Moscow

El Kapitan,

Well, this is a first! We now have 2 members of the forum having sex with each other! Did Helena know that you are a member of the ISG forum? You'd think she would want to be on her best behaviour.

You might want to try Natasha [url]http://companion-escortmoscow.com[/url]. She is the other girl who advertises here.

Other than that, maybe find a copy of the Moscow Times? They should have some in your hotel, or they can probably get a copy for you. There are some escort agencies that advertise in the back and they cater to foreign (english speaking) tourists.

How long will you be in Moscow?

[QUOTE=Pizdyets] I think all these point to why sites like mamba are increasingly popular with WGs: police involvement is minimal, expenses are minimal,


and the girls are reasonably assured that they're not getting hooked up with a Jack-the-Ripper/Ted Bundy type.[/QUOTE]

What kind of logic are you using to figure that one out? I agree with the first part..but the second.

to el kapitan

i expected that you could write something like that. all was, of course, totally different, but it's ok. you written your opinion and can keep it as long as you wish. i'll keep mine about you. just a small advise. next time if you want to get service, don't say to a provider in advance that you don't want to get it. if on the phone you say very clearly that you only want companionship and massage i bet 90% of providers will not guess that you want to be raped or seduced or have some other hidden fantasy. i asked you for the second time what exactly you meant by saying that "you were not a full-service client", and you repeated again that you were not interested in anything else than massage and companionship. there was nothing said by you about "we see where it leads", this you added for the forum. about massage, for which i was really prepared and which to tell you the truth i know well how to do, you also changed your mind in the process several times and just left me no chance to make it properly. no one can give you a proper massage if you move around, have no towels at home and so on... as for the rest... you are not satisfied. ok. because you expected one thing but ordered totally the opposite. why you acted this way i don't know. anyway, thanks for allowing me to make a cup of tea. such a big favor...

[quote=helena moscow]if on the phone you say very clearly that you only want companionship and massage i bet 90% of providers will not guess that you want to be raped or seduced or have some other hidden fantasy. i asked you for the second time what exactly you meant by saying that "you were not a full-service client", and you repeated again that you were not interested in anything else than massage and companionship. there was nothing said by you about "we see where it leads", this you added for the forum. [/quote]200 euro for massage and companionship?

you two really didn't communicate very well... that was doomed to end in frustration. you should have at least let him titty fuck you, helena. you know guys can't get a massage from a woman without wanting to blow our load. we are very basic creatures in that sense. not very kind at all babe.

el kapitan... did you really say you wanted a blowjob for the agreed price, or just assume that was part of the massage? come to think of it, at least a hj is usually part of the massage price...

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]200 Euro for massage and companionship?

You two really didn't communicate very well... that was doomed to end in frustration. You should have at least let him titty fuck you, Helena. You know guys can't get a massage from a woman without wanting to blow our load. We are very basic creatures in that sense. Not very kind at all babe.

El Kapitan... did you really say you wanted a blowjob for the agreed price, or just assume that was part of the massage? Come to think of it, at least a HJ IS usually part of the massage price...[/QUOTE]

Oh, the gratest judge of all times came to teach eveyone how to live. May be you let El Kapitan titty fuck you, if you feel so sorry for him? 200 for massage and companionship is not something huge now. In the day time (not at 1 o'clock in the night) in a medium class beauty salon (where you come on your own feet and massauser has no transport costs) in Moscow for 45 minutes of normal medical massage we pay 2000-4000 rubles. Without any companionship and HJs. By the way, it's written on the first page of my site that I only offer my time and companionship. The rest is the matter of mutual choice. Noone cheated anyone and I never said that I could read thoughts. And believe me, knowing that El Kapitan was ISG member, I wasn't searching for troubles. By the way, I tried to fix things piecefully, but the guy had his own performance. Probably his desire to write a bad report was higher than the desire to get any service at all. Shit happens, that's it. I'm not an angel, sure, I never even pretended. Neither he was an angel. And let's not play these kindergarden games like: "I'm so innocent and she is so evel, upset me, poor little guy..." The guy is not so little and well-understood what exactly happened. He wanted a little revenge, ok, he got it. Fellow-mongers had little fun of the situation. Done. Let's go further. Any other news?

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Oh, the gratest judge of all times came to teach eveyone how to live. May be you let El Kapitan titty fuck you, if you feel so sorry for him?[/QUOTE]And you think 200 Euros for a shyte massage and some conversation really speaks for your service Helena? You really believe he got his money's worth?

You really thought he'd want nothing but some touchy feely and a pat on the ass?

Service providers get judged by their service, that's the nature of the beast.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]And you think 200 Euros for a shyte massage and some conversation really speaks for your service Helena? You really believe he got his money's worth?

