2006 Bangkok Reports

CM2 was still full of them the last time I was there. A few of them hang out near the street entrance to the joint, but most of them are towards the back past the band stage area. Prices: they generally start off asking for ridiculous amounts; 6-5k baht l/t, but you can generally get them down to 3k. No idea about s/t.

There are quite a few on Soi 3 around where Grace Hotel is. You can often find them walking along the street there earlier in the day, but personally I find them pretty skanky compared with the better CM2 ones (YMMV).

There were a few hanging out in Spasso (Hyatt Erawan) last month; much better-looking but I didn't ask prices.

[QUOTE=Adimondo]A Happy New Mongering Year, gents!

I'd like to get the latest information concerning Russian and East European pick up venues in BKK. Yeah, I did my homework and know about MC2 in Novotel Siam Square and Grace Hotel North Sukhumvit (See my reports from 2 years ago!). Here are my questions:
Can you confirm the mentioned venues?
Are there new spots?
What are the full night rates?
I'm looking forward to check this scene out between the 18th and 21st this month!

Thank you a lot and keep safe![/QUOTE]

There is a selection of them at the Rajak Hotel coffeeshop, just off Soi 4.Nana. Most a bit skanky, but some kwality too. Ya gotta talk to the Thai pimp first, ladies wouldn't talk to me-I was quoted 3000 Baht ST. I passed.

Hope This Helps

The point, as you say, is “not being tied down,” which you do recognize is valuable. Love is wonderful and long term relationships are great, but the price, while often worth it, is always much higher than p4p situations. With p4p it’s just money, but with “regular girls” it’s also feelings, emotions, families, and all the other heavy baggage which inevitably goes with them. Playing the field with several hotie regular girls sure sounds good, but that option is often fraught with peril as well, since if you are honest and sensitive like me, you must be constantly worried about getting caught with the “other woman,” with all the horrible emotions and warfare that entails, not to mention the escalating financial consequences of trying to keep multiple girl friends happy. IMHO, p4p offers the best bang for the buck.

Daddy[/QUOTE]Thanks much to TOH, Mick Licker, Retired Army and others regarding this thread last week on the issue of maintaining a relationship with a TGF vs just mongering. There are certainly many pluses and minues on both sides of this issue and it was certainly refreshing to see that I am not the only one trying to work this out in my head. As for me I do not post much but have now been invloved in a serious relationship with a beautiful middle class TGF for 3 years. We rented a condo for the past two years and now have purchased a 4BR home just outside of BKK. Shes' beautiful and has lost of class and has put together a very beautiful home for the both of us to live in. (I still live in the USA but travel to LOS every 3 months for 3 weeks each trip). Of course there is now talk of her wanting the baby. I'm having doubts about myself. She knows my mongering ways and has actually allowed me out of the house to excercise those demons with certain limitations. But I find myself being less and less happy and have begun to ask myself many questions about this relationship many of which were discussed below last week. I like both worlds and I just cannot see myself ever giving that aspect of LOS up..Tough call but I wanted you guys to know you had hit upon something of real interest to some of us here.

Siddy

If you ever actually live here, it will be a lot different. Although not a guarantee, I bet you'd give up P4P mongering, eventually because you'd realize the girls aren't that nice, the quality isn't there, they're low-class and aren't to your taste, anymore.

As I've said before, most expats worth a damn don't want to be seen with these girls in public, even just going to a short-time hotel. if they monger at all, most play the more discreet Thai market of massage parlors etc.

The exceptions to this are the low-class scum living in Pattaya who never get past the sex-tourist mind-set.

Having the beautiful middle-class GF and the home, you're already well-above that.

This is the result of 8 days of mongering in Bangkok.

1 - Practicalities

1.1 Transport
- I intended to use the Airport Express (150 baths) but I realized that a taxi would cost only 300 baths to go to the center of the city. Do not answer to those proposing a limousine service inside the airport but go outside and queue like any ordinary thai. Fare is 250 + highway toll (65). Best value for money.
- Conversely, I strongly recommend the use of BTS and MRT subway instead of taxis in the city because of the traffic jam. They are easy to understand (english available), safe, quick, air conditionned, never over-crowded and very cheap. Buy a monthly card with 20 trips or a 3-days unlimited card. Almost all the parlours and bars can be reached with BTS and MRT. Some taxi will try to overcharge you if you want a drop off at a massage parlour.

