Chiang Mai

On New Year's eve met up with a friend in town and decided to have a few drinks, see in the New Year together and get a couple of girls to round off the night. I haven't seen this friend for 7 years and during that period we had a wow of a time in Chiang Mai New Years Eve 2009, bargirls literally throwing themselves at us. I thought this being new years eve there should be no problems in obtaining available girls considering the large numbers of tourists visiting for the occasion, I really believed they would be out in force.

Last night we first visited a bar in LK. It was crowded with mostly young couples and back packers, blaring loud music, couldn't hear ourselves think, no seats available, it was a crush standing inside and only a very girls were there that seemed to be hired by a beer company to promote the sales of beer. After one drink in there, had enough. All the bars seemed to be the same, young couples, back packers and very few girls.

Then at about 9. 45 pm we visited the Star Six bar. Business is now so bad that customers have no need to pay an entrance fee anymore; they can just walk directly into the bar. We went in and I was shocked. Appears the bar has been made smaller, still has the stage at the centre but only a little space around that with a few stools. There were 2 girls prancing around on stage and only 2 girls sitting in the bar area. No customers, not one, only me and my friend. Then literally within seconds of us sitting down the 2 girls pounced on us and then the 2 girls who were on stage joined us. An hour later 5 Chinese looking men walked in and a lone Australian guy I got chatting with and that was about it. Unlike back in the old days these girls were fully dressed, one even wearing a jacket saying she felt cold. We had a couple of drinks and felt obliged to buy the girls drinks; it was a hustle by those girls. They had 1 girl do a shower show on the stage but she was fully dressed, way too tame and I commented on that, more or less saying; this is crap. I asked one girl who targeted me; how much to go out short time? She quoted me, 2500 baht for short time plus 600 baht bar fine. I told her to forget it. Then she dropped to 2000 baht plus 600 baht bar fine. I still said; too much but she refused to budge on her price. I would have been willing to pay 1500 baht plus the 600 baht bar fine for short time. So I left it. While there had a chat with the mamasan. She told me that business is so slack that she doesn't know for how much longer the bar can remain open. This is now typical of the few remaining bars in the Loi Kroh Road and surrounding area.

Then at midnight we stood near the Tapae Gate for the countdown to 2017. Hundreds of tourists almost climbing over each other in a tightly packed area launching the balloons. After that was completed it was like someone had fired a starting pistol for everything to close. Instantly the shutters on the bars, massage parlors and restaurants began to come down. With still hundreds of tourists milling about they all began to disperse. The very few bars that did remain open were again packed to the hilt with young tourists but still very few girls.

About 12.20 am my friend and I decided there was no point in hanging around and we went our separate ways. I went for a Burger King and after that walked around looking for some action, but by then most of it was closed, no street girls, even the Spotlight and Spicy were closed. It seemed some bars were only open for privileged customers but to all the rest the doors were closed. Most of what I saw was a few freaky, creepy looking ladyboys standing in the shadows looking for business. So I gave up and went home. Celebrating the new year in town was really about going out drinking with a bunch of mates, definitely not much in the mongering department available and I certainly won't be bothering to do the same next year.

Celeb at CNX massage. This place is on Charoen Prathet Rd opp the the Soi 6 junction or opp and a bit south of Pornping Hotel. Fishbowl girls (1600 b) and sideline girls (1800 b). I took a pretty sideline girl and I guess she was one of the stars since the service was quite perfunctory.

Bar next to Celeb at CNX– can't remember the name of the bar but there were 8-9 very pretty hostesses here. They don't barfine and are just there to chat and drink with customers. 2-3 of them spoke some English. Beers and lady drinks were cheap and the girls were never pushy about ordering more drinks. Good music, good place to chill.

Foxy Lady gogo. This is on Tha Phae Soi 1, opp the Dusit D2 Hotel. Music as turned way down because TH was still in mourning. Girls were dancing in their bikinis. Maybe 2 pretty ones.

