorite restaurant: the king shawarma.

Favorite loop: north. Sure you can save a few mil in the south but quality was consistently better in the north.

Favorite pharmacy: Drogueria Suramerica Bogota DC, corner of 22 and 16. Cheapest generic cialis and had good prices on a couple other products.

Favorite approach: sample a chica short time for 50, collect whatsapp / facebook if theyre good and negotiate a time at my hotel of choice for a hour next time. Rather meet them in the morning / early afternoon before the shift starts. Also they're usually more inclined to agree to your price.

Off to Brazil will post updates there.

I will in Bogota overnight on my way to another city. I have previously stayed in Chapinero and 93 areas. I am familiar with Santa Fe but have never really stayed at the Teqendama hotel or the Teq Suites or ibis hotel.

I am looking for a nice hotel to spend the night near the airport. Anything that is chica friendly and not too shabby. Any info on urban26 or Hilton garden inn near the airport?

Fascinating read. Written by some Captain Savaho.

[URL]https://inlovelyblue.com/dating-a-venezuelan-prostitute-from-santa-fe-bogota/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2882915]This was really helpful. I'm a veteran of MDE. It's the only city I've visited in Colombia. Long story but my mongering days might be ending soon, involuntarily. I'm heading back to MDE for possibly the last time. I considered several other locations but none of them beat Medellin for my style. But I'm still in the mood for something different or new. I thought maybe I could take a trip to Bogota or CTG while in country. The flights are cheap, even if it's just a 2 day side trip. So I've read ALOT of pages here re: BOG. Frankly, I'm not overly enthusiastic. Am I missing something? Sounds like Fiebre or Troya might be the most attractive options.

For example, my initial plan was a trip to Rio, which I've visited before. But was going to make a side trip to Sao Paolo specifically for Scandallo. Anything similar to warrant a trip to BOG? (I know there's oi Scandallo there; I'm just looking for something extra if this is my last hurrah.).[/QUOTE]Dcirst, I make all these comments to Don Carlos that cannot be proved and he sees the same thing I do. One comment I made is the women off seeking are way better than run of the mill hookers. Another I made is the women in Brazil give better head than any other women in the world. Guys ask me how I can say that and Don does like me and sees the same thing. He usually hangs out longer in these spots than I do though and does it bigger, better, and deeper than I did.

Thing is Bogota is the same flight time from Miami as it is from Houston, so it is a great place. Given how sweet, cultured, giving, and friendly many of the women are there, I think it is a great place to find a girlfriend. It is also a great place that is a short flight from Miami where you can get laid for less than $20.

Sao Paulo is a dump. There is way too much pollution, too much traffic, too few open spaces, and the crime is through the roof. As beautiful as Rio is, that is how ugly Sao Paulo is. But for women, it has the best looking and best performing women in the world, and it is not close. Colombia cannot hold a candle to SP and neither can Rio. If you think you have had the Brazilian experience because you have been to Rio, you have not. Rio was such a let down after SP.

If it is strictly a sexcation, and you only have a weekend, Colombia is fine. If you have a week, do Sao Paulo. If you want a diversion from that pit of a city, grab a woman or three from SP and head to Florianpolis. That is the kind of trip to take that is the ultimate send off.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2884284]Fascinating read. Written by some Captain Savaho.

[URL]https://inlovelyblue.com/dating-a-venezuelan-prostitute-from-santa-fe-bogota/[/URL][/QUOTE]Typical soja boy trying to be the white knight hero. At least he seems to have understood that it never works like he saw in the disneys.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2884284]Fascinating read. Written by some Captain Savaho.

[URL]https://inlovelyblue.com/dating-a-venezuelan-prostitute-from-santa-fe-bogota/[/URL][/QUOTE]Just keep in mind that like with everything else in life there are two sides of the story.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2884284]Fascinating read. Written by some Captain Savaho.

[URL]https://inlovelyblue.com/dating-a-venezuelan-prostitute-from-santa-fe-bogota/[/URL][/QUOTE]I think he has a short time hotel. Mixed up with a brothel. Obviously if she is standing outside in front then it's not a brothel because she would be inside if it were, it is most likely a short time hotel she is standing in front of since she is outside, and she is a street girl not a casa girl.

Also Bogota isn't even that cold. It is a cooler climate but it's not any colder than San Francisco, CA. He repeatedly states that it is freezing as if it's Anchorage, AK.

This guy obviously doesn't know wtf he is talking about and it's boring and too much to read, he took a hooker out to dinner big fucking deal LOL. He should have just fucked her like any normal person would.

It's been a while and I can't seem to find the post I referenced despite searching for it but I've got written down in my notes that someone had posted that the Hyatt place Bogota / convention center did not charge a visitor fee as long as the girl didn't stay overnight. If they stayed overnight I wrote down it was 35 k but that you could also walk them in and just bypass the front desk completely but then you'the miss out on the safety aspect of the girl checking in. If you had to stay close to the airport then this one's only a little further down than your Hilton one.

It seems like you're already familiar with Bogota but have you considered going to the Tequendema or the Ibis and just having a girl come there. The ibis is nice enough. I wouldn't say it's Hilton standard but it's family and business friendly so the rooms are nice enough without being luxurious and it's girl friendly. There's also a small bar / dining area downstairs and a sitting area you could meet the girl at. As long as it's before 9/10 pm'ish the doors remain open. When I've come back from SF after midnight at sone point they lock the doors so you can only enter with a key.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2884258]I will in Bogota overnight on my way to another city. I have previously stayed in Chapinero and 93 areas. I am familiar with Santa Fe but have never really stayed at the Teqendama hotel or the Teq Suites or ibis hotel.

I am looking for a nice hotel to spend the night near the airport. Anything that is chica friendly and not too shabby. Any info on urban26 or Hilton garden inn near the airport?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;2884328]Just keep in mind that like with everything else in life there are two sides of the story.[/QUOTE]And this is the key line of the story, "She may or may not yet see it, but her current career is a dead end. It leads nowhere. And as her external beauty fades, as it does for all of us, she would slip further into poverty. But I didn't say that. ".

This is the key line this guy says. He does not get about Venezuela and Venezuelans. The guy is from Australia. For the most part, if you were in Australia, and you worked hard and were smart, you could succeed.

Venezuela is the polar opposite. If you worked hard and succeeded, you were going to get fucked by the government and have everything taken from you. In Venezuela, people are eating out of garbage cans, and she wants her family not to be like that. She does not have the luxury of thinking about a career.

You do not invest in people who do not believe in long term. If you want to invest in a woman, which he is thinking about doing, find somebody who believes long term is possible. In Colombia, that would be someone in college or who has gone to college and is working.

I have done this the wrong way and the right way, and this is the wrong way. Rich Cooper of the Manosphere is always saying you cannot buy genuine burning desire, and he is right, and that is what this guy is trying to do. He really screwed up here:

The Uber arrived at her 'home' and she typed a message on my phones translator before quickly trying to get it back and delete the message, so I couldn't read it. It was asking for money because she hadn't worked that day and she sends her earnings home to Venezuela, for her family.

It was pocket change to me and I chased her as she leapt out of the Uber to gladly give it to her. End of link.

She actually was conflicted about using this guy as an ATM, and he let her know he wanted to be one. Big mistake. Now he is done. This is not going to end well.

Hey All you Naughty Girl Lovers-.

I'm looking for Apartment buildings that do AirBnb style rentals that Are Not AirBnb-.

I know there is one in Chapinero but the name and info has escaped me-.

Also any other areas are also wanted-.

Thanks in Advance.

P.S.-- Action is Starting out Fantastic for 2024.

Pricewise, both Ibis and Teq seem very reasonable. Its just one night, can't go wrong with either one I think. I am not concerned as much with chica friendly since I am booking for 2 and I will be checkin with the chica. The location is a issue though. I want to be at a place where I can go out for dinner. Nothing fancy like park 93 area but like the zona gourmet in chapinero or some restaurants. I am assuming Teq and Ibis do not serve this purpose?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2884353]It's been a while and I can't seem to find the post I referenced despite searching for it but I've got written down in my notes that someone had posted that the Hyatt place Bogota / convention center did not charge a visitor fee as long as the girl didn't stay overnight. If they stayed overnight I wrote down it was 35 k but that you could also walk them in and just bypass the front desk completely but then you'the miss out on the safety aspect of the girl checking in. If you had to stay close to the airport then this one's only a little further down than your Hilton one.

It seems like you're already familiar with Bogota but have you considered going to the Tequendema or the Ibis and just having a girl come there. The ibis is nice enough. I wouldn't say it's Hilton standard but it's family and business friendly so the rooms are nice enough without being luxurious and it's girl friendly. There's also a small bar / dining area downstairs and a sitting area you could meet the girl at. As long as it's before 9/10 pm'ish the doors remain open. When I've come back from SF after midnight at sone point they lock the doors so you can only enter with a key.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

You're correct for dinner. Not a lot but not sure of your taste and budget. There's a pizza / pasta place (Archie's) below the hotel which is honestly kinda mediocre. Right across from Ibis are 2-3 restaurants on Transverse 6. Okay'ish Asian at la lonchera. Nice enough for a quick meal. Not really for a date. Restaurant republik looks good for a date type thing though I've never been inside just looks nice from the outside. If you're okay with pub food there's a BBC just up the road from them both with some great craft beers. There's a really cute street Calle 30 going up to the La Perseverencia market (which itself is fantastic but only open for breakfast / lunch). That little stretch of Calle 30 is really an up and coming, trendy, restaurant row type area but I believe they're only for the lunch hours. You'the have to check. If they do dinner then that little stretch has about 8-10 restaurants and would be perfect.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2884617]Pricewise, both Ibis and Teq seem very reasonable. Its just one night, can't go wrong with either one I think. I am not concerned as much with chica friendly since I am booking for 2 and I will be checkin with the chica. The location is a issue though. I want to be at a place where I can go out for dinner. Nothing fancy like park 93 area but like the zona gourmet in chapinero or some restaurants. I am assuming Teq and Ibis do not serve this purpose?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2884617]Pricewise, both Ibis and Teq seem very reasonable. Its just one night, can't go wrong with either one I think. I am not concerned as much with chica friendly since I am booking for 2 and I will be checkin with the chica. The location is a issue though. I want to be at a place where I can go out for dinner. Nothing fancy like park 93 area but like the zona gourmet in chapinero or some restaurants. I am assuming Teq and Ibis do not serve this purpose?[/QUOTE]If you like seafood I recommend Gostinos Restaurant Seafood.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2884448]She does not have the luxury of thinking about a career.

You do not invest in people who do not believe in long term. If you want to invest in a woman, which he is thinking about doing, find somebody who believes long term is possible. In Colombia, that would be someone in college or who has gone to college and is working.[/QUOTE]Hooking can be a relatively well paid (compared to local salaries) career for 10 years or so. Yes a lot of hookers just blow the money as soon as they get it but I know some that do think long term, even the street hookers, eg they are regularly exchanging up money to usd and saving that up to buy a house in Venezuela, or another that has a child and invests in his education, taking him up to various extra classes etc. Some, as they approach their 30's and see reduced income enroll in classes then, to try be veterinarians, nurses etc.

Plenty of great places downtown-.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery.

There are 3 bakerys down the street on 22-- On kr 7 several parrillas and Florida bakery -restaurant which is a good white linen type restaurant -- And much more south and there is a new Mexican place I saw on kr5 near Bacata.

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294074-d20283494-Reviews-Casa_De_Rey-Bogota.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoEast;2883025]Hi friends,

Until now I have traveled mainly to Eastern Europe for pussy. As things got complicated there I have scheduled my first trip to Bogota at the end of January. Having no regional experience and no language and being slightly cowardly, I would like to use delivery service ie using an agency (at least for the beginning). Is there an agency one of you can recommend or on to avoid at any costs? Thank you all in advance. GE.[/QUOTE]I personally like LaCelestina. A great variety of pretty girls! Website: lacelestina. Co.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2884837]Plenty of great places downtown-.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery.

There are 3 bakerys down the street on 22-- On kr 7 several parrillas and Florida bakery -restaurant which is a good white linen type restaurant -- And much more south and there is a new Mexican place I saw on kr5 near Bacata.

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294074-d20283494-Reviews-Casa_De_Rey-Bogota.html[/URL][/QUOTE]That place on 7 and 22 is AWESOME!

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2884661]You're correct for dinner. Not a lot but not sure of your taste and budget. There's a pizza / pasta place (Archie's) below the hotel which is honestly kinda mediocre. Right across from Ibis are 2-3 restaurants on Transverse 6. Okay'ish Asian at la lonchera. Nice enough for a quick meal. Not really for a date. Restaurant republik looks good for a date type thing though I've never been inside just looks nice from the outside. If you're okay with pub food there's a BBC just up the road from them both with some great craft beers. There's a really cute street Calle 30 going up to the La Perseverencia market (which itself is fantastic but only open for breakfast / lunch). That little stretch of Calle 30 is really an up and coming, trendy, restaurant row type area but I believe they're only for the lunch hours. You'the have to check. If they do dinner then that little stretch has about 8-10 restaurants and would be perfect.[/QUOTE]There are a ton of places right next to the Ibis too actually, and a Wok just up the road right behind the museum.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2884923]That place on 7 and 22 is AWESOME![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chelovec;2884881]I personally like LaCelestina. A great variety of pretty girls! Website: lacelestina. Co.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2884837]Plenty of great places downtown-.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery.

There are 3 bakerys down the street on 22-- On kr 7 several parrillas and Florida bakery -restaurant which is a good white linen type restaurant -- And much more south and there is a new Mexican place I saw on kr5 near Bacata.

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294074-d20283494-Reviews-Casa_De_Rey-Bogota.html[/URL][/QUOTE]All this restaurant talk has me craving a Bogota Santa Fe trip. I live KR 7 I used to go over there all the time, I'd also recommend SBA broasters for some very good fried chicken, it's right there on KR 7 near CL 22.

Theres also some very good Chinese food places on CL 22 as well. KR 7 is the main tourist / pedestrian strip and has various restaurants and bars. Another must try place for. Fried chicken fanatics is Alitas Colombians about a 10 minute walk to the North.

There's is also a McDonald's nearby and a Centro Comercial with various restaurants inside I believe an argentinian steakhouse as well as an Italian place too.

Another sucker has been scoped and robbed, this time in Bogota.

[URL]https://youtu.be/v4t1qkd3Pjs?si=cCf7LB8R7b4B-24W[/URL]

Follow Along.

Is it just the US tourists or inflation plays a role also? Things has become more expensive all over the world in the last 3-4 years.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2882004]Back in 2019, girls were doing overnights for 400.000 COP and now they are demanding 200 USD min, but price in USD.
[/QUOTE]

I will be traveling to Bogota for the first time and have started contacting the independent escorts. Is it a red flag if a girl can't meet you at your hotel and requires you to meet at their casa?

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2884928]There are a ton of places right next to the Ibis too actually, and a Wok just up the road right behind the museum.[/QUOTE]Like DaVinci was saying behind the museum / wok restaurant there are some real good restaurants on 29/30. The best was:

Restaurante why chocolateria Yoconta.

CL. 30 #5 - 82 Local 1, Bogot, Colombia.

They're only open until late afternoon but the food was so good / popular they had to open a 2nd restaurant next door called yocanta 2.

I did find one spot on the street over open for dinner that was excellent name is Turmequ Bar why Cocina Bogot on Calle 29. There's an Italian spot just up the hill from there that looked great I just didn't have time to try it, but it's on the list for my March trip. Name is Restaurante Aria.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2884781]but I know some that do think long term, even the street hookers, eg they are regularly exchanging up money to usd and saving that up to buy a house in Venezuela, or another that has a child and invests in his education, taking him up to various extra classes etc. Some, as they approach their 30's and see reduced income enroll in classes then, to try be veterinarians, nurses etc.[/QUOTE]Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.

The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.

Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.

There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM[/URL].

I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.

Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. [URL]https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-of-prostitution-is-not-complex-it-is-simple[/URL].

Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.

During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'the have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.

The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.

I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.

I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.

People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.

Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.

[QUOTE=Luminous;2884975]Is it just the US tourists or inflation plays a role also? Things has become more expensive all over the world in the last 3-4 years.[/QUOTE]Sometimes no inflation at all. IF you speak Spanish and operate like a local.

An amanecida for 400 k still sounds expensive to me in 2024. You can still get it for 300 k or less easily.

My advice, if someone starts to negotiate with you in USD, just walk away.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2884923]That place on 7 and 22 is AWESOME![/QUOTE]Great ambiance and decor-- and great steaks for great prices-- lotsa variety too.

They worked on it for 2+ years a colonial style business building that was falling down with pidgeons roosting in it-.

[QUOTE=TorpeRate;2884984]I will be traveling to Bogota for the first time and have started contacting the independent escorts. Is it a red flag if a girl can't meet you at your hotel and requires you to meet at their casa?[/QUOTE]It can be.

Just wait to be there and visit the casas and clubs, that should cover your needs.

Forget anything online to be honest unless you want to get in potential trouble. Even tinder is not advised for the newbies. People get drugged and kidnap easily. Newbie is written on your face and obvious in your messaging when you don't have any experience there.

I would respectfully ask you to delete this and re-post it there, where the proper discussion can ensue around it. This is the Bogotá forum.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2885045]Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.

The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.

Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.

There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM[/URL].

I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.

Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. [URL]https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-of-prostitution-is-not-complex-it-is-simple[/URL].

Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.

During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'the have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.

The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.

I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.

I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.

People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.

Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.[/QUOTE]

I do think there are options that are good for dinner. A good number of them are open until 9 or 10 pm everyday but closed on sundays by 4 or 5 pm which is a bummer.

Thanks for all the suggestions though.

[QUOTE=Euphori;2885028]Like DaVinci was saying behind the museum / wok restaurant there are some real good restaurants on 29/30. The best was:

Restaurante why chocolateria Yoconta.

CL. 30 #5 - 82 Local 1, Bogot, Colombia.

They're only open until late afternoon but the food was so good / popular they had to open a 2nd restaurant next door called yocanta 2.

I did find one spot on the street over open for dinner that was excellent name is Turmequ Bar why Cocina Bogot on Calle 29. There's an Italian spot just up the hill from there that looked great I just didn't have time to try it, but it's on the list for my March trip. Name is Restaurante Aria.[/QUOTE]

I have so many great options now. But unfortunately my 'night near the airport' falls on the Sunday where everything closes by 5 pm.

Nevertheless, will have to do a good eating tour of this area on my next trip to the city.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery. ].

Couple of months ago, a newbie poster wrote a very good write-up. Someone should have put that on a link to the Reports of Distinction.

He stated that he had no problems getting Uber from Santa Fe.

He must have gotten a Comfort Level or higher level ride.

I found that out on my last trip. If you pay for the higher level ride (double to triple the price), then they come fast. It is still extremely hard to get a ride on the lowest level Uber ride from Santa Fe. The Uber system is broken.

I usually just check the prices on Uber, and then I use InDrive.

Someone also reported a mugging late at night, after the main strip-joints closed, when he was walking to his Uber. Note that Uber cannot pick you up in the street that has the main entrances to the strip-joints. He should have just used the taxis that are parked in front of the strip-joints.

I only stayed past the closing time of the main strip-joints once. I felt leery; the street was getting empty. I took the taxi parked in front. Just pay the extra money. All other times, I feel safe when the street is full of people.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2885056]Sometimes no inflation at all. IF you speak Spanish and operate like a local.

An amanecida for 400 k still sounds expensive to me in 2024. You can still get it for 300 k or less easily.

My advice, if someone starts to negotiate with you in USD, just walk away.[/QUOTE]Bango is right regarding USD negotiations. Give the girl one chance to negotiate in COP then walk away. Competition is high in Bogota and there are lots of girls to choose from. Many have said this before, but give the girls silent treatment if they do not agree to your fee. Many will come back and agree to your demands.

As for overnights, I tend to see the girls for an hour beforehand to sample and they know who I am. More often than not, they agree to negotiated fee and period. But the main message is, keep it to COP and never in an other currency.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2883111]That is only if you do not know what you should be paying. If someone tells you 500 K and you say ok then that is your own damn fault. If you say jajaja claro que no: 120 k, that is a different story. If you have a decent command of Spanish and know what the hell you are talking about, then you should not even have a problem if you are messaging from the moon.[/QUOTE]True, but I think having a local number helps.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2885045]Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right?.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't post hearsay without saying it is such. I do know the classes are real because she's been posting photos on WhatsApp and telling me what's happening there plus I've seen her posting in mom-group chat they have set up for it.

As for the one buying a house, I've been with her to the cambios (BTW I couldn't believe how cheap is to buy a house in Venezuela). She doesn't have the full amount yet and whether she won't blow it on something else or her family will get to it, the time will tell, it's difficult to for any young person to sit on pile of money and not touch it, but it's her way to keep this money mentally 'unspendable' here.

I also know casa girl who decided to quit at 22 and started selling street food and some homemade desserts to panaderia, she's been posting videos of her stand and food, and I've eaten the desserts, but I'm yet to visit her stand. She has still some regulars but only of her choice and seems to prefer company and taking care of animals for long term. Casa girls work can be tough though, they must fuck whether they like it or not, best they could do to try to avoid it is to be cold during presentation. The most damage there is to their own ideas of self-wroth. She couldn't take it any more. She's been in a good situation being able to live with her parents and not having to pay rent so could afford not to work for a while, but then they kicked her out after some time.

Another casa girls posts updates from veterinary school.

Another 19 yo plans to enroll to be a police women, but I doubt that will happen any time soon, since she pulls good money and likes to party, but certainly can't shut up about it.

Or a webcam girl which is paying for evening English classes out of her pocket, even though the money is tight, I don't session with her anymore but sometimes still meet her for language exchange and she's improving (no thanks to me).

Anyway, the point is, yes, they can think long term while being hookers, which doesn't mean they are relationship material or that their long term includes a plan to have an exclusive relationship with one man, they are often happy with just raising a child, especially if it's a boy, have plenty of friends and family for their social needs and just juggle many men supporting them.

Not to mention this is Latin America, exclusive relationships do not seem to be the big thing here and many men just impregnate and move on the basis of 'well, it was her decision to have a child, not my problem now', and even if they don't, there isn't that much money coming in anyway considering local salaries. Just the other day I met a Venezuelan mechanic in his 50's that was looking for chicas. He has 12 children with 3 different women. One of his sons, approaching 30's was sitting next to him, also looking for chicas, he has 4 children with 2 different women already.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2885830]True, but I think having a local number helps.[/QUOTE]When I'm contacting girls on sites for independents, non agency. ID say at least half are still being answered by their boss at the casa they work at. Prices and extras usually listed in ad. But the true independent hot girls that answer their own publications definitely pay way more attention to the US numbers coming in. They'd rather hook a gringo at their going rate listed and add adicionales and repeat repeat and then convince you to come back and visit. Some girls even advertise they only see foreigners and not locals. So not sure where your logic is coming from. I speak Spanish, I'm from US and I just do my due diligence to know the going rates.

Just keep your profile pic generic, or a cartoon or something. And block them from your stories.

How's Bogota for semi-pros / GFE / Seeking. I've only ever visited Medellin and Cartagena.

I prefer GFE / semi-pros. I had my best experiences using dating apps in those cities around 2017-18. I now no longer use the apps due to scoping risk, and I didn't have much fun in medellin last time, back in 2017 I had hundreds of chicas trying to meet me, now it seems like they're numb to tourists and chicas felt way harder to get, almost like miami where they have so many options (and now medellin is flooded with gringos, they do). And I was on edge because of all the scopings, I could no longer relax.

How is Bogota, both for dating app safety and not being one of a million gringos trying to get attention?

I took a taxi to Rosquillas Bar 64 this afternoon around 1:30 pm And it appeared dead on the street, so I did not even get out of the taxi to go check.

Any casas open for sure on Sunday?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SAInterested;2886214]I took a taxi to Rosquillas Bar 64 this afternoon around 1:30 pm And it appeared dead on the street, so I did not even get out of the taxi to go check.

Any casas open for sure on Sunday?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, all three Casas on that stretch of Calle 64 were open on Sunday. I was in the area around that same time. The street was quiet but you should have noticed the 2 guys out front of the other two casas. They will tell you to come inside. All three locations had their doors cracked open. Also you may have noticed there was a guy washing down the side of an office building with a water hose on the same side of the street near the casas if you went by there at the time you stated.

Bogota is a big ass city with a lot of options. Paid, semi-pros, and GFE. But Bogota does come with it own set issues. Traffic, robberies etc. Is it still worth it? Yes!

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2886207]How's Bogota for semi-pros / GFE / Seeking. I've only ever visited Medellin and Cartagena.

I prefer GFE / semi-pros. I had my best experiences using dating apps in those cities around 2017-18. I now no longer use the apps due to scoping risk, and I didn't have much fun in medellin last time, back in 2017 I had hundreds of chicas trying to meet me, now it seems like they're numb to tourists and chicas felt way harder to get, almost like miami where they have so many options (and now medellin is flooded with gringos, they do). And I was on edge because of all the scopings, I could no longer relax.

How is Bogota, both for dating app safety and not being one of a million gringos trying to get attention?[/QUOTE]

Been trying to make my way through pages and pages of reports but not finding much.

I prefer to deal with delivery service. Not into the bar scene or street scene. Looking for solid information on reputable agencies or ladies.

Also I see a lot of Colombian ladies on a site [URL]LiveJasmin.com[/URL] Any info on where these young ladies might work for sex service?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=IlDuca;2886761]Been trying to make my way through pages and pages of reports but not finding much.

I prefer to deal with delivery service. Not into the bar scene or street scene. Looking for solid information on reputable agencies or ladies.

Also I see a lot of Colombian ladies on a site [URL]LiveJasmin.com[/URL] Any info on where these young ladies might work for sex service?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't use escorts but my friend comes to town frequently and uses.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL]

He is in good with them and get's real photos unblurred from the management-.

Also many daytime brothels to pre qualify for outside dates.

Good Luck!!

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2886207]How's Bogota for semi-pros / GFE / Seeking. I've only ever visited Medellin and Cartagena.

I prefer GFE / semi-pros. I had my best experiences using dating apps in those cities around 2017-18. I now no longer use the apps due to scoping risk, and I didn't have much fun in medellin last time, back in 2017 I had hundreds of chicas trying to meet me, now it seems like they're numb to tourists and chicas felt way harder to get, almost like miami where they have so many options (and now medellin is flooded with gringos, they do). And I was on edge because of all the scopings, I could no longer relax.

How is Bogota, both for dating app safety and not being one of a million gringos trying to get attention?[/QUOTE]How are they going to want to meet you if you're not on the apps?

Personally I think as long as you're not partying / drinking and taking all the necessary precautions, the risks aren't that much higher than they were before. There's always going to be scams and bad actors, and that applies everywhere. Always move the convo to Whatsapp as fast as possible and get to know them for a day or two at least before meeting up immediately.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2887000]How are they going to want to meet you if you're not on the apps?

Personally I think as long as you're not partying / drinking and taking all the necessary precautions, the risks aren't that much higher than they were before. There's always going to be scams and bad actors, and that applies everywhere. Always move the convo to Whatsapp as fast as possible and get to know them for a day or two at least before meeting up immediately.[/QUOTE]I did use apps just to check it out, but had no intention on meeting up at bars then to my airbnb like before. And in general around Medellin, say at the malls I felt women used to stare and be interested in gringos, now it's like they've seen many. I suppose that's what happens. I was curious if Bogota is less spoiled. But being a big city probably brings diversity with it anyway.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2887000]How are they going to want to meet you if you're not on the apps?

Personally I think as long as you're not partying / drinking and taking all the necessary precautions, the risks aren't that much higher than they were before. There's always going to be scams and bad actors, and that applies everywhere. Always move the convo to Whatsapp as fast as possible and get to know them for a day or two at least before meeting up immediately.[/QUOTE]And that will more than likely be a hooker. Normal chicks have jobs and other responsibilities and usually can not meet up immediately like that. You can tell the scammers and hookers right off from the pictures. It is like playing the game one of these kids are doing their own thing. If you know the place, then the pics do not fit.

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2887027]I did use apps just to check it out, but had no intention on meeting up at bars then to my airbnb like before. And in general around Medellin, say at the malls I felt women used to stare and be interested in gringos, now it's like they've seen many. I suppose that's what happens. I was curious if Bogota is less spoiled. But being a big city probably brings diversity with it anyway.[/QUOTE]Not sure. I'm in Villavicencio right now (about 3.5 hours from Bogota by bus) and I'm a decent looking guy but literally no one looks at me or cares. I don't scream "gringo" but well I'm definitely a white guy from the states. I haven't seen any other gringos at all. Maybe it's because the city is basically on the other side of Bogota and there's nothing beyond here really. But everything here is super cheap and air conditioning is apparently a luxury even though it gets up to 90 in the day. Madness.

For Gabaucho- I remember you talking about liking fried chicken.

Very Popular. They moved from Calle 22 and KR16 a-- but you can still order if in the area-- I tried to find them but got lost in the Santa Fe maze.

Hola!! 😊, Somos.

🍗Chick Broaster🍗.

El Mejor Pollo Broaster.

MENU: [URL]https://wa.me/c/573213211019[/URL].

Para pedir indícanos:

⚪Tu Pedido ¿Con 🍟Francesa o Criolla?:

⚪Direccióand 🏠:

⚪Nombre de quien recibe:

🟡No. De Celular 📲 (Donde podamos Llamarte al Entregar):

✅ Un Asesor te atenderá en un momento, Para confirmar tu pedido.

Pedido Minimo: $ 10.000.

Domicilio: $ 1. 500.

🕙128345; En promedio tarda de 40 a 60 min Dependiendo la demanda why el Tráfico O antes si es posible.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2887476]For Gabaucho- I remember you talking about liking fried chicken.

Very Popular. They moved from Calle 22 and KR16 a-- but you can still order if in the area-- I tried to find them but got lost in the Santa Fe maze.

Hola!! 😊, Somos.

🍗Chick Broaster🍗.

El Mejor Pollo Broaster.

MENU: [URL]https://wa.me/c/573213211019[/URL].

Para pedir indcanos:

⚪Tu Pedido Con 🍟Francesa o Criolla?:

⚪Direcciand 🏠:

⚪Nombre de quien recibe:

🟡No. De Celular 📲 (Donde podamos Llamarte al Entregar):

✅ Un Asesor te atender en un momento, Para confirmar tu pedido.

Pedido Minimo: $ 10.000.

Domicilio: $ 1. 500.

🕙128345; En promedio tarda de 40 a 60 min Dependiendo la demanda why el Trfico O antes si es posible.[/QUOTE]I'm going to be in Bogota next month bro.

I also want to try that shawarma place you keep mentioning. I'll have to try chick broster too. I know back when I fist came to Bogota there was a place called chicken hell LOL. I like SBA broster on Cra 7 and Calle 22 as well as Alitas Colombianas man the alitas finas hierbas with their garlic sauce for the fries and a jarra of BBC Cajica beer to wash it all down is fucking superb. I'll msg you when I'm there maybe we can kick it. I don't need the tour obviously but I wouldn't mind getting a beer and shooting the shit.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2886207]How's Bogota for semi-pros / GFE / Seeking. I've only ever visited Medellin and Cartagena.

I prefer GFE / semi-pros. I had my best experiences using dating apps in those cities around 2017-18. I now no longer use the apps due to scoping risk, and I didn't have much fun in medellin last time, back in 2017 I had hundreds of chicas trying to meet me, now it seems like they're numb to tourists and chicas felt way harder to get, almost like miami where they have so many options (and now medellin is flooded with gringos, they do). And I was on edge because of all the scopings, I could no longer relax.

How is Bogota, both for dating app safety and not being one of a million gringos trying to get attention?[/QUOTE]Any special interest girls in Medellin may have had for Gringos has been gone for over a decade. We're all over Poblado and a few other areas now and a lot of non-pros don't even want to be seen with an obvious tourist.

It's probably worth checking out another city which hasn't been overrun with foreigners. But it's also possible you're just older now. My first visit to Colombia (Cartagena in 2001), I had girls all over me, pro and non-pro. It's a distant memory now and a bit depressing the way the years can take away from your attractiveness to women. OTOH, you can just focus on pros and pay a pittance and not waste time with non-pros.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2887456]Not sure. I'm in Villavicencio right now (about 3.5 hours from Bogota by bus) and I'm a decent looking guy but literally no one looks at me or cares. I don't scream "gringo" but well I'm definitely a white guy from the states. I haven't seen any other gringos at all. Maybe it's because the city is basically on the other side of Bogota and there's nothing beyond here really. But everything here is super cheap and air conditioning is apparently a luxury even though it gets up to 90 in the day. Madness.[/QUOTE]I like Villavicencio or Villao as the locals call ity. I was there back in February and I stayed at a hotel right across from the exito grocery store. It was real cheap like 35 mil pesos per day for the hotel and it was actually pretty decent. No air-conditioning but it had these big ass windows right by the bed that let the breeze in and a strong fan blowing directly at the bed too so when I was laying down it felt good and a slept well.

There's some action around parque El Acha I fucked like 3 chicas from there. 2 were skinny spinner type vennies that I found very attractive. Going rate was 40 mil plus the room one girl did BBFS for an extra 50 mil and with another one the condom broke and I busted inside her "on accident" LOL but she didn't seem to really care I think I gave her an extra 20 mil because of it.

The town itself is nice. There is a restaurant called Mi llanerita tradicional they have the best tenera a la llanera there and great prices I think with a pound of steak and limonade and everything and it was like 25 mil or something.

The town is very walkable but the heat is pretty bad between 1 pm to 5 pm best to walk around and explore in the morning up until around 11 or 12 noon and then rest in the hotel room and go back out again around 6 pm as the sun is going down and there is a nice breeze. There was an empanada cart like 2 blocks from the exito and they had the best empanadas and only cost like 1500 cop each and they had like 20 different sauces to go with them. I never felt unsafe there even at night.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2887565]I like Villavicencio or Villao as the locals call ity. I was there back in February and I stayed at a hotel right across from the exito grocery store. It was real cheap like 35 mil pesos per day for the hotel and it was actually pretty decent. No air-conditioning but it had these big ass windows right by the bed that let the breeze in and a strong fan blowing directly at the bed too so when I was laying down it felt good and a slept well........[/QUOTE]Hotel had wifi?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2887660]Hotel had wifi?[/QUOTE]Yessir, decent speed wifi, 43 inch flat screen with cable, strong fan mounted on the wall, and Luke warm shower LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2887660]Hotel had wifi?[/QUOTE]I just looked it up on Google for you or anyone else interested in visiting this weekend getaway destination that's 3 hours by bus from Bogota (terminal salitre).

The hotel is called Hotel Serrania Real and the address is.

CLL 37 A # 29 - 63, Villavicencio, Meta Colombia. And as I stated it is right across the street from an exito grocery store and has various restaurants and street food nearby and is about 2 or 3 blocks from parque El Hacha where you can find street girls from 40 k - 50 k.

Here's some screenshots. When I stayed there it was 35 mil per day looks like Google says it is 44 mil now but I'd call and verify because Google often has the prices wrong.

Again the hotel has fast wifi, flat screen HDTV with cable and you can also hook up your laptop with an hdmi cable if you watch TV that way, had good fan, and while didn't have hot water but the cold water would come out luke warm especially if you take your shower mid morning thru mid afternoon.

I put it on the Map.

Chicken Broaster.

4°09'00.0"and 73°37'59.9"W.

Calle 36 #27-129 a 27-1, Villavicencio, Meta, Colombia.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2887476]For Gabaucho- I remember you talking about liking fried chicken.

Very Popular. They moved from Calle 22 and KR16 a-- but you can still order if in the area-- I tried to find them but got lost in the Santa Fe maze.

🕙128345; En promedio tarda de 40 a 60 min Dependiendo la demanda why el Trfico O antes si es posible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2887714]I put it on the Map.

Chicken Broaster.

409'00.0"and 7337'59.9"W.

Calle 36 #27-129 a 27-1, Villavicencio, Meta, Colombia.[/QUOTE]Chix Broaster is a shop in Santa Fe area very popular-.

They moved from Calle 22 - See map in link- Also on rappi and they deliver too --En didi food, RAPPI.

O Escribenos al: 321 321 1019.

I think I will order today-- It's so good 20 mil for a half and fries.

[URL]http://chickbroaster.com/inicio.html[/URL]

Writing this on a Saturday night in my room at Ibis museo and despite FOMO of not being down in SF, it's kinda nice to enjoy a nice meal and just chill out in the hotel after a very busy few days. I'll be brief as my reports often go long.

Safety: Won't go into safety as I've written about it before. But once again I never felt unsafe. I'the routinely walk to SF from the Ibis between 7:30-8:30 pm. My preferred route was to just go down the walking street of Carrera 7 which is always busy with people to Calle 22 and then follow it all the way in. After midnight I suppose you could walk back but with the streets being a lot more deserted and the taxis plentiful outside the clubs and cheap why bother walking.

Taxis: plane arrived at 7 pm into eldorado so by the time I got to IBis I didn't want to waste time so did Indrive down to SF for my first night. Wednesday. Multiple drivers wanted 10,400 so I just took that as my base taxi fare and did 15 k total with tip. After each night the taxis are plentiful on the road where all the clubs are on. Just walk out and tell a mesero you want a taxi and you shall get one. Last time I was in SF one driver wanted 20 k for the ride from the clubs to hotel ibis and seeing that it was about 2 am then I just did it. This time though every driver was happy with my 15 k.

SG's: plenty of them and some very cute ones. Sometimes the girl will also come into the clubs. I didn't take any SG's but again it's not because there weren't any cute ones I just enjoy the ambience and ease of just having as many cute girls in the clubs. For those that like the SG price though you won't be disappointed. There were a range from young to old, slim to chunky, petite to tall.

Clubs:

I'm a barhopper. I'll typically buy a poker or water at each place and by the time I've drunk it I'll know what girls are there and the vibe. Fiebre never disappointed. Troya this time came 2nd to fiebre but often times the girls would switch between the two clubs. Antones is always fun for girls and they have a bit more of the girl next door type ones. Paisas disappointed this time and the girls for me were all either older or bigger. Didn't make it into Venus this time.

Wednesday: Banged a girl in Antones. Don't remember the name. Said she was 24 but she looked younger. A little thicker than I usually like them but had big nice puffy nipples which as her tits we're already small almost covered the whole things. Fingering, DATY, BJ covered and kisses with no tongue. Always fun to look down in doggy and her wetness turning into that lovely cream over the condom. After seeing that and her gripping the sheets I busted in her doggy. $100 k with tip all up $120 k (roughly $35 usd give or take).

Thursday: Banged a girl in Troya. Also saw her in fiebre. Estefania or stefania?? Very slim, tall, young looking brunette. I like them slim so she ticked all the boxes. At first I wanted a dance but then she said 120 k. I said no I'm waiting for friends then I'll find her (a lie. I just didn't want to pay 120) and then she immediately said 100 so I was like sure LOL. Also fun. In the room I wanted a BBBJ so she wanted another 50 k which I'm fine with. I'm a sucker for DATY and her pussy was particularly nice to look at and so I spent most of the time DATY and fingering, 69'ing. Finished in cowgirl. Total $150 k plus tip of $50 as I didn't have any smaller bills. Total: 200 k (about $50-60 usd).

Fri: There is probably the tiniest girl in Fiebre at the moment. Saw her the past two nights but she seemed cold, on the phone, never made eye contact with anyone, etc but damn she is tiny. If you're into tiny girls that fit that classic "she might break" if you pound them too hard she will be right up your alley. I decided F it, I'll take one for the team and there no way I'm leaving Bogota without having some of it even if she's also cold in the room. Anyways, her names Daniella. 22 yrs old, Colombian, brunette with green eyes (can't tell if they're natural or fake). She is the tiniest, thinnest girl in the club. For me that's my type. I realize for others she may not be yours. She quoted 150. I asked 100 and she said no and so F it I took it. Upstairs we go. She seemed lost and confused and seeing as though I hadn't seen her go up with anyone the last 2 nights I'm guessing she may not be a frequent one going upstairs. Spent plenty of time sucking on her nipples which had gotten hard and on her tiny pussy fingering. She also allowed some light anal play but stopped me from fingering it. But as to be expected there's always a snag. Her BJ skills sucked with the condom on. She hardly moved her head and I had to try and ram it. I couldn't stay hard because she just put her mouth on the tip and so asked for BBBJ which she said 100 k for and like a sucker because her body is completely my type and knowing I'm overpaying I said yes. Didn't actually do any different and so instead just decided to try and ram it into her mouth as many times as I could while in 69. She did allow some vigorous fingering while in 69. Oh well. Lesson learned. All in 250 k no tip.

Ended Friday in Troya and banged a short cute vennie. BBBJ, covered sex, fingering, DATY and busting in her mouth for $120. Tip of 30 k for a total of 150 k.

Also had numerous dances in each club which I have questions about for the regulars there but I'll put that in another post as this ones getting long.

