Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Rahulmangla2009;1186670]Other interesting area I found based on my research is the Ratchadaphisek road which has basically got many "Entertainment areas" at a very short distance almost adjacent to each other : Nataree, Hi class, Emanuelle etc. But there is some Pharang charge in some of these which am not sure is whether applicable to me or not? I am an Indian. So, will it be applicable?[/QUOTE]Yes, the farang surcharge will apply.

[QUOTE=Rahulmangla2009;1186670]Also, wanted to know whether is it OK if I don't like any girl in a massage parlor and leave that place without any service? I. E. If I go to annies and don't like the available selection, can I leave that place without the owner making a huge fuss?[/QUOTE]That's perfectly fine. Have done this myself without any fuss being made.

Hey harry dude,

Thanks a lot for your reply man!

Based on my further research I have found that Mango massage (soi 24) and Nataree massage (ratchadaphisek) don't have farang charges. Can you / some others on this forum confirm this. In case, I don't like Annies, I will try these places as well.

[QUOTE=Harry Dude; 1187190]Yes, the farang surcharge will apply.

That's perfectly fine. Have done this myself without any fuss being made.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry I haven't reported on my recent trips to Thailand and the Philippines, my two preferred destinations for mongering in SE Aisa, but I felt I should share with you, what I regard is a very worrying trend that now appears to be occuring in P. 4 P. In these countries.

Like most of us on here, I have been a regular monger for well over 25 yrs and for the first 22-23 yrs, I can only recall 2-3 cases of me contracting a STD. However over the past 2-3 years I have picked a STD on 5 out of past 6 trips to Thailand and 2 out of the past 3 trips to the Philippines! The STD's have ranged from NSUI, to Chlamydia and in recent times the big G, Gonorrhea on 2 occasions.

I always use use a condom for vaginal sex but like many of us I prefer BBBJ. Hence more source of infection. In Thailand I have picked up girls from either the Nana carpark, on Sukhumviht Road. Near on Soi 5. 6, the old Nana disco, the Beer Garden, and Soi Cowboy etc. As the girls were from many different places I wasn't always sure where I picked up the infections from, although the freelancers on Sukhumvit were primary suspects in my mind!

On my most two recent trips to BKK I decided to ditch all of the above pick up places and stick to the massage parlour scene, mainly Mango and Pink Massage Parlours on Soi 24. However the same result occured with me contracting Chlamydia and Gonorrhea on two seperate occasions I have visited there. I do know the names of some of the girls involved but I don't feel I should name them on here. I was wondering how often are these girls tested and how stringent are the tests they take?

And of my recent two trips to the Philippines, namely Angeles City, I have also contracted NSUI and Gonorrhea again on two seperate trips, with the latter definitely coming from a shot girl I met in the Blue Nile.

Please tell me am I unlucky or maybe too careless or are there mongers out there having the same experiences as me? Without wanting to sound too melodramatic, I am thinking very seriously about putting the mongering cue in the rack, so to speak, and just concentrate on cultivating, meeting and dating non working gals I have meet on Tagged and like sites. True, nothing is a 100% safe but having sex with these gals can't possibly be as frustrating and dangerous as my recent experiences with working gals, and I am just so sick and tired of getting tested and spending a small fortune on doctors fees and antibotics.

Any opinions please?

It really is a friend of mine. I have barebacked sex workers without bothering to get STD tests after :P.

Anyways, he got post-exposure HIV medicine for 5500 baht from the hospital. Has to take 2 pills for a month. Side effects are minimal, apparently just nightmares and depression.

This is why he wants to get the girl to take an STD test. If she doesn't have HIV then he can stop taking the medicine.

BTW. I did some research, and I found out that there's a different strain of HIV in Thailand. Barebacking sex workers has a risk as high as 1 in 300 of catching HIV.

The american HIV is more based on blood as in from gay / anal sex, which is why only 10% HIV+ in America is hetero. Here it's 80% HIV+ are hetero.

The infection rate from the HIV strain in America is 1 in 500-1000. Here it's 1 in 30-50. 2% thai are HIV+, but for sex workers it's 10% or more.

10% * 1 in 30 = 1 in 300.

[url]http://thailandguru.com/hiv-aids-thailand.html[/url]

Osakagin, I'm curious. On a typical trip how many partners would perform BBBJ on you? And how many BBBJ's would you receive? I can't trace any STD back to a BBBJ, although the few times that I've gone off the wagon and done BBFS with hookers for an extended period of time (maybe two or three partners over a period of months) I've ended up with Chlamydia or NSU. I might have gotten something nasty in my prostate from the Eden Club, where a couple of hookers were swapping back and forth between licking my backside and my penis -- last time I'll let that happen. Since you asked, my opinion is that I'd switch to CBJ's if I were you. If you implement your plan with nonpros, I'd use condoms for intercourse -- I bet your chances of getting an STD from BBFS with nonpros in Thailand that you meet on websites are comparable or higher than getting an STD from a BBBJ with pros.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1187261]Osakagin, I'm curious. On a typical trip how many partners would perform BBBJ on you? And how many BBBJ's would you receive? I can't trace any STD back to a BBBJ, although the few times that I've gone off the wagon and done BBFS with hookers for an extended period of time (maybe two or three partners over a period of months) I've ended up with Chlamydia or NSU. I might have gotten something nasty in my prostate from the Eden Club, where a couple of hookers were swapping back and forth between licking my backside and my penis -- last time I'll let that happen. Since you asked, my opinion is that I'd switch to CBJ's if I were you.[/QUOTE]

On a 7 - 10 day trip to either Thailand or the Philippines I would have up 5-6 different partners giving me a BBBJ, sometimes less and as I said I NEVER have vaginal sex without a condom, not even with non working gals. So from my experiences, the sources of my infections have to be BBBJ's as it can't be anything else.

I suppose it comes down to the choice of having a covered BJ, which I hate ... or as I said give up mongering and stick to non working gals.

[QUOTE=Osakagin; 1187253]I am sorry I haven't reported on my recent trips to Thailand and the Philippines, my two preferred destinations for mongering in SE Aisa, but I felt I should share with you, what I regard is a very worrying trend that now appears to be occuring in P. 4 P. In these countries.

Like most of us on here, I have been a regular monger for well over 25 yrs and for the first 22-23 yrs, I can only recall 2-3 cases of me contracting a STD. However over the past 2-3 years I have picked a STD on 5 out of past 6 trips to Thailand and 2 out of the past 3 trips to the Philippines! The STD's have ranged from NSUI, to Chlamydia and in recent times the big G, Gonorrhea on 2 occasions.[/QUOTE]Kind of sounds weird to me. To continuously catch something like that, just doesn't seem to be within normal odds. Have you got yourself tested in your own country? It's almost like maybe you aren't completely free of the std and you somehow get it going again. I'm not a doctor, but statistically this doesn't sound right, that's all.

[QUOTE=Key Master;1187271]Kind of sounds weird to me. To continuously catch something like that, just doesn't seem to be within normal odds. Have you got yourself tested in your own country? It's almost like maybe you aren't completely free of the std and you somehow get it going again. I'm not a doctor, but statistically this doesn't sound right, that's all.[/QUOTE]Yes indeed, seems way above the odds : I think Key Master is absolutely correct : get another set of tests done in another country & see what comes up. Seems the tests you did earlier amy be a bit off. I shall closely follow this story as in the event all the repeat tests are also positive, then I am going celibate.

[QUOTE=Key Master;1187271]Kind of sounds weird to me. To continuously catch something like that, just doesn't seem to be within normal odds. Have you got yourself tested in your own country? It's almost like maybe you aren't completely free of the std and you somehow get it going again. I'm not a doctor, but statistically this doesn't sound right, that's all.[/QUOTE]If it is all truthful, he is an example of the fact that BBBJ is not totally safe. But, I agree that it does sound kind of wierd.

I have mongered all over the world and had probably 500 BBBJ and have caught nothing from them.

I believe you are right KM. He probably just did not get rid of it. That stuff can linger from what I understand.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1187261]Osakagin, I'm curious. On a typical trip how many partners would perform BBBJ on you? And how many BBBJ's would you receive? I can't trace any STD back to a BBBJ, although the few times that I've gone off the wagon and done BBFS with hookers for an extended period of time (maybe two or three partners over a period of months) I've ended up with Chlamydia or NSU. I might have gotten something nasty in my prostate from the Eden Club, where a couple of hookers were swapping back and forth between licking my backside and my penis -- last time I'll let that happen. Since you asked, my opinion is that I'd switch to CBJ's if I were you. If you implement your plan with nonpros, I'd use condoms for intercourse -- I bet your chances of getting an STD from BBFS with nonpros in Thailand that you meet on websites are comparable or higher than getting an STD from a BBBJ with pros.[/QUOTE]I hope you were told by your Doctor that Prostititas is very common in men. How are you sure you got it from the Eden?

I am older and have gone periods of time not mongering and have had bouts of Prostititas. A lot of nasty stuff from our bodies passes by and around the Prostate gland which can cause it.

[quote=osakagin;1187253]on my most two recent trips to bkk i decided to ditch all of the above pick up places and stick to the massage parlour scene, mainly mango and pink massage parlours on soi 24. however the same result occured with me contracting chlamydia and gonorrhea on two seperate occasions i have visited there. i do know the names of some of the girls involved but i don't feel i should name them on here. i was wondering how often are these girls tested and how stringent are the tests they take?[/quote]1. everything in thailand is a scam. most of these tests the girls may or may not take, the results are not worth the paper they are printed on.

2. i would say 50% of all working girls in thailand, have chlamydia and gonorrhea. zithromax and ceftriaxone are like vitamins to these girls. once they have had the shit once, they know which pills to go buy.

3. they all bareback somebody. some bareback everybody.

4. the prostate is a funny little organ. it does not have to be bacteria that fucks up your prostate. diet, nicotine, alcohol, sleeping, stress, just sitting on your ass, can give you symptoms of std's. i had the urologist shoot water in my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] hole once. never again. i think alot of guys just diagnose themselves and take antibiotics, when in fact they do not have anything.

I've been coming to Pattaya for the past 6 years. I have always used a condom for sex, and preferred BJ's without a condom. During my last visit, (a few months ago) I had Chlymidia / Gonnorrhoea. Had to pay around 1700 be for the doctor to see me and use his medicine for a week.

But it still didn't clear up the problem fully. My friend helped me to buy some local stuff at the pharmacy, which was cheaper and did the trick.

Lesson learnt for next time.

I didn't know that I could catch std's from a blow job. Now I know why some girls insist on using a condom for BJ's too.

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[QUOTE=Butter69;1187374]I didn't know that I could catch std's from a blow job. Now I know why some girls insist on using a condom for BJ's too.[/QUOTE]Quite a few std's can be transmitted via BBBJ's. Next time you meet a Thai hook with a sore throat, ask he if she give BBBJ. Chances are she does. LOL

[quote=osakagin;1187263]i suppose it comes down to the choice of having a covered bj, which i hate . or as i said give up mongering and stick to non working gals.[/quote]or {3} get your p4p girl or girls tested. or {4} go to a place where the business tests them themselves and is willing to show you the papers. annies, perhaps? or {5} find working girls who generally insist on "everything covered" and offer them enough incentive to do it au naturelle. or {6} stick to overpriced hookers who have few clients. or {7} restrict yourself to prostitutes who only work occasionally, maybe students or those in the countryside. of course none of the 7 options is fullproof, although the cbj would probably be the safest.

a cbj might be enhanced by such things as using a feel good, thin skinned, see through condom with some lube inside the tip, getting the juices flowing beforehand by a hj or wanking yourself while she dfk you or does bls, etc.

further to protecting oneself from the bacteria present in a bbbj, some guys recommend such things as peeing after or cleaning oneself with alcohol wipes, etc. btw, not that i always do that but, ime i have never contracted an std of any kind through many dozens of condomless sessions, including activities such as bjs, bls, dfk, fs, etc.

personally i would not give up on the p4p scene if bbbj were no longer an option. to me that is only a small part of what is on the menu as there is so much more to enjoy. many times my sessions with ladies do not even involve a bj of any kind. but to each their own & best of luck in your playtimes with the fairer sex.

_______________________.

"no one reaches the end and says, i wish i hadn't fucked so much."

Keep one of those small pen lights on you.

Prior to service, inpect their mouth / throat with it looking for any redness, pus, or sores.

She may have some of these anyway from all the Dick's she sucks. But, at least you tried.

...or get circumcised. I refuse to have a covered BJ and have never had any problems. But this discussion should probably be moved to the safe sex thread.

[QUOTE=Butter69; 1187374]I've been coming to Pattaya for the past 6 years. I have always used a condom for sex, and preferred BJ's without a condom. During my last visit, (a few months ago) I had Chlymidia / Gonnorrhoea. Had to pay around 1700 be for the doctor to see me and use his medicine for a week.

But it still didn't clear up the problem fully. My friend helped me to buy some local stuff at the pharmacy, which was cheaper and did the trick.

Lesson learnt for next time.

I didn't know that I could catch std's from a blow job. Now I know why some girls insist on using a condom for BJ's too.[/QUOTE]I've had that happen to me here in the states several years ago, and was freaked cause I had no clue it could happen. So, yes, it can definitely happen. 1 Cipro pill for the G and 4 Azithromax pills for the C will clear things up in one dose. Also, I bring liquid soap called hibocleanse which is what surgeons scrub their hands with before performing surgery. This stuff really cleans your junk very well. Whether here or in LOS, I always scrub up with hibo after a fun session and I've never had a problem afterwards. It is also good for you nasty fellas out there that like to go bareback. Haha! Ladies pass more than the norm STD's when making their O-face. They can also pass staph and yeast infections from there sweet pink pudding, which will infect your skin big time. Ever had an itch on your junk, you just can get rid of. Well it is probably because that lovely little bar girl with the big smile and the do me body you bar fined last night hadn't been taking care of her cooch as well as she was taking care of your junk. So the white creamy stuff dripping from her cushion or that "just night right" smell you got a whiff of when you were hitting it from behind was caused by bacteria that can be passed on to your ohhhh so sensitive skin covering your junk. This hibo stuff will help you with all that as well. Just my 2 cents worth!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1187331]If it is all truthful, he is an example of the fact that BBBJ is not totally safe. But, I agree that it does sound kind of wierd.

I have mongered all over the world and had probably 500 BBBJ and have caught nothing from them.

I believe you are right KM. He probably just did not get rid of it. That stuff can linger from what I understand.[/QUOTE]No sexual activity is ever "totally safe", even covered. Obvioulsy there are some STD risks with BBBJs. Point is how often and how severe. Most of us here have probably a combined number of BBBJs over a million, and it seems that noone got anything terribly nasty, although we can't be sure. Anyway, it's like anything else in life, some take more risks than others. For me the balance between pros (pleasure) vs cons (antibiotics) and the low frequency (once in 2-3 years) has made the balance clearly in favour of BBBJ. Conversely, I don't FSBB, because risk, although low, is severe: HIV, even if not lethal anymore, is very troublesome, so not worth the risk, in my opinion.

I want an honest opinion of which is a better place to monger for a few days. I heard great things about Angles city and Thailand. The only factor right now is, Thailand is more expensive to travel to or me then Philippines? Which is a better mongering scene and which gives you more bang for your buck?

The Experience. RTFF

[QUOTE=Dreams;1187575]No sexual activity is ever "totally safe", even covered. Obvioulsy there are some STD risks with BBBJs. Point is how often and how severe. Most of us here have probably a combined number of BBBJs over a million, and it seems that noone got anything terribly nasty, although we can't be sure. Anyway, it's like anything else in life, some take more risks than others. For me the balance between pros (pleasure) vs cons (antibiotics) and the low frequency (once in 2-3 years) has made the balance clearly in favour of BBBJ. Conversely, I don't FSBB, because risk, although low, is severe: HIV, even if not lethal anymore, is very troublesome, so not worth the risk, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I agree. I don't travel 6000 miles and then get a cover BJ. Fortunately. 95% of the girls I have met will do BBBJ. The ones that don't, I walk on.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1187662]AC but there is little else to do or see in AC and the girls there are not quite as pretty IMHO. Well, maybe a few exceptions but I'd rather bang in Bangkok. Player's choice.[/QUOTE]This will help. It seems to be a middle ground, AC is cheaper, but Thailand may have more quality. Though I expect either way you can't go wrong.

[QUOTE=Jedidk;1187671]This will help. It seems to be a middle ground, AC is cheaper, but Thailand may have more quality. Though I expect either way you can't go wrong.[/QUOTE]Not sure if this has been addressed, but IMHO the Fils gals tend to be more GFE. I would agree that taken as a large group the Thai's are maybe an average one number higher on the looks scale, but the ability to speak English and added "fun" the fils bring to the boudoir tips the scales in favor of AC. It is as as someone said "a very high class problem to have."

[quote=sky ryder;1187676]not sure if this has been addressed, but imho the fils gals tend to be more gfe. i would agree that taken as a large group the thai's are maybe an average one number higher on the looks scale, but the ability to speak english and added "fun" the fils bring to the boudoir tips the scales in favor of ac. it is as as someone said "a very high class problem to have."[/quote]yeah. your post make me think ac would be more my thing, as i am a newbie to this. the "english" speech and boudoir is a great addition that will be hard to be met.

thanks sky ryder.

[QUOTE=Butter69;1187374]I've been coming to Pattaya for the past 6 years. I have always used a condom for sex, and preferred BJ's without a condom. During my last visit, (a few months ago) I had Chlymidia / Gonnorrhoea. Had to pay around 1700 be for the doctor to see me and use his medicine for a week.[/QUOTE]You must have picked up one of those nasty, unclean gogo or bar girls. I have never gotten anything from a SW or FL.

[QUOTE=Jedidk;1187609]I want an honest opinion of which is a better place to monger for a few days. I heard great things about Angles city and Thailand. The only factor right now is, Thailand is more expensive to travel to or me then Philippines? Which is a better mongering scene and which gives you more bang for your buck?[/QUOTE]For a few days for mainly mongering, probably AC. When guys are mentioning GFE in AC, they are referring to the very common Bareback, with cum in pussy.

But like others have said, if you want a better overall travel experience and other things to do, Thailand is a winner for me.

[QUOTE=Cwomd; 1187257]Anyways, he got post-exposure HIV medicine for 5500 baht from the hospital. Has to take 2 pills for a month. Side effects are minimal, apparently just nightmares and depression.

This is why he wants to get the girl to take an STD test. If she doesn't have HIV then he can stop taking the medicine.[/QUOTE]The deal there is even if she tested negative for HIV, it would not mean she doesn't have it & didn't give it to your friend. So he can forget about getting her tested and keep taking the meds. Personally I wouldn't bother, but up to him. Hopefully he's ok. If not he'll probably need to take a pill or two till they find a better medicine or a cure.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1187765]For a few days for mainly mongering, probably AC. When guys are mentioning GFE in AC, they are referring to the very common Bareback, with cum in pussy.

But like others have said, if you want a better overall travel experience and other things to do, Thailand is a winner for me.[/QUOTE]GFE does not necessarily mean bareback. It is just different than being with prostitutes in other countries where girls are all business wham boom type and take your money and run.

There are some girls like that in AC also but a majority are different. They consider you as a date for the night and will act like your girlfriend with extras.

In Thailand also you can find GFE girls but since Thailand is well known tourist destination there are lot more mongers. So the girls in Thailand can be more mercenary.

Thailand more of a tourist destination in terms of infrastructure and non-mongering activities and ofcourse food if you like spicy.

If you have never been to either destination I would first go to Thailand especially Pattaya and experience it. If you have time visit AC also. After that it is a personal preference where you wish to go next time.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1187732]You must have picked up one of those nasty, unclean gogo or bar girls. I have never gotten anything from a SW or FL.[/QUOTE]*Being sarcastic?

LOL!

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1187785]GFE does not necessarily mean bareback. It is just different than being with prostitutes in other countries where girls are all business wham boom type and take your money and run.

There are some girls like that in AC also but a majority are different. They consider you as a date for the night and will act like your girlfriend with extras.

In Thailand also you can find GFE girls but since Thailand is well known tourist destination there are lot more mongers. So the girls in Thailand can be more mercenary.

Thailand more of a tourist destination in terms of infrastructure and non-mongering activities and ofcourse food if you like spicy.

If you have never been to either destination I would first go to Thailand especially Pattaya and experience it. If you have time visit AC also. After that it is a personal preference where you wish to go next time.[/QUOTE]Right, and most of them go bareback and want you to cum in their pussy. They will also do that in Thailand, but much more the norm in Phils.

Also, it is well documented that the Phils has many more "runners" than any other SEA mongering spot.

Dear posters,

Did anyone visit this new place?

I couldn't find a report but I'm very curious.

Gr. Rick666 from Holland.

[quote=rick666; 1188103]dear posters,

did anyone visit this new place?

i couldn't find a report but i'm very curious.

gr. rick666 from holland.[/quote]i have not, but the reports on another site are positive. same prices as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but with a much nicer atmosphere.

[QUOTE=Cwomd; 1187257]BTW. I did some research, and I found out that there's a different strain of HIV in Thailand. Barebacking sex workers has a risk as high as 1 in 300 of catching HIV.

The american HIV is more based on blood as in from gay / anal sex, which is why only 10% HIV+ in America is hetero. Here it's 80% HIV+ are hetero.

The infection rate from the HIV strain in America is 1 in 500-1000. Here it's 1 in 30-50. 2% thai are HIV+, but for sex workers it's 10% or more.

10% * 1 in 30 = 1 in 300.

[url]http://thailandguru.com/hiv-aids-thailand.html[/url][/QUOTE]Interesting link, but what I've been reading on the subject does not agree with a number of things you've posted above.

As regards the notion that the HIV-E strain dominant in Thailand is much more potent or far easier to catch than the HIV-B strain dominant in America, some more recent studies than that your source referred to did not support that theory.

The estimates for HIV infection in Siam I've been seeing are not your figure of 2 percent, but around 1% {0. 67-1. 5%} of the population. Even if we go with the high 10% number you gave for P4P TG's, consider the following comment:

"If we take Degan's number of 1/2000, and use 10% infection in the target group (and that is probably too large, but we'll go with it) , we arrive at 13, 862. 6 sexual encounters to have a 50% probability of infection. That's a different partner every single day for about 38 years, and then it is only even money you are infected."

IMO once BBing a random Thai sex worker would have a far lower risk probability for getting HIV than your rate of 1 in 300. I believe that is way off even if she is known to have the disease, so consider how much more wrong it is when you give that as a figure for a random BB encounter, that is, one with a P4P TG of unknown HIV status. According to Wikipedia under HIV transmission the risk is estimated at 1 in 2000 for an act of vaginal sex with a HIV positive female.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV[/url]

"I think the high rate of hetero infection in Thailand is simply due to the fact it is a more promiscuous society. The sex industry is so pervasive, there is simply more extramarital activity occuring. It remains to be proven that Subtype E is any more invasive. The fact that it has not become more prevalent in the West after many years contradicts the theory.

"Seems like a reach to me. Have they accounted for how huge the sex trade is in Thailand, needle use in Thailand. This is just a thought, but in the beginning, aids was thought of as a homosexual disease. Segregation between the orientations kept the spread to homosexuals for a long time. Would it not be hard to believe that hiv had its root in heterosexual sex in Thailand and that segregation again slows the transmission to the homosexual population, which could account for the 80% prevalence in heterorsexuals. I don't know, I just don't see that statistic as proof that E type is more transmissionable then B type"

"I figure that if there is any difference in reported HIV transmission route here in Thailand is probably more likely down to people not answering truthfully questions on how they got the virus. Can't Imagine that many Thais admitting to anal sex, gay sex or injecting drug use. Besides how would it account for the fact that HIV cases in Thailand are 70%+ males? Especially when it's far easier for women to catch than men.

"He rambles about how much easier subtype E is to acquire compared to other clades. If that was the case, it would have become dominant worldwide a long time ago! It doesn't make sense. The reason HIV is predominantly heterosexual in Thailand is same as why HIV is heterosexual in Africa. Rampant prostitution with low condom usage. Why look for complex answers when you have an obvious one? This guy may be a guru, but he doesn't sound anything like an HIV expert to me.

"Female to male transmission occurs more readily if the man is uncircumcized". In Thailand only 13% are circumcised, most of these Muslims. In the USA and Canada 70 and 30 percent are reported as being circumcised.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision[/url]

"This study basically says that they should look for other reasons why strain E is spreading so fast in South East Asia."

[url]http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/71/10/8001.pdf[/url]

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[quote=rick666; 1188103]dear posters,

did anyone visit this new place?

i couldn't find a report but i'm very curious.

gr. rick666 from holland.[/quote]the famous tuk / som of sol and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] works there (not sure in what capacity).

i bumped into her in the 7 eleven and she suggested i might go to lollipop.

unfortunately was too busy at the time.

[quote=syzygies; 1188356]the famous tuk / som of sol and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] works there (not sure in what capacity).

i am sure she is just a waitress.

Ok, Don't keep us wondering, where is this place Lollipop BJ bar. I back tracked on the forum and must have missed it. Help please

Google is a marvelous too!

"The bar is called 'The Lollipop 1' and it's in Soi 10 (BKK) , in the first little sub-soi on the left (just turn left at the purple colored Paradiso Boutique Suites Hotel and you can't miss it."

[QUOTE=Mackin;1188384]Ok, Don't keep us wondering, where is this place Lollipop BJ bar. I back tracked on the forum and must have missed it. Help please[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1188389]Google is a marvelous too!

"The bar is called 'The Lollipop 1' and it's in Soi 10 (BKK) , in the first little sub-soi on the left (just turn left at the purple colored Paradiso Boutique Suites Hotel and you can't miss it."[/QUOTE]Google is good for 80-90% of the questions in these Forums. Don't know why more just don't use it. Seems like common sense.

Gee sorry guys but I never thought to google for "blow job bars in Bangkok". I will try that from now on.

Gee sorry guys but I never thought to google for "blow job bars in Bangkok". I will try that from now on. Add on, The report says lollipop only, not lolllipop 1.

[QUOTE]Afterskool was a big disappointment: Yes the lady drinks are cheaper there but the girls hunt in packs of three or four. Lots of hustling and no LT options available. I even doubt if they do ST. Just BJ in the "naughty boys corner" in the back of the bar.[/QUOTE]That was not my experience when I visited in November. Yes, I was approached by the girls. And in some cases I was approached by two or three girls. But my polite wave off was honored and I was left to drink in peace. When I found a hottie I fancied it was no problem arranging a short time session at my hotel.

Regards,

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1188698]That was not my experience when I visited in November. Yes, I was approached by the girls. And in some cases I was approached by two or three girls. But my polite wave off was honored and I was left to drink in peace. When I found a hottie I fancied it was no problem arranging a short time session at my hotel.

Regards,

Bunky[/QUOTE]That girl has the body of a 12 year old and face of a 14 year old boy. Thanks for sharing though.

From Thai Visa:

Although banned by law, prostitution is common place in the tourism districts of Thailand, which nearly 14 million tourists visit annually. A large chunk of these are single males or male groups of tourists seeking sex or sex-oriented fun.

A recent World Health Organisation (WHO) report has pegged the number of female prostitutes in the country at 2 lakh.

From Wikipedia:

A lakh (/&712; læk / lak or/&712; l&593; &720; k / lahk; also lac) is a unit in the Indian numbering system equal to one hundred thousand (100, 000).

2 lahk sounds like less.

posted this in the general reports, but perhaps few reads that section so here it is again.

"a 1974 study put the number of prostitutes at 500, 000 to 700, 000. a 2004 estimate by dr. nitet tinnakul from chulalongkorn university gives a total of 2. 8 million sex workers, including 2 million women. 20, 000 adult males and 800, 000 minors under the age of 18. one estimate published in 2003 placed the trade at us$ 4. 3 billion per year or about three percent of the thai economy. it has been suggested for example that there may be as many as 10, 000 prostitutes on koh samui alone, an island resort destination not usually associated with prostitution, and that at least 10% of tourist dollars may be spent on the sex trade."

[url]https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/prostitution_in_thailand[/url]

wrong thread but this was a bit surprising:

"there are an estimated 800, 000 women working as prostitutes in the philippines, with up to half of them believed to be ****."

[url]https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/prostitution_in_the_philippines[/url]

the page is written in a way that indicates that some christian extremist philippino wrote it:

"a survey conducted by the international labor organization revealed that in the experience of most of the women surveyed, prostitution is one of the most alienating forms of labor. over 50 percent of the women surveyed in philippine massage parlors said they carried out their work 'with a heavy heart, ' and 20 percent said they were 'conscience-stricken because they still considered sex with customers a sin"."

and at least 2% likes it guys!

"surveys of women working as masseuses indicated that 34 percent of them explained their choice of work as necessary to support poor parents. 8 percent to support siblings and 28 percent to support husbands or boyfriends. more than 20 percent said the job was well paid, but only 2 percent said it was easy work and only 2 percent claimed to enjoy the work."

cynicism is not my thing, but one can not help to wonder how many of the described orgasms here where just good acting.

barba

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1188719]That girl has the body of a 12 year old and face of a 14 year old boy. Thanks for sharing though.[/QUOTE]Looks photoshopped to me.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Sunlover2; 1188913]Looks photoshopped to me.

SunLover[/QUOTE]So whats youe point?

[quote=barba;1188795]"there are an estimated 800, 000 women working as prostitutes in the philippines, with up to half of them believed to be ****."[/quote]imho, ngo propaganda bs, trying to justify their 5 star life styles. if they can't come up with a large number of ****d "sex slaves", they lose all their funding.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1188951]So whats youe point?[/QUOTE]Just calling BS on the picture; just like someone should have called BS on the recent 'Fake Tits Club' post early on.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Bunky;1188698]When I found a hottie I fancied it was no problem arranging a short time session at my hotel.[/QUOTE]I had her long-time about 6 months ago. Can't remember what I paid, would have been either 1500 or 2000. The photo doesn't do her justice, she's really sweet.

[quote=luvpuss;1188150]same prices as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but with a much nicer atmosphere.[/quote]much nicer atmosphere my foot.

of course i had to go check it out, any new bj bar opening is a fantastic occasion. you can never have enough bj bars. is there any city on the planet with too many bj bars? if starbucks started to offer bjs, they would have to open twice again as many branches.

so anyway there are girls at this place, and they put in the usual workmanlike bangkok effort. but as regards atmosphere, it's a cheaply done-up tawdry shophouse. that should not put off anyone in the vicinity of soi 10, as the service is up to scratch, but it should encourage the next bj bar to open up to distinguish itself with a truly much nicer atmosphere.

Gents, a quick question on safety tips: Is it safe to take taxi from Nana area to BKK around 4 am? What can I do to make this safer? I don't want to take avoidable risks or do stupid things. Any help or suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.

-Don

[QUOTE=Prince007; 1189337]Gents, a quick question on safety tips: Is it safe to take taxi from Nana area to BKK around 4 am? What can I do to make this safer? I don't want to take avoidable risks or do stupid things. Any help or suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.

-Don[/QUOTE]Don't overthink this, just grab one that's available driving down the street that's marked and has it's lights on. You know with, either it's a hot pink taxi or yellow and green. Before jumping in, state where you want to go. He should give you a nod and jump in. Be sure he starts his meter and it should read 35 bt. At night, with no traffic, you would be hard pressed to have your meter go way beyond 100bt unless you are some obscene distance from nana. I've seen some private cars, even with a taxi light on top parked at the side of road. I wouldn't use them but know people who have. More expensive, more intended for tourist or day trip.

[QUOTE=Prince007; 1189337]Gents, a quick question on safety tips: Is it safe to take taxi from Nana area to BKK around 4 am? What can I do to make this safer? I don't want to take avoidable risks or do stupid things. Any help or suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.

-Don[/QUOTE]WTF. Nana is in the middle of BKK.

[QUOTE=Prince007; 1189337]Gents, a quick question on safety tips: Is it safe to take taxi from Nana area to BKK around 4 am? What can I do to make this safer? I don't want to take avoidable risks or do stupid things. Any help or suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.

-Don[/QUOTE]If you are talking about BKK Airport, not a problem, I ALWAYS get my hotel to get me a taxi that uses the meter, not one sitting like a Vulture out in front of my hotel, and I tip the driver 50-100 baht depending how much luggage I have,

NO traffic then but I pay for the expressway anyway, Total will be 300-400 baht with tip.

BK

[QUOTE=Orange Crust;1189359]Don't overthink this, just grab one that's available driving down the street that's marked and has it's lights on. You know with, either it's a hot pink taxi or yellow and green. Before jumping in, state where you want to go. He should give you a nod and jump in. Be sure he starts his meter and it should read 35 bt. At night, with no traffic, you would be hard pressed to have your meter go way beyond 100bt unless you are some obscene distance from nana. I've seen some private cars, even with a taxi light on top parked at the side of road. I wouldn't use them but know people who have. More expensive, more intended for tourist or day trip.[/QUOTE]Oh, damn. I didn't catch that, you mean Suvarnabhumi (BKK) , oops. Excuse me, whenever I see BKK, I just assume the city Bangkok. So at 4am, take a marked cab, you're safe. I won't pay for toll road though. At that time, you probably just as quick without. It won't break the bank if you take toll but unnecessary. Sorry about the confusion. Ah, the departure cab ride, for me that means I start to receive the "miss you already" SMS from my various babes. All the way until the plane starts to take-off.

me and a mate started at rainbow 1 on sunday. not really anything special there. one pretty girl was apparently booked by a customer for 5 days. the famous georgous aum (om) of recent pics fame in isg was definitely not there anymore. we moved on to mercury. very small and only one cutie. next was rainbow 4. definitely more talent there but mostly with fakish looks. a fair bit of silicone and weird hairstyles probably intended for the japanese customers. one girl really appealed. its very disappointing that only one or two girls got fully nude and had big bushes. los vegas suffered from having some show girls that didn't get their gear off, but one or 2 very hot and saucy looking girls. billboard was strange with a set of 6 prossibly **** girls doing the bubble bath show down one end, nude but using soap suds to cover the pussies. fantastic firm natural high tits on these kids. down the other end some shows and some gogo dancing by the set of mature girls (nothing exciting there). we decided to move to cowboy.

saturday night suzi wong had heaps of girls, but apparently many did not get customers so they were lazy to show up again on sunday. there were a couple of good girls i would have taken, but wanted to look some other bars. baccarat had a couple of girls i knew from before. i was very keen on a girl with big smiles and the most spectacular ass and thighs with nice gap i have been in a while. her skirt wan't hiding it all that well. anyway she seemed a bit preoccupied. i stood up to ask her in she was available or not available (in good thai). she didn't answer or want to look at my face.

the reason for no answer is something guys need to understand. in truth she was not bar-fined and therefore dancing and officially available. however she did not wish to say she was available. she also did not want to lie and say she was not available. so thai technique is to be silent and say nothing. i soon learned why when she got down she made a bee-line for two very young and handsome guys. she probably knew them already and was definitely intent on hooking one of them. maybe they were even boyfriend potential. she was so hot that i had little doubt she would win. them is the breaks. some girls go for old guys like me that treat them nicely, others are thrilled by someone more their own age.

we moved on to tilac. i don't reall get this bar. why would you have no knickers on but but wear stupid bras. anyway my mate found a girl he knew from before and so was taken. i met one ex baccarat girl there but no longer interested in her after her tit job. also an ex livingstone's girl there. i eventually picked a slim girl that looked different to the rest. turned out was her first day at tilac. drove her picup back to my hotel. then found out she had not had sex for two years. her pussy had shrunk to excessively tight. the uterus was prominet just about 4 inches in. to cut a the storey short sex was very difficult due to me being a bit longer than average and her pussy being far to small for me. i was crashing her uterus with each stroke and hard to get past it. some guys would love it this tight, but not me. i like a nice average sized fit.

[QUOTE=Prince007; 1189337]Gents, a quick question on safety tips: Is it safe to take taxi from Nana area to BKK around 4 am? What can I do to make this safer? I don't want to take avoidable risks or do stupid things. Any help or suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.

-Don[/QUOTE]Nana is close to a motorway entrance so the taxi driver might tell you to use it (but at 4am there is no traffic requiring so)

If you use it the tol lis on you (45+25B)

Offer him 300B including toll, up to him to use toll road or not, it will not change much for you.

You might want to accept a counteroffer of 400 seen the red-eye time of the night and cut the story short.

Silly negotiations of +-20B. Are just tiring.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1189571]This may well be THE ANSWER to the struggling economy in the USA and around the world![/QUOTE]There is *only one* problem with this answer! Namely that too much of the money goes directly to the worker! The capitalist will not stand for it and will rather pay the minimum wage! Too, too bad.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2; 1189222]Just calling BS on the picture; just like someone should have called BS on the recent 'Fake Tits Club' post early on.

SunLover[/QUOTE]Hmmm, interesting. I don't see it. The reason I asked your point is that it used to be when someone said 'photoshopped' it meant major alterations. Now all photo viewing software these days has 'photoshop' like features but mostuse it to adjust brightness, contrast, etc. And not major work.

Now this one is not much to look at now – almost freakish (apologies to the poster as I hate to criticize someone else's photos – please don't take it personally) and I can't begin to imagine what improvements have been made. Why do you think it is BS?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1189694]Hmmm, interesting. I don't see it. The reason I asked your point is that it used to be when someone said 'photoshopped' it meant major alterations. Now all photo viewing software these days has 'photoshop' like features but mostuse it to adjust brightness, contrast, etc. And not major work.

Now this one is not much to look at now – almost freakish (apologies to the poster as I hate to criticize someone else's photos – please don't take it personally) and I can't begin to imagine what improvements have been made. Why do you think it is BS?[/QUOTE]It looks to me like someone put a dudes head on the girls bod. That head is way to large for the body.

Either it is photoshopped or the photo of a freak.

About to return to BKK after a 3 year break and would like to relive one of my best experiences from my previous trip which was picking up a stunner in the Novotel Hotel disco near Siam Square. Is this place still going strong or are there better clubs to pickup stunners? I know the Hyatt is an option but its too far as I'm staying in the President Solitaire in Soi 11. I guess the bedsupper club has less girls available and I don't like hanging about in these places too long. Any other options for Hi-end mongering that I'm missing out on? Grateful for your thoughts.

after months of useless babbling chit-chat dialog on this forum i thought i

would (hopefully) add some useful new observations from a first timer to bkk.

[all prices are in baht- 30 baht to a dollar when i was there]

1) arriving at the airport for newbie's- don't let it intimidate you- walk

around like you know your way around the place. it is just like any airport

in usa, but somehow they can spot the new arrivals and will pester you for

rides.

so.

2) transportation.

you can get a limo to suhkumvit road for 1200 ($40). relaxed an no hassles.

take a meter cab there for about 400-500 ($12-$15. a steal by us taxi

standards)

or let them give you a set price (around 500 baht)

the common wisdom seems to be to demand they turn on the meter- but i think

that just guarantees they will get into heavy traffic on purpose, to add a

hundred baht or so onto the meter. so. you will still pay the same or

even a little more, but what is $3 bucks, us.vs- an hour sitting in

traffic. if you offer them a set amount it is in their interest to get you

there by the fastest route possible.

so offer them what you want to pay first.

general costs to offer:

about 500 baht from the airport to suhkumvit.

100 baht any place nearby (about 3 bucks)

200 baht for any small further distance.

the few times i took a meter cab it was always around 70 baht. so when i

started getting into the cab and saying i'll give you 100 baht to take me to

xxx i found we got there much, much faster.

they will be happy to take these amounts and get you there by the faster

back roads routes. avoiding incredible bangkok traffic jams.

tuk-tuks (open air small cab) are fun but they do charge double for

americans. still, about 50 to 80 baht to go quickly someplace close. you

can also hop onto the back of a motorcycle for about 30 baht.

if they make the price suggestion first, divide it by 2 and make them an

offer (i. e. they will ask for 1000 from the airport- tell them 500 and they

will usually accept.

try to ask for a cabbie that can speak english.

if you take a taxi from the hotel, make sure they speak english and give

them an address, in writing if possible- do not say "nightclub" or they will

take you to their favorite place (who usually gives them a payoff) do a

little homework and take a printed google map with you.

i got gypped for a ride to ayutthaya (sightseeing) for 1600 baht but i found

later i could have easily gotten there for half. i thought it was farther.

still, an hour in a us taxi would have been about $200us dollars (6000 baht)

-a word about renting a car or driving-

don't.

you won't know how.

they do not drive on the right side of the road, in every sense of that

word.

they zip in and out of traffic at full speed in formations tight enough to

make the air force thunderbirds jet pilots proud. with motorcycles zipping

in between.

just close your eyes and pretend it is not happening.

3) tipping.they are not used to it. a 20 baht note is usually more than

fine for anything.

50 baht if you want to be generous. i tipped 100 baht a few times and i

thought they were going to kneel down to thank me. when you change some

cash at the airport get a lot of 20's and 50's (baht). they will only give

you 100's unless you ask for change.

4) negotiating- they will always start at double- offer half then go from

there if you feel like it.

now for the important stuff.

5) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s . go there 700baht plus tip (100 is fine) for no-nonsense walk

in the door get down to business fun.

lilly- was about an 8 on the relative thai looks scale but 10++++ for skills

and the most. perfect. bj. ever. i would pay this girl to give lessons to my

g / f if i could find a way to explain it to her without dying. it's

expected to cum in their mouth but it is still polite to ask. (just to hear

an enthusiastic "yes i want you to!" is worth it)

other cuties are way fun too, but no one matched her skill. i will fly back

there just to find lilly again.

lets not forget than an 8 on the thai scale would be about a 11 on the usa

streetwalker scale.

6) soi cowboy and nana plaza- these are both basically small side streets, packed with go-go bars.

lots of nice places to look at, gorgeous

girls. the ones out front will give you a sample of the tastes inside the

go-go places.

i loved one called "bachana's" (or something similar) i was sitting there

for 10 minutes before i realized everyone was looking up. there is a glass

ceiling with girls dancing on the 2nd floor above you wearing little or no underwear. heart

stopping views !

6) hotels-

manhattan hotel was great location. central location and relatively cheap

but they soak you for internet access. a lot. no free wifi, and it was 500

baht for 3 hours. don't forget to log off- shutting off your computer does

not sign you out.

manhattan hotel (and many others nearby- google it) are so central to the fun zones

that i walked to soi cowboy and nana plaza, easily. if you do want to take

a taxi down sukhumvit make sure to cross the street to the side with traffic

going the direction you want to go. the sky train is way cheaper (an

incredible 6 baht)

other hotels- be careful online they say they have airport pickup and then

don't. [url]www.agoda.com[/url] was a great site for booking cheap rates but i made 2

complaints about places that pulled a bait-and-switch.

7) insomnia nightclub club after hours- omg ! not a go-go or strip bar-

but i walked in and was endlessly approached by gorgeous non-pro's, one of

whom was the most stunning girl ever to accompany me to a hotel after 5

minutes of necking on the floor followed by "come to my hotel?" and "ok"

(seriously. that was the sum total of my conversation before i f*cked her)

and this girl was about a 14 on the american girl regular scale (not the

streetwalker scale)

if you are not a gargoyle (lets face it folks they do actually have some

standards) you could get a freebie there any night. buthis was at 2 am when

the bars closed and i was too stupid to grab one girl from the go-go bars-

but ended up even luckier at insomnia.

but don't go there.they are all mine mine mine mine.

pro's and non-pro's are all over the streets after hours too. i was walking

around one evening about 3 am and stopped at a sidewalk stand to get a drink

of bacardi and coke (yes, a sidewalk bar) i bought 4 drinks for everyone

there (one each) for a total of 400 baht and 2 of the girls followed me home

and slept overnight.

8) it is way too easy to fall in love with these gorgeous angels. if all

girls in the world were like thai girls there would be peace and heaven on

earth.

i am already planning a trip back.

9) ladyboys are easier to spot then i was worried about- if you have any

gaydar at all.

it is just so. obvious. they are generally more dressed up like working girls

and way more aggressive too. do not let big boobs fool you- bolt-on surgery

works on guys too. an uninterested stare and polite but firm "no" is all it

takes to get rid of them.

same is true for anyone grabbing your hand or trying to entice you- a simple

stare and gentle wave and "no" is all you need.

guys- try not to give us americans a bad name- too many of you doof's were

walking around looking like you smelled and did not know what a shower was

for. lose some blubber and wear some good clothes- they will never judge

you but i am certain they will appreciate it, and you will have a much better time

fucking for hours and hours without giving yourself a coronary. these girls

shower all the time. (and also fuck you as many times as you want / can)

last- never never lose your temper- any argument i ever saw was followed by

both sides shrugging their shoulders and saying "up to you" (which seems to

be the end of any discussion or disagreement)

anger is considered to be the rudest of low-class rude there, and you will

'lose face' and get no help from anyone after you do. imagine farting

loudly in church while dunking your hand into the collection basket to grab

some loose change while in line for communion. that is how bad they see

anger there.

[QUOTE=Capitalized On; 1189717]2) Transportation.

You can get a limo to Suhkumvit Road for 1200 ($40). Relaxed an no hassles.

Take a meter cab there for about 400-500 ($12-$15. A STEAL by US taxi

Standards)

Or let them give you a set price (around 500 baht) [/QUOTE]Its fortunate that you mention being a newbie since people should not take your advice with a grain of salt.

The real taxi price to Sukhumwit is way less than that. It's impossible to pay as much as 400 in metered taxi unless he circumnavigated Bangkok on the way there. Should be well under 250. I would suggest keeping to your experiences and reducing the "advice" part a little.

I will say you have experienced a lot in a short time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1189522]Baccarat had a couple of girls I knew from before. I was very keen on a girl with big smiles and the most spectacular ass and thighs with nice gap I have seen in a while. Her skirt wan't hiding it all that well. Anyway she seemed a bit preoccupied. I stood up to ask her in she was available or not available (in good Thai). She didn't answer or want to look at my face.

The reason for no answer is something guys need to understand. In truth she was not bar-fined and therefore dancing and officially available. However she did not wish to say she was available. She also did not want to lie and say she was not available. So Thai technique is to be silent and say nothing. I soon learned why when she got down she made a bee-line for two very young and handsome guys. She probably knew them already and was definitely intent on hooking one of them. Maybe they were even boyfriend potential. She was so hot that I had little doubt she would win. Them is the breaks. Some girls go for old guys like me that treat them nicely, others are thrilled by someone more their own age.[/QUOTE]Last night found another girl with similar spectacular figure below the waist, high hips to waist ratio with nice "gap", smallish but nice natural tits (probably only As) and quite pretty face at Sheba's nude oil show. This time the girl was very keen to go with me, and had a fantastic session back at my Hotel as she was really willing to enjoy herself and service too. She was one of the girls who didn't look under-age and showed off her experience in the room. Price was not discussed so I payed based on the performance and duration. Was a little stunned to find out she was 29 but still an immaculate figure. Name omitted since I will probably be be keeping her busy. Not sure why many guys say bar-girls are crap performers. Its probably the too-young ones that more likely to be crap performers. Take an experienced hot looking girl!

[QUOTE=Mr Tee;1189709]About to return to BKK after a 3 year break and would like to relive one of my best experiences from my previous trip which was picking up a stunner in the Novotel Hotel disco near Siam Square. Is this place still going strong or are there better clubs to pickup stunners? I know the Hyatt is an option but its too far as I'm staying in the President Solitaire in Soi 11. I guess the bedsupper club has less girls available and I don't like hanging about in these places too long. Any other options for Hi-end mongering that I'm missing out on? Grateful for your thoughts.[/QUOTE]You can surely try CM2 (Novotel) , Bossy Club, Insomnia, Spicy ETC. Bed is usually not having WGs but you may try your luck with Non WGs and Non Pros!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Capitalized On; 1189717]After months of useless babbling chit-chat dialog on this forum I thought I Would (hopefully) add some useful new observations from a first timer to BKK.

[/QUOTE]Thanks for your interesting and often funny (!) insights. First trip, first lessons. Some useful, some not.

Bangkok warmly welcomes people who throw money around with open arms. You seem to catch on quickly, but you're on a fairly steep learning curve if you've previously not been to the City of Angels. No worries, though, as it's only (your) money. By your 5th or 6th trip you may want to save a few baht. It's part of the Thai game to be smart with your money.

Without getting into the minutia of your trip report, I will say that your take on Bangkok taxis is not quite right. However, it takes more than one trip to figure this out, and a knowledge of the cityscape and speaking a little Thai helps a lot. There are many more accurate tips on Bangkok taxis on this forum, unfortunately they are not that easy to find. For example:

1) At the airport go to the top floor and catch a taxi that has just dropped someone off. Don't go with the first guy who is out of his cab barking for riders. Find one where the people are just getting out. Don't get in the cab, but tell the driver where you want to go, and say "meter?" Only take a meter taxi. Once underway, the driver will ask you, "motorway?" Say yes, as it's quicker (+ 70 baht). If you arrive in the later evening and are heading for Sukhumvit you can skip the motorway to save on the toll. The non-motorway trip to lower Sukhumvit should only cost +/- 200 baht.

2) Never take a taxi that is parked outside a hotel or attraction. These are the ones that charge more and often scam people.

3) Always ask "meter," before you get in a taxi? It is quite rare that a driver will purposely get stalled in traffic, or drive around, to add to the cost.

There's a lot more that I could add, but part of the fun of visiting Bangkok is figuring it all out.

Did you go to Pattaya? Chok dee! ;)

Last taxi comment from me. I'm often amazed of scams, and one of the best I saw was a taxi at BKK arrivals. So I get through the line and I get a taxi assigned. Everything is on the up and up you know marked cab from the right cue. Anyways, I get loaded and confirm destination. His meter was blank, almost like no power. So we start to move, and the meter is still dark. I begin to insist on meter but cabbie ignoring me. So he reaches over and hits a switch. Meter is on, fare is already at 85bt or something like that. Thai taxi meters include a window for elapsed waiting time. His was like already at 40 minutes or so. He ignores my protests of scam all the way to destination. I'm pissed because I know I paid like $3 too much (but I will spend that on a coffee. It's just principle.). We get to destination and he actually adjusts the fare downward. So I'm ok. I think what happened was really he scammed the taxi owner or company by keeping the meter black. It's like he had it running but the display LEDs were turned off. A first timer would have no idea. Anyways, I kinda laugh now, it the same concept of Cuban taxi drivers being able to turn off their odometers.

Final comment. I love BKK taxi's. Great price and most are clean. I once had a driver told me to be careful with a girl because he overheard the girl's conversation in Thai on her cellphone. After I dropped her off, he said becareful, girl say very bad things, he wouldn't elaborate but I played it safe. For a cabbie to be giving me a warning. It was either not flattering or it was something that may have been planned. Not worth the risk either way but why doubt him, it's not like offered me another girl. Oh yeah, and one other story. Got my 19 year old gf drunk one night (half my age) so we stumbled out of the bar - I think it was Bangkok Beat on Soi 7 or so. She tumbles into the cab, and passes out, I roll in beside her and bark out my destination. Shit, this guy had a police badge dangling from the rearview mirror. I could see him sizing me up with my all tramped out girl (she like to do it up for me). I was worried all the way back, I was getting those evil eyes and I was worried my girl would puke in his cab. Ended up being no problem, but in that 10 minute ride, many bad scenerios were racing through my mind how this could be one expensive ride.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1189801]high hips to waist ratio with nice "gap"[/QUOTE]I also look for that "feature" on a woman. A lot of guys don't notice it or it does nothing for them. But it's nice feature I love to see on the ladies also.

Thank you for the report.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1189939]Thanks for your interesting and often funny (!) insights. First trip, first lessons. Some useful, some not.

Bangkok warmly welcomes people who throw money around with open arms. You seem to catch on quickly, but you're on a fairly steep learning curve if you've previously not been to the City of Angels. No worries, though, as it's only (your) money. By your 5th or 6th trip you may want to save a few baht. It's part of the Thai game to be smart with your money.

Without getting into the minutia of your trip report, I will say that your take on Bangkok taxis is not quite right. However, it takes more than one trip to figure this out, and a knowledge of the cityscape and speaking a little Thai helps a lot. There are many more accurate tips on Bangkok taxis on this forum, unfortunately they are not that easy to find. For example:

1) At the airport go to the top floor and catch a taxi that has just dropped someone off. Don't go with the first guy who is out of his cab barking for riders. Find one where the people are just getting out. Don't get in the cab, but tell the driver where you want to go, and say "meter?" Only take a meter taxi. Once underway, the driver will ask you,"motorway?" Say yes, as it's quicker (+ 70 baht). If you arrive in the later evening and are heading for Sukhumvit you can skip the motorway to save on the toll. The non-motorway trip to lower Sukhumvit should only cost +- 200 baht.

2) Never take a taxi that is parked outside a hotel or attraction. These are the ones that charge more and often scam people.

3) Always ask "meter," before you get in a taxi? It is quite rare that a driver will purposely get stalled in traffic, or drive around, to add to the cost.

There's a lot more that I could add, but part of the fun of visiting Bangkok is figuring it all out.

Did you go to Pattaya? Chok dee! .[/QUOTE]Very good tips from the very experienced Fon Tok. One of those is amazingly important. Never waste your time talking to a taxi driver that has possibly been parked for some time. It is always going to go badly, virtually without exception. These drivers are rip off guys. I am sometimes amazed to see a Thai person actually ask them (and get knocked back of course). I don't bother to speak to them at all. Often they are looking only for certain destinations or shoppers and will always cost too much. Always grab a taxi just passing or just arrived dropping off other customers, as Fon Tok says! This applies to almost anywhere you catch a taxi, e.g. outside hotels, discos, bars, etc. Same applies to Tuk Tuks, however mostly forget about Tuk Tuks altogether. Only motorcycle rides should be taken from the standard parked area.

I too have experienced the very occasional circumnavigation of Bangkok with an extremely indirect route using fast flowing freeways, even though I speak Thai, and was carrying GPS and knew the correct route well. Everyone gets burned sometime. I was too busy chatting to the girl to pay attention to the route at first.

Hi,

I'll be next month in BKK for my first ime after having been many times in Cambodia.

Can you advise me wich is the right price for having fun with ladies in BKK? How much for ST and LT?

Thank you guys

[QUOTE=Dreams1973; 1190584]Hi,

I'll be next month in BKK for my first ime after having been many times in Cambodia.

Can you advise me wich is the right price for having fun with ladies in BKK? How much for ST and LT?

Thank you guys[/QUOTE]I was surprised that someone with 26 posts was asking such a dumb question.

Then I looked at your other 25 posts. Now I understand.

My advice is to contribute a little and you will get a better response (even for dumb questions).

No doubt he is the same dude who posts ridiculous questions on another site. He has at least 3 accounts there.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1189939]Thanks for your interesting and often funny (!) insights. First trip, first lessons. Some useful, some not.

[. ]

1) At the airport go to the top floor and catch a taxi that has just dropped someone off. Don't go with the first guy who is out of his cab barking for riders. Find one where the people are just getting out. Don't get in the cab, but tell the driver where you want to go, and say "meter?" Only take a meter taxi. Once underway, the driver will ask you,"motorway?" Say yes, as it's quicker (+ 70 baht). If you arrive in the later evening and are heading for Sukhumvit you can skip the motorway to save on the toll. The non-motorway trip to lower Sukhumvit should only cost +- 200 baht.[/QUOTE]Another airport taxi tip: if you take the expressway in to Bangkok, check the meter as the cab reaches the *first* toll booth. The fare should read around 141 Baht. (Sometimes 139 or 143 but rarely). If it's anything more than 141, the meter is rigged. Remember the distance is exactly the same every time, so the fare should be the same. Many of the taxis that work the 'official' taxi rank on the ground floor seem to have rigged meters these days. It's usually only +10% or 20% so most arriving passengers wouldn't notice.

Bar-fined a mature girl (clearly over 20) N1 in Sheba's (Soi Cowboy) , but the one with the hottest body below the waist (tits only A). Also enjoyed the shows (lesbian, oil, soap suds, etc.) and a very young looking one was the best dancer and quite cute, so bought her a drink or two also. Turned out both girls were close friends. N1 urged me to take the young one N2 also. Found out N2 was 18. I was given a guarantee that N2 was a fantastically good fuck. N1 and N2 had been together before. Eventually I agreed.

Wasn't disappointed. N2 had a slightly bigger build than N1 and perfect sized pussy for me. She relaxed and opended very wide. Both responded well to DATY but N2 may have faked it seeming to come rather too quick. Extremely enjoyable session. Its hard to beat the feeling of screwing one girl while the other is licking your balls, or BBBJ with same time ball-licking.

For duos, pick girls not too shy and interact with each other well, e. G. Lesbian show performers that also dance well are best bets.

I use N1 and N2 because most Thai girl names start with N. Nit, Noi, Nok, Ning, Noot, Nut, Nat, Nong, Nuan, Nan, Naam, Noon, Nom, etc.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1190775]No doubt he is the same dude who posts ridiculous questions on another site. He has at least 3 accounts there.[/QUOTE]Pl don't call him "dreams". The real one is. Me. Hopefully, more credible.

