Jakarta

Interesting report.

I am Indian, and don't smell now. By that I mean, I used to smell before coming to US.

Clearly, I did not know that I smell different. In Uni, I was sharing room with a guy from eastern europe. I realized how I smell that time.

The reason is clear, our homes in India are small. We cook everyday at home with lot of spices. That smells lingers on our clothes, body, hairs forever. Lack of abundant water / electricity prevent taking frequent showers. We mostly have only one bathroom in home.

Things are changing now in India, but still more than 60% population is in similar situation. SO most of the Indian men smell different.

Nothing can be done about that, until the cooking in home is there.

I usually get the same response from girls before meeting that Indian men smell. Heard it in Thailand, Vietnam, Jakarta and in US / Canada. I tell girls if they are not comfortable when we meet, they can just take some money and leave. This never happened with me yet, no girl left because of smell.

Heading to Jakarta again in 2 weeks, and can't wait to enjoy all the popular spots.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068032]
The other common reason the girls are crying is because they rejected an Indian man and the mamasan got mad at them. Don't get full of yourself yet, it's not because of your dick size, but the reputation of Indian men is that they smell according to Classics girl "A". I don't actually understand this, as I have friends that are Indian American (tech bros) and even had an Indian American girlfriend once and none of them smell or smelled. ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3068051]Its not for me to tell you how to spend your own money but seriously? 10 M IDR for a Classic girl who fucks all night long for IDR 500 K a pop? And CFS with a 6 face and a 7 service level by your own definition? For 10 M you can get a IG model with 10+ service who doesn't normally fuck 6 guys a night bareback you in all holes![/QUOTE]I can't say I played a good hand or did a decent job negotiating. It was my first time in Jakarta (as well as mongering in SEA) and with limited vacation time, I historically have always overpaid in the hobby. I apologize for the effect this may have on those able to spend months or years hobbying at a time and have a better understanding of the lay of the land, but Jakarta is a long fucking way from America.

After RTFF, I went to Indonesia planning to pay 2.4 million to 3.4 million IDR LT, but things changed with boots on the ground. A month on SA caused me to raise what I was willing to pay, as I only found 15 out of 70 girls willing to take less than 3. 5 million IDR (one literally asked for $1000 USD PPM). Almost all of them used augment reality filters and even then looked like ladyboys, sickly, or just plain fugly, making me question attempting SEA at all. After my first SA date bailed on me last minute, I had to incentivize and make sure my girls would show up and further raised my donation amounts.

I listed a lot of prices I paid to try and help the lurkers on ISG, and willingly admitted mistakes in my original posts, such as how I overpaid and what I thought I could get (a week for $900 instead of $1400), and hope it helps others negotiate more value for their money. At the specific moment when "A" was ready to go the Apotek with me, I also only had birth control in mind and totally forgot about the possibility of using Plan be as a option to get BBFS. If a member with boots on the ground picks up some Plan be at an Apotek, I hope he will be kind enough to include the price in the future.

Life would be brilliant if every encounter was a 10 service with a 10 face and 10 body for a reasonable price, and I'm legitimately interested in how you are able to achieve such a reality. I'm relatively inexperienced in the hobby, and would love to know where you senior members find this perfect service, because it's the unicorn I'm seeking. Where might I find these IG models that are ready to go? If I believed in social media and those stupid augmented reality filters, every girl I found on Seeking (as well as "A" from Classics when viewing her online presence) would be a 10 face and 10 body, but reality is often times different, hence the need for verification steps and why I settle for hot enough and good enough. As a senior member, I'd love your gameplan on search and negotiations to get more value for my money. In my limited experience, I have found looks are often inversely proportional to attitude and service.

My scoring is also relative, sex with "A" was amazing, she lost points for her below average or non existent BJ and declining sex several times, problems I did not have with SB "J". Like Harvard, I'm trying to rein in my grade inflation, trying to reserve 10's for exceptionalism, whether that be face, body or service.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068278]Thanks for the report, how much is the fine exactly? I assume it is a set amount per day missed?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just read your next post and got the answers. Thanks for the detailed and concise information.

I can't recall exactly, but the girl from classic T5 who spent the day with me said she had around 7 -10 days off from a month. (can't remember exactly) But if she spent any more days off she would have to pay a fee.