Thank you Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2887801]Writing this on a Saturday night in my room at Ibis museo and despite FOMO of not being down in SF, it's kinda nice to enjoy a nice meal and just chill out in the hotel after a very busy few days. I'll be brief as my reports often go long.

Safety: Won't go into safety as I've written about it before. But once again I never felt unsafe. I'the routinely walk to SF from the Ibis between 7:30-8:30 pm. My preferred route was to just go down the walking street of Carrera 7 which is always busy with people to Calle 22 and then follow it all the way in. After midnight I suppose you could walk back but with the streets being a lot more deserted and the taxis plentiful outside the clubs and cheap why bother walking.

Taxis: plane arrived at 7 pm into eldorado so by the time I got to IBis I didn't want to waste time so did Indrive down to SF for my first night. Wednesday. Multiple drivers wanted 10,400 so I just took that as my base taxi fare and did 15 k total with tip. After each night the taxis are plentiful on the road where all the clubs are on. Just walk out and tell a mesero you want a taxi and you shall get one. Last time I was in SF one driver wanted 20 k for the ride from the clubs to hotel ibis and seeing that it was about 2 am then I just did it. This time though every driver was happy with my 15 k.

SG's: plenty of them and some very cute ones. Sometimes the girl will also come into the clubs. I didn't take any SG's but again it's not because there weren't any cute ones I just enjoy the ambience and ease of just having as many cute girls in the clubs. For those that like the SG price though you won't be disappointed. There were a range from young to old, slim to chunky, petite to tall.

Clubs:

I'm a barhopper. I'll typically buy a poker or water at each place and by the time I've drunk it I'll know what girls are there and the vibe. Fiebre never disappointed. Troya this time came 2nd to fiebre but often times the girls would switch between the two clubs. Antones is always fun for girls and they have a bit more of the girl next door type ones. Paisas disappointed this time and the girls for me were all either older or bigger. Didn't make it into Venus this time.

Wednesday: Banged a girl in Antones. Don't remember the name. Said she was 24 but she looked younger. A little thicker than I usually like them but had big nice puffy nipples which as her tits we're already small almost covered the whole things. Fingering, DATY, BJ covered and kisses with no tongue. Always fun to look down in doggy and her wetness turning into that lovely cream over the condom. After seeing that and her gripping the sheets I busted in her doggy. $100 k with tip all up $120 k (roughly $35 usd give or take).

Thursday: Banged a girl in Troya. Also saw her in fiebre. Estefania or stefania?? Very slim, tall, young looking brunette. I like them slim so she ticked all the boxes. At first I wanted a dance but then she said 120 k. I said no I'm waiting for friends then I'll find her (a lie. I just didn't want to pay 120) and then she immediately said 100 so I was like sure LOL. Also fun. In the room I wanted a BBBJ so she wanted another 50 k which I'm fine with. I'm a sucker for DATY and her pussy was particularly nice to look at and so I spent most of the time DATY and fingering, 69'ing. Finished in cowgirl. Total $150 k plus tip of $50 as I didn't have any smaller bills. Total: 200 k (about $50-60 usd).

Fri: There is probably the tiniest girl in Fiebre at the moment. Saw her the past two nights but she seemed cold, on the phone, never made eye contact with anyone, etc but damn she is tiny. If you're into tiny girls that fit that classic "she might break" if you pound them too hard she will be right up your alley. I decided F it, I'll take one for the team and there no way I'm leaving Bogota without having some of it even if she's also cold in the room. Anyways, her names Daniella. 22 yrs old, Colombian, brunette with green eyes (can't tell if they're natural or fake). She is the tiniest, thinnest girl in the club. For me that's my type. I realize for others she may not be yours. She quoted 150. I asked 100 and she said no and so F it I took it. Upstairs we go. She seemed lost and confused and seeing as though I hadn't seen her go up with anyone the last 2 nights I'm guessing she may not be a frequent one going upstairs. Spent plenty of time sucking on her nipples which had gotten hard and on her tiny pussy fingering. She also allowed some light anal play but stopped me from fingering it. But as to be expected there's always a snag. Her BJ skills sucked with the condom on. She hardly moved her head and I had to try and ram it. I couldn't stay hard because she just put her mouth on the tip and so asked for BBBJ which she said 100 k for and like a sucker because her body is completely my type and knowing I'm overpaying I said yes. Didn't actually do any different and so instead just decided to try and ram it into her mouth as many times as I could while in 69. She did allow some vigorous fingering while in 69. Oh well. Lesson learned. All in 250 k no tip.

Ended Friday in Troya and banged a short cute vennie. BBBJ, covered sex, fingering, DATY and busting in her mouth for $120. Tip of 30 k for a total of 150 k.

Also had numerous dances in each club which I have questions about for the regulars there but I'll put that in another post as this ones getting long.

Thank you Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]Nice report but you consently overpay. You are the sole responsible for the rate increase that is happening everywhere.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2887801]Writing this on a Saturday night in my room at Ibis museo and despite FOMO of not being down in SF, it's kinda nice to enjoy a nice meal and just chill out in the hotel after a very busy few days. I'll be brief as my reports often go long.

Safety: Won't go into safety as I've written about it before. But once again I never felt unsafe. I'the routinely walk to SF from the Ibis between 7:30-8:30 pm. My preferred route was to just go down the walking street of Carrera 7 which is always busy with people to Calle 22 and then follow it all the way in. After midnight I suppose you could walk back but with the streets being a lot more deserted and the taxis plentiful outside the clubs and cheap why bother walking.

Taxis: plane arrived at 7 pm into eldorado so by the time I got to IBis I didn't want to waste time so did Indrive down to SF for my first night. Wednesday. Multiple drivers wanted 10,400 so I just took that as my base taxi fare and did 15 k total with tip. After each night the taxis are plentiful on the road where all the clubs are on. Just walk out and tell a mesero you want a taxi and you shall get one. Last time I was in SF one driver wanted 20 k for the ride from the clubs to hotel ibis and seeing that it was about 2 am then I just did it. This time though every driver was happy with my 15 k.

SG's: plenty of them and some very cute ones. Sometimes the girl will also come into the clubs. I didn't take any SG's but again it's not because there weren't any cute ones I just enjoy the ambience and ease of just having as many cute girls in the clubs. For those that like the SG price though you won't be disappointed. There were a range from young to old, slim to chunky, petite to tall.

Clubs:

I'm a barhopper. I'll typically buy a poker or water at each place and by the time I've drunk it I'll know what girls are there and the vibe. Fiebre never disappointed. Troya this time came 2nd to fiebre but often times the girls would switch between the two clubs. Antones is always fun for girls and they have a bit more of the girl next door type ones. Paisas disappointed this time and the girls for me were all either older or bigger. Didn't make it into Venus this time.

Wednesday: Banged a girl in Antones. Don't remember the name. Said she was 24 but she looked younger. A little thicker than I usually like them but had big nice puffy nipples which as her tits we're already small almost covered the whole things. Fingering, DATY, BJ covered and kisses with no tongue. Always fun to look down in doggy and her wetness turning into that lovely cream over the condom. After seeing that and her gripping the sheets I busted in her doggy. $100 k with tip all up $120 k (roughly $35 usd give or take).

Thursday: Banged a girl in Troya. Also saw her in fiebre. Estefania or stefania?? Very slim, tall, young looking brunette. I like them slim so she ticked all the boxes. At first I wanted a dance but then she said 120 k. I said no I'm waiting for friends then I'll find her (a lie. I just didn't want to pay 120) and then she immediately said 100 so I was like sure LOL. Also fun. In the room I wanted a BBBJ so she wanted another 50 k which I'm fine with. I'm a sucker for DATY and her pussy was particularly nice to look at and so I spent most of the time DATY and fingering, 69'ing. Finished in cowgirl. Total $150 k plus tip of $50 as I didn't have any smaller bills. Total: 200 k (about $50-60 usd).

Fri: There is probably the tiniest girl in Fiebre at the moment. Saw her the past two nights but she seemed cold, on the phone, never made eye contact with anyone, etc but damn she is tiny. If you're into tiny girls that fit that classic "she might break" if you pound them too hard she will be right up your alley. I decided F it, I'll take one for the team and there no way I'm leaving Bogota without having some of it even if she's also cold in the room. Anyways, her names Daniella. 22 yrs old, Colombian, brunette with green eyes (can't tell if they're natural or fake). She is the tiniest, thinnest girl in the club. For me that's my type. I realize for others she may not be yours. She quoted 150. I asked 100 and she said no and so F it I took it. Upstairs we go. She seemed lost and confused and seeing as though I hadn't seen her go up with anyone the last 2 nights I'm guessing she may not be a frequent one going upstairs. Spent plenty of time sucking on her nipples which had gotten hard and on her tiny pussy fingering. She also allowed some light anal play but stopped me from fingering it. But as to be expected there's always a snag. Her BJ skills sucked with the condom on. She hardly moved her head and I had to try and ram it. I couldn't stay hard because she just put her mouth on the tip and so asked for BBBJ which she said 100 k for and like a sucker because her body is completely my type and knowing I'm overpaying I said yes. Didn't actually do any different and so instead just decided to try and ram it into her mouth as many times as I could while in 69. She did allow some vigorous fingering while in 69. Oh well. Lesson learned. All in 250 k no tip.

Ended Friday in Troya and banged a short cute vennie. BBBJ, covered sex, fingering, DATY and busting in her mouth for $120. Tip of 30 k for a total of 150 k.

Also had numerous dances in each club which I have questions about for the regulars there but I'll put that in another post as this ones getting long.

Thank you Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]Good general review. I cannot wait to go back to Bogota in April and sample more delights from Santa Fe. I managed to find a girl who did bareback and creampies last year and she is still around. I am hoping to find a lot more girls who do it. Seeking has also been kind to me as well, with girls being happy to do it bare. I think I have been very lucky.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2887565]I like Villavicencio or Villao as the locals call ity. I was there back in February and I stayed at a hotel right across from the exito grocery store. It was real cheap like 35 mil pesos per day for the hotel and it was actually pretty decent. No air-conditioning but it had these big ass windows right by the bed that let the breeze in and a strong fan blowing directly at the bed too so when I was laying down it felt good and a slept well.

There's some action around parque El Acha I fucked like 3 chicas from there. 2 were skinny spinner type vennies that I found very attractive. Going rate was 40 mil plus the room one girl did BBFS for an extra 50 mil and with another one the condom broke and I busted inside her "on accident" LOL but she didn't seem to really care I think I gave her an extra 20 mil because of it.

The town itself is nice. There is a restaurant called Mi llanerita tradicional they have the best tenera a la llanera there and great prices I think with a pound of steak and limonade and everything and it was like 25 mil or something.

The town is very walkable but the heat is pretty bad between 1 pm to 5 pm best to walk around and explore in the morning up until around 11 or 12 noon and then rest in the hotel room and go back out again around 6 pm as the sun is going down and there is a nice breeze. There was an empanada cart like 2 blocks from the exito and they had the best empanadas and only cost like 1500 cop each and they had like 20 different sauces to go with them. I never felt unsafe there even at night.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing this about Villavicencio. I am back in Colombia in April for three weeks and I am contemplating visiting Villavicencio for a day or two. Going by your posts on Villavicencio suggests there a small scene there, you can grab some girls cheaper than Bogota and also there is similar setup where there are rooms for un rato. 50 mil extra for bareback is also very good.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2886780]I don't use escorts but my friend comes to town frequently and uses.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL]

He is in good with them and get's real photos unblurred from the management-.

Also many daytime brothels to pre qualify for outside dates.

Good Luck!![/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing this Woodman. I personally have never been to a brothel in Bogota but I want to try some when I am there in a few months time. I wonder if there is a way of list all of these brothels on a separate page so it is easier for everyone to search.

[QUOTE=Luminous;2884975]Is it just the US tourists or inflation plays a role also? Things has become more expensive all over the world in the last 3-4 years.[/QUOTE]I think it is a combination of several factors. There is no doubt that global inflation has played a part. The general FX trend for the major currencies vs COP is that COP is weaker, in theory you get more bang for your buck, so to speak. The past 12 months, COP has strengthened, so that plays a part in making things more expensive. However, I have definitely noticed an increase in girls quoting USD upfront whereas it was less common a few years ago. This is much more prevalent in places like Cartagena and I have spoken to a lot of locals over the past few years who say that, specifically, US tourism is slowing eroding their economy because they play a part in driving up the price. Whilst this is only one occasion, I am friends with a guy from California, a couple of years ago, after a night out in Cartagena, he took a girl back for an overnight at my place. He paid her 300 USD for the overnight, which is obscene. He was quite nonchalant about it. Girls see this type of behaviour and they think this is a common. It completely ruins the notion that you can get latinas at a really cheap price. At the end of the day, that was one of the main selling point of punters going to Cartagena in the first place.

I fear that Bogota and Santa Fe might follow suit. I am going back to Medellin in a few months time, but I suspect it has followed the same path as Cartagena.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2887885]I wonder if there is a way of list all of these brothels on a separate page so it is easier for everyone to search.[/QUOTE]They are in the Bogota Lists thread.

Well the FOMO of missing out on Saturday turned into a quick visit down at about 11 pm. Took a taxi down there from ibis using Indrive. No one was taking my 10 k request but offers came up for 13,600 so again 15 k which included my tip was the same for Saturday night. Went into Antones first as while the girls are just slightly under the rating of Fiebre and Troya girls there are some cute young ones in there and the girls dancing on stage typically do more such as fingering, etc whereas the ones in Fiebre and Troya sometimes only dance up to the point of being naked then stop. So it's always fun to just get in the mood. Turned out to be a good call as there was a cute girl who I had seen on Thursday night. Curly hair, slim and 23.80 k but I wanted CIM and BBBJ. She said no to CIM but said I could cum on her tits for a total of 100 k. Off we go. She didn't disappoint and as I'm a sucker for DATY she was particularly fun as she allowed fingering of both her ass and pussy along with joining in and doing it herself in between BBBJ in 69. Light kisses, DATY, fingering ass and pussy, BBBJ, fuck and dropping a load on those pechugas. A tip of 20 k.

Finished with a table dance by a cute girl in Fiebre and called it quits for the night.

So was hoping for some input from regulars down in SF like woodman, etc. About what (if any) is the appropriate amount to pay for a table dance by a girl. I saw and have encountered all sorts of varying things and so I don't want to be disrespectful to the girl but at the same time I don't want to be fleeced and overpay for something.

What I would typically see is that a table of 2 or 3+ guys would typically have a bucket of beers or shots at their table and the girl would dance for a shot or beer and as far as I could see no money was exchanged. As I'm typically solo in the clubs and I like to bar hop I do not usually do buckets or bottles of liquor so there goes my ability to pay by a drink. First time I had a dance on my last trip there about a year ago, the mesero followed me and the girl and basically I had to buy a drink for the girl. This time I encountered all sorts of things. Usually I would just pick a girl I wanted to bang and would usually just ask for a dance then negotiate for banging in the room right after so money never was exchanged but this trip I enjoyed the dances more as just entertainment. These examples were all for girls that I didn't actually bang after the dance.

Troya girl 1-mesero followed me and I had to buy her a drink. She of course got the most expensive one of a Smirnoff ice and my poker so it came to 40 k.

Troya girl 2 - asked girl for a dance. No mesero around. Girl said yes but then looked at me blankly so I felt obliged to ask how much and she said 20 k so got a dance for 20 k.

Antones girl 1 - danced on the couches on the 2nd floor and seemed amazed that I even gave her 20 k at the end.

Antones girl 2 - I had just finished banging a girl so wasn't ready to go straight back to the room but at the end of the dance she asked if I wanted to go upstairs I explained no but thanked her for the dance. She got dressed and walked away without even asking for money. I felt like I needed to pay her something as she let me suck on her tits and play with her clit while she fingered herself.

Fiebre girl 1 - dance upstairs. Finished and then put her hand out once she was dressed. Gave her 20 k then she started waving her hand and saying no no no cuarenta. I said no and gave her 20 k again and she flipped my hand away and said 50 k and so I relented.

Fiebre girl 2 - dance and then at the end she asked if I could buy her a water. So yeah of course.

Of course for everyone else at tables with groups of guys all sharing buckets it was just a shot here, there, etc but for a solo traveller what's the general rule for dances? What should you expect to pay? Etc.

Excellent review and thanks for all the details. Where is Antone's at? I can't seem to find it on the map.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2887801]......I'm a barhopper. I'll typically buy a poker or water at each place and by the time I've drunk it I'll know what girls are there and the vibe. Fiebre never disappointed. Troya this time came 2nd to fiebre but often times the girls would switch between the two clubs. Antones is always fun for girls and they have a bit more of the girl next door type ones. Paisas disappointed this time and the girls for me were all either older or bigger. Didn't make it into Venus this time.

Wednesday: Banged a girl in Antones. Don't remember the name. Said she was 24 but she looked younger. A little thicker than I usually like them but had big nice puffy nipples which as her tits we're already small almost covered the whole things. Fingering, DATY, BJ covered and kisses with no tongue. Always fun to look down in doggy and her wetness turning into that lovely cream over the condom. After seeing that and her gripping the sheets I busted in her doggy. $100 k with tip all up $120 k (roughly $35 usd give or take)...[/QUOTE]

Hi everyone, new to this forum. Super excited, taking a trip to Bogota in April. Can't wait to see the talent Colombiana and Venezuelan. Any one got a good list of clubs or casas in zona roja zona T área. My first trip I wanted to make it more upscale.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2887801]Writing this on a Saturday night in my room at Ibis museo and despite FOMO of not being down in SF, it's kinda nice to enjoy a nice meal and just chill out in the hotel after a very busy few days. I'll be brief as my reports often go long.

Safety: Won't go into safety as I've written about it before. But once again I never felt unsafe. I'the routinely walk to SF from the Ibis between 7:30-8:30 pm. My preferred route was to just go down the walking street of Carrera 7 which is always busy with people to Calle 22 and then follow it all the way in. After midnight I suppose you could walk back but with the streets being a lot more deserted and the taxis plentiful outside the clubs and cheap why bother walking.[/QUOTE]A lot of times I will walk down calle 24-- It's a little quieter than Calle 22 and there is a big vacant lot before Caracas there's a lot of homeless there -- But in the daytime it's fine.

See my crappy phone video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-IkucVI3Ww[/URL]

[QUOTE]
SG's: plenty of them and some very cute ones. Sometimes the girl will also come into the clubs. I didn't take any SG's but again it's not because there weren't any cute ones I just enjoy the ambience and ease of just having as many cute girls in the clubs. For those that like the SG price though you won't be disappointed. There were a range from young to old, slim to chunky, petite to tall.
[/QUOTE]Bangfo Cheito and I were checking it out-- Was really good-- I found a Really Super Cute GND type that I banged weeks ago and renewed our sexual relationship.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2888055]A lot of times I will walk down calle 24-- It's a little quieter than Calle 22 and there is a big vacant lot before Caracas there's a lot of homeless there -- But in the daytime it's fine.[/QUOTE]There's like a flea market in that lot now. I went and walked all up in there when I was there in November, some cool stuff to be found, in particular one guy was selling old coins from like 1950's etc.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2887974]So was hoping for some input from regulars down in SF like woodman, etc. About what (if any) is the appropriate amount to pay for a table dance by a girl. I saw and have encountered all sorts of varying things and so I don't want to be disrespectful to the girl but at the same time I don't want to be fleeced and overpay for something.

What I would typically see is that a table of 2 or 3+ guys would typically have a bucket of beers or shots at their table and the girl would dance for a shot or beer and as far as I could see no money was exchanged. As I'm typically solo in the clubs and I like to bar hop I do not usually do buckets or bottles of liquor so there goes my ability to pay by a drink. First time I had a dance on my last trip there about a year ago, the mesero followed me and the girl and basically I had to buy a drink for the girl. This time I encountered all sorts of things. Usually I would just pick a girl I wanted to bang and would usually just ask for a dance then negotiate for banging in the room right after so money never was exchanged but this trip I enjoyed the dances more as just entertainment. These examples were all for girls that I didn't actually bang after the dance.

Troya girl 1-mesero followed me and I had to buy her a drink. She of course got the most expensive one of a Smirnoff ice and my poker so it came to 40 k.

Troya girl 2 - asked girl for a dance. No mesero around. Girl said yes but then looked at me blankly so I felt obliged to ask how much and she said 20 k so got a dance for 20 k.

Antones girl 1 - danced on the couches on the 2nd floor and seemed amazed that I even gave her 20 k at the end.

Antones girl 2 - I had just finished banging a girl so wasn't ready to go straight back to the room but at the end of the dance she asked if I wanted to go upstairs I explained no but thanked her for the dance. She got dressed and walked away without even asking for money. I felt like I needed to pay her something as she let me suck on her tits and play with her clit while she fingered herself.

Fiebre girl 1 - dance upstairs. Finished and then put her hand out once she was dressed. Gave her 20 k then she started waving her hand and saying no no no cuarenta. I said no and gave her 20 k again and she flipped my hand away and said 50 k and so I relented.

Fiebre girl 2 - dance and then at the end she asked if I could buy her a water. So yeah of course.

Of course for everyone else at tables with groups of guys all sharing buckets it was just a shot here, there, etc but for a solo traveller what's the general rule for dances? What should you expect to pay? Etc.[/QUOTE]Girls tend to ask 40 k by default to foreigners but most of the times if you only have 50 k notes and give them 50 k, they never give you the change back.

Locals pays 20 to 30 k. I had a dance once and paid 50 k, the was cute as she asked 40 but I only had 50 notes. A local guy asked me from afar how much I gave to the girl and he was showing me 2 fingers or 3 fingers which means 20 k or 30 k as he was a few meters away and the music was loud. I showed 3 fingers to signify 30 k and he sort of acknowledged it was a fair price. He immediately asked the girl to give him a show🤣.

From what you said, you did not overpay.

Don't be freaked out but be cautious.

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[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2887974]So was hoping for some input from regulars down in SF like woodman, etc. About what (if any) is the appropriate amount to pay for a table dance by a girl. I saw and have encountered all sorts of varying things and so I don't want to be disrespectful to the girl but at the same time I don't want to be fleeced and overpay for something.

What I would typically see is that a table of 2 or 3+ guys would typically have a bucket of beers or shots at their table and the girl would dance for a shot or beer and as far as I could see no money was exchanged. As I'm typically solo in the clubs and I like to bar hop I do not usually do buckets or bottles of liquor so there goes my ability to pay by a drink. First time I had a dance on my last trip there about a year ago, the mesero followed me and the girl and basically I had to buy a drink for the girl. This time I encountered all sorts of things. Usually I would just pick a girl I wanted to bang and would usually just ask for a dance then negotiate for banging in the room right after so money never was exchanged but this trip I enjoyed the dances more as just entertainment. These examples were all for girls that I didn't actually bang after the dance.

Troya girl 1-mesero followed me and I had to buy her a drink. She of course got the most expensive one of a Smirnoff ice and my poker so it came to 40 k.

Troya girl 2 - asked girl for a dance. No mesero around. Girl said yes but then looked at me blankly so I felt obliged to ask how much and she said 20 k so got a dance for 20 k.

Antones girl 1 - danced on the couches on the 2nd floor and seemed amazed that I even gave her 20 k at the end.

Antones girl 2 - I had just finished banging a girl so wasn't ready to go straight back to the room but at the end of the dance she asked if I wanted to go upstairs I explained no but thanked her for the dance. She got dressed and walked away without even asking for money. I felt like I needed to pay her something as she let me suck on her tits and play with her clit while she fingered herself.

Fiebre girl 1 - dance upstairs. Finished and then put her hand out once she was dressed. Gave her 20 k then she started waving her hand and saying no no no cuarenta. I said no and gave her 20 k again and she flipped my hand away and said 50 k and so I relented.

Fiebre girl 2 - dance and then at the end she asked if I could buy her a water. So yeah of course.

Of course for everyone else at tables with groups of guys all sharing buckets it was just a shot here, there, etc but for a solo traveller what's the general rule for dances? What should you expect to pay? Etc.[/QUOTE]Every time I've been to the clubs in Santa Fe I usually get quoted 50 mil. There is one girl in Troya who has consistently charged me 30 mil though. In my case I always ask how much before I get the dance so there are no surprises. Also for all of my dances it's typically for multiple dances in the dance area not just sitting at my normal table seat. I have often wondered the same question you are asking though as I've seen guys with buckets getting dances too where sometimes I don't recall ever seeing them pay the girl whereas there are sometimes where I have seen one of the guys paying the girl.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2888263]Every time I've been to the clubs in Santa Fe I usually get quoted 50 mil. There is one girl in Troya who has consistently charged me 30 mil though. In my case I always ask how much before I get the dance so there are no surprises. Also for all of my dances it's typically for multiple dances in the dance area not just sitting at my normal table seat. I have often wondered the same question you are asking though as I've seen guys with buckets getting dances too where sometimes I don't recall ever seeing them pay the girl whereas there are sometimes where I have seen one of the guys paying the girl.[/QUOTE]I like getting lapdances-- But with the right girls.

Prices.

In Venus / Atonis / Texas / California dances can be 20-30 mil+ I like girls that let me play Dr not all girls will do that and actually are not fun at all. You have to pick the fun girls.

I have seen guys get slapped-- I got slapped because this drunk mexican dickhead was slapping a girl's ass and she thought it was me--LOL-- that shit hurt too.

In Troya / Paisas / Fiebre-- they can be 30-100+ usually they want 50 mil-- I was with a guy last week in Fiebre and the girl said 120 mil-- I laughed in her face--LOL-- she did it for my friend for 50 mil.

Could you guys break it down for someone who hasn't been there before. What's the standard 40 K dance like? I'm looking to compare it to my experience at clubs in the US. Now obviously I know there are obviously more options to be had. What I'm looking for is more like time and location. I'm used to the semi-private couch or private room for 15 minutes. But those are quite a bit more expensive in the states than 40 K LOL. How much time is the standardish 40 K.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2888263]Every time I've been to the clubs in Santa Fe I usually get quoted 50 mil. There is one girl in Troya who has consistently charged me 30 mil though. In my case I always ask how much before I get the dance so there are no surprises. Also for all of my dances it's typically for multiple dances in the dance area not just sitting at my normal table seat. I have often wondered the same question you are asking though as I've seen guys with buckets getting dances too where sometimes I don't recall ever seeing them pay the girl whereas there are sometimes where I have seen one of the guys paying the girl.[/QUOTE]

Haven't been in this forum for awhile so don't want to cause any trouble.

I highly respect WT, but I heard he made his maps private, and the jpg pictures are useless without a google maps link. I don't know or care.

But here's my Bogota map I compiled from several different colombian and other sources.

I have maps of every major city for my sexcation agency.

So if you want to use our Bogota map, go ahead. But I haven't updated it in 6 months.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=11DpLNZSr62Dg6MBUnfZUEEq-vn4&ll=4.654029222070373%2C-74.1023269&z=13[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2375252]

Still, if this doesn't work out, I will probably give up on a LTR with a Latin American woman and focus on American women. It's just hard given the higher quality of woman available in the South American countries.[/QUOTE]A girl I met 3 years ago is still on SA. That bothers me, LOL I guess where I've been is not the issue? But she will travel anywhere with me and she has relatives near where I want to go. Vale de Cauca. She is gorgeous and almost too easy to be around. Vanilla. No challenge but is that bad? What if after a week together I have feelings. Yeah she speaks English. Too good to be true. I'm afraid to say more. Time will tell.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2888309]Could you guys break it down for someone who hasn't been there before. What's the standard 40 K dance like? I'm looking to compare it to my experience at clubs in the US. Now obviously I know there are obviously more options to be had. What I'm looking for is more like time and location. I'm used to the semi-private couch or private room for 15 minutes. But those are quite a bit more expensive in the states than 40 K LOL. How much time is the standardish 40 K.[/QUOTE]Semi private or right at the table -- often will see groups of guys all getting a dance by one girl.

The clubs all have couches available for lapdance-- Some better than others-- Fiebre / Paisas / Atonis / Troya / California are better. Atonis is really fun as you can actually walk through the couch area and see tons of naked girls there-- the others are entrance to couches area only-- you can see some of what is going on-- Also if you wanted a private room you could arrange that but no music.

Not really timed, girls do a do a grind in their outfits and start looseing clothes and continue until naked-- if you are with a friend they will usually lay across both of you also will open legs and and put that in your face-.

Things usually prohibited in US: I love to spread the pussy from the sides and sometimes you can fingerbang. I love grabbing their panties and giving them wedgies-- Sometimes I will stand up and grind hard-- It's a great way to get a feel for what they are like. And of course Grabbing Tits is also usually ok-- Although some girls are not so fun.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2888354]A girl I met 3 years ago is still on SA. That bothers me, LOL I guess where I've been is not the issue? But she will travel anywhere with me and she has relatives near where I want to go. Vale de Cauca. She is gorgeous and almost too easy to be around. Vanilla. No challenge but is that bad? What if after a week together I have feelings. Yeah she speaks English. Too good to be true. I'm afraid to say more. Time will tell.[/QUOTE]You linked back to a post of mine from five years ago? LOL. Man, that was wild. I still cannot believe how many missed out on the pussy gold rush that came with Covid. The women I had available to me then (and you did) was unfuckingreal.

Thing about the teacher is it kind of fizzled out. Someone said that couples that stay together do so because they think their partner is awesome. The teacher was very nice, and she would have made a good long term partner. I am pretty sure though if I were with her, I would have always been looking for better. She was sweet but vanilla great but not awesome.

I have been listening to guys in the manosphere, and one of my favorites is Rich Cooper. He is constantly talking about genuine burning desire. His latest was on some beta sap who is paying for a woman who is out fucking a different guy: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySWo7F1Tys[/URL].

I had so many women Don who were willing to settle for me, and I thought about settling for them. After a while, I was like why? I am just going to play the field with women I like. I know now anyone of them would have committed to me if I wanted them to, but there was always a feeling I could do better.

The point is if you are at the meh point now you are settling. In the beginning with me, it was the sex, way she looked, and the fun we had. The hard part for me was believing someone so hot was into me and had true desire for me. Once I finally got that it was real, I focused on her character and really liked what I saw.

Thing is you cannot fake that desire. People see through fake desire from a mile away. If it is fake, people do not want to invest into the relationship. On the flip side, if it is real, you cannot keep people away. My gal's daughter's Quincera is coming up, and she has asked that many of my friends and relatives come. I thought they would be hesitant, but they are thrilled. Even my American single friends are lining up excited to see my gal's single friends. Maybe it is that or maybe they want to laugh at me trying to dance the waltz. Lord have mercy.

My gal and I still have tons of fun, still have great sex, and I miss her every day I am not with her. We are often with other people so often we do not get bored with one another.

Don, you cannot settle for meh. It is hard because you have been with so many women. Until you find the one who blows your socks off and you have genuine burning desire for her and vice versa, play the field.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2888309]Could you guys break it down for someone who hasn't been there before. What's the standard 40 K dance like? I'm looking to compare it to my experience at clubs in the US. Now obviously I know there are obviously more options to be had. What I'm looking for is more like time and location. I'm used to the semi-private couch or private room for 15 minutes. But those are quite a bit more expensive in the states than 40 K LOL. How much time is the standardish 40 K.[/QUOTE]These are NOT like most USA based strip clubs so that's not even a comparison. These are basically brothels where the girls also strip and give lap dances. Given everything is out in the open legally unlike in the USA they don't have to play the vip and dance games like places in the usa.

There are no private vip area for dances (at least not that I'm aware of). You're still in the regular club area with other patrons all around who can see everything. There could still be just regular patrons sitting in the "lap dance" area too since those are the seats they usually give to guys buying buckets / bottles especially on busy nights. So if the club is extremely busy it's possible those seats could be totally occupied in which case your only option is getting a dance at whatever seat you were already sitting at.

You can feel up the girls during the dances. Some girls will be ok with you fingering them, licking their tits / pussy, or grabbing your dick during the dance too, but that can vary from girl to girl. As for how much time I don't know. It's usually like 4-5 songs, but I've honestly never counted.

You should probably just assume 50 mil for dances since I found that to be the most quoted rate at various clubs in Santa Fe.

My old girlfriend in Bogota, from 6 or 7 years ago, who I still maintain contact with, sent me this.

**The USA Embassy in Bogota is warning Americans in Colombia to be cautious while using online dating sites in the country, after eight USA Citizens were found dead in Medelland over a two-month period under suspicious circumstances. The deaths occurred in November and December. 2023
Jan 16,2024*.

Remember you can't be too careful. Nothing ruins a trip like waking up in your apartment with no money, no Credit Cards and no passport!!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2888285]I like getting lapdances-- But with the right girls.

Prices.

In Venus / Atonis / Texas / California dances can be 20-30 mil+ I like girls that let me play Dr not all girls will do that and actually are not fun at all. You have to pick the fun girls.

I have seen guys get slapped-- I got slapped because this drunk mexican dickhead was slapping a girl's ass and she thought it was me--LOL-- that shit hurt too.

In Troya / Paisas / Fiebre-- they can be 30-100+ usually they want 50 mil-- I was with a guy last week in Fiebre and the girl said 120 mil-- I laughed in her face--LOL-- she did it for my friend for 50 mil.[/QUOTE]Since you live there and prob been there longer than most of us, do you also get the feeling that paying for dance is something American gringos started there in Bogota? Because in clubs where there are little to no tourists in sight dances are free with optional propinas, incl other countries and cities in LA. I think I met that girl at fiebre that usually ask for a lot like 100-120, she's an exception bc she actually doesn't fuck and only dances, w a nice shape gym body.

Think about it, why would locals pay 50 k for dance when they can fuck for that? Which is also a day salary? Americans need to get that lap dance BS out of their system for real. Ruining things everywhere we go LOL. In Latin American you pay to fuck legally, not for dances.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2888463]You linked back to a post of mine from five years ago? LOL. Man, that was wild. I still cannot believe how many missed out on the pussy gold rush that came with Covid. The women I had available to me then (and you did) was unfuckingreal.
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Don, you cannot settle for meh. It is hard because you have been with so many women. Until you find the one who blows your socks off and you have genuine burning desire for her and vice versa, play the field.[/QUOTE]I was thinking about places I wanted to visit with female companionship and voila! My girl says she just came back from there, her parents in Manizales, relatives in Pereira and Armenia. All places I wanted to visit, especially Valle del Cauca. Ahh and I still have SA girls numbers that are probably still good. From those cities. Hope she doesn't read this, she's turning 21 soon. Oh well. I also want to visit the coast of Brazil near Rio but not till Summer is over. The girls quality there and availability it still unfuckingreal. Yet few guys want to go there because of the distance and the language. So Colombia wins once again (for now) Congrats to you! - you are a trailblazer. And your suggestions are well headed. I may take her on a trip but we won't be spending all our lives together.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2888354]A girl I met 3 years ago is still on SA. That bothers me, LOL I guess where I've been is not the issue? But she will travel anywhere with me and she has relatives near where I want to go. Vale de Cauca. She is gorgeous and almost too easy to be around. Vanilla. No challenge but is that bad? What if after a week together I have feelings. Yeah she speaks English. Too good to be true. I'm afraid to say more. Time will tell.[/QUOTE]Quer sera, sera. I have been on Cupid 19 years and some chicks that I have known from way back then are even still on there. They have exceeded the sell by date for me, but still there. I am not planning to marry anybody so I don't care if someone that I am messing with does whatever they do. I am always there until something better comes along for them. I am even there when that something they thought was better leaves.

I have been messing with a girl from Ecuador who is a chef for the last almost 2 years. At the beginning of December she left home on a trek becoming a migrant. I told her it was not a good idea but her mind was made up. She went to Panama, Guatemala, Mexico (where she had to pay the cartel $200), then made her way to San Antonio. Along the way she was in a hotel in Mexico and asked me for money for that. I told her no way. Her sister ended up sending her some money. Immigration kept her 3 days then gave her a work permit, money for a lawyer, and money for something else that I can not remember. People think they are coming destitute, but they come with their belongings. Customs takes ALL their stuff to burn it though. They even took the wallet that her passport was in.

From there she went to her sister in law's brother's house in San Diego. Her court date is not until April but they told her to call in every 60 days until then. She said most of the other people were fitted for ankle monitors. She was not doing shit in San Diego so I told her she could come to my house and stay until I left on January 15th.

I took her to Goodwill to shop and she got addicted to that place. The exact Merrill shoes that I was wearing at the time they had for ladies in her size for $5 looking brand new. I showed her online where mine cost $120. Some friends that she has in my city picked her up and took her to a lawyer. That clown wanted $6000. I told her to just get the paperwork of her friends that have been through the process and replace her friend's name with her name. That is all the hell they do anyway. If there is any litigation to be done is when you would need the lawyer. Then her friends took her and she got a job! I said that just goes to show how lazy some Americans are. 2 weeks across the border, speaks no English, and got a job already, while some folks complaining for years that they can not find one.

On the 9th she decided to go live with her cousins in Chicago. I took her to Burlington to get a big coat the night before she left. She kept trying to get the $100 Michael Kors but I told her every bit of her money counts so she better get that $50 Guess or whatever it was instead. Now on to your point of the goose and gander deal. While she was at my house she sent me a like on Cupid. She had changed her profile to my city. That did not bother me at all the way it bothered you seeing the chick still on Seeking. I do not have any commitments to anyone and I have not asked anybody to have any to me. I prefer to live and let live. One of my girls told me the other day that I am a free spirit. Yep. She got that right.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2888617]That did not bother me at all the way it bothered you seeing the chick still on Seeking. I do not have any commitments to anyone and I have not asked anybody to have any to me. I prefer to live and let live. One of my girls told me the other day that I am a free spirit. Yep. She got that right.[/QUOTE]I never went to check her SA profile. She says she's there yet tired of the game. So yeah we can go on a trip and after that I will head off to the next adventure. And we'll still be FWB. Colombia Cupid is bizarre. I might turn SA back on, it's been almost 3 years without it. Can we recommend your place for wayward chicks near SD?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2888703]Colombia Cupid is bizarre. I might turn SA back on, it's been almost 3 years without it. Can we recommend your place for wayward chicks near SD?[/QUOTE]LOL. I am from Atlanta. Latinamericancupid has always been my thing since I go all over Latin America. I have never been on Colombian Cupid.

I am in Paipa now with one of my nurse chicks from Bogota. One thing about chicks out in the villages is they do not have all those ugly ass tattoos like the city chicks. If you are ever looking for a real girlfriend then the small towns are the way to go.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2888712]LOL. I am from Atlanta. Latinamericancupid has always been my thing since I go all over Latin America. I have never been on Colombian Cupid.

I am in Paipa now with one of my nurse chicks from Bogota. One thing about chicks out in the villages is they do not have all those ugly ass tattoos like the city chicks. If you are ever looking for a real girlfriend then the small towns are the way to go.[/QUOTE]I will check LA Cupid. Maybe it's better than before.

Yeah I hate tattoos, big butts, piercings are god awful. And that's my next trip around Armenia and towns nearby. With or without tag a along girlfriend. Learn the area. We might rent a car and drive. Should be lots of fun.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2888793]I will check LA Cupid. Maybe it's better than before.

Yeah I hate tattoos, big butts, piercings are god awful. And that's my next trip around Armenia and towns nearby. With or without tag a along girlfriend. Learn the area. We might rent a car and drive. Should be lots of fun.[/QUOTE]Maybe I was not using it right, and I know there was some crossover with seeking, but the cupids always sent me to the average looking middle aged women. I probably should have given it a chance though. I think the photos on the cupid sites don't make the women look as good as on seeking. But it is water under the bridge.

And Don, if you get a chance, you should try to do a trip with two women versus one. Just make sure the women get along and you go with Airbnb's where you all are together versus a hotel room for them and one for you. Your gal is beautiful but there is the age difference and you can get bored with the gal and vice versa. When you have three people, you do not get sick of one another if it is the right three. The girls can talk about makeup, fashion, Tik Tok and all the shit so important to them we could care less about.

You have to have the right two women but the trips I took to Cancun with two and three women rank as the most fun things I have done in my life.

Was out with a client last night-- Pretty nice line ups of SGs.

Clubs were slow until after the game -- Troya and Fiebre got going really nice.

Especially Fiebre-- 25+ girls Many 7-8++ Of note a super cute Petite 22 yo named Daniela -- Looked 18.

And a another petite with Huge Naturals size Double 'E' cup at least-- Awesome-- I did not talk to her but I saw her doing a lapdance-- She looks fun.

Hey Hey Hey-- Santa Fe!

Alright so after a week in Villavicencio I would say it's not special or even worth it unless you count the spectacular views from the bus drive.

There is basically no one on Tinder or my app is broke. Getting barely any matches and next to no interest whereas in Cartagena I'd have 100+ with girls ready to come over after discussing price. Even the girls on the escort pages do not do domicilios, at least not all of the decent looking ones I contacted. There's a spa called Flor de Lota but I can't get them to send me the catalog.