There are many fish balls in BK and I have been in many of them. Last time I was in BK, I was in a few bigg places, that was far from Sukomwit area. It was almost entirely Asian customers there. And the prices were relatively low. Does anyone have any favorite places where there are beautiful women on an equal footing with the more expensive places?

I am also very interested in Eastern European women. Does anyone have any phone numbers, and locations where these ladies is to share with me?

I am also interested in how EE ladies do business around the Pathaya.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1190861]Pl don't call him "dreams". The real one is. Me. Hopefully, more credible.[/QUOTE]OK, sorry man.

[QUOTE=Dick1; 1190894]There are many fish balls in BK and I have been in many of them. Last time I was in BK, I was in a few bigg places, that was far from Sukomwit area. It was almost entirely Asian customers there. And the prices were relatively low. Does anyone have any favorite places where there are beautiful women on an equal footing with the more expensive places?

I am also very interested in Eastern European women. Does anyone have any phone numbers, and locations where these ladies is to share with me?

I am also interested in how EE ladies do business around the Pathaya.[/QUOTE]"Fish Balls" :confused: I guess you mean "fish bowls".

Try the BKK Massage Thread.

For good East European women, try the Germany FKK thread.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1190775]No doubt he is the same dude who posts ridiculous questions on another site. He has at least 3 accounts there.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I never wrote on any other site. I don't know what are you telling. How I told in my former post I have been many times in Cambodia and I already posted my experience there (and also in madrid.). It is true I already asked some things about BKK bec I planned to go there last year but at the end I couldn't go and so now I am going for my first yime there. Sorry if somebody felt upset for my post but it wasn't my idea to hurt somebody. Surely iwill post my experience after my trip there.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1190919]Does anyone know a good soapie near Soi 3 Sukhumvit? I know, I know RTFF but give an old guy a break! .[/QUOTE]Cross the road and enter Soi 4, walk past Nana parking, keep on walking for 100 meters till, to your right there is an opening to a road access. Enter it, walk for 50 meters to the other end, watch at the last bar on the left with a red sign reading "Annie's Soap Massage". Step in one fly of stairs and a fishbowl is at your right with another room with sideline girls.

Mamasan will eventually help you I'm the choice.

What she might not tell you is that once in the room you have to strip naked.

Strongly recommended for a good soapie as it works better.

Does this help?

[QUOTE=Capitalized On; 1189717]After months of useless babbling chit-chat dialog on this forum I thought I

Would (hopefully) add some useful new observations from a first timer to BKK...[/QUOTE]As a Bangkok resident let me just add my 2 cents. Paying more than 250 baht at just about any time of day to get to Sukhumvit from the airport is unnecessary. Paying 500 by Thai standards is absolutely ludicrous and just furthers the impression that all farangs are walking ATM's. You get a taxi, you tell him to turn on the meter, if he doesn't, you politely tell him to stop and you get another taxi, very simple. For a very short distance nearby, you will pay 40-50 baht, for 100 baht you can pretty much go halfway across Bangkok. I take meter taxis and 99. 9% of the time the guy knows the city and gets me to the destination as fast as possible. You don't get there faster by paying more.

And by the way. 99. 9% of the girls in Insomnia are pros. You may get one for free, but they are all pros nevertheless. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1190919]Does anyone know a good soapie near Soi 3 Sukhumvit? I know, I know RTFF but give an old guy a break! .[/QUOTE]Annie's is right near there. I usually stay at JW Marriott (soi 2) and it is literally down the road.

Google for Annie's Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Oldian;1191031]As a Bangkok resident let me just add my 2 cents. Paying more than 250 baht at just about any time of day to get to Sukhumvit from the airport is unnecessary. Paying 500 by Thai standards is absolutely ludicrous and just furthers the impression that all farangs are walking ATM's. You get a taxi, you tell him to turn on the meter, if he doesn't, you politely tell him to stop and you get another taxi, very simple. For a very short distance nearby, you will pay 40-50 baht, for 100 baht you can pretty much go halfway across Bangkok. I take meter taxis and 99. 9% of the time the guy knows the city and gets me to the destination as fast as possible. You don't get there faster by paying more.[/QUOTE]If you are a BKK resident and speak some Thai, then this is probably correct. However as a newly arriving passenger fresh off the aeroplane this can be difficult. It's all very well telling him to stop and getting out, but you could be a few hundred metres down the freeway with your bags by then.

As has been said many times, probably the best deal is to go up to Departures and grab a cab that has just dropped a passenger. I always say '300Bht, expressway' and that gets me to my destination fine. Last time I requested 'meter', the driver was low on gas and asked if he could drive to a gas station nearby. I obviously agreed, but thought he would have the decency to turn off his meter, but this is Thailand. Couldn't be bothered to argue, but I did turn down his request for a tip at the end.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1191177]If you are a BKK resident and speak some Thai, then this is probably correct. However as a newly arriving passenger fresh off the aeroplane this can be difficult. It's all very well telling him to stop and getting out, but you could be a few hundred metres down the freeway with your bags by then.

As has been said many times, probably the best deal is to go up to Departures and grab a cab that has just dropped a passenger. I always say '300Bht, expressway' and that gets me to my destination fine. Last time I requested 'meter', the driver was low on gas and asked if he could drive to a gas station nearby. I obviously agreed, but thought he would have the decency to turn off his meter, but this is Thailand. Couldn't be bothered to argue, but I did turn down his request for a tip at the end.[/QUOTE]Actually the motorway from Airport to Asoke can be done quite quickly without using the expressway above. Much of the time, when not bad traffic jams, the underneath motorway is just as fast. Can end up paying 45 Baht above for a very short distance indeed. It depends which section of Suk you are heading for. If staying in very low Sois of Suk I would take the expressway. If in Sois around Phrom Pong, taking the expressway often won't help much. Give the driver a good tip instead for getting you there quickly. I have never actually experienced a bad traffic jam on the free motorway. Maybe just lucky.

You ideally should know which freeway entrances and exists are in the vicinity of your Hotel, for those occasions when traffic is bad, assuming freeway itself is not at a standstill. I sometimes have the taxi enter freeway off Rama 4 just because can get to that part quicker at the time.

To me, it is hit or miss either way.

From airport I have had them offer a flat 350-400B including tolls. A couple of times we hit bad traffic and that meter would have been 5-600 or more, since it took forever to get there.

If you want peace of mind, just make them turn on the meter.

Last time there was no traffic and it was 250 from Airport to Soi 11.

Bottom line: There are Taxi rip offs in tourist areas all over the world. None of us like it, but it is much worse in some Euro countries and even some of the US. Don't let a few bucks put you in a pissed off mood to start your trip.

[QUOTE=Orange Crust; 1190006]Last taxi comment from me. I'm often amazed of scams, and one of the best I saw was a taxi at BKK arrivals. So I get through the line and I get a taxi assigned. Everything is on the up and up you know marked cab from the right cue. Anyways, I get loaded and confirm destination. His meter was blank, almost like no power. So we start to move, and the meter is still dark. I begin to insist on meter but cabbie ignoring me. So he reaches over and hits a switch. Meter is on, fare is already at 85bt or something like that. Thai taxi meters include a window for elapsed waiting time. His was like already at 40 minutes or so. He ignores my protests of scam all the way to destination. I'm pissed because I know I paid like $3 too much (but I will spend that on a coffee. It's just principle.). We get to destination and he actually adjusts the fare downward. So I'm ok. I think what happened was really he scammed the taxi owner or company by keeping the meter black. It's like he had it running but the display LEDs were turned off. A first timer would have no idea. Anyways, I kinda laugh now, it the same concept of Cuban taxi drivers being able to turn off their odometers.

Final comment. I love BKK taxi's. Great price and most are clean. I once had a driver told me to be careful with a girl because he overheard the girl's conversation in Thai on her cellphone. After I dropped her off, he said becareful, girl say very bad things, he wouldn't elaborate but I played it safe. For a cabbie to be giving me a warning. It was either not flattering or it was something that may have been planned. Not worth the risk either way but why doubt him, it's not like offered me another girl. Oh yeah, and one other story. Got my 19 year old gf drunk one night (half my age) so we stumbled out of the bar. I think it was Bangkok Beat on Soi 7 or so. She tumbles into the cab, and passes out, I roll in beside her and bark out my destination. Shit, this guy had a police badge dangling from the rearview mirror. I could see him sizing me up with my all tramped out girl (she like to do it up for me). I was worried all the way back, I was getting those evil eyes and I was worried my girl would puke in his cab. Ended up being no problem, but in that 10 minute ride, many bad scenerios were racing through my mind how this could be one expensive ride.[/QUOTE]While it is entirely possible that the meter was rigged, it may also have simply been the 35 Baht starting rate plus the 50 Baht fee for starting at the airport. This is common in many countries but I have not seen it in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1189327]I had her long-time about six months ago. Can't remember what I paid, would have been either 1500 or 2000. The photo doesn't do her justice, she's really sweet.[/QUOTE]I know better than to feed the trolls, but I'll follow up anyway.

The photo of New from Afterskool is real. I shot it using available light and touched it up a bit using Microsoft Office Picture Manager. But it's definitely her. As Mr. Rocksoff notes, it doesn't do her justice. Out of her clothes New has a slim, toned body and very nice tits. In bed she gives a great BBBJ and fucked my lights out in several positions. When I couldn't take it anymore, New perched her tight little ass on the ottoman and blew me bareback while looking up into my eyes and playing with my balls until I launched a big load of cum all over her face.

From the bar to the hotel and throughout the session, New was playful and relaxed and generally fun to hang around with. And that, gentlemen, is a combination that's rare among the bar girls on Soi Cowboy.

Here's another photo of her, this one taken with flash.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Mando Dog;1191279]While it is entirely possible that the meter was rigged, it may also have simply been the 35 Baht starting rate plus the 50 Baht fee for starting at the airport. This is common in many countries but I have not seen it in Thailand.[/QUOTE]If I well recall the 50 Baht airport fee (by the way it is clearly NOT compulsory as said in the airporto authority ordnance. But always charged, on the assumpotion one takes the service of the people writing yr destination on a slip) is NOT metered.

The 25 Baht starting rate IS metered

Hello, There

It has been a few years since I posted hear and I have noticed how the format of the forum has changed.

I am looking for a list of bars for Bangkok.

Can anyone please supply me a link to somewhere on this forum where I can find them and maybe with a guide price.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1191237]To me, it is hit or miss either way.

From airport I have had them offer a flat 350-400B including tolls. A couple of times we hit bad traffic and that meter would have been 5-600 or more, since it took forever to get there.

If you want peace of mind, just make them turn on the meter.

Last time there was no traffic and it was 250 from Airport to Soi 11.

Bottom line: There are Taxi rip offs in tourist areas all over the world. None of us like it, but it is much worse in some Euro countries and even some of the US. Don't let a few bucks put you in a pissed off mood to start your trip.[/QUOTE]When they offer 350-400 its not going to be a bargain. They will probably avoid the tollway. If catch the taxi upstairs that has just dropped off customers, you avoid the 50 Baht surcharge, and also driver will be so happy to get another customer immediately, that he will be more than happy to agree to the meter rather than a long wait.

5-600 Baht is just speculation. Never ever costs even close to that. Maybe I arrive at the right time of day, but it never takes me forever to get there either, given a sensible route. Lat time arrived midday on Saturday and no problem. If you were to leave airport at 7 to 8AM on a working day, I appreciate that it may be bad. Fortunately my planes usually arrive earlier than that before very heavy traffic gets going. In that case (7-8AM) the sky link may be worth while.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1191277]Thanks, Dr. P. Did you see any busty ones in there? .[/QUOTE]Saw a girl or two with big naturals at Sheba last night. Not sure if were Ds or just Big Cs. But very beautifully shaped and a cute face to go with it. I generally go for the more racey slimmer girls so I didn't try her but was tempting. Sheba has all sizes of body and tits but only a couple of silicone jobs. Shows start around 10:30PM.

Right now the girls in this bar do more for me than any bar in Nana. Helps that some of them get totally nude with well trimmed pussy too.

I think there is too much of the fake looks in Nana bars, whether silicone, nose jobs, strange hairdos, etc. Possibly for the Japanese audience. Rainbow 4 is a good example. Will admit Rainbow 2 had a couple of real pretty girls but they were taken very quickly real early.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1191389]If I well recall the 50 Baht airport fee (by the way it is clearly NOT compulsory as said in the airporto authority ordnance. But always charged, on the assumpotion one takes the service of the people writing yr destination on a slip) is NOT metered.

The 25 Baht starting rate IS metered[/QUOTE]There are many scams regarding the taxis. BTW the starting rate was 35 B when I was last there. I had one time a taxi where the meter spun faster than the car wheels. It was 600 B when I reached Suk. I just paid him 300 and told him to call the police if he wanted more. He left. Another one, the guy wanted to fill up his tank. Took him over 2-3 miles (out of the way) to find one. And he kept that on the meter. Also, I have noticed that the 50 B surcharge is not always collected.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1191520]When they offer 350-400 its not going to be a bargain. They will probably avoid the tollway. If catch the taxi upstairs that has just dropped off customers, you avoid the 50 Baht surcharge, and also driver will be so happy to get another customer immediately, that he will be more than happy to agree to the meter rather than a long wait.

5-600 Baht is just speculation. Never ever costs even close to that. Maybe I arrive at the right time of day, but it never takes me forever to get there either, given a sensible route. Lat time arrived midday on Saturday and no problem. If you were to leave airport at 7 to 8AM on a working day, I appreciate that it may be bad. Fortunately my planes usually arrive earlier than that before very heavy traffic gets going. In that case (7-8AM) the sky link may be worth while.[/QUOTE]I stated 350-400 including tolls. If there is an accident on the toll toad (which happened to me) it took twice as long and the fee could have been 500-600. Not speculation, but fact based upon the time and meter rates.

If they offer 350 including tolls, that is not a terrible rate. If it is that important to think you are going to save a buck, do it your way.

I had major fun during my short stay in Bangkok this past weekend (reports to follow). However, the downer was that Insomnia was closed on Saturday night. I went there after making rounds in Nana plaza with the intention of ending my night at Insomnia (and maybe picking up a stunner there). But that wasn't meant to be. I was told that the closure is permanent (for now) and was a result of the new political bodies in Thailand (and Bangkok). Such a shame!

[QUOTE=Capitalized On; 1189717]After months of useless babbling chit-chat dialog on this forum I thought I

7) Insomnia nightclub club after hours- OMG! NOT a go-go or strip bar-

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1191676]There are many scams regarding the taxis. BTW the starting rate was 35 B when I was last there. I had one time a taxi where the meter spun faster than the car wheels. It was 600 B when I reached Suk. I just paid him 300 and told him to call the police if he wanted more. He left. Another one, the guy wanted to fill up his tank. Took him over 2-3 miles (out of the way) to find one. And he kept that on the meter. Also, I have noticed that the 50 B surcharge is not always collected.[/QUOTE]I took once a taxi from departure and he was ok to go by the meter.

After some 2/300 he tried to activate the meter but this did not move.

I started to feel nervous as I was anticipating a cheating that I would have blocked as I knew "my rate" to Suk 33.

I tried a couple of times more, feeling sorry for the meter that did not work.

We went through the toll gates, that I paid.

When we arrived at destination he asked me the usual fee, spot on! I added a 50 Baht tip to prize his honesty: the meter really did not work!

lollipop is new bj bar in suk soi 10 about 20 metres in turn to the left. tuk (famous from sol) is a co-owner manager as she has retired from active duty it seems. quite a few ladies, but not that pretty of course. the only ones i fancied at all were busy, but i am very picky. full sex available too. no idea which girls have skills similar to tuk. not sure how compares to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] overall, but the place looks classy.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1191687]I stated 350-400 including tolls. If there is an accident on the toll toad (which happened to me) it took twice as long and the fee could have been 500-600. Not speculation, but fact based upon the time and meter rates.

If they offer 350 including tolls, that is not a terrible rate. If it is that important to think you are going to save a buck, do it your way.[/QUOTE]
350-400 is a price that allows the taxi to make some extra profit. He may avoid the toll gates to boost his profit. I prefer to pay tolls separately when needed. He then gets 250 Baht or use the meter. Perhaps 350 is close to the mark including 70 Baht tolls and airport surcharge of 50.

Okay I did not allow for the most extraordinary of circumstances. I have not experienced totals in that realm even with delays.

"Could have been", and "fact" are somewhat self contradictory expressions. I can see however, that if you know the exact flag fall, rate per minute when stationery and rate per km, you could calculate it. So what are these rates currently? Perhaps you could show a calculation and how much wasted time was required to rack up such a high total. Then we could accept it as virtually fact.

I am not sure exactly, but I know the price per stationery minute is actually quite low. The taxis always complain about that one and how little they make when stuck in traffic jam.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1191676]There are many scams regarding the taxis. BTW the starting rate was 35 B when I was last there. I had one time a taxi where the meter spun faster than the car wheels. It was 600 B when I reached Suk. I just paid him 300 and told him to call the police if he wanted more. He left. Another one, the guy wanted to fill up his tank. Took him over 2-3 miles (out of the way) to find one. And he kept that on the meter. Also, I have noticed that the 50 B surcharge is not always collected.[/QUOTE]2 that I've come across. The first was a driver who didn't turn on the meter until prompted to and then the damn thing had both the time and distance counters going. Double-dipping was bad enough. No way was I going to become the third dip. I knew the correct fare and paid it pointing to his faulty meter. He gave a dumb-shit smile and accepted the money.

The second and far slicker is what I call the Happy Idiot Driver. This guy was older and was taking me over the river by way of one of the Bhumibol bridges. The key is you have to turn off midway and he didn't. Oh silly him! He missed the turn. All the way to the end of the bridge and eventually find a you-turn. Silly him missed quite a few turns since silly him didn't know the fuck where he was going even though he said he did. Truly a masterpiece of acting the Idiot, really. I ended up paying the inflated fare just because he took the Art of Idiocy to an amazing level. Sometimes you have to be impressed.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1191851]350-400 is a price that allows the taxi to make some extra profit. He may avoid the toll gates to boost his profit. I prefer to pay tolls separately when needed. He then gets 250 Baht or use the meter. Perhaps 350 is close to the mark including 70 Baht tolls and airport surcharge of 50.

Okay I did not allow for the most extraordinary of circumstances. I have not experienced totals in that realm even with delays.

"Could have been", and "fact" are somewhat self contradictory expressions. I can see however, that if you know the exact flag fall, rate per minute when stationery and rate per km, you could calculate it. So what are these rates currently? Perhaps you could show a calculation and how much wasted time was required to rack up such a high total. Then we could accept it as virtually fact.

I am not sure exactly, but I know the price per stationery minute is actually quite low. The taxis always complain about that one and how little they make when stuck in traffic jam.[/QUOTE]Here are the fares ([url]http://www.bangkokguidebook.com/meter-taxis/[/url]) :
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"Fare Rates.

0-2 kilometre. 35 baht.

2-12 kilometre. 4.5 baht per km

12-20 kilometre. 5 baht per km.

Over 20 kilometre. 5.5 baht per km

If the taxis is stuck in a traffic jam and cannot move faster then 6 kph, there is an extra charge of 1. 25 baht per minute.

If you caught the taxi inside the airport then there is a 50 baht surcharge. If you dialed 1584 or 02 725 460 to call a taxi then there is a surcharge of 20 baht. In all cases, the passenger is expected to pay any toll-way fees."
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Distance from Airport to Soi Nana is just under 30km (I got that measured by Google Maps Directions feature). Tolls 70 I guess and airport Surcharge 50 (can be avoided). Its also a little less distance if you stay around Asoke or Soi 33 for example. I often avoid both the surcharge and the Tolls as motorway underneath is very good if going to higher Sois in Suk.

70 + 50 + 35 (first 2km) + 45 (next 10 km) + 40 (next 8 km) + 55 (last 10 km) = 295 Baht (remember can be less if avoid the 50 Baht surcharge and / or the tollways)

How much stationery time would be needed to rack up 500 Baht? And 600 Baht?

(500-295) /1. 25 = 164 mins stopped (thats nearly 3 hours extra above the fast trip time of 30 mins e.g. At 3AM)
(600-295) /1. 25 = 244 mins (i.e. plus 4 hours)

Now we are starting to talk facts unless I goofed the calculations.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1191868]Here are the fares (

[url]http://www.bangkokguidebook.com/meter-taxis/[/url]

) :

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"Fare Rates.

0-2 kilometre. 35 baht.

2-12 kilometre. 4.5 baht per km

12-20 kilometre. 5 baht per km.

Over 20 kilometre. 5.5 baht per km

If the taxis is stuck in a traffic jam and cannot move faster then 6 kph, there is an extra charge of 1. 25 baht per minute.

If you caught the taxi inside the airport then there is a 50 baht surcharge. If you dialed 1584 or 02 725 460 to call a taxi then there is a surcharge of 20 baht. In all cases, the passenger is expected to pay any toll-way fees."

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Distance from Airport to Soi Nana is just under 30km (I got that measured by Google Maps Directions feature). Tolls 70 I guess and airport Surcharge 50 (can be avoided). Its also a little less distance if you stay around Asoke or Soi 33 for example. I often avoid both the surcharge and the Tolls as motorway underneath is very good if going to higher Sois in Suk.

70 + 50 + 35 (first 2km) + 45 (next 10 km) + 40 (next 8 km) + 55 (last 10 km) = 295 Baht (remember can be less if avoid the 50 Baht surcharge and / or the tollways)

How much stationery time would be needed to rack up 500 Baht? And 600 Baht?

(500-295) /1. 25 = 164 mins stopped (thats nearly 3 hours extra above the fast trip time of 30 mins e. G. At 3AM)

(600-295) /1. 25 = 244 mins (I. E. Plus 4 hours)

Now we are starting to talk facts unless I goofed the calculations.[/QUOTE]I am laughing, but thank you for all your hard work on that. I am not a math wiz, but it looks pretty good.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1188259]"If we take Degan's number of 1/2000, and use 10% infection in the target group (and that is probably too large, but we'll go with it) , we arrive at 13, 862. 6 sexual encounters to have a 50% probability of infection. That's a different partner every single day for about 38 years, and then it is only even money you are infected."[/QUOTE]Not seeing where you got this figure from. Isn't that for HIV subtype B anyways? It seems HIV subtype E is closer to 1 in 30 or 1 in 60.

Also, the 13, 862 figure seems strange when 1/2000 * 10% = 1 in 20, 000. Seems like the 50% point would be at 10, 000 encounters instead.

my third time in thailand, and also my third in bangkok.

i was actually supposed to go on holiday in the dr with a buddy, but as he became unavailable at the last moment, i opted instead to return to the los: 3 days in bangkok and 6 in pattaya.

all opinions and comments obviously reflect and are the result of:
1- me being a tourist in town for a few days only
2- my own body type preferences: slim and leggy girls for sure; tall, no silicone and under 30 if possible.


[b][color=maroon][size=3]lollipop 1[/size][/color][/b]
not to be confused with the lollipop gogo in nana entertainment plaza, it is impossible to miss: as soon as you turn into soi 10 from sukhumvit you’ll notice the standing sign. check my pic below for reference.

my first ever “bj bar” experience was at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in 2008: back then i refused an older lady to select a younger, better looking girl, only to find out that the bj itself, while satisfactory, wasn’t anything special at all.
for this reason this time i approached lollipop 1 with the firm intention of selecting what appeared to be a more experienced provider, regardless of looks, hoping her technique would be better.
joy, from some place in isaan close to cambodia, fit the bill.
her suction and hand skills were quite good, but her looks so poor that i had to close my eyes and think of someone else.

so, does it make sense to use one precious orgasm for this kind of quality/service? ymmv, but the answer in my case is no. as a sexual tourist, i don’t think i will visit these kind of venues again in the future, unless an attractive girl comes highly recommended.
of course i would probably have a different opinion if i lived and worked in bangkok and needed to use these places for an extremely quick stress release.

700 for service + 260 for 2 drinks + 40 for tip = 1.000 baht

finally, while fully aware that prices and breadth of services cannot be compared, if you want to experience a first class job with deep-throat action and cim, some of the girls at places like mango and tulip will offer you a demonstration of what a professional bj really is.


[b][color=maroon][size=3]hana massage/rin and mango massage/cherry[/size][/color][/b]

[b]hana/rin[/b]
rin has many fans in this forum, and since i never had a balls massage before, i felt i should try her services.
hana massage is located in a side alley along soi 22, about a 5/6 minute walk from sukhumvit on the left side, almost opposite the mercure hotel.

even by the often low bangkok standards, this parlor may induce you to do a quick about face:
- as you can see in my pic below, the alley is very nondescript and poor looking.
- as i approached the shop a mangy dog, who rin was tending to, started barking at me.
- rin as reported is not young, difficult to tell, could be 40 to 60 years old.
- i wasn’t offered a drink or anything.
- the room where the massage took place was extremely small and cramped.

but then rin starts, and by the time she’s finished your legs have turned into jelly, for just 1.000 baht all inclusive. it may not be something i’d want to do regularly, but this was definitely a hand-job from heaven.

funny bit: upon asking, rin explained that it was an old white guy who taught her!


[b]mango/cherry[/b]
it seemed that cherry could do no wrong, all her reviews were good and i think one of our brothers even wrote an ode to her. i had to try this girl.
i can now tell from first-hand experience: my best p4p ever.
once or twice i have had better pornstar-3-holes-sex, i have had other pretty good gfes, but no one had so far ever be able to mix and blend both ingredients in such a seamless way. add to it that she’s quite good looking and tall for a thai woman, and you start to get the picture.
of course everyone is different and you may be disappointed or underwhelmed, but i think this girl simply has great sex skills and a gift for interacting with men in bed.

i actually had 2 sessions with her, one in-house at mango and the other “take-out” at my hotel.
i wish to all the same level of satisfaction, and i wish cherry the very best.


[b][color=maroon][size=3]gogos[/size][/color][/b]
my previous two times in bangkok i limited myself to soi cowboy and did not visit nana plaza, which with all the grabbing and the ladyboys around gave me the impression of being a bit too hardcore and tourist oriented. this time around i booked my hotel in the nana area with the intention of skipping soi cowboy altogether.

[b]angelwitch:[/b]
nice shows but very average girls.

[b]las vegas:[/b]
i remembered a piece on the stickman about the opening of this gogo, and got in looking for a good show, which in fact proved to be pretty good, with five girls doing choreographed dances and the likes. the manager (a short guy with dyed hair, a suit and a crazy look) told me they could not be barfined, while the mamasan told me they could be barfined but only at closing time.
as for the other girls, they were average, with a couple of 18 year olds fresh form the village, one of which i selected for the night.
being a new place, in relative gogo terms the toilets were fantastic.

[b]lollipop:[/b]
when i got in at half past midnight there were only 4 girls dancing on stage.
papasan was dressed like one of those deranged yakuzas in the takashi miike movies.

[b]rainbow 3:[/b]
few customers, average girls, a lower than usual dancing stage.
met a girl who i saw last august in a gogo in samui, and barfined her: she asked for 2.000 / 4.000, i countered with 1.000 / 2.000, and got the deal done halfway.

[b]rainbow 4:[/b]
plenty of girls, no fatties, no oldies, the best average quality, but they mostly looked bored and their dancing was limited to a stiff shuffling of the feet.
it seemed that on one of the two stages ladies always kept their bra on.

[b]also:[/b]
- gogos at the ground floor seemed the worst
- less tattoos compared to cowboy and pattaya
- plenty of scavenging kittens around, but no full grown cats: do they get eaten by the locals?


[b]bangkok gogos vs pattaya gogos[/b]
(obviously a generalization, and i have never been to patpong)

pattaya gogos are in my opinion a lot better and more customer friendly, for a series of reasons:
- while in pattaya the dancers move up and down the length of the stage, in bangkok they mostly stand still, making it difficult to evaluate some of them from your own distant seat.
- while in pattaya the prettiest dancers actually make some sexy dance/moves, in bangkok the prettiest ones can’t be bothered to move their hips.
- while in pattaya girls do make an effort to look in your direction and smile or attract your attention, in bangkok they mostly look at themselves in the mirror.
- finally, and this i believe is mostly due to the customers, in the pattaya gogos there’s a different energy, a sense of wild and free spirited fun which the bangkok venues totally lack.


[b]bangkok gogos: convenient or not?[/b]
since quite recently a debate raged on this thread about the convenience or lack thereof of gogos vs other kinds of establishment, i will offer my humble take, [i]aimed strictly at those of us on a quick bangkok visit[/i].
1- the best gogos are always worth a visit, even if simply to check out some good looking birds. if you want to be able to see exactly what you’re getting, and/or if you value looks over everything else and it’s past 11pm, read no further.
2- visiting a gogo with someone else can be fun, but gogos visited by yourself could make you feel a bit sad/lonely.
3- in the bangkok p4p scene, gogos offer a good bang for buck ratio only when you go long time in your hotel. if you go short time keep in mind that a take-out sex freak from an oily shop like mango would cost you the same or probably less, and the sex be infinitely more rewarding.
4- to lower as much as possible the possibility of a poor experience, talk to the mamasan [u]before[/u] you finalize your selection.


[b][color=maroon][size=3]hotel[/size][/color][/b]
the [i][b]dynasty grande[/b][/i] is located in the nana area between soi 4 and soi 6, about a 3 minute walk both from nana plaza and nana bts station, making it close to the action and transport and yet far enough to result very quiet.
there’s a 7-eleven in the next building and an atm just outside the lobby.
they take and keep the girl’s id card until she leaves.
[url]http://www.dynastygrande.com/index.htm[/url]


[b][color=maroon][size=3]restaurants[/size][/color][/b]
for those who need a break from the spiciness of thai food: in the back alley on the left at the beginning of soi 11, among the various eateries, there’s a spanish tapas bar, simply called [i][b]tapas cafè[/b][/i], which does its job pretty well.
[url]http://www.tapasiarestaurants.com/[/url]

obviously quite expensive, but the night view from the [i][b]sky bar[/b][/i] and restaurant at the 63rd floor of the state tower in silom really is something.
[url]http://www.lebua.com/en/the-dome-dining/sky-bar-bangkok/[/url]


[b][color=maroon][size=3]random tidbits and observations[/size][/color][/b]
i read on this thread that the [i][b]eden club[/b][/i] was going downhill: while i did not enter i can say that on two separate strolls up and down the soi, one in the late afternoon and the other in the early evening, from the outside the place looked dead.

along soi 22, on the right side if coming from sukhumvit, there’s a cluster of beer-bars called [i][b]queens park plaza[/b][/i]: drinks are cheap and there were at least a couple of very pretty girls.

during my bangkok stay i read the mystery novel “[i][b]a nail through the heart[/b][/i]”, which is set there and deals a bit with the life of street urchins. and there are a lot along sukhumvit.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/dp/0061257222[/url]

if you’d like to invest some time in regular girls who speak decent english, there are a few cute ones at the [i][b]jim thompson house museum[/b][/i].

while at 6pm the queues made bts asok station impossible to manage, siam was relatively calm despite the crowds at siam paragon.

for a good thrill, take a moto-taxi during rush hour along sukhumvit: it will feel like you’re shooting an action movie chase sequence.


thanks as always to all those who contribute to the forum,

ryo

[QUOTE=Cwomd; 1191940]Not seeing where you got this figure from. Isn't that for HIV subtype B anyways? It seems HIV subtype E is closer to 1 in 30 or 1 in 60.

Also, the 13, 862 figure seems strange when 1/2000 * 10% = 1 in 20, 000. Seems like the 50% point would be at 10, 000 encounters instead.[/QUOTE]The "figure" quoted was not mine but from the person quoted. I have no idea how he arrived at that number, though even at 10, 000 encounters that is over 27 years of BB sex every day with only a 50% chance of HIV infection.

I have read the 1 in 2000 figure is from a study or studies re the B type. This amount is found at the link I already provided.

My post {number 15046 from August 19 of this thread} disagreed with your numbers and explained why. BTW the same post, from the same date, was also copied onto the Safe Sex in Thailand thread at the request of the moderator.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba; 1191952]My third time in Thailand, and also my third in Bangkok.

IThanks as always to all those who contribute to the forum,

Ryo[/QUOTE.

This is a great report, simple and comprehensive.

Well done by someone to link it on report of distinctions.

Hope the newbies read it for good

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba; 1191952]My third time in Thailand, and also my third in Bangkok.

RANDOM TIDBITS AND OBSERVATIONS.

I read on this thread that the [i][b]Eden Club[/b][/i] Was going downhill: while I did not enter I can say that on two separate strolls up and down the soi, one in the late afternoon and the other in the early evening, from the outside the place looked dead.[/QUOTE]Great report.

Regarding Eden Club, this could simply reflect that the girls are all inside: either working or more likely in a line-up. I haven't been there for a while, but I walked past recently (I always go to the massage place next door) and I was surprised to be impressed by the quality of the girls at first glance.

Sometimes the short way to the airport is not the quickest. If you were staying in Suk Soi 22 for example, it could be that getting to Rama IX expressway could take a very long time in traffic jam with heavy rain. The other option, is to get on freeway is at Khlong Toei off Rama 4. Then head off on the Bang Na. Chonburi expressway and enter the airport the back way. Its a longer distance (over 40 km) and cost me 270 Baht on the meter, but was quick as did not experience traffic jams on the way to freeway and freeway was fairly empty (unlike Rama 9 freeway).

At 8:50PM I was still watching the football in Hotel lobby. Quickly packed the bags, checked out of Hotel, caught the taxi to airport (2 toll booths) , checked in airport, passed Immigration (moderately busy) by 10:10PM. Forgot to actually time the taxi ride.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1192016]Sometimes the short way to the airport is not the quickest. If you were staying in Suk Soi 22 for example, it could be that getting to Rama IX expressway could take a very long time in traffic jam with heavy rain. The other option, is to get on freeway is at Khlong Toei off Rama 4. Then head off on the Bang Na. Chonburi expressway and enter the airport the back way. Its a longer distance (over 40 km) and cost me 270 Baht on the meter, but was quick as did not experience traffic jams on the way to freeway and freeway was fairly empty (unlike Rama 9 freeway).[/QUOTE]Thank you for this information Syzygies. Last time I left the Davis Hotel Tuesday night at 6:00pm peak hour for an 8:30pm flight the taxi took me this way but I didn't know the name of the freeway. Now I will be able to ask to go this way all the time. BTW, leaving at 6:00pm it took about 10 minutes in very heavy traffic to get from the Davis to the freeway then 25 minutes in light traffic to the airport. I paid 400 Baht including tolls.

I am in Bangkok for today and tomorrow.

If anyone is around we get can together

[QUOTE=Cwomd; 1191940]Not seeing where you got this figure from. Isn't that for HIV subtype B anyways? It seems HIV subtype E is closer to 1 in 30 or 1 in 60.

Also, the 13, 862 figure seems strange when 1/2000 * 10% = 1 in 20, 000. Seems like the 50% point would be at 10, 000 encounters instead.[/QUOTE]Just briefly, the math works like this. Each occurrence has a chance, let's say, of 1/20, 000. If, let's say instead for example / illustration, each occurrence had a chance of 1/2, that would NOT mean that after 2 times you would have a 100% chance of contracting. The way probabilities are calculate is as follows:

1 minus ("the chance of NOT being infected" raised to the power of "number of occurrences") [note: when I put in the mathematical notation the formatting got messed up, so I'm writing it all out instead]

So, the odds of getting infected based on the odds of 50/50 (1 in 2) , look like this (column 1 = occurrence, column 2 = probability)

1 50%

2 75%

3 88%

4 94%

5 97%

6 98%

Etc.

At 1/20, 000 (a number I have NO idea whether is accurate or not) , they look like this:

100 0. 5%

1000 5%

5000 22%

10000 39%

20000 63%

Etc.

BTW, this completely disregards certain important realities, like whether either person is infected with (or is in the process of being infected with) other STDs, which GREATLY increases the odds of contracting HIV in any single occurrence.

In any case, odds should not be what drives behavior here. It is possible to get infected on a single occurrence (the first one). Furthermore, behavior is what spreads this disease, not "odds."

All the best,

-B-

Good factual report.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba; 1191952][b]BANGKOK GOGOs VS PATTAYA GOGOs[/b]

(obviously a generalization, and I have never been to Patpong)

Pattaya gogos are in my opinion a lot better and more customer friendly, for a series of reasons:

- while in Pattaya the dancers move up and down the length of the stage, in Bangkok they mostly stand still, making it difficult to evaluate some of them from your own distant seat.

- while in Pattaya the prettiest dancers actually make some sexy dance / moves, in Bangkok the prettiest ones can't be bothered to move their hips.

- while in Pattaya girls do make an effort to look in your direction and smile or attract your attention, in Bangkok they mostly look at themselves in the mirror.

- finally, and this I believe is mostly due to the customers, in the Pattaya gogos there's a different energy, a sense of wild and free spirited fun which the Bangkok venues totally lack.[/QUOTE]Patpong gogos can be fun in a freakshow kind of way, as long as you really know what you want. Very pushy for drinks, lots of ladyboys.

Some Bangkok gogos do have good dancers part of the evening, e. G. Long Gun and Rawhide in Cowboy. The worst bars are the flashy ones like Tilac, Midnight, Deja Vu. There are cute girls, but the fun factor really isn't there. Maybe the drinks are expensive enough that they don't have to hustle. I have heard from guys who get lucky there, hit it off with a girl that suits them and meet her multiple times. But I usually curse myself if I let myself be suckered into buying a drink for a pretty girl who turns wooden as soon as she sits down.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1191730]When we arrived at destination he asked me the usual fee, spot on! I added a 50 Baht tip to prize his honesty: the meter really did not work![/QUOTE]Possibly it did, but he gets to keep the money (don't need to give the taxi company a cut).

Good report.

Not to be confused with the Lollipop gogo in Nana Entertainment Plaza, it is

Impossible to miss: as soon as U-turn into soi 10 from Sukhumvit you'll...[/QUOTE]Why?

PS.

Is there a specil place in the city centre where all the action takes place?

All bars and discos are closed.

One place is open. Can't describe the location (taxi drivers know it)

Name is Honey.

Behine a simple dooor there are 50+ women sitting in two rows.

Papason asked for 3500 agreed to 2500.

Was not able to find one that I liked so left.

Went to Nana hotel parking.

As always a lot of freelancers.

One approched me with a smile and decent english.

We had a noodle soup and headed to my hotel.

Shower and mish.

Overall . Nothing special.

Gave her 2000 and sent her out after a hour

[QUOTE=Zamziv; 1192561]All bars and discos are closed.

One place is open. Can't describe the location (taxi drivers know it)

Name is Honey.

Behine a simple dooor there are 50+ women sitting in two rows.

Papason asked for 3500 agreed to 2500.

Was not able to find one that I liked so left.

Went to Nana hotel parking.

As always a lot of freelancers.

One approched me with a smile and decent english.

We had a noodle soup and headed to my hotel.

Shower and mish.

Overall. Nothing special.

Gave her 2000 and sent her out after a hour[/QUOTE]Just for info, the going rate for those Nana girls is 1k. You paid double for "nothing special".

I was in the mood to go to some 'high-class place' and so hit Spasso a month or so back. Great looking girls who can speak English. Like some of the punters mentioned, they are not your 19-20 yr olds but girls in their late 20's and early 30's.

The place is known for their cocktails. Around 350bht but closer to 400 after taxes etc. Not much to write home about IMHO though.

Chatted with a girl who showed me eyes. She was a mother of two and wanted 6000 down to 5000 and finally 4, 500. We parted as friends.

Saw another lovely with a short skirt and top who I finally negotiated down to 4000. She then went to talk to someone about the deal and did not return for some time. That's when I chanced upon a tall, beautiful girl. I asked her if she wants to come for 4000. After consulting with her friend she agreed. Stupid taxi drivers wanted 70bht for a 50 bht ride but I gave in.

The girl is Amm, from Isaan. 175cm tall and spoke slightly accented English. Very pretty. No problem in the hotel. Just walked up.

After showering, I saw her beautiful body. Slim with flat stomach (no kids) and A / B breast. I like them like that.

Great round of sex. And great fun. Mutual oral, many positions etc etc.

At 4 she said she wanted to go but I asked her to stay till morning. Morning was DATY and she came but I had to rush for work. She wanted another 2000 for staying till morning which I gave since she was really nice and I would like to meet her again.

Pointers about Spassso.

-Reach after 11. Take your choice by 1230. They start disappearing after that. There were some girls who did not appear to be hookers but you would have to play your game well. I did not have the time or the inclination (or maybe even the looks)

No flames about high prices please. I read the BKK forum and know prices. I did not find anyone even considering anything below 4000. Where I come from USD 140 is pretty cheap.

Next day is another story. Thanks guys for updates on the forum.

McM

[QUOTE=Zamziv; 1192561]All bars and discos are closed.

One place is open. Can't describe the location (taxi drivers know it)

Name is Honey.

Behine a simple dooor there are 50+ women sitting in two rows.

Papason asked for 3500 agreed to 2500.

Was not able to find one that I liked so left.

Went to Nana hotel parking.

As always a lot of freelancers.

One approched me with a smile and decent english.

We had a noodle soup and headed to my hotel.

Shower and mish.

Overall. Nothing special.

Gave her 2000 and sent her out after a hour[/QUOTE]There are places open after 2 am, but Nana isn't, I think being in the central business district or whatever, they have to follow the rules. Soi Cowboy is sometimes open later, it depends on whether the Boys in Brown close it down. Regardless the street bars on Asoke (Soi 21) etc. Stay open late, and usually have a few girls available.

One place that is open until 6am (it has been for years, I haven't been recently though) is Climax in the Ambassador Hotel on Soi 9 or Soi 11, It was called something else before Climax (Possible the Spice Club?). It is a big club with a number of Pinoy bands. The girls from the Gogo's often head there after work. It's well worth a look.

Another place I noticed was open late recently is Bangkok Beat on Suk. Soi 7. 1 (same Soi as Eden Club). Formally known as Absolut Bar. This is open well after 2 am at least at the weekend, and is a great bar, with a real mixed crowd, including a good selection of girls you can take home. I like this place, and often take girls there for post-dinner and pre-sex drinks. The bands are good.

Just asks the bar girls where they go after work, that should get you some pointers.

J.

Both the clubs I mention must be "legally" open.

No flame, but a correction. 4000 plus another 2000 = 6000 baht, for all night USD 30 to 1 = 200 USD, which gets you nearly nothing in the States.

Enjoy the high end, LBM

Anyone that says "it was good because I would pay more/same in the US" is a total fool about Thailand mongering.


If you are paying 6000 B for LT in Bangkok, that is nuts.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1192694]Anyone that says "it was good because I would pay more / same in the US" is a total fool about Thailand mongering.

If you are paying 6000 B for LT in Bangkok, that is nuts.[/QUOTE]Please, no more talking about prices. Even in US you can get laid from $25 to $10, 000 and up. So it is up to the buyer. He is not buying a sewing machine. He is buying a service. If they are both happy who are we to question it.

And no crap about raising prices for others. ISG members are not the only ones going to LOS. Peace.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1192694]Anyone that says "it was good because I would pay more / same in the US" is a total fool about Thailand mongering.

If you are paying 6000 B for LT in Bangkok, that is nuts.[/QUOTE]Plus air ticket. I mean. Paying same as at home. Does it make sense?

I allow some extra money for the foreign comparing with home prices.

Sometime I do the same, a 200/300 baht will not be a killer for me, maybe I make somebody happier.

But paying the DOUBLE makes us look like idiots, nothing more.

I do not know whether this will raise the general price levels, maybe not, bust still it is a bad sign.

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1192700]Please, no more talking about prices. Even in US you can get laid from $25 to $10, 000 and up. So it is up to the buyer. He is not buying a sewing machine. He is buying a service. If they are both happy who are we to question it.

And no crap about raising prices for others. ISG members are not the only ones going to LOS. Peace.[/QUOTE]You are right, I am sick of reading about it also. I also agree about the non ISG dudes.

The fact is, he is on ISG. If he spent some time reading some posts, maybe some pricing education could help him save some money in the future.

Funny though. Seems like dudes are more interested in writing and ranting about saving 2 bucks on a Taxi than 100 on a girl.

It is his life / money. If he is happy, so be it.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1192704]The fact is, he is on ISG. If he spent some time reading some posts, maybe some pricing education could help him save some money in the future.[/QUOTE]That's the point.

Then each one his own

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1192639]who I finally negotiated down to 4000[/QUOTE]You sir, drive a hard bargain.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1192704]You are right, I am sick of reading about it also. I also agree about the non ISG dudes.

The fact is, he is on ISG. If he spent some time reading some posts, maybe some pricing education could help him save some money in the future.

Funny though. Seems like dudes are more interested in writing and ranting about saving 2 bucks on a Taxi than 100 on a girl.

It is his life / money. If he is happy, so be it.[/QUOTE]The guy is on ISG, and he made it very cleared that he was looking for the highend and went to Spasso. I myself haven't been there and cetainly haven't heard many reports regarding this place like others. He pointed out USD that he paid 140? I jokingly reply and corrected him that it is more like 200 USD. If we stick to that specific amount 200USD, you can't get much at home especially overnight! Sure you can get laid for $25. 00, not in the San Francisco, with any quality, most likely she has Hiv drug addict, no teeth, and if one looks at some sites like FrugalJohn. Com you will see some price structure and picture but there will be nothing on the site that gave him the experience he had from the girl from Spasso that he could get at home.

Lets put everything in perspective I wouldn't go to a place like Spasso and pay the price but he knew what he wanted and got what he wanted for the price he wanted to pay knowing it was more. He came away happy and plans to revisit again. Its not like he is going to the Biergarden and paying that price and driving the market up? Many might disagree and that's okay but his report certainly shouldn't threaten the price structure and if one reads his report then you can see he passed up others because the price being ask was to high even for Spasso?

LBM.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1192639]At 4 she said she wanted to go but I asked her to stay till morning. Morning was DATY and she came but I had to rush for work. She wanted another 2000 for staying till morning which I gave since she was really nice and I would like to meet her again.

McM[/QUOTE]. Not a flame. Pay what you like. But when I am giving the same girl 1, 000THB for longtime (I speak Thai and have lived in BKK for longtime w / company owned condo). I have to listen to a story about how I "know too much". How there are farangs paying 6, 000THB. I always thought the girls were full of shit. And were saying this just to play me for extra money. Now I know the truth. Thai girlz don't always lie!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1192694]Anyone that says "it was good because I would pay more / same in the US" is a total fool about Thailand mongering.

If you are paying 6000 B for LT in Bangkok, that is nuts.[/QUOTE]I'll pay 6000 for only 3 hours. Though that includes nonstop fucking, sucking, DFK, etc and everything not covered with a hottie. I'd pay much less with a rubber involved. I wouldn't want LT and would pay more if I had to just to get rid of her after I've had enough of intimate activities. Maybe some other guys could get the same for less than half of that. But, then, I'm not them and they're not me. I'm ceratinly no Brad Pitt or Don Juan with the girls, but I'm also far from being the most undesirable guy they've ever seen.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2;1192911]. Not a flame. Pay what you like. But when I am giving the same girl 1, 000THB for longtime (I speak Thai and have lived in BKK for longtime w / company owned condo). I have to listen to a story about how I "know too much". How there are farangs paying 6, 000THB. I always thought the girls were full of shit. And were saying this just to play me for extra money. Now I know the truth. Thai girlz don't always lie![/QUOTE]That's the great thing about not knowing Thai, especially with TGs who don't speak English, or next to none. I don't have to listen to stories! Or, at least, when they are telling one, I don't have a clue what they're saying. I'd pay a girl a few thousand baht just to keep silent, if I had to.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1192932]I'll pay 6000 for only 3 hours. Though that includes nonstop fucking, sucking, DFK, etc and everything not covered with a hottie. I'd pay much less with a rubber involved. I wouldn't want LT and would pay more if I had to just to get rid of her after I've had enough of intimate activities. Maybe some other guys could get the same for less than half of that. But, then, I'm not them and they're not me. I'm ceratinly no Brad Pitt or Don Juan with the girls, but I'm also far from being the most undesirable guy they've ever seen.[/QUOTE]For a model quality girl that performed like a Tulip or Mango Superstar, it would be worth the money.

GS

Thank you for all the opinions. Special thanks to LBM for standing up for me (somewhat.). BTW, I said 4000 min = USD140. Its different matter that I ended up paying 6000. 4000 is absolute minimum I heard from the ladies there, the ones I talked to atleast.

I have been to Bangkok many times and I know girls are available from 1000bht onwards, although some guys seriously disagree.

I have been to Soi Cowboy and picked up a 21/22 yr old spinner for 2000 overnight. No one can accuse me of inflating prices there.) Maybe I paid market prices though.

I wanted to try a different place like Spassos, CM2 which is not too much reviewed here. Other forums also mentioned 4000min at Spasso.

Why did I choose Spasso? I do have an expense account and can claim drinks for myself as well as the girls. I cannot give the company bills from Soi Cowboy or Nana for obvious reasons. I don't have to spend on lady-drinks, bar-fine etc. In Soi Cowboy, my expenses were around 3500-4000 including drinks for myself, the ladies, bar-fine etc.

Also, I do not pay for my air ticket to Bangkok. Its on company business.)

Lastly, there is no set standard for paying for the girls. Its upto each punter. But I do have a major problem with taxi drivers who behave rudely and ask for exhorbitant fares when you get into their taxis. If they ask for a tip politely after the journey, I have no problem giving it.

No offense taken, I have followed the Bangkok forum for long and it has helped me make my trips more fun. Although the Spasso adventure is the first I posted about. Thanks.

McM

I don't know where you guys monger in the US. I had a GFE session yesterday here in Socal for almost 3 hours for $200. I can get that all the time here if you know what sites to find them on.

I don't go to Thailand to pay those prices when I can get that service there for 1/3rd the cost.
I bet most guys feel the same.
But, to each their own. It is your money. Have a blast.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1193018]I don't know where you guys monger in the US. I had a GFE session yesterday here in Socal for almost 3 hours for $200.[/QUOTE]California is like a whole different country. Not even close to most of America.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1192988]Why did I choose Spasso? I do have an expense account and can claim drinks for myself as well as the girls. I cannot give the company bills from Soi Cowboy or Nana for obvious reasons. I don't have to spend on lady-drinks, bar-fine etc. In Soi Cowboy, my expenses were around 3500-4000 including drinks for myself, the ladies, bar-fine etc.

Also, I do not pay for my air ticket to Bangkok. Its on company business.)

Thanks.

McM[/QUOTE]This out things in another perspection!

I was not suggesting you raise the price levels but simply you were paying a lot (=out of your pocket) and that (similar, somehopw, of course) level of girls can be obtained for much less (I am not suggesting 1000 here.)

If you can get back the major part of the bill, then it is like buying a Mercedes at the price of a Golf: do it! .

But if you pay out of your pocket a Mercedes to drive 10km, then rent a Golf.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1193018]I don't know where you guys monger in the US. I had a GFE session yesterday here in Socal for almost 3 hours for $200. I can get that all the time here if you know what sites to find them on.

I don't go to Thailand to pay those prices when I can get that service there for 1/3rd the cost.

I bet most guys feel the same.

But, to each their own. It is your money. Have a blast.[/QUOTE]Luvpuss, in all respect I think you're need to be right have gotten you to loose perspective as to what the guy wrote?

I'm sure you can in SoCal but here in NoCal one can but I'm sure if they look hard enough and long enough? They say anything is possible right?

As you noted yourself " if you know what site " and when you look at those sites you have a particular price and look for those sites and if you were looking at the high end you would find high end prices right? I understand fully that you don't go to Thailand to pay those prices but this endless conversation whether we like it or not always comes up and the price police can attest to the many conversations in the past and will be again in the future. But reality is that many do and many will pay what they want haven't we heard that before? But again in your own words " almost three hours " I believe he got more than that?

His post clearly stated where he was going and what he wanted " Highend " is that too much to accept. The drink prices had my mouth drop too but he went in with a intend not to pay a particular price at this specific location. He wasn't standing outside Nana parking lot intend on paying that price. He had many opportunities but the price was too high and he settle on what he felt was reasonable for this place. I live by the motto, best bang for your buck and if I had the means this place and price would be relative to the situation. Is that too hard to understand? If he had wrote that he paid that amount for a FL on Sukhumvit I wouldn't be siding with him and agreeing with you?

Now if you think you can visit Spasso the next time you are in town and want to apply the same price structure you normally pay please do and let us know how it goes? If you can get a lady to stay for more than 3 hours at this place for your price structure please let me know so I can visit myself and then retract what I have written and throw in that he is a fool for good measure.

LBM

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1193031]This out things in another perspection!

I was not suggesting you raise the price levels but simply you were paying a lot (=out of your pocket) and that (similar, somehopw, of course) level of girls can be obtained for much less (I am not suggesting 1000 here.)

If you can get back the major part of the bill, then it is like buying a Mercedes at the price of a Golf: do it! .

But if you pay out of your pocket a Mercedes to drive 10km, then rent a Golf.[/QUOTE]He must work for the government? As long as its not your money who the f-ks care?

LBM

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1193031]This out things in another perspection!

I was not suggesting you raise the price levels but simply you were paying a lot (=out of your pocket) and that (similar, somehopw, of course) level of girls can be obtained for much less (I am not suggesting 1000 here.)

If you can get back the major part of the bill, then it is like buying a Mercedes at the price of a Golf: do it! .

But if you pay out of your pocket a Mercedes to drive 10km, then rent a Golf.[/QUOTE]For another perspective, I travel a lot on business but it is my own business and all expenses come out of my pocket. I do not get a free ride from anyone.

While I do watch my expenses and do not waste money, I also travel at a business class level. I pay a bit more for an upgraded seat on the airplane. If there is a club floor at my hotel, I book it. And I rarely stay anywhere without a club floor.

When it comes to mongering, I am in it for the variety of experiences. I have had a 200bht for a full afternoon GFE romp in Chinatown in BKK. I have spent well over $5000 US for a couple hours at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada with one of the stars of their TV series.

I will pay a price that is appropriate to the occasion. I rarely argue about price. If it is unreasonable, I just pass. She probably would not be worth it anyway. But if it is within the range I am willing to pay for the experience offered, then I go for it. And if she really makes me happy, I tip well.

For the most part, I am paying right at the going rate for the given venue. I am experienced enough and know what I am doing and don't tolerate obvious rip offs and scammers. But sometimes you just see something that makes you say,"Damn, I'd give anything for some of that" and you pay it. That is what making money is all about. Using it to enjoy life.

Pogo

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba; 1191952][b]HANA / RIN[/b]

Rin has many fans in this forum, and since I never had a balls massage before, I felt I should try her services.

Hana Massage is located in a side alley along soi 22, about a 5/6 minute walk from Sukhumvit on the left side, almost opposite the Mercure hotel.

Even by the often low Bangkok standards, this parlor may induce you to do a quick about face:

- as you can see in my pic below, the alley is very nondescript and poor looking.

- as I approached the shop a mangy dog, who Rin was tending to, started barking at me.

- Rin as reported is not young, difficult to tell, could be 40 to 60 years old.

- I wasn't offered a drink or anything.

- the room where the massage took place was extremely small and cramped.

But then Rin starts, and by the time she's finished your legs have turned into jelly, for just 1. 000 baht all inclusive. It may not be something I'the want to do regularly, but this was definitely a hand-job from heaven.

Funny bit: upon asking, Rin explained that it was an old white guy who taught her![/QUOTE]Rin 40 to 60? I would say at least 50 by now. I haven't seen her in about 4 years and haven't seen her mentioned here in quite a while. You should have fucked her. She has some good pussy!

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1192988]Thank you for all the opinions. Special thanks to LBM for standing up for me (somewhat.). BTW, I said 4000 min = USD140. Its different matter that I ended up paying 6000. 4000 is absolute minimum I heard from the ladies there, the ones I talked to atleast.

I have been to Bangkok many times and I know girls are available from 1000bht onwards, although some guys seriously disagree.

I have been to Soi Cowboy and picked up a 21/22 yr old spinner for 2000 overnight. No one can accuse me of inflating prices there.) Maybe I paid market prices though.

I wanted to try a different place like Spassos, CM2 which is not too much reviewed here. Other forums also mentioned 4000min at Spasso.

Why did I choose Spasso? I do have an expense account and can claim drinks for myself as well as the girls. I cannot give the company bills from Soi Cowboy or Nana for obvious reasons. I don't have to spend on lady-drinks, bar-fine etc. In Soi Cowboy, my expenses were around 3500-4000 including drinks for myself, the ladies, bar-fine etc.

Also, I do not pay for my air ticket to Bangkok. Its on company business.)

Lastly, there is no set standard for paying for the girls. Its upto each punter. But I do have a major problem with taxi drivers who behave rudely and ask for exhorbitant fares when you get into their taxis. If they ask for a tip politely after the journey, I have no problem giving it.

No offense taken, I have followed the Bangkok forum for long and it has helped me make my trips more fun. Although the Spasso adventure is the first I posted about. Thanks.