You really thought he'd want nothing but some touchy feely and a pat on the ass?

Service providers get judged by their service, that's the nature of the beast.[/QUOTE]

Skank, please, read the previous post. I added a bit to it and during the same time you already responded. I tell you, it was at first misunderstanding, and then the guy played his own game. Shit happens. Not always not everything goes right. And don't make from me a monster. My only fault in this situation is that I'm not a machine and I can't smile happily when I see that some ugly tricks start in front of me. You were not there, you don't know the whole situation, you can't judge. None of the forum guys can, because they were not there and they don't know what really happened. El Kapitan can't proove anyway thet he is telling the truth, by the way. And it's very easy to write shit about me, because everybody here knows my face and noone knows his. I didn't want to go into details, because it's unpleasant for me to take them out. And I don't want to write more shit than already written.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]You were not there[/QUOTE]True enough, I wasn't there and I am not judging anybody. Nonetheless, as I previously wrote, there seems to have been a breakdown of communications either way.

I don't really understand the notion of meeting a pro for anything other than sex, but that's just me. Nor have I ever heard of pros performing massages without a least a HJ.

I'm confused. )

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Skank, please, read the previous post. I added a bit to it and during the same time you already responded. I tell you, it was at first misunderstanding, and then the guy played his own game. Shit happens. Not always not everything goes right. And don't make from me a monster. My only fault in this situation is that I'm not a machine and I can't smile happily when I see that some ugly tricks start in front of me. You were not there, you don't know the whole situation, you can't judge. None of the forum guys can, because they were not there and they don't know what really happened. El Kapitan can't proove anyway thet he is telling the truth, by the way. And it's very easy to write shit about me, because everybody here knows my face and noone knows his. I didn't want to go into details, because it's unpleasant for me to take them out. And I don't want to write more shit than already written.[/QUOTE]I was there. My wallet is 200 Euros lighter to prove it. What possible reason I would have to randomly write shit about you I can only guess.

This forum is for clients (mongers) to share information with each other regarding locations, pricing, and services. I don't know anyone in Moscow so my popularity is not an issue and I have no clue as to why a negative report about you would increase my popularity in this forum.

I do not wish to make this some sort of personal vendetta as I could give a shit less about Helena. In fact the entire point of service providers is to avoid drama and "personal" relationships. It is a business and should be treated as such. Should we happen across others we click with and develop a relationship then so be it.

Helena, you like to use that word "favor". People do not pay for favors.

As to my ability to communicate in English, it is my native tongue so I think I have an okay handle on it. I can assure this forum that Helena's command and grasp of the English language also is more than adequate to arrange a chat, massage, and hj/cbj. She seemed to find the place okay and certainly understood 200 EU.

As to Helena's desire to "fix the misunderstanding" I cannot say as I am not sure what she did in that regard other than offer that, and I quote "I was not mentally prepared to give you a blowjob, I thought this was only a chat and massage, I am not a machine."

The bottom line here is not that she was confused, nor was it that we had to discuss it further. The problem in fact did not occur until when she said "I thought you were not full service" to which I responded I am not. She then said "Tell me specifically what you want" and I responded that yes I would like a blowjob but I did not desire full service. That is when the sighs and shrugging and childlike behavior started. When I pressed her about what the problem was she then started with the whole "you said only chat and massage" and "this is very strange, this one way street". I mean seriously..WTF?!?! I rarely if ever go into explicit extreme detail on the telephone prior to seeing a provider. This is for two reasons; 1) I don't know what is going to show up at me door so I am not sure how far I am going to let ANYTHING go and 2) In most countries (Russia included) selling sex is illegal and I do not wish to discuss this with someone I have not met.

Any PROFESSIONAL provider working in the sex industry for more than 10 years who needs to go through an intense amount of mental preparation to perform what most would consider one of the most basic sex acts is quite possibly in the wrong industry.

Women are not machines or pieces of meat. They should be treated with respect, just as all humans should. A professional sex provider is a business and should conduct herself accordingly.

I have nothing further to say about this. What happened is what happened. There was no yelling, arguing, or anything else. There were no tricks and certainly no treats. I ended the session as soon as I felt there was no longer any positive outcome likely, a decision which is not made lightly as I knew I was going to be out 200EU either way. There was no ugliness at the end when I asked her to go ahead and leave and no need for it now.

I heard a lot about Helena's life and how expensive Prague was, got a shit massage from what I would consider a 5/10 at best, a huge drama act when I confirmed that this would be a one way only affair, and decided to call it a night for a 200 Euro lesson. Nothing more, nothing less.

