How come, within a day a slew of recycled specialists on Russia has evaporated from TV screens, all former generals, former anchors, former chiefs of stations, what a shame indeed!
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How come, within a day a slew of recycled specialists on Russia has evaporated from TV screens, all former generals, former anchors, former chiefs of stations, what a shame indeed!
[QUOTE=Questner;2830592]How come, within a day a slew of recycled specialists on Russia has evaporated from TV screens, all former generals, former anchors, former chiefs of stations, what a shame indeed![/QUOTE]The shithead returns and just as retarded as usual.
One president -- against all pleas from foreign emissaries and his own advisors -- refuses to flee and stays in his capital to face and eventually crush the full-blown onslaught of a 200,000-strong army that was reputed to be the second strongest military in the world.
And then we have another (so-called) president who flees THE VERY MOMENT 8,000 thugs armed with nothing more than a couple of tanks and a few infantry vehicles start moving toward his capital.
I repeat my question I once asked here: have there ever in history been aggressors as cowardly and pathetic as the current tsar of Russia?
Anyone?
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2830946]One president -- against all pleas from foreign emissaries and his own advisors -- refuses to flee and stays in his capital to face and eventually crush the full-blown onslaught of a 200,000-strong army that was reputed to be the second strongest military in the world.
And then we have another (so-called) president who flees THE VERY MOMENT 8,000 thugs armed with nothing more than a couple of tanks and a few infantry vehicles start moving toward his capital.
I repeat my question I once asked here: have there ever in history been aggressors as cowardly and pathetic as the current tsar of Russia?
Anyone?[/QUOTE]Xman instead of joining the Ukraine military, I think there is a better job for you. You really should take your crazy thoughts and apply for a job at CNN or one of the other wacko networks you get your news from.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2830310]1. The failed state with over 6 K+ nuclear warheads allowed a group of about 4,000 armed men AKA the Wagner Group to move from the borders of Ukraine to Moscow Oblast in less than 24 hours after having captured 2 major Russian cities. Putin and his henchmen fled Moscow.
2. To placate the Wagner chief Prigozhin, Putin sent general Dyumin (currently the governor of Tula oblast and Prigozhin ally) to talk some sense into him. All lies about (Belarussian dictator) Lukashenko's participation in the negotiations is bullshit. The results:
- Kremlin agreed to remove the Defense Minister Shoigu and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gerasimov.
- Kremlin agreed to appoint Dyumin the new Minister of Defense and Surovikin (another Prigozhin ally) as the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
- Prigozhin agreed to lift the siege and return to Wagner's field camps.
3. Dyumin's appointment means Prigozhin gets to control the $143 billion DoD budget. That's not even counting the newly classified parts of the state budget allotted to the war chest.
4. Wagner's military commander Utkin who had an order to take Moscow is not happy and openly calls his boss a prison * (which is how Prigozhin survived during his incarceration). Utkin is currently busy creating his own PMC.
5. Putin is allowed to live and return to Kremlin -- for now.[/QUOTE]Hmm, I may have been premature labeling you as a genius in the American Politics thread. Time will tell. But you definitely get an A+ for creative writing. While I wouldn't trust you as head of the NSA, you'd make a darn good Hollywood screenwriter.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2831200]Hmm, I may have been premature labeling you as a genius in the American Politics thread. Time will tell. But you definitely get an A+ for creative writing. While I wouldn't trust you as head of the NSA, you'd make a darn good Hollywood screenwriter.[/QUOTE]I'm neither a genius nor a creative writer. I do, however, have basic research and analytical skills that help me get some clarity.
1. The 21st century isn't kind to empires.
2. And the Russian Empire is the last empire on planet Earth.
3. And it's run by an ignorant coward.
4. And it's rotten to its core.
When you do realize these simple, unimpeachable facts and have some reasonably decent knowledge of the bloody and bloodthirsty Russia's history, you don't need to be a genius to know what's coming next. The Russian Empire will go down hard and it will take hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives with it.
