Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=TheCane;2564460]I have not been to Cambodia, but I would take issue with the assertion that prostitution in the Philippines is without critical infrastructure and does not flourish there. The infrastructure may not look like Germany's, but it absolutely does exist. And how somebody can say prostitution doesn't flourish in the Philippines, I find absolutely astounding! Mind boggling! I noticed that you wrote Cambodia twice. Did you mean to say Colombia perhaps? If so, I would say the same thing. Infrastructure for flourishing prostitution.[/QUOTE]Total agreement- late night brain fart that once submitted could not be edited. I think in my bleary mind I was comparing Philippines and Cambodia to nearby Thailand, which is obviously much more developed (flourishing) in terms of said profession. Still it should be noted, and I speak from experience, there is a great girly-bar scene in Phnom Penh which is very enjoyable and full of options. And mongers around the world do indeed head to Subic / Angeles / Manila, and to a lesser extent Cebu for a good time. Fields Avenue in Angeles is not Walking Street in Pattaya, but I've had great times there.

As for the double Cambodia- I think I meant to say Indonesia which has a small scene in Bali and Jakarta but would surely be much bigger if not for the whole Islam thing. I had a great time in Malang with a non-pro so the dating scene there is actually pretty great.

Thanks for holding me to it Mr Cane. And my what a lively board this is.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2564206]That says it all.

You haven't been to Rio or Brazil.

Good luck, lad.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but mongering is mongering. I've been to Chile, Argentina, SEA, Japan, China, Canada, and the good ol' US of A to engage in this hobby (maybe I have a problem) and it's all the same. Women charge what they can get and men pay the least they can get. There is no regional cabal that keeps prices up (like diamond miners) so you are getting market dictated prices. The internet has probably changed prices forever because these women see the value they can make in other places or online and adjust accordingly if they have the means to, but it doesn't actually matter because most women cannot afford to lose income waiting.

Every board complains about the same things. You have the cheapskates who always complain about how prices aren't like they used to be 25 years ago and ignore basic economics like inflation or the cost of living. You have the weekend warriors who come in throw a bunch of money down at the airport and expect to have perfect 10's with fluent English roll out the red carpet and act as their servants. Finally, the dreaded question-askers who want to be handed the keys to these perfect 10's by posters on this board without doing any work. People keep pointing to the average salary of workers in Brazil like that is what these girls should be charging. First off, the average standard living in Brazil would be considered living in poverty in the US. Why should these women strive for that life? Additionally, most of these women have 10 years of work in this business so they have to compact all of their earnings into this because they won't have any other skills when they eventually get married or are "retired" due to age / looks. Smart women can achieve more but let us be real here; most people in life suck at planning for the future.

Guys like Bearsi and ZebraStripes seem to understand this game well. Human social interaction will never be a straight economic transaction; it will always be contingent on external factors. Women are not the same game where you can figure out the rules to optimize your results. Hell, I think you have a great mentality for how you do things as well. You play the "game" and have found the price point that matches your interests, income, and style; that may not work for other people. You don't go around trying to beat the system by trying to scam the system, you just work within it to find your sweet spot. That's what we should all strive for in mongering.

My trip is coming up soon and I'll be getting my PCR test to get ready. Here's the list I've compiled so far. Please let me know if I'm missing any "must try" locations. I did post this in the SP forum, thought I'd post here, too. This list is in the context of most of my time being in SP and 4 nights in Rio.

[B][u]Rio[/u][/B]

Solarium.

Termas 65.

Dolce vita.

Mabs.

Terma 65 (whiskeria 65) - close to 4 x4.

4 x4.

Monte carlo termal.

Centaurus.

[B][u]SP[/u][/B]

Scandallo.

Abbora.

Moema Prime.

Enjoy Spa.

Miruna.

ClinicacTangara, Rua Tangar, 200.

Casaro Augusta, Rua Augusta 787 Consolacao.

Bomboa.

Connections club.

Julia 57.

Cafe Photo.

I should've started this list a little sooner, as I'm sure I've missed a few before I started taking notes. I'm really grateful for this community in helping me compile this list and getting a head start before I land. And I look forward to contributing with my own set of reports in the upcoming days. =).

