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Thanks for your excellent report on the maid scene.

I am usually in HK for just one weekend; so I need to succeed in on the same day.

Back 2004, I succeeded twice in a row, on a Saturday and then on a Monday at Laguna (wiht Indonesian maids). Then success again in 2005. But since then my luck has run out: sometimes I dance and make-out with a girl, only to get "next week" when I pop the question; sometimes, as you say, the girl turns out to be P4P and a maid simultaneously. I think it has become tougher for two reasons: more people know about it, so as you say, the girls are getting lots of propositions; I am older and less competitive.

Anyway, the bump and grind and make-out sessions you can get at the Wan Chai discos is sometimes more fun than sex.

[QUOTE=Race Track]Thanks for your excellent report on the maid scene.

I am usually in HK for just one weekend; so I need to succeed in on the same day.

Back 2004, I succeeded twice in a row, on a Saturday and then on a Monday at Laguna (wiht Indonesian maids). Then success again in 2005. But since then my luck has run out: sometimes I dance and make-out with a girl, only to get "next week" when I pop the question; sometimes, as you say, the girl turns out to be P4P and a maid simultaneously. I think it has become tougher for two reasons: more people know about it, so as you say, the girls are getting lots of propositions; I am older and less competitive.

Anyway, the bump and grind and make-out sessions you can get at the Wan Chai discos is sometimes more fun than sex.[/QUOTE]I am gonna be in HK from Tuesday till 20-oct. I found a few maids that want to meet me via website cherryblossoms, however most of these maids are looking for love and want to be taken away to a western country. However I have found a cutie that wants to spend some time with me and we spoke about shagging like rabbits on many occations (via yahoo messager) actually its all we talk about last few days. So maybe have ago see if you can meet someone online before you get there. Again will take a lot of your time chatting to them and sweetening them.

Red

Where would you recommend I got for a morning shag? I've heard 8 Mongkok was open 24 hours, but haven't seen much about the place on our forum recently. Are YS places 24 hours?

Thanks in advance.

My greatest respect, Crazy Ami, for your detailed and really helpful report. Not much to add. Just another tip: try to find out if they have a curfew and at what time. The best bet is with girls "living out" because they are more flexible in their timing and can spend the whole night with you. PI are more likely than Indos to "live out".

Cheers,

Zuzon X

[QUOTE=Crazy Ami]So, you've seen them around, walking in TST, Wan Chai, and Causeway Bay on the weekends, sometimes it seems like half of HK is Filipina and Indonesian. Every Sunday and public holiday, there they are, taking up space on the sidewalks, in McDonalds, KFC, anywhere there's an empty spot.

Only problem is, some of them are HOT. Makes you stop and take a second look, maybe even a third. And I'll tell you now, if they're not wearing one of those Indonesian half-burkas, they're probably looking back at you. The great part is, most of these girls can be had with minimal (although not zero) investment of time and money, and will generally perform quite well.

So what do you do about it? Well, I'm here to part with some of my recently obtained wisdom. Hopefully it can help some of my fellow hunters.

CAVEAT: I'm a young-ish gwei-lo (whitey). I can't tell you how well my places work for non-Caucasians, but I'd imagine if you're nice and speak decent English, you have a shot. I've seen firsthand that it DOES work for gwei-los of any age/physique. And I'm not talking about the 35-40 yr old mamas who you can meet on the webcam sites, these are early-to-mid 20s girls in their prime.

CAVEAT #2: This is only a report of where I've been and my personal methods. As with all reports, YMMV and if you've anything to add, please do!

Part I: The Places
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Wan Chai
Obviously, this is the place to go for your standard pick-up. Yes, there are a number of freelancers about on Sundays, but most of the women in New Makati, Laguna, and Neptune II are just domestic helpers who like to dance. Most of them are open to dancing with anyone as long as you don't jump up and try to grope and grind at first glance. I would avoid Fenwicks/Joe Bananas, unless you want the P4P on Sunday. The crowds usually start getting in around 3 or 4, but it varies on the day and the weather. Guaranteed, show up at 6 and they will be packed.

Pros: Lots of women in dance outfits, drinking and having a good time. Since they're not professionals, drinks for them are normal price. Also, if you're looking for a one-night stand, this is probably the best place to go. Easiest place to find a girl.