McM[/QUOTE]4000 baht isn't a minimum when rent is due and there aren't enough punters around willing to pay those prices. Once people get that into their heads things change real fast.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2;1192911]. Not a flame. Pay what you like. But when I am giving the same girl 1, 000THB for longtime (I speak Thai and have lived in BKK for longtime w / company owned condo). I have to listen to a story about how I "know too much". How there are farangs paying 6, 000THB. I always thought the girls were full of shit. And were saying this just to play me for extra money. Now I know the truth. Thai girlz don't always lie![/QUOTE]Lover Boy has it spot on, I live here and speak Thai too, and have heard this from the girls over and over. And I've even had the girl call herself foolish for going with me when I pay only 1000 and she is a hottie normally getting 2-3000. And then she jumps back into bed or gives me her number and asks when she can see me again. There are no tricks involved. You just start to realize that there are so many hot and fantastic providers here that you don't have to pay inflated figures to, and if they are the ones asking for it, you just walk away and find another. Then again, some people think that by spending $100 for a meal, that the restaurant must automatically be good.

I'm new to Bangkok (and actually new to Asia) and will be visiting in about a week. Lots of helpful info in this forum, so thank you.

I'd like to ask if anyone can recommend a good private guide that I could hire to help show me the Bangkok Nightlife. I'm ideally looking for a local who knows his way around, can help me waste time, and can help avoid getting ripped off by taxis, bars, girls, etc.

Has anyone used such a guide? Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1193041]Luvpuss, in all respect I think you're need to be right have gotten you to loose perspective as to what the guy wrote?

I'm sure you can in SoCal but here in NoCal one can but I'm sure if they look hard enough and long enough? They say anything is possible right?

As you noted yourself " if you know what site " and when you look at those sites you have a particular price and look for those sites and if you were looking at the high end you would find high end prices right? I understand fully that you don't go to Thailand to pay those prices but this endless conversation whether we like it or not always comes up and the price police can attest to the many conversations in the past and will be again in the future. But reality is that many do and many will pay what they want haven't we heard that before? But again in your own words " almost three hours " I believe he got more than that?

His post clearly stated where he was going and what he wanted " Highend " is that too much to accept. The drink prices had my mouth drop too but he went in with a intend not to pay a particular price at this specific location. He wasn't standing outside Nana parking lot intend on paying that price. He had many opportunities but the price was too high and he settle on what he felt was reasonable for this place. I live by the motto, best bang for your buck and if I had the means this place and price would be relative to the situation. Is that too hard to understand? If he had wrote that he paid that amount for a FL on Sukhumvit I wouldn't be siding with him and agreeing with you?

Now if you think you can visit Spasso the next time you are in town and want to apply the same price structure you normally pay please do and let us know how it goes? If you can get a lady to stay for more than 3 hours at this place for your price structure please let me know so I can visit myself and then retract what I have written and throw in that he is a fool for good measure.

LBM[/QUOTE]I never go to places like Spasso or even gogo's because I know there is the same out there for much less. I would bet that if he wanders about for a week of so and negotiates some 2k LT's, he will look back on the Spasso experience as one he would not repeat.

Need to be right? I know I am right in that there are 1000's of girls in BKK that will give you GFE LT for 1/3 of what he paid.

Does this make sense? : Let's say you went into a steak house and paid $60 for a prime steak. The next day you walked around the corner and got the exact same steak for $20. It would be pretty foolish to go back to that $60 place, right. Most normal dudes would probably say "I wish I would have found this place yesterday".

It appears to me that you may have lost perspective as you are patting the guy on the back for paying triple what he needs too for the same service.

I avoid pretty much avoid all places except go go bars for this reason. There a been a few times where I have paid a girl, and ended up not touching her. Same thing at the massage places, a few girls have really hot bodies. But most of them look ok, in a push up bra and mini skirt.

There are woman at the high end night clubs quoting these steep prices, that could not be on a stage somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1193125]I never go to places like Spasso or even gogo's because I know there is the same out there for much less. I would bet that if he wanders about for a week of so and negotiates some 2k LT's, he will look back on the Spasso experience as one he would not repeat.

Need to be right? I know I am right in that there are 1000's of girls in BKK that will give you GFE LT for 1/3 of what he paid.

Does this make sense? : Let's say you went into a steak house and paid $60 for a prime steak. The next day you walked around the corner and got the exact same steak for $20. It would be pretty foolish to go back to that $60 place, right. Most normal dudes would probably say "I wish I would have found this place yesterday".

It appears to me that you may have lost perspective as you are patting the guy on the back for paying triple what he needs too for the same service.[/QUOTE]Don't say that. There are so many guys around defining their fun by the amount of money they throw around. So Spasso is the place for them that protects the other places for the rest of us. The real bargains need to be protected for those who can appreciate them.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1193018]I don't know where you guys monger in the US. I had a GFE session yesterday here in Socal for almost 3 hours for $200. I can get that all the time here if you know what sites to find them on.

I don't go to Thailand to pay those prices when I can get that service there for 1/3rd the cost.

I bet most guys feel the same.

But, to each their own. It is your money. Have a blast.[/QUOTE]I've never mongered in the USA but in Canada I can get a P4P SW lady for $10 {300 baht}. She'd be a drug addict, ugly, and probably have HIV and / or another STD. This would be in a relatively dangerous neighborhood compared to what I experience in Thailand.

In Canada it would be tough, if not impossible, to get 3 quality hours for $200 to $300 from a hot classy SP. That would be a common price for one hour.

In Thailand I figure that I'm paying at most 33% of what I'd pay in my home country for the same kind of girl. So if I stay long enough and take TGs often enough, the savings I get from pooning here in BKK more than covers the extra costs of airfare and hotel that I wouldn't pay if I stayed at home. The inconvenience of all that's involved in travelling is countered by the ease of picking up girls in Siam compared to the other side of the ocean. Moreover I think the kind of female I can get in LOS is more to my taste in looks, attitudes, and service.

So, not surprisingly, when I'm not in the Kingdom, I mostly take care of my own sexual needs, alone, and save up for my next trip across the Pacific to the City of Angels. That is where I see the value in shopping when it comes to the services girls can provide. Sometimes I wonder if spending it elsewhere is like flushing my money down the toilet.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1193152]Don't say that. There are so many guys around defining their fun by the amount of money they throw around. So Spasso is the place for them that protects the other places for the rest of us. The real bargains need to be protected for those who can appreciate them.[/QUOTE]Good point.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1193125]I never go to places like Spasso or even gogo's because I know there is the same out there for much less. I would bet that if he wanders about for a week of so and negotiates some 2k LT's, he will look back on the Spasso experience as one he would not repeat.

Need to be right? I know I am right in that there are 1000's of girls in BKK that will give you GFE LT for 1/3 of what he paid.

Does this make sense? : Let's say you went into a steak house and paid $60 for a prime steak. The next day you walked around the corner and got the exact same steak for $20. It would be pretty foolish to go back to that $60 place, right. Most normal dudes would probably say "I wish I would have found this place yesterday".

It appears to me that you may have lost perspective as you are patting the guy on the back for paying triple what he needs too for the same service.[/QUOTE]I think your analogy doesn't work and here's why – I live in a city where I can get excellent food- especially steaks. I only buy aged prime which is expensive but readily available and because it is always exactly the same, consistently excellent! That's what I want in asteak – the same every time. Women though should not be all the same all the time. That undesireable trait in a steak is exactly what I'm looking for in a Thai lady. Something new! Its easy to find the same slam bang little monkey with no emotions no English, etc. And that's fine ocassionally (and better in bunches) but variety is why we're all here. We could all be married (most anyway) banging the same cooch over and over but that would be hell. Maybe he finds some qualities in the women he meets in Spassos that he does not see on the street in Nana (go figure) and maybe any number of things but in the end its his time and his money. A lot of us have made our money already so to suggest that he will regret it the next night I believe is not accurate. I AM CERTAIN he's never looking back at that C-Note...

Luvpuss,

Not padding his back, I / We all understand you can find steak at other location but the question was and still is, since you never and I have never been to Spasso if you ever went to a place like this can you use your standand to obtain a lady for the night not 3 hours? Not padding his back again, as far as he was concern he was looking for a high end piece of meat and he went to Ruth Chris (Spasso) not around the corner to Sleazlers.

LBM

Might be a stupid question, but whats the difference between Oil and Lotion Massage? Which is better? .

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1193216]Not padding his back, I / We all understand you can find steak at other location but the question was and still is, since you never and I have never been to Spasso if you ever went to a place like this can you use your standand to obtain a lady for the night not 3 hours? Not padding his back again, as far as he was concern he was looking for a high end piece of meat and he went to Ruth Chris (Spasso) not around the corner to Sleazlers.[/QUOTE]LOL. Sleazlers? I thought it was Sizzler?

[QUOTE=Oldian;1193088]4000 baht isn't a minimum when rent is due and there aren't enough punters around willing to pay those prices. Once people get that into their heads things change real fast.[/QUOTE]The end of the month is GREAT! Rent due on the 4th for most gals. Late on the 5th. This weekend. WOO HOO!

GS

[QUOTE=DesiDownUnder;1193241]Might be a stupid question, but whats the difference between Oil and Lotion Massage? Which is better? .[/QUOTE]Try each one and you will have your answer!

Oil feels better to me, but, being a hairy monkey, it is harder to remove. I generally ask to have my back washed in the shower by the masseuse.

Lotion washes straight off, has vitamin e and smells good, but dries out quite quickly and doesn't have the smooth feel of oil.

If we are talking about a rub and tug joint, take your own massage jel designed for sex play. A ball massage with that is quite amazing if done by a pro.

Tuck

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1193215]I think your analogy doesn't work and here's why – I live in a city where I can get excellent food- especially steaks. I only buy aged prime which is expensive but readily available and because it is always exactly the same, consistently excellent! That's what I want in asteak – the same every time. Women though should not be all the same all the time. That undesireable trait in a steak is exactly what I'm looking for in a Thai lady. Something new! Its easy to find the same slam bang little monkey with no emotions no English, etc. And that's fine ocassionally (and better in bunches) but variety is why we're all here. We could all be married (most anyway) banging the same cooch over and over but that would be hell. Maybe he finds some qualities in the women he meets in Spassos that he does not see on the street in Nana (go figure) and maybe any number of things but in the end its his time and his money. A lot of us have made our money already so to suggest that he will regret it the next night I believe is not accurate. I AM CERTAIN he's never looking back at that C-Note.[/QUOTE]I'd agree that if the guy had a great night he won't ever regret it, but the analogy still holds some water. In Bangkok, try hunting down Uncle John's. It's a hole in the wall run by the former chef at the Sukhothai. The food is 100% 5 star, and the prices are 100% 3 star. While I agree 100% on variety with the girls, I really don't think that one is guaranteed better quality at Spassos. Women with kids asking 4000? Most Thai guys would laugh their asses off. As one Thai guy once told me,"we'd never pay to screw a woman with a kid, we pay for a really hot young lady with a fantastic body." (not that there don't exist those who have kids and still look gorgeous). How many long term expats end up pulling regularly from Soi 33? I would reckon well under 5. The reason being that they presumably know that most of the girls working there are not well educated white skinned northern or Bangkok girls that they are paying top dollar for. No, the majority are the same girls you find in Nana and Cowboy wearing fancy cocktail dresses. You want the cocktail dress, buy it yourself and get the girl to wear it in the room.

This whole thread reminds me of going into a disco one night with a very handsome friend of mine, and having two girls come running over and more or less throw themselves at us. However, the minute I started speaking Thai, my gal looked at me with this horrified look. We pretty quickly cut out the BS and she told me that she normally pulled guys for 4-5000 baht. I told her that I normally pulled girls for 1000 baht. She told me that was because I lived here. And she gave me this vicious smile and said,"and most guys don't even know I've had a kid!" Everyone is free to blow their hard earned cash any way they want to, but for those who live here, it is extremely annoying listening to girls (whose services in most cases never live up to those who aren't complaining) complain about how they should be getting 2-3000 baht because that is what Joe Shmoe paid her and she now expects 2-3000 baht every time.

[QUOTE=MChalmers100;1193103]Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]You are certainly doing the right thing by reading the forum.

If you found a Thai nightlife guide who was actually in that business, IMO, your chances of being ripped off would become highly likely.

Post again in the Travel Plans and Announcements thread and maybe you could get an ISG wingman.

Also if you stayed at Livingstones Lodge, Giotto might give some good tips. I have not done that but read a great report when he took several ISG guys out on the town.

Don't forget to write your reports.

C4T

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1193216]Luvpuss,

Not padding his back, I / We all understand you can find steak at other location but the question was and still is, since you never and I have never been to Spasso if you ever went to a place like this can you use your standand to obtain a lady for the night not 3 hours? Not padding his back again, as far as he was concern he was looking for a high end piece of meat and he went to Ruth Chris (Spasso) not around the corner to Sleazlers.

LBM[/QUOTE]Keeping the steak example, I have to say that in a recent trip to the States with friends we went to a few steak houses, different qualities, still all in the medium-high end.

I knew Ruth Chris before and I knew that by taking the friends there I would score their appreciation. Exactly: we had great steaks, at a lower price than Ruth' but, not comparable to Ruth.

One than has to decide whether he handle the alternative to Ruth, but it is his own choice. There are, stll more expensive options than Ruth, I have been there and one could spot the difference there too.

Even we talk about a juicy piece of meat in all the places.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1193413]Keeping the steak example, I have to say that in a recent trip to the States with friends we went to a few steak houses, different qualities, still all in the medium-high end.

I knew Ruth Chris before and I knew that by taking the friends there I would score their appreciation. Exactly: we had great steaks, at a lower price than Ruth' but, not comparable to Ruth.

One than has to decide whether he handle the alternative to Ruth, but it is his own choice. There are, stll more expensive options than Ruth, I have been there and one could spot the difference there too.

Even we talk about a juicy piece of meat in all the places.[/QUOTE]Have you tried Morton's? They actually bring the pre cooked meat to your table and you choose what you want. A step better than Ruth C. From my experience.

[QUOTE=DesiDownUnder;1193241]Might be a stupid question, but whats the difference between Oil and Lotion Massage? Which is better? .[/QUOTE]Wack off with some oil, then try some lotion. Make a decision from there.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1193419]Have you tried Morton's? They actually bring the pre cooked meat to your table and you choose what you want. A step better than Ruth C. From my experience.[/QUOTE]Can't remember, but, yes, have been to some steak houses where they bring the meat to chose from and entertain you in the story of the meat (seasoned, marinated etc) and at what tempearture they will cook (grill) your meat.

Still talking about juicy meat (with no real offence) , some pimps do the same. But usually the meat his less juicy when they pump it up too much

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1193419]Have you tried Morton's? They actually bring the pre cooked meat to your table and you choose what you want. A step better than Ruth C. From my experience.[/QUOTE]Thats new to me. You sure about that?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1193431]Thats new to me. You sure about that?[/QUOTE]Morton's Steak House. I just went to the one in Palm Springs 2 weeks ago. They rolled out a raw meat cart so you could make your choice.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1193472]Morton's Steak House. I just went to the one in Palm Springs 2 weeks ago. They rolled out a raw meat cart so you could make your choice.[/QUOTE]Sure raw, but you said "precooked".

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1193486]Sure raw, but you said "precooked".[/QUOTE]Sorry, misspoke.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba; 1191952]My third time in Thailand, and also my third in Bangkok.

Ryo[/QUOTE]Great report!

Thank you.

[QUOTE=MChalmers100; 1193103]I'm new to Bangkok (and actually new to Asia) and will be visiting in about a week. Lots of helpful info in this forum, so thank you.

I'd like to ask if anyone can recommend a good private guide that I could hire to help show me the Bangkok Nightlife. I'm ideally looking for a local who knows his way around, can help me waste time, and can help avoid getting ripped off by taxis, bars, girls, etc.

Has anyone used such a guide? Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you are an Ok guy and can hold off for a few weeks, I'll be home beginning of October. Won't be leaving again until Christmas.

Otherwise. DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH THAI GUIDES. Hopefully someone here will volunteer to help you.

If you can find a smart ex-pat, you might get to some locations the rest of the crowd never sees.

[QUOTE=Oldian;1193369]This whole thread reminds me of going into a disco one night with a very handsome friend of mine, and having two girls come running over and more or less throw themselves at us. However, the minute I started speaking Thai, my gal looked at me with this horrified look. We pretty quickly cut out the BS and she told me that she normally pulled guys for 4-5000 baht. I told her that I normally pulled girls for 1000 baht. She told me that was because I lived here. And she gave me this vicious smile and said,"and most guys don't even know I've had a kid!" Everyone is free to blow their hard earned cash any way they want to, but for those who live here, it is extremely annoying listening to girls (whose services in most cases never live up to those who aren't complaining) complain about how they should be getting 2-3000 baht because that is what Joe Shmoe paid her and she now expects 2-3000 baht every time.[/QUOTE]Mutual Admiration Society*

I have had the exact thing happen. Jaws drop. Oh you are not a farang that can be ripped off. Ok, let's talk real business and real price. If you only have a good understanding of Thai, some girls start to pout, because not even the reason for an incoming phone call is going to work. When it is really the thai bf or her friend telling her to come to a party. No one has died, no water buff. Is sick, no mother has fallen on motorsai. There is peace in the universe.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1193235]7 years going to Bangkok. There are very few with great attitude and good looks-at any price! Why do so many of you get away with 500-1000 short time?[/QUOTE]Good question.

When you live someplace, you are not in a hurry as someone on holiday might be. If I can't find anything that I know is going to be good, I do not partake. Go home and wait for another day. A guy on two week holiday starts to panic when things do not look right and can make some bad decisions.

Also, I do not take girls off the street for 500-700 THB expecting that this is going to be some beauty contest winner and that I am going to get some luv. That is not happening. I do not hang out in nana car parks for the same reasons, no great attitude and looks at any price.

It just seems that when you are an in shape guy with some decent clothes and a very nice apartment and car, there are so many more opportunities. You even develop Thai male contacts who can every once in a while come up with interesting exploits. Thai men are not paying the high numbers unless they are trying to impress on business issues, possibly a Japanese or Korean businessman. Thai guys are very frugal and have a decent catalog of venues farangs do not venture to.

For the most part, tourists are not getting the good price and good looks. You have to pay for it at or near asking price when you have that look of panic / fear / lack of pussy / love / whatever on your face.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2; 1193639]Good question.

When you live someplace, you are not in a hurry as someone on holiday might be. If I can't find anything that I know is going to be good, I do not partake. Go home and wait for another day. A guy on two week holiday starts to panic when things do not look right and can make some bad decisions.

Also, I do not take girls off the street for 500-700 THB expecting that this is going to be some beauty contest winner and that I am going to get some luv. That is not happening. I do not hang out in nana car parks for the same reasons, no great attitude and looks at any price.

It just seems that when you are an in shape guy with some decent clothes and a very nice apartment and car, there are so many more opportunities. You even develop Thai male contacts who can every once in a while come up with interesting exploits. Thai men are not paying the high numbers unless they are trying to impress on business issues, possibly a Japanese or Korean businessman. Thai guys are very frugal and have a decent catalog of venues farangs do not venture to.

For the most part, tourists are not getting the good price and good looks. You have to pay for it at or near asking price when you have that look of panic / fear / lack of pussy / love / whatever on your face.[/QUOTE]It seems to me you are making some statements about holidayers & those living in LOS that are not necessarily the case, even if they may usually be true.

Sorry, I had to laugh at the Nana Car Park comment, but this might make for an interesting discussion. You could consider me as somewhat of a NCP connoisseur, since I seldom take ladies from anywhere else, in some 2 years living in BKK since 2007, and when I do it's usually around the corner SWs close to sukh soi 5.

Re the looks of quite a number of ladies I've taken from there, I'd stack them up against any found anywhere in the world, or, for that matter, in the many oceans of internet porn, of which I am very familiar. This is especially the case IME being in BKK in the past 5 months. BTW I think everyone who's been here on ISG a while might know that these girls typicly go for 1000B ST {about 30 dollars US}.

As for attitude, if you are referring to the TGs at the NCP, I'm not sure how you would know if, in your own words, you do "not hang out there". IMO the attitude depends on the particular lady, may and often does vary alot from one to another, and even with the same individual YMMV, in fact it will vary, from time to time. Again, though, IME on this present trip, the attitudes and service is definitely as good or better than ever since I began coming to Siam.

Why is this scene apparently better now than ever since 2007 yet at the same price? Some possible factors are the downturn of the world economy, the loss of customers in LOS due to various political issues since 2006 {including a coup, airport closures, siege of BKK, etc} and fewer Japanese visitors due to their own tragedy, etc. Furthermore it should be noted that this is the first time I was in the capitol from late March to mid September, whereas I usually visit from August to February. IOW this trip is more of a low season trip.

Hello Bangkok forum,

I haven't been back to BKK for 5 years, but the last time I was there I visited a place called Club Eden, on Sukuhmvit Soi 7 (1/2). It was a bit run-down and the girls were well seasoned, so I wonder if it has survived. I'll be visiting in a few weeks and I'd like to go back, but I wonder if anyone can update me on this place. Like I said, the girls were no spring lillies, but the 3P, toys, optional anal, on-site room, were all to my liking. If not Club Eden, a recommended alternative?

[QUOTE=MChalmers100;1193103]I'd like to ask if anyone can recommend a good private guide that I could hire to help show me the Bangkok Nightlife. I'm ideally looking for a local who knows his way around, can help me waste time, and can help avoid getting ripped off by taxis, bars, girls, etc.[/QUOTE]Suggestion: Stay at Livingstone Lodge on Suk Soi 33 and ask to talk to the boss. He can tell you everything you want to know about what to do, where to go, prices, etc. He's known as Giotto on this board, but don't use that name at his Lodge or he'll get in trouble with his wife.

I also recommend that you review Giotto's own forum on this ISG board.

Good luck and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1193235]7 years going to Bangkok. There are very few with great attitude and good looks-at any price! Why do so many of you get away with 500-1000 short time?[/QUOTE]Instead of the gogos I'd suggest you try the Nana Car Park next time. 1000 ST is the usual asking price, and that's even without any bargaining by the customer. The other day, BTW, a girl there volunteered to give me 2 or 3 hours for a ST. She was just average in looks IMO but she gave me 3 hours just as she promised and, I might add, with no attitude plus excellent service.

Re your remark about attitude and looks, I think these are very subjective topics. Though it sounds like your standard for "good looks" is quite high when you say there are few like that here. Or perhaps Asians are just not your thing. Certainly there are relatively few stunners who are 9 or 10's on a scale of 1 to 10. But if your name is not Brad Pitt or you don't have something else very special going for you beyond 99% of punters in LOS, can one really expect to get such a lady at 500 Baht for even below average service? No.

[QUOTE=Wasabijoe; 1193657]Hello, Bangkok forum,

I haven't been back to BKK for 5 years, but the last time I was there I visited a place called Club Eden, on Sukuhmvit Soi 7 (1/2). It was a bit run-down and the girls were well seasoned, so I wonder if it has survived. I'll be visiting in a few weeks and I'd like to go back, but I wonder if anyone can update me on this place. Like I said, the girls were no spring lillies, but the 3P, toys, optional anal, on-site room, were all to my liking. If not Club Eden, a recommended alternative?[/QUOTE]Not much has changed since 5 years ago, the place is the same as you described it. Take a look at the PG and you will see some of the 'no spring lillies' type ladies or similar type ladies posted there.

[QUOTE=MChalmers100;1193103]I'd like to ask if anyone can recommend a good private guide that I could hire to help show me the Bangkok Nightlife. I'm ideally looking for a local who knows his way around, can help me waste time, and can help avoid getting ripped off by taxis, bars, girls, etc.[/QUOTE]Contrary to popular myth, the Thai are not all out there to scam and rip you off. The biggest scam they operate is probably the "helpful guide" trick, outside of museums or temples. Invariably someone will come up to you and inform you the temple, museum. Is closed or will soon be closing, but he has another great suggestion for you. This most of the time involves a cheap tuk-tuk drive to some far off touristy place and a "short" visit to a jewelry shop, suit maker, who as it happens, this day is working on a "special government subsidized tourist discount scheme". You will see all the jewelry shops and suit makers of BKK and pay discount prices that are at least triple the normal prices.

You will see the same in Patpong: touts try to guide you to sleazy upstairs "a-gogo-bars" for a sexy show. They forget to tell you the girls are fugly and the prices even more so.

In general distrust any Thai coming to you with a "great deal" (taxis, girls, gems.). Thai are really shy people and will not even think of disturbing your peace and if they do they will have some ulterior motive.

Even in beer bars or a-gogo bars, the girls will usually ask you if they can sit with you and whether you will buy them a lady-drink. A simple "no" and a warm smile is all it takes to have them leave you in peace.

Also note that the Thai and farang mongering scenes do not really overlap. You see next to no Thai men in "our" beer-bars and a-gogos. The Asian men you see there are probably Koreans or Japanese and they are as clueless as we, if not more. So bringing a local Thai guide to these places is not going to help much.

Take the prices quoted on the board here as a general guide-line and don't think you have been scammed if you notice someone else got a stunner on a LT date for 500 baht less than you. Even the best of negotiators will only be able to make a difference of perhaps 50 USD. Set yourself a budget and be happy if you find someone matching it. Driving the price down into the bargain basement is likely to spoil some of the fun afterwards. Generosity "nam jai" (literally: "juice of the heart") of the richer to the poorer is considered a major Thai concept and will grant you much esteem. One way or another you will get it back through their system of "Sam-neuk-boon-koon" ("repaying debts"). If you visit the same places a few times and you are known as someone with "nam jai", you will get better deals easily, but Cheap Charleys will end up with the crumbs of the rich table. Don't spoil it for yourself for a lousy few score of dollars.

Hi guys.

After a long period of 5 years I will return to BKK in November for a two week vacation. I am specially interested in big breast ladies. C cup +. Any recommendations on the current supply?

PP2

[QUOTE=Peter Pan #2; 1193696]Hi guys.

After a long period of 5 years I will return to BKK in November for a two week vacation. I am specially interested in big breast ladies. C cup +. Any recommendations on the current supply?

PP2[/QUOTE]You should get together with your alter ego, D-Cups, for the time of your lives, mindlessly looking for big cows.

In my own experience, however, big titted women don't seem to hang out together on one place; you're liable to see one or two of them in just about any bar or go-go you visit. I've not heard of a big breast bar anywhere in Thailand but I may be wrong.

D-Cups has asked your question at least a hundred times and still it seems he's not satisfied with the obvioius answers.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1193661]Suggestion: Stay at Livingstone Lodge on Suk Soi 33 and ask to talk to the boss. He can tell you everything you want to know about what to do, where to go, prices, etc. He's known as Giotto on this board, but don't use that name at his Lodge or he'll get in trouble with his wife.

I also recommend that you review Giotto's own forum on this ISG board.

Good luck and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Fully agreeing on the suggestion. He certainly knows a lot.

I don't call him Giotto there, but I don't see the reason why his wife would object.

There is his own forum on ISG, his contributions include the lodge URL, there is only one official male owner at the Lodge. So it is clera who is who. ISG members do get some special deals in there, so ISG is not a mistery over there.

LL is a great location, fully respectable and veerery GF friendly.

There is no walk of shame there as all know there is no shame in heading back to your room with a girl or two (or more!).

LL has its own Sports Bar fully furnished. Another plus for the newcomers as they can break the ice with the mongering scene with no risk of being ripped off. Bar fine is slightly on the expensive side but ad a whole you get a good time, a good and attentive treat, no rush from the girls to be taken: they are happy to entertain you sitting and chatting with you while you drink. Be smartly generous, offer them a LD, extend it to her friend ANC maybe the waiter / tress and you will win their heart.

Not as a stupid overspending farang but ad a truly handsome man.

Those few bucks extra will get you sincere appreciation.

Coming back to topic, what I do is not to mention ISG or "Giotto" with the girls, maybe makes sense, maybe not. Whatever, doesn't change my life to do so, either way.

If, then, Giotto gas to stay.

Go to Annie's Soap Massage and you will even see signs encouraging to report on a couple of mongering forums.

[QUOTE=MChalmers100; 1193103]I'm new to Bangkok (and actually new to Asia) and will be visiting in about a week. Lots of helpful info in this forum, so thank you.

I'd like to ask if anyone can recommend a good private guide that I could hire to help show me the Bangkok Nightlife. I'm ideally looking for a local who knows his way around, can help me waste time, and can help avoid getting ripped off by taxis, bars, girls, etc.

Has anyone used such a guide? Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am by no means a Bangkok expert, but this is what I have learned:

1. Get a regular metered taxi and chances are very slim you will be ripped off. I have never encountered any attempt at severe rip-offs, the only time that came close was the taxi driver taking me to the airport from my hotel, who suggested a flat fare of 600 THB instead of the metered fare. You should always politely ask for the meter. Taxi fares are very reasonable anyway.

2. Staying at Livingstones Lodge is the *perfect* introduction to the BKK scene. As mentioned elsewhere. It is a nice and clean boutique hotel, and a huge plus is the fact that they have their own Sports Bar. You will not get ripped off. Play some pool with the ladies, buy them a drink or two, just relax. Very low pressure atmosphere. In fact, I was a terrible pool player when I first came to BKK, but the girls in LL improved my game tremendously. Yes, the barfine at LL might be a few hundred Baht more than some other places, but we're talking about a difference of 5 dollars here. Which in my mind is a small price to pay for peace of mind.

3. Finding a guide? Well, I actually think that the girls from LL can be pretty good guides! We have gone to discos (had a terrific time with my LL girl at both CM2 and Spasso) , eaten fantastic and inexpensive food at great Thai restaurants which I never would have found alone, and gone to other bars for more pool playing. And of course, all followed by her spending the night, and then breakfast by the LL pool in the morning.

4. If you want so sample some of the massage parlors and soapies then I would almost guarantee you will not be ripped off at any of the places discussed regularly on this forum. I like Annies although it is a little bit run down.

Depending on how much time you plan to spend in BKK, I would recommend booking the first 3-4 nights at Livingstones Lodge to get your bearings, and then take if from there. You seem to be very concerned about being ripped off. I would say that if you act sensibly, be polite and smile, don't get senselessly drunk, then you will have a great time.

[quote=syzygies;1191850]lollipop is new bj bar in suk soi 10 about 20 metres in turn to the left. tuk (famous from sol) is a co-owner manager as she has retired from active duty it seems. quite a few ladies, but not that pretty of course. the only ones i fancied at all were busy, but i am very picky. full sex available too. no idea which girls have skills similar to tuk. not sure how compares to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] overall, but the place looks classy.[/quote]stopped by lollipop in soi 10 a couple of days ago, just to give it a try. as many others have said. this is not the place to go for hot chicks. and. it is not really a classy place either, the whole setup is very basic. the gals hang out outside the place and try to entice passers-by in with the usual "welcome handsome man". so i decided to give it a try: went with the first random girl who approached me. she was very friendly, and lead me up the stairs to a room on the floor above the bar (there is no action in the bar on the ground floor). this room had about 6 leather couches, each with a curtain that could be closed for privacy. the girl will bring a small towel for you to sit on after she has pulled down your pants. you will sit on the couch, and she will kneel between your legs and go to work sucking your cock, balls etc. it was a reasonably professional job. and she was very very friendly and giggly, even after i came in her mouth. total damage was 700 thb for the bj and then i gave her a 200 thb tip. she also offered full service (sex) , but i was not really interested in that (however there were no hard attempts at upselling). the girl i was with had obviously worked at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s before, as she repeatedly said "please come back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], no lollipop, soon".

[QUOTE=Harold444;1193235]7 years going to Bangkok. There are very few with great attitude and good looks-at any price! Why do so many of you get away with 500-1000 short time?[/QUOTE]Simple. For that price you are unlikely to get really good looks. Maybe there are one or two good lookers in Biergarten, Nana Car Park etc. But they may well have a higher price. They just aren't going to be desperate enough to go that low if they are really good looking.

Its possible to find really good looks and really good attitude, if you know the right places. I don't find this combination as low as 1K. Its usually at least 2K, where I am looking since I want a variety of ladies to choose from and don't have time for a long hunt.

[QUOTE=Peter Pan #2; 1193696]Hi guys.

After a long period of 5 years I will return to BKK in November for a two week vacation. I am specially interested in big breast ladies. C cup +. Any recommendations on the current supply?

PP2[/QUOTE]Try Sheba in Soi Cowboy. There is pretty girl with big real tits (C) dancing nude there. One or two others also big. Doll's house also has some big tits. Look around. C cup is not that hard to find, even the non silicone type. Real D cups is more difficult without looking at the fatties.
B19 at soapy Emannuelle (Huay Khwang) is nearly a D cup (C+ all natural).

I was recently in Bangkok and Pattaya and would like to report some of my experiences. Perhaps the information may be useful for some fellow mongers. This part here covers my time in Bangkok, while the Pattaya part is in the Pattaya forum.

I stayed for 3 days and 4 nights, and had my hotel in the NEP (Nana Entertainment Plaza) area. Despite the late arrival on day one, I went out. However, it was one of the Buddha celebrations, so on July 15 and 16, the gogo bars were closed. But not so the disco 'Nana Liquid'. The selection there was not really special, but I picked a nice freelance lady with a nice smile. Most of the time, this is a good sign. So was it this time. She was not so young anymore and had a child (which was visible) , but she was a really good performer. I think that I even could have done her bareback if I liked. Her pussy was very clean with good smell, and DATY was a pleasure. She stayed overnight, and I had two pops. Damage was 2000 Baht and of course, no barfine.

The next night, the gogos were still closed. So, I was hanging around in the beer bars around NEP. At closing – I. E. 2 AM, I picked the waitress of one of the bars. She was quite cute and we had a good chat before. She also had a baby already (equally visible) , but she still had a good body and quite big tits. Again, we did it twice, once in the night and once in the morning. Her performance was ok, but not more. Furthermore, she had some smell of sweat – despite a thorough shower. Also her pussy had this smell, so I did not DATY her. Damage was 3000 Baht. She told me that she still had to pay the barfine, even though I picked her after closing. But she already told the boss that she was going with me. Well, that sounds a bit stupid, so I left this problem to her and did not pay additional.

The third night, the gogo bars were open again. Usually, I stroll from bar to bar to find the 'best' pick. However, this time, I changed my strategy and decided to pick a girl whenever I found a good match. I stopped at about three bars only and found a very nice girl at DC10 in NEP. They might not have the most beautiful girls in general, but she was pretty good. A nice body with good and rather big bump, but not too big at all – just right to be terribly sexy. Then, she also had beautiful tits of medium size. She had no child, so her belly was nice as well. Her face was nothing special, but her personality was great. She made all efforts already in the bar to please me. I could touch her everywhere, and she was very much into DFK. So, I decided to take her to my hotel. The barfine was 600 Baht. She was a great performer, as expected. Again, I am sure I could have done her bareback, if I liked. We had a lot of DFK, I gave her a long DATY – almost until the final. She also returned with a great BBBJ, and I did not even have to ask. She stayed overnight, and I had two pops, the second one on her beautiful belly. We exchanged our telephone numbers (I use a number in Thailand when I am there) , and I paid the damage of 3000 plus a tip of 300 for the great performance and a number of hot pictures I took of her.

The fourth night, I hit now some different bars at NEP. In one of them, I was tempted by a 19 years old (or rather young) girl. She was damn pretty and petite. Her smile was killing. However, I made rather bad experiences with so young girls. They do not really know how to please the men. Furthermore, I was a bit scared due to the young age. I had in mind that girls are allowed to work in bars and go out with men only at the age of 21. When I raised my concerns, the mamasan just told me that she is 21. Well, the girl herself told me she was 19, so this did not necessarily increase my trust. They recommended then to go for a ST at the hourly 'hotel' just next door. Well, I left and hit another bar, the Las Vegas. The average there is really average. But there was one girl who caught my attention. She has slightly curled hair and a very nice face. After completion of her dancing round, she joined me. She has a stunner body and a pretty and very interesting face. So, it did not take a long time for me to decide for her. The barfine was 600 Baht again. While walking to my nearby hotel, she wanted sot mething to eat, and I had to buy some squid on a skewer and some shrimps. Damage 140 Baht – far overpaid, but that was probably part of the deal. Next time, I will decide on the food stall. She had offered ST for 2000 and LT for 3500 respectively 3000, 'if you are good', she told me. I replied that I might keep her for LT, in case she performs well. In my room, she continued eating her squid, and I took a shower. She also emptied my fruit basket in the meantime. Then, after she also had taken her shower, she wanted me to give her the condom. I pretended ignorant and said that I don't know what is a 'condom'. She insisted a couple of times and became visibly upset. Then, I told her that I have condoms, but I will take them out and she is not going to control me this way. The continuation was then mixed as was the start. She did not like me licking her tits – probably ticklish. She let me DATY her for a short time. But then, she started to masturbate and was rubbing her clit. I already had fingered her a bit before, but now, she insisted that I fingered her while she was masturbating. Well, why not? So, I tried to massage her G-spot. The combination of masturbating and fingering her sensitive spot was apparently successful. So, she came after only about three minutes. Now, it was my turn. I was a bit tired, and so I did it only in mish, but for quite a while, until I came. Shortly after, she pulled away and run under the shower. I would consider this a pretty average performance of a typical professional. By the way, she had no kid, but hat to pay for her parents.

After her shower, she asked me whether I want LT. But I said that it's good enough and that I need to get up rather early tomorrow. But I wanted to shoot some (non-nude) pictures of her. After doing so, she said that a friend of her had taken a number of non-nude photos of her. If I like, she can give them to me. Well, why not. So she gave me a memory stick with perhaps 200 photos. She is an absolute talent and could easily work as a photo model. Absolutely amazing. The photos were very nicely made, in a semi-professional way. But she could demonstrate a great talent. I will see whether I can get her once for a shooting as well – perhaps even nude. Having said all this, the bad news is that I had to promise not to publish the photos on the Internet. And I respect such wish. When she left my hotel, she gave me her phone number and asked me to call her again when I am in town. Perhaps I will do so – even if it is only for a photo shooting.

In Bangkok, I stayed at the Majestic Grande in Soi 2 (near the Bangkok JW Marriott). This is very convenient in walking distance from NEP, and it is a more upscale hotel. However, this time, it looked like little Bahrain. There were plenty of Arab families. And this pretty conservative environment is not necessarily what you expect for mongering. On the other hand, it was never a problem to bring any girl to the room (I never tried more than one). In half of the cases, they asked for her I'd, in the other cases, nobody asked. The hotel is recommendable if you like some very nice and clean room. It also appears that my room was non-smoking, which is a firm preference for me.

Here also my impression of some bars. Both, Temptations and Casanova bar employ (exclusively?) Ladymen (Katoey). Rainbow 4 is a good place with plenty of girls, some very pretty. However, when I visited the place, there was bad smell (from food or smelly people – or both) , so I did not feel comfortable and had to leave. G-spot is average. But there are some cuties and gems in most of the bars. Sometimes it is even better in a small bar, with one or two beauties.

Most of the bars charge a barfine of 600 baht. The girls usually ask for 2'200 baht for ST and 3'000 baht for LT. This is the standard in most gogo bars. In a few exceptions, the girls charge only 1'500 for ST and 2'500 for LT, and the freelance from Nana Liquid charged 2'200 baht for LT, and of course, there was no barfine. It turned out that the prices are equal in Bangkok and Pattaya (my next station after Bangkok).

Wonderer.

To be continued in the Pattaya section

Perhaps people can talk about HOTELS on the BANGKOK HOTELS THREAD.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1191676]There are many scams regarding the taxis. BTW the starting rate was 35 B when I was last there. I had one time a taxi where the meter spun faster than the car wheels. It was 600 B when I reached Suk. I just paid him 300 and told him to call the police if he wanted more. He left. Another one, the guy wanted to fill up his tank. Took him over 2-3 miles (out of the way) to find one. And he kept that on the meter. Also, I have noticed that the 50 B surcharge is not always collected.[/QUOTE]Since 100 baht is about 3 bucks, people here are quibbling over less than 5 dollars.

I would rather spend less time sitting in a traffic jam, which they are happy to do if the meter is running.

I think if you offer them a fixed rate (which may be twice what the meter says) they will avoid the traffic and get you where you are going faster.

Every time I told them to turn on the meter I ended up sitting in traffic for an hour.

If I told them. I will give you 100 baht (or 200) to take me to XXX- then they always seemed to take back streets and I was there in no time.

So the bottom line is, this is their ONLY WAY to make a living. Of course they are trying to maximize their income- offer them the opportunity to do that and they will be happy and give you a faster ride. What's 3 or 6 bucks extra compared to an hour in BKK traffic jam

[QUOTE=Capitalized On;1193821]Since 100 baht is about 3 bucks, people here are quibbling over less than 5 dollars. I would rather spend less time sitting in a traffic jam, which they are happy to do if the meter is running. I think if you offer them a fixed rate (which may be twice what the meter says) they will avoid the traffic and get you where you are going faster. Every time I told them to turn on the meter I ended up sitting in traffic for an hour. If I told them. I will give you 100 baht (or 200) to take me to XXX- then they always seemed to take back streets and I was there in no time. So the bottom line is, this is their ONLY WAY to make a living. Of course they are trying to maximize their income- offer them the opportunity to do that and they will be happy and give you a faster ride. What's 3 or 6 bucks extra compared to an hour in BKK traffic jam[/QUOTE]You are not making sense. Why would a taxi driver in BKK try to get you stuck in a traffic jam? It is not like New York where the meter will tick fast when sitting. They will make much more while the car is in motion than when it is sitting still. It is a very bad mentality to think you should just go to LOS and throw money around like that. I know it only costs 100, but here is 200. WTF dude? Do you go into McDonald's and pay double the price of a Big Mac thinking they will have yours ready faster and it will be much tastier than everyone else's? Everyone on the planet has his or her way to make a living and are trying to maximize their income. So that is not saying much.

[quote=harry dude;1193748]stopped by lollipop in soi 10 . the girl i was with had obviously worked at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s before, as she repeatedly said "please come back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], no lollipop, soon".[/quote]hilarious!

on the other hand put yourself in the feet of the girl:

she climbs stairs with a punter and goes in an anonimous room, the punter sits on a couch and pulls down his pants, she gives him a bj and gets hi sload in cim, she gets her money.

off they part way.

this can be anyhwere. she might have lost contact on where she is! .

[QUOTE=Capitalized On;1193821]Since 100 baht is about 3 bucks, people here are quibbling over less than 5 dollars.[/QUOTE]For me it's not the money. It's the feeling I get after I'm scammed and overcharged. I don't feel good. Currently, I refuse to be scammed (I probably protest too much, but I feel better afterwards).

[QUOTE=Capitalized On; 1193821]I would rather spend less time sitting in a traffic jam, which they are happy to do if the meter is running.

I think if you offer them a fixed rate (which may be twice what the meter says) they will avoid the traffic and get you where you are going faster.[/QUOTE]The above is incorrect. The meter goes very slowly when the taxi is not moving. Many Bangkok taxi drivers will refuse to use the meter when the destination has heavy traffic. Actually, taking a taxi in heavy traffic (with the extra hour sitting in traffic) is a good way to get out of the Bangkok heat.

[QUOTE=Capitalized On;1193821]So the bottom line is, this is their ONLY WAY to make a living.[/QUOTE]Yes that's correct. They're poor making a lousy wage. That's why most taxi drivers are "Red Shirts".

Mid July and mid August I stayed in Bangkok, both for around one week.

Through Tagged I made some contact and during the weeks before in Southern China and Hong Kong I had regular contact with one particular girl.

In China in some hotels I could make contact with Tagged in other hotels / service apartments the service was blocked by government. So with interruption we had contact and she was willing to send me some pictures by regular e-mail.

On specific questions like 'what do you expect from meeting me in BKK' and 'what are you rules when we meet' she did not give an reaction.

Finally she agreed to meet with me directly after my return to Bangkok what was on a Sunday, beginning of August in the late afternoon / early evening.

She gave me here phone number and during my stay in Hong Kong I send her some SMS to (re) confirm.

One returned to Bangkok I decided not to contact her and waited to see if she would take the first step (she had ask around which time I would arrive in Bangkok).

Playing pool in the late afternoon in Gulliver's with another girl she send me an SMS to check if I was already arrived.

I lied a little and said just there and still unpacking etc. And we agreed to meet within 1, 5 hour at the Landmark terrace.

Not sure if my pool partner was taking my attention or something else but I totally forgot the time and more than one hour after we had SMS contact and she said she was leaving her house (in On Nut).

I left Gulliver's (while rain was starting to give some horrible hours) , so I had to take a cab in Soi 3 to drop me in my Hotel in Soi 6.

Just entering the reception I got a phone call 'where are you'. Uhm. Waiting for the rain, no taxis here so give me another 15 minutes dear.

Around 30 minutes later, after a quick shower (you never know) and changing clothes the taxi dropped me at the Landmark and it was clear with this weather nobody on the terrace. So walking to the tables inside of the Landmark I passed a hot sexy girl and took my phone to call me date and. The hot sexy girl. Waved to me as two old friend who meet again.

After a hug and my compliments I decided to pay her drink and invited her over to the restaurant.

We ordered and had a nice conversation and it was clear for me.

The girl was around mid 20's. 170 cm (with heels) , curvy but not fat and a great personalty, chemistry was building between us.

After the first course I said let we go down to the Huntsman bar what we did.

This gave me the possibility to view her backside and in the bar I took one of the corner places.

It was around 8 PM and only a view people where there.

We continued with some food and drinks but this time we where seated next to each other. Quickly my arm goes around her shoulder and I could feel her breast and bump very well.

Within the next 15 minutes I said let we go to my hotel room there we have more privacy and. She only smiled.

In the taxi (it was still raining, raining and raining) I kissed her neck and she also gave some attention to my extras and in the elevator we started tongue kissing. In the room we immediately go down on the couch and we touched each other nicely and for a very long time while parts of the clothes where coming down. We had a shower for around 15 minutes and after that we continued on the bed. Nearly all positions that I ever did where on the menu and I came at least 2 times into the next hours.

We even slept for a while and around midnight I started the conversation what she had to do the next day. She said nothing particular and she asked me and what about you. I started a story that I had some conference calls the next day so it would be better if we slept separate. Not sure if she was fine or disappointed with that but we agreed that we would meet again as I was in Bangkok for 10 days.

We continued with sex for another hours or so, she allowed me more or less everything but no anal and I asked if I could come in her mount, she gave me only a smile and around 10 minutes later she got the full load.

Normally, in my experience, girls go quickly after this to the bathroom and spiff it out but she sucked me for another 5 minutes and left down in my arm. My Tagged girl.

I gave her 1. 500 THB (nothing about money was discussed ever before) for taxi.

Sorry no pictures. I try to meet her again and will try to get her for LT or even for some days.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1193935]Yes that's correct. They're poor making a lousy wage. That's why most taxi drivers are "Red Shirts".[/QUOTE]As I said in the Pattaya thread a couple of days ago. I have a girl who is a taxi driver in BKK. She owns her car. She works from 9pm - 3am. She makes 50,000 - 60,000 baht / month. And that is a lot of fucking money when compared to the average Thai. So don't be so quick to feel sorry for everybody and throw your money around all willy nilly.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1193967]Through Tagged I made some contact and during the weeks before in Southern China and Hong Kong I had regular contact with one particular girl.

We continued with sex for another hours or so, she allowed me more or less everything but no anal and I asked if I could come in her mount, she gave me only a smile and around 10 minutes later she got the full load.

I gave her 1. 500 THB (nothing about money was discussed ever before) for taxi.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed your story all the way to the end until I saw that you gave a normal girl that you met on the internet (not a bar, not a gogo, not even a disco) 1,500 baht after sex. Why if I may ask?

Two of my girlfriends, the 3 of use had a nice afternoon and a funny evening, played pool for some hours, had a nice meal and I tried to make clear to them both that I wanted to continuing with then (together) afterwards.

The girl in blue I fucked her already several times, for free and on a certain moment she said we should not meet again because you only want sex and I want a boyfriend.

For her it was always clear that I was a traveler and stayed sometime for some days or even weeks in Bangkok but back home I have another live so what I do abroad is pure hobby.

This afternoon it was the blue girl who send me an SMS asking me to come over and meet again.

When we meet I learned that she was with the other (green) girl.

Over the hours that followed I joked with them, touched them even and tried to make them ready for the action afterwards.

After dinner the girl who I had fucked before said let we go to you place but my reaction was I want you both, then she moved her girlfriend to me and said you can go with her.

Although this girl had a great body and cute bump, made clear that she sometimes needed some extra's but I wanted them both.

I continued with no let we go together etc and on that moment another girlfriend (a older one who I met before as well but never had sex with, she was not my type) passed by.

The blue girl said okay the 3 of us will go with you. I was a little upset, on a certain moment months ago she and her girlfriend we ended (also after dinner) on my room, on the couch we started kissing and she sended her girlfriend away after I made clear (on that time) that I wanted to continue only with one girl.

I made them clear that this was probably even for my hotel to much (me and 3 girls) but that I still wanted to continue with the 2 of them.

Finally she did not agree, pushed the two girlfriend out of the door and left me alone in the restaurant. Hope for another time. With one or both to them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1193969]I enjoyed your story all the way to the end until I saw that you gave a normal girl that you met on the internet (not a bar, not a gogo, not even a disco) 1,500 baht after sex. Why if I may ask?[/QUOTE]That question came (later) also in my mind. I think more or less as compensation for the time and attention that she gave to me. End yes not all Bangkok girls are hockers but many of them. Are familiar with "making some extra money and. Enjoy there time"

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1193656]As for attitude, if you are referring to the TGs at the NCP, I'm not sure how you would know if, in your own words, you do "not hang out there".[/QUOTE]I don't hang out there now and I don't make picks from there. Just my personal thing (not looking down or judging anyone who does). All the ladyboys (more recently) and the general commotion is not my style. I have been there with friends who came to visit and wanted to see the action and I have walked by going to a friend's apartment on the same soi. I did make a pick there a few years back. It was raining hard (big fon tok) and I really didn't want any company. One girl was very forward. So I told her 500b. I was surprised she said Ok. And I was anticipating some sort of problem. There really wasn't any. Except she really was not my usual "type". I hope this answers your question.

Just some hours before leaving Bangkok (flight to Europe are always going around 11:00 PM or even later) around 3 PM I met this hotty with her girlfriend in Guillivers, they where eating and playing pool. I was eating on another table.

They agreed to play also with / against me and after the girlfriend left I invited her for some fun to my room.

She mentioned something like yah but. And I said. I leave tonight and have some Thai money over.

Nice foreplay, funny unclothing and a long shower where I even tried to fuck her anal in the shower. She said that she never did this (what I believe) and we continued on the bed.

Funny girl and a good way for saying au revoir to my beloved country.

Gave her 2. 000 (mostly my maximum in Bangkok) and. Hold the rest of my Thai billets for next time.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1193969]I enjoyed your story all the way to the end until I saw that you gave a normal girl that you met on the internet (not a bar, not a gogo, not even a disco) 1,500 baht after sex. Why if I may ask?[/QUOTE]He said it was for a taxi. She had a long ride home.

Hey guys.

So I'm trying to do as much research on Bangkok and Pattaya as I can for my trip to Thailand in a couple of months. So far I've come to a conclusion that Soi Cowboy is the place to go in Bangkok? If someone has other ideas of where to monger and a good decent hotel in that area, that would be greatly appreciated. I've been to the Philippines several times and I'm into the gogo scene where you can BF a girl, get them drunk and have a GFE with them at your hotel.

Thanks,

Chimmy

[QUOTE=Chimmy31;1194003]So far I've come to a conclusion that Soi Cowboy is the place to go in Bangkok? If someone has other ideas of where to monger and a good decent hotel in that area, that would be greatly appreciated. I've been to the Philippines several times and I'm into the gogo scene where you can BF a girl, get them drunk and have a GFE with them at your hotel.[/QUOTE]I found Soi Cowboy indeed a nice place to hunt. In June there were not too much mongers around, if you stay out of places such as Bacara where there are always too much Japanese staring at the girls dancing on the glass floor upstairs. .

Many a-gogo places to visit. Suzie Wong being my favourite on account of the fact that they dance full frontal nude, so you get to sample the wares on offer. Easy to make contact with the girls, but they are not pushy or hustling you. In exchange for a lady-drink, some discrete touching is surely possible. If you sit next to the dance "floor", some girls might even include you into their routine. The chance to give some quick licks on a bare pussy is always there, to the great enjoyment (and cheers) of the customers.

I stayed at the Citadines apart hotel right around the corner in Sukhumvit Soi 23. Perfectly girl friendly, within easy walking distance and secure: your teerac for the night has to hand in her I'd card, so it is unlikely she will try any funny stunts on you or your belongings. Beautiful ladies at the reception too, though I doubt they are available for some fun.

But I advise against getting your girl drunk, chances are she will just pass out in your room. You will get a GFE as integral part of the LT routine, at least that was my experience.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1177690]Reminds me of my long distant past when I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia. A real helhole on Earth.

Had a vacation in Bali and met a cute Aussie girl (I guess there were such creatures then, never been with a white girl since ).

We pledged undying love at the end of the vacation, she went back to Aussie and I went to Hellhole Arabia. We kept in contact and one day I got a message from my local post office that there was a package, and there was a "problem " with my package.

Arrive at PO and the sweet Saudi fellows (women can't work in Saudi!) had opened my package and found 4 maybe 5 pairs of female panties, some with nice watery stains. The Saudi postal worker said " why for you get package with this porno". I suggested it wasnt porno and was just female panties. He asked repeatedly "why why why ".

I suggested it had been sent to me so I could masterbate all over them, thinking of the hot chick who had been wearing them. He said " no, its illegal, you can't have."

And with that he threw my girls panties in his bin, and told me to go.[/QUOTE]Allahu Akbar.

No masturbating *****!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1194048]I found Soi Cowboy indeed a nice place to hunt. In June there were not too much mongers around, if you stay out of places such as Bacara where there are always too much Japanese staring at the girls dancing on the glass floor upstairs. .

Many a-gogo places to visit. Suzie Wong being my favourite on account of the fact that they dance full frontal nude, so you get to sample the wares on offer. Easy to make contact with the girls, but they are not pushy or hustling you. In exchange for a lady-drink, some discrete touching is surely possible. If you sit next to the dance "floor", some girls might even include you into their routine. The chance to give some quick licks on a bare pussy is always there, to the great enjoyment (and cheers) of the customers.

I stayed at the Citadines apart hotel right around the corner in Sukhumvit Soi 23. Perfectly girl friendly, within easy walking distance and secure: your teerac for the night has to hand in her I'd card, so it is unlikely she will try any funny stunts on you or your belongings. Beautiful ladies at the reception too, though I doubt they are available for some fun.

But I advise against getting your girl drunk, chances are she will just pass out in your room. You will get a GFE as integral part of the LT routine, at least that was my experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro.

I'm a pretty young dude that I think is above average in looks. I can get girls in the states easy but I really really really enjoy mongering LOL. Maybe I have a problem? I dunno but I don't know if I can ever stop LOL.

My friend told me about his trip to Pattaya which is suppose to be a lot like Angeles in the Philippines. Should I do that first? Or is Soi Cowboy your favorite? I also heard of Nana and Patpong. I can't wait for this trip FYI. Even though I'm from the West Coast where there's like millions of asians, I've never even seen a real life Thai girl so I don't really know what to expect except from the pics posted to this page. I've met all the other races except Thai. I'm planning to go in November or January.

Jimmy31,

West Coast and with millions of Asians and you never seen a Thai girl? Where you living? In the Sierra's?

L. A. Has a huge population, there is a community in San Bruno, there is a community in Berkeley and Oakland. Several of the massage parlors in S. F. Tenderlion area have them.

LBM

[QUOTE=Chimmy31;1194066]I'm a pretty young dude that I think is above average in looks. I can get girls in the states easy but I really really really enjoy mongering LOL. Maybe I have a problem? I dunno but I don't know if I can ever stop LOL. My friend told me about his trip to Pattaya which is suppose to be a lot like Angeles in the Philippines. Should I do that first? Or is Soi Cowboy your favorite?[/QUOTE]Sounds like Patts should be your first stop as its "over the top" for mongering. BKK is a bit more subtle. BTW, we all have that problem...

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1194066]Thanks bro.

I'm a pretty young dude that I think is above average in looks. I can get girls in the states easy but I really really really enjoy mongering LOL. Maybe I have a problem? I dunno but I don't know if I can ever stop LOL.

My friend told me about his trip to Pattaya which is suppose to be a lot like Angeles in the Philippines. Should I do that first? Or is Soi Cowboy your favorite? I also heard of Nana and Patpong. I can't wait for this trip FYI. Even though I'm from the West Coast where there's like millions of asians, I've never even seen a real life Thai girl so I don't really know what to expect except from the pics posted to this page. I've met all the other races except Thai. I'm planning to go in November or January.[/QUOTE]There are many on the escort sites.

If not, walk into one of the 1000 Thai restaurants on the west coast and there usually is at least one working there. Many times, a cute one.

Was in Bangkok recently on a short visit, but managed to cram in four sessions / five girls in the four days I was there! .