Anyway, if you like street action or casas then I guess it the same here as anywhere, so nothing special. But if you're like me and want someone to come over for a negotiated price then it's not the place. My guess is that there's just no reason for anyone to be here and girls who live here would not want to get caught by their friends or families. There was one good looking young girl who lives about 30 min away by bus willing to come but I was with the girl I came for at the time. After that, nothing.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2887974]So was hoping for some input from regulars down in SF like woodman, etc. About what (if any) is the appropriate amount to pay for a table dance by a girl. I saw and have encountered all sorts of varying things and so I don't want to be disrespectful to the girl but at the same time I don't want to be fleeced and overpay for something.

What I would typically see is that a table of 2 or 3+ guys would typically have a bucket of beers or shots at their table and the girl would dance for a shot or beer and as far as I could see no money was exchanged. As I'm typically solo in the clubs and I like to bar hop I do not usually do buckets or bottles of liquor so there goes my ability to pay by a drink. First time I had a dance on my last trip there about a year ago, the mesero followed me and the girl and basically I had to buy a drink for the girl. This time I encountered all sorts of things. Usually I would just pick a girl I wanted to bang and would usually just ask for a dance then negotiate for banging in the room right after so money never was exchanged but this trip I enjoyed the dances more as just entertainment. These examples were all for girls that I didn't actually bang after the dance.

Troya girl 1-mesero followed me and I had to buy her a drink. She of course got the most expensive one of a Smirnoff ice and my poker so it came to 40 k.

Troya girl 2 - asked girl for a dance. No mesero around. Girl said yes but then looked at me blankly so I felt obliged to ask how much and she said 20 k so got a dance for 20 k.

Antones girl 1 - danced on the couches on the 2nd floor and seemed amazed that I even gave her 20 k at the end.

Antones girl 2 - I had just finished banging a girl so wasn't ready to go straight back to the room but at the end of the dance she asked if I wanted to go upstairs I explained no but thanked her for the dance. She got dressed and walked away without even asking for money. I felt like I needed to pay her something as she let me suck on her tits and play with her clit while she fingered herself.

Fiebre girl 1 - dance upstairs. Finished and then put her hand out once she was dressed. Gave her 20 k then she started waving her hand and saying no no no cuarenta. I said no and gave her 20 k again and she flipped my hand away and said 50 k and so I relented.

Fiebre girl 2 - dance and then at the end she asked if I could buy her a water. So yeah of course.

Of course for everyone else at tables with groups of guys all sharing buckets it was just a shot here, there, etc but for a solo traveller what's the general rule for dances? What should you expect to pay? Etc.[/QUOTE]No rules; it's 110% situational.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2888055]A lot of times I will walk down calle 24-- It's a little quieter than Calle 22 and there is a big vacant lot before Caracas there's a lot of homeless there -- But in the daytime it's fine.

See my crappy phone video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-IkucVI3Ww[/URL]

Bangfo Cheito and I were checking it out-- Was really good-- I found a Really Super Cute GND type that I banged weeks ago and renewed our sexual relationship.[/QUOTE]Yeah she was a cutie patootie that one!

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2888879]Alright so after a week in Villavicencio I would say it's not special or even worth it unless you count the spectacular views from the bus drive.

There is basically no one on Tinder or my app is broke. Getting barely any matches and next to no interest whereas in Cartagena I'd have 100+ with girls ready to come over after discussing price. Even the girls on the escort pages do not do domicilios, at least not all of the decent looking ones I contacted. There's a spa called Flor de Lota but I can't get them to send me the catalog.

Anyway, if you like street action or casas then I guess it the same here as anywhere, so nothing special. But if you're like me and want someone to come over for a negotiated price then it's not the place. My guess is that there's just no reason for anyone to be here and girls who live here would not want to get caught by their friends or families. There was one good looking young girl who lives about 30 min away by bus willing to come but I was with the girl I came for at the time. After that, nothing.[/QUOTE]TBH every time I've been there I've always had local women for free and only ever p4 p'ed there once. The experience was kinda mediocre.

I recently got back from a month-long motorcycle trip and stopped in many pueblos and smaller cities. Once again, got some nice freebies, didn't even bother with p4 p.

For my money, Bogotá is hands-down the best for p4 p. Best prices, best service, most options. I don't think even Medellíand or Cartagena are worth it. Medellíand is another place where I just go for the FWB thing and don't bother mongering. Cartagena I just tend to avoid like the plague because I can't stand the heat.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2839252]Spent the whole day looking at every single girl from mileroticos, photoprepagos, and pasiand prepagos and some other random sites. Don Colombia and stuff like that.

Then I decided to go to lido before I venture to santa fe for the first time. Sorry woodman.

SNIP -

Leave. Go to Loutron. 10 min walk from lido.
The objective 1-10 rating scale: This will end the debate once and for all. According to Myron Gaines. (Sorry Myron I p2 p. Ee all do in some way shape or form I'the rather just be direct).

5 is average. Think your regular college girl. Flat. Decent face.

9 is perfect in every way objectively like there is nothing bad.

10 doesn't exist. What is 10 for one person is a 8 for another. What takes you from 9 to 10 is preference.

4 is below average.

1 none one would touch with a 10 foot pole. Think disabled old lady. Sorry disabled old ladies.

Hax.[/QUOTE]Truly a man on a mission and useful info about the "high end" clubs I've also visited in the past. It's a lot of time consumed looking for that 10. LOL but they do exist, just not out in the streets. I searched "strip clubs" here on ISG and this is (so far) the most useful post I found. SF has plenty, alas they are far from Medellin quality. Yet every once in a while you will find a 7 or an 8. Someone posted about seeing a "model" in one of the casa / clubs that wouldn't engage in conversation. I'm guessing with so many guys combing all over Bogota. Someone has the low down. Wonder if they want to enlighten us. Since I will be there a couple nights March.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2889548]Someone posted about seeing a "model" in one of the casa / clubs that wouldn't engage in conversation. I'm guessing with so many guys combing all over Bogota. Someone has the low down. Wonder if they want to enlighten us. Since I will be there a couple nights March.[/QUOTE]Not to be argumentative nor am I here to be disrespectful but I never get these posts about girl ratings and where to find the 9&10 girls and that even then those 9&10 girls equating to 9&10 once you've paid them. The tiny, very slim, big pouty lips 22 yo Daniella at Fiebre that I reviewed and Woodman mentioned, looks great to me. To others, she's going to be lower on the rating scale especially if you consider large tits, curves and an ass essential. I equate her as an 8-9 on looks. Others are going to disagree. Also she was lame upstairs so her looks equated to absolutely zero when fucking a paying customer. Now I just consider her nice eye candy but I wouldn't pay her again to go upstairs. Now for the guy (or girl) that goes into a relationship with her and is into skinny girls then bless them. They are set for life LOL. Equally, There's a tall, blonde, slightly older bimbo, almost Russian looking girl in Fiebre as well. To me I don't like her but I can understand how guys would find her attractive and an 8-9 based on the number of dances she was giving. It's not that I don't think she's attractive but I don't know it doesn't impact me as much as the skinny Daniella does. You really need to be specific to what you rate your 9&10 qualities as? For me, as well, for a girl to be 10 she needs to have looks but also some personality. I've been with enough stunning looking girls now that fail so miserably on the personality side that they'll never get that 10. I don't want to bang a wet fish in the room even if she is hot asf. There are a handful of them though in that 10 category.

Does anyone know of any motels in the north? Ideally usaquen or up until calle 165. but I'm very flexible. I've used the motelnow app and you can also easily walk around barios unidos and Chapinero and find them. But I haven't had much luck up here. I'm finding 170 mil and up motels / hotels rather than the 35 to 45 ones for 4 hours.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2889589]Does anyone know of any motels in the north? Ideally usaquen or up until calle 165. but I'm very flexible. I've used the motelnow app and you can also easily walk around barios unidos and Chapinero and find them. But I haven't had much luck up here. I'm finding 170 mil and up motels / hotels rather than the 35 to 45 ones for 4 hours.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]So I found this place. Looks like 95 mil for 4 hours but perhaps they are not super honests.

[URL]https://motelescerca.com.co/bogota/motel-la-cita-usaquen/[/URL]

Anyways. If you guys have anything else ID be curious. I'll have an opportunity to try this in the next week or two.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2889568]Not to be argumentative nor am I here to be disrespectful but I never get these posts about girl ratings and where to find the 9&10 girls and that even then those 9&10 girls equating to 9&10 once you've paid them. The tiny, very slim, big pouty lips 22 yo Daniella at Fiebre that I reviewed and Woodman mentioned, looks great to me. To others, she's going to be lower on the rating scale especially if you consider large tits, curves and an ass essential. I equate her as an 8-9 on looks. Others are going to disagree. Also she was lame upstairs so her looks equated to absolutely zero when fucking a paying customer. Now I just consider her nice eye candy but I wouldn't pay her again to go upstairs. Now for the guy (or girl) that goes into a relationship with her and is into skinny girls then bless them. They are set for life LOL. Equally, There's a tall, blonde, slightly older bimbo, almost Russian looking girl in Fiebre as well. To me I don't like her but I can understand how guys would find her attractive and an 8-9 based on the number of dances she was giving. It's not that I don't think she's attractive but I don't know it doesn't impact me as much as the skinny Daniella does. You really need to be specific to what you rate your 9&10 qualities as? For me, as well, for a girl to be 10 she needs to have looks but also some personality. I've been with enough stunning looking girls now that fail so miserably on the personality side that they'll never get that 10. I don't want to bang a wet fish in the room even if she is hot asf. There are a handful of them though in that 10 category.[/QUOTE]I'm working with a small sample size a few nights last June in SF, but I was impressed. Yeah everyone's 10's are different, but there's variety in the top tier of different types of girls. Now I didn't see young leggy all natural Sofia Vergaras in her prime. But I had solid 9's of my 2 arch types, the all natural perky college cheerleader types, fit with athletic curves, as well as a thick pornstar enhanced type clone of Rebeca Linares.

As long as the SF club girls are still in the I think it was $40 range then these many 8's and several 9's are worth the trip. I need to come back for a long weekend this spring now that Cartagenas market seems to have crashed and Medellin requires more finesse.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2889568]Not to be argumentative nor am I here to be disrespectful but I never get these posts about girl ratings and where to find the 9&10 girls and that even then those 9&10 girls equating to 9&10 once you've paid them. The tiny, very slim, big pouty lips 22 yo Daniella at Fiebre that I reviewed and Woodman mentioned, looks great to me. To others, she's going to be lower on the rating scale especially if you consider large tits, curves and an ass essential. I equate her as an 8-9 on looks. Others are going to disagree. Also she was lame upstairs so her looks equated to absolutely zero when fucking a paying customer..[/QUOTE]The other night I was there, I was thinking about taking her upstairrs but my spidey sence started tingling and I brushed her off-- Now I am glad I did-- Just the way she was kinda acting right but not exactly-- Attached is a Super Cute Streety Sweety who is just as hot and half the price-- And she grooves on my dick.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2889981]I'm working with a small sample size a few nights last June in SF, but I was impressed. Yeah everyone's 10's are different, but there's variety in the top tier of different types of girls. Now I didn't see young leggy all natural Sofia Vergaras in her prime. But I had solid 9's of my 2 arch types, the all natural perky college cheerleader types, fit with athletic curves, as well as a thick pornstar enhanced type clone of Rebeca Linares.

[/QUOTE]Been there a few times. Entertaining. Found one older girl with very nice boobs. A 7, boobs 9. Had her visit the hotel. She did not want to leave. Took the bus. LOL Will see next month if the quality has improved. Then Bogotas "strip clubs".

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2890026]Attached is a Super Cute Streety Sweety who is just as hot and half the price-- [/QUOTE]Nice! I wish I'd felt better during the trip I made to Bogota way back when in 2019. Spent most of my time in my room alone.

"Getting a job isn't easy, migrants get jobs because of exploitation, I remember applying for minimum wage jobs and constantly getting rejected. ".

Si Senor.

I fell through Santa Fe last night at 11 pm. Nothing much going on. Only a few chicks out. One side was looking open air with a nice view of downtown. I noticed it was because they had torn down an entire block of buildings. They were not part of the mongering scene though. I got a take away pork plate from old boy and started back a little after midnight. I took a few photos with my Samsung big boy on the 7 minute walk to the apartment.

Those shots are of the same street, I believe, I walked every single night back to Hotel San Francisco, basically the same level of inactivity as well.

Great memories triggered by those photos, thanks!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2890229]I fell through Santa Fe last night at 11 pm. Nothing much going on. Only a few chicks out. One side was looking open air with a nice view of downtown. I noticed it was because they had torn down an entire block of buildings. They were not part of the mongering scene though. I got a take away pork plate from old boy and started back a little after midnight. I took a few photos with my Samsung big boy on the 7 minute walk to the apartment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2890229]I fell through Santa Fe last night at 11 pm. Nothing much going on. Only a few chicks out. One side was looking open air with a nice view of downtown. I noticed it was because they had torn down an entire block of buildings. They were not part of the mongering scene though. I got a take away pork plate from old boy and started back a little after midnight. I took a few photos with my Samsung big boy on the 7 minute walk to the apartment.[/QUOTE]I hear the block they clear will be for an elevated metro station that will run at least to Calle 72-- I guess SF may be moved further south?

You should go girl watching at rush hour today or tomorrow shood be pretty nice bein payday and all.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2890321]I hear the block they clear will be for an elevated metro station that will run at least to Calle 72-- I guess SF may be moved further south?

You should go girl watching at rush hour today or tomorrow shood be pretty nice bein payday and all.[/QUOTE]Hi oodman09 interested in a tour, how can I get hold of you? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bruski123;2890560]Hi oodman09 interested in a tour, how can I get hold of you? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I cannot give contact info here. Only on P-Ms--But tours are available.

Here is the map of their System.

Debating making 1st run to Medellin since the flights are pretty cheap, but on the fence go return to Bogota instead (only $200 more in flight, and a 4 HR flight no connection needed like MDE).

I just want another simple 3 day run of clubs, & agency girls, so a Thurs to Sun. What are the price ranges of the Fiebre, Troyas, Atonis? Last year I went had a great menu of some 8's and 9's, I think 150 K-200 K?

I'd likely just stay at whichever is the nicer girl friendly hotel, Tequendema which I believe is the current popular near SF hotel that LaCelestina / EroticasBogota go to.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2891256]Here is the map of their System.[/QUOTE]You selling those now too?? LMAO.

Here are a few you can buy.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2891327]You selling those now too?? LMAO.[/QUOTE]

I'll be traveling to Bogota sometime in March for work, staying at either the Bogota Marriott or a Hilton property near the convention center. The more I read these forums, the more excited I am for the trip. Thinking about asking Woodman09 for a tour, but also intrigued by his post that an acquaintance used lacelestina, which has some real interest on my part as well.

My question is will these ladies, or others from a different site / agency go to a major chain hotel? I guess worst case is I can just do a Santa Fe tour, or get a cheap second room for play time on my own at a more friendly hotel.

CBRGuy.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2890321]I hear the block they clear will be for an elevated metro station that will run at least to Calle 72-- I guess SF may be moved further south?

You should go girl watching at rush hour today or tomorrow shood be pretty nice bein payday and all.[/QUOTE]Station completion in 3 years, I suspect they will close down the whole zone, at least the North stroll area before completion-.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2891694]Station completion in 3 years, I suspect they will close down the whole zone, at least the North stroll area before completion-.[/QUOTE]Do you think it will reopen after completion?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2891694]Station completion in 3 years, I suspect they will close down the whole zone, at least the North stroll area before completion-.[/QUOTE]Just because there is a metro station there doesn't mean they need to close down the zone. In Medellin there is a metro station called parque berrio which is literally right behind the tolerance zone called plaza botero / la Veracruz. When you get off the metro there are literally street girls in the fucking stairways as you go down to street level. And all up underneath the metro there are more street girls and dudes selling drugs too especially in the area between the Prado station and the parque berrio station. So why should Bogota be any different?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2891773]Do you think it will reopen after completion?[/QUOTE]Do you really think they would build Bogotá's first metro and have hookers running around out side of it? Really?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2891839]Do you really think they would build Bogot's first metro and have hookers running around out side of it? Really?[/QUOTE]In Medellin they do. It is exactly like that.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2891839]Do you really think they would build Bogot's first metro and have hookers running around out side of it? Really?[/QUOTE]Might I add that Medellin has Colombia's first metro and yes at parque berrio station there are hookers running around outside of it.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2891839]Do you really think they would build Bogot's first metro and have hookers running around out side of it? Really?[/QUOTE]So Woody are you contemplating a new job in the near future?

I had traveled from NY to Panama last month and had unprotected bbj (oral and no sex) with a Venezuela escort. 4th day onwards got unusual symptoms like confusing headache and others like COVID.

Returned to NYC and did all sort of tests around 7th day. Nothing was unusual in results.

Now it is more than a month and some symptoms are there especially itching, tightness, pinching around penis / kidney area and occasionally headache with confusions.

I need to travel in a day or two to Bogota for about a week and was wondering if I can get tested completely and also meet any specialist in Colombia. Is it easy and doable within 1 week?

Or Should I do all tests, followups in NYC itself? But it would go on insurance and will get tracked by family and will stay on records as well.

Any recommendations? Sorry if this is a wrong post here.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2871744]I In fact I had fucked 80% of the girls who were on the roster of encounters vip. Took a look at their website today and all the girls I had banged have disappeared[/QUOTE]Plus Santa Fe. What herbs were you smokin? And what did y'all spend? 5 K usd?

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2893119]I had traveled from NY to Panama last month and had unprotected bbj (oral and no sex) with a Venezuela escort. 4th day onwards got unusual symptoms like confusing headache and others like COVID.

Returned to NYC and did all sort of tests around 7th day. Nothing was unusual in results.

Now it is more than a month and some symptoms are there especially itching, tightness, pinching around penis / kidney area and occasionally headache with confusions.

I need to travel in a day or two to Bogota for about a week and was wondering if I can get tested completely and also meet any specialist in Colombia. Is it easy and doable within 1 week?

Or Should I do all tests, followups in NYC itself? But it would go on insurance and will get tracked by family and will stay on records as well.

Any recommendations? Sorry if this is a wrong post here.[/QUOTE]Just put some clotrimazol on your dick and you'll be fine LOL. It's probably just in your head anyways.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2893185]Just put some clotrimazol on your dick and you'll be fine LOL. It's probably just in your head anyways.[/QUOTE]Thanks Gabacho.

I want to get tested because of this headaches & also itching not only around dick but now a days around poop area.

Would my exposure also impact HEB be or see?

I am thinking doing tests in USA and looking for any anonymous testing.

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2893323]Thanks Gabacho.

I want to get tested because of this headaches & also itching not only around dick but now a days around poop area.

Would my exposure also impact HEB be or see?

I am thinking doing tests in USA and looking for any anonymous testing.[/QUOTE]If I may, please do not go with girls in Bogota till you are clear with what you've got which seems weird and serious.

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2893323]Thanks Gabacho.

I want to get tested because of this headaches & also itching not only around dick but now a days around poop area.

Would my exposure also impact HEB be or see?

I am thinking doing tests in USA and looking for any anonymous testing.[/QUOTE]I would go and get tested for Gonorrhea. Prob a antibiotic shot and 7 day course of doxy if positive.

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2893323]Thanks Gabacho.

I want to get tested because of this headaches & also itching not only around dick but now a days around poop area.

Would my exposure also impact HEB be or see?

I am thinking doing tests in USA and looking for any anonymous testing.[/QUOTE]If you're worried about an itchy dick then maybe mongering isn't really for you. Maybe you should try playing golf or sport fishing or something like that.

And also why would you're poop area be itching? I don't even want to ask what you did LOL.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2893383]I would go and get tested for Gonorrhea. Prob a antibiotic shot and 7 day course of doxy if positive.[/QUOTE]If it were gonorrhea he would have a yellowish green discharge leaking from his dick. And he would need an I'm injection of ceftriaxone and take 1500 MG of azythromyckn.

Your post just reeks of foolishness and I'm getting a confusing headache like you just reading it. Itchy poop hole.

Pinching penis lmao.

If you truly are in NYC and were this concerned you would research a little and know that there are a number of options to be tested anonymously for this through either planned parenthood, quest diagnostics, etc. Secondly, if you have no partner then the family won't know. Third, if you're still on mommy and daddy's insurance then the insurance owner (presumably mom and dad) will see on their EOB you have gotten STI services however it's so easy to search online that you don't need to use your insurance and a sliding fee schedule is used which doesn't cost much at all so. If you can afford a flight to Panama then you can afford to pay for a test. Fourth, the whole post sounds BS for all the reasons above and if you're that nervous about it then this isn't the thing for you to be doing.

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2893119]I had traveled from NY to Panama last month and had unprotected bbj (oral and no sex) with a Venezuela escort. 4th day onwards got unusual symptoms like confusing headache and others like COVID.

Returned to NYC and did all sort of tests around 7th day. Nothing was unusual in results.

Now it is more than a month and some symptoms are there especially itching, tightness, pinching around penis / kidney area and occasionally headache with confusions.

I need to travel in a day or two to Bogota for about a week and was wondering if I can get tested completely and also meet any specialist in Colombia. Is it easy and doable within 1 week?

Or Should I do all tests, followups in NYC itself? But it would go on insurance and will get tracked by family and will stay on records as well.

Any recommendations? Sorry if this is a wrong post here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2893383]I would go and get tested for Gonorrhea. Prob a antibiotic shot and 7 day course of doxy if positive.[/QUOTE]Doxycycline is some rough shit. It will make you have severe vomiting if you don't take it with food, plus he has to take 100 MG for. 7 to 10 days. I would instead recommend 1500 MG of azythromycin taken all at once (e 500 MG pills known in the US as a z-pack) along with an intramuscular injection of ceftriaxone I believe 1000 MG is sufficient. That will knock out any no complicated gonorrhea and / or chlamydia infection. If he is in Colombia or. México he can go straight to a pharmacy and request those specific drugs and have the pharmacist administer the injection all without having to see a doctor or get tested.

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2893119]Now it is more than a month and some symptoms are there especially itching, tightness, pinching around penis / kidney area and occasionally headache with confusions.

I need to travel in a day or two to Bogota for about a week and was wondering if I can get tested completely and also meet any specialist in Colombia. Is it easy and doable within 1 week?[/QUOTE]Most common but not the only causes of penile itching are fungus and latex allergy from condom use. Your symptoms are consistent with a fungal / yeast infection. Look it up. Try putting Monistat cream or its generic equivalent on your penis. It is over the counter and will say vaginal cream but it is fine to use on your penis. If the itching stops, then get a prescription for fluconazole either OTC in Colombia or via a doctor in the USA to kill the fungus in your body and stay away from sweets for a week. I would do 7 days of fluconazole. You will feel lousy day one and two as the yeast dies off then will feel energetic and clear headed. Read the side effects especially with fluconazole and other drugs and alcohol. You should stay away from booze those 7 days anyway.

If the itching persists, then you are most likely latex allergic which is common. Use OTC hydrocortisone cream if you are in the USA. You can get a stronger steroid cream in Colombia but administer as thin a layer on your penis as you can. Also take one zyrtec 10 MG or generic equivalent at bedtime for 7 or so nights. It will make you sleepy.

The problem with the antibiotics mentioned is they will make a yeast / fungal infection worse. Also, a steroid cream would make a fungal / yeast infection worse. On the other hand, there is no downside to treating the yeast / fungus first and given your symptoms, that is what you most likely have anyway.

And this is free advice and you get what you pay for. But FWIW, I feel for you. It is a common problem but is not discussed all that often. Yeast infections are technically potential STDs but no one talks about them like they are.

I just had my worst encounter yet. The chick looked good in the photos and when I arrived she didn't look as good but it was definitely the same girl so I said screw it because I had already been bamboozled once today by someone who definitely catfished me.

I should have known as soon as I entered that she had a bad attitude and just wasn't present at all. She said cancelemos primero (pay first) and I didn't think anything of it other than the fact that she looked at me when I asked how much as if she had suddenly dozed off or something. The warning signs were there, but as I said, I had been fooled once today and was just ready to be done for the day.

Anyway first she would not kiss or touch or do absolutely anything to turn me on. No besitos, nothing. I always skip on condom oral and especially this time because she done nothing to get me hard. Anyway somehow I get hard and I ask her to get in doggy style and she said no, she doesn't do that with anyone. So she proceeds to ride me but makes zero facial expression, looks straight ahead, and doesn't make any noise at all. Completely mechanical, might as well have been a robot. Anyway after some communication issues I just couldn't keep it up anymore and I told her I was just going to cum on her chest. She of course said no. I proceeded to ask, "do you do anything, why are you even advertising yourself if you're not willing to do anything"? Anyway she didn't get mad, as usual just a stunned face like a deer with the headlights on.

Idk, maybe she was on something, but I got proper mad before I left, even asked for change back as I paid for half an hour but it wasn't more than 15 min until I was completely done.

Ended up finding a young coastal girl that had only been working for three days. The sex was good and she didn't object to anything but as we were doing it her period came. I thought she was going to stick it in raw at first but I'm glad she didn't.

What a day.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2893621]Your post just reeks of foolishness and I'm getting a confusing headache like you just reading it. Itchy poop hole.

Pinching penis lmao.

If you truly are in NYC and were this concerned you would research a little and know that there are a number of options to be tested anonymously for this through either planned parenthood, quest diagnostics, etc. Secondly, if you have no partner then the family won't know. Third, if you're still on mommy and daddy's insurance then the insurance owner (presumably mom and dad) will see on their EOB you have gotten STI services however it's so easy to search online that you don't need to use your insurance and a sliding fee schedule is used which doesn't cost much at all so. If you can afford a flight to Panama then you can afford to pay for a test. Fourth, the whole post sounds BS for all the reasons above and if you're that nervous about it then this isn't the thing for you to be doing.[/QUOTE]I agree, his post sounds fake. Although I am giving sound medical advice (which I myself have used in the past) I think his post doesn't make much sense. He went all the way to Panama only for a BBBJ with no sex? That right there sounds stupid AF. Then he's worried about STDs from getting a blow job? Again that sounds stupid as fuck.

This is most likely some kid in his parents basement fucking around on the internet while eating doritos and drinking mountain dew.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2893674]I just had my worst encounter yet. The chick looked good in the photos and when I arrived she didn't look as good but it was definitely the same girl so I said screw it because I had already been bamboozled once today by someone who definitely catfished me.

I should have known as soon as I entered that she had a bad attitude and just wasn't present at all. She said cancelemos primero (pay first) and I didn't think anything of it other than the fact that she looked at me when I asked how much as if she had suddenly dozed off or something. The warning signs were there, but as I said, I had been fooled once today and was just ready to be done for the day.

Anyway first she would not kiss or touch or do absolutely anything to turn me on. No besitos, nothing. I always skip on condom oral and especially this time because she done nothing to get me hard. Anyway somehow I get hard and I ask her to get in doggy style and she said no, she doesn't do that with anyone. So she proceeds to ride me but makes zero facial expression, looks straight ahead, and doesn't make any noise at all. Completely mechanical, might as well have been a robot. Anyway after some communication issues I just couldn't keep it up anymore and I told her I was just going to cum on her chest. She of course said no. I proceeded to ask, "do you do anything, why are you even advertising yourself if you're not willing to do anything"? Anyway she didn't get mad, as usual just a stunned face like a deer with the headlights on.

Idk, maybe she was on something, but I got proper mad before I left, even asked for change back as I paid for half an hour but it wasn't more than 15 min until I was completely done.

Ended up finding a young coastal girl that had only been working for three days. The sex was good and she didn't object to anything but as we were doing it her period came. I thought she was going to stick it in raw at first but I'm glad she didn't.

What a day.[/QUOTE]I think your expectations were a bit on the high side. Lots don't kiss. And when you wanted doggy were you sure she wasn't thinking anal. I don't think translating doggy would work, but I don't know how it was communicated. But any communication involving translation of butt or ass or rear entry or doggy probably would not have communicated. I just use the word cuatro, not sure about Colombia though. And the biggest one, when you are done you are done. That is true in most places. Half an hour means up to half an hour or when you come, whichever comes first. That applies to half hour bookings everywhere I go, but some will give you a massage for the balance of your time, although not usually. Booking for longer periods of time works differently, then they assume you are paying for, and expecting something more. Such as a massage or perhaps 2 shots, or long conversation. Anyway, how you describe what actually happened is not that different from many half hour experiences. What can make the identical actions or lack of actions different if the girl really turned you on just by her appearance or appeal to you. Then it might have felt very different.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893707]I think your expectations were a bit on the high side. Lots don't kiss. And when you wanted doggy were you sure she wasn't thinking anal. I don't think translating doggy would work, but I don't know how it was communicated. But any communication involving translation of butt or ass or rear entry or doggy probably would not have communicated. I just use the word cuatro, not sure about Colombia though. And the biggest one, when you are done you are done. That is true in most places. Half an hour means up to half an hour or when you come, whichever comes first. That applies to half hour bookings everywhere I go, but some will give you a massage for the balance of your time, although not usually. Booking for longer periods of time works differently, then they assume you are paying for, and expecting something more. Such as a massage or perhaps 2 shots, or long conversation. Anyway, how you describe what actually happened is not that different from many half hour experiences. What can make the identical actions or lack of actions different if the girl really turned you on just by her appearance or appeal to you. Then it might have felt very different.[/QUOTE]I don't have high expectations, I really don't, but she made zero effort. I've never been with someone who just looked straight ahead and made zero noise. She had a decent body but I don't know who could get turned on when she's clearly not enjoying any of it.

There was no room for miscommunication, I said "en cuatro", "ponte en cuatro". If she had said "no hago anal" I would have said "vale, no quiero tampoco", but she didn't misunderstand me to mean anal or she would have asked to clarify. I've never heard of anyone refusing to do doggy style. I can't think of a good reason. And now I'm super curious as to why. Anyway after that denial I just wasn't into it at all anyway. And to be clear, I never finished because I was definitely done after she didn't even allow me to finish on her since she clearly was not present for sex.

But really, I understand not allowing anal, BBBJ, DATY, etc, but if you're going to charge for a service you should maybe at least pretend. The girl after was much much better, gave good kisses, let me finger her, moaned loudly and was talking, all the stuff that makes you want to keep going.

I didn't wanted to respond to everyone feedback but posting collectively.

First I am not a kid with parents or living is basement but I am not a seasoned like you all.

I didn't travel to Panama just for BBBJ. It was work related and I happened to meet the escort.

My issues are real and why would I fake up? My trip to Bogota is also work related and I will follow the advice from few members.

I am nervous as it is first time going through this. I can afford tests in NYC or Bogota but I will Google how in NYC as anonymous.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2893712]I don't have high expectations, I really don't, but she made zero effort. I've never been with someone who just looked straight ahead and made zero noise. She had a decent body but I don't know who could get turned on when she's clearly not enjoying any of it.

There was no room for miscommunication, I said "en cuatro", "ponte en cuatro". If she had said "no hago anal" I would have said "vale, no quiero tampoco", but she didn't misunderstand me to mean anal or she would have asked to clarify. I've never heard of anyone refusing to do doggy style. I can't think of a good reason. And now I'm super curious as to why. Anyway after that denial I just wasn't into it at all anyway. And to be clear, I never finished because I was definitely done after she didn't even allow me to finish on her since she clearly was not present for sex.

But really, I understand not allowing anal, BBBJ, DATY, etc, but if you're going to charge for a service you should maybe at least pretend. The girl after was much much better, gave good kisses, let me finger her, moaned loudly and was talking, all the stuff that makes you want to keep going.[/QUOTE]Some girls are worried / paranoid that when on all fours the guy may decide to slip off the condom without them noticing. Also you never know what kinda day theyve been having or what client experiences they may have just had to get through before you. Sometimes if they are super hot I give them another chance another day and 50/50 the service is way more GFE.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2893846]Some girls are worried / paranoid that when on all fours the guy may decide to slip off the condom without them noticing. Also you never know what kinda day theyve been having or what client experiences they may have just had to get through before you. Sometimes if they are super hot I give them another chance another day and 50/50 the service is way more GFE.[/QUOTE]If there's a condom on then it was a stupid session to begin with. Most of them you can reason with to get them to agree to fuck without a condom and the ones that won't agree are not worth fucking.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2893712]I don't have high expectations, I really don't, but she made zero effort. I've never been with someone who just looked straight ahead and made zero noise. She had a decent body but I don't know who could get turned on when she's clearly not enjoying any of it.

There was no room for miscommunication, I said "en cuatro", "ponte en cuatro". If she had said "no hago anal" I would have said "vale, no quiero tampoco", but she didn't misunderstand me to mean anal or she would have asked to clarify. I've never heard of anyone refusing to do doggy style. I can't think of a good reason. And now I'm super curious as to why. Anyway after that denial I just wasn't into it at all anyway. And to be clear, I never finished because I was definitely done after she didn't even allow me to finish on her since she clearly was not present for sex.

But really, I understand not allowing anal, BBBJ, DATY, etc, but if you're going to charge for a service you should maybe at least pretend. The girl after was much much better, gave good kisses, let me finger her, moaned loudly and was talking, all the stuff that makes you want to keep going.[/QUOTE]Heh asking WG for a money back, good luck with that LOL. Always pay afterwards and make sure she knows it beforehand.

TBH I don't even get how people can just roll the dice and decide to meet based on photos then wait and hope for the best. Nothing like meeting in person, ideally several of them, checking looks, temperature and attitude, then deciding whether to fuck there and then, but to each their own.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2893931]TBH I don't even get how people can just roll the dice and decide to meet based on photos then wait and hope for the best. Nothing like meeting in person, ideally several of them, checking looks, temperature and attitude, then deciding whether to fuck there and then, but to each their own.[/QUOTE]Because for some of us it is like taking a breath of air (we will take another right after and not even remember a breath taken 3 weeks ago) and not like buying a house that we are going to have to live in for the next 30 years.

Just like we do not walk into a restaurant and gawk at other people's plates before we decide to sit down and ask for a menu. We sit down, ask for menu, order, eat. If we liked the meal then cool. If not, fuck it. It will not be the only meal of our lives.

I get it though. If you are only doing it once a year or every few years, then you may be more picky of how you want things to be.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2893712]I don't have high expectations, I really don't, but she made zero effort. I've never been with someone who just looked straight ahead and made zero noise. She had a decent body but I don't know who could get turned on when she's clearly not enjoying any of it.

There was no room for miscommunication, I said "en cuatro", "ponte en cuatro". If she had said "no hago anal" I would have said "vale, no quiero tampoco", but she didn't misunderstand me to mean anal or she would have asked to clarify. I've never heard of anyone refusing to do doggy style. I can't think of a good reason. And now I'm super curious as to why. Anyway after that denial I just wasn't into it at all anyway. And to be clear, I never finished because I was definitely done after she didn't even allow me to finish on her since she clearly was not present for sex.

But really, I understand not allowing anal, BBBJ, DATY, etc, but if you're going to charge for a service you should maybe at least pretend. The girl after was much much better, gave good kisses, let me finger her, moaned loudly and was talking, all the stuff that makes you want to keep going.[/QUOTE]Yep, she was not in to it and not even just providing a good experience. A dud, and that happens from time to time. All you can do is move on and call it a day.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2893846]Some girls are worried / paranoid that when on all fours the guy may decide to slip off the condom without them noticing. Also you never know what kinda day theyve been having or what client experiences they may have just had to get through before you. Sometimes if they are super hot I give them another chance another day and 50/50 the service is way more GFE.[/QUOTE]Whatever the reason whether paranoia or a bad day she should know that he is not going to be a repeat client.

Will be at the Suites next week. Would be glad to meet for advice on the area. Good pharmacy. Sex store, online recommendations and the like.

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2893119]I had traveled from NY to Panama last month and had unprotected bbj (oral and no sex) with a Venezuela escort. 4th day onwards got unusual symptoms like confusing headache and others like COVID.

Returned to NYC and did all sort of tests around 7th day. Nothing was unusual in results.

Now it is more than a month and some symptoms are there especially itching, tightness, pinching around penis / kidney area and occasionally headache with confusions.

I need to travel in a day or two to Bogota for about a week and was wondering if I can get tested completely and also meet any specialist in Colombia. Is it easy and doable within 1 week?

Or Should I do all tests, followups in NYC itself? But it would go on insurance and will get tracked by family and will stay on records as well..[/QUOTE]You can get tested through [URL]https://www.stdcheck.com[/URL]. 139 $ full panel, it's completely anonymous.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2893934]Just like we do not walk into a restaurant and gawk at other people's plates before we decide to sit down and ask for a menu. We sit down, ask for menu, order, eat. If we liked the meal then cool. If not, fuck it. It will not be the only meal of our lives.[/QUOTE]Restaurant is an established business with some social trust, some people eating, as well as often some online reviews (so more like a casa or club), not a rando on the internet offering to sell you some burgers "trust me bro, those are not minced stray dogs" (an online freelancer).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2893934]Because for some of us it is like taking a breath of air (we will take another right after and not even remember a breath taken 3 weeks ago) and not like buying a house that we are going to have to live in for the next 30 years.

I get it though. If you are only doing it once a year or every few years, then you may be more picky of how you want things to be.[/QUOTE]All of the breaths are essentially the same and unmemorable, so if that's you're experience with women then why even bother if it makes no difference. Anyway taking a breath is a bad analogy since it is something automatic and fundamentally out of your control, yes, you can play with a bit to a certain extent, but you cannot not take it for extended period of time (and live).

I for one have a limited amount of time (and breaths / meals) remaining in this life, less with each day, so I care if someone wastes it, I aim for every day to be an enjoyable or at least educational experience. The dud takes the time of good one, or other enjoyable activities, and that time won't be returned. With an IRL mongering at least I can grab another right away to rescue the day and it takes but a couple minutes to research, discuss and arrange it, so not like buying a house at all, nor like the endless / pointless discussions and unknown wait times & no shows when doing it online. The only advantage of a dud is that it makes me appreciate the good ones by comparison, so as long it happens rarely it still has some benefits in my book.

Howdy, I'm doing a quick trip to Bogota in March for a few days. I will be staying in Chapinero.

I've read the forum going back 6 months, and given my preference for GFE and short stay, an agency seems like the best bet. I'll still drop by Santa Fe to sightsee, but probably won't partake in anything since strip clubs don't do much for me.

Out of all the agencies, I like the girls on Encounters VIP the most. For me the most important physical aspect of a girl is her face, but all agency girls have their faces blurred. Apparently Encounters has a Diamond club where you can see the girl's face unblurred. Anybody know how to join this club or how much it cost?

Also it seem like La Celestina has something similar as well, any details on either La Celestina or Encounters would be appreciated.

Anyone interested in a new Bogota map? I'm thinking of starting one. All due respect to the WT69 and the work he's put in over the years and I understand the desire to earn from the work hes put in. , but for many reasons I don't think we should be paying for these maps.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2894589]All of the breaths are essentially the same and unmemorable, so if that's you're experience with women then why even bother if it makes no difference.[/QUOTE]After well over 2000 chicks the special and memorable fantasy shit has worn off. Besides, are these hookers in search of something memorable with us? To me it is like flying. People that do not fly often or do not know you fly often always ask how was the flight. To people that fly often it is just like every other flight so there is no need to ask. We are not going to be like it was so amazing. You should have seen it. Same with hookers. I have had my dick sucked, ass licked, and cum swallowed so many times that it is nothing to get excited about and nothing that I have to make sure the girl will do before choosing her.

I bother because I know how to make my own fun and still have a good time. I am not fucking chicks to have something to remember in the future. I am fucking them to have fun today.

Yesterday on 2 different occasions I walked into a massage parlor (here in Ethiopia) and chose chicks by doing no kind of research or asking any kind of questions. In each 1 hour session the massage was $5 and the fucking was $10. Great time had with both chicks, but will go to other spots today to try some different chicks in the same manner. No research and no questions.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2894674]Anyone interested in a new Bogota map? I'm thinking of starting one. All due respect to the WT69 and the work he's put in over the years and I understand the desire to earn from the work hes put in. , but for many reasons I don't think we should be paying for these maps.[/QUOTE]It does not hurt to have one specifically for the newbies but please only indicate the well known and well ruined places.

I agree that if one does a map, this should not to make money but to share with a community.

That being said I have discovered a lot of places that are not on any map over the years and I would be reluctant to add them on a map, my concern is that the places become quickly flooded by american who think they own the world with their dollars and see the places ruined as many places before.

They were free.

Google did not like my maps.

I had them open to all.

I did not realize that they were open to all, including Children.

So, I had to make it Private for Adults only.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2894674]Anyone interested in a new Bogota map? I'm thinking of starting one. All due respect to the WT69 and the work he's put in over the years and I understand the desire to earn from the work hes put in. , but for many reasons I don't think we should be paying for these maps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2894674]Anyone interested in a new Bogota map? I'm thinking of starting one. All due respect to the WT69 and the work he's put in over the years and I understand the desire to earn from the work hes put in. , but for many reasons I don't think we should be paying for these maps.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Please start. The problem with WT69's maps is not just the cost but also the loss of privacy as a result of PayPal payment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2894717]After well over 2000 chicks the special and memorable fantasy shit has worn off. Besides, are these hookers in search of something memorable with us? To me it is like flying. People that do not fly often or do not know you fly often always ask how was the flight. To people that fly often it is just like every other flight so there is no need to ask. We are not going to be like it was so amazing. You should have seen it. Same with hookers. I have had my dick sucked, ass licked, and cum swallowed so many times that it is nothing to get excited about and nothing that I have to make sure the girl will do before choosing her.

