Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Aq1212;2933746]Hi all, thanks for everyone's posts, it's great to get the lay of the land before heading out on the prowl. I'm from NYC and will be visiting Bogota from August 2nd onwards, would any of the more experienced people in the area be down to hit some of the bars / clubs / strip clubs / mongering sites together? Cheers, looking forward![/QUOTE]I just returned 2 weeks ago and I'll be returning to Bogota Sept 3 for a week Pm me if you need some direction.

[QUOTE=Koala5722;2927883]Hi all,

First, please let me know if this is the wrong place to post a questionit seems like it, but I'm new here.

I'm curious if anyone has any recommendations for pretty, independent escorts, particularly ones that offer incalls. I've used agencies on previous occasions, but the whole process of renting a room in a love hotel and coordinating with the agency isn't exactly fun for me, and I'm not interested in going to a brothel or picking up girls at bars / clubs or using SA or anything like that. I'm shy and have anxiety I'm not in love with "the chase. " Perhaps this isn't a popular approach or seems like a waste of money, but I'd rather pay somewhat more for a pretty, classy, professional provider with a good reputation that doesn't require me getting out of my comfort zone. I remember finding a provider that was around $180/ HR, but I can't remember her site, so I can't check to see if she's been discussed.

Does anyone have any recommendations?[/QUOTE]I know Bogota very well, not so much SF anymore, its been years since went there. But I have a few non pro numbers that are still active They are very sweet girls, One of my friends for years very pretty and never a problem with time or service. She lost her job and can use a little help. PM me and we can chat a little more about this. You won't be disappointed.

Sorry I asked you guys to pm me to a full mail box. The administrator emailed me to clean out some messages but it went straight to my spam folder. All good now!

I got very sick from Covid in July when I was in Bogota. Lots of hacking sneezing and coughing on the plane on my way to Bogota, Unfortunately I took Spirit for that flight because of the flight schedule. The plane came in late and as soon as the arriving passengers got off they boarded us. I'm sure they never cleaned the plane because it would be impossible to clean it in 2 or 3 minutes. I was sick in the room for 3 days, thanks God I felt a lot better by the time my trip was over, I did have a test with me so I tested positive 2 days after I arrived and negative the day before my return flight.

The new Covid increase is all over the net now. I hope they don't resort to all the old Pandemic protocols. Requiring negative tests, some of which costs hundreds in the States and more than 100,000 in Bogota at a clinic. I'll wear a mask on my flight in two weeks and have my hand sanitizer for sure this trip.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2937326]I got very sick from Covid in July when I was in Bogota. Lots of hacking sneezing and coughing on the plane on my way to Bogota.[/QUOTE]I noticed a lot of that in Santa Fe on the 23rd.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2936306]I know Bogota very well, not so much SF anymore, its been years since went there. But I have a few non pro numbers that are still active They are very sweet girls, One of my friends for years very pretty and never a problem with time or service. She lost her job and can use a little help. PM me and we can chat a little more about this. You won't be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Also, I got locked out of my old account (too many forgotten passwords), so I creatively named a new one. I'm in BG now.

Its into the title, I know there is tons of them but some link toward profile of escort in Bogota who are stunning plastic bimbo with the pornstar look. Huge plsstic fske breast with the huge booty and the lips. I want to try the ultimate fuck experience with a living doll.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937331]I noticed a lot of that in Santa Fe on the 23rd.[/QUOTE]In any case the Vast majority do not have to worry about covid and Never did-- THe be-S that has been spread about covid is Epic-- But that's what BigPharma does as they own the ScumBag media. So Many people have been Murdered by the crapvax--Including my friend. Many many people have had their lives destroyed and you can read about them here [URL]https://www.realnotrare.com/[/URL].

The Bright Side-- Many many people are now doubting everything the ScumBag media says-- We Need More of that because they spout be-S Everyday.

One positive. Tequendama Suites is nice. Under $100/ night for the master suite is a good deal. The room is huge. Good security. Location is good for Santa Fe. And some food options around. Pretty busy area.

Santa Fe: I was prepared for the trash and the rough look. As opposed to other areas like Centro in Medellin and zona norte in Tijuana, Santa Fe feels bigger. The thing that sticks out to me was that if you're a gringo, you might be the only one. LOL It just feels like you can be targeted very easily. I had no problems whatsoever. I arrived about 8 PM. There were not too many girls on the streets at that time. The ones that were still there came in all shapes and sizes. I will say there were two or three that were quite attractive.

SF Bars. This was my big letdown. Spent my time in Fiebre and Troya. Both were very similiar. Ordered a beer at Troya and it was chilled, not cold. Walked a bit. I counted about 20 girls. More guys than girls, but the quality was a letdown. The music there is too loud. That makes me sound old. LOL. But it was difficult to have a conversation. As opposed to other bars, Troya and Fiebre were not high pressure places. The meseros aren't hounding you. Neither are the girls. But I just couldn't find anything interesting. I bought one chica a drink at Troya. The best looking one there. She was nice. I couldn't hear her name. We sat and chatted. She's from Venezuela. That's a virtual non-starter for me. I have taken a few Vennies but most underwhelm me. Add to that the increased danger level and just not worth it. As for the selection at Fiebre, there were fewer girls. On average, probably less attractive. But I will say there were a few that were GND kind of good looking.

I also got the run around on a few spas yesterday. Truth be told after flying in yesterday, I started too late. Hopefully today is better. But so fsr, I've seen nothing in Bogota that will bring me back.

I might try some of the bars to the north today. I'm not exactly sure where to find them. But after striking out all over yesterday, maybe I won't mind the higher prices.

I don't think this is against the posting guidelines since this is a link to a profile not to a photo, but I'm sorry if I misinterpreted.

I was looking at this profile here: [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/teusaquillo/hermosa-chica-fogosa-culona-y-con-una-cara-arrecha-cari%C3%B1o-id-emusc[/URL].

To her apartment and I was wondering what I should be looking for. I searched for her photo on Google images and nothing came up other than this profile. Are there any red flags I should be looking for?

I am loving this city. Enough whining!

[QUOTE=Koala5723;2937843]I don't think this is against the posting guidelines since this is a link to a profile not to a photo, but I'm sorry if I misinterpreted.

I was looking at this profile here: [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/teusaquillo/hermosa-chica-fogosa-culona-y-con-una-cara-arrecha-cari%C3%B1o-id-emusc[/URL].

To her apartment and I was wondering what I should be looking for. I searched for her photo on Google images and nothing came up other than this profile. Are there any red flags I should be looking for?[/QUOTE]That's a well known casa in Teusaquillo. If you look at other ads for girls for 140 k COP, you'll notice some with also have the address listed in that ad which is Carrera 20#42 a-55. I have never been but from what I've read on other forums, this place just advertises the hottest girls they have and when you arrive, she advertised girl is busy, so they offer you a different girl.

So in short, not a scam, but you might not get the girl in the ad.

Hey, I'm landing in Bogota tomorrow. Staying for a couple of weeks. Any girl-friendly hotels in Chapinero and farther North? I know about Tequendama Suites, but there isn't much going for that neighborhood in terms of non-mongering action. Would prefer something closer to Zona G / are, Park 93, etc.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,

-foo.

[QUOTE=DPlainviewintl;2931741]

Under 40 years old, intermediate level Spanish, and it's been 3+ years since I've been with a new woman. I had met a woman in another LATAM country shortly after I started in this hobby and the sex / chemistry was enough that I only slept with / traveled exclusively with her for those 3+ years. It was a great experience and we saw a lot of places together, but circumstances in her life led to our schedules never lining up anymore, and it was time for me to move on. This trip to Bogota was going to be my first re-entry into the field and my first time visiting the country. I have experience using escort sites in other countries outside the US in the past with good success, and I've never liked walking the streets looking for gals or visiting Casas........


My Overall Experience: Definitely a mixed bag of success and disappointment. I might have found a new girl to travel with in the future and the experience I had with her was great. I also got to see Cartagena, as well as go to a lot of great restaurants and see some cool interesting places in both cities. However, I am disappointed I didn't find better talent at the agencies that met my expectations (style, communication, performance). Only having 1 good experience out of 5 total was unfortunate. I think with more time I could have done more, but I'm looking forward to next LATAM country, there's quite a few I haven't been too that I know I might have more success.

Anyways, this turned out longer than I intended. Hopefully some of what I provided here is helpful. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE]You were a newbie and did the typical gringo tour. More than time, you are probably better off with a couple of UTR referrals and contacts. I keep a few long term SA and other chicas in my Bogota list. PM me. Was that you in a flight in July. You were in a middle seat telling your neighbors about how you dated a latina exclusively for 3 years and now it was time to move on or explore.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2938054]That's a well known casa in Teusaquillo. If you look at other ads for girls for 140 k COP, you'll notice some with also have the address listed in that ad which is Carrera 20#42 a-55. I have never been but from what I've read on other forums, this place just advertises the hottest girls they have and when you arrive, she advertised girl is busy, so they offer you a different girl.

So in short, not a scam, but you might not get the girl in the ad.[/QUOTE]I was there once. There were six-eight girls. All of them were 3-5, none like in the pictures. Maybe it's just my experience.

Thursday.

Went to Pussy House and arrived 10 pm, it was pretty dead. Paid 30 k for a Corona that I nursed for almost an hour. Saw one girl with a big ass that I liked but she was busy entertaining five guys sitting by the stripper scene. At one point she looked at me and smiled and I tried to wave her over but she just smiled and continued entertaining her group of guys. A girl walked over to my booth and asked if she could join me, I said yes and after a while she wanted a corona, I said sure but a few minutes later I told her screw the corona lets go to the room now. She said it was too late to cancel, I said I have no money for the corona, she said pay whatever, so I gave her 2 k pesos and she was cool with that, wtf?

Anyways 140 k (30 min) for her and 10 k to the reception for the room. Really weird session, she starts with a dry handjob and I tell her lubrication por favor and the bi*tch pours her corona on my dick and uses the beer as lube hahaha. I came with her on top but man this girl is loca.

Friday.

Sessioned with a 22-year-old working out of a motel that has a bunch of girls (not the same address as posted below). Found her on photoprepagos. Paid 140 k for 1 hour. A few days later I took her to a fancy Italian restaurant in zona T and a nearby club. Total for food and drinks was 160 USD but that night and the next 24 hours I was her boyfriend. I wasn't sure if the building reception where I was staying would allow guests but thankfully it wasn't an issue. I would have spent more time with her but Brazil was calling.

Saturday.

5 pm. Went to see [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/usaquen/solo-para-caballeros-de-buen-gusto-que-esperas-ven-id-venbx[/URL] She's a little bigger than in the photos but if you like big asses you're in for a treat. 250 k for 1 hour with BBBJ and CIM. Highly recommend.

Went to Pussy House with a friend (local) at 2. 30 am, place was packed. Ordered in two coronas and gave the waiter two 50 k bills and of course he forgot to return the change but managed to bring two plastic cups with frosting on the rim and filled with some liquid, but only one fifth of the cup was filled. My friend immediately said don't drink that and I told the waiter about the change, which he returned after five minutes. The same big booty girl that I saw last time was there but still only interested in entertaining a group of men. In the booth next to us was another big booty girl but dressed as a civilian. Sent my friend to talk to her but she told him that she had ended her shift and was headed home.

After Cali, I headed to Bogota. Both for a dentist visit on Monday and Santa Fe. I like Bogota but don't fancy the weather. Having to pack a sweater in the summer seems ridiculous. Airbnb near Santa Fe is very convenient. Work on Transmilenio and Ave Caracas means even slower traffic than usual. Walked around Zona T -- Crowded with shoppers for a Sunday evening. I had to buy a jacket because of the cold. No skimpy dressed girls walking around here. Taxied to Santa Fe. Have never been too far south of Calle 22. Wow. Compared to the areas around the strip bars, South of Calle 22 is the Wild, Wild West. Perhaps a lower quality girl and certainly groups of Trans girls, but quite the spectacle. On two occasions I saw two different girls standing with their breasts fully exposed on the street corner. That's how fierce the competition is, I guess. I chatted up one young thing and as soon as I mentioned BBBJ she turned cold. Wouldn't budge. Moving on, you have to be bold to approach these girls standing in the darkened corners. I imagine pretty much any kind of action wouldn't be too hard to find with a bit of effort. And you will see more addicts and zombies. I think the biggest difference here on this side of Calle 22 is it's not as well lit, a bit more risky if you are alone, and the girls don't put in too much effort to look good. Pockets of people in small bars and on street corners having fun, which I took part in. Trans girls hustling with supply far outweighing demand. Just keep your wits about you and don't act too drunk. I found a girl I liked and moved to a love hotel. No pressure on time. 50 K standard rate. Average service, but friendly, not too crazy. BBBJ included, but I tipped her in appreciation. The next night I returned and found more people out than the night prior. The girl I met was freezing in her short shorts and thin top. But a cute, innocent thing (to my eyes.) I negotiated BBBJ in the room, which she did, if reluctantly. Bonus 50 K on top of standard 50 K. I could tell she was new to the scene. This is usually the case when the girl offers to pay for the room. Also by how timid she appeared in the streets with her friends. She claimed to be a Vennie only in town for the past 2 months. She initially didn't want to "chupar sin" because, she said, she didn't want to become pregnant. I asked her to repeat this. She said she needed to protect herself. I told her I understood. Then again said she didn't want to get pregnant. I asked how would that be possible via the mouth? She looked confused. The service was mediocre, and when we proceeded to FS, she had no problem with the proximity of my uncovered Johnson to her fertile garden. We used the "preservativo" of course, but I was not really sure if she understood the biology of the act. Again, I suspect she was new to the game here in Bogota. My two night venture in and around Santa Fe included stops at the three liveliest clubs -- Venus, Troya, and Atunes. Very few girls inside any of them. Like, maybe three to five? Not many men either. Venus was the most interesting in that two separate girls did a full strip lap dance on their clients at the table, getting very into it. Sexy as hell. But in general, Santa Fe proper -- where the bars are -- seemed very dead. Not many girls hanging around in the streets. Could be the time of year. I was there from 8 PM to 10 PM and felt safe everywhere. For an extra shot of adventure, I recommend heading over to the streets south of Calle 22 towards Calle 20 and Calle 19. But be careful -- "No Rules" goes both ways.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;2938816] But in general, Santa Fe proper -- where the bars are -- seemed very dead. Not many girls hanging around in the streets. Could be the time of year.[/QUOTE]It's probably the Sunday and Monday holiday thing, it's usually much slower. Cool report.

Hi folks!

Thanks for all the guidance on the forum. I'm psyched for my visit next week. I have a mix of plans to try laclestina, Woodman tour, casas, and probably a visit to Lido.

1. Does anyone have any non-pros they'd like to throw some business at? If so, shoot me a DM. I won't tarnish your name with them.

2. The second half of my trip I'm staying near Zona T in Chapinero. There appear to be a concentration of casas near Carrera 13 a and Calle 78– a few of which seem to have some positive reviews on here- any to avoid there? Anything I should know walking into that area?

Thanks!

Frank.

Hello everyone. I have a question. Could anyone say anything about this place. "Carulla Rosales". I often see their ads on the photoprepagos, but there is no address. You can see it on the screenshot. Thanks.

Welcome to Bogota!

Welcome to the land of putas, arepas, and thin air! The nicer parts of the city, like La Candelaria and Zona Rosa were quite clean. But, I found some other areas were a bit trashy and riddled with graffiti. Having said that, I felt safe wherever I went. Because of the altitude, it was pleasant during the day, but it got chilly in the evenings. Because I am old and already walk slow, I did not have any issues with the altitude.

According to Wikipedia, "The city is located in the center of Colombia, on a high plateau known as the Bogota savanna, part of the Altiplano Cundiboyacense located in the Eastern Cordillera of the Andes. Bogota is the third-highest capital in South America after Quito and La Paz at an average of 2,640 meters (8,660 ft) above sea level. Subdivided into 20 localities, Bogota has an area of 1,587 square kilometers (613 square miles) and a cool climate that is constant through the year. "

Why Bogota?

I have been to 5 other cities in Colombia, but for whatsoever reason, I have not spent any time in Bogota. Thus, off I went!

Logistics & Other Stuff:

References:

I used three references: ISG, World Travel 69's maps, and Google search.

ISG:

Woodman09 – I had the pleasure of meeting up with him. He knows Santa Fe quite well. He gave me a thorough tour of the Zona de Tolerancia. Also, I was completely impressed with his knowledge of the rest of the city! I highly recommend taking one of his tours, especially if you have very little knowledge of the Zona de Tolerancia.

Mr Enternational – Whenever I want information on the down and dirty spots in a city, my brother always steers me in the right direction!

World Travel 69 – I have known World Travel 69 since 2012. He is dedicated to creating maps for fellow mongers. He updates his maps from our reports. PM him if you have any questions.

Travel Insurance:

The SquareMouth web-site gave me over 50 quotes from over 50 different companies. I chose Trawick from National Mutual. It was for 5-days and cost $127.

Money:

All the money I quote is in COP, Colombian pesos. According to Oanda, the current rate is 4,013 COP to one US dollar. I just divided the currency by 4 and it worked out for me. For example, 100,000 COP was around 25 bucks. I arrived very late in Bogota and I decided to cash in some dollars at the airport at the exchange place next to baggage claim three; rate was 3900. I used ATMs thereafter as needed. Tip from Woodman: You can pull 2,000,000 from the ATMs at Davivienda banks; around 500 US.

Flight:

I flew Aeromexico from Tijuana round-trip to Bogota. Each way, there was a layover in Mexico City. Total flight time was around 7 hours each way. Returning, there was a Sala VIP El Dorado Lounge, which was outstanding.

Immigration / Customs:

Because of my last trip to Colombia, I knew there was a Migration Form I needed to fill out called CheckMig. This is the website: migracioncolombia. Gov. Co. There you need to fill out the immigration registration form 72 hours before your trip OR up to one hour before.

It took me around 10 minutes to fill out the form and submit it. Once I did, within a few minutes, I received the document in my e-mail box. I had the completed form on my phone and I also printed the form out.

When I was going through immigration in Bogota, I was asked to show the completed form to the agent. I gave him the printed form and it was never returned to me. He stamped my passport and I was done.

Customs only existed to ask me if I had any bad thingys in my carry-on. No x-ray machine was required; quick process!

When I was returning, I completed the form online. But, the only immigration process there was when I had to place my passport on some machine and the little doors opened to let me move on to security. The CheckMig form was not asked for and nobody stamped my passport.

Hotel:

I stayed at the Tequendama Suites in Centro internacional.

PROS:

- Walking distance to the Zona de Tolerancia.

- Safe location.

- Solid WiFi.

- Large rooms.

- Great staff and service.

- Free breakfast buffet from 6 to 10.

- Chica friendly – They needed to register at the front desk. I brought in a bargirl, street girl, and an escort.

CONS:

- Rooms had NO heating.

- No free bottled water.

Overall, I enjoyed my stay!

Communication:

I have the T-Mobile Go5 GPlus55 plan; no worries whatsoever.

Transportation:

When I arrived at the airport, I did not see a taxi booth, so I just headed outside. All the taxis quoted the same price; 60. Because it was late, the streets were empty. It should have taken 15-20 minutes to reach my hotel. But, my airport taxi could not find the hotel! Hell, I am sure he could not find water if his dumb ass fell out of a fucking boat! I really need to learn this phrase in Spanish, "You only have one job!

Other forms of transportation:

Uber – Reliable during the day and early evening; iffy late night.

DiDi – Decent luck in the afternoon and evening.

InDrive – Was never able to get the app up and running.

Taxis – The majority of the drivers were clueless. Most of the drivers were older and had no concept regarding google maps.

Returning to the airport, my hotel called one of their van drivers and the cost was 40.

Spanish:

During my stay, I did not hear any English, which included my hotel, restaurants, drivers, and putas.

Restaurants:

I did a lot of research before I left and here are my thoughts on the food scene:

Santa Fe. Outstanding.

Cantina 15 – Outstanding.

La Scala – Excellent.

Andres DC – Very good.

El Son de LOS Grillos. Outstanding.

Overall, the food was pretty damn good. There was an abundant amount of street food venders scattered throughout the city.

Strip / table dance clubs:

In each club, I asked several questions and wrote down the answers as usual. Thus, if I am wrong; correct me please. I wrote down the lowest ficha price.

None of the clubs I visited had a cover charge!

The first 7 clubs were all in the Zona de Tolerancia. Many of the chicas would start out asking for 150 for 30 minutes, but if they thought I was interested, they would drop the price to 110 or 120.

Club: Fiebre.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 150 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: Told 30-40, saw 20. Good to hot.

Day / Time: Wednesday /9.

Comments: Overall nice club with nice chicas; I liked the place.

Club: Atonis.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 110 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 10, very good to hot.

Day / Time: Wednesday /9:30.

Comments: This was a smaller club with good prices. The place included a few hotties as well.

Club: Troya.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 110 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 25+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Wednesday /10.

Comments: This was one of my favorite clubs. I was there every night. There was always a lot going on and the place was down and dirty.

Club: Paisas.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 150 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 10, good to very good.

Day / Time: Wednesday /10:30.

Comments: This was a nice place and had a really long stage, which no one cared to dance on.

Club: Venus.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 120 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 10, good to very good.

Day / Time: Wednesday /11.

Comments: Another nice long bar. The girls never approached the clients, they were too busy on their damn phones.

Club: Texas.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 120 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 5, OK to good.

Day / Time: Wednesday /11:30.

Comments: This was a really small place; I liked it.

Club: Loto.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 150 for 30 minutes, but she lowered the price to 120 rather quickly.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 6, good to hot.

Day / Time: Thursday /1:45.

Comments: According to Woodman, this was a late night place. It was a smaller club with a couple of hotties in the mix.

The next 7 clubs were scattered throughout the city. Many of them were located in Chapinero.

Club: Forty Nine.

Ficha: 40.

Sex: 300 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 20, good to very good.

Day / Time: Thursday /10.

Comments: This was a smaller place with a good amount chicas running amuck.

Club: Bar Coche.

Ficha: 80 (seriously?

Sex: 170 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 10, good to very good.

Day / Time: Thursday /10:45.

Comments: This place was nothing special; skip it.

Club: Pussy House.

Ficha: 60.

Sex: 200 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: Told 50, saw 30+, very good to hot.

Day / Time: Thursday /11:15.

Comments: This was the other favorite club during my romp. It was a large great place with lots of beautiful chicas. If I had more time, I would have gone there every night.

Club: Divas VIP.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: Too scared to ask.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: Doable in a pinch to OK.

Day / Time: Thursday /12.

Comments: This was a small dumpy dark club. I had a chica hounding me the entire time. She had at least 3 chins and kept sticking out her tongue and waving it around like a flag. When I was leaving, there were 3 ugly nasty chicas at the entrance showing their goodies and acting a fool; skip that place.

Club: Whiskeria Show Linares.

Ficha: 15.

Sex: 200 for 25 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 15, OK to very good.

Day / Time: Thursday /12:30.

Comments: Because it was getting near my bedtime, all I remember is it was a very nice large club.

Club: Lido.

Ficha: Forgot to ask.

Sex: I talked to several chicas and I got different prices from each one:

- 100 US for an hour.

- 300 for an hour.

- One million for an hour.

- As I was leaving, a chica offered me 300 for take-out.

On Site: Yes and no.

Number / quality of chicas: 25+, very good to freaking hot.

Day / Time: Friday /10:30.

Comments: This club had the hottest chicas of all the other clubs. It was a large beautiful place that was packed with a butt-load of beautiful chicas! I loved the place!

Club: Lancaster Paris.

Ficha: 80 (ouch).

Sex: I was quoted 120,300, and 500 for an hour.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /11:30.

Comments: I thought this club was closed, but apparently not. All the chicas seemed independent and every one of them had different prices. This was the last club of my romp and I enjoyed the place.

Spas:

I only went to one spa; Tantra. I went there around 5 on Friday and I saw 6 chicas, good to very good. I wasn't sure if I was even in the right place! The sign above the place said, "Tantras. " I decided to choose a dark skinned chica and she wanted 120 for an hour.

When we decided to go to the room, we left the building, turned right, and went into a different building. We went upstairs and at the top of the stairs was a different spa with a "nurse" theme. Maybe that place was Tantra? Before us, there were 4 other couples waiting for a room. As we waited at the top of the stairs, we waited for 15 minutes, and there were still 4 couples waiting for a room. All the 4 girls were wearing a nurse outfit.

I said, "Fuck this!" and we returned to the first building. I found the manager and asked, "WTF?" She told me her building did not have rooms and for that reason, we had to go to the other building. But, the chicas (nurses) at the other building had priority over their club for the rooms. I did receive a full refund, so the only thing I lost was my time and patience.

So, the big question is: Was I in the right place? Please chime in because I am still confused!

Zona de Tolerancia and Street Girls:

Woodman took me there around 4 on a Wednesday afternoon. After walking around for 15 minutes, I came to the conclusion the Zona de Tolerancia was the biggest monger candy store I have ever seen! There were 100+ street girls available and their prices varied.

Woodman sent me a map of the active streets, which I will share with the board. From what I gathered, the area was from Calle 24 to Calle 19 and between Avenida Caracas and Carrera 17.

Besides the street girls, the area had numerous clubs. Basically, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. It was the shopping mall of putas; I loved the area. I was there every night during my romp.

Escorts:

As I was skimming through the ads on Mileroticos, the prices ranged from 100 to 400 for an hour. They all wanted more money for "oral al natural. " I had only one escort during my romp and the cost was 300 and included, "oral al natural."

Final thoughts on Bogota:

It was a seeking putas and eating good food trip. I thought the city was quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner. If I lived there, I would learn other forms of transportation. The city was huge! Would I ever return to Bogota? YES, I felt like I only scratched the surface of the monger scene and restaurants. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!

Como siempre, ¡Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto!

I'll start by saying I know some love this city. And I'm certainly not trying to sway anyone from avoiding Bogota. I just have to say it's not for me. One problem certainly overshadowed my entire trip. That incident was bad and will certainly prevent me from considering a return. (More on that later).

I won't bore everyone with blow by blow details. So forgive the general nature of my report.

The city: traffic is insane. That said, it seems like just plan on going anywhere took 35 minutes. It can be close by or far away. Every trip seemed to take 35 minutes. I stayed near Santa Fe and frequented alot of casas to the north. In hindsight, I should have stayed up north. I stayed at Tequendama Suites. The room was nice and more than adequate, especially for the price point. The surrounding area was part of my problem. If you choose Tequendama, just know that you are in a busy area. Think about sleeping near Times Square. Horns amd sirens. It's a big city amd except for a few hours overnight, it's hectic. One other issue: uber drivers had a HELL of a time finding me. Most of them came down carrera 13 and missed their turn on carrera 10. Then they'd cancel. There's not really a parking area there, which also caused minor issues.

Girl quality: it's almost stupid to discuss this broadly. But I would say for my tastes, Medlellin has a vastly superior selection. In my opinion, Bogota is filled with good looking girl next door types. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's kind of my sweet spot. I'm not one that goes out and hunts 10's. But I do think the overall quality in looks is a step or two below MDE. As for service, in my experience the GND usually delivers better service. I really have no complaints about the service levels I had with any of my sessions. Compared to MDE, Bogota seems to have more laid back, service-oriented chicas. And price wise, it's not even close. MDE is easily twice as expensive per session. (That's apples to apples; of course there are ranges for each area you shop in). For what it's worth, Bogota seemed to have alot of good food options.

