Berlin

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Just published the Berlin Escort Guide, mid to highend on Angus' blog.

[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=237[/url]

Next up, a short view of the indy scene.

AM[/QUOTE]Would like to share my one unusual but not uncommon encounter a couple of years ago. Had a session with one of the young ladies at VK. Suggested we meet the next day at my hotel. She demurred as she was supposed to spend the Saturday PM visiting her mother but did agree to call me.

Long and short of it, I managed to persuade to spend three hours at my hotel for 350 eruos. It was not cheap but having someone I already boned at my hotel with all of its advantages seemed worth it. Along with some unrushed intimacy, I learned a little bit moare about her and her colleagues. Seems a number of them are truly part timers.

Thought my fellow mongers might like to know that with a little chemistry and the right offer, you can arrage for a take out from VM without management taking a cut.

Appreciate AM's enlightening posts. He is definitely one of my mentors/heroes on ISG.

A quick sex report (July-August)

[b]day 1[/b]: Artemis

Marina: Nice Russian MILF. Good BBBJ in kino

[b]day 2 [/b]:: Van Kampen. 7 pm

7 girls came to shake my hand

Steffi: a new German cutie (pictures on [url]www.Vankampenberlin.de[/url])

18 yo announced on the site. Yes, very fresh pussy and perfect ass. A little bit shy but gentle and smiling. I take the BBBJ extra (20 €). DATY extra is also possible.

It worth noting the honesty of VK. On the site it is written that the girl is inexperienced and so.

As a veteran monger I immediatly saw that. So, don't ask for too much passion, be patient and focus on the idea that you are fucking a quasi teenager. Yes, Yes. Old pigs you are!

Good meeting

[b]day 3[/b]: Kamila Dee. 5 pm

June, Marie, Vickie, Marion. (Black) and?

Ok with Marie, ah not possible. Wanted a 40 mn session, but for Marie it was the end of the workinf day (only 30 mn possible). Leave the place (Humm. Was Marie really a good choice? Not sure) without take another girl. I ve no read terrific things about Vicky and June.

[b]day 4[/b]:

Ekstase massage. 5 pm

Sophia: [url]www.Ekstasemassage. De/html/sophia.html[/url]

60 mn (90 Euros)

Very cute girl (21 yo). Sympatic. But hard to touch is pussy. I come on my way!

Monrouge:

Pretty girls. Pretty place.

What? Extras are 30 Euros! I leave. I am a little bit tired of Extras!

No extra I want to pay.come back to Artemis!

[b]day 5 [/b]: Artemis 5 pm to 12

Lekkie: Very nice thai girl (see reports on ARTEMIS thread) expert in massage and others stuff.

Ella: small blond Russian. Pretty face. Fake boobs. Age? French kiss and ball licking (I love it!) in the Kino

"Rossy" (not sure of the name): Nice Czech from Brno. I fucked her in the Kino too.

Safina: Young blond german girl with voluptuous shape. My best Artemis meeting this night. Very sympatic. In zimmer.

[b]day 6[/b]:

Royal. 4 pm

8 pretty girls

Samira: [url]www.Bordell-berlin. To/luxusbordell/samira.html[/url]

Nice Greek girl.come back to Extras! 20 Euros for BBBJ and 20 Euros for kissing. The last was not justified. Sympatic but lack of passion.

Thanks, Charlie, for the heads up on [url]http://www.escort-sex24.de[/url]! I was looking for a trustworthy escort agency. So I decided to try Paris.

Booked a few hours in advance. A lady answered the phone and quickly accepted the booking. Nearer the time I got a phone call that the girl arrived early, and if it's ok for her to come up.

A couple of minutes later, I get a knock on the door, and there is the gorgeous Paris. Amazing girl - very tall, with a great figure, in a pretty dress, and rather confident. I was the one who was nervous, as I don't have much experience with escorts.

After a drink and a little chat, she did a little striptease and then we got down to business. DFK, BBBJ were all on offer, and then I asked her to turn around and pounded her doggie style. When I finally came, we both were exhausted (or at least I was, and she gave a very good impression). So just lay there chatting, and cuddling. A true GFE!

I then asked for a massage, which she also did very well. By that time my member was asking for more, so I asked for another BJ (although she offered sex as well). Unfortunately, it usually takes me a rather long time to cum, so in the middle of it her alarm went off. She tried very hard to finish me off, but I decided not to bother anymore, so let her take a shower. By the way, at the very start she warned me that she doesn't do CIM, which was fine by me.

