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"My bar girl is different".

This is the standard post by a monger being scammed. It's so common that it's a running joke. Typical, it's a guy involved in a long con, usually ending with the victim losing all of their money.

I do know some "different" bar girls, but different in ways other than relationships with Farangs.

I know a bar girl who works seriously. No relationships, just fucks for money, and banks it. Works every day, multiple customers per day.

Another bar girl is hounded by customers who want to marry her, one offered nine million baht. But she is a lesbian, and her goal is to retire to go live with the owner of her bar, an old Thai lady. When she is drunk, she will chase women, the straighter the better.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2981416]The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act and the Entertainment Places Act. There may have been other resources she provided. It was a while ago. She explained using the relevant sections in the Acts how prostitution in itself is not illegal. That was enough for me.

I can't remember about the other act, but the Prevention and Suppression Act was nowhere to be found on the internet back then. The attorney found it in hard copy form in the LOC and faxed it. I contacted them only to see if they had a copy, and learned that they will assist with legal research.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2981411]Moot or not, it is somewhat amusing that those who claim it is illegal are not able to point out anywhere it says so in the law, or even point out a single prosecuted case. Not even a reported case, except where the alleged prostitution is just a byline to whatever it is someone is actually charged for, yet they keep yapping on about it.
Add to that if there actually was a law against it, how many thousand stories would we have heard of cops lining up potbellied farangs and their 'ho in tow for an easy shakedown? Not even during the occasional "clean up our image as the brothel of the world" periods.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2981240]The problem that has always existed with this topic is when someone casually mentions in a post that "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand", what are those of us who know there is no such law in the Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act nor any other Code or Act supposed to do or say about it on a by god sure enough International Sex Guide website like this one? Ignore it? Say nothing? Let it go unchallenged and unanswered?

Should everyone wait for at least a half dozen such assertions to be posted before somebody finally speaks up and asks for proof of the repeated assertion? It is not exactly a trivial point to make on this kind of website. And, who knows, maybe there has been a new law passed to that effect. So I think it is a good question to ask in response to the assertion. Again, hardly a trivial point on this particular website.[/QUOTE]You guys have done a great job making the Pattaya thread utterly useless now. If anyone wants to post there or read about Pattaya they must weed through pages of dribble on prostitution legal arguments between people without any legal background in Thailand.

Hopefully, this will move this topic over to the thread where it really belongs. I was not going to do this, but for the sake of the Pattaya section being left completely irrelevant, here goes.

If prostitution in Thailand is legal, why is there a whole written law about prostitution describing all the specific situations?

PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT be. E. 2539 (1996).

Prevention= the action of stopping something from happening or arising. Suppression / suppress= prevent the development, action, or expression of (a feeling, impulse, idea, etc.); restrain Prostitution= the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment.

Is there really a whole written law about this, but it is actually legal? I think not. The point of the law is to prevent and suppress prostitution. If it was legal, why does it need to be prevented and suppressed? Read the name of the Act. Common sense guys. Now let's exam the specific clauses.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place, which is committed openly and shamelessly or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht.

Example foreign man walks up to a lady on beach road or walking street or soi Bukao and asks how much for sex ST. The Thai girl replies with 1000ST. They agree. Even if no one is considered a nuisance, it's considered shameless in Thai culture. The fact this happened and someone may have witnessed it makes it shameless. They both consented. Boom! Section 5 law is broken.

Section 6. Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.

Example. A male customer enters a gents club with short time rooms on site. Has a drink with a Thai girl. The Thai girl and male customer talk about going short time upstairs in the short time room. The male customer asks how much for short time. The lady says 1000 Baht. The male customer then confirms what services he wants such as BBFS CIP or BBBJ. The lady agrees. Then the cashier informs the male customer the cost of the room is 500 Baht. The male customer agrees. The cashier then collects the fee for the room and often collects the ST feee too for the lady, but other times the lady collects it in the room. They go upstairs to the room and have sex. One hour later the cashier knocks on the door informing the couple the time is up. Boom! Section 6 law is broken.

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents or printed matters, or by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht or to both.

Example Thai girl in Pattaya opens a Thai Friendly profile in the Pattaya area. She writes in her profile description "looking for ST" she may write the price or may not. Then gives her lime ID or maybe not. Man sends her a message saying he accepts and asks how much if he does not know an already. The girls says 1000 Baht. Boom! Section 7 law is broken.

