Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071788] If they treated falang costumers better they would get more barfines. All I see night after night is a bunch of Japanese men hogging all the girls.[/QUOTE]I can't say I see Japanese men hogging all the girls but I do see what I would have to describe as a men (Asian or Westerner, young or old, fit or slobs, doesn't matter) hand in hand with a girl for whom they seem to have very little expectations of something very good, satisfying, rewarding and hassle-free happening once they get to the room. Sit at the rail in Big Dogs Bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza for a while, or whatever is similar in Pattaya, and you will see customer after customer walking out with their go-go bar girl of choice in a state of low level caution and wariness, nothing like an air of "What fun! Great times ahead, can't wait. " As though they are pretty sure she is leading them to some kind of land mine of unpleasant surprise and probable disappointment, whatever was suggested by her behavior in the bar.

Am I reading too much in the body language here? Perhaps. But it is better defined when you contrast it to the way customers look walking out with their Ladyboy choice of the evening. Seriously. I am in no way recommending Ladyboys or even thinking of taking one. But those guys, the customers taking out Ladyboys I mean, look completely at ease and happy to be going wherever they are heading with their "lady", chatting it up, smiles and confident attitudes abounding. Very much the opposite of what the men who are accompanying a real female look like on the way to the battlefield. I don't think I saw that happening 20+ years ago. But this generation's crop of P4P Thai girls have earned their reputation for being full of promise in the bars and fairly lousy at the point of delivery in bed I think.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2071904]Money #1 is a book that explains that for Thai, money comes alwsys first.[/QUOTE]It certainly does not [I]always[/I] come first, and I have seen that with my eyes, many, many times. But I agree that it's given more importance than in other cultures.

Anyway, I came back few days ago and have had a great time, possibly one of the best ever. First I called Aon the petite Laotian of the previous times, which said she had a BF. But a text offer of Bt 2,000 made the guy disappear the following day, while for the first night I took a quite decent FL at Lucifer. Jokeful, slim and easy going, she did not mention money at any point. Then moved to the Lao lady, but she was acting a bit too much Lao (in lack of a better description) for my current tastes. And on the third night I took 28 yr young Boo from I disco, she's also slim with a good body, although her round face and flat nose may not be the like of everyone. I kept her until now with no regrets, she went beyond GFE, to become total care and availability. No anal but given her sweetness I didn't felt particularly attracted by that. As usual, did not see anyone look above 7 in Insomnia and Lucifer, but there are two tall jaw droppers at Crystal in LK metro. One have natural boobs that have to be seen to be believed. Both appeared kinda stuck up. A friend of mine is saying that big boobed Maa at Sky bar in Soy six is a great fuck, for sure she's not rushing as it took almost 1 HR to service this other buddy which is enjoying his very 1st time in Thailand. That's all I can contribute for this time, good luck.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071788]Very true but they forget not all falang are poor. If they treated falang costumers better they would get more barfines. All I see night after night is a bunch of Japanese men hogging all the girls.[/QUOTE]It is not that they treat the Japanese better than others. It is that the Japanese is content in getting a stunner (or the like) giving a very little amount of sex, same for the girl especially for the price she's being paid for. While the average Westerner monger wants total satisfaction and if not getting it will not return and spread the word about it. Try happily paying Japanese prices and behaving like one (includes almost no English spoken), and you will see how popular and "well treated" you will become in these clubs.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2071788]Very true but they forget not all falang are poor. If they treated falang costumers better they would get more barfines. All I see night after night is a bunch of Japanese men hogging all the girls.[/QUOTE]I think we need to call the bluff here. While it is visible that Asian men blow more money with little expectation in return, one needs to acknowledge the fact that there are a good number of Western men doing the same.

If you are in doubt take a look at the photo gallery of Sapphire AGogo. All you see are Western men. For that matter, any other Gogo that puts up pics of its patrons. All Western men. Now they are not getting all that for free, are they?

