Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Jtdbusiness;1663282]I've never been to Sosua, and just drove through Boca Chica. I'm in the USA and have tomorrow (Thursday) through Sunday available. Should I take a first trip to Sosua or go to Boca Chica / Santo Domingo. I've been online today and have a half dozen specific women interested in meeting me in BC / SD, but no established contacts in POP / Sosua. Which location should I go to? I'm traveling solo.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed the tourist sites in the Capitol and experiencing what BC offered, but Sosua definitely has more women and was much more fun.

[QUOTE=Jtdbusiness;1663282]I've never been to Sosua, and just drove through Boca Chica. I'm in the USA and have tomorrow (Thursday) through Sunday available. Should I take a first trip to Sosua or go to Boca Chica / Santo Domingo. I've been online today and have a half dozen specific women interested in meeting me in BC / SD, but no established contacts in POP / Sosua. Which location should I go to? I'm traveling solo.[/QUOTE]Sosua, hands down. One you are on the ground there and surrounded by all those chicas you will forget about those online contacts, LOL. Trust me. I've tried it many times, but pussy "here and now" always beats "maybe pussy", AKA "A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush".

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663112]That is definitely not the sentiment if you read the last page and a half in the forum. Mostly everyone is saying the exact opposite. You even have guys suggesting to others that they need to go as far as Brazil and Argentina for better service (either destination doesn't sound like a bad idea either).

In my observation it seems that the further you get away from the USA/USA Tourists en mass, the better attitude the women will have.

Sosua: Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.

San Jose (Costa Rica): Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.

The places that are too far to have a large USA Tourists presence don't have as many complaints as the two places listed above. Sure, there will be a handful of p4 p women who will turn out to be duds, but I haven't seen it as prevalent as the DR or CR.

[/QUOTE]Totally on the money. It may very well be not the DR women themselves but their corruption by American men that is causing their bad performance. Tens of thousands of American men visit the DR on a regular basis due to its close proximity. I am not too enamoured of the service I get in Tijuana as well. I would imagine that a Dominicana who has not yet encountered an American should be good GFE. I have not yet been to Cuba but I have to get there before the influx.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1663324]Or like the Old Timers, If you want too keep Fake People around you always.

Act Broke![/QUOTE]You fucked up the saying, LOL. It's "if you want to keep fake people from being around you, act broke. ".

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1663166]About the Brazilian women fucking your brains out that all depends on the woman. I was married to a Brazilian woman. She had an amazing body and a superb bubble ass, but she was the most frustrating to have because she was stuck up as hell and selfish and fuck only when she wanted to. I was frustrated sexually most of the time. After I divorce the witch I became a monger.[/QUOTE]I've never had a relationship with a Brazilian woman. My first encounter with a Brazilian provider was in NYC in the early 70's. She gave me the best sex I had in my life up to that time. I had wondered then if all Brazilian women were like that. Years later I visited Rio and discovered that what I had experienced was the norm for Brazilian providers. Of all the countries in which I have hobbied I have had the best experiences in Brazil. What I like about female cariocas is that they truly enjoy what they do unlike many providers from the DR, Mexico, Costa Rica etc. Marriage seems to bring out the worst in some women. My neighbor broke up with his American GF some years ago and took up with a Dominican immigrant with whom he now lives and they seem to be quite happy together, I recently noticed that she is pregnant. Relationships is a more interpersonal thing and is different from mongering.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663495]You fucked up the saying, LOL. It's "if you want to keep fake people from being around you, act broke. ".[/QUOTE]If you want to keep ALL people from being around you act broke.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1663158]I commented on his post and my advice was contrary to yours. Yes, we all pay, and some have more money than others. Sometimes a lot of guys on this board disdain the WU guys on this board, but you have to keep things in perspective. I at times send "chump change" to two of my regulars in the DR like at Christmas. I was never asked by them to send them money, it was something I did without asking. This is far different than the guy who gets roped into sending money every month to a Chica. You said"a wise monger pays less and gets more with less headaches". I say a wise monger pays a little more and get's a lot with no headaches.[/QUOTE]I think I understand where you are coming from. And I relate to that. In my previous post, I talked about one sending money without expectations. Giving a chica friend a Christmas gift without having expectations that that money is buying you some future reward, now that makes sense. In this instance, you may not be concerned about whether they appreciate it or not. But you may figure the gesture will be received in a positive light. Likely no harm, no foul.

