Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2564220]The two questions to ask are:

1. Are you getting it bare?

2. Are you on her social media?

If not, you probably don't have her respect, and you may as well be a dildo..[/QUOTE]I have never wondered whether I am just a dildo for the chick I am with, or whether I gained her respect. My objective is to have fun and enjoy the session. To the extent I do that, the rest is irrelevant. The transaction is always that I get some fun and she in return gets some money.

Also, doing it bare does not guarantee a good session. I've had many CFS sessions that were hell of lot better than some of my bareback sessions.

Yeah really.

It's all about skin to skin.

If she really wants your dick she wants the skin.

All the termas girls get tested. You can easily get tested.

Yeah really.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2564334]I have never wondered whether I am just a dildo for the chick I am with, or whether I gained her respect. My objective is to have fun and enjoy the session. To the extent I do that, the rest is irrelevant. The transaction is always that I get some fun and she in return gets some money.

Also, doing it bare does not guarantee a good session. I've had many CFS sessions that were hell of lot better than some of my bareback sessions.[/QUOTE]

Eeww that's an ugly butt.

Haha.

Eeeewww it's sooo ugly!

Rihanna noir at Barra posto 1 praia sos amadores.

This is the ass I've been fucking bare pernoite weekly. The butt that senhor cane has gone out of his way to label ugly.

I rest my case.

You can't jetski in Copa either bitches.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2564333]

I was thinking copa, ipenama, leblon or botofoga area just in general I'm doing my research of course but wanted to see if anyone has a good recommendation.

Yea we're southerns so anything below 60 is cold for us so damn LOL oh well that's the plan so we'll deal with it kkkk.

Thanks for the reply![/QUOTE]I've never experienced below 60 in Rio. I'm sure there might've been some odd years but in winter it's normally over 70, although it will drop a little at night, but not by that much. That's the time when Rio fashionistas break out their fancy light jackets and curse "brutal" Rio winters, LOL.

For a penthouse, I would start with Avenida Atlantica in Copa first. This listing reminds me of a place we rented over 10 years ago, but it's just one of many. You won't have an issue finding what you want.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1912695?adults=1&check_in=2021-09-11&check_out=2021-09-16&translate_ugc=false&federated_search_id=beda2380-26d1-44e9-bf84-b3fd3a978e1d&source_impression_id=p3_1622434481_BLyvTbeSNn1Sac1F&guests=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2564334]I have never wondered whether I am just a dildo for the chick I am with, or whether I gained her respect. My objective is to have fun and enjoy the session. To the extent I do that, the rest is irrelevant. The transaction is always that I get some fun and she in return gets some money.

Also, doing it bare does not guarantee a good session. I've had many CFS sessions that were hell of lot better than some of my bareback sessions.[/QUOTE]I mean the tute is taking cum shots to the lips, nose, and forehead. And getting fucked in the ass. And I'm supposed to be concerned about whether she respects me or not? Yes honey, I will still respect you in the morning. LOLOLOL! Let's both just have some fun with an agreed upon, transparent, fair exchange of money and move on. Maybe we will like each other enough to do it again (and again and again). Maybe not.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2564271]If my budget is 500 R pernoite (or multiple hours date) and I want them to come over to my airbnb? Barravips girls are pricey and do not negotiate. Brothels / casas / termas. I do not like, because I prefer to fuck in my apartment, it is much more enjoyable, I can put my favorite music on, pour some wine or mix up my drinks. If I'm paying for a nice apartment it would be stupid not to use it and rent a shitty motel room or fuck in a tiny termas room.

I see three options:

1. Visit mab's or dolce vita and try to grab a working girl there and bring her over to my place. Any other bars or clubs with working girls I should stop by?

2. Will try SA, the selection is poor, I guess it is not popular in Rio, but who knows. Premium membership is on sale now, and I will buy it anyways for my trip to Bogota after.

3. Visit termas and collect phone numbers and try to arrange something later. I am not sure how this is going to play out, my guess is that they would want pretty much same money as barravip girls. Also, entrance fees, drinks, etc all add up. My understanding is termas are hit or miss, sometimes lineups are good, sometimes they are not. But just to get in and see who is working requires some money and time. I don't mind spending money on drinks, etc. In fact, I love going out with girls and getting fucked up, but I just don't like being forced into paying some fees, buying bottles, etc. Required at some establishments.

I'm SA guy, I set up a date, pick a restaurant or a bar, and off we go. Eat, drink, dance, come to my place, fuck, 2 rounds usually with more drinks in between, she leaves. Rinse and repeat. I'm trying to find something similar for reasonable money in Rio.

Any suggestions are welcomed.[/QUOTE]Option 1 worked for me especially dolce vita girls are coming in and out all night plus they're freelance and can hang with you anytime. Don't forget girls who work in termas still have a full time job to go to and are only available when not working.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2564236]This is an idea I've discussed with my father (an actual economist) and is actually a fairly serious proposition. After all, famed economist Steven Levitt writes about the Economics of Drug Dealing in the best seller "Freakonomics", and I see no reason why the measure would be any less valid than the widely used "Big Mac" Index and worthy of deep study.

[URL]https://www.economist.com/big-mac-index[/URL]

One esteemed poster noted here a while back that the efflorescence of prostitution seems to occur most robustly in emerging middle-income countries in which there is still a large income inequality and where wage labor remains depressed. Thailand, Brazil, Russia would be great examples. Consider that although working girl hours remain the cheapest in low income countries like Cambodia, Philippines, and Cambodia, but there is lack of a critical infrastructure around it on the scale of aforementioned locations and the industry has not flourished. Germany and the FKK scene seems to elide this rule, but perhaps could more represent the logic of a migratory labor force from the Balkans similar to the German phenomenon of the "Polish Plumber".

First chance I get I'm going right back to Angeles City / Subic where you can get 30-40 $ BBFS with a LBFM 7 nights a week. For my money, that's the best values out there even if the whole city is a sh*t hole. I mean, priorities.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Cambodia, but I would take issue with the assertion that prostitution in the Philippines is without critical infrastructure and does not flourish there. The infrastructure may not look like Germany's, but it absolutely does exist. And how somebody can say prostitution doesn't flourish in the Philippines, I find absolutely astounding! Mind boggling! I noticed that you wrote Cambodia twice. Did you mean to say Colombia perhaps? If so, I would say the same thing. Infrastructure for flourishing prostitution.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2564271]If my budget is 500 R pernoite (or multiple hours date) and I want them to come over to my airbnb? Barravips girls are pricey and do not negotiate. Brothels / casas / termas. I do not like, because I prefer to fuck in my apartment, it is much more enjoyable, I can put my favorite music on, pour some wine or mix up my drinks. If I'm paying for a nice apartment it would be stupid not to use it and rent a shitty motel room or fuck in a tiny termas room.

I see three options:

1. Visit mab's or dolce vita and try to grab a working girl there and bring her over to my place. Any other bars or clubs with working girls I should stop by?

2. Will try SA, the selection is poor, I guess it is not popular in Rio, but who knows. Premium membership is on sale now, and I will buy it anyways for my trip to Bogota after.

3. Visit termas and collect phone numbers and try to arrange something later. I am not sure how this is going to play out, my guess is that they would want pretty much same money as barravip girls. Also, entrance fees, drinks, etc all add up. My understanding is termas are hit or miss, sometimes lineups are good, sometimes they are not. But just to get in and see who is working requires some money and time. I don't mind spending money on drinks, etc. In fact, I love going out with girls and getting fucked up, but I just don't like being forced into paying some fees, buying bottles, etc. Required at some establishments.

I'm SA guy, I set up a date, pick a restaurant or a bar, and off we go. Eat, drink, dance, come to my place, fuck, 2 rounds usually with more drinks in between, she leaves. Rinse and repeat. I'm trying to find something similar for reasonable money in Rio.

Any suggestions are welcomed.[/QUOTE]Try all three options. You might be surprised, and actually like one more than another, according to your expectations. "My mama always said, 'Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. '" – Forrest Gump.

[QUOTE=USMatt;2564262]Hi Vagabundo,

Enjoy reading your insights. At Onix is there a potential for more action or is it just HJ. Carol, Laura, Malu look hot. Did you session with them by any chance?[/QUOTE]Open menu buddy! Just make sure you ask her upfront what they will do or not do. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2564220]The two questions to ask are:
1. Are you getting it bare? 2. Are you on her social media?
If not, you probably don't have her respect, and you may as well be a dildo. [/QUOTE]I think the 1st question to ask is are you getting it for free or are you paying. In a girl's mind, if you are paying, you are a customer. If she is giving it to you for free you are her boyfriend. It is that simple. Therefore, most of us on this forum are customers, but there was a time in my early 20's when Caribbean, Costa Rican, and Columbian working girls did me for free. I will never forget Mercedes, my Cartagena black beauty, who I spent a month with almost exclusively back in the day before I headed further south. I never gave her a peso. She never asked for anything.

Given that we are customers, the 2nd question to ask is does the girl turn off her meter when she is with you and let the ST become 3 or 4 hours (anything short of an overnight). Because when a working girl turns off her meter and decides to spend her leisure time with you, it is an indication of your importance and elevated customer status in her eyes. All my repeat girls turn off their meters by our 3rd session or I drop them. On my recent Brazil visit I had 2 of my repeat call girls go extended leisure time on me and I took them out to dinner after our session. It was fun drinking a bottle of wine, getting loose & romantic and making out in the booth of an upscale steak house. I can't wait to see those two again.

Bareback can also be an indication of elevated customer status, but not always, because many girls bareback and it is a just natural way to fuck in their minds. Unfortunately, none of my repeat Brazilian girls barebacked me and it was not for lack of trying on my part. I am not sure what it means exactly. Their reticence could be Covid related or possibly I am just a dildo, ha ha. I shall see. I will expect bareback from the 4 girls I plan to reunite with when I return.