Santa Fe and SF bars: total let down. I arrived on Thursday so it wasn't the days of thr week. Honestly, they were a waste of time. In any of the bars, there were between 5 and 20 girls. If you are a guy who wants to walk in and choose the girl, go upstairs and knock one out, these places are adequate. I typically like to have a drink or two, party a little bit. Well, that just never happened. It had kind of a weird vibe. Maybe slightly depressing? I can't find the right word. But it was not a party feel. And every bar had near ear splitting music. I like the party vibe. I like the music. But when you can't hear the person next to you, it's too loud. I didn't session with a single girl in those bars. I'm sure they are gold mines for some of you. But it wasn't my scene.

Santa Fe is, in a word, interesting. There are definitely some diamonds there. It has a dangerous yet thrilling feel. To say all shapes, sizes and types are available is an understatement. I was surprised that some of the most attractive girls I saw in Bogota were on the streets of SF. That said, a little foreshadowing. Walking the streets of SF you can just feel the target on your back. I'm a gringo. I always travel alone. I've done alot of travel. But here more than anywhere I've been, you can just feel the target on you. Interestingly, I did not have any problems in the heart of Santa Fe. But.

My incident: I'd consider myself a seasoned traveler. I have a fair amount of street smarts. I take reasonable precautions and accept that there is an inherent risk in how we operate. Well, I finally got got. Outside of Tequendama Suites, I got mugged. I mentioned that target on my back. In hindsight, I made a mistake or two. But I also feel like the odds are just stacked. A gringo walking alone there is just a matter of time. I'm a big dude. I remain alert to surroundings. One mistake was that I felt the area I was in, literally in the shadows of Tequendama Suites, was so busy that no one would be that bold. Walking past Itau, essentially across the street from the hotel, a group approached me and pulled a knife. They directed me just off the main street and robbed me. They got a very small amount of cash and my burner phone. They made me unlock the phone and took off. The four guys were all dressed very well, but to be honest, I never saw them until they had the knife on me. But they definitely would not have caught my attention based on their appearance. What struck me was that this busy area with seemingly 100 or more people was all of a sudden empty. There was NO ONE within a block. There was not alot of commotion. I chose not to scream and yell. But after it was over, it sure felt like everyone knew what was going on and they all scattered like rats. Rookie mistake: for convenience, I had a few apps that I should have kept off my burner. So that's the biggest loss. It's a pain in the ass tracking down digital footprints. Obviously, that soured me on Bogota. But, even if that didn't happen, I just didn't like the scene.

Lastly, a couple bright spots I would call out. Vicky's Spa. It is not a cheap option by any stretch. But all of the girls there are spectacular. I would recommend Sara if you like them wild. LOL.

I also hit the jackpot with a couple selections off of Mileroticos. Tequendama Suites has a good security process to the point they won't let the girl leave without you confirming all is well. So I took a chance there and was rewarded for it.

For those that love this city, enjoy it. Just not for me.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;2938816]After Cali, I headed to Bogota. Both for a dentist visit on Monday and Santa Fe. I like Bogota but don't fancy the weather. Having to pack a sweater in the summer seems ridiculous. Airbnb near Santa Fe is very convenient. Work on Transmilenio and Ave Caracas means even slower traffic than usual. Walked around Zona T -- Crowded with shoppers for a Sunday evening. I had to buy a jacket because of the cold. No skimpy dressed girls walking around here. Taxied to Santa Fe. Have never been too far south of Calle 22. Wow. Compared to the areas around the strip bars, South of Calle 22 is the Wild, Wild West. Perhaps a lower quality girl and certainly groups of Trans girls, but quite the spectacle. On two occasions I saw two different girls standing with their breasts fully exposed on the street corner. That's how fierce the competition is, I guess. I chatted up one young thing and as soon as I mentioned BBBJ she turned cold. Wouldn't budge. Moving on, you have to be bold to approach these girls standing in the darkened corners. I imagine pretty much any kind of action wouldn't be too hard to find with a bit of effort. And you will see more addicts and zombies. I think the biggest difference here on this side of Calle 22 is it's not as well lit, a bit more risky if you are alone, and the girls don't put in too much effort to look good. Pockets of people in small bars and on street corners having fun, which I took part in. Trans girls hustling with supply far outweighing demand. Just keep your wits about you and don't act too drunk. I found a girl I liked and moved to a love hotel. No pressure on time. 50 K standard rate. Average service, but friendly, not too crazy. BBBJ included, but I tipped her in appreciation. The next night I returned and found more people out than the night prior. The girl I met was freezing in her short shorts and thin top. But a cute, innocent thing (to my eyes.) I negotiated BBBJ in the room, which she did, if reluctantly. Bonus 50 K on top of standard 50 K. I could tell she was new to the scene. This is usually the case when the girl offers to pay for the room. Also by how timid she appeared in the streets with her friends. She claimed to be a Vennie only in town for the past 2 months. She initially didn't want to "chupar sin" because, she said, she didn't want to become pregnant. I asked her to repeat this. She said she needed to protect herself. I told her I understood. Then again said she didn't want to get pregnant. I asked how would that be possible via the mouth? She looked confused. The service was mediocre, and when we proceeded to FS, she had no problem with the proximity of my uncovered Johnson to her fertile garden. We used the "preservativo" of course, but I was not really sure if she understood the biology of the act. Again, I suspect she was new to the game here in Bogota. My two night venture in and around Santa Fe included stops at the three liveliest clubs -- Venus, Troya, and Atunes. Very few girls inside any of them. Like, maybe three to five? Not many men either. Venus was the most interesting in that two separate girls did a full strip lap dance on their clients at the table, getting very into it. Sexy as hell. But in general, Santa Fe proper -- where the bars are -- seemed very dead. Not many girls hanging around in the streets. Could be the time of year. I was there from 8 PM to 10 PM and felt safe everywhere. For an extra shot of adventure, I recommend heading over to the streets south of Calle 22 towards Calle 20 and Calle 19. But be careful -- "No Rules" goes both ways.[/QUOTE]Great report- I have been there a lot lately doing tours and on my own-.

All the clubs are good at some time or another.

When clubs are good there can be 15-25+ girls.

You did not mention Texas which away from the club row on KR 16 and Calle 23, Texas has some dirty fun girls when it is good some of those girls work the streets too -- and can have some good pussy during the day too as it has action early.

Similar to Venus and Atonis they have less regulation and you can tip the waiter to leave you alone They even will usually let me bring in my water or other beverage (they know me) -- The sessions can be for less than at Fiebre- Troya-Paisa although there usually is more hot girls in those.

Best time for clubs is evening-- say wed-Sat but can be good on other days.

Street girls are usually really good at rush hour be great and prime times too-- the South stroll dies early-- but there are always usually girls.

Just come back from Bogota and I saw only a 9/10; the rest were 5 or 6 according to my taste; I went to SF, 7 de Agosto, mezzanines, but did not find anything worth spending more than $20; I have many regulars of mine that went to spain where they can make more money.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2940759]When I arrived at the airport, I did not see a taxi booth, so I just headed outside. All the taxis quoted the same price; 60. Because it was late, the streets were empty. It should have taken 15-20 minutes to reach my hotel.

InDrive Was never able to get the app up and running.

Returning to the airport, my hotel called one of their van drivers and the cost was 40.[/QUOTE]Man you got to get that Indrive fixed. That is a 15,000 peso ride.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2940766]Compared to MDE, Bogota seems to have more laid back, service-oriented chicas. And price wise, it's not even close. MDE is easily twice as expensive per session. (That's apples to apples; of course there are ranges for each area you shop in).[/QUOTE]Which apples are you comparing? Casas? FB? SWs?

Very informative report, sorry to hear about the mugging but at least no damage to health and the burner not the main phone lost.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2940759]Welcome to Bogota!

Club: Lancaster Paris.

Ficha: 80 (ouch).

Sex: I was quoted 120,300, and 500 for an hour.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /11:30.

Comments: I thought this club was closed, but apparently not. All the chicas seemed independent and every one of them had different prices. This was the last club of my romp and I enjoyed the place.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a hell of a trip. Thanks for the super detailed writeup; I think your post will benefit a lot of people. I'm going to be Bogota in 3 weeks. I've never heard of Lancaster Paris being mentioned before. Could you share the address? I looked it up and only found a hotel on carrera 45.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2940766]I'll start by saying I know some love this city. And I'm certainly not trying to sway anyone from avoiding Bogota. I just have to say it's not for me. One problem certainly overshadowed my entire trip. That incident was bad and will certainly prevent me from considering a return. (More on that later).

I won't bore everyone with blow by blow details. So forgive the general nature of my report.

The city: traffic is insane. That said, it seems like just plan on going anywhere took 35 minutes. It can be close by or far away. Every trip seemed to take 35 minutes. I stayed near Santa Fe and frequented alot of casas to the north. In hindsight, I should have stayed up north. I stayed at Tequendama Suites. The room was nice and more than adequate, especially for the price point. The surrounding area was part of my problem. If you choose Tequendama, just know that you are in a busy area. Think about sleeping near Times Square. Horns amd sirens. It's a big city amd except for a few hours overnight, it's hectic. One other issue: uber drivers had a HELL of a time finding me. Most of them came down carrera 13 and missed their turn on carrera 10. Then they'd cancel. There's not really a parking area there, which also caused minor issues.

Girl quality: it's almost stupid to discuss this broadly. But I would say for my tastes, Medlellin has a vastly superior selection. In my opinion, Bogota is filled with good looking girl next door types. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's kind of my sweet spot. I'm not one that goes out and hunts 10's. But I do think the overall quality in looks is a step or two below MDE. As for service, in my experience the GND usually delivers better service. I really have no complaints about the service levels I had with any of my sessions. Compared to MDE, Bogota seems to have more laid back, service-oriented chicas. And price wise, it's not even close. [B] MDE is easily twice as expensive per session[/B] (That's apples to apples; of course there are ranges for each area you shop in). For what it's worth, Bogota seemed to have alot of good food options.

[/QUOTE]Biggest load of crap I've read here in the Bogota section. Comparing Apples to Apples Medellin is actually cheaper. MOST GIRLS in Santa Fe are asking 50 mil pesos now a days same as in Plaza Botero / La Veracruz in Medellin. However you often get 20 mins in the rooms instead of 30 min as is the case in Medellin. Also as noted by our good friend Sr Woodman, some of the Santa Fe girls are asking 60 k - 70 k now. So how is Medellin twice as expensive when comparing apples to apples??

And for the record I have walked up and down Cra 13 Everytime I go to Bogota from my hotel near Calle 22 up to the Davivienda and FarmaTodo pharmacy walking past Tequendama Suites all the time and I have never once been robbed even at 10 pm or 8 am or anytime. Usually there are armed soldiers patrolling the area. By the way across the street from Tequendama is a food cart selling excellent grilled arepas con queso. They're usually there in the morning by the intersection on Cra 13 and Calle 26 where the Yellow railings are.

I love Bogota with all my heart. Sorry you had a bad experience.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2940759]Welcome to Bogota! ......

So, the big question is: Was I in the right place? Please chime in because I am still confused!

Zona de Tolerancia and Street Girls:

Woodman took me there around 4 on a Wednesday afternoon. After walking around for 15 minutes, I came to the conclusion the Zona de Tolerancia was the biggest monger candy store I have ever seen! There were 100+ street girls available and their prices varied.

Final thoughts on Bogota:

It was a seeking putas and eating good food trip. I thought the city was quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner. If I lived there, I would learn other forms of transportation. The city was huge! Would I ever return to Bogota? YES, I felt like I only scratched the surface of the monger scene and restaurants. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!

Como siempre, Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto![/QUOTE]The place your waited for the room is called Tantra casa. You went to the Tantra bar which is next door. The bar does not have their own rooms so they get rooms from the casa. The chicas working at the Casa do have priority over the rooms compared to the chicas from the bar.

In addition to the newbie focussed trip report, here are a couple of additions-.

The area Chapinero has about 20 casas in a 3 km radius. There are even chains like r0 squilas that have 5 locations. Most barrios nearby have UTR spas and casas. The santa fe tours from woodman are not really needed. The zone is compact and is only a couple of streets. That being said, street crime is rampant and caution must be exercised while walking.

Recent reports include gringo targeted robberies near 93 up north so I cannot recommend a specific barrio as being safe. Your risk appetite should drive your decision in coming to Bogota.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2940990]Which apples are you comparing? Casas? FB? SWs?

Very informative report, sorry to hear about the mugging but at least no damage to health and the burner not the main phone lost.[/QUOTE]What I was trying to say is that casa prices for example in Bogota are much cheaprr than casa prices in Medellin. Though I'm not a fan of SWs. Chicas in Santa Fe are cheaper than the chicas in Centro of MDE and infinitely cheaper than a Lleras chica. I don't use FB anymore. I know I'm missing out on a nice stream of chicas but I'm too busy to invest the time it takes for what still has a high flake rate. So I can't really comment on FB prices. But I'd also add bar girls to the comp. In my experience, you would pay close to double for the same quality chica in MDE.

Big picture, and again, just my experience, if you are very price concious, Bogota beats MDE and it's not close. At the same time, I'm going to speak out of both sides of my mouth and say I prefer MDE. I value the quantity and quality. It feels like you have a better selection in MDE. Did the robbery taint my view? Probably. But even more than that robbery, I could not believe that feeling of constantly being a target in BOG. I'm not the flip-flop, jewelry wearing guy that we all know. I know many of us like to be away from gringos. There are certainly benefits but my overall feeling here is that the gringos stick out there and the plotting to get you is non-stop.

I'm really not trying to discourage anyone from going there. But I did not feel that same target on my back to the north of Bog. (Chapinero, etc.).

I spent a week last month and its the exact same story with me. 4 of my regulars out in Europe and Mexico.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2940949]Just come back from Bogota and I saw only a 9/10; the rest were 5 or 6 according to my taste; I went to SF, 7 de Agosto, mezzanines, but did not find anything worth spending more than $20; I have many regulars of mine that went to spain where they can make more money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2941122]What I was trying to say is that casa prices for example in Bogota are much cheaprr than casa prices in Medellin. [/QUOTE]Oh I see. What were the casa prices in Bogota?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2941122]I could not believe that feeling of constantly being a target in BOG. I'm not the flip-flop, jewelry wearing guy that we all know. I know many of us like to be away from gringos. There are certainly benefits but my overall feeling here is that the gringos stick out there and the plotting to get you is non-stop.

I'm really not trying to discourage anyone from going there. But I did not feel that same target on my back to the north of Bog. (Chapinero, etc.).[/QUOTE]Not trying to discount your experience, but I have walked those same streets all times of day and night over 100 times. I have never felt I was some type of target. And remember I have posted many pictures from those same areas in the middle of the night using my top of the line Samsung. Maybe god protects old people and fools and I am getting double coverage.

P.S. Foreigners stick out everywhere no matter how you feel. If thieves were waiting on foreigners in the streets of Bogota, then they would starve to death.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2941114]The place your waited for the room is called Tantra casa. You went to the Tantra bar which is next door. The bar does not have their own rooms so they get rooms from the casa. The chicas working at the Casa do have priority over the rooms compared to the chicas from the bar.

In addition to the newbie focussed trip report, here are a couple of additions-.

The area Chapinero has about 20 casas in a 3 km radius. There are even chains like r0 squilas that have 5 locations. Most barrios nearby have UTR spas and casas. The santa fe tours from woodman are not really needed. The zone is compact and is only a couple of streets. That being said, street crime is rampant and caution must be exercised while walking.

Recent reports include gringo targeted robberies near 93 up north so I cannot recommend a specific barrio as being safe. Your risk appetite should drive your decision in coming to Bogota.[/QUOTE]Hello everyone, does anyone know the telescopic baton and the pepper spray are legal in Colombia? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2941131]I spent a week last month and its the exact same story with me. 4 of my regulars out in Europe and Mexico.[/QUOTE]I've seen a few of my old favorites going to Europe specifically Spain. Seems some syndicate is in Colombia to recruit Latinas in Bogota to go to Spain. Almost always it's for 3 months, probably because of visa requirements, not sure but its very suspicious most go for 3 months. In any case not a good thing for guys like me who have had many many great times with the girls in Bogota. And now to see them go to Spain for 3 months at a time. Not good for mongers in Bogota.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2941243]I've seen a few of my old favorites going to Europe specifically Spain. Seems some syndicate is in Colombia to recruit Latinas in Bogota to go to Spain. Almost always it's for 3 months, probably because of visa requirements, not sure but its very suspicious most go for 3 months. In any case not a good thing for guys like me who have had many many great times with the girls in Bogota. And now to see them go to Spain for 3 months at a time. Not good for mongers in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Yes; I wonder if it's still worth it to go to Colombia; maybe a ticket to Barcelona would be better invested.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2941406]Yes; I wonder if it's still worth it to go to Colombia; maybe a ticket to Barcelona would be better invested.[/QUOTE]Just back from Madrid. Club Vive had some beautiful Colombianas. Cost a bit more than in Colombia.

I had fun with a few of them. Most stay longer than 3 months.
Nothing suspicious about it. They’re going to make lots more money for themselves.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2941406]Yes; I wonder if it's still worth it to go to Colombia; maybe a ticket to Barcelona would be better invested.[/QUOTE]Then I'm pretty sure the price would be higher in Spain. Just like years ago Colombianas would visit CR to get more for services. Always in the Del Rey because the gringos would pay the girls more then the Colombians would pay them in Colombia. Back then there weren't a whole lot of Gringos in Bogota like there is now. So they would go the CR.

I'm curious if my brothers on here have had success with regular women in the store the street etc. I always loved landing a non pro. I met a woman on the beach in Rio, selling bikinis, mid 30's very hot and beautiful woman after 10 minutes of bullshit, made a date for that night and WOW a great night, it wasn't necessary to go the Help that night. Jajaj met a very hot waitress in Pizza alley in Miraflores. A waitress in CR traveling over Cerro de la Muerte on my way to my girls house in San Isidro. I've had lots of no's and not interested but remember most women need help in Latin America and if you have any game, dress trendy and you don't look like Quasimodo you will have success, more crash and burns but its always worth a try and the best thing about it you almost always have a long term friend to call on in the future. Get out of the Gulch Santa Fe and casas, start talking to women in the street. And report back. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2941556]I'm curious if my brothers on here have had success with regular women in the store the street etc. I always loved landing a non pro. I've had lots of no's and not interested but remember most women need help in Latin America and if you have any game, dress trendy [/QUOTE]Yes. But it has never been about anyone needing any "help". I think that is what ruined the game in the first place; foreigners trying to meet chicks by offering "help". Save the "help" for the hookers that require being paid. Chick from Cupid in Brazil that I talk to said she almost did not answer me because she is tired of every foreigner that contacts her offering money for something.

I always thought that meeting chicks was something normal, but from reading this hooker board, apparently some guys see it as spectacular. What did you guys do as teenagers? We used to go to Six Flags or the mall and have contests to see who could get the most phone numbers. 40 years later, nothing has changed. See a chick I like and talk to her to see if she wants to get to know each other. It is not far-fetched, brain surgery, or rocket science.

As a guy you should be used to hearing no. It is nothing new. You are going to be turned down way more times than you have success. Just last week I met two chicks from online here here Thailand that did not like me. It was obvious because they would not look me in the face. Then after asking them, they did not want to admit I was not for them. But I am not about to waste my time with someone who does not want me. I told them goodbye and good luck. Everybody is not for everybody. There is a pot for every lid. You are going to run into a hella lot of pots that do not fit. Do not take it personally. Just go to the next one.

Then today or yesterday I was talking to another chick online asking when we will meet. She said so soon? I said hell yes. I am not about to waste 3 weeks of my life talking to you just to realize when we meet that we do not like each other.

And I do not dress any trendy. I will just have on the regular jeans and t-shirt like anybody else who is walking around the city and not on their job.

For me also, it is not about needing help. I'm in Bogota to fuck girls that I find cute. But I don't have time for the "game" while on these short vacations. My days are full exploring Bogota and the surrounding areas, sightseeing, shopping, walking around. I don't desire a girl to be by my side to enjoy this. At night I want to try some good food and then go fuck 1 or 2 girls. The thought of wasting energy screening girls online, flirting at bars, etc doesn't appeal to me. If I were there longer I probably would "play the game" but for 3-5 day trips my time is too short to fuck around doing the single scene. So yeah. Santa Fe and the casas are the place to be for me. I see a girl I like, I talk to her, I pay an Amount that's reasonable and within a few minutes I've got my balls in her mouth while I'm 69'ing her tight pussy and finishing with a load covering her face and I'm back out onto the next one. Back at home completely different story.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2941556]I'm curious if my brothers on here have had success with regular women in the store the street etc. Get out of the Gulch Santa Fe and casas, start talking to women in the street. And report back. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2941406]Yes; I wonder if it's still worth it to go to Colombia; maybe a ticket to Barcelona would be better invested.[/QUOTE]Of course it's worth it. The few girls going to Europe will not change things- THere are SuperHot Venezolanas -- so there is that.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2940766]--xxxxx Not the whole report-- just commenting on a few things xxxx

The city: traffic is insane. That said, it seems like just plan on going anywhere took 35 minutes. It can be close by or far away. Every trip seemed to take 35 minutes. I stayed near Santa Fe and frequented alot of casas to the north. In hindsight, I should have stayed up north. I stayed at Tequendama Suites. The room was nice and more than adequate, especially for the price point. The surrounding area was part of my problem. If you choose Tequendama, just know that you are in a busy area. Think about sleeping near Times Square. Horns amd sirens. It's a big city amd except for a few hours overnight, it's hectic. One other issue: uber drivers had a HELL of a time finding me. Most of them came down carrera 13 and missed their turn on carrera 10. Then they'd cancel. There's not really a parking area there, which also caused minor issues.

Santa Fe is, in a word, interesting. There are definitely some diamonds there. It has a dangerous yet thrilling feel. To say all shapes, sizes and types are available is an understatement. I was surprised that some of the most attractive girls I saw in Bogota were on the streets of SF. That said, a little foreshadowing. Walking the streets of SF you can just feel the target on your back. I'm a gringo. I always travel alone. I've done alot of travel. But here more than anywhere I've been, you can just feel the target on you. Interestingly, I did not have any problems in the heart of Santa Fe. But.

My incident: I'd consider myself a seasoned traveler. I have a fair amount of street smarts. I take reasonable precautions and accept that there is an inherent risk in how we operate. Well, I finally got got. Outside of Tequendama Suites, I got mugged. I mentioned that target on my back. In hindsight, I made a mistake or two. But I also feel like the odds are just stacked. A gringo walking alone there is just a matter of time. I'm a big dude. I remain alert to surroundings. One mistake was that I felt the area I was in, literally in the shadows of Tequendama Suites, was so busy that no one would be that bold. Walking past Itau, essentially across the street from the hotel, a group approached me and pulled a knife. They directed me just off the main street and robbed me. They got a very small amount of cash and my burner phone. They made me unlock the phone and took off. The four guys were all dressed very well, but to be honest, I never saw them until they had the knife on me. But they definitely would not have caught my attention based on their appearance. What struck me was that this busy area with seemingly 100 or more people was all of a sudden empty. There was NO ONE within a block. There was not alot of commotion. I chose not to scream and yell. But after it was over, it sure felt like everyone knew what was going on and they all scattered like rats. Rookie mistake: for convenience, I had a few apps that I should have kept off my burner. So that's the biggest loss. It's a pain in the ass tracking down digital footprints. Obviously, that soured me on Bogota. But, even if that didn't happen, I just didn't like the scene.

Lastly, a couple bright spots I would call out. Vicky's Spa. It is not a cheap option by any stretch. But all of the girls there are spectacular. I would recommend Sara if you like them wild. LOL.

I also hit the jackpot with a couple selections off of Mileroticos. Tequendama Suites has a good security process to the point they won't let the girl leave without you confirming all is well. So I took a chance there and was rewarded for it.

For those that love this city, enjoy it. Just not for me.[/QUOTE]About the traffic, at rushhour it is prety bad-- if you can learn how to use Transmilenio you can get around quicker at the high traffic times as the buses have their own lanes-- the card is 8 mil and about 3 mil a ride. But if I do not have my card on me I will ask someone entering to use there card for the 3 mil-- never had a problem-.

Sorry too hear about your robbery which is kinda wierd that would happen over there as there is so much security like armed soldiers-- But shit happens I guess. I have been in that area 1000's of times and have never had a problem except when some biker tried to snatch my phone as I was sitting in the plaza in front of Teqendama hotel.

Up north is where they hunt gringos.

You really have to watch out more up north as that is where they really hunt gringos.

MDE has better looking girls and better casas. BOG has better clubs and more girls in general. Generally I would say Bogota is cheaper on average, but not by a huge margin. Depends on your mongering style too. Casas are a huge disappointment in Bogota in my opinion. Traffic is a problem that's only going to get worse in BOG, you want to stay near the action or have the action come to you. You're time is too valuable on vacation. Sorry to hear about your mugging, sometimes you're just unlucky, glad they didn't get too much. Its one of those risks that come with travelling to 2nd world countries. I always try to blend in as much as possible where ever it is that I go.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2940766]I'll start by saying I know some love this city. And I'm certainly not trying to sway anyone from avoiding Bogota. I just have to say it's not for me. One problem certainly overshadowed my entire trip. That incident was bad and will certainly prevent me from considering a return. (More on that later).

I won't bore everyone with blow by blow details. So forgive the general nature of my report.

The city: traffic is insane. That said, it seems like just plan on going anywhere took 35 minutes. It can be close by or far away. Every trip seemed to take 35 minutes. I stayed near Santa Fe and frequented alot of casas to the north. In hindsight, I should have stayed up north. I stayed at Tequendama Suites. The room was nice and more than adequate, especially for the price point. The surrounding area was part of my problem. If you choose Tequendama, just know that you are in a busy area. Think about sleeping near Times Square. Horns amd sirens. It's a big city amd except for a few hours overnight, it's hectic. One other issue: uber drivers had a HELL of a time finding me. Most of them came down carrera 13 and missed their turn on carrera 10. Then they'd cancel. There's not really a parking area there, which also caused minor issues.

Girl quality: it's almost stupid to discuss this broadly. But I would say for my tastes, Medlellin has a vastly superior selection. In my opinion, Bogota is filled with good looking girl next door types. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's kind of my sweet spot. I'm not one that goes out and hunts 10's. But I do think the overall quality in looks is a step or two below MDE. As for service, in my experience the GND usually delivers better service. I really have no complaints about the service levels I had with any of my sessions. Compared to MDE, Bogota seems to have more laid back, service-oriented chicas. And price wise, it's not even close. MDE is easily twice as expensive per session. (That's apples to apples; of course there are ranges for each area you shop in). For what it's worth, Bogota seemed to have alot of good food options.

Santa Fe and SF bars: total let down. I arrived on Thursday so it wasn't the days of thr week. Honestly, they were a waste of time. In any of the bars, there were between 5 and 20 girls. If you are a guy who wants to walk in and choose the girl, go upstairs and knock one out, these places are adequate. I typically like to have a drink or two, party a little bit. Well, that just never happened. It had kind of a weird vibe. Maybe slightly depressing? I can't find the right word. But it was not a party feel. And every bar had near ear splitting music. I like the party vibe. I like the music. But when you can't hear the person next to you, it's too loud. I didn't session with a single girl in those bars. I'm sure they are gold mines for some of you. But it wasn't my scene.

Santa Fe is, in a word, interesting. There are definitely some diamonds there. It has a dangerous yet thrilling feel. To say all shapes, sizes and types are available is an understatement. I was surprised that some of the most attractive girls I saw in Bogota were on the streets of SF. That said, a little foreshadowing. Walking the streets of SF you can just feel the target on your back. I'm a gringo. I always travel alone. I've done alot of travel. But here more than anywhere I've been, you can just feel the target on you. Interestingly, I did not have any problems in the heart of Santa Fe. But.