There is no way around it. Eltsyn's controlled dissolution of the Soviet Union will not repeat itself. The upcoming catastrophe will be a bloody, bloody mess. The civil war in Yugoslavia will look like a walk in the park compared to this.
I totally understand why Biden and the West are terrified by this prospect, and why they consistently and stubbornly decline Kyiv's request for F16 and more advanced artillery. Not that they aren't trying to help Ukraine -- it's just that they don't want Putin to lose his grip on power no matter what.
Because what can go wrong with 6 K+ nukes during the most horrific civil war in the history of mankind, right?
The problem is, this is futile. You can't stop history or help a madman. Instead of trying to control the Ukrainians and keep Putin in Kremlin, Biden and the Nato need to be working with other actors inside Russia who're likely to participate in future festivities.
NB. I can be wrong, of course. LOL, I hope I am.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2831252]I totally understand why Biden and the West are terrified by this prospect, and why they consistently and stubbornly decline Kyiv's request for F16 and more advanced artillery. Not that they aren't trying to help Ukraine -- it's just that they don't want Putin to lose his grip on power no matter what.[/QUOTE]You simply don't know what you are talking about and aren't following the news at all. This while you continue to exude your doom and gloom cowardice. Thanks to very bad decisions by Russia the world is in a tough spot but cowering to Putin, his nuclear saber rattling, and whoever may follow him is the exact wrong way to go. Had we supported Ukraine back in 2014 there's a good chance we wouldn't be where we are today. Obama was a wuss in that regard. Biden has been better but still well short of the mark. Ukraine needs to be given what they need to push Russia out of their territory. As to your nuclear panics, I couldn't care less about your fear while wimps like you play right into Putin's hand. We need to remain strong while locked and loaded. If Russia plays that hand the consequences must be catastrophic.
[URL]https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/01/ukraine-gets-its-f-16s[/URL]
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2831689]You simply don't know what you are talking about and aren't following the news at all. This while you continue to exude your doom and gloom cowardice. Thanks to very bad decisions by Russia the world is in a tough spot but cowering to Putin, his nuclear saber rattling, and whoever may follow him is the exact wrong way to go. Had we supported Ukraine back in 2014 there's a good chance we wouldn't be where we are today. Obama was a wuss in that regard. Biden has been better but still well short of the mark. Ukraine needs to be given what they need to push Russia out of their territory. As to your nuclear panics, I couldn't care less about your fear while wimps like you play right into Putin's hand. We need to remain strong while locked and loaded. If Russia plays that hand the consequences must be catastrophic.
[URL]https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/01/ukraine-gets-its-f-16s[/URL][/QUOTE]Great advice. You guys are truly delusional. Ukraine doesn't need any more weapons, they need to find a solution to end this, but you wackos want this war, now you are getting Ukraine destroyed in the process. Great job!
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2831689]You simply don't know what you are talking about and aren't following the news at all. This while you continue to exude your doom and gloom cowardice. Thanks to very bad decisions by Russia the world is in a tough spot but cowering to Putin, his nuclear saber rattling, and whoever may follow him is the exact wrong way to go. Had we supported Ukraine back in 2014 there's a good chance we wouldn't be where we are today. Obama was a wuss in that regard. Biden has been better but still well short of the mark. Ukraine needs to be given what they need to push Russia out of their territory. As to your nuclear panics, I couldn't care less about your fear while wimps like you play right into Putin's hand. We need to remain strong while locked and loaded. If Russia plays that hand the consequences must be catastrophic.
[URL]https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/01/ukraine-gets-its-f-16s[/URL][/QUOTE]Dear Paulie,
What Xpartan wrote below sounded pretty sensible to me, except, being an optimist, I don't think Russia will go through a "bloody, bloody mess." Or at least nothing as severe as the Bolshevik Revolution and the civil war that followed. It would be great if we could somehow return to the relationship we had with Russia under Yeltsin, although that won't happen with Putin in power.
Ironically, the Economist, which you linked to, published an article recently that pretty much repeated what Xpartan said. He appears to be on your side by the way, at least in his other posts, in wanting to arm Ukraine to the teeth and fight the war to the last Ukrainian. If you want to pin this on cowardly, stingy gloom and doomers, you should look to people like me instead. IMHO, Biden and the USA should be pushing the sides to end this war, in a way that would insure the security of those on Ukrainian soil who don't support Russia.