1.2 Accommodation
Go-go bars are located in three areas: Patpong, Nana Plazza (Soi 3) and Soi Cowboy (Soi 23). My advice is to choose an hotel in the Sukhumvit road area beetween Soi 3 and 23, so that you will be at a walking distance (10 minutes) from these two last hotspots. I chose the Grand Business Inn which is reasonably cheap (1600 baths), girlfriendly (they just ask the guest ID which is safe for you) and close to Nana BTS station. Free internet wireless access in the lobby. It is also at a walking distance from one soapie : Plazza Entertainment. Sometimes too much noisy because of the inn and out of mongerers and in the morning because of nearby repairs. Maybe there are some other hotels in this area that could be a little bit better in this regard.

2 - General considerations

2.1 Where to go
Basically, you have two main ways to get FS in BKK : massage parlours (soapies) and go-go bars.
- Soapies open and close earlier than bars. You choose a girl behind a window (usually refered as "fishbowl") or on a catalogue. You get a 2 hours session with shower, different sort of massage, FS or other special service. Close at midnight, so last bird should turn up at 10pm. Cost vary from 2,500 to 5,000 baths.
- Bars are open up to 2am. You can choose a girl for a short or long term session (the whole night in your place), but half do only ST. LT cost is from 3,000 to 4,000 + barfine 500 baths, unless you bargain which I never do.
- Free lancers and high-class escort in nightclubs are said to be widely available, but I have not explored this possibility nor the escorts agencies to be found in many touristical leaflets distributed at my hotel. There were no many reasons to do that because of the variety of choice that the above have to offer.
- My advice : if you are in BKK for a couple of days or less, visit the soapies. You will have a larger selection and enjoy a massage that you will never get elswhere. Bars require a more elaborated strategy (see hereafter). If you stay 3 days or more, organize your day as follows:
- morning : visit of the main touristical sites which close at 3pm. Once you have found a gem, take her on tour on one of these boats on the river.
- afternoon : soapies from 4pm onward. Recharge.
- night : gogo bars for LT session and early morning shot.

2.2 What strategy in gogo bars?
Thai girls are definitly pretty, because they are slim and look younger than their age. Although this is not the majority, there are some with larger breasts than I could immagine, whether natural or enhanced. But that is not the most important : what's crazy with them is that they offer a genuine GFE service. Unbelievable. Even DFK which is not supposed to be in thai habits is now a must for most of them.
Even though the majority will not fancy you, there is such a number of choice that you should find a pretty to stunning girl every night. However, this can be achieved if you come either early to the bars or get to know more about who's working where and do ST or LT.
Each time you enter in a bar, you want to order a drink (120 baths) otherwise you'll be arrassed all the time and you want to have time to consider all options. One day, I spent like 500 baths in "ladies drinks" but the investment was worth the try because I got a real cutie with the assistance of a "second bar lady". I was surprised to see that really good looking girl (8 or above) were still available at 2am, even though my target is the slim waist-large breast type, but there were still many guys around and I said to myself: but what do not they just pick them when it's closing time?

3. - Soapies
You have to look at Giotto's review in the massage section and the following link : [url]www.nightlife.thaigirlbride-thaiwomanwife.com[/url] to know how to find them easilly:

- Plazza Entertainment: Cupidy is more expensive than Delila upstairs but I got an excellent service in the first case : my masseuse was classy and looked really younger than her 34 years old, we had an interesting discussion about prostitutes, she was very open-minded and honest. In particular she warned me not to fall in love and send some money to any fiancee.
- Poseidon: impecable hygiene and professional service. VIP models are available from 6pm.
- Angel: Photo models are fair, price cheap and good selection of girl. Probably very good value for money but I did not have time to explore more than once, and my choice was not the best one. Was busy at 6pm so the choice limited.

4 - Go-go bars
Usefull link : [url]www.bangkokbargirls.info[/url]
- Nana Plazza : Focus on Rainbow 1, 2 and 4 bars, possibly Pretty Ladies and Angel witch. You will see 50% of the offer in these 4 bars and they are all ladyboys free.
- Soi Coboy : Topless dance is available here, unlike Nana Plazza. Rawhide and Long Gun offer genuine professional performances on stage which distracted me from my main purpose. But worth the visit for those not familiar with sex games! Dolhouse, Baccara and Shark are more traditionnal but offer the best selection.

5 - Last say
One of the reason why this report is not comprehensive is that I have fallen in love with a thai I have known through internet, so not a bar girl, and ... and she is more horny than any of my previous GF! We had great sex the last 3 days so things have been quite quickly. She is not in love with me but she said she wanted to know everything about me before I leave, even sexually. I habe been scrutinized by her during these 8 days. I am now working hard to invite her to my place so that I hope my feeling would eventually be reciprocal.