All in all, I had a really good time, it was really like being with girlfriend. In terms of looks, she is even better than in the pictures. The breasts are nice and firm, and the body is nicely tanned. She takes very good care of herself. The only downside is that she has a few patches on the body where the skin lost its pigmentation, so in contrast to the otherwise tanned skin they are visible. She says this was due to stress in high school. However this does not really tarnish her good looks. Moreover, her friendly and open attitude makes her even more attractive.

By the way, I conversed with her mostly in German, which she knows pretty well, but she says she understands English, but finds it more difficult to speak. She also knows some Russian, and understands some Italian. Of course her native tongue is Polish. She says she is 23, and I tend to believe her.

Highly recommended so treat her well, gentlemen!

[QUOTE=Charlie 123]Hi,

[url]http://www.escort-sex24.de/natalie[/url]

Just finished 5 minutes ago with this very shapely blonde.

She arrived punctually, derives from Poland/Ukraine, is probably mid 20's plus, not quite as pretty as her pics would suggest but sexy enough. Speaks Deutsch, Russian, Polish but no real English. She seemed nervous at first (understandably) but opened up.

Nice service, DFK, good BBBJ, cowgirl followed by more BJ. Nice tight pussy. Put her on her back and after less than 5 minutes of my thrusting whilst she slapped her pelvis upwards I came inside her. Didn't get to test whether any of the other advertised services such as GB were genuinely available and included in the basic price, but I suspect they were. Sex lasted about 20 minutes in total whereupon she gave me a 10 minute massage and left. I had no interest in struggling to do it again with her during the remaining time so I don't know whether a 2nd round would've been on the agenda had I desired it.

A very nice punt all round. Everything exactly as advertised. Nice enough girl, sexy body, sweet face, good attitude, excellent delivery.

I think that this is very probably an honest and reliable agency. I will probably give their other available girl (Paris) a spin later in the week just to be sure!

Recommended

Charlie[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnThomas0519]Would like to share my one unusual but not uncommon encounter a couple of years ago. Had a session with one of the young ladies at VK. Suggested we meet the next day at my hotel. She demurred as she was supposed to spend the Saturday PM visiting her mother but did agree to call me.

Long and short of it, I managed to persuade to spend three hours at my hotel for 350 eruos. It was not cheap but having someone I already boned at my hotel with all of its advantages seemed worth it. Along with some unrushed intimacy, I learned a little bit moare about her and her colleagues. Seems a number of them are truly part timers.

Thought my fellow mongers might like to know that with a little chemistry and the right offer, you can arrage for a take out from VM without management taking a cut..[/QUOTE]


Thanks JT for the report. And I do agree that the scenario you describe is well with in the realm of possibility of you are polite, generous and discreet. Especially the last one as the girl does put a bit on the line when doing this. Many bordellos would not appreciate being cut out of the equation and the girl could lose her job if it came out to the bordello that she is cutting deals on the side. So as you have done, I recommend not reporting by name the girls with whom you have made an arrangement such as this. This may seem obvious, but does not hurt to be stated. Also it must be noted that this will be easier if you are in a hotel. Unless you do multiple sessions with a girl, and she comes to trust you, a hotel is much more neutral ground than a private residence. I myself had a very nice long home visit from a KD girl a couple of years back. Preceding this was at least a half dozen bordello visits in which we got to know each other.

[QUOTE=JohnThomas0519]Appreciate AM's enlightening posts. He is definitely one of my mentors/heroes on ISG.[/QUOTE]

Nice to be a hero;) I wonder if I have any super powers?

[QUOTE=Spec20]Thanks, Charlie, for the heads up on [url]http://www.escort-sex24.de[/url]! I was looking for a trustworthy escort agency. So I decided to try Paris.

Booked a few hours in advance. A lady answered the phone and quickly accepted the booking. Nearer the time I got a phone call that the girl arrived early, and if it's ok for her to come up.

A couple of minutes later, I get a knock on the door, and there is the gorgeous Paris. Amazing girl - very tall, with a great figure, in a pretty dress, and rather confident. I was the one who was nervous, as I don't have much experience with escorts.

After a drink and a little chat, she did a little striptease and then we got down to business. DFK, BBBJ were all on offer, and then I asked her to turn around and pounded her doggie style. When I finally came, we both were exhausted (or at least I was, and she gave a very good impression). So just lay there chatting, and cuddling. A true GFE!