My incident: I'd consider myself a seasoned traveler. I have a fair amount of street smarts. I take reasonable precautions and accept that there is an inherent risk in how we operate. Well, I finally got got. Outside of Tequendama Suites, I got mugged. I mentioned that target on my back. In hindsight, I made a mistake or two. But I also feel like the odds are just stacked. A gringo walking alone there is just a matter of time. I'm a big dude. I remain alert to surroundings. One mistake was that I felt the area I was in, literally in the shadows of Tequendama Suites, was so busy that no one would be that bold. Walking past Itau, essentially across the street from the hotel, a group approached me and pulled a knife. They directed me just off the main street and robbed me. They got a very small amount of cash and my burner phone. They made me unlock the phone and took off. The four guys were all dressed very well, but to be honest, I never saw them until they had the knife on me. But they definitely would not have caught my attention based on their appearance. What struck me was that this busy area with seemingly 100 or more people was all of a sudden empty. There was NO ONE within a block. There was not alot of commotion. I chose not to scream and yell. But after it was over, it sure felt like everyone knew what was going on and they all scattered like rats. Rookie mistake: for convenience, I had a few apps that I should have kept off my burner. So that's the biggest loss. It's a pain in the ass tracking down digital footprints. Obviously, that soured me on Bogota. But, even if that didn't happen, I just didn't like the scene.

Lastly, a couple bright spots I would call out. Vicky's Spa. It is not a cheap option by any stretch. But all of the girls there are spectacular. I would recommend Sara if you like them wild. LOL.

I also hit the jackpot with a couple selections off of Mileroticos. Tequendama Suites has a good security process to the point they won't let the girl leave without you confirming all is well. So I took a chance there and was rewarded for it.

For those that love this city, enjoy it. Just not for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Igor54;2940740]Hello everyone. I have a question. Could anyone say anything about this place. "Carulla Rosales". I often see their ads on the photoprepagos, but there is no address. You can see it on the screenshot. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure that's a supermarket bro. Would be surprised if they were adverstising on photoprepagos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941581]Yes. But it has never been about anyone needing any "help". I think that is what ruined the game in the first place; foreigners trying to meet chicks by offering "help". Save the "help" for the hookers that require being paid. Chick from Cupid in Brazil that I talk to said she almost did not answer me because she is tired of every foreigner that contacts her offering money for something.

I always thought that meeting chicks was something normal, but from reading this hooker board, apparently some guys see it as spectacular. What did you guys do as teenagers? We used to go to Six Flags or the mall and have contests to see who could get the most phone numbers. 40 years later, nothing has changed. See a chick I like and talk to her to see if she wants to get to know each other. It is not far-fetched, brain surgery, or rocket science.

As a guy you should be used to hearing no. It is nothing new. You are going to be turned down way more times than you have success. Just last week I met two chicks from online here here Thailand that did not like me. It was obvious because they would not look me in the face. Then after asking them, they did not want to admit I was not for them. But I am not about to waste my time with someone who does not want me. I told them goodbye and good luck. Everybody is not for everybody. There is a pot for every lid. You are going to run into a hella lot of pots that do not fit. Do not take it personally. Just go to the next one.

Then today or yesterday I was talking to another chick online asking when we will meet. She said so soon? I said hell yes. I am not about to waste 3 weeks of my life talking to you just to realize when we meet that we do not like each other.

And I do not dress any trendy. I will just have on the regular jeans and t-shirt like anybody else who is walking around the city and not on their job.[/QUOTE]ED, I never said I offered help. I said they all NEED help and that is the hook. I let them come to their own conclusions that meeting a gringo could help them out in the process.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2940766]I'll start by saying I know some love this city. And I'm certainly not trying to sway anyone from avoiding Bogota. I just have to say it's not for me. One problem certainly overshadowed my entire trip. That incident was bad and will certainly prevent me from considering a return. (More on that later).

I won't bore everyone with blow by blow details. So forgive the general nature of my report.

The city: traffic is insane. That said, it seems like just plan on going anywhere took 35 minutes. It can be close by or far away. Every trip seemed to take 35 minutes. I stayed near Santa Fe and frequented alot of casas to the north. In hindsight, I should have stayed up north. I stayed at Tequendama Suites. The room was nice and more than adequate, especially for the price point. The surrounding area was part of my problem. If you choose Tequendama, just know that you are in a busy area. Think about sleeping near Times Square. Horns amd sirens. It's a big city amd except for a few hours overnight, it's hectic. One other issue: uber drivers had a HELL of a time finding me. Most of them came down carrera 13 and missed their turn on carrera 10. Then they'd cancel. There's not really a parking area there, which also caused minor issues.

Girl quality: it's almost stupid to discuss this broadly. But I would say for my tastes, Medlellin has a vastly superior selection. In my opinion, Bogota is filled with good looking girl next door types. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's kind of my sweet spot. I'm not one that goes out and hunts 10's. But I do think the overall quality in looks is a step or two below MDE. As for service, in my experience the GND usually delivers better service. I really have no complaints about the service levels I had with any of my sessions. Compared to MDE, Bogota seems to have more laid back, service-oriented chicas. And price wise, it's not even close. MDE is easily twice as expensive per session. (That's apples to apples; of course there are ranges for each area you shop in). For what it's worth, Bogota seemed to have alot of good food options.

Santa Fe and SF bars: total let down. I arrived on Thursday so it wasn't the days of thr week. Honestly, they were a waste of time. In any of the bars, there were between 5 and 20 girls. If you are a guy who wants to walk in and choose the girl, go upstairs and knock one out, these places are adequate. I typically like to have a drink or two, party a little bit. Well, that just never happened. It had kind of a weird vibe. Maybe slightly depressing? I can't find the right word. But it was not a party feel. And every bar had near ear splitting music. I like the party vibe. I like the music. But when you can't hear the person next to you, it's too loud. I didn't session with a single girl in those bars. I'm sure they are gold mines for some of you. But it wasn't my scene.

Santa Fe is, in a word, interesting. There are definitely some diamonds there. It has a dangerous yet thrilling feel. To say all shapes, sizes and types are available is an understatement. I was surprised that some of the most attractive girls I saw in Bogota were on the streets of SF. That said, a little foreshadowing. Walking the streets of SF you can just feel the target on your back. I'm a gringo. I always travel alone. I've done alot of travel. But here more than anywhere I've been, you can just feel the target on you. Interestingly, I did not have any problems in the heart of Santa Fe. But.

My incident: I'd consider myself a seasoned traveler. I have a fair amount of street smarts. I take reasonable precautions and accept that there is an inherent risk in how we operate. Well, I finally got got. Outside of Tequendama Suites, I got mugged. I mentioned that target on my back. In hindsight, I made a mistake or two. But I also feel like the odds are just stacked. A gringo walking alone there is just a matter of time. I'm a big dude. I remain alert to surroundings. One mistake was that I felt the area I was in, literally in the shadows of Tequendama Suites, was so busy that no one would be that bold. Walking past Itau, essentially across the street from the hotel, a group approached me and pulled a knife. They directed me just off the main street and robbed me. They got a very small amount of cash and my burner phone. They made me unlock the phone and took off. The four guys were all dressed very well, but to be honest, I never saw them until they had the knife on me. But they definitely would not have caught my attention based on their appearance. What struck me was that this busy area with seemingly 100 or more people was all of a sudden empty. There was NO ONE within a block. There was not alot of commotion. I chose not to scream and yell. But after it was over, it sure felt like everyone knew what was going on and they all scattered like rats. Rookie mistake: for convenience, I had a few apps that I should have kept off my burner. So that's the biggest loss. It's a pain in the ass tracking down digital footprints. Obviously, that soured me on Bogota. But, even if that didn't happen, I just didn't like the scene.

Lastly, a couple bright spots I would call out. Vicky's Spa. It is not a cheap option by any stretch. But all of the girls there are spectacular. I would recommend Sara if you like them wild. LOL.

I also hit the jackpot with a couple selections off of Mileroticos. Tequendama Suites has a good security process to the point they won't let the girl leave without you confirming all is well. So I took a chance there and was rewarded for it.

For those that love this city, enjoy it. Just not for me.[/QUOTE]First of all, sorry for that, we all know that it can happen anywhere anytime to us in this hobby. But you can stack the odds in your favor, by knowing where your staying. 2 things jump out at me that area is not that safe, its only a short walk from the famous El Bronx that was broken up by a police raid a few years back and all that did was scatter the vermen into nearby areas. ALSO never and I mean NEVER think people around has anything to do with your safety. Andino Mall is the most exclusive mall in Bogota and in the best of areas and 2 years or so ago a man was shot right outside the mall coming out of a bank, at LUNCH time with hundreds of people around. Also it's very possible the people in the hotel could have tipped off the robbers to you location. For the last 10 years, I stay only in the north and very near Parque 93 Chico Norte one of the best areas and I'm always careful, I never walk the 3 blocks to my hotel after dark, always taxi or Uber. And remember Bogotanas are well known for not getting involved!! They may assist you after the threat has gone but never intervene on your behalf during the mugging. . It wasn't Bogota, it could happen in Medellin, Santander, Cali it doesn't matter. Bogota has always had their share of robbers but more so after Covid and the influx of some very very dangerous Venezuela gangs. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2940740]Hello everyone. I have a question. Could anyone say anything about this place. "Carulla Rosales". I often see their ads on the photoprepagos, but there is no address. You can see it on the screenshot. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The member who answered you is correct, Carulla is one of the upscale supermercadosos in Bogota as is the Rosales residential section of the city. Sounds like that is a landmark for the casa your looking for.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2941728]The member who answered you is correct, Carulla is one of the upscale supermercadosos in Bogota as is the Rosales residential section of the city. Sounds like that is a landmark for the casa your looking for.[/QUOTE]Correct and there is no casas there. I stay in a street nearby the carrula Rosales when I m in Bogota.

Does anyone here have used their service recently and still have the exclusively access to look at the models faces unblurred? I went to Bogota and used the service 4 months ago so I won't have the access anymore. Text them on the site and was told have to be recent service within the last 2 months. I will be in Bogota next week just want to look at the catalog before I come down. Hook the brother up if you have it in private message. Would greatly appreciate!

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2940759]Welcome to Bogota!

Welcome to the land of putas, arepas, and thin air! The nicer parts of the city, like La Candelaria and Zona Rosa were quite clean. But, I found some other areas were a bit trashy and riddled with graffiti. Having said that, I felt safe wherever I went. Because of the altitude, it was pleasant during the day, but it got chilly in the evenings. Because I am old and already walk slow, I did not have any issues with the altitude.

According to Wikipedia, "The city is located in the center of Colombia, on a high plateau known as the Bogota savanna, part of the Altiplano Cundiboyacense located in the Eastern Cordillera of the Andes. Bogota is the third-highest capital in South America after Quito and La Paz at an average of 2,640 meters (8,660 ft) above sea level. Subdivided into 20 localities, Bogota has an area of 1,587 square kilometers (613 square miles) and a cool climate that is constant through the year.[/QUOTE]Great Report-- I will have to check out some of these places.

An address would be nice?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2940766]I'll start by saying I know some love this city. And I'm certainly not trying to sway anyone from avoiding Bogota. I just have to say it's not for me. One problem certainly overshadowed my entire trip. That incident was bad and will certainly prevent me from considering a return. (More on that later).

I won't bore everyone with blow by blow details. So forgive the general nature of my report.

The city: traffic is insane. That said, it seems like just plan on going anywhere took 35 minutes. It can be close by or far away. Every trip seemed to take 35 minutes. I stayed near Santa Fe and frequented alot of casas to the north. In hindsight, I should have stayed up north. I stayed at Tequendama Suites. The room was nice and more than adequate, especially for the price point. The surrounding area was part of my problem. If you choose Tequendama, just know that you are in a busy area. Think about sleeping near Times Square. Horns amd sirens. It's a big city amd except for a few hours overnight, it's hectic. One other issue: uber drivers had a HELL of a time finding me. Most of them came down carrera 13 and missed their turn on carrera 10. Then they'd cancel. There's not really a parking area there, which also caused minor issues.

Girl quality: it's almost stupid to discuss this broadly. But I would say for my tastes, Medlellin has a vastly superior selection. In my opinion, Bogota is filled with good looking girl next door types. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's kind of my sweet spot. I'm not one that goes out and hunts 10's. But I do think the overall quality in looks is a step or two below MDE. As for service, in my experience the GND usually delivers better service. I really have no complaints about the service levels I had with any of my sessions. Compared to MDE, Bogota seems to have more laid back, service-oriented chicas. And price wise, it's not even close. MDE is easily twice as expensive per session. (That's apples to apples; of course there are ranges for each area you shop in). For what it's worth, Bogota seemed to have alot of good food options.

Santa Fe and SF bars: total let down. I arrived on Thursday so it wasn't the days of thr week. Honestly, they were a waste of time. In any of the bars, there were between 5 and 20 girls. If you are a guy who wants to walk in and choose the girl, go upstairs and knock one out, these places are adequate. I typically like to have a drink or two, party a little bit. Well, that just never happened. It had kind of a weird vibe. Maybe slightly depressing? I can't find the right word. But it was not a party feel. And every bar had near ear splitting music. I like the party vibe. I like the music. But when you can't hear the person next to you, it's too loud. I didn't session with a single girl in those bars. I'm sure they are gold mines for some of you. But it wasn't my scene.

Santa Fe is, in a word, interesting. There are definitely some diamonds there. It has a dangerous yet thrilling feel. To say all shapes, sizes and types are available is an understatement. I was surprised that some of the most attractive girls I saw in Bogota were on the streets of SF. That said, a little foreshadowing. Walking the streets of SF you can just feel the target on your back. I'm a gringo. I always travel alone. I've done alot of travel. But here more than anywhere I've been, you can just feel the target on you. Interestingly, I did not have any problems in the heart of Santa Fe. But.

My incident: I'd consider myself a seasoned traveler. I have a fair amount of street smarts. I take reasonable precautions and accept that there is an inherent risk in how we operate. Well, I finally got got. Outside of Tequendama Suites, I got mugged. I mentioned that target on my back. In hindsight, I made a mistake or two. But I also feel like the odds are just stacked. A gringo walking alone there is just a matter of time. I'm a big dude. I remain alert to surroundings. One mistake was that I felt the area I was in, literally in the shadows of Tequendama Suites, was so busy that no one would be that bold. Walking past Itau, essentially across the street from the hotel, a group approached me and pulled a knife. They directed me just off the main street and robbed me. They got a very small amount of cash and my burner phone. They made me unlock the phone and took off. The four guys were all dressed very well, but to be honest, I never saw them until they had the knife on me. But they definitely would not have caught my attention based on their appearance. What struck me was that this busy area with seemingly 100 or more people was all of a sudden empty. There was NO ONE within a block. There was not alot of commotion. I chose not to scream and yell. But after it was over, it sure felt like everyone knew what was going on and they all scattered like rats. Rookie mistake: for convenience, I had a few apps that I should have kept off my burner. So that's the biggest loss. It's a pain in the ass tracking down digital footprints. Obviously, that soured me on Bogota. But, even if that didn't happen, I just didn't like the scene.

Lastly, a couple bright spots I would call out. Vicky's Spa. It is not a cheap option by any stretch. But all of the girls there are spectacular. I would recommend Sara if you like them wild. LOL.

I also hit the jackpot with a couple selections off of Mileroticos. Tequendama Suites has a good security process to the point they won't let the girl leave without you confirming all is well. So I took a chance there and was rewarded for it.

For those that love this city, enjoy it. Just not for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2942723]An address would be nice?[/QUOTE]Found this from another post back in November:

"Vicky's spa is located at Cra. 49 be #103 be-78 (residential casa). ".

I'm a little weird, in that I like older women. Like 40-60. I know everyone here is looking for spinners and young ladies, but I have always had *great* experiences with older providers. Closer to GFEs, they're more willing to do more things, and that's been true for me in Europe and in Bangkok. So I'm wondering where I might maybe find women like that. Any advice is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Sept1962;2943128]I'm a little weird, in that I like older women. Like 40-60. I know everyone here is looking for spinners and young ladies, but I have always had *great* experiences with older providers. Closer to GFEs, they're more willing to do more things, and that's been true for me in Europe and in Bangkok. So I'm wondering where I might maybe find women like that. Any advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]La capuchina is one place by KR 13 and Calle 18 --BTW I am OCT62-- What a drag it is getting older.

Bogota Vs Mexico City.

I'm planning on doing an extended stay in Bogota Colombia or Mexico City for at least half a year. Colombia seems to have better reports compared to CDMX. Funny enough most of the good CDMX lays seem to come from Colombianas in Mexico.

My priorities are:

- Agencies or Massage Parlors over Street Walkers or Clubs.

- I don't like drinking, loud music or walking the streets.

- BBFS.

- I don't care about food or other things to do. And I can live with less safety.

- I'm open to Seeking Arrangements, though I've never done it.

Questions:

1) Is there any reason to choose CDMX over Bogota, given the above goals?

2) Does Bogota have better or worse agency options than CDMX?

3) Does Bogota have better or worse massage parlor options than CDMX?

4) How common is BBFS in Bogota vs Mexico City?

5) How do Bogota women compare to CDMX women in beauty and pleasantness?

[QUOTE=Sept1962;2943128]I'm a little weird, in that I like older women. Like 40-60. I know everyone here is looking for spinners and young ladies, but I have always had *great* experiences with older providers. Closer to GFEs, they're more willing to do more things, and that's been true for me in Europe and in Bangkok. So I'm wondering where I might maybe find women like that. Any advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]You can find them very old, I would say many in their 50's 60's I'm willing to bet even a few in their 70's.

Walk around in the afternoon, you will see them some of them in Victorias Secret outfits in high heels and crotchless panties.

Whatever trips your trigger brotha, most guys like something "weird" now and again, but I'm guessing most are too timid to.

Admit it.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2942494]Great Report-- I will have to check out some of these places.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the kind words.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2941114]The place your waited for the room is called Tantra casa. You went to the Tantra bar which is next door. The bar does not have their own rooms so they get rooms from the casa. The chicas working at the Casa do have priority over the rooms compared to the chicas from the bar.[/QUOTE]Thank you for clearing up that issue.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2940970]Man you got to get that Indrive fixed. That is a 15,000 peso ride.[/QUOTE]I will keep trying; thanks!

Does anyone know where the best ATMs with good rates and large maximum cash withdrawals are located.

And is a there a decent casa cambio at the airport?

[QUOTE=Mastov;2943399]Bogota Vs Mexico City.

I'm planning on doing an extended stay in Bogota Colombia or Mexico City for at least half a year. Colombia seems to have better reports compared to CDMX. Funny enough most of the good CDMX lays seem to come from Colombianas in Mexico.

My priorities are:

- Agencies or Massage Parlors over Street Walkers or Clubs.

- I don't like drinking, loud music or walking the streets.

- BBFS.

- I don't care about food or other things to do. And I can live with less safety.

- I'm open to Seeking Arrangements, though I've never done it.

Questions:

1) Is there any reason to choose CDMX over Bogota, given the above goals?

Absolutely not. I lived in both places. CDMX is a great city to live in, but in terms of pay for play, CDMX is terrible. After living in colombia for half a year, and then going to CDMX, I did not find the women super attractive and nowhere near the quality of colombia.

2) Does Bogota have better or worse agency options than CDMX? Significantly better agencies. The agencies in CDMX are awful in my opinion. Lots of bait and switch, and you will pay a hefty penny for top tier ladies.

3) Does Bogota have better or worse massage parlor options than CDMX? Significantly better in Bogota. CDMX is not very good, do not recommend it for massage parlors.

4) How common is BBFS in Bogota vs Mexico City? CDMX is great for food, and is a very cool city. If you are looking for hot women and BBFS, i would not choose CDMX

5) How do Bogota women compare to CDMX women in beauty and pleasantness?[/QUOTE]The women who are originally from Bogota, are more attractive. However, Bogota also has a significant number of women from other areas of Colombia who are super hot. Also hot Venezuelans. For what you are looking for, you will be very disappointed with CDMX. I do not recommend based on the criteria you laid out.

I'm back in Bogota for my 3rd trip here. My first trip was back in Sep 2023 for 10 days and my second trip was in Dec 2023 again for 10 days. For both of those trips I stayed at the Tequendama Hotel. I arrived for this most recent trip this past Friday Sep 6th. As usual the flights from where I'm coming in the USA have my landing at like 5 am Bogota time. The trek through customs was pretty quick. I filled out my MIG even though this trip United didn't force me to like previous trips, but I did it anyways just to be sure.

This trip I am staying at the Hotel San Francisco de Asis for the first time as the rates for the Tequendama Hotel was like double the nightly rate and it was about 25% higher than what I paid my past two trips. Since I'm staying 18 nights this trip figure I should save a few bucks LOL not to mention I did want to check out this hotel. I had booked my hotel for Sep 5th since I certainly didn't want to wait until 3 pm to check-in. Nobody else was checking in when I arrived so that went pretty simple. The desk people spoke limited English and I don't speak Spanish although I know a super small bit. Everything went fine and I was checked in pretty quickly.

For those who may want to know the room is ok but not ideal especially if you're a bigger guy. The bathroom is small and the toilet is positioned pretty close to the sink and the shower has a sliding glass door that is a bit small too not to mention the toilet paper dispenser which is like the ones you see in public bathrooms in the USA so it's pretty big is right there kind of blocking the entry way into the small shower. The shower head is coming out of the ceiling too which I'm not a fan of. As per most Bogota hotels a / see isn't really a thing, but there is one window you can open. Although the noise from the street below can become decently loud if you open the window. With the windows closed though most of the traffic noise isn't an issue. At least on the higher floors. The bed is a bit harder than I'd like and I like a hard mattress. There is a desk and desk chair in the room if you need someplace to setup shop to work from. The internet has been pretty decent too as I've watched some YouTube videos, streamed some anime on Crunchyroll, and streamed some podcast and music. There is a wall mounted flat screen tv in the room with a decent channel selection too. They do have a daily breakfast, but I've not partaken so I can't really say if it's decent or not. There are ample little convenient stores, drug stores, and restaurants around if you want to stay in the area mostly. Also most of the people staying at this hotel tends to be locals although I've seen a few whom appear to be non-local like this American / European looking white couple.

Anyways after checking in I went to my room and crashed for a few hours since I was mostly away on the plane ride down. After waking up I hit up the OXXO store that's 1 block away on the opposite side of the carrera 10 to get some bottled water and a few snacks. Later Friday evening around 6:30 to 7 pm I walked over to the zona to get into some action. This first night I ended up just walking around the zona stopping at some of the little beer bars having a drink and checking out nearby girls. This lasted a few hours before I eventually decided to scoop up a freelancer whom I fancied at one of those places one block over from the back entrance to Troya. She was a cute little Colombiana that was short, hand the typical brown that was past her shoulders, small boobs, but a nice little ass that I found was slightly enhanced (I originally thought it was natural). The session with her was pretty nice and she seemed pretty friendly based on what limited talking we could do. After that I walked back to the hotel. Again I did this my past trip for the slightly longer trek back to Tequendama Hotel so I was comfortable walking back at like 1 am in the morning.

Saturday I decided it was my day to return to Troya which per my last two trips is my favorite zona club. I got there sometime between 8-9 pm and stayed there until sometime between 1-2 am. This night I didn't see a lot of the same faces I saw on my previous two trips although I did see a few holdovers some whom recognized me. Overall I will say that Troya had a lot LESS enhanced girls on staff compared to my last trips. I like all types of women, but do love a women with curves so I was a bit disappointed some of the enhanced baddies I've seem previously, but didn't get to sample weren't on-hand. In my view there looked to have been more girls with butt work than breasts work for those whom did have any work done at all. Maybe all the enhanced ones went to another club, went independent, retired, or went abroad. As usual when I go to these zona clubs I usually order some drinks, chill, get some dances for various girls, then finish out the night with a session from a girl I fancy. This visit was pretty much that. The chosen lady of the night ended up being this girl that had approached me right after I arrived. Since I prefer to chill by myself for a good 30-45 minutes to see what talent was on-hand I had dismissed her. Not to mention she was wearing to much clothes at that point. I forget what kind of top, but she had on some khaki type pants and heels which certainly isn't what you typically see girls walking around the club in although I could tell her ass was nice and her face was cute. Lucky for her she did a set on-stage where she got naked which really allowed me to see that ass more and it peaked my interests in her more. I did end up getting a dance from her and later on ended up taking her up stairs to end my night right.

Sunday I knew the zona was going to be a bit slow. I just went out to one of the little bars for a bit then grabbed a freelancer. That session was a dud though since the chick didn't have lube and spit wasn't really cutting it too much. I ended up just getting a crappy CBJ to completion and called it a night.

Tonight / Monday after last night's dud I decided I'd hit up Troya again. I got there sometime between 8 and 8:30 pm and stayed until a little after 1 am. It was more of less the same as my trip Saturday. The selection of girls was still pretty much similar to Saturday's lineup, but there were even less enhanced girls than there were Saturday. There were mostly natural girls and even the freelancers (I assume that's what they were) that would occasional pop in looking for customers where mostly all natural girls too. There was one I really fancied but she was kept busy entertaining / drinking / talking with guys although I think only one pulled the trigger. Anyways after going through my usual of buying various drinks, chilling, getting dances I decided to take this one girl upstairs that I'd conversed with and gotten dances from tonight and on my last two trips, but never did the deed with. She'd given me a good dance tonight and since it was getting late and junior was ready for some action she was it LOL. We went upstairs and I put in some work. Junior must have been making up for last night's dud as it took a little longer than usual to bust so I really gave her the business. After that I walked back to the hotel as usual even thought it was a little wet outside since it'd apparently rained a little during the time I was in Troya.

It's like after 3 am now when I'm writing this so off to bed I go. I still have a number of days left so I'll write more if anything of note happens.

Never change your money at the Airport!

Their fees are too high.

If you must get as little as you can to get you to Bank.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2943762]Does anyone know where the best ATMs with good rates and large maximum cash withdrawals are located.

And is a there a decent casa cambio at the airport?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2943762]Does anyone know where the best ATMs with good rates and large maximum cash withdrawals are located.

And is a there a decent casa cambio at the airport?[/QUOTE]The money changer in AP is not going to give best rate-- but there are ATMs too-- largest amount (2 Million COP) is from Davivienda with a $4-5 fee (not sure if they are in AP) Also BanCoomeva gives 2 Million too. There are others that give close to that, Banco AV Villas, Caja Social (1. 9 million or so) and there are others I don't remember names-.

Of Course you may do as many WDs up to your bank limit.

Important -- They ask if you will 'accept the conversion' -- Don't Do it -- it is a junk fee-- I actually was at another ATM recently at Banco AV Villas and they asked if I would accept some other thing and made it look like I would not get money-- I said no and got paid.

There are many Davivienda ATMs in the downtown area not far from Santa Fe-- Also in the North.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2943385]La capuchina is one place by KR 13 and Calle 18 --BTW I am OCT62-- What a drag it is getting older.[/QUOTE]Oh man, you can say that twice.

Thank you so much. When I get a little more settled, maybe you can show me around a little, as you have for so many others. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2943762]Does anyone know where the best ATMs with good rates and large maximum cash withdrawals are located.

