Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Adrena;2058916]I read your rookie reports and wasn't impressed. They are old too. I was asking for information related to after Buddha's birthday. Don't tell someone to RTFF if you can't even properly read two posts.

I want a new update because some of the Nightwish Group owners have made their anger known and I want an update on changes which were handed down last Friday before the alcohol was shut off for the holiday.

So, back to my original inquiry. Can someone there tell me what's going on with Soi 6 from 1 pm to 6 pm Currently.[/QUOTE]Can't see the point in asking for updates after one of the many alcohol ban nights when you don't seem to be there and planning a trip that doesn't seem to be tomorrow.

Life starts again after the bans. Everytime, everywhere in Thailand.

Sometime doesn't even stop.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059212]Can't see the point in asking for updates after one of the many alcohol ban nights when you don't seem to be there and planning a trip that doesn't seem to be tomorrow.

Life starts again after the bans. Everytime, everywhere in Thailand.

Sometime doesn't even stop.[/QUOTE]My trip starts on Saturday. It's close enough together that I'd like updates now. I had originally planned on all of August, but I decided to make it July instead.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2059097]But, massage joints are still open so you could check out Soi Honey and Paradise massage. That's honestly what I have been doing in Pattaya during the daytime (not a drinker) as I find the talent there much, much better looking. Paradise Massage in particular, and the whole street + nearby streets like chaiyaporn have massage ladies. Check it out, it's a great daytime area that nobody ever seems to talk about nearly as much as soi 6.[/QUOTE]About a year ago I got a massage from a nice girl in Soi Honey. When we had agreed on a price for the 'extra service' she pulled out a condom. WTF? A CBJ in Pattaya? I paid her for the massage and left. Maybe it was just bad luck or there was a clap explosion at the time, I don't know.

Anyway I agree the talent at the massage joints in that area is often better looking. And you might as well take a look in Soi 13-1 and 13-2.

I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I recommend to use the forum search, to get a balanced idea about Devils Den. The owner promotes it heavily on another forum, so there are probably a fair amount of "modest" reviews and also those who may be concerned to post public reviews that are fair / balanced.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? [/QUOTE]IMHO the line up and average service at Devil's Den is not worth the price.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2059576]I recommend to use the forum search, to get a balanced idea about Devils Den. The owner promotes it heavily on another forum, so there are probably a fair amount of "modest" reviews and also those who may be concerned to post public reviews that are fair / balanced.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. It seems very mixed. I will be cashed up so I will give it a shot as I will regret it if I don't LOL. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Kittens Club is permanently closed.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2059341]I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]DD has been extensively reviewed on this forum. So I really wonder if due effort has been made to do a thorough search. As with almost everything in life, one man's trash is another's treasure. P4 P is no different, so please keep in mind that YMMV.

DD's model is simple. All girls listed on the site look pretty close to reality, some might have more makeup than others. The stuff they all do is clearly documented. If you do the deed onsite, you have to take 2 ladies and the place makes you feel like a pornstar. So if you want to fulfil a fantasy, then this is the place. If you book a lady to visit you at you hotel, then you can ask for just one girl. Prices are all fixed, no negotiation.

The place is owned and run by an America, so is very friendly and patient with all questions. I would suggest you give him a call and ask him everything and even book the girl you want in advance to avoid last minute disappointment.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2060319]
DD's model is simple. All girls listed on the site look pretty close to reality, some might have more makeup than others. The stuff they all do is clearly documented. If you do the deed onsite, you have to take 2 ladies and the place makes you feel like a pornstar. So if you want to fulfil a fantasy, then this is the place. If you book a lady to visit you at you hotel, then you can ask for just one girl. Prices are all fixed, no negotiation.
[/QUOTE]They also offer onsite nuru massage and you can take only 1 girl for this service.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2060339]They also offer onsite nuru massage and you can take only 1 girl for this service.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, but its specialty is the 3-some.

Doing an outcall with one only can be dine eith anyone as long as you are certain about her services.

Within that boundary any can fit.

You don't go to a top sushi restaurant to eat a Kobe steak.