2nd example. Lady pays Fiw Fans to allow her to place an advertisement. Then she places an ad with a girls photo with a description of services, how much and a location with phone number or or Line ID. Boom! Section 7 law is broken. This is law is in the act so it is considered prostitution in the eyes of Thai law. Further, the client shows up at an hotel on Ratchada soi 7 and pays the girl in the room. The guy then confirms what service he wants, offers an extra 500 Baht for BBFS and the lady agrees. The hotel in question has 10 other rooms rented by other ladies and of course is aware of the services being provided in their hotel. The hotel now is considered a prostitution establishment. Boom! Section 6 law is also broken.

These laws are all in the PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT be. E. 2539 (1996) and in the eyes of Thai law all fall under the definition of prostitution or they would not be in this act.

Final thoughts. Guess what? These examples are real cases that I am aware of first hand. Secondly, do you think every prostitution case ends up in the news? Absolutely not. Otherwise the news would be full of these reports every single day.

In Thailand, prostitution is tolerated just like other crimes and corruption unless it causes a high ranking Thai official or an influential person or the country in itself to lose face. For example a local NGO funded by international donors takes a video on beach road of the activities. Then they publish it. Thailand loses face. Crackdown on beach road on prostitution. Why do you guys think Fiw Fans got busted? Underage girls? Someone high up didn't get paid? Could be many possibilities. Something that big could not go on without influential Thais in the police and government being involved. Hundreds of hotels and condos. Many admins and many ladies and men. The point is that is was tolerated for years until someone lost money or face.

Nothing is black and white in Thailand and that's what you guys are confused about. I have witnessed first hand all three of these laws being used to prosecute people in Thailand and each time it was prostitution. Why? Because of this:

PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT be. E. 2539 (1996).

The name of the Act. The laws that were used to prosecute them were in this act. Therefore, in Thailand if one breaks one of the laws in the act, it is prostitution in Thailand. I do not care what any of you guys say. Why? Because this is Thailand, not the US, not Japan, not the UK. Anyone that is prosecuted in Thailand under this act and any of the sections of this act is being prosecuted for prostitution in Thailand. For that reason, PROSTITUTION IS ILEGAL IN THAILAND.

End of story.

ET out.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2981284]Been posted up in Pattaya. I do not know one [B]International Trick[/B] that has been scammed by a a prostitute (bar girl?[/QUOTE]Bro. Our office is full of them weekly. I will tell you some horror stories that will make you cringe, laugh, and cry all at the same time. The biggest amount we have had was 30 million baht. Imagine that? Guys thinking with their smaller head instead of the big one mate.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981434]You guys have done a great job making the Pattaya thread utterly useless now. If anyone wants to post there or read about Pattaya they must weed through pages of dribble on prostitution legal arguments between people without any legal background in Thailand.

Hopefully, this will move this topic over to the thread where it really belongs. I was not going to do this, but for the sake of the Pattaya section being left completely irrelevant, here goes.

If prostitution in Thailand is legal, why is there a whole written law about prostitution describing all the specific situations?.[/QUOTE]Allowing a claim that "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand" to go unchallenged in a Pattaya Reports thread, a Bangkok Reports thread, or any other P4 P thread on an International Sex Guide website is tantamount to allowing a claim that Pattaya is 100 kilometers North of Bangkok and evening flights begin at 7 am in an International Tourist Travel Guide website.

Allowing repeated claims by new and different "guides" to go unchallenged is only contributing to significant nonsense and blather everywhere in the Thailand forums. Hardly a moot point. Hardly a useless exercise to challenge it every time it is asserted.

One obvious example: How many hundreds of thousands of hot young province girls choose not to risk a "life of crime" in the business because they and their family have fallen for the ongoing effort in and out of the legal community to create the false impression that consenting adults exchanging money for sex is a crime in Thailand?

And, as for the presumed purpose of this entire website, how could perpetuating the falsehood that, oh don't worry because it is "rarely" enforced, but getting busted for the simple act of exchanging money for sex in Thailand could get you busted, arrested, indicted, jailed and banned from the Kingdom for life, possibly be good for promoting or encouraging international mongers to choose Thailand over other destinations, attracting more of those hot young province girls to the call of monetary duty, expanding and improving sex traveler options rather than inhibiting and closing them?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2981456]Allowing a claim that "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand" to go unchallenged in a Pattaya Reports thread, a Bangkok Reports thread, or any other P4 P thread on an International Sex Guide website is tantamount to allowing a claim that Pattaya is 100 kilometers North of Bangkok and evening flights begin at 7 am in an International Tourist Travel Guide website.