And is a there a decent casa cambio at the airport?[/QUOTE]If you decline the option they push at you, and just take the conversion rate, it is your home bank that decides the conversion. At least with my bank it is. So I will get the same conversion rate at any bank ATM. But ATM fees may vary, and at least with Davivienda there is a hidden other fee sometimes. And maximum cash withdrawals can change. Lower on paydays for example.

[QUOTE=BoarderDude301;2943786]The women who are originally from Bogota, are more attractive. However, Bogota also has a significant number of women from other areas of Colombia who are super hot. Also hot Venezuelans. For what you are looking for, you will be very disappointed with CDMX. I do not recommend based on the criteria you laid out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. Looks like Bogota is the obvious choice then.

How's the BBFS hit rate? Do most girls do it?

Thanks to woodman for stating this. I am surprised that it isn't common knowledge. This is true for Colombia and elsewhere.

ATMs will ask "Accept the conversion" or something similar. If you say yes, then you are accepting the local bank's conversion rate rather than your banks.

I am not sure on non-US banks, but for US banks you will see very low rates vs the interbank rate you see on XE. I think it's between 0% and 1,5%.

To proove this was the case with a friend years ago, we did an experiment at two banks. IIRC Bancolombia and Davivienda. "Accept the conversion" gave a rate 3,5% worse.

SUDAMERIS. I am surprised that Banco Sudameris doesn't come up. They don't have nearly as many branches and have a funny ATM interface (as in colors and clip art). But they have the lowest transaction fees and very high withdraw limits. I've seen 5 M but usually "only" 2 M. They are the local bank of choice for wealthy expats. If you need to see a teller, you are unlikely to have a long line. Their branches are mostly in wealthy neighborhoods of Chapinero and Usaquen.

Banco de Bogota has the lowest per transaction limits.

Outside of major cities, your choice of ATMs can be very limited.

Also, as mentioned, the casa del cambios at the airport and otherwise are typically really bad rates. Especially for Colombians buying dollars or euros as they leave. Sometimes the selling dollars rates can be OK, when the casa is low on US cash, but typically not. There's also a very real chance of counterfeit for casas not at the airport.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2943919]The money changer in AP is not going to give best rate-- but there are ATMs too-- largest amount (2 Million COP) is from Davivienda with a $4-5 fee (not sure if they are in AP) Also BanCoomeva gives 2 Million too. There are others that give close to that, Banco AV Villas, Caja Social (1. 9 million or so) and there are others I don't remember names-.

Of Course you may do as many WDs up to your bank limit.

Important -- They ask if you will 'accept the conversion' -- Don't Do it -- it is a junk fee-- I actually was at another ATM recently at Banco AV Villas and they asked if I would accept some other thing and made it look like I would not get money-- I said no and got paid.

There are many Davivienda ATMs in the downtown area not far from Santa Fe-- Also in the North.[/QUOTE]

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Yes, you will find a lot. Many Colombian women age very well.

In Photoprepagos you can use age filters and get a lot of hits for older women of quality. I have found that the listings are reasonably accurate for age (maybe add 5 years to what's listed). I believe that the verified postings are exact as they submit their cedulas. 80% of experiences on PP have been very good to excellent. And the 20% have only been "fair" - by Colombia standards (high bar).

La Celestina, best agency IMHO, has "MILFs" which they define as 29+. They tend to be in their 30's though, probably 45 max.

[QUOTE=Sept1962;2943128]I'm a little weird, in that I like older women. Like 40-60. I know everyone here is looking for spinners and young ladies, but I have always had *great* experiences with older providers. Closer to GFEs, they're more willing to do more things, and that's been true for me in Europe and in Bangkok. So I'm wondering where I might maybe find women like that. Any advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]

YMMV, but these are my experiences based on many years in BOG. I appreciate your perspective and experiences.

La Celestina.

I am surprised that this agency doesn't get more good press. They are probably the largest high end agency in the city. By far. They aren't cheap. I have nothing but good things to say. Solitasparati / Niisha used to be their equal, but they have declined in both size and quality. And they are usually prompt (baring traffic). Often to the minute.

I believe that the face blurring is new to the site.

On any day other than Sundays there will be at least 100 available, many of whom don't have profiles on their website. All photos are real and most are lightly to moderately photoshopped for skin tone & blemishes. And, as most people know, it takes much more effort to touch up videos.

There's a telegram channel which they use to broadcast who is available. It usually comes out twice daily 11/12 AM and again around 2/3 PM. It typically has a photo or GIF of a bit less than half of the list. They have recently begun some livestreams with model interviews and giveaway raffles. Only problem is that the telegram channel is oversubscribed (+1600) and they will only add you if you have recent business. However, beginning around noon, you can ask them who is available and they will send you the list. If whatsapp, it will be only the list. If you use telegram then you should ask for list and photos.

IMHO, unlike other agencies, many (but not all) of the models will insist on going thru the agency for repeat business.

As for the profile data, I think it's 95% correct on LaCele. Some fields (like surgeries, height) are 100% accurate.

If you are in an appointment and have any type of misunderstanding or dispute, and speak Spanish, make a call on speakerphone -- yours or the model's. Asking to have them help mediate. Customer service & repeat business means a lot to them. It's been many many years, but I did once have disagreement on rate and upcharges. Agency supported me and all was good, including a good session. As long as your are polite and apologize for the misunderstanding. BTW, it's also a good idea to only have exact change in your wallet and keep additional funds elsewhere. Esp for independents. Seems less of this than many years ago.

PhotoPrepagos.

On PhotoPrepagos, in my experience, I think the profile data is 80% correct. I've got a good track record or perhaps I've improved my BS filters. It's always the same person, but sometimes the photos can be rather old. Some providers have been on there more than 5 years. Oh yeah, PP just added audio attachments. You definitely should listen to them. It can definitely give you a preview of personality. Even without Spanish fluency, you'll be able to judge a lot on tone of voice.

Mileroticos.

On Mileroticos, I would estimate that the profile data is 70% correct at best. IMHO, Mileroticos is only for use outside of BOG and MDE.

It might go without saying, but I will say it anyways. With LaCele, it's a agency. When you chat you are chatting with a dispatcher.

With PP and ME, it's probably 50/50 that you are chatting directly with an independent. Especially when they take a while to get back to you (hours). PP and ME are also horrible for timeliness even when not doing domicilio. The no-show rate can be rather high for domicilio.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2943399]Bogota Vs Mexico City.

I'm planning on doing an extended stay in Bogota Colombia or Mexico City for at least half a year. Colombia seems to have better reports compared to CDMX. Funny enough most of the good CDMX lays seem to come from Colombianas in Mexico.[/QUOTE]Nah, I would not go for Colombian women being better in bed than Mexican women. I will say Colombian women are more friendly in Colombia than the Mexicans are in Mexico. Mexican women have this kind of wall that you have to break through until they get comfortable. But the Colombians who go to Mexico have that same wall.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2943399]My priorities are:

- Agencies or Massage Parlors over Street Walkers or Clubs.

- I don't like drinking, loud music or walking the streets.[/QUOTE]With Mexico City, the go to is Twitter. Even the organization known as laboutiquevip, whatever it is, in Mexico City will have photos of women that link to their twitter pages. There are street walkers in Mexico City too. In Colombia, you have it all: strip clubs, casas, street walkers, massage parlors, agencies.

Mexico City cracked down on strip clubs and the escort world kind of went underground, so the options to find women are more limited. What you have in Mexico City that you do not have in Bogota though is women from all over the world. You will see not only women from every major South American country but white women from Ukraine and Russia, and they are hot. The reason for this is mongers in Mexico City have more money.

Price wise, you are going to pay more in Mexico City and way more if you go up on the looks scale.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2943399]- BBFS.

- I don't care about food or other things to do. And I can live with less safety.

- I'm open to Seeking Arrangements, though I've never done it.[/QUOTE]If you want BBFS, you probably should go for Seeking, and seeking is better in Bogota than Mexico City. BBFS was pretty common in both places with seeking and not so much without it.

I think a better question to ask with regards to the women is who you have access to. In Mexico City, I do not think you are going to have a shot at the upper crust. The money the Mexican elite make is at the same scale as those in the USA, and you have to compete with them, and that is not true in Colombia. That is not to say the middle class types in Mexico that you meet are not great. They sure can be. Just because a woman comes from a well to do family does not mean she is going to be better company or a better lover. It is just you have little chance for a woman from the upper class in Mexico.

Because Colombia is poorer, there is way more pressure on the girls / children to produce. So there is really no comparison when it comes to things like education, refinement, and class. So as to what you will have available to you, Colombia beats the snot out of Mexico. In fact, the Mexican men routinely prefer Colombian women to Mexican ones, and the Colombian men prefer Colombian women. The Colombian women I have talked to and have gone to school in Mexico say it is a breeze compared to Colombia.

I have settled down with one gal I met in Bogota. I cannot tell you how many times we have traveled and someone correctly identifies that she is Colombian. If she is talking to men, they say it is her accent, but I think they are FOS. Men have guessed it when she has not said a word. Okay, yes Colombians have a certain look but the reality is the beautiful Colombian woman exceeds those of almost all other Latin countries. The only country IMO that can match the beauty of the top Colombian women looks wise in South America is Brazil.

I should say though that you are going to run out of touristy things to do in Bogota in a week or so. Mexico City has so much more to do and see. IMO if you get bored in Mexico City, that is on you. There is an energy in Mexico City you only see in the best big cities like Tokyo, NYC, London. You can just feel it. Outside of the women and a few things that are more costly in Mexico City, Mexico City has Bogota beat in every way.

So to me, you can go to Bogota and find the street walkers, strippers, and escorts and get your itch scratched. What I wish guys could see is what I see. After hooking up with my gal, I met her friends and all her daughter's friends. It is the most amazing set of women I have ever seen: looks, class, education, talent. Thing is these women are busy at work, school, and their families. It is not easy to penetrate this world, but it exists, and the largest collection of said women is in Bogota.

I think what separates me from other guys is they rave about Bogota as a place to get cheap pussy and it is whereas I think it is the best place in the world to get a hot and amazing girlfriend or sugar baby. But outside of women, I would have little interest in spending much time in Bogota whereas I go to Mexico City because I love the city. Hope that helps.

My first post was in reply to CDMX vs BOG and my thought was that it was "obvious" and there is no contest between the two destinations. I can see how it could have been seen as inflamatory.

A more polite response: Anyone who has visited both locations (I have) will agree that there is no contest and BOG wins on every dimension the original post had asked about.

However, CDMX is a great destination for museums, culinary, and other cultural and touristic aspects.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2944471]
If you want BBFS, you probably should go for Seeking, and seeking is better in Bogota than Mexico City. BBFS was pretty common in both places with seeking and not so much without it.

I think a better question to ask with regards to the women is who you have access to. In Mexico City, I do not think you are going to have a shot at the upper crust. The money the Mexican elite make is at the same scale as those in the USA, and you have to compete with them, and that is not true in Colombia. That is not to say the middle class types in Mexico that you meet are not great. They sure can be. Just because a woman comes from a well to do family does not mean she is going to be better company or a better lover. It is just you have little chance for a woman from the upper class in Mexico.
[/QUOTE]Thanks Elvis,

So to sum things up:

- Mexico city's only real "sex win" is that it has an international buffet for high-rollers. E. g. You can have a Mexican one week, an Eastern European another week, a Japanese next week etc.

- Another "win" for Mexico city is food, experiences, museums. E. g. Cultural stuff.

- No real advantage in either place for BBFS with escorts. It's uncommon.

- SB's are better in Colombia due to looks, friendliness but also class accessibility. You can SB a high-class Colombian, but are unlikely to SB a high-class Mexican (they don't need us).

I would prefer to date a civilian over p4 p, just not sure if I'll be successful. It does sound like I have a better chance in Colombia.

Another Question:

Any reason to choose Bogota over Medellin based on wanting: escorts, BBFS and possibly sugar babies? A few thoughts below:

- Bogota has about twice the population (more options).

- Bogota seems to have less expats (isn't overrun).

- Bogota's weather is colder, so even if the women are as hot. They're going to show less skin for our viewing pleasure.

- Medellin has a Parque Lleras. Not that I would go, but there doesn't seem to be a mid-tier street equivalent in Bogota.

- Medellin has a fair number of light skinned girls (my favorite) - not sure if Bogota does.

- Medellin is famed for it's sexy Paisa accent. Not sure how the Bogota Rolo accent is.

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2944479]My first post was in reply to CDMX vs BOG and my thought was that it was "obvious" and there is no contest between the two destinations. I can see how it could have been seen as inflamatory.

A more polite response: Anyone who has visited both locations (I have) will agree that there is no contest and BOG wins on every dimension the original post had asked about.

However, CDMX is a great destination for museums, culinary, and other cultural and touristic aspects.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info GringoTigre.

What are your thoughts on Bogota vs Medellin?

I'm specifically interested in escorts, BBFS or Sugar Babies.

Less interested in streetwalkers or clubs.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2940759]Welcome to Bogota!

Welcome to the land of putas, arepas, and thin air! The nicer parts of the city, like La Candelaria and Zona Rosa were quite clean. But, I found some other areas were a bit trashy and riddled with graffiti. Having said that, I felt safe wherever I went. Because of the altitude, it was pleasant during the day, but it got chilly in the evenings. Because I am old and already walk slow, I did not have any issues.......[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for blessing the board with an extremely detailed and informative report. Considering a trip to Bogota soon. Your report definitely helps.

I was wondering if there were any areas like parque llyres in Bogota. Also is Santa Fe the only places with bars and Saws? I've been looking at a 2 airbnbs, one not far from Santa Fe and another in the north (chapenero). The one in the North looks much nicer but I don't want to have a 35 minute trip to find some action. Also, I've read that gringos are targeted in the north but judging from the YouTube videos I've seen, I'm skeptical of staying too close to Santa Fe. A little too gutter for my liking. I don't mind coming in the day time for a couple sessions and then going back home but I'd love for something reminiscent of parque llyres / El pablado area where the chicks dress nice and hangs out with plenty of security / police presence.

[QUOTE=Icky994;2945647]I was wondering if there were any areas like parque llyres in Bogota.
Also is Santa Fe the only places with bars and Saws?[/QUOTE]For sure. Zona-G, Zona-T and Parque-93 are full of restaurants and bars (the G is gastronomy). Each of which are larger in area than Parque Lleras in MDE.

Unlike Lleras, you won't find any SWs in these areas.

For me, the only places I now stay are north of Calle 68. For first time visitors, I suggest something near Chico Norte / Parque 93 as there are a lot of options.

There are a few nice places south of Calle 68 that are high up the hill, but they are not really walkable and that's important to me.

I've stayed further south of Calle 68, including Zona G, Candalaria. But I won't be going back there.

Don't let the distance to Santa Fe discourage you. There's no lyft in Colombia, but Uber is plentiful, but also setup Didi and Driver apps.

[QUOTE]Also, I've read that gringos are targeted in the north.[/QUOTE]Actually I think it's more the opposite. The north is where the wealthy and expats live.

Foreigners stick out more the further south you go. Also, it isn't skin tone which sets foreigners apart -- it is often body mass, clothing, and / or just how you walk around. And of course once you open your mouth, it's obvious even if you are fluent in Spanish.

Santa Fe is typically a nighttime only destination unless you're interested in the mostly low-end SWs. I would compare the SWs of Santa Fe to be more like el Centro in MDE.

In the north there are a few clubs (higher $ than Santa Fe), many casas, MPs, and the mezzanine. Go to the Bogota Lists channel (scroll way down to find it). There you will find the maps.

They aren't fully updated and some of the casas have closed, but it will give you a feel.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2944807]Thanks Elvis,

So to sum things up:

- Mexico city's only real "sex win" is that it has an international buffet for high-rollers. E. g. You can have a Mexican one week, an Eastern European another week, a Japanese next week etc.

- Another "win" for Mexico city is food, experiences, museums. E. g. Cultural stuff.

- No real advantage in either place for BBFS with escorts. It's uncommon.

- SB's are better in Colombia due to looks, friendliness but also class accessibility. You can SB a high-class Colombian, but are unlikely to SB a high-class Mexican (they don't need us).

I would prefer to date a civilian over p4 p, just not sure if I'll be successful. It does sound like I have a better chance in Colombia.

Another Question:

Any reason to choose Bogota over Medellin based on wanting: escorts, BBFS and possibly sugar babies? A few thoughts below:

- Bogota has about twice the population (more options).

- Bogota seems to have less expats (isn't overrun).

- Bogota's weather is colder, so even if the women are as hot. They're going to show less skin for our viewing pleasure.

- Medellin has a Parque Lleras. Not that I would go, but there doesn't seem to be a mid-tier street equivalent in Bogota.

- Medellin has a fair number of light skinned girls (my favorite) - not sure if Bogota does.

- Medellin is famed for it's sexy Paisa accent. Not sure how the Bogota Rolo accent is.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Basically, Medellin has slightly prettier women than Bogota, but I found the women of Bogota to be more ambitious, friendlier, and of higher character. The women of Medellin wear their materialism on their sleeve. I don't think Lleras is anything special. Thing Medellin has that Bogota does not is the high end club La Isla, but it is not cheap. I have always been disappointed when I go to Medellin by one thing or another.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2946044]Basically, Medellin has slightly prettier women than Bogota, but I found the women of Bogota to be more ambitious, friendlier, and of higher character. The women of Medellin wear their materialism on their sleeve. I don't think Lleras is anything special. Thing Medellin has that Bogota does not is the high end club La Isla, but it is not cheap. I have always been disappointed when I go to Medellin by one thing or another.[/QUOTE]Thanks Elvis!

Is it reasonable to conclude that any second tier city will be worse than either Bogota of Medellin for the above? Manizales keeps coming up in my research as safer, cheaper but smaller. I assume less talent.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2946127]Thanks Elvis!

Is it reasonable to conclude that any second tier city will be worse than either Bogota of Medellin for the above? Manizales keeps coming up in my research as safer, cheaper but smaller. I assume less talent.[/QUOTE]The city I saw with the highest percentage of good looking women anywhere was actually Barranquilla. That is where Shakira and Sofia Vergara are from. The P4 P world is tiny there compared to Medellin or Bogota and I would say even Cali. Even back when seeking arrangement was good, I would average a date every other day from the site versus three a day in Medellin and two a day in Bogota. Now with SA, I think Barranquilla is bone dry.

Thing is that it is the 4th biggest city population wise in the country, and the weather is more how I like it, sunny with highs in the 90's. Thing is outside of the short period of Carnivale there is not much to do there so if you go, you need a plan. So you use the P4 P world or seeking to get an in, and then you ask the woman you have an in with if she has any friends. It is harder to come by johns in Barranquilla because it is off the beaten path, so the friends path will likely yield you more than in more travelled places.

If I went now, I would set up some kind of business and be handing out cards and putting out ads to have a woman come work for me. Whether you have work or not is not that important, but I think if you can come up with something involving some real work of some kind, you will attract better applicants. I do not want to go overboard but I asked a Colombian lawyer about sex on the job and it is not that big of a deal. I know no one will believe me, but I really did ask for a friend. LOL.

I had a sugar baby in BAQ and kept her through the pandemic. She was a 22 year old 8-9 type and she was a horndog. Anyway, she sent me a video of her and her friends being drunk and dancing at Carnivale. It seemed like a great time.

Thing is one of her friends was a 9-10 type. It has all worked out for me with Colombia, but if I had to do it all over again, I would have been way more aggressive. In hindsight, I would have said I like your friend, how can we make a threesome happen? And I would hand out a business card out to every hot woman I saw.

BAQ is like this straight and narrow business city but when Carnivale happens, it is like you are letting a city of celibate monks free to have all the sex they want. I have not been. I have just seen glimpses of their Carnivale and what I saw was a lot of hot, drunk, happy women dancing their asses off. It seems like getting women then would be like shooting fish in a barrel, but I cannot completely confirm that. What I can confirm is that some of the hottest women I saw in Colombia were there.

Fellas, just FYI, I swung by Nanxingspa and they quoted me $400 k for full service.

I saw a report from April it was 250 k so I wanted to let you folks know.

So either they over charged me for being a foreigner or the price went up.

What do resident from Bogota think?

I'm on the ground in Bogota and here's how its been so far.

Some background info. The last time I was in Bogota, I had good success with Seeking and lucked out with an amazing photoprepagos girl. I liked her so much that I made a spontaneous trip out to Cali with her where she's from. Given that the best girl from the previous trip was off of photoprepagos, I figured, let's not even source girls from Seeking this time and just do photoprepagos / mileroticos. I knew it would be hit or miss, but I figured I'the at least encounter a really cool girl like 30% of the time. Thus far, it's been more misses than hits.

Girl one: Salome - 170 k. Her apartment. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/soy-nueva-en-tu-ciudad-ven-y-disfruta-de-estas-grandes-tetas-y-rico-culo/25307613/[/URL].

Face: 7.

Body: 8. 5.

Age: early 20's.

This was the first and most attractive girl out of the 4. Her body looks just like the photos, it's absolutely amazing. If her service wasn't so mechanical, I would have repeated and taken her on dates. No kisses, no fingering, and she complained that her tits were sensitive. Covered mediocre BJ and finished in doggie because that ass really is spectacular, unlike her involvement.

Girl two: Kate - 460 k. My airbnb. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/educada-y-extrovertida-cuerpo-natural-solo-domicilio/25470108/[/URL].

Face: 6. 5.

Body: 8.

Age: mid 20's.

This girl had a good body and an okay face. She is a semipro and works as a nurse. We had decent chemistry, but I was a bit disappointed by how much I paid for her vs how attractive her face was. Her face just wasn't my type. I was expecting at least a 7. Sex was on the table, but I was satisfied with a BBJ and finishing on her body.

Girl three: Angelica - 300 k. My airbnb. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota-dc/chapinero/fogosa-y-amorosa-universitaria-amante-del-deporte-id-ewr26[/URL].

Face: 6.

Body: 7. 5.

Age: 20.

This girl was thiccc. Body looks just like the photos. If you like them voluptuous, she's got all the cushion in the world. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the thicccness was just a bit too much for me. This girl is a student in her last year. She also works as a physical trainer, so her body is firm. She was really sweet, and I enjoyed her company. She was telling me how some of her professors and classmates have taken her services. She gave a fantastic BBJ with eye contact and plenty of wetness as indicated by the lipstick stains on the bed afterwards. Her pussy felt loose, but then again, I got a vienna sausage and not a Kielbasa. If her face was just a bit more attractive, I definitely would have repeated, because the service was excellent and the chemistry was there.

Girl four: Sofia - 210 k. Her place. Casa on calle 46 #26-48. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/sofia-calena-con-un-curvas-linda-cola-grande-naturales-apto-privado/25378514/[/URL].

Face: 6.

Body: 7. 5.

Age: 19.

I originally wasn't planning on going to any casas, but I found the scheduling on this particular day to be impossible. I'm glad I went because this casa was very lowkey and in a quiet neighborhood in Teusaquillo. It has 5 girls but only 2 were available at the time I arrived. I found both attractive and would have been happy with either. Sofia was a sweetie and very compliant. I wanted to nut in her mouth, so that's exactly what went down. She gave a wet, warm, varied, and perfect pressure BBJ. I usually don't like my balls being licked too much, but she was quite good at it. I like that she waited until every drop of milk was emptied into her mouth before she got up to spit it out. Afterwards, she showed me the other girls, and I was like wow, I would be happy with 3 out of the 5 girls. I might come back to do my first trio ever, since I found her best friend to be quite attractive.

I suppose the most important thing I've learned is just how difficult it is to schedule with independent girls on photoprepagos / mileroticos. The girls working at casas / spas respond quickly and the independent girls respond whenever they please, sometimes taking hours or even a day. You could be texting back and forth and then they'll just disappear for 2 hours. The draw of a semipro is that selling sex isn't their primary occupation; they have other things going on in their lives. At the same time, this is also the downside; most don't treat it professionally in terms of responsiveness and scheduling.

Lastly, I also went to Lido to check out the talent one night and was a bit disappointed. I was expecting the girls here to be on par with Gusto in Medellin but that's definitely not the case. There's definitely some attractive girls here, but if you're like me and prefer natural looking girls, I found them to be in the minority the night I went. If you like bombshell plastic girls, you'll be in heaven here. I don't mind paying 200-300 USD for a girl who's just my type, but didn't find it that night.

Luckily, I still have some time to find the dream girl that makes the trip truly memorable. If not, that trio might just have to do =).

Here's a quick report for my 3 days there this past week:

Landed Wednesday, took an Uber to the AirBnB in Chapinero. Took a shower and then an Uber to Tantra.

Tantra Spa: There were about 15 girls there. They brought them all out so we could pick the one we liked. My friend and I grabbed the 2 hottest girls and headed to the rooms. I picked Maria (or maybe Marianna) - a cute thin girl. It was 100 mil for the hour. I gave an extra 100 mil for BBBJ, CIM, DATY, and kissing. Totally worth it. I went back to Tantra my last day there and went with a girl named Sophia, a very cute girl. Paid 100 mil for the hour and an extra 300 mil for the same stuff above and for BBFS. It was great. I recommend this place.

Santa Fe: My friend and I met Woodman for a tour. Highly recommend it. I felt safer with him walking us around and he gave us a ton of pointers and helped us get phone numbers from girls in the clubs. We checked out most of the clubs in Santa Fe, with Troya being the best spot by far. Woodmen grabbed a few numbers for us, and I had one of the girls stay 8+ hours with me my last night there. A pretty girl named Daniela. She was a lot of fun. She doesn't do anything uncovered, but she was very cool. We went to dinner at an Italian place, had hours of fun in the room, she changed outfits several times and was so fun, then we spent the last hour at a bar playing a game I'the never played before. She rode with us to the airport and I got her an Uber from the airport to her house. I paid 800 mil for 8 hours. I sent her money for a tip through Western Union because she was so fun and nice and let me take a lot of pictures.

Absolut Spa: Went to absolut. Not worth the price to be honest. Very petty girls, but not worth the price difference. I was with Paula. Very hot girl. It was 330 mil for an hour and I paid an extra 350 mil for BBBJ & kissing. She was hot, but again, I could've had 3 girls in Tantra for that. It was a nice and clean place. It was a big room, but the action was on a small massage table. Started with a massage, but it wasn't much of a massage tbh.

We took two girls back from our first night in Santa Fe. Met them in a place called California. The place was dead, but the girls were hot and fun. We were tired from traveling there all day and don't think we chose the best girls. They started trying to change the terms as soon as we got to our rooms. The hustle was a turn off. We still had fun with them, but it could've been better. After we finished, I ordered her an Uber and sent her home. I'the paid her to stay overnight, but decided I didn't want her there anymore. I just wanted to go to sleep.

Chapinero Clubs: We went to Pussy House but it was dead. Walked around the corner and into a place called Sixty Nine. This place was pretty nice and had several girls we liked. I went to a room with a girl named Maria. I paid 300 mil for the room for 25 minutes with BBBJ & BBFS. I was going to have her stay the night with me the last night, but she messaged me saying her period started and we couldn't have sex. So I went with the girl (Daniela) I met at Troya the first night. Maria was very cute and fun to hang out with. My friend met a girl at Sixty Nine that was his girlfriend the rest of the trip. They went to a movie, went shopping, went to the top of the mountain and did tourist stuff, and she stayed with him for 2 nights. LOL. The other Chapinero places we went to were dead. But we were there way too early. Like 5-9 pm. They all told us to come back after 10. But we didn't because we were happy with girls we already met.

I did try a few street girls in Santa Fe. Going rate was 70 mil. It's cheap and fun and some of the girls are hot, but I much prefer the girls in the clubs.