Pattaya was a better experience for me this time than when I first went in 2004. This time I tried out Soi 6. Getting there before 6 PM was the only way I would do it in the future. You can buy them a soda and the lineup is good enough to pick out two for a threesome. But what really stood out for me was the reliability and hidden value of Soi 7. Both in 2004, and this last trip, the understated beer bars came through with gorgeous LT GFE's for me, Happiness Stars back then, and Red Vanda this time. Next time I go I will repeat, (with more financial savvy): Soi 6ST PSE, until I find a keeper on Soi 7, or similar beer bar.

I wrote a post about 106 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out. This list gets updated every six months or so and I strongly recommend reading it for the first-timers.

This is for complete beginners, so older members might think the observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.

I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.

Another note, I'll be in Pattaya the second week of August. If you want to party, PM me.

I was 31 years old when I first visited LOS. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasise that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".

I lurked on this board for about six months before my first trip and back-read reports for over 100 pages. I strongly suggest each monger do the same before they visit Pattaya. (but I know most of you won't).

Here are my tips that you should absolutely follow:

1. You should be able to quote price ranges for any service within each part of town at any given time of the day / week / year. You'll learn these prices from reading the last 100 pages of this forum. Don't be lazy, just do it! If you can't name at least three Soi 6 bars, or the average price of a FL on BR at 6 am, then you haven't read enough.

2. You should understand this is not your country or culture! People here act differently; don't expect them to change for you simply because you are unable to change for them. (which leads to my next tip).

3. Keep your eyes open. When you enter any place, hotels, restaurants, go-go's, it doesn't matter, look around and pay attention to what other people are doing. If you see a monger groping a girl and the girl is laughing, you are allowed to do the same. If you see mongers sitting on their hands, you better do the same until you see otherwise. Also, keep in mind that some people can do things others cannot. Indians get treated differently than Japanese, that's just the way it is. Know where you fit in. You'll have plenty of fun regardless of your background.

4. Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys.

5. Have a vague game plan before you leave your hotel each morning. You don't have to plan every minute but at least know what part of town you want to visit. Thailand is hot, you don't want to be standing in the sun trying to decide where to go.

6. Don't try to do everything in one day. I know it's your holiday but don't go overboard. I tried to visit LK Metro, Soi 6, WS, and go shopping all on my first day. It led to me feeling hurried and stressed. I spent more time walking than I did enjoying my holiday. I realized that aiming for two destinations a day is a lot better. Soi 6 in the afternoon then WS at night worked beautifully for me. You can mix and match destinations.

7. Learn to love the baht buses. I walked everywhere the first two days; it was awful! I was staying near WS and I walked to Soi 6 and back several times. It was a big mistake. I eventually hopped on a baht bus, and everything was a lot easier after that revelation.

8. Lower your standards for what you need in a hotel. Like tip 2 suggests, don't expect things to be like back home. Do you really need to stay at a 5-star hotel? If the same answer is yes, go ahead and spend a ton of money. You should make a list of the things you absolutely need in a hotel. My list was short: bed, toilet, near WS. I found a hotel with average ratings which was cheap. Turns out the hotel was freaking great! It was worth way more than the cost. I'll be staying there again.

9. Don't be shy! This is a rookie mistake I made. I tried being a gentleman and it made my trip less enjoyable. If you want a girl, go for it! Approach her, talk with her.

10. Just because you aren't shy doesn't mean you have a pass to be rude. Be the man with a smile, not the man with fist. If something frustrates you, remember this is your holiday. Let it go!

11. Relax! You will be overwhelmed your first time in Pattaya. You will get a flood of weird emotions. When that happens, find a relaxing place to reset and reassess your reasons for the visit. You read all these reports of men who land 11 girls in 6 days and you feel the need to do the same. The pressure can be bigger than you realized. Don't try to be that guy on your first trip. Be the guy laughing happily, not the dehydrated one looking to refill fluids. If you see a girl who gets you going, have fun! If you are tired from the previous girl, don't feel like you have to get another just to keep up with studs on this board. They've been here several times. They've been training for the marathon. You're still just a sprinter. Some of the guys in this forum are freaks of nature. Even with pills, I can't keep up with their numbers.