Allowing repeated claims by new and different "guides" to go unchallenged is only contributing to significant nonsense and blather everywhere in the Thailand forums. Hardly a moot point. Hardly a useless exercise to challenge it every time it is asserted.

One obvious example: How many hundreds of thousands of hot young province girls choose not to risk a "life of crime" in the business because they and their family have fallen for the ongoing effort in and out of the legal community to create the false impression that consenting adults exchanging money for sex is a crime in Thailand?

And, as for the presumed purpose of this entire website, how could perpetuating the falsehood that, oh don't worry because it is "rarely" enforced, but getting busted for the simple act of exchanging money for sex in Thailand could get you busted, arrested, indicted, jailed and banned from the Kingdom for life, possibly be good for promoting or encouraging international mongers to choose Thailand over other destinations, attracting more of those hot young province girls to the call of monetary duty, expanding and improving sex traveler options rather than inhibiting and closing them?[/QUOTE]Put it where it belongs I say, my bet is admin will move it soon anyways so why wait? Do what I did. Move it yourself. Anyways, so here is the guy "me" listing all the laws that say prostitution is illegal and now the debate has shifted to it being a relevant topic for the Pattaya threads, yet no rebuttals from you about the clear logic and facts I presented. You said you wanted someone to point out what laws make prostitution illegal in Thailand. I laid it all out on a silver platter for you and everyone else. So can you prove to me that these laws I quoted still make prostitution legal in Thailand?

The only answers I got from you is that how could it be illegal if thousands of Isaan girls come to work in this trade every year so how could it be illegal. What about gambling? Its illegal in Thailand yet thousands of people risk it each day and participate in it. Or if the government made it illegal it would be bad for tourism. That makes no sense for proving that Im wrong. Illegal immigration was allowed to happen in the US for years. As you know Tooms, it's Thailand. You know as well as anyone else that it is tolerated. The Thai government knows they cant stop it. Read what I said about why people get busted. Why are there crackdowns in Thailand? Because someone got hurt and lost face. Or the country lost face. Look at my examples. You can't deny it. Its also illegal in Thailand to falsify documents to get a visa in Thailand, yet thousands of visa agents each year process initial non- O visa applications based on retirement without the foreigner having the 800,000 Baht in the bank. Thousands of foreigners open companies in Thailand with nominee Thai shareholders, only a handful get caught out of thousands. Because these illegal activities happen so often and are allowed or tolerated for obvious reasons, does that make them legal now. Hell no !!! Does it make sense to you now? I will make it even simpler. The answer is, its Thailand. End of story.

So if you cant present clear arguments refuting my claim that prostitution is illegal in Thailand by quoting Thai law, then its the same as you saying nobody can prove to you its illegal. However, I have just done that. So, I can now say that nobody has been able to show me one Thai law that says prostitution is legal lol.


Prove to me that if someone breaks one of these laws from section 5, 6 or 7 that its not illegal or not prostitution. Can you do that ?

Why does this act exist if prostitution is legal ? Answer that can you? Do the Thais just write laws for the sake of writing them, but never enforce them. Maybe. The reality in Thailand is some laws are selectivity enforced. Vaping is illegal right ? Walk into a soi 6 bar or club on walking street. See how many girls and guys are vaping? Does that make it legal ?

Game set match !



Anyways always a pleasure Tooms. However I much prefer commenting on your mongering posts and very much enjoy reading them as well over this kind of stuff. Philip will be next lol. I saw him online no doubt reading my post. He is like a busy beaver trying to find info to challenge my claims. All the power to him. I welcome it.