Cons: Most of these girls have been approached probably 5 times that day before you saw them, so they know the tricks; might be a bit tougher to seal the deal. Also, as with club girls anywhere, they will be more apt to gold-dig and play tricks. Finally, you might lose all of your work for a free lay when they turn out to be a P4P girl.

How to get there (for the newbies): At Wan Chai MTR, take the Lockhart Rd exit and look left when you get to the street; you can't miss the huge sign for New Makati. Laguna is a block farther down on the right corner, and Neptune is one street over, on Jaffe Rd, also with a big sign. Despite what the signs say, if you don't have a crew cut (US Navy), you don't have to pay a cover, ever. Tipping the bartender helps at New Makati; not so much at the other 2 places.

Causeway Bay - Victoria Park
Where the normal girls come out to play. A nice park with good facilities and lots of girls. I've seen this place mentioned on the forum as a good place to find the normal girls, but personally, it's not a favorite. I also noticed many more Indonesians than Filipinas, which is also evidenced by the number of Indonesian restaurants and markets around Causeway Bay.

Pros: LOTS of girls. The park is literally stuffed with them. Also a good number of locals here too (they have a model boat pool, which is a first for me), however I only saw a small number of gwei-los. You get a LOT of stares.

Cons: It's a very open park, not too many private places for conversation; you might feel as you're sticking out like a sore thumb, like I was, for the same reason as in the Pros section. Biggest con: a LOT of religious girls like to hang out here. Actually saw a few on the prayer rugs when I was there, and much more in the half-burka. Not exactly a good sign for the guy hoping to pick up.

How to get there: Causeway Bay MTR, follow the signs; hard to miss.

Central/Tsim Sha Tsui - The Public Areas
Filipina headquarters. So much so that there are special ads in Tagalog put up for the day, salespeople handing out Tagalog flyers, and official signs for "Do not Litter" in English, Chinese, and you guessed it, Tagalog. Walk anywhere on the skywalks between Central MTR/Hong Kong MTR/Star Ferry in Central and any of the public places near the Star Ferry in TST (Space Museum, Cultural Museum, Museum of Art, Olympic Rings) and you'll see them everywhere.

Pros: As an AC veteran, I love the Filipina woman. It brings me back, and I like using my pidgin Tagalog when I can, they always get a kick out of it. Their English is usually better than their Indonesian counterparts. Again, lots of girls to choose from.

Cons: Pretty much the same as Victoria Park, except here, the hard part isn't the religious ones as much as the older/less attractive ones who will do their damndest to repel you and/or take you for themselves. Be careful.

How to get there: Take the Star Ferry from Central or Wan Chai. At the TST pier, take a right from the exit and walk. Can't miss 'em.

TST - Kowloon Park
I would say this is the best place other than Wan Chai to try your skills for a number of reasons. A huge park, but with a lot of attractions, such as fountains and a full-on aviary, complete with cockatoos (loved getting one of my girls to say that).

Pros: Lots of girls, both Indonesian and Filipina. Seemed to be smaller groups than CWB or Central, more friends than clans/hometown groups. Also lots of people here from many different places (when I went I noticed lots of Nepalese/Pakistani/Indian/African, most likely due to the mosque that's also in the park, but positively, didn't see that many headscarves on the girls). Seemed to be easier to "fit in" the crowd there. A lot more secluded/semi-private areas, especially around the aviary, which might give guys some extra confidence to start walking up to the girls.

Cons: One of the girls I was with said she was scared to walk alone in Kowloon Park, though she wouldn't say why (although I think she was nervous around non-Chinese Asians/Africans, from the environment during the conversation). Some of the girls bring their owners' children to the park too, so I would stay away from those groups.

How to get there: TST MTR station and follow the signs, or from TST Star Ferry, take Canton Road all the way until it's in front of you, about a 5-10 min. walk.

Part II: The Method
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First rule: Be friendly and "gentlemanly." They all know what you're after, but at the same time, they've got their own dreams that you can fulfill. If you come up to a girl and ask her for her number/invite her to your place right away, it won't work (unless she's P4P, and you've saved yourself the effort!). For foreigners, in this scene, the "nice guy" seems to do better than the "rebel," as long as you can sweeten them with talk.

Second rule: Give it some time. You're rarely going to get a girl to go with you the first night (unless you get them wasted in Wan Chai, and then your chances will increase if you can get the friends away). After you chat them up for a while, maybe buy a few drinks or whatever, you can trade numbers. Text them a couple of times during the week, and they'll most likely see you again, alone, next Sunday. They just need that feeling during the first time that you're not out for the lay alone (even if you are).