I bother because I know how to make my own fun and still have a good time. I am not fucking chicks to have something to remember in the future. I am fucking them to have fun today.

Yesterday on 2 different occasions I walked into a massage parlor (here in Ethiopia) and chose chicks by doing no kind of research or asking any kind of questions. In each 1 hour session the massage was $5 and the fucking was $10. Great time had with both chicks, but will go to other spots today to try some different chicks in the same manner. No research and no questions.[/QUOTE]Not that I count but I'm probably somewhere around 1. 5 k mark and it's not that I am out there to make memories as my primary objective, I don't since I am not spend time on reliving the past experiences, there are better things to do (unless something bad happened then I try to see what can I learn from it and move on), if it is memorable then it's a byproduct. I am here to have fun now, on day-to-day basis.

You seem to sound like you just take whatever random chic, with no decision making or pause and can still have fun. If you can have fun with a dead cow or some argumentative girl or a saggy tits baby damaged one then good for you. I can't have fun nor fuck 'any' chick, it's a two-way street for me. Doesn't matter if got my dick sucked by a thousand chics in the past, if the one I'm with now refuses to do it then I still care about the annoyance, I could've been spending this time with another one that does and knows how to suck it, and the day only has so many hours left before it's over.

I'm not going to put an effort and spend my limited time to try to have fun experience with one that gives me a bitchy attitude or a cold shoulder, she doesn't deserve any time, attention nor money in my book, I prefer to put a minimum effort beforehand to dismiss and forget those instantly and move to another one.

Since I assume you looked at the chics in the parlor then you did some research, you didn't come in and said to mamasan 'send me whoever, I don't care'. Even if you'd say that, you still made a decision to use a business, so some kind of minimum standard of looks and service is already assumed and expected and the chics have been preselected by the business.

And it's not that I spend hours researching it, looking at photos or discussing the service, I don't even bother to do online stuff, all in need is couple moments of IRL interaction to see if she's good enough, I don't need to talk if it's a casa, but I do need to look at her face and body and preferably have some interaction. Well, anyway, you do you, since it works for you, and I'll do me, since it works me.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2894674]Anyone interested in a new Bogota map? I'm thinking of starting one. All due respect to the WT69 and the work he's put in over the years and I understand the desire to earn from the work hes put in. , but for many reasons I don't think we should be paying for these maps.[/QUOTE]It was free for a long time-- How much were they charging?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2894869]It was free for a long time-- How much were they charging?[/QUOTE]Minimal. Pretty sure it was under 5 dollars, World Travel can chime in and tell us exactly. I'm not sure if that was the price per map or for access to all his maps.

Either way, my plan is to start a map with the idea that I will never charge for access and the data underlying the map will always be available and free, anyone can download the data and feel free to start their own map. Should they feel the inclination.

My buddy and I rented an apartment Saturday and Sunday nights just north of Calle 85 across from the Four Seasons hotel. It was a perfect base to enjoy the Colombian party scene, Zona T. The area was packed on Saturday, less so on Sunday.

There are four monger clubs in the immediate area. It's no trouble finding them because there are touts everywhere handing out cards, and one guy walked us through three of them. They were all similar: very brightly lit, fairly empty bars with a few guys and 10 to 20 girls. When you enter a bell rings and the girls stand up, pick one, and then they sit down and look bored. A room upstairs costs 200-250 mil pesos an hour, and the girls are from 300-500 mil, maybe quoting more initially.

In Olimpo VIP I hooked up with a pretty 24 year old spinner, Andrea, while my wingman waited for me. We agreed BBBJ and GFE for 300 mil pesos (actually 250 + 50 if I came, which I told her would be a challenge for an old geezer like me.) She was a great fuck and gave awesome head. The room was fine and had a bathroom with shower.

A few caveats: Andrea kept trying to pull shit which I had to deal with firmly. First she insisted I pay upfront, then she said the BJ was with condom, finally she said we had agreed to 600 mil. I'm coming to believe this may be the way Colombians operate. I speak clear Spanish and I'm very explicit about terms beforehand so she backed down each time, and it didn't affect my experience.

Secondly the drinks in these places cost 50 mil pesos. We had five drinks but the total came to 350 mil after taxes and mark ups. Less than $100 US for two guys and treating girls, but just be aware since that's a lot for Colombia.

I'll add more in another post.

Sunday around 2:00 we walked around Santa Fe. There were girls on the street but the two open clubs we went into were completely empty.

We picked up two cuties, one 22 and the other 28, and took two rooms nearby at 25 mil pesos each for 30 minutes including a towel, soap, and condom. The rooms were fine, a little worn, with bathrooms and showers.

The girls' basic pitch was 80 mil pesos for a 15 minute quickie. I negotiated 30 minute GFE, BBBJ with CIM for 180,50 of which would be a tip (and I gave her 200 in the end). My friend paid his 100 mil and got a CBJ.

Mine was a decent fuck but the BJ wasn't the best. She said that she had only been whoring a month. My friend said his gave great head.

We bought them beers from a street vendor and stood on the sidewalk chatting afterwards. Very pleasant overall and not scary, although we were on our guard.

[QUOTE=Phreeman69;2895115]My buddy and I rented an apartment Saturday and Sunday nights just north of Calle 85 across from the Four Seasons hotel. It was a perfect base to enjoy the Colombian party scene, Zona T. The area was packed on Saturday, less so on Sunday.

There are four monger clubs in the immediate area. It's no trouble finding them because there are touts everywhere handing out cards, and one guy walked us through three of them. They were all similar: very brightly lit, fairly empty bars with a few guys and 10 to 20 girls. When you enter a bell rings and the girls stand up, pick one, and then they sit down and look bored. A room upstairs costs 200-250 mil pesos an hour, and the girls are from 300-500 mil, maybe quoting more initially.

In Olimpo VIP I hooked up with a pretty 24 year old spinner, Andrea, while my wingman waited for me. We agreed BBBJ and GFE for 300 mil pesos (actually 250 + 50 if I came, which I told her would be a challenge for an old geezer like me.) She was a great fuck and gave awesome head. The room was fine and had a bathroom with shower.

A few caveats: Andrea kept trying to pull shit which I had to deal with firmly. First she insisted I pay upfront, then she said the BJ was with condom, finally she said we had agreed to 600 mil. I'm coming to believe this may be the way Colombians operate. I speak clear Spanish and I'm very explicit about terms beforehand so she backed down each time, and it didn't affect my experience..[/QUOTE]Taxes a s mark ups lmao everyone knows I A tax is already included in the price and 50 mil for a drink? In Santa Fe you can fuxk for 50 mil.

[QUOTE=Phreeman69;2895120]Sunday around 2:00 we walked around Santa Fe. There were girls on the street but the two open clubs we went into were completely empty.

We picked up two cuties, one 22 and the other 28, and took two rooms nearby at 25 mil pesos each for 30 minutes including a towel, soap, and condom. The rooms were fine, a little worn, with bathrooms and showers.

The girls' basic pitch was 80 mil pesos for a 15 minute quickie. I negotiated 30 minute GFE, BBBJ with CIM for 180,50 of which would be a tip (and I gave her 200 in the end). My friend paid his 100 mil and got a CBJ.

Mine was a decent fuck but the BJ wasn't the best. She said that she had only been whoring a month. My friend said his gave great head.

We bought them beers from a street vendor and stood on the sidewalk chatting afterwards. Very pleasant overall and not scary, although we were on our guard.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you got taken advantage of here too. In Santa Fe the going rate is 40 mil to 50 mil for the street girls. BBBJ is 20 k more. I didn't post any reports but I spent 3 days in Bogota after I went to Leticia / Perú recently and I barebacked 3 vennies from Santa Fe for 100 mil each (1 hour sessions at my hotel on cra 13). Not just BBBJ but BBFS CIP.

Ill never understand why you guys like to pay double and triple.

So my friend is trying on jeans at a high end shop in Zona T Sunday evening, and I start chatting to these two Colombianas who are walking by, both in their thirties and dressed like regular girls out for a party. We take them to Irish Pub and spend a fun couple hours drinking and eating. The one I'm sitting next to is showing some cleavage and letting me get kind of touchy. The one with my friend nicknames me "the octopus" because l'm all hands, plus she's a smoker.

My friend makes some gentle inquiries as to whether they're pros, but somehow I convince myself they're civilians (wtf was I thinking). The result is that once we have them back in our two bedroom AirBnB, mine says she wants to be paid. First it's $200 US, then $100, and I counter with 200 mil pesos and we agree 300 mil.

I stick my dick in her face and tell her to suck it, and she responds, "Oh that's extra. " I realize that this is not going to work out, so I tell her to get the hell out.

My buddy wants to keep his. I'm mad and eventually get mine to leave, walking her down (which is required by building security, a good thing. They have a record of her ID), not paying her a penny. She's mad too.

The second girl stays the night but my friend said she was terrible. He gave her $100 US. She also reports that my girl has been texting, that she had gone to work at the Olimpo VIP, and bragged that she fucked two clients there that night.

This is the first I've heard of picking up hookers in the upscale Zona T bars. Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2894673]Howdy, I'm doing a quick trip to Bogota in March for a few days. I will be staying in Chapinero.

I've read the forum going back 6 months, and given my preference for GFE and short stay, an agency seems like the best bet. I'll still drop by Santa Fe to sightsee, but probably won't partake in anything since strip clubs don't do much for me.

Out of all the agencies, I like the girls on Encounters VIP the most. For me the most important physical aspect of a girl is her face, but all agency girls have their faces blurred. Apparently Encounters has a Diamond club where you can see the girl's face unblurred. Anybody know how to join this club or how much it cost?

Also it seem like La Celestina has something similar as well, any details on either La Celestina or Encounters would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am a big fan of La Celestina! I use them every time I am in Bogota. Very consistent quality!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2895141]Ill never understand why you guys like to pay double and triple.[/QUOTE]Because it is cheaper than home.

[QUOTE=Phreeman69;2895145]So my friend is trying on jeans at a high end shop in Zona T Sunday evening, and I start chatting to these two Colombianas who are walking by, both in their thirties and dressed like regular girls out for a party. We take them to Irish Pub and spend a fun couple hours drinking and eating. The one I'm sitting next to is showing some cleavage and letting me get kind of touchy. The one with my friend nicknames me "the octopus" because l'm all hands, plus she's a smoker.

My friend makes some gentle inquiries as to whether they're pros, but somehow I convince myself they're civilians (wtf was I thinking). The result is that once we have them back in our two bedroom AirBnB, mine says she wants to be paid. First it's $200 US, then $100, and I counter with 200 mil pesos and we agree 300 mil.

I stick my dick in her face and tell her to suck it, and she responds, "Oh that's extra. " I realize that this is not going to work out, so I tell her to get the hell out.

My buddy wants to keep his. I'm mad and eventually get mine to leave, walking her down (which is required by building security, a good thing..[/QUOTE]Personally, I think that most Colombian women, except for those inexperienced / scared or with money or rich BFs, will fuck for money. I had an older woman in far West Texas lecture me on Colombian woman. She was on a seven year mission and told me to watch out for Colombian women because going for men with money was part of the culture and not to get sucked into it. She was warning me about my gal and apologized later, but she was saying it to protect me. I appreciated it, but based on what she said and what I have seen IMO the line between regular women and hookers in Colombia is very very thin.

Is olypimo a good club to hook up? Anything real good and hot around zona T. I want to party and increase my chances. Also looking at some of the spas in the area. Please let me know some recommendations.

Up until now I've been mostly a GFE guy, finding girls online before I arrive, or at the most I've went to a casa or private apartment or two. I really haven't had many "domicilios".

But after arriving at enough nasty ass places with people all around, I'm close to being a "domicilio or nothing" type of guy. The apt I'm staying in now wants me to send the info of the girl to the owner and they will then send the info to the doorman. No way in hell is someone going to give me their info before arriving, and I'm honestly too nervous to try and just wing it and have them show up to see what happens.

I've stayed at places without a doorman and I didn't have to worry about having guests, I just brought them in. Honestly, I prefer it like that, even if it's a little more dangerous. Navigating apartments with doormen is just annoying and to be honest a bit embarrassing.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2895585]Up until now I've been mostly a GFE guy, finding girls online before I arrive, or at the most I've went to a casa or private apartment or two. I really haven't had many "domicilios".

But after arriving at enough nasty ass places with people all around, I'm close to being a "domicilio or nothing" type of guy. The apt I'm staying in now wants me to send the info of the girl to the owner and they will then send the info to the doorman. No way in hell is someone going to give me their info before arriving, and I'm honestly too nervous to try and just wing it and have them show up to see what happens.

I've stayed at places without a doorman and I didn't have to worry about having guests, I just brought them in. Honestly, I prefer it like that, even if it's a little more dangerous. Navigating apartments with doormen is just annoying and to be honest a bit embarrassing.[/QUOTE]Talk to the doorman directly,"befriend" him, buy him a cheap meal and give him a decent propina and most likely he will allow you to bring in any girl with a proper ID that isn't a known bad apple. Have him hold the girl's ID until she leaves after you give him the OK to do so.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2895706]Talk to the doorman directly,"befriend" him, buy him a cheap meal and give him a decent propina and most likely he will allow you to bring in any girl with a proper ID that isn't a known bad apple. Have him hold the girl's ID until she leaves after you give him the OK to do so.[/QUOTE]I have stayed in apartments in Bogota where there are 2 or 3 doormen and / or women behind the counter at a time.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2895585]Up until now I've been mostly a GFE guy, finding girls online before I arrive, or at the most I've went to a casa or private apartment or two. I really haven't had many "domicilios".

But after arriving at enough nasty ass places with people all around, I'm close to being a "domicilio or nothing" type of guy. The apt I'm staying in now wants me to send the info of the girl to the owner and they will then send the info to the doorman. No way in hell is someone going to give me their info before arriving, and I'm honestly too nervous to try and just wing it and have them show up to see what happens.

I've stayed at places without a doorman and I didn't have to worry about having guests, I just brought them in. Honestly, I prefer it like that, even if it's a little more dangerous. Navigating apartments with doormen is just annoying and to be honest a bit embarrassing.[/QUOTE]My post history has what I used to do. Never had an issue with that aproach and it took me no more than a few hours of messaging to find a good fit.

There are also buildings with Airbnb that are best of all worlds near the Chapinero casas, easy access to zona t and Santa Fe, and easy access to love motels. And security is there, but doesn't question anything. I used to make recommendations about buildings / listings, but people kept going goldilocks with me so I kind of gave up.

For many. Best of both worlds might be to have your Airbnb but then walk to love motels a few blocks away.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2895706]Talk to the doorman directly,"befriend" him, buy him a cheap meal and give him a decent propina and most likely he will allow you to bring in any girl with a proper ID that isn't a known bad apple. Have him hold the girl's ID until she leaves after you give him the OK to do so.[/QUOTE]Yup, I stayed at a small boutique hotel in Chapinero. Had tourists but most of the staff didn't have great English. I feel like the heavy American chains are more strict. I made a 3 day stay and made my presence known early as a normal guest, always dressed in business casual and kept quiet. By my 2nd day I didn't get as many looks. I got an Eroticas Bogota girl one evening. So I waited until shift change, made friendly with the door / desk man. Asked about dinner recommendations and tipped him for that which is plausible instead of doing it while the girl comes in. Ideally walk in with her, let her know beforehand the deal that she needs an ID and for her to pretend to be your date.

In reality mine was a little awkward since we didn't know our faces so the front desk found her before I did & we weren't 100%sure it was each other. She gave ID, no issue but awkward. Fucked an hour, walked out together, she leaves and I returned 30 min later so not obvious that it was just an HR session.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2895706]Talk to the doorman directly,"befriend" him, buy him a cheap meal and give him a decent propina and most likely he will allow you to bring in any girl with a proper ID that isn't a known bad apple. Have him hold the girl's ID until she leaves after you give him the OK to do so.[/QUOTE]With airbnbs there is no consideration you need to put into it being OK or with having to make nice with the doorman. All you need to do is message the hosts to find out the situation with the building and there are no issues. I've stayed at so many airbnbs. And some hosts will literally tell you to have fun, but if you get drugged it's your problem. If you look at 30 airbnbs in an area, maybe 10 will be an obvious no based on the stated rules. Message the other 20 and you'll find a few that there are no issues.

I've only had to document one of my visitors at one of my first airbnbs, but it was because I didn't do the research / messaging the host ahead of time. And even then it wasnt a problem. I certainly know the types of buildings / doormen / hosts that some of you are talking about. But it is 100% avoidable with some upfront messaging before you book.

The topic of ids is a whole nother thing. But the decent love motels check the ids. In the past if I've had any doubt, I go to a place that I know will ID. And problem solved.

Yea, this is such bullshit. I was staying at an airbnb and it was simiilar, according to building policy I would have to contact the owner of the airbnb and send the info of the girl before the front desk would let the girl in. The worst part was that this requirement was ONLY for AIRBNB guests staying in the building. If you were just a normal renter, there were no such regulations. Which is completely ridiculous. The host made it out to seem like no big deal, but can you imagine meeting someone at a bar or something and wanting to bring them home and having to message the airbnb host at midnight or 1 am and expecting them to respond in a reasonable timeframe? We should make a list of such buildings as well as list of the good GF ones.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2895585]Up until now I've been mostly a GFE guy, finding girls online before I arrive, or at the most I've went to a casa or private apartment or two. I really haven't had many "domicilios".

But after arriving at enough nasty ass places with people all around, I'm close to being a "domicilio or nothing" type of guy. The apt I'm staying in now wants me to send the info of the girl to the owner and they will then send the info to the doorman. No way in hell is someone going to give me their info before arriving, and I'm honestly too nervous to try and just wing it and have them show up to see what happens.

I've stayed at places without a doorman and I didn't have to worry about having guests, I just brought them in. Honestly, I prefer it like that, even if it's a little more dangerous. Navigating apartments with doormen is just annoying and to be honest a bit embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2895747]Yea, this is such bullshit. I was staying at an airbnb and it was simiilar, according to building policy I would have to contact the owner of the airbnb and send the info of the girl before the front desk would let the girl in. The worst part was that this requirement was ONLY for AIRBNB guests staying in the building. If you were just a normal renter, there were no such regulations. Which is completely ridiculous. The host made it out to seem like no big deal, but can you imagine meeting someone at a bar or something and wanting to bring them home and having to message the airbnb host at midnight or 1 am and expecting them to respond in a reasonable timeframe? We should make a list of such buildings as well as list of the good GF ones.[/QUOTE]With thousands of Airbnbs and every version of rules you might find a list would be useless I think. The only solution is to check with the host before you finalize the booking to see if it is ok. But certainly if you own a house or apartment and put it on Airbnb you should have the right as a host to have whatever rules you need. And if some of those rules drive away business then that is a cost you pay.

I know that in the past when I had a unit on Airbnb I needed to have those types of rules because I was in a residential area and if neighbors saw anything like that going on my place would have been shut down in a heartbeat. So I always try to respect the rules that an owner may have, and just look somewhere else if I'm not wanted in a particular place.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2895763]With thousands of Airbnbs and every version of rules you might find a list would be useless I think. The only solution is to check with the host before you finalize the booking to see if it is ok. But certainly if you own a house or apartment and put it on Airbnb you should have the right as a host to have whatever rules you need. And if some of those rules drive away business then that is a cost you pay.

I know that in the past when I had a unit on Airbnb I needed to have those types of rules because I was in a residential area and if neighbors saw anything like that going on my place would have been shut down in a heartbeat. So I always try to respect the rules that an owner may have, and just look somewhere else if I'm not wanted in a particular place.[/QUOTE]

Respectfully, I did ask the host if guests were permitted. And he replied yes. He failed to mention that I would have to write him a message to get an approval for him beforehand. We obviously had 2 different ideas of what it means when one says "permitted". I ended up telling him that I did not agree with his interpretation and to give him credit, he gave me a refund for the days I had left on the reservation and I moved out of the airbnb early. But I still believe that my interpretation is the more accepted general one. You can decide for yourself. It was a pretty big inconvenience for me though when I had a chica come over only to get denied entry at reception.

You(general you, as in air bnb hosts in general, not you as in Zeos1) can make whatever rules you want from your experiences as a host. That is your right. But there is an argument to be made that if a host does not explicitly say that guests are not allowed in the reservation, one could reasonably presume that they are allowed. Prostitution is legal in Colombia as far as I know. Sex is legal in Colombia. If you do not want prostitution in your Airbnb, then say it. Otherwise, get your nose out of peoples business.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2895774]Respectfully, I did ask the host if guests were permitted. And he replied yes. He failed to mention that I would have to write him a message to get an approval for him beforehand. We obviously had 2 different ideas of what it means when one says "permitted". I ended up telling him that I did not agree with his interpretation and to give him credit, he gave me a refund for the days I had left on the reservation and I moved out of the airbnb early. But I still believe that my interpretation is the more accepted general one. You can decide for yourself. It was a pretty big inconvenience for me though when I had a chica come over only to get denied entry at reception.

You(general you, as in air bnb hosts in general, not you as in Zeos1) can make whatever rules you want from your experiences as a host. That is your right. But there is an argument to be made that if a host does not explicitly say that guests are not allowed in the reservation, one could reasonably presume that they are allowed. Prostitution is legal in Colombia as far as I know. Sex is legal in Colombia. If you do not want prostitution in your Airbnb, then say it. Otherwise, get your nose out of peoples business.[/QUOTE]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language and / or the message is going through a translator. And you have even more room for misunderstandings.

When I interact with people from other countries (even other English speaking ones), I take care to phrase things maybe a bit differently to avoid unexpected results. For example in this situation with messaging the hosts, here is my script that I have used to avoid all issues with these questions. Even if all the things are not true, I word things in a specific way for my own reasons.

Hello! I am super excited about your airbnb. I am traveling for work and I am exploring different parts of Bogota to consider a longer term rental. I had a few questions. To help me make my booking decision.

1) is xyz available in the kitchen? I like to cook and wanted to know.

2) what type of work chair and power is available at the desk? I can't really understand from the pictures, and I typically work from the Airbnb 2 days per week.

3) What are the rules about guests? I have work friends in Bogota that sometimes will come over for a meeting or I will make dinner for after work. I also have a few friends that will travel from outside Bogota to stay over during the weekend and want to understand any policies.

4) some other random question from the listing.


Here is what it accomplishes:

1) it shows you are not here mongering / a regular nice guy. A lot of people don't like sex tourists. Specificly women hosts.

2) it shows you are respectful and understand how things often work in Colombia, or at least with buildings in the city.

3) it gives them more information about the different scenarios with guests so that they can better respond with information to help make my decision. Some people also respond to detailed questions with detailed answers.

4) the host MIGHT interpret this as an opportunity for a longer term foreigner rental, and might change their rules or put more thought into their response. I definitely have had this last one happen.

A good amount of the time, the host responds with specifics beyond just yes or no. I book the ones that give the specifics that I want to hear. Never had a problem. If I used a simpler script would I get the same results. I dunno, maybe. But I've never had an issue and it takes me essentially no effort to message the hosts, so I do it.

I agree with most of what you are saying. Seems like a good playbook to go by. In my case this particular building has rules specifically for AirBnb guests as opposed to "normal" renters. Those rules should have been explained when I asked if guests were permitted. As they are not normal. Typically I've never seen a building with rules specifically tailored towards AirBnb guests. Building rules usually are applied to everyone equally and any rules regarding prohibition of guests have been specifically the hosts rules. First time for everything I guess.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2895798]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language and / or the message is going through a translator. And you have even more room for misunderstandings.

When I interact with people from other countries (even other English speaking ones), I take care to phrase things maybe a bit differently to avoid unexpected results. For example in this situation with messaging the hosts, here is my script that I have used to avoid all issues with these questions. Even if all the things are not true, I word things in a specific way for my own reasons.

Hello! I am super excited about your airbnb. I am traveling for work and I am exploring different parts of Bogota to consider a longer term rental. I had a few questions. To help me make my booking decision.

1) is xyz available in the kitchen? I like to cook and wanted to know.

2) what type of work chair and power is available at the desk? I can't really understand from the pictures, and I typically work from the Airbnb 2 days per week.

3) What are the rules about guests? I have work friends in Bogota that sometimes will come over for a meeting or I will make dinner for after work. I also have a few friends that will travel from outside Bogota to stay over during the weekend and want to understand any policies.

4) some other random question from the listing.


Here is what it accomplishes:

1) it shows you are not here mongering / a regular nice guy. A lot of people don't like sex tourists. Specificly women hosts.

2) it shows you are respectful and understand how things often work in Colombia, or at least with buildings in the city.

3) it gives them more information about the different scenarios with guests so that they can better respond with information to help make my decision. Some people also respond to detailed questions with detailed answers.

4) the host MIGHT interpret this as an opportunity for a longer term foreigner rental, and might change their rules or put more thought into their response. I definitely have had this last one happen.

A good amount of the time, the host responds with specifics beyond just yes or no. I book the ones that give the specifics that I want to hear. Never had a problem. If I used a simpler script would I get the same results. I dunno, maybe. But I've never had an issue and it takes me essentially no effort to message the hosts, so I do it.[/QUOTE]

These are great tips, thanks! Do you have any airbnb's you recommend? Or a good area to search? I am looking to maximize mongering time and I currently have a reservation for Tequendama Suites Bogota but I would prefer an AirBNB.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2895798]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language...[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all valuable contributions. I have been wondering about visiting Flirt hotel. Anybody had any experiences from the place? Do you bring you company there, or do they have ladies on the premises. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2895798]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language and / or the message is going through a translator. And you have even more room for misunderstandings.

When I interact with people from other countries (even other English speaking ones), I take care to phrase things maybe a bit differently to avoid unexpected results. For example in this situation with messaging the hosts, here is my script that I have used to avoid all issues with these questions. Even if all the things are not true, I word things in a specific way for my own reasons.

Hello! I am super excited about your airbnb. I am traveling for work and I am exploring different parts of Bogota to consider a longer term rental. I had a few questions. To help me make my booking decision.

1) is xyz available in the kitchen? I like to cook and wanted to know.

2) what type of work chair and power is available at the desk? I can't really understand from the pictures, and I typically work from the Airbnb 2 days per week.

3) What are the rules about guests? I have work friends in Bogota that sometimes will come over for a meeting or I will make dinner for after work. I also have a few friends that will travel from outside Bogota to stay over during the weekend and want to understand any policies.

4) some other random question from the listing..[/QUOTE]I just used your script (with a few variations) to ask an Airbnb for my upcoming trip to Pereira if I can bring in guests and it worked like a fucking charm. She said I can receive guests under my own responsibility. I take that to mean I can bring whoever I want into the Airbnb at my own risk (I. E. If I get scoped, robbed, or found dead it's my own responsibility, they are not responsible).

It's a smaller place with a mini kitchen, flat screen TV and a mini fridge, hot water in the shower, with 2 beds and a private entrance. She said she can take out one of the beds and put a desk and chair in there for me to be able to work and she can add a coffee maker LOL.

The place has a real good location on Cra 8 between Parque Libertad and the other park along the same CRA. According to WT69's maps both parks have street talent so I'll be equidistant to 2 different venues for street meat.

Here's some screen shots of how I used your script and the response I got back from the Airbnb host.

Thanks again Jack.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2895774]Respectfully, I did ask the host if guests were permitted. And he replied yes. He failed to mention that I would have to write him a message to get an approval for him beforehand. We obviously had 2 different ideas of what it means when one says "permitted". I ended up telling him that I did not agree with his interpretation and to give him credit, he gave me a refund for the days I had left on the reservation and I moved out of the airbnb early. But I still believe that my interpretation is the more accepted general one. You can decide for yourself. It was a pretty big inconvenience for me though when I had a chica come over only to get denied entry at reception.

You(general you, as in air bnb hosts in general, not you as in Zeos1) can make whatever rules you want from your experiences as a host. That is your right. But there is an argument to be made that if a host does not explicitly say that guests are not allowed in the reservation, one could reasonably presume that they are allowed. Prostitution is legal in Colombia as far as I know. Sex is legal in Colombia. If you do not want prostitution in your Airbnb, then say it. Otherwise, get your nose out of peoples business.[/QUOTE]Yep, I see your point. I have actually had a similar experience in Costa Rica where the host rules were one thing and the building rules, specifically applied to single woman guests, were not communicated before booking or by the host. And that sucks. I had a female friend fully booked with me beforehand, and the host had all of her ID info, but when she came to the building there was still a big hassle. It is very annoying. Eventually they let her in, but then said that I needed specific instructions from the host each day. I complained to the host and he did something so that at least they let her in after checking everything, taking a pic of her ID, etc. - every time she came to see me. Later I found out that the actual condo rule was if your booking was over a week or something you could have guests, as long as they were ok with the host, but under that they said no guests no matter what. Anyway. The place was very annoying. And the host certainly should let you know about the condo rules as well as his own. Before you put your money down with no refund.

[QUOTE=Pete6;2895950]Thanks for all valuable contributions. I have been wondering about visiting Flirt hotel. Anybody had any experiences from the place? Do you bring you company there, or do they have ladies on the premises. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I have heard it is a big rip off-- I know there is a post about it and the guy paid a lotta cash for not much.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2895980]I just used your script (with a few variations) to ask an Airbnb for my upcoming trip to Pereira if I can bring in guests and it worked like a fucking charm. She said I can receive guests under my own responsibility. I take that to mean I can bring whoever I want into the Airbnb at my own risk (I. E. If I get scoped, robbed, or found dead it's my own responsibility, they are not responsible).

It's a smaller place with a mini kitchen, flat screen TV and a mini fridge, hot water in the shower, with 2 beds and a private entrance. She said she can take out one of the beds and put a desk and chair in there for me to be able to work and she can add a coffee maker LOL.

The place has a real good location on Cra 8 between Parque Libertad and the other park along the same CRA. According to WT69's maps both parks have street talent so I'll be equidistant to 2 different venues for street meat.

Here's some screen shots of how I used your script and the response I got back from the Airbnb host.

Thanks again Jack.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear it. One general suggestion is to consider adding the overnight work friend aspect in there too. You could also consider getting the work desk and chair for increased options for sex positions jaja.

My theory is to protect against a building that might not care about day time guests vs night time ones. I have no facts to support that though. Doesn't sound like it matters based on her response, but just wanted to better explain my reason to have the two guest scenarios.

Thanks for posting the Spanish version!

Would you mind sharing a link to the AirBNB you are talking about? I am looking for a place and that sounds like what I am looking for.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2895980]I just used your script (with a few variations) to ask an Airbnb for my upcoming trip to Pereira if I can bring in guests and it worked like a fucking charm. She said I can receive guests under my own responsibility. I take that to mean I can bring whoever I want into the Airbnb at my own risk (I. E. If I get scoped, robbed, or found dead it's my own responsibility, they are not responsible)...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phreeman69;2895145]So my friend is trying on jeans at a high end shop in Zona T Sunday evening, and I start chatting to these two Colombianas who are walking by, both in their thirties and dressed like regular girls out for a party. We take them to Irish Pub and spend a fun couple hours drinking and eating. The one I'm sitting next to is showing some cleavage and letting me get kind of touchy. The one with my friend nicknames me "the octopus" because l'm all hands, plus she's a smoker.

My friend makes some gentle inquiries as to whether they're pros, but somehow I convince myself they're civilians (wtf was I thinking). The result is that once we have them back in our two bedroom AirBnB, mine says she wants to be paid. First it's $200 US, then $100, and I counter with 200 mil pesos and we agree 300 mil.

I stick my dick in her face and tell her to suck it, and she responds, "Oh that's extra. " I realize that this is not going to work out, so I tell her to get the hell out.

My buddy wants to keep his. I'm mad and eventually get mine to leave, walking her down (which is required by building security, a good thing. They have a record of her ID), not paying her a penny. She's mad too.

The second girl stays the night but my friend said she was terrible. He gave her $100 US. She also reports that my girl has been texting, that she had gone to work at the Olimpo VIP, and bragged that she fucked two clients there that night.

This is the first I've heard of picking up hookers in the upscale Zona T bars. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]Consider yourself lucky you weren't drugged and robbed. There are plenty of girls in bars in such places looking for guys "ready to party". Maybe what saved you was the airbnb and the security they had. A friend of mine was drugged with scopolamine and robbed, and they even woke him up to ask him where his laptop and phone chargers were. They just took small stuff it could fit in a backpack, but still the risk of being robbed by a more organized band that would max credit cards or even kidnap you are too big. Moreover, with all those venezuelans around feeling they could do whatever because if they are caught there is no way to prosecute them if they don't have papers. Legal system in Colombia sadly sucks.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2896052]Would you mind sharing a link to the AirBNB you are talking about? I am looking for a place and that sounds like what I am looking for.[/QUOTE]It's in Pereira, a smaller city in the coffee axis, it's not in Bogota. I just was telling Jack Taggart how his script had worked for me.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2896006]I have heard it is a big rip off-- I know there is a post about it and the guy paid a lotta cash for not much.[/QUOTE]Thanks, you are the veteran, so if you have not been there, it is probably not worth it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2895458]Personally, I think that most Colombian women, except for those inexperienced / scared or with money or rich BFs, will fuck for money...[/QUOTE]Would you say this to be true in a high-middle-class area like Chapinero?

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2894674]Anyone interested in a new Bogota map? I'm thinking of starting one. All due respect to the WT69 and the work he's put in over the years and I understand the desire to earn from the work hes put in. , but for many reasons I don't think we should be paying for these maps.[/QUOTE]This is a newish one I took from another forum (it's been around for a couple of months).

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1rCAtF4OgnKz4MVSCFi_K9i8AF1jax-rq&ll=4.61809952831542%2C-74.10046474794922&z=11[/URL]

There are plenty of places in Chapinero plus some in the very south of the city for the most daring mongers.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2896297]This is a newish one I took from another forum (it's been around for a couple of months).

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1rCAtF4OgnKz4MVSCFi_K9i8AF1jax-rq&ll=4.61809952831542%2C-74.10046474794922&z=11[/URL]

There are plenty of places in Chapinero plus some in the very south of the city for the most daring mongers.

Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Nice map bro. Bogota is so much bigger than just santa fe. He needs to add in pink streets for 7 de Agosto and Primero de mayo street zones.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2896297]This is a newish one I took from another forum (it's been around for a couple of months).

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1rCAtF4OgnKz4MVSCFi_K9i8AF1jax-rq&ll=4.61809952831542%2C-74.10046474794922&z=11[/URL]

There are plenty of places in Chapinero plus some in the very south of the city for the most daring mongers.

Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Awesome map.

LOCATION: 3 Weeks in as of yesterday. I chose an Airbnb in the North side close to Suba and Usaquen. Man I'm so impressed. The area is quiet and I'm able to work peacefully. So if you're a digital nomad like me I highly recommend this area especially if you're a couple. I say this bc it's a residential area, many one story homes, retirement homes, apt buildings, stores and restaurants. No bars or clubs in sight. But it works well if you're here to work or want to stay in a very safe area. I get starred at when I walk around and people ask me questions like where I'm from in stores and restaurants, due to no other Gringos around. Police stations or hubs are very visible. Food is also great in tihs area. Lived near Chapinero and Centro before and wasnt as good. One thing I do not see in Medellin is that these homes and apt buildings have live electrical wires around the top of the gates all around, with warning signs "high voltage", LOL, like you'll be electrocuted trying to jump a fence. Security here is insane. But as you all know, for you mongers all that shit can be thrown out of the window if you invite the wrong be in and she drugs your ass LOL. I must register a girl in advance to bring her here and def no working girls.

TOURS: Heck during previous trips I never cared for tours, in fact even during my last 5 months in Medellin I never visited guatape. But some local chic insisted to take me to the Presidential palace, plaza bolivar, la candelaria, few other spots I haven't been to. Shit was fun doing something other making appts with hos and strip clubs.

FAV SPOTS for Non Pros: Since I know couple chicas here incl one from prev trips. Our favorite to-go spot to hang is an area called Galleria, near calle 53rd. This is where you'll find lots of nice bars and restaurants, ex Colombian Pub, nice place to go on a Fri. / sat night to drink and dance, at normal prices I must say. A mid size red label bottle of whisky costs me like 85 k. Obviously you can also go to Zona T, a bit more upscale and much more expensive but I don't go there often except for when my hotel was close to it on prev viaje.

PUTAS: Outside of my couple regular-want to be novias, I've been to the Santa Fe areas few times. I prefer to bang the street chicas, and to me they look nice, dress nice, standing in those garage lobbys. Seen many solid 7/8's. I enjoy them bc I prefer to spend an hour and 150 k is usually enough and I don't do the 50-70 k rato quickies. Maybe it's just me but the quality in SF has gone up with the street chicas, they seem to dress more elegant a bit or it could be during diff hours. But when I walk around I have trouble picking, so many are super hot. Few of them gave me the ride of my life. I usually walk around few laps before I pick, go in the clubs for drinks, then out w a good idea who's going to get it.

In the SF clubs, I had a great experience in Troya w Natalia, looks and smiles exactly like Darcy Lynn from AGT, except the hair color, really no kidding. She was sweet, kisses, and lasted around 15 min 150 k mil a couple weeks back. Honestly one of the tightest and best pussies I've had in that area. She said she was new.

After her I realized most of those clubs charge 140-150 k for only 15 minutes which I find stupid. I never asked for the time prior, and started declining offers after a bad experience last weekend in Paisas. This vennie chic was sitting alone even though the club was full, dudes were looking at me crazy since I sat close to her. I guess they knew I'd fall victim. She at first offered me a dance, 50 K, and when I asked what else she does and how things work she said she only danced. It's possible she didn't detect my gringo accent yet. Bc after I declined, and another girl sat with me drinking, and pulled few hundreds mil pesos bills by accident to pay, she realized I had money and things changed quickly. I told second girl I wasnt interested since started talking too much. Basically told her we'll chat later.

The loner vennie came back laughing, and said she'll go upstairs with me for 140 k. She had a nice body and my ego got to me thinking I was special, she doesn't fuck most dudes, and making exception for me oh yeahh I'm the man. Being stupid and slipped on my game and I fell for hers. As soon as I paid her, then 10 k for room, things changed. She left the door opened wide I layed naked trying to talk to her mesera. I yelled yo close the fucking door and clearly did that intentionally to kill my mood. Then she came spending several minutes cleaning. Who the fuck cleans a condom? I'm thinking she's about the blow me and she said you're ready? Then quickly my shit went soft cause she doest suck dick LMAO. I wish I could tell yall her name to avoid her but forgot. Damn it. Then as we argued a bit someone knocked on the fucking door and she said time's up. I'm sure we were in the room for like 10 minutes, and I'm also sure she told that lady to come knock on the door quicker. No fucking, nothing and she ran out quick before I can put my pants on with my 140 k LOL.

This is partially my fault, especially bc she told me at first she didn't fuck and changed her mind, I should've known and paid attention to that clear flag. But instead I failed to use logic on this one. A good $40 lesson, well worth it, and I laugh still today with buddies about it.

I'd say at least once or twice a year, a good lesson is needed with putas to keep our guard on and remind us that most putas are actual thieves. This is everywhere, except there are some establishments where you can report them and you'd get your money back, or places like the DR where the police is mostly on your side. But in Colombia you'll always be the victim, the cops hate gringos here. The clubs don't give a shit since those girls are independent, plus many times those guys who beg you to go in, I must fight with them to give me back my change after I pay for a drink. Few times I've walked out without doing biz with a girl bc of this. I would pay for my drink and hers and they'd spend over an hour not bringing me my change, like hoping I'd forget it. Obviously this doesn't happen in most controlled casas. But beware.

I'm not cheap nor have money prob, but I'm just someone of principles and I really, really hate when a mfr think I'm stupid trying to take advantage of me. Like my blood will boil and ready to fight. I tip everyone who offers good or normal service, but when those guys try me, I'll leave the girl, I ask rudely for my fucking change and look at them right in the eye and give them no tip and walk out. Physically I'm not superman but I'm not small and I don't look friendly, that keep mfr at their distance no matter where I go. Few nights prior I was chatting a non working chica in the street, she was selling drugs and I simply was trying to get her number and asking her out. Her boss or pimp whatever came yelling at my face, I guess for wasting her time, I'm taller than the little fucker so I walked right to his face and asked him what's his problem. I'm quick to let people know I'm from the streets also and to not confuse me with mr nice guy, but she quickly went to argue w him, made a case for me said I was buying her a drink which I did LOL. She was like a 9, got the digits LOL. Yeah I'm sure he couldve been armed but you can't show street jeets your afraid of them. In my experience the more affraid you appear the quicker of a target you can become, they see you as a chomp.