[B]In-Room Massage[/B]

The first encounter was an unexpected and pleasant surprise. My favourite Dulaya Spa had closed down so I booked a massage in the hotel. I expected to have to go up to the Spa but was told that the girl would be sent down to my room – pleasant surprise no. 1. When the masseuse turned up at my door, instead of the sumo-like old bag I was expecting, she turned out to be young, petite and pretty – pleasant surprise no. 2.

I had booked a 90-minute massage and the first 40 minutes or so passed by quite conventionally – reasonably good massage skills, nice oil, friendly girl so a fair bit of chat along with it. Flipped over for the second half of the massage and things started to get interesting as her hands began to 'accidentally' brush my bits-and-pieces as she massaged the insides of my thighs. Hey-ho, I thought to myself, this is starting to look promising. With that thought and the ongoing 'accidental' contact, nature took its course and my towel started to rise up in a tent formation, duly noted by the masseuse with a little smile. She was a naughty girl, this one, and liked to tease so she carried on doing what she was doing without any reference to the raging boner I had by now.

After a minute or so, she pointed to the tentpole with a twinkle in her eye and asked whether I wanted to be 'massaged' there too. Of course, said I, but went on to express my great sadness that only a 'massage' was on offer. Pleasant surprise no. 3, to my delight, turned out to be that everything was on offer – at a price (of course.). The prices, though, were not surprising nor pleasant. Knowing a captive audience when she saw it, my girl quoted an outrageous price for FS and only a slightly less ridiculous rate for a BJ. Negotiations went on for some time, albeit in good humour, and we eventually agreed an amount for her getting naked and blowing me. I definitely over-paid, but I'm a bit of a sucker like that in the heat of the moment and being of a generous disposition in general.

Lovely, lithe little body when the masseuse-uniform came off. Creamy skin, perky little tits topped off by delicious light-brown nipples and neat little curls in the strike zone. Started off with a nice body-to-body, plenty of nibbling here and there and some LFK. The BBBJ (she tried to go CBJ but I stood firm on that, given the price I was paying) was very pleasant too – not expert but good for an amateur: nice suction, plenty of licking and a little tongue-fluttering thrown in for good measure. I had sworn faithfully not to come in her mouth, so finished off humping her legs (a perversion I blame on my private-school upbringing) and spunking all over her smooth thighs.

[B]Annies[/B]

Dropped in at Annie's the next day for a pre-booked appointment with N, whom I had last met in January 2010. She looked pretty much the same as last time, except for a shorter haircut. I was gobsmacked that she remembered me, especially since I had forgotten that it was her I had seen on my last visit to Annies and only realized when she greeted me with 'do you remember me'. Big time brownie-points to N on that score.

The session was excellent. Superb soapy, followed by relaxed, un-rushed sex. She came as I went down on her this time and tasted great. Very skilled BBBJ and when I went inside her, she was wet and tight. Wanted to finish off with a COF like last time but she seems to not do that anymore, so aimed for the chest instead.

Lovely girl, lovely session.

[B]Soi Cowboy / Shark Bar[/B]

Having posted on the forum asking whether Soi Cowboy was still alive and kicking, I thought I had better go along and see for myself. Very relieved to see that everything appeared as normal when I got there. Shark was pretty busy with a lot of Japanese tourists in on the night. As usual, plenty of eye-candy on display on the stage and the hostesses outside were as friendly as ever, although the service inside seemed quite aloof compared to previous visits.

After a couple of beers and taking in the sights, I signaled one of the girls on stage to come over. She was tall, caramel complexion, lustrous wavy hair, cupid's bow lips and had a lovely smile. Her English wasn't all that good but she was friendly and fun. She asked if her friend could join and I said why not. The friend reminded me of a Thai version of the actress Jennifer Carpenter, whom I lust after whenever I watch Dexter, so I was happy to have join us. Her English was much better than the first girls and she had a hilarious sense of humour. Stayed on in the bar for another hour or so, had a few whiskies and B52 shots with the girls and decided to barfine both of them.

Dropped in at Long Gun on the way back to the hotel to take in the show, which was excellent as always. The usual waste of time arguing with the taxi drivers about the fare back to the hotel and eventually made it back to my suite. A few more drinks with the girls, who were both quite drunk by now, helped oil the social interaction even more and by the time we got to bed the three of us were having a good laugh together.

The sex was good fun too. Great BBBJ from the first girl, enjoyed eating her out too – she came pretty quickly, always a good sign. Really enjoyed DFK with her as well, those soft, full lips of hers were perfect for kissing (and blowing.). The second girl was enthusiastic and willing but not as good as the first one in her skills. Lovely pair of legs on her, though. Bounced around with the two of them for quite a while and enjoyed seeing the them play with each other too. Eventually couldn't hold on any more and blew my load all over girl no. 1's mouth while girl no. 2 licked my balls. No. 1 swallowed some of the gunk and No. 2 licked the rest of it off No. 1's face, to my eternal gratitude for the imagery.

Had agreed the price for two rounds since there were two of them, but I was knackered so sent them off with another giggle, a cuddle and a snog at the door.

Had some fun taking photos too but they turned camera-shy when we hit the bed.

[B]EZ Massage on Soi 24[/B]

Saw a banner ad for EZ Massage on Stickman's site and decided to pop in as I was staying on Soi 24 and had an afternoon to kill before flying out.

Walked up a flight of stairs to a bright and clean reception area. Friendly guy behind the counter and a very friendly hostess came out to show me the photo album. Wanted Natalee (a scrummy little chocolate number) but she wasn't available (will pre-book her next time) so picked Emmy, who looked like an innocent little schoolgirl. She turned out to be a 19 year-old university student from Chiang Mai with that lovely porcelain complexion that the up-country girls all seem to have and a sweet smile. Quite skinny but the babydoll face sold me.

2400 Baht for a 2 hour session. 2200 for 90 minutes. 2000 for an hour. I had a car picking me up in two hours to go to the airport so I went for the 90-minute session.

The massage room was tidy and clean, with a mattress on the floor and a shower cubicle in the corner. Had a shower first, she followed and then started the massage using aromatherapy oil. Not a bad massage for such a skinny little thing but not special either – in any case the massage wasn't the reason I was there so I didn't really care.

After about 60 minutes of massage her towel came off to reveal a slender, willowy body as it had seemed with the clothes on. Barely more than a couple of fried eggs in the chest area but the overall look had a sexy appeal of its own. I like variety anyway, so was quite happy.

Think she is very new at the game and inexperienced to go with it so I thought I better take the lead and warm her up first. Conversation wasn't really a possibility as her English was pretty poor and my Thai abysmal so I decided to head for my sure-fire winner: go down on her. She tasted really good – fresh, soaking wet and a very pretty set of labia. She really got into too and went off into a bit of a trance, it seemed. Unfortunately, although she seemed right on the edge several times, she wouldn't come and after about 15 minutes of lapping away, I decided to be selfish and stop or I wouldn't have had any attention to my own needs.

It's got to be said, her inexperience came through when it came to performance. The CBJ was a bit of cheesegrater and she didn't really look too comfortable in CG, so I thought I better just flip her into Mish and get it over with asap, which is just what I did. She was a cute girl and didn't lack for attitude but the skills just aren't there yet.

So, lessons learned from my first EZ experience: pick a more experienced girl (which is a common sense rule of thumb in any case, I guess) , go for the two hour session and make sure the massage ends with at least half the time left.

Will definitely return though as I just have to sample Natalee.

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1194066]Thanks bro.

I'm a [I]pretty young dude that I think is above average in looks[/I]. I can get girls in the states easy but I really really really enjoy mongering LOL. Maybe I have a problem? I dunno but I don't know if I can ever stop LOL.[/QUOTE]Aren't we all smart, handsome and above average in looks?

However may I remind you of the very fact that this board deals with pay-for-pleasure, p4p, in which things other than looks are more important.

Thanks fellas,

I think Pattayas it is, walking street right? I'm thinking of going in October, the weather should be alright? There's other things to do when not mongering as well? Ya, where I'm at, I see a lot of Koreans, Viets, Chinese, Japanese and Filipinos but no Thais unless I'm just over looking them. My flight will have a layover in Seoul as well, so I'll probably do something for a day in Seoul. Or maybe I'll do some days in Pattaya and some days in Bangkok, I'm actually really excited now LOL.

[QUOTE=Chimmy31;1194231]There's other things to do when not mongering as well?[/QUOTE]Sure, one of the most exciting things (with my clothes on) was the "Flight of the Gibbon" zip-line adventure in the rainforest. Google it, you wil not be disappointed. Not very cheap (about the price of an average LT) , but it is all included.

[QUOTE=Chimmy31;1194066]My friend told me about his trip to Pattaya which is suppose to be a lot like Angeles in the Philippines. Should I do that first? Or is Soi Cowboy your favorite? I also heard of Nana and Patpong.[/QUOTE]I have never been to Angeles, so I cannot really comment. Pattaya is everything you can imagine, everything except being subtle about it. If you cannot find anything Asian you like there, you will not find it anywhere.

Nana is too crowded and busy to my liking, but YMMV. Soi Cowboy is more to my taste. Patpong is for tourists and really in decline I hear.

[quote=chimmy31; 1194066]my friend told me about his trip to pattaya which is suppose to be a lot like angeles in the philippines. should i do that first? or is soi cowboy your favorite? i also heard of nana and patpong. i can't wait for this trip fyi. even though i'm from the west coast where there's like millions of asians, i've never even seen a real life thai girl so i don't really know what to expect except from the pics posted to this page. i've met all the other races except thai. i'm planning to go in november or january.

i'm trying to do as much research on bangkok and pattaya as i can for my trip to thailand in a couple of months. so far i've come to a conclusion that soi cowboy is the place to go in bangkok? if someone has other ideas of where to monger, that would be greatly appreciated. i've been to the philippines several times and i'm into the gogo scene where you can bf a girl, get them drunk and have a gfe with them at your hotel.[/quote]chimney, first do yourself a real favor and rtff! i do and you should too. go back at least a year and read forward. second, as to your question of where you should go: pattaya or bkk? my answer is, it depends. it depends on how long you plan to travel, your financial situation and your preferences towards the girls. you say you have been to the philippines. well bkk is kind of like manila – a big city with many venues and locations. it is not just nana and cowboy. there are the oily message parlors on upper sukhumvit and the soapy massage parlors rep001tered a little to the north. rtff! i think bkk is a lot better than manila because it has better food, it is safer, it is easier to get around, it offers more in the way of recreational tourist things to do in the daytime, and most important, the girls are better looking on average. imho.

pattaya and ac are comparable, except that pattaya is huge compared to fields and perimeter. pattaya has many, many more bars and roughly 10x as many girls. pattaya is safer than ac and i can't believe i am saying this; it is less seedy than ac. pattaya has pretensions of being a beach resort. stand on beach road and look out at the bay and it looks pretty good (although the water is polluted so go to jomtien if you want an ocean swim). ac has no pretensions. ac is pretty much a dump and i love ac for just that reason. but most guys would probably say pattaya is better than ac and you really should go to pattaya if you have never been there. the two advantages ac has over pattaya are prices (1500p to 3000p vs. 1500bk to 3000bk for go go girls) and the girls all speak english. pattaya girls speak some english. that is a big difference, but sometimes less is more.

so come to thailand. end of story. it will change your whole perpsective on women. now, if you have two weeks; then i would suggest a week in bkk and a week in pattaya. if you have less than two weeks, then pick one or the other. you can't go wrong with either destination, but for bkk you should do a little more homework. read up on the soapies and the oilies so you can sample all that is on the plate. cowboy and nana are great, but don't wait for your second or third trip to visit a massage parlor. for pattaya, just get your ass down to walking street at 8pm with a short list of go go's to check out. no further preparation is really necessary although you should know about devil's den, soi 6, and the ubiquitous beer bars. just to give you an idea, cowboy is maybe 2 blocks long. the walking street area is at least 10 times larger. happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Capitalized On; 1193821]Since 100 baht is about 3 bucks, people here are quibbling over less than 5 dollars.

I would rather spend less time sitting in a traffic jam, which they are happy to do if the meter is running.

I think if you offer them a fixed rate (which may be twice what the meter says) they will avoid the traffic and get you where you are going faster.

Every time I told them to turn on the meter I ended up sitting in traffic for an hour.

If I told them. I will give you 100 baht (or 200) to take me to XXX- then they always seemed to take back streets and I was there in no time.

So the bottom line is, this is their ONLY WAY to make a living. Of course they are trying to maximize their income- offer them the opportunity to do that and they will be happy and give you a faster ride. What's 3 or 6 bucks extra compared to an hour in BKK traffic jam[/QUOTE]While I agree with your first point about the 100 Baht, the rest is based on a very wrong assumption.

Taxis do not make good money running on the meter in a traffic jam. The rate per minute is too low. You will find that the driver is getting frustrated too. Taxis will always try for fast moving routes in preference, even if the total distance is much further, unless he genuinely trying to minimise your bill (yes this does happen too). So the true danger of running on the meter is when the taxi takes a route that is twice as far in order to avoid traffic. If that truelly gets you there faster, then great. Otherwise you end with a much higher bill and perhaps taking longer as well.

Traffic jams are bad for both driver and for passenger. Sometimes the taxi will refuse a destination based on knowing the traffic jams involved. Then you will need to offer a generous but fair amount without the meter. But beware of parked drivers looking for a chump.

On the other hand I sometimes have to tell him to fucking well take the freeway, and I don't care if it costs more, I just want tot get there as fast as possible.

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1194231]Thanks fellas,

I think Pattayas it is, walking street right? I'm thinking of going in October, the weather should be alright? There's other things to do when not mongering as well? Ya, where I'm at, I see a lot of Koreans, Viets, Chinese, Japanese and Filipinos but no Thais unless I'm just over looking them. My flight will have a layover in Seoul as well, so I'll probably do something for a day in Seoul. Or maybe I'll do some days in Pattaya and some days in Bangkok, I'm actually really excited now LOL.[/QUOTE]Walking Street NO. Stay away from there and you will have a much better time.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1194357]Walking Street NO. Stay away from there and you will have a much better time.[/QUOTE]L, I am not 100% sure if you are really serious or just being facetious. And if I can't tell, then Chimmy might not get the humor at all. Come on, you are not really telling the guy to stay away from Walking Street on his first visit to Pattaya are you? Why not advise him to go to Pakistan instead of Thailand? The P4P is so much better and cheaper too. He might get kidnapped and get his head cut off, but it's all good.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1194379]L, I am not 100% sure if you are really serious or just being facetious. And if I can't tell, then Chimmy might not get the humor at all. Come on, you are not really telling the guy to stay away from Walking Street on his first visit to Pattaya are you? Why not advise him to go to Pakistan instead of Thailand? The P4P is so much better and cheaper too. He might get kidnapped and get his head cut off, but it's all good.[/QUOTE]I would actually tell him to go to Walking Street, walk through it, and keep walking toward Sois 10-2, Beach Road, Second Road areas.

If you like rip offs, bad dancers, upsells, LD's, Lboys, overpriced girls, many many tourists, smoke, extremely loud music, over priced restaurants, and low lifes, then spend your trip on WS.

I love Pattaya, not WS.

Look! It is his vacation! At the same time we tell him to RTFF and then we tell him to stay away? How is this kid going to learn anything if you protect him? He lives in the West Coast with millions or Asians and haven't even met a Thai girl. He said he is young and good looking and so far gotten away with not meeting a Thai girl. We want him to be safe sure but let the boy go wild? After hours on a long flight and then traveling all the way to Pattaya and not going to Walking St. Good or bad is like going to Daiseyland for the first time, parking outside, and turning around and going down the road to Knottsberry Farm.

Let the boy enjoy himself and RTFF as recommended and let him report back as to what he experience? Just don't tell us you are getting married and payng money for the sick buffaloe?

LBM

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1194066]Thanks bro.

I'm a pretty young dude that I think is above average in looks. I can get girls in the states easy but I really really really enjoy mongering LOL. Maybe I have a problem? I dunno but I don't know if I can ever stop LOL.

My friend told me about his trip to Pattaya which is suppose to be a lot like Angeles in the Philippines. Should I do that first? Or is Soi Cowboy your favorite? I also heard of Nana and Patpong. I can't wait for this trip FYI. Even though I'm from the West Coast where there's like millions of asians, I've never even seen a real life Thai girl so I don't really know what to expect except from the pics posted to this page. I've met all the other races except Thai. I'm planning to go in November or January.[/QUOTE]I have posted a couple of Bangkok reports. Check them out, they may be helpful to you

[quote=natty bumpo; 1194266]chimney, first do yourself a real favor and rtff! i do and you should too. go back at least a year and read forward. second, as to your question of where you should go: pattaya or bkk? my answer is, it depends. it depends on how long you plan to travel, your financial situation and your preferences towards the girls. you say you have been to the philippines. well bkk is kind of like manila – a big city with many venues and locations. it is not just nana and cowboy. there are the oily message parlors on upper sukhumvit and the soapy massage parlors rep001tered a little to the north. rtff! i think bkk is a lot better than manila because it has better food, it is safer, it is easier to get around, it offers more in the way of recreational tourist things to do in the daytime, and most important, the girls are better looking on average. imho.

pattaya and ac are comparable, except that pattaya is huge compared to fields and perimeter. pattaya has many, many more bars and roughly 10x as many girls. pattaya is safer than ac and i can't believe i am saying this; it is less seedy than ac. pattaya has pretensions of being a beach resort. stand on beach road and look out at the bay and it looks pretty good (although the water is polluted so go to jomtien if you want an ocean swim). ac has no pretensions. ac is pretty much a dump and i love ac for just that reason. but most guys would probably say pattaya is better than ac and you really should go to pattaya if you have never been there. the two advantages ac has over pattaya are prices (1500p to 3000p vs. 1500bk to 3000bk for go go girls) and the girls all speak english. pattaya girls speak some english. that is a big difference, but sometimes less is more.

so come to thailand. end of story. it will change your whole perpsective on women. now, if you have two weeks; then i would suggest a week in bkk and a week in pattaya. if you have less than two weeks, then pick one or the other. you can't go wrong with either destination, but for bkk you should do a little more homework. read up on the soapies and the oilies so you can sample all that is on the plate. cowboy and nana are great, but don't wait for your second or third trip to visit a massage parlor. for pattaya, just get your ass down to walking street at 8pm with a short list of go go's to check out. no further preparation is really necessary although you should know about devil's den, soi 6, and the ubiquitous beer bars. just to give you an idea, cowboy is maybe 2 blocks long. the walking street area is at least 10 times larger. happy hunting.[/quote]thanks man,

very helpful! i ain't really down with the oily massage places and soapy massages because we have a lot of korean amps down here that i presume are similar? at the korean amps i can pretty much do whatevers but ymmv. i don't have a gf yet but i'm talking to someone and it's almost about that time i settle down and start a family. so i'm trying to get all this mongering out of my system before it's too late! lol i make pretty good money in the states and i don't really spend it unless i travel so money reallly isn't a problem. but i do hate being ripped off and i'm a value shopper! love getting the most bang for the buck! i read about devil's den which is pretty dope. here in the states, a lot of pro vietnamese girls offer anal for a price or when their v is just too sore because of all the abuse lol.

i also really want to hit up thailand because of all the debates between manila and bangkok, angeles and pataya and you really talked about it even before i asked! what really confuses me is all the soi's like from 1-50 lol or whatever the numbers are. also like soi diamond, soi cowboy, etc. i'm also afraid of my one day layover in seoul, korea and getting some action there because most of the time on these trips, i fuck so much and so hard i get sick of it lol. for example, i just got back from manila a couple of weeks ago and i still didn't get the urge to wack off or do a girl yet! i know nothing is wrong with me cause i get tested for everything everytime i get back (got to make use of that health insurance my company offers) , it's just that banging it out 2 or 3 times a day, every day on a trip can take its tole! lol

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1194391]I would actually tell him to go to Walking Street, walk through it, and keep walking toward Sois 10-2, Beach Road, Second Road areas.

If you like rip offs, bad dancers, upsells, LD's, Lboys, overpriced girls, many many tourists, smoke, extremely loud music, over priced restaurants, and low lifes, then spend your trip on WS.

I love Pattaya, not WS.[/QUOTE]Well, thanks for the look out man! I ain't into Ladyboys at all! I actually almost got into a fight with one down in Ermita, Philippines because She / he wouldn't leave me alone and kept grabbing my arm while I was walking to Manila Bay Cafe. I am into music and dancing but I'm also into good deals for cute to hot girls. So I guess Sois 10-2, Beach Road and Second Roads is it then!

Thanks Luvpuss =)

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1194428]Well, thanks for the look out man! < So I guess Sois 10-2, Beach Road and Second Roads is it then!

Thanks Luvpuss =) [/QUOTE]What a shame that if you listen to Mr. Luvpuss, you'll miss out on Walking Street, the focal point of Pattaya and the place where most of the better looking pussy can be found. I've lived in Pattaya for 4 years now and don't go anywhere else for entertainment.

There are ladyboys everywhere in Pattaya. If you ignore them they'll leave you alone.

For a young guy like you, I think you'll find Walking Street paradise on Earth.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1194470]What a shame that if you listen to Mr. Luvpuss, you'll miss out on Walking Street, the focal point of Pattaya and the place where most of the better looking pussy can be found. I've lived in Pattaya for 4 years now and don't go anywhere else for entertainment.

There are ladyboys everywhere in Pattaya. If you ignore them they'll leave you alone.

For a young guy like you, I think you'll find Walking Street paradise on Earth.[/QUOTE]Daddy07,

As the King of Jomtien, and maybe in need of another adopted son, why don't you take the kid under your wings and show him the ropes around paradise.

LBM

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1194426]Thanks man,

Very someone and it's almost about that time I settle down and start a family. So I'm trying to get all this mongering out of my system before it's too late![/QUOTE]In our past we all had this fabulous idea that we will score a lot, get married and the itch will never re-appear.

Let me state the "itch" is like a herpes virus, just waiting to get you again, and sure enough a few years after being married, it breaks out in a big lustful rash and from then on, you want to go back acting as thought you were single and banging all in sight at every opportunity. You salivate when the boss says "theres a conference and its in BKK ", you agree to do the sales calls in Manila even though its not your turf, you volunteer for Jakarta trips etcetc. Once in the blood, that itch NEVER goes away. Rich or poor. Its there for good!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1194475]Daddy07,

As the King of Jomtien, and maybe in need of another adopted son, why don't you take the kid under your wings and show him the ropes around paradise.

LBM[/QUOTE]'Cause he doesn't need a geezer to hold his hand. All he needs to do is RTFF, take a few notes, arrive with a good attitude, be his own man, explore, and have fun.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1194470]What a shame that if you listen to Mr. Luvpuss, you'll miss out on Walking Street, the focal point of Pattaya and the place where most of the better looking pussy can be found. I've lived in Pattaya for 4 years now and don't go anywhere else for entertainment.

There are ladyboys everywhere in Pattaya. If you ignore them they'll leave you alone.

For a young guy like you, I think you'll find Walking Street paradise on Earth.[/QUOTE]Ya, I won't avoid Walking Street either. Bright lights call to me LOL. As long as the pussy as that fresh smell, I'm down for whatevers! LOL BTW, what do you guys do during the day? Can't have sex 24-7 now can we? LOL

I'll be in BKK in a couple of months but will only have a day free for mongering and the Eden Club has long been on my list of places to visit. Searching for it shows no posts in a long time. Is it still open? Worth a visit still?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Chimmy31;1194500].BTW, what do you guys do during the day? Can't have sex 24-7 now can we? LOL[/QUOTE]Of course not. We just hold each other's dick and wank away. What did you think we did?

[QUOTE=Veloman; 1194572]I'll be in BKK in a couple of months but will only have a day free for mongering and the Eden Club has long been on my list of places to visit. Searching for it shows no posts in a long time. Is it still open? Worth a visit still?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Veloman, Eden is still alive. Here is the link to Eden [url]http://*************.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1194003]Hey guys.

So I'm trying to do as much research on Bangkok and Pattaya as I can for my trip to Thailand in a couple of months. So far I've come to a conclusion that Soi Cowboy is the place to go in Bangkok? If someone has other ideas of where to monger and a good decent hotel in that area, that would be greatly appreciated. I've been to the Philippines several times and I'm into the gogo scene where you can BF a girl, get them drunk and have a GFE with them at your hotel.

Thanks,

Chimmy[/QUOTE]
Dear Chimmy31, when taking into consideration the opinions and suggestions that people offer on this forum, I humbly suggest the following: you must try to understand who are the expats and/or long timers, and who are the newbies or “once in a while” guys.

Those with a lot of mileage will generally warn you about a lot of stuff, complain about prices and locals, rip-offs, stupid tourists, and such.
They are often right in their assessments.
They speak from experience, they have to manage their finances, and they don’t feel like a kid in a candy store anymore.

Those who only visit every now and then will generally marvel at the beauty of the girls, the cheap prices, the overall fun they had, the nice locals.
They are often right in their assessments.
On holiday for a few days, you feel like a kid in a candy store, don’t know if you’re being cheated 20 baht, don’t really care anyway.

If you take the time to read the last 20 pages of the Pattaya thread you’ll find a lot of ecstatic reports, and a lot of moaning.

It happens everywhere around the world and everywhere on the ISG threads.


An example.

I, Ryo Saeba, who lives in Europe and went to Pattaya for the first time last year, would [b]strongly[/b] recommend any newbie to go to Baccara gogo in Pattaya and spend 2.000 baht on a basket of ping pong balls.
It’s funny as hell and an experience you’ll remember fondly for the rest of your life. You’ll probably not repeat it, but should try at least once.

But I doubt you’d find many expats encouraging you to do the same.

Who’s right, who’s wrong. There isn’t right or wrong.

I think as someone who’s already spent about 1.500 euros in flight and accommodation alone: what’s 50 more for trying something I may never have the chance again?

The expat thinks as someone who sees 2.000 baht as the equivalent of 3 or more Beach Rd girls.


It’s up to you to understand and evaluate the vision of which group you are most likely to share.

Of course, you MUST READ THE FUCKING FORUM.

My apologies to all for oversimplifying a concept which would otherwise require an extremely long and detailed dissertation.

With the best intentions,

Ryo

Remember a post about Bangkok Beat, in which a bad band was mentioned. I was in Bangkok Beat last night.

Some renovation was done since my last visit, the bar was moved, the customer seats area is now better situated opposite of the stage. Quite well done.

Back to the band that one playing until midnight is not worth to be mentioned. But afterwards an awesome band plays (yesterday approx. Until 2 am, sadly the late night spots close right now at around 2 am, government order, we usually have this phenomenon around election times). The band is possibly the best I have ever heard in Bangkok. The drummer was obviously born with sticks in his hands, and the bassist has music in his blood.

Action ok, not too many tourists in Bangkok right now, but a good crowd at Bangkok Beat. Solely the band is worth to go there after midnight.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[QUOTE=Chimmy31;1194500]Ya, I won't avoid Walking Street either. Bright lights call to me LOL. As long as the pussy as that fresh smell, I'm down for whatevers! LOL BTW, what do you guys do during the day? Can't have sex 24-7 now can we? LOL[/QUOTE]Yes you do need a chance to give your dick a rest. There is lots of shit to do in Pattaya. Just google it.

Some examples:

Golf.

Rent a motorbike

Scuba.

Snorkel.

Bungee jump.

Cooking classes.

Jet ski (watch out though)

Zip-line.

Sky diving.

I can go on and on.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba;1194587]Dear Chimmy31, when taking into consideration the opinions and suggestions that people offer on this forum, I humbly suggest the following: you must try to understand who are the expats and/or long timers, and who are the newbies or “once in a while” guys. . . . . .
. . . . .
. . . . Of course, you MUST READ THE FUCKING FORUM. My apologies to all for oversimplifying a concept which would otherwise require an extremely long and detailed dissertation.With the best intentions,Ryo[/QUOTE]You could not said it better!

And this also calms down the price police! .

[QUOTE=Harold444;1194413]Yes it is a lot. Thats why you must have misunderstood what the girl told you. There must have been extenuating circumstances in her earning so much driving a taxi. The numbers just don't add up![/QUOTE]555. I wouldn't say that I misunderstood her. She is my girlfriend. Her car is paid off and she is one of those who doesn't use the meter and makes her own prices. She charges 1500 from BKK to Pattaya (and 500 from Nana to the airport). I have no idea why people would pay that, when they could pay another driver 1000 but they do. She damn near has more stamps in her passport than I do. She asked me about going to Uganda with her. I said I'm not going to no f*ng Uganda!

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1194614]Remember a post about Bangkok Beat, in which a bad band was mentioned. I was in Bangkok Beat last night.

Some renovation was done since my last visit, the bar was moved, the customer seats area is now better situated opposite of the stage. Quite well done.

Back to the band that one playing until midnight is not worth to be mentioned. But afterwards an awesome band plays (yesterday approx. Until 2 am, sadly the late night spots close right now at around 2 am, government order, we usually have this phenomenon around election times). The band is possibly the best I have ever heard in Bangkok. The drummer was obviously born with sticks in his hands, and the bassist has music in his blood.

Action ok, not too many tourists in Bangkok right now, but a good crowd at Bangkok Beat. Solely the band is worth to go there after midnight.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]Do you mean that Bangkok Beat is closing now at 2 AM?

For me (staying mostly in Soi 6) it was the ultimate after hours bar.

I left BKK 2 weeks ago and stayed on that time for some weeks in Bangkok, visited this place between 6 till 8 time.

Mid August they where renovation the bar.

Mostly I was their after 2 AM. Play some rounds of pool and enjoy the music and the girls.

The lady singer from the band has a great voice.

There are (where) always girls that you could find earlier in places like Sanooke, Guillivers and Country Road.

Girls that do not go to Climax or Insomia but girls who are looking for the same.

Often I had a succesfull pick up from there (but always between 3 and 4 AM).

I hope that after the election time they return to their old opening times.

[QUOTE=Marie Noudle;1194582]Eden is still alive.[/QUOTE]Heading back to Bangers after a 5 year hiatus. Last time I was at Eden the girls were a bit haggard looking, but the service was great (as usual). Wondering if much has changed. Can anyone offer an update?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Wasabijoe; 1194736]Heading back to Bangers after a 5 year hiatus. Last time I was at Eden the girls were a bit haggard looking, but the service was great (as usual). Wondering if much has changed. Can anyone offer an update?

Cheers![/QUOTE]Same, Same. Not the best lookers (in general). But good service. Nothing has changed.

Anyone have a list of good but cheap traditional thai massages places (the ones without sex). Looking to relax with a few sessions on my next time in BKK. Massage places near a subway or train stations a plus.

Also what are the going rates these days for a thai massage and how much is an average tip afterwards.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Freezone; 1195330]Anyone have a list of good but cheap traditional thai massages places (the ones without sex). Looking to relax with a few sessions on my next time in BKK. Massage places near a subway or train stations a plus.

Also what are the going rates these days for a thai massage and how much is an average tip afterwards.

Thanks[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.healthlandspa.com/[/url]

And.

[url]http://www.thaioasis.com/mb/bkkdayspasoverview.php[/url] (ref. King and I and others for your perusal)

I am going to BKK in November. First time. I decided to do a little research on places I might visit, and created a map that should be useful. I thought others might like to see it and make suggestions. A couple of notes: 1) I'm only going to be on the ground for a week, so obviously I won't be going to all these places; 2) I am staying at Town Lodge, Sukhumvit Soi 18; 3) I didn't bother noting individual places in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza; and 4) Hyatt Regency is on the map because I know the band there, although I also understand Spasso is a place for some freelance girls.

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=201674603674274468234.0004ab5222c27ff74394d&msa=0&ll=13.746305,100.560908&spn=0.025387,0.038581[/url]

Anyway, enjoy!

Since we are talking about Maps for Bangkok and not being a Bangkok guy. Anyone have any idea where Central World might be?

Thanks, LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1195410]Since we are talking about Maps for Bangkok and not being a Bangkok guy. Anyone have any idea where Central World might be?

Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]BTS Chitlom. 2 stops from Nana.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1195410]Since we are talking about Maps for Bangkok and not being a Bangkok guy. Anyone have any idea where Central World might be?

Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]Go to Google and enter Central World Bangkok. You'll get a nice page with a clickable map.

Or use this link (Central World is labeled "A")

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=central+world+Bangkok&hl=en&ll=13.747764, 100.539193&spn=0.024386, 0.038581&fb=1&gl=us&cid=0, 0.1081146155368973120&sqi=2&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6[/url]

Anyone know of any activity in the On Nut area?

Even just a massage place that does happy endings.

A lot of friendly looking women in the area, so there must be something.

[QUOTE=HarryDave; 1195418]Go to Google and enter Central World Bangkok. You'll get a nice page with a clickable map.

Or use this link (Central World is labeled "A")

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=central+world+Bangkok&hl=en&ll=13.747764, 100.539193&spn=0.024386, 0.038581&fb=1&gl=us&cid=0, 0.1081146155368973120&sqi=2&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6[/url][/QUOTE]Did they open again? Last April they were still closed. Big C on the other side was closed too.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2; 1195350]

[url]Http://www.healthlandspa.com/[/url]

And.

[url]http://www.thaioasis.com/mb/bkkdayspasoverview.php[/url]

(ref. King and I and others for your perusal) [/QUOTE]I highly recommend too the health land spa although I am only using them in Pattaya.

On a parallel street to Patpong I and II towards Jim Thomson shop there are many legit Thai traditional massage places for a lesser price.

[QUOTE=HarryDave; 1195418]Go to Google and enter Central World Bangkok. You'll get a nice page with a clickable map.

Or use this link (Central World is labeled "A")

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=central+world+Bangkok&hl=en&ll=13.747764, 100.539193&spn=0.024386, 0.038581&fb=1&gl=us&cid=0, 0.1081146155368973120&sqi=2&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks, use the map but couldn't see where Central World is located in relation to Sukhumvit? The best I could make out not knowing BKK is that it is near Lumpini Park which I believe is down from the US Embassy Wireless Road?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1195500]Thanks, use the map but couldn't see where Central World is located in relation to Sukhumvit? The best I could make out not knowing BKK is that it is near Lumpini Park which I believe is down from the US Embassy Wireless Road?

LBM[/QUOTE]I don't believe that you don't know where CW is. But then again, I have been wrong before. If you follow the road in front of CW and head southeast you will see the road turns in to Sukhumvit. Staring at Soi 1 and going up as you go south east. OTOH maybe you need a new pair of glasses. :)

Take BTS towards the SIAM Station. Get off at Chidlom Station (2nd Station from Nana). Walk same direction as BTS goes over upper sky walk and look to the right for Central World. OR get off at the SIAM Station and walk back towards Nana on the upper walk way and you'll come upon the entrance on the left to Central World. I personally find it easier to get off at Chidlom. ZEN side is closed with shops at that end but a good part of it is open and has been open.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1195516]I don't believe that you don't know where CW is. But then again, I have been wrong before. If you follow the road in front of CW and head southeast you will see the road turns in to Sukhumvit. Staring at Soi 1 and going up as you go south east. OTOH maybe you need a new pair of glasses. :)[/QUOTE]

Sometimes, it is hard for me to remember that I do not have to drink every drop of a beer I buy. A beer is kind of like a ticket to look at the girls. I know I could buy soft drinks, but they cost the same most of the time. However, I know find the more I drink, it becomes impossible to find a girl to me liking. See, when you got a girl and she has been bar fined. Its a double edge sword. Good in the fact that you are a free agent for the night. Bad in the fact, you really have no idea what might happen.

I have been on a terrible streak lately. I will give it a go sober next week.

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1195564]Sometimes, it is hard for me to remember that I do not have to drink every drop of a beer I buy. A beer is kind of like a ticket to look at the girls. I know I could buy soft drinks, but they cost the same most of the time. However, I know find the more I drink, it becomes impossible to find a girl to me liking. See, when you got a girl and she has been bar fined. Its a double edge sword. Good in the fact that you are a free agent for the night. Bad in the fact, you really have no idea what might happen.

I have been on a terrible streak lately. I will give it a go sober next week.[/QUOTE]Seriously, try it. I use to drink on my trips and stopped. I have a lot more fun now. Much better quality / quantity of sex. My O's are more intense, never make stupid mistakes and get ripped off.

Drink a Diet Coke. Noone really cares.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1195410]Since we are talking about Maps for Bangkok and not being a Bangkok guy. Anyone have any idea where Central World might be?

Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]What are you going to ask next. Where is Nana Plaza? Google is a wonderful invention.

[QUOTE=Freezone; 1195330]Anyone have a list of good but cheap traditional thai massages places (the ones without sex). Looking to relax with a few sessions on my next time in BKK. Massage places near a subway or train stations a plus.

Also what are the going rates these days for a thai massage and how much is an average tip afterwards.[/QUOTE]Near On Nut station, walking back toward Asok, on your right, a number of places for 100 / hour Thai massage. Tip is for extra service. No extra no tip. These places normally don't give extra. Unless you like man on man.

Tonight attended an old favourite dive karaoke again, for some reason. Walk past the Huay Khwang night market and keep going into the dark.

The usual assortment of dragons and runaways. I get a sharky vibe from the quite cute girl sitting with me and I check bin as soon as the first big beer is done.

Bill 400. Two beers, two girls. I only had one each. And they have "khanom" on the bill which I didn't order. Chase her to get mama, pay 250. More or less reasonable for a big beer while hugging a girl, a couple of songs and ice, but if you compare with 20 bare naked ladies at Cowboy, sadly does not compare.

Bangkok farang places are the best value. Tragic as it sounds.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1195606]Near On Nut station, walking back toward Asok, on your right, a number of places for 100 / hour Thai massage. Tip is for extra service. No extra no tip. These places normally don't give extra. Unless you like man on man.[/QUOTE]Meaning that these places are have all male massuse.

Somehow I'd feel better if they were women hands instead though, just my preference.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1195593]What are you going to ask next. Where is Nana Plaza? Google is a wonderful invention.[/QUOTE]Its a simple question, if ChiChiChi can ask what to pack and bring why not? Sure Google is a wonderful invention but like you not tech savy! When I used it I found the location but wanted to know in what relationship was its location to Sukhumvit and Nana Plaza which I definitely know and thanks to Duniawala and Jgmoo5 I got my bearing on CW. At least I know how to clip instead of quoting the whole report.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1195675]Its a simple question, if ChiChiChi can ask what to pack and bring why not? Sure Google is a wonderful invention but like you not tech savy! When I used it I found the location but wanted to know in what relationship was its location to Sukhumvit and Nana Plaza which I definitely know and thanks to Duniawala and Jgmoo5 I got my bearing on CW. At least I know how to clip instead of quoting the whole report.

LBM[/QUOTE]I can be pretty stupid sometimes. I just thought yours was an easy one to find since it is one of the largest markets in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1195690]I can be pretty stupid sometimes. I just thought yours was an easy one to find since it is one of the largest markets in Thailand.[/QUOTE]It might seem simple to others but when in Bangkok, there are two things I do and that is go to the US Embassy for business the other isn't shopping at places like CW, to me the biggest market is pussy that is all I know and care to know right now when it comes to BKK. Heh Heh.

LBM

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1195591]Seriously, try it. I use to drink on my trips and stopped. I have a lot more fun now. Much better quality / quantity of sex. My O's are more intense, never make stupid mistakes and get ripped off.

Drink a Diet Coke. Noone really cares.[/QUOTE]Really true, it is us westerners thinking we need to' drink "expensive", ie alcohol etc. As that is where in the western world the bar will take most of the revenues (and they do all over the world when you approach a bottle of red wine). I don't think it is much the case in Thailand where they probabili make more with iced tea.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1195713]It might seem simple to others but when in Bangkok, there are two things I do and that is go to the US Embassy for business the other isn't shopping at places like CW, to me the biggest market is pussy that is all I know and care to know right now when it comes to BKK. Heh Heh.

LBM[/QUOTE]We actually have something in common. Sorry for the slam.

Does anybody know if the montien@pat pong is guest friendly. If not any other hotels that are very close are?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1195944]Does anybody know if the montien@pat pong is guest friendly.[/QUOTE]Wasn't when I stayed there. Charged a fairly expensive guest fee.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1195944]Does anybody know if the montien@pat pong is guest friendly. If not any other hotels that are very close are?[/QUOTE]Just down 2 blocks is the Montien Hotel. This is also quite a classy hotel known for excellent service and spacious rooms. If you ever decide to stay there ask for a room facing Lumphini Park because each room comes with a balcony. You'll get an excellent view. The Montien is right at the entrance of Patpong sex district and bar girl friendly as well. It can't really get much better than that.


The above is a review from a site I searched. Looks GF, but as the other dude reported below, policy may have changed.

Email or call them to confirm.

Planning to visit LOS in about a couple of weeks.

Could any senior member recommend a bar or bars arround Sukhumvit (like bear garden) where one can found better quality (like some bars in Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza)

Any bars with good quality 'food' open in afternoon are a big plus.

Thanks

[QUOTE=David_33;1195959]Wasn't when I stayed there. Charged a fairly expensive guest fee.[/QUOTE]Stayed there a couple of years back. Then theny charged 1000B for guest. Even the Ramada Tawana nearby charges a guest fee.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1195944]Does anybody know if the montien@pat pong is guest friendly. If not any other hotels that are very close are?[/QUOTE]Le Meridien is a block away and does not charge for guests. There are great "mystery" deals on wotifdotcom for this hotel. Tonight, (11 Sept) , it is 3200 baht.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1195960]Just down 2 blocks is the Montien Hotel. This is also quite a classy hotel known for excellent service and spacious rooms. If you ever decide to stay there ask for a room facing Lumphini Park because each room comes with a balcony. You'll get an excellent view. The Montien is right at the entrance of Patpong sex district and bar girl friendly as well. It can't really get much better than that.

The above is a review from a site I searched. Looks GF, but as the other dude reported below, policy may have changed.

Email or call them to confirm.[/QUOTE]There is a bar / pool hall at the Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel between soi 13 and 15. About a couple of hundred feet before 15. Not much of pick up joint though bar girls can be persuaded sometimes.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1195944]Does anybody know if the montien@pat pong is guest friendly. If not any other hotels that are very close are?[/QUOTE]I've stayed at the Montien about 10 times over the years and its a nice hotel but not at all GF, joiner fees will be added, I've also tried the Tawana Ramada just down the road also OK, cheaper than Moty but also not GF, There is also the Rose hotel in the area I'm not sure if its GF, the Wall St Inn in Patpong itself is GF but a bit less quailty, I would recomend the Motien to anyone but I don't usually take bar girls back to my hotel when I'm in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1196250]Non sex massage place located all over the place.

Hint: take an unsightly woman as they won't be disappointed when you decline their sexual advances. LOL. And theyll be happy whatever tip you give them.[/QUOTE]True, from what I remember on my last visit there several years ago, but trying to get some info on just which ones are the better ones be / see I remember using one before and the massage was terrible. No way that woman was ever trained in traditional massage, more like a light rub. Total waste of money and time.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1196600]True, from what I remember on my last visit there several years ago, but trying to get some info on just which ones are the better ones be / see I remember using one before and the massage was terrible. No way that woman was ever trained in traditional massage, more like a light rub. Total waste of money and time.[/QUOTE]This what I think about Thai Traditional massages. I had maybe nearly a thousand massages when it comes to Thailand many are self taught by other providers. The government also has a program that is free to train Thais they do get a certificate when they are done this doesn't include foot massage training and the training is one week. I myself has been ask where is the best place and like bars P4P that is a very hard question to answer since from my experience even the biggest name places doesn't mean you are going to get a great massage. Some like it hard some like it light? Because in the end it is the provider that makes the place. I have made recommendation for others to find out later that it was okay for them, was the shop the blame, no it was they didn't get the right provider that I normally use and even if they did maybe the style I like isn't the style for them.

Not traditional, I once told a friend if you need a BBBJ, go see this person at this shop, she is the best suck I ever had, she would take your liitle head deep throat it to the end, absorb your balls in her mouth and roll them around and around until your eyeballs turn white. I had many tell me thanks for the tip, but this friend came back and said " it was okay my wife BBBJ is much better " now his wife isn't much to look at but I had a new found respect for her and she look much better after he told me that. I feel the same about straight Thai massages it is all hit and miss when it comes to only the shop?

LBM

Hey fella's I've been in & out of Phuket mostly 3 trips many months. I'm looking to play & pay in BKK & Pattaya.

Any recommendations on where to stay, in either BKK or Pattaya (I want to plant in one place for a month) for very easy access to plenty of women?

Strippers, clubs, good bar girls, discos, students.

Apartment or hotel. Budget on the month stay I want to keep around $800

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1192639]I was in the mood to go to some 'high-class place' and so hit Spasso a month or so back. Great looking girls who can speak English. Like some of the punters mentioned, they are not your 19-20 yr olds but girls in their late 20's and early 30's.[/QUOTE]McMaiden, Here's a belated thank you for a good report. It's a pity that the price police are all over posts like yours, as it discourages people from posting honestly about places like Spasso's and CM2. My prediction: You will never see a report on this site about Exclusive Bangkok Excorts (short time up to 12,000 Baht) even though several here have probably availed themselves of their services.

[QUOTE=Prince007;1191691]I had major fun during my short stay in Bangkok this past weekend (reports to follow). However, the downer was that Insomnia was closed on Saturday night. I went there after making rounds in Nana plaza with the intention of ending my night at Insomnia (and maybe picking up a stunner there). But that wasn't meant to be. I was told that the closure is permanent (for now) and was a result of the new political bodies in Thailand (and Bangkok). Such a shame![/QUOTE]This is terrible news if it is closed. I was including that in my plans for my next trip because it was a highlight of my last trip (see my last trip report post).

In the past, if I one was away from this forum for a while, upon their return they would find the new Bangkok pages / posts would always out number the new Pattaya pages / posts made. But recently I have noticed the exact oppisite.

So what is going on? Are punters now avoiding Bangkok and heading straight to Pattaya more often? Has mongering in Bangkok deteriated that much?

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1198393]In the past, if I one was away from this forum for a while, upon their return they would find the new Bangkok pages / posts would always out number the new Pattaya pages / posts made. But recently I have noticed the exact oppisite.

So what is going on? Are punters now avoiding Bangkok and heading straight to Pattaya more often? Has mongering in Bangkok deteriated that much?[/QUOTE]I like the other places, but BKK is still my #1 mongering spot. It is the entire experience for me. Girls, infrastructure, food, malls, great hotels, other things to do.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1198484]I like the other places, but BKK is still my #1 mongering spot. It is the entire experience for me. Girls, infrastructure, food, malls, great hotels, other things to do.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. Bangkok is a great Asian city offering up the variety of venues, great restaurants, interesting neighborhoods, and culture you just can't find anywhere else. It is the big Mango. Pattaya is amazing, but in the end, it is just a resort town with a ton of women and a polluted beach. It is a good place to go when you need a break from Bangkok.

Cornelius B. Spielberger shows us the way.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Y1-i-xTdQ[/url]

Love,

Susu

Gents,

I went to P. I. Angeles and Manila cities in May 2011, for the experiences after all Bangkok visits.

For the shake of comparasions, Bangkok is hand down my Top choice No Brainer.

The Bangkok M. P. Is always amazing things to Me and I just Can't Not have

Enough of that. Girls and MP. Scenes You can find everwhere on Earth.

However, in Bangkok they make it just So Good. And plenty.

For a Good measure, I shall be back to visit Bangkok in November. 2011.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1197561]McMaiden, Here's a belated thank you for a good report. It's a pity that the price police are all over posts like yours, as it discourages people from posting honestly about places like Spasso's and CM2. My prediction: You will never see a report on this site about Exclusive Bangkok Excorts (short time up to 12,000 Baht) even though several here have probably availed themselves of their services.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tiny12. I just report what I saw / did. This is a forum after all and people can have their opinions. If I don't like it, I ignore it. Otherwise, I try and learn from it.

Next night too, I went to Spasso and hooked up with a girl for 4000B. Have to say the first night was a lot better although I paid more.

Spasso's is like Brix in Singapore, BATS at Jakarta etc. Maybe a bit more classier than BATS? As I said, its a good place to go with an expense account and chat with girls, have a few drinks in a relaxed atmosphere without the tensions of a go-go where people push you for drinks, lady-drinks etc. I enjoyed the place and will go there next time I am in BKK too.

MM

[QUOTE=Monopoly;1198393]Has mongering in Bangkok deteriated that much?[/QUOTE]It depends on your budget! IMO, BKK still has the best looking girls in all of Thailand. But that doesn't come without a price. If you can drop $100-$400 easily on a girl then BKK is still the place to be. If you're into the $20-$60 range, forget it.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1198570]It depends on your budget! IMO, BKK still has the best looking girls in all of Thailand. But that doesn't come without a price. If you can drop $100-$400 easily on a girl then BKK is still the place to be. If you're into the $20-$60 range, forget it.[/QUOTE]The most you have to pay for a good looking girl is 3000 baht.

The not so pretty ones can easily be picked up for 1000 baht.

And then there is all sorts of variations in the middle of those pricing bands.

There are always fools willing to pay more for something that is just the same, as they say, a fool and his money are soon parted.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1198570]It depends on your budget! IMO, BKK still has the best looking girls in all of Thailand. But that doesn't come without a price. If you can drop $100-$400 easily on a girl then BKK is still the place to be. If you're into the $20-$60 range, forget it.[/QUOTE]There is always going to be discussion on prices.

Those on low budgets will resent paying more than Baht 1000 S / T; those on high budgets will be happy with Baht 4000 for the same girl / same service.

Me, I am lucky enough to to be able to afford to pay Baht 2000 for a girl and avoid all the hassles of sordid negotiations over what Baht 1000 includes.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1198570]It depends on your budget! IMO, BKK still has the best looking girls in all of Thailand. But that doesn't come without a price. If you can drop $100-$400 easily on a girl then BKK is still the place to be. If you're into the $20-$60 range, forget it.[/QUOTE]Here we go again. You are quoting Vegas prices at $100-400.

Where in the heck are you mongering?

You can get very nice looking girls in BKK who are GFE for less than $60. I have done it many, many times.

[quote=littlebigman; 1196653]this what i think about thai traditional massages. i had maybe nearly a thousand massages when it comes to thailand many are self taught by other providers. the government also has a program that is free to train thais they do get a certificate when they are done this doesn't include foot massage training and the training is one week. i myself has been ask where is the best place and like bars p4p that is a very hard question to answer since from my experience even the biggest name places doesn't mean you are going to get a great massage. some like it hard some like it light? because in the end it is the provider that makes the place. i have made recommendation for others to find out later that it was okay for them, was the shop the blame, no it was they didn't get the right provider that i normally use and even if they did maybe the style i like isn't the style for them.

not traditional, i once told a friend if you need a bbbj, go see this person at this shop, she is the best suck i ever had, she would take your liitle head deep throat it to the end, absorb your balls in her mouth and roll them around and around until your eyeballs turn white. i had many tell me thanks for the tip, but this friend came back and said " it was okay my wife bbbj is much better " now his wife isn't much to look at but i had a new found respect for her and she look much better after he told me that. i feel the same about straight thai massages it is all hit and miss when it comes to only the shop?

lbm[/quote]my personal favorite for a traditional is the lets relax spa in the upper sukhumvit's and i even have a regular therapist by the name of arunee. they have a special package which is a 2 hr traditional massage combined with a prior 45 minute foot massage and last time i remember paying approx 1, 000 baht for it. for me i try and get down for a session atleast 3 times if i'm staying like 5 to 7 days. after the week is over i feel like i'm walking on the clouds.

as lbm said you need to find a therapist that takes the time to understand your body and then give up complete control of your body to them. trust me its well worth it!

cheers,

jss

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1198622]Here we go again. You are quoting Vegas prices at $100-400.

Where in the heck are you mongering?

You can get very nice looking girls in BKK who are GFE for less than $60. I have done it many, many times.[/QUOTE]Exactly. If I wanted to pay those kind of prices I would have stayed in the US!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1198570]If you can drop $100-$400 easily on a girl then BKK is still the place to be. If you're into the $20-$60 range, forget it.[/QUOTE]$400 should get you a 4-star hotel, a decent dinner, drinks at the club, the girl for the night, the girl's sister for a threesone, a 2-hr massage the next day, and a couple of custom made shirts. And, you should have change left over!

$20 (+ just a little more) will get you a blowjob at the Star of Light. $60 (+) will get you a three hole experience at Tulip. It's a no brainer.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1198570]It depends on your budget! IMO, BKK still has the best looking girls in all of Thailand. But that doesn't come without a price. If you can drop $100-$400 easily on a girl then BKK is still the place to be. If you're into the $20-$60 range, forget it.[/QUOTE]400 $$$. Can get you the best girls almost anywhere in the world, why come to LOS for that.

30$ gets you a 2 shots-short time.

60$ gets you a 3 holes no barred experience (you got to look at the right places (like tulip).

Gosh do not spoil this market please!

[quote=jerseyshoresun; 1198695]my personal favorite for a traditional is the lets relax spa in the upper sukhumvit's and i even have a regular therapist by the name of arunee. they have a special package which is a 2 hr traditional massage combined with a prior 45 minute foot massage and last time i remember paying approx 1, 000 baht for it. for me i try and get down for a session atleast 3 times if i'm staying like 5 to 7 days. after the week is over i feel like i'm walking on the clouds.

as lbm said you need to find a therapist that takes the time to understand your body and then give up complete control of your body to them. trust me its well worth it!

cheers,

jss[/quote]at least two times a week i go to my regular place that i have been visiting for over 2 years. it is a local shop in a thai area with 3 ladies plus the current owner. i no longer use one particular lady since it is a small shop so i don't get attach to just one because majority of the time they end up leaving. so i rotate and the owner usually give tips to the ladies as to what my preferrence are.

nothing fancy but thai prices 100 baht for a thai massage for 1 hour. i go for no less that 2 hours at a time, sometimes depending on the provider i go for a foot massage 150 baht a hour then go for another 1 hour thai massage. my place is for 2 hour thai massage 200 baht i tip 100 baht = 300 baht, foot massage 1 hour =150 baht tip 50 baht = 200 baht.

whatever you price range you want to pay i firmly believe i wouldn't be able to walk if it wasn't for the massage i get here. you got to love this place just for the massages?

lbm

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1198795]$400 should get you a 4-star hotel, a decent dinner, drinks at the club, the girl for the night, the girl's sister for a threesone, a 2-hr massage the next day, and a couple of custom made shirts. And, you should have change left over!

$20 (+ just a little more) will get you a blowjob at the Star of Light. $60 (+) will get you a three hole experience at Tulip. It's a no brainer.[/QUOTE]Amen! A no brainer!

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1197500&viewfull=1#post1197500[/url]

Are these prices ligit or for locals? 300B. 800B. Seems rather cheap for Bangkok. I have haggled prices down to 8ooB on Sukhumvit, soi 5, not without a bit of a sulk from the provider.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1198910]Is there a sports bar near Sukhumvit or the riverside that shows the NFL games? Thanks.[/QUOTE]They all have the channel. I really don't know any that cater to an NFL audience, also the 1pm NFL games start at 1am here. The bar would close at half time.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1198910]Is there a sports bar near Sukhumvit or the riverside that shows the NFL games? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Maybe the Tavern on Soi 4.

Google: Sports bars near Sukhumvit. It will give sites showing that there are numerous locations.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1199143]Google: Sports bars near Sukhumvit. It will give sites showing that there are numerous locations.[/QUOTE]I just used Mr. E's most excellent link to SoiDB, the real estate web site but it is realy much more than that and very usefull in many more ways and a search returned many sports bars:

[url]http://www.soidb.com/en/bangkok/g_result.html?cx=partner-pub-8451482119501410[/url]%3Amx4vx0y6b2l&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=sports+[url]bar&sa=Search&siteurl=www.soidb.com[/url]%2Fen%2Fbangkok%2Findex. Html#1151

Arrived into Bangkok early morning and checked into MADUZI by 8am, wanted to sleep till noon and then start with Nana barber shop with a shave and take it from there. But woke up after a short Nap around 9:30, shower and went out thought of having a real oil massage to relax before going to Nana hotel, walking from soi Asok to Nana found almost all the places closed at 10:30, Nana hotel saloon not yet open, went to soi 11, just before the big 7/11 opp. To ambassador hotel, was a massage place (don't remember the name) with foot massage chairs in the ground floor, an elderly lady doing the foot massage to the customer. Entered the place, she asks me foot massage and before I answer she call out and from the back of the shop comes an attractive lady, very good looking, seeing her I thought why not a oil massage and I was mentioned 400 per hour 700 to two, I opted for the one hour and she leads me to the first floor, rooms with proper massage tables, two tables per room, I think I saw 4 room, all rooms partitioned but not to the ceiling, doors without locks etc. Seems to be authentic massage place.