Pics are Sophia from Tantra and Daniela from Troya.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2947090]Here's a quick report for my 3 days there this past week:

Landed Wednesday, took an Uber to the AirBnB in Chapinero. Took a shower and then an Uber to Tantra.

Tantra Spa: There were about 15 girls there. They brought them all out so we could pick the one we liked. My friend and I grabbed the 2 hottest girls and headed to the rooms. I picked Maria (or maybe Marianna) - a cute thin girl. It was 100 mil for the hour. I gave an extra 100 mil for BBBJ, CIM, DATY, and kissing. Totally worth it. I went back to Tantra my last day there and went with a girl named Sophia, a very cute girl. Paid 100 mil for the hour and an extra 300 mil for the same stuff above and for BBFS. It was great. I recommend this place.

Santa Fe: My friend and I met Woodman for a tour. Highly recommend it. I felt safer with him walking us around and he gave us a ton of pointers and helped us get phone numbers from girls in the clubs. We checked out most of the clubs in Santa Fe, with Troya being the best spot by far. Woodmen grabbed a few numbers for us, and I had one of the girls stay 8+ hours with me my last night there. A pretty girl named Daniela. She was a lot of fun. She doesn't do anything uncovered, but she was very cool. We went to dinner at an Italian place, had hours of fun in the room, she changed outfits several times and was so fun, then we spent the last hour at a bar playing a game I'the never played before. She rode with us to the airport and I got her an Uber from the airport to her house. I paid 800 mil for 8 hours. I sent her money for a tip through Western Union because she was so fun and nice and let me take a lot of pictures.

Absolut Spa: Went to absolut. Not worth the price to be honest. Very petty girls, but not worth the price difference. I was with Paula. Very hot girl. It was 330 mil for an hour and I paid an extra 350 mil for BBBJ & kissing. She was hot, but again, I could've had 3 girls in Tantra for that. It was a nice and clean place. It was a big room, but the action was on a small massage table. Started with a massage, but it wasn't much of a massage tbh.

We took two girls back from our first night in Santa Fe. Met them in a place called California. The place was dead, but the girls were hot and fun. We were tired from traveling there all day and don't think we chose the best girls. They started trying to change the terms as soon as we got to our rooms. The hustle was a turn off. We still had fun with them, but it could've been better. After we finished, I ordered her an Uber and sent her home. I'the paid her to stay overnight, but decided I didn't want her there anymore. I just wanted to go to sleep.

Chapinero Clubs: We went to Pussy House but it was dead. Walked around the corner and into a place called Sixty Nine. This place was pretty nice and had several girls we liked. I went to a room with a girl named Maria. I paid 300 mil for the room for 25 minutes with BBBJ & BBFS. I was going to have her stay the night with me the last night, but she messaged me saying her period started and we couldn't have sex. So I went with the girl (Daniela) I met at Troya the first night. Maria was very cute and fun to hang out with. My friend met a girl at Sixty Nine that was his girlfriend the rest of the trip. They went to a movie, went shopping, went to the top of the mountain and did tourist stuff, and she stayed with him for 2 nights. LOL. The other Chapinero places we went to were dead. But we were there way too early. Like 5-9 pm. They all told us to come back after 10. But we didn't because we were happy with girls we already met.

I did try a few street girls in Santa Fe. Going rate was 70 mil. It's cheap and fun and some of the girls are hot, but I much prefer the girls in the clubs.

Pics are Sophia from Tantra and Daniela from Troya.[/QUOTE]Was it your first time in Bogota? I can't believe you paid 680 mil to fuck on a small massage table and 800 mil for all covered service. Don't you negotiate at all? What puzzles me is that you seem to have a decent budget, but you don't get what you pay for. 150-200 USD in Bogota can easily get you a full GFE multiple hours service with a good looking girl (7. 5-8) in the comfort of your AirBnb.

Focus on semi-pros instead of hardened SF and club pros and you will get a much better experience. Also, barebacking these high volume skanks is risky, be careful.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2947112]Also, barebacking these high volume skanks is risky, be careful.[/QUOTE]"High volume skanks" LOLOLOL! And how sure can one be that the ones standing on the street corner are "sin huevos" (aren't men)? There's risk in that too!

Any recommendations on guest friendly hotels in Chapinero?

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2947090]Here's a quick report for my 3 days there this past week:

Landed Wednesday, took an Uber to the AirBnB in Chapinero. Took a shower and then an Uber to Tantra.[/QUOTE]Mind sharing the Airbnb / name of the building? I need a two bedroom unit.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2947112]Was it your first time in Bogota? I can't believe you paid 680 mil to fuck on a small massage table and 800 mil for all covered service. Don't you negotiate at all? What puzzles me is that you seem to have a decent budget, but you don't get what you pay for. 150-200 USD in Bogota can easily get you a full GFE multiple hours service with a good looking girl (7. 5-8) in the comfort of your AirBnb.

Focus on semi-pros instead of hardened SF and club pros and you will get a much better experience. Also, barebacking these high volume skanks is risky, be careful.[/QUOTE]Budget? I didn't have budget. 😂 I did what I wanted with who I wanted and paid what I wanted to get what I wanted. Absolut is a higher end place. It's more expensive. Like Vicky's and Lido. I met all the girls working and I picked the hottest one and I negotiated and that was what the price was. I don't regret it, but I wouldn't go back.

As for 800 for all night. That was the best money I spent. The girl is hot and she was very fun to hangout with. I don't regret it at all. Covered, uncovered, whatever. It was still GFE and I had a great time with her for 8+ hours (lap dances, outfit changes, massages, dinner, playing games at a bar, and somehow I managed to finish 3 times even though she was the 9th girl I was with in 3 days).

I'm not wasting time trying to find "semi-pros. " That said, I spent 12 hours with a nurse that I met at a COVID test site in 2021 and went to Bogota to see in 2022. She's not a semi-pro or a pro and my time with her (which was free, BTW) was the best part of my trip.

I was sharing my experience. Not asking for anyone's advice or criticism. I'll focus on what I want to focus on. I had a great experience, it couldn't have been much better. I certainly appreciated Woodmen's advice and recommendations and would recommend anyone planning a trip to hit him up for a tour.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2947090]Here's a quick report for my 3 days there this past week:
[/QUOTE]Thank you for the solid trip report!

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2947151]Budget? I didn't have budget. 😂 I did what I wanted with who I wanted and paid what I wanted to get what I wanted. Absolut is a higher end place. It's more expensive. Like Vicky's and Lido. I met all the girls working and I picked the hottest one and I negotiated and that was what the price was. I don't regret it, but I wouldn't go back.

As for 800 for all night. That was the best money I spent. The girl is hot and she was very fun to hangout with. I don't regret it at all. Covered, uncovered, whatever. It was still GFE and I had a great time with her for 8+ hours (lap dances, outfit changes, massages, dinner, playing games at a bar, and somehow I managed to finish 3 times even though she was the 9th girl I was with in 3 days).

I'm not wasting time trying to find "semi-pros. " That said, I spent 12 hours with a nurse that I met at a COVID test site in 2021 and went to Bogota to see in 2022. She's not a semi-pro or a pro and my time with her (which was free, BTW) was the best part of my trip..[/QUOTE]If you had a great time and you spent what you wanted to spend, that is all that matters. The criticism from anonymous strangers doesn't matter. I am glad to hear that your trip went well.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2947127]Mind sharing the Airbnb / name of the building? I need a two bedroom unit.[/QUOTE]It was just a loft, not a 2 BR, but you can get 2 separate rooms in the same building from the same owner. I was in "Unique Loft Design, Zona G with Private Terrace" and my friend was just down the hall in the Paris Loft that says "Unique Loft Design, Zona G with Private Balcony. " There are several rooms to choose from in that building and they're all hosted by Daniel.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/37516909?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=dd92f6c2-7759-470a-b25d-db25073fc2ac[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/36437744?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=090b002e-764b-443b-a66d-ea3c18ada56e[/URL]

La Celestina may have a good reputation, but I would warn anyone against trusting videos much more than photos these days. It is getting easier and easier to fake and touch up videos.

Mileroticos has gone to shit because of photo filters. Everyone looks incredible there. I gave up on mileroticos because of this.

No one lives up to the way they look. You arrive and you're disapointed, but you just session anyway because you're already there.

8 years ago, mileroticos was my go to for value, now its worthless for the most part.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2944141]
On any day other than Sundays there will be at least 100 available, many of whom don't have profiles on their website. All photos are real and most are lightly to moderately photoshopped for skin tone & blemishes. And, as most people know, it takes much more effort to touch up videos.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2947113]"High volume skanks" LOLOLOL! And how sure can one be that the ones standing on the street corner are "sin huevos" (aren't men)? There's risk in that too![/QUOTE]Just do a shoulder check, man!

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2947090]Here's a quick report for my 3 days there this past week:

Landed Wednesday, took an Uber to the AirBnB in Chapinero. Took a shower and then an Uber to Tantra.

Tantra Spa: There were about 15 girls there. They brought them all out so we could pick the one we liked. My friend and I grabbed the 2 hottest girls and headed to the rooms. I picked Maria (or maybe Marianna) - a cute thin girl. It was 100 mil for the hour. I gave an extra 100 mil for BBBJ, CIM, DATY, and kissing. Totally worth it. I went back to Tantra my last day there and went with a girl named Sophia, a very cute girl. Paid 100 mil for the hour and an extra 300 mil for the same stuff above and for BBFS. It was great. I recommend this place.

Santa Fe: My friend and I met Woodman for a tour. Highly recommend it. I felt safer with him walking us around and he gave us a ton of pointers and helped us get phone numbers from girls in the clubs. We checked out most of the clubs in Santa Fe, with Troya being the best spot by far. Woodmen grabbed a few numbers for us, and I had one of the girls stay 8+ hours with me my last night there. A pretty girl named Daniela. She was a lot of fun. She doesn't do anything uncovered, but she was very cool. We went to dinner at an Italian place, had hours of fun in the room, she changed outfits several times and was so fun, then we spent the last hour at a bar playing a game I'the never played before. She rode with us to the airport and I got her an Uber from the airport to her house. I paid 800 mil for 8 hours. I sent her money for a tip through Western Union because she was so fun and nice and let me take a lot of pictures.

Absolut Spa: Went to absolut. Not worth the price to be honest. Very petty girls, but not worth the price difference. I was with Paula. Very hot girl. It was 330 mil for an hour and I paid an extra 350 mil for BBBJ & kissing. She was hot, but again, I could've had 3 girls in Tantra for that. It was a nice and clean place. It was a big room, but the action was on a small massage table. Started with a massage, but it wasn't much of a massage tbh..[/QUOTE]BBBJ is the default at Tantra. I've seen Sophia there before. She was my pick in the line up. Sweet girl with curly hair. One thing is that if you are above average size she has some trouble taking it all. Other than that her attitude is great. Those rooms at Tantra are small and cramped.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2947453]Just do a shoulder check, man![/QUOTE]Or shake their hand. If you can not tell the difference between a dude's hand and a woman's hand, then you have problems.

[QUOTE=DWorldTravel69;2946756]Fellas, just FYI, I swung by Nanxingspa and they quoted me $400 k for full service.

I saw a report from April it was 250 k so I wanted to let you folks know.

So either they over charged me for being a foreigner or the price went up.

What do resident from Bogota think?[/QUOTE]I have been there 2 days ago and the full is service is 300 k like it was a year ago BTW.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2947536]BBBJ is the default at Tantra. I've seen Sophia there before. She was my pick in the line up. Sweet girl with curly hair. One thing is that if you are above average size she has some trouble taking it all. Other than that her attitude is great. Those rooms at Tantra are small and cramped.[/QUOTE]LOL I've seen her twice, the room we had was barely enough to fit the bed. The waiting room is awkward af.

A couple weeks ago I was downtown so stopped by Santa Fe and met this great girl.

She's a Pocahontas type, very sexy, and I wanted to do the sharing is caring thing with why'all. Also, business has been slow for her so I think putting her data up here will be a win win.

She's in between cell phones rn, so you can get her on Facebook here:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100072619205433[/URL]

Remember, if you're worried about going around Santa Fe by yourself, link up with Woodman and, if he's free, he'll be happy to help.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2947863]A couple weeks ago I was downtown so stopped by Santa Fe and met this great girl.

She's a Pocahontas type, very sexy, and I wanted to do the sharing is caring thing with why'all. Also, business has been slow for her so I think putting her data up here will be a win win.

She's in between cell phones rn, so you can get her on Facebook here:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100072619205433[/URL]

Remember, if you're worried about going around Santa Fe by yourself, link up with Woodman and, if he's free, he'll be happy to help.[/QUOTE]Her FB page says "In a relationship with Gero Hamada.

Since September 20,2023".

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2947890]Hey it's his money his dick. Why don't you let him spend his money how he chooses to spend it Miamiboy? Isn't that your argument when people say you spend too much? Now you're doing to this guy what you claim others do to you?[/QUOTE]Let's say Toyota Corolla is $40/ day, BMW 5 series is $100/ day, S class is $250/ day. You can't get an S class for the price of Corolla, or even BMW 5, simply because these cars are in totally different classes and therefore, price brackets. But you can easily get a Corolla for the price of BMW, if you are stupid enough to overpay. "You get what you pay" for is a general rule, that doesn't work in isolation, you got to use your brain sometimes and do some research.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2947892]Her FB page says "In a relationship with Gero Hamada.

Since September 20,2023".[/QUOTE]And she is far from being a gem. Average looking at best. Meh.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2948065]Let's say Toyota Corolla is $40/ day, BMW 5 series is $100/ day, S class is $250/ day. You can't get an S class for the price of Corolla, or even BMW 5, simply because these cars are in totally different classes and therefore, price brackets. But you can easily get a Corolla for the price of BMW, if you are stupid enough to overpay. "You get what you pay" for is a general rule, that doesn't work in isolation, you got to use your brain sometimes and do some research.[/QUOTE]Perfect conversation for "Stupid stuff Bogota / Medellín".

Gets old fast.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2948065]Let's say Toyota Corolla is $40/ day, BMW 5 series is $100/ day, S class is $250/ day. You can't get an S class for the price of Corolla, or even BMW 5, simply because these cars are in totally different classes and therefore, price brackets. But you can easily get a Corolla for the price of BMW, if you are stupid enough to overpay. "You get what you pay" for is a general rule, that doesn't work in isolation, you got to use your brain sometimes and do some research.[/QUOTE]But we aren't talking about cars we are taking about women and it is purely subjective what he thinks about the women he fucks, maybe he views them in his mind as a BMW not a Toyota.

The fact remains it is his money his dick, so what right do you have to tell him how to spend his money or who to fuck with his dick? And what makes it all the more ironic is you complain all the time that other guys do that to you then you turn around and do it to someone else?

FOH bro.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2948151]But we aren't talking about cars we are taking about women and it is purely subjective what he thinks about the women he fucks, maybe he views them in his mind as a BMW not a Toyota.

The fact remains it is his money his dick, so what right do you have to tell him how to spend his money or who to fuck with his dick? And what makes it all the more ironic is you complain all the time that other guys do that to you then you turn around and do it to someone else?

FOH bro.[/QUOTE]Normally it is you bashing others for overpaying, but this time around you finally decided to shut the f up and say it is his dick, his money? LOL.

Me personally, I always like to learn how to pay less for the same quality. If I fuck some Seeking girl for X pesos, and I learn other dude pay the same girl 30% less, next time I will negotiate harder. Or switch to a different platform or venue, where I can have the same quality for less money. It is essential to know what others pay. But if the OP thinks almost 700 k to fuck in a tiny room on a massage table for 30 mins-1 HR is a good deal and is satisfied with the service and the comfort, more power to him, I don't give a fuck.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2948308]Normally it is you bashing others for overpaying, but this time around you finally decided to shut the f up and say it is his dick, his money? LOL.

Me personally, I always like to learn how to pay less for the same quality. If I fuck some Seeking girl for X pesos, and I learn other dude pay the same girl 30% less, next time I will negotiate harder. Or switch to a different platform or venue, where I can have the same quality for less money. It is essential to know what others pay. But if the OP thinks almost 700 k to fuck in a tiny room on a massage table for 30 mins-1 HR is a good deal and is satisfied with the service and the comfort, more power to him, I don't give a fuck.[/QUOTE]I never said it was a tiny room. I said it was a small massage table. The room was very nice. You can see pics on the website if you click on Facilities. It was the room with the massage table, mirror on the wall, and the stripper pole. You can see pics of the lady I was with from the link below. Hardly a Corolla. (terrible analogy, BTW) Can't see her face in the pics, but she was gorgeous. Despite that, I never said it was a good deal, did I? In fact, I specifically stated that I would not go back. I wanted to try a higher end place and I provided information that could be helpful to others that are considering going to Absolut Spa.

[URL]https://www.absolutspa.com.co/masajes-bogota/paula-2/[/URL]

You've never been there. You've never seen her before. Your criticism, without any actual experience in that place or with that girl, doesn't help anyone. Go there. Negotiate. Report back.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2948308]Me personally, I always like to learn how to pay less for the same quality. If I fuck some Seeking girl for X pesos, and I learn other dude pay the same girl 30% less, next time I will negotiate harder.[/QUOTE]But how since you always swear some chick that you fucked will not go with someone for less than what you paid? And if someone is paying a chick less, then she is not as good as the chick that you paid. You are a basement dwelling contradiction.

Went to tantras, picked Lorena from the line up, 19 y/o, slim, great tits, nice ass. In the "room" she was cold AF, I paid 100 K for all the extras: DATY, CIM, kiss her perfect tits and DFK. She delivered all the extras as promised but she was extremely mechanical and cold. I guess I have felt warmer attitude from the cashier girl in a supermarket. Service was ok and she did what was agreed but the whole thing felt like fucking one of those Japanese dolls, oh wait those dolls scream and moan, this girl didn't do any of that. Maybe is better not to choose the prettiest of the lineup, maybe some others would be warmer, maybe she was tired of fucking the whole day every hour and that didn't help. Anyhow my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2948065]Let's say Toyota Corolla is $40/ day, BMW 5 series is $100/ day, S class is $250/ day. You can't get an S class for the price of Corolla, or even BMW 5, simply because these cars are in totally different classes and therefore, price brackets. But you can easily get a Corolla for the price of BMW, if you are stupid enough to overpay. "You get what you pay" for is a general rule, that doesn't work in isolation, you got to use your brain sometimes and do some research.[/QUOTE]I would say that the price comparison is very relative. If we are talking about average experiences, then at least in my experience, 10/10 TN for a high price does not mean a good sex. The more beautiful the girl, the more clients she has. This means that she knows many clients, who want to pay big $$ and be the "Tom Cruse". I know many such girls who share their experience of how they pump money out of rich daddies. For example, some a rich papi who jerks off in his office and when he sees 10/10. Everything in his head turns off. He wants to instantly be Tom Cruise and do whatever the girl wants. For his money he has the right to be a hero at least in his mind. I don't want to say about all high quality girls, but most of them don't provide good experience. My experience says me, that often, in lower end casas, with less quality girls you can get 10/10 experience for 100-150 mil. In my opinion, quality sex is when the girl is also involved in sex. In my opinion it is better to have a less beautiful girl with a good attitude, than a beautiful 10/10 which will give you the experience of being a rubber doll. I don't want to say that I am the ultimate truth, and these are just average numbers in my experience. Although all people have different desires, someone just needs a beautiful girl to say to themselves and their friends look it's my.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2947323]It was just a loft, not a 2 BR, but you can get 2 separate rooms in the same building from the same owner. I was in "Unique Loft Design, Zona G with Private Terrace" and my friend was just down the hall in the Paris Loft that says "Unique Loft Design, Zona G with Private Balcony. " There are several rooms to choose from in that building and they're all hosted by Daniel. [/QUOTE]I've stayed at a hotel in this area before. Although being slightly off Carrera 7 , it's very quiet at night. Almost eerie.

I'm going to Sta Marta again this trip, cause I'm from a cold country. I have a split reservation near Calle 30 and Caracas, in Armenia, walking distance to good areas during the day.

You have to take a cab at night anyhow, might as well be closer. There doesn't seem to be a similar arrangement in MDE, unless one considers Nutibara adequate.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2948339]But how since you always swear some chick that you fucked will not go with someone for less than what you paid? And if someone is paying a chick less, then she is not as good as the chick that you paid. You are a basement dwelling contradiction.[/QUOTE]I said IF. That hasn't happened yet. Ballpark numbers are the same.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2948798]I would say that the price comparison is very relative. If we are talking about average experiences, then at least in my experience, 10/10 TN for a high price does not mean a good sex. The more beautiful the girl, the more clients she has. This means that she knows many clients, who want to pay big $$ and be the "Tom Cruse". I know many such girls who share their experience of how they pump money out of rich daddies. For example, some a rich papi who jerks off in his office and when he sees 10/10. Everything in his head turns off. He wants to instantly be Tom Cruise and do whatever the girl wants. For his money he has the right to be a hero at least in his mind. I don't want to say about all high quality girls, but most of them don't provide good experience. My experience says me, that often, in lower end casas, with less quality girls you can get 10/10 experience for 100-150 mil. In my opinion, quality sex is when the girl is also involved in sex. In my opinion it is better to have a less beautiful girl with a good attitude, than a beautiful 10/10 which will give you the experience of being a rubber doll. I don't want to say that I am the ultimate truth, and these are just average numbers in my experience. Although all people have different desires, someone just needs a beautiful girl to say to themselves and their friends look it's my.[/QUOTE]So you are saying a chick working at a low end casa or street that just fucked 5 guys prior to you, will be "involved in sex" with you? LOL. Your experience is very limited, and something tells me you only use high volume pros that work at casas, strip clubs and street. If you really think you can get a 10/10 experience there, (and 10/10 means it can't get any better) you are delusional and just don't know any better.

The more beautiful girl the more clients she has? Well, maybe, if she works at a club and compared to other girls she looks better, then yeah, she will get more clients. However, true stunners don't work at the places you go to. They don't sell pussy publicly. Put yourself in her shoes. You are a beautiful girl, do you want to be fucked my as many guys as possible? Hell no. You won't sell yourself short. You will be looking for a wealthy guy that will be taking care of you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2949183]So you are saying a chick working at a low end casa or street that just fucked 5 guys prior to you, will be "involved in sex" with you? LOL. Your experience is very limited, and something tells me you only use high volume pros that work at casas, strip clubs and street. If you really think you can get a 10/10 experience there, (and 10/10 means it can't get any better) you are delusional and just don't know any better.

The more beautiful girl the more clients she has? Well, maybe, if she works at a club and compared to other girls she looks better, then yeah, she will get more clients. However, true stunners don't work at the places you go to. They don't sell pussy publicly. Put yourself in her shoes. You are a beautiful girl, do you want to be fucked my as many guys as possible? Hell no. You won't sell yourself short. You will be looking for a wealthy guy that will be taking care of you.[/QUOTE]I think you are wrong about my experience. Most likely, I started when you were not even in the project yet. The goal of any prostitute is to earn money by spending as little effort as possible. If a prostitute sells herself then she sells herself to everyone. That is why she places an ad. Any of them don't ask for your resume or not asking to provide your resent photo and real age. If you think, that you are #1 in her day, maybe, but most likely it is an illusion in your head. You can count a minimum numbers: 5+ clients a day* 6 days * 50 weeks= 1500 services. I said that as a rule, a less beautiful girl provides better service and demand less money. Over the years in Bogota and Medellin, I did many girls. Ex: over the last 5 years, I did almost all 7/10 and hier dansers in SF clubs. And I know most of pretty streat talants there. I didn't try to dispute your point of view. You just measure two different things on one scale: white (color) and sweet (sugar). It's two different things: a good session and a beautiful girl. And you are right. If you are looking to be a rich daddy, any of them are ready to marry you or be your and only your girl. A casual date with an old client while you're busy doesn't count.

I have used Eroticas Bogota in Bogota several times during last few months and this is my review. Unfortunately my experience with them was not good. First the good part, I like to know the prices for services beforehand. I don't like to negotiate with the girl. That was the main reason that I kept going back to them.

On the negative side for the amount of money that you are paying the quality is not there. The girls that I met were 3 to 6. The age on the website is a joke. A 24 year old means she is between 30 to 40. I was with a girl few days ago who is 19 on the site but she is ten years older.

There were other negative things. Bad teeth, bad mouth odor. Smelly pussy (deal breaker for me), mechanical sex. I like them to take shower before and after some of them don't. I know you probably can send some of them back for another escort but it is hassle. .

I didn't want to pay more than 400 k, maybe the more expensive girls are better, I don't know.

I will try La Celestina next and will let you know. I have read good reviews about them.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2949183]So you are saying a chick working at a low end casa or street that just fucked 5 guys prior to you, will be "involved in sex" with you? LOL. Your experience is very limited, and something tells me you only use high volume pros that work at casas, strip clubs and street. If you really think you can get a 10/10 experience there, (and 10/10 means it can't get any better) you are delusional and just don't know any better.

The more beautiful girl the more clients she has? Well, maybe, if she works at a club and compared to other girls she looks better, then yeah, she will get more clients. However, true stunners don't work at the places you go to. They don't sell pussy publicly. Put yourself in her shoes. You are a beautiful girl, do you want to be fucked my as many guys as possible? Hell no. You won't sell yourself short. You will be looking for a wealthy guy that will be taking care of you.[/QUOTE]You guys would be surprised at how LITTLE clients Bogotá's sex workers actually have. They can sometimes go days on end without a single hit.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2949474]You guys would be surprised at how LITTLE clients Bogot's sex workers actually have. They can sometimes go days on end without a single hit.[/QUOTE]Or how many his sugar babies actually have.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2949474]You guys would be surprised at how LITTLE clients Bogot's sex workers actually have. They can sometimes go days on end without a single hit.[/QUOTE]Is this what they tell you? And of course, they are telling you the truth. Or are you taking a scientific survey based on 24/7 observation of all the girls and their clients?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2949494]Is this what they tell you? And of course, they are telling you the truth. Or are you taking a scientific survey based on 24/7 observation of all the girls and their clients?[/QUOTE]My ex wife used to advertise on here back in the day. Also, I have a friend who used to arrange tours to SF and other areas for foreigners. He confirmed what I already observed.

At least here in Bogot, it's an extremely saturated market. Maybe places like Medellín and Cartagena have changed because of the huge quantities of tourists these days.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2949486]Or how many his sugar babies actually have.[/QUOTE]I'm way too broke to have even one sugar baby, and I definitely do NOT have a madonna-wh0 re complex.

Just stating facts. Market oversupply is very real here.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2949474]You guys would be surprised at how LITTLE clients Bogot's sex workers actually have. They can sometimes go days on end without a single hit.[/QUOTE]Prostitution works just like any other business. If a prostitute provides the client with a service that suits his needs, he comes back. If not, then he will never come back. Client try another girl. That is why a less beautiful girl will try harder and a more beautiful girl who has more to $$ offer will usually provide worse service. Because beautiful girl has more $$ offers from clients =a better financial situation she can choose clients. For example, I've been sitting in Santa Fe for a week now. I know almost all the girls there who work in Fiebre and Troy. Less beautiful girls to make money serve you better. As a rule a beautiful girl is a rubber doll. They think. I have a pussy and silicone boobs. I spread my legs and am very surprised you are not happy. And they can't understand why I don't want to buy them and buy 7/10. I don't want to say that the locals or gringo don't buy them, they have their own clients. Well, when you sit in Santa Fe for a week or two, the sex pressure disappears and you want something a little more than spread legs and silicone boobs. The price in the sex industry never reflects the quality of service. For a prostitute any of us as a client "here and now". Pay the money. If you will come back it's good. If you don't come back another client will come. As soon as the prostitute gets the money in her hands, she knows perfectly well that you most likely won't get it back so she can do whatever she wants. And if someone wants to say that when he invites girls home and pays her money after the service, then yes, some of the girls will work better, but the problem is in this case, any client takes a 1000 x more risk because he can be drugd, have problems with police, If suddenly a prostitute says that you wanted to rape her or something like that, which can happen easily and simply. In this case, try to guess what will happen. Even if you have a regular prostitute whom you know, and she has already served you many times, her personal situation can easily and simply change for the worse. And then she can try to solve her problems at your expense. And don't forget that you are sitting in a foreign country and even the police will see you as an asshole who fucks their women. While they can't afford it.