When I stayed in a hotel in el centro medellin w a buddy that I met there, dude got robbed 3 times within couple weeks near the spot, and same thieves when they see me they just nod LOL. Thing I do is make eye contact, don't show fear, in fact you need to look like you're dangerous yourself, not to be fucked with, or somehow simply don't give the opportunity. (don't have money out, phone, etc). There isn't just one way to stay safe, but everyone who fall victims usually have one thing in common, they were an easy target. Not always, but it's either that or just unlucky. Clearly I'm speaking of solo traveling cause in groups no one will come at you like that. I learned many things being mostly a solo traveler. Even in my so called safe area. When I'm walking around and someone stares at me for more than 10 secs I stare right back at them intentionally till they look away. Like I see you too mfr LOL.

CLUBS / CASAS / MILEROTICS: Visited few other spots closer to me, met couple hotties in Club Sixty Nine. Found that club after I visited a girl from Mileroticos. Luna, 28,120 k for the HR she stays in a hotel in calle 65, same street as Pussy H. Luna had a super tight hole. OMG she was fucking awesome even though she said at first not to touch her pussy and breast. I managed to touch lightly and she didn't mind. Damn that was a great fuck. She was soo good that I decided to walk around a bit to see what's in that area for a second round that eve. Noted several casas nearby, walked in one that only had 3 girls, the boss lady / mesera said she was also on the menu and I fucked her for 50 k, great MILF pussy holy shit. One of the tricks I figured out is that in any area where they have hotels with many girls working, or strip clubs, casas, it means it's a tolerance zone. And if you came to the area for one, all you got to do is walk around and you'll find many others, or guys offering you to go in, handing biz cards, etc. That's how I found club sixty nine close by, 24 HR, prices 150-200 k /30 min-1 HR. Fuck monger maps, use Google maps and type "strip clubs, erotic, erotic masaje, adulto, etc. After you find one club or case, scroll down to see other related places". Also I use ErosMotel close by to meet with some mileroticos / photoprepago chicas.

I'm still researching my next destination / country in coming weeks, till then let the fuckery continue.

Safe Travels!

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2895798]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language and / or the message is going through a translator. And you have even more room for misunderstandings.

When I interact with people from other countries (even other English speaking ones), I take care to phrase things maybe a bit differently to avoid unexpected results. For example in this situation with messaging the hosts, here is my script that I have used to avoid all issues with these questions. Even if all the things are not true, I word things in a specific way for my own reasons.[/QUOTE]- IF no. 3 about bringing guests is your main goal, this trick won't work. I truly do work remotely so I always ask similar questions like about having ethernet connection for my own router, the right speed, must have a work desk and ergonomic chair etc. I also ask about Electric stove, I rarely take a place w gas bc while in mde once I was getting sick for weeks and it was an undetectable gas leak, and you don't have to worry about that with electric stoves. Here's the problem w bringing guess pretending they're business buds or family LOL:

- First, most encounters will be at night.

- If real hookers, most are aren't going to dress like colleagues or clients, especially coming to visit after PM, yeah right.

- And the funniest of them all, Reception and Security staff will take notes that all your guests leaves after 30 minutes to an hour LOL. Unless your paying 1 M pesos for only overnight / several HR visits.

- I've dealt with that and still in this situation, in strict places with no WG I only bring real non pros, and confirm they're spending weekends, nights, etc. Even told them if they leave after minutes.

I'm in trouble since they'll be seen as WGs LOL. And I take WG to motels. I mean $5-15 usd is all you need for a motel.

- Point is, it's best to follow and honor the rules of your apt, besides, lots of Airbnbs and apts with no 24/7 security, just self checkins and you can bring anyone anytime. Not worth playing tricks and.

Games with words. As the building owner I'd wonder why you're 60 and all your colleagues are hot young blondes / brunettes in their early 20's? LOL.

All fun and games bruh. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Lulle;2896234]Would you say this to be true in a high-middle-class area like Chapinero?[/QUOTE]That is not a middle class part of the city. Remember neighborhoods are rated from 1 to 6 with 6 being the richest. In Chapinero, the upper socioeconomic class predominates: 45.8% of the properties are stratum 6 and occupy most of the local urban area, 30.8% belong to stratum 4 properties, stratum 5 represents 11.7%.

Middle class would be neighborhoods where the majority of the neighborhood is rated as 3 or 4. And yeah, I think many Colombian women in the 1-4 stratums would have sex for money. When you get to 5 or 6, it is much less likely, but you do not want anything long term with the lower classes. IMO most are too poor to think long term with anyone outside of their neighborhood.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2896534]- IF NO. 3 about bringing guests is your main goal, this trick won't work. I truly do work remotely so I always ask similar questions like about having ethernet connection for my own router, the right speed, must have a work desk and ergonomic chair etc. I also ask about Electric stove, I rarely take a place w gas bc while in mde once I was getting sick for weeks and it was an undetectable gas leak, and you don't have to worry about that with electric stoves. Here's the problem w bringing guess pretending they're business buds or family LOL:

- First, most encounters will be at night.

- If real hookers, most are arent going to dress like colleagues or clients, especially coming to visit after PM, yeah right.

- And the funniest of them all, Reception and Security staff will take notes that all your guests leaves after 30 minutes to an hour LOL. Unless your paying 1 M pesos for only overnight / several HR visits.

- I've dealt with that and still in this situation, in strict places with no WG I only bring real non pros, and confirm they're spending weekends, nights, etc. Even told them if they leave after minutes.

I'm in trouble since they'll be seen as WGs LOL. And I take WG to motels. I mean $5-15 usd is all you need for a motel.

- Point is, it's best to follow and honor the rules of your apt, besides, lots of Airbnbs and apts with no 24/7 security, just self checkins and you can bring anyone anytime. Not worth playing tricks and.

Games with words. As the building owner I'd wonder why you're 60 and all your colleagues are hot young blondes / brunettes in their early 20's? LOL.

All fun and games bruh. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstanding the purpose. It's not to circumvent a buildings rules. It's to force the clear disclosure of what the actual rules are. And while I do suggest it could cause the host to change their rules - that would be so it would be in line with the buildings.

It allowed me to successfully avoid buildings and / or owners with strict rules 100% of the time. And it's allowed me to successfully book airbnbs with super easy / relaxed policies 100% if the time. I've literally had hosts tell me to have fun.

It also gave me validation that my reading of the rules, or lack of definition was correct.

There are tons of buildings that are so big that security doesn't even ask or care what you do unless it's like a hot mess. But those outlier situations are the mongers problem. And a hotel wouldn't put up with that. But I'm that same big building , the host might have their own self imposed rules that are worth bending.

So yes, #3 100% has the effect I think it does. Also. I happened to be there for work too and worked from the airbnb. Not that it really matters. I was just pointing out that it didn't have to be true for someone to ask the questions.

No where am I advocating bringing in street girls in for short stays. The topic was in general how to avoid overly strict buildings / owners that don't do a good job of disclosing the policy.

All the other stuff your saying is also on the monger. I don't happen to be 60 and bringing street girls. All under a completely different topic about being discreet when needed.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2896567]I think you misunderstanding the purpose. It's not to circumvent a buildings rules. It's to force the clear disclosure of what the actual rules are. And while I do suggest it could cause the host to change their rules - that would be so it would be in line with the buildings.

It allowed me to successfully avoid buildings and / or owners with strict rules 100% of the time. And it's allowed me to successfully book airbnbs with super easy / relaxed policies 100% if the time. I've literally had hosts tell me to have fun.

It also gave me validation that my reading of the rules, or lack of definition was correct.

There are tons of buildings that are so big that security doesn't even ask or care what you do unless it's like a hot mess. But those outlier situations are the mongers problem. And a hotel wouldn't put up with that. But I'm that same big building , the host might have their own self imposed rules that are worth bending.

So yes, #3 100% has the effect I think it does. Also. I happened to be there for work too and worked from the airbnb. Not that it really matters. I was just pointing out that it didn't have to be true for someone to ask the questions.

No where am I advocating bringing in street girls in for short stays. The topic was in general how to avoid overly strict buildings / owners that don't do a good job of disclosing the policy.

All the other stuff your saying is also on the monger. I don't happen to be 60 and bringing street girls. All under a completely different topic about being discreet when needed.[/QUOTE]In general I have noticed a few trends for buildings:

1. If a building requires a card key to go up the elevator, security is relatively lax. I am currently in Bacata and security is quite vigilant since anyone can go up the elevator so they need to be careful. In bulidings that require card access, they know that people can't go up.

2. If the age difference isn't too big, security tends not to notice. They really don't care about you bringing guests, they just want to make sure you don't get hurt or robbed. My last stay in Bogota, the guy in the room next to me was a 30 YO white guy who used to bring chicks in every other day. Never had a problem with the reception.

3. Most buildings don't actually have rules for guests. Most of the rules are set by hosts. I have been in many buildings where one host says I can bring guests but another says I cannot. Security has even told me different things.

4. If you generally look like a local, they can't tell much of a difference. Since Colombians come in all colors, it largely comes down to how you dress.

5. The larger and newer the building, the less likely the reception will recognize or remember you.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2896529]LOCATION: 3 Weeks in as of yesterday. I chose an Airbnb in the North side close to Suba and Usaquen. Man I'm so impressed. The area is quiet and I'm able to work peacefully. So if you're a digital nomad like me I highly recommend this area especially if you're a couple. I say this bc it's a residential area, many one story homes, retirement homes, apt buildings, stores and restaurants. No bars or clubs in sight. But it works well if you're here to work or want to stay in a very safe area. I get starred at when I walk around and people ask me questions like where I'm from in stores and restaurants, due to no other Gringos around. Police stations or hubs are very visible. Food is also great in tihs area. Lived near Chapinero and Centro before and wasnt as good. One thing I do not see in Medellin is that these homes and apt buildings have live electrical wires around the top of the gates all around, with warning signs "high voltage", LOL, like you'll be electrocuted trying to jump a fence. Security here is insane. But as you all know, for you mongers all that shit can be thrown out of the window if you invite the wrong be in and she drugs your ass LOL. I must register a girl in advance to bring her here and def no working girls.

TOURS: Heck during previous trips I never cared for tours, in fact even during my last 5 months in Medellin I never visited guatape. But some local chic insisted to take me to the Presidential palace, plaza bolivar, la candelaria, few other spots I haven't been to. Shit was fun doing something other making appts with hos and strip clubs.

FAV SPOTS for Non Pros: Since I know couple chicas here incl one from prev trips. Our favorite to-go spot to hang is an area called Galleria, near calle 53rd. This is where you'll find lots of nice bars and restaurants, ex Colombian Pub, nice place to go on a Fri. / sat night to drink and dance, at normal prices I must say. A mid size red label bottle of whisky costs me like 85 k. Obviously you can also go to Zona T, a bit more upscale and much more expensive but I don't go there often except for when my hotel was close to it on prev viaje.

PUTAS: Outside of my couple regular-want to be novias, I've been to the Santa Fe areas few times. I prefer to bang the street chicas, and to me they look nice, dress nice, standing in those garage lobbys. Seen many solid 7/8's. I enjoy them bc I prefer to spend an hour and 150 k is usually enough and I don't do the 50-70 k rato quickies. Maybe it's just me but the quality in SF has gone up with the street chicas, they seem to dress more elegant a bit or it could be during diff hours. But when I walk around I have trouble picking, so many are super hot. Few of them gave me the ride of my life. I usually walk around few laps before I pick, go in the clubs for drinks, then out w a good idea who's going to get it.

In the SF clubs, I had a great experience in Troya w Natalia, looks and smiles exactly like Darcy Lynn from AGT, except the hair color, really no kidding. She was sweet, kisses, and lasted around 15 min 150 k mil a couple weeks back. Honestly one of the tightest and best pussies I've had in that area. She said she was new.

After her I realized most of those clubs charge 140-150 k for only 15 minutes which I find stupid. I never asked for the time prior, and started declining offers after a bad experience last weekend in Paisas. This vennie chic was sitting alone even though the club was full, dudes were looking at me crazy since I sat close to her. I guess they knew I'd fall victim. She at first offered me a dance, 50 K, and when I asked what else she does and how things work she said she only danced. It's possible she didn't detect my gringo accent yet. Bc after I declined, and another girl sat with me drinking, and pulled few hundreds mil pesos bills by accident to pay, she realized I had money and things changed quickly. I told second girl I wasnt interested since started talking too much. Basically told her we'll chat later.

The loner vennie came back laughing, and said she'll go upstairs with me for 140 k. She had a nice body and my ego got to me thinking I was special, she doesn't fuck most dudes, and making exception for me oh yeahh I'm the man. Being stupid and slipped on my game and I fell for hers. As soon as I paid her, then 10 k for room, things changed. She left the door opened wide I layed naked trying to talk to her mesera. I yelled yo close the fucking door and clearly did that intentionally to kill my mood. Then she came spending several minutes cleaning. Who the fuck cleans a condom? I'm thinking she's about the blow me and she said you're ready? Then quickly my shit went soft cause she doest suck dick LMAO. I wish I could tell yall her name to avoid her but forgot. Damn it. Then as we argued a bit someone knocked on the fucking door and she said time's up. I'm sure we were in the room for like 10 minutes, and I'm also sure she told that lady to come knock on the door quicker. No fucking, nothing and she ran out quick before I can put my pants on with my 140 k LOL.

This is partially my fault, especially bc she told me at first she didn't fuck and changed her mind, I should've known and paid attention to that clear flag. But instead I failed to use logic on this one. A good $40 lesson, well worth it, and I laugh still today with buddies about it.

I'd say at least once or twice a year, a good lesson is needed with putas to keep our guard on and remind us that most putas are actual thieves. This is everywhere, except there are some establishments where you can report them and you'd get your money back, or places like the DR where the police is mostly on your side. But in Colombia you'll always be the victim, the cops hate gringos here. The clubs don't give a shit since those girls are independent, plus many times those guys who beg you to go in, I must fight with them to give me back my change after I pay for a drink. Few times I've walked out without doing biz with a girl bc of this. I would pay for my drink and hers and they'd spend over an hour not bringing me my change, like hoping I'd forget it. Obviously this doesn't happen in most controlled casas. But beware.

I'm not cheap nor have money prob, but I'm just someone of principles and I really, really hate when a mfr think I'm stupid trying to take advantage of me. Like my blood will boil and ready to fight. I tip everyone who offers good or normal service, but when those guys try me, I'll leave the girl, I ask rudely for my fucking change and look at them right in the eye and give them no tip and walk out. Physically I'm not superman but I'm not small and I don't look friendly, that keep mfr at their distance no matter where I go. Few nights prior I was chatting a non working chica in the street, she was selling drugs and I simply was trying to get her number and asking her out. Her boss or pimp whatever came yelling at my face, I guess for wasting her time, I'm taller than the little fucker so I walked right to his face and asked him what's his problem. I'm quick to let people know I'm from the streets also and to not confuse me with mr nice guy, but she quickly went to argue w him, made a case for me said I was buying her a drink which I did LOL. She was like a 9, got the digits LOL. Yeah I'm sure he couldve been armed but you can't show street jeets your afraid of them. In my experience the more affraid you appear the quicker of a target you can become, they see you as a chomp.

When I stayed in a hotel in el centro medellin w a buddy that I met there, dude got robbed 3 times within couple weeks near the spot, and same thieves when they see me they just nod LOL. Thing I do is make eye contact, don't show fear, in fact you need to look like you're dangerous yourself, not to be fucked with, or somehow simply don't give the opportunity. (don't have money out, phone, etc). There isn't just one way to stay safe, but everyone who fall victims usually have one thing in common, they were an easy target. Not always, but it's either that or just unlucky. Clearly I'm speaking of solo traveling cause in groups no one will come at you like that. I learned many things being mostly a solo traveler. Even in my so called safe area. When I'm walking around and someone stares at me for more than 10 secs I stare right back at them intentionally till they look away. Like I see you too mfr LOL.

CLUBS / CASAS / MILEROTICS: Visited few other spots closer to me, met couple hotties in Club Sixty Nine. Found that club after I visited a girl from Mileroticos. Luna, 28,120 k for the HR she stays in a hotel in calle 65, same street as Pussy H. Luna had a super tight hole. OMG she was fucking awesome even though she said at first not to touch her pussy and breast. I managed to touch lightly and she didn't mind. Damn that was a great fuck. She was soo good that I decided to walk around a bit to see what's in that area for a second round that eve. Noted several casas nearby, walked in one that only had 3 girls, the boss lady / mesera said she was also on the menu and I fucked her for 50 k, great MILF pussy holy shit. One of the tricks I figured out is that in any area where they have hotels with many girls working, or strip clubs, casas, it means it's a tolerance zone. And if you came to the area for one, all you got to do is walk around and you'll find many others, or guys offering you to go in, handing biz cards, etc. That's how I found club sixty nine close by, 24 HR, prices 150-200 k /30 min-1 HR. Fuck monger maps, use Google maps and type "strip clubs, erotic, erotic masaje, adulto, etc. After you find one club or case, scroll down to see other related places". Also I use ErosMotel close by to meet with some mileroticos / photoprepago chicas.

I'm still researching my next destination / country in coming weeks, till then let the fuckery continue.

Safe Travels![/QUOTE]Good report. I'm glad you are having fun. The prices in the Santa Fe clubs are quite high on a per hour basis. I similarly got quoted 150 k for un rato and 240 k for 30 minutes, all covered at Troya which I rejected. The girl was hot but it just isn't worth it. For 480 k / hour you can get a semi-pro on seeking. IMO the best value in Santa Fe remains the street girls. If the girl at Troya was an 8, the girl I found on the street was a 7. But I paid the street girl 70 k for a rato with BBBJ and some LFK. I added another 50 k for another 20 minutes which at 120 k was way better value than Troya.

The club atmosphere is nice and the lap dances are cool but as you mentioned, there is no one to complain to for bad service as the girls are independent and can easily move to a new club.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2896567]I think you misunderstanding the purpose. It's not to circumvent a buildings rules. It's to force the clear disclosure of what the actual rules are. And while I do suggest it could cause the host to change their rules - that would be so it would be in line with the buildings.

It allowed me to successfully avoid buildings and / or owners with strict rules 100% of the time. And it's allowed me to successfully book airbnbs with super easy / relaxed policies 100% if the time. I've literally had hosts tell me to have fun..[/QUOTE]Obviously anyone can do what they want. I wasn't trying to say you're 60 and you assumed I was referring to you. You made a public post in a monger forum, and perhaps many other gents that will follow your instructions and tips will be 60+. No humor these days? That's all that was.

It's pretty simple, just follow and honor someone's house rule is always best. To me respect goes a long way and I don't even have to explain the safety benefits. You were indeed referring to guests, aka WG. Then now you're saying you were not referring to that? All that eloquent writing and word plays to the hosts for nothing? You're using all types of complex explanations to have to lie about colleagues in the area that you don't have. I'm just saying, take from an experienced traveler that never ends well and it's wrong. These hosts and guards aren't slow. They know. Sometimes they want to keep your business and they say nothing, but you didn't play them.

I don't have explain why wrong is wrong do I?

Besides there are tons and tons of airbnbs w / o strict rules, easier to use those if you plan to bring in lots of women. When I'm in real vacas and not working, I rent places without reception, private entry, and bring 2-4 women a day for sport fucking with no issues. Different places exist for diff purposes.

Entonces, I know I know, us Americans are entitled and believe we can manipulate and exploit everything and everywhere, so I get it the attitude.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2896695]Good report. I'm glad you are having fun. The prices in the Santa Fe clubs are quite high on a per hour basis. I similarly got quoted 150 k for un rato and 240 k for 30 minutes, all covered at Troya which I rejected. The girl was hot but it just isn't worth it. For 480 k / hour you can get a semi-pro on seeking. IMO the best value in Santa Fe remains the street girls. If the girl at Troya was an 8, the girl I found on the street was a 7. But I paid the street girl 70 k for a rato with BBBJ and some LFK. I added another 50 k for another 20 minutes which at 120 k was way better value than Troya.

The club atmosphere is nice and the lap dances are cool but as you mentioned, there is no one to complain to for bad service as the girls are independent and can easily move to a new club.[/QUOTE]It's a 25 min taxi drive for me to SF, but so worth it each time even w that bad experience in Paisas. The street girls are definitely worth it, some have offered even 50 k for a quickie. I must give credit to club Texas and California which I forgot to mention. Those girls arent the prettiest but they don't really charge for lap dances. But I always tip and some are pretty. If you go early Texas is usually crowded with locals, and the girls are nice. Just go to an outside hotel 10 k instead of inside the clubs since the rooms there arent so clean, at least when I did. 60-70 k for the girl. Same pricing in California late nights. Nearly empty but you can find few gems inside once in a while. Staff is a bit more attentive in those. When I arrive and walked a bit I want to sit and drink, converse, so the clubs are good for that, but again, so many beauties outside. After I chat with the chicas and bought them drinks, if I don't take them to a room I'll tip 20 k min and they seem to be impressed with that. Next time they see me or in the streets it's always titty hugs LOL.

Overalll SF's a good spot to hang and very safe. Something for everyone and for every budget.

Mexico City has the new int airport NLU (AIFA, Aeropuerto Internacional Filipe de Angeles) with 15 K feet runway, combined with the old MEX, both about 20 min taxi ride to Centro. They can handle lots of air traffic and are hubs with lots of cheap flights to South and Central America.

Cancun is one of Mexico's busiest airport, has lots of non-stop flights to various cities in Latin countries, Bogota, Medellin, Panama, Costa Rica ect. I have not checked but Cancun is a very popular vacation spot, so there should be nonstop flights to Rio and Buenos Aires.

Use MEX and CUN as gateways, you can book nonstop flights to Bogota or Medellin, Colombia for $617 RT. In MEX and CUN you can have short waits for connecting flights, or if fancy strikes, you can spend a few-day layover in each. Both are nice places to visit cheap:

Multi-city trip Economy $617.

Mon, Mar 25 VivaAerobus 3 HR 25 min TIJ–NLU Nonstop.

Mon, Mar 25 VivaAerobus 2 HR 15 min NLU–CUN Nonstop.

Thu, Apr 4 Avianca 3 HR 25 min CUN–BOG Nonstop.

Fri, Apr 12 VivaAerobus 5 HR BOG–MEX Nonstop.

Fri, Apr 12 Volaris 3 HR 35 min MEX–TIJ Nonstop.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2896698]
Besides there are tons and tons of airbnbs w / o strict rules, easier to use those if you plan to bring in lots of women. When I'm in real vacas and not working, I rent places without reception, private entry, and bring 2-4 women a day for sport fucking with no issues. Different places exist for diff purposes.
[/QUOTE]I agree with this, and this is the way I'm leaning. I'the just rather avoid the time wasted, awkwardness, and bullshit of trying to bring a girl into a building with a doorman. I don't care about bribing them either, they can buy their own dinner. Sometimes the listing shows the outside so you know it's not a secured (apart from a locked gate) building. And if they don't mention guests, better to ask for forgiveness than permission. I know a lot of people are hesitant to be in a place without a doorman, but to me it's better, I don't even want to have to make small talk with them even if it's just me there passing by them everyday. Just want to go about my business.

Another thing is these places almost always have other people living there anyway, so if anything really happens you can just make some noise, even though it's unlikely. Just don't drink anything you didn't pour around someone new, simple as that. The place I was at before the secured building even had a business next door with a guard that always has an eye around the corner where I was staying, so that was honestly the best of both worlds.

I've stayed in two places like this. And I'm considering just renting some cheap place, barely furnishing it, and being done with it so I can do what I want for once and all.

But yeah, it's always the nicer buildings in the nice areas that you're going to have trouble.

I've just learned I'm not a street or casa or club type of guy. I'the rather be in my place, relaxed, not thinking about how many people have been in the bed, etc.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2896716]Mexico City has the new int airport NLU (AIFA, Aeropuerto Internacional Filipe de Angeles) with 15 K feet runway, combined with the old MEX, both about 20 min taxi ride to Centro. They can handle lots of air traffic and are hubs with lots of cheap flights to South and Central America.

Cancun is one of Mexico's busiest airport, has lots of non-stop flights to various cities in Latin countries, Bogota, Medellin, Panama, Costa Rica ect. I have not checked but Cancun is a very popular vacation spot, so there should be nonstop flights to Rio and Buenos Aires.

Use MEX and CUN as gateways, you can book nonstop flights to Bogota or Medellin, Colombia for $617 RT. In MEX and CUN you can have short waits for connecting flights, or if fancy strikes, you can spend a few-day layover in each. Both are nice places to visit cheap:

Multi-city trip Economy $617.

Mon, Mar 25 VivaAerobus 3 HR 25 min TIJNLU Nonstop.

Mon, Mar 25 VivaAerobus 2 HR 15 min NLUCUN Nonstop.

Thu, Apr 4 Avianca 3 HR 25 min CUNBOG Nonstop.

Fri, Apr 12 VivaAerobus 5 HR BOGMEX Nonstop.

Fri, Apr 12 Volaris 3 HR 35 min MEXTIJ Nonstop.[/QUOTE]CS, that is not that cheap. With advanced planning in not super busy times, you should be able to get a round trip flight to Colombia for around $200 from Florida, for $300 from the rest of the East Coast and Central USA like Texas, and for $400 from the West Coast. You want a search engine that includes Spirit. I think they have more flights to Colombia than anyone else.

Flight time from Texas to Colombia is pretty much the same as flight time from Mexico City which is around 5 hours. In contrast, Florida is a 2 or 3 hour flight from Colombia and you do not need to deal with Mexican customs.

Most people who fly to Colombia go through Miami or Fort Lauderdale. Thing is Spirit typically has dirt cheap seats available from Orlando and of those three cities Orlando is my preferred transfer city. So if being cheap is your bag, you can pick another low cost carrier like Frontier to get you to Orlando and then take Spirit in to Colombia.

I use [URL]skycanner.com[/URL] to look at fares. I did find going through Mexico was often cheaper when going to Peru, but I have never seen it be cheaper when going to Colombia.

Going to be flying in next week to BOG. Any tips for getting through immigration quickly other than jogging as soon as I deplane?

I read that biomig is available for foreigners. But it doesn't specify if its for arrivals or departures.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2897770]Going to be flying in next week to BOG. Any tips for getting through immigration quickly other than jogging as soon as I deplane?

I read that biomig is available for foreigners. But it doesn't specify if its for arrivals or departures.[/QUOTE]You pretty much said the only trick I know LOL. I skip going to the bathroom once I exit the plane and go straight in line. Otherwise you'll be behind hundreds and take much longer.

I'm trying to decipher escort ads. "Salida" would be outcall, but.

"Las chicas trabajan únicamente a domicilio no trabajan en lugar".

Whose domicilio? Their apartment or my room?

Which lugar? Theirs or yours?

[QUOTE=Lulle;2898478]I'm trying to decipher escort ads. "Salida" would be outcall, but.

"Las chicas trabajan nicamente a domicilio no trabajan en lugar".

Whose domicilio? Their apartment or my room?

Which lugar? Theirs or yours?[/QUOTE]ON fotos prepagos there are a lot of girls that have rooms in Chapinero.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc[/URL]

I went to one. It was in a rooming house in Chapinero-- With Valentina-- Good Times!!

[QUOTE=Lulle;2898478]I'm trying to decipher escort ads. "Salida" would be outcall, but.

"Las chicas trabajan nicamente a domicilio no trabajan en lugar".

Whose domicilio? Their apartment or my room?

Which lugar? Theirs or yours?[/QUOTE]Your house or yours apartment. They don't have a place for an incall.

Biomig is available for departure only as far as I know. Arrivals is same old deal.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2897770]Going to be flying in next week to BOG. Any tips for getting through immigration quickly other than jogging as soon as I deplane?

I read that biomig is available for foreigners. But it doesn't specify if its for arrivals or departures.[/QUOTE]

I am planning to remotely work in Bogota, during the day, and have a fun at night.

What is a quality of internet connection in hotels and generally in Bogota?

Is it enough for remote working?

I am planning to remotely work from the Bogota hotel.

What is a quality of internet connection in Bogota?

Is it enough for remote working?

[QUOTE=Guest19;2898852]I am planning to remotely work from the Bogota hotel.

What is a quality of internet connection in Bogota?

Is it enough for remote working?[/QUOTE]Bogota will have the internet backbone as good as any place. Your individual hotel it will depend. Just like anywhere else. But the co-work businesses will certainly have it.

[QUOTE=Guest19;2898852]I am planning to remotely work from the Bogota hotel.

What is a quality of internet connection in Bogota?

Is it enough for remote working?[/QUOTE]Internet in my place in Cartagena has been bad lately, so I would get a backup plan like having a hotspot with google fi which has unlimited data. AT&T has an unlimited Latin America $70 a month plan. Bogota is better than Cartagena with internet but the companies running the internet are pretty much the same in both cities.

But just so you know, I have always been able to get my work on the internet done in Colombia as long as I stay in the big cities. If you go 50 to 100 miles outside of Bogota though, you will have issues.

[QUOTE=Guest19;2898851]I am planning to remotely work in Bogota, during the day, and have a fun at night.

What is a quality of internet connection in hotels and generally in Bogota?

Is it enough for remote working?[/QUOTE]I highly recommend you stay in an Airbnb apt instead of a hotel. Select the option of "full / complete unit" instead of a room so you have your own router in the unit. Or an ethernet port to use your own. Hotel rooms don't come w routers and connection may be bad since it's a shared wifi.

For airbnb booking, ask first for the speed. Many have 100 mb or higher which is minimum I must have but many have low speed like 20 mb, so ask first.

[QUOTE=Guest19;2898852]I am planning to remotely work from the Bogota hotel.

What is a quality of internet connection in Bogota?

Is it enough for remote working?[/QUOTE]I'd like to know myself since I'm going to try this myself for my next stay which is going to be for about 3 weeks in May 2024. I tend to use my own hotspot I have or tether off of my backup phone since they both are on my Google Fi plan. I'll post my experience once that occurs.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2899060]I highly recommend you stay in an Airbnb apt instead of a hotel. Select the option of "full / complete unit" instead of a room so you have your own router in the unit. Or an ethernet port to use your own. Hotel rooms don't come w routers and connection may be bad since it's a shared wifi.

For airbnb booking, ask first for the speed. Many have 100 mb or higher which is minimum I must have but many have low speed like 20 mb, so ask first.[/QUOTE]Airbnb's are no more predictable than hotels. Some hotels may have great wifi, others not. You could book a workspace at a workshare facility to be sure if reliable speed and service is critical.

[QUOTE=Guest19;2898852]I am planning to remotely work from the Bogota hotel.

What is a quality of internet connection in Bogota?

Is it enough for remote working?[/QUOTE]These 2 have good internet from what I have heard-.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2899138]Airbnb's are no more predictable than hotels. Some hotels may have great wifi, others not. You could book a workspace at a workshare facility to be sure if reliable speed and service is critical.[/QUOTE]He is right about the airbnbs having its own separate routers though, versus hotels having routers that are shared between different rooms. I remember I had rented a whole apartment in villa del rosario (near cucuta on the Colombia / Venezuela border) and I had this little square box right on the night stand, that was my own personal router just for me. And that thing had to have been 100 mbps it was blazing fast.

I remember I had downloaded a torrent file of an episode of star trek discovery in 1080 p from pirate bay and this was like a 2 or 3 GB file and it literally downloaded in like 45 seconds.

Most the time in hotels on the other hand the wifi is much slower and the same size files can take like 20 mins or more to download, it's often faster to just use my data on Tigo. And heaven forbid if you are in a room located far from the router, or someone else is hogging the bandwidth.

So I do agree with Madd. About whole unit airbnbs having better Wi-Fi.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2899207]He is right about the airbnbs having its own separate routers though, versus hotels having routers that are shared between different rooms. I remember I had rented a whole apartment in villa del rosario (near cucuta on the Colombia / Venezuela border) and I had this little square box right on the night stand, that was my own personal router just for me. And that thing had to have been 100 mbps it was blazing fast.

I remember I had downloaded a torrent file of an episode of star trek discovery in 1080 p from pirate bay and this was like a 2 or 3 GB file and it literally downloaded in like 45 seconds.

Most the time in hotels on the other hand the wifi is much slower and the same size files can take like 20 mins or more to download, it's often faster to just use my data on Tigo. And heaven forbid if you are in a room located far from the router, or someone else is hogging the bandwidth.

So I do agree with Madd. About whole unit airbnbs having better Wi-Fi.[/QUOTE]I would ask if it was important. I've been in Airbnbs that had shared routers, also been in some where the router was fine but something was wrong with the modem or cables and internet was spotty. So I don't think an automatic assumption that internet in Airbnbs is great is a safe assumption especially if it is very important. As a generality, perhaps a stand alone airbnb unit might have a better chance than a cheap hotel, perhaps yes. But if my work depended on it I would want confirmation. Some hotels have co-working spaces, for example, and that gives you a lot more assurance of good internet and some other business center supports.

WiFi in AirBnBs are dependent on the individual owner. I've stayed in different AirBnBs in the same building that had radically different WiFi performance. For instance, one AirBnB had blazing fast WiFi while one a few floors down had it's own router but the Internet was so slow I had issues with VoIP. The connection is dependent on what the owner is paying for, so the individual router can be a good thing or a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2899138]Airbnb's are no more predictable than hotels. Some hotels may have great wifi, others not. You could book a workspace at a workshare facility to be sure if reliable speed and service is critical.[/QUOTE]Is that an opinion? LOL.

What I said is based on facts and experiences. It's not complicated. A hotel will have a wifi router on each floor or worse to be shared by multiple rooms, and depending on where your room is the signal may drop. That may be ok for pure mongers but if you're running something serious online like a content creator, working from home then this doesn't work.

Colombia happens to be a top country for digital nomad because they have reliable internet service and barely any power outages. This is probably why I'm not in the Dr right now. Most apartments in the Dr don't even come with work desks, plus mult outtages incl power.

I've been in Col for the past 7 months pretty much, and only had zero power outtages, maybe two internet svc issues that were resolved in minutes. Having your own router and hardwired connection is required anyway for most remote job, and even if using wifi, your own connection will be secured, stronger and not shared.

I work in finance plus I'm a daytrader so aint no way I'd risk connecting to a public wifi LOL.

I have been in some hotels that have an ethernet port for wired connection, maybe 1/10; but none come with routers. But all private apts do. It's day and night and not everything requires a debate.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2899138]Airbnb's are no more predictable than hotels. Some hotels may have great wifi, others not. You could book a workspace at a workshare facility to be sure if reliable speed and service is critical.[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention that what you said is correct about renting a working space. Both Bogota and Medellin have plenty of those. They cost anywhere from 600 k - 2 M pesos a month. Either your own small office, a desk, or a private booth. Costs vary depending on hours.

But those are needed if you rent a room cheap somewhere or a noisy area where you can't work. In a normal apartment with your own connection you can save that 2 M pesos per month. Heck my full apartment costs me 2. 5 M a month LOL. Estrato 5, 24/7 security, full kitchen, living room area everything. I can kick back and work in my drawers LOL.

1st day in BOG ands its been great.

Flight was on time and I breezed through immigration. What luck. BTW I did see a line for biomig at arrivals, anybody know if foreigners can use it? If the immigration line wasn't so short at the time, I would've given it a shot.

Also, I was a bit worried about altitude sickness but it doesn't seem to be affecting me.

So my plan is pretty much get a different agency girl every day. GFE is life.

I used Encounters Vip and requested a date with Juliana (450 k). Scheduling was easy and the scheduler was professional.

Juliana showed up 5 minutes early and I welcomed her into my airbnb. We exchange some pleasantries and she hops in the shower.

Shortly after, she comes out with just the towel on looking smoking hot. She one of those latina girls that has a hint of asian features in face. Although the body is 100% latina. Small breast, big hips, and thiccc. Everything that I love.

She comes over and we start getting handsy. She asks me what I like and I tell her I like kisses, caresses, fat asses, blowjobs, and massages. She proceeds to make the dream come true. She gives great eye contact and made me weak a few times when blowing me. Post-nut she gave me a solid massage and we just joked around. She's actually my first agency girl. I'd give the experience an 8/10.

Tomorrow's itinerary is to do some sightseeing in Santa Fe during lunch and most likely another agency girl in the evening.

1st day in BOG and its been great.

Flight was on time and I breezed through immigration. What luck. BTW I did see a line for biomig at arrivals, anybody know if foreigners can use it? If the immigration line wasn't so short at the time, I would've given it a shot.

Also, I was a bit worried about altitude sickness but it doesn't seem to be affecting me.

So my plan is pretty much get a different agency girl every day. GFE is life.

I used Encounters Vip and requested a date with Juliana (450 k). Scheduling was easy and the scheduler was professional.

Juliana showed up 5 minutes early and I welcomed her into my airbnb. We exchange some pleasantries and she hops in the shower.

Shortly after, she comes out with just the towel on looking smoking hot. She's one of those latina girls that has a hint of asian features in face. Although the body is 100% latina. Small breast, big hips, and thiccc. Everything that I love.

She comes over and we start getting handsy. She asks me what I like and I tell her I like kisses, caresses, fat asses, blowjobs, and massages. She proceeds to make the dream come true. She gives great eye contact and made me weak a few times when blowing me. Post-nut she gave me a solid massage and we just joked around. She's actually my first agency girl. I'd give the experience an 8/10.

Tomorrow's itinerary is to do some sightseeing in Santa Fe during lunch and most likely another agency girl in the evening.

Anyone been to Yuluka Spa? In Cedritos?

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2899339]Is that an opinion? LOL.

What I said is based on facts and experiences. It's not complicated. A hotel will have a wifi router on each floor or worse to be shared by multiple rooms, and depending on where your room is the signal may drop. That may be ok for pure mongers but if you're running something serious online like a content creator, working from home then this doesn't work.

Colombia happens to be a top country for digital nomad because they have reliable internet service and barely any power outages. This is probably why I'm not in the Dr right now. Most apartments in the Dr don't even come with work desks, plus mult outtages incl power.

I've been in Col for the past 7 months pretty much, and only had zero power outtages, maybe two internet svc issues that were resolved in minutes. Having your own router and hardwired connection is required anyway for most remote job, and even if using wifi, your own connection will be secured, stronger and not shared.

I work in finance plus I'm a daytrader so aint no way I'd risk connecting to a public wifi LOL.

I have been in some hotels that have an ethernet port for wired connection, maybe 1/10; but none come with routers. But all private apts do. It's day and night and not everything requires a debate.[/QUOTE]Opinion, fact? Only my experience. Place I'm in right now has its own router and I have terrible internet, up, down, some days good, other days not there for hours at a time. I've had great internet in some hotels, lousy in others. Airbnb's have been hit and miss. But if my job was at stake I would try to have various options to fall back on. Again, as someone commented the connection to the router may be great, but the service that the owner has behind it varies a lot, some have high speed high data capacity, others have minimal. So good to check if possible beforehand.

I took a BNB near Centro, I prefer walking to SF, and ride out the one station stop after dark.

The weather in Bogota is better this time of year and although It got a little damp, there were no torrential downpours this trip.

I lucked out the first night as a spinner named Anna was outside a motel near Paisas Texas. 90 K for BBBJ was the best of my trip.

She is a 'webcam model' and only does this every 14 days of so, she says. Never saw her again since that Friday.

Next day I found a Vennie a few streets over who wanted 50 K for a BBBJ. She wouldn't stop blabbing which got my senses up.

She did start the service but kept moving around to the edge of the bed. She had pushed my pants under the cama just as I was building up my wad.

At a most inopportune time she started reaching for the pockets to relieve me of the other. I stopped the performance, telling her I had to return tomorrow after I buy some Viagra.

She must have known I was onto her, but what can I do, call a cop?

Next day was Sunday and it was quiet in Santa Fe de Bogota. I had a cab driver run me up to Saltaire to buy bus tickets to Villavicencio. I was led to believe tickets had to be bought at the terminal, but did see locals using their phones later, not requiring paper copies.

I'm on an ongoing mission to find a town nearby a major city to spend a year or two in. The weather was fine. 33 see during the day, never below 24 see at night, and very dry like 9 per cent humidity, on my trip.

The experience of Villavicencio is posted to the other locations forum.

So next time, I would fly one way and take the bus back to Bogota from Villavicencio. It seems to be more spectacular going westwards as it takes several hours to reach the summit. It's almost all rural, and once the summit tunnel is attained the rest of the trip is built up extremities of Bogota.

On my last day in Bogota, I wandered over to Sta Fe in the morning, like 0930. It's interesting how the girls from the arterial streets move their way up to those streets across from the major clubs until the senior Chica come along later to 'bump' them to their regular stations.

Since the Chica basically work right up to Avinda 19, I even crossed the major thoroughfare to check out the girls of CL 18. South of Caracas. This stroll is often overlooked as it's filled with older or less desirables, but it was were I found my first 'Linda' back a few years on my first trip for the unheard of price of 20 K.

This was early in the Vennie invasion which makes the price so more unusual as she was Colombian. Anyway, I've never seen anything like her from this area since.

Back and of CL 19 , I saw another cute spinner wearing headphones speeding thru the crowds. I lost her someplace but then found her later in front of the hotel the gov't closed last November for hosting minors. She told me that Oral Sex was too hard for her, which is usually a red flag, but she was just too damn cute and I was heading home in 12 hours.