Third rule: Don't become Uncle Pennybags, but don't be a miser, either. DO NOT give them cash if they ask for it. These girls are scammers, and not worth your time (even though you may have expended a lot of it getting to that point). However, treat them well, and they'll treat you well. I generally take them to a decent restaurant with food from their home country (I recommend Cinta-J in Wan Chai or Padang in CWB) on the first meetup. After that, it's smooth sailing.

Protip #1: In the parks, bring a camera/cameraphone. It's a great conversation starter. Find some girls near an "interesting" photo, and ask them to take your photo in front of it. Then, ask to take their picture. If they seem interested, your conversation is started for you.

Protip #2: Get a prepaid SIM card available at any little mobile shop (I use one from Peoples, which you can get at any 7-11) if you want to keep it separate from prying eyes and/or you're worried about them harassing you after you've left them.

Protip #3: Part on good terms and/or treat the friends better. The bamboo telegraph works just as good here as in the PI or Indonesia. Don't want to thin the pool out for the future.

Protip #4: Work on their schedule. Most of these girls need to be back at their owners' place either Sunday night or early Monday morning; FIND OUT, and then give yourself time for the most important activity of the day.

and finally, Protip #5: Keep 'em around for a while. These kinds of girls tend to get better on repeat experiences. The girl I recently picked up was very shy on the first time, and much better the second.

Conclusion
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These girls are great for people who live in HK or visit frequently. They can only see you on Sundays, so they can't invade your personal life like a girlfriend could, they almost never ask for money/gifts, and they're usually very accommodating in bed. However, they take some work, and are definitely no substitute for a good P4P experience at 37 Dundas or a good sauna in Macau.

I've included a picture of one of my girls (22, Indonesian) for "reference." I hope this report has been helpful to someone on this board, and I look forward to seeing others' reports on hunting the lovely domestic helpers of Hong Kong.

Cheers,
Crazy Ami[/QUOTE]

Crazy Ami, thanks for your helpful post.

I'm in Hong Kong 2-3 times a year and have always wanted to find Filipino girls to date or for short-term companionship, not for sex. Sex is easy in Hong Kong. But sometimes, I just want someone fun to hang out with who speaks my language.

Where do you think these girls hang out ALONE? I don't wanna approach some girl in sitting in some large Filipino group on Statue Square. There must be a place where they hang out by themselves.

Thanks, everyone, for your feedback. Some replies:

Race Track: I agree, sometimes the bump and grind is just as fun as picking up, especially if you're drunk and don't want the morning after shock of what you woke up next to! ;-) If you're only in HK for the weekend, I recommend Red Hawk's technique of the dating websites, although you should be careful about them too (more below).

Red Hawk: Best of luck to you! Although I haven't tried the websites for HK, I have heard tons of horror stories about the girls using them in the PI. Either they bring their friends to the meet, turn out to be P4P, they look *much* different than their pictures, or they're out for gold-digging (although with your short schedule, I hope that won't happen). Let us know how it proceeds!

Zuzon X: Thanks, and I agree, knowing the curfew is important! I tend to shy away from the live-out girls, as I want someone who won't bother me during the week! :-) I hooked up with one Indonesian live-out girl who was inviting me to go out almost every other night; she wanted to put her "stamp" on me in Laguna, to say off-limits to everyone else. Had to put a stop to that!

FurryFriend: When have you ever known Filipina girls to hang out alone?? :-) I haven't seen it much in Hong Kong. I would think though, that your best shot is to go to Wan Chai early Sunday afternoons, and walk around the bars, coffee shops, and small food places around Lockhart Road. You might find a few loners waiting for their friends to show up before they hit the clubs. Pacific Coffee (on Lockhart and Fenwick St, just above Fenwick's Club) is a good place to start.

~Crazy Ami

I have had my best early morning experiences by standing on the ground near the elevator of my hotel. What you get is last nights take away who is now heading for home. Make eye contact and smile. If she responds, go to the coffee shop, buy her some food and make your deal. My success rate is about 95%.
'bare

Gentlemen,

First let me say that this forum is a great resource to many who travel to ASIA and I have learned from every post.

I will be in Hong Kong on 10/20 and 10/21 and will be staying at the LKF Hotel, it seems to be a trendy hotel in a very HOT area. I am curious if anyone knows if this is a girl friendly hotel?