In my previous post, I was talking about how a guy can get caught up thinking he is going to lose some chicas interest or attention if he doesn't comply with a request. Especially a request of him when he isn't there with the woman. The emphasis isn't on whether or not the female appreciates the man complying. The emphasis is on the mans motivation for complying. Is it out of concern of losing the womans interest / superior sexual performance? If so, that's not a good position for a man to be in. I will try to elaborate later, when I attempt to address Mr G's post.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1663353]Your not leaning yet grasshopper! New pussy will play out when you discover real pussy. Right now you are just going through the motions trying to get a high count but quality will win out over quantity eventually. In boxing terms; you are just in the preliminary rounds the championship rounds will come. Its levels to this shit![/QUOTE]LOL so says the man who refuse to get married. My brother I am past the quantity itself game but I still love nu nu. That's why I can only give Sosua a couple of days. I have yet to have a happy hour even though I've been proposition many of times. I don't think there's any quality in that route. I don't like mixing Chardonnay with Merlot just to say I drunk a lot of wine. There are a lot of young women here in my small town waiting for me to slip and settle. However they don't understand the quality I get in the DR minus the bullshit. Last night I put one in the air, read some trip reports, and went to sleep as the new year came in- fuck going out. I will wait until I'm in my quality zone where women are extremely young. My pockets can compensate the age difference and my understanding of this sport can avoid headaches. Guys like you, Ghostface, Olkool, Charles, BQK, DeepImpact, TomJ, Savepro, Sigmund Freud, BoricuaOnline, Camero, and Fannie (yes you too Willona. Good times get it. Of course not) have fast tracked me and a lot us in cycles 1 & 2. If you plan on being with a good chica I can respect the need for a slight investment for future hope. They do it in the church all the time, Fresh is happy. However when it comes to a chicas RFM, if your philosophical value does not have practical purposes aligned with her you lose big. Not just the chump change but the principles of the practical value along with your heart.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1663500]If you want to keep ALL people from being around you act broke.[/QUOTE]AAin't that the damn truth. in Boca Chica I asked the bums for money before they asked me. I always remind them I gave last time now it's your turn. If you can't return the favor don't talk to me no more you are useless. They avoid you like to plague when you remind them they owe you something.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1663500]If you want to keep ALL people from being around you act broke.[/QUOTE]LOL no kidding! When I go to work dressed for success the panhandlers always want to hit me up for money. But if I have on some sweat pants and a hoodie they leave me alone LOL!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1663348]I'm willing to step into this debate. I respect your ability to size up different situations from different angles and come to a logical conclusion but my approach is more basic. I never think about if the girl thinks about my generosity being appreciated because I give freely. I can always no. If she comes when I call her and acts as if she wants to be there and shows me the time of my life, why would I care if she appreciates my hard earned money that I gave freely? Its basic to me, do what I want, how I want, and I will be generous, its not complicated why make it so? Its seems some of us put ourselves on a pedestal and wave the money around asking for things because they are poor. I know you are going to eat that up as being contradictory, but let me explain. I don't look at it as if I'm doing them a favor because they are poor. I look at it as I'm paying them to fulfill my fantasy, nothing more. The benefit about travel for this fantasy is that I'm able to disconnect and go back to my regular life at any time. In America its not that easy to disconnect and live in America without repercussions. Maybe she makes problems in your household or on your job etc. With that said, eventually you will come across one that might be worth more of an investment. Her feelings about how hard I work for my money don't matter to me because its peanuts to me because she is making me happy. Isn't that all that matters? WRX you are right about some things, for instance her tells should be analyzed. Does she spend to much time on the phone? Does she appear uncomfortable with you? Does she rush during sex? Does she make everything, about my happiness at that moment? But does she appreciate how hard I worked for this money is none of her business.