[QUOTE=Roady1]I know this isn’t the most popular of topics to discuss but I would be very interested in getting some feed back on it from the locals, ex-pats, BKK regulars and first timers. Has anyone picked up any nasty STDs or bugs while mongering in Bangkok. If, so what did you get a how did you get it. (ie were you wearing a condom at all times and still picked something up). What is the most common STD that I am likely to encounter? Are the women in certain areas more likely to carry STDs?

I know there are certain inherent dangers to this hobby but I’m trying to minimize them as much as possible. Right now I’m just trying to figure out how much actual risk I will be in for a week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
I am sure everyone with have their own ideas on this topic, but i suppose i am an example of a monger who has never picked up anything in 8 years - however i must admit most of my activity has been in beijing and i am very careful and normally target the high cost - more educated - class of girl. However i am fully aware that i could easily be unlucky.
I have come to the conclusion that this hobby can never be risk free - so you need to consider that before taking it up. Saying that there are a lot of things you can do to minimise the risk - which you can find on the section on STD's thread - or even on the general internet. However one point, my mate in SEOUL picked up Clamydia from DATY - which while easily treated - was a STD. So be careful and be aware. Blood, saliva, semen and vaginal fluids are all vectors.

[quote=old thai hand]what generalizations? i was making a joke with o**** when referring to "dark complexions" largely because he prefers women from buriram and surin who almost all have dark skin. this is not a genralization. this is just fact.

i happen to like isaan girls, at least of a certain type.

but, as i've said repeatedly, before, i don't like those in p4p. they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly. it never ceases to amaze me how some guys develop righteous indignation about the slightest criticism of isaan hookers.

btw. as i've said many time, my gf comes from isaan and has white skin.

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o.k. sorry mate, i'm over-reacting to your attempts to provoke opebo i guess.
my gf is issan also from ubon (my very first issan gf and the best) and is neither dark not white, but just right
:-) and face shape is narrow with a small not-flat nose (somewhat untypical).
i rarely go for very pale skinned girls.
we all generalise at times of course.
like this one from above "they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly" o.k. maybe a fair percentage are, but not all.
i just need to get used to loosly interpreting these type of statements.
its a pity many working girls lose the ability to act like a normal girl when they are not at the bar.
and your right in the other post. we just can't afford to know them at all.
could easily meet one in the street who cannot be trusted to be at all discreet.

you can criticise hookers, of course, if it turns you on. i try not to be too critical since since i haven't given them up completely, but will try to stick to good ones on an occassional basis. i'll try to criticise specific girls more so than the masses.

[QUOTE=Jan Chris]<cut>
Basically, you have two main ways to get FS in BKK : massage parlours (soapies) and go-go bars.
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- Bars are open up to 2am.
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- Soi Coboy : Topless dance is available here, unlike Nana Plazza. Rawhide and Long Gun offer genuine professional performances on stage which distracted me from my main purpose. But worth the visit for those not familiar with sex games! Dolhouse, Baccara and Shark are more traditionnal but offer the best selection.
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A couple of things to add.
Many guys get girls from beer gardens ( I suppose these are sort of bars) but a little different. I believe these girls are cheeper in general but may be not so gorgeous.
Another important method is girls on the street (I never tried this method until was a Budhhist holiday and everything else was closed). So got forced into it. Turned out I chose a rather ordinary girl first up, so simply went out and got another one. 2nd time lucky. 3rd time also lucky. Pays to spend time chatting them up first.
I also have also been to go to "morning bars" when I wanted sex before Soapies opened.

Soi Cowboy has nude dancing (not just topless) in some bars these days, e.g. Long Gun, Suzi Wong. Deja Vu, etc.
Shark has semi see-through underwear but not nude I believe.
Baccarat girls are in school uniform but no panties underneath, a novelty that wears off quickly. I prefer to look at tall good looking girls totally nude.
Unfortunately this means Long Gun, and having to just put up with the shows, some are artistic and some are ugly weird. The amount of time for nude girls is therefore reduced by the shows.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Of the last two dozen Thai ladies I have "encountered" I would say like 20 of them have been dead-fish/underperformers.

I am averaging like 8 or 9 dead-fish out of every 10 ladies. This can't be normal!

To give some background: They are mostly Pattaya beer-bar ladies (but not all) Average about 22 y/o, no stunners or beauties; but some are "cute".

They choose me. We seem to get along fine. Until we get to the room.
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You are strange mate.
The idea is to choose the lady and not have her choose you. If she is aggressive, thats a definite no-go. Actually a slightly shy girl can be good fun.
Get over your shyness. Take time to choose and choose wisely.
Watch a girl for a fair time. If she puts on too grimaces when talking to her friends. Forget her. If she puts on an act, forget her.
If she seems to like to have fun and smiles a lot, O.K this is good.
Talk first and see how she talks.
With these procedures in Bangkok, I rarely get a bad girl.
I sometimes get the wrong girl in a fishbowl since I have chosen without talking to them first.