The lady in a pinkish pants and buttoned shirt uniform Hands me a towel and asks to undress and lie face down, she leaves the room and stands outside the door in the corridor (this is something I find amazing, she knows very well during the course of the massage she would see me naked. So why this modesty?) I undress and lie down, she has been watching this, she immediately knocks on the door and comes in and starts an very good oil massage very relaxing, no hanky panky or accidental touches, after about 40 mins asks me to turnover, covers with the towel and starts the massage. I start chatting to her and come to know her Name: Nyo, for udon. 21 years, worked a beauty salon for ladies for 3 years in Bangkok, now closed, moved here. 4.11ft 49KG etc. When she start the upper thigh massage, Jr. Gets into full erecting creating a tent which she ignores.

With about 10mins left, she asks if I would like to extend and have a 2 hour massage if I have time, I mention that I will be going to Nana Salon for a shave down there, she mentions that she can do it, I ask her if they do it here and if she has experience, she mentions that the lady doing foot massage does it almost daily, but she has done only for the ladies at her previous salon, and she would be very careful, asked how much she says you extend the massage by one more hour and you tip if happy. Ask here what she uses for shave (as I didn't want to risk if she uses the straight cut throat type of Razor) , she goes out and returns with a Gillette venues lady razor, I say OK let go with it.

She goes out mentioning she need to get the shave gel and warm water and t-shirt (wondering shy) as she leaves the room, I get up, pull a 500B from my pants, lie down, cover back with the towel and place the 500 on the towel, she come back with a small tube full of warm water and gel, pull a stool from under the massage table, places the warm water on the stool, and then looks at the 500B and asks what, I say tip for you, for the first time I see a big smile on her face, says thank you and places a kiss on the cheek. Rather a totally changed lady in secs, closes the door, as there in no lock, she pulls the other stool and keeps it against the door so as not to open,

Turns her back to me, removes her uniform, but still in her bra and panties, puts on her long t-shirt, which is almost reaching to her thighs, removes the towel, sits on the massage table with folded legs and pulls me up in her lap and really does a very good job making sure it feels like a baby, which she mentions, by now the Jr. Has been erect for the past 15mins and she has been holding it with the other hand and adjusting to make sure it doesn't come in her way. She gets of the table and says good OK, I mention what about the ass, she says ah ok you want there, asks me to turn around and get into doggy position and does a good work running here fingers around and making sure the AH is hair free, all this takes about 30 mins, still in doggy position I ask her still 30 mins what else, she says massage, and says no special her, asks me to lie down, I say can you massage there pointing to the AH, she puts oil on her hands and starts a nice ass massage which felt as good as riming, then without mentioning start a HJ with the other hand and finishes in a few mins, mentions not to tell the boss, cleans up with the towel, no showers here, dress up and leave.

I think ball shaving is available most of the places, I think we have to ask.

[QUOTE=Member #2453;1199257]I think ball shaving is available most of the places, I think we have to ask.[/QUOTE]I never got my balls shaved before? I'm just curious why someone would do it? I'm not knocking it, just wonder why?

Thanks,

Chims.

[QUOTE=Member #2453; 1199257]

I think ball shaving is available most of the places, I think we have to ask.[/QUOTE]I too have to ask about why you would do this? And more importantly, what happens once you start to get some stubble growing back? I got a shave in a hospital once (and they go waaaaay overboard about the area they shave compared to the location of the surgery) and when it started to grow back the itch from the stubble drove me crazy. Once you go down this path, I think you're committed to maintaining shaved status (or going through a period of misery as the hair first starts to grow back.)

[QUOTE=Tucker McElroy;1199338]I too have to ask about why you would do this? And more importantly, what happens once you start to get some stubble growing back? I got a shave in a hospital once (and they go waaaaay overboard about the area they shave compared to the location of the surgery) and when it started to grow back the itch from the stubble drove me crazy. Once you go down this path, I think you're committed to maintaining shaved status (or going through a period of misery as the hair first starts to grow back.)[/QUOTE]Yep, once you start shaving you better continue or go though a period of some itching, although it is not so bad as you make it sound.

I have shaved down there for many years and it just feels good. The ladies like it when sucking, just the same as I like a less hairy environment when going down on her.

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1199329]I never got my balls shaved before? I'm just curious why someone would do it? I'm not knocking it, just wonder why?

Thanks,

Chims.[/QUOTE]It looks cleaner and the girls like to lick and suck on a clean / smooth ball sack.

[QUOTE=Tucker McElroy;1199338]I too have to ask about why you would do this? And more importantly, what happens once you start to get some stubble growing back? I got a shave in a hospital once (and they go waaaaay overboard about the area they shave compared to the location of the surgery) and when it started to grow back the itch from the stubble drove me crazy. Once you go down this path, I think you're committed to maintaining shaved status (or going through a period of misery as the hair first starts to grow back.)[/QUOTE]I shave every other day. Cock, balls, taint, and ass. Girls like it and are more apt to lick. Just looks cleaner and nicer. Having a forest down there is pretty nasty. Just do it. They will appreciate it!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1199427]I shave every other day. Cock, balls, taint, and ass. Girls like it and are more apt to lick. Just looks cleaner and nicer. Having a forest down there is pretty nasty. Just do it. They will appreciate it![/QUOTE]LOL. I actually think I look pretty good naked with the pubes nicely trimmed. I like to keep a 5 o clock shadow on my face and my ex girlfriends use to hate kissing me unless I shaved because it was pokey! If she didn't like kissing me because of the stubble, why would a girl want to go down there for even more stubble? Man, I use to shave my legs in high school for football cause of the spat and I use to get carried away and go all the way up to the top of my legs. Boy did I regret this, my inner thighs would get so itchy man cause of the rubbing man! I think I'm done with the shaving experiments for life LOL!

[QUOTE=Member #2453; 1199257]Arrived into Bangkok early morning and checked into MADUZI by 8am, .

She goes out mentioning she need to get the shave gel and warm water and t-shirt (wondering shy) as she leaves the room, I get up, pull a 500B from my pants, lie down, cover back with the towel and place the 500 on the towel, she come back with a small tube full of warm water and gel, pull a stool from under the massage table, places the warm water on the stool, and then looks at the 500B and asks what, I say tip for you, for the first time I see a big smile on her face, says thank you and places a kiss on the cheek. Rather a totally changed lady in secs, closes the door, as there in no lock, she pulls the other stool and keeps it against the door so as not to open,

Turns her back to me, removes her uniform, but still in her bra and panties, puts on her long t-shirt, which is almost reaching to her thighs, removes the towel, sits on the massage table with folded legs and pulls me up in her lap and really does a very good job making sure it feels like a baby, which she mentions, by now the Jr. Has been erect for the past 15mins and she has been holding it with the other hand and adjusting to make sure it doesn't come in her way. She gets of the table and says good OK, I mention what about the ass, she says ah ok you want there, asks me to turn around and get into doggy position and does a good work running here fingers around and making sure the AH is hair free, all this takes about 30 mins, still in doggy position I ask her still 30 mins what else, she says massage, and says no special her, asks me to lie down, I say can you massage there pointing to the AH, she puts oil on her hands and starts a nice ass massage which felt as good as riming, then without mentioning start a HJ with the other hand and finishes in a few mins, mentions not to tell the boss, cleans up with the towel, no showers here, dress up and leave.

I think ball shaving is available most of the places, I think we have to ask.[/QUOTE]Excellent report mate. I always wanted a clean area down there, but it seems shaving isn't my cup of tea.

I have been on the lookout for Waxing. I have been asked for ridiculous prices (1200-1500) Bahts for a boyzilian (brazilian waxing for men). Finally I got a salon on Phrom phong. Vana Spa. Right next to 7-11 to do it for me for 1200 Bahts. I personally find waxing to have a more smoother feel than shaving and it takes longer for the hair to grow back. It feels almost like baby skin soft.

Boyzilian waxing is available but at higher costs (than many countries) in many salons. I heard from one the WGs that in soi33 they do it for 300-400 for girls, so maybe I should try that as well. Maybe some salon will agree to do it for men as well.

Requesting any info on Brazilian / Boyzilian waxing on the cheap. (would like to get it done every month)

And yes, it helps to have a better experience because girls are more receptive to molesting you with their tongues and hands when there is no visible obstruction!

I agree it does look better, I use the norelco body groomer and the ladies over here in Japan love it. They giggle and run their hands over to feel it, but all in all most compliment the neat appearance. Just my 2cents.

Quick report on EZMassage. Don't normally post reports but had such a good time here thought it only decent.

Went along on Tuesday afternoon having prebooked on the website before getting into BKK. Had two hours with May followed by two hours with Aiko. Two gorgeous girls. Their photos on the website are accurate even accounting for the studio quality.

Prices exactly as per website and no extras needing to be paid.

Place itself was fine, tucked away among a series of similar establishments on that soi and everyone friendly and welcoming. I had been in regular contact by email before arriving and got exactly what I asked for.

Time spent was one of the best I've had in ages. Aiko was beautiful, great company and very capable, whilst May was much more naughty, flirty and mischievous. Both great girls and great service without restrictions.

I had been to Nataree in the morning and was very dissapointed by the number and quality of girls available. One was lovely looking but seemed to be a bit clueless about why she was there or how it all worked. Got there in the end but felt a bit school teachery! So EZMassage was great by comparison.

On the way out walked onto Soi 24 and got beckoned in by a late twenties lady for massage at 400 baht for an hour. Seemed to be a hairdresser-cum-massage place with younger looking girls round 20ish. Would have been rude to say no so ended my trip to Soi 24 very happy.

On balance, would recommend both Aiko and May without blinking and would happily pay more than I did to see them. Go visit.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1199460]Excellent report mate. I always wanted a clean area down there, but it seems shaving isn't my cup of tea.

I have been on the lookout for Waxing. I have been asked for ridiculous prices (1200-1500) Bahts for a boyzilian (brazilian waxing for men). Finally I got a salon on Phrom phong. Vana Spa. Right next to 7-11 to do it for me for 1200 Bahts. I personally find waxing to have a more smoother feel than shaving and it takes longer for the hair to grow back. It feels almost like baby skin soft.

Boyzilian waxing is available but at higher costs (than many countries) in many salons. I heard from one the WGs that in soi33 they do it for 300-400 for girls, so maybe I should try that as well. Maybe some salon will agree to do it for men as well.

Requesting any info on Brazilian / Boyzilian waxing on the cheap. (would like to get it done every month)

And yes, it helps to have a better experience because girls are more receptive to molesting you with their tongues and hands when there is no visible obstruction![/QUOTE]We are a vain lot! .

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1199460]Excellent report mate. I always wanted a clean area down there, but it seems shaving isn't my cup of tea.

I have been on the lookout for Waxing. I have been asked for ridiculous prices (1200-1500) Bahts for a boyzilian (brazilian waxing for men). Finally I got a salon on Phrom phong. Vana Spa. Right next to 7-11 to do it for me for 1200 Bahts. I personally find waxing to have a more smoother feel than shaving and it takes longer for the hair to grow back. It feels almost like baby skin soft.

Boyzilian waxing is available but at higher costs (than many countries) in many salons. I heard from one the WGs that in soi33 they do it for 300-400 for girls, so maybe I should try that as well. Maybe some salon will agree to do it for men as well.[/QUOTE]Looks we are all of a suddeninto it! LOL.

Had mine too a few days ago at Nana, first timer, and so far the sensation is good.

Have to see how it develops (grows) frpm what I read here.

Never mind I'll be back there shortly. Maybe a recap will do.

Talking about waxing the lady at the Nana parlour (go inside the hotel, pass reception, there is ony one MP, opposite the lifts) offered the waxing.

I did not take the option as eing already the first time on shaving, did not want to overdo, so did not check the price.

I added, don't want to have pain, is there any pain?"A little" she answered.

The shving was done with a razor (better do not look at it for your peace of mind) , and conducted in a very perfect way both front and back.

Ended up with baby powder to smoothen the skin.

No happy endings or so as was not keen at that moment.

Read here it can happen if one choses a full masage lady (seems the one I had is the "shaving" lady: not in her twenties, she still has a nice and slim body)

Damage wsa 400 naht and a 100 tip I left as she worked like having a feather in her hands, not a sharp blade! (jokingly I said I need a shaving, not a cutting!)

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1198869][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1197500&viewfull=1#post1197500[/url]

Are these prices legit or for locals? 300B. 800B. Seems rather cheap for Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's targeted at lo-so Thais, but girls aren't picky (most of them have seen a white dick before and apparently can say "go with you" in English, if not much else). South of Rachadamnoen is the lowest-grade streetwalker area in Bangkok (perhaps in addition to Yaowarat). Doesn't mean that the girls look bad, just that the places are dirty, the service is so-so (although in Thailand, it's seldom truly bad). Speaking Thai is a plus, but not required. Not everyone's cup of tea, anyway, but good to have it on the record for the more adventurous. ST hotels in the area seem to be a bit reluctant about Farang, I guess somebody made a mess at one point...

[QUOTE=Noddy;1198869]I have haggled prices down to 8ooB on Sukhumvit, soi 5, not without a bit of a sulk from the provider.[/QUOTE]

Kudos for negotiating. Many people disparage it, but for us [I]frequent fliers[/I] It's necessary.

In my experience, pushing girls [I]under the going rate[/I] is usually a bad idea. Instead, I usually agree on the going rate (which is 1000 baht on Soi 5) or slightly higher (1200), but [B]negotiate more service[/B]. Normally, I ask for 2 shots, which filters out the ones not willing to put in the time. [B]Anchoring[/B] Is a good tactic as well. If you're the first to say "1000 baht", and then you agree on 1200, she'd be much happier than if she opened with 1500 (or 2000) , and you then agreed on 1200 (or even 1500).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1199776]Yes, it's targeted at lo-so Thais, but girls aren't picky (most of them have seen a white dick before and apparently can say "go with you" in English, if not much else). South of Rachadamnoen is the lowest-grade streetwalker area in Bangkok (perhaps in addition to Yaowarat). Doesn't mean that the girls look bad, just that the places are dirty, the service is so-so (although in Thailand, it's seldom truly bad). Speaking Thai is a plus, but not required. Not everyone's cup of tea, anyway, but good to have it on the record for the more adventurous. ST hotels in the area seem to be a bit reluctant about Farang, I guess somebody made a mess at one point.[/QUOTE]I'll only be able to fool around in the afternoon this time in BKK and would like to try the streetwalkers (had great service from a pretty SW at Nana once, but late at night) , because I find this more exciting, less mechanical than MPs, with less dolled-up girls (although more risky, std wise? I always use condoms though, but sometimes they break).

I have read about Petchaburi road SW (quite convenient from my location) , and now this "South of Rachadamnoen" area. I also went to Chinatown once, near the Texas parlour, and there were very few street girls, not too hot.

What would be a good area to explore during daytime?

Thanks!

Between Soi 3 and 5 on Sukhumvit, very near Nana, there are girls all hours, and some katoeys also, but a few diamonds in the rough.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1199818]Between Soi 3 and 5 on Sukhumvit, very near Nana, there are girls all hours, and some katoeys also, but a few diamonds in the rough.[/QUOTE]500-800B is the general price there.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1199627]Looks we are all of a suddeninto it! LOL.

Had mine too a few days ago at Nana, first timer, and so far the sensation is good.

Have to see how it develops (grows) frpm what I read here.

Never mind I'll be back there shortly. Maybe a recap will do.

Talking about waxing the lady at the Nana parlour (go inside the hotel, pass reception, there is ony one MP, opposite the lifts) offered the waxing.

I did not take the option as eing already the first time on shaving, did not want to overdo, so did not check the price.

I added, don't want to have pain, is there any pain?"A little" she answered.

The shving was done with a razor (better do not look at it for your peace of mind) , and conducted in a very perfect way both front and back.

Ended up with baby powder to smoothen the skin.

No happy endings or so as was not keen at that moment.

Read here it can happen if one choses a full masage lady (seems the one I had is the "shaving" lady: not in her twenties, she still has a nice and slim body)

Damage wsa 400 naht and a 100 tip I left as she worked like having a feather in her hands, not a sharp blade! (jokingly I said I need a shaving, not a cutting!) [/QUOTE]First of all thanks for letting me feel that I was not just alone into it! LOL

I was getting a feel that I maybe the oddball out.

I know a few guys from work, who do that regularly (that is how I got into it). So maybe it is just kept under wraps. But interestingly most guys get into it when nudged by their GFs and wives! My first time I did it because my Ex wanted me to give it a try, but I so so loved the baby skin feel that I got hooked.

SO, I was saying that waxing definitely feels much better than shaving, except for the initial pain, but once over you and your partner get 2-3 weeks of pure bliss.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1200064]Thia report just doesn't sound credible. LOL![/QUOTE]I concur. 4 hours in that shithole, and this guy would have gladly paid more.

Well I lost a few pages report so this is the executive summary :S.

Did have a shave in "Friends hair cut and massage" not the "Friends barber" for 200 bht, then oil massage for 450bht. They don't shave down. Owner of the place is super hot tall Thai lady in her 40s, but total legit place.

Nana barber did the shave down. 500 bht + 100 bht tip. I read the report down and I know I was screwed.

Garden beer for beef burger, veal sausage and beer. 460 bht.

Most ladies 3-5, I spotted 2 7ish girls.

Foot massage@Sweet Massage next to Lexus show room.

200bht and 100bht for the lady, she was very pleasant quite lady.

Spotted a solid 8. 5 girl, if she got pair of Cs she would be 9 and with main-padi and nice dress she would be my next wife.

Changing hotels and enjoying a siesta.

Hit Nana Entertainment again around 10pm.

Spanky bar.

Good vibe, nice selection of petite beauties and meaty ones (which I like)

Shower on the side is a nice addition.

Couple of girls were naked plus the shower girl. Rest were topless.

Smoking allowed. Vodka orange for 145bht.

Angel witch:

More selection of the same collection of petite girls only. Dressed in boots and bikinis, let their boobs wonder outside.

3 shows I attended, Indian one and another one with 2 girls and drinks trolley. They played Arabic pop song which I know as I'm an Arab, I found it funny.

Smoking allowed. Vodka orange for 150bht.

Rainbow4:

Too big, sitting on the couches won't be close to see the girls.

No smoking. Vodka orange for 145bht.

Same boots of angle witch!

Nice variety of girls, topless on the left dance floor, and in bikinis on the right one.

#15 stunning beauty with great ass. #29 Tall beauty but her looks got attitude. #197 cutest angle.

Group of Japanese guys took 15 & 197 after few minutes.

Las Vegas:

Best setup, Good viewing position, but empty. So waitress are in good spirit, smiling, singing and moving with the music.

Good selection of girls. #18 packed nice boobs.

Vodka orange for 145bht (can't remember)

On the way out, I decided why not to check one of the ladyboys places, I like the view of them but would never take one. LB not my thing.

Entered temptations, one old guy inside and looked totally wasted. Some dancers just stood still on the bar. 2 on the opposite couch kept blinking at me. I had to fake a call and runaway.

Moved to soi cowboy around 1:00 1:30am.

Baccara:

Great selection of beauties of different tastes. Best music system and songs.

Arrived with girls in green bikinis dancing, then another team of black and golden bikinis replaced them.

Great view from the glass roof on girls dancing above, not wearing panties and were topless with considerable boobs. My neck was going stiff.

Vodka orange for 160bht.

Suzy Wong:

Girls inside were topless, but very slow so I left. It seems I came too late.

Decided to go home.

Walked back to Athenee plaza.

Spotted some nice free lancers around hotel Faumchit.

Couple of Africans opposite soi 9.

Then the usual crowed and mix of ladyboys, mature ladies and cuties around nana.

Damn, I'm still mad about loosing this detailed report, but believe me. This is better as the other was many pages long with no sex happening.

Tomorrow I start work so will be back to action after all the colleagues leave.

But now thinking to go to Pattaya as I do prefer it over Bangkok.

Will see.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Oidar;1200209]I concur. 4 hours in that shithole, and this guy would have gladly paid more.[/QUOTE]What is it that has made so many guys try EZMassage? Do guys mostly get sucked in when intending to enter Mango?

I gather EZ is seriously no competition?

I went to visit my favourite girls that I have often taken together from Sheba in Soi Cowboy. Was disappointed, as Noi, Naam, and Yao were all not there. Many of the remaining girls looked too young. No one really took my fancy. This is a bit poor for a Saturday night, but previous experiences at Sheba have been fun.

Went back to Suzi Wong instead looking for some pseudo-lesbians. Bow and Dteuan were not there but the place was rather crowded, more crowded than I have expereinced before. I was just in time for the lesbian show. I pondered what has made this place even more popular just recently. Two things have changed that I could detect and both don't reflect very well on the types of customers.

1. Some of the weird Pat Pong style shows have arrived here. Not too excessively ugly, thankly, but now have the "flowers on a string come out of the pussy" show, ping pong balls show, beer bottle show, and maybe something else. Thankfully no shoot the balloons, blow the trumpet, pussy smoking, or writing message shows. They still have the silly smelly fire show though.

2. Seem to be a lot of very suspiciously young looking girls these days, although not specially pretty to my taste.

As my favourites were missing, I selected tall Aew from the lesbian show and also tiny Dtom who I knew already. After they had done their shows, it was back to my hotel. Naturally lots of kissing, licking, sucking, fucking, groping, etc. followed. The girls were quite into each other and seemed to spontaneously kiss and molest each other or lick the other's pussy, etc. without me asking them to do these things. So a really good time had by all it seemed. Having two tongues (girl's tongues) is better than just one, not to mention two pussies to play with.

Asking Dtom, which girl at SW was the best licker, she had to admit it was probably herself, due to her enthusiasm and experience. Her BJ was pretty good too. Very tight pussy too. She is so little.

Aew was a bit dting dtong, but really into sex with a big appetite for it, and stamina. Reckon she could go for hours and several shots. Aew was smoothly shaved and Dtom had a nicely styled and trimmed short shaped diamond. I don't like long hairy pussies.

For guys wanting 2 or more girls, I recommend selecting girls that really like each other out of the Suzi Wong lesbian shows. Long ago tried Eden but the performance there seemed rather fake and mechanical (and most Eden girls are not that pretty).

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1200446]What is it that has made so many guys try EZMassage? Do guys mostly get sucked in when intending to enter Mango?

I gather EZ is seriously no competition?[/QUOTE]No, it is the website. I will be the first to admit I have rubbed one out looking at the website. And then you go to EZ massage, and the girls are all 100% plain. Photoshopped to the max, nothing like the pictures at all.

[QUOTE=Yoksha; 1200263]This is better as the other was many pages long with no sex happening.

Tomorrow I start work so will be back to action after all the colleagues leave.

But now thinking to go to Pattaya as I do prefer it over Bangkok.

Will see.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Good story but why no sex!?!

[QUOTE=HarryDave; 1195407]I am going to BKK in November. First time. I decided to do a little research on places I might visit, and created a map that should be useful. I thought others might like to see it and make suggestions. A couple of notes: 1) I'm only going to be on the ground for a week, so obviously I won't be going to all these places; 2) I am staying at Town Lodge, Sukhumvit Soi 18; 3) I didn't bother noting individual places in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza; and 4) Hyatt Regency is on the map because I know the band there, although I also understand Spasso is a place for some freelance girls.

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=201674603674274468234.0004ab5222c27ff74394d&msa=0&ll=13.746305,100.560908&spn=0.025387,0.038581[/url]

Anyway, enjoy![/QUOTE]Thanks friend, highly appreciated! I'll try to add when I get back from my trip to SEA begin November.

L

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1200463]I went to visit my favourite girls that I have often taken together from Sheba in Soi Cowboy. Was disappointed, as Noi, Naam, and Yao were all not there. Many of the remaining girls looked too young. No one really took my fancy. This is a bit poor for a Saturday night, but previous experiences at Sheba have been fun.

How much did it cost you?

[QUOTE=Chrisde99; 1200630]

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1200463]I went to visit my favourite girls that I have often taken together from Sheba in Soi Cowboy. Was disappointed, as Noi, Naam, and Yao were all not there. Many of the remaining girls looked too young. No one really took my fancy. This is a bit poor for a Saturday night, but previous experiences at Sheba have been fun.

How much did it cost you?[/QUOTE]I don't want to get involved in price bickering on the forum.

What it cost me was my decision. Price was not negotiated, as it is known that I am very fair or even generous for girls that provide well. Lazy girls get less from me, but this rarely happens as I am mostly choosing well. Less experienced guys will probably take the wrong girl more often, but mostly you can tell if the vibe is right after sitting with the girl for a while in the bar.

If you call over multiple girls for a drink, you can then later only BF the ones that you got the right vibe from.

Obviously two girls cost twice as much as one girl for both bar fine and subsequent payment. As the sex session was lengthy, both had to earn the money, although they seemed to be having a good time anyway.

[QUOTE=Oidar;1200484]No, it is the website. I will be the first to admit I have rubbed one out looking at the website. And then you go to EZ massage, and the girls are all 100% plain. Photoshopped to the max, nothing like the pictures at all.[/QUOTE]When I go into an MP with seriously plain Janes, I have no problem to walk straight out again.

I have been a regular at TL2 for years, but when they have no pretty girls, I am not staying.

I must admit I haven't bothered to look at the EZ website. I am well used to websites that exaggerate a lot.

I would to read a report, from someone trustworthy (not 1st time poster) , about the level of prettiness.

I know that Cat at Mango is really quite pretty, like her picture on the website, although a bit darker skinned.

The website says she is back. Is this true? I suppose I can just ring and ask.

Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?

[QUOTE=Margaya;1201099]Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?[/QUOTE][url]Ewww[/url], How on earth do you get a pleasure out of DP. Probably only gays like that. I am sure you can do a Google search for such a woman.

Best chance may be a freelancer, but good luck if you don't get slapped first.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1201099]Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?[/QUOTE]I would have thought the obvious places to try would be Tulip, Mango, Snow White, since anal is common.

Expect to pay double for the room and at least double for the girl.

Others have reported organising such things in the Nana car park I think.

Obviously these things are available for the right price, and if the dicks pass as not too large.
I reckon multiple pussies is much more fun.
DP is probably mostly a porno thing. Although I have met girls that wanted to be tended by 2 guys at once,
I am not sure that DP was in their mind.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1201099]Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?[/QUOTE]Just bring your wallet. If you can't find it in Bangkok, it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1201132]How on earth do you get a pleasure out of DP. Probably only gays like that. I am sure you can do a Google search for such a woman.

Best chance may be a freelancer, but good luck if you don't get slapped first.[/QUOTE]Duniawala ji.

It's just a porno thingy. For the souvenir memory. I can tell you though that I once had a hottie in India who asked me and my friend to to enter her in the same hole at the same time! Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Thanks for the reply Syzglass. Will certainly try at the MPs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1201133]I would have thought the obvious places to try would be Tulip, Mango, Snow White, since anal is common.

Expect to pay double for the room and at least double for the girl.

Others have reported organising such things in the Nana car park I think.

Obviously these things are available for the right price, and if the dicks pass as not too large.

I reckon multiple pussies is much more fun.

DP is probably mostly a porno thing. Although I have met girls that wanted to be tended by 2 guys at once,

I am not sure that DP was in their mind.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Margaya;1201099]Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?[/QUOTE]One other thing you can do is rent a Ladyboy. They like 2 dicks in the ass. Fill them up big boy!

Two more weeks and I will be in town first time for a few years. Dropping in for two nights on the way to China.

Can not stop thinking about those hot as hell girls, so much fun, so chute, so hot, so cheap. No wonder guys fall for these wonderful creatures.

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1201160]Duniawala ji.

It's just a porno thingy. For the souvenir memory. I can tell you though that I once had a hottie in India who asked me and my friend to to enter her in the same hole at the same time! Different strokes for different folks I guess.[/QUOTE]Just confirms what I said. Whether the girl likes it not, you do definitely like it. Whatever rocks your boat, dude. Good luck.

Brothers,

Does anyone know girl with pierced pussy in BKK? Where may I find this kind of wg? Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

T. 72

[QUOTE=Tabasco72; 1201572]Brothers,

Does anyone know girl with pierced pussy in BKK? Where may I find this kind of wg? Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

T. 72[/QUOTE]In my experience it's difficult to find.

In general piercings are not so popular as for instance in the United Kingdom.

Belly piercings are wide spread but. Tongue piercings, nipple piercing and pussy piercing forget it, see it only as a huge bonus if you find the right person.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1201714]Belly piercings are wide spread but. Tongue piercings, nipple piercing and pussy piercing forget it, see it only as a huge bonus if you find the right person.[/QUOTE]I've had relations with many Thai girls who have tongue piercings, but as you said nipple and private parts are out. I just found this one who has a tongue piercing two weeks ago. She knows how to work it and she treats me like a king. I shall hold on to her.

Had a couple days in Thailand and decided to stay the first night in BKK. Met an online friend who already agreed that we will only fuck. She works in a bank, good lucking slim lady, about 45 years old (found out that Thai ladies are the hottest in this age). Came to my hotel and went right to business. First mutual shower and the to the bed for action. Long deep sucking until I came the first time. Then it was her turn. I licked her all over and she enjoyed very much. Then put on a rubber and she rode me like there is no tomorrow. Her nipples got stone hard, she screamed and finally came. Then we tried her third hole that she offered already in our chats. Wonderful tight and it did take me long to shot my load. We both had 3 orgasm in a period of 3 hours. The only think I gave her was a cheap perfume from Europe which she loved. Great experience of my first freebie in Thailand, which was not the only one during this trip (see Pattaya section)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1201762]I've had relations with many Thai girls who have tongue piercings, but as you said nipple and private parts are out. I just found this one who has a tongue piercing two weeks ago. She knows how to work it and she treats me like a king. I shall hold on to her.[/QUOTE]I also had my fair share of girls with piercings.

As said I see it always as a bonus and stopped being looking special to it.

Back to Bangkok two weeks after my last visit. Only 3 sessions / 3 girls this time – two ups and a down.

[B]Craigslist Hook-up[/B]

I've used CL a lot in Hong Kong to hook up with professionals, semi-pros and amateurs looking for pocket money, but I've never really had much joy using CL outside HK.

One post particularly caught my eye on the HK site a couple of months ago, entitled 'Use my wife' and I was intrigued as I have not really 'swung' before. The poster turned out to be a Farang guy living in Pattaya, whose Thai wife liked to swing. She was available either on her own or as a double-act with the husband. We were unable to hook up in HK, but agreed to stay in touch and try to get together if I came to Bangkok.

Had a meeting all set up for my previous visit at the end of August, but the painters and decorators decided to drop in on the lady on the day of our hook-up, leaving me high and dry until the in-room masseuse came to the rescue.

Got back in touch to try and meet on this trip and, after a couple of months of correspondence, the hook-up was finally on!

The couple – 'D' and 'J' – turned out to be an older Brit and an attractive mid-thirties Thai lady: slim, lightly tanned, nice smile. Both very friendly, easy-going, normal people. We met at my hotel, they came up to my room together and then D left us, telling me to take my time with J and call him when done.

I spent a very enjoyable couple of hours with J – very relaxed, nice chat and excellent sex. J certainly knew what she was doing and seemed to enjoy it too. After an initial snog, she started giving me a high-class BBBJ and I had to struggle not to explode straight away. The BBBJ became a 69 – neat, shaven pussy, nice and moist – and after a few minutes of that I thought I had better move on or there would be no holding back, so I flipped her on her back and proceeded to go down on her: my tried and tested party trick.

As I've mentioned before, I really enjoy going down on women, and find it a huge turn-on when they get turned on by what I'm doing. J didn't disappoint in that regard, really getting into it, her moans getting louder and her pussy becoming sopping wet as her enjoyment increased, until she literally came screaming, bucking and thrashing like a wild filly. I have a big cheesy grin on my face as I write this, just thinking about it.

She told that she hadn't planned on coming first as she normally has control and likes to make the guy come first and then, as if to make amends, immediately resumed the sloppy blowjob she had started earlier until I couldn't hold back and came hard and long in her mouth. She stayed clamped around my knob for a good while as I continued to spurt away and took the whole load like a veteran (which I guess she is, as she and D seem to have been into the swinging game for a while). I was hoping she'the swallow, which would have really put the cap on it for me but – alas – it was a spit.

Stayed in bed for a while, chatting and telling each other about ourselves – an intelligent, caring woman, J – and then naturally progressed into round two, the full monty this time, which was also excellent: tight pussy, very skillful lady and plenty of enthusiasm. Finished off with me straddling her and coming all over her face – another lovely image for my mental archive.

Cleaned up, sat around chatting a bit more and she headed off. No fuss, no muss, just a nice, relaxed encounter. The only slight disappointment was that D had told me that anal was always a possibility with J but when I suggested it to her, she was reluctant, so I didn't insist.

Might take up D's offer of double-teaming J next time I am in town, which may open up that avenue (terrible pun intended!).

There was a fee involved. D told me that part of J's fantasy is that he 'prostitutes' her out to other men, and she needs to be paid to complete the game. J told me that she likes sex with other men for the variety and D likes to see her do it. She also added that the two of them have had group encounters before too, so I'm not sure whether a fee is generally required or the opportunity was seized because I happened to ask whether there was any monetary reward required.

Notwithstanding, I had a good time and am glad to have had the hook-up: J is a great gal.

[B]Soi Cowboy / Shark Bar[/B]

Made the pilgrimage to Shark in spite of the rain, hoping to take home the tall drink of water I'the been eyeing up on my previous visit, but who already had a client on the go that day.

Turned up and was greeted with enthusiasm by the older hostess I'the chatted to the last time. She was joined by a real little raver – a big improvement on the usual standard of hostess I've seen at Shark: young, friendly, petite, tight black dress showing her curves and a stonking pair of stems to boot.

Had the horn for her almost immediately, but was so focused on the tall girl I had come hoping to see, that I decided to pass the young hostess by. Big mistake, as it turned out – not only did the young bird get snaffled and barfined ten minutes later just as I thought I'the go for her and the tallie as a duo, but the tall one turned out to be rubbish in the sack when I eventually got her home.

It was a bit trippy at Shark that night as all four girls I've barfined in the past were in attendance! Joy, from January 2010 was the first one I spotted. She recognized me, smiled and looked hopeful but did not push it when I gave a little shake of the head to politely decline. Saw her getting barfined a little later. Noi, also from Jan '10, was in the house as well, bouncing about as usual. Big grin when she saw me – smile and a wave, no pressure again.

The pair from August 2011 were on stage a few minutes later – saw me, smiled, waved and came straight over when they finished their turn. I can't remember their names, but the prettier one got quite huffy when I politely declined and gave me the cold shoulder for the rest of the time I was there. The other girl took it all in stride and was not fussed when I said no.

Made eye-contact with the tall one, she came over, was quite eager to seal the deal, agreed 3k all-nighter. Friendly, lovely smile, nice sense of humour and I thought I was onto a winner here but should have had listened to my instincts when she refused to kiss after the first lady-drink, saying she's shy in public.

Got her back to the hotel, and it was a pretty disappointing experience. She didn't hold back on doing anything, but the skills just weren't there and it was quite clear she wasn't really into it. Got the deed over and done with, and sent her home after about an hour.

Lesson well and truly learned.

[B]EZ Massage, Soi 24[/B]

Mentioned in my last report that I had the horn big time for Natalee, despite the fact that the picture on the site looked heavily photo-shopped as some of you guys pointed out.

Decided to book Natalee for my last afternoon in town but while I was browsing the site my attention was distracted by May, another little brownie, but with a softer, friendlier look to her than Natalee. Tossed a mental coin and decided to go for May. Booked in advance and ordered in as the weather was really shitty outside.

Boy, did this one turn out to be a serendipitous decision. When I opened the door there stood an absolutely stunning little raver! Lovely figure in a short clingy dress, scrummy milk-chocolate skin, huge baby-doll eyes and a pixie-cute smile.

I think she was a little intimidated at first – I'm a big guy and tend to loom over these petite little Thai girls – and the fact that she spoke practically zero English made her even more nervous. The advantage of being big and tall though, is that you can really envelope little girls in a cuddle, which most of the women I know have told me is something they love – the feeling of being protected and safe (I guess it's something to do with the subconscious 'daddy's little girl' bit.). So, I pulled her gently into a cuddle and felt her start to relax almost straight away. Bent down and gave her a long, soft kiss – putty in my hands after that.

She really responded to the kiss and what followed was two hours of absolute GFE. After she got over her initial shyness, she alternated between being a raving nympho and a cuddly little cutie – it didn't feel like an act, but if it was it was a hell of a good one, so no complaints either way.

Everything was on offer except anal, including letting me take photos and video.

Started off with a lot of kissing and nibbling, which she turned into an excellent blowjob. Pulled her over into a 69, which she seemed to enjoy so turned her round onto her back and went down on her for ages – she took her time getting there, but when she did it was a hell of an orgasm! Shagged her in a few positions (lots of moaning and writhing from the girl) , before giving her a nice milk-moustache, porno-style, which she had a good giggle about!

Stayed in bed together for a bit. She had a little snooze – and then onto round two, which was pretty much a repeat of round one. Fooled around for a bit afterwards, took more video and sent on her way with a snog at the door and a generous tip.

Highly recommended if you like brownies.

[QUOTE=Sumart;1201764]Had a couple days in Thailand and decided to stay the first night in BKK. Met an online friend who already agreed that we will only fuck. She works in a bank, good lucking slim lady, about 45 years old (found out that Thai ladies are the hottest in this age). Came to my hotel and went right to business. First mutual shower and the to the bed for action. Long deep sucking until I came the first time. Then it was her turn. I licked her all over and she enjoyed very much. Then put on a rubber and she rode me like there is no tomorrow. Her nipples got stone hard, she screamed and finally came. Then we tried her third hole that she offered already in our chats. Wonderful tight and it did take me long to shot my load. We both had 3 orgasm in a period of 3 hours. The only think I gave her was a cheap perfume from Europe which she loved. Great experience of my first freebie in Thailand, which was not the only one during this trip (see Pattaya section)[/QUOTE]What online site or sites are you using to find such pleasure providers?

This guy has been pushing his wife for a rather long time now. Met up with her two years ago in Pattaya. In my case I had to go through a 'pre-interview' with the husband due to my many questions as to her boundaries. Entertaining session.

[QUOTE=Kbkbal; 1201881]Back to Bangkok two weeks after my last visit. Only 3 sessions / 3 girls this time – two ups and a down.

[B]Craigslist Hook-up[/B]

I've used CL a lot in Hong Kong to hook up with professionals, semi-pros and amateurs looking for pocket money, but I've never really had much joy using CL outside HK.

One post particularly caught my eye on the HK site a couple of months ago, entitled 'Use my wife' and I was intrigued as I have not really 'swung' before. The poster turned out to be a Farang guy living in Pattaya, whose Thai wife liked to swing. She was available either on her own or as a double-act with the husband. We were unable to hook up in HK, but agreed to stay in touch and try to get together if I came to Bangkok.

Snipped.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kbkbal; 1201881].

[B]EZ Massage, Soi 24[/B]

Tossed a mental coin and decided to go for May. Booked in advance and ordered in as the weather was really shitty outside.

Boy, did this one turn out to be a serendipitous decision.

Highly recommended if you like brownies.[/QUOTE]Oh I love brownies and reading your report and seing the pictures of May made me so horny I almost jumped on the next plane to BKK.

I ended up going to a thai massage here in Berlin / Germany. But we simply don't have such cuties here. Europe is a sex hell for me!

[QUOTE=Kbkbal; 1201881]She really responded to the kiss and what followed was two hours of absolute GFE. After she got over her initial shyness, she alternated between being a raving nympho and a cuddly little cutie – it didn't feel like an act, but if it was it was a hell of a good one, so no complaints either way.

Everything was on offer except anal, including letting me take photos and video.[/QUOTE]You didn't book your appointment under the name "Mike" did you? If so I had just finished ramming her up the butt before you came in. I see May maybe twice a week and for the entire month of September I never fucked her pussy. Only her tight little butt.

walked by the new lollipop1 blowjob bar on sukhumvit soi 10. had a couple of older women outside. i stepped inside and it looked quite nice-not as nice as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in pattaya but it looked great. i didn't partake as i was running out of time but i will try it out soon. i can't see going to the dark smelly interior of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] bkk anymore after going here. though i must admit the debauchery of sol will keep me going there. nothing like banging a girl in the toilet lol.

in case you need to find lollipop turn left into soi 10 from sukhumvit and turn into the first subsoi on your left. lollipop is right in front of of you. it's behind the purple-colored paradiso boutique suites hotel. they named it lollipop1 because lollipop was already taken by the nana plaza disco.

i took a photo of the lollipop sign as i thought it was funny it was telling you that lollipop was in the direction the arrow was showing when in fact lollipop is in the other direction (it's right in front of the sign). amazing thailand!

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[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1202035]Oh I love brownies and reading your report and seing the pictures of May made me so horny I almost jumped on the next plane to BKK.

I ended up going to a thai massage here in Berlin / Germany. But we simply don't have such cuties here. Europe is a sex hell for me![/QUOTE]Germany is sex paradise. You should try USA, Australia, England, Italy, etc. Germany is miles (kms) in front.

EZ photoshoped pictures are most misleading. There are good Thai girls in Germany too.

[QUOTE=Showdown; 1202173]I took a photo of the Lollipop sign as I thought it was funny it was telling you that Lollipop was in the direction the arrow was showing when in fact Lollipop is in the other direction (it's right in front of the sign). Amazing Thailand!

[ATTACH=CONFIG]158665[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]I guess you mean that the sign points left and Lollipop is on the "right" of the sign.

Hi, Fellows:

Anybody with recent experience of SOL? There was a rumour that there has been some change among the girls.

Will be back to BKK in about 8 weeks.

Hope to enjoy again that unique and specific atmosphere of publicity!

Short response is appreciated.

FV

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1202175]Germany is sex paradise. You should try USA, Australia, England, Italy, etc. Germany is miles (kms) in front.

EZ photoshoped pictures are most misleading. There are good Thai girls in Germany too.[/QUOTE]What are you going to tell us next. That the prices in Germany are much cheaper too.

I have been to all the places you mentioned. They are not even close to Thailand or SEA.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1202199]What are you going to tell us next. That the prices in Germany are much cheaper too.

I have been to all the places you mentioned. They are not even close to Thailand or SEA.[/QUOTE]Please respect other's opinions, yours is no more valid than anyone else's. Say that YOU prefer Thailand and SEA, but don't make it an absolute truth. As it happens, I don't agree with you, and I could explain why I am not a great fan of LOS, but that is of little interst to others, since it is only my opinion, not a fact. That's me. As for FKKs, I like them because I can stay there for 18h, in a nice club, enjoying, sauna, massage, food. And sex, fuck where, when (and if) I want, sleep in between, while watching 100+ naked women of all shape, style and ethnicity wandering around and chatting with some, And if I have to choose, altogeher, I certainly would choose to live in Germany rather than Thailand. Again, that's me, to each his own.

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I live in this backwards place. Girls aside. Bangkok is a FILTHY city. I have seen some sick shit. Not to mention there was curfew, for a few nights.

I could only imagine, what it be like to be a regular at a FKK. A few days a year (or a lifetime) in Germany, does not compare with living in some of the German cities. Maybe you couldn't get pussy everyday, like most manage here. But so what.

On a side note. I was at one of the massage places the other day, with a real cutie. We had a hot session. I stand up to get some water, when I notice her cup was full of beer. She was on her 2nd Leo. It was 12:30 pm. The party never ends.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor;1202178]There was a rumour that there has been some change among the girls.[/QUOTE]What change? Do you mean the girls are giving it away for free now?

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1202213]Please respect other's opinions, yours is no more valid than anyone else's. Say that YOU prefer Thailand and SEA, but don't make it an absolute truth. As it happens, I don't agree with you, and I could explain why I am not a great fan of LOS, but that is of little interst to others, since it is only my opinion, not a fact. That's me. As for FKKs, I like them because I can stay there for 18h, in a nice club, enjoying, sauna, massage, food. And sex, fuck where, when (and if) I want, sleep in between, while watching 100+ naked women of all shape, style and ethnicity wandering around and chatting with some, And if I have to choose, altogeher, I certainly would choose to live in Germany rather than Thailand. Again, that's me, to each his own.

Cheers[/QUOTE]HUH?
OK, how is this:

I have been to Germany several times. I found the prices to be way too high, the girls to be mechanical and non-GFE. From my experience, it is not even close to Thailand mongering or other areas in SEA for quality, price, quantity.
I would not want to live in Germany because it is 2 to 3 times as expensive not just for mongering, but everyday expenses. I also found that the German people are not friendly and are rather boring.
The only decent thing they have to offer is Bratwurst, but I like pussy, not wieners.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1202302]HUH?

OK, how is this:

I have been to Germany several times. I found the prices to be way too high, the girls to be mechanical and non-GFE. From my experience, it is not even close to Thailand mongering or other areas in SEA for quality, price, quantity.

I would not want to live in Germany because it is 2 to 3 times as expensive not just for mongering, but everyday expenses. I also found that the German people are not friendly and are rather boring.

The only decent thing they have to offer is Bratwurst, but I like pussy, not wieners.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dreams]Please respect other's opinions, yours is no more valid than anyone else's. Say that YOU prefer Thailand and SEA, but don't make it an absolute truth. As it happens, I don't agree with you, and I could explain why I am not a great fan of LOS, but that is of little interst to others, since it is only my opinion, not a fact. That's me. As for FKKs, I like them because I can stay there for 18h, in a nice club, enjoying, sauna, massage, food. And sex, fuck where, when (and if) I want, sleep in between, while watching 100+ naked women of all shape, style and ethnicity wandering around and chatting with some, And if I have to choose, altogeher, I certainly would choose to live in Germany rather than Thailand. Again, that's me, to each his own.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I agree. Germany is good but IMHO, Thailand service providers offer far greater customer service. There is also much less impact on my wallet in Thailand than in Germany. Winner: THAILAND.

I guess it just depends on what type of women you want eh? If you want a white girl, it makes sense to go to Europe right? I mean most of the ones in the US are lazy, not good looking, dirty, etc. If you have an appetite for Asian Kitty cats, you go to somewhere like Thailand or the Philippines. For me, because I live in the states, Southeast Asia is perfect for me because of the exchange rate. When the dollar is strong, life in SE Asia is like Heaven!

There are so many places better than Germany. Budapest and Prague for example put Germany to shame.


In my opinion from my experience.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1202365]There are so many places better than Germany. Budapest and Prague for example put Germany to shame.

In my opinion from my experience.[/QUOTE]Germany is the King of the Eurozone but its P4P scene is nowhere as good as what is available in Asia (IMHO), except for Japan which is overpriced and generally anti-Western. Navigating in BKK sometimes poses a problem for the inebriated, especially in areas where katoeys mingle with real ladies.

[QUOTE=Chimmy31;1202358]I guess it just depends on what type of women you want eh? If you want a white girl, it makes sense to go to Europe right? I mean most of the ones in the US are lazy, not good looking, dirty, etc. If you have an appetite for Asian Kitty cats, you go to somewhere like Thailand or the Philippines. For me, because I live in the states, Southeast Asia is perfect for me because of the exchange rate. When the dollar is strong, life in SE Asia is like Heaven![/QUOTE]However, I have seen a lot of South American girls that look like service providers running around BKK lately. Some are in my hotel. Anybody know the scoop on this? I've thought about asking one of them but am really more interested in the local talent.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1202199]What are you going to tell us next. That the prices in Germany are much cheaper too.

I have been to all the places you mentioned. They are not even close to Thailand or SEA.[/QUOTE]I was merely pointing out that Germany is not hell for sex, as one person wrote.

Many other western countries have far less reasonably priced sex available.

Many sex tourists fly into germany for the weekend. There must be a reason that they do this.

I was not comparing German prices to Thailand.

I did point out that there are many Thai girls in Germany and they are not all ugly.

So being in Germany is not sex hell at all.

I do not try to claim its better than Thailand at all. It is NOT a Germany Vs. Thailand post at all. That would be a silly comparison.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1202175]Germany is sex paradise. You should try USA, Australia, England, Italy, etc. Germany is miles (kms) in front.

EZ photoshoped pictures are most misleading. There are good Thai girls in Germany too.[/QUOTE]While we had some nice Thai girls (in their mid-twenties) a few years ago (till 2008 if I remember correctly) , they are all gone now (very few exceptions, will report on them in the Berlin thread). Maybe due to a change in German visa policy.

Germany is surely better in terms of P4P than the States, UK or for example India (I've worked in Bangalore for a few months, this was a real sex hell). There are many pretty East European girls doing escorts in Berlin. Problem is that very often they are too obsessed with cigarettes, very often they practise un-safe sex and some of them are exploited to the max, having 10 or more dates a day. So this is not a scene I can enjoy without bad feelings.

And what a different experience my first night in Bangkok was! Landing at 6pm, checking in at Grand Millenium at 7pm, taking a shower, having a snack, being on the street a 9pm, strolling through Soi Cowboy a few times before finding a 18yo cutie from Five Star Bar at 10pm and then back at the hotel 6 hours of fantastic sex and lots of kisses, smooching and so forth, all for a ridiculous low price. Two weeks later that girl came up with a story that she left her boyfriend for me. I know Bangkok it's a big illusion, but it's a perfect illusion.

As mentioned it depends on what type of women you are but since I love big brown eyes, small waists, slim arms and legs, apple asses and dark skin (funny how I have changed from a big tits lover) I would trade Berlin for Bangkok any minute (having in mind that I would need my German salary there).

Arrived Bangkok and have my first night with a girl from Rainbow 4. Her number is 64 (or 62? Forget). Anyway, bf her and talked for a LT till morning 9 am. But around 5 am, she wake me up telling that her friends wants her to come home for open the door. This is the usual styles and stories this working girls are alwyas using as a reason to left earlier. She later said I just pay her st instead. (we got to hotel by 2:00 am and she left by 5:00 am).

I was wondering what exactly is the right market price for ST and LT: I understand it is 2000 bht for ST and 4000 bht for LT (but I always bargained down between 3000 to 3500 bht for LT).

I also wonder if those outsude NEP bars girls are cheaper?

Cheers,

MD

Well, I did not think I would launch such a debate "Germany vs Thailand".

I just said that we should not make personal views look like if it was absolute truth. It is fortunate that we do not all think that the same place is the best in the world otherwise, this place would be. Well, very crowded. FKKs must have some interest if I judge by the number of them, their popularity, and the fact that more and more are opening. With regards to being not GF and ripped off there, I am afraid this only apply to those who are not careful in choosing. It is like everywhere, even in Thailand, where bad experiences can be had. I feel that the guy who gets ripped off somewhere is likely to be ripped off elsewhere as well.

I don't see the point to argue for or against each of those countries. I monger all over the world, and how good Germany is irrelevant when I am in BKK, and vice-versa. I, in fact try to get the best of each of the place I am in, and I am glad to say that I usually succeed (there are exceptions, like Scandinavia, India.) , even in Japan, which, contrary to what has been said here, is not so anti-foreigner, as long as you respect the rules, and do your homework, look at the Tokyo thread, our bros there have a lot of fun.

It's a pity that some of the comments became xenophobic, anti-German, anti-tHAI (I am not german, BTW) , etc.

Anyway, living in Europe and being 60 Euros away from FRA, I will be going for a 2 day visit to FKKS soon, that's easier for me than flying to BKK. Where I will be for 12h in February. 12h is enough for me, I'll get a BBBJ at SOL early morning, then head towards Soi 26-28 for a full grooming / shaving session (no sex) , than an oily somewhere (Snow white / Mango) , then a legit massage (no sex) , and finally a soap at Akane in the evening before catching my flight. To Tokyo. Anyway. 3 cums in 12h is my max. Again, to each his own.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik;1202406]This is the usual styles and stories this working girls are alwyas using as a reason to left earlier. She later said I just pay her st instead. (we got to hotel by 2:00 am and she left by 5:00 am).[/QUOTE]Yes the usual bullshit stories (which may be semi-true on occasions). The only thing I can suggest is to make it clear that ST will only pay a very low amount and LT will be much better rewarded. Its getting more and more difficult to find LT girls.

In one case, my tactic was to tell the girl, I'm tired and don't want sex now, but I only want the sex just before breakfast. That seemed to work. So get a ST girl early in the evening, and then go back and get another one to use this approach. Seriously, 2:00AM is not the best time to get a girl if you are wanting LT, as its a bit late to go back for another replacement one.

Some girls cannot do LT at all. Reasons vary a lot. E. G. Boyfriend, parents, school, child, etc.

Its best to do LT with known reliable girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1202415]Yes the usual bullshit stories (which may be semi-true on occasions). The only thing I can suggest is to make it clear that ST will only pay a very low amount and LT will be much better rewarded. Its getting more and more difficult to find LT girls.

In one case, my tactic was to tell the girl, I'm tired and don't want sex now, but I only want the sex just before breakfast. That seemed to work. So get a ST girl early in the evening, and then go back and get another one to use this approach. Seriously. 2:00AM is not the best time to get a girl if you are wanting LT, as its a bit late to go back for another replacement one.

Some girls cannot do LT at all. Reasons vary a lot. E. G. Boyfriend, parents, school, child, etc.

Its best to do LT with known reliable girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks S!

The reason why it tooks me that late to choose the girls for LT is that I went from bars to bars and forgot its too late in the morning.

How about the price I pay for ST and LT? Is 2000 for ST and 3000 for LT is something within market prices?

German FKK's are unique in the fact you can fuck a few hot girls with out having to go anywhere else. You can not take a nap in the middle of a Bangkok fish bowl. Plus in Germany you can step outside and smoke a bowl of the super funk. Not this swamp dirt, we have to smoke in BKK.

Everyone tries to act like Bangkok is so cheap compared to other big cities. I just don't see it. I'm not going to say how much my rent is. But I will mention, I just spent 600 baht at Tops on food that I will have ate in a few hours. Salty snacks and cheese cost more than pussy.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1202434]Thanks S!

How about the price I pay for ST and LT? Is 2000 for ST and 3000 for LT is something within market prices?[/QUOTE]2000 ST is very overpriced, but it seems lots of these girls are able to get this amount now. You should be able to get some of the girls to go for 1-1. 5k ST as long as you're not asking for too much in the bedroom. Remember, TIT and everything is negotiable.

OK, I'll join in. I've only been to Germany once, this summer actually, and had a great time in FKK Samya (Cologne) with a huge-boobed Rumanian. Even had a Thai massage in Frankfurt and several lesser expensive Greek girls in Athens. So, my comparative experience is rather limited. But Germany and the rest of Europe is way too expensive for me. For what I spent in three weeks in Europe I could have lived on (and banged many more times) for three months in most parts in Asia (Japan and Korea notwithstanding). Nevertheless, like Dreams, I, too, like to experience different pussies in their parts of the world when given the opportunity to do so.

D Cups.

"Spanning the globe for the world's largest bangable boobs" (hopefully with a pretty face and a small frame but standards vary based on liquid levels.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1202412]Well, I did not think I would launch such a debate "Germany vs Thailand".

I just said that we should not make personal views look like if it was absolute truth. It is fortunate that we do not all think that the same place is the best in the world otherwise, this place would be. Well, very crowded. FKKs must have some interest if I judge by the number of them, their popularity, and the fact that more and more are opening. With regards to being not GF and ripped off there, I am afraid this only apply to those who are not careful in choosing. It is like everywhere, even in Thailand, where bad experiences can be had. I feel that the guy who gets ripped off somewhere is likely to be ripped off elsewhere as well.

I don't see the point to argue for or against each of those countries. I monger all over the world, and how good Germany is irrelevant when I am in BKK, and vice-versa. I, in fact try to get the best of each of the place I am in, and I am glad to say that I usually succeed (there are exceptions, like Scandinavia, India.) , even in Japan, which, contrary to what has been said here, is not so anti-foreigner, as long as you respect the rules, and do your homework, look at the Tokyo thread, our bros there have a lot of fun.

It's a pity that some of the comments became xenophobic, anti-German, anti-tHAI (I am not german, BTW) , etc.

Anyway, living in Europe and being 60 Euros away from FRA, I will be going for a 2 day visit to FKKS soon, that's easier for me than flying to BKK. Where I will be for 12h in February. 12h is enough for me, I'll get a BBBJ at SOL early morning, then head towards Soi 26-28 for a full grooming / shaving session (no sex) , than an oily somewhere (Snow white / Mango) , then a legit massage (no sex) , and finally a soap at Akane in the evening before catching my flight. To Tokyo. Anyway. 3 cums in 12h is my max. Again, to each his own.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1202406]I was wondering what exactly is the right market price for ST and LT: I understand it is 2000 bht for ST and 4000 bht for LT (but I always bargained down between 3000 to 3500 bht for LT).

I also wonder if those outsude NEP bars girls are cheaper?

