American Politics

[QUOTE=Canada;2539210]What jobs won't Americans do? I don't know of any jobs that this is true. Please name one job that an American won't do.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2539270]Strawberry picker.

Since I was a kid here in the OC, there's always been a seasonal shortage. I always instead chose to attend the Strawberry Festival.

Here's an article from the Orange County Register:

[URL]https://www.ocregister.com/2017/04/11/immigration-raids-scare-california-farmers-not-just-their-workers/[/URL]

"So Democratic USA Sen. Dianne Feinstein, then in her second full term, decided to check how much of the unemployment problem, then and now serious in both California and the entire nation, could be chalked up to the undocumented taking jobs from USA Citizens who wanted them.[/QUOTE]The Florida Strawberry festival is a bigger event than the one held in Orange County California.

Annually more than 500,000 guests go to the Florida Strawberry Festival. The one held in 2019 in Plant City Florida set a new attendance record of 563,000 for its 11 day run.

In 2020 the Florida Strawberry Festival was held for 11 days in February-March. I have not found reference to what attendance they enjoyed last year.

This year the show went on, but without headline entertainment like in prior years. It was expected to be much smaller this year.

I saw blogger video of this year's opening day on March 4, 2011. In the video I saw, it looked like ghost town with hardly any guests.

The Florida Strawberry festival had its last day on Sunday, March 14th. If attendance ever gets announced, I expect it will be dismal.

The Orange County Strawberry Festival is a much smaller event, traditionally held for four days in Garden Grove CA over Memorial day weekend.

I guess it was more than a month ago, it was announced that the 62nd annual Strawberry festival received it second postponement and is re-scheduled to Memorial Day Weekend in May 2022.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541863]Che Guevara most certainly wasn't Cuban. Can you tell me how many elections Cuba had after the foreign-led coup?

Israelis have every right to return to their land and it has been inhabited by Israelis for several thousands of years. If the Palestinians had accepted the existence of non-Muslims in the Middle East they would have been much better off today.[/QUOTE]What has Che Guevara got to do with the US having open relations with Cuba? Hasn't he been dead for decades? When have I discussed him?

You know Saudi Arabia is a kingdom? The heir to the thrown has been busily murdering opponents but the US maintains full diplomatic relations with them.

Just like all you right wing nutters here you just constantly change the subject when you hit a brick wall of logic. You claim betrayal by having more open relations with Cuba when the past 120 years of policy towards Cuba has been a failure. I think improving the lives of the people there will lead to better lifestyles and improvement in freedom.

No being absent from a region fir 1000 years gives no right of return. Certainly no right to evict residents at gun point.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541551]You have made your ignorance, arrogance and hatred more and more obvious for each post you write and I can't be surprised that you end up welcoming the genocide of not only one ethnic group but three, Persians, Arabs and Israelis.

You're pretty much the definition of evil, and I don't say that lightly. I guess you're a fair representation of what the Democrats have turned to. A bunch of hateful national socialists. No wonder extremists like Ilhan Omar feel welcomed in the party.

The Israelis right to Israel dates back thousands of years. You call the Israelis terrorists simply because they defend themselves against terrorists. The Israelis could wipe Palestine off the map if they so desired, but they don't. It's simple, Israel wants to live in peace while the Palestinians rather kill themselves and their children than live in peace. We see it all over the world, crazy Muslims terrorizing Hindus in India, Buddhists in Myanmar & Thailand, Jews in Israel and Christians pretty much all over the globe. Not to mention how they terrorize each other.

Only a full blown Nazi as you would deny the Israelis their right to defend themselves. Israel is a peaceful democracy while Palestine is a violent dictatorship promoting terrorism against Israel and violence against their own people..[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]This time I'm not going to bother spelling it all out in detail for you.

These groups that you love have been warring for thousands of years. They haven't moved on and won't move on until they have wiped each other out or one wins. I don't care about any of them. If they want to it let then go for it!

Maybe the Israelis should be put in chains and handed back to the Egyptians? Weren't they runaway slaves? Maybe sent to Italy, weren't they Roman slaves? If you want to talk about someone having some right because their descendants lived somewhere 2000 years ago then the world will be in for a big shakep. Someone can just turn up at your doorstep with a gun and tell you to leave because 2000 years ago my ancestor was a barbarian and he roamed this area, get out!

If you are American behave like it. If you want to be Cuban or Venezuelan go back there.

Iran does not support the Taliban, Pakistan does.

Iran does not support AlQaeda Saudi does.

The US owes Hezbollah and Iran a debt to destroying ISIS.

If anyone should be in jail it is Bush, Cheyney, Rumsfeld and Powell for the Iraq war.