Peace and Love,
Tiny
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2831252]There is no way around it. Eltsyn's (sic) controlled dissolution of the Soviet Union will not repeat itself. The upcoming catastrophe will be a bloody, bloody mess. The civil war in Yugoslavia will look like a walk in the park compared to this.
I totally understand why Biden and the West are terrified by this prospect, and why they consistently and stubbornly decline Kyiv's request for F16 and more advanced artillery. Not that they aren't trying to help Ukraine -- it's just that they don't want Putin to lose his grip on power no matter what.
Because what can go wrong with 6 K+ nukes during the most horrific civil war in the history of mankind, right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2831762]Great advice. You guys are truly delusional. Ukraine doesn't need any more weapons, they need to find a solution to end this, but you wackos want this war, now you are getting Ukraine destroyed in the process. Great job![/QUOTE]They're not wackos DramaFree. They probably are Lockheed and Raytheon shareholders though.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2832078]They're not wackos DramaFree. They probably are Lockheed and Raytheon shareholders though.[/QUOTE]You might be on to something, but yes they are both crazy as Hell.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2831762]Great advice. You guys are truly delusional. Ukraine doesn't need any more weapons, they need to find a solution to end this, but you wackos want this war, now you are getting Ukraine destroyed in the process. Great job![/QUOTE]There is a solution fuckwit, RuZZians leave the territory of Ukraine and respect the 1991 borders and treaties they signed. Ask them to stop invading and attacking, not Ukraine to stop defending.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2831689]You simply don't know what you are talking about and aren't following the news at all. This while you continue to exude your doom and gloom cowardice. Thanks to very bad decisions by Russia the world is in a tough spot but cowering to Putin, his nuclear saber rattling, and whoever may follow him is the exact wrong way to go.
[/QUOTE]By now you should've had a perfect clarity about my views on this war -- in addition to our PM exchanges I've been posting about it for more than a year. But no, somehow, I'm advocating "cowering to Putin"! How about reading my posts (it's fucking short enough!) in their ENTIRETY before lounging your deranged attacks?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2831689]Had we supported Ukraine back in 2014 there's a good chance we wouldn't be where we are today. Obama was a wuss in that regard. Biden has been better but still well short of the mark. Ukraine needs to be given what they need to push Russia out of their territory. [/QUOTE]When in the holy name of fuck did I say otherwise?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2831689]As to your nuclear panics, I couldn't care less about your fear while wimps like you play right into Putin's hand. We need to remain strong while locked and loaded. If Russia plays that hand the consequences must be catastrophic.
[URL]https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/01/ukraine-gets-its-f-16s[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, there is only one problem, my valiant knight. The only reason why Putin is allowed to live and this war is still raging. Call it "nuclear panics" but this is exactly the state our officials are in.
"We need to remain strong" is a wishful fucking thinking when the White House is busy of keeping Putin in charge of his nukes.
Because god forbid they fall in the wrong hands.
OK, maybe all the above is TL; DR for you, so let me try and make it even easier.
1. As far as I'm concerned, Russia's nukes are already in the wrong hands. We need to work on removing Putin, rather than on keeping him in charge.
2. That said, Putin is a complete and utter coward; he's very unlikely to unleash nuclear weapons, whatever his rhetoric is.
3. We must stop dragging our feet and give the Ukrainians everything they need including F16, long-range HIMARS and ATACMS (and we should've been doing it for a year now).
4. But I'm not optimistic.
Better?
[QUOTE=VinDici;2832102]There is a solution fuckwit, RuZZians leave the territory of Ukraine and respect the 1991 borders and treaties they signed. Ask them to stop invading and attacking, not Ukraine to stop defending.[/QUOTE]Good luck with this. You guys are so out of touch with reality.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2832283]Good luck with this. You guys are so out of touch with reality.[/QUOTE]Says the RuZZbot without any irony.