Bar complex / boxing ring. On the left of Loi Kroh as you walk towards the old city, near the junction of Kampangdin Rd. Manage to pick up a pretty one at a bar next to the StarSix gogo. I think the barfine was 500 b and LT was 2500 b. There are also a few pretty ones in the bars near the boxing ring but I suspect their job is just to pull in the punters and they don't barfine. Bought drinks for pretty girls at 2 different bars but when I asked about LT / ST they claimed they could not go with customer that night. The bars were empty on most nights but were packed with Chinese tourists on Friday night.

StarSix gogo– this is next to the bar complex / boxing ring. Girls were dancing in their bikinis. 3-4 pretty ones but the guys I was with quickly grabbed them.

Get a hotel near the Loi Kroh Rd / Chang Klan Rd junction and you will be within walking distance to all the above attractions. Email the hotel about their guest policy before you book. Many hotels I contacted charged a 500 b-800 b joiner fee.

A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1999564]A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]Good question Crocodile.

Especially since, we have one in this forum claiming all the low end brothels in North and north east has been closed by yellow shirt.

Not sure Arthur tick can answer, since he told us in one his November post he hasn t been to low end places since 6 years and has no intention to come back.

So maybe you will have to investigate again Crocodile. Or follow others northern road, who knows.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1999564]A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]I have a big problem on these forums, that is I can only come across as negative because regarding the Chiang Mai commercial monger scene there is nothing positive to mention, so all I can do is apologise for that.

What you are referring to is what we used to call, the bored housewives club. They were 3 daytime brothels all next to each other. They were great, there used to be a whole group of us meet there on regular occasions. 60 baht for a large bottle of Chang beer and 300 baht for a girl, no hurried service. Sometimes I would take 2 girls when I was feeling particularly randy. The place was a complete dump, filthy and rough but we loved it and had the times of our lives there. I can remember after we finished in the huts with the girls us lads would compare together how well the girls performed. It still puts a smile on my face when I think back about those times.

But sadly those lady houses have long gone. At one time a karaoke bar opened in it's place, but think that's gone now as well and later another cheap brothel opened just a ways down in the location but believe that was levelled a couple of years a go. There is I believe still 1 cheap and nasty brothel left in Chiang Mai, somewhere around the back of the Neimann area. Go into Google search and type in Chiang Mai Locator. Then click on male entertainment in Chiang Mai. Details of the brothel are listed on there. But I have heard reports that this place is not Farang friendly, so it's really just a case of visiting and see how things work out.

I went into the male entertainment section of the Chiang Mai Locator website to see what was available.

I found the Anime Kawaii Shop and decided to give it a try. I went there and considered it as being the best of the worst. Details given on; CML are:

Anime Kawaii Shop is the place for gentlemen in search of a good massage by pretty girls with the possibility of a sensual twist.

Anime Kawaii Shop is one of the few places in town where you can get a proper Japanese body scrub (Akasuri). Anime does not provide body-to-body massage nor full sexual services. (Anime Kawaii shop was previously name Oshin Massage and Anime Massage.) Open from 10.30 to 24.00 daily.

They have various menus and I went for the 30 minute body scrub and 60 oil massage, combined cost, 600 baht, so not bad I thought.

My experience there and have visited 3 times now.

They have a good selection of girls and let you choose. Most are very young.

I choose a girl and she led me into the body scrub room, which is basically just a plain old shower room and a bed covered with a plastic waterproof sheet in the centre of the room. You strip off, lay on the bed, but unfortunately the girl keeps her clothes on during the whole process. She then fills a plastic dustbin with warm warmer from a shower spray hose. Then she takes a plastic type saucepan and pours water over you from the bin, followed by her using an old cloth with a type of scouring powder on the cloth and rubs it over your body, followed by more water, followed by more scrubbing and this process goes on for 30 minutes.