I then asked for a massage, which she also did very well. By that time my member was asking for more, so I asked for another BJ (although she offered sex as well). Unfortunately, it usually takes me a rather long time to cum, so in the middle of it her alarm went off. She tried very hard to finish me off, but I decided not to bother anymore, so let her take a shower. By the way, at the very start she warned me that she doesn't do CIM, which was fine by me.

All in all, I had a really good time, it was really like being with girlfriend. In terms of looks, she is even better than in the pictures. The breasts are nice and firm, and the body is nicely tanned. She takes very good care of herself. The only downside is that she has a few patches on the body where the skin lost its pigmentation, so in contrast to the otherwise tanned skin they are visible. She says this was due to stress in high school. However this does not really tarnish her good looks. Moreover, her friendly and open attitude makes her even more attractive.

By the way, I conversed with her mostly in German, which she knows pretty well, but she says she understands English, but finds it more difficult to speak. She also knows some Russian, and understands some Italian. Of course her native tongue is Polish. She says she is 23, and I tend to believe her.

Highly recommended so treat her well, gentlemen![/QUOTE]Hi Spec.

Thanks for the report. I am pleased to see that my good experience with this agency was replicated in your own outing. I was intending to give Paris her 'ISG debut', but you beat me to it! Now that I have your good recommendation to hand, I will definitely give her a spin this week.

Thanks and keep posting.

Charlie

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I came across this one today and thought it pretty useful. It is a large map with pretty much all the Berlin brothels and massage places marked with a heart. Click the heart and a small window opens with details such as address and web link. You can also zoom to get further direction details on the map. I know one like this was put together sometime back on google maps but this one is pretty complete.

[url]http://karte.berlin-platz.de/?amenity=brothel[/url]

AM[/QUOTE]


Thanks! what a good reference.

Do you (or anybody) know if there is a similar map for asian/thai massage parlours?

happy mongering!
foss

I was in a mongering trip with 3 of my friends.

1 of my friends love this place:

[url]http://www.Celine-69. De/gallery.html[/url]

Pestalozzistraße 69

10627 Berlin, Germany

Which was in the backyard of our hotel, so he went there first thing in the morning. Actually he was there everyday, line up is, well, older.

Another friend of mine went back to Artermis just to see Elisa, he fell in love with her.

Me and my other friend took a taksi to Van Kampen, [url]http://www.Vankampenberlin. De/[/url] and was very impressed about the line up. Picked Naomi, 24 year old half african, half ukrainian, 180 cm tall beautyful girl. Can't get her smile out of my face.

Attitude 10

Body 10

Face 10 +

She was not so experienced, could not even put a condom on, but I would say was one of the best experiences ever.

Please, be nice to her (never said this before).

1400 our flight left, so that was it, will get back to Berlin forum next summer, hopefully.

[QUOTE=Foss]Thanks! what a good reference.

Do you (or anybody) know if there is a similar map for asian/thai massage parlours?

happy mongering!
foss[/QUOTE]


Not a map but there is this list on a German website called Farang dot de

[url]http://www.farang.de/thaimassagen.html[/url]

But this list may contain some massage places that are more legit massage. That is not all may offer extra services. As far as I know almost all Thai massage in Berlin will include a happy ending hand job. At least the places that do not are in the minority. But not all places offer such services as bj. I am not really up on how it all works as Thai massage is not my thing really.

But I can say that anytime I have had a Thai massage here in Berlin, and always because I needed the massage, I was offered (an accepted) a finishing hand job at no extra cost. €50 for the hour seems to be standard.

If someone had the juice for it they could always set up a google map with the locations marked. I sure don't

AM

Angusmagee blog was moved (rather the servers where the blog lives) yesterday. During the day for a number of hours I was off line. All was supposed to be fine by evening but there do appear to be a few problems with the new server network. My friend who runs the servers is working on it but over the next days there may well be more times when the blog goes off line. If you can not connect, just try back later.

Thanks for you patience.

Angus

(this is killing my stats for August...)

Things seem to have stabilized the past 12 hours on the servers so I have published today the third and final installment in the Berlin escort series, the indy scene.

[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=253[/url]

Have a look, comments welcome.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Not a map but there is this list on a German website called Farang dot de

[url]http://www.farang.de/thaimassagen.html[/url]

But this list may contain some massage places that are more legit massage. That is not all may offer extra services. As far as I know almost all Thai massage in Berlin will include a happy ending hand job. At least the places that do not are in the minority. But not all places offer such services as bj. I am not really up on how it all works as Thai massage is not my thing really.