Helena is right in saying that sometimes things just don't go right. This is obviously one of those times. I am sure she has hundreds of positive reviews from other forum members so my one report about the experience I had should be nothing (in fact I know there is at least one as I read it prior to booking, hence my utter surprise). I do not wish her any ill will. I however think I should fulfill the purpose of this forum in REPORTING my experience. Other members can be the judge as I cannot "prove" what did or didn't happen.

Again, I am done with this and will not discuss it further.

Fool me once, shame on me.

I think if sb wants sth especially with Russians, he has to tell it beforehand. Not during or after the act because the Russians feel betrayed and there is sth more they feel that you tried to fool them or that you blackmail them or that you try to gain extra gain from them while you should lose and not them, anyway I cannot explain it in english. For example if you pay for HJ and demand BJ, then you try to gain extra profit on their expense, so that they lose which means no respect in first place unless they really like you which is not possible if you are a love buyer because most likely they feel condemn for you because you have no gf and wife or you betray your wife with them, so you are second class in their eyes.

Anyway I tried to present the frame why a punter is always second class in Russian pro eyes. Only that he demanded services of a pro means to them that he is second class. This is my opinion how they view the interaction.

A second class playing games and doing tricks is further unacceptable. For example what does ''not full service'' mean? Why not define it? Does it mean massage + HJ, massage + HJ + BJ, massage + HJ + BJ + DFK, or sth else? You have to define it. Noone is expected to know beforehand what the other means by the expression ''not full service'' which is supposed to cause positive thoughts in escort's mind (I will be paid by sb who wants only to talk, sth which happens in some cases of escorts' clients).

In my opinion it is not necessary to cause any positive thoughts in escort's minds. You just tell what you have in mind and see if she agrees. For example ''anal is possible? '', ''is it possible to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you? '', ''is it possible that you lick my anus? '' etc, so they agree or not and you know the prices and the possibilities. Of course they can steal you afterwards in terms of time, for example by appearing late but usually what is agreed beforehand is carried out the way it was agreed.

[QUOTE=Hecker]Anyway I tried to present the frame why a punter is always second class in Russian pro eyes. Only that he demanded services of a pro means to them that he is second class. This is my opinion how they view the interaction.
[/QUOTE]Although I agree with much that you wrote about clarifying what you want beforehand, I do not believe that Russian pros automatically believe that their clients are lower or second class. They deal with... and fuck... people from various social strata, class, intelligence and wealth. Although some pros may go cold at some point and certainly we are all "wallets" to them, I believe that in the end your individual behavior will make a difference in their opinion of you and ideally, in their performance or the general mood and "success" of the encounter.

Of course sometimes things simply do not go well, the human factor involved plays a vital role. Sometimes one gets a dud, or a girl with a bad attitude, one in a bad mood, one that is incredibly stupid, one that isn't what you wanted or expected or one that just doesn't match up with you well. There is little you can do, except maybe try to send her back. This isn't always possible, but depending on the arrangement it sometimes is.

As I've stated before, in my experience when a pro encounter went bad it was often just as much my fault as hers. Even in a pro encounter some sort of mood or vibe develops, whether positive, neutral or negative. Sometimes MY mood, my vibe or my attitude just wasn't right. Especially in an atmosphere in which vocal communication is either not possible or limited by language, other factors such as body language and non-verbal communication are even more important than they would be in a normal encounter in which there was a language basis.

Just my 2 cents.

To Hecker

I agree with what you written in everything but the fact that clients are treated like a second-class just for being clients. This is not so. Skank made right comments on this and I join them.

El Kapitan had a bad night, largely because of El Kapitan. Man, in all your posts on ISG in a number of cities, including in Dubai, you ask for contact details for sex providers, but you make it clear in your posts don't want actually want sex. (Talk to the hand, El Kapitan).

This approach leads to confusion for the WG (Helena in this case) who must think to herself over an hour or two of uncomfortable mixed-messages from El Kapitan: "What does this guy actually want."

El Kapitan is simply wrong in saying that paying for intimate time with a woman is only a business transaction. No need for me to explain - he already knows this, which is clear from his last few posts.

Get outta here with all this philosophical BS about disclaimers etc.

Bottomline she ripped him off because she thought she could!!

That kind of crap wouldn't hunt in Moscow for sure cause you never know who knows who. But in Prague, it's anonymous. Now we know why she got booted from working NF in Moscow years ago.

[QUOTE=Ffmbud]... Bottomline she ripped him off because she thought she could!![/QUOTE]I doubt it. Helena knew he's an ISG member and that he would probably report here, so for things to go so wrong, there's clearly more to the story. Let's face it, El Kapitan has issues, and he should switch from ISG to the Discovery Channel.[QUOTE=Ffmbud]Now we know why she got booted from working NF in Moscow years ago. [/QUOTE]Interesting. Tell us more, if you are genuine.