Let me know when the fever and frothing stop and you want to listen to rational arguments.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541654]I have no love of Castro. [/QUOTE]Good, so you're a little less delusional than I thought.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541654]Are you saying Israel has not taken in millions of European refugees and displaced the Palestinians at gunpoint? Is that not the cause of the wars? You asked the question then clearly Israel is the cause. Why do you think it was acceptable for those people who had not called that region home for millennia be allowed to just flood in and displace those people from their homes?[/QUOTE]1. Every Jew in Europe was a refugee after the WW2.

2. No, the cause of all wars was the Arab countries desire to throw Israel into the sea.

3. No, Israel has always offered peace to its neighbors, which most of them have ignored. It's not the cause.

Your arguments are idiotic at best and anti-Semitic at worst. This garbage about "European refugees," as if you don't know why they were refugees in Europe. People who lost everything and whose homes had been taken by their neighbors. People who barely survived the camps were beaten, chased away and even murdered when they tried to return back home.

Lots of choices they had!

There were no Israel and no Palestine before 1948. The UN voted on creation of 2 new countries. Israel accepted that division, but the armies of several Arab countries attacked with all their might. They thought it would be super-easy, well, they've had enough opportunities to think again.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542029]1. Every Jew in Europe was a refugee after the WW2.

2. No, the cause of all wars was the Arabs desire to throw Israel into the sea.

3. No, Israel that always offered peace to its neighbors is not the cause.

Your arguments are idiotic at best and anti-Semitic at worst. This garbage about "European refugees," as if you don't know why they were refugees in Europe. People who lost everything and whose homes had been taken by their neighbors. People who barely survived the camps were beaten, chased away and even murdered when they tried to return back home..[/QUOTE]1. Not exactly but there a big number were.

2. As you pointed out the state of Israel was a construction by the UN, dictated by the major powers. Why should Arabs have to accept that? What did they get in return? Just like any decision just foistered on people its no surprise when there is resistance.

3. Israel has only offered peace on its terms. They have not ever tried to fix the root problems.

It pretty simple to call someone anti Semetic because they don't support the Jewish state from doing whatever they please. The reality is I have no animas towards Jews apart from their proposition that they have some special place and destiny in this world because of some ancient fairy tale. I apply that to Christians and Muslims as well!

I am not saying they had a lot of choices but driving the local non Jews from their homes and land by gunpoint was not an acceptable one and why there is still a festering sore in the region because of the way it was done.

So where is this Arab state? Israel opposes a two state solution and even if it were to occur I don't see it being logistically viable.

Israel is an artificial construct and like any buildings laid on poor foundations it will eventually topple. If it were not for the US support it would have already toppled. What do you think will happen when the US is no longer the big dog and they have to support themselves? The only way to get permanence is a real peace addressing the shortcomings of 70 years ago.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542029]2. No, the cause of all wars was the Arab countries desire to throw Israel into the sea.
3. No, Israel has always offered peace to its neighbors, which most of them have ignored.[/QUOTE]Well done! You've bought the whole narrative. You'll be raptured for sure.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2542108]Well done! You've bought the whole narrative. You'll be raptured for sure.[/QUOTE]This is what Golfinho losing a debate looks like.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541963] . . . Just like all you right wing nutters here you just constantly change the subject when you hit a brick wall of logic. . . . [/QUOTE]Just wait for the "doubling down" on said logic.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2542226]This is what Golfinho losing a debate looks like.[/QUOTE]What debate? You're spouting opinion.

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Israel is an artificial construct [/QUOTE]Wow, how wonderful! Beautiful even.

Let's see, are there other countries that might be defined as "artificial"?

Like, I don't know, Pakistan, Iraq, all former USSR republics?

Hey, don't forget India! What a perfectly artificial construct by the British Empire.

Palau, Kosovo, East Timor, Montenegro. Hey, what's up with Belgium? Is it French or is it Dutch?

What about Palestine? Not artificial? Sure, it's ALWAYS been there, right?

So, is it just Israel or are there other "artificial" countries that don't have the right to exist?

I bet it's just Israel, isn't it? Why would you care about other "Jewless" countries?

Speaking of which, no, of course, you have no animus for Jews -- unless there are too many of them in one place.

Just wonder if there is any other country on Earth that you would DARE to hold to a standard as high as Israel.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542397]Wow, how wonderful! Beautiful even.

Let's see, are there other countries that might be defined as "artificial"?

Like, I don't know, Pakistan, Iraq, all former USSR republics?

Hey, don't forget India! What a perfectly artificial construct by the British Empire.

Palau, Kosovo, East Timor, Montenegro. Hey, what's up with Belgium? Is it French or is it Dutch?

What about Palestine? Not artificial? Sure, it's ALWAYS been there, right?