On another note I am looking for a more mature experience this time in Hong Kong, someone above the age of 35 who offers class and style.

Any of you gentlemen have a recommendation for me?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Denny1234]Ordered girl on hongkongescort.com, as I like to know my lady, I chose from here [url]http://www.hongkongescort.com/rate.html[/url] "1 DAY"

They told via phone HKD 7K, although they state 5800 on their www, I agreed, just told if I do not like the girl I will send her back (as it was "blind" order). I even made sure - they were telling "she will leave tomorrow 7AM" so I told "Yeah but tomorrow TOMORROW, right ? "YES" they answered. Again I say "MONDAY, right ? " "YES". "OK".

Anyway - pretty girl came around 3AM Sunday, liked her, kept her. Have had really great sex (4AM to 5AM ) and went to sleep. To my surprise 8AM she was like "OK I am going". I told het "No dear, you got it wrong, you go tomorrow". So she called agency again, they confirmed, then she left. Agency called me told me same BS.

I mean the girl was great, really great sex, but if I knew this I would pay i.e. "HK$2,000 for three hours". I feel abused now :)[/QUOTE]


The sex hunt is all about learning from your experiences. True, you paid too much, but in the future, because of this experience, you will be a better hunter. We have all made mistakes at one time or another in this sex game and moved on to be better hunters (most of us anyway).

As a tip, if you want a lovely girl to spend all night and even the day with you at a reasonable price or very little money, the best place to do this is Thailand. Tons of hot looking girls can be had on the cheap to stay with you all day and night. AND--they love white guys--unlike girls in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is not the place for cheap all nighters, unless she is dirt ugly. The Hong Kong girls are about making the money and moving on (as you have learned when you gave a large sum of money and the girl still wanted to leave--she could care less about your feelings or the fairness of the situation). The Thai girls IN Thailand take more of an interest in you, generally speaking resulting in a more GFE.

Check out the Thailand post for great info. Plus, the massage outlets in Thailand are way cheaper and 100% better than Hong Kong. I like 37D, but seeing 3 or 4 girls at 37D is nothing like seeing 40+ hot looking girls behind a glass window in Bangkok. Plus you get 2 hours with them for about $50.

Don't get me wrong, I love Hong Kong--that's why I live here. But, different cities offer different sex experiences and for what you are looking for, Thailand (or even PI) would be your best bet. Hong Kong is for short time sex. For the amount you paid in HK, you could have had a lovely hot looking young Thai girl stay with you for 3 to 5 days in Thailand and be your girlfriend. I know from personal experience because I have done it.

Bottom Line: If you love Chinese girls (the way I do) and want a safe and fun place, Hong Kong is the spot. If you want HOT young girls (over 18) that will take an interest in you, are sweet, bang you good, and offer a GFE, at very low cost, Thailand is the place.

I was in Hong Kong for vacation a little under two weeks ago and got a chance to visit Apple in Tsim Sha Tsui. Champagne Court B from the ****** site (who I actually can't find on the site anymore). Originally I wasn't planning on any fun as it was an r&r vacation with family but I had some time on my hands, free internet (though it was difficult visiting "these" types of sites in open public view) at the Sheraton on Nathan Road (amazing, amazing hotel by the way.- I'd recommend it for any traveler who can afford it).

My requirements were that 1.) the girl be located in Tsim Sha Tsui as that's where I was staying and I wanted it to be within walking distance given that it was my first time to Hong Kong and 2.) she had to understand English. I'm Chinese Canadian myself and understand Cantonese, but admittedly it's not that great. I can get by as I learned it informally from my parents and family, but have no idea how to say things like, "blowjob" or "I want to shoot cum on your face". This thus left me with very few choices and so I chose Apple and for $480 HKD I went with a massage + body massage (in Canada we'd call it bodyslide) + shower + BBBJ (Apple wouldn't allow cim or tc) + sex (with condom.- just so nobody gets confused or asks).

Prior to this I had no knowledge or experience of the Hong Kong scene as I never thought I'd actually partake in it (this was intended as my shopping and rest & relaxation vacation) so at the Sheraton lobby's internet machines, I did about an hour of reading here and Google'ing.