But I can say that anytime I have had a Thai massage here in Berlin, and always because I needed the massage, I was offered (an accepted) a finishing hand job at no extra cost. €50 for the hour seems to be standard.

If someone had the juice for it they could always set up a google map with the locations marked. I sure don't

AM[/QUOTE]

thanks - i will check out the farang website and maybee i will find the juice to do a google massage map! cheers

1) as i knew that i would have to stay for around 60 hours in berlin, i sent email to kd, 9 days before my arrival, for a meeting with one of her ladies : so, i expected to have one meeting with her, at least.
after spending around 30 hours in berlin, i was informed that no meeting would be possible (actually, earlier, in the morning, i was proposed a (no longer than) 45 minutes meeting !)
so, more than 1 week of preparation for zero meeting : 100% failure.

as i was completely dazed, frustrated and exhausted of this failure, i wanted to have a relaxing massage that would make me feel more «*confortable*». i realized that i didn't have any adress for a real good massage (not erotic, nor tantra) so i abandonned the idea and thought about an alternative to kd. i remembered that angus wrote that royal had beautiful rooms and furthermore it's not so far from kd. so i decided to visit this house even if i didn't have so much information about the ladies who worked there.

2) the adress is bundesplatz 8.
ubahn u9, station bundesplatz, there is an exit «*bundesplatz*». outside of this exit, royal should be behind us, where there is a bank agency. when the front door is opened, we should take the first stairs on our left, up to 2nd floor. a young english spoken housekeeper introduced me into a room and as in kd,one by one, the ladies introduced themselves to me : i thought the lady who stayed with me was nele ( .[url]http://www.bordell-berlin.to/luxusbordell/nele.html[/url] )
she began to give me a massage and, if i understood well, her «*regular*» job had connection with therapeutic massage too.
for kissing, she asked for extras. after some personal experiences, one of my personal rules was that not to pay for kissing but that day was a special day, i was so dazed and disppointed that i preferred to pay extras to optimize the conditions for my wellness : of course, as that should usually happenned with paying kisses, i got some unpassionate kisses , feeling probably some millimeters of her tongue. but except these kisses, she listened to my desires and really wanted to make me feel good. i think that a new meeting with her should be better because at the end of the meeting she was less tense than at the beginning ; by the way, i realized that i might be the cause of her tension when she told me something like «*you smile now !*» : probably i arrived at royal with my disappointed «*100% failure*» face that could not make her feel relaxed !!

3) this failure in bookings points out the fact that i should prepare a «*plan b*» (for the next times )
a) who can advise me a «*house*» that proposes bookings («*escort*») but the meetings may take place in its local ? where there are no extras for kissing and where the ladies do not practise cim ? a house where the risk of having links with «*mafia*» or other slaves-trading organizations is low ?
b) for no-sex (non erotic, nor tantra) massage, does anybody know some adresses ? can i find a sauna there ?
c) does anybody know other forums (probably in german but i will use an on-line translator) where i can get information about these houses and especially about ladies working in these houses ?
thanks

hi bobo,

guess who ;)

i will try to answer some of your questions but first to your kd disappointment. it is not so clear from your post the circumstances surrounding the failure. did you feel that the kd booking girl (hausmutti) mislead you as to the girl's availability? or did it feel more like the girl you booked just did not show as she was supposed to. if the later it is understandable and has happened to me once or twice at kd. these girl carry on complicated lives sometimes and especially a younger girl is not always so dependable. i do feel that kd as a reputable bordello will eventually weed out a really undependable girl, but an occasion non show is by me understandable. that you, a man who comes from out of town and is in anticipation of his pleasure, got disappointed is regrettable. in tis game though, it does happen.

if you feel mislead, and can present a valid & reasonable argument why, i really do recommend that you write an email to discuss this with kd. keep it balanced, point out our usual satisfaction with the place and even the fact of your very regular patronage, without seeming like you use it as a lever, if that makes sense. if you were mislead and can point out, reasonably why, it would not surprise me at all if you get some satisfaction. i mean you could get a reduced rate for a return visit.

i say this as i have seen such a thing on the german forum i visit (more later on this) in which a german monger and regular of kd had a sub standard session with a girl. she was a new arrival and apparently her inexperience really showed. she also tried to bluff her way through and not follow through on the usual kd excellence of service. this man took it up with management and was offered a reduced rate on his next session. i am not 100% sure but i think that the house absorbed their fee on his return and he paid only the girl’s (a different one) fee.

now that i think of it, and this part i am really not sure as it was some months back and my memory of it is sketchy at best. remember that i read all this on a german forum (with translator but still...) and i may not have got all the details correct. however, as i remember he did not even complain straight to the management, rather he wrote a fair, balanced report on the forum describing his session. the kd management, who apparently read the forum, then contacted him through the forum and offered him the discount as long as he could prove who he was somehow.
this did impress me even considering that kd obviously knew it was doing some pretty good pr and damage control on the forum. they are regular contributors on this forum and often announce new girls there.

so that all is a rather longwinded way of saying-if you feel slighted, make some noise in a polite way. you never know...