Another girl from T2 said she was managed differently, she was completely new and couldn't take any days off. I only assuming but I guessing each group has a different system and its up to their mamas to decide.

One thing I do know is that within a group managed by their individual mamas, these girls would try to sync their working days and non working days as they would feel lonely without their friends, keep in mind that some of these girls only keep to their own group and don't try to associate much with other girls from other mamasans.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the additional info. It makes more sense that the girls are managed by different agencies that contract with Classics and are overseen by different mamasans. That would mean that what I learned and wrote about only applies to "A's" agency and cannot be extrapolated across all the girls at Classics. She referred to the girls in her group as her friends and I assumed it was a specific clique, but may just be the girls of her agency that she spends time with. This would help keep the girls on different cycles to ensure action is always available at Classics if the groups happen to live together.

According to "A", most girls with her agency are suppose to start their shift between 2 PM and 4 PM, and end 12 hours later. Make up and hair literally takes several hours depending on the girl, before they hit the floor.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;3066319]Well, all the negative talks about Travel being condom BJ and my streak of not witnessing it has finally caught up.

After my long long flight and slept deprivation, I decided to hit up Travel. Because I'm staying close by.

My no condom BJ streak, of 2 or 3, got slapped to the wind.

Not only that, this was the first girl that asked for a tip and gave sad face when I gave a 50 k; she asked for another.

Said nope and we walk out of the room. Still had fun with her.

Just came back from T2 and much better there. I'll post when I'm not using my phone.[/QUOTE]Do you realize how much you actually tipped her?

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068032]and maybe an actual session or two with the jungle (au naturel pubs, another part of their reputation both at Classics and Scandallo in Brazil)...[/QUOTE]Are you saying Chinese men prefer pubic hair versus shaved?

I believe this is true because 1) most Chinese girls don't shave and 2) Chinese girls have told me that Chinese men don't like shaved pussies because it makes the girl look like a child.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3068348]OP sounds like a good hearted fellow. Good for him and good for the girl, who I suspect appreciated it a lot more than those seeking hos.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've been to Jakarta several times. I don't like to take advantage of girls because the USD is strong.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3068596]Are you saying Chinese men prefer pubic hair versus shaved?[/QUOTE]Women without pubic hair (natural or shaved) in China are called "white tigers", which is considered unlucky for their mates. This is why you see so few women in China or Vietnam (same culture) with purposefully shaved pussies, unless they are specifically serving gweilo who will take any pussy (lucky or unlucky) that comes around. AR.

[URL]https://kenlai.wordpress.com/tag/white-tiger-woman/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3068597]I agree. I've been to Jakarta several times. I don't like to take advantage of girls because the USD is strong.[/QUOTE]As if it weren't bad enough when IDR is ranked the 5th /6th weakest currency in the world right now. I mean even if there was a slight inflation to the prices, you would get that back within the exchange rate.

Most of the time I would treat these girls out to a meal of their decision, whether it be Korean BBQ / Sushi / Hotpot. Most of these girls have never tried such cuisines and are either eating the daily fastfood delivery chains or dogfood, (Come on Guys, don't be limited to Joni's steak house, theres a lot more variation out there).

[QUOTE=GCNovice;3066319]My no condom BJ streak, of 2 or 3, got slapped to the wind.

Not only that, this was the first girl that asked for a tip and gave sad face when I gave a 50 k; she asked for another.

Said nope and we walk out of the room. Still had fun with her.[/QUOTE]Nope was the correct answer. IMHO she should consider herself fortunate to have gotten any tip for serving up a condom blow job. If you didn't do any kissing, technically you never got to touch the girl sexually with that CBJ and CFS. There seem to be those that imply that you should be giving more (how much exactly they never say) for such crap service. As we see in several recent reports, it is no wonder why girls are now charging increasingly exorbitant amounts for other add-on services across these venues. Your money. Your call. AR.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068539]Thank you for the additional info. It makes more sense that the girls are managed by different agencies that contract with Classics and are overseen by different mamasans. That would mean that what I learned and wrote about only applies to "A's" agency and cannot be extrapolated across all the girls at Classics. She referred to the girls in her group as her friends and I assumed it was a specific clique, but may just be the girls of her agency that she spends time with. This would help keep the girls on different cycles to ensure action is always available at Classics if the groups happen to live together.