For the newbie or foreigner, the girls here seem to operate in a one girl per room/apartment operation (similar to how the Asian incalls work in Canada and it's now obvious to me where the idea came from) with guys young and old milling about outside checking out the doorfront photos (if there are any) or waiting their turn. It made me a bit nervous as in Canada something like this would immediately alert the neighbours and warrant a call to the police to shut down the operation, but the mongers in Hong Kong were quite friendly it seemed as we all were looking for the same thing. Anyways, I find the building (not easy! ) and apartment unit, knock on Apple's door, she looks decent enough if about 10+ years older than her online ad/profile states, but it's acceptable and I tell her, Alright let's get it on.

We start with Apple giving me a massage on the bed (a sleeping bed, not a massage bed) which is pretty good actually. She has strong arms for someone of slim/medium build, maybe 110 lbs and only about 5'2". This goes on for about twenty minutes upon which I turn over and she starts giving me a handjob. However, I look over to my clothes and notice that she must've gone through the pockets as they're no longer neatly folded (something I always intentionally do specifically so I'll know if any girl tries to go through my wallet when I'm not in the room) and I make a mental note to check my things before leaving. Since I've already given her the money though and I do want to cum, I continue with the session.

Next up is the body massage in the washroom/toilet. I take a quick rinse in the shower, Apple joins me and we lather each other up in soap at which point she tells me to sit on the toilet (there's no cover on it) and begins rubbing and sliding her body and 34Bs all over me. I can now see why bodyslides are so popular! Fucking her tits, I could've cum right there but I hold off as I want the main event. After five minutes of this we wash ourselves down and head back to the bed where she begins giving me an uncovered blowjob with specific mention to not cum in her mouth. Maybe only two minutes of this she stops and says it's time to fuck. Mentally I know I've only been here only half an hour at this point and realize it's not $480 HKD for an hour, it's for an hour or until I cum once.- whichever happens first. Essentially at this point I think she's trying to rush things and knowing that the rest of the session isn't going to be relaxed or sensual, I begin pounding her in missionary, doggy and missionary again until I cum. In and out it's been 45 minutes but at $480 HKD I have no complaints. That was $63 CAN ( $55 USD for my American friends) at the time and in comparison, for the same service and time spent in Canada it would've cost me $160+ at a minimum. I also tried to find that 37 Dundas I read about in other reviews here and thought I did, but the price I was quoted was like $522 HKD and it looked more like an incall than massage/sauna.

Some questions for the knowledgeable Hong Kong mongers though, Are all places like this a cum once only and you're done deal? Hopefully I'll be back again in late winter/early Spring (though again for a shopping trip but I'll make some time for fun).

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Hi Bare,

That's an interesting way to hunt. What time early in the morning do you recommend?

Cheers

Zuzon X

[QUOTE=LuvumBare]I have had my best early morning experiences by standing on the ground near the elevator of my hotel. What you get is last nights take away who is now heading for home. Make eye contact and smile. If she responds, go to the coffee shop, buy her some food and make your deal. My success rate is about 95%.
'bare[/QUOTE]

Applesauce,

Did she take anything from your pockets/wallet?

[QUOTE=Sad Sam]It seems like girls at YS places (like 37 Dundas and K pressure) are much more likely to provide BBBJ / CIM. How about 141 girls? How would you go about asking for it? Also, are the YS places open through the night?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Every girl at 37D will do BBBJ. It is hit or miss with 141 and YS girls. (Strictly speaking, 37D is not a YS. In a YS, you get a room and they bring you a girl. At 37D you choose from a lineup and go to a separate "love hotel.")

37D is open until at least 2, I think maybe even until 4-5. The morning is the only slow/closed time.

[QUOTE=Gman7424]Gentlemen,

First let me say that this forum is a great resource to many who travel to ASIA and I have learned from every post.

I will be in Hong Kong on 10/20 and 10/21 and will be staying at the LKF Hotel, it seems to be a trendy hotel in a very HOT area. I am curious if anyone knows if this is a girl friendly hotel?

On another note I am looking for a more mature experience this time in Hong Kong, someone above the age of 35 who offers class and style.

Any of you gentlemen have a recommendation for me?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

RTFF. This was discussed within the last 4 pages. EVERY HK hotel is girl friendly unless it's a religious hostel or something like that. RTFF.

To sum up, RTFF.

Careful. You asked to see the manager but you didn't really want to see the manager. They're all triad. They won't mess with a gweilo (if you are one), but why stir the pot? The mamas are there for a very defined task--show you the girls, bring you a drink, take your money and see you out the door up to the hotel. They may ask you how you liked it afterward but they are not there for customer service. There basically is no customer service. YMMV in all mongering experiences. Many girls at 37D will do anal, just get back on the horse and try again.