So, is it just Israel or are there other "artificial" countries that don't have the right to exist?.[/QUOTE]You are correct, Pakistan India, Bangladesh, Kashmir has plenty of issues, Azerbaijan, Armenia also, Georgia / Russia, Balkans, Iraq, Ukraine / Russia, Moldova, Cyprus, no shortage of problematic states, conflicts but we were not discussing them. We are discussing Israel. You find them blameless many don't. They are the ones who play the Jew card, any criticism and its anti semetic, poor us look how badly were were treated in WW2 so we need special treatment and sympathy. Maybe lose that attitude and deal with the issues and peace might be possible. But when they behave like victims of violence who become the same themselves then nothing will change.

A typical example is when Hamas won elections in Gaza. Instead of accepting the democratically elected representatives and opening a dialogue they were labelled terrorists and shunned. It wasn't until the UK opened a dialogue with Sein Fein that peace was achieved in Northern Ireland. Yes they had terrorist links but unless you open a dialogue and resolve issues nothing changes.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2542397]Just wonder if there is any other country on Earth that you would DARE to hold to a standard as high as Israel.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.[/QUOTE]Nah, just the standard the Zionist state holds everyone else to: immigration from Africa, Mideast, any poor refugee or economic migrant can get into the US, the EU or the UK, but oh no, no migrants into the ethno-religious Zionist apartheid state. The double-standard and the hypocrisy, not to mention the standard of the supremacism, which indeed no other state or people holds so high (LOL) is why the Zionist state has deservedly earned its pariah status.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2542611]Nah, just the standard the Zionist state holds everyone else to: immigration from Africa, Mideast, any poor refugee or economic migrant can get into the US, the EU or the UK, but oh no, no migrants into the ethno-religious Zionist apartheid state. The double-standard and the hypocrisy, not to mention the standard of the supremacism, which indeed no other state or people holds so high (LOL) is why the Zionist state has deservedly earned its pariah status.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.[/QUOTE]And the biggest irony of all is that it is powerful and influential Jewish media and political lobbying organisations in the West that are pushing through so much third world immigration, against the wishes of the population, while simultaneously maintaining Israel's right to refuse entry to any non-Jews, build 30 foot high border walls and shoot on sight. There is actually an Israeli organisation called IsraAID which helps third world "refugees" (migrants). But not to settle in Israel, oh no! It helps them break into Europe. That's chutzpah I guess.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2542611]Nah, just the standard the Zionist state holds everyone else to: immigration from Africa, Mideast, any poor refugee or economic migrant can get into the US, the EU or the UK, but oh no, no migrants into the ethno-religious Zionist apartheid state. The double-standard and the hypocrisy, not to mention the standard of the supremacism, which indeed no other state or people holds so high (LOL) is why the Zionist state has deservedly earned its pariah status.

Don't bother, I already have your answer.[/QUOTE]The Anti-Semitic global conspiracy peddler is beginning to open up some more. It's certainly no wonder why you are sympathetic with the cause of the supremacists that invaded the US Captial, the same cowards that remain our greatest US domestic terrorist threat. It's always best to know what you're dealing with, assuming you show your face and articulate your views in public. That however may well be too much to assume.

[URL]https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/E-Michael-Jones.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-06/dhs-white-supremacists-the-most-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2542618]And the biggest irony of all is that it is powerful and influential Jewish media and political lobbying organisations in the West that are pushing through so much third world immigration, against the wishes of the population, while simultaneously maintaining Israel's right to refuse entry to any non-Jews, build 30 foot high border walls and shoot on sight. There is actually an Israeli organisation called IsraAID which helps third world "refugees" (migrants). But not to settle in Israel, oh no! It helps them break into Europe. That's chutzpah I guess.[/QUOTE]Someone gave the green light and the Anti-Semites are scurrying out of the woodwork at break neck speed. The Jews are naturally defensive given all the persecutions they've been the brunt of throughout the centuries. Much of this has been a simple reaction to the fact that they often are very capable, well educated, ambitious and hard working, plus they often collaborate in business. They thus represent formidable competition, and thus are deemed a threat. Other motivations to attack them have been wholly irrational, but none have justified mass murder. It's also worth noting that Jews aren't monolithic. They come in a variety of shades, as to politics and interpretations of their religion.

As to the present, the quest is to survive while many in their part of the world feel they should pack up and leave immediately. The threats are from outside, thus they have set up breaches and courted alliances. Currently the greatest terrorist threat the US is facing is from within.

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-06/dhs-white-supremacists-the-most-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us[/URL]

By the way there's nothing new about all these global Jewish conspiracy theories. They've been in the bigot's hip pocket for centuries, and are particularly useful for luring in the angry and ill educated, who are most vulnerable to embracing sweeping stereotypes and conclusions. Then there's also a few pseudo intellectuals like the failed academic E. Michael Jones. Though a guy like that still needs a sucker.