If I'm a trust fund baby or a sanitation worker doesn't play into this as long as she fulfills my fantasy. We tend to want to size up the girl beyond the basics. Its as if we are looking for something to use to our advantage to keep this poor girl in check. For me its not about that because that takes it away from why I travel for this fantasy.[/QUOTE]I apologize for the fact that you probably submitted a comprehensive trip report in the Cuba section, and the answers to my inquiries are probably there. But I'm curious. Aside from you paying for dinner and liquor for everybody, did you give Anna any money or compensation for all of that time she spent with you? I mean before you left Cuba to go home? If not, I can see how she might feel she has to make up for not getting compensated for her time.

Had you worked out any arrangement or discussed anything about compensating her? Probably not! Throughout your time with Anna, even if she never point blank asked you for money, did she ever discuss with you areas where she needs things or money? Not asking directly, but telling you some of her life problems and needs? Moreover, You haven't been with this women for months or years. How likely would it be that eventually you were going to learn as much as she wanted you to know about her shortcomings in life, and where one could help if they wanted to?

What is interesting to me, is that even though she didn't ask for anything while you were together, she didn't waste any time getting around to being direct after you left. A question arises from that; is her not asking for anything when you were together as impressive to you now, since she finally came out and asked directly? For me, I would regard my 1st impression as just me not knowing the girl was playing the waiting game. Not that she really didn't want anything from me. She did want something from me all along. She was just fulfilling my fantasy and not destroying the vibe. Maybe she was hoping for compensation before you left without having to ask. Many young women expect that from dudes older than them.

Are we taking an analytical approach of dealing with Cuba chica as if they are Dr chica. In fac aren't these two chica oranges and apples. The Cuban chica prostitution is not legal. The society is communist. There are many restrictions on their citizens. They really don't deal with American foreigners. Education is free and endorse by the government. They are poor and proud people. They have very little Western influence for years. their country alone is considered the Virgin of the Caribbean. A large percentage of the population is employed by the government. The Cuban people embraces all aspects of their heritage as a sense of pride.
The Dr chica prostitution is legal and big business for a lot of unemployed girls. They have a lot more liberal society. Education falls short for the average citizen. They are majorly influenced by our Western ways. Many are poor and proud but not too proud to beg. In Sosua a lot of girls learn English from the streets. The chicas learn to be hustlers at a young age as a means to provide. A large percentage of the population is unemployed. There is a systematic program already in place for them to cater, hustle, and/or manipulate tourist. The Dominican chica do not embrace their African or Native Dominican heritage only their Spanish. They have no pride in their reflection.
Mr G you may say its pussy but I think it's more that you found a young lady that was educated, culturally aware, sexy, freaky, a squirter clean, and enjoyed pleasing you. It was not all business it was more like - let me show you what I like when you're f****** me daddy. Who the hell wouldn't want to keep a hold of her. Gas6459 is this the reason why you called it a no-brainer and was so quick to take her off Mr G hands. You normally stay quiet in the woods however you jumped out head first on this
Mr G you have had the honors of going to Cuba a place monger rarely go to. One day soon we will have an opportunity to see things through our eyes.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663509]I apologize for the fact that you probably submitted a comprehensive trip report in the Cuba section, and the answers to my inquiries are probably there. But I'm curious. Aside from you paying for dinner and liquor for everybody, did you give Anna any money or compensation for all of that time she spent with you? I mean before you left Cuba to go home? If not, I can see how she might feel she has to make up for not getting compensated for her time.

Had you worked out any arrangement or discussed anything about compensating her? Probably not! Throughout your time with Anna, even if she never point blank asked you for money, did she ever discuss with you areas where she needs things or money? Not asking directly, but telling you some of her life problems and needs? Moreover, You haven't been with this women for months or years. How likely would it be that eventually you were going to learn as much as she wanted you to know about her shortcomings in life, and where one could help if they wanted to?