My personal opinion First. It's the girl's attitude = quality of service. #2 physical shape #3 tight kitty and age. And only #4 beauty.

I am visiting Bogota for the first time, Never been to to Colombia before. I am a regular visitor to Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia.

Had few days off thought why not try Colombia this time. I am not asking where to find a women, I got that part. But have some questions from.

Expert Bogota fellows.

1- I don't want to bring my phone, and will bring burner phone. Where would suggest me to buy a Sim card? At the airport or?

2- Should I carry $$ with me or use ATM at the airport?

3- Should I get an Airbnb in Zona Rosa or near Santa Fe?

Flight is booked and looking to have great time in Bogota.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2950612]I am visiting Bogota for the first time, Never been to to Colombia before. I am a regular visitor to Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia.

Had few days off thought why not try Colombia this time. I am not asking where to find a women, I got that part. But have some questions from.

Expert Bogota fellows.

1- I don't want to bring my phone, and will bring burner phone. Where would suggest me to buy a Sim card? At the airport or?

2- Should I carry $$ with me or use ATM at the airport?

3- Should I get an Airbnb in Zona Rosa or near Santa Fe?

Flight is booked and looking to have great time in Bogota.[/QUOTE]You've heard too much advice. Now divide everything by 10. Bogota has 10 million people and everyone uses phones even small children. No one here kills for a phone. Don't bring the latest model, bring something older ans cheaper. You can rent an airbnb or you can stay in a hotel. Close to Santa Fe is better, because there are 10 times more girls in one place. You won't have to waste time running around the city because don't think that beautiful girls are waiting for you at the casas. As for currency, you can exchange 100 dollars at the airport for a taxi and small expenses. My opinion is the most good way is to send yourself money to Colombia through Western Union. You'll plan where you want to live and make sure there's a Western Union office there. I usually send several transfers of 1,000 dollars.

I receive one transfer, I spend it, I receive the next one.

You can buy a sim card at the airport it will be a few dollars more expensive but in this case you will immediately have communication and internet. Using Google Translator you can ask any qustion. In Colombia live normal frendly people as everywhere in the world.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2950612]I am visiting Bogota for the first time, Never been to to Colombia before. I am a regular visitor to Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia.

Had few days off thought why not try Colombia this time. I am not asking where to find a women, I got that part. But have some questions from.

Expert Bogota fellows.

1- I don't want to bring my phone, and will bring burner phone. Where would suggest me to buy a Sim card? At the airport or?

2- Should I carry $$ with me or use ATM at the airport?

3- Should I get an Airbnb in Zona Rosa or near Santa Fe?

Flight is booked and looking to have great time in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Buy a simcard in town as they are more expensive at AP.

$$ ATM is best as you can get 2 million pesos for $3-$5 - changing money is 3-5%.

There are a lot of great AirBNB walking distance to Santa Fe-- Muchas Hombres stay near Santa Fe-- I personally think it is safer as in the North is where you have pro who prey on gringos -- I have lived nnear SF for 12+ yrs.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2950612]I am visiting Bogota for the first time, Never been to to Colombia before. I am a regular visitor to Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia.

Had few days off thought why not try Colombia this time. I am not asking where to find a women, I got that part. But have some questions from.

Expert Bogota fellows.

1- I don't want to bring my phone, and will bring burner phone. Where would suggest me to buy a Sim card? At the airport or?

2- Should I carry $$ with me or use ATM at the airport?

3- Should I get an Airbnb in Zona Rosa or near Santa Fe?

Flight is booked and looking to have great time in Bogota.[/QUOTE]1 and 2. If convenience is key then the airport is the place to do it at. There's a currency conversion right where you pick your bags up on the carousel. Likewise with SIM cards also at the airport. However as woodman pointed out you can save some money doing ATMs and also doing the SIM card in the city. There are a few cell phone shops on Carrera 7 between Calle 23 and 20. You'll need to know some Spanish though as many of the shops don't speak English but the airport location will be good if you have limited Spanish.

3. I can't talk for airbnb but I will say that if a hotel is more your style you can't go wrong with Hotel Ibis Bogota Museo. It's inexpensive for the most part, rooms are fine, it's girl friendly and it's an easy walk to Santa Fe or easy access for the transmillenio or taxi / didi / uber for getting around to the clubs, etc. Coming from Thailand, Malaysia, etc you may find Santa Fe to be "gritty" and some people are okay with that and others are freaked out by it. For the general part it's safe as long as you don't act like an idiot and / or cause trouble. So that's something to keep in mind if you do stay in Santa Fe. For me personally I am okay with it. There are others who find it a turn off.

Have fun and enjoy the Colombian / Venezuelan beauties.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2950612]I am visiting Bogota for the first time, Never been to to Colombia before.
3- Should I get an Airbnb in Zona Rosa or near Santa Fe?
.[/QUOTE]OP, just be aware that Santa Fe is a dump. It is full of drug addicts and tarnsgender streetwalkers. Most of the actual females are fat assed pigs, 5/10 at best. If you don't believe me, look at some of the videos on YouTube, for example Charles Boyer.

One dark night I accidentaly picked up a transgender streetwalker and by the time I realised, he / she / it had already robbed me.

In addition, when I was there in 2022 the club I was in was raided by the cops and we were locked in for an hour or so while the cops searched for who knows what. I was sure glad to get home that night.

Personally I didn't feel safe there after dark.

This place makes Zona Norte in Tijuana look like Beverly Hills.

Don't get me wrong, maybe some people like crawling in the gutter, but once was enough for me.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2951349]OP, just be aware that Santa Fe is a dump. It is full of drug addicts and tarnsgender streetwalkers. Most of the actual females are fat assed pigs, 5/10 at best. If you don't believe me, look at some of the videos on YouTube, for example Charles Boyer.

One dark night I accidentaly picked up a transgender streetwalker and by the time I realised, he / she / it had already robbed me.

In addition, when I was there in 2022 the club I was in was raided by the cops and we were locked in for an hour or so while the cops searched for who knows what. I was sure glad to get home that night.

Personally I didn't feel safe there after dark.

This place makes Zona Norte in Tijuana look like Beverly Hills.

Don't get me wrong, maybe some people like crawling in the gutter, but once was enough for me.[/QUOTE]Try to come to Santa Fe again. Ex; Troy on Friday three 7-8 pm On Februarys and Fiebre 11-12 pm You will see quality girls. I don't want to say that the service will be quality. It all depends on who you are and how they treat you. And at this moment your opinion is based on your single visit. And it means that you are trying to talk about something that you don't know. Or does someone here want to say that in the Bogota's north the stars are bigger and the grass is greener for the mongers? It all depends on how much time you have and how much time you want to spend looking for a girl. If you have a short trip, I think you want to get as many girls as possible in a limited time. You invest time and money in your trip = $$ (air tickets, hotel, etc) How smart is to save a few $$ by looking for a kiosk where they sell SIM cards for 1 dollar cheaper? = spending a few hours on it. Or how smart is it to drive across the whole city, if you saw a beautiful picture on the website? As a rule, the picture is fake or outdated = you will arrive to a small disappointment. You are not the first, not the last, they know what to say to calm you down, for example, the girl is busy or went to eat.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2951349]Don't get me wrong, maybe some people like crawling in the gutter[/QUOTE]I live in the gutter!

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2951349]OP, just be aware that Santa Fe is a dump. It is full of drug addicts and tarnsgender streetwalkers. Most of the actual females are fat assed pigs, 5/10 at best. If you don't believe me, look at some of the videos on YouTube, for example Charles Boyer.

One dark night I accidentaly picked up a transgender streetwalker and by the time I realised, he / she / it had already robbed me.

In addition, when I was there in 2022 the club I was in was raided by the cops and we were locked in for an hour or so while the cops searched for who knows what. I was sure glad to get home that night.

Personally I didn't feel safe there after dark.

This place makes Zona Norte in Tijuana look like Beverly Hills.

Don't get me wrong, maybe some people like crawling in the gutter, but once was enough for me.[/QUOTE]I don't understand the hate toward his comment. Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I went last week to santafe, Wednesday 5:00 pm And I actually agree with his comments. I haven't been there in a long while and the place has really had a turn for the worse. As you know "la piscina" and "el castillo" are closed. Those used to be the best places around with 30+ girls to choose, there was someone for everyone's liking. Not anymore. Went to Atunes and it was dead, there were 3 old women looking at their phones and a few guys having a beer. This place used to be packed on any weekday from 2:00 pm, lots of girls, music, shows. Now there is nothing there. I asked a cute street girl what it would cost and she came and said 70 K for 10 to 15 minutes. I was like WFT, Tantras is 50 K for 30 min with BBBJ included, why is this more than double? Went to paisas, completely dead, went to fiebre and there were a few girls but the prices started in 150 for 20 min. WTF. The place was so dark I could barely see the girls faces.

Outside it looks run down, dirty, several places are closed and up for sale, lots of cooking on the streets so it smells like burning meat and there is lots of smoke. Oh and it is tru there are drug addics or homeless lying around. On the positive side there is lots of police around so that helps with the sense of security.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2951654]I don't understand the hate toward his comment. Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I went last week to santafe, Wednesday 5:00 pm And I actually agree with his comments. I haven't been there in a long while and the place has really had a turn for the worse. As you know "la piscina" and "el castillo" are closed. Those used to be the best places around with 30+ girls to choose, there was someone for everyone's liking. Not anymore. Went to Atunes and it was dead, there were 3 old women looking at their phones and a few guys having a beer. This place used to be packed on any weekday from 2:00 pm, lots of girls, music, shows. Now there is nothing there. I asked a cute street girl what it would cost and she came and said 70 K for 10 to 15 minutes. I was like WFT, Tantras is 50 K for 30 min with BBBJ included, why is this more than double? Went to paisas, completely dead, went to fiebre and there were a few girls but the prices started in 150 for 20 min. WTF. The place was so dark I could barely see the girls faces.

Outside it looks run down, dirty, several places are closed and up for sale, lots of cooking on the streets so it smells like burning meat and there is lots of smoke. Oh and it is tru there are drug addics or homeless lying around. On the positive side there is lots of police around so that helps with the sense of security.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. The place is a dump. No sane, well off person from a western country would stay there, let alone live nearby. Drugs, feces, trash, crime. Is this the environment one is really looking for coming from a 1st world country? Unless you are a lowlife collecting social security.

I've been to Medellin 10+ times in the last two years and cartagena once (which was enough for me LOL). Me and some friends are planning a trip to one of these three cities and it's currently up for debate. Here's what we prioritize:

1. P4 P scene (Obviously) - How good is the p4 p scene on the streets and amount of good looking women available (ie poblado: blending in with nightlife, relatively safe mongering scene).

2. Upscale restaurant availability - (ie Carmen, other poblado joints, and envigado).

3. Cost. Average cost of drinks, women, food. On average, how do the three compare?

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2951349]One dark night I accidentaly picked up a transgender streetwalker and by the time I realised, he / she / it had already robbed me.
.[/QUOTE]Of all the girls there, how on earth did you manage to confuse a transgender with a girl?? Do tell.

While you're keyboard warrior'ing it I just had my dick shoved down the back of a tiny, little 22 year old cuties throat before banging her in the "hanging garden" position because she was so easy to pick up and looking at me like wtf is happening while her pussy gets wet and then unloading on her little tits for 120 k ($30-35 usd)+30 k tip. Throw in 3 beers at 20 k each and a taxi ride to and from hotel ibis at 15 k each comes up to a grand total of $240 k. Not on social security but that was a fun $60'ish night. To each their own and if you choose to stay home and / or visit somewhere else all I can say is thank you for keeping Bogota inexpensive for pussy.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2951693]I totally agree. The place is a dump. No sane, well off person from a western country would stay there, let alone live nearby. Drugs, feces, trash, crime. Is this the environment one is really looking for coming from a 1st world country? Unless you are a lowlife collecting social security.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RyckII;2951654]I don't understand the hate toward his comment. Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I went last week to santafe, Wednesday 5:00 pm And I actually agree with his comments. I haven't been there in a long while and the place has really had a turn for the worse. As you know "la piscina" and "el castillo" are closed. Those used to be the best places around with 30+ girls to choose, there was someone for everyone's liking. Not anymore. Went to Atunes and it was dead, there were 3 old women looking at their phones and a few guys having a beer. This place used to be packed on any weekday from 2:00 pm, lots of girls, music, shows. Now there is nothing there. I asked a cute street girl what it would cost and she came and said 70 K for 10 to 15 minutes. I was like WFT, Tantras is 50 K for 30 min with BBBJ included, why is this more than double? Went to paisas, completely dead, went to fiebre and there were a few girls but the prices started in 150 for 20 min. WTF. The place was so dark I could barely see the girls faces.

Outside it looks run down, dirty, several places are closed and up for sale, lots of cooking on the streets so it smells like burning meat and there is lots of smoke. Oh and it is tru there are drug addics or homeless lying around. On the positive side there is lots of police around so that helps with the sense of security.[/QUOTE]Wednesday at 5:00 pm is not a good time to go. Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays and even Wednesdays are generally slower. Generally the clubs are dead before 7 pm or so. Even 7 pm might be too early for the smaller clubs. Atunes has never been the same since the pandemic. Used to be a reliable daytime spot, now I'd be surprised if it were around in a couple years. 70 k is high for a street girl. She probably didn't like the way you look. Or something else about you. Nothing personal. I wouldn't judge santa fe based on a solo visit at 5 pm on a Wednesday. Theres honestly no other place like it I've experienced in all my years of mongering.

I usually do long all in one trip reports but they end up being too wordy and long so here's a daily one. I've been to Bogota now 4-5 times. I'm losing count a bit. For Latin America it seems to be a sweet spot for me between being inexpensive, easy to get to (for me) with cheap flights and a good influx of girls in a relatively small confined spot of Santa Fe. This time though I decided to branch out a bit and try one of the casas (Tantras spa). I've done other reports with basic how to's of the city and recently TomJackin did a thoroughly good one as well so I won't bore with details safe to say check out my other posts and toms one for basic info.

Tantras Spa.

In Tomjackins post he appears to have gone to the black building on the corner which is also called Tantras. I don't really get it but they appear to be the same "owners" but different. For the actual Tantras spa it is literally a tiny little doorway inset between two shops. If you type Tantras spa into google maps and look at the street view it will literally point you right at the white doorway between two shops. This is the actual spa entrance. It sounds like the entrance 2-3 shops down in the black painted building is a bar??

Anyways I like to kind of explore the area before going straight there and so I caught an uber from Ibis up to the mall a couple of blocks away. Avenida Chile. It's an easy spot to hail an uber / DiDi to and from plus if you want to grab a drink / ice cream or just freshen up in the restrooms before and after. Anyways bunch of construction on Avenida Carrera 20 so it was a bit convoluted to get there as some streets were closed but eventually there. A guy standing outside the black Tantras Bar entrance shook my hand and I said "Tantras spa chicas" and he walked me over to the small white door entrance and told me to go upstairs. I get the feeling even if there wasn't anyone there you can just open the door and walk in. Once you open the door it's a short walk to some stairs and then you go up. There's a sensor somewhere that rings upstairs when you're coming up and a girl was waiting for me who asked me to sit down in a tiny room for a walkout of the girls. This is a Thursday at 3:30 pm and there were roughly 9-10 girls (I kind of lost count as the rooms small). It was a bit of a squeeze to get all the girls in. Of the roughly 10 that came out about 6 were on the slimmer side, which is what I like, and the other 4 were a bit more curvier if you like that. So something for everyone. I would be happy with at least 5-6 of them. One girl in particular stood out for me but she looked disinterested so I took the next girl I liked (kind of a disservice to say next girl as she was also cute) - Christina. A cute short, slim girl with long black hair and a cute face with a nice button nose. The other girls leave and she motioned me to a room which was being cleaned. She asked me how long I wanted. I don't need an hour so I said treinte minutes and she replied with $50 k. So I paid her then for the $50 and she left and pointed me into the room. She was smiley, bubbly and compliant when she came back. She asked if I wanted extras. I couldn't really make out all of them but she seemed to point to her pussy and said 30 k, tits were 20 k, something about cum in mouth for something else. I sort of got lost in the amounts but I knew BBBJ was included in the 50 k price and to be fair I just wanted that and DFK. I said yes though to everything and it was a fun experience. Loads of DFK, which for me is amazing. A lot of DATY as well that moved into 69 with BBBJ and then banged her doggy and forward / reverse cowgirl. I think I paid for the CIM but I couldn't be fucked moving and her pussy felt good so I just busted in the condom. She was a fun girl with a good attitude and honestly if all the girls at Tantras are like this it may be my go to spot as the quality of girls there were perfect to my slimmer liking. All in all for 30 minutes, BBBJ, DATY, DFK and I think if you wanted it CIM it was $150 k. I tipped her $50 k for a total of $200 k.

After that I walked back over to the mall, grabbed some frozen yoghurt, watched some of the Colombia Bolivia soccer game and got an uber back to ibis. Good times. After last night and today's ventures I'm not sure if I'll go down to SF but probably in the end FOMO will push me down there.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2951947]Wednesday at 5:00 pm is not a good time to go. Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays and even Wednesdays are generally slower. Generally the clubs are dead before 7 pm or so. [/QUOTE]Maybe for clubs. But I went 3 weeks ago on a Wednesday morning at 10 am and the streets were jumping. I have never seen it so lively. You would have thought it was a Friday night. I think I have my new schedule for going. I will go tomorrow morning and see if it is the same.

I'm back bitches.

Just wanted to pitch in on the recent posts complaining about pricings in SF clubs. I think once you've been around all of the Caribbean incl DR and Cuba, and now in South America incl Col, CR, Ecuador, Brazil, you'll realize Colombia has pretty much no competition. So do some researches and stop complaining. Brazil is great vs Col but it's further and costs more to travel there, hence Colombia wins.

It seems Col Migration loves me here LOL. Spent Jan and Feb here, then 3 months in Bra, and back to Col since end of June and visa already extended to end of December which will total 8 months this year in Colombia. With this much time, almost yearly recently, I think I can speak on pricings.

Street SF girls ask from 40 k to 60 k for a rato (15-20 min). I offer my favoritas 100 k for 30 minutes, but pussy gets so good I often finish in 15-20 still LOL. But happy to pay them a bit more. In the clubs yes it is 150 K in Fiebre, some girls in Paisa and Troya want 120, some want 150, all for 15-20 minutes. Atunes used to be ok, but now it's mostly some old women there, couple doable ones, also 120 k+. Venus is recommended, some cute young girls that gives free lap dances, me at least LOL. One danced on my dick for almost an hour, I only bought her 1 drink; unlike Paisa, Fiebre, Troya, 50 k or so for dance. Venus also does not own and control the girls like the others, most are freelancers and most also walk the streets. Pricings 70-120 20-30 minutes, negotiable and each girl have their own pricing. Inside isn't as nice as the other clubs but still ok. In the clubs I say it's worth it since you are sitting and enjoying a conversation, drinking, music, taking their time etc. Usually my dick gets extra hard when they sit in front of me with those miniskirts, rub on their thighs and them feeling on my shit. So it's not fair to compare that to the street pricings. Teasing and foreplay brings a whole lot more fun in sex. Or building some chemistry in general. Shit gets very intense and If you know you know.

I always say this for fun messing w you chomps, like if you only go to SF and or a casa only to bang in 15-30 minutes during your entire vaca or time here, then it means you are spending the other 23 and half hours alone in your hotel LOL. What is the point of traveling and cannot interact with women or people? To actually sit the fuck down and enjoy a drink, convo, dance, smile, get to know people. And yes you pay, and even feed some strangers once in a while. Not only pay for your dates, pay someone's meal by surprise while they eat or in line, their coffee, or beer once in a while and show them that "LOS gringos son caballeros", I learned that from a old white gringo dude that said that to a local years ago. I thought that was badass, like represent hard where you're from man. I must say I have met some real gents during my travels.

I say this directly and especially to the complainers. Because aint no way you are taking friends and girls out to eat, drinking, which BTW costs more than 150 k at times when you're whining about sex that's already cheap LOL.

Now I understand some of yall on SSI and retirement income, have lost many senses including how to be romantic. But don't complain because there's something for everyone. Like when you're in the states, do you go into a Porsche or Corvette dealer and complain about the cars being too expensive at 80 k USD or more? No, just head to a used buy here pay here car lot to get your 1985 Oldsmobile for 2500 USD that you can afford. Like they say here all the time "Stay in your lane".

Besides, 150 k is literally $37, and that's cheaper than the DR, CR or anywhere except for Ecuador, which isn't the same quality and a bit dangerous now. The 60 k.

($15) ones, those are pretty much free. I don't care what career you had back home, even if you worked at McDonalds or very poor aint no way yall should be complaining. If you go anywhere in Europe you'll spend a minimum of $150 USD for a decent wg, even in Thailand or entire SE Asia is more expensive than SA.

About Tantra Spa, it's still one of the best value casas in town, good lineup always, usually half of the dozen presented are 7+, seen a 9 there recently. Goddamm. 50 k for 30 minutes, and 50 k+ for extras like BBBJ kissing CIM etc. If you smell good, look nice, she will offer other stuff and actually get into it. Or maybe I always get lucky to get the pretty ones that are actual freaks to get into the session, real moans, and real DFK. I can't help you in that area. It's so funny how during a session foreplay while kissing, a girl would offer me CIM and for a second in my head I'm thinking damnn, she swallows and I'm kissing her like this? But she's so beautiful and passionate that the nasty thought disappeared within seconds, and I continued LOL. Fuck it, even real GF and wives have swallowed some dude nuts before we get them LOL.

Anyhow I always pay for an HR 100 k + the extras plus tip totaling 200 k. I exch numbers w few and have gotten 3 somes in private motels. I get that by treating them right, incl the girls in SF. Hanging w two local novias that I met, waitresses from restaurants, and life is grand. Will write about other fav casas soon.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952425]I say this directly and especially to the complainers. Because aint no way you are taking friends and girls out to eat, drinking, which BTW costs more than 150 k at times when you're whining about sex that's already cheap LOL.

Now I understand some of yall on SSI and retirement income, have lost many senses including how to be romantic. But don't complain because there's something for everyone. Like when you're in the states, do you go into a Porsche or Corvette dealer and complain about the cars being too expensive at 80 k USD or more? No, just head to a used buy here pay here car lot to get your 1985 Oldsmobile for 2500 USD that you can afford. Like they say here all the time "Stay in your lane".

Besides, 150 k is literally $37, and that's cheaper than the DR, CR or anywhere except for Ecuador, which isn't the same quality and a bit dangerous now. The 60 k.

($15) ones, those are pretty much free. I don't care what career you had back home, even if you worked at McDonalds or very poor aint no way yall should be complaining. If you go anywhere in Europe you'll spend a minimum of $150 USD for a decent wg, [B] even in Thailand or entire SE Asia is more expensive than SA.[/B]
[/QUOTE]Actually I'm currently on my first South East Asia trip right now bro. I spent August and September in Pattaya Thailand and I'm in Philippines now and will be heading to Jakarta, Indonesia next. In my experience you can get good working girls for short time in your room / airbnb for about $50-60 usd and by short time that can be anything from 1 to 3 hours. Also this includes BBBJ (pretty much standard in Thailand) and BBFS if you push for it (I always do LOL). Now in the Philippines I'd say it's closer to the $60 usd for the same thing also pretty easy to get BBFS here too.

But the real place in SEA that is of comparable price to Colombia is Jakarta, Indonesia. I've been doing research since April and they have this massive hotel / brother / Spa all connected together in the same building, it's called Classic. And they literally have an entire floor that's like a bar / brothel called classic terminal that has over 240 working girls all lined up sitting on couches and get this it costs only $23 usd per hour session and they offer 2 girls at a time for for $32 usd per hour session. I think that makes Jakarta a good deal and definitely competition for Colombia. And that's just one fucking place there are many other bar brothels and gentlemen clubs all over Jakarta. I'll be there in 2 weeks so I'll let you guys know how it really is.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952425]Usually my dick gets extra hard when they sit in front of me with those miniskirts, rub on their thighs and them feeling on my shit. So it's not fair to compare that to the street pricings. Teasing and foreplay brings a whole lot more fun in sex. Or building some chemistry in general. Shit gets very intense and If you know you know.[/QUOTE]To me it does nothing. We already know the girls are there to get money. All that shit they are doing is just saying hurry up with the cash. Like Exotic was saying in his Medellin report, sure you may arrange for an hour, but as soon as you bust she is up to put on her clothes and out of there. My sweet spot with a hooker is more the after treatment, not the before.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952425]Like when you're in the states, do you go into a Porsche or Corvette dealer and complain about the cars being too expensive at 80 k USD or more? No, just head to a used buy here pay here car lot to get your 1985 Oldsmobile for 2500 USD that you can afford. Like they say here all the time "Stay in your lane".[/QUOTE]Of course I do. That is how I talk them down. I am not there to pay what I can afford; I am there trying to pay what they will accept. Car dealers and hookers alike.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2952492] classic terminal that has over 240 working girls all lined up sitting on couches and get this it costs only $23 usd per hour session and they offer 2 girls at a time for for $32 usd per hour session. -Gabacho.[/QUOTE]What's the airfare from the east coast of US? $2,000 and 1.5 travel days each way?

I told my barber it only cost $2.25 for a haircut in the Philippines and he asked me what was the cost for the airplane ticket to get there!

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2952608]What's the airfare from the east coast of US? $2,000 and 1.5 travel days each way?

I told my barber it only cost $2.25 for a haircut in the Philippines and he asked me what was the cost for the airplane ticket to get there![/QUOTE]By that logic, you should also ask your barber how much he pays for pussy on the east coast. Go to PH, get laid by 5 or 6 girls multiple times and I bet you're probably in the black. Reality is a bit more nuanced than that, but you get the idea.

Just a quick hit here-- I was in Chapinero a couple of nights walking around. There are a few strip club / brothels in the area I went to one on Calle 61 (see photo) there were 6-8 girls 2 were really hot I got quoted $200 mil did not really get into any particulars. In that area are a few more-- I think it's pretty safe I used to live in that area for a year or so. Of course my Go-to is Santa Fe.

Video of Chapinero Love Motels [URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/kaxkxlsdVi4[/URL].

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2952608]What's the airfare from the east coast of US? $2,000 and 1.5 travel days each way?

I told my barber it only cost $2.25 for a haircut in the Philippines and he asked me what was the cost for the airplane ticket to get there![/QUOTE]Nit sure about the east coast but I got all the way from the west coast to Thailand (SFO to BKK) for like $600 on a cheap Taiwanese airline called China Air. I only bought one way plus onward to another country not round-trip but the add on to Indonesia was $80. So not sure where you getting the $2000 from.