MD[/QUOTE]Those are Rainbow Bar prices. You can get much lower rates from the bars in and out of NEP; it all depends on you and the girl.

i'm a frequent traveller going to both germany and thailand (i live in scandinavia).

going to thailand is always great, and some cheaper than mongering in germany. but still. the prices are increasing in thailand at a speed a high speed, flight, hotels, girls, food, drinks makes it an expensive holiday.

thailand has so much to offer horny men like me. i just love the bj bars, the gogos where i can see young and sexy thai girls dance, and later bring some of them back to my room. massage places everywhere. soapies. and, bangkog is an exciting city which has a lot more than sex to offer also. all this makes me just come back again and again.

what i like about the fkk scene is that i can be surrouded by beautiful girls from all over the world (and fuck them!) , relax in the pool, eat barbeque food from the grill, and just enjoy.

actually, one of the most beautiful thai girls i have ever met, was in berlin at a massage place. she was born in thailand, but moved to germany at an early age since she has family there. she was only 18 years old, and gave me a fantastic bodymassage and handjob.

this year i have already been 2 timer to thailand, and 2 times to germany. will go back to germany later this month for some fun before i take a long christmas holiday in thailand :-d

[quote=tommyh80; 1202591]i'm a frequent traveller going to both germany and thailand (i live in scandinavia).

going to thailand is always great, and some cheaper than mongering in germany. but still. the prices are increasing in thailand at a speed a high speed, flight, hotels, girls, food, drinks makes it an expensive holiday.

thailand has so much to offer horny men like me. i just love the bj bars, the gogos where i can see young and sexy thai girls dance, and later bring some of them back to my room. massage places everywhere. soapies. and, bangkog is an exciting city which has a lot more than sex to offer also. all this makes me just come back again and again.

what i like about the fkk scene is that i can be surrouded by beautiful girls from all over the world (and fuck them!) , relax in the pool, eat barbeque food from the grill, and just enjoy.

actually, one of the most beautiful thai girls i have ever met, was in berlin at a massage place. she was born in thailand, but moved to germany at an early age since she has family there. she was only 18 years old, and gave me a fantastic bodymassage and handjob.

this year i have already been 2 timer to thailand, and 2 times to germany. will go back to germany later this month for some fun before i take a long christmas holiday in thailand :-d[/quote]this seems to be a good conclusion to this "debate". let's close it and go back to informing each other about new opportunities.

It's been a LONG while since I was in Bangkok but it looks like I'll be there again next week. Last time I was there the BTS Skytrain on Suhkumvit was just starting service. That's how long ago! Wonder if my Tailor HERMANN is till in business.

I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?

What would the approximate cost be?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=Sorcerer; 1202596]I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?

What would the approximate cost be?[/QUOTE]At that time a taxi will be the best option since traffic will be easy. Ignore the taxi touts and get a metered taxi. Don't go for a "fixed" price, just use the taximeter. You are always better off.

[url]http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/to_from_public_taxi_en.php[/url]

Prices should be between 300 to 400 baht plus express way tolls.

At any other time the Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link or SARL is your best choice to go to central Bangkok. Note that SARL will only run between 6AM and midnight.

More info:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport_Rail_Link[/url]

And.

[url]http://airportraillink.railway.co.th/en/[/url]

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1199818]Between Soi 3 and 5 on Sukhumvit, very near Nana, there are girls all hours, and some katoeys also, but a few diamonds in the rough.[/QUOTE]There are some diamonds but also beware of katoeys jailbait and ladies that hide scars etc under shirts.

Some really good performers but nothing like Pattaya beach road.

Have seen a couple of "russians" and some africans down here two.

Also seen a stunning tall indian / paki girl legs and arse to die for but could not work out if she was a freelancer or a tourist.

Seen her a number of times and would have tried but always had a thai girl with me.

Done a few thai girls from here too.

Great value from an older plump girl from khon kaen excellent performer for 500 baht.

Stay in ever rich inn and you would be right in middle of the area

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1202518]Those are Rainbow Bar prices. You can get much lower rates from the bars in and out of NEP; it all depends on you and the girl.[/QUOTE]I also aware that st 2000 should be quite a high price too and thye are asking for LT 4000 of which I never give but only give 3000 for LT. I wonder this price was being asked as someone is paying.

Please share your thoughts as to what is really the market price. I know that gthose freelancer at NANA parking lot is asking between 1000 to 1500 for ST but I never go with them and I think price for them should be around 1000 or less.

Anyone can give some comment and info to the rest of guys here?

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1202434].

How about the price I pay for ST and LT? Is 2000 for ST and 3000 for LT is something within market prices?[/QUOTE]To me this seems to be within the usual prices in BKK, but I'm not a real expert since I was only 4 times in BKK and met about 5 different girls. NEP beauties always demand 3500-4000 for LT with little options to bargain while at Soi Cowboy it was always a bit cheaper.

[QUOTE=Sorcerer; 1202596]It's been a LONG while since I was in Bangkok but it looks like I'll be there again next week. Last time I was there the BTS Skytrain on Suhkumvit was just starting service. That's how long ago! Wonder if my Tailor HERMANN is till in business.

I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?

What would the approximate cost be?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]By the time you get out of airport after luggage pickup and immigration, the only option you have would be taxi as trains all shut down by then.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1202608]I also aware that st 2000 should be quite a high price too and thye are asking for LT 4000 of which I never give but only give 3000 for LT. I wonder this price was being asked as someone is paying.

Please share your thoughts as to what is really the market price. I know that gthose freelancer at NANA parking lot is asking between 1000 to 1500 for ST but I never go with them and I think price for them should be around 1000 or less.

Anyone can give some comment and info to the rest of guys here?[/QUOTE]I've never had a girl turn down an offer of 1500 / ST. LT is more variable, but 2500-3000 is what I would look for. 4000 is way too high.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1202406].

I was wondering what exactly is the right market price for ST and LT: I understand it is 2000 bht for ST and 4000 bht for LT (but I always bargained down between 3000 to 3500 bht for LT).[/QUOTE]ST is 1500 baht / LT is 2000 baht as a general rule in most places.

Higher end girls can be ST 2000 baht / LT 3000 baht.

Lower end (streetwalkers) you can get 1000 baht short time as a general rule.

And that is that. If you are paying more than that then enjoy paying more for what others pay less for, or start negotiating.

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1202636]To me this seems to be within the usual prices in BKK, but I'm not a real expert since I was only 4 times in BKK and met about 5 different girls. NEP beauties always demand 3500-4000 for LT with little options to bargain while at Soi Cowboy it was always a bit cheaper.[/QUOTE]I came aross this post on another forum that I go on. Talkinsex. Com.

How stupid do they think we are!

I haven't been to Thailand since Jan this year have the prices gone up that much?

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ESCORT AGENCY BANGKOK

Duration / Rates.

Short Time (3 hours).5, 000 THB.

Dinner Date (6 hours).7, 000 THB.

Over Night (10 hours).9, 000 THB.

Whole Day (24 hours).10, 000 THB.

*

[QUOTE=Macho Dik;1202608]I know that gthose freelancer at NANA parking lot is asking between 1000 to 1500 for ST[/QUOTE]They were firm on 1500 last night at 3:00 a.m. when I arrived. Slim pickings and a couple of the only decent looking ones even insisted that 1500 was for one hour only. Obviously a function of the late hour.

[QUOTE=Perth Boy; 1202762]I came aross this post on another forum that I go on. Talkinsex. Com.

How stupid do they think we are!

I haven't been to Thailand since Jan this year have the prices gone up that much?

*

ESCORT AGENCY BANGKOK

Duration / Rates.

Short Time (3 hours).5, 000 THB.

Dinner Date (6 hours).7, 000 THB.

Over Night (10 hours).9, 000 THB.

Whole Day (24 hours).10, 000 THB.

*[/QUOTE]I know girls in the escort business and, YES, men are paying these rates! Amazing Thailand!

[QUOTE=Sorcerer; 1202596]It's been a LONG while since I was in Bangkok but it looks like I'll be there again next week. Last time I was there the BTS Skytrain on Suhkumvit was just starting service. That's how long ago! Wonder if my Tailor HERMANN is till in business.

I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?

What would the approximate cost be?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]The Marriott is very close to freeway exit. Therefore its best to take taxi and pay the freeway tolls in order to get there as quickly as possible (light traffic late). Price should be just under 300 Baht including Airport 50 Baht surcharge but excluding toll gates.

I avoid the 50 Baht by going upstairs to Departure level, so costs me less than 250 Baht (excluding tolls). Pick up a taxi that is just dropping off customers. Then there is no queueing for the taxi too and they are usually very happy to get a customer so meter use is no problem.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1202412] 12h is enough for me, I'll get a BBBJ at SOL early morning, then head towards Soi 26-28 for a full grooming / shaving session (no sex) , than an oily somewhere (Snow white / Mango) , then a legit massage (no sex) , and finally a soap at Akane in the evening before catching my flight.
[/QUOTE]
Dreams, where exactly do you go in Soi 26-28 for grooming? Been looking for a place, it is nice to be professionally groomed before hitting the soapies. The girls seem to like that, and seem to provide better service when you are well groomed.

guys,

i know about nana parking area being good for finding freelancers but how about soi cowboy? is there any area near soi cowboy to have a peek at good quality freelancers? i an not looking for cheap or low quality so would be interested only if quality is high. appreciate any replies.

thanks

[quote=margaya; 1202897]guys,

i know about nana parking area being good for finding freelancers but how about soi cowboy? is there any area near soi cowboy to have a peek at good quality freelancers? i an not looking for cheap or low quality so would be interested only if quality is high. appreciate any replies.

thanks[/quote]margaya.

cowboy is loaded with pussy, however it is not a freelance set up. if you want the best quality try the shark bar early before the prime is picked.

if you must have 'freelance' try soi 33, there are girls aplenty on the street. stop by livingston's for a beer, pool and a fairly good stable of girls as well.

bottom line is there is no shortage of girls in bkk. you will find them everywhere. bargirl, massage, escort, freelance, turn them upside down and they all look like sisters.

imho.

guido88

[quote=margaya; 1202897]guys,

i know about nana parking area being good for finding freelancers but how about soi cowboy? is there any area near soi cowboy to have a peek at good quality freelancers? i an not looking for cheap or low quality so would be interested only if quality is high. appreciate any replies.

thanks[/quote]walk from asok station toward nana on the right-hand side of the street. go into the coffee shop in the basement of the ruam chit hotel from 11pm onwards.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1202790]The Marriott is very close to freeway exit. Therefore its best to take taxi and pay the freeway tolls in order to get there as quickly as possible (light traffic late). Price should be just under 300 Baht including Airport 50 Baht surcharge but excluding toll gates.

I avoid the 50 Baht by going upstairs to Departure level, so costs me less than 250 Baht (excluding tolls). Pick up a taxi that is just dropping off customers. Then there is no queueing for the taxi too and they are usually very happy to get a customer so meter use is no problem.[/QUOTE]Last time at 6am and something we got hit by heavy traffic in the proximity of Nana exit.

We probably lost the key minutes since police busted my taxi driver at departure. Poor guy had his licence taken and be collected later paying a fine. We have lost some 10' in the paperwork.

Departure level taxi row is flooded by police.

They seem to stop the action every now and then to show they are there.

Last time I took a taxi from arrival and fare wasaround 300 including the 50baht airport fee, plus tolls.

This 50 baht fee is weird. It is for no worth or service.

There is a taxi attendant filling a sort of meaningless form (hey, this is not buenos aires where taxi drivers rob you) , and click that's the reason for the fee.

If you read the airport authority sign it days is not compulsory.

You enter the taxi and a sign says "must pay".

Guess what wins?

[QUOTE=Perth Boy; 1202762]I came aross this post on another forum that I go on. Talkinsex. Com.

How stupid do they think we are!

I haven't been to Thailand since Jan this year have the prices gone up that much?

*

ESCORT AGENCY BANGKOK

Duration / Rates.

Short Time (3 hours).5, 000 THB.

Dinner Date (6 hours).7, 000 THB.

Over Night (10 hours).9, 000 THB.

Whole Day (24 hours).10, 000 THB.

*[/QUOTE]These are escort agency prices, similar to an escort price structure, however lame, that has been around for years. Don't freak out!

Good info from an article about a second generation SW:

""She and other women solicit along the four roads surrounding Lumpini Park: Witthayu, Sarasin, Ratchadamri and Rama IV.

"There are other places in Bangkok where streetwalkers are working such as Sanam Luang, Hua Lampong railway station and Sukhumvit Road," Siriphon said.""

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps[/url]

[QUOTE=Harry Dude;1202891]Dreams, where exactly do you go in Soi 26-28 for grooming? Been looking for a place, it is nice to be professionally groomed before hitting the soapies. The girls seem to like that, and seem to provide better service when you are well groomed.[/QUOTE]The shop I went to last time is just in front of Snow White, don't remember the soi precisely. Got hair cut, pedicure, manucure, ear cleaning, face shaving. Did not have private parts shaved on that occasion, don't know if they do it. But most likely.

Thanks for the article. Will definitely mark my map and check out the area. Love to window shop.

See you all in November.

Skeet.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1203085]Good info from an article about a second generation SW:

""She and other women solicit along the four roads surrounding Lumpini Park: Witthayu, Sarasin, Ratchadamri and Rama IV.

"There are other places in Bangkok where streetwalkers are working such as Sanam Luang, Hua Lampong railway station and Sukhumvit Road," Siriphon said.""

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps[/url][/QUOTE]

I pass Lumpini a few times daily when in BKK and it is true that there is much FL action at night. A couple of things to consider though. The park is hugh and the Rama 4 side is probably a mile and a half long with not much action. Start at wireless road and go as far as you feel like walking but beware of LB's!

[QUOTE=Skeetm; 1203129]Thanks for the article. Will definitely mark my map and check out the area. Love to window shop.

See you all in November.

Skeet.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=GreenBud; 1203085]Good info from an article about a second generation SW:

""She and other women solicit along the four roads surrounding Lumpini Park: Witthayu, Sarasin, Ratchadamri and Rama IV.

"There are other places in Bangkok where streetwalkers are working such as Sanam Luang, Hua Lampong railway station and Sukhumvit Road," Siriphon said.""

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps[/url][/QUOTE]

LOS has been beckoning for some time now.

Smash some records and some bank balance for 4 days in LOS from 14/10. Just booked President Solitaire with Jacuzzi.)

Arun

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1203039]
This 50 baht fee is weird. It is for no worth or service............
If you read the airport authority sign it days is not compulsory.......You enter the taxi and a sign says "must pay".
Guess what wins?[/QUOTE]
Many times I haven't paid the 50B fee because the driver never asked for it. I guess it is just a hit or miss.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1203088]. Did not have private parts shaved on that occasion, don't know if they do it. But most likely.[/QUOTE]Man, just the thought of something sharp near my private parts make me cringe.

Although I rather shave the honey's areas.

Shark

[QUOTE=Sharka; 1203336]Man, just the thought of something sharp near my private parts make me cringe.

Although I rather shave the honey's areas.

Shark[/QUOTE]I used the Nana (hotel) MP for that and it went all ok, not a single bruise albeit if you think to what is happening "down there at the area of your jewels it might feel weird.

Ladies are very attentive and delicate.

On the price issue we earlier talked here a couple of weeks ago:

First time I was quoted, at the door. 400b. Handed this sum to the lady (not young but very doable, if something more would be in the menu, sporting a significant g-string visible from the jeans) , and voluntarily added a 100b tip: she was happy.

Second time I was not quoted any price when I mentioned pubic shaving and addressed to the barber chair in the main room.

I mentioned I needed a pubic shaving, not a pubLic shave and headed further inside with a laugh.

The lady was different, not in her youth too, more like a still decent looking grandma in her 50's, but nothing to make you have wet dreams. She performed the job well, maybe better than the other one, making me flip stomach down for better access to the rear area.

When it is time to pay she quotes 500. I mention last time (10 days before) was 400 but she politely insisted on 500 and a tip (100). When exiting I crossed the previous one, she greeted me with a smile, recognizing me. Definitely a different attitude, but, hey, we are there for a specific service and we know one doesn't get much at that MP anyhow.

I have seen a lot of massage places, apparently legit only but the ladies have a sexy attitude (not as in a clinic) and the menu includes waxing etc so the pubic shaving is performed in many other places, as long as they have a back room.

Still I would go only to a semi-legit place as I am nit using that as an excuse for more, so if one can go along with a lousy pil massage in a place as the goal is another one, grooming and shaving has to be done by someone who knows what she is doing!

Thanks a lot Guido88, that certainly clarified a few things.

[QUOTE=Guido88; 1202962]Margaya.

Cowboy is loaded with pussy, however it is not a freelance set up. If you want the best quality try the Shark bar early before the prime is picked.

If you must have 'freelance' try Soi 33, there are girls aplenty on the street. Stop by Livingston's for a beer, pool and a fairly good stable of girls as well.

Bottom line is there is no shortage of girls in BKK. You will find them everywhere. Bargirl, massage, escort, freelance, turn them upside down and they all look like sisters.

IMHO.

Guido88[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot for the info.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1203033]Walk from Asok station toward Nana on the right-hand side of the street. Go into the coffee shop in the basement of the Ruam Chit hotel from 11pm onwards.[/QUOTE]

This would be the infamous Thermae Coffee Shop. Be warned though that most of the women there still tend to prefer Japanese or East Asian men. Haven't been there in a long time though so things might be a bit more relaxed now.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff;1203033]Walk from Asok station toward Nana on the right-hand side of the street. Go into the coffee shop in the basement of the Ruam Chit hotel from 11pm onwards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1203039]This 50 baht fee is weird. It is for no worth or service.

There is a taxi attendant filling a sort of meaningless form (hey, this is not buenos aires where taxi drivers rob you) , and click that's the reason for the fee.[/QUOTE]I'm under the impression that the taxi drivers need to pay that fee to the airport authority for queuing at the airport. If you pick up a taxi off-queue, that's a different matter, but as long as the queue clerk issues that paper, it seems unfair to the cabbie to avoid the 50b fee.

While it is true that crime in Thailand is low, arriving airline passengers are particularly vulnerable, and there actually was a case of a mad cabbie robbing and murdering passengers back in the Don Mueang days.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1203085]Good info from an article about a second generation SW:

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for the article. It seems many of the girls prefer ST customers in a shabby brothel type hotel to the LT stay in a posh hotel with a farang.

Maybe most of us farang customers have a wrong picture of us in mind, the picture of a noble prince saving the little innocent princess for one night by bringing her to the Plaza Athenee or Grand Millenium. (Sorry, just wild psychological guessing!) Anyway I will always prefer that LT option which is almost impossible to afford in Europe or the US and always seems so easy when you are in Bangkok.

BTW has anyone but me seen that price winning documentary about working girls already (You cannot write the movie's name on this board since it's explicit language)? A part of it was filmed in a Massage Parlour in Ratchadipsek area. The name was probably Hi-Class? But somehow the documentary seemed a bit unreal like it was made up (especially the customers, they act so weird). Nevertheless the girls in the MP seemed to be OK with what they were doing (I wouldn't say they enjoyed it but it was kind of a normal job for them). The parts of the documentary that take place in Bangladesh and Mexico were much more frustrating.

You can see a trailer when you ad the explicit language term for working girl:

[url]http://www.*****sglory.at/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jed Wordsmith;1203503]This would be the infamous Thermae Coffee Shop. Be warned though that most of the women there still tend to prefer Japanese or East Asian men. Haven't been there in a long time though so things might be a bit more relaxed now.[/QUOTE]Yes, business is particularly bad. So now European persons are getting all the winks, smiles and cum-ons, once reserved for the polite Japanese visitor. I was here a few nights ago. As it was raining and I thought a good spot to get a 100thb beer, get out of the rain. And check out the current talent. Even the "Japanese only" line to the left as you enter. Wanted Loverboy's hard earned Thai baht. They were asking 1, 500. I didn't bargain, as I wasn't picking and didn't want to waste their time.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2;1203698]Yes, business is particularly bad. So now European persons are getting all the winks, smiles and cum-ons, once reserved for the polite Japanese visitor. I was here a few nights ago. As it was raining and I thought a good spot to get a 100thb beer, get out of the rain. And check out the current talent. Even the "Japanese only" line to the left as you enter. Wanted Loverboy's hard earned Thai baht. They were asking 1, 500. I didn't bargain, as I wasn't picking and didn't want to waste their time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this information was new for me "Japanese line on the left". I was there 6 months agao and was more or less OK, now planing my next trip to Bangkok in November and hope to find some Non Pro, because this was my last experiences because the gilrs agree LT but not later than 7 am due to their jobs. Any another option / place near to this place for these Non Pro?

Actually better than usual.

Visited a few of the Saphan Kwai places. The first two, near the corner of soi 2, have been moving a bit upscale. No nudity, lots of customers coming in groups and having dinner (no farangs) , and not many girls dancing. The corner one is T-Ded 99 and the other one is Chat (used to be VDO). Big beer (+ ice, + bloody cold towel, etc) , comes to about 170 total. Some attitude if you don't want to have a girl foisted on you.

The next one down from T-Ded was almost deserted, with 2 girls dancing on one side of the place, and 2 way over on the other side. The vibe was a rather more raunchy than the first places, although the girls were a mixed bag. Stickers on the nipples.

The next one down after the food place had more customers and dancers, some of whom were naked, and not bad, and they brought me a girl I actually fancied to sit with me. After a beer I thought I'd give her a road test, and she very promptly told me the proper price, namely 1500. However then came the mamasan out of nowhere, and a head waiter dude, queuing for tips after I already tipped the waiter. Then when we get outside, there's a bunch of 5 motorcy guys who *all* want tips and aren't very pleasant about it (they didn't all get tips), and want to take us the short-time hotel. There is a perfectly good one around the corner, Suparb, about 150 a room. Their one turns out to be about 20m up the road from Suparb, maybe 2 minutes walk from the bar, and it's 350 a room. That nonsense was a bit of a mood killer already.

The performance in the room was perfunctory in the extreme, including that insufferable insistence on switching the main light off. Definitely worth about 300 baht. 1500 not so much. With tips and beer and sitting fee, it came to about 2400 in total, at which point I might as well have gone to Nana or a soapy. I have to add that her attitude was relatively good, for that area. At least, it wasn't any worse than I expected it to be, and she even managed some friendly responses. No English though.

It's possible to enjoy these places, but the odds are stacked against you, so you have to be in the right mood.

Hello, Everyone:

I asked this question in the Pattaya Forum and didn't get much response so I thought I'd ask here. I would be interested in hiring a responsible full time maid that would perform the common chores that one thinks of a maid doing but also providing some extra services.

In addition when I am in need, this can be a massage and sex as well. I was wondering if anyone on here has ever had that kind of an arrangement or know anyone who has? If so I was curious how much a month she was paid if she was expected to do the extras?

Thanks,

JohnnieB

Here you go:

[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/2635358075.html[/url]

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1203988]Hello, Everyone:

I asked this question in the Pattaya Forum and didn't get much response so I thought I'd ask here. I would be interested in hiring a responsible full time maid that would perform the common chores that one thinks of a maid doing but also providing some extra services.

In addition when I am in need, this can be a massage and sex as well. I was wondering if anyone on here has ever had that kind of an arrangement or know anyone who has? If so I was curious how much a month she was paid if she was expected to do the extras?

Thanks,

JohnnieB[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=David_33; 1203994]Here you go:

[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/2635358075.html[/url][/QUOTE]It looks a bit out of the affordable if on a monthly basis.

Hmm. Interesting for an occasional bit of fun but I don't think she'd fit what the OP was asking for. JohnnieBravo: might be better to ask around for a full time maid, interview a few likely-looking ones and if you see something you like mention that massage might be part of the duties. They are smart enough to figure out what that means, especially if you're a single farang. Depending on where you live, you can often advertise for a maid at some 7-11s (thought not many have those message boards any more) , outside the Villa on Sukhumvit 33 or by asking your building manager and security guards to spread the word.

[QUOTE=David_33; 1203994]Here you go:

[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/2635358075.html[/url][/QUOTE]-

Originally Posted by JohnnieBravo

Hello, Everyone:

I asked this question in the Pattaya Forum and didn't get much response so I thought I'd ask here. I would be interested in hiring a responsible full time maid that would perform the common chores that one thinks of a maid doing but also providing some extra services.

In addition when I am in need, this can be a massage and sex as well. I was wondering if anyone on here has ever had that kind of an arrangement or know anyone who has? If so I was curious how much a month she was paid if she was expected to do the extras?

Thanks,

JohnnieB.

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Yes it's true that if you use the official queue and the clerk issues the receipt you have to pay the 50bt. It *might* be safer than flagging down a cab at departure, but I doubt it. More importantly, it seems like far more of the cabs at the official 'queue' have rigged meters which inflate fares. At least that's been my experience the last 8-10 times I passed through, so now I flag cabs down at the departure level instead.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1203539]I'm under the impression that the taxi drivers need to pay that fee to the airport authority for queuing at the airport. If you pick up a taxi off-queue, that's a different matter, but as long as the queue clerk issues that paper, it seems unfair to the cabbie to avoid the 50b fee.

While it is true that crime in Thailand is low, arriving airline passengers are particularly vulnerable, and there actually was a case of a mad cabbie robbing and murdering passengers back in the Don Mueang days.[/QUOTE]

Here's a quick FR from a trip to Pretty Relax Suthisarn a few days ago. Might not be the cup of tea a lot of guys on this board are looking for, but perhaps it could be a break from the ol' Eden / Annie's discussions that seem to permeate around here. About 200 meters off Ratchadaphisek Road, best accessible if you have a car (I have a car and driver here, company provided) as it's a bit far walking wise if you take the subway to the MRT Suthisarn station. The shop is roadside, you can Google PrettyRelax Spa to find it. 1,000 Baht damage. The only thing you get is an HJ and so so oil rub down, but I dare say the girls in general are far more attractive than what you'd see in the tourist areas, I'd say borderline motorshow / product model type quality. The girl didn't really hint at any more options being available (other than taking off her top and bottom, but no sex) , but I got the impression that multiple visits could open up more doors and possibly vagina. .

Anyway, the session got me in the mood just right that I headed over to Poseidon afterwards for a more traditional soapy rub, tug, and FS session.

Visited Bangkok a week ago.

Stayed close to the scene on Soi 6 I. E. Close to Nana Plaza.

Plenty of Russians (Uzbek) , Moroccons and Africans availabe in the street arround Soi Arab, corner with Sukumvit, in and out side Grace Hotel.

Most of the available from BHT 1000 to BHT 2000.

Sometimes they sit in the coffe shop, even in Subway after soin 7 and some times even in McDonald arround the corner of Soi Nana.

They may start from BHT 1500 to BHT 2000. Africans and Uzbeks may go for BHT 1000. A class Uzbek insisit on BHT 1500 to BHT 2000.

Moroccons (probably spoiled by Arabs) ask for BHT 2000+.

There is a new bar Bamboo on Soi Arab opposite Grace Hotel. Entry BHT 100, no free drink and cousine exclusively local. Price from BHT 1000 to BHT 1500.

Had cute tall one from Issan for BHT 1000 ST. Very cooperative but nothing exceptional.

More to follow

Kiss is one of the Arab's bars. (Yes, I know he's Iranian but his nickname is "the Arab.") His bars on Soi Cowboy. Are usually bad news, and I mean really BAD news. Dean Barrett has warned about them here. The bars are Kiss, Sahara, Spice Girls, Deja Vu, Midnight and Rio. The Arab acquired Rawhide a few months ago and the old staff has moved to Long Gun, but I'm not sure what it has become under the Arab's rule.

Stickman has also written about the Arab's operations. But I have a hard time putting myself behind recommendations to boycott a business if I haven't had personal experience with it. So in July I went into Kiss on Soi Cowboy expecting a bad situation and that's what I got.

A San Miguel Light cost 180 baht, which is the most I can recall ever paying for a bottled beer in any go go or coyote bar in LOS. From the second I stepped in, there was extreme pressure to buy LDs, which went at a whopping 270 baht. Since I knew this would happen, I simply steeled myself and said "no" to the steady stream of dancers that asked for drinks.

Far worse were the two old hag mama-sans who also demanded (they didn't just ask, they demanded) drinks. I swear one minute didn't go by without someone asking or telling me to buy drinks.

At Kiss, there were two groups of dancers: coyotes and ordinary dancers, distinguished by different costumes. Apparently the dancers (at least some of them) can be barfined, the coyotees can't. The dancers (in bikinis) didn't look better or worse than the line-up in any other bar on Cowboy or Nana or in Pattaya, but the coyote line-up did indeed have a couple of good-looking girls. One of them started playing to me personally. That wasn't hard to do, since I was one of three customers in the bar at the time.

The young lady danced very well and had a seductive come-one from the stage. In any other bar, that would have been enough for me to buy her a drink. I know she's acting. That's her job. But she was acting well enough to get a drink. However, I didn't want to put one extra baht in the pocket of the Arab, so I called "chek bin." One of the mama-sans immediately began berating me with,"Why you no buy lady drink," but I kept my cool and just smiled. No point in arguing with her and I was out only 180 baht (I didn't leave a tip).

However, I thought the coyotee dancer deserved some reward, at least a token in recognition of her sexy demeanor, so I tossed her a miniature teddy bear as I walked out. That's when an already bad situation took a turn for the worse. The two old hags demanded I also give them bears. I was tempted to answer,"I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls if you were dying of thirst," but again I smiled and just said I didn't have any more (which was true).

This final encounter with the wicked witch of Soi Cowboy took place while I was walking out of Kiss and I kept moving the whole time. But just outside of Kiss, the mama-san blocked my forward progress. Immediately the door staff closed ranks behind her. She demanded very forcibly that I give her something. Push had come to shove, at least verbally.

I knew I couldn't get past the mama-san and the slightest sign of aggression would have been met with a beat-down from the bouncers. I maintained my smile and answered that I nothing to give her. She didn't step aside and I wondered how long she intended to hold me hostage. Some intensive conversation took place between the bouncers and the mama-san and I imagined they were asking her what I had done and if I should get a clobbering. Perhaps they thought a stalemate just outside the entrance was a pretty silly situation.

I then decided to get creative. A group of farang were passing by in the middle of the soi. I waved and called out to them,"Wait for me, I'll be with you in a second." They didn't know me from Adam, but they responded to the shout-out and wave by stopping. The mama-san and door staff turned to see what was happening and at that point, I slipped past them into the soi. I was praying to all gods known and unknown that I wouldn't get a punch to the back of my head. Even as I moved into the flow of the pedestrian traffic, I half expected to hear running feet behind me.

But nothing happened. The friendly but startled farangs to which I had called didn't speak much English and were even more confused when I told them,"Sorry, I mistook you for a cavalry detachment." I was very lucky they passed by at just that second.

So if you're considering a visit to one of the Arab's bars, remember you're not in Kansas anymore, Toto. A house isn't going to drop on one of the Arab's wicked witches and I doubt even a bucket of carbolic acid would have an effect on their reptile hides.

Bottom line: avoid the Arab's bars. Nothing good can happen there.

Evil

Great reporting E. P. Sounds like you almost deserved hazard pay while checking out Kiss Bar, but I think you handled the situation well. I generally don't like to endorse the concept of a boycott, but I have to admit I wouldn't mind if this guy lost enough money to throw in the towel and sell his bars to someone with a more accommodating business plan.

I dropped by Sahara one time when I was last on Cowboy. It was very early in the evening and I was just trying to kill 30 minutes before meeting up with a cute girl from Baccara that I had made a date with the previous evening. I was curious about Sahara bar's approach and the whole coyote dancer thing. It was very early and I was the only guy in the bar so I did not get much insight. The bar was playing decent rock – a plus. I bought a beer and a couple of the girls on stage gave me the look. One not so cute girl sat down next to me and immediately started hitting me up for a drink. I was not interested in her so I was not buying her anything, but I remained cordial and aloof as I drank my beer. My main interest was trying to see if I could tell the difference between the regular bar girls and the Coyotes and except for the costume, I could not see much of a difference. After about 20 minutes, it was time to go and I went across the street to find my little go go girl. I was still the only customer in Sahara when I left. No one gave me a hard time, the music was good, and the girls were on the whole, pretty average. The bottom line for me was I just don't feel like spending my money in a bar where a certain percentage of girls are not available for takeout. This is Soi Cowboy, Bangkok not Des Moines, Iowa.

What a difference across the street in Baccara. B was already jumping (8:30pm) with a ton of girls on stage and lots of customers. Some knock it, but I like Baccara. Anyway, I spotted the girl I had planned to meet. She was at a table with some Korean guy who had bought her a drink. A waitress who knew me guided me over to a booth to the right of the stage. I ordered a beer and started to check out the girls on stage. I glanced over to the table where my go go girl and the Korean guy were sitting. She smiled at me. A few minutes later the Korean got up, paid his bill and left the bar alone. Then my little girl came over to my table and the rest of the night was very good.

Question: Do these Coyote bars: Kiss, Sahara, Spice Girls, Deja Vu, Midnight and Rio ever get a lot of customers or is it always slow over there? I am going to make a note of that when I get back to Cowboy in February.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel; 1204255]Bottom line: avoid the Arab's bars. Nothing good can happen there.

Evil[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1204281]Question: Do these Coyote bars: Kiss, Sahara, Spice Girls, Deja Vu, Midnight and Rio ever get a lot of customers or is it always slow over there? I am going to make a note of that when I get back to Cowboy in February.[/QUOTE]The night I was there, I saw only two other customers in Kiss. Of course, I was there only 10 minutes. But I've never read any reports that indicate the Arab's bars have more than a handful of customers. By contrast, I've seen Tilac and Baccara so full with customers you couldn't find a seat.

Evil

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1204304]I love how you free market capitalists think. LOL.

If lots of girls are getting 2k its not VERY OVERpriced is it. Be happy the girls arent factoring inflation, over the past 7 years the prices have remained quite constant while the price of rice has gone up quite a bit.[/QUOTE]When you walk down sukhumvit and ask how much that t-shirt is from the vendor and he says 500b, do you you pay 500b? Of course not! The t-shirt is only worth about 150b maybe less. You haggle down the price to something that is more reasonable. Or do you get into a parked taxi outside of a hotel who quotes you some inflated price? Of course not, you wave down a moving taxi who turns the meter on.

Many guys don't understand that the Nana Cowboy scene is geared mainly to tourists who no nothing about pricing. If you've scene the scope of the sex industry in LOS all the way from cheap brothels to high end massage parlors, you'd understand that the quality that is found in Nana and Cowboy is overpriced at 2k for one pop / one hour plus a barfine. Most of the same quality of girls can be found in establishments geared mainly to thais at a fraction of that price. Most, if not all, thais wouldn't pay 2k ST for the same quality that tourists pay in Nana or cowboy. Thais understand that most tourists are ignorant and they exploit it. It's the Thai way!

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1202175]Germany is sex paradise. You.

There are good Thai girls in Germany too.[/QUOTE]Agreed! Lots of them!

Hi got this nice lady from the beer garden s / t 1, 500

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1204519]When you walk down sukhumvit and ask how much that t-shirt is from the vendor and he says 500b, do you you pay 500b? Of course not! The t-shirt is only worth about 150b maybe less. You haggle down the price to something that is more reasonable. Or do you get into a parked taxi outside of a hotel who quotes you some inflated price? Of course not, you wave down a moving taxi who turns the meter on.

Many guys don't understand that the Nana Cowboy scene is geared mainly to tourists who no nothing about pricing. If you've scene the scope of the sex industry in LOS all the way from cheap brothels to high end massage parlors, you'd understand that the quality that is found in Nana and Cowboy is overpriced at 2k for one pop / one hour plus a barfine. Most of the same quality of girls can be found in establishments geared mainly to thais at a fraction of that price. Most, if not all, thais wouldn't pay 2k ST for the same quality that tourists pay in Nana or cowboy. Thais understand that most tourists are ignorant and they exploit it. It's the Thai way![/QUOTE]So true so true. Most Thais would not go near a girl that had Soi Cowboy type looks. The longer I am here the less attractive I find them as well. 2000 plus barfine plus drinks, that would get you a VERY nice soapy gal that would be attractive.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1204304]I love how you free market capitalists think. LOL.

If lots of girls are getting 2k its not VERY OVERpriced is it. Be happy the girls arent factoring inflation, over the past 7 years the prices have remained quite constant while the price of rice has gone up quite a bit.[/QUOTE]? The price have soared over the last 7 years. 7 years ago any gal in Cowboy or Nana would have gone for 1k short and 1. 5 k long.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel; 1204486]The night I was there, I saw only two other customers in Kiss. Of course, I was there only 10 minutes. But I've never read any reports that indicate the Arab's bars have more than a handful of customers. By contrast, I've seen Tilac and Baccara so full with customers you couldn't find a seat.

Evil[/QUOTE]Maybe that's why they have to resort to the tactics that NB refered to in his post. I for sure will be staying far away from these my next trip to BKK. Thanks NB for the headsup!

Beer garden later that night.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1204519]When you walk down sukhumvit and ask how much that t-shirt is from the vendor and he says 500b, do you you pay 500b? Of course not! The t-shirt is only worth about 150b maybe less. You haggle down the price to something that is more reasonable. Or do you get into a parked taxi outside of a hotel who quotes you some inflated price? Of course not, you wave down a moving taxi who turns the meter on.

Many guys don't understand that the Nana Cowboy scene is geared mainly to tourists who no nothing about pricing. If you've scene the scope of the sex industry in LOS all the way from cheap brothels to high end massage parlors, you'd understand that the quality that is found in Nana and Cowboy is overpriced at 2k for one pop / one hour plus a barfine. Most of the same quality of girls can be found in establishments geared mainly to thais at a fraction of that price. Most, if not all, thais wouldn't pay 2k ST for the same quality that tourists pay in Nana or cowboy. Thais understand that most tourists are ignorant and they exploit it. It's the Thai way![/QUOTE]Hello, Amjeck, agree with you and I am one of these "tourist" paying these prices in Nana even if I know the "taxis" and "T-shirt" prices there. The reason is mainly my lack of time and take "quick decisions" and girls there in Nana or around. Thermae cafe seems to be more for Non Pro or girls with a job and looking for some extra money (maybe I am wrong?) ; therefore, it would be nice your advices for these places you know where I can get more "value" for my mney. Thans in advancnon for your suggestions with locations and prices of these places non over priced you ay know.

From the Beer Garden soi 7 Bangkok

Next day at the beer garden soi 7 Bangkok.

Got this lady at about 11:00 am.

I can not recommend her.

Soon as we back to the room it was down from 2 pops to 1.

And more thai bart.

I just pay her so she can leave.

[QUOTE=Syzygies]There are good Thai girls in Germany too.

[QUOTE=Kiwi 69;1204521]Agreed! Lots of them![/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Where to find them? Please report in the Germany section!

Well, there have been some exceptional Thai beauties in Berlin 2-3 years ago, but it seems they are all gone now.

[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1204621]Thermae cafe seems to be more for Non Pro or girls with a job and looking for some extra money (maybe I am wrong?)[/QUOTE]You think normal non-pro thai girls hang out in Thermae? LOL

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1204588]So true so true. Most Thais would not go near a girl that had Soi Cowboy type looks. The longer I am here the less attractive I find them as well. 2000 plus barfine plus drinks, that would get you a VERY nice soapy gal that would be attractive.[/QUOTE]Very true. I have not been with a gogo girl for ages now.

Freelancers = Yes.

Massage girls = Yes.

Soapie = Yes.

Gogo girls = No. Not very attractive, overpriced and often service levels are not that good.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1204695]You think normal non-pro thai girls hang out in Thermae? LOL[/QUOTE]Been going to Tmae for 12 years and the answer is yes, there are girls that go a few days a month to supplement their incomes.

I fly in Thur this week. Just heard on the radio about the flooding.

Should I bring my life jacket?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1204838]Been going to Tmae for 12 years and the answer is yes, there are girls that go a few days a month to supplement their incomes.[/QUOTE]Point is that if she's going to Thermae, she's a pro.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1204838]Been going to Tmae for 12 years and the answer is yes, there are girls that go a few days a month to supplement their incomes.[/QUOTE]To Goatscrot,

If they take money for sex that is pro it don't matter they do it every day or just once a month is still P4P in my book.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Perth Boy; 1204884]I fly in Thur this week. Just heard on the radio about the flooding.

Should I bring my life jacket?[/QUOTE]Don't need a lifejacket but an umbrella would be handy.

i have been here for ten days and have covered them all. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] left a lot to be desired, ez good but only two girls on at 12 noon, eden club a complete rip off, and far from expectation (maybe the place has degenerated since new big boss took over a few years ago) , a body massage lady in soi11 very good value and prepared to come to star hotel short time for 1500baht. the best bet for me was a girl i met in biergarten who brought her friend along to short term hotel for 1500 baht all up. a bit wham bam and thank you mam but she floated my boat.

tourists staying away because of flooding and qantas strike but otherwise still an exciting city and pussy galore.

bj

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1204896]To Goatscrot,

If they take money for sex that is pro it don't matter they do it every day or just once a month is still P4P in my book.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Guess I make a distinction between semi-pros and pros. The pros are the gals that are there EVERY night. It is their only job. The semi-pros are those gals that have regular jobs that don't pay them enough and they swing by Tmae a few times a month to supplement the income. They tend to be choosier with who they go with. Once had a gal that drove me to the ST hotel in her car. She worked for Citi, now works for a Japanese Co.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1204885]Point is that if she's going to Thermae, she's a pro.[/QUOTE]A friend once said," All women are wh(*&s and all men are consumers." I agree 100.

Funny take on this by another friend was,"All women are wh(*&s, except my mother." I still laugh when I think about him saying that.

GS

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1204809]Your description of thermae leaves a lot to be desired.

Don't worry if you are paying 2000 short time sir. Its an ok rate.

If you want value be prepared to have fun with old ugly girls.[/QUOTE]Not really, plenty of talent and value with young and sexy girls as well. Just depends on which head you listen to.

[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1204621]Hello, Amjeck, agree with you and I am one of these "tourist" paying these prices in Nana even if I know the "taxis" and "T-shirt" prices there. The reason is mainly my lack of time and take "quick decisions" and girls there in Nana or around. Thermae cafe seems to be more for Non Pro or girls with a job and looking for some extra money (maybe I am wrong?) ; therefore, it would be nice your advices for these places you know where I can get more "value" for my mney. Thans in advancnon for your suggestions with locations and prices of these places non over priced you ay know.[/QUOTE]The truth of the matter is that most girls go where they go to work due to their friend working there. I almost never meet a girl who chose to work in Nana or Cowboy or Thermae or wherever due to the money being better. Some of the freelancers, on the other hand, used to work gogos or beer bars and decided they liked the freedom of going solo. If you are up for forking out 2000 baht at Nana than so be it, join the crowds. Thermae girls tend to quote the same price these days, especially in that most of them are going with Japanese for those prices. However. 1500 is totally viable and I have pulled several for 1000 if it is getting late or biz is slow. Around 2, you shouldn't be paying more than 1000 anywhere, it is just too damn late, although there is the crowd that goes to Insomnia and Climax and try to get more.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1204304]I love how you free market capitalists think. LOL.

If lots of girls are getting 2k its not VERY OVERpriced is it. Be happy the girls arent factoring inflation, over the past 7 years the prices have remained quite constant while the price of rice has gone up quite a bit.[/QUOTE]Outrageously overpriced. 7 years ago, it was 43 baht to the dollar and the girls were going ST for 1000 without negotiating. That means it has gone from $23 to $66, just about 300. I guess when one lives here it is a whole different ballgame. If they want 2000 in a gogo bar, I get a number and make an appointment outside of hours. And believe me they don't charge those prices then.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1204945]A friend once said," All women are wh (*s and all men are consumers." I agree 100.

Funny take on this by another friend was,"All women are wh (*s, except my mother." I still laugh when I think about him saying that.

GS[/QUOTE]To GS.

There are some pro at Thermae that only go with Japanese if some say no to you that don't mean they are not Pro, some of the hot one there don't even look at you very picky pro, I don't see any other reason for regular girl go to Thermae.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1205071]Ill try this.

All thai girls are not created equal. A 2ooo baht girl might be way underpriced yet one who charges 500 baht may be overpriced.

Re baht value to foreign currency value. Not a legit argument. LOL. Try explaining to issan noi why you prefer to pay them them in your home currency.[/QUOTE]That is true. That is why I tell them that at 30 baht for a plate of rice and two toppings, ST for 1000 baht is actually 30 days worth of lunch, and is actually a heck of a lot of cash.

[quote=gentleboner;1204885]point is that if she's going to thermae, she's a pro.[/quote]damn, i love the place. ended up getting regular impulsive service from there after getting their mobile numbers. i always got quoted 2, 000 st and often lt was not in the offering (some said studying other say work so lt not possible. never paid more than 1500 st though. i always said no to the original 2000 quote and just hung out. would ask again 30 minutes later and almost always said yes. it was just enough time to buy myself another rounds.

there is some "organization" there as there tended to be a couple girls who demanded the highest price. after watching this paricular hot girl, i notices other girls seemed to checkin with her. maybe they were all friends but i had a sense she was a hub for some girls. she was thin, probably 25-30, smoking hot thai with very light complexion. i would say past model type. never nailed her though her price was always high and never dropped. actually, her friends never dripped their prices either so i never got to ask those girls if they were all running together.

anyways, i met a uni student there, looked a little out of place. offered her 1000 st she countered 2000. not even close. i tried 1500 and she said nope. rechecked her 30 minutes later and she took 1500 for st. 2 pops and only about 75 minutes though. got her mobile but whenever i called she said she was studying. saw her again at thermae and she remembered me but insisted on 2000st. checked her again after 30 minutes and she said ok.

my other memoriable girl was a "d cup" girl. same price bullshit but got her number and she was ony speed dial. any time i called, she be at my apartment within 30 minutes and never asked for more than the 1500. only 1 pop with her but lots of tittie playtime before the act, so i was happy.

maybe i am funnier after 30 minutes of additional boozing. either way, extra drinks are cheaper there.

Hello, All.

I am actually on my way back to LOS (Nana) and all the news highlights is showing serious flooding and evacuation. Is this true? Please help. Is it empty at Nana right now.

Thanks.

A. B

I just spent a couple of days in Bangkok. The first thing I must say about Bangkok, as a NYer, is that cabs are cheap. A cab from the airport to Bangkok is $10-$12. A cab from NYC to JFK is 65-75. They seem like a similar distance. I stayed at the Westin Sukhumvit. There is a lot of fun to be had in Bangkok. I am sure that I made a bunch of Rookie mistakes, similar to my initial trips to HK.

For some afternoon fun I went to Annie's. I saw JJ. She had a great attitude. We started with a bath. She cleaned me a little and did this thing were she grabs the sides and gives me a nude lapdance. Then a BJ. I made her stop so I can enjoy the full time. We dried off, and then she gave me a dry massage, sex and I finished in her mouth. Overall a great time.

My second stop for fun, was a nightime trip to Tilac. I know this is going to sound mean, but the women who work there who arent for sale, the ones that serve you a drink and give you a seat, are scary looking. Back on point, I watched the women dancing and relaxed for while. Smiled at a few ladies and discouraged a few. One who came over to me was Nampu. She was pretty, although, she did have a need for some braces. She was very touchy and sweet and I was convinced after a drink and hanging for a while to barfine her. The mistake I made was not negotiating the fun first. She took the barfine money and came back dressed like a typical thai girl. I liked that. In HK, sometimes I feel like everyone is staring at the ladies when you bring them back. I assume everyone knows in Bangkok when a white guy and a Thai girl walk in, but it makes me feel better. We went back to the room and had a shower. We negotiated an amount for long time. I know I paid more then I should, but you love and learn. If I caused inflation, I apologize to everyone. I did better next time. ANyhow, we had 2 rounds of fun and then one more in the late morning. Yes I paid too much, but I got real value. I usually play in London. So, what I pay for 1 hour in London, gets me at least 3 nights of fun I Bangkok.

The next night I went baccara, top floor with the topless dancers. I don't remember her name, but I was seduced by a pretty lady from Isaan. We negotiated a short term price. We spent about 90minutes from when we entered my room. Not too bad. She was fun and pretty. One thing was when she was grinding on me naked part of me got in her with a condom. She was pushing further in and I popped out and said that the condoms were in a drawer. We then screwed and came on her face. It was fund.

The last activity I had was a pickup of a very pretty lad at Barsu. She was pretty and we just made out for an hour on and off in in the bar after I bought her a drink. We came up with a price for the night until I had a to check out at 3pm the next day. We did oral and regular sex on and off all night. From the second our clothes came off, we were naked until after we showered after noon. She left after a final role at around 1:30. Wow. She was so into it, man it was good.

So, thats my trip. It was a short stop off on my to HK for work. FUN FUN FUN!

[QUOTE=Asia Butterfly; 1205396]Hello, All.

I am actually on my way back to LOS (Nana) and all the news highlights is showing serious flooding and evacuation. Is this true? Please help. Is it empty at Nana right now.

Thanks.

A. B[/QUOTE]Can you possibly give up to date ground level news on the situation.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1204809]Your description of thermae leaves a lot to be desired.

Don't worry if you are paying 2000 short time sir. Its an ok rate.

If you want value be prepared to have fun with old ugly girls.[/QUOTE]So not true. I have gotten many quality girls for 1K.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1205485]So not true. I have gotten many quality girls for 1K.[/QUOTE]And now during low season MOST of the Tmae gals will go for 1. 5k.

[QUOTE=Oldian;1205250]That is true. That is why I tell them that at 30 baht for a plate of rice and two toppings, ST for 1000 baht is actually 30 days worth of lunch, and is actually a heck of a lot of cash.[/QUOTE]You're well behind the times, IMHO. It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water. Your supermarket shopping trolley rarely comes to less than 1000 Baht unless you stick to cheap Fruit and Vegs.

1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.

If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.

Look a decent 2 hour sex session in my country would cost be a week's rent on a very nice house. A week's rent on a very nice house in Bangkok will cost a lot more than 1K. Okay sex should be cheaper by a bigger ratio due to the very high supply of girls wanting to be fucked for money.

5 years ago, a pretty soapy M. P. Girl was happy enough to make just 1K for each 2 hr. Customer, but not anymore.

I sometimes see Thai school kids aged maybe 12, with iPads, these days. Obviously from a well off family. Many Thais on the train have iPhones. These things are not much cheaper in Thailand than in a western country. Thai working girls may not be able to afford iPhones, but I bet they want a pretty flash one, just the same.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1205484]Can you possibly give up to date ground level news on the situation.[/QUOTE]Right now no flood problem for Nana, Cowboy, Soi 33.

High tide of the river (s) , canals to be expected for 16/17/18 October (Sunday to Tuesday).


Giotto
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I've been coming regularly to Thailand for the past 10 years for work. I have done all the usuals and in general had a great time. Loads of fun and hot sex. For the past year I tried the internet thing. Hooking up with non-pros. And it is possible to get plenty of free sex. I met this girl in June that is up for everything. Cute and sexy. But a bit plump. But sex is great and no does not exist in her vocabulary. No money involved. She even buys me small gifts when we meet. I have only been paying for drinks in bars when we go out together to pick up girls for threesomes and lesbian action. This girl is really a performer!

I am in BKK now and today I have two dates with girls I met online that agreed to sex and no money. Just fun.

Some say why bother plenty of girls around. That is true. However, I like warming up at home preparing for my next trip and setting up meetings with girls. Many of them are also very willing to do nasty things on webcam. It is all fun. All enjoy.

Hi,

I will be landing this Saturday, October 15 into Bangkok. Want to know how bad is the rain, is there any floods? I am planning in staying in Phachara Suites in Sukhumvit Road. Is this area flooded or is everything ok?

Thank you in advance for your prompt response.

El Hombre Contento

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1205572]It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water.[/QUOTE]Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1205572]1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.[/QUOTE]1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. All they need to do is 5 quick fucks (5 hours of work) and they already make more than their fathers who slaves over the farm (300 hours / month).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1205572]If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.[/QUOTE]Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly, far more than their worth on a Thai level! Just because they expect to make a lot doesn't mean we as mongers should give in to their high demanding prices. Unfortunatley, most guys think with their heart and not their heads.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1205572]You're well behind the times, IMHO. It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water. Your supermarket shopping trolley rarely comes to less than 1000 Baht unless you stick to cheap Fruit and Vegs.

1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.

If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.

Look a decent 2 hour sex session in my country would cost be a week's rent on a very nice house. A week's rent on a very nice house in Bangkok will cost a lot more than 1K. Okay sex should be cheaper by a bigger ratio due to the very high supply of girls wanting to be fucked for money.

5 years ago, a pretty soapy M. P. Girl was happy enough to make just 1K for each 2 hr. Customer, but not anymore.

I sometimes see Thai school kids aged maybe 12, with iPads, these days. Obviously from a well off family. Many Thais on the train have iPhones. These things are not much cheaper in Thailand than in a western country. Thai working girls may not be able to afford iPhones, but I bet they want a pretty flash one, just the same.[/QUOTE]1000 Baht for an hours work is FAR more money than 95% of the people in this country make.

Soapy and oily prices have not increased in the least over the last 12 years, with the exception of the 100 baht "tax" that was added to soapies in I think 03, yet the GOGO price has increased over 100.

The only thing that matters is the local economy, not the costs back home.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1205728]Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?

1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. All they need to do is 5 quick fucks (5 hours of work) and they already make more than their fathers who slaves over the farm (300 hours / month).

Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly, far more than their worth on a Thai level! Just because they expect to make a lot doesn't mean we as mongers should give in to their high demanding prices. Unfortunatley, most guys think with their heart and not their heads.[/QUOTE]Very well stated!

[QUOTE=Jupiter; 1205596]I've been coming regularly to Thailand for the past 10 years for work. I have done all the usuals and in general had a great time. Loads of fun and hot sex. For the past year I tried the internet thing. Hooking up with non-pros. And it is possible to get plenty of free sex. I met this girl in June that is up for everything. Cute and sexy. But a bit plump. But sex is great and no does not exist in her vocabulary. No money involved. She even buys me small gifts when we meet. I have only been paying for drinks in bars when we go out together to pick up girls for threesomes and lesbian action. This girl is really a performer!

Great, enjoy while sun shines, by the way what sites?

Ciao!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1205728]Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?[/QUOTE]LOL.

A girl might not be a luxury item at all. That's why she must be cheap. Right?

Bankers? You mean those guys from Wall Street. Yep, they are quite f* right now, no more 500 USD lunch, except they were shorting the markets during the past few weeks.

Sorry, I find this discussion strange. It "does not matter what we pay in our home countries", "it matters what the average income is in this country". And when I came to Bangkok 12 years ago the prices were quite similar to where they are today. A bit more expensive today in the Gogo's. But who goes there and expects real service?. Oh, I forgot, those specialists, who know (and complain about the prices).

BTW, Goatsrot, are you aware that the "local economy" was quite strong in the past few years? Unemployment low, difficult for the bars to get girls for the business? Salaries / wages rising?

I for myself enjoy the luxury items (several cups of coffee every day) and pay the prices (coffee is really expensive here). I don't really care how much it is. If it is fun, why should I care? I even don't want it to be cheap, that keeps it reserved for me, and I even pay a bit more then. That's luxury, right? Wow, I am a real asshole. I know! I really enjoy being an asshole. Better than being a Cheap Charlie!

For all those who cannot afford Thailand any more. Singapore and Hongkong should be an option. It's all much cheaper there. 250/300 all night (ok, it's SGD) or 1500/2000 all night (HKD). But this currency exchange problems are all the fault of this damned Wall Street Bankers (drinking too much coffee). They destroy all reasonable currency exchange rates! The locals here in Thailand are really NOT responsible for that.

Let's talk about the impact of the current flood on the prices, guys. I think I pay a little more in the next few days. 3000 all night, ok? Will help all those poor farmer families, who cannot grow rice right now. They basically do what they always do (NOTHING). But I think I can help them a bit. I think that's the right thing to do. But - we should not talk about that. Cheap is good!

BTW, the girls really like me (I am so handsome!). I overpay, constantly. Sorry for that!

Giotto

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1205572]If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.[/QUOTE]

Income disparity in Thailand is huge. Most prositutes who serve Farang are usually barely literate, and people in their class either live at subsistence level as farmers, or make 6-8k/month as maids, food vendors or laborers. A clean-cut 7-11 girl (a step up from most Isan freelancers/bargirls) , makes 200 baht/day (soon to be 300).

If these same Isan hookers served Thai guys in Bangkok (at the low end at Yaowarat or Atsadang, since that's what they'd get with their generally flat looks) , they would be paid no more than a 300-500 ST rate.

Farang pay more, and usually we do get more in terms of service. But we don't need to overpay. 1000 baht is more than enough for a quick romp in Bangkok. For 1h of work, that is *triple* of what the nice 7-11 girl gets in a day, and the hooker still has a chance to do another punter or two. In Pattaya, most (80%) of freelancers are still OK with 500 baht for ST, although they're increasingly going for 700, and their costs are *not* lower.

1500 would be OK for a middle-class girl (that maybe got close to a university, or looks decent, raising their earning potential to 10k / mo) and a traditional. 2-3 hour ST (which is increasingly becoming a thing of the past).

Guys who agree to inflated prices get neither respect nor better service from the girls. It's one thing to leave a generous and well-deserved tip after a great session (by all means, encourage good behavior and be a decent human being!), but quite another to accept a higher-than-going-rate price upfront.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1205728]1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly,[/QUOTE]You are gd right 1000 baht is a lot of money. I look at it like this. My rent is 4500 / month. If a girl is looking to make 50K+ (which I seriously doubt, but Giotto could tell us better than anyone else) like you said and her rent is somewhat similar to mine then she will come out with 10X that of her rent. How many people in western countries can say they are earning 10X their rent? And yes I eat at the electronics mall all of the time for 40 baht / plate, although I usually buy 2 plates.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1205765]LOL.