According to "A", most girls with her agency are suppose to start their shift between 2 PM and 4 PM, and end 12 hours later. Make up and hair literally takes several hours depending on the girl, before they hit the floor.[/QUOTE]If you notice at the ground floor or classic, just before you get to the elevators there should be a salon on to the right, some of these girls get their makeup and hair done in that store.

There was one girl who told me she had only just started and was working 24/7, I actually wanted to take her out for the full day privately including the night for the full 24 hours but she said she couldn't no matter how much I asked. She actually really wanted to come with me but pleaded me to go through the booking system via her Mama instead. She said she couldn't leave the boarding house at daytime and that she could only accompany me at night.

I never did went through with it and I never thought much about it, but thinking back I realize that the Girl was probably in a probation period or something like that? I'm guessing because she was relatively new and was under strict supervision so any small thing that would demerit her could lead to her to being fined or worse; kicked out of the dorms and sent back to her province.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068625]If you notice at the ground floor or classic, just before you get to the elevators there should be a salon on to the right, some of these girls get their makeup and hair done in that store.

There was one girl who told me she had only just started and was working 24/7, I actually wanted to take her out for the full day privately including the night for the full 24 hours but she said she couldn't no matter how much I asked. She actually really wanted to come with me but pleaded me to go through the booking system via her Mama instead. She said she couldn't leave the boarding house at daytime and that she could only accompany me at night.

I never did went through with it and I never thought much about it, but thinking back I realize that the Girl was probably in a probation period or something like that? I'm guessing because she was relatively new and was under strict supervision so any small thing that would demerit her could lead to her to being fined or worse; kicked out of the dorms and sent back to her province.[/QUOTE]When I stayed at Classic Hotel a few months ago, I could see girls arriving on moto taxis in the early afternoon. It was actually kind of funny watching beautiful girl after beautiful girl pull up on a moto taxi. So they're not all trapped in some dorm.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068536] If a member with boots on the ground picks up some Plan be at an Apotek, I hope he will be kind enough to include the price in the future.
.[/QUOTE]Here you go brother, I managed to actually find the receipt haha. It's crumpled up though but it should still be legible, 44,200 IDR for 2 tablets, not sure If there's any price increase / inflation from November.

I never did look up the instructions as I think they might have been in Indonesian, searching up now there seems to be different guidelines on dosage, either take both at same time or take one immediately and the second 12 hours later.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068616]Most of the time I would treat these girls out to a meal of their decision, whether it be Korean BBQ / Sushi / Hotpot. Most of these girls have never tried such cuisines and are either eating the daily fastfood delivery chains or dogfood, (Come on Guys, don't be limited to Joni's steak house, theres a lot more variation out there).[/QUOTE]I certainly hope so since I didn't really like Joni's steak house. When in Indonesia I would much rather have local cuisine. Even the breakfast at Classic hotel was way better than Joni's. Next trip I'm staying at Heef hotel and hope I can find way better dinner options than just steak at Joni's.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3068592]Do you realize how much you actually tipped her?[/QUOTE]50 k too much?

No tip for covered BJ IMO. I wouldn't want that even if it was free myself, though honestly no disrespect to those who prefer it for their own reasons.

There's always someone to come and make the conversion to USD for all of us.

That's cute, thanks, now we all know 50 K rupiah equals to 2,81 USD, something that we couldn't do by ourselves obviously.

But is it useful to take a grasp of the reality of living as a local in a country that does not use the USD as a currency?

Maybe people should start thinking by using exclusively the local currency at the moment you put a foot in that country to understand what is a fair tip and what is not?

What do you get in Jakarta as a local with 5 OK rupiah? 2 or 3 meals depending on where the girl is living. Me think that is not that bad.

Then you could think of the reality of the life for these girls, regardless of all the stories they can tell you. You already know, it has been reported by numerous members on this board, that these girls are roughly getting 100 K rupiah net per session, they have been willing to do it, and some of them look like they are even happy to do that job with that salary.

That's already another indication that 100 K rupiah is not the insignificant amount of money that some of them try to make us believe when they point to the bill and say "ini small!

The OP tipped the girl 50 K which is already 50% of of her net rate for the session, that's not bad after all when you think it that way.

I'm not advocating anyone to give small or big tips, but it seems that the OP was clearly frustrated by this event during the session, therefore I would even say he had been nice to the girl by still staying with her until the end of the session, and even giving her a tip at the end.