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[QUOTE=Gabacho;2952492]Actually I'm currently on my first South East Asia trip right now bro. I spent August and September in Pattaya Thailand and I'm in Philippines now and will be heading to Jakarta, Indonesia next. In my experience you can get good working girls for short time in your room / airbnb for about $50-60 usd and by short time that can be anything from 1 to 3 hours. Also this includes BBBJ (pretty much standard in Thailand) and BBFS if you push for it (I always do LOL). Now in the Philippines I'd say it's closer to the $60 usd for the same thing also pretty easy to get BBFS here too.

But the real place in SEA that is of comparable price to Colombia is Jakarta, Indonesia. I've been doing research since April and they have this massive hotel / brother / Spa all connected together in the same building, it's called Classic. And they literally have an entire floor that's like a bar / brothel called classic terminal ththas over 240 working girls all lined up sitting on couches and get this it costs only $23 usd per hour session and they offer 2 girls at a time for for $32 usd per hour session. I think that makes Jakarta a good deal and definitely competition for Colombia. And that's just one fucking place there are many other bar brothels and gentlemen clubs all over Jakarta. I'll be there in 2 weeks so I'll let you guys know how it really is.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I haven't been to Indonesia yet and I read many travelers do go there when their Thailand visa exp. They'd go there to reset and go back. But now I'm going to take advantage of the new 6 mos visa Thailand is offering, just have to prove certain amt of asset. But I was referring to the main typical first stops like Bangkok and Pattaya, where wg starting rates are highr vs Col. BK is the best first stop flying from FL since flight are cheaper up to half the cost going to Pattaya directly.

If your still out there first quarter of '25 I'll reach out. Since I can now have longer trips, Indonesia, Cambodia, Malaysia and of course Philippines are all on the sched. But as good as Colombia is we got to try something else after a while. I really wanted to head to Europe or Asia right after Brazil but Col pulled me back, and finally I'm ready to bounce. Enough chicas for now LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2952597]To me it does nothing. We already know the girls are there to get money. All that shit they are doing is just saying hurry up with the cash. Like Exotic was saying in his Medellin report, sure you may arrange for an hour, but as soon as you bust she is up to put on her clothes and out of there. My sweet spot with a hooker is more the after treatment, not the before.

Of course I do. That is how I talk them down. I am not there to pay what I can afford; I am there trying to pay what they will accept. Car dealers and hookers alike.[/QUOTE]All I can do is laugh. You and I def can be friends to crack jokes. Bruh, you would walk in a new Porsche dealership with 2500 usd in your pocket hoping to negotiate?

Damn, how the heck can I argue with you man? I used take you seriously a while ago, but now I know you're just messing with me and people here. All good bro LMAO.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2952597]To me it does nothing. We already know the girls are there to get money. All that shit they are doing is just saying hurry up with the cash. Like Exotic was saying in his Medellin report, sure you may arrange for an hour, but as soon as you bust she is up to put on her clothes and out of there. My sweet spot with a hooker is more the after treatment, not the before.

Of course I do. That is how I talk them down. I am not there to pay what I can afford; I am there trying to pay what they will accept. Car dealers and hookers alike.[/QUOTE]Not everything is negotiable. The term "stay in your lane" isn't meant to be offensive, rather it is also about how much you're willing to spend on whatever. Even rich people have budgets, so no need for absurd comments displaying your negotiating skills.

Last week I met an actual state attorney on Bumble who wanted to go out, works in Centro but only wanted to go to zona g. We all know it's the most expensive area of Bogota. So if your visiting SF, you can bring 200 k or less in your pocket and it will be enough; but going on dates in those areas I carry at least 600 k in cash plus my CC. Dinner in one spot, some wine in another spot and I'm already at 300 k. Done it a few times with real quality non pros that I pursue. Not just on dates, there are tons of high-class strip clubs in that area that will cost you a min 500 k. So would you negotiate in those places if you only had 100-200 k in your pocket? FK out of here man. But like I said to you lately I don't take you seriously. And it's not just me.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952716]All I can do is laugh. You and I def can be friends to crack jokes. Bruh, you would walk in a new Porsche dealership with 2500 usd in your pocket hoping to negotiate?

Damn, how the heck can I argue with you man? I used take you seriously a while ago, but now I know you're just messing with me and people here. All good bro LMAO.[/QUOTE]Your post did not say walk in with 2500 hoping to negotiate. Your post said walk into the dealer and complain about the cars being too expensive, which is actually the beginning of a negotiation. You literally would not need any money in your pocket to negotiate a cheaper price though. Maybe you think you are saying something that you are not.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2952805]Your post did not say walk in with 2500 hoping to negotiate. Your post said walk into the dealer and complain about the cars being too expensive, which is actually the beginning of a negotiation. You literally would not need any money in your pocket to negotiate a cheaper price though. Maybe you think you are saying something that you are not.[/QUOTE]My point was well made and clear. Bottom line if you can't afford a price that's already cheap in a Bogota strip club where you can bang for $30, where that wouldn't even be enough for a lap dance back home then your in the wrong hobby- those that complain. Or just stick to the $10-$15 options from the street. It's cheesy to be whining about it.

But somehow Mr E you are always the know-it-all guy to spin and twist a simple logic. You are in every forum posting in places you never even go, arguing with everyone with the most nonsense posts as you did now.

Not a troll necessarily but it's almost as if you're a paid shitposter to get dudes to debate and increase the site views perhaps? Like you work full time here 365 days a yr doing this? Lmao. As you can see I can stay away from here 3 -6 mos or longer at times and have an actual life. I suggest you get one bud.

One of the real vets on here imd me once and said some people here have mult accts and even reply to themselves LOL. I can't.

If someone say oh, there are prices for everyone's budgets: Wg in A zone is x amt, Wg in be zone is x amt. That's a simple fact that doesn't require a debate. But you're like. Oh I bet I can get Wg from zone be and negotiate A pricing LOL, while beating your chest LOL. Wtfever dude.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952720]Last week I met an actual state attorney on Bumble who wanted to go out, works in Centro but only wanted to go to zona g. We all know it's the most expensive area of Bogota. So if your visiting SF, you can bring 200 k or less in your pocket and it will be enough; but going on dates in those areas I carry at least 600 k in cash plus my CC. Dinner in one spot, some wine in another spot and I'm already at 300 k. Done it a few times with real quality non pros that I pursue. Not just on dates, there are tons of high-class strip clubs in that area that will cost you a min 500 k. So would you negotiate in those places if you only had 100-200 k in your pocket? FK out of here man. But like I said to you lately I don't take you seriously. And it's not just me.[/QUOTE]I would not negotiate in a restaurant. In a strip club of course I would negotiate for a hooker.

I have been dating an actual judge for a couple of years. Friday night I asked her where she wanted to go and she did not know. We ended up going to a dive spot in Teusaquillo eating fried chicken for 30,000 pesos. If I am going somewhere other than Santa Fe then I only take a little more money than is needed for the Indrive. I scan my phone for payment everywhere I go, so there is no need for me to have 600,000 pesos in cash or physical cards on me. This is 2024!

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952880]But somehow Mr E you are always the know-it-all guy to spin and twist a simple logic. You are in every forum posting in places you never even go, arguing with everyone with the most nonsense posts as you did now.[/QUOTE]Nobody put any spin on anything. If you are trying to say something, then do not say something that does not mean what you are trying to say. Words mean something. You do not get to use raggedy communication, then assume everyone knows what you are meaning to say, even though that is not what you wrote.

I have never posted in the forum of a place that I do not go. Show that post. Yeah you probably do not want to waste your time with it though because it is not true.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952425]
About Tantra Spa, it's still one of the best value casas in town, good lineup always, usually half of the dozen presented are 7+, seen a 9 there recently. Goddamm. 50 k for 30 minutes, and 50 k+ for extras like BBBJ kissing CIM etc. If you smell good, look nice, she will offer other stuff and actually get into it. [/QUOTE]100% agree. Back for a 2nd day there and this time went with Loretta. Another slim 21 year old with fantastic tits. Of the roughly 10-12 that came out honestly would be happy with any 1 of them but 3-4 particularly checked my needs. 50 k paid up front for the 30 minutes. Someone had mentioned that BBBJ is part of that 50 k but since I've always wanted the extras I just say specify that I want DATY, DFK, BBBJ and CIM. Loretta was a bit more mechanical than my previous visit with Christina but she still went to town on the BBBJ, spread her legs open wide for me to DATY and sat on me bouncing away with vigor but in reverse cowgirl I had to do more of the work as she either was getting tired or just not hugely into it. At the end she said it was only $80 k for the extras but just gave her the $100 k so 20 k of that was propina. So to summarize, $150 k for 30 minutes of BBBJ, DATY, DFK, multiple positions and CIM. Went back there yesterday (Monday) but it was closed for Day of the Races holiday.

I agree with MaddTraveler on nearly all points. I think the point you are getting at is frugal doesn't mean cheap -- another way of "stay in your lane" perhaps. It's a very different experience in SF vs a GF or GFE including dinner, drinks and TLN elsewhere. You can use the car analogy sure, but I think the restaurant analogy is better. There are all kinds of ways to eat in Colombia, from things you can buy on the street to world class dining. While it is true you can get an experience that is a very good or very poor value, overall it is a very lot less expensive than US or Europe if you are trying to compare like for like. It is equally true WG and restaurants.

Some people only want to eat at some only want local street food, McDonalds (which exists in Locombia), some want only Michelin level. And some are like me that want and can afford a variety.

I do highly encourage all visitors to try the restaurant scene in BOG and, if you are into the hobby, as a second date I encourage extending a TLN to include dinner and drinks before. If pro or semipro, negotiate the TLN rate first and then propose starting earlier but including dinner and a drink.

I do have a little quibble with this:

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952720] wanted to go out, works in Centro but only wanted to go to zona g. We all know it's the most expensive area of Bogota. So if your visiting SF, you can bring 200 k or less in your pocket and it will be enough; but going on dates in those areas I carry at least 600 k in cash plus my CC. Dinner in one spot, some wine in another spot and I'm already at 300 k. [/QUOTE]Zona G is NOT the most expensive area of the city.

Yes, Zona G does have a few of the most expensive restaurants in the city: LEO, El Chato, Cielo. But there many others in Zona G not at that level of cost and quality. For me the most expensive area of the city for a date of any type is Zona T (around CC Andino and CC Atlantis). In Zona T there are some good restaurants for sure, but there are also a few which for me aren't high value for money -- specifically Andres Carne de Res and anything inside Andino). In addition to the restaurants, there is also the shopping. Taking a date or WG there is a big mistake as you are going to waste time, money or both. Also, for non pro you need to know what they will appreciate and be comfortable with. I've seen some WGs become really intimidated by fancy restaurants, come dressed inappropriately, or intentionally order the most expensive thing on the menu just because they could. I generally don't go to a good restaurant until 2nd meeting.

Nonpro tip: use a trip to Zona T or any big CC as a litmus test early in a relationship. Go to a Crepes or Wok in any big CC and see how much time they burn in stores just looking, or how many things they want you to buy for them. That will often foreshadow things to come. Atlantis, Unicentro, Grand Estacion, Plaza Central are all better for that test than Andino.

Now I am hungry.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2952902] I have been dating an actual judge for a couple of years. Friday night I asked her where she wanted to go and she did not know. We ended up going to a dive spot in Teusaquillo eating fried chicken for 30,000 pesos. [/QUOTE]LOL. I have repeated that same experience countless times. And I think I have some insight that applies to many Colombianas but not all.

Sometimes the "I don't know" comes from the latin gender roles. It's the man's role to pick the place because he will be paying and it would be impolite otherwise. But after a couple years you get comfortable with each other, she will become comfortable to express her thoughts. But still the "I don't know" reappears LOL.

For other Colombians, depending on their background, they may go out to eat rarely outside their neighborhood and / or only dine out with family. It doesn't actually correlate with socioeconomic status.

While there are exceptions, anyone dating a nonpro Rolla more than 2 weeks knows about family dinners. If you want a long term relationship, it is to be expected and is obligatory. Pretty much an insult if you say no and would be the end of the relationship for many. You can predict that early on with a few questions during idle getting to know you phase: ask what she does for vacations. LOL. Probably family vacations, ask what family members go together and where they go. It could be just immediate family, but really often it includes 3 generations, and "primos". You can also ask to tell her about what she did for her last birthday. Or her mother's or sister's last birthday.

I got a chick up in Riohacha that wants to get tag teamed if 2 friends are up for it. Also can do one on one. Please PM me for details. No $ involved.

When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?

I've been having a good time in Bogota for the past few days. I would love to meet another BM if anybody is interested to hang out. I'm not a newbie I'm know Bogota well and I go to avienda de mayo not just clubs in Santa Fe or 93. Pm me if anyone wants to grab a dinner or drink. I am in town for a few more days.

Santa Fe last night was hopping. Fiebre and Troya had the best chicas. There was a huge contingent of police with big white police bus parked in front of one of the clubs. Everything else was business as usual.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2953998]When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?[/QUOTE]There is only a little slowdown following Christmas. Most Venezuelanas have no home to go back to or no ability to do go and return. Many Colombianas keep working because they need the money and customers are still there.

I've not done a statistical study in SF or other clubs, but it feels like a 30% drop. For both chicas and customers. That was gut feel, I looked back to the daily lineup from La Celestina for something quantitative. A "normal" day is between 60 to 110 chicas. During the first week of January, this dips as low as 40 on a Sunday or Monday / festivo, but it's often between 50 and 90.

I don't think success depends on the quantity of chicas, rather it is a combination of the ratio chicas: clientes and your ability to select well. Also, looks for me are less important to personality and performance.

That said, I am not the best person to ask as I have non-pro options.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2953998]When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?[/QUOTE]You may get a few to return Dec 27/28 but most don't return to work until Jan. 2 or 3 However the best times to visit Bogota or most any Latin American country are the first 2 or even 3 weeks in December before Christmas week. That's when lots of girls are pressing for Christmas money. It's the best time to catch a chipper and sometimes some desperate girls who normally don't work in the hobby. _.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2953998]When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?[/QUOTE]Tuesday January 7th, 2025 after 'el theía de LOS reyes magos' or Epiphany.

Been to Bogota recently. It was trip number 13 for me.

Here is a quick report:

North spa around Calle 80 carrera 14/15 (sensity, via, colorin, lux, absolut). Good line up at lux. Around 10 girls. All very attractive. Been 5 times. 270 k. However service is limited and cold. All girls work and behave the same. Sensity, mixed line up but service and behavior good to very good. I found a girl specifically with whom the fit has been perfect. Colorin, via, absolut: uncertain line up, hit or miss, depends on the day and your luck.

A bit south, nanxiang. Good line up. Around 10-12 girls. I picked up one and that was a good choice. So good that I stayed 2 hours. Girl sexual competencies are incredible. She was willing and was drenched during the 2 hours. I was not expecting much but god, was she good. Can be hit or miss there, all' depend on the girl. I had average to bad experiences in the past.

Chapinero casas: not worth the visit anymore. Was hit or miss before covid but since then, even if there are many casas and many girls, physically very few are doable. 95% vennies coming every day from far south Bogota. You get cheap sex but very poor line up to choose from. I did 2 sessions though. Visited around 15 casas BTW Calle 67 and 58. Did not go to trantra bit more north this time.

In my previous trips I found 2 Colombian girls who were occasional and there were very good but this trip, nothing only poor fatty vennies.

Santa Fe: it has now been at least 3 or 4 years that clubs are not worth visiting. Line up is very stable in troya, Adonis, fièbre. Always the same girls. They make money doing shows, not much with sex. Indeed price are too high, 120/150 a rato. Even Friday and Saturday were surprisingly slow. I have not done any session there. Only a few shows. Met some new girls at atonis but nothing new in the others.

In SF street, it varies a lot. For me it is not really predictable. Some hotties some days, and I mean really hot girls. Most are either average or completely reshaped with surgery but the few hotties are worth a try. I did a few and kept some phone numbers.

Agencies: I m not too much into online things but on the second Sunday I was there, I fancied a session at home. I did a bit of research and choose a girl on la celestina web site. I messaged the agency to set up a visit. Took 2 hours to get a reply probably because we were Sunday. Girl I picked was not available while the site was saying she was. I picked a second one. Same reply. Finally they send me the list of available girls via WhatsApp. I had to look for them 1 by 1 on their site to see the pictures. Half of the names of the list were not corresponding to any profile on their site. The other half were girls physically not very attractive to me. Too much silicone for most of them or too old.

I gave up and finally never did any session with the agency.

North club: I was a Calle 83/85 one night and some touts pushed me to visit some clubs. I think the one I visited was called la mansion. It was 11 pm I was the only customer on a Thursday. There were 2 girls visible at first and then more showed up. On 1 girl was attractive. A young 19 year old extremely sexy. We had a chat and a drink. She proposed a show, 200 k, and you need to take a room 150 k. I laughed and run away. Just 2 drinks and a propina 'para acompanarte' were billed 300 k.

Going to Bogota for a mongering vacation with a cousin, late November.

I am a South East Asia veteran, but a Colombia newbie, so I appreciate help from the experts here.

BTW, I don't speak any Spanish, but I guess I can manage with the translate apps.

First, where to stay questions:

Are most hotels girl friendly?

Do they charge extra if a girl visits?

Is there and advantage in going with AirBNB instead. Isn't less safe to be in AirBNB?

What are Love Motels? Can you stay there or just to meet girls?

Any specific hotel recommendations?

No down to business. Where to find the girls?

Agencies:

I checked out [URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL] and lacelestina. Co. They both look very promising. Per hour cost is almost the same on average (350 K / Hour on average), but multi hour cost seems to be lower at lacelestina. That said, I looked up other website like pasionprepagos, Mileroticos, and Photoprepagos, and I found many girls with nice photos and the cost is way less than erotica and lacelestina like 150 k / hour. What's the catch? Fake pics? Bite and switch?

Clubs:

I wanted to try a couple of clubs, but not sure how it works.

I don't to go there for FS, so my question is do they offer nude lap dancing? If so, do you pay per songs or time with the girl?

Spas:

Looks like Tantra has the best reviews, but you may wait for long time for a room. Is that right?

Any recommendations for other spas?

Recommendations and advice are highly appreciated!

MrBaz.

[QUOTE=MrBaz;2954633]Going to Bogota for a mongering vacation with a cousin, late November.
I am a South East Asia veteran, but a Colombia newbie, so I appreciate help from the experts here.
[/QUOTE]You will do well to read thru this board as well as the maps in "Bogota Lists". It will give you answers to all your questions and more.

So that I don't waste hours re: here are a few answers.

Are most hotels girl friendly?

Historically yes, but post-pandemic, more and more either charge extra or prohibit unregistered guests.

Is there and advantage in going with AirBNB instead. Isn't less safe to be in AirBNB?

The majority of AirBnb in BOG have reception and are as secure if not more secure than many hotels.

MANY AirBnb don't allow unregistered guests. Period. It should say that in the airbnb listing.

What are Love Motels? Can you stay there or just to meet girls?

For Colombian couples who often live with their parents. But they also serves well for meeting novias of all types. Or for foreigners who have issues with either of the above. They charge by the hour and with big discounts for multi hour stays, but they are not a substitute for a real hotel unless you are in town 1 night and leave your bags at the airport. Some seedy, but most are not. They are cleaned thoroughly between guests (but check google review specifically for this). You can often get a room with a jacuzzi for a little more. HIGHLY recommended but make sure your chica is up for it.

Now down to business. Where to find the girls?

Read the forum, specifically check the guides.

Agencies:

[URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL] - I never have used because their cost is way too high. I have heard mixed results.

Lacelestina. Co. Largest high end agency in the city. By far. On most days there are over 100 in the lineup. MANY of the girls don't have pix on their site and many on the site, even those saying available are NOT necessarily available that day. If you really want a specific chica, you can usually reserve a few days in advance. For same day, tell them your requirements by telegram or whatsapp and they will give you a good match and perhaps supply a few pix. Lacele is highly reliable apart from major traffic. You also are unlikely to be upcharged or have your time cut short.

Mileroticos, and Photoprepagos: most but not all posts on these sites are independents. Your mileage will vary. A LOT. Since you have not been in Locombia before, I suggest avoiding Mileroticos altogether. Photoprepagos can be very good, but your mileage will vary. Also delays or no shows can occurr. All messages thru whatsapp.

Lots of club and spa info elsewhere. Latin america also has concept of casas (houses). These are exactly that. Houses or apartments. Some have a line up, some are like a very small club. But most are a house which has zero markings outside. Many of the casas advertise on mileroticos or photoprepagos. Sometimes you communicate directly with the chica and sometimes with the casa. .

GFE isn't for everyone. But if it is for you, I think Colombia the best in the world. Some say SE Asia or Brazil. Those don't do it for me.

So this thread, *and hopefully your detailed replies*, are about tactics to maximize GFE.

*Sourcing (where):

Very low probability: SF, SWs just too transactional in my experience. Sure some of you find gems.

Low probability: casas, mezanine, non-Chapinero clubs.

Moderate: chapinero clubs.

Moderate +: PhotoPrepagos, Facebook, a few of the better agencies.

Tip: Photoprepagos now has audio for some posts. The tone and word choice will tell you a lot.

SemiPro / NonPro: Pre-pandemic, ColombiaCupido and a few sites like it were really popular. I think they have declined a lot in popularity. Anyone still using that or the sugardaddy sites?

IMHO, the best source for SemiPro / NonPro is offline in the real world. If you don't speak Spanish, check Gringo Tuesdays.

Also good are just trying your game in pretty much any store, shopping center, or restaurant.

Other reccomendations?

*How:

Some are just good at GFE roleplay. But of course it depends on chemistry. And repeat business.

My recco is first meeting for an hour. Tell them you want full GFE, that you want to get to know a little about her.

Have some good topics to discuss. If there is chemistry, propose a TLN with dinner for your next meeting.

If things are going well, I have put the carrot of future meetings / TLN as a possibility after the first 15 minutes to make that session even better.

Nonpro. It's called dating. Lookup dating tips for latinas. Also research a lot about Colombian customs. There are a few good books, specifically CultureSmart Colombia.

Looking forward to your experience and advice.

You should go back and read the forums. Go back at least 100 pages, better yet 200 pages. And then come back with any questions you might have. All the info is here for you as a free gift from the community. Don't be lazy, read the forums. Come back after and I'm sure we'll be happy to answer any remaining questions. Pro tip: Use the search feature. Second pro tip: Learn some spanish. Even if its just the basics.

[QUOTE=MrBaz;2954633]Going to Bogota for a mongering vacation with a cousin, late November.

I am a South East Asia veteran, but a Colombia newbie, so I appreciate help from the experts here.

BTW, I don't speak any Spanish, but I guess I can manage with the translate apps.

First, where to stay questions:

Are most hotels girl friendly?

Do they charge extra if a girl visits?

Is there and advantage in going with AirBNB instead. Isn't less safe to be in AirBNB?

What are Love Motels? Can you stay there or just to meet girls?

Any specific hotel recommendations?

No down to business. Where to find the girls?

Agencies:

I checked out [URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL] and lacelestina. Co. They both look very promising. Per hour cost is almost the same on average (350 K / Hour on average), but multi hour cost seems to be lower at lacelestina. That said, I looked up other website like pasionprepagos, Mileroticos, and Photoprepagos, and I found many girls with nice photos and the cost is way less than erotica and lacelestina like 150 k / hour. What's the catch? Fake pics? Bite and switch?

Clubs:

I wanted to try a couple of clubs, but not sure how it works.

I don't to go there for FS, so my question is do they offer nude lap dancing? If so, do you pay per songs or time with the girl?

Spas:

Looks like Tantra has the best reviews, but you may wait for long time for a room. Is that right?

Any recommendations for other spas?

Recommendations and advice are highly appreciated!

MrBaz.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2954855]You should go back and read the forums. Go back at least 100 pages, better yet 200 pages. And then come back with any questions you might have. All the info is here for you as a free gift from the community. Don't be lazy, read the forums. Come back after and I'm sure we'll be happy to answer any remaining questions. Pro tip: Use the search feature. Second pro tip: Learn some spanish. Even if its just the basics.[/QUOTE]I actually reviewed 10's of pages (didn't make it to 100's) before posting my questions.

Thank you for your tips!

MrBaz.

Does La 49 ("forinai") still exist? I searched for it on Google Maps and I see a dilapidated place. Did they close with Covid? Or I simply missed to remember the exact address?

Thanks!

P.S.: I always RTFF, but if I search "la 49" it does not find anything, which is obviously wrong, because tons or reports were written at least ages ago.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2954822]You will do well to read thru this board as well as the maps in "Bogota Lists". It will give you answers to all your questions and more.

So that I don't waste hours re: here are a few answers.

Are most hotels girl friendly?

Historically yes, but post-pandemic, more and more either charge extra or prohibit unregistered guests.

Is there and advantage in going with AirBNB instead. Isn't less safe to be in AirBNB?

The majority of AirBnb in BOG have reception and are as secure if not more secure than many hotels.

MANY AirBnb don't allow unregistered guests. Period. It should say that in the airbnb listing.

What are Love Motels? Can you stay there or just to meet girls?

For Colombian couples who often live with their parents. But they also serves well for meeting novias of all types. Or for foreigners who have issues with either of the above. They charge by the hour and with big discounts for multi hour stays, but they are not a substitute for a real hotel unless you are in town 1 night and leave your bags at the airport. Some seedy, but most are not. They are cleaned thoroughly between guests (but check google review specifically for this). You can often get a room with a jacuzzi for a little more. HIGHLY recommended but make sure your chica is up for it.

Now down to business. Where to find the girls?

Read the forum, specifically check the guides.

Agencies:

[URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL] - I never have used because their cost is way too high. I have heard mixed results.

Lacelestina. Co. Largest high end agency in the city. By far. On most days there are over 100 in the lineup. MANY of the girls don't have pix on their site and many on the site, even those saying available are NOT necessarily available that day. If you really want a specific chica, you can usually reserve a few days in advance. For same day, tell them your requirements by telegram or whatsapp and they will give you a good match and perhaps supply a few pix. Lacele is highly reliable apart from major traffic. You also are unlikely to be upcharged or have your time cut short.

Mileroticos, and Photoprepagos: most but not all posts on these sites are independents. Your mileage will vary. A LOT. Since you have not been in Locombia before, I suggest avoiding Mileroticos altogether. Photoprepagos can be very good, but your mileage will vary. Also delays or no shows can occurr. All messages thru whatsapp.

Lots of club and spa info elsewhere. Latin america also has concept of casas (houses). These are exactly that. Houses or apartments. Some have a line up, some are like a very small club. But most are a house which has zero markings outside. Many of the casas advertise on mileroticos or photoprepagos. Sometimes you communicate directly with the chica and sometimes with the casa. .[/QUOTE]Thank you so much!! Very informative and it explains many things that I read but I wasn't sure I got it right!!

I saw this story on YouTube, think about it.

In ancient times, the Lord blinded ten men. After some time they came to their Father with a request:

— Everything is there, but something is missing. We're bored.

The Lord gave them the dough and said:

— Let everyone mold a woman in his own image, whatever he likes: plump, thin, tall, small. And I will breathe life into them.

After this, the Lord brought out sugar on a platter and said:

— There are ten pieces here. Let everyone take one and give it to his wife so that life with her will be sweet.

Everyone did just that.

And then the Lord became angry:

— There is a rogue among you, for there were eleven lumps of sugar on the platter. Who took two pieces?

Everyone was silent.

The Lord took their wives from them, mixed them up, and then distributed them to whomever he got.

Since then, nine out of ten men think that someone else's wife is sweeter. Because she ate an extra piece of sugar.

And only one of them knows that all women are the same, because he himself ate the extra lump of sugar.