12. Try eating at different places for each meal. This one is a little more personal, but I feel the need to say it since I love experiencing new things. Don't go to the same place over and over. Also, be wary of seafood if it's been sitting outside all day.

IllusionHeart added these:

13. If you like a girl at a bar or gogo then barfine her or close the deal for ST or LT whichever you may like. Chances are that she will probably not be there if you come back for her after hopping few more places. There are tons of beautiful girls to meet everyone's taste and the search for the perfect one sometimes proves endless or tiresome. Hence as they say, "a bird in hand is better than 2 in the Bush. " Spend time enjoying the company of a girl rather then searching for the most beautiful girl around.

14. Girls are available around the clock in Pattaya. Do research for places if you have morning or day time preferences and you can roll 24 x 7 if you have the urge and stamina.

15. Do some reading on Ladyboys especially if you are not into them on how to identify and avoid as you can get a surprise in your room if haven't asked them before about their gender.

And the forum previously added this advice.

16. Know your drinking limit. If you get angry after seven beers, stop drinking at six. Your holiday will be quickly ruined if you make a drunken mistake. You don't want to start a fight in Thailand, and you don't want to be passed out drunk in the streets.

17. Know when to let stuff go. If the sign says "80 baht beer" but they charge me 90, I'll just let it go. 10 baht isn't worth fighting for. I once saw a monger angrily yell at two bartenders in the early afternoon because he was given a San Miguel Light instead of a regular San Miguel. I couldn't believe it! Don't be that guy. 1000 baht might be worth a disagreement, but 10 baht isn't.

18. Don't immediately get defensive when a girl quotes you a high price. If a BR FL asks for 1500, don't automatically think she trying to scam you out of your money. She's just trying to get what she can; don't take it as a personal offense because she didn't open with 800 or less. It is okay to negotiate, but it isn't okay to believe she hates you because that's what she asked for. Some guys take bargaining personal, please don't.

19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!

20. Maintain a high energy attitude! Dress hip / cool, act hip, show energy vs lethargy, and come across as a fun guy. Girls (particularly the younger ones) don't want just a boring guy. And more so, if like me, you stick with the under (say) 28. Haven123 added this one.

21. Never ever fall in love with a professional or non-professional girl. For me it is unbelievable how many Thai girls have 3, 5 or more different foreign friends at the same time who support "her girl" with money every month and every one of these guys thinks, that he is her only friend. Added by Michager.

22. OldNewGuy wants me to add that looks do matter somewhat when trying to pull the hottest FL (freelancers) from clubs like Ibar. I guess you shouldn't get discouraged if you can't pull the absolute hottest from that location.

As always, older members are encouraged to add to this list. Your advice is more helpful than you may realize. I'll continue to add to this list and post an updated one in six months or so.

"19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!

Good advice.

Luckily I avoided the "bitter vet" trap. Most of us old hands have a version of the "good ole days". For me it was repeated visits to the Ermita, Manila gogos in the late 80's, early 90's. Dozens of screamingly gorgeous Pinays on stage, fresh from the provinces, at rates that were excellent, even if you account for inflation. I figured out pretty quickly in 2004 that LOS wasn't that, not anymore anyway, if it ever was. But the complexity of Pattaya makes the hunt more satisfying than those Ermita days. The food is better too.

-4. "Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys. ".

I have been to Pattaya once about 12 years ago before and did not spend anywhere close to that amount of money. Exchange rate then was about 39 thb to a dollar. I think I spent around $15 a night for motel, the roof garden inn, then Mr chans art house. Roof garden might have been $20. Food was about $1 a meal out of food carts. I spent about $20 a night on beer and lady drinks. I think I was paying 500 thb for bar fine, maybe it was less, I can't remember. I was paying 1500 thb for overnight.

I was there 2 months and probably average a girl a week. I wasn't a cheap charlie, but I was frugal. I had a couple of girls I really liked at beach club and I would buy them 1 or 2 lady drinks a night. I stayed in a frugal motel. Roof Garden had a lot of people here reccomend it. I left because I didn't book ahead and it filled up. Mr chans, next door, was a little rougher, but the people who worked there were really nice anpersomable.