A girl might not be a luxury item at all. That's why she must be cheap. Right?

Bankers? You mean those guys from Wall Street. Yep, they are quite f* right now, no more 500 USD lunch, except they were shorting the markets during the past few weeks.

Sorry, I find this discussion strange. It "does not matter what we pay in our home countries","it matters what the average income is in this country". And when I came to Bangkok 12 years ago the prices were quite similar to where they are today. A bit more expensive today in the Gogo's. But who goes there and expects real service. Oh, I forgot, those specialists, who know (and complain about the prices).

BTW, Goatsrot, are you aware that the "local economy" was quite strong in the past few years? Unemployment low, difficult for the bars to get girls for the business? Salaries / wages rising?

I for myself enjoy the luxury items (several cups of coffee every day) and pay the prices (coffee is really expensive here). I don't really care how much it is. If it is fun, why should I care? I even don't want it to be cheap, that keeps it reserved for me, and I even pay a bit more then. That's luxury, right? Wow, I am a real asshole. I know! I really enjoy being an asshole. Better than being a Cheap Charlie!

For all those who cannot afford Thailand any more. Singapore and Hongkong should be an option. It's all much cheaper there. 250/300 all night (ok, it's SGD) or 1500/2000 all night (HKD). But this currency exchange problems are all the fault of this damned Wall Street Bankers (drinking too much coffee). They destroy all reasonable currency exchange rates! The locals here in Thailand are really NOT responsible for that.

Let's talk about the impact of the current flood on the prices, guys. I think I pay a little more in the next few days. 3000 all night, ok? Will help all those poor farmer families, who cannot grow rice right now. They basically do what they always do (NOTHING). But I think I can help them a bit. I think that's the right thing to do. But. We should not talk about that. Cheap is good!

BTW, the girls really like me (I am so handsome!). I overpay, constantly. Sorry for that!

Giotto[/QUOTE]Giotto, I am well aware of the local economy having run a business with quite a few employees over the last 10 years. Unemployment is low but most folks still make very little and most businesses carry way more employees than they need due to poor productivity per employee, but that is how Thailand does it, and hats off to them, it seems to work.

Prices similar? When I first came to BKK over 12 years ago a beer was 80 baht in a gogo. Bar fines on Cowboy were 400 baht, One did not even need to discuss 1k LT with girls. I would say those prices (with the exception of the bar fine) are up over 100. I would call that more than a "bit more expensive." A Hen in 7-11 was about 25 baht when I came to BKK, now 47. Not that I drink the swill, but it is a good indicator of the inflation rate here. How many Thais with degrees do you know that are making over 40k baht a month? Folks still start at less than 15k out of Uni. Most near 10.

As I stated in a previous post. Oilies and Soapies have been consistent in their pricing, gogos have not. You pay WAY more than you used to for WAY less when it comes to service. So we agree on that point.

I would say that paying too much has far more effect on attitudes than it does anything else. It brings FAR less fun. Give an uneducated farmer's daughter the money a Dr makes and all of the sudden her "s*t don't stink" so to speak.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1205790]Income disparity in Thailand is huge. Most prositutes who serve Farang are usually barely literate, and people in their class either live at subsistence level as farmers, or make 6-8k / month as maids, food vendors or laborers. A clean-cut 7-11 girl (a step up from most Isan freelancers / bargirls) , makes 200 baht / day (soon to be 300).

If these same Isan hookers served Thai guys in Bangkok (at the low end at Yaowarat or Atsadang, since that's what they'd get with their generally flat looks) , they would be paid no more than a 300-500 ST rate.

Farang pay more, and usually we do get more in terms of service. But we don't need to overpay. 1000 baht is more than enough for a quick romp in Bangkok. For 1h of work, that is *triple* of what the nice 7-11 girl gets in a day, and the hooker still has a chance to do another punter or two. In Pattaya, most (80%) of freelancers are still OK with 500 baht for ST, although they're increasingly going for 700, and their costs are *not* lower.

1500 would be OK for a middle-class girl (that maybe got close to a university, or looks decent, raising their earning potential to 10k / mo) and a traditional. 2-3 hour ST (which is increasingly becoming a thing of the past).

Guys who agree to inflated prices get neither respect nor better service from the girls. It's one thing to leave a generous and well-deserved tip after a great session (by all means, encourage good behavior and be a decent human being!) , but quite another to accept a higher-than-going-rate price upfront.[/QUOTE]You are correct. Girls do not respect guys who overpay. Quite the opposite. They look upon them as fools and subsequently they begin to look at all as fools. I guess that most probably are.

One point about Thai men though. To say they are all cheap is not true. Just head out to The Piano or one of many Hostess Bars or Karaokes. They spend quite a bit of money on gals and sometimes get very little in return, but they are going with far better looking gals than can be had in Cowboy or Nana.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1205839]You are correct. Girls do not respect guys who overpay. Quite the opposite. They look upon them as fools and subsequently they begin to look at all as fools. I guess that most probably are.[/QUOTE]Overpay? Thai working girls "love" guys that overpay. They are in the game for money, and the more money the better. Once the money is in their hands, the next thought is som tum!

Respect? That's funny. You think they respect a guy that wants to give them 500 baht for a fcuk. Think again. You're a "hia" in their eyes.

Fools? Yes, there is nothing more foolish than a man who spends money while thinking with his dick! I know because I do it all the time. ;)

I second a bit Giotto.

If I can afford it I am generous: bring in a little gift, extend the LD to another 1 or 2 ladies chatting around even if I have one, give a tip (not a fortune) as a gesture, even to those workers not giving you sexual services, such as the bar waitress, treat them like human being.

I paid a girl 5000b. For a 3 day / night and she was happy, I paid her friend 3k for a night. Surely they speak to each other. But I do not see signs of "anger" in their faces. I play the butterfly not only for a variety but to spread my expenditures with more girls at the bar. So more can benefit of my fun money.

Some girls struggle to put together many customers in a month some adds up one after the other.

But I do not overpay as a fool as I hate being cheated.

I don't think I appear as the stupid farang if I offer LD to a couple of girls with no second meaning.

I know they get a little share from it, so why not? I am often the first one to order a LD to the girl sitting with me, but I reject those begging for it. I don't play their strategy.

Talking about Giotto's LL, it is not a cheap establishment, but gives what you pay for in a friendly atmosphere and environment. So why not?

Am I overspending in paying the LL BF? It does not come for cheap, but I know cheap and loud charlies are automatically excluded by this. Surely Giotto should review it, but he risks to have a bar empty of girls at 10pm and he can't afford that.

If I run a bar I would use the same strategy. .

Make it exclusive, make it desirable.

Needless to' say girls can't be' starfishes then!

Ultimately and with no offence to' anybody: if you can afford it, go for it and enjoy it!

Satisfaction is also in the (upper) head!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1205868]Overpay? Thai working girls "love" guys that overpay. They are in the game for money, and the more money the better. Once the money is in their hands, the next thought is som tum!

Respect? That's funny. You think they respect a guy that wants to give them 500 baht for a fcuk. Think again. You're a "hia" in their eyes.

Fools? Yes, there is nothing more foolish than a man who spends money while thinking with his dick! I know because I do it all the time. .[/QUOTE]First of all, I am an oily guy. Set price. 1 1/2 hrs 2100k. Difference is I know what level of service I am going to get. Girls are polite and most have a well developed skill set.

GoGos are an unknown quantity and to pay 2k to a gal who is going to want to run off after a quick screw is nuts.

And yes, when you look at the way most WGs in GoGo treat their "customers" it is with very little respect. They speak and act in ways that would get them slapped in most places and sit back and laugh about it with their friends, but of course most guys have no idea what is happening because they do not speak the language.

I agree, a man that tries to pay 500 baht is pretty cheap. I don't think I ever mentioned that amount by the way. The amount in question was 1k baht for ST. I would gladly pay a gal 1. 5k if she was good looking and willing to provide the level of service that I expect, no matter what the venue.

And again, one of the issues here is that "guys don't come to Thailand to f&^k wh&*^s, they come here to date wh&*^s." Myself, I want to go to a venue, have a PSE for 1 1/2 and then leave. Don't want to hear about momma, kids, or any of that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1205889]First of all, I am an oily guy. Set price. 1 1/2 hrs 2100k. Difference is I know what level of service I am going to get. Girls are polite and most have a well developed skill set.[/QUOTE]Yeah, me, too. I like the massage shops and know exactly where to go to get my rocks off. It's nice to be able to make a booking and take your time with a woman, (or two), that you know.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1205889]GoGos are an unknown quantity and to pay 2k to a gal who is going to want to run off after a quick screw is nuts.[/QUOTE]I agree with you here, somewhat, but some of my memorable sessions have been with go-go dancers. You can tell a lot by the way they dance. You can also tell a lot by what they do, (i. e., how they treat you), when you invite them over for a drink. I live with a former go-go dancer, so I found at least one that I like.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1205889]And yes, when you look at the way most WGs in GoGo treat their "customers" it is with very little respect. They speak and act in ways that would get them slapped in most places and sit back and laugh about it with their friends, but of course most guys have no idea what is happening because they do not speak the language.[/QUOTE]It helps to understand a little Thai as well as various dialects of Isaan / Lao, and Khmer! And then there are there are the obscure local dialects from the NE border areas. Me? I can't hear much in go-go bars anyway, so I just nod my head and smile. I don't really care if they are making fun of me, as I'm the one with the money (which is all they really want).

Most of the dancers I've seen lately (in Bangkok & Pattaya) are very young and act like lesbians when off the stage. Observing them for any time is like watching kittens in a cage. These days I generally only go to go-go bars where I know at least a few of the dancers. My reputation precedes me when I walk into these clubs. Buying a few strategic drinks for some of the girls, and the mamasan, at new bars usually guarantees good treatment the next time you stop by. La la la la.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1205889]I agree, a man that tries to pay 500 baht is pretty cheap. I don't think I ever mentioned that amount by the way. The amount in question was 1k baht for ST. I would gladly pay a gal 1. 5k if she was good looking and willing to provide the level of service that I expect, no matter what the venue.[/QUOTE]This was a generic comment than one directed at you. There's a lot of Cheap Charlies who read this forum, especially the Pattaya guys. But, then again, they usually get what they've paid for and that's a good thing.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1205889]And again, one of the issues here is that "guys don't come to Thailand to f&^k wh&*^s, the come here to date wh&*^s." Myself, I want to go to a venue, have a PSE for 1 1/2 and then leave. Don't want to hear about momma, kids, or any of that.[/QUOTE]Good attitude. I would advise any man who comes here on a sex holiday to follow this format. But when you live here, emotionless fcuking gets a little monotonous (and expensive), and a little "feeling" with an attractive, insatiable, pleasant woman can go a long way to enhance the lifestyle. And, contrary to popular belief, it can sometimes work out to be a bit cheaper in the long run. ;)

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1205739]1000 Baht for an hours work is FAR more money than 95% of the people in this country make.

Soapy and oily prices have not increased in the least over the last 12 years, with the exception of the 100 baht "tax" that was added to soapies in I think 03, yet the GOGO price has increased over 100.

The only thing that matters is the local economy, not the costs back home.[/QUOTE]Are you saying Thai girls should get no more for fucking asshole farangs than the average wage? The girls expect to be paid far more.

Soapies are costing me significantly more than I paid 12 years ago in BKK. Its not the same soapies, but the prices are defintely higher.

I like to compare prices of everything in Thailand to back home to get the feel of the average price ratio.

In general I expect things back home to be about 3 to 5 times more costly.

My townhouse in BKK would cost probably 3 times more back home, for equivalent suburb.

Some things in Thailand are excessively cheap, e. G. Taxis and sex, due to huge oversupply.

These may well be more than 5 times more expensive back home.

Some things are still very expensive, e. G. Farang goods: iPhones.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1205728]Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?

1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. All they need to do is 5 quick fucks (5 hours of work) and they already make more than their fathers who slaves over the farm (300 hours / month).

Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly, far more than their worth on a Thai level! Just because they expect to make a lot doesn't mean we as mongers should give in to their high demanding prices. Unfortunatley, most guys think with their heart and not their heads.[/QUOTE]Working girls want to go to a decent proper Japanese or Italian restaurant too.

The real question is whether YOU deserve better food and a nice coffee, or just 30 Baht for a measly plate.

Working girls have to support their parents who can't make ends meet due to drought or floods, plus put younger sister through univeristy so she won't have to fuck for a living, so how little their parents make is not relevant.

Some girls are in sex work in order to save up to open their own business.

The smart working girls reject the greedy / stingy Farangs who want to pay so little. They probably already know they will have difficultly stemming the vomit reflex when they have to suck his smelly cock.

Some of us get great service however, even from carefully chosen gogo lookers. Haven't had a bad one for ages, but have a collection of favourites. You will never get a stunner for 1K in Bangkok unless she is seriously naive or works in a Thai only district due to having no English or being repulsed by Farangs. Even in the Thai bars, I doubt it.

Go to Cambodia. The girls are much cheaper but not that good looking.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1205896]Yeah, me, too. I like the massage shops and know exactly where to go to get my rocks off. It's nice to be able to make a booking and take your time with a woman, (or two) , that you know.

I agree with you here, somewhat, but some of my memorable sessions have been with go-go dancers. You can tell a lot by the way they dance. You can also tell a lot by what they do, (I. E, how they treat you) , when you invite them over for a drink. I live with a former go-go dancer, so I found at least one that I like.

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Good attitude. I would advise any man who comes here on a sex holiday to follow this format. But when you live here, emotionless fcuking gets a little monotonous (and expensive) , and a little "feeling" with an attractive, insatiable, pleasant woman can go a long way to enhance the lifestyle. And, contrary to popular belief, it can sometimes work out to be a bit cheaper in the long run. .[/QUOTE]Good points all the way, Fon T.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1205765]<cut A bit more expensive today in the Gogo's. But who goes there and expects real service. Oh, I forgot, those specialists, who know (and complain about the prices).

BTW, Goatsrot, are you aware that the "local economy" was quite strong in the past few years? Unemployment low, difficult for the bars to get girls for the business? Salaries / wages rising?

I for myself enjoy the luxury items (several cups of coffee every day) and pay the prices (coffee is really expensive here). I don't really care how much it is. If it is fun, why should I care? I even don't want it to be cheap, that keeps it reserved for me, and I even pay a bit more then. That's luxury, right? Wow, I am a real asshole. I know! I really enjoy being an asshole. Better than being a Cheap Charlie!

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Let's talk about the impact of the current flood on the prices, guys. I think I pay a little more in the next few days. 3000 all night, ok? Will help all those poor farmer families, who cannot grow rice right now. They basically do what they always do (NOTHING). But I think I can help them a bit. I think that's the right thing to do. But. We should not talk about that. Cheap is good!

BTW, the girls really like me (I am so handsome!). I overpay, constantly. Sorry for that!

Giotto[/QUOTE]Yes, yes, you wicked wicked man. Ha Ha! Spoiling the market.

Even Thai students drink at Starbucks. Some can afford it.

Can't say you are an asshole for spending some money to help some Thai families.

From: another overpayer (should have been my handle)

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1205838]Give an uneducated farmer's daughter the money a Dr makes and all of the sudden her "s*t don't stink" so to speak.[/QUOTE]This is the kiss of death!

Nothing ever good comes out of spoiling an Asian hooker, but western guys do it all the time. Western men are used to handing over their power to women back home, that's why most of them are in asia fucking around. They have zero power in their home countries, yet they come to Asia only to hand over their power again.

A few experiences this week that reflect the fact that there seems little consistency in BKK and that therefore peoples' experience will differ and that it is probably unwise to generalise.

Hilary bar on Soi 4. Good looking lady in her late 30s complains of lack of customers but "bar fine is 600 baht and she charges 3k / 5k ST / LT". I laugh and say I understand why no customers. One of her younger companions (a 7) offers 1. 5k / 2. 5k, quickly reducing to 1k / 2k when I do not accept. Good performance in the room and likes the room so much, that she reduces LT to 1. 5k. I send her away in the morning after 3. 5 pops and a great breakfast with 2k. The older lady revises her pricing strategy for my next visit, but I leave her in the bar.

Oilies are charging between 300 and 800 baht. Cost may reflect the professionalism of the massage. It certainly does not reflect the attraction of the masseuses as there are beauties and dogs in both price brackets.

Loads of ladies on the street, the beer bars are often empty with more girls than customers, the majority of go go clubs are the same. Costs vary with go go still demanding premium as they have some Japanese, but prices reduce as evening goes on.

Gullivers and the Beer Garden have plenty of choice and it is a buyers' market. I offer 1k / 2k and no one rejects. Performances are generally good and I give tips appropriately. I am popular enough with the girls I have taken for others to accept the reduced rates.

My view. Pay what you feel comfortable with as it is your money. However, I do not want to ruin things for expatriates living here on reduced incomes.

Have fun.

Peter

Hello,

Wondering if the flood situation has had any impact on the nightlife and mongering scene in Bangkok, particularly the Suk area. Will be visiting BKK in 2 weeks hence the question!

Take care,

Hifly

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1205897]Are you saying Thai girls should get no more for fucking asshole farangs than the average wage? The girls expect to be paid far more.

Soapies are costing me significantly more than I paid 12 years ago in BKK. Its not the same soapies, but the prices are defintely higher.

I like to compare prices of everything in Thailand to back home to get the feel of the average price ratio.

In general I expect things back home to be about 3 to 5 times more costly.

My townhouse in BKK would cost probably 3 times more back home, for equivalent suburb.

Some things in Thailand are excessively cheap, e. G. Taxis and sex, due to huge oversupply.

These may well be more than 5 times more expensive back home.

Some things are still very expensive, e. G. Farang goods: iPhones.[/QUOTE]

Of course not. And 1000 for an hour of their time far above the average wage here. That would be 160k baht per month if you factor in an eight hour work day. That is what some directors and upper management make. A very good wage.

I am from D/FW Texas. Your housing dollar goes a lot farther there than it does here. A six pack of great micro-brew is about 7.50. Hein here is over 40 bath per bottle at 7-11. Health insurance is far cheaper here as are women. Other than that the US is cheaper than Thailand, that is if you want to live a Western lifestyle.

Was thinking about a short trip in one weeks time but the weather seems to be not improving. Anyone know anything more?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1205902]Working girls want to go to a decent proper Japanese or Italian restaurant too.

The real question is whether YOU deserve better food and a nice coffee, or just 30 Baht for a measly plate.

Working girls have to support their parents who can't make ends meet due to drought or floods, plus put younger sister through univeristy so she won't have to fuck for a living, so how little their parents make is not relevant.

Some girls are in sex work in order to save up to open their own business.

The smart working girls reject the greedy / stingy Farangs who want to pay so little. They probably already know they will have difficultly stemming the vomit reflex when they have to suck his smelly cock.

Some of us get great service however, even from carefully chosen gogo lookers. Haven't had a bad one for ages, but have a collection of favourites. You will never get a stunner for 1K in Bangkok unless she is seriously naive or works in a Thai only district due to having no English or being repulsed by Farangs. Even in the Thai bars, I doubt it.

Go to Cambodia. The girls are much cheaper but not that good looking.[/QUOTE]? I have found that really good food and wine is lost on most Thai hookers. Taking a Cowboy girl to a nice restaurant? Really? Save your money and go to a nice soapy.

Biggest difference in the "scene" from 12 years ago is the proliferation of internet dating sites and the amazing amount guys who want to spoil hookers. We can learn things from the Asian man. They know how to compartmentalize. Gals you date and marry are gals you date and marry. Hookers are hookers. There is a real distinction between the two. Would you date a girl with a 6th grade education back in your home country? Probably not, so why do it here? Only difference between most of these gals and those from rural West Virginia is that these gals are cute and have all their teeth. But guys still have the "rescue ranger" gene and end up in a bad relationship.

Most of us who live here bring quite a bit to the table. A majority were successful enough of an estate in our home countries to put together enough to retire or we can make a living here, so it is really silly not to demand that the gal bring something to the table besides the wet spot between her legs.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1205925]This is the kiss of death!

Nothing ever good comes out of spoiling an Asian hooker, but western guys do it all the time. Western men are used to handing over their power to women back home, that's why most of them are in asia fucking around. They have zero power in their home countries, yet they come to Asia only to hand over their power again.[/QUOTE]So true. Many guys create the same situation they had in their home country. Let's face facts. No girl has to become a prostitute in this country. There are other ways. It is the easy way out. Shows a lot about their character. Don't get me wrong, I like 'them and love to partake, but a rent a gal is just that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1205572]You're well behind the times, IMHO. It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water. Your supermarket shopping trolley rarely comes to less than 1000 Baht unless you stick to cheap Fruit and Vegs.

1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.

If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.

Look a decent 2 hour sex session in my country would cost be a week's rent on a very nice house. A week's rent on a very nice house in Bangkok will cost a lot more than 1K. Okay sex should be cheaper by a bigger ratio due to the very high supply of girls wanting to be fucked for money.

5 years ago, a pretty soapy M. P. Girl was happy enough to make just 1K for each 2 hr. Customer, but not anymore.

I sometimes see Thai school kids aged maybe 12, with iPads, these days. Obviously from a well off family. Many Thais on the train have iPhones. These things are not much cheaper in Thailand than in a western country. Thai working girls may not be able to afford iPhones, but I bet they want a pretty flash one, just the same.[/QUOTE]Jeez, last time I checked (both this morning and afternoon) , every stall in the On Nut market and every venue along the street was still selling kuay tiaow noodles, rice with two toppings of curry or other, congee, stewed pork, Hainanese chicken rice, and just about every other dish for 30-35 baht. It has been and stayed that way for a long long time, and I can guarantee you that 90% of the working girls (plus millions of other Thais) are eating their meals in these places, and NOT in Siam Paragon or upscale restaurants. And a good cup of cafe boran (filtered Thai coffee with condensed milk, which hundreds of people line up for every morning and lunch hour) still costs 15 baht in most spots, maybe 20 around central Sukhumvit. Yeah, if you drink a cappuccino in Starbucks or those type of places, it will run you 100 baht or so, made by a worker who is earning 300 baht a day. Guarantee you he or she ain't drinking the coffee there either. 1000 baht still can go a very long way here, one reason why all the office ladies and millions of others who earn 10-15, 000 baht a month are able to survive and not complain too much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1205902]Working girls want to go to a decent proper Japanese or Italian restaurant too.

The real question is whether YOU deserve better food and a nice coffee, or just 30 Baht for a measly plate.

Working girls have to support their parents who can't make ends meet due to drought or floods, plus put younger sister through univeristy so she won't have to fuck for a living, so how little their parents make is not relevant.

Some girls are in sex work in order to save up to open their own business.

The smart working girls reject the greedy / stingy Farangs who want to pay so little. They probably already know they will have difficultly stemming the vomit reflex when they have to suck his smelly cock.

Some of us get great service however, even from carefully chosen gogo lookers. Haven't had a bad one for ages, but have a collection of favourites. You will never get a stunner for 1K in Bangkok unless she is seriously naive or works in a Thai only district due to having no English or being repulsed by Farangs. Even in the Thai bars, I doubt it.

Go to Cambodia. The girls are much cheaper but not that good looking.[/QUOTE]Some pretty gross generalizations there. Met a former coyote dancer last week, used to work in a very upscale club. She has been to the US and UK, she has had some very wealthy boyfriends and sponsors, and she looks damn good. She asked me for 3000 baht when we met, and I told her I wouldn't give more than 1500. She decided she liked me anyways and stayed with me almost all night, we had an absolute blast, and she has been calling since to come and repeat. Why on earth then, would she go with this stingy farang and repetitively stem her vomit reflex, when there are a zillion guys who will pay her more? (and I ain't Brad Pitt either). When I asked her, she says I am polite, treat her nicely, can speak intelligent Thai (and she can speak English, nor is she naive) with her, and I make her feel damn good. I think that most guys who live here (or come here and actually understand the scene) will attest to have having plenty of wonderful beautiful women for 1000 baht, just as I am sure many can attest to have having some real bad apples at 2000.

Probably 90% of the working girls in Nana or Cowboy, if you asked them if they enjoy going to Italian restaurants (and to not say yes out of politeness) , well, let's just say you wouldn't have too many customers. The vendor I go to to eat Kao Man Gai (Hainanese Chicken Rice) has been written up in Elle Magazine, and people line up for tables at her roadside shop every day (she probably does the best Kao Man Gai in the country). Her food, which only costs a measly 30 baht, is far better than most of the 5 star restaurants that I am feted at for my work on a daily basis. Sorry to say, the adage you get what you pay for, has extremely little relevance for most of these subjects.

[QUOTE=Jamie69;1206031]Was thinking about a short trip in one weeks time but the weather seems to be not improving. Anyone know anything more?[/QUOTE]I got here about 7 hrs ago and have not noticed a difference now vs. The last few times I have been here. I am staying in Nana and don't see any flooding (at least not yet). It has rained a little, but it always rains here unless you come between nov. April. I'll be here until Wednesday. Party on.

Friends, please let us know how things are in the wake of flooding scare. Is life normal at Suk area?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1206030]Of course not. And 1000 for an hour of their time far above the average wage here. That would be 160k baht per month if you factor in an eight hour work day. That is what some directors and upper management make. A very good wage.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha, if a girl could fuck for 8 hours straight every day, she really would make good money. I wonder if the best mango girl can get to 160K per month. Possible but not likely (unless she has some very generous customers and totally booked out). If she averaged 5 customers per day and each paid an average of 2K.

Of course, I make way more than that Overseas, even after I pay heavy tax, but I would be happy enough to make 160K per month in Thailand. If I made only 50K per month, perhaps I would be looking for 1K girls too.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1206036]There are other ways. It is the easy way out.[/QUOTE]No no, they don't have the education and smarts to make the same money some other way. Yes it's the easy way out. Why work for a pittance? If they do it for a few years to set them up to open a business, that is smart.

What does it say about their character? Nothing!

Sex is good, right? It's not evil (religious brainwashing). To make money for sex is even better. Gogo girl and freelancers don't even have to take every customer. They can pick and choose who is likely to be reasonably fun. Plenty of girls reject guys that don't appeal to them or that don't at least seem nice. Although most girls seem to like me, I still get rejections occasionally, when the girl is trying to hook that other young hansome hot guy (or maybe a super rich Japanese). I knew a special dancer at a gogo that occasionally went with customers she liked but quite rarely. I. E. Only with guys that really appealed to her.

I respect girls that reject a lot of potential customers, purely because they don't want to fuck just anybody at all. Less respect for Oily girls who have little say in who they go with.

I knew one Thai hooker that gave me a lot of freebies in return for not fucking other girls (at least not when she was around). Obviously she was a jealous type and she wanted a special person to special things for her only. I guess most customers were just work.

A couple of massage girls I know now often seem to hint that they would like to have some special guy even if not a proper boyfriend.

As I have been on a little bit of a massage binge lately. There have not been too many visitors to my BKK box. My normally white bathroom had slowly become a pink and brown forest. To convince some hooker I'm not a filthy man, I decided I would clean it. I figure I needed something strong, I buy a bottle of "the duck" bathroom professional. 15% Hcl acid. Anyway, I'm spreading this shit around like a zamboni. I get this stuff all over me. Especially, my feet and hands. I was cleaning the shower barefoot. My place is spotless, some girl shoud give me some dirty sex. Off to Soi Cowboy.

I hit the first bar. Everybody is looking at me, even the customers. I'm thinking WTF. Then I see it. My hands and feet are glowing blue in the black light. With little specks of blue all over the rest of me. I had something to talk about for at least one night. In the end, I barfined some girl from Midnite. She said 3000 LT, but in the cab after a phone call she told me she would have to leave by 7am. I told her fuck that. After I got back I regretted not fucking her once ST, way too drunk for a quick second time. As the thai girls say "I might play some Tagged this week".

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1206208]No no, they don't have the education and smarts to make the same money some other way. Yes it's the easy way out. Why work for a pittance? If they do it for a few years to set them up to open a business, that is smart.

What does it say about their character? Nothing!

Sex is good, right? It's not evil (religious brainwashing). To make money for sex is even better. Gogo girl and freelancers don't even have to take every customer. They can pick and choose who is likely to be reasonably fun. Plenty of girls reject guys that don't appeal to them or that don't at least seem nice. Although most girls seem to like me, I still get rejections occasionally, when the girl is trying to hook that other young hansome hot guy (or maybe a super rich Japanese). I knew a special dancer at a gogo that occasionally went with customers she liked but quite rarely. I. E. Only with guys that really appealed to her.

I respect girls that reject a lot of potential customers, purely because they don't want to fuck just anybody at all. Less respect for Oily girls who have little say in who they go with.

I knew one Thai hooker that gave me a lot of freebies in return for not fucking other girls (at least not when she was around). Obviously she was a jealous type and she wanted a special person to special things for her only. I guess most customers were just work.

A couple of massage girls I know now often seem to hint that they would like to have some special guy even if not a proper boyfriend.[/QUOTE]I know quite a few girls from poor families who have worked their way through Uni and onto Masters degrees and are now making good salaries and have never resorted to prostitution. Truth be told sex work is eventually a dead end as one gets old. Nothing more depressing than an old hooker.

And yes, in this culture it says a lot about her character. Most girls do not resort to prostitution. It does say something about their character when one looks at it with respect to this culture. It is easy money when you are young and sets a certain mindset and expectations that is are impossible to shake.

Obviously I have no issue with sex workers, but once in the biz it is awfully hard to ever get out as the lure of easy money is always there.

[QUOTE=Jupiter; 1205596]I've been coming regularly to Thailand for the past 10 years for work. I have done all the usuals and in general had a great time. Loads of fun and hot sex. For the past year I tried the internet thing. Hooking up with non-pros. And it is possible to get plenty of free sex. I met this girl in June that is up for everything. Cute and sexy. But a bit plump. But sex is great and no does not exist in her vocabulary. No money involved. She even buys me small gifts when we meet. I have only been paying for drinks in bars when we go out together to pick up girls for threesomes and lesbian action. This girl is really a performer!

I am in BKK now and today I have two dates with girls I met online that agreed to sex and no money. Just fun.

Some say why bother plenty of girls around. That is true. However, I like warming up at home preparing for my next trip and setting up meetings with girls. Many of them are also very willing to do nasty things on webcam. It is all fun. All enjoy.[/QUOTE]I would definitely like to try it out with non-pros. What sites do you go to?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1206203]Ha Ha, if a girl could fuck for 8 hours straight every day, she really would make good money. I wonder if the best mango girl can get to 160K per month. Possible but not likely (unless she has some very generous customers and totally booked out). If she averaged 5 customers per day and each paid an average of 2K.

Of course, I make way more than that Overseas, even after I pay heavy tax, but I would be happy enough to make 160K per month in Thailand. If I made only 50K per month, perhaps I would be looking for 1K girls too.[/QUOTE]Many girls have money coming in from "sponsors." In fact, I would imagine that is the case for most lookers.

I would imagine the average Mango gal makes in excess of 50k a month, which is a huge salary in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Oldian;1206072]Jeez, last time I checked (both this morning and afternoon) , every stall in the On Nut market and every venue along the street was still selling kuay tiaow noodles, rice with two toppings of curry or other, congee, stewed pork, Hainanese chicken rice, and just about every other dish for 30-35 baht. It has been and stayed that way for a long long time, and I can guarantee you that 90% of the working girls (plus millions of other Thais) are eating their meals in these places, and NOT in Siam Paragon or upscale restaurants. And a good cup of cafe boran (filtered Thai coffee with condensed milk, which hundreds of people line up for every morning and lunch hour) still costs 15 baht in most spots, maybe 20 around central Sukhumvit. Yeah, if you drink a cappuccino in Starbucks or those type of places, it will run you 100 baht or so, made by a worker who is earning 300 baht a day. Guarantee you he or she ain't drinking the coffee there either. 1000 baht still can go a very long way here, one reason why all the office ladies and millions of others who earn 10-15, 000 baht a month are able to survive and not complain too much.[/QUOTE]Spot on Oldian. One can learn how to live quite well from the locals. I can afford to eat anywhere I want but have found that where the locals eat is normally far better than most of the overpriced Farang food venues in town.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1206236]Many girls have money coming in from "sponsors." In fact, I would imagine that is the case for most lookers.[/QUOTE]This is another reason why they become selective. They don't need to go with every potential customer and they often don't even show up for work. When they are spoiled they lose their drive to make money. Spoiling a hooker is like pouring salt into your coffee.

[QUOTE=Bosmina Daphnia;1206171]Friends, please let us know how things are in the wake of flooding scare. Is life normal at Suk area?[/QUOTE]When I left 2 days ago it wass till dry and normal operation. According to news, today is still same.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1206239]Spot on Oldian. One can learn how to live quite well from the locals. I can afford to eat anywhere I want but have found that where the locals eat is normally far better than most of the overpriced Farang food venues in town.[/QUOTE]I still try to get the point.

Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?

I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So - where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?

The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries - then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.

It is that easy.


Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[b]Clarification[/b]: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed!

Just returned. They expect the Suhkumvit area to be hit with floods possible in the next couple of days. Al of the shops have sand bags lined up ready to close off the entry ways. The rivers crest between Sunday and Wednesday so if it is going to happen that is the danger point. Good luck to everyone

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206397]I still try to get the point.

Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?

I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So. Where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?

The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries. Then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.

It is that easy.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[b]Clarification[/b]: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed![/QUOTE]Giotto,

There is no malice against the girls at all. You are making my point. It is the idiot customer that pays too much. You have an awful lot of guys out there who are paying Mercedes prices for Chevrolet. They are paying 2500 when they should be paying 1500. Like walking into a car dealership knowing the price and offering more for it. Not so swift.

And again, prices for GoGo girls and free lancers have doubled over the past 6 years. The only constant has been oilies and soapies.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206397]I still try to get the point.

Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?

I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So. Where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?

The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries. Then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.

It is that easy.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[b]Clarification[/b]: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed![/QUOTE]You are 100% right, it is the market that makes the price. Which is precisely why a girl who normally goes for 2, 500 will drop to 1, 500 when there are no customers, or when it is late, or when business is slow. What most guys don't get is that there are thousands and thousands of girls, and even in high season, still a strong buyers market. If a vendor offers a newbie a t-shirt on Sukhumvit for 300 baht and he buys it, he will be selling that t-shirt at that price or higher for the rest of the week. If the following buyers get it for 200, he will come down. What most don't get is that the same shirt can be had at Pratunam for 100.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206496]. You have an awful lot of guys out there who are paying Mercedes prices for Chevrolet. They are paying 2500 when they should be paying 1500. Like walking into a car dealership knowing the price and offering more for it. Not so swift.[/QUOTE]I completely disagree with this approach of analysis.

There are Mercedes girls and Chevrolet girls out there. And Honda girls who believe they are Ferrari girls (my taste, my POV) , but for that specific customer who pays the Ferrari price it is obviously a Ferrari girl (his taste, his POV). There is no general market price for all girls.

This ongoing discussion about overpaying is just nonsense. There are girls working out there getting 4k. 5k. 6k or more for all night. Easily. They have either a specific customer group, that is willing to pay this amount, they might look very good or be aware of an extraordinary service level they provide. Some have simply have a different strategy (better once or twice a week for real money than 10 times for nothing). Whatever their price-determining reason is - they obviously survive and find customers that fit into their self-marketing strategy. The individual market for each girl will regulate the price automatically.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1206496]And again, prices for GoGo girls and free lancers have doubled over the past 6 years. The only constant has been oilies and soapies.[/QUOTE]I disagree again.

Bar fine is up in the Gogo's, ok. I don't consider this to be part of the girls price, it's more revenue for the bar. The prices in Gogo's are slightly higher today than they were years ago, but you can usually still find girls for 1500 ST / 2500 LT. Years ago all night was 2000 already, and you found some exceptions going for 1000 ST. Then most likely the demand for this girl was not very high.

Freelancers - the prices in Beergarden Soi 7 are still low (don't forget the full-body condom) , and in Spasso still high. I don't see any major price increases. Streetwalkers on Sukhumvit are now available for 1000 (later in the night the prices are even dropping).

If I look at the development in Singapore the average girls prices in OT are still lower today than they were before the Asian crisis 1997/1998. Remember the Brannigans / Top 10 girls that easily got SGD 400 for all night.


Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206397]I still try to get the point.

Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?

I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So. Where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?

The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries. Then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.

It is that easy.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[b]Clarification[/b]: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed![/QUOTE]I agree with you, on all points except for part of the last one. I think that 12 years ago, many girls were happy to get 1K for fucking, even less, but not so many now. The price of the supermarket trolley of goods has gone up a lot, so they should get paid more too.

Bar girls don't want to go for 1K, when they know their friend can pull much higher, even if they are a bit short of customers. Strangely, bar girls do not seem to negotiate a price with me. They just trust I will pay them adequately / fairly and I get no complaints. They are probably expert at reading a guy's makeup when it comes to the stingy / generous genes. They may know that they can actually get a better tip by not negotiating with the right type of customers.

I remember about 18-20 years ago getting a Soi Cowboy girl for the night (very long time) for 400 Baht (but no stunner). I think prices must have gone up significantly since then. Actually was very hard to get rid of her. She never wanted to leave, and would return to my low class Hotel uninvited. These days I want a higher standard Hotel, higher standard girl, and higher standard coffee, and must pay accordingly.

12 years ago, was probably hard to find a good coffee. Many Black Canyon places with staff who did not know anything. 20 years ago, good coffee didn't seem to exist (or I certainly didn't know where to go). The "fresh" milk was sweetened condensed milk from a can (and I don't take sugar). Yuck.

[QUOTE=Oldian;1206500]You are 100% right, it is the market that makes the price. Which is precisely why a girl who normally goes for 2, 500 will drop to 1, 500 when there are no customers, or when it is late, or when business is slow. What most guys don't get is that there are thousands and thousands of girls, and even in high season, still a strong buyers market. If a vendor offers a newbie a t-shirt on Sukhumvit for 300 baht and he buys it, he will be selling that t-shirt at that price or higher for the rest of the week. If the following buyers get it for 200, he will come down. What most don't get is that the same shirt can be had at Pratunam for 100.[/QUOTE]Exactly correct and its why price discussion is very much needed.

I can get the same shirt sold on Sukhumvit at 200 or 400 baht at Pratunam for 100 baht.

I can get the same DVD sold on Sukhumvit at 150 baht at Panthip for 70 baht.

I see in the Bangkok Post today that they are calling for vendors who put prices up during the floods to be jailed. This is a free market, and the same applies to girls. If they can get away with selling the same thing for more, they will of course.

If everyone says no, they will drop their price.

Why men are paying 4000 baht overnight with girls I do not know. At the very most, if she is really a hottie and you cannot resist, then its 3000 baht over night. There is no girl in Bangkok worth more than that, they only have a pussy and it will only make you cum, it does not shoot out gold bars.

Short time should be in the 1000 baht to 1500 baht range.

Long time should be 2000 baht (with the exception for the hottie you cannot resist, but only after she refuses to take 2000 or 2500 baht).

If all the stupid people stopped paying too much for things, the prices on Sukhumvit for shirts and DVD's and watches would be the same as other places in Bangkok.

If all the stupid people stopped paying too much for short time and long time, all the girls would charge 1. 5K short time and 2K long time with many charging less.

The famous saying is :

A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED.

And the saying will ring true forever whilst people are stupid enough to overpay.

Bar owners will come on here and defend prices for girls, because they do not pay it and if their girls are getting more money its easier to keep girls at their bar working for them, they will also make snide comments about cheaper places because they do not want you paying less, they want you paying their prices for their girls and their prices for their beers.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206516]I completely disagree with this approach of analysis.

There are Mercedes girls and Chevrolet girls out there. And Honda girls who believe they are Ferrari girls (my taste, my POV) , but for that specific customer who pays the Ferrari price it is obviously a Ferrari girl (his taste, his POV). There is no general market price for all girls.[/QUOTE]Some comments, not to Giotto so much, just general.
Cars are a reasonable analogy, since price of a girl depends on age, looks, condition, sales negotiating skill, taste of the customer, quick sale or bargain hunt, etc.

Of course, analogies are not useful to prove anything at all. Same but different.

Yes absolutely, "There is no general market price for all girls".

So getting a girl, is not at all like getting someone to clean your house.

However, if guys a want a blow job and don't care what the girl looks like, can get a standard price at a Blowjob joint with an old hag. Girls that value themselves higher just won't work there.

At soapies, you have girls on several different price levels, depending on what price they want to set for themselves, age, had a baby or not, figure good, etc. Some girls set a much higher price than what they are actually worth and some set a lower price than what they are worth. So obviously the over priced ones don't get much repeat business.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206496].

You are making my point. It is the idiot customer that pays too much.[/QUOTE]There is no such thing as "idiot customers" (some exceptions are confirming the rule due to a lack of brain cells).

There are some rookies out there who just learn the game, and they are sometimes ripped off. That's not a girls problem, that happens in taxis, restaurants, street shops, girly / hostess bars. Everywhere. The Thai life philosophy rules:

[b]Make money as easy as possible, all Farang are walking ATM machines. [/b]

If a customer finds out that he overpaid at the beginning of his Thailand experience he will experience something what the marketing science would call "cognitive dissonance". Others get the same service from the same girl cheaper - he will then lower his offer once he tries again to go for a deal with the same girl, or he will not demand her service any more. Still - prices for other girls can be different, higher or lower!

And - before he agreed on a higher price. It was obviously worth it for him. If he afterwards had a good experience and the girl earns a bit more money and is happy there are NO LOSERS in this game. Where the hell is the problem then?

I remember the same discussion on the Cambodian board. The prices were low that time (USD 10 ST, USD 20 LT, if I remember correctly). Members were virtually slammed for overpaying. I jumped in there and asked where I can find 30 USD girls in Phnom Penh - as a kind of suicide attack. I then was massacred ...

I can only encourage everybody to pay what he thinks is OK for him to pay, and to tip of the experience was great. Not to tip if the experience was lousy. Complete normal behavior as we would do it for any purchase of any service in our home countries. There is no such thing as overpaying if the experience is afterwards considered to be worth it - by the partners of the specific transaction.

The statement "a Thai does not respect you if you overpay" - nonsense. A Thai respects you or not - based on your behavior, clothing, cleanliness, smell etc. etc. . If you have a great experience, and you show your appreciation with paying a higher price, this will be appreciated and will not have a negative impact on the respect the girl has for you. She even might like and respect you more. And she will then prefer you to others when you decide to call for her services again. Create a win-win situation like this, instead of fighting the cheap-charlie battle and then having a good experience once a while. You lose time. This "best experience for the lowest price"-game is something for low-income expats living here (like me :) ).


Giotto
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1206519]I agree with you, on all points except for part of the last one. I think that 12 years ago, many girls were happy to get 1K for fucking, even less, but not so many now. The price of the supermarket trolley of goods has gone up a lot, so they should get paid more too.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,

12 years ago I was a rookie :) - may be I overpaid?


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206526]There is no such thing as "idiot customers" (some exceptions are confirming the rule due to a lack of brain cells).

There are some rookies out there who just learn the game, and they are sometimes ripped off. That's not a girls problem, that happens in taxis, restaurants, street shops, girly / hostess bars. Everywhere. The Thai life philosophy rules:

[b]Make money as easy as possible, all Farang are walking ATM machines. [/b]

If a customer finds out that he overpaid at the beginning of his Thailand experience he will experience something what the marketing science would call "cognitive dissonance". Others get the same service from the same girl cheaper. He will then lower his offer once he tries again to go for a deal with the same girl, or he will not demand her service any more. Still. Prices for other girls can be different, higher or lower!

And. Before he agreed on a higher price. It was obviously worth it for him. If he afterwards had a good experience and the girl earns a bit more money and is happy there are NO LOSERS in this game. Where the hell is the problem then?

I remember the same discussion on the Cambodian board. The prices were low that time (USD 10 ST, USD 20 LT, if I remember correctly). Members were virtually slammed for overpaying. I jumped in there and asked where I can find 30 USD girls in Phnom Penh. As a kind of suicide attack. I then was massacred.

I can only encourage everybody to pay what he thinks is OK for him to pay, and to tip of the experience was great. Not to tip if the experience was lousy. Complete normal behavior as we would do it for any purchase of any service in our home countries. There is no such thing as overpaying if the experience is afterwards considered to be worth it. By the partners of the specific transaction.

The statement "a Thai does not respect you if you overpay". Nonsense. A Thai respects you or not. Based on your behavior, clothing, cleanliness, smell etc. Etc. If you have a great experience, and you show your appreciation with paying a higher price, this will be appreciated and will not have a negative impact on the respect the girl has for you. She even might like and respect you more. And she will then prefer you to others when you decide to call for her services again. Create a win-win situation like this, instead of fighting the cheap-charlie battle and then having a good experience once a while. You lose time. This "best experience for the lowest price"-game is something for low-income expats living here (like me.).

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]Giotto,

I think there are far more "rookies" as you call them out there than there have every been. They get younger and younger as well. I always tip for good service and have never been a bargain hunter, but I do expect great service and that is what I see less of these days except at oilies.

I would still hold onto the fact that the overpaying Farang is seen as a fool by many of the girls. Some guys stay rookies for ever. Some learn the game before they come here. Some have the wisdom to listen to those of us who have lived here for a long time.

Getting into a bidding war over a gal is as silly as getting into a fight over on here. There are plenty, and they seem to always be making more. .

I think respect comes in by the way you treat them, not how much you pay. If you can speak the language and can handle yourself well are two aspects. Guys who set themselves up as walking ATMs will always be just that.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206516]I completely disagree with this approach of analysis.

There are Mercedes girls and Chevrolet girls out there. And Honda girls who believe they are Ferrari girls (my taste, my POV) , but for that specific customer who pays the Ferrari price it is obviously a Ferrari girl (his taste, his POV). There is no general market price for all girls.

This ongoing discussion about overpaying is just nonsense. There are girls working out there getting 4k. 5k. 6k or more for all night. Easily. They have either a specific customer group, that is willing to pay this amount, they might look very good or be aware of an extraordinary service level they provide. Some have simply have a different strategy (better once or twice a week for real money than 10 times for nothing). Whatever their price-determining reason is. They obviously survive and find customers that fit into their self-marketing strategy. The individual market for each girl will regulate the price automatically.

I disagree again.

Bar fine is up in the Gogo's, ok. I don't consider this to be part of the girls price, it's more revenue for the bar. The prices in Gogo's are slightly higher today than they were years ago, but you can usually still find girls for 1500 ST / 2500 LT. Years ago all night was 2000 already, and you found some exceptions going for 1000 ST. Then most likely the demand for this girl was not very high.

Freelancers. The prices in Beergarden Soi 7 are still low (don't forget the full-body condom) , and in Spasso still high. I don't see any major price increases. Streetwalkers on Sukhumvit are now available for 1000 (later in the night the prices are even dropping).

If I look at the development in Singapore the average girls prices in OT are still lower today than they were before the Asian crisis 1997/1998. Remember the Brannigans / Top 10 girls that easily got SGD 400 for all night.

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]Giotto,

Prices in 2000 were 1k short and 1. 5k long in Nana and Cowboy. I never recall even one discussion about price then and I was a GoGo fanatic at that time. Seems about double to me now with most girls asking 2k short.

Freelancers are the same. Most gals at the BG want 1. 5 with many asking 2k these days, and Thermae, don't get me started. 2k standard with 1k being the standard before.

Tis amazing that prices in Sing are far less than they were in 2000, but it is true.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206526]You lose time. This "best experience for the lowest price"-game is something for low-income expats living here (like me.).

Giotto.

[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url][/QUOTE]This is the critical point for some of us. My playing up time is very very limited. I don't have time to research and to always hunt for the best price / performance ratio. I may have just a 2-3 hour window to play up. I want a girl that looks as good or better than my GF (who is well above average) , and is more skilled, just for the fantasy experience, and because I'm a sex maniac / addict. Aren't we paying to escape from the real world for a short time? I wouldn't waste my time on girls with very average looks no matter how cheap they are going. I am sometimes willing to accept only moderately good looks if the service is guaranteed exceptional (e.g. Mango, but I still like Cat, the pretty one).

Maybe the forum should split into two, the bargain hunter cheap charlies, and the playboy money wasters/market spoilers.
The "price is everything" group and the "price is secondary" group. These two groups will never be on the same wavelength at all.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206535]Giotto,

Prices in 2000 were 1k short and 1. 5k long in Nana and Cowboy. I never recall even one discussion about price then and I was a GoGo fanatic at that time. Seems about double to me now with most girls asking 2k short.

Freelancers are the same. Most gals at the BG want 1. 5 with many asking 2k these days, and Thermae, don't get me started. 2k standard with 1k being the standard before.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot,

We had falling prices after the Asian Financial Crisis hit Thailand, some deep dips here and then. And Thermae is a completely different story today than it was 2000 and before. That time it was a late night spot for left-overs. And you made the cheap deals right there. Today Thermae is targeting Asian / Japanese customers.

Even if we consider that some freelancer / Gogo girl prices are 50 % up since 1998 (a fact that I cannot confirm) then it does not seam to be too unusual to me. Normal price development, inflation. If we then look at the soapy prices (oilies came up later) , the real income of those girls obviously fell. So - what are we talking about?

Giotto

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1206537] (snip). Maybe the forum should split into two, the bargain hunter cheap charlies, and the playboy money wasters / market spoilers.

The "price is everything" group and the "price is secondary" group. These two groups will never be on the same wavelength at all.[/QUOTE]May I also suggest:

Old guys (29+) , young guys, & really old guys (49+)

Bald guys & hairy guys.

Slim guys & fat guys.

Guys who can eat spicy & guys who cannot eat spicy.

Large dicks (20cm+) & small dicks.

Sadists & masochists.

Tall guys & short guys.

People of color & people who are color blind.

Butt fcukers & tight asses

;)

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1206537]This is the critical point for some of us. My playing up time is very very limited. I don't have time to research and to always hunt for the best price / performance ratio. I may have just a 2-3 hour window to play up. I want a girl that looks as good or better than my GF (who is well above average) , and is more skilled, just for the fantasy experience, and because I'm a sex maniac / addict. Aren't we paying to escape from the real world for a short time? I wouldn't waste my time on girls with very average looks no matter how cheap they are going. I am sometimes willing to accept only moderately good looks if the service is guaranteed exceptional (e. G. Mango, but I still like Cat, the pretty one).

Maybe the forum should split into two, the bargain hunter cheap charlies, and the playboy money wasters / market spoilers.

The "price is everything" group and the "price is secondary" group. These two groups will never be on the same wavelength at all.[/QUOTE]For me there has to be value for money and that is why I go to oilies. I want performance and ok looks. I want a gal who is polite as well, and one that is "accomodating." Paying 2. 1k for an hour and a half of that is a bargain in my book. Contrast that with GoGo girls, most of whom want to get out asap and have more "rules" and freelancers who want 1. 5 or 2k (still have to pay for a ST room) and with whom the performance is a gamble as well. When GoGo gals and freelancers were 1k (and 1k was 25 USD) , I did not really care about performance, because if it was a dud you spent less than 50 USD total. Now at over double that for a GoGo gal, a dud is a pretty expensive failure.

Price is not everything, but price / performance is. We are purchasing a service and I for one, expect it to be good. When I get my car serviced I expect them to do a good thorough job, I expect the same from my hookers.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206543]Goatscrot,

We had falling prices after the Asian Financial Crisis hit Thailand, some deep dips here and then. And Thermae is a completely different story today than it was 2000 and before. That time it was a late night spot for left-overs. And you made the cheap deals right there. Today Thermae is targeting Asian / Japanese customers.

Even if we consider that some freelancer / Gogo girl prices are 50 % up since 1998 (a fact that I cannot confirm) then it does not seam to be too unusual to me. Normal price development, inflation. If we then look at the soapy prices (oilies came up later) , the real income of those girls obviously fell. So. What are we talking about?

Giotto[/QUOTE]Giotto,

GoGo prices are up 100% in 10 yrs. Gals is soapies are still making a lot of money compared to the local economy. It is a good career, albeit a potentially short one.

Yes, Thermae has changed. It belongs to the Japanese and East Asian man, the completion of that takeover happened soon after the closure of the Siam Hotel on P-Buri Road.

Also the other factor with the freelancer crowd is dating sites. The smart gals who know how to write a bit of English can set up dates from home and don't have to sit in the hot stinky Beergarden. If they go out it is by choice and usually to late night discos. It really does not effect the Thermae crowd as even the girls who speak a bit of the Yipun don't write it, so Thermae is the best option to meet Japanese guys.

Have had a nice conversation or two with a Japanese guy in Thermae. They all ask,"Why does white man like girls who look like monkeys?".

And many do. Funny the longer I am here the more I like white skinned Chinesey gals!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206573] (snip). Have had a nice conversation or two with a Japanese guy in Thermae. They all ask,"Why does white man like girls who look like monkeys?".

And many do. Funny the longer I am here the more I like white skinned Chinesey gals![/QUOTE]A few more categorical ways to make the ISG Forum more usable for the discerning monger:

Guys that like girls that look like monkeys & guys that like girls that look like porcelain dolls.

Go-go girls that put out & go-go girls that walk out.

Girls with computer skills & girls with old Nokias.

Indians from Mumbai & Indians from Bangalore.

Ugly Americans & Stupid Americans.

Etc, etc. ;) :)

My opinion is that according to several parameters: town, type of place (gogo, disco, etc.) place (cm2, Bangkok beat, etc.) , girls beauty (as appreciated by most customers of the specific place concerned, there is a reference price. It can be altered by negotiation (a bit lower) and tips (a bit higher). In some places, the reference price may eventally be overrated (this is what I think of cm2, for example) , or underrated for the girl's qualit.

Experienced people know this reference price. As for me, when I go to Bangkok or Pattaya, I know by experience (and others' experience) how much I should pay to get my offer not refused while not overpaying.

The problem is that some members are not experienced and they read this forum to learn this reference price, they are not interested in knowing how much people overpay. This is why I sometimes react when people overpay.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1206579]A few more categorical ways to make the ISG Forum more usable for the discerning monger:

Guys that like girls that look like monkeys & guys that like girls that look like porcelain dolls.

Go-go girls that put out & go-go girls that walk out.

Girls with computer skills & girls with old Nokias.

Indians from Mumbai & Indians from Bangalore.

Ugly Americans & Stupid Americans.

Etc, etc. .[/QUOTE]Aw, see'mon, you can fine tune better than that:

Go-go girls that look like monkeys that walk out & go-go girls that look like porcelain dolls that walk out.

Indians with computer skills from Bangalore who like girls who look like porcelain dolls & walk out versus Indians from Mumbai with old Nokias who like go-go girls who look like monkeys and put out.

Hi,

I read in every newspaper the the flood now have reached the hart of the city.

What is your opinion, shell tourists still come? Or stay away.

Will

[QUOTE=El Frances; 1206581]My opinion is that according to several parameters: town, type of place (gogo, disco, etc.) place (cm2, Bangkok beat, etc.) , girls beauty (as appreciated by most customers of the specific place concerned, there is a reference price. It can be altered by negotiation (a bit lower) and tips (a bit higher). In some places, the reference price may eventally be overrated (this is what I think of cm2, for example) , or underrated for the girl's qualit.

Experienced people know this reference price. As for me, when I go to Bangkok or Pattaya, I know by experience (and others' experience) how much I should pay to get my offer not refused while not overpaying.

The problem is that some members are not experienced and they read this forum to learn this reference price, they are not interested in knowing how much people overpay. This is why I sometimes react when people overpay.[/QUOTE]Very well stated.

[QUOTE=El Frances; 1206581]My opinion is that according to several parameters: town, type of place (gogo, disco, etc.) place (cm2, Bangkok beat, etc.) , girls beauty (as appreciated by most customers of the specific place concerned, there is a reference price. It can be altered by negotiation (a bit lower) and tips (a bit higher). In some places, the reference price may eventally be overrated (this is what I think of cm2, for example) , or underrated for the girl's qualit.

Experienced people know this reference price. As for me, when I go to Bangkok or Pattaya, I know by experience (and others' experience) how much I should pay to get my offer not refused while not overpaying.

The problem is that some members are not experienced and they read this forum to learn this reference price, they are not interested in knowing how much people overpay. This is why I sometimes react when people overpay.[/QUOTE]A more appropriate way to handle guys "ovrrpaying" (according to one's opinion) is just to state "if you paid 3000 it must have been hell of a good service and she must have been a stunner as a decent service and nice girl usually goes for 1000"

As simple as that.

No need to bash the guy for inflating the market etc.

Low cost guys surely can't expect stunners and top service.

Don't forget each one has his own parameters for stunning or ugly.

A beer is always a beer, drank in front of a 7-11 or in a nice top club served by a nice waitress, great view, nice atmosphere and so. One cannot blame another one if he prefers a club to a 7-11, as long as he has the money and doesn't complain for the price.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206534]Giotto,

I think there are far more "rookies" as you call them out there than there have every been. They get younger and younger as well. I always tip for good service and have never been a bargain hunter, but I do expect great service and that is what I see less of these days except at oilies.