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2072205]It is not that they treat the Japanese better than others. It is that the Japanese is content in getting a stunner (or the like) giving a very little amount of sex, same for the girl especially for the price she's being paid for. While the average Westerner monger wants total satisfaction and if not getting it will not return and spread the word about it. Try happily paying Japanese prices and behaving like one (includes almost no English spoken), and you will see how popular and "well treated" you will become in these clubs.[/QUOTE]The Japanese are used to their snack bars or whisky bars were they spend a fortune and at the best they flirt with the girls.

So theybdonthe same in bkk with the bonus the costs are cheaper and the girls go with them to their rooms for a fraction of the Japanese price.

Guys have Not high sex expectations from bar girls.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2072210]I think we need to call the bluff here. While it is visible that Asian men blow more money with little expectation in return, one needs to acknowledge the fact that there are a good number of Western men doing the same.

If you are in doubt take a look at the photo gallery of Sapphire AGogo. All you see are Western men. For that matter, any other Gogo that puts up pics of its patrons. All Western men. Now they are not getting all that for free, are they?[/QUOTE]Maybe I was just unlucky, maybe I was not assertive enough in picking my girl. I just found the GoGo bars to be too much. Too many girls fighting over Japanese men, not paying me any attention. Staff do not care about getting you a girl, they just want you to order drinks as fast as possible. One even took my half finished drink away and said "you want another? The service in the GoGo bars is appalling. And you have to sit there and suffer them for a minimum of 20 or 30 minutes.

I did foolishly pass on bar fining two stunners for various reasons when I shouldn't have passed. I don't know what you mean by service levels. Thai women are the perfect companion. They know how to be submissive and get along. I really don't know what more to expect from a woman I just met 15 minutes ago whom I'm paying to be my girlfriend for the night. I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service. I short timed my semi "regular" in Bangkok and she ended up staying and talking with me for an extra 3 hours.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2072100]Sit at the rail in Big Dogs Bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza for a while, or whatever is similar in Pattaya, and you will see customer after customer walking out with their go-go bar girl of choice in a state of low level caution and wariness, nothing like an air of "What fun! Great times ahead, can't wait.[/QUOTE]So true about being front row at Big Dogs. What vantage points are of similar ilk in Patts?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2072504]I don't know what you mean by service levels. Thai women are the perfect companion. They know how to be submissive and get along. I really don't know what more to expect from a woman I just met 15 minutes ago whom I'm paying to be my girlfriend for the night. I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service.[/QUOTE]If that was true then you're blessed with too many qualities and luck to waste your time discussing here, let alone paying for sex. In that case please leave us alone in our sharing of founded, practical information and stories.

Unfortunately, reality is very different, anyone can and will receive poor or even no service from a Thai prostitute. It happens a lot more than 5% of the times, I promise you. I'm not the one saying that, but countless of reports, verbal or written, check there are some ten just in the last two pages. Now come back saying that then it's customer's fault, and you'll really make me laugh.

Over the years I've learned to put to good use the bad experiences to refine my monger's sixth sense. To an extent, that worked, but still I fail at times. That's how this hobby works, take it or leave.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2072534]
Unfortunately, reality is very different, anyone can and will receive poor or even no service from a Thai prostitute. It happens a lot more than 5% of the times, I promise you. I'm not the one saying that, but countless of reports, verbal or written, check there are some ten just in the last two pages. Now come back saying that then it's customer's fault, and you'll really make me laugh.

Over the years I've learned to put to good use the bad experiences to refine my monger's sixth sense. To an extent, that worked, but still I fail at times. That's how this hobby works, take it or leave.[/QUOTE]When I have asked about how a bar girl thinks, I was told it all about who is paying. I understand that and appreciated the view point, but a lot of people are going to act different if you try to take their situation into account. Like sitting with one bar girl for a couple of nights then switching. If I want GFE then I need to treat with a certain level of respect. Just my thought, people should do whatever they think best.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2072504]I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service.[/QUOTE]I have the exact same experience that you have. Neither can I recall any of my friends ever complaining. Maybe it is the punters themselves that are changing. Who knows, in 20 more years I may be complaing about how it is hard to get good service from Thai hookers. But until then, let the good times roll.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2072504]I've never had unacceptable service from a Thai woman and 95% of the time it has been excellent service. I short timed my semi "regular" in Bangkok and she ended up staying and talking with me for an extra 3 hours.[/QUOTE]You haven't been here long enough. I have been living here for 4 years. Most of the girls have been good = that means the majority of them. BUT 95% Hell No. I would say more like 85%.

If you spend more time here, you will find out. I had one from the club a couple of years ago who agreed to stay all night. We went to my guesthouse around 3 am. Then she was ready to go at 0900 without a fuck in the morning. Of course I told her I expect a morning / afternoon session before she left. She claimed she STAYED all night. Yeah she was sleeping all night. No need to sleep in my room ALL NIGHT if you aren't going to fuck in the morning! That's the same as ST. So I gave her 1000 to leave. She was all upset, crying and shit. I showed her the door and went back to sleep.

I had another one who claimed say she 'needs' to give a key to her 'sister', after the first round. Yes, in Thailand. I paid her less money to leave. Told her that she can to come back for the rest. Next time I saw her, she wanted to come again. I asked her if her sister has a key first. LOL Then I took another girl right next to her just to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off and of course to get my nut.

Had another one give me a 1 minute blowjob last year. Then she asked for a condom. Not ok in my book. She demanded money for 'HER' time. She was told to leave and with 200 baht for her taxi. As if my time was not part of the equation. I can go on and on. All unacceptable performances. So 85% would be a better average, not 95%. That's roughly 1 out of 10.

Some of the girls will test you. Stand your ground and tell them what you expect upfront. If they balk, you can change the rate.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2072769]You haven't been here long enough. I have been living here for 4 years. Most of the girls have been good = that means the majority of them. BUT 95% Hell No. I would say more like 85%.

If you spend more time here, you will find out. I had one from the club a couple of years ago who agreed to stay all night. We went to my guesthouse around 3 am. Then she was ready to go at 0900 without a fuck in the morning. Of course I told her I expect a morning / afternoon session before she left. She claimed she STAYED all night. Yeah she was sleeping all night. No need to sleep in my room ALL NIGHT if you aren't going to fuck in the morning! That's the same as ST. So I gave her 1000 to leave. She was all upset, crying and shit. I showed her the door and went back to sleep.

I had another one who claimed say she 'needs' to give a key to her 'sister', after the first round. Yes, in Thailand. I paid her less money to leave. Told her that she can to come back for the rest. Next time I saw her, she wanted to come again. I asked her if her sister has a key first. LOL Then I took another girl right next to her just to **** her off and of course to get my nut.

Had another one give me a 1 minute blowjob last year. Then she asked for a condom. Not ok in my book. She demanded money for 'HER' time. She was told to leave and with 200 baht for her taxi. As if my time was not part of the equation. I can go on and on. All unacceptable performances. So 85% would be a better average, not 95%. That's roughly 1 out of 10.

Some of the girls will test you. Stand your ground and tell them what you expect upfront. If they balk, you can change the rate.[/QUOTE]I concur. While the majority of experiences have been good for me in nearly two decades, there are some entire forgettable ones, which I simply don't seem to forget. The lost key is one of the oldest tricks in the book. I think it might be an interesting and informative thread to list down all the excuses Thai girls (any girl in any country for that matter) have given mongers to slip out of an LT arrangement.

I will start with.

2 - Taking suddenly ill after the first round.

3 - Son needs milk at home.

4 - Go home to fill water in tank.

5 - Friend had accident on scooter.

Let us make this one count guys.

I will be back in Pattaya early September and just finished reading the last 150 pages of reports.

For Newbies-.

This will be my 9th trip and cumulatively have spent well over 6 months in Pattaya and I STILL went back 150 pages! You guys that read two pages and ask questions are lucky that Banana boi answer you most of the time. Really lucky.

Thank yous all around to BB, Mr. E, Uncle V, the Hawk brothers (Wild and FL), blanquiceleste. There are many more that need to be thanked but I am late for a date in Parque LLeras now and need to cut this short. So apologies to the contributors that I didn't name by name.

I would like to summarize a few things from the last 150 posts-.

-It is 2017 nothing is the same as it was in 2012 or 2005. Get over it. Stop reminiscing, you will have plenty of time for that later when you are in a nursing home. Deal with the cards you are dealt in 2017 and move on.

-It is your vacation or your retirement do what makes you happy. If that means you are a BR freelancer kind of monger, do that then, if you are more into high end a-gogo girls, do that then. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

-This whole debate the last 10 pages about Ferraris and prices in Pattaya vs FKK vs Medellin casa. Those comparisons are only relevant when you are sitting at home trying to decide on your next vacation. Once your boots are on the ground, you have to deal with the situation on the ground. That means if agogo club wants 1500 baht BF and girl wants 5000 LT your choice is to either negotiate with her and probably pay close to that or go somewhere else. Whining about the prices of Atlantis in AC are 50% of what I pay in Baccara are senseless, book your ticket to AC.

Now, newbies and specifically Horatio.

Mr. E gave you advice that many of you are forgetting. Golden rule- he who has the gold makes the rules. So if you don't like the fat chick that sits next to you don't feel obligated to buy her a drink. That doesn't mean by a jerk about it, just politely tell her that you are just looking around now, period, end of discussion.

Eat pussy, don't be a pussy.

Again thanks to all the contributors, 98% of anything you want to know has already been written here several times fellas, you just have to make the effort.

Suerte.

One caveat to the Golden Rule. You got to have enough gold.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;2072794]I will be back in Pattaya early September and just finished reading the last 150 pages of reports.

For Newbies-.

This will be my 9th trip and cumulatively have spent well over 6 months in Pattaya and I STILL went back 150 pages! You guys that read two pages and ask questions are lucky that Banana boi answer you most of the time. Really lucky.

Thank yous all around to BB, Mr. E, Uncle V, the Hawk brothers (Wild and FL), blanquiceleste. There are many more that need to be thanked but I am late for a date in Parque LLeras now and need to cut this short. So apologies to the contributors that I didn't name by name.

I would like to summarize a few things from the last 150 posts-.

-It is 2017 nothing is the same as it was in 2012 or 2005. Get over it. Stop reminiscing, you will have plenty of time for that later when you are in a nursing home. Deal with the cards you are dealt in 2017 and move on.

-It is your vacation or your retirement do what makes you happy. If that means you are a BR freelancer kind of monger, do that then, if you are more into high end a-gogo girls, do that then. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

-This whole debate the last 10 pages about Ferraris and prices in Pattaya vs FKK vs Medellin casa. Those comparisons are only relevant when you are sitting at home trying to decide on your next vacation. Once your boots are on the ground, you have to deal with the situation on the ground. That means if agogo club wants 1500 baht BF and girl wants 5000 LT your choice is to either negotiate with her and probably pay close to that or go somewhere else. Whining about the prices of Atlantis in AC are 50% of what I pay in Baccara are senseless, book your ticket to AC.

Now, newbies and specifically Horatio.

Mr. E gave you advice that many of you are forgetting. Golden rule- he who has the gold makes the rules. So if you don't like the fat chick that sits next to you don't feel obligated to buy her a drink. That doesn't mean by a jerk about it, just politely tell her that you are just looking around now, period, end of discussion.

Eat pussy, don't be a pussy.

Again thanks to all the contributors, 98% of anything you want to know has already been written here several times fellas, you just have to make the effort.

Suerte.[/QUOTE]My problem isn't the fat chick that sits next to me. It is the hot girl that sits next to me that I took home 2 days ago and want to take home again in a few days. It's just now I want her friend. Maybe it is as easy as just saying to her not tonight. It doesn't seem like it would work that way if I still want the big GFE again in a couple of days.