I paid her 50 K and the hotel 12 K, when she got in the room she went from shy to an animal, in a good way. Although she didn't like me fiddling with her tit's too much as long as I washed my hands I could put them anyplace else. She took all the cool positions I suggested with gusto, and when she mounted me she was like a cowboy riding a steer. Really quite a nice finale.

[QUOTE=Kutler;2899698]I took a BNB near Centro, I prefer walking to SF, and ride out the one station stop after dark.

The weather in Bogota is better this time of year and although It got a little damp, there were no torrential downpours this trip.

I lucked out the first night as a spinner named Anna was outside a motel near Paisas Texas. 90 K for BBBJ was the best of my trip.

She is a 'webcam model' and only does this every 14 days of so, she says. Never saw her again since that Friday.

Next day I found a Vennie a few streets over who wanted 50 K for a BBBJ. She wouldn't stop blabbing which got my senses up.

She did start the service but kept moving around to the edge of the bed. She had pushed my pants under the cama just as I was building up my wad.

At a most inopportune time she started reaching for the pockets to relieve me of the other. I stopped the performance, telling her I had to return tomorrow after I buy some Viagra.

She must have known I was onto her, but what can I do, call a cop?

Next day was Sunday and it was quiet in Santa Fe de Bogota. I had a cab driver run me up to Saltaire to buy bus tickets to Villavicencio. I was led to believe tickets had to be bought at the terminal, but did see locals using their phones later, not requiring paper copies.

I'm on an ongoing mission to find a town nearby a major city to spend a year or two in. The weather was fine. 33 see during the day, never below 24 see at night, and very dry like 9 per cent humidity, on my trip.

The experience of Villavicencio is posted to the other locations forum.

So next time, I would fly one way and take the bus back to Bogota from Villavicencio. It seems to be more spectacular going westwards as it takes several hours to reach the summit. It's almost all rural, and once the summit tunnel is attained the rest of the trip is built up extremities of Bogota.

On my last day in Bogota, I wandered over to Sta Fe in the morning, like 0930. It's interesting how the girls from the arterial streets move their way up to those streets across from the major clubs until the senior Chica come along later to 'bump' them to their regular stations.

Since the Chica basically work right up to Avinda 19, I even crossed the major thoroughfare to check out the girls of CL 18. South of Caracas. This stroll is often overlooked as it's filled with older or less desirables, but it was were I found my first 'Linda' back a few years on my first trip for the unheard of price of 20 K.

This was early in the Vennie invasion which makes the price so more unusual as she was Colombian. Anyway, I've never seen anything like her from this area since.

Back and of CL 19 , I saw another cute spinner wearing headphones speeding thru the crowds. I lost her someplace but then found her later in front of the hotel the gov't closed last November for hosting minors. She told me that Oral Sex was too hard for her, which is usually a red flag, but she was just too damn cute and I was heading home in 12 hours.

I paid her 50 K and the hotel 12 K, when she got in the room she went from shy to an animal, in a good way. Although she didn't like me fiddling with her tit's too much as long as I washed my hands I could put them anyplace else. She took all the cool positions I suggested with gusto, and when she mounted me she was like a cowboy riding a steer. Really quite a nice finale.[/QUOTE]Nice report on your experiences with girls, a refreshing reminder of the real purpose of this forum not the incessant cluttering of the forum with talk about phones, hotels, immigration, internet connection, blah blah blah. Thank you for the report. Yes that is what I enjoy most about santa fe, the uncertainty of what you may find there, and when you do find a gem, you ask yourself what the hell is she doing here?

1st day in BOG was great (see prev post). 2nd day not so much.

I went to Santa Fe around lunch. What a dump. I knew it'the be sketchy and not a nice part of town, but to actually experience it was a bit depressing. I've read the reports here going back 6 months, and nobody mentioned all the feces on the sidewalks. Makes sense though, who would? Reminded me of downtown San Francisco. Regardless, I was here to sightsee! I saw plenty of chicas while wandering around. Saw some of the roughest chicas ever, but I suppose that comes with the territory. Definitely a few cuties here and there. For those that like to hunt the streets, I'm sure you could find something you like. As for me, I didn't partake.

Later in the evening, I arranged for Emma (350 k) from Encounters Vip to come over. She was cute and looked like a normal university girl. She had great ASSets. But unfortunately, there just wasn't much chemistry with her. One of the downsides of agency girls is that you don't have the chance to interact with them first. So definitely hit or miss. And in this case, it was a miss. She was nice, but my spanish wasn't good enough to bridge the gap. Also, she did this weird thing where if I kissed her deeply, she would have some spit in her mouth. It was like she was deterring me from kissing her. Strange. On the bright side, all that spit made for a great blowjob! Sex was meh. I come super fast when I don't have much chemistry with the girl. 5/10 experience.

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[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2899740], and nobody mentioned all the feces on the sidewalks. .[/QUOTE]I just signed in to mention that. Bogota seems to be going thru a dog explosion. More pitbulls than I've seen in a year, but it's all kinds of dogs; are the Vennies settling in for the long haul.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2899740]I arranged for Emma (350 k) from Encounters Vip to come over. But unfortunately, there just wasn't much chemistry with her. Sex was meh. 5/10 experience.[/QUOTE]Meanwhile, had you taken one of those 40 K Santa Fe girls then she would have fired right up! I thought somebody said you get what you pay for? 350 K for a 5/10 experience? Never paid anything close to that in all my days in Colombia, but for some reason I always end up having great experiences.

Firstly, thanks Rewsna for your new map! I've added it to my notes and made a copy, just in case you want to start charging for it.

Also thanks to Kutler for your report including Villavicencio which I read.

After visiting Bogota for my cherry trip in July 2023, I'm planning my route back from the other side of the planet (Australia).

One thing I did in Santa Fe last time was focus on the clubs. Woodman09 was a great help! This time I want to focus more on the street girls.

In the clubs, you have the short sessions which I enjoyed, but then you can't clean up, take a shower. Also, with the street girls, I'm still a bit concerned about being alone in a room with a chick in a dodgy hotel. I haven't read of any problems, but it wouldn't be hard to be put into a bad situation.

What I would prefer, is to find a short time - 12 hour? Hotel which is 3 minute walking distance to the street girls, so then I can negotiate a longer session 30 - 45 minutes, a more intimate GFE, then kiss them goodbye, have a shower, chill on my phone for a few hours then head out to the street to do it again, at my own pace. Then go back to my nicer, quieter Hotel / AirBnB and sleep alone. Anyone know a place like that? I had one in my notes but I took too many notes as can't find the details.

[QUOTE=Zanny;2900048]Firstly, thanks Rewsna for your new map! I've added it to my notes and made a copy, just in case you want to start charging for it.

Also thanks to Kutler for your report including Villavicencio which I read.

After visiting Bogota for my cherry trip in July 2023, I'm planning my route back from the other side of the planet (Australia).

One thing I did in Santa Fe last time was focus on the clubs. Woodman09 was a great help! This time I want to focus more on the street girls.

In the clubs, you have the short sessions which I enjoyed, but then you can't clean up, take a shower. Also, with the street girls, I'm still a bit concerned about being alone in a room with a chick in a dodgy hotel. I haven't read of any problems, but it wouldn't be hard to be put into a bad situation.

What I would prefer, is to find a short time - 12 hour? Hotel which is 3 minute walking distance to the street girls, so then I can negotiate a longer session 30 - 45 minutes, a more intimate GFE, then kiss them goodbye, have a shower, chill on my phone for a few hours then head out to the street to do it again, at my own pace. Then go back to my nicer, quieter Hotel / AirBnB and sleep alone. Anyone know a place like that? I had one in my notes but I took too many notes as can't find the details.[/QUOTE]There's a place like that on Calle 24 just east of Caracas. Its the place with the Jacuzzi on the top floor and other rooms with saunas too. They rent it in 3 hour blocks but I'm sure you could pay for 12 hours if you wanted. Last time I was there it was 70 mil for 3 hours in the jacuzzi room.

Today I checked out some parks and scoped out areas for future stays. I liked the area around parque Virrey.

On the way back to Chapinero, I stopped by Lux Spa (Carrera 13 a #7). Price was 270 k for complete service. They had about 7 girls and they were cute. A few had spectacular bodies. However, I didn't session with any because I told myself before going I would only do it if there was a girl that was really my type.

That's because I already scheduled a meeting later that evening with Lia (600 k) from Encounters Vip. Homegirl looks kind of like Jennifer Lopez. And yes, she definitely has a JLo worthy ass. She does have braces though, for those of yall not into that. She arrived 10 minutes early and I welcomed her into my AirBnB and she showered for bit. Afterwards she came out in some arousing black lingerie. Lots of touching and kissing ensued. After a few kisses, it was clear this girl was super naughty. I like it when I'm naughtier than the girl, but I knew this girl was on another level. This girl was wild, she enjoyed french kissing. She licked my face, ran her tongue around both ears. And into them. Can't say I've experienced that too many times, not sure how I feel. She gave an amazingly wet blowjob. This is the kind of girl that if she blows you, when you get up, you'll feel her saliva in your asshole. She actually made me come from oral which is unusual, cause I've only had one ex ever that was able to do that. After nutting, we chatted some. She's super comfortable with foreigners. She's been to the US for a 3 month "vacation. " 5 minutes later she asked me if I was ready for more and I told her to hold her horses. I needed time to recouperate! She got impatient after 10 minutes and gave me another moist blowjob, this time with some deepthroating. Afterwards, we started and ended with missionary. The perfect position for a naughty girl. LOL. 9/10 service. This girl will provide great service and probably enjoys her work (or at least will convincingly act like she enjoys it).

Overall, Bogota was great. The weather was more pleasant than I expected. Plenty of restaurants to fit all tastes. Plenty of women to fit all tastes too. Whether, you want to street prowl in Santa Fe, go to casa / spa, or use an agency. Next time I'll have to check out the seeking scene when I have a longer stay.

[QUOTE=Chelovec;2895409]I am a big fan of La Celestina! I use them every time I am in Bogota. Very consistent quality![/QUOTE]I'm heading that way soon, and really hope to meet up with woodman for the Santa Fe streets / clubs.

I'm also very interested in La Celestina or other agency, seem like some beautiful options for GFE.

1. How far in dance do you have to call? I arrive pretty late, and once settled into the hotel may want to "unwind".

2. Has anyone experienced having an agency girl come to a major brand hotel (I. E. Hilton or Marriott), any problems with attire or access?

We all know dating and having a GF is cool here or the states, although that comes with some drama at times that must be managed. After a bad day or heated argument / disagreement back home we get to go home holding our dicks in our hands. Whereas here in Colombia you can tell her to fuck off and head to your fav club or casa and bring back a smile in your face quickly LOL. This shit is almost unfair to the ladies here LOL. So because of that I try my best to be as nice as possible to the novias.

But being good to them or not, as a degenerate filthy mongering bastard, we can't keep our dicks in one spot and the debauchery must go on. So back on bumble, new date, but she started acting up and when we have extra pussy line up no need to put up with BS, she aint earned that patience from me yet. So cancelled that shit and went straight to SF Fri night.

OMG. Street is filled with new putas and it seems quality has gone higher again, more younglings, 18-20 yrs old walking around. I was with a local bud and showed me a nice hotel w jacuzzi where I could take one of the fresh non-stop smiling-friendly beauties for 150 k for the full hour, and could grab a 6 pack of beer for 10 k and go enjoy ourselves w multiple pops. I'm like wow, great offer but passed LOL. I wanted to drink and smoke and my mission was to bang at least two which I did.

I have no prob with the very friendly girls, but for some reason I'm attracted to the shy and reserved types. Usually my experience is much better, they are submissive, let me bang my way, without being too jumpy and impatient, or acting like they're on drugs which I hate. I can't even stand chicas who dance too much or can't stay still for a fucking min. Some guys find that fun but not me. I'm the dominant one, you be sweet, soft and quiet, be a lady / feminine. Both were nice flacas with nice round asses, 60 k+20 k propinas. One asked me if I was satisfied at the end. And I'm looking at her like hell yeah, gave her a hug to let her know we good LOL. Said I'll see you next time.

Visited most of clubs but spent more time at Paisas chatted a while w my favorita, drinking, danced for me, tipped 100 k and was more like a voluntary gift since I treat her as a friend. I'm no foody and I don't really write about food, but at the Troya exit grabbed 50 k worth of cerdo / meat and that shit is good af. Was a like a fat kid in a buffet when I made it home. Food is extra delicious when you've been drinking and an empty nutsack LOL. Went there with 500 k and came back with 60 k change, so total damage 440 k incl two rounds, mult beers for me and Favorita, tips, got a haircut, and 50 k of worth fat food, even taxi got 10 k tip.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2899740]1st day in BOG was great (see prev post). 2nd day not so much.

I went to Santa Fe around lunch. What a dump. I knew it'the be sketchy and not a nice part of town, but to actually experience it was a bit depressing. I've read the reports here going back 6 months, and nobody mentioned all the feces on the sidewalks. Makes sense though, who would? Reminded me of downtown San Francisco. Regardless, I was here to sightsee! I saw plenty of chicas while wandering around. Saw some of the roughest chicas ever, but I suppose that comes with the territory. Definitely a few cuties here and there. For those that like to hunt the streets, I'm sure you could find something you like. As for me, I didn't partake.

Later in the evening, I arranged for Emma (350 k) from Encounters Vip to come over. She was cute and looked like a normal university girl. She had great ASSets. But unfortunately, there just wasn't much chemistry with her. One of the downsides of agency girls is that you don't have the chance to interact with them first. So definitely hit or miss. And in this case, it was a miss. She was nice, but my spanish wasn't good enough to bridge the gap. Also, she did this weird thing where if I kissed her deeply, she would have some spit in her mouth. It was like she was deterring me from kissing her. Strange. On the bright side, all that spit made for a great blowjob! Sex was meh. I come super fast when I don't have much chemistry with the girl. 5/10 experience.[/QUOTE]Bro, I agree 100% with your post. When I first visited Bogota couple yrs back I thought the exact same. The feces on the sidewalk thing is in many parts of Colombia incl some nicer parts of Medellin like el Poblado and laureles. Seems to be worse in Bog.

The thing is Colombians love dogs, clearly, and very few pick up after their dog or clean up. And when I see that crap I miss the states and other countries. But, there are some areas in the north side that's not too bad. Also when you're near the area in SF where the girls are or near the clubs you don't see much of it. If you stay in those hotels downtown and walking to the spot then yeah LOL. It's something we all get used to. It's the entire fucking country.

There are literally dozens of clubs and casas near chapinero and upper side and much cleaner. Many are more expensive and few have similar pricings as SF like 150 k for 15/20 minutes and casas starts as low as 30 k, which is very cheap. Most are spread apart and not too much street action and I'll report on some of those soon.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2900267]But being good to them or not, as a degenerate filthy mongering bastard, we can't keep our dicks in one spot and the debauchery must go on. So back on bumble, new date, but she started acting up and when we have extra pussy line up no need to put up with BS, she aint earned that patience from me yet. So cancelled that shit and went straight to SF Fri night.[/QUOTE]Nothing like having an abundance of chicas!

BTW, how's the Bumble game down there? Is it just a bunch of prepagos that hit you up or do you get regular girls too?

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2900538]Nothing like having an abundance of chicas!

BTW, how's the Bumble game down there? Is it just a bunch of prepagos that hit you up or do you get regular girls too?[/QUOTE]It's worth exploring if you're here for a month or longer. I use the same approach for Tinder, SA or Bumble. SA has 50/50 as far as pros vs non-pros, Tinder is like 80% pros, and Bumble is by far the best I'd say 90% non-pros. Especially here in Bog being a huge city half of the ones that I match with speak English, prob cause my profile is in Eng. They leave voice messages and I speak w them on whatsapp so they're not just using Gtranslate. That's impressive since I don't find that many in other cities. Success rate is also 50/50. Would be higher if I had more patience.

It's good and bad, takes you away from typical mongering activity and have a friend actually spend time with and not watching the clock. They'll show you around and meet others. The bad is many targets you and have certain expectations to go out and spend $ in places that most other locals can't afford LOL. And obviously you have to constantly figure out who's an undercover ho or could set you up. Drugging and robbing happens in this mgr here too.

It's not for everyone, cause as you know same games are played everywhere like most won't fuck on first date, some are too aggressive like before or after intimacy they want you to meet their kids and fam. Had one that wanted her sons and mom approve of me first before we fuck lmao. I normally pass on anything awkward.

Overall it's ok if you have time to kill. Even on short vacas I have buds that only see 1 chica daily, and I'd make fun of them if never take a girl out even a semipro. Like I'm not going to spend only 1 h lr less per day with a girl, and 23 hrs alone or with a bunch of dudes LOL. Bumble's not too bad.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2900538]Nothing like having an abundance of chicas!

BTW, how's the Bumble game down there? Is it just a bunch of prepagos that hit you up or do you get regular girls too?[/QUOTE]You ll get regular girls if you speak Spanish and your profile is in Spanish, if you have a profile in English, 90% of your hits will be prepagos.

What is the complete Address?

Carrera 13 a #7-.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2900160]Today I checked out some parks and scoped out areas for future stays. I liked the area around parque Virrey.

On the way back to Chapinero, I stopped by Lux Spa (Carrera 13 a #7). Price was 270 k for complete service. They had about 7 girls and they were cute. A few had spectacular bodies. However, I didn't session with any because I told myself before going I would only do it if there was a girl that was really my type.

That's because I already scheduled a meeting later that evening with Lia (600 k) from Encounters Vip. Homegirl looks kind of like Jennifer Lopez. And yes, she definitely has a JLo worthy ass. She does have braces though, for those of yall not into that. She arrived 10 minutes early and I welcomed her into my AirBnB and she showered for bit. Afterwards she came out in some arousing black lingerie. Lots of touching and kissing ensued. After a few kisses, it was clear this girl was super naughty. I like it when I'm naughtier than the girl, but I knew this girl was on another level. This girl was wild, she enjoyed french kissing. She licked my face, ran her tongue around both ears. And into them. Can't say I've experienced that too many times, not sure how I feel. She gave an amazingly wet blowjob. This is the kind of girl that if she blows you, when you get up, you'll feel her saliva in your asshole. She actually made me come from oral which is unusual, cause I've only had one ex ever that was able to do that. After nutting, we chatted some. She's super comfortable with foreigners. She's been to the US for a 3 month "vacation. " 5 minutes later she asked me if I was ready for more and I told her to hold her horses. I needed time to recouperate! She got impatient after 10 minutes and gave me another moist blowjob, this time with some deepthroating. Afterwards, we started and ended with missionary. The perfect position for a naughty girl. LOL. 9/10 service. This girl will provide great service and probably enjoys her work (or at least will convincingly act like she enjoys it).

Overall, Bogota was great. The weather was more pleasant than I expected. Plenty of restaurants to fit all tastes. Plenty of women to fit all tastes too. Whether, you want to street prowl in Santa Fe, go to casa / spa, or use an agency. Next time I'll have to check out the seeking scene when I have a longer stay.[/QUOTE]

Anyone been recently? Obviously I know many here don't like the price point but this place has the hottest girls as a group in all of Colombia. Just wanted an update if anyone has.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2901267]What is the complete Address?

Carrera 13 a #7-.[/QUOTE]Lux Spa carrera. 13 a #77 a-47, Chapinero.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2901414]Anyone been recently? Obviously I know many here don't like the price point but this place has the hottest girls as a group in all of Colombia. Just wanted an update if anyone has.[/QUOTE]Girls are not hotter there than in most other places.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2901414]Anyone been recently? Obviously I know many here don't like the price point but this place has the hottest girls as a group in all of Colombia. Just wanted an update if anyone has.[/QUOTE]Not recently, but you're right and the place may be one of the gates to higher quality girls. One can start there and develop connections.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2901515]Girls are not hotter there than in most other places.[/QUOTE]Well that's your opinion. I've been there over 10 x throughout the years along with every single other high end place in Colombia in all diff major cities. They always consistently have the best talent and it's because the girls can charge 300-500 usd and actually get it. And of course I'm only talking about the top 20% of the girls here.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2901718]Well that's your opinion. I've been there over 10 x throughout the years along with every single other high end place in Colombia in all diff major cities. They always consistently have the best talent and it's because the girls can charge 300-500 usd and actually get it. And of course I'm only talking about the top 20% of the girls here.[/QUOTE]You Know You were with a sub-par girl and You didn't have a good time.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2901718]Well that's your opinion. I've been there over 10 x throughout the years along with every single other high end place in Colombia in all diff major cities. They always consistently have the best talent and it's because the girls can charge 300-500 usd and actually get it. And of course I'm only talking about the top 20% of the girls here.[/QUOTE]Being a money pig got you blind. I have been there a few times back in 2017 and 2018 and excepted the extortionate rates, this was every single time a disappointment. Girls are like beers over there. You do pay 100 k a corona there while you can get the exact same beer for 30 k in Santa Fe. In both places you will find from time to time a hidden gem.

Ask yourself the question as to why most of those places charging American prices have now closed.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2901414]Anyone been recently? Obviously I know many here don't like the price point but this place has the hottest girls as a group in all of Colombia. Just wanted an update if anyone has.[/QUOTE]Not worthy, many of those girls you may find in the afternoon in Atunes or other bars in SF.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2901809]You Know You were with a sub-par girl and You didn't have a good time.[/QUOTE]Guys like you and I must only be fucking sub-par women then lmao.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2901900]Being a money pig got you blind. I have been there a few times back in 2017 and 2018 and excepted the extortionate rates, this was every single time a disappointment. Girls are like beers over there. You do pay 100 k a corona there while you can get the exact same beer for 30 k in Santa Fe. In both places you will find from time to time a hidden gem.

Ask yourself the question as to why most of those places charging American prices have now closed.[/QUOTE]This place survived the pandemic while other places like Lalos and Pisckne Norte etc etc have all closed down. If you go on a weekend past 12 am it is the best selection of women available. I have been to all the popular establishments in all of Colombia. My opinion is this place is the best. I took a 3 year break from Bogota and only went to mde and been to all the spots. Even in Cartagena as well.

There will at least be 5 -10 doable and 5 top notch girls. I have nothing against Santa Fe clubs but it's not the same level. Stop this nonsense. Like really.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2902037]Not worthy, many of those girls you may find in the afternoon in Atunes or other bars in SF.[/QUOTE]My last trip to Bogota I went to Santa Fe twice and lidos twice. I don't doubt once in a while maybe a Santa Fe girl will take a shot here. But not a usual occurrence.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2902037]Not worthy, many of those girls you may find in the afternoon in Atunes or other bars in SF.[/QUOTE]I would like to give Atunes a try my next trip. It might be my kind of scene. I'm assuming it's a bit more chill / less noisy than the Strip clubs? Ideally, I just want to talk to the chica first to get a sense of her vibe before taking her to a nearby hotel.

Also, what are the other afternoon clubs named? Anything similar in Chapinero?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2902046]This place survived the pandemic while other places like Lalos and Pisckne Norte etc etc have all closed down.. [/QUOTE]When I first started going to Colombia I would notice a bunch of people walking around the malls but nobody had shopping bags. I asked how these places stay open if nobody buys shit. Somebody told me that the malls are there because of mafia money.

Maybe Lidos has something else going on besides what you see in front of you. It was the same way with this motorcycle gear place here in Pattaya. For years that place sat full of merchandise and not one day I saw it open for business. I was anxious to see if they had anything good, but it was never open. Somehow I ended up meeting a chick that said she owned it. I asked her about it never being open and she would not answer. Now it is closed down and has been empty ever since.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2902059]I would like to give Atunes a try my next trip. It might be my kind of scene. I'm assuming it's a bit more chill / less noisy than the Strip clubs? Ideally, I just want to talk to the chica first to get a sense of her vibe before taking her to a nearby hotel.

Also, what are the other afternoon clubs named? Anything similar in Chapinero?[/QUOTE]Attunes is pretty quiet-- at times there are 10-20 girls in the afternoon-.

I have not been to any of theplaces up North-- I know there's a few between calle 57 and Calle 63 0 n the East side of carracas -- not on carracass except one near Calle 58. Within those blocks are 2-3 others- Just walk around there in the afternoon / evening and you will see touts-.

Also there is an area above Calle 63 on the west side of Carracas-- some here have written about-.

Of course there are some good massage parlor brothels-- see photos.

Good Luck!!

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2902121]Love how you always have a story to think that all hookers are on the exact same level.

It's simply not the case. Yes each girl will try to maximize her income as in any other industry.

Yea when a 200 k girl gets desperate she'll accept 100 k.

You think a girl who asks for 500 usd plus who has flown around the world and back and been given thousands upon thousands of dollars for a quick day or 2. You think those girls are going to come down to your level??

Any guy who makes fun of another man's spending habits or insults him because he pays too much is the most low value bitter form of a man.

You can always try to lend a hand and say hey you're paying too much. But you notice only the true losers come out and insult others. This is just a damn hobby for leisure. And if the money is such a big deal maybe one should seriously consider a cheaper hobby instead of insulting others.

That's like me insulting a man who bought a lambo and saying what an idiot my ford can do the same thing and it saves me money on gas. Lmao. I'm the type of guy that rather be in the lambo. And if that bothers some of you then tough. But unless you can provide useful info why even bother to quote my posts and talk about my spending habits. That's the sign of a low value man.[/QUOTE]Dude, leave them alone and let them fuck ghetto chicks in Santa Fe for cheap. It is pointless to argue with people that think pussy is pussy. There are levels to pretty much everything in life (housing, cars, flights, meals, pussy). Guys living off a small pension have to work with what they can afford. They are just being jealous of guys who can get top echelon girls.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2902709] They are just being jealous of guys who can get top echelon girls.[/QUOTE]Top echelon girls? Are those the fantasy women you imagine having sex with?

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2900160]That's because I already scheduled a meeting later that evening with Lia (600 k) from Encounters Vip. Homegirl looks kind of like Jennifer Lopez. And yes, she definitely has a JLo worthy ass. She does have braces though, for those of yall not into that. She arrived 10 minutes early and I welcomed her into my AirBnB and she showered for bit. Afterwards she came out in some arousing black lingerie. Lots of touching and kissing ensued. After a few kisses, it was clear this girl was super naughty. I like it when I'm naughtier than the girl, but I knew this girl was on another level. This girl was wild, she enjoyed french kissing. She licked my face, ran her tongue around both ears. And into them. Can't say I've experienced that too many times, not sure how I feel. She gave an amazingly wet blowjob.[/QUOTE]Was BJ covered or natural, is it extra or what's the deal here?

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2902650]Perhaps it was poorly phrased. We are separately fucking her in the casa. Much more romantic that way.

I'm defining GFE as sensual, cuddling, kissing. But it is a casa after all. So maybe I should say GFE lite. Definitely not pornstar experience.

But in Bogota you can pay 200,000 for an even better looking (for me) 19-22 year old university student to come to your apartment or motel for true GFE for 2, 3 or more hours. These are not photoprepagaros girls. I have a few regulars now in the rotation. Personaly I like to balance my regulars out with a few casa girls because the casa doesn't really require much scheduling or planning.

Most of these girls I see won't travel though. Or won't easily because of their school and work schedules. Currently only 1 of mine is willing to. So maybe their prices would get ruined if they started to go to Cartegena.And maybe this lack of ability to travel keeps the pricing down.

I would pay double though for my current experiences. But I just don't need to.[/QUOTE]This is the truth. I went to Bogota for the first time last month and met a 19-22 college girl at one of the clubs in Santa Fe. Took her back to my hotel for 150 k for an hour and a half. Great sex, BBBJ, and definitely GFE. I got her WhatsApp and plan to see her again when I visit next month. I would be happy if she was the only steady hookup I had in that city, but after reading your post I am thinking my experience wasn't that unusual and I might need to get a rotation started.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902840]You think she really finds it terrible for a 60 year old elvis with terrible hygiene to fly her to Cancun, Paris, Morocco? [/QUOTE]Jajajajaja what about the on-demand rim jobs he requests? Does she find those terrible or is it just a choice? I hope she atleast tells him to wash first.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2902769]Top echelon girls? Are those the fantasy women you imagine having sex with?[/QUOTE]I'm talking about the women you will never get a chance to score.

Haven't seen your passport stamps recently. Did you finally realize than nobody gives a shit about your itineraries?

I'm a month late but so what. Went to Bogota for the first time after deciding Santa Fe would be more peaceful than Veracruz in Medellin.

Did my hunting from Calle 24 to Calle 22.

First girl was for 70 mil with BBJ but wound up paying 90 because she stopped right when I was about to bust and told me my time was up. Whatever, I chalk it up as a rookie tax.

The next two I had were black girls with big asses, 70 mil each. Had good time with both.

Finally I had a 20 year old vennie for 60. She had big thighs but a flatter ass than I go for. But she was sweet.

All in all it was a good quick trip. Sex with 4 different girls for under 75 bucks is an incredible steal. I felt pretty safe, but I didn't explore as much as I couldve because I was still a little be nervous and my spanish isn't good enough yet.

Going back in a few weeks to check out Calle 19 in Santa Fe. Let me know if anyone wants to roll when I get there.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2902909]I'm talking about the women you will never get a chance to score.

Haven't seen your passport stamps recently. Did you finally realize than nobody gives a shit about your itineraries?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I looked at this guy Eszpresszo's posts, and in Sao Paulo, he was ragging on guys for going to Scandello and was bragging what he was getting was better and cheaper. IAnd then there was the photo, woman was in the class of Mr. E and Gabacho post. It is sadly exactly what I expected.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2902898]Jajajajaja what about the on-demand rim jobs he requests? Does she find those terrible or is it just a choice? I hope she atleast tells him to wash first.[/QUOTE]If ever there was a post that sent guys into envy, it was saying my gal licked my ass when I asked her to, and that happened like a year ago once. If I wanted more of it, I could ask but I am really not that into it. But you are still talking about it. That you are lying about this one time event and making jokes about it tells me that you are not getting rim jobs, and you would like to.

I shop at Dollar Store. I have banged women in Santa Fe, and yeah, sometimes what I get at DS or SF is better than things that are more expensive, but I am not going to go on and on about that. Usually you get what you pay for.

Still, why can't you be happy with what you have? Why do look at people going to high end stores and insult them and say what you are getting is just as good? Why can't you look at the people who do not have enough to eat and be thankful with what you have?

Instead of being jealous, how about you get off your collective asses and go make some money so you can get the higher end women?

And if you think pussy is pussy, why would you ever have a GF? Or better yet, why would any woman want you? Forget about what the men think. I cannot think of any bigger turn off there is than saying to a woman pussy is pussy.

Get in the last word and do the lies, insults, and insecure laughs. I am done arguing with obvious losers.

Hello all. I'll only be in Colombia for 2 weeks (maybe 3). Where in the country can I find girls who are legit bi AND at least 8 or higher? Is it Bogota? I won't do any street walkers nor very cheap low end dumpsters. I respect every man's taste but I'm just sharing what I will or won't do. I have no problem going the high end, but will not overpay market rate (possible for some clarity of what such a market rate is today? I don't care if they're black, mulata, mixed, white, whatever. They just got to be where the hotter girls are, and they got to be legit bi (most important).

I speak perfect Spanish so that's no problem. Where am I likely to find these girls?

And sometimes I see Colombian hotties in cams. Are they mostly in Bogota? Thanks for any help.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2902837]This is the truth. I went to Bogota for the first time last month and met a 19-22 college girl at one of the clubs in Santa Fe. Took her back to my hotel for 150 k for an hour and a half. Great sex, BBBJ, and definitely GFE. I got her WhatsApp and plan to see her again when I visit next month. I would be happy if she was the only steady hookup I had in that city, but after reading your post I am thinking my experience wasn't that unusual and I might need to get a rotation started.[/QUOTE]So what are the best clubs to hit in Bogota? I will be making my first trip there in April. I plan to get one way ticket from Medellin this way I can stay or leave when I want. Also do the hotels in Bogota upcharge for having visitors?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2902709]Dude, leave them alone and let them fuck ghetto chicks in Santa Fe for cheap. It is pointless to argue with people that think pussy is pussy. There are levels to pretty much everything in life (housing, cars, flights, meals, pussy). Guys living off a small pension have to work with what they can afford. They are just being jealous of guys who can get top echelon girls.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] It works exactly the same way as if you communicate with someone on the Internet, you communicate with an avatar and everything else is in your head. Just because a girl is beautiful doesn't mean the sex will be good. Plus, spending a week looking for a prostitute is simply stupid for many. From my experience I tried to meet girls on the sites, it takes at least 3 days of stupid texting. Plus, you need to dowhgrade her photo into at least three times. Plus in any case you get a prostitute in most cases.

If you bought a girl on an expensive site and paid 100 bucks for an hour, it doesn't mean that she's not fucked for 20 $$ by others. Everything you think about her is just your imagination and nothing more. I can give you an example.

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/dulce3125574633[/URL]

This is a real girl. I fuck her in Santa Fe the way I wanted for 25 dollars for 20 minutes. I've done this several times. Photos 100%. If you want to say that she is ugly then show me girls you fuck. This girl works in Santa Fe before lunch and in the north after lunch and charges USD 100+ per hour for it.

It all depends on what you want from sex. Some people just want good sex with minimal headaches. And other people want to prove to themselves that they are Arab Sheikhs. And want to satisfy their self-esteem.

If you fuck prostitutes then realize that someone else is fucking them.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2902769]Top echelon girls? Are those the fantasy women you imagine having sex with?[/QUOTE]That's exactly what it is. He's paying for a fantasy. The fantasy that he thinks that since he is paying more money that he is somehow getting something better than what normal guys paying in the normal price range can get. He calls this top echelon. I bet at some point those same women he pays 400 k were charging 100 k or 50 k even. Probably when they were younger and had less mileage. Now they're like 25 and charge more than when they were 19 and guys like MB1 come along and pay it and think they are in some kind of special lane LOL.

[QUOTE=JerseyItalian;2903664]So what are the best clubs to hit in Bogota? I will be making my first trip there in April. I plan to get one way ticket from Medellin this way I can stay or leave when I want. Also do the hotels in Bogota upcharge for having visitors?[/QUOTE]The only clubs I've been to in Santa Fe are Troya & Paisas. I wouldn't recommend going to either one of them at night unless you are with a group or feeling particularly brave.

Then there is Zona Rosa, which is a nice upscale area that has several what I would consider brothels around the edges of the commercial part. There are at least four. I don't remember the names and most look like nondescript buildings as far as I could tell. I was guided to each of them by a man named LEO who was clearly expecting a fee from them for bringing in business. You walk in and there are usually around a dozen girls standing around who come and line up in front of you. No dancing or even music as I recall. Very seedy atmosphere and the girls don't seem to be enjoying themselves.

If you pick a girl, you are expected to buy her a drink, which is usually like 40 k pesos. There was one girl I picked out to talk with, absolute smoking hot stunner that was at least a 9 on my scale, with her cute little body wrapped up in a trench coat. I think her name was Wendy. Spoke good English. But when I asked her the price for 2 hours in my hotel, she told me 600 k, plus I would have to pay a bar fine of 200 k. 800 k total. I took a hard pass on that, but damn it was still hard to walk away from her. Whew. She looked shocked to see me go. Probably doesn't get turned down by foreigners very often.

I was kicking myself for passing her up when I saw the options at the other clubs. Most of the girls were too curvy for my tastes, cold personality, or just not pretty. I realized Wendy had probably just doubled her hourly rate when I asked for 2 hours. I was kind of sick when I realized I could have been nailing her at the hotel for an hour for 500 k. But then I managed to find a cab to take me down to Santa Fe in the middle of the night (I don't think he even knew where we were going until we got close). Very reckless decision that I wouldn't advise, but I did pull a bad little chica college girl out of Troya and took her back to my hotel for 2 solid hours at 150 k. Plus 20 k for the cab fare and 20 k as a tip afterward. So glad the night turned out how it did. Wonderful night that I hope to relive in a few weeks, and very economical too.

I stayed at the Holiday Inn in Chapinero and there was no fee for bringing the girl in. The front desk just took forever scanning her ID.

I am curious. Street walkers are usually described as less attractive or desireable / older, hence the price difference. But I watched some videos recently of Santa Fe but also of el centro Medellin and some of those girls are smoking hot and. Look quite young as well.

Am I missing something here? I mean yes a girl from an high end place will dress better and put on higher quality makeup but seems to me there are plenty attractive and young!! 18-23 year old girls on the streets as well.

How much does a prettier street walker go for these days for 1 h bareback?

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2903981]I am curious. Street walkers are usually described as less attractive or desireable / older, hence the price difference. But I watched some videos recently of Santa Fe but also of el centro Medellin and some of those girls are smoking hot and. Look quite young as well.

Am I missing something here? I mean yes a girl from an high end place will dress better and put on higher quality makeup but seems to me there are plenty attractive and young!! 18-23 year old girls on the streets as well.

How much does a prettier street walker go for these days for 1 h bareback?[/QUOTE]It all depends on your luck. On the street you can find a cool girl but if you buy a girl in a brothel the service will most likely be better. A lot depends on how attractive you are to women. Tell her in advance what you want and how much you will tip for that. Go to the photoprepagos website and you will see the prices.

If someone here wants to say that it is easy to find a great girl on websites, then ask them how much time they spend on this search. From my experience, any girl I bought on any website is 5-10 years older, fatter and looks two times worse than in the photo. Any agency will send you another girl.

Anyone here can do the experiment. WhatsApp 20 girls. See how many replies you get. If you received a response within the next hour, then it's most likely a reseller / receptionist. Or a girls is free.

What does it mean? She has few longterm clients. What does it mean? She has bad service or not goodlooking, = locals don't want f* her. Any girl can answer two-five+ hours later if she answers at all. If she tells you that she will arrive in an hour, she can easily arrive in 3 hours and consider it normal. If she tells you that I will arrive in an hour and at that moment an old client calls her, she will forget about you.

If she answered you, ask her confirm her real age and pics, and tell her that if this is not true you will not pay. And then look at how many options you have.

My main point is: in Santa Fe, if you bought a girl for 20 bucks and you didn't like something at least you forgot about these 20 dollars and went to buy another girl.

If you bought a girl on the site, then you will pay her 100 bucks+, it's very easy that she will be a girl two or three times worse than you saw her in the photo, you will fuck her because she is already here and you spent 3-5 days to get her in your apartment and than you tell yourself that she was a porn star to save your selfestim. If someone wants to say "no" then read a good psychology textbook. In this case you are simply lying to yourself.

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P* is just p* and nothing more. And if someone wants to invite a prostitute on a date, then there is nothing wrong with that, but for me personally, it's stupid because your princess just sucked off at least five clients before date. And now she just bullshiting you and someone, like an idiot in love, buys it, buys her gifts and thinks that she is doing this because she is madly in love with you. A "tome cruse" who is 20-40 years older than her and look at yourself critical in the mirror.

Good luck.

Another experiment,

If anyone here doubts my words, then ask your next girl to show you a photo of her boyfriend on her phone, and then compare it with your image in the mirror. And before licking her pussy, Ask her How many clients she had before you today. And for lovers of bare back, google STD transmission, A prostitute's mouth and her pussy are no different. It's just a hole with mucous membrane. The same viruses and bacteria live in her mouth. And the blood to blood, from her gums is the same as the blood from her pussy.

I hope this will save you from STD, chlamydia, and prostatitis.

I forgot to say, for those who think that they f* 10/10 girls, Show your girls and say how much time you spend online. Don't worry that it will harm them because, on the contrary, it will be free advertising for them and your referals. Any of your girls who sells their p* needs new clients. You will make her a faivour. As I understand, most of the clients here are foreigners. And prostitutes in Colombia love foriners because foreigners are more silly and scared than locals, they demend less and pay a lot more.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2903854]That's exactly what it is. He's paying for a fantasy.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I doubt he has ever actually paid for sex anywhere or even been South of Cancun, hence the "fantasy women" I refer to. When you actually walk the walk, then you talk the talk. Frankly I don't care how much you pay. But if you have actually gone to Colombia, you won't be so caustic or antagonistic towards others. Spewing bile is not is not a sign of a happy punter. It's an example of "pent-up sexual frustration" among adolescent males.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2904012]Another experiment,

If anyone here doubts my words, then ask your next girl to show you a photo of her boyfriend on her phone, and then compare it with your image in the mirror. And before licking her pussy, Ask her How many clients she had before you today. And for lovers of bare back, google STD transmission, A prostitute's mouth and her pussy are no different. It's just a hole with mucous membrane. The same viruses and bacteria live in her mouth. And the blood to blood, from her gums is the same as the blood from her pussy.

I hope this will save you from STD, chlamydia, and prostatitis.[/QUOTE]I just was in Bogota the other day for a cpl days 3/23 - 3/25.

Anyways this chica showed up on Monday to my hotel I stay at whenever I'm in Bogota on Cra 13 and 22 she's a friend of a friend.

Anyways we agree to BBFS CIP for 100 k COP.