I am not sure what you mean by a girl's social media. Are you referring to her Instagram site or something else? Many of my Brazilian girls shared their Instagram sites with me. I appreciated it and liked seeing their pics, but I didn't think it was a big deal. A better indicator of how they feel is whether they keep texting after you leave town. Sometimes that become a nuisance however and I like to keep out of town text sessions to 2 or 3 (4 max) per month.

And now since it is agreed that we are all customers, I would like to conduct a little thought experiment: Imagine a working girl, any working girl, has 2 repeat American customers with very similar good looks, affable personalities, and they are both decent in bed. Customer #1 pays the girl her absolute minimum and does her during her off hours. Customer #2 pays the girl her Barra Vip's asking price and does her in prime time. In addition, Customer #2 takes the girl out to restaurants and occasionally buys her gifts like expensive designer perfume. So, which customer do you think the girl likes better? If you think the girl likes Customer #1 better, you do not understand women.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2564271]I'm SA guy, I set up a date, pick a restaurant or a bar, and off we go. Eat, drink, dance, come to my place, fuck, 2 rounds usually with more drinks in between, she leaves. Rinse and repeat. I'm trying to find something similar for reasonable money in Rio.

Any suggestions are welcomed.[/QUOTE]This is all very, very possible but it will take a bit of adjustment from the usual SA chit-chat. And SA in the States ain't no easy point and click affair. There are SA fakes, flakes and hustlers.

In my opinion, Brazil is easier to find the date / fuck type of pro. You're likely going to have to "seek arrangements" face to face. You will have to display some charm and make the girl feel comfortable.

[QUOTE=GordyGekko;2564272]The majority of these girls are more comfortable seeing the customer in the terma for the first encounter. After that, the customer can get her number and have her come to his place for a better agreed upon price. Going to a terma and getting a bunch of numbers doesn't mean you have any guarantee of girls coming over to your place. It's funny how the hit / miss ratio of this strategy is NEVER mentioned. So if you go to a terma and see someone you like and are getting along well with, do the test drive there. There's no shame in it. You're on vacation with limited time.[/QUOTE]Yes, yes, no guarantees! Some girls won't respond. Some will text you for two hours that they are on their way and then flake. Something better to do came up for them. You might be on your last full day of vacation. The girl shows up three hours late while you wait in your apartment or the cafe downstairs. When do you take your Vitamin V? Is she fifteen minutes away or is she still at home an hour away?

This is why it's better to really work on a connection in the termas. That is why every experienced member recommends telling the girl that you will be there for another month. Learn some Portuguese! Vagabundo has the advantage of Portuguese language skills and being a local. The girls know they might be a regular in his rotation. If you are an attractive termas girl, you're going to be making great money for an unskilled, young Brazilian. One bloke leaving in three days isn't going to change their economics very much.

Dolce Vita and Mabs are good markets for carry out albeit small inventory. Same reason the old Help was (although much larger selection). There is more price transparency. You don't pay for the pomp and circumstance of Scandallo in SP. Everyone there will strike a deal for some lovin' that night. The price will tend to decline as the night wears on. However in an auction set-up, the girl might be obtained by another monger before you meet her ask.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2564147]We'll be getting a villa or something like that (any recommendations for some hidden gems? Greatly appreciated) in Copa or Ipanema (barra I liked the many options for cheap luxury condos / villas but the travel from the beach / termas girls is a huge miss for me, I like to step out and feel the sun and sand without planning a whole routine and terma girls are always down to fuck after their shift if they struck out that night and it's a pain to wait 30+ minutes for them to get to barra, prive girls are ok but not very GFE and are pretty mechanical to me IMO).[/QUOTE]I'm a bit confused by the mention of renting a villa in Copa and Ipanema. These aren't resort towns. These are densely populated urban areas with high-rises and mid-rises. It's possible there are some old "villas" scattered around. Even if there are, affluent people who own a villa will have on-premises staff who watch the home even when renters are present. So they will likely enforce the rules of the house.

If you are truly set on finding a villa rental, your best bet is to look further west of Copa / Ipanema. However, you have to adjust to the distance from the center. There are also quiet neighborhoods like Jardim Botanico and Botafogo, but you aren't going to be near the fun beaches.

Moreover, if you offer a fair deal, and she likes you, she can actually replace working in a terma with you.

For example, Rihanna Noir was working in a dark side terma.

I offered her 400 pernoite.

She meets me at Central, and goes pernoite with me, which is more than she would probably make at the terma, maybe for more than one night.

She's still fucking some real BF back in Zona Norte, but she's with me pernoite instead of the terma, which she quit.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2564343]Yeah really.

It's all about skin to skin.

If she really wants your dick she wants the skin.

All the termas girls get tested. You can easily get tested.

Yeah really.[/QUOTE]