What is interesting to me, is that even though she didn't ask for anything while you were together, she didn't waste any time getting around to being direct after you left. A question arises from that; is her not asking for anything when you were together as impressive to you now, since she finally came out and asked directly? For me, I would regard my 1st impression as just me not knowing the girl was playing the waiting game. Not that she really didn't want anything from me. She did want something from me all along. She was just fulfilling my fantasy and not destroying the vibe. Maybe she was hoping for compensation before you left without having to ask. Many young women expect that from dudes older than them.[/QUOTE]My first time with Anna she never asked for anything and I never offered, I ditched her for the rest of that trip. The second time she never asked but I slid 30 cuc (about 35 usd) into her purse before she left. What I think happened is that some family members got to her after she probably bragged about her new boyfriend and the family applied the pressure. Interesting though is that she didn't resort to Dominican tactics when I turned her request down. I've had Dominicanas say"I will have to fuck another guy if you don't help me", and "My family says your no good if you don't help me", these tactics kill any vibe we might have had and is my reason to split.

These Cuban women don't beg and use the sob stories like the DR girls do. Understand its a military state where they are told what to do and how to act. A tout can get a year and a day for talking to a tourist. They are strong people who are accustomed to doing without and overcoming all odds against them I have never met more determined people. I took a girl in Cuba an old digital camera that didn't work. She would email me every week saying it was almost fixed and that she was still figuring it out. She said Cubans find a way. Ill be damned if she didn't fix that old as broke phone. Education is free and there are no jobs, so instead of fixing shit some stay in school. The only relationship they have had with foreigners are the Russian and euro guys from the past, they haven't gotten used to hustling Americans on the regular. Damn a report just popped up by GM saying everything I wrote. But WRX you need to go to Cuba soon.

All that is about to change now.

Mr G's key points, I will respond to:

[QUOTE]I don't look at it as if I'm doing them a favor because they are poor. I look at it as I'm paying them to fulfill my fantasy, nothing more. The benefit about travel for this fantasy is that I'm able to disconnect and go back to my regular life at any time. In America its not that easy to disconnect and live in America without repercussions. Maybe she makes problems in your household or on your job etc. With that said, eventually you will come across one that might be worth more of an investment. Her feelings about how hard I work for my money don't matter to me because its peanuts to me because she is making me happy. Isn't that all that matters?

We tend to want to size up the girl beyond the basics. Its as if we are looking for something to use to our advantage to keep this poor girl in check. For me its not about that because that takes it away from why I travel for this fantasy.

As we get older we don't really care about principal as much as we care about finding our happiness. Principal can be based on how you want other people to perceive you. Your friend Fresh is kicking out about 13 k a year to find his happiness, and I respect that, but 120 a few times a year for great sex is respectable for me. This coming from a chica who never asks for money when I'm there.

The four of us went for dinner (I paid) and then for a walk among the historical sites in Havana. At dinner the niece (lets call her Anna) didn't even know how to cut her meat with a knife, I had to help her. See she was from a little country town outside of Havana. We stopped and got some liquor (I paid) and went to the casa. We partied till 2 am and had a great time.

Anna called me before Thanksgiving asking for 120 dollars and I stopped taking her calls refusing her request. I haven't talked to her until last week when I got soft and called to wish her Merry Christmas. She was so excited she screamed and then cried. I was thinking that I almost lost the best sex partner I've ever had over 120 lousy dollars. Parkinsons report made me evaluate the situation. I'm approaching middle age and good sex might not be available as I'm getting older, do I stick with the hour fucks with a condom in Sosua or do I make an investment in this good pussy? I'm headed back to Cuba soon and realize I have to spend money to maintain my contacts and good pussy, but will I do it?[/QUOTE]All of those parts that you wrote gave me cause to reflect on. I was thinking about how you said you are paying for a fantasy, not doing them a favor because they are poor. Now when Anna asked for the $120 and you refused, it appears that sending money was not part of your fantasy. But somehow you made a connection that not sending her the money could potentially mean you losing the best sex partner you ever had, over not sending $120. What did you mean by that?

Now if you meant losing her because you stopped taking her calls, that's one thing. But if you mean you think you would have lost her because you didn't comply with a request for $120, that's a totally different perspective. IMHO, that goes totally against monger logic. Because there is nothing wrong with paying for services or fantasies when they are rendered. Paying forward for services unearned does not guarantee future consideration or performance. After all the performance you got came without giving her $120, correct? If Anna was to stop dealing with you just because you didn't send money, that should be a red flag about what she is really about.