[QUOTE=Opebo]It is certainly true that one can find tall Isaan girls. My favorite are the very thin 'angular' ones, though obviously I will fuck anything in a pinch. But your point about the difference between Lao and Isaan girls is an interesting one. Most of my experience with Lao girls has been in the brothels of Udon Thani and Nong Khai, so they may be individuals selected for having a look which appeals to Thais, but I agree they look quite different from Isaan girls. In fact they reminded me most of Vietnamese girls in Cambodian brothels. The better looking ones have that very slim but big breasted look one sees in Vietnamese but rarely in Isaan or Thai, though the majority of them are little baby-fat piglets.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about those brothels, but by Laos girls, I mean't girls born in the Country of Laos, e.g. Vientiane (Wianchan)
Issan girls are commonly called Laos girls as a slightly derogatory term because they're local dialect is closer to Laos Language than to central Thai.
But I noticed in Vientiane that the real Laos girls looked somewhat different to the Issan girls (faces tended to be more rounded).

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]

You can criticise hookers, of course, if it turns you on. I try not to be too critical since since I haven't given them up completely, but will try to stick to good ones on an occassional basis. I'll try to criticise specific girls more so than the masses.[/QUOTE]

I may criticize them, and not like how they speak and act. But, that doesn't mean I look down on them as such, unlike some other recent posters. They're human beings, afterall - just not to my liking.

[quote=mick licker]we all generalize at times of course.
like this one from above "they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly" o.k. maybe a fair percentage are, but not all.[/quote]

hey ml,

i'm not taking sides with oth on this issue. this means i'm not trying to watch his back or defend his conclusions, but even so, i agree with his generalization. that said, i am also not beating up on you either.

my experience in bangkok has also led me to the conclusion that isaan hookers are rude, crude, and generally unattractive (not so much in the physical sense, but unattractive because they are rude and crude).

when i first moved to thailand i was a typical newbie and most of the long-timers always seemed to be beating up on me. i (as almost all newbies do) took their comments harshly and had countless disputes with them, but in the end the long timers were not wrong.

i still frequent the upper sukhumvit area almost everyday to study the human condition as i am more interested in its imperfections than its perfections (if there are any). that said, i do not enjoy walking down the street with isaan hookers anymore. it doesn't bother so much at night when most of the normal people are in their homes, but i avoid being seen with them in the daytime for two reasons:

1) it's not good for my image and 2) i don't want to cause bad feelings in the hearts and minds of normal thai people. i am sure the sight of a farang with a thai hooker must be quite repulsive to them. the latter reason is the most important reason for me because i don't work in thailand, therefore i don't need to guard "my image" as closely as the expats who work here.

i don't know what event triggers the average expat to form the opinion that isaan hookers are rude and crude, but i know exactly what triggered it for me. it was the day i was walking down soi 4 and i overheard a group of isaan hookers talking about someone and that someone was me. this day was also the first time i realized i was beginning to be fluent with the thai language. it was as if a huge veil had been lifted from my eyes and i was able to see for the first time and consequently, my innocense was lost. and as all of us on this board should know, virginity is lost one time only.

i still speak with my second girlfriend and she is still an isaan hooker. we are now best friends and i will always love her. but even so, i am many times more than a little shy or embarrassed when i am with her around normal people because she is rude and crude. actually, she is not at all a rude person, but her actions and her speech are so crude that a normal person might very well condemn her as both rude and crude.

here's a very good recent example. she came over to my house a few days ago just before sunrise because she needed to borrow some money. i went out to meet her on the soi because she didn't even have enough money to pay her taxi fare. after taking care of the taxi we began walking to my apartment and suddenly she remembered that she forgot to call her friend.

at this time of the morning on my soi there are a large number of food vendors preparing their food stalls for the onslaught of hungry people that will soon be rushing to work. my ex-girlfriend stopped to retrieve her mobile phone and the particular place we stopped was well within earshot of the food vendors. once she dailed her friends number the fate of my upcoming embarrassment was sealed.

after waiting for her friend to answer the phone my ex-girlfriend began to speak in the same loud and crude voice that is typical of an isaan hooker. her greeting with her friend was particularly loud because she extremely happy her friend answered the phone. this happy greeting to her friend was not at all rude in her mind because it's just hooker talk, but normal people consider hooker talk to be both rude and crude.