After the body scrub you dry off with a towel and the girl takes you upstairs to a massage room. You strip off and lie down on a floor mattress. Then the oil massage begins. Later the girl gives 2 options. A HJ for an extra 500 baht or a HJ with the girl naked for an extra 1000 baht, which mean the full monty will set you back 1600 baht. I always choose the girl naked option, couldn't resist it. But even when the girl is naked it's still very inhibited; touch her tits OK but no feely feely ass or pussy and FS a definite no, no. Also don't expect a proper professional massage, it's really just a relax rub over with hands. After the deed was done, paid the girl her 1000 baht so-called tip then paid the 600 baht menu service at the counter, said my goodbyes and went on my merry way.

The shop it's self is a dump that is counteracted by the girls being young and pretty. What I did like is that the prices are set from the start, no haggling, you know what you're getting and for how much, but in actually this is by no means a brothel, only a glorified HJ parlour.

Route description: Just across from the YMCA. From the north-western corner of the moat, take Hussadhisawee Road up north and take the first soi on the left, which is Sermsuk road. Take the second soi on the right and curve with it until you see the YMCA on your left. The shop is just a few steps down the road on the right. If not sure check it out on Google Street view or look on Chiang Mai Locator.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2002665]I have a big problem on these forums, that is I can only come across as negative because regarding the Chiang Mai commercial monger scene there is nothing positive to mention, so all I can do is apologise for that.

What you are referring to is what we used to call, the bored housewives club. They were 3 daytime brothels all next to each other. They were great, there used to be a whole group of us meet there on regular occasions. 60 baht for a large bottle of Chang beer and 300 baht for a girl, no hurried service. Sometimes I would take 2 girls when I was feeling particularly randy. The place was a complete dump, filthy and rough but we loved it and had the times of our lives there. I can remember after we finished in the huts with the girls us lads would compare together how well the girls performed. It still puts a smile on my face when I think back about those times.

But sadly those lady houses have long gone. At one time a karaoke bar opened in it's place, but think that's gone now as well and later another cheap brothel opened just a ways down in the location but believe that was levelled a couple of years a go. There is I believe still 1 cheap and nasty brothel left in Chiang Mai, somewhere around the back of the Neimann area. Go into Google search and type in Chiang Mai Locator. Then click on male entertainment in Chiang Mai. Details of the brothel are listed on there. But I have heard reports that this place is not Farang friendly, so it's really just a case of visiting and see how things work out.[/QUOTE]Well if I follow the link you give us, this closure is not so old and due to building project. Nothing to do with yellow shirt VS red shirt theory.

Maybe like in others towns, these places has been simply relocated somewhere else in Chiang Mai.

#Not farang friendly# I always this expression based on what? I don t know. In 18 years I've never meet a local brothel not farang friendly. But massage parlor (like Japanese only) yes. Of course in local brothels if you come everyday and never take any girls, the papasan or the mamasan will be irritated. , if like some trolls you claimed your money back because the girl doesn't filled your expectations don t be surprised if they showed you a machete or a baton.

Poor CrocodileXP he will have to explore again Chiang Mai in the search of eventual low end brothels. Or maybe explored others northern roads?

Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht.

Copy and paste this: เ3604;3655;3585;3652;3595;3604;3660;3652;3621;3609;3660; into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2005681]Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht.

Copy and paste this: เ3604;3655;3585;3652;3595;3604;3660;3652;3621;3609;3660; into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.[/QUOTE]It could well be that the Chiang Mai girls you describe are not all that interested in having a farang screw the hell out of her all night long when short time with a short stick fills the bill.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;2005824]It could well be that the Chiang Mai girls you describe are not all that interested in having a farang screw the hell out of her all night long when short time with a short stick fills the bill.[/QUOTE]Preferences don't fall into this, it's all about money and they all have their price.