It seems like you are applying both perspectives. You stopped taking her calls, and you refused her request. My concern here is, you are approaching a milestone, but since when does fulfilling ones happiness outshine the principle of an issue, for any man? I always thought as we get older, we are supposed to apply principles more due to increased wisdom and discipline. Perhaps by the time one becomes handicapped and totally dependent on others, then we find ourselves being more selfish and less principled. You are far from that category.

Going back to my original focus: How is she or was she making you happy or fulfilling your fantasy once you returned to your home base? As you said, once you are home you've disconnected. She is in Cuba and you are in the US. You are not living a fantasy with her anymore. If you gave her no money (after all you enjoyed with her) before you left for the states, then you sending her money makes sense. It allows you to compensate her for her time. The man / woman transaction is complete. And it affords you some consideration once you return. But if you gave no compensation when you were together, and refused to send money, she could write you off as a freeloading dude who thinks buying dinners and liquor will get him some free juice. Or at the very least put you on the low priority list when you return. However if she has no other options, and you bring life to her emptiness, then you don't really need to send $120. What she benefits with you being there is probably enough. BTW, your fantasy was fulfilled through her while you were together, and you didn't give her money, correct? Why should that be any different when you return? Is it because you dont think of her as any different than most women who expect to be compensated by a man for their time? No finance?, no romance?

Last point. I'm sure you read me write one of my sayings before. We can only think in one head. Applying it here. What we think in our heads, does not mean the woman is responding or reciprocating accordingly. In other words, a man paying a woman $120 when he isn't with her for maintaining his fantasy, does not mean she is receiving the money and applying it the way he sees it in his head. She may have a totally different idea in her head of what the money means to her, than what it means to you, in your head.

Potentially resulting in you not necessarily getting what you think you are paying for when you return, or in the long run. Somewhere down the road, there may be diminishing returns on that investment. It's just a matter of time to see it unfold. All in all, you know the situation and the woman better than anybody here, and are in a much better position to evaluate what's working from what isn't.

Other than that, we all have the right to enjoy our fantasies and deal with our own fallacies in judgement of others, and at the same time deal with any backlash or consequences. When we are done, we can wake up and get back on track when we feel like it. So enjoy it for what it is worth to you, and for as long as it lasts!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663509]Aside from you paying for dinner and liquor for everybody, did you give Anna any money or compensation for all of that time she spent with you? I mean before you left Cuba to go home? If not, I can see how she might feel she has to make up for not getting compensated for her time.

Had you worked out any arrangement or discussed anything about compensating her? Probably not! Throughout your time with Anna, even if she never point blank asked you for money, did she ever discuss with you areas where she needs things or money? Not asking directly, but telling you some of her life problems and needs? Moreover, You haven't been with this women for months or years. How likely would it be that eventually you were going to learn as much as she wanted you to know about her shortcomings in life, and where one could help if they wanted to?

What is interesting to me, is that even though she didn't ask for anything while you were together, she didn't waste any time getting around to being direct after you left. A question arises from that; is her not asking for anything when you were together as impressive to you now, since she finally came out and asked directly? For me, I would regard my 1st impression as just me not knowing the girl was playing the waiting game. Not that she really didn't want anything from me. She did want something from me all along. She was just fulfilling my fantasy and not destroying the vibe. Maybe she was hoping for compensation before you left without having to ask. Many young women expect that from dudes older than them.[/QUOTE]I'm stealing this and posting it in the Opinions American Women forum! You have just supported ForceSteeler's position (I think he was the one that said it) that all women are just undercover pros. Also supports my theory in that relationships and marriage is a waste of time.

However, Mr. Gogo was not dealing with a prostitute in Cuba, but your post about him "compensating her for her time" makes her sound just like one, hahaha. This also backs up Mr. E's argument about turning "non-pros" into pros. If you have a quote unquote "non-pro", yet still give her money because you figure she expects to be compensated for the time she spent with you, haven't you just turned your non-pro into a full-fledged pro?