I get her in the room strip her naked and lock her pussy it has a slight pungent smell and taste with an aftertaste of sweet. I have her give me BBBJ but she only does a mediocre job with minimal effort so I can tell she doesn't like sucking dick raw. At this point I decide to dive in to see how her pussy feels.

Right away I could tell something wasn't right. She had a fucking tampon inside her pussy. It felt horrible I couldn't get all of my dick in and it was scratching my dick too, very uncomfortable to say the least. So I pull back out and I have a talk with her in Spanish. I was like:

"mira ya se que te metiste algo en la cuca, no me importa si estas en tus dias o si tienes tu periodo, no me importa si estas sangrando, eso para mi no es problema, lo que me molesta más es esa vaina que te metiste en la cuca, quitatelo porfa".

And she actually went in the bathroom and took the tampon out and thru it in the trash can and came back and got back on top. Instantly I could feel the difference and what a difference it was being able to insert all of my penis inside her and feel her moist warm walls gripping me and tugging on me and she goes up and down. Felt a million times better now. I could tell she felt embarrassed saying shit like "why si manchamos la cama?" so I just reasurred her that I didn't give a fuck saying "no imports la cams solo me importa el sexo" and I continued to BBFS her period pussy that now felt like heaven. Eventually she got tired so I got on top in missionary and pile driver and fucked her hard until I came inside her mixing my cum with her blood. Super nasty super sexy super fucking intense orgasm.

And guess what Mr. Igor, I'm not worried about any virus or bacteria, gonorrea chlamydia HIV or otherwise.

To live your life in fear is actually not living at all.

I say to hell with the fucking risks. Do what you enjoy doing and what makes you happy because for all we know we could die tomorrow and then you will have never had the experiences that made you happy.

I'm sure the people who died in the world trade center on Sept 11 2001 were not expecting to die that day. Wouldn't it have been a shame if you had died a virgin that day in the WTC because you were scared to have sex because of an STD you might or might not have contracted and then the next day you went to work and 9/11 happened and now you are fucking dead?

The point is that we are all here on a limited amount of time and we shouldn't be limiting ourselves from the things that we enjoy just because you are scared of some virus or bacteria. Hell in the years 2020 and 2021 more people died from Covid than died from Aids and those people weren't even having sex they just got covid from breathing so should I stop breathing because I am afraid of catching covid??

Anyways this is the end of this public service announcement.

Carry on.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2904350]Honestly, I doubt he has ever actually paid for sex anywhere or even been South of Cancun, hence the "fantasy women" I refer to. When you actually walk the walk, then you talk the talk. Frankly I don't care how much you pay. But if you have actually gone to Colombia, you won't be so caustic or antagonistic towards others. Spewing bile is not is not a sign of a happy punter. It's an example of "pent-up sexual frustration" among adolescent males.[/QUOTE]I think he has actually been to Colombia but he stays in selective areas. To quote JJBee, he stays in his "plastic Barrios" in other words when he comes to Colombia he stays well within his selective safe zones of Poblado, Laureles, la 70 etc. If he goes to Bogota probably would just stay in chapinero. Thus he has been to Colombia but he doesn't really know Colombia. I think alot of guys fall into this "plastic barrio" situation.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2904514]I think he has actually been to Colombia but he stays in selective areas. To quote JJBee, he stays in his "plastic Barrios" in other words when he comes to Colombia he stays well within his selective safe zones of Poblado, Laureles, la 70 etc. If he goes to Bogota probably would just stay in chapinero. Thus he has been to Colombia but he doesn't really know Colombia. I think alot of guys fall into this "plastic barrio" situation.[/QUOTE]Do you suggest I rent a $100-$200/ month shack in Aranjuez like you do to experience "real" Colombia? I prefer comfort and willing to pay for it. Shopping for a shower head is not something I want to do, as there are more fun things to do.

Also, the "plastic barrios" you are taking about are full of local Colombians, do you suggest they move to Aranjuez as well?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2904508]I just was in Bogota the other day for a cpl days 3/23 - 3/25.

And guess what Mr. Igor, I'm not worried about any virus or bacteria, gonorrea chlamydia HIV or otherwise.

To live your life in fear is actually not living at all.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I can assure you that the treatment to these diseases are very very nasty and painful. It is easy to say these things when you are healthy.

I had an HPV infection (not on my penis, THANK GOD) and went through several sessions of cryotherapy as it was rather aggressive. Took away 1 year of my social life and a LOT of pain.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2904568]Do you suggest I rent a $100-$200/ month shack in Aranjuez like you do to experience "real" Colombia? I prefer comfort and willing to pay for it. Shopping for a shower head is not something I want to do, as there are more fun things to do.

Also, the "plastic barrios" you are taking about are full of local Colombians, do you suggest they move to Aranjuez as well?[/QUOTE]All I'm saying is there is alot more to Colombia than just the more common tourist areas where all the gringos stay.

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[QUOTE=Turgid;2904734]The problem is that many mongers on ISG state how much bare back sex they have but they do not report when they get an STD.[/QUOTE]LOL yeah I see very few BBCIP3 DAYSTD posts. I'm sure it happens tho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2904508]I just was in Bogota the other day for a cpl days 3/23 - 3/25.

Anyways this chica showed up on Monday to my hotel I stay at whenever I'm in Bogota on Cra 13 and 22 she's a friend of a friend.

Anyways we agree to BBFS CIP for 100 k COP.

I get her in the room strip her naked and lock her pussy it has a slight pungent smell and taste with an aftertaste of sweet. I have her give me BBBJ but she only does a mediocre job with minimal effort so I can tell she doesn't like sucking dick raw. At this point I decide to dive in to see how her pussy feels..[/QUOTE]Mr. Gabacho,

I like your post. It reminds me of when I was 14 years old. It was 50 years ago but I still remember how I was a dick and dreamed of sticking my dick in any hole. Do you know why she had a tampon in her p* Because either she was having her period or she was having discharge for a medical reason.

Hi,

I see a lot of discussion here about drugs and robberies. Want to add my two cents to this.

[URL]https://youtu.be/mnS4bniHEWM?si=jw6oF_HMQgBVupUz[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/v_2lOvmmcAg?si=2zJn-ow6eYMDVBcH[/URL]

These are links on YouTube videos. A former officer telling a few cases of what happens when a man brings a women home and what problems can happen from this. I don't think anyone has seen anything like this. The videos in Russian, but you can go to the transcript, copy it and translate it into Google Translator, or you can probably use some Apps to see video with english subtitles.

Don't be lazy, take a look, this can save you from problems in the future, especially for those who like to order girls home. Most people here don't even think that this could happen to them or possible.

In a nutshell, this is about the fact that any woman can send you, at best, to a few months, and in the worst case, many years to a prison cell. And you won't even understand how it happened. Compared to this, any robbery will seem to you the best option that could happen to you. Because in any prison people don't like rapists, especially foreigners, because most of the locals are in prison believe that foreigners can't fuck their girls and sisters. So in a Colombian prison, you could serve as a girl (hole) for the local public to satisfy their physiological needs for pusy.

I repeat, don't be lazy, watch it, firstly, it's interesting, and secondly, I don't think you'll see such videos on English-language YouTube.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2905217]Hi,

I see a lot of discussion here about drugs and robberies. Want to add my two cents to this.

[URL]https://youtu.be/mnS4bniHEWM?si=jw6oF_HMQgBVupUz[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/v_2lOvmmcAg?si=2zJn-ow6eYMDVBcH[/URL]

These are links on YouTube videos. A former officer telling a few cases of what happens when a man brings a women home and what problems can happen from this..[/QUOTE]I wish the video had english captions. The transcript is too long to past into google translate in one shot.

Anyhow this is one of the reasons that I prefer doing the deed at an establishment vs bringing them back to my airbnb, a love motel, or their apartment.

Of course I have done this in the past but all things considered doing to a place of business is much preferred.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2905211] Do you know why she had a tampon in her p* Because either she was having her period or she was having discharge for a medical reason.[/QUOTE]It was her period. I thought I had said that in my post. That doesn't bother me at all though. The stupid tampon bothers me more than the period blood.

As many times as I see it, and as true as I know it to be, I can't help but be surprised that guys in their 50's and 60's need these reality checks and reminders.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2904012]Another experiment,

If anyone here doubts my words, then ask your next girl to show you a photo of her boyfriend on her phone, and then compare it with your image in the mirror. And before licking her pussy, Ask her How many clients she had before you today. And for lovers of bare back, google STD transmission, A prostitute's mouth and her pussy are no different. It's just a hole with mucous membrane. The same viruses and bacteria live in her mouth. And the blood to blood, from her gums is the same as the blood from her pussy.

I hope this will save you from STD, chlamydia, and prostatitis.[/QUOTE]

Bogota Trip Update:

As cool as it is reading the drama, I'd like to bring everything back into focus with a trip report. I've been on ground for about a week now and will be here a bit longer.

Arrival: I don't check bags so smooth through customs, etc. Withdrew some cash from an ATM at the airport and exchanged some money. Staying at Hotel San Francisco (decent breakfast is included). I've heard the hotel is guest friendly but I don't bring girls back so I wouldn't know. I sometimes stay in an Airbnb but I wanted the convenience of being able to roll out of bed this trip and grab breakfast right away.

Weather: For those who care, it is high 60's low 70's during the day, high 50's ish at night. It rains in late afternoon most days around 6 pm but usually clears up after an hour or so.

Easter season: Last week was "Holy Week" so things were a bit slow. The SF clubs were closed Thursday and Friday (except Paisas LOL) but were open in full swing last night. Easter week is a big deal here but Easter itself is not.

Safety: OK. So first, to the old gringo who was walking last night with two girls and loudly / drunkenly shouting, in English, "hey girls where are we going? In the middle of SF, that is not a good look. Part of me wanted to interject to help this old guy, but honestly if you haven't learned how to behave in public and not make yourself a target at this point then there's not much I can do for you. I have been going to SF for years at this point and haven't had any trouble. I typically walk to and from the place and the most dangerous part is coming and going. The part of SF with the clubs and main street girls is fine but you should always have your guard up. Don't be scared, be smart.

SF Girls: Last week was a slow week in SF because it was holy week. Maundy Thursday and Good Friday are national holidays in Colombia so the clubs were shut down and most of the street girls had closed up shop. Everything is back to business as usual today (Sunday) and I'll probably go check it out tonight. The girls were decent last week but nothing to write about. Hopefully the quality will improve as people come back from visiting their families or whatever it is they do during the holiday. As for overall quality of SF, well it depends. I have found the most attractive girls to be in Fiebre and Troya. I have not seen Fiebre girls working the street. I have seen a few Troya girls working the street. I have seen several of the girls from the other clubs go back and forth between the street and the clubs. You will pay more in the clubs than you will on the street by about double (60 k vs. 120 k). That is of course cheap by the standards of most people here, but a difference worth noting nonetheless. Fiebre girls on a Friday and Saturday night are the closest you will get to the quality you will find in a place like Solarium in Rio de Janeiro. Fiebre (Weekend) will have lots of 7's, a few 8's, maybe one or two 9's. Fiebre is typically not great on the weekdays. Troya is solid on both weekdays and weekends. Troya has a solid amount of 6's and 7's, very few 8's, no 9's. The other main clubs (Venus, Atunis, Paisas) will have mostly 4's and 5's, some 6's, even fewer 7's, and practically no 8's or 9's. I have occasionally seen an 8 in Atunis and Paisas, but never anywhere else. The street girls vary in quality significantly. Like I said before, most of the girls at the lower end clubs will wander to and from the street at their leisure.

SA Girls: You have a lot of flexibility here because you can make an arrangement with a girl that suits your fancy looks wise before ever even meeting. The most attractive girls here who are essentially part time escorts will ask for about 400-450 k per hour or per meet up, depending on the girl. I have met with a few of these girls for drinks and fun but the effort to follow through just isn't worth the energy for me. Nonetheless, I have seen many 8's and a few 9's. This option is good for people who don't mind spending the extra money to get with a girl they know they will find attractive without having to go anywhere. It isn't for me but it is still an option people should know about. As I don't like to bring girls back to where I stay, I have found several good short term motel options in Chapinero. They aren't hard to find. Just google it.

Massage Girls: Abejitas, Tantra Spa 72, Colorin Spa, Nanxing Spa, Vickys Spa, and Absolut Spa are all solid. They vary in price significantly. Vickys Spa has the most attractive girls and you will pay about 400-500 k for the hour. I found it to be worth it but it depends on the person. The girls here are quite attractive, in the 8 range by my standards.

Northern Club Girls: I would be lying if I said I had the name to these places and I haven't been to one since last summer. I found the girls to be just a tier better than what you would find in a place like Fiebre on a Saturday night. For those who have been to Brazil, think of it as like Centaurus in Rio. You're paying a lot but the quality tends to be there, for the most part. None of the places are even close to the famous Scandallo is Sao Paulo. You're going to pay a lot in these places and they absolutely will try to rip you off even more so than the waiters in the SF clubs. They will try to add drinks to your bill or charge super inflated prices like 60 k for a beer. The girls themselves will ask ridiculous prices like 600 k for the hour on top of a take out fee. Just the thought of the hassle it takes to have a good experience here stresses me out so I don't even pursue it. I went with a buddy last year just to show him and he loved it, but that is only because I took care of all of the logistics. If you want to find these clubs, simply just walk anywhere Zona Rosa and Zona T on any given night. A tout will approach you saying something like "chicas chicas" and show you the way.

Online Escort Girls: La Celestina. Eroticas Bogota. You don't need more than that. Prices are listed on their website and they are very reasonable for what you get. Additionally, these agencies don't scam, in my experience. The girls are quite attractive and you can ask the company to send you someone who will do what you like, just ask. Yes of course you could use the local sites like photoprepagos, mileroticos, or pasionprepagos but then you have to take the time to sort through the trash, read reviews, and then actually schedule with the girl. That is a lot of effort and moving pieces to save what amounts to be 20 to 30 bucks. If that is your thing, no judgment. Putting the effort into it to save a few bucks just isn't worth it to me.

For those of you who are like me and want quality and convenience and are willing to pay for it, then I believe your best bet is to navigate places like Troya and Fiebre on the weekends, mixing it up with high quality massage places like Vickys or Absolut during the week days, with some high quality escort service like La Celestina thrown in there somewhere. The effort of navigating the northern club scam circuit just isn't worth the squeeze for me and I don't have any interest in taking the time to sort through SA to arrange anything with a girl there. If you're looking for a safe, high quality, low stress experience like Scandallo in SP or Solarium in Rio, you won't find it here. Everything in Bogota has a trade off whether that be time, energy, expense, quality, or relative safety.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905321]Bogota Trip Update:

As cool as it is reading the drama, I'd like to bring everything back into focus with a trip report. I've been on ground for about a week now and will be here a bit longer.

Arrival: I don't check bags so smooth through customs, etc. Withdrew some cash from an ATM at the airport and exchanged some money. Staying at Hotel San Francisco (decent breakfast is included). I've heard the hotel is guest friendly but I don't bring girls back so I wouldn't know. I sometimes stay in an Airbnb but I wanted the convenience of being able to roll out of bed this trip and grab breakfast right away..[/QUOTE]Thoroughly enjoyed the report. Quick question. Do you remember where Vicky's Spa was located?

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905321]Bogota Trip Update:
As cool as it is reading the drama, I'd like to bring everything back into focus with a trip report. I've been on ground for about a week now and will be here a bit longer..[/QUOTE]Thanks for actually post something worth reading. Ill be back in Bogota Friday so I'm glad I missed the Easter slowness.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2905324]Thoroughly enjoyed the report. Quick question. Do you remember where Vicky's Spa was located?[/QUOTE]Yea where is it? I can't seem to find Vicky spa on google maps. I thought I had it saved. Apparently not.

You mentioned Abejitas, Tantra 72 etc. Vary a lot by price but mentioned only one price. Do you happen to know what any of the other price points might be among those massage places?

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905321]Bogota Trip Update:

As cool as it is reading the drama, I'd like to bring everything back into focus with a trip report. I've been on ground for about a week now and will be here a bit longer.

Arrival: I don't check bags so smooth through customs, etc. Withdrew some cash from an ATM at the airport and exchanged some money. Staying at Hotel San Francisco (decent breakfast is included). I've heard the hotel is guest friendly but I don't bring girls back so I wouldn't know. I sometimes stay in an Airbnb but I wanted the convenience of being able to roll out of bed this trip and grab breakfast right away.

Weather: For those who care, it is high 60's low 70's during the day, high 50's ish at night. It rains in late afternoon most days around 6 pm but usually clears up after an hour or so.

Easter season: Last week was "Holy Week" so things were a bit slow. The SF clubs were closed Thursday and Friday (except Paisas LOL) but were open in full swing last night. Easter week is a big deal here but Easter itself is not.

Safety: OK. So first, to the old gringo who was walking last night with two girls and loudly / drunkenly shouting, in English, "hey girls where are we going? In the middle of SF, that is not a good look. Part of me wanted to interject to help this old guy, but honestly if you haven't learned how to behave in public and not make yourself a target at this point then there's not much I can do for you. I have been going to SF for years at this point and haven't had any trouble. I typically walk to and from the place and the most dangerous part is coming and going. The part of SF with the clubs and main street girls is fine but you should always have your guard up. Don't be scared, be smart.

SF Girls: Last week was a slow week in SF because it was holy week. Maundy Thursday and Good Friday are national holidays in Colombia so the clubs were shut down and most of the street girls had closed up shop. Everything is back to business as usual today (Sunday) and I'll probably go check it out tonight. The girls were decent last week but nothing to write about. Hopefully the quality will improve as people come back from visiting their families or whatever it is they do during the holiday. As for overall quality of SF, well it depends. I have found the most attractive girls to be in Fiebre and Troya. I have not seen Fiebre girls working the street. I have seen a few Troya girls working the street. I have seen several of the girls from the other clubs go back and forth between the street and the clubs. You will pay more in the clubs than you will on the street by about double (60 k vs. 120 k). That is of course cheap by the standards of most people here, but a difference worth noting nonetheless. Fiebre girls on a Friday and Saturday night are the closest you will get to the quality you will find in a place like Solarium in Rio de Janeiro. Fiebre (Weekend) will have lots of 7's, a few 8's, maybe one or two 9's. Fiebre is typically not great on the weekdays. Troya is solid on both weekdays and weekends. Troya has a solid amount of 6's and 7's, very few 8's, no 9's. The other main clubs (Venus, Atunis, Paisas) will have mostly 4's and 5's, some 6's, even fewer 7's, and practically no 8's or 9's. I have occasionally seen an 8 in Atunis and Paisas, but never anywhere else. The street girls vary in quality significantly. Like I said before, most of the girls at the lower end clubs will wander to and from the street at their leisure.

SA Girls: You have a lot of flexibility here because you can make an arrangement with a girl that suits your fancy looks wise before ever even meeting. The most attractive girls here who are essentially part time escorts will ask for about 400-450 k per hour or per meet up, depending on the girl. I have met with a few of these girls for drinks and fun but the effort to follow through just isn't worth the energy for me. Nonetheless, I have seen many 8's and a few 9's. This option is good for people who don't mind spending the extra money to get with a girl they know they will find attractive without having to go anywhere. It isn't for me but it is still an option people should know about. As I don't like to bring girls back to where I stay, I have found several good short term motel options in Chapinero. They aren't hard to find. Just google it.

Massage Girls: Abejitas, Tantra Spa 72, Colorin Spa, Nanxing Spa, Vickys Spa, and Absolut Spa are all solid. They vary in price significantly. Vickys Spa has the most attractive girls and you will pay about 400-500 k for the hour. I found it to be worth it but it depends on the person. The girls here are quite attractive, in the 8 range by my standards.

Northern Club Girls: I would be lying if I said I had the name to these places and I haven't been to one since last summer. I found the girls to be just a tier better than what you would find in a place like Fiebre on a Saturday night. For those who have been to Brazil, think of it as like Centaurus in Rio. You're paying a lot but the quality tends to be there, for the most part. None of the places are even close to the famous Scandallo is Sao Paulo. You're going to pay a lot in these places and they absolutely will try to rip you off even more so than the waiters in the SF clubs. They will try to add drinks to your bill or charge super inflated prices like 60 k for a beer. The girls themselves will ask ridiculous prices like 600 k for the hour on top of a take out fee. Just the thought of the hassle it takes to have a good experience here stresses me out so I don't even pursue it. I went with a buddy last year just to show him and he loved it, but that is only because I took care of all of the logistics. If you want to find these clubs, simply just walk anywhere Zona Rosa and Zona T on any given night. A tout will approach you saying something like "chicas chicas" and show you the way.

Online Escort Girls: La Celestina. Eroticas Bogota. You don't need more than that. Prices are listed on their website and they are very reasonable for what you get. Additionally, these agencies don't scam, in my experience. The girls are quite attractive and you can ask the company to send you someone who will do what you like, just ask. Yes of course you could use the local sites like photoprepagos, mileroticos, or pasionprepagos but then you have to take the time to sort through the trash, read reviews, and then actually schedule with the girl. That is a lot of effort and moving pieces to save what amounts to be 20 to 30 bucks. If that is your thing, no judgment. Putting the effort into it to save a few bucks just isn't worth it to me.

For those of you who are like me and want quality and convenience and are willing to pay for it, then I believe your best bet is to navigate places like Troya and Fiebre on the weekends, mixing it up with high quality massage places like Vickys or Absolut during the week days, with some high quality escort service like La Celestina thrown in there somewhere. The effort of navigating the northern club scam circuit just isn't worth the squeeze for me and I don't have any interest in taking the time to sort through SA to arrange anything with a girl there. If you're looking for a safe, high quality, low stress experience like Scandallo in SP or Solarium in Rio, you won't find it here. Everything in Bogota has a trade off whether that be time, energy, expense, quality, or relative safety.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905321]Bogota Trip Update:

As cool as it is reading the drama, I'd like to bring everything back into focus with a trip report. I've been on ground for about a week now and will be here a bit longer.

For those of you who are like me and want quality and convenience and are willing to pay for it, then I believe your best bet is to navigate places like Troya and Fiebre on the weekends, mixing it up with high quality massage places like Vickys or Absolut during the week days,.[/QUOTE]Thanks for getting the BOG train back on the tracks.

I'm a casa lover but not familiar with either of these two. You got a preference and why?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2905324]Thoroughly enjoyed the report. Quick question. Do you remember where Vicky's Spa was located?[/QUOTE]Pasadena neighborhood in the north zone, something like carrera 53 con 104.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2905486]You mentioned Abejitas, Tantra 72 etc. Vary a lot by price but mentioned only one price. Do you happen to know what any of the other price points might be among those massage places?[/QUOTE]Tantras is about 100 k for a half hour. Lower quality here but still solid. Locals love it. I won't be going back.

Nanxing about 250 k 1 HR. Solid.

Abejitas about 270 k 1 HR. Solid.

Absolut about 350 k 1 HR. Hit or miss, but generally solid.

Vickys 400 k+, pretty good and worth it imo.

The locals don't really like Absolut or Vickys. It is very expensive for them so they talk a lot of trash about them on their local review boards. They say the places are overpriced for the quality, which I disagree with but you all can judge for yourselves.

Not much to write about but a few updates for those in the area or who will be coming to the area soon.

As I said in my previous report, the clubs and streets are open. It was pretty slow on Sunday night compared to Saturday night but I expect that is because of the obvious. The only clubs with a decent amount of girls in them were Paisas and Venus. Paisas had better quality by a long shot, but still not that great. Venus usually doesn't have many good looking girls in general but I still go check it out anyways. Troya, Fiebre, and Atunis were practically empty. Not many girls were out on the streets either. Lots of police were patrolling and patting people down, which I have seen them do occasionally.

One of the girls I saw in Paisas was working in front of one of the short time motels. She was decent looking, it was late, and I was tired so I decided to go see her. As expected, she quoted 60 k (compared to what would have been 120 k in Paisas itself) and we went inside. She asked if I wanted a BBBJ and I sure said, expecting her to ask for more cash. She just went right for it. Solid experience, in and out in 15 minutes. I tipped her 20 k for her work / performance and went on my way.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905526]Pasadena neighborhood in the north zone, something like carrera 53 con 104.

Tantras is about 100 k for a half hour. Lower quality here but still solid. Locals love it. I won't be going back.

Nanxing about 250 k 1 HR. Solid.

Abejitas about 270 k 1 HR. Solid.

Absolut about 350 k 1 HR. Hit or miss, but generally solid.

Vickys 400 k+, pretty good and worth it imo.

The locals don't really like Absolut or Vickys. It is very expensive for them so they talk a lot of trash about them on their local review boards. They say the places are overpriced for the quality, which I disagree with but you all can judge for yourselves.[/QUOTE]Tantra Spa is still 50 mil for 30 minutes with bbj included as of like 2 weeks ago. I was there. If you got charged closer to 100 then you negotiating extras. Or. Like my first time I asked how much was bbj and she upcharged me because I didn't know how it worked.

Tantra Bar is next door and I haven't been since end of last year. But it was 60 mil without bbj. But they bring you to the tantra spa rooms to do the deed.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905538]Tantra Spa is still 50 mil for 30 minutes with bbj included as of like 2 weeks ago. I was there. If you got charged closer to 100 then you negotiating extras. Or. Like my first time I asked how much was bbj and she upcharged me because I didn't know how it worked.

Tantra Bar is next door and I haven't been since end of last year. But it was 60 mil without bbj. But they bring you to the tantra spa rooms to do the deed.[/QUOTE]My apologies I meant to say 100 k for 1 HR. I typically do 1 HR in massage places so I can relax a bit. You are correct that it is 50 k for 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905542]My apologies I meant to say 100 k for 1 HR. I typically do 1 HR in massage places so I can relax a bit. You are correct that it is 50 k for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]Makes sense. Obviously we are all looking for different things. But. If you are looking for a massage I do not think tantra is the place to go. It's perfect for a 30 minute session to feel her out in a relaxed atmosphere outside the streets. I am just saying this for others reading up on it.

I've found some gems there but it's luck if the draw with the lineup.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905542]My apologies I meant to say 100 k for 1 HR. I typically do 1 HR in massage places so I can relax a bit. You are correct that it is 50 k for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]When I went last time about Mid March, tantra supervisor said they don't do 30 minutes. Only hour and 100 mil.

A friend and I went to this club as he wanted to see what high end was like in Bogota. His fist time in Bogota. He is not really a monger so it was funny to watch him turn into the prey for all those hot ladies. This place is just North of Parque 93 and it is very expensive. We had already spent hours at Pussy House and 69, around the corner from PH paying like 10 k pesos for our beers and 100 k for the lady of your choice. Negotiable as always. But this Lido place you got to have BANK. The beer are 50 k or 60 k each and we ordered 60 k variety and only that. With the fees, taxes, etc that bill came out to nearly 170 k for 2 beers. We just left bars paying 20 k for those same beers. Its a great club to see beautiful woman all fighting to be noticed by you and invited over for a chat, etc. Seems like its in a new space to me anyway I've been to a club like this years and years ago in the same block but it was quite small but high priced too. The moment you sit down about 25 girls surrounded my buddy and were just posing for him with all their best angles. I knew better and kept walking around and found me a chair at the bar where a few lined up for me to evaluate. To me 80% where doable on the spot, hot. Conversed with a few and the place has a 300 k room / exit charge and then you pay the girls rate. Always negotiable but was told from 500 k to a million Colombian pesos. Quality is nice and all but for that 170 k I could have had several rounds of beers and a girl at Pussy House / 69. Just my 2 cents.

GF.

[QUOTE=ReachJM;2905580]When I went last time about Mid March, tantra supervisor said they don't do 30 minutes. Only hour and 100 mil.[/QUOTE]This is just not accurate. Tantra is so easy. It does not sound like you have actually visited. You do not even need to ask for price. You ask for Medio. You pay the 50. And done. They are even honest if you give them more money and they return it. I've tested them and I have never been stolen from. So it's not believable that they would tell you only 1 hour is available.

You can negotiate for extras before or after you get in the room. Your call based on preference and / or comfort. Bbj always included. This is the experience on Monday through Saturday during the day or into the early evening.

My Spanish is still beyond horrible. It really is just this easy at Tantra.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2905605]A friend and I went to this club as he wanted to see what high end was like in Bogota. His fist time in Bogota. He is not really a monger so it was funny to watch him turn into the prey for all those hot ladies. This place is just North of Parque 93 and it is very expensive. We had already spent hours at Pussy House and 69, around the corner from PH paying like 10 k pesos for our beers and 100 k for the lady of your choice. Negotiable as always. But this Lido place you got to have BANK. The beer are 50 k or 60 k each and we ordered 60 k variety and only that. With the fees, taxes, etc that bill came out to nearly 170 k for 2 beers. We just left bars paying 20 k for those same beers. Its a great club to see beautiful woman all fighting to be noticed by you and invited over for a chat, etc. Seems like its in a new space to me anyway I've been to a club like this years and years ago in the same block but it was quite small but high priced too. The moment you sit down about 25 girls surrounded my buddy and were just posing for him with all their best angles. I knew better and kept walking around and found me a chair at the bar where a few lined up for me to evaluate. To me 80% where doable on the spot, hot. Conversed with a few and the place has a 300 k room / exit charge and then you pay the girls rate. Always negotiable but was told from 500 k to a million Colombian pesos. Quality is nice and all but for that 170 k I could have had several rounds of beers and a girl at Pussy House / 69. Just my 2 cents.

GF.[/QUOTE]The problem with Lido is all the workers begging for tips. The owners need to pay their employees. The club is just not that interesting. I think I have seen two women from Lido. One was quite good and the other a major waste of time and money. With all the choices in Bogota, Lido is not worth the trouble.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2905605]A friend and I went to this club as he wanted to see what high end was like in Bogota. His fist time in Bogota. He is not really a monger so it was funny to watch him turn into the prey for all those hot ladies. This place is just North of Parque 93 and it is very expensive. We had already spent hours at Pussy House and 69, around the corner from PH paying like 10 k pesos for our beers and 100 k for the lady of your choice. Negotiable as always. But this Lido place you got to have BANK. The beer are 50 k or 60 k each and we ordered 60 k variety and only that. With the fees, taxes, etc that bill came out to nearly 170 k for 2 beers. We just left bars paying 20 k for those same beers. Its a great club to see beautiful woman all fighting to be noticed by you and invited over for a chat, etc. Seems like its in a new space to me anyway I've been to a club like this years and years ago in the same block but it was quite small but high priced too. The moment you sit down about 25 girls surrounded my buddy and were just posing for him with all their best angles. I knew better and kept walking around and found me a chair at the bar where a few lined up for me to evaluate. To me 80% where doable on the spot, hot. Conversed with a few and the place has a 300 k room / exit charge and then you pay the girls rate. Always negotiable but was told from 500 k to a million Colombian pesos. Quality is nice and all but for that 170 k I could have had several rounds of beers and a girl at Pussy House / 69. Just my 2 cents.

GF.[/QUOTE]Just curious. Do 50-60 k beers taste different? Is the 500% markup reflected in 500% more attractive girls? (If you can even measure that).

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2905526]Pasadena neighborhood in the north zone, something like carrera 53 con 104.

Tantras is about 100 k for a half hour. Lower quality here but still solid. Locals love it. I won't be going back.

Nanxing about 250 k 1 HR. Solid.

Abejitas about 270 k 1 HR. Solid.

Absolut about 350 k 1 HR. Hit or miss, but generally solid.

Vickys 400 k+, pretty good and worth it imo.

The locals don't really like Absolut or Vickys. It is very expensive for them so they talk a lot of trash about them on their local review boards. They say the places are overpriced for the quality, which I disagree with but you all can judge for yourselves.[/QUOTE]Do you have a name or link of a local punter message board / forum in Colombia? Would be curious to read up on some of the local reviews.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2905888]Do you have a name or link of a local punter message board / forum in Colombia? Would be curious to read up on some of the local reviews.[/QUOTE]Sure, there is one called denunciando dot co. Go to sexual turismo and then scroll down and click on "Bogota. Sitios de show de striptease".

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2905605]A friend and I went to this club as he wanted to see what high end was like in Bogota. His fist time in Bogota. He is not really a monger so it was funny to watch him turn into the prey for all those hot ladies. This place is just North of Parque 93 and it is very expensive. We had already spent hours at Pussy House and 69, around the corner from PH paying like 10 k pesos for our beers and 100 k for the lady of your choice. Negotiable as always. But this Lido place you got to have BANK. The beer are 50 k or 60 k each and we ordered 60 k variety and only that. With the fees, taxes, etc that bill came out to nearly 170 k for 2 beers. We just left bars paying 20 k for those same beers. Its a great club to see beautiful woman all fighting to be noticed by you and invited over for a chat, etc. Seems like its in a new space to me anyway I've been to a club like this years and years ago in the same block but it was quite small but high priced too. The moment you sit down about 25 girls surrounded my buddy and were just posing for him with all their best angles. I knew better and kept walking around and found me a chair at the bar where a few lined up for me to evaluate. To me 80% where doable on the spot, hot. Conversed with a few and the place has a 300 k room / exit charge and then you pay the girls rate. Always negotiable but was told from 500 k to a million Colombian pesos. Quality is nice and all but for that 170 k I could have had several rounds of beers and a girl at Pussy House / 69. Just my 2 cents.

GF.[/QUOTE]Many of those girls would come to you discretely about 30 minutes before the place shuts down and offer to meet in a nearby 24 h supermarket, rates would come down considerably.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905641]This is just not accurate. Tantra is so easy. It does not sound like you have actually visited. You do not even need to ask for price. You ask for Medio. You pay the 50. And done. They are even honest if you give them more money and they return it. I've tested them and I have never been stolen from. So it's not believable that they would tell you only 1 hour is available.

You can negotiate for extras before or after you get in the room. Your call based on preference and / or comfort. Bbj always included. This is the experience on Monday through Saturday during the day or into the early evening.

My Spanish is still beyond horrible. It really is just this easy at Tantra.[/QUOTE]Haven't been there in a while but locals complain in spanish forums about the service going bad. They say girls want almost everything as an extra so I wouldn't be surprised if some are asking for 1 hour minimum.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2906008]Haven't been there in a while but locals complain in spanish forums about the service going bad. They say girls want almost everything as an extra so I wouldn't be surprised if some are asking for 1 hour minimum.[/QUOTE]Maybe gringos get better service. Last time I went girl gave me a 10 minute bbj while I was standing up and she deep throated. All on her own. It was a random new to me girl I picked. No additionals paid for. Spinner type, young, super cute, and no baby damage.

I'm not saying tantra spa is the pinnacle of the mongering experience in Bogota. But. For 50 mil and bbj I have almost never had a dud there and found some good repeats. I can't dispute others that maybe got bad service. But I've been probably 40+ times in the last 18 months. And never had money or time issues and always good to very good service. So it's just been so reliable for me across so many visits that some of the other feedback doesn't line up for me.

For me, it's a 15 minute walk and worth a stop on a regular basis during lunch for a relaxed and easy time.

I am also wondering if some of the other forum people are mixing the reviews up with Tantra Bar. Bbj has never been included there for me and everything seems like an extra. And, the different female jeffe has hassled me for being cheap by doing 30 minutes. However, my buddy and I were negotiating 100 mill BBFS for 30 minutes there though with some girls at the bar. So more expensive than Tantra Spa, but with more service. I haven't sessioned with anyone at Bar this year though.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2905887]Just curious. Do 50-60 k beers taste different? Is the 500% markup reflected in 500% more attractive girls? (If you can even measure that).[/QUOTE]No, no difference.

I wanted to share my recent experience with others who may contemplate going to the establishment. Its not meant to be a recommendation or endorsement.

My personal preference is home delivery. I have had good success with LaCelestina and Solitasparati in the past.

GF.

I have been browsing quite a bit on pasionprepagos as well as miloseroticos and facebook as well. Getting quoted between 80 k all the way to 300 k for 1 hour.

Been messaging back and forth with quite a few girls. Many are willing to go cheaper for 2-3 hour stays but out of like 40 girls I messaged only a handful would agree to sex without condom.

Is this easier with the street girls or what's the catch?

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2906237]I have been browsing quite a bit on pasionprepagos as well as miloseroticos and facebook as well. Getting quoted between 80 k all the way to 300 k for 1 hour.

Been messaging back and forth with quite a few girls. Many are willing to go cheaper for 2-3 hour stays but out of like 40 girls I messaged only a handful would agree to sex without condom.

Is this easier with the street girls or what's the catch?[/QUOTE]Never ask and wait them to propose during the meeting. Some will propose, some won't. I get the proposal approx 50% of the time without asking and I do accept or not depending on feeling but I prefer to avoid risk in general so go with the gummy anyway.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2906237]I have been browsing quite a bit on pasionprepagos as well as miloseroticos and facebook as well. Getting quoted between 80 k all the way to 300 k for 1 hour.

Been messaging back and forth with quite a few girls. Many are willing to go cheaper for 2-3 hour stays but out of like 40 girls I messaged only a handful would agree to sex without condom.

Is this easier with the street girls or what's the catch?[/QUOTE]Chapinero casa girls are pretty agreeable. And you can just walk to the next casa if you can't find one in that moment. From there you can find a regular if you want. Some won't be willing to come to your apartment or love motel though, but you can typically still get their Whatsapp to coordinate going to see them at the casa.

[QUOTE=Marglo;2905826]The problem with Lido is all the workers begging for tips. The owners need to pay their employees. The club is just not that interesting. I think I have seen two women from Lido. One was quite good and the other a major waste of time and money. With all the choices in Bogota, Lido is not worth the trouble.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't you agree the quality is higher than other places in Bogota though? Or where else can you find that high quality in Bogota?

What is the address of Tantra?

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2905641]This is just not accurate. Tantra is so easy. It does not sound like you have actually visited. You do not even need to ask for price. You ask for Medio. You pay the 50. And done. They are even honest if you give them more money and they return it. I've tested them and I have never been stolen from. So it's not believable that they would tell you only 1 hour is available.

You can negotiate for extras before or after you get in the room. Your call based on preference and / or comfort. Bbj always included. This is the experience on Monday through Saturday during the day or into the early evening.

My Spanish is still beyond horrible. It really is just this easy at Tantra.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2905605]A friend and I went to this club as he wanted to see what high end was like in Bogota. His fist time in Bogota. He is not really a monger so it was funny to watch him turn into the prey for all those hot ladies. This place is just North of Parque 93 and it is very expensive. We had already spent hours at Pussy House and 69, around the corner from PH paying like 10 k pesos for our beers and 100 k for the lady of your choice. Negotiable as always. But this Lido place you got to have BANK. The beer are 50 k or 60 k each and we ordered 60 k variety and only that. With the fees, taxes, etc that bill came out to nearly 170 k for 2 beers. We just left bars paying 20 k for those same beers. Its a great club to see beautiful woman all fighting to be noticed by you and invited over for a chat, etc. Seems like its in a new space to me anyway I've been to a club like this years and years ago in the same block but it was quite small but high priced too. The moment you sit down about 25 girls surrounded my buddy and were just posing for him with all their best angles. I knew better and kept walking around and found me a chair at the bar where a few lined up for me to evaluate. To me 80% where doable on the spot, hot. Conversed with a few and the place has a 300 k room / exit charge and then you pay the girls rate. Always negotiable but was told from 500 k to a million Colombian pesos. Quality is nice and all but for that 170 k I could have had several rounds of beers and a girl at Pussy House / 69. Just my 2 cents.

GF.[/QUOTE]Oh man, I love taking noobs to Lido, yes it's overpriced but can be a hell of an experience if you want to just blow money. I personally enjoy being cheap AF in Santa Fe but Lido can be fun. Great report GF.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2905605]A friend and I went to this club as he wanted to see what high end was like in Bogota. His fist time in Bogota. He is not really a monger so it was funny to watch him turn into the prey for all those hot ladies. This place is just North of Parque 93 and it is very expensive. We had already spent hours at Pussy House and 69, around the corner from PH paying like 10 k pesos for our beers and 100 k for the lady of your choice. Negotiable as always. But this Lido place you got to have BANK. The beer are 50 k or 60 k each and we ordered 60 k variety and only that. With the fees, taxes, etc that bill came out to nearly 170 k for 2 beers. We just left bars paying 20 k for those same beers. Its a great club to see beautiful woman all fighting to be noticed by you and invited over for a chat, etc. Seems like its in a new space to me anyway I've been to a club like this years and years ago in the same block but it was quite small but high priced too. The moment you sit down about 25 girls surrounded my buddy and were just posing for him with all their best angles. I knew better and kept walking around and found me a chair at the bar where a few lined up for me to evaluate. To me 80% where doable on the spot, hot. Conversed with a few and the place has a 300 k room / exit charge and then you pay the girls rate. Always negotiable but was told from 500 k to a million Colombian pesos. Quality is nice and all but for that 170 k I could have had several rounds of beers and a girl at Pussy House / 69. Just my 2 cents.

GF.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I love these style of clubs vs the stripe clubs / massage casas etc.

I always put bogata off my list (not really sure why) just always thought medellin and carta was better maybe?