I had just finished getting my hair cut at the barber shop near the Monaco Building in the South Stroll and was walking up to Calle 20 when I heard a commotion and glass breaking ahead. Alot of screaming and yelling and people were running in all directions and then people started converging on the corner of Calle 20 and Carrera 14. I seen a crowd surrounding a guy on the ground in a pool of blood. What I could see through the crowd was this guy had a hole in his neck and blood was pumping out as he was bleeding out. A terrible scene and chaos to say the least. No police around at all even though they had did a bust on that corner about 30 minutes earlier. At one point it seemed that he had stopped breathing. Multiple people were calling emergency services on their phones but it was too late. You guys that live in Bogota and frequent Santa Fe can confirm this with your sources because I seen it with my own eyes. Be careful out there and be aware.

[QUOTE=MrBaz;2955350]Thank you so much!! Very informative and it explains many things that I read but I wasn't sure I got it right!![/QUOTE]Tinder is still a good place to find part-timers. I have recently met a gorgeous 23 why / o paisa with great tits and great attitude, she works in a normal company as an accountant but has a thing for men in their 40's and wants to receive a "compensation". I took her to a love motel and we had great session with BBBJ and even BBFS, I wanted to come inside her and I think I could have but didn't want to make her upset. I met another girl that manages a small online sport shop, she was from Cali and although it was not as good as the paisa it was still ok, no BBFS but BBBJ was really good. Both are about 400 K for about 3 hours which I think is ok. The thing I like the most is that there are no BS about extras or additionals and mostly everything is on offer. Paisa girl even brought a sexy red mesh full body suit, and she looked stunning.

The issue here is that you need to have good conversation skills, do not offer money up front as they don't like feeling like prostitutes or prepagos, try to be interested and interesting. The paisa girl has some really hot photos on her tinder, but mostly swimming suits, the other girl looked like a normal office girl. I did pay tinder plus or gold, can't remember so you get better matches and can send as many likes as you want.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2956362]Tinder is still a good place to find part-timers. I have recently met a gorgeous 23 why / o paisa with great tits and great attitude, she works in a normal company as an accountant but has a thing for men in their 40's and wants to receive a "compensation". I took her to a love motel and we had great session with BBBJ and even BBFS, I wanted to come inside her and I think I could have but didn't want to make her upset. I met another girl that manages a small online sport shop, she was from Cali and although it was not as good as the paisa it was still ok, no BBFS but BBBJ was really good. Both are about 400 K for about 3 hours which I think is ok. The thing I like the most is that there are no BS about extras or additionals and mostly everything is on offer. Paisa girl even brought a sexy red mesh full body suit, and she looked stunning.

The issue here is that you need to have good conversation skills, do not offer money up front as they don't like feeling like prostitutes or prepagos, try to be interested and interesting. The paisa girl has some really hot photos on her tinder, but mostly swimming suits, the other girl looked like a normal office girl. I did pay tinder plus or gold, can't remember so you get better matches and can send as many likes as you want.[/QUOTE]Damn Ryck, I'll be in Bogota in late Nov. Would love to get info on that first girl if you still have and can share her information. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2955118]Does La 49 ("forinai") still exist? I searched for it on Google Maps and I see a dilapidated place. Did they close with Covid? Or I simply missed to remember the exact address?

Thanks!

P.S.: I always RTFF, but if I search "la 49" it does not find anything, which is obviously wrong, because tons or reports were written at least ages ago.[/QUOTE]49 is dead long ago. There is a similar club on street 65 carrera 13 near the northwest corner. It is called 69 I think. Half a block west is "pussy house", or what is left of it. Most girls ask for 150 K for 20 min which is too much for too little.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2956867]49 is dead long ago. There is a similar club on street 65 carrera 13 near the northwest corner. It is called 69 I think.[/QUOTE]Too bad. Is 69 similar? I mean, such high level? I guess now the best place to go seems to be Santa Fe. What about 1 Mayo? Is still active?

Sorry for such naif questions, but I have not been there for many years. Thank you.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2956305]I had just finished getting my hair cut at the barber shop near the Monaco Building in the South Stroll and was walking up to Calle 20 when I heard a commotion and glass breaking ahead. Alot of screaming and yelling and people were running in all directions and then people started converging on the corner of Calle 20 and Carrera 14. I seen a crowd surrounding a guy on the ground in a pool of blood. What I could see through the crowd was this guy had a hole in his neck and blood was pumping out as he was bleeding out. A terrible scene and chaos to say the least. No police around at all even though they had did a bust on that corner about 30 minutes earlier. At one point it seemed that he had stopped breathing. Multiple people were calling emergency services on their phones but it was too late. You guys that live in Bogota and frequent Santa Fe can confirm this with your sources because I seen it with my own eyes. Be careful out there and be aware.[/QUOTE]A guy I know was attacked by a group of trans whilst walking on Caracas in the same area, blocked the knife to the chest by taking it in the arm. Fucked up his arm but he lived.

Hey everyone, I posted in the hotel forum but doesn't seem to get a lot of traction. Looking for a good apartment (Airbnb) or hotel that is girl friendly but not in Santa Fe. I need to stay up around Zona G to Parque 93. The place I stayed before that was good but has like a 15 day min in Dec and I'll be in and out a couple times so doesn't work. Any recommendations are appreciated and you can PM if that is better. Prefer apt but hotel is fine, even an upscale one. I did stay at the Sheraton 4 pts before and it was ok but I took a non-pro with me so not really sure if they are truly GF. Thanks.

Hey guys,

Here is a small report about the atms with the best exchange rate for your USD. The current exchange per Google results is 4, 418.12, I checked some atms nearby where I'm staying, Servibanca, Davivienda, Bancolombia and Banco de Occidente.

So far, the #1 is Bancolombia with 4056.94 COP per USD, checked today. I don't like using Bancolombia's atms because they limit your withdrawal to 600 k pesos.

#2 is Banco de Occidente with 4043.54 COP per USD, checked on Oct 31st.

#3 is Banco de Bogota with 3966.65 COP per USD.

#4 is Servibanca with 3959.26 COP per USD. This ATM has a very fluctuating exchange rate. I was able to get 3 different rates on the same day at different time.

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2957625]Hey guys,

Here is a small report about the atms with the best exchange rate for your USD. The current exchange per Google results is 4, 418.12, I checked some atms nearby where I'm staying, Servibanca, Davivienda, Bancolombia and Banco de Occidente.

So far, the #1 is Bancolombia with 4056.94 COP per USD, checked today. I don't like using Bancolombia's atms because they limit your withdrawal to 600 k pesos.

#2 is Banco de Occidente with 4043.54 COP per USD, checked on Oct 31st.

#3 is Banco de Bogota with 3966.65 COP per USD.

#4 is Servibanca with 3959.26 COP per USD. This ATM has a very fluctuating exchange rate. I was able to get 3 different rates on the same day at different time.[/QUOTE]I don't get this. On all my trips to ATMs in Colombia I've gotten the interbank rate, which would be the 4418 you quoted at first. They do charge me a bank / ATM fee, but my Schwab account refunds that to me.

[QUOTE=Combo;2957634]I don't get this. On all my trips to ATMs in Colombia I've gotten the interbank rate, which would be the 4418 you quoted at first. They do charge me a bank / ATM fee, but my Schwab account refunds that to me.[/QUOTE]I don't get it either. There is a quoted mid-market rate, but I don't think that would be the same as the interbank rate. And as far as I know the exchange rates depend on exactly when you pull the money and what exchange and discount your home bank uses. And as far as I know it is your home bank not the bank you use to withdraw the cash that determines the rate. I know with my bank it changes every few seconds and if you are sending money the quote is only good for a few minutes. Some banks use the previous day rate to set the exchange rate but I don't think all of them do that.

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2957625]Hey guys,

Here is a small report about the atms with the best exchange rate for your USD. The current exchange per Google results is 4, 418.12, I checked some atms nearby where I'm staying, Servibanca, Davivienda, Bancolombia and Banco de Occidente.

So far, the #1 is Bancolombia with 4056.94 COP per USD, checked today. I don't like using Bancolombia's atms because they limit your withdrawal to 600 k pesos.

#2 is Banco de Occidente with 4043.54 COP per USD, checked on Oct 31st.

#3 is Banco de Bogota with 3966.65 COP per USD.

#4 is Servibanca with 3959.26 COP per USD. This ATM has a very fluctuating exchange rate. I was able to get 3 different rates on the same day at different time.[/QUOTE]You got to decline the conversion rate that is offered to you by the bank / ATM. Even if you decline, you will still be able to pull the money out. At a much better rate (usually previous day's spot rate).

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2957639]You got to decline the conversion rate that is offered to you by the bank / ATM. Even if you decline, you will still be able to pull the money out. At a much better rate (usually previous day's spot rate).[/QUOTE]This has been my experience.

I'm wrapping up a 3 night stay and was very happy with the trip. I stayed at the NH Pavilion near Parque 93. Inexpensive and didn't charge extra for a guest. My plan was to hit a casa or visit a spinner on the escort sites but things changed after meeting a seeking girl for dinner on the first night. I really like the area around the hotel. It's upscale and I felt safe.

I chatted with many women on seeking and tinder. In general, there's a wide selection but they ask for $150 and up for a couple of hours. I am OK with the amounts but I am looking for more of a connection. Someone I can return to or take a trip with. I gave up on those sites but I did keep one conversation alive with a 23 year old spinner. We agreed to meet for dinner with no mention of $$.

She shows up on time looking hot. She has decent English and tells me she cleared out her weekend for me. Doesn't want money and says she makes a good living. I need to mention that in mid 60's in good shape but not a chick magnet. My past experiences with international arrangements and dating has been good but nobody that I wanted to repeat with.

Long story short is I insist on paying her something for lost work and we head back to the hotel. She's well under 5 feet tall and thin. Just amazing to look at and complete GFE, doesn't say no to anything and stays until I call her an Uber. I slip her $150 for 4 hrs.

We meet again Sunday. 12 hrs together and another amazing time screwing, napping and good restaurants. It turns out she's a web cam personality with a loyal following. I can't explain how she ends up with me. She can't travel outside Colombia and at best I can return 3 x a year. The best I can figure is that we were honest before meeting and I treated her gently. I put $200 in COP in her purse. I am going to do my best to see her again. Apologies for not sharing her contact info.

I should mention that I found reviews of casas and independent escorts on two Colombian websites. [URL]Catadorcolombia.com[/URL] is mostly active in Medellin but does cover Bogota. Even better was [URL]foroprepagoscolombia.com[/URL] for recent info on spas, casas and independents. Overall, I am very happy with everything I did in Bogota and will return after following up with some unfinished business in Medellin. Colombia is pretty amazing.

I'm open to hear any theories of why the music in Troya is so freaking loud! LOL.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2958251]I'm open to hear any theories of why the music in Troya is so freaking loud! LOL.[/QUOTE]Because it is not a romantic night club where to whisper love words.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2957639]You got to decline the conversion rate that is offered to you by the bank / ATM. Even if you decline, you will still be able to pull the money out. At a much better rate (usually previous day's spot rate).[/QUOTE]I really cannot understand why this topic comes out every now and then. It should be very well known by everyone travelling outside his / her own country, that withdrawing money from an ATM usually offers the options:

1) CREDIT. Advance cash from credit card. Never choose this. It has 4% advance cash fee, on top of any conversion fees and bank fees.

2) DEBIT. This is the option to select. Money is taken immediately from the bank account. No 4% fee, but there are conversion fees and bank fees depending on the bank (it could be local bank fee PLUS your bank fee).

CONVERSION OFFERED to your home currency.

NEVER accept. The conversion fee is some 10% higher than the regular rate. Some people takes this option, for ignorance or because they like to see immediately how much money they are withdrawing from the account. I understand that the rates reported by Gauntman are these ones.

Without this option selected, the amount is converted to the currency of your home bank account based on standard inter-bank rates of the time of the day you withdraw. The rate is the one given by the MasterCard or VISA circuits, in most cases, and it is some 1%-2% higher than the average mid-point rate you see on [URL]xe.com[/URL] or [URL]yahoo.com[/URL].

The difference between the option "conversion/no conversion" is striking! It could be some 10% overall. Please note that the same conversion option is also offered often when you pay by credit card in a shop, restaurant, hotel. "Sir, you want to be charged in EUR or COP?". If you do not mind, your expense on your credit card statement will be up to 10% higher than without conversion... Beware.

[QUOTE=PhisherMan2;2958248]I'm wrapping up a 3 night stay and was very happy with the trip. I stayed at the NH Pavilion near Parque 93. Inexpensive and didn't charge extra for a guest. My plan was to hit a casa or visit a spinner on the escort sites but things changed after meeting a seeking girl for dinner on the first night. I really like the area around the hotel. It's upscale and I felt safe.

I chatted with many women on seeking and tinder. In general, there's a wide selection but they ask for $150 and up for a couple of hours. I am OK with the amounts but I am looking for more of a connection. Someone I can return to or take a trip with. I gave up on those sites but I did keep one conversation alive with a 23 year old spinner. We agreed to meet for dinner with no mention of $$.

She shows up on time looking hot. She has decent English and tells me she cleared out her weekend for me. Doesn't want money and says she makes a good living. I need to mention that in mid 60's in good shape but not a chick magnet. My past experiences with international arrangements and dating has been good but nobody that I wanted to repeat with.

Long story short is I insist on paying her something for lost work and we head back to the hotel. She's well under 5 feet tall and thin. Just amazing to look at and complete GFE, doesn't say no to anything and stays until I call her an Uber. I slip her $150 for 4 hrs.

We meet again Sunday. 12 hrs together and another amazing time screwing, napping and good restaurants. It turns out she's a web cam personality with a loyal following. I can't explain how she ends up with me. She can't travel outside Colombia and at best I can return 3 x a year. The best I can figure is that we were honest before meeting and I treated her gently. I put $200 in COP in her purse. I am going to do my best to see her again. Apologies for not sharing her contact info.

I should mention that I found reviews of casas and independent escorts on two Colombian websites. [URL]Catadorcolombia.com[/URL] is mostly active in Medellin but does cover Bogota. Even better was [URL]foroprepagoscolombia.com[/URL] for recent info on spas, casas and independents. Overall, I am very happy with everything I did in Bogota and will return after following up with some unfinished business in Medellin. Colombia is pretty amazing.[/QUOTE]Got her ID number or link to SA?

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2957378]A guy I know was attacked by a group of trans whilst walking on Caracas in the same area, blocked the knife to the chest by taking it in the arm. Fucked up his arm but he lived.[/QUOTE]I was a frequent traveler to Peru and Brazil for a lot of years, I moved my tack to Colombia in 2008. I have been visiting Colombia, mostly Bogota many many times per year. Colombia is inherently dangerous, Bogota more so since Covid and an influx of Venezuelan gangs. Went to SF twice in 10 year of travel but its not my thing. Woodman showed me around the first time and he can help newbies hit the ground running if that's your thing but by no means believe SF is safe. Always Always stay alert everywhere you go more so the further south you go the more dangerous it gets. Nothing ruins a trip like getting mugged, hurt or killed. . a note for the members who say I walk everywhere and nothing has happened, that maybe so but it's just a matter of time if you do. Stay Safe.

I am always late when it comes to writing these reports. This one is from Monday September 16. I must have walked down to Santa Fe from my Airbnb about 9:30 pm. I went looking for the barbecue guy down at Troya, but I think he is closed on Mondays. There was plenty of action out.

Walking down one of the side streets I passed by a chick that was about 7 feet tall (okay, really about 6'3 or so) and super skinny. She looked like a tall ass skeleton. I walked up and stood on the corner for a while, but kept looking back at her. I like tall chicks. I do not like really skinny chicks. But this chick was in fetish territory. Plus she was really cute. I thought to myself that I need to put her on my checklist.

Soon, I went back to talk to her. 40,000 pesos plus 10,000 pesos for the room. Deal. She was really sweet. 23 years old from Venezuela of course. Her body was really cold from standing out there with shorts on. Do those chicks really need to dress like hookers in order for guys to want to pick them up? Not from my perspective. Actually the ones that I do not want are the ones standing out there with some lingerie or whatever on looking like a plum fool.

Anyway the deed was done and I gave her the 40. No need for any of that tip bullshit. I would definitely repeat. If you are in Santa Fe, you can not miss this girl. She will literally be the tallest AND thinnest human in the neighborhood.

So I walked around a bit more and noticed the tall skinny chick was not at her perch. Maybe she took the money and ran. Nope. I soon saw her buying a bag of dinner from one of the vendors on the sidewalk. I was hungry my damn self, so I went by the chicken spot Tenedores. They stay busy and the food is always fresh out the grease, too hot to eat.

When I finished eating, I hit the streets again. Saw a scantily clad chick on the same out of the way street that I found the first chick. I told her Hello, but kept walking. I soon came back to her and asked her how much she wanted. She said 50,000 and she will pay for the room. I said let's go. She started walking in one direction, but double back. I said what is wrong? She said she wanted to go to a room where time is not an issue. We went to a place around the corner where there are usually transvestites hanging in front of.

Got to the room and it was game on. This chick was acting like I was her long lost lover. BBBJ, licking my ass, fucked her in the ass. I had to beat her off of me. In the end she wanted to stay there and cuddle. I am trying to send subliminal signals to the hotel guy to come knock on the door, but nothing.

She was from Venezuela too. She is working the streets because her sister had cancer and they had to borrow money from the mafia for the surgery. I said huh. I thought that kind of shit was free in Venezuela. She said hell no. They want the money up front and in USD. I forgot how much she told me she had to borrow. (See if I had written the report back when it happened, then I would know.) But I want to say 7 million pesos and she said she has to pay it back 250,000 pesos every day. She lives in Santa Fe with her mom.

This lady was holding on to me like there was no tomorrow. After 1 hour and 40 minutes of nobody coming to knock on the door, I finally said look lady I have to go. I got up and put my clothes on and asked how much I owed her. She said 100,000. Gladly. It was well worth it.

I walked downstairs and the hotel guy was in a chair asleep. I went outside and it was raining. The place was now a ghost town. It was 1:40 am. I walked back to my Airbnb taking these pictures with my top of the line Samsung as I have had no problem doing for the past almost 20 years.

The next morning I headed out in Indrive at 9 am. He drove through Santa Fe. Man I have never seen so many people out there in my life. It was more wide open than a Friday night. I think we have been going to Santa Fe for the street chicks at the wrong time. Mid morning looks to be when you will be like a hog in slop and get the pick of the litter. I guess that will also be a big advantage to the guys who are scared to go at night.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2956305]I had just finished getting my hair cut at the barber shop near the Monaco Building in the South Stroll and was walking up to Calle 20 when I heard a commotion and glass breaking ahead. Alot of screaming and yelling and people were running in all directions and then people started converging on the corner of Calle 20 and Carrera 14. I seen a crowd surrounding a guy on the ground in a pool of blood. What I could see through the crowd was this guy had a hole in his neck and blood was pumping out as he was bleeding out. A terrible scene and chaos to say the least. No police around at all even though they had did a bust on that corner about 30 minutes earlier. At one point it seemed that he had stopped breathing. Multiple people were calling emergency services on their phones but it was too late. You guys that live in Bogota and frequent Santa Fe can confirm this with your sources because I seen it with my own eyes. Be careful out there and be aware.[/QUOTE]Honestly this shit reads way too wild for me. I am currently planning a trip but I am genuinely scared if this is something that actually happens on the streets. Who the fuck wants to go to this awful place for some pussy. ?

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2958515]Honestly this shit reads way too wild for me. I am currently planning a trip but I am genuinely scared if this is something that actually happens on the streets. Who the fuck wants to go to this awful place for some pussy. ?[/QUOTE]I've been to Bogota more times than I can count on my fingers and toes and I've never been stabbed and left to leak out on the pavement. That being said, watch out for the Venecos, they are ruthless. They aren't all bad people some are hard working and somewhat honest, but alot of them are lacking in the ethics department. And once you cross Caracas keep your head on a swivel, I think you're more likely to be a victim of petty crime than violent crime though.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2958492]I am always late when it comes to writing these reports.[/QUOTE]No worries about writing the late report. It was a great read.

I plan to head back in March. I felt like I only touched the surface during my last trip.

Never saw the BBQ dule, will look for him.

Were there any midgets to be found?

Thank you my brother!

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2958515]Honestly this shit reads way too wild for me. I am currently planning a trip but I am genuinely scared if this is something that actually happens on the streets. Who the fuck wants to go to this awful place for some pussy. ? [/QUOTE]That shit was definitely wild to see in person. I usually hang out in the South Stroll area and this was the first time I've seen a murder in Santa Fe. I've seen fights, arguments and drug dealing before in Santa Fe. I always get my haircut at the barber shop near the Monaco Building where a few youngsters cut hair. There's a guy that has one leg there but I get my haircut by the guy with 3 crosses tatted on his neck. I also hit the bar down and across the street with the pool tables called Bar de Tejo El Sotano. Everything was cool up until that bullshit happened. It's still fresh in my memory.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2958549]Never saw the BBQ dule, will look for him.[/QUOTE]The back side of Troya (or maybe that is the front). The side where you can enter all of the clubs. It is like a driveway or garage. His place is there. You get a plate of meat and potatoes for like 30,000 pesos. I always try to talk him down, but he is always like this is the minimum. And he insists that you try before you buy. Evidently it is this Alejandro Brazas & Sabores place that is on google maps.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2958549]Were there any midgets to be found?[/QUOTE]If there were, you know I would have gotten one for Long Time!

I'll be coming to Santa Fe, Bogota for the first time. Asking for suggestions which area to get a hotel or Airbnb at that is close to where the chicas on the street stand around.

[QUOTE=Combo;2957634]I don't get this. On all my trips to ATMs in Colombia I've gotten the interbank rate, which would be the 4418 you quoted at first. They do charge me a bank / ATM fee, but my Schwab account refunds that to me.[/QUOTE]I also have a Schwab card / account and I do get the 50% rebate, however, the rate is always changing. Per Google, at this very moment the exchange rate is 4402.81, I do have to get some pocket cash to go out, so I'll report what is the current rate later in the evening or tomorrow morning.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2958265]I really cannot understand why this topic comes out every now and then. It should be very well known by everyone travelling outside his / her own country, that withdrawing money from an ATM usually offers the options:

1) CREDIT. Advance cash from credit card. Never choose this. It has 4% advance cash fee, on top of any conversion fees and bank fees.

2) DEBIT. This is the option to select. Money is taken immediately from the bank account. No 4% fee, but there are conversion fees and bank fees depending on the bank (it could be local bank fee PLUS your bank fee).

CONVERSION OFFERED to your home currency.

NEVER accept. The conversion fee is some 10% higher than the regular rate. Some people takes this option, for ignorance or because they like to see immediately how much money they are withdrawing from the account. I understand that the rates reported by Gauntman are these ones.

Without this option selected, the amount is converted to the currency of your home bank account based on standard inter-bank rates of the time of the day you withdraw. The rate is the one given by the MasterCard or VISA circuits, in most cases, and it is some 1%-2% higher than the average mid-point rate you see on [URL]xe.com[/URL] or [URL]yahoo.com[/URL].

The difference between the option "conversion/no conversion" is striking! It could be some 10% overall. Please note that the same conversion option is also offered often when you pay by credit card in a shop, restaurant, hotel. "Sir, you want to be charged in EUR or COP?". If you do not mind, your expense on your credit card statement will be up to 10% higher than without conversion... Beware.[/QUOTE]Nice to know! I'll check this in a few minutes as I need to get some pocket cash.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2957639]You got to decline the conversion rate that is offered to you by the bank / ATM. Even if you decline, you will still be able to pull the money out. At a much better rate (usually previous day's spot rate).[/QUOTE]I just got back from the ATM and indeed, if you decline the conversion rate offered by the ATM, you still get your money but the receipt will not show you the conversion rate. I'll need to wait until the withdrawal reflects on my online banking.

[QUOTE=AndrewM1;2958854]I'll be coming to Santa Fe, Bogota for the first time. Asking for suggestions which area to get a hotel or Airbnb at that is close to where the chicas on the street stand around.[/QUOTE]The 3 favorites are San Francisco, Ibis and Teqendama Suites -- There are many cheaper hotels in the area too.

I picked out a bunch of AirBnB a while ago.

Keep in mind you should always communicate about guests with the owner.

--This just a partial list.

Near SF.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1068194420218966470[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/596472625136602414[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/1147326118951705478[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/900219517740274543[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/729778976453020053[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/673240712870945116[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/1132553925603744296[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/1186978010374026432[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/1167741341941244977[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/1059723709267750411[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com.co/rooms/1178454739754556983[/URL]

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2959122]I also have a Schwab card / account and I do get the 50% rebate, however, the rate is always changing. Per Google, at this very moment the exchange rate is 4402.81, I do have to get some pocket cash to go out, so I'll report what is the current rate later in the evening or tomorrow morning.[/QUOTE]What is this 50% rebate you're talking about? I've always heard here that Schwab reimbursed ATM fees fully.

I was with a friend last night 11-8 -- about 11:30.

Streets-- It was pretty dead especially the South stroll --North stroll was ok-- You could find a nice girl but was quiet.

Troya was good about 10+ girls 3-5 pretty hot. Atonis was OK 5-6 girls. Venus was better 6-8 girls but 3-5 were Hott-.

I love Venus because there are often new hotties-- The stripper was so hot like 7-8+.

It looked like Paisa and Fiebre were happening but did not go. Also Loto and Ferco were open.

We went back out on street about 12:30 and ran into 3 Hot 20 yr old Venezolanas. These girls were Nice!! Like 7-7+ all petite and tight-- The guy I was with took all 3 into a hotel they let him have the room for 50 k and he paid them 60 mil each and was in there about 40-50 min. I don't have the details but he had fun.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2956305]I had just finished getting my hair cut at the barber shop near the Monaco Building in the South Stroll and was walking up to Calle 20 when I heard a commotion and glass breaking ahead. Alot of screaming and yelling and people were running in all directions and then people started converging on the corner of Calle 20 and Carrera 14. I seen a crowd surrounding a guy on the ground in a pool of blood. What I could see through the crowd was this guy had a hole in his neck and blood was pumping out as he was bleeding out. A terrible scene and chaos to say the least. No police around at all even though they had did a bust on that corner about 30 minutes earlier. At one point it seemed that he had stopped breathing. Multiple people were calling emergency services on their phones but it was too late. You guys that live in Bogota and frequent Santa Fe can confirm this with your sources because I seen it with my own eyes. Be careful out there and be aware.[/QUOTE]Been in town for almost two Months and a local was telling me about this like the day after. And a week prior to that another local was clapped in the streets. That same day while walking around looking at girls w a local bud some Venezolano walked right in front of me talking shit to my bud while holding a gun. He just walked by and went to a hotel prob some girl had a issue with a client. My local bud said he's actually known mentally deranged, and if his boss saw it he'd get beaten up real bad. Dude showed me a former torture house where they used to do anything to people and made them disappear, showed me few gangs, etc. Best thing to do as a Gringo is only talk to dudes to know for guides, or the guys standing in front of the clubs. I know quite a few of those guys, from California, Texas, Troya, Paisas, made friend with at least 5 dudes and a lady from Venus. Always helping me out either with chicks or intels.

I'm out there like once to twice a week and it's prob a lot since here longer. Lots lots lots of good pussy so just go, avoid unknown locals, do your biz and bounce.

Best late evenings to visits are Thurs- Sat, as you'll see a heavy police presence and more girls.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2959134] but the receipt will not show you the conversion rate. I'll need to wait until the withdrawal reflects on my online banking.[/QUOTE]The pleasure of seeing immediately how much money will be detracