Monterrey

No...I know exactly where that street is, and it's just as you described it, on a very infrequently traveled side street that is very "lonely," even during the day.

But, the more important point I was making is that the violence that's in Monterrey these days knows no boundaries. The criteria you would normally consider in mitigating your exposure to danger with respect to staying in safe areas, does not apply these days.

It could be just as dangerous in Colonia El Valle as it is in El Centro.

Some have recommended that by NOT attending the bars on Villagran you are ensuring your relative safety??? WRONG!

You are just as likely to be sprayed with machine gun fire entering Liverpool Mall as you would be in El Centro on Villagran.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]Bbond, as you can see not even USB has a notion of where that part of the downtown area is.
That part of the city IS the downtown area, but a part of the downtown area that becomes empty after office hours.
It is not part of the club scene and streets, it is right in the middle of the road between the hotel disctrict and the clubs.
It's off by several blocks to the East of Cuahutemoc ave. in a small not well lit street.
Monterrey has all MPs spread all over the map, Marsella is an area not quite favorable to arrive via foot at night, contrary to let's say, Misses, Extravagance where you have to go in taxi cause of the distance.
Walking via foot implies walking 6 blocks from the the Sheraton Ambassador or 16 blocks from Infinito... so you guys that know the city now have a decent reference.

Let me put it this way BB, I have only driven past Marsella in my car a couple of times and for investigative reasons only.
That will give you an idea that the street is not a main or secondary street... just a plain ordinary street that is off the normal vehicular routes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I will go completely out on a limb by saying that my experience has been that the girls that are from the podunk towns, ie: "country girls," in an admittedly unscientific statistical average, turn out to be "nicer" with respect to personality and disposition. They seem more pleasant to spend time with than the sophisticated "floosies" from the Big City.

And, dare I say that girls from that point of reference are also much more impressed with having actually landed a Gringo companion, something they never dreamed they would ever actually achieve. So, perhaps they appreciate us more than the sophisticated "City Slickers" we often encounter.
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Actually my type is the light-skinned urban sophisticate spoiled iHooker jet-setting type, the ones I had in mind were big city ladies who happened to be working in podunk towns, maybe on a circuit or similar. In towns were 99/100 ladies are shipped in from the rice paddies, the 1 who grew up in a house with indoor plumbing stands out from a mile away. I have been with the true country ladies before, but usually only ST, they rarely work out into repeats. Have one from about a month ago who had a 2010 Honda Civic, every premium device from the Apple store, (and 2~3 comparably equipped sisters) but still was charging only 4000 THB for LT and was just a blast to hang out with.

I have never personally experienced the "gringo curiosity factor".
Maybe a handful of times in real backwater places a lady will ask what my country is like or something but nothing more. In Monterrey, in certain bars I have gotten with ladies who I am certain have never been with a gringo before, it can be a charming experience, but rarely is a knock out of the park for me. The more experienced ones (who have been with many different cultures, ages, styles, etc..) tend to be a lot more open minded about differing expectations behind closed doors, part of the reason I will never get with a cherry girl.

We are coming from two entirely different perspectives. You target the big city ladies working the podunk towns, and I target the small town girls working the big city.

My problem is I am too cheap to entertain the "USSIHJST," the Urban Sophisticate Spoiled iHooker Jet Setting type, especially in Mexico. :-)))

4000 THB is pretty cheap, that's $135.00US...FOR LONG TIME!!!

Another important distinction is that with Thai girls, both with respect to small town girls, or big city sophisticates, I have not found in them the same "Farang Factor" I referred to with respect to small town Mexicanas and their "Gringo Factor" as it relates to GFE.

In Mexico, you can sometimes find a "MUSSIHJST," Mexican Urban Sophistate Spoiled iHooker Jet Setting Type, but the cost would be more like $200-300US per hour, not per day. And, if they truly are urban sophisticates that would most assuredly not include shopping, restaurants, movies, regalos, clothes, etc...

And, of course, many of us have self imposed travel restrictions due to time constraints, and the same kind of "responsibilities" that Monterreydude referred to in his prior post.

No, Asia is the better bargain by far, depending on travel costs, and not withstanding my own "Gringo Factor" quality of experience being what it is through Mexicanas versus Asians. None the less, had I the time and money to travel, I would welcome the diversity of experience in Asia once again just the same. :-)



[QUOTE=Blourghus]Actually my type is the light-skinned urban sophisticate spoiled iHooker jet-setting type, the ones I had in mind were big city ladies who happened to be working in podunk towns, maybe on a circuit or similar. In towns were 99/100 ladies are shipped in from the rice paddies, the 1 who grew up in a house with indoor plumbing stands out from a mile away. I have been with the true country ladies before, but usually only ST, they rarely work out into repeats. Have one from about a month ago who had a 2010 Honda Civic, every premium device from the Apple store, (and 2~3 comparably equipped sisters) but still was charging only 4000 THB for LT and was just a blast to hang out with.

I have never personally experienced the "gringo curiosity factor".
Maybe a handful of times in real backwater places a lady will ask what my country is like or something but nothing more. In Monterrey, in certain bars I have gotten with ladies who I am certain have never been with a gringo before, it can be a charming experience, but rarely is a knock out of the park for me. The more experienced ones (who have been with many different cultures, ages, styles, etc..) tend to be a lot more open minded about differing expectations behind closed doors, part of the reason I will never get with a cherry girl.[/QUOTE]

First, lets get one thing straight...I NEVER claimed to be an expert on Monterrey. I DO claim to be an expert on the bars, and on finding girls, and on taking them on salida as economically as possible. I do live here sometimes, but not all the time, splitting my time between Mexico and the US. I am not a native of Mexico, nor have I ever claimed to be anything other than a Gringo with considerably time spent in Monterrey, sufficiently so to comment truthfully on my experience as a resident of the city for long and frequent periods of time. I make commentary from a Gringo's perspective. That's it...

Lets be fair with respect to my referencing Chicago in my comments...

When we first began our discussion in this forum about the levels of violence, the incidents of violence were not at their present levels. I have agreed that those levels have risen, and I have agreed that those levels do now exist.

You can not hold me responsible for not commenting on violence that was once only occasional, then escalating to it's present level, and then claim that I did not comment on an escalation that had not yet occurred when our discussion first began.

My point about Colonia "DEL" Valle is that the cartels are mobile, and you are not safe in areas where you might have believed yourself to be safer in the past. I was merely using Liverpool and Colonia Del Valle as examples. Because, as any resident of Monterrey knows, these incidents are happening now in more public places, in places where families gather, and in places where the events are shocking, apparently to terrorize the public. Or could it be something else???

Frankly, I often wonder how much of the violence we are seeing in Monterrey, especially in some of the public places, aren't copycat violence, perpetrated by wanna be's, malcontents, people looking to inflict "payback" on others they have disagreements with and blaming the cartels, etc...There is so much hype with respect to the violence, and the authorities are so overwhelmed by the incidents they're dealing with regarding the cartels, that some of what we are seeing is opportunistic payback by some that are taking advantage of the conditions.

Hyping the violence only enables wanna be's and malcontents to perpetrate their own crimes upon unsuspecting victims, and then blaming it on the cartels, diverting suspicion away from themselves. They know that the authorities are overwhelmed, and that the danger of being actually apprehended are almost non-existent.

How much of the violence is occurring because it's being hyped, and how much of it is totally unrelated to the cartel activity? More than many think...In that respect, I believe that continually hyping the violence has it's own self fulfilling prophesy. It does not benefit Mexico to capitalize on hyping the violence, and promoting the violence for one's own personal gain as some are doing. It only serves to drive Mexico into further violence as the copycats and malcontents in Mexican society use the opportunity to join in the mayhem, where they might have formerly been concerned about getting caught.

The difference is I don't profit directly from reporting the violence, nor is my objective to continue to capitalize on the violence continuing to occur by hyping it for my own personal gain by constantly referring to it here, and in my own cyber-network designed with that purpose in mind, as you do.

My objective, at least with respect to reporting the violence, has always been to report my own experiences with respect to violence I may have encountered personally. I have done that. I have had NO incidents occur, nor have I witnessed any incidents in the bars that substantiate reports that if someone sets foot in Mexico, or more specifically in the bars, that they will die at the hands of the drug cartels. Frankly, I have experienced no fear to date, observed no violence directly, only the evidence that it exists through my observations of the military presence.

That doesn't mean that the violence isn't occurring, or that visitors should not be cautious, or that dangers have not escalated compared to one year ago. But, when asked whether someone should visit Mexico, and whether they will likely be murdered spending time here in the bars for a couple of days, the answer is NO! If my observations and experience changes, I will most assuredly report it. I have no agenda with regard to hyping the violence for my own personal gain as some do.

With regard to my spelling of El Valle, Del Valle, etc...I am also sometimes guilty of mis-spelling Villagran, as in Villa Gran. I am also sometimes criticized by some that my Spanish pronunciation is more akin to Japanese at times. But, I can assure you I am intimately acquainted with Carlos Salazar and Villa Gran, I mean Villagran.

My first language is English, just as yours is obviously Spanish. I would not expect your English spelling and grammar to be perfectly written, and you should not expect my written Spanish to be perfectly written either, nor should you conclude that my written Spanish is any indicator of my residency or time spent in Monterrey.

It's a ridiculous assumption to speculate that my experience in Monterrey is limited just to El Centro, when I freely admit that my own activities concerning this forum are focused around El Centro, and the bars that I frequent. My writings focus upon one area of the city because that's the purpose of the forum. Frankly, I have no interest in commenting on San Nicolos, or Guadelupe (sp?). For the purpose at hand, I am focused upon El Centro.

Yet, I have heard nothing from you with respect to your having any experience concerning the purpose of this forum. Frankly, I don't mind reading your comments, but you have never even documented one single mongering experience. At the very least my track record with respect to the purpose of this forum is well established and considerably documented.

So, whether one lives here or not, and I DO, it really isn't relevant if one never reports a mongering experience but claims to have tons of familiarity with Monterrey in unrelated areas.



[QUOTE=El Cazador]So you first try compare Monterrey to Chicago and takes you long time to admit you wrong and now you try compare El Centro to Colonia Del Valle? Also I know noone who refer to Valle sectors as El Valle. This is one reazon I think you only come here every four or five months for a short time. In the last two weeks five people die on Madero and Colon street amd noone die all year in Liverpool mall. Many things you say make me believe you have little experience here other than El Centro. You most certain are no expert on Monterrey.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Cazador]In the last two weeks five people die on Madero and Colon street amd noone die all year in Liverpool mall. [/QUOTE]
... details ... If USB said "Palacio de Hierro" instead of "Liverpool" he would have been on the money because there have been plenty of incidents there involving machine gun fire, and who knows what other malls. You are nitpicking on details like names of places and spelling, but missing bigger picture.

I disagree with USB on one thing though. Just because you don't personally witness violence doesn't mean it's not there. You could go to Iraq or Afghanistan or Sudan and probably wouldn't actually witness violence unless you went looking for it. I've been to plenty of dangerous places but never have witnessed a violent incident personally. You can do some math based on how many killings there have been in Monterrey, and find out what the chances are of actually witnessing one, it is tiny. But can you say nobody in your personal social network has been a victim or witnessed violence there? I think that is probably where fear originates from, somebody knew somebody who was a victim, and are afraid it can happen to them.

I believe there are those people that are profiting from the hysteria of the conditions in Mexico. They are themselves victims of their own hype, thereby frightening themselves the most, as they collect and re-broadcast the incidents to a buying public, thereby promoting their own businesses in the process, and simultaneously escalating their own fear at the same time.

They may believe that their warnings are noble. Because, to them, the likelihood for violence is magnified because they live the violence in their own imaginations every day, gathering the details, publishing them, exaggerating them wherever possible in order to promote an atmosphere of fear with which to capitalize upon. But, none the less, they believe the extent of their own hype as a result of their daily and regular exposure to it.

The fact is, some of the warnings we read here originate from these same individuals that supplement their living by capitalizing on the fear by publishing it for consumption within their privately owned, small cyber-media websites.

They have a very specific agenda, and they are not issuing warnings for benevolent reasons. They hype the fear factor in order to directly benefit themselves, while simultaneously convincing themselves that they are doing us all an indispensable public service in the process, thereby justifying their activities as benevolent, but subconsciously denying their true profit oriented motivations.

I object to their discouraging mongers that want to visit the city for few days to blow off steam when I know that the danger levels are negligible with respect to the actual statistics, and I also know this based on my own personal experience mongering in Monterrey on a regular and continual basis.

I also believe that the hype they promote only serves to escalate and prolong the actual dangerous and violent conditions that we all wish would subside sooner than later. Reporting the news is one thing, but hoping to promote an escalation of fear, and capitalizing on the tragic circumstances of present day Mexican society is quite another.

Several weeks ago, I flagged down a taxi on Madero, and after he dropped my girl off back at her bar, I asked him to take me to El Infinito. He began driving in the opposite direction, West on Madero instead of back East again toward El Infinito.

I don't know what he had in mind. Maybe nothing more than just to run up the bill, but possibly something much worse. Maybe he was going to rob me, who knows. We were on one of the side streets that runs parallel to Madero, dark, lonely, no traffic, no people, and headed further into the darkness.

Except, fortunately for me, there was a guy crossing the street and the taxi had to stop in order to avoid hitting him. I unlocked the door, jumped out, and the guy started in on me, telling me that I owed him 30 pesos. I threw the 30 pesos at him, and started walking, asking him in Spanish just were the hell he thought he was taking me.

My advice, always sit behind the driver, not in the front seat next to him. Always think to keep the upper hand in all that you do, no matter whether you're dealing with taxis or girls. With girls, it depends on whether they've attained trustee status. But, everything else, stay sharp!

With the taxis, sit behind the driver so all you have to do if you get in a jam is choke the asshole out. Don't let them have the upper hand or you might actually end up on the outskirts of Monterrey as one of the statistics.

The street crime is up in Monterrey. There's a lot said about the cartels. But, while everybody is focusing on the cartels, and the high visibility of that potential danger, it's very easy to sometimes drop your guard with respect to what I believe is the actual escalated danger to us as we monger, the street crime, and crimes of opportunity.

I had a new girl take my cell phone off my dresser a couple of months ago. I should have known to keep my eye on her. I just dropped my guard. But, in the end, it all worked out. I was 300 pesos poorer, but it was worth every penny to recover an expensive smart phone with all my stuff in it, etc...

I just went back to the bar, told the manager, and offered 300 pesos as a reward for an immediate recovery. I am considered a very good customer, and there was no hesitation in their believing me, or in their moving forward with a recovery.

That is one of the upsides to taking girls from the bars. These managers and waiters get really used to the little propinas they receive, and they drop everything for a regular, paying customer, which I am. They will bend over backwards to keep you happy and make things right, if you're in the right. They don't want to lose their future opportunities for propinas, so they're always very attentive.

It was kind of funny. The bouncers all flocked up upstairs, where all of the girls keep their stuff, and they dumped out a bunch of purses, not just the purse of the girl in question. They ended up with about ten cell phones. They displayed them all to me like they were a deck of cards, and asked me which was mine. I immediately plucked it up out of the pile, showed them that everything was displayed on the phone in Ingles, and that it was indeed mine, paid them their 300 peso ransom, and was on my way.

But, the girl was very angry with me, throwing a big tantrum right there in the bar, trying to represent to all that would listen that I had given it to her. Yeah, right...a $500US smart phone? The manager and the bouncers didn't buy it either, not that it mattered, the 300 pesos was all that mattered to them, and that I was satisfied of course, and I was.

Normally, I would recommend striking that girl from my list of eligible contestants. But, she was actually a pretty good girl in every other way, aside from "OUR" little "incident" as she now describes it :-))))

A few weeks later, I took her out again, after making up with her in the bar. I nailed everything down in the room, and we had a great time... :-))) But, as it turns out, I don't have to nail down everything now. Now, I don't have to worry too much about her. I keep my eye on her a little bit. But, I think she learned her lesson.

My biggest complaint about girls that are so new to the business is their lack of patience, and their lack of business acumen. Some of these girls are just not that smart about things. Some take longer to realize that you may be worth a lot more to them over time than a silly cell phone...A LOT MORE! I am guilty of forgetting just how short sighted some of these new girls can be. I should know better, and do. But, I just dropped my guard.

So, your warning about crimes of opportunity, and dropping your guard, even with respect to crimes that are not particularly dangerous to us, but are still bothersome and aggravating none the less, is a timely one...

[QUOTE=La Parca]Several weeks ago, I flagged down a taxi on Madero, and after he dropped my girl off back at her bar, I asked him to take me to El Infinito. He began driving in the opposite direction, West on Madero instead of back East again toward El Infinito.

I don't know what he had in mind. Maybe nothing more than just to run up the bill, but possibly something much worse. Maybe he was going to rob me, who knows. We were on one of the side streets that runs parallel to Madero, dark, lonely, no traffic, no people, and headed further into the darkness.

Except, fortunately for me, there was a guy crossing the street and the taxi had to stop in order to avoid hitting him. I unlocked the door, jumped out, and the guy started in on me, telling me that I owed him 30 pesos. I threw the 30 pesos at him, and started walking, asking him in Spanish just were the hell he thought he was taking me.

My advice, always sit behind the driver, not in the front seat next to him. Always think to keep the upper hand in all that you do, no matter whether you're dealing with taxis or girls. With girls, it depends on whether they've attained trustee status. But, everything else, stay sharp!

With the taxis, sit behind the driver so all you have to do if you get in a jam is choke the asshole out. Don't let them have the upper hand or you might actually end up on the outskirts of Monterrey as one of the statistics.

The street crime is up in Monterrey. There's a lot said about the cartels. But, while everybody is focusing on the cartels, and the high visibility of that potential danger, it's very easy to sometimes drop your guard with respect to what I believe is the actual escalated danger to us as we monger, the street crime, and crimes of opportunity.[/QUOTE]

USB
As usual, you have once again so accurately articulated what most of use should be thinking; before, during and after our encounters within our daily lives, especially while in a foreign country.

Thanks for sharing and I look forward to gleaning more well thought out and useful information from you next post.
Chica Luv

[QUOTE=Unspongebob]I had a new girl take my cell phone off my dresser a couple of months ago. I should have known to keep my eye on her. I just dropped my guard. But, in the end, it all worked out. I was 300 pesos poorer, but it was worth every penny to recover an expensive smart phone with all my stuff in it, etc...
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So, your warning about crimes of opportunity, and dropping your guard, even with respect to crimes that are not particularly dangerous to us, but are still bothersome and aggravating none the less, is a timely one...[/QUOTE]

I have to admit, I was embarrassed to even relate these events initially when it happened. It took a while to swallow my pride, and to decide to post it. I mean, afterall, it was such an amateurish thing to happen to one that should know better.

I'm the one that's always saying I'll report stuff that actually happens to me. So, a lapse in following through on my own commitments to report what happens to me came better late than never this time.

Thanks to La Parca, it reminded me that I owed the ISG a mention of what happened in hopes that it might remind some other person whose slacking up like I did to pay better attention before they have to go through the aggravation I had to. And, of course, what happened to me was really quite minor in comparison to what can happen to us when we bring subjects into our midst and neglect to treat them with the suspicion that should be there, at least until they've earned a measure of our trust.

Lately, when I know I'm leaving my place to prowel the bars, I'm now making sure everything is out of sight, put away, etc...just as I should have done before.



[QUOTE=Chica Luv]USB
As usual, you have once again so accurately articulated what most of use should be thinking; before, during and after our encounters within our daily lives, especially while in a foreign country.

Thanks for sharing and I look forward to gleaning more well thought out and useful information from you next post.
Chica Luv[/QUOTE]

Well. I was ready to go to Monterrey since I had so much free time after quiting my job. No go. The city (Ciudad Mier) I reported seeing dead burn bodies was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago. So no bus routes to Monterrey until further notice. This is the first time I've ever heard of a city being evacuated due to Cartel violence. I saw hundreds of refugees in the nearby city Miguel aleman. Please don't censor the link I'am about to put up as it is a real News to Alert mongers of the real crisis Mexico is in. These are the refugees. This city is only about 90 miles from Monterrey. Why is the USA government ignoring this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR-XvlgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/url]

You are over stating, over exagerating, even contradicting your own link.

Read the description: "The raging drug war in the US-Mexico border region has forced hundreds of residents to seek refuge in neighbouring towns."

No where in the video does it mention "was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago", but it does say hundreds.

But sorry to tell you that there is another news article published on-line today saying this:

EL NORTE

Afirman que terminó éxodo en Ciudad Mier

En Ciudad Mier y Camargo, en Tamaulipas, se desarrolla un operativo de policías locales, federales y soldados

Whatever happened in Ciudad Mier is over and the people are going back. Plus the army has made camp in Mier.


And please pretty pretty please, please explain to me where do you want to go with this:

"Why is the USA government ignoring this?"

Please tell us WHAT must the US goverment DO????

Declare war on Mexico???
Invade Mexico???

How about a much simpler thing... curve the appetite for drugs in the US.
How's that for starters???

Naw!!! will never be done.









[QUOTE=Marius 67]Well. I was ready to go to Monterrey since I had so much free time after quiting my job. No go. The city (Ciudad Mier) I reported seeing dead burn bodies was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago. So no bus routes to Monterrey until further notice. This is the first time I've ever heard of a city being evacuated due to Cartel violence. I saw hundreds of refugees in the nearby city Miguel aleman. Please don't censor the link I'am about to put up as it is a real News to Alert mongers of the real crisis Mexico is in. These are the refugees. This city is only about 90 miles from Monterrey. Why is the USA government ignoring this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR-XvlgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monterreydude]You are over stating, over exagerating, even contradicting your own link.

Read the description: "The raging drug war in the US-Mexico border region has forced hundreds of residents to seek refuge in neighbouring towns."

No where in the video does it mention "was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago", but it does say hundreds.

But sorry to tell you that there is another news article published on-line today saying this:

EL NORTE

Afirman que terminó éxodo en Ciudad Mier

En Ciudad Mier y Camargo, en Tamaulipas, se desarrolla un operativo de policías locales, federales y soldados

Whatever happened in Ciudad Mier is over and the people are going back. Plus the army has made camp in Mier.


And please pretty pretty please, please explain to me where do you want to go with this:

"Why is the USA government ignoring this?"

Please tell us WHAT must the US goverment DO????

Declare war on Mexico???
Invade Mexico???

How about a much simpler thing... curve the appetite for drugs in the US.
How's that for starters???

Naw!!! will never be done.[/QUOTE]
I was there yesterday..All the refugees were still there..I even talked to some of them..and they said the Mexican Army went from house to house warning them to leave or else..Death!..No sh*t BOB..What do i have to do...film the people taking about the horrors going on.. The state Nuevo Leon is about enter this phase. We had scores of Mexicans fleeing Mexico into Starr county this month. Reports from the Media estimate that illegal crossing has jumped 500% the last few months. I don't know how to put in in words. For now stay away from Mexico, unless you are familiar with the area..!
Bob did you not see in the video I just posted of a man being interviewed stating "I'am terrified to go back to my town." Stop accusing me of exagerating stories. The reality is; It's actually worse than what I'am reporting here!

If you are scared Marius, aside from costs, you could fly into Monterrey, and fly right over all the potential danger. If flying is too expensive, then you could still take a bus from Laredo.

I understand your apprehension at traveling between the border and Monterrey via the highway system through Ciudad Mier or from Miguel Aleman, but you seem only interested in traveling the most dangerous routes, and you relish the idea of reporting it.