Probably should replace one T65 line item with Termas Manhattan (formerly Cancun) it's also walking distance to 4 X4.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2564546]My trip is coming up soon and I'll be getting my PCR test to get ready. Here's the list I've compiled so far. Please let me know if I'm missing any "must try" locations. I did post this in the SP forum, thought I'd post here, too. This list is in the context of most of my time being in SP and 4 nights in Rio.

[B][u]Rio[/u][/B]

Solarium.

Termas 65.

Dolce vita.

Mabs.

Terma 65 (whiskeria 65) - close to 4 x4.

4 x4.

Monte carlo termal.

Centaurus.

[B][u]SP[/u][/B]

Scandallo.

Abbora.

Moema Prime.

Enjoy Spa.

Miruna.

ClinicacTangara, Rua Tangar, 200.

Casaro Augusta, Rua Augusta 787 Consolacao.

Bomboa.

Connections club.

Julia 57.

Cafe Photo.

I should've started this list a little sooner, as I'm sure I've missed a few before I started taking notes. I'm really grateful for this community in helping me compile this list and getting a head start before I land. And I look forward to contributing with my own set of reports in the upcoming days. =).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2564475]

And now since it is agreed that we are all customers, I would like to conduct a little thought experiment: Imagine a working girl, any working girl, has 2 repeat American customers with very similar good looks, affable personalities, and they are both decent in bed. Customer #1 pays the girl her absolute minimum and does her during her off hours. Customer #2 pays the girl her Barra Vip's asking price and does her in prime time. In addition, Customer #2 takes the girl out to restaurants and occasionally buys her gifts like expensive designer perfume. So, which customer do you think the girl likes better? If you think the girl likes Customer #1 better, you do not understand women.[/QUOTE]This right here. At the end of the day, we are customers to these women. They need the money and we want to get laid.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2564605]This right here. At the end of the day, we are customers to these women. They need the money and we want to get laid.[/QUOTE]There are always those mongers who start thinking and acting like they're something other than a client. But the hard reality is as you say. If you're paying her, then a customer you are. Granted, not all clients are going to be viewed and treated as equals in her eyes, but still any man who pays is a client nevertheless. Stop paying out the money, and make it clear that no more is forthcoming, and see what happens next. See how "special" you are then. She will be out of there faster than you can say Jack Robinson! In a New York minute!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2564475]So, which customer do you think the girl likes better?[/QUOTE]The conditions of your question is framed in a way that is bias toward a specific answer. I think VB1 will just say [COLOR=red][B]NEXT[/B][/COLOR].

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2564605]This right here. At the end of the day, we are customers to these women. They need the money and we want to get laid.[/QUOTE]This is probably the case for 99% of the audience here. There are your rare expats / locals who are playing the long game, getting laid for (almost) free. And if I were living there for more than a month, I'd probably be interested. But as a short term visitor, all I care about is getting a good lay. BB would be great, not a requirement. A requirement is finding a great GFE session that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg every session. It's also nice to know that bangable 10's are out there for a price (e.g. Scandallo and Centaurus). But it's also nice to know the other termas and clinicas offering much more budget friendly options.

As they say, different strokes for different folks.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2564548]Probably should replace one T65 line item with Termas Manhattan (formerly Cancun) it's also walking distance to 4 X4.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Someone in SP forum mentioned T65 and I thought I didn't have it on my list. I've replaced with Manhattan/Cancun per your suggestion.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2564236]Germany and the FKK scene seems to elide this rule, but perhaps could more represent the logic of a migratory labor force from the Balkans similar to the German phenomenon of the "Polish Plumber".[/QUOTE]I think another reason is because it is an efficient operation so the girls can work more and make more money.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2564522]Every board complains about the same things. You have the cheapskates who always complain about how prices aren't like they used to be 25 years ago and ignore basic economics like inflation or the cost of living. People keep pointing to the average salary of workers in Brazil like that is what these girls should be charging. First off, the average standard living in Brazil would be considered living in poverty in the US.[/QUOTE]The inflation argument would be done with a basket of goods. If the basket of goods has only gone up 20%, why would prostitution have gone up a whopping 500%? The USA has nothing to do with what is going on in Brazil. The average Brazilian male is not paying 1000 reais per night for a chick that would be in Mabs as a Mabs chick would attempt to charge a foreigner. The average salary of workers in Brazil matters because Brazilian men with Brazilian salaries are who their primary customers are. These men are not paying 1 month's salary to be with a chick the way some foreigners are coming along and paying that.