I'm (68 m) seeking a serious long-term relationship with an attractive educated (bachelor or masters degree) woman age 45-55 years old with good English skills. There are some on OLD sites including TF. But HOW TO MAKE IT WORK, logistically? Can't bring her to USA and I don't want to live full time outside the USA. IS THIS A USELESS ENDEAVOR?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2981456]
And, as for the presumed purpose of this entire website, how could perpetuating the falsehood that, oh don't worry because it is "rarely" enforced, but getting busted for the simple act of exchanging money for sex in Thailand could get you busted, arrested, indicted, jailed and banned from the Kingdom for life, possibly be good for promoting or encouraging international mongers to choose Thailand over other destinations, attracting more of those hot young province girls to the call of monetary duty, expanding and improving sex traveler options rather than inhibiting and closing them?[/QUOTE]Sorry Tooms. I forgot to comment on this. The Thai government does not want to openly expand and improve sex traveller options. Thailand does not want to openly promote or encourage international mongers to choose Thailand over other destinations. Therefore. Thailand does not want to openly attract more young girls from the province to work in the sex industry in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket for example. For the life of me, I can't figure out your logic on this. Alas, you might be able to answer these questions, but I am sure you will skip over the other ones in my post below very conveniently LOL.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2981485]I'm (68 m) seeking a serious long-term relationship with an attractive educated (bachelor or masters degree) woman age 45-55 years old with good English skills. There are some on OLD sites including TF. But HOW TO MAKE IT WORK, logistically? Can't bring her to USA and I don't want to live full time outside the USA. IS THIS A USELESS ENDEAVOR?[/QUOTE]Yes. You can't go right and can't go left. You literally answered your own question mate. You are actually selfish to think an educated Thai lady who is attractive will be with you without being allowed to see you in the US and with only you coming Thailand at your convenience. I would go as far to say that this idea of yours is a very selfish one and a little ridiculous. A fantasy of yours at best.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981474]Put it where it belongs I say, my bet is admin will move it soon anyways so why wait? Do what I did. Move it yourself. Anyways, so here is the guy "me" listing all the laws that say prostitution is illegal and now the debate has shifted to it being a relevant topic for the Pattaya threads, yet no rebuttals from you about the clear logic and facts I presented. You said you wanted someone to point out what laws make prostitution illegal in Thailand. I laid it all out on a silver platter for you and everyone else. So can you prove to me that these laws I quoted still make prostitution legal in Thailand?

The only answers I got from you is that how could it be illegal if thousands of Isaan girls come to work in this trade every year so how could it be illegal. What about gambling? Its illegal in Thailand yet thousands of people risk it each day and participate in it. Or if the government made it illegal it would be bad for tourism. That makes no sense for proving that Im wrong. Illegal immigration was allowed to happen in the US for years. As you know Tooms, it's Thailand. You know as well as anyone else that it is tolerated. The Thai government knows they cant stop it. Read what I said about why people get busted. Why are there crackdowns in Thailand? Because someone got hurt and lost face. Or the country lost face. Look at my examples. You can't deny it. Its also illegal in Thailand to falsify documents to get a visa in Thailand, yet thousands of visa agents each year process initial non- O visa applications based on retirement without the foreigner having the 800,000 Baht in the bank. Thousands of foreigners open companies in Thailand with nominee Thai shareholders, only a handful get caught out of thousands. Because these illegal activities happen so often and are allowed or tolerated for obvious reasons, does that make them legal now. Hell no !!! Does it make sense to you now? I will make it even simpler. The answer is, its Thailand. End of story.

So if you cant present clear arguments refuting my claim that prostitution is illegal in Thailand by quoting Thai law, then its the same as you saying nobody can prove to you its illegal. However, I have just done that. So, I can now say that nobody has been able to show me one Thai law that says prostitution is legal lol.


Prove to me that if someone breaks one of these laws from section 5, 6 or 7 that its not illegal or not prostitution. Can you do that ?

Why does this act exist if prostitution is legal ? Answer that can you? Do the Thais just write laws for the sake of writing them, but never enforce them. Maybe. The reality in Thailand is some laws are selectivity enforced. Vaping is illegal right ? Walk into a soi 6 bar or club on walking street. See how many girls and guys are vaping? Does that make it legal ?

Game set match !



Anyways always a pleasure Tooms. However I much prefer commenting on your mongering posts and very much enjoy reading them as well over this kind of stuff. Philip will be next lol. I saw him online no doubt reading my post. He is like a busy beaver trying to find info to challenge my claims. All the power to him. I welcome it.[/QUOTE]While you have not presented 1 substantiated fact, quote, sentence, phrase, word or syllable from the Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act or any other legally enforceable edict to support your claim that consenting adults exchanging sex for money is a crime in Thailand and have only repeated unsubstantiated anecdotes about this or that qualifier and tangential behavior related to the act of prostitution being a crime, here is my evidence to refute your side and support my side of it on those same terms:

1. Every fact, quote, sentence, phrase, word and syllable in the Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act and any other legally enforceable edict that does NOT state or suggest that consenting adults exchanging sex for money is a crime. Which happens to be 100% of them.

2. The number of arrests, indictments and convictions for customers for or providers of the act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money in Thailand without any of those qualifiers or tangential behaviors being the actual charges since the beginning of time. Which happens to be exactly 0/ zero.