[QUOTE=Wadman]I find myself in Hong Kong for a day, so decide to visit 37 Dundas again. The first visit was good [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=788301&postcount=2201[/url]
but this time? Well, read on...

From previous reports here, it seems that some girls at 37 Dundas do anal. Not wanting to leave anything to chance, I ask the mamasan if she has any girls that will do anal. She says yes. But I have to wait a little bit, because there are not that many of them. Fair enough. After 15 minutes, she brings in "Tina", a bit chubby, from Sichuan province in China. Not wanting to wait any longer, I accept.

We go up a few floors to the hotel, scrub in the shower, quick BBBJ, rather long catbath on the bed. Some more BBBJ, and then stick it into her pussy. When it comes to the anal part, she says no. As in, flatly refuses. I tell her that mamasan told me that she does anal, and that is why I took her. She says she does not, and has never done anal before. Mamasan must have made a mistake, she says.

I asked her to call mamasan on the phone, she refuses. Says she does not remember which mamasan brought her in. This is bullshit of course, as it is the same mamasan who also fetched her to take me upstairs. I asked her 3 times for emphasis, she gives me the same bullshit answer 3 times: can't remember which mamasan.

Meanwhile the clock is ticking of course. 10 minutes have already been spent on this by with only about about 20 minutes left. I thought very hard about getting dressed and walking out. Problem is, I don't think I will get my money back. She offers to blow me to completion. It's either this, or nothing. So I said, fine go ahead. Even the CIM is half-assed, she pulls away as soon as I start shooting.

When I get back to the main floor, it complaining time! I asked the mamasan whether I made it clear enough that I wanted a girl who does anal. She says yes, she understood. So did the girl that she brought me do anal or not?!?! She says, the girl is supposed to. I tell her that the girl flatly refused. Mamasan then says that the girl says I am too big for her arse (in my dreams...). I tell her, that's not what the girl told me: she said that does not do anal, has never done anal before, and mamasan screwed up. Mamasan apologizes of course, but what do I get for that?

This goes on for about 10 minutes. Mamasan then says she needs to talk it over with the other mommies. She stays away for a good 10 minutes. Tired of waiting, I throw the door of the tiny KTV room open. Quick as a flash, one of the mommies come over and tells me that it's company rules to have these doors open. I tell her to get the other mommy back in here, and I will close the door. Sure enough, original mommy comes back quick enough. Another round of the same shit. She offers to bring me another girl, and comped me the hotel room fee of 100 HK$. As if I am in the mood. This is like getting food poisoning at a restaurant, and they apologize by giving you a 20% off coupon for your next meal there.

So now the point becomes why the girl refused to call mommy. Even the mommy thinks it's too far-fetched that the girl cannot remember which mommy brought her. Mommy tells me I could have called myself. Yeah, but the be-atches of a mommies don't introduce themselves, so how am I supposed to know who to ask for? And anyway, since when did that become the customer's responsibility?

Mamasan says I could have called, or walked out earlier, and she would have changed girls for me. I challenge her, whether after 30 minutes, she would really change girls for me FREE OF CHARGE. She skirts the issue, only says that she could have switched girls. "For FREE?" I asked again. She doesn't answer. So there is your answer, it's NO.

I asked to see the manager of the place. Mommy says they don't really have a manager there, just mommies. How about the boss then? He is not here... She says she will get one of the other mommies to come over (to calm me down).

Another mommy enters, and I asked her if she is the manager. She says: yes...sort of. Jeeezus, the lies. Anyway... different mommy, same complaining routine all over again. Same useless apologies from mommy number 2.

On the way out, I see an older mommy standing around. Maybe she has more authority. But yup, you guessed it: same shit again. Same useless, fucking apologies.

Man!!! I have to say this has really left a bad taste in my mouth. 37 Dundas is supposed to be legendary with its service. It wasn't. Complaining didn't do shit, other than get a "sorry". This is what you would expect from mainland China, the "bu hao yisi's" (sorry's). Not Hong Kong. Now I also know why they make you pay upfront. Even in China, they don't make you pay upfront. It's doubtful that I will be back in 37 Dundas after this.

Place: 37 Dundas
Time: Friday, 4 PM
Girl: from Sichuan, a bit chubby
Face: 5
Body: 5
BBBJ: 8
CIM: about 30%
Overall: 1 - plain lousy experience[/QUOTE]