It is like locals have been fishing peacefully at a pond forever using fishing poles. Most foreigners will go down to the pond and fish the same way the locals are. Then comes a foreigner that decides he wants to fish with dynamite. Then another. Then another. Soon the locals change ponds and any other foreigner that comes to the old pond will have to bring dynamite or he is leaving fishless.

For the sake of yourself and everybody, get some tenofovir 300 MG for HIV protection (Gay men use it) and watch Hep see, or better still wear something that can delay a pop.

Syphilis is also a danger.

The alternative is Kazakhstan Gypsy tears in an amulet. I am so grateful Fox news put me onto the UFO / fake moon landing / CIA / 5 G conspiracy and along with Facebook enabled valuable theoretical breakthroughs that turns out were in the Pyramids but concealed by the Government, along with making gold and oil from water.

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I will say the Price of Pussy (POP) suggest the Real is undervalued and that includes BR companies that earn hard currency. I have not found a POP ETF. Part of the problem is that measuring POP creates all sorts of insider trading and agency problems of the field staff. I will volunteer for this duty!

I'd like to start this mini-update by addressing this issue about "respect" from a girl through social media contact and "raw" contact which was made in reference to me. It's actually a really interesting knot to untie and since I obviously do not accept the critique or the ad hominem that followed, this is an opportunity to address a category error that was and is often made. Let's grant the premise for the sake of argument and envision a world where I run back to the forum to report on a new garota that I have made the acquaintance of who: 1. Lets me raw dog all night long, and 2. Has made full insta contact etc. Ok, according to the premise, that's it guys, I have this girls respect and can hang that trophy on the wall and ye all can bask in my radiant glow! Except that during my triumphal lap beneath the thundering sound of applause, this girl slips away to work, IE to suck cocks and ride them, maybe even your cock, and that "respect" I had earned, well it's not worth a lot. The premise is revealed to be flawed.

These are working girls and we have professional relationships with them that some times seem personal, but are not. Accordingly, they make professional decisions like going uncovered (a somewhat bad decision in the long run), or allowing the world (including their family) to see they have a lot of older dudes on their social media. One wonders why? Once again for those in the back-at the end of the day, any connection you make you must remember it is professional and not personal. It's an easy mistake we make because we feel fucking amazing and virile after we have sex with them and we allow the fantasies to tumble through our imagination. This is fine, but only up to a point.

Moving along, since I last checked in the pernoites with Lucrezia have become regular, if not daily (other than Sunday and today), and we've developed a good professional rapport that I am satisfied with. This morning I was feeling a bit off though- I've enjoyed establishing something that has potential to be consistent over the next couple months, but also it was feeling suffocating. I'm looking forward to going to the "spa" with her this week (the non-sex kind), but also feeling a bit hemmed in by my developing habit and don't want to be in the position where I commit the category error discussed above.

It's at this moment that a garota previously discussed as frequenting Mabs Bar and Dolce Vita and who I believe that Rio Bob had the pleasure of working with, re-enters the picture with a zapp message that we should hang out as she's leaving to see her son tomorrow. We shall call this garota "Letitia". Like Lucrezia she is a mignon, very pretty, with a great attitude. I had previously declined her ententes because she does not allow leite na boca or na cara and that's one of my requirements. This despite finding her very hot and enjoyable to work with. I message back that I am interested but only if I can have leite no rosto. She makes a joke- why do I like cum on my face- but gives me a quote of 400 which is well above the 250 I previously enjoyed because its an "extra". I stand firm at 300 and she accepts after going down, down, and then finally meeting the bid. Like I said she needs the money to buy her son presents and I wasn't really into it unless I had this.

She came over and we had a great time as you can imagine. Leite no rosto for those who don't know means "milk on the face". And on the face it was, gentlemen. Now this is a garota I do have insta contact with (oh the "respect" and she told me that she saw a story I had posted that had pictured Lucrezia at the beach club and that made her jealous. I started talking a bit about Lucrezia and she says we should all three of us hang out and if it's not a "relationship" why should anyone get jealous? Ok, true- but I'm not sure it works that way. Once again, this is where all these lines begin to blur and the category errors are made. I do enjoy the thought of a threesome, but it would surely change everything and what's the point? Better to just develop one or two consistent working relationships with some side action and let sleeping dogs lie. She even suggested we go see Lucrezia at work which is both insane and expensive sounding. All of this is a moot point because she's leaving for Curitiba the day after next- but will return in a month.