A single reading of The Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act and every other Act submitted by anyone here or elsewhere trying to convince the world that something that does not exist really does exist makes it abundantly clear that Thais write laws pertaining to prostitution solely for the purpose of preventing the country from appearing to condone it as a legitimate business rather than a discrete and personal decision between consenting adults, it being publically flaunted or openly and shamefully advertised, creating a public nuisance in the process of selling sex for money, disturbing the peace in that same endeavor, etc such that it makes the country lose Face and look bad with regard to moral judgement, to prevent traffickers, pimps, recruiters and other third parties who do not perform or provide the service from profiting from it, unless that person is financially dependent on the income of the "gee, lookie here, I guess it IS legal to engage in Prostitution after all" prostitute, someone being forced into it, engaging in it with people under the designated legal age and so on.

All of the Codes, Acts and edicts ever written illustrate as clear as daylight that Thailand goes to almost comical extremes to AVOID stumbling into so much as a three word phrase that might be misunderstood by anyone to mean "Prostitution Is Illegal" in Thailand.

Enjoyed it, EThai!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981440]Bro. Our office is full of them weekly. I will tell you some horror stories that will make you cringe, laugh, and cry all at the same time. The biggest amount we have had was 30 million baht. Imagine that? Guys thinking with their smaller head instead of the big one mate.[/QUOTE]My favorite one of all time is the guy who thought he bought an elephant farm and was going to work there everyday as if he really was the owner. The bar girl had told the people at the elephant sanctuary that the guy would be coming to do volunteer work everyday, before she ran off with the money that he handed over to her to buy the place.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981487]Sorry Tooms. I forgot to comment on this. The Thai government does not want to openly expand and improve sex traveller options. Thailand does not want to openly promote or encourage international mongers to choose Thailand over other destinations. Therefore. Thailand does not want to openly attract more young girls from the province to work in the sex industry in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket for example. For the life of me, I can't figure out your logic on this. Alas, you might be able to answer these questions, but I am sure you will skip over the other ones in my post below very conveniently LOL.[/QUOTE]The purpose of "this entire website" has nothing to do with what the Thai government wants. Quite the opposite. The presumed purpose of "this entire website" is for the very reason you post reports and guidance for how, where and for how much to get sex in exchange for money or for free around the globe, Thailand included.

Also, to get it without getting ripped off, overpaying too much, getting too little for the money and, here it comes, without suffering potential legal consequences.

And to the end of the latter, purpose, falsely claiming that the simple act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money in Thailand is illegal runs counter to what "this entire website" is about. By contrast, substantiating that the act of prostitution between consenting adults is not illegal in Thailand serves the purpose of this website quite well.

Yes, if you want to read word after word after word from the Thai government trying to "prevent" and / or "suppress" an act they can not bring themselves to simply state is a crime in order to counter exactly the presumed purpose of "this entire website", meaning ISG and not the Thai government, but are hoping rumor and innuendo will do it for them, I direct you to The Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act and virtually every post on "this entire website" stating casually or arguing repeatedly the false claim that "Prositution is Illegal in Thailand".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2981500]

Enjoyed it, EThai![/QUOTE]Me too mate. Debates don't need to be full of insults and flames. One of these days you and I need to go on a hunt together in BKK. Have a good rest of the weekend mate.

I met a ISG Brother tonight. He invited me for an excellent diner. Then he showed me a massage place and introduced me [I]his girl[/I] that gives an excellent massage. He then showed me two hotels in the area and gave me the thumbs up on one and thumbs down on the other. This is why I give to ISG. Because I have met so many of my fellow ISG brothers that have helped me along this journey to achieve competence in the [B]International Trickin[/B] game.

[B]A collective thanks to all the ISG brothers out there who have contributed to my growth (you know who you are)[/B] I hope this is a reminder that there so much more positivity to be gained by cooperation than by confrontation. To all that have given me a complement publicly or privately. [B]Thank you[/B]! It is the fuel that drives me to continue providing usable intelligence on having sex with girls. Even the most devastating bomb cannot achieve its objective without accurate targeting information. I appreciate my ISG brothers that understand the concept.

Can anyone recommend methods to look into finding a long term partner from Thailand?

I used tinder in Mexico but that one fell through. I found that Mexican girls have largely become westernized.

[QUOTE=Appalachian;2982436]Can anyone recommend methods to look into finding a long term partner from Thailand?[/QUOTE]Walk around meeting people and ask them out.