Maybe my next trip to medellin ill have to do a stop by in Bogota too.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2906430]Thanks for the info. I love these style of clubs vs the stripe clubs / massage casas etc.

I always put bogata off my list (not really sure why) just always thought medellin and carta was better maybe?

Maybe my next trip to medellin ill have to do a stop by in Bogota too.[/QUOTE]I used to to do MDE only for years. One day a few years back I decided to do BOG. I have only been back to MDE like once in the last five years only because friends wanted to go.

While I love the weather in MDE I much prefer BOG for a number of reasons.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2906256]Wouldn't you agree the quality is higher than other places in Bogota though? Or where else can you find that high quality in Bogota?[/QUOTE]There is a club not far away from Lido. I think it was called Juan Pablo Zhivago. They have a new name now, and is probably under new ownership or management. Last time I was there 6 months ago, there were about 10 girls all 7. 5 to 8. 5 on a very slow night, similar quality like in Lido, just not in Lido's #. A bit cheaper than Lido, and girls are more willing to negotiate.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2906478]There is a club not far away from Lido. I think it was called Juan Pablo Zhivago. They have a new name now, and is probably under new ownership or management. Last time I was there 6 months ago, there were about 10 girls all 7. 5 to 8. 5 on a very slow night, similar quality like in Lido, just not in Lido's #. A bit cheaper than Lido, and girls are more willing to negotiate.[/QUOTE]Last 2 x I went to Lidos multiple girls have told me that Mexican "businessmen" flood this place on weekends which would make sense if you know anything about the narco industry. .

This is the lotto they want to hit because they spend tons of $$ and are too drunk to even get it up and don't have crazy requests.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2906237]I have been browsing quite a bit on pasionprepagos as well as miloseroticos and facebook as well. Getting quoted between 80 k all the way to 300 k for 1 hour.

Been messaging back and forth with quite a few girls. Many are willing to go cheaper for 2-3 hour stays but out of like 40 girls I messaged only a handful would agree to sex without condom.

Is this easier with the street girls or what's the catch?[/QUOTE]I've been out of the game the last 18 months more / less due to a relationship. It ended and now heading to BOG this weekend, Tinder hoes are out of pocket. I think these so-called "Passport Bros" have truly fawked the game up. Regular Tinder hoes are now asking as much 200 USD / HR and one quoted 300 USD TLN in Bogota. The same hoe I banged twice before in '22 + '23 for 200 COP is now asking 150 USD / HR. Yes, I know its Tinder and I declined them all. But for Bogota, those prices are just outrageous.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2906520]I think these so-called "Passport Bros" have truly fawked the game up. [/QUOTE]Well, those dudes lurk in these forums. When guys rave about Bogota or lay out the blueprint on the internet, they read the stuff too. That's how it goes.

I am happy to pay extra, but I am looking for a hotel that will take the guest's ID and make sure I am okay before giving it back to the guest. Sheraton Bogata used to do that a few years ago, but I don't know if they still do it.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2906520]Tinder hoes are out of pocket. I think these so-called "Passport Bros" have truly fawked the game up. Regular Tinder hoes are now asking as much 200 USD / HR and one quoted 300 USD TLN in Bogota. The same hoe I banged twice before in '22 + '23 for 200 COP is now asking 150 USD / HR. Yes, I know its Tinder and I declined them all. But for Bogota, those prices are just outrageous.[/QUOTE]Passport bros? You know there are people on this forum that talk about paying that much and say if you are paying less then you are being cheap. But this is a prime example that chicks that ask for $200 have not always charged $200. And what makes her so high quality (or whatever buzz words they use) now for $150 than she was when you got her for 200 K? Nothing. She just realized people would pay it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2906528]Passport bros? You know there are people on this forum that talk about paying that much and say if you are paying less then you are being cheap. But this is a prime example that chicks that ask for $200 have not always charged $200. And what makes her so high quality (or whatever buzz words they use) now for $150 than she was when you got her for 200 K? Nothing. She just realized people would pay it.[/QUOTE]Because it's a cheap flight and it's short to either Cartagena or Medellin. I guess the airlines also go to Bogota but not as often. I guess you all read the news, The Mayor is pissed. Trying to close it down.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2906520]I've been out of the game the last 18 months more / less due to a relationship. It ended and now heading to BOG this weekend, Tinder hoes are out of pocket. I think these so-called "Passport Bros" have truly fawked the game up. Regular Tinder hoes are now asking as much 200 USD / HR and one quoted 300 USD TLN in Bogota. The same hoe I banged twice before in '22 + '23 for 200 COP is now asking 150 USD / HR. Yes, I know its Tinder and I declined them all. But for Bogota, those prices are just outrageous.[/QUOTE]Anybody been to the clubs lately. I've been told 250 k for the hour and 150 k for 15 min non negotiable and I had to walk away. Still found some for 150 k but it's been harder to find lately.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2906739]Because it's a cheap flight and it's short to either Cartagena or Medellin. I guess the airlines also go to Bogota but not as often. I guess you all read the news, The Mayor is pissed. Trying to close it down.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the writing is on the wall, and the stupid attitude is that if every guy just does X, all will be the same has been blown out of the water just seeing what has happened in Cartagena and Medellin. About twenty years ago, Buenos Aires was a great mongering destination and it got shut down. As Sang pointed out, the amount of money some Mexicans have is unreal. How long has California been trying to do high speed rail between SF and LA? Well, the Mexicans are putting the finishing touches on their Mayan Train around Cancun, and it is fucking unreal. Tulum built a brand new airport as well that is super nice. If not for Sang, no one would have even imagined Mexicans with money. Seeking is actually used more in Mexico than the USA.

Bogota has planned better for the sex trade than those other two cities and has not been the eye sore that it was in Cartagena and Medellin. Still as I have learned a lot about the culture and the more educated classes, I can tell you that the way the higher class women are raised much much more differently than I expected. The best schools are religious ones, and I would be shocked if most of the women in them were not virgins.

I thought it would be different as you went up the age scale and so I met one of my gal's family members who is very cute, fashionable, and in her 20's, and I thought for sure she would have had a lot of BFs and dated a lot. Nope. Thing is that most Colombian men are such macho dickheads she does not want that in her life. And you have to admit that part of the problem in Colombia is that many of the most successful men were assholes in the drug trade. After a while, I got why my gal's daughter was attracted to the Asian entertainment. The male-female relations are typically shown in a more wholesome light.

So the guys thinking of holding back the currents of change need a wakeup call. The sex trade is gong to be wiped out in Colombia, and the guys who think that they should hold out for better prices are going to learn just like the men in Argentina did that not only are prices never going down, the availability of women is going to go way down as well.

[QUOTE=HoyaDay;2906813]Anybody been to the clubs lately. I've been told 250 k for the hour and 150 k for 15 min non negotiable and I had to walk away. Still found some for 150 k but it's been harder to find lately.[/QUOTE]It would be helpful if you were more specific? What clubs are you talking about? Those prices seem high for santa fe clubs. Do you speak spanish. You're possibly getting gringo taxed.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2906890]It would be helpful if you were more specific? What clubs are you talking about? Those prices seem high for santa fe clubs. Do you speak spanish. You're possibly getting gringo taxed.[/QUOTE]Troya / paisa, I don't speak Spanish and it is definitely a new tax for gringos. I have been to Bogota for the last couple years and the last time was in February. This was the first time I have heard of this.

[QUOTE=HoyaDay;2906942]Troya / paisa, I don't speak Spanish and it is definitely a new tax for gringos. I have been to Bogota for the last couple years and the last time was in February. This was the first time I have heard of this.[/QUOTE]The gringo tax is simply that they see you are a gringo and ask for 3 times the normal rate. Its nothing new.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2907034]The gringo tax is simply that they see you are a gringo and ask for 3 times the normal rate. Its nothing new.[/QUOTE]The writing is on the wall, the gig is up pretty much sums it for us gringos now. I am in town and yup, things done change (a al Biggie Smalls). Started talking with another chic on Tinder, she's 31, nice pics (lots of face filters) but the body is done up nice. I offered 300 k / HR and she "jajajaja. " She told that's not even enough for her to buy make-up. When I asked her out of curiosity what she wanted, her reply: I am used to men treating me like a queen and spending lots of money. I wouldn't leave my house for less than 1 MM cop for the hour. To be sure, I asked did you mean you want a million pesos an hour, she flat out said yes. Had no words so just said thanks and best wishes.

Sunday, I am at Federal night club, lots of "working" chicas in there. One caught my attention, we started the conversation and after minutes we talking business, she said its 100 dolares / una hora. Mmm! I asked if any of the local guys will give her 100 dolares, she said no "pero you have it". She's on Tinder too, showed me her profile asking 100-150 USD / HR. Once again, I declined and ultimately left.

After leaving Federal club, walking down the street seeing what else is open, I made the mistake of following a street hustler into a tittie bar. It was curiosity more than anything else. Walked in, place is totally empty, not even a single customer but they had lots and lots of chicas, I estimated close to 30 of all types. Soon as I walked in, I got swarmed and could hardly breathe due to heavy smell of cigarettes, hot and completely surrounded. This one pretty Vennie caught my eye, asked the others to leave and was working to get her number. She kept asking to buy her exit fee which was 180 k pesos, no thanks. The she asked for a drink, told her she can have a Corona, I didn't drink. Few minutes later, getting ready to leave. Mofo's charged me 70 k for 1 Corona, wow fawk! I got got. Well, anyway, lesson learned. Time to hit the casas and prepagos.

And a small update, its not just Passport Bros fawking the game, these girls are also looking at other chicas on IG getting tripped around the world, Dubai, Italy, Greece. By sponsors and def feel like getting it too.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2907070]The writing is on the wall, the gig is up pretty much sums it for us gringos now. I am in town and yup, things done change (a al Biggie Smalls). Started talking with another chic on Tinder, she's 31, nice pics (lots of face filters) but the body is done up nice. I offered 300 k / HR and she "jajajaja. " She told that's not even enough for her to buy make-up. When I asked her out of curiosity what she wanted, her reply: I am used to men treating me like a queen and spending lots of money. I wouldn't leave my house for less than 1 MM cop for the hour. To be sure, I asked did you mean you want a million pesos an hour, she flat out said yes. Had no words so just said thanks and best wishes.

Sunday, I am at Federal night club, lots of "working" chicas in there. One caught my attention, we started the conversation and after minutes we talking business, she said its 100 dolares / una hora. Mmm! I asked if any of the local guys will give her 100 dolares, she said no "pero you have it". She's on Tinder too, showed me her profile asking 100-150 USD / HR. Once again, I declined and ultimately left.

After leaving Federal club, walking down the street seeing what else is open, I made the mistake of following a street hustler into a tittie bar. It was curiosity more than anything else. Walked in, place is totally empty, not even a single customer but they had lots and lots of chicas, I estimated close to 30 of all types. Soon as I walked in, I got swarmed and could hardly breathe due to heavy smell of cigarettes, hot and completely surrounded. This one pretty Vennie caught my eye, asked the others to leave and was working to get her number. She kept asking to buy her exit fee which was 180 k pesos, no thanks. The she asked for a drink, told her she can have a Corona, I didn't drink. Few minutes later, getting ready to leave. Mofo's charged me 70 k for 1 Corona, wow fawk! I got got. Well, anyway, lesson learned. Time to hit the casas and prepagos.

And a small update, its not just Passport Bros fawking the game, these girls are also looking at other chicas on IG getting tripped around the world, Dubai, Italy, Greece. By sponsors and def feel like getting it too.[/QUOTE]This is what happens when you have guys like MB1, Sang, and Madd who spend that kind of money just to flaunt their wealth.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2907070]The writing is on the wall, the gig is up pretty much sums it for us gringos now. I am in town and yup, things done change (a al Biggie Smalls). Started talking with another chic on Tinder, she's 31, nice pics (lots of face filters) but the body is done up nice. I offered 300 k / HR and she "jajajaja. " She told that's not even enough for her to buy make-up. When I asked her out of curiosity what she wanted, her reply: I am used to men treating me like a queen and spending lots of money. I wouldn't leave my house for less than 1 MM cop for the hour. To be sure, I asked did you mean you want a million pesos an hour, she flat out said yes. Had no words so just said thanks and best wishes.

Sunday, I am at Federal night club, lots of "working" chicas in there. One caught my attention, we started the conversation and after minutes we talking business, she said its 100 dolares / una hora. Mmm! I asked if any of the local guys will give her 100 dolares, she said no "pero you have it". She's on Tinder too, showed me her profile asking 100-150 USD / HR. Once again, I declined and ultimately left.

After leaving Federal club, walking down the street seeing what else is open, I made the mistake of following a street hustler into a tittie bar. It was curiosity more than anything else. Walked in, place is totally empty, not even a single customer but they had lots and lots of chicas, I estimated close to 30 of all types. Soon as I walked in, I got swarmed and could hardly breathe due to heavy smell of cigarettes, hot and completely surrounded. This one pretty Vennie caught my eye, asked the others to leave and was working to get her number. She kept asking to buy her exit fee which was 180 k pesos, no thanks. The she asked for a drink, told her she can have a Corona, I didn't drink. Few minutes later, getting ready to leave. Mofo's charged me 70 k for 1 Corona, wow fawk! I got got. Well, anyway, lesson learned. Time to hit the casas and prepagos.

And a small update, its not just Passport Bros fawking the game, these girls are also looking at other chicas on IG getting tripped around the world, Dubai, Italy, Greece. By sponsors and def feel like getting it too.[/QUOTE]These arabian princes can only f)(so many girls, there plenty of other options out there. Tinder is a lost cause, has been for a while. I've never heard of Federal Club before and a google map search doesn't come up with anything. Where is this place? I'm going to guess somewhere touristy. They all going to overcharge you. Best bet is to learn spanish and ask for prices before ordering. Passport bros going to be what they are. Not going away anytime soon. Especially as I hear this term thrown around more and more. Perhaps, ironically, this forum is probably doing more damage to our hobby than it is helping.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2907034]The gringo tax is simply that they see you are a gringo and ask for 3 times the normal rate. Its nothing new.[/QUOTE]What amazes me is if a gringo is not stupid to pay gringo tax and offers her a normal rate, she still will pass on it. She either is 100% confident someone else will bite, or just plain stupid to make zero instead of a normal rate.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2907085]These arabian princes can only f)(so many girls, there plenty of other options out there. Tinder is a lost cause, has been for a while. I've never heard of Federal Club before and a google map search doesn't come up with anything. Where is this place? I'm going to guess somewhere touristy. They all going to overcharge you. Best bet is to learn spanish and ask for prices before ordering. Passport bros going to be what they are. Not going away anytime soon. Especially as I hear this term thrown around more and more. Perhaps, ironically, this forum is probably doing more damage to our hobby than it is helping.[/QUOTE]I doubt she'd ever gotten 1 M for 1 hour. Some are just bluffing, other have friends who supposedly got that much so they are convinced they can get that much too. Colombians love telling stories about buying cheaper and always getting great deals on anything they do, from restaurants to cars to clothes so girls wouldn't be an exception.

I have gotten Tinder girls for around 250 three hours. Maybe try with a profile in Spanish and a photo that doesn't make it obvious where you are from. Once I asked a very pretty Tinder girl how much she wanted and she said 600 for one hour. After some negotiation we ended up meeting for 250 for three hours and some taxy money. Now she is in Dubai "living the life" and driving porches and showing pictures of 5 star hotels. I wonder what would be her real life like.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2907112]I doubt she'd ever gotten 1 M for 1 hour. Some are just bluffing, other have friends who supposedly got that much so they are convinced they can get that much too. Colombians love telling stories about buying cheaper and always getting great deals on anything they do, from restaurants to cars to clothes so girls wouldn't be an exception.

I have gotten Tinder girls for around 250 three hours. Maybe try with a profile in Spanish and a photo that doesn't make it obvious where you are from. Once I asked a very pretty Tinder girl how much she wanted and she said 600 for one hour. After some negotiation we ended up meeting for 250 for three hours and some taxy money. Now she is in Dubai "living the life" and driving porches and showing pictures of 5 star hotels. I wonder what would be her real life like.[/QUOTE]Any Colombian girl that gets invited to Dubai never be the same after that.

They go to Dubai and get a minimum of 40 k usd. They also get all top designers bags etc best foods and luxury hotels.

But the price for this is to have sex with a young boy, have group orgies, and each man will never use a condom and each man will come on their faces. Afterwards they will piss on the girls face. Then for round 2 sex COF then shifted on. That is the only way they get paid in full.

This country already has the best looking hookers from all over the world for around 300-400 an hour. If they're flying these girls out then that's the only reason. So she's really not "living it up " LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2906857]Yeah, the writing is on the wall, and the stupid attitude is that if every guy just does X, all will be the same has been blown out of the water just seeing what has happened in Cartagena and Medellin. About twenty years ago, Buenos Aires was a great mongering destination and it got shut down. As Sang pointed out, the amount of money some Mexicans have is unreal. How long has California been trying to do high speed rail between SF and LA? Well, the Mexicans are putting the finishing touches on their Mayan Train around Cancun, and it is fucking unreal. Tulum built a brand new airport as well that is super nice. If not for Sang, no one would have even imagined Mexicans with money. Seeking is actually used more in Mexico than the USA.

Bogota has planned better for the sex trade than those other two cities and has not been the eye sore that it was in Cartagena and Medellin. Still as I have learned a lot about the culture and the more educated classes, I can tell you that the way the higher class women are raised much much more differently than I expected. The best schools are religious ones, and I would be shocked if most of the women in them were not virgins.

I thought it would be different as you went up the age scale and so I met one of my gal's family members who is very cute, fashionable, and in her 20's, and I thought for sure she would have had a lot of BFs and dated a lot. Nope. Thing is that most Colombian men are such macho dickheads she does not want that in her life. And you have to admit that part of the problem in Colombia is that many of the most successful men were assholes in the drug trade. After a while, I got why my gal's daughter was attracted to the Asian entertainment. The male-female relations are typically shown in a more wholesome light.

So the guys thinking of holding back the currents of change need a wakeup call. The sex trade is gong to be wiped out in Colombia, and the guys who think that they should hold out for better prices are going to learn just like the men in Argentina did that not only are prices never going down, the availability of women is going to go way down as well.[/QUOTE]Can you expand more on why you think the sex trade will be wiped out in Colombia? Colombian girls will never stop having sex for money, are you saying they will leave Colombia and work in other countries? That's been happening for a long time already. Colombia's population is booming and its economy is shit. I don't see the sex trade going anywhere anytime soon.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2907123]Can you expand more on why you think the sex trade will be wiped out in Colombia? Colombian girls will never stop having sex for money, are you saying they will leave Colombia and work in other countries? That's been happening for a long time already. Colombia's population is booming and its economy is shit. I don't see the sex trade going anywhere anytime soon.[/QUOTE]No its def not my take that the business will die or go away any time soon. It's the prices we pay. No longer looking at a hottie for 120-250 mil pesos in Colombia. Now, they want 'solo dolares'. This one girl today was schooling on how the COP is trash and all girls wants dollars when dealing with gringos. I was like whoa I didn't know you were an economist moonlighting as a call girl lmao.

Federal nightclub, don't think they have a website but here's there Insta [URL]https://www.instagram.com/federalrooftop/?hl=en[/URL].

Facebook [URL]https://www.facebook.com/federalrooftop/[/URL].

[URL]https://federal-rooftop-1.cluvi.co/federal-rooftop/menu-digital/home[/URL]

Its near Andino mall, around the corner, yes very touristy and surprisingly not a total ripoff.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2907075]This is what happens when you have guys like MB1, Sang, and Madd who spend that kind of money just to flaunt their wealth.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of guys who pay that much are weekend warriors, newbies, first timers in Colombia, who are not on ISG and have very limited, if any, information about going rates and the scene in general. Just go to Gusto, or La Isla, or walk around Parque Lleras and you will see crowds of these mfs.

Me, Sang, and some other guys have been in the game for quite sometime and know the scene well. We know the going rates at different venues and pay accordingly. I don't overpay, I try to pay market rate. BTW, never I paid even close to 1 million pesos in Colombia. The most I ever paid was 600 k. I don't like pros and there is a set of rules that I follow to avoid them. If they quote USD, if they quote by the hour, if they call me amor / bb and all other crap in the first message, if they look ghetto, of they quote me a number right away in the very first or second message. It is an automatic pass and a huge turnoff. It is me who decides how much to offer, I take the lead. And any semi pro would expect a guy to make a first move.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2907193]The vast majority of guys who pay that much are weekend warriors, newbies, first timers in Colombia, who are not on ISG and have very limited, if any, information about going rates and the scene in general. Just go to Gusto, or La Isla, or walk around Parque Lleras and you will see crowds of these mfs.

Me, Sang, and some other guys have been in the game for quite sometime and know the scene well. We know the going rates at different venues and pay accordingly. I don't overpay, I try to pay market rate. BTW, never I paid even close to 1 million pesos in Colombia. The most I ever paid was 600 k. I don't like pros and there is a set of rules that I follow to avoid them. If they quote USD, if they quote by the hour, if they call me amor / bb and all other crap in the first message, if they look ghetto, of they quote me a number right away in the very first or second message. It is an automatic pass and a huge turnoff. It is me who decides how much to offer, I take the lead. And any semi pro would expect a guy to make a first move.[/QUOTE]Fair enough bro, I can respect that.

I always go for the gutter bi*ches in botero and santa fe 40 k to 50 k then offer them 80-100 k to BBFS them quick dump and run the on to the next LOL.

To each his own tho a cada quien su propio gusto.

My bad for lumping you guys all into the "overpay" group when that isn't always the case.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2907075]This is what happens when you have guys like MB1, Sang, and Madd who spend that kind of money just to flaunt their wealth.[/QUOTE]Me and you do not monger or play in the same areas. I never flaunt nothing. I dress appropriately for the place I'm going.

You go to centro and Sante Fe for street girls I do not.

I prefer a club a bottle and vetting the girls before I decide if she's worth her asking.

Ones steak will not effect the price of a Big Mac. So I don't ever effect your mongering experience which is why I don't understand why you ever feel the need to speak about anyone without the actual experience.

I have been to centro and Sante Fe. It's not my cup of tea but I only say what I say based on my experiences. You just want to hate. So please don't talk about anything you have 0 clue about. Seriously.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2907193]The vast majority of guys who pay that much are weekend warriors, newbies, first timers in Colombia, who are not on ISG and have very limited, if any, information about going rates and the scene in general. Just go to Gusto, or La Isla, or walk around Parque Lleras and you will see crowds of these mfs.

Me, Sang, and some other guys have been in the game for quite sometime and know the scene well. We know the going rates at different venues and pay accordingly. I don't overpay, I try to pay market rate. [/QUOTE]And how did you find out what these "going rates" and "market rates" are? Why can't the "going rate" or "market rate" be considered what people who pay less than you are paying or what the people who pay more than you are paying?

On sex work dying in Colombia: not a chance, not in our lifetimes unless we achieve AGI and there's no need for human input anymore. That's a real possibility but if anything people might just have more sex and not less all over the world.

On prices: you pay what you want. If they start quoting in dollars just leave it. Anytime you get a domicilio it's always going to be more than going to a casa or their private apt. I've had girls on Tinder come over for as little as 160 mil as recently as November in Cartagena. The other I paid 200 and one did not even want to be paid (that was a first for me). 2/3 were Vennies but still. I prefer to wine and dine a little anyway so that's why I use Tinder. However it does seem harder to get quality matches than during the pandemic. Times are just as tough but in different ways. Food prices have skyrocketed but wages have stayed the same. Housing seems to have went up a lot in certain areas as well.

Realistically all I need is 20 min so paying for an hour doesn't even make sense to me. I'm not a dos relaciones type of guy, I'm done after one. So the casas make more sense for me but I also would prefer to be alone in a hotel.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2907123]Can you expand more on why you think the sex trade will be wiped out in Colombia? Colombian girls will never stop having sex for money, are you saying they will leave Colombia and work in other countries? That's been happening for a long time already. Colombia's population is booming and its economy is shit. I don't see the sex trade going anywhere anytime soon.[/QUOTE]Besides there is a narco culture in which people from lower classes want to make money quick and easy. Inspired by influencers girls want to travel and see the world but they have no means to do that, so they start whoring themselves until they find the way to leave the country. Finding a newbie like that is always a pleasure as they are cheap, inexperienced and grateful for whatever extra you can give them. Then you have the young mothers, girls that get pregnant in their teens and wouldn't get an abortion for religious or moral reasons and need the money to support their child or children.

So yes, I agree the sex trade will not stop. It just changes somehow.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2907221]And how did you find out what these "going rates" and "market rates" are? Why can't the "going rate" or "market rate" be considered what people who pay less than you are paying or what the people who pay more than you are paying?[/QUOTE]I don't live in isolation. I talk to other guys and compare notes. Or contact a sufficient number of girls, see what number we can agree on and get an average going rate. And sometimes the rates are posted on a wall at some venues, no need to figure out anything. Do you have any other methods? I'm sure you have a crystal ball, because you always know it all.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2907322]I don't live in isolation. I talk to other guys and compare notes. Or contact a sufficient number of girls, see what number we can agree on and get an average going rate. And sometimes the rates are posted on a wall at some venues, no need to figure out anything. Do you have any other methods? I'm sure you have a crystal ball, because you always know it all.[/QUOTE]No. Because I have never professed to paying or there being any going rate. I have always paid what I negotiated. I have friends that give the same chicks 2 and 3 times as much as I do. So is it me that is paying a going rate and them paying too much? Or is it them paying a going rate and me getting a discount?

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2907123]Can you expand more on why you think the sex trade will be wiped out in Colombia?[/QUOTE]The powers that be do not want it. I saw the same thing go down in the USA, Mexican border towns, and Argentina. Wiped out means greatly reduced not totally eliminated.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2907123]Colombian girls will never stop having sex for money[/QUOTE]Neither will Mexican women but when you go to places in Mexico with a lot of tourists like the Cancun region, you are seeing USA prices.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2907123]Colombia's population is booming[/QUOTE]Nah, number of 20 year olds is lower than number of 10 year olds. [URL]https://www.populationpyramid.net/colombia/2021/[/URL].

Average age in Colombia is actually higher than Mexico. Colombia had a huge influx of Venezuelans that has slowed.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2907123]and its economy is shit.[/QUOTE]I see Colombia following a similar growth pattern as Mexico.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2907123]I don't see the sex trade going anywhere anytime soon.[/QUOTE]Well, the best clubs in Buenos Aires, Black's and Madaho's, are long gone. In the border town of Reynosa Mexico, as late as 2019, you could get a La Isla quality girl in the club Lipstick's for $125 and Santa Fe types for $20. That is gone now too.

Basically, what I see in Colombia is what I see in Mexico and Argentina. A lot of people are ashamed of the sex trade and want it gone. I never saw that in Brazil and the sex trade there has remained the same.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2907344]No. Because I have never professed to paying or there being any going rate. I have always paid what I negotiated. I have friends that give the same chicks 2 and 3 times as much as I do. So is it me that is paying a going rate and them paying too much? Or is it them paying a going rate and me getting a discount?[/QUOTE]There is no clear answer to that, because there multiple factors at play. If they are weekend warriors and have no clue what they are doing, they might be overpaying. At the same time, they could be paying market rate if they met these chicks, let's say, at Gustos and if whatever rate they agreed on is indeed a going rate at the venue. The rate you are paying is lower not necessarily because you have better negotiating skills, but because you either met them at a different place where rates are cheaper (street, casa, etc), or your rate is grandfathered in.

If you buy a bottle of water for $1 at a grocery store, and I buy the same exact bottle of water for $4 at the airport, neither of us overpay or underpay. If I get to the store, I will get the same price of $1. If you get to the airport, you will have to shell out 4 bucks.

Not to beat a dead horse but.

Contacted a girl who I first met through an agency in Bogota. She has since become independent.

I met her last in Dec 2022 when she was charging 280 k an hour.

Now, she wants 600 k an hour plus extras.

Now, she was always worth more than 280 k as she has the best DFK in Bogota.

But this doubling of rates is too much. Add to that the weak dollar in Colombia. I'm getting 3. 7 k for a dollar.

I'll be here a month more but I think this is my last trip for a while.

The answer is "it depends", check your PMs.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2903981]I am curious. Street walkers are usually described as less attractive or desireable / older, hence the price difference. But I watched some videos recently of Santa Fe but also of el centro Medellin and some of those girls are smoking hot and. Look quite young as well.

Am I missing something here? I mean yes a girl from an high end place will dress better and put on higher quality makeup but seems to me there are plenty attractive and young!! 18-23 year old girls on the streets as well.

How much does a prettier street walker go for these days for 1 h bareback?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;2907399]Not to beat a dead horse but.

Contacted a girl who I first met through an agency in Bogota. She has since become independent.

I met her last in Dec 2022 when she was charging 280 k an hour.

Now, she wants 600 k an hour plus extras.

Now, she was always worth more than 280 k as she has the best DFK in Bogota.

But this doubling of rates is too much. Add to that the weak dollar in Colombia. I'm getting 3. 7 k for a dollar.

I'll be here a month more but I think this is my last trip for a while.[/QUOTE]Where else are you going to go? Again, I think you are frustrated with the price and do not get a bargain you are getting. Go the website geisha academy and look at the prices all over the world. Colombia is the cheapest and it is a short flight away from the USA, and lodging is relatively cheap. Prices are up everywhere and will be until there is a recession.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2903981]I am curious. Street walkers are usually described as less attractive or desireable / older, hence the price difference. But I watched some videos recently of Santa Fe but also of el centro Medellin and some of those girls are smoking hot and. Look quite young as well.

Am I missing something here? I mean yes a girl from an high end place will dress better and put on higher quality makeup but seems to me there are plenty attractive and young!! 18-23 year old girls on the streets as well.[/QUOTE]Yes, the notion that there is more to a woman than what is between her legs. Can you imagine a beautiful woman not in a hurry to leave once she gets her $$ and actually likes hanging out with you, and you enjoy her company as much as her pussy?

You listen to a guy like Igor and anyone who would ever think such a thing is a complete sucker. Let us say he is right 4 out of 5 times. The first four times you think that she may like you and you get burned he is gong to say "I told you so" and laugh his ass off. But what about the 5th time? From what I have seen, if you meet the 5th girl and she is a jewel, guys like him (not sure if he is one of them) will not believe it and accuse you of lying.

I personally think Bogota is the best city in the world to find a hot GF. That is where I met mine, and the women there, while not as pretty as Medellin, had much more solid characters.

As for what you are missing, you are missing a woman wanting to suck you dick because she wants to give you pleasure versus to make a buck. This is a huge point of contention between guys looking to be sugar daddies and those seeing hookers. All the guys using [URL]seeking.com[/URL] will tell you sugar baby sex is better than hooker sex and all the guys who do not have sugar daddies will say you cannot say that.

So you are missing that but feel free to believe you are not missing anything. That is what most guys here do. Saying all women are just out for a buck is a lot easier than considering that one in five or so who might like you.

I've had good luck with Locanto providers in the many places I've gone. Not with this one though:

[URL]https://www.locanto.com.co/bogota/ID_6709898955/Masajes-relajantes-antiestres.html[/URL]

Very short girl, younger than the photo, beautiful. Arrived at the hotel in legit massage scrubs, like so many others have. She watched me walk around my room naked as we prepared the area. It was clear very early in the service that nothing would happen and man was I disappointed. Paid her and sent her out early.

That put me in a bit of a bind with time so then I tried this one who had also responded to a text earlier in the day.

[URL]https://www.locanto.com.co/bogota/ID_6672258434/Masajes-Relajantes-a-Domicilio.html[/URL]

The photos make her look way better than she is. Her teeth are really bad and she had a very strong odor of cigarette smoke. Yuk.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2907648]Yes, the notion that there is more to a woman than what is between her legs. Can you imagine a beautiful woman not in a hurry to leave once she gets her $$ and actually likes hanging out with you, and you enjoy her company as much as her pussy?[/QUOTE]I am paying a hooker for what is in between their legs. I am not concerned that the dentist I went to yesterday likes botany during his free time. I am not concerned that my motorcycle mechanic likes NASCAR. I have friends who are not hookers, dentists, and motorcycle mechanics to hang out with me and whose company I enjoy. I am not paying her to be a friend; I am paying her to fuck.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2907648]As for what you are missing, you are missing a woman wanting to suck you dick because she wants to give you pleasure versus to make a buck. This is a huge point of contention between guys looking to be sugar daddies and those seeing hookers. All the guys using [URL]seeking.com[/URL] will tell you sugar baby sex is better than hooker sex and all the guys who do not have sugar daddies will say you cannot say that.[/QUOTE]So you are finally admitting that your so-called "girlfriend" is indeed a sugar baby and not a girlfriend at all. If not, then you must be admitting that you are not getting the best sex because she is not a sugar baby.

My AirBnb host says I have to tell the visitor name and ID before which visits.

So my plan A is just ask the SA girls to go with it and if she is willing and tell the host the info.

Plan be is to find a hourly hotel that is near me.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/LjvqxTgnPGYrDvEj6

Cra. 5 #32-39, Santa Fé, Bogotá, Colombia

Lesson learnt:

I need to read all the rules carefully.

And only choose those I can get a full refund the last minute.

If I can get a full refund, I would have canceled this host.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2907773]I am not paying her to be a friend; I am paying her to fuck.[/QUOTE]Really? I thought you were paying them just so you could say you get better for less than everyone else, Mr. Know it all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2907773]So you are finally admitting that your so-called "girlfriend" is indeed a sugar baby and not a girlfriend at all. If not, then you must be admitting that you are not getting the best sex because she is not a sugar baby.[/QUOTE]I did not mention my gal at all in that post. You are just a jealous POS troll for bringing her up.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2907818]My AirBnb host says I have to tell the visitor name and ID before which visits.

So my plan A is just ask the SA girls to go with it and if she is willing and tell the host the info.

Plan be is to find a hourly hotel that is near me.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/LjvqxTgnPGYrDvEj6

Cra. 5 #32-39, Santa F, Bogot, Colombia

Lesson learnt:

I need to read all the rules carefully.[/QUOTE]I am not sure how much you are paying but most of the hotels I stayed in were guest friendly. If you are using seeking, I think you need to do a meet and greet. I would do those in the hotel restaurant / bar. You can use seeking as something escort like, but I would focus on the sugar baby experience. Sex and looks wise, escorts are a better deal. Thing is you find a gem off seeking who is good in bed and hot and someone you like to hang out with and you repeat with them.

My trip is 10 days away. Heard they are rationing water.

Like once every 10 days they're turning off the water in certain areas for 24 hours.

Anyone there now can update the situation and when it might be over.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2908309]My trip is 10 days away. Heard they are rationing water.

Like once every 10 days they're turning off the water in certain areas for 24 hours.

Anyone there now can update the situation and when it might be over.[/QUOTE][URL]https://bogota.gov.co/mi-ciudad/habitat/racionamiento-de-agua-bogota-zonas-y-horarios-restriccion-abril-2024[/URL]

You can consult with the map here: [URL]https://bogota.gov.co/[/URL].

Another Quantum of Solace plot.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2908309]My trip is 10 days away. Heard they are rationing water.

Like once every 10 days they're turning off the water in certain areas for 24 hours.

Anyone there now can update the situation and when it might be over.[/QUOTE]I live in a building with tanks and we never ran out during the 24 hrs-- Most hotels have tanks I'm pretty sure-- and it's a checker board for the rationing.

The hotels in the areas will probably warn you-.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2908309]My trip is 10 days away. Heard they are rationing water.

Like once every 10 days they're turning off the water in certain areas for 24 hours.

Anyone there now can update the situation and when it might be over.[/QUOTE]Each section of the city is getting it shut off 1 day at a time for 24 hours 8 am to 8 am. It seems like your turn will be every 10 days or so as long as they do it. You can follow the info on the Bogota website and type in your address to see which day [URL]https://bogota.gov.co/[/URL].

If your building does not have water tanks, then you will not have water. If your building does. Then you will either have water the whole time, or your building might delay switching the water tanks on until later in the day. Or it will run out depending on your building.

Not sure the wisdom of this BS instituted by Petro probably the only President worst than Joe Pa. Just came back from my 3rd trip to Colombia since January and the people are pissed. The ones being hurt the most are the people NOT living in hotels with tanks. The majority live in the poorer sections and are scrambling for whatever buckets are still available. With all the rainfall that happens in Bogota not sure how there can be a shortage unless all the public officials in past did nothing to improve the reservoir system to be able to retain more potable water. These type of measures don't work anyway, all it does is force people to fill up buckets of water for days before their day of shut off, causing water use to increase the days prior. I have spoken to taxi guys, our neighbors and working people in general and everyone to the person that I spoke too want Petro gone already, say he will NEVER stay in office for 6 years, some are already talking of his assassination. Colombia is beginning to remind me more and more of Venezuela.

My take on the women in Bogota. I wrote about the trend of women asking for crazy amounts of money. Three years ago I wrote about girls I have been friendly with for years suddenly asking for crazy money. At the time I thought it might be some Medellin guys venturing over to Bogota and paying gringo prices but its more wide spread now than every. I don't get to play as often as I did in the past but when I do, I'm shocked that they would ask for these amounts. I can't speak of the Santa Fe prices because I haven't played there in years. But the models, Dentists, physiologists, flight attendants, single mommies, etc. That I have known for years are all asking for more and more help. Maybe it's the Bidennomics and inflation leaking down to the Colombian women's mindset because they are not asking for a little extra help they are going from 200,000 to 600,000 and higher with the Pesos sinking lower and lower recently it's a double whammy. Now all the geniuses, who know it all in their 2 years of experience with their 2 trips a year can chime in. BTW I'm not saying all my playmates from years back are asking for substantially more but an ever increasing number of them are.

[QUOTE=MongerFriend;2907399]Not to beat a dead horse but.
I met her last in Dec 2022 when she was charging 280 k an hour.

Now, she wants 600 k an hour plus extras.

I'll be here a month more but I think this is my last trip for a while.[/QUOTE]This seems the new normal. A lot of these girls are watching other girls in CTG / Medellin's Instagram stories and see they getting $ and figured why not them. These price surges are only for gringos. You can avoid them alrogether by going prepagos and avoid shitty tinder girls. Yup, prepagos is what it is but some gems to be found.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2908569]Not sure the wisdom of this BS instituted by Petro probably the only President worst than Joe Pa. Just came back from my 3rd trip to Colombia since January and the people are pissed. The ones being hurt the most are the people NOT living in hotels with tanks. The majority live in the poorer sections and are scrambling for whatever buckets are still available. With all the rainfall that happens in Bogota not sure how there can be a shortage unless all the public officials in past did nothing to improve the reservoir system to be able to retain more potable water. These type of measures don't work anyway, all it does is force people to fill up buckets of water for days before their day of shut off, causing water use to increase the days prior. I have spoken to taxi guys, our neighbors and working people in general and everyone to the person that I spoke too want Petro gone already, say he will NEVER stay in office for 6 years, some are already talking of his assassination. Colombia is beginning to remind me more and more of Venezuela.

My take on the women in Bogota. I wrote about the trend of women asking for crazy amounts of money. Three years ago I wrote about girls I have been friendly with for years suddenly asking for crazy money. At the time I thought it might be some Medellin guys venturing over to Bogota and paying gringo prices but its more wide spread now than every. I don't get to play as often as I did in the past but when I do, I'm shocked that they would ask for these amounts. I can't speak of the Santa Fe prices because I haven't played there in years. But the models, Dentists, physiologists, flight attendants, single mommies, etc. That I have known for years are all asking for more and more help. Maybe it's the Bidennomics and inflation leaking down to the Colombian women's mindset because they are not asking for a little extra help they are going from 200,000 to 600,000 and higher with the Pesos sinking lower and lower recently it's a double whammy. Now all the geniuses, who know it all in their 2 years of experience with their 2 trips a year can chime in. BTW I'm not saying all my playmates from years back are asking for substantially more but an ever increasing number of them are.[/QUOTE]My first trip to Bogota 7 years ago and my last trip in September. Huge difference. Girls told me a lot of Mexicans come in. One from lidos and another from a massage casa. Also Mexicans are big on using seeking as well.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2907818]My AirBnb host says I have to tell the visitor name and ID before which visits.

Lesson learnt:

I need to read all the rules carefully.
If I can get a full refund, I would have canceled this host.[/QUOTE]I had the exact same requirements at my airbnb (Urban bldg behind Exito, San Martin mall). The host explained it was a "recent rule" implemented to "protect visitors" to the country. Apparently, this is due to foreigners getting killed in airbnbs, not hotels where they have this requirement in place. I, obviously, can't comment on the legality or truthfulness but the girl I was with seemed to agree / she understood and provided her ID to me to send to the host. Another girl from shitty Tinder absolutely refused. She would only agree to security writing down her info, no copies or photos. Don't know. She seemed so adamant, even arguing its illegal blah blah blah. Actually made me feel a little uncomfortable. Needless to say, she wasnt allowed to go in and I uber'd her back home (funny, she would give street intersections for uber to drop her off, not an actual address. Interesting!