You can't take a bus up to Laredo, and come down here on the bus from Laredo or Reynosa? The roadways between Monterrey and Laredo and Reynosa are SAFE during the day up to about 2pm.

Furthermore, you want to put all the responsibility directly upon the US government for what is essentially a Mexican problem. The USA has no jurisdictional authority in another sovereign country, Mexico.

I never quite understand people who like pointing the finger at the US, and blaming the US for their own lack of responsibility for protecting their own people.

Curbing the consumption of drugs is one potential answer that might contribute to enhancing security for the Mexican people, but a failure by Mexico to protect it's own innocents from the mayhem is really inexcusable.

You mean to tell me that the Mexican government can't occupy and DOMINATE any location in their country, and secure their own people. Hogwash! They aren't doing it because they don't want to. The lack of responsibility, therefore, goes much deeper than an apparent inability to protect the people. The officials in Mexico are as complicit in the problem as the politicians and consuming public is in the USA.

Tell you what, give me a couple of Apache helicopters, and a division of Mexican Soldiers, and those roadways between the border and Monterrey would be more secure for travelers than any highway in the the US. They simply don't want to do it. They prefer to let them go. The politicians are all complicit in the drug trade.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]Well. I was ready to go to Monterrey since I had so much free time after quiting my job. No go. The city (Ciudad Mier) I reported seeing dead burn bodies was totally evacuated by the Mexican goverment two days ago. So no bus routes to Monterrey until further notice. This is the first time I've ever heard of a city being evacuated due to Cartel violence. I saw hundreds of refugees in the nearby city Miguel aleman. Please don't censor the link I'am about to put up as it is a real News to Alert mongers of the real crisis Mexico is in. These are the refugees. This city is only about 90 miles from Monterrey. Why is the USA government ignoring this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR-XvlgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]

Why do you reply to Monterreydude's posts by referring to him as "Bob," as though you're responding to Unsponge"bob's" comments? Even our detractors know that we are two different mongers.

There is a very simple solution. You don't have to give up on our fine Mexican girls in favor of "Mexicana Substitute" as you endure your self imposed exile on the US side of the border.

If you think there are dangers in certain areas in Mexico, then avoid those areas...

To advocate staying completely out of Mexico is an alarmist position, one that will have you stuck in the US with blue balls.

And, consider this, if you choose to pay US rates to see girls on the US side of the border instead, you could just as easily apply those additional costs to a plane ticket, thereby avoiding all the fear and trepidation that plagues you. Plus, you're not relegated to the lousy Feminazi attitudes you'll undoubtedly find on the US side of the border while on self imposed exile.

If you want to advocate staying out of Cuidad Mier or Miguel Aleman, fine. If you want to advocate that certain modes of travel, or certain times of day, be avoided. Or, if you advocate taking the most dangerous areas into consideration when you travel, fine.

But, your implication is that dangers in those notorious areas apply to mongering in Monterrey, the subject of this thread. By applying circumstances that are occurring in isolated trouble areas in Mexico to the whole of Mexico, and specifically implying that the dangers in those areas are indicative of Monterrey, the reader is left with an inaccurate assessment of how things really are here.

I am here in Monterrey, and I am living it. To imply that the danger level you describe for Miguel Aleman or Cuidad Mier is the same as what you will encounter in Monterrey is very inaccurate.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]I was there yesterday..All the refugees were still there..I even talked to some of them..and they said the Mexican Army went from house to house warning them to leave or else..Death!..No sh*t BOB..What do i have to do...film the people taking about the horrors going on.. The state Nuevo Leon is about enter this phase. We had scores of Mexicans fleeing Mexico into Starr county this month. Reports from the Media estimate that illegal crossing has jumped 500% the last few months. I don't know how to put in in words. For now stay away from Mexico, unless you are familiar with the area..!
Bob did you not see in the video I just posted of a man being interviewed stating "I'am terrified to go back to my town." Stop accusing me of exagerating stories. The reality is; It's actually worse than what I'am reporting here![/QUOTE]