The crux of the matter is; it's not the price but whatever the amount is; can we get value for money? A mate hired a Thai escort for 2 hours in Bangkok. She demanded 5000 baht for turning up and another 7000 baht for FS upfront. My mate said she was charming and sexy at first, then after he paid the money and got down to do the deed, she just laid there like a dummy, totally inhibited and went stone cold. She kept prompting him to hurry up and get it over with. After 10 minutes it became so boring that he couldn't perform and she had to finish him with a HJ. It was all over in 20 minutes flat. 12000 baht that cost him and he told me that was the biggest anti climax of his whole life.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2008421]Preferences don't fall into this, it's all about money and they all have their price.

[/QUOTE]Why don't you Just move to pattaya? Still good full service there for 600 the way I think you want it. Chiang Mai isn't for you obviously since it is a place where most can find a girlfriend easily but not much on the street aside from a few ladyboys apparently. No need to reiterate endlessly about some good ole times. Or learn the thai language and use the dek sideliners you describe, or maybe hire a thai girl / boy to book them for you.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2008448]Why don't you Just move to pattaya? Still good full service there for 600 the way I think you want it. Chiang Mai isn't for you obviously since it is a place where most can find a girlfriend easily but not much on the street aside from a few ladyboys apparently. No need to reiterate endlessly about some good ole times. Or learn the thai language and use the dek sideliners you describe, or maybe hire a thai girl / boy to book them for you.[/QUOTE]I go to Bangkok for 2 weeks once every 3 months. I choose some girls on Thai Friendly and arrange to meet them there. Not as cheap as you think, but I do get what I pay for. As for reiterating about the good old days, I am simply giving comparisons to how CM used to be in the past and how it is today and considering this is the Chiang Mai section of the ISG; what else would you prefer to read on this thread?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2008525]I go to Bangkok for 2 weeks once every 3 months. I choose some girls on Thai Friendly and arrange to meet them there. Not as cheap as you think, but I do get what I pay for. As for reiterating about the good old days, I am simply giving comparisons to how CM used to be in the past and how it is today and considering this is the Chiang Mai section of the ISG; what else would you prefer to read on this thread?[/QUOTE]I get your point about the past. Now, having made that point, let's move on. So what if the past was better? We don't live in the past; we live in the present.

So, I (and I am sure many others as well) would be pleased to see you focusing your comments on "what is" today, and not "what was" yesterday.

SW4.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2005681]Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht. By the way, my Thai is limited.

into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.[/QUOTE]I reported on this many times in the Bangkok thread. By the way, they are not Dek sideline girls. This is just the name of one web site. I have had many sessions and can tell you the best way to get started.

Believe it or not, most of the girls have a handler who books their customers for them. They will work out of a rented room if they are alone or a shared apartment with other working ladies. They mostly don't do out calls and the line accounts they use in their ads are often programmed with automatic replies. 80% are actually well organized prostitution rings so it takes a lot of weeding out to find the true sideline girls working independently to put themselves through school. Most of your observations are incorrect, so if you want the real story, feel free to PM or read my post in the Bangkok thread.

This is not a new discovery to say the least.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2008763]I reported on this many times in the Bangkok thread. By the way, they are not Dek sideline girls. This is just the name of one web site. I have had many sessions and can tell you the best way to get started.

Believe it or not, most of the girls have a handler who books their customers for them. They will work out of a rented room if they are alone or a shared apartment with other working ladies. They mostly don't do out calls and the line accounts they use in their ads are often programmed with automatic replies. 80% are actually well organized prostitution rings so it takes a lot of weeding out to find the true sideline girls working independently to put themselves through school. Most of your observations are incorrect, so if you want the real story, feel free to PM or read my post in the Bangkok thread.

This is not a new discovery to say the least.[/QUOTE]I checked out many of your posts on the threads and they virtually all come across as knowing everything, are objectionable, confrontational and aggressive to those who don't agree with you. Guarantee I have more experience of the Chiang Mai monger scene than you do. As for your claims to have knowledge of the real facts pertaining to my post, why would I need to PM you? Why not share your valuable knowledge and let us all in on the secret? I tell you why, it's because you are a load of hot air blowing in the wind and don't have sources for your information.

So either put up or shut up.