I would still hold onto the fact that the overpaying Farang is seen as a fool by many of the girls. Some guys stay rookies for ever. Some learn the game before they come here. Some have the wisdom to listen to those of us who have lived here for a long time.

Getting into a bidding war over a gal is as silly as getting into a fight over on here. There are plenty, and they seem to always be making more. .

I think respect comes in by the way you treat them, not how much you pay. If you can speak the language and can handle yourself well are two aspects. Guys who set themselves up as walking ATMs will always be just that.[/QUOTE]With all due respect – seriously. Mongers write of 'respect' from hookers. How does 'respect' factor into a 1 or 2 hour (or less) S / T transaction? Will she suck it better if there is 'respect'? And is respect established in the 90 seconds it takes to smile, meet, negotiate a price and walk around the corner? Is the 'correct' amount of bhat that is finally agreed upon the determinant of said 'respect'?

[QUOTE=Will Smith69; 1206607]Hi,

I read in every newspaper the the flood now have reached the hart of the city.

What is your opinion, shell tourists still come? Or stay away.

Will[/QUOTE]Will,

No problem at all. Pick up a long tail boat at the airport. Taxis cannot get there right now. But Thais are flexible - they offer a boat taxi service now!

I don't think you want to swim with all the luggage.


Giotto (NotTheNation)

[QUOTE=Giotto;1206711]Will, No problem at all. Pick up a long tail boat at the airport. Taxis cannot get there right now. But Thais are flexible - they offer a boat taxi service now! I don't think you want to swim with all the luggage. Giotto (NotTheNation)[/QUOTE]Have you set up the tents on the roof of LL, yet? What about helicopter evacuation for your guests.

It's getting deep here over at Silom / Sathorn! ;)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1206716]Have you set up the tents on the roof of LL, yet? What about helicopter evacuation for your guests.

It's getting deep here over at Silom / Sathorn! .[/QUOTE]We are almost finished with the ark down here in Bang Pakong, plenty of room.

To go on with the same idea. I am experienced in Thailand, but not in other places to where I may only occasionally travel to. In other country threads (as in this one) there are always suckers writing like "in this place the going price is 1500 st and 2500 lt" just because they asked a girl how much she wants and don't look further. I am gratefull to the members who have reacted by indicating the normal price to pay and have avoided me to spend more than I should. Price is an important component of our favorite hobby, and yes, it is an important topic for discussion in this forum.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206642]Very well stated. [/Q.

I also agree with most of what you write in your posts.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1206716]Have you set up the tents on the roof of LL, yet? What about helicopter evacuation for your guests.

It's getting deep here over at Silom / Sathorn![/QUOTE]To Fon Tok

I think you guy are trying to scare all the Newbie away so you can keep all the girl for yourself, only a few area in Bangkok have flood problem near the river, all flight to Bangkok arrive on time no delay it all no flooding near the airport for now, yes OCT is the wettest month in BKK many flash flood been here many during monsoon season.

Fast Eddie 48

Does anybody know of a good ear wax cleaning place in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1206711]Will,

No problem at all. Pick up a long tail boat at the airport. Taxis cannot get there right now. But Thais are flexible. They offer a boat taxi service now!

I don't think you want to swim with all the luggage.

Giotto (NotTheNation) [/QUOTE]Seriously, how is the airport and the access roads? I'm due to fly out on Tuesday morning, so planning on getting an early morning taxi from Pattaya. I don't want to find my way blocked by impassable roads. .

The roads around Pattaya seem fine at the moment.

I don't understand why hookers trying to make a buck are looked down on so much.

I do, however, understand if the girls are not protecting themselves.

We are all potential hookers. I would certainly fuck for money if it paid way more than my regular job.

The only thing stopping me, is simply that I have no customers, and wouldn't get any for the money I wanted (if at all). Anyone would fuck for a million dollars LOL, so its merely a question of how much you would go for, and whether you can get any customers at that price.

So don't look down on girls who get a lot more for sex than they would for some other job, and they do have customers.

Respect the girl that is sucking on your knob and trying to give you a good time.

Its great for guys to publish what are the fixed prices for some establishments, and what are the lowest prices obtainable for the lowest quality girls, or a price range that you can expect 95% of girls to fall into, when fixed prices do not apply.

However, don't go crying and whinging when some hot georgous girl wants a lot more. A girl does not have bad character just because she wants more money. Super models simply get paid better.

Go to Pataya for cheaper than Bangkok, or to Phnom Phen for cheaper still, or Nigeria, etc.

I also don't believe that extremely tough negiotiations are going to encourage a girl to perform well. She may well have lost her mood to try to give you a good time. Crap performing girls will probably be always crap, regardless of the price, unless they really have the hots for the customer. Newbies have to learn for themselves somewhat about the tell tale signs that a girl probably won't be good. There aren't any hard and fast rules really. I have had a great time with girls that others thought were no good and visa versa.

A lot depends on compatibility. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1206884]However, don't go crying and whinging when some hot georgous girl wants a lot more. .[/QUOTE]I think that is where most people fall down, those who are rookies in the sexual world.

I want great sex. I do not want average sex with a great looking girl. I want a girl who looks fine but is great at sex with me.

In all my experience I am yet to find a really good looking girl who is great in the bed. All the pretty ones tend to be lazy in bed, simply because they can get the mug punters easily through their looks.

Now I know some will disagree but I would counter they do not know what great sex is.

Pretty girl = average sex.

Now, whilst some ugly girls can be wonderful fcuks, we all do not really want to be seen with a fugly girl.

But in Thailand there is a whole swathe of decent looking girls, not overly pretty but also not ugly who are simple divine in bed.

They are not costing 4K overnight or 2K short time, they cost less than that and are really worth it.

You will always get men who pay for beauty (but accept the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor sex) as they want "face".

I do not accept poor sex, and as I said, I have not in thousands of girls found a really pretty Thai girl who is also excellent in bed, they are generally average to poor in the sack.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1206884]Its great for guys to publish what are the fixed prices for some establishments, and what are the lowest prices obtainable for the lowest quality girls, or a price range that you can expect 95% of girls to fall into, when fixed prices do not apply.

However, don't go crying and whinging when some hot georgous girl wants a lot more. A girl does not have bad character just because she wants more money. Super models simply get paid better.[/QUOTE]Again the same confusion. Who talked about lowest quality girls?

OVERPAYING IS NOT PAYING MORE FOR MORE QUALITY, IT'S PAYING MORE FOR THE SAME QUALITY!

To recall a previous comparison, overpaying is paying the price of a mercedes for a honda, not paying the price of a mercedes for a mercedes.

Being price concious has nothing to do with being a cheap charly or going with low quality girls!

Inversely paying high price doesn't necessarily mean you get quality. Some people tend to rationalise:I have paid a high price so I must have got high quality (what I used to call the cm2 syndrom).

[QUOTE=El Frances; 1206915]Again the same confusion. Who talked about lowest quality girls?

OVERPAYING IS NOT PAYING MORE FOR MORE QUALITY, IT'S PAYING MORE FOR THE SAME QUALITY!

To recall a previous comparison, overpaying is paying the price of a mercedes for a honda, not paying the price of a mercedes for a mercedes.

Being price concious has nothing to do with being a cheap charly or going with low quality girls!

Inversely paying high price doesn't necessarily mean you get quality. Some people tend to rationalise:I have paid a high price so I must have got high quality (what I used to call the cm2 syndrom).[/QUOTE]Correct! Again, if a gal is beautiful, has an education, speaks great English, can dress well and look good on your arm at a nice 4 star restaurant, can appreciate good food and wine, is able to engage in good stimulating conversation, and goes home with you and is a skilled provider, of course she is worth a pretty penny.

But a sixth grade educated gal whose only attribute is the wet spot between her legs is certainly not worth that much.

No disrespect intended, but we are buying a service.

I am reading a lot about the reports talking about the pricing and just thought to share my expirence a few days ago on a two night Bangkok stop over.

I been to Phuket a few times and normally pay around 2000 to 2500 LT.

OK now on another fourm I came across a escort agencey in Bangkok for LT 10, 000 now thats bloody expensive (viagra girls Bangkok). I posted a reply saying it was rediculas and way over the top. However the girls on the web site looked extreamly hot. After a boout a week I thought as I am only in town it could be convenient to pre book and have girls show up at my hotel when I arrive. So I ended up neg a price for 16000 for two girls 24hours. I got to hotel at 6. 30 and girls shoud up at 7. 00pm. My wing man didn't know I arrange girls so when I met him in the hotel bar at 7. 15 with girls he was happy.

So I got a extreamly hot, good english, classy girl called Kimberly. The girl friend expirence was better than I had ever had, and she was good in the sack. 7.00pm the next day came had to make a decision to pay another 8, 000 each and go another 24 hours or hit the town.

We dumped the high class girls and went to cowboy for a few drinks then on to soi 4. It was about 11. 30pm went to a bar opisite and down the road a bit from Nane plaza. Walked in and planted my but on a stool next to a girl called Poo Pae. Brought her a drink got chatting she hadn't had a drink all night business was slow. I asked how much for LT she said up to you. I offerd her 1500 and she acepted. Plus Bar fine 500. Now this girl if it wasnt for a twisted tooth was a 7/10 but when we got back to the hotel she total changed. She was a extreamly sexual girl and was realy into it, the sex was great and she was wet as a fire hydrent. Next morning was the same this time 2 orgasms her one me. Now I'm no stud but I fucked the girl crazy.

Was the expensive girl worth it!

It was convinent and she was a great girl but I liked the cheeper girl better.

[QUOTE=Professional;1206803]Does anybody know of a good ear wax cleaning place in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]I went last year in the morning, ca. 9 am, to a place just in front of Snow White. I also got face shaved.

I ended up there because I had an hour to kill before getting a decent line up at snow white.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1206821]Seriously, how is the airport and the access roads? I'm due to fly out on Tuesday morning, so planning on getting an early morning taxi from Pattaya. I don't want to find my way blocked by impassable roads. .

The roads around Pattaya seem fine at the moment.[/QUOTE]Have a look at.

[url]http://www.thaiflood.com/map/traffic.php[/url]

The page is in Thai but Google Translations is your friend!

Oh yes, for some reason the map is centered on the Malaysian border. So you will have to move it around to see the Bangkok and Pattaya area.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206919]. Look good on your arm at a nice 4 star restaurant, can appreciate good food and wine, is able to engage in good stimulating conversation, and goes home with you and is a skilled provider, of course she is worth a pretty penny.[/QUOTE]I do not want her to eat with me in any restaurant or engage in any stimulating conversation, I just want her to fcuk my brains out and then take the money and go away. I pay them to go away after sex, not for sex.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1206650]With all due respect – seriously. Mongers write of 'respect' from hookers. How does 'respect' factor into a 1 or 2 hour (or less) S / T transaction? Will she suck it better if there is 'respect'? And is respect established in the 90 seconds it takes to smile, meet, negotiate a price and walk around the corner? Is the 'correct' amount of bhat that is finally agreed upon the determinant of said 'respect'?[/QUOTE]You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.

I was at Spasso (Grand Hyatt) with a GF a couple of months ago and was impressed with the quality of the freelancers. I almost got in trouble with my girl.

Can anyone help with how much are these girls charging for ST and LT.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Will Smith69; 1206607]Hi,

I read in every newspaper the the flood now have reached the hart of the city.

What is your opinion, shell tourists still come? Or stay away.

Will[/QUOTE]I am a newbie to the Thailand area, but I will say one thing. The flood reports are over stated. Yes, there are some areas of Bangkok that are fllooded, but that does not mean the whole city is flooded. I am staying in the Sukhmvit Road area, there is no flood around here. I just wanted to get that out of the way right away. There seems to be lot of misinformation on this site about the state of the flood in Bangkok.

This is my first trip to Thailand. I am not claiming I know everything about Thailand, but I am an experience monger and have travel extensively all over the world.

I arrived on Saturday night, October 15 at around 11:50 PM. I went thru immigration and custom on the wing of the magic carpet. What it means hat the whole process took at worst 30 minutes. I then proceeded to catch a cab from the airport to my Hotel. I am staying at the Ramada Hotel & Suites. I will say that the staff is very accommodating and helpful. I had left my umbrella back home, but they showed me where I had one for me in my room. About the cab ride from the Airport to my hotel total charge 310 bahts. I thought that was very good. The only complain I am having so far is that I am not getting good currency exchange. I did not bring alot of currency with me and I am using my Debit Card to get my money. The rates that I am getting is 30 baht per 1 dollar, which is not a good exchange. I will call my bank or do some research on my own on how I can get better exchange rate. Well, I got to my room took a shower, shave and got dress and took a strode to the infamous Cowboy. Did not like what I saw so I kept walking. I took one beer at place down from cowboys that had American music and nothing caught my eyes, but went across from it where there was one girl who was a solid 7 and was hiding away from everybody. I went over introduce myself and we started talking and laughing. Pay the bar fee and we left. Took her to an Italia Restaurant we had dinner and then proceeded to go to my room with her. We had a very fun and interesting night, total GFE. I pay her and gave her cab money. Today we just met and she gave me a freebie. Guys I hear you fighting on how much you should pay these girl and it is not about the money you pay, but the game that you have to get these girls to give you what you want and also how you treat them and who you are picking. Now, if I had picked a barracuda, the same approach that I just had would have not worked. This is my 2 cents on the whole money issue that is going on this Bangkok area. I will Report tomorrow about great discovery mission of Thailand. I will post a pic of my girl Tomorrow also. Later gents, and be safe.

ElHombreContento

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1206821]Seriously, how is the airport and the access roads? I'm due to fly out on Tuesday morning, so planning on getting an early morning taxi from Pattaya. I don't want to find my way blocked by impassable roads. .

The roads around Pattaya seem fine at the moment.[/QUOTE]Well, you could look up BKK newspapers, the BKK Post and The Nation if you are that concerned. They are both available online and you do not have beg posters for the info. :)

[QUOTE=Oldian;1207019]You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.[/QUOTE]We are in the same wave length Oldian, if you treat her like a lady you will get a lady. If you have game and talk to these girls, the reward is amazing.

[QUOTE=El Frances; 1206915].

OVERPAYING IS NOT PAYING MORE FOR MORE QUALITY, IT'S PAYING MORE FOR THE SAME QUALITY![/QUOTE]That's nonsense.

Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?

Giotto

To answer the flood question ...

I was at the airport today to pick up some friends.

No problem at all, all the way to the airport and back. The klong in Soi 39 not even close to reaching the highest possible level.

The Thai government missed the flood in the Northern / Central area of Thailand. They are now in a kind of hyper-motivation mode to show everybody how well they manage the country and the flood problem! There is no serious threat for Bangkok. And the government knows that! Most of the news about the flooding is just a lousy Thai soap opera. The people who really suffer are living to the north, in the central region. E. G. Ayutthaya, where many thousands of people lost their homes (and nobody really cares) and all major industrial parks are inundated now (the minister of commerce cried). F_U_C_K all the Thai politicians (red or yellow). Bastards!

TIT. This is Thailand.

Giotto

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1206933]I went last year in the morning, ca. 9 am, to a place just in front of Snow White. I also got face shaved.

I ended up there because I had an hour to kill before getting a decent line up at snow white.[/QUOTE]Thank you! Do you remember the barbershops name? What was the cost? Location?

Again thanks alot!

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1207073]That's nonsense.

Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?

Giotto[/QUOTE]Gosh! It reminds me my philosophy courses!

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1207073]That's nonsense.

Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?

Giotto[/QUOTE]That's why it is smart to offer an incentive. Better service better tip. I think those of us vets can pretty much (although not always) tell about the service level we are going to receive during the interview process.

[QUOTE=Professional;1206803]Does anybody know of a good ear wax cleaning place in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]"T Massage" on Soi Thaniya. Near the Sala Daeng BTS Station.

Went to Soi Phadung Dao (Soi Texas) China Town, Bangkok recently.

Had a bad experience, got ripped off by a couple of the greedy freelancers, about 50% of the freelancers there are fugly and not even worth 50 baht.

I have to say that the area is a complete mess, but TiT, so not surprising there. Most of the girls there don't seem to be friendly or like farangs that much and just view / see farangs as walking ATM machines (no surprise there either tbh) , the area just seems like it's full of rip-offs and scam artists same same Pattaya.

I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1207243]That's why it is smart to offer an incentive. Better service better tip.[/QUOTE]How does incentive or a better tip get better service? It doesn't. Maybe the girl just sux at sex (although she may not think so, you may think so or vice versa.) If you offer me an incentive to program your computer sure I could turn it on and maybe do a couple of other things, but my service level still may not meet your idea of a "good" computer guy even though I do advertise "Computers fixed here".

[QUOTE=Professional; 1207082]Thank you! Do you remember the barbershops name? What was the cost? Location?

Again thanks alot![/QUOTE]The only thing I rememebr is that it is in the same soi as snow white, just in fornt, on the other side of the small lane.

Cost was so low, that I don't even rememebr.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1207284]How does incentive or a better tip get better service? It doesn't. Maybe the girl just sux at sex (although she may not think so, you may think so or vice versa.) If you offer me an incentive to program your computer sure I could turn it on and maybe do a couple of other things, but my service level still may not meet your idea of a "good" computer guy even though I do advertise "Computers fixed here".[/QUOTE]If getting anal licking for a tip is better service than you'ld get for the regular price, say 1000B ST, then that's an example of getting better service for a bigger donation.

Likewise if her attitude suddenly changes when you mention a tip or other incentive.

Similary if she suddenly remembers how to do a BJ or has a remarkable recovery from being tired or having a sore jaw. LOL.

[QUOTE=El Frances;1207099]Gosh! It reminds me my philosophy courses![/QUOTE]Likewise. It seems Giotto is quite the connoisseur in a number of fields.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1207073]That's nonsense.

Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?

Giotto[/QUOTE]Even after the first time, who's to say she wasn't having an off day, or insuffiently motivated by the customer? YMMV with the same lady, from day to day.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1207243]That's why it is smart to offer an incentive. Better service better tip. I think those of us vets can pretty much (although not always) tell about the service level we are going to receive during the interview process.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering how you'ld tell? I've heard reports of girls doing a 180 in the bedroom from how they are in the bar before the BF is paid. BTW my interviews with SWs usually last about a minute.

[QUOTE=ElHombreContento;1207071]We are in the same wave length Oldian, if you treat her like a lady you will get a lady. If you have game and talk to these girls, the reward is amazing.[/QUOTE]I guess I'm considered a nice guy, but don't think of myself as having any game, yet still find the rewards amazing. In fact, unless I am delusional, better every year.

[QUOTE=Oldian;1207019]You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.[/QUOTE]I don't start the convo with "how much", although sometimes the girls get there extremely fast, but neither do I like wasting time with a 10-30 minute blabathon. From the second I leave my room to returning and making out is sometimes under that duration. 5-7 hours? Too long! Can a woman keep from yaking and be a nymphomaniac for such a marathon.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1207015]I do not want her to eat with me in any restaurant or engage in any stimulating conversation, I just want her to fcuk my brains out and then take the money and go away. I pay them to go away after sex, not for sex.[/QUOTE]Now you're talkin.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1207015]I want great sex. I do not want average sex with a great looking girl. I want a girl who looks fine but is great at sex with me.[/QUOTE]Likewsise, but not easy to get.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1207015]In all my experience I am yet to find a really good looking girl who is great in the bed. All the pretty ones tend to be lazy in bed, simply because they can get the mug punters easily through their looks.[/QUOTE]What guys consider "great in bed" and "pretty" will vary, but I think if you spell out what you want and or offer enough incentives, you can get it, that is great sex from a pretty TG, or even a total stunner. For me great sex involves things like BB, lots of DFK, maybe anal licking or her fingering my ass during mish, multiple positions, BLS, one hour or more BBBJ, being longlasting, not cumming quickly, etc.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1207015]Now I know some will disagree but I would counter they do not know what great sex is.

Pretty girl = average sex.[/QUOTE]I think some of them know, especially if they enjoy sex, even more so if the are nymphos and have been with many different customers from around the world. But average sex is usually the case when it comes to the pretty ones, IME.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1207284]How does incentive or a better tip get better service? It doesn't. Maybe the girl just sux at sex (although she may not think so, you may think so or vice versa.) If you offer me an incentive to program your computer sure I could turn it on and maybe do a couple of other things, but my service level still may not meet your idea of a "good" computer guy even though I do advertise "Computers fixed here".[/QUOTE]It is about money. Discussing your wants and expectations before hand and what you are willing to pay if they are met. Gal tries, tip her. Yes, skill level varies for sure, but enthusiasm and effort I reward.

[QUOTE=Frank Anon;1207258]Went to Soi Phadung Dao (Soi Texas) China Town, Bangkok recently. Had a bad experience, got ripped off by a couple of the greedy freelancers, about 50% of the freelancers there are fugly and not even worth 50 baht.[/QUOTE]

Kudos for going off the beaten path, and thanks for the report.

Chinatown area is not for the faint of heart. You ought to have your street wits about and know the going rate (300-500 baht) and the standard procedures. Negotiate hard, go to the place of your choice, never accept upsells (minimal payment is *sometimes* before, but any tip strictly after the act, and at your discretion). If you're sharp but nice, they'll be compliant or quite nice as well (that applies to Thais, the Chinese are always more or less a rip-off with terrible attitude, unfortunately I like their looks).

First time there, I got ripped for 2000 baht for 10 minutes of barely-sex by a cunning Chinese freelancer. Later on. 400 for the Chinese girl, fair amount of pumping (though she wasn't too encouraging). When in the room, watch your stuff while showering, theft happens.

The Chinatown mongering area is not at all like Sukhumwit or Pattaya where we can mostly stumble around, make complete fools of ourselves and still have a good time including GFE (give or take a few baht).

However, if you do know the deal, it can be an exciting experience and an amazing value for money. A 22 whyear old 168cm tall and thin Chiang Rai girl for 500 baht ST (including a competent CBJ using her tongue piercing)? A 28 whyear old thin Chiang Mai mom who was quite cheerful and almost GFE. For 300 baht? Not easy to find that among freelancers in other areas (unless you're truly into southern-Isan / Khmer looks). Service is generally worse than in Farang areas, but at those prices. 50% satisfaction rate is not so bad, especially if you're bored of the usual stuff.

[QUOTE=Frank Anon;1207258]I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.[/QUOTE]

Agreed here. Unfortunately, there aren't many options anywhere close to as good as Thailand (Angeles City, Philippines maybe, but hassle level and safety concerns there are way too high).

[QUOTE=Frank Anon;1207258]I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that. As Thais say,"bad luck for some."

Good work, though, investigating the Chinatown scene. Personally, I just go there for soup. ;)

Sure, it's a little tougher for first timers on holiday, but there are so many women in Bangkok looking for a few baht, it is hard to not find someone decent. My impression of the current Thailand monger scene, (mainly Bangkok & Pattaya), is if you know the ropes (i.e., where to go, what to say, how much to pay), and establish a few "relationships" with managers at massage shops, bars and clubs, you'll have an inroad to a constant flow of new talent. I say, "no thank you," to beautiful young women all the time.

Lately, I've noticed a lot of guys who come here with a combination of "kid in a candy store" grins and "bull in a china shop" attitudes. Finding, and having, a good time is an art not a privilege.

Besides, if mongering in Thailand were too easy, the place would be overrun with (more) yahoos!

[QUOTE=Oldian;1207019]You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.[/QUOTE]All agreed and that has been my observation as well with guys going ST. Nothing more established than a gut feeling on both sides.

I believe respect from Thai women is earned the same as it is in every nationality regardless of how generous one is. The way one comports oneself – confident, compassionate, and funny-manly (all to varying degrees and with timing) AND the unflinching appearance that he is fully in control of THIS situation – that he is open to her taking the lead if she likes but will take it right back and lead the charge where he wants it to go quickly and firmly, and at his discretion.

[QUOTE=Frank Anon; 1207258]Went to Soi Phadung Dao (Soi Texas) China Town, Bangkok recently.

Had a bad experience, got ripped off by a couple of the greedy freelancers, about 50% of the freelancers there are fugly and not even worth 50 baht.

I have to say that the area is a complete mess, but TiT, so not surprising there. Most of the girls there don't seem to be friendly or like farangs that much and just view / see farangs as walking ATM machines (no surprise there either tbh) , the area just seems like it's full of rip-offs and scam artists same same Pattaya.

I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.[/QUOTE]I have never been ripped off and for me the scene gets better and better.

You have 3 deleted posts by Admin and the rest are pretty much negative. Could be a you problem?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1207511]I have never been ripped off and for me the scene gets better and better.

You have 3 deleted posts by Admin and the rest are pretty much negative. Could be a you problem?[/QUOTE]What time is good to go there? I hope the dark skinned Cambodiand / Isaan girls will be easy to find.

Cheers.

T. 72

[QUOTE=Oldian;1207019]You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.[/QUOTE]Respect always enters in. If you show it, chances are you will have a much better experience and you will be shown it in return.

[QUOTE=Oldian;1207019]I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.[/QUOTE]This is a good tip!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1207469]Nope its getting better![/QUOTE]I think that I am having more great times and less duds through experience to recognise the girl's level of enthusiasm, and since the ISG has been making me aware of the best places and also the places to not bother.

Met a very nice street walker by nana. I had a very pleasant evening. The sweetest girl you could find. There are alot of girls by Nana Mall standing around waiting to be picked up.

Pay 1500 baht and she spend the whole night. Had braskfast this morning gave her money for cab fare. Overall a great evening.

I am having a great time in Bangkok.

By the way for those worry about the weather, after 3:00 PM the sun has come out and by the look of things it will stay out.

Yesterday no rain.

2 more days in Bangkok and then it off to Pattaya.

Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.

There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.

YMMV

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1207542]Respect always enters in. If you show it, chances are you will have a much better experience and you will be shown it in return.[/QUOTE]So be sure to wai a lot and deeply...

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1207652]So be sure to wai a lot and deeply.[/QUOTE]Never wai in a gogo bar!

[QUOTE=Frank Anon; 1207610]Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.

There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.

YMMV[/QUOTE]Perhaps maybe between 'some' farangs and lower classed Thais. As in, newbie farang marries some taxi driver's wife. But even then, it seems in those situations, it's the two Thais who know what the situation is. Otherwise there isn't much of a struggle because the locals hold most of the cards otherwise. Foreigners have to pretty much have to jump through hoops when it comes to most legal and social issues in general. The only struggle I see are foreigners trying to come to terms with their place in the LOS after the 'honeymoon' is over.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1207779]Good god prices have not dubbled over the past 6

Years![/QUOTE]Is 1500-2500 the going rate

And for how long.

If it is, it sound expencive.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1207461]Your report[/QUOTE]You mentiond China town as being a hot spot for the action and you said you got a service for 500.

But you did not indicate time spent.

How much time did you get with the Girl for 500?

Are there any other areas of Bankok that are hop spots?

I know ElHombreContento mentioned Nana; what and where is this?

Thanks,

James

[QUOTE=Frank Anon; 1207610]Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.

There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.[/QUOTE]The longer you stay in Thailand, the less you are wanted by the types of Thais who work in gogo bars and tourist areas. They only want the clueless tourists.

But the respectable Thais will start to want you more.

[QUOTE=Frank Anon; 1207610]Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.

There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.

YMMV[/QUOTE]I think this is somewhat true, but what has changed is the expat "sees the light." When you first come here you are overwhelmed by the "smiles" and the women. Live here a few years and you get an idea of what most Thais really think of you. Most would rather us just not be here.

Was at dinner with another long term expat and an expat that used to reside in Brazil and has lived here now for the last couple of years. He stated that one of the main differences between Brazil and Thailand was in Brazil he had quite a few local male friends once he learned Portuguese. In Thailand none, even though we all speak Thai. That is true for most expats. While I have locals that I work with the only Thais males that I would consider friends are those that spent a significant time in the West, and I don't mean just for university.

There is a huge cultural gap in the way the majority of Asian men handle things and the way Westerners do. Thought processes, actions, etc. It is a gap that is almost insurmountable.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1207865]He stated that one of the main differences between Brazil and Thailand was in Brazil he had quite a few local male friends once he learned Portuguese. In Thailand none, even though we all speak Thai. That is true for most expats. While I have locals that I work with the only Thais males that I would consider friends are those that spent a significant time in the West, and I don't mean just for university.[/QUOTE]It's hard to make friends with people who don't like you. Thais don't like foreigners. Never have and probably never will! Best thing to do in LOS is to focus on the pussy only! Pussy will always make you happy here. Focus on the other stuff and then disappointment and anger begins to set in.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1207903]It's hard to make friends with people who don't like you. Thais don't like foreigners. Never have and probably never will! Best thing to do in LOS is to focus on the pussy only! Pussy will always make you happy here. Focus on the other stuff and then disappointment and anger begins to set in.[/QUOTE]It's hard to make friends anywhere these days. If you have a bad attitude and treat people poorly, then you will attract bad treatment. Everywhere.

If you are a person with the ability to adapt and enjoy new environments, Thailand is as good, and actually, better, than most places in the world. Realistically, most Thai people are too involved in their own lives - (family, kids, religion, food, money, fun, etc.) - to have an opinion one way or another about "foreigners."

I've lived here awhile and can say that I prefer my life in Thailand much more than other places I've lived and visited. People are generally friendly, the food is good, transportation is good, and relationships (friends and lovers) are fulfilling. Nobody said it was going to be easy, though.

If anything, the worst of the Thai lot can be found is the places that tourist flock to. These people are trying to make a living, just like any other place in the world. I think, in general, the foreigners I observe in these places are a lot ruder than the Thais.

If you limit your life and time in Thailand to just "pussy," you will miss out on a lot that it has to offer. Just my opinion. :)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1207911]It's hard to make friends anywhere these days. If you have a bad attitude and treat people poorly, then you will attract bad treatment. Everywhere.

If you limit your life and time in Thailand to just "pussy," you will miss out on a lot that it has to offer. Just my opinion. .[/QUOTE]Yep. Well said.

Dash Riprock, Goatscrot, Amjeck, Fon Tok,

All of you have very valid opinions no one is right and no one is wrong. I look at Fon Tok and Goatscrot comments and I believe both of your opinions are derived from your experience in different locations and I living here in Pattaya can relate much more to Goatscrot opinions but like always Fon Tok also has a good grasp of the Thai life.

Here is mines I don't expect anyone to agree with it and certainly don't expect me to debate what I have written. It is a general opinion I have derived from living it.

Without going into detail I came to reside in Thailand (Pattaya) for many reasons much different than many of you. I have met some very legit rich Thais but mostly rich not legit Thais. I live modestly here in Pattaya and although not a saint and not born yesterday I came here with a bright perpective and as at home treat everyone with respect the way I like to be treated. I didn't come here looking for trouble but for some reason trouble came looking for me. Maybe I'm cursed or its just the way I look or the way I come across to everyone which makes me a easy target?

I've had many tell me even priest, monks, and expats they have never heard anyone living here have so much bad luck. Through my experiences I have learned a lot about Thais and how they view farangs and me in Pattaya only! I was born and raised in the USA can pass for Thai, Japanese, Korean at the same time I have many advantages I also get discriminated by Thais just like you whites guys and get discriminated by white farangs living and visiting Pattaya. I live among the poor to middle class Thais although I don't have much I'm like a millionaire to those around me but I don't flash or throw it in front of others especially the Thais. I eat Thai and pretty much live a Thai life. I'm known to everyone as having a good heart and will feed any kid who comes into my home while their parents are working.

But in the end I've been taken advantage, ripped off, etc. At one point I slapped and pretty much was thinking payback to those regardless of who they were. I was told by one Thai " that you can't live safely in Thailand " I took that as a threat and struck before he could just like how a Thai would have responded. But what I expected even surprise me? I was taken aback that what I did was unacceptable but if I was Thai it would have been the normal or expected or I wasn't a man or I would have lost face. But because I was a outsider there was a different standard, a standard for a Thai and a standard for a foreigner.

Sorry have to end here but will return later to complete hopefully?

[QUOTE=Samata61; 1207023]I was at Spasso (Grand Hyatt) with a GF a couple of months ago and was impressed with the quality of the freelancers. I almost got in trouble with my girl.

Can anyone help with how much are these girls charging for ST and LT.

Thanks[/QUOTE]There was some brouhaha some time back on these pages regarding the amount I paid. I paid 6000 for the first alnighter. 4000 for a short time girl the second time (2 hours) and 4000 for a girl who left for office after lunch with me on my next visit. If someone has better numbers, let us know so that we can benefit.

I talked to many girls and 4000 is the absolute minimum quoted for any girl that I liked.

This is my 2 cents as reply to above. If someone doesn't agree with what I paid, there's nothing to be done now!

McM

Cont.

That standard was I was suppose to let it go? I was told pretty much that the guy doesn't have the money and that he needs to feed his family. I was made to feel because I was a farang that if someone stole from me that it was okay for me to loose it. The Thais don't seem to understand or care that the money lost affected my family. In another situation I used the court system only to be told later by another lawyer as a Farang the system in these situation was useless, you should have stuck with previous choice and pay the mafia to knock him off.

Regardless, how much we tell Thais that we are not all loaded in cash and we are just like Thais, some have it, some don't and there are many in between. It doesn't sink in! They ask to borrow money and promise to pay back when they have no means to do so and when you question them they are offended and loose face. I certainly don't feel Thais hate me but the closes I could come is that they feel because we are here or live here they are entitled to cheat or ask us to pay more. Just this year I was at Royal Garden with my son and his friend they wanted to see the Wax museum. Jack Spirro, of Pirates of Carribean told the cashier to charge me Farang price. I told the guy " Ding Dong " I have live here for nearly 10 years at what point do you think I could pay Thai price " another fruit loop Thai shot back at me and said " if you have been here 10 years you should have a Thai driver license " I show him one and he didn't say a thing then I lecture all of them in front of everyone that I'm just like you! That when you bleed your blood is red so is mines.

I don't disagree that no race has a lock on rudeness and have seen many Farangs act poorly but I don't think this topic is about rudeness. While Thai men walk away from there responsibility to their kids because they can't control their little head but when a Farang does it is not acceptible. I have heard more than my share of Thai women sitting around in discussion as to how get a Farang and what you should expect from them. The first thing they seem to compare with each other is how much they are getting from the sucker. It's like a game or a badge of honor as to how much one gets they have a school of their own. They have a expectation that the man should take care of them if he is a Farang but that standard doesn't apply to a Thai.

For years I have been told that I need to be 100% Thai, This would never be asked of a white guy because his skin can't be changed but because I look like one of them they have no problem with the request. I have sat with so many Thai girls asking me how to get a Farang? What do they like? Teach me. I sit now and just smile like a Thai man smiling and drinking my Sansome. Saying anything or giving too much advice sooner or later they get upset or loose face. I'm Chinese and have been throughout China and never have ever experience so much loosing face from a culture like the Thais. When I first came on this board I was told by a long standing member who got kicked off that saying the culture is backwards is being kind.

As Fon Tok noted there are worst places and Thailand overall is pretty good but stay with just the pussy. But when you live here that is easier said than done the more you become entrence into the country it can sour you. I have been but the last few years I am trying to reinvent myself and I'm slowly transforming myself to many of the Thai ways and one of them is just smile and try not to let it get to me. Now I do as Thai men do let your little head do the leading. I use to feel guilty but now I have no problem fucking a Thai mans wife if she wants a shoulder to cry on because he is out being a butterfly. I have been in bars and after they hear my story have given me what I call simpity fucks while I'm getting sucked off I thinking only in Thailand LOS!

I have committed myself to never allowing this country and people to beat me down or take away my joy for life. I have allow those that have wrong me in the past to move on except for one and god help him and his family the day I find him. Meantime I am transforming and I'm becoming their worse nightmare. I'm a Farang that knows too much and look like them and that has many plus with Thai women but in the end I am no better or worse than you guys except this ATM has limitation. The women believe what they want and I always tell them the truth " I have no money to take care of you " they believe what they want but when I'm done I pay them and thank them. I walk away knowing that I still treat everyone the same with respect until they deserve otherwise. I have been jaded and I guard myself and say very little because my life is in Thailand.

They don't hate us but boy they sure think we owe them something that isn't expected from their own people?

Enjoy and thanks for allowing me to vent. LBM

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1207911]If you limit your life and time in Thailand to just "pussy," you will miss out on a lot that it has to offer. Just my opinion. :)[/QUOTE]The main draw for most foreign men to come to LOS is for the cheap available pussy. Being that this is a sex board I assume most guys here fit in that category. Now lets imagine that tomorrow the thais closed all their sex venues to foreigners and the only available pussy was fat ugly Thai women at $300 / short time. How many mongers would continue to spend their time here to enjoy the other things on offer?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1208016]Cont.

That standard was I was suppose to let it go? I was told pretty much that the guy doesn't have the money and that he needs to feed his family. I was made to feel because I was a farang that if someone stole from me that it was okay for me to loose it. The Thais don't seem to understand or care that the money lost affected my family. In another situation I used the court system only to be told later by another lawyer as a Farang the system in these situation was useless, you should have stuck with previous choice and pay the mafia to knock him off.

Regardless, how much we tell Thais that we are not all loaded in cash and we are just like Thais, some have it, some don't and there are many in between. It doesn't sink in! They ask to borrow money and promise to pay back when they have no means to do so and when you question them they are offended and loose face. I certainly don't feel Thais hate me but the closes I could come is that they feel because we are here or live here they are entitled to cheat or ask us to pay more. Just this year I was at Royal Garden with my son and his friend they wanted to see the Wax museum. Jack Spirro, of Pirates of Carribean told the cashier to charge me Farang price. I told the guy " Ding Dong " I have live here for nearly 10 years at what point do you think I could pay Thai price " another fruit loop Thai shot back at me and said " if you have been here 10 years you should have a Thai driver license " I show him one and he didn't say a thing then I lecture all of them in front of everyone that I'm just like you! That when you bleed your blood is red so is mines.

I don't disagree that no race has a lock on rudeness and have seen many Farangs act poorly but I don't think this topic is about rudeness. While Thai men walk away from there responsibility to their kids because they can't control their little head but when a Farang does it is not acceptible. I have heard more than my share of Thai women sitting around in discussion as to how get a Farang and what you should expect from them. The first thing they seem to compare with each other is how much they are getting from the sucker. It's like a game or a badge of honor as to how much one gets they have a school of their own. They have a expectation that the man should take care of them if he is a Farang but that standard doesn't apply to a Thai.

For years I have been told that I need to be 100% Thai, This would never be asked of a white guy because his skin can't be changed but because I look like one of them they have no problem with the request. I have sat with so many Thai girls asking me how to get a Farang? What do they like? Teach me. I sit now and just smile like a Thai man smiling and drinking my Sansome. Saying anything or giving too much advice sooner or later they get upset or loose face. I'm Chinese and have been throughout China and never have ever experience so much loosing face from a culture like the Thais. When I first came on this board I was told by a long standing member who got kicked off that saying the culture is backwards is being kind.

As Fon Tok noted there are worst places and Thailand overall is pretty good but stay with just the pussy. But when you live here that is easier said than done the more you become entrence into the country it can sour you. I have been but the last few years I am trying to reinvent myself and I'm slowly transforming myself to many of the Thai ways and one of them is just smile and try not to let it get to me. Now I do as Thai men do let your little head do the leading. I use to feel guilty but now I have no problem fucking a Thai mans wife if she wants a shoulder to cry on because he is out being a butterfly. I have been in bars and after they hear my story have given me what I call simpity fucks while I'm getting sucked off I thinking only in Thailand LOS!

I have committed myself to never allowing this country and people to beat me down or take away my joy for life. I have allow those that have wrong me in the past to move on except for one and god help him and his family the day I find him. Meantime I am transforming and I'm becoming their worse nightmare. I'm a Farang that knows too much and look like them and that has many plus with Thai women but in the end I am no better or worse than you guys except this ATM has limitation. The women believe what they want and I always tell them the truth " I have no money to take care of you " they believe what they want but when I'm done I pay them and thank them. I walk away knowing that I still treat everyone the same with respect until they deserve otherwise. I have been jaded and I guard myself and say very little because my life is in Thailand.

They don't hate us but boy they sure think we owe them something that isn't expected from their own people?

Enjoy and thanks for allowing me to vent. LBM[/QUOTE]Hi LittleBigMan,

I just met a local girl today who just wanted to meet and just be friends first. I met her here at one of the Mall in Bangkok. I first we went to the Starsbucks and we talked for a bit. Then she tells me that she has to go and buy a dress for her brother wedding and hair curly iron. She asked me if I wanted to go with her. I tell her to be with her would be my pleasure. We go to another Mall and she goes on to tell me that all of the foreigners come to shop here. That is the first hint that I get as to what is coming up. Oh, before I go she STATES rather strongle that we are only friends and nothing else. I tell her I agree with her. We go to many of the store looking for a dress first, she finds one but tells me,"Dress cost to much money". We then go to a place where they sell the hair curling iron, she looks at it and then say to me that it cost too much. We then proceed to go where the cell outlets are and she looking at Iphones. She say again they cost to much and she does not have the money. I was lost at this point and I asked myself is she expecting for me to pay for the Dress. So I like a sucker go Ahead and pay for the Dress, Hair Curly Iron and a women pocketbook that she wanted. All I got for it was a thank you at the train station and I will see you some time later. I said to myself that is what I get for being nice. Before she left I asked her can I come and visit you at your house. She tells me that I can not visit her house because parents would get mad. My one question to you ans since you know culture, was that true what she told me that I could visit because of her parents?

I think I am being railroaded but if I am I will take this as lesson learned.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1208027]The main draw for most foreign men to come to LOS is for the cheap available pussy. Being that this is a sex board I assume most guys here fit in that category. Now lets imagine that tomorrow the thais closed all their sex venues to foreigners and the only available pussy was fat ugly Thai women at $300 / short time. How many mongers would continue to spend their time here to enjoy the other things on offer?[/QUOTE]Why would you want to fuck a fat ugly women when you can most likely get that back home anytime you wanted. Why travel almost 28 hours (in my case) to fuck some beastly looking animal. There are whales and dogs back home that I can fuck and save myself the airplane and hotel fare.

EHContento,

I no expert on Thai culture!

But she didn't lie to you after everythng she didn't have sex with you so she kept her word just friends.

When she went shopping everything was too expensive? too expensive for her if she had to buy with her own money! But it was okay for you to buy so you figure it out already without me having to tell you.

When it isn't your money its great. I have lots of Thai women mad at me because Farangs over coffee ask me if their girlfriends or wife ideas are any good? I tell them to tell their girlfriends or wife to first go to a bank with their idea and if the bank will loan them the money you should go ahead and give or loan them the money without interest.

Here unless you plan to marry them don't meet the parents. She did you a favor by not taking you home? Bringing you home might have given her parents that she is working in a bar etc. When she isn't or don't want them to know?

Also, go easy on Amjeck, you just purchase all that stuff for a Thai girl and got nothing but a thank you for it after all those hours on a flight when you yourself could have stay home and done tje same thing and gotten the same thank you?

If you don't know by now Amjeck likes his women big,fat, ugly and CHEAP and will spend the time on a long flight to get it?

LBM

[QUOTE=ElHombreContento; 1208037]Hi LittleBigMan,

I just met a local girl today who just wanted to meet and just be friends first. I met her here at one of the Mall in Bangkok. I first we went to the Starsbucks and we talked for a bit. Then she tells me that she has to go and buy a dress for her brother wedding and hair curly iron. She asked me if I wanted to go with her. I tell her to be with her would be my pleasure. We go to another Mall and she goes on to tell me that all of the foreigners come to shop here. That is the first hint that I get as to what is coming up. Oh, before I go she STATES rather strongle that we are only friends and nothing else. I tell her I agree with her. We go to many of the store looking for a dress first, she finds one but tells me,"Dress cost to much money". We then go to a place where they sell the hair curling iron, she looks at it and then say to me that it cost too much. We then proceed to go where the cell outlets are and she looking at Iphones. She say again they cost to much and she does not have the money. I was lost at this point and I asked myself is she expecting for me to pay for the Dress. So I like a sucker go Ahead and pay for the Dress, Hair Curly Iron and a women pocketbook that she wanted. All I got for it was a thank you at the train station and I will see you some time later. I said to myself that is what I get for being nice. Before she left I asked her can I come and visit you at your house. She tells me that I can not visit her house because parents would get mad. My one question to you ans since you know culture, was that true what she told me that I could visit because of her parents?

I think I am being railroaded but if I am I will take this as lesson learned.[/QUOTE]Is this a joke, are you serious? You met a woman today and you decided to buy her a dress, a pocketbook and a hair iron? Why? Is that the way men operate in your culture or better yet would you do this to a woman you met in your hometown after she told you up front that she only wants to be friends? This has nothing to do with thai culture and you were not railroaded because this has to be shtick.

Dear friends.

Why do you use thid thread to discuss this matter?

The Forum has other threads to discuss such matters.

This is a "Bangkok Reports" thread.

Forgive me if I am wrong

[QUOTE=ElHombreContento; 1208037]I just met a local girl today who just wanted to meet and just be friends first. .

I think I am being railroaded but if I am I will take this as lesson learned.[/QUOTE]You are too funny! Can I just be your friend too? I need a new laptop and a scooter and flatscreen TV, but it is too expensive.

[QUOTE=James02;1207838]You mentiond China town as being a hot spot for the action and you said you got a service for 500. But you did not indicate time spent. How much time did you get with the Girl for 500?[/QUOTE]The deal in Thai low-end areas (like Chinatown) with 300-500 baht fares is always wham-bam-thank-you-mam. As long as it takes you to finish. I guess that's 10-20 minutes on average, although I had a longer session ( 50 min) with one of the girls (and gave her a 100 baht tip). Not GFE, although anything can be negotiated.

[QUOTE=James02;1207838]Are there any other areas of Bankok that are hot spots? I know ElHombreContento mentioned Nana; what and where is this?[/QUOTE]Sometimes we forget how daunting this pile of discussions is to newbies. Try a simple guide like [url]http://nana-soi-cowboy-redlight-guide.weebly.com/[/url]

If you don't know where Nana Plaza is, don't bother going to Thai areas like Chinatown for mongering. You are guaranteed to have a lousy time there compared to the Farang areas. On the other hand, the seafood is quite fine.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1207547]I think that I am having more great times and less duds through experience to recognise the girl's level of enthusiasm, and since the ISG has been making me aware of the best places and also the places to not bother.[/QUOTE]On the one hand, all the old hands might say that "things aren't like they used to be anymore," or "it's getting worse." I would say that I miss those Friday and Saturday nights when there just seemed to be a ton of freelancers in the BG or Gullivers that you'd never seen before, that worked regular jobs during the week, just coming out to make some extra cash. How many girls did I have in my rolodex who were sweet, came and spent the night, never ever asked about how much, and even at 1000 baht a time, would still come back again and again. Yeah, those days do seem kind of few and far in between. But I completely agree, on the other hand I have gotten far more experienced and wiser. My instincts are good, and my success ratios are very high, and I still seem to have a big grin on my face as the girls strut their sexy butts down the hallway. You learn exactly what you like, what you don't like, what you will put up with and what you won't, and you get rid of 80% of the excess garbage.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1208115]The deal in Thai low-end areas (like Chinatown) with

300-500 baht fares is always wham-bam-thank-you-mam. As long as it takes you to

Finish. I guess that's 10-20 minutes on average, although I had a longer

Session (50 min) with one of the girls (and gave her a 100 baht tip). Not GFE,

Although anything can be negotiated.[/QUOTE]Well 500 bah for a third world contory in less then half an hour.

That sound very expencive.

I would of thought you could have the whole night for that.

I was speaking to someone today in person and he reconds that Pattaya is cheaper then bankok.

Can someone please clarify this?

[QUOTE=Gregbro; 1208095]Dear friends.

Why do you use thid thread to discuss this matter?

The Forum has other threads to discuss such matters.

This is a "Bangkok Reports" thread.

Forgive me if I am wrong[/QUOTE]In all due respect. Please define for me aside from Sex what should be in the Bangkok Report Thread. If the weather relates to Bangkok we should be able to talk about weather. If food relates to Bangkok we should be able to talk about food. If culture or people relates to Bangkok we should be able to talk about culture and people. If you are looking for a site that is perfect and only stick to a specific topic and posters never get off track this isn't it and never will be, so yes in my opinion you are wrong and you are forgiven. This is the Bangkok thread patients and good things will come?

LBM

[QUOTE=James02; 1208173]Well 500 bah for a third world contory in less then half an hour.

That sound very expencive.

I would of thought you could have the whole night for that.

I was speaking to someone today in person and he reconds that Pattaya is cheaper then bankok.

Can someone please clarify this?[/QUOTE]Geez, from the questions you asked, you obviously didn't read the forum. Although it does take effort to go thru all the BS.

But I'll answer some of your questions; maybe you'll stop asking everywhere. I think it's funny when the bandwidth police complains about people wasting, but then they waste the same bandwidth complaining.

Thailand is not 3rd world. It should be 2nd world. The Thai baht got a lot stronger. If you think 500 baht ($15 US) is expensive, then you need to go to a cheaper destination.

You also asked on the other threads about cheap sex destinations. Cambodia is the cheapest out of the big 3 (Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines). You can get it between $5 to $10 at the cheap dirty shack brothels; maybe a little bit cheaper if you try to be a cheap local. It still will be a one shot deal. If you want to eat, sleep and fuck for the cheapest price, it will be Cambodia.

Vietnam has cheap food and guesthouses, but the P4P scene is a hassle. You can get $10 BJs. Vietnam can be cheap, only if you are experienced and don't want the hot looking girls.

Burma, from what I read (never been there) , might be cheap as / or cheaper than Cambodia. But the infrastructure isn't there. Mexico and definitely Brazil will be more expensive than Cambodia.

If you want cheaper, my guess would be to go to Africa where people are starving. There you might be able to get some for cake (just like some of those UN peacekeepers).

Of course Pattaya is cheaper than Bangkok. The main capital of a country is always more expensive. 1 or 2 hours away is always cheaper. Pattaya and Angeles is cheaper than Bangkok and Manila.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1208063]Is this a joke, are you serious? You met a woman today and you decided to buy her a dress, a pocketbook and a hair iron? Why? Is that the way men operate in your culture or better yet would you do this to a woman you met in your hometown after she told you up front that she only wants to be friends? This has nothing to do with thai culture and you were not railroaded because this has to be shtick.[/QUOTE]That was most definitely a joke. Nobody is that naive (read stupid).

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1208016]Regardless, how much we tell Thais that we are not all loaded in cash and we are just like Thais, some have it, some don't and there are many in between. It doesn't sink in![/QUOTE]Last time I entered the country the immigration guy looked in my passport and asked why I had been to Thailand so many times this year. I told him that I lived here. He said so you are rich. I said if I was rich I probably wouldn't live here in a 4,500 baht/month room.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1208016]I certainly don't feel Thais hate me but the closes I could come is that they feel because we are here or live here they are entitled to cheat or ask us to pay more. Just this year I was at Royal Garden with my son and his friend they wanted to see the Wax museum. Jack Spirro, of Pirates of Carribean told the cashier to charge me Farang price. I told the guy " Ding Dong " I have live here for nearly 10 years at what point do you think I could pay Thai price " another fruit loop Thai shot back at me and said " if you have been here 10 years you should have a Thai driver license " I show him one and he didn't say a thing[/QUOTE]I'm a bit different from you. I am quick to whip out my license and tell them that I live here and I'm not going to pay farang price. That always sets them straight. I met a group of guys in the airport coming to Pattaya and decided to take a van with them. There was a lady holding a sign outside immigration and asked if we needed transportation. I told her yes. A van for 9 people. She said 2500 baht. I told her in Thai while showing her my license that I live here and I am not crazy. I will give you 1500 baht. She said okay let me call the boss. 10 minutes later the driver arrived and walked us out to the van.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1208016]I'm a Farang that knows too much and look like them and that has many plus with Thai women but in the end I am no better or worse than you guys except this ATM has limitation. The women believe what they want and I always tell them the truth " I have no money to take care of you "[/QUOTE]The more you tell them this, the more they want you. I have a wingman in town who always tells the women to stay with the guy who is sending them money and paying them a lot because he is not going to do it. But for some reason they always want to forego the money. The other day we were sitting with a group of girls and I was telling them that we do not want to be #1, we want to be #2. #1 has too many responsibilities and has to send money and take shit from them. #2 is the guy they just want to have fun with and money has nothing to do with it. The girl he is with now has been with him for the last few days and he is giving her 800 baht / day.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1207975]Without going into detail I came to reside in Thailand (Pattaya) for many reasons much different than many of you.[/QUOTE]Without going into the reasons? Look to be honest I assume most would not be in Pattaya it wasn't for cheap pussy.

Okay I do undertsnad that Pattaya does not have same cultural standards as the rest of Thailand. Anything goes, right?

I was last in Pattaya (south Pattaya / Jomtien) 15 years ago and I was not impressed at all.

Dirty beaches with rubbish floating in the water. Too many tourists. Worse than Patong beach Phuket.

Since then, I can find far better Beach resorts. E. G. Koh Tao, Koh Phi Phi, some beaches in Phuket, even Koh Samet.

Samui is okay but a bit boring for me and expensive to get to. Koh Samet is closer cheaper alternative.

I would like to try Koh Lanta too.

Koh Lipe (Satun province) was my favourite for nature although probably no sex available there unless take your own or hook up.

Koh Lipe seemed to have no Americans nor British.

Tourists seemed to be mostly Scandanavian and many family groups looking for unspoiled nature.
My other favorite province in Thailand is Mae Hong Son (pronounced: mae hawng sawn). Don't know if sex is available easily (but probably is).

What else attracts to Pattaya?

Mr. E,

Since many Thais in my opinion will never be able to leave this country by air. If they are it wouldn't be often? When I tell Thais what I have to pay to fly just to be away for a few weeks their expression is it is more than what they make in a year. Just the fact we can do things like fly or even spend money on a cup of coffee at Starbucks gives the wrong impression that we are all rich? My cousin is here now and tells all the girls he doesn't have any money but barfines them and take them to Fuji, KFC, Coffee 94, MK, etc. It is a contradiction and Thais think we are cheap and just lying to them.

I carry a I. D. To drive, I don't feel I have to wear it around my neck to tell them I live here. Being a miniority in the USA I don't think I should have to wear my birth certificate to let people know I was born in the USA I go around acting if I was home unless I'm ask I don't provide. I too recently came back from the States with my brother and miss the Bell bus because of the long lines at immigration. With lots of lugguge and it raining I didn't want to play around so I went to the taxi stand which I know is 1500 baht to Pattaya. I spoke a little Thai to her and she look at our lugguge and ask the drivers lining up who wants to go to Pattaya, everyone look the other way. She said it will cost you more and I politely told her I usuallly pay 1000 to 1200 and that includes toll but I'm here giving you my business. A minute later a station wagon Toyota pull up and off we went.

Thai women from my experience are told that we Farang are just pulling their legs about not having money. They have been taught that we are holding back on them but then we turn around (see my post above) sure it is a good line about being #2, they will invest the time to see if they can move you up to #1, it is all a game with them given the opportunity they will test you in the future to see how big your heart is which translate into how much money is in the ATM? Money isn't important to them if they are with their useless Thai boyfriend and their own kind but that standard doesn't apply to Farangs. As a Farang you might be #2 now but as time goes on they will try to move you into #1 and as noted that comes with responsibilities, your friend is now paying 800 baht to the girl and having a great time sooner or later she will try to move him to #1, whether she can is another matter but she will try and your friend might not even know it. I think the big advantage he has is that they have you along as a friend to prevent that.

LBM

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1208267]Without going into the reasons? Look to be honest I assume most would not be in Pattaya it wasn't for cheap pussy.

Okay I do undertsnad that Pattaya does not have same cultural standards as the rest of Thailand. Anything goes, right?

I was last in Pattaya (south Pattaya / Jomtien) 15 years ago and I was not impressed at all.

Dirty beaches with rubbish floating in the water. Too many tourists. Worse than Patong beach Phuket.

Since then, I can find far better Beach resorts. E. G. Koh Tao, Koh Phi Phi, some beaches in Phuket, even Koh Samet.

Samui is okay but a bit boring for me and expensive to get to. Koh Samet is closer cheaper alternative.

I would like to try Koh Lanta too.

Koh Lipe (Satun province) was my favourite for nature although probably no sex available there unless take your own or hook up.

Koh Lipe seemed to have no Americans nor British.

Tourists seemed to be mostly Scandanavian and many family groups looking for unspoiled nature.

My other favorite province in Thailand is Mae Hong Son (pronounced: mae hawng sawn). Don't know if sex is available easily (but probably is).

What else attracts to Pattaya?[/QUOTE]As I said my reasons are different and personal from yours I surely didn't come to be impress or for the beach and even if it is dirty I enjoy being able to seeing the ocean. While you are looking for clean beaches I'm here knee deep in buffalo shit that is the difference between you and me as to where I live.

LBM