One poignant moment worth relating- during our post-coital discussion I asked her which club, Mab's or DV she liked more and she replied "neither, I just go to them because I need to make money". Again- this is all business my dudes.

All this to say that I'm glad I got out of my mini monogamy rut and now see a clearer path forward. I'm attaching some photos that Letitia sent me although this is something I feel conflicted about. It seems like bragging at the expense of their privacy even though the identity is not obvious. I have photos of Lucrezia as well but will not be posting them as of yet.

Hopefully the rain clears and a fun week / end lies ahead.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2563176]If you're the average tourist who stays in Copa, you owe it to yourself to take an uber to Olegario maciel 135.

This is Raval.

It is a bar which has hookah.

Across the street are several bars, including bar do adao, which is famous for a certain kind of crepe.

Next to bar do adao, is a little bar on an open air design. Here is where the best barravipsrio girls stay all night, smoking little has&h cigarettes with their dates or friends. It is as close to a upscale VM as you will find. It is an upscale Mabs. It is better than Mabs because it is really the hottest, best, prettiest women in Rio, as good or better than Leblon, which is the other real upscale girl area -- the little street with Boteca Belmonte.

IMHO, Copa is shit, merda, trash for tourists. If you want to swim in shit water from your toilet, the toilet which is 500 years of guanabara bay, then go to copa and swim. You won't die, but you will come out with a thin or a thick layer of shit depending on whether it is warmer or colder. If you want to swim in clear Atlantic ocean salt water which is healthy, then go to Olegario Maciel 135, and swim there. The water is superb, the scenery is the best in Rio in terms of the bunda. Down the street at Av Pepe 400 is the "yellow house" as the locals call it, IE, Perola Negra, the boate / terma which has the same talent as 4 x4, literally the same girls, I can quote for you two or more of the exact same girls.

Olegario Maciel is the uber local the Miami beach of Rio.

I feel like I have become the advocate for Barra, but in fact it was Safado 69 who first mentioned Transamerica, I only followed.

So there is my modest proposal. Save this address: Olegario maciel 135. The closest love motel is Motel Dunas. Look it up on the guiademoteis site. Transamerica is at Av Gastao Senges 395.

Paris Cafe is good too, it is down Av Americas at about Posto 9 or 10, but it is just a honky tonk bar in the middle of a big ass freeway..[/QUOTE]This is an all around solid post. The "she will go home and fuck a motoboy" made me literally laugh out loud. That's some real shit and it's things like that that made me stop giving a shit what these silly little girls think about me or much of anything else really. You can easily drive yourself crazy trying to understand a GDP and her thought process. I'm a player by nature so I've played the games from every angle and have to say the ROI just isn't there. I refuse to invest so much energy into the mental gymnastics ever again. Not PC but what's the saying? It's like winning the special Olympics, you won but you're still retarded. And I'm probably a jaded fuck but that goes for all women not just GDP's. I've noticed that non-pro pussy Is coveted here. Well I've gotten plenty and have gone full circle. I'd rather pay monetarily.

Anyway, VB1 gives out a lot of gems in this post. His insight is spot on. Olegario Maciel. That street takes me way back. There used to be a club called The Cat Walk on that street owned by a guy named Jeff. Super cool guy who used to hang at TA / Help in the mid 2000's. He had like 8 expensive foreign cars. Turns out he was major in the drug game in Europe. He ended up getting extradited to England and Spain I believe. You'd have to spend $1. 000 for a small table at Cat Walk but he'd always comp me. And his doorman would see me and bring me straight to the front of the line much to the dismay of the wealthy Brazilians waiting to get in. I must say I rather enjoyed that. Good times. Thanks for the update on the area. Might take a look although I don't really like being around the locals in Barra.

About the price debate. I understand both sides and don't have a problem with either. If you live in Rio or spend extended time and have street smarts, you aren't going to want to pay top dollar even if money is no object. It's just not congruent with being street smart. Plus if you're used to getting free pussy and have style and swag it's pretty degrading to pay any chick that much money. But if you're a tourist it makes sense since there is a firm time deadline. Totally different mindset. I like the fact that tourists essentially fortify the girls since it allows them to be more lenient with what they'll accept from me. If they depended on guys like me for rent and bills they'd be in trouble. So everybody has their place in the ecosystem. Live and let live, there's always a silver lining.