[quote=bobo.fr]3) this failure in bookings points out the fact that i should prepare a «*plan b*» (for the next times )[/quote]


always have a plan b. especially if you come from out of town with limited time etc.

[quote=bobo.fr]a) who can advise me a «*house*» that proposes bookings («*escort*») but the meetings may take place in its local ? where there are no extras for kissing and where the ladies do not practise cim ? a house where the risk of having links with «*mafia*» or other slaves-trading organizations is low ?[/quote]

i am not entirely sure what exactly you are looking for here. i can certainly recommend liberty as a fine bordello, a little cheaper than kd but with a fine atmosphere and generally top women. but dud sessions are not unheard of here. just i myself have experienced very few (maybe one or two of a couple dozen). i do seem to have developed a knack for choosing off the website. however, many of the women at liberty do cim. not all, but many.

to tell the truth i am doubtful that you will find a place that does not do, as policy, cim, except of course, kd. cim is pretty basic service for most guys and it is only kd’s normally stellar rep that allows them to operate fully covered sessions.

as for the mafia connection, unless you head on over to neuköln, i think you find it hard to find a place that is connected with organized crime. certainly kd, liberty, sp, vk and royal (all the bigger bordellos that is) i can not imagine this connection being there. mon rouge could be connected but i doubt it. it just has that slightly seedier feel to it ime and many girls from bulgaria/romania. there is also odette in tiergarten.

[url]http://www.odetteberlin.de/[/url]

this appears a very upscale place and indeed the prices are even higher than kd. but id you read the website it appears that this is an all inclusive price with kissing, cim and maybe even anal for some girls.

if you get tempted by bel ami, know that one girl i knew well told me that it is a very expensive place, the girls are well paid and top models. but to work there they more or less have to do bbfs with some very well heeled clients who are willing to pay very high prices for this service. this is by no means fact (in that i experienced it) but told to me by a girl who had no reason to lie to me.


[quote=bobo.fr]b) for no-sex (non erotic, nor tantra) massage, does anybody know some adresses ? can i find a sauna there ?[/quote]

could you not go to any good massage parlor and ask for a nonsexual massage with sauna? why would they turn you down? ekstase is said to be good. harmonie also.

[url]http://www.ekstase-massage.de/html/team.html[/url]
[url]http://www.harmoniemassagen.de/[/url]

for good non sexual spa with massage therapists on staff try the liquidrom.

[url]http://www.liquidrom-berlin.de/de/[/url]

it is a very nice place


[quote=bobo.fr]c) does anybody know other forums (probably in german but i will use an on-line translator) where i can get information about these houses and especially about ladies working in these houses ?
thanks[/quote]

verkehrsberichte is the best i know of. you might have to sign up with the age protector service used in germany. it is possible to join without (i joined, i do not own a cc) but as i remember very difficult. try joining late at night (03:00 a.m.) to get round the age check thing. but if you are here a lot and want the local buzz, this is where to find it. the forum is very “german”, meaning that the mods get very upset if you happen to post a question in the report section (ve must follow za rulzzzz!), but over all,while no isg, i is a good forum

[url]http://www.verkehrsberichte.de/wb/index.php?page=index[/url]

hope this helps. i am too tired to proof read it so sorry for typos

am

Thanks Angus for your quick answer

1) First failure with KD
I'm fan of KD for years and it's just a first failure.
I'm sure that Kira did what she could so, if she reads this post I would like to confirm that I appreciate her "last chance" attempts and I'm not angry, just really disappointed.
I think I would be less dazed (ans disappointed) if I was informed before my arrival (or at my arrival) that the meeting would be impossible : for example, I know that meetings with Viola would be impossible (because she's not in Berlin), meetings with Cora and June would be impossible because they didn't want (the "official" (and probably "diplomatical") cause was that they practised "bizaar" games only).

I was not lucky because apparently the only day the lady I asked for was not busy in her own life was the day she was completely busy at Text&Form (so why I was proposed for a "no longer than 45 minutes" meeting by Text&Form) and apparently she had to finish her "day" around 20:00 (instead of 17:00) certainly with her local regular clients.

I don't know how is the internal organization of KD but it seems that there are two "services" : "Text&Form" service and "escort" service ; and I feel that they seem to work separately so "navigating" between two services will consumate time and so make us miss more opportunities. Furthermore , I met more often than in the past housekeepers who seemed talking only German and some ladies who helped them in answering phone calls didn't want to spend too much time in organizing meetings for her colleague !!

2) Mon Rouge
I had a doubt too because , according to its web site, I saw so many Bulgarian and Romanian ladies who work there.

3) Belami
It looks like a saunaclub where clients meet other clients.

4) Furthermore I really prefer to kiss ladies who did not practise CIM before (I know many French guys like that but I'm not French born :-) !!!)

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]There is also Odette in Tiergarten.

[url]http://www.odetteberlin.de/[/url]

This appears a very upscale place and indeed the prices are even higher than KD. But id you read the website it appears that this is an all inclusive price with kissing, cim and maybe even anal for some girls.
[/QUOTE]

I had a closer look at the webpage and it seems I am wrong. The prices for Odette are high and inclusive of just the normal services. Well,bbbj (no cim) is included but FT, Anal etc. are charged extra at higher than standard price. So this place sets a new high mark for prices. I wonder if their standards justify this? Many of the girls look nice enough but it seems you can get similar for less. Angus will not be knocking on their door anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]I'm fan of KD for years and it's just a first failure.[/QUOTE]

Well it sounds like just a booking error and they can not be blamed top harshly for that. As I say, it happens in this hobby. I am not sure if you understood that KD reads the German forum and as far as I know does not come here. But then again maybe they do? Never seen any indication that KD reads this forum. If they do-where's my discount session for all my good will ambassador work? Kidding.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]I don't know how is the internal organization of KD but it seems that there are two "services" : "Text&Form" service and "escort" service ; and I feel that they seem to work separately so "navigating" between two services will consumate time and so make us miss more opportunities. Furthermore , I met more often than in the past housekeepers who seemed talking only German and some ladies who helped them in answering phone calls didn't want to spend too much time in organizing meetings for her colleague !![/QUOTE]

Not sure how they manage things. But I do know that when booking escorts through KD it seems better to give them lots of notice. That is do not phone at 19:00 asking for the girl at 20:00. I believe that many (most?) of their escorts work on call and need some hours of prep time. Plan ahead.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]I had a doubt too because , according to its web site, I saw so many Bulgarian and Romanian ladies who work there.[/QUOTE]

Personally I do not think MR has any ties to organized crime. It is a great bordello as Charlie 123 (our MR expert) will attest to. I just say that of the big Berlin bordellos it has a slightly rougher feel and more girls working from abroad. This does not mean crime. I do not want to start unfounded rumors.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]It looks like a saunaclub where clients meet other clients.[/QUOTE]

As I hear it is more a sauna club but also exclusive and caters to what the clients want. Maybe if the gent wants privacy and no cotact with other clients he will get that. But it will cost. There is actually a pretty interesting wiki article on this place.

[url]http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bel_Ami_(Berlin)[/url]

It can be read easily with a browser translator. But I am not sure how totally accurate it is and can not imagine it being posted without in put from the club itself. Therefore what ever is said in there has to be taken lightly until such time as Angus sells the film rights to his memoirs and makes a personal assessment. Then (or sooner if the budget grows) I will make an exploratory visit and report back.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr] Furthermore I really prefer to kiss ladies who did not practise CIM before (I know many French guys like that but I'm not French born :-) !!!)[/QUOTE]

I suspect you have a long and fruitless search here my friend. Outside KD cim is a fact of life unless you can find a particular girl who does not do it. Even then you can not be certain. I can think of two girls I have seen, both of whom do not list cim in their service profile. Both do cim for Angus as he is clean and polite. Girls often under report their services on their profiles. If they like your look the offer more, at a price. In any case, outside KD and Artemis kissing is a paid option 90% of the time. And I, like you, prefer not to pay for kissing. Not because I am cheap (though that can be argued) but because I find kissing a beautiful intimacy. Paying for it seems to ruin it. That I am quite willing to pay to fuck the girl is an irony even I do not really understand. As always YMMV.

I personally do not think about it (too much) and put my faith behind modern mouthwash. I guess this is a personal thing.

AM