the happy word of greeting that was practically shouted into the phone was, "ee dawk!" this is an extremely vulgar and degrading word that is normally used as an interjection for the very purpose of being rude. after hearing this i immediately put my finger to my mouth attempting to get my ex to speak in a soft voice, but instead she started speaking even louder because my attempts to quiet her were interpreted as interference and her act of speaking louder basically meant that i should shut up until she was off the phone.

at this point all ears were focused directly on the two of us and nary a food vendor was working anymore because they were listening to us. i live on a very respectable soi that is not anywhere near nor associated with sukhumvit and these food vendor are not exactly poor themselves. in fact, more than a few of them are associated with the owners of my apartment building!

so in the end, most isaan hookers are rude and crude in the same way that most scorpion are dangerous. a scoria stings you because stinging is what scorpion do and an isaan hooker is rude and crude because being rude and crude is what isaan hookers do.

in conclusion, although my ex has paid the money back to me, she is still a very crude girl. ;)

poster . . .

[QUOTE=PosterLion]Hey ML,

... I don't know what event triggers the average expat to form the opinion that Isaan hookers are rude and crude, but I know exactly what triggered it for me. It was the day I was walking down Soi 4 and I overheard a group of Isaan hookers talking about someone and that someone was me. poster[/QUOTE]Hey Poster Lion,

It's great to hear from you! Your first posts were largely responsible for me joining this board and deciding to come to LOS to see things for myself. I was wondering what happened to you. Obviously, you still like it there and have assimilated the language and culture. I envy your courage and your guts after so many told you that you'd crash and burn. Well, I suppose you did crash a few times but you didn't burn.

I just have one important question for you. What were them nasty crude Issan bitches saying about you that caused your epiphany?

Regards,

Daddy

mick licker's point, however, is valid. while these generalizations are, in the majority, valid - they are, however, generalizations which are not always true, and the exceptions to these general traits can, in fact, be exceptional.

on my last trip to bangkok, i met a truly wonderful issan lady from who was in fact, not crude at all (and i could easily see spending my life with her, if we could work out the logistics). when i first met her, i was actually surprised that she was a working girl (a freelancer on sukhumvit), because she was dressed like an office worker, and her english (learned mostly not from school, but rather, from tv and her interaction with farangs) was astonishingly good. her self-awareness is remarkable - she's working because the father of her child is gone, and her father is gone, and she doesn't see working on her mother's farm as the path to give her daughter the future that she wants for her. she's a street girl in bangkok from issan because she is making enough money to comfortably support her family, but she doesn't look like it, she doesn't act like it, she doesn't talk like it. i would be more than happy to be seen with her, both among thai society and among my own peers in business and socially in the u.s. she's also one of the two most exceptionally enthusiastic sex partners i've ever had (and the only one who was better was actually a genuine nymphomaniac with bipolar disorder). she also made it damn clear to me that condoms would always be used. it was only after i had been exclusively with her for over a week, and we had been having discussions about how we could be together for other time beyond the particular trip that i was on that this was compromised, and even then, i had to promise not to come inside her.

i wondered why she didn't get a professional job with one of the important hotel or tourism companies who cater to farangs, as she certainly has the presentability, intellect, and languange skills to do so, but she told me it's because she doesn't have a degree, and those companies only hire people with degrees. so she does what she does.

you can generalize all you wish about the typical p4p worker from issan. but they are not all the same. they are human beings, and they run the gamut of variety that all humans do. and many of them are quite fully realized individuals who have much to offer beyond providing orifaces for our dicks.

Will be with the Mrs in LOS next week. Booked accommodations in BKK, Lamai, Patong, and Chiangmai for my two weeks stay. Been to LOS several times in the past but this will be my first time with the Mrs and would like to inquire about your experience in LOS with your Mrs on your side.

1. Most importantly, how did you get time off for yourself? What are some excuses that would seem legitimate enough free you for a few hours to venture into p4p ground. I like fishing so she was willing to let me go fishing for a day. Anyone know of a local fishing tour in Lamai or Patong that will give me a quick morning fishing, leaving the afternoon off for some free time? any other ideas?

2. I am also interest in massage places where I can confortably bring in the Mrs and can still participate in the P4P action. Of course soapies are out of the questions! The last thing I want to do is choose a massuese from a line up in front of her. In your massage experience, will masseuse engage in play knowing that you walked in with your Mrs?

3. I am also looking for live Thai music bar or restaurant in the above places. Something similar to Elephant Bar in Patong or Blue Chili in Pattaya. I will be staying close to Suk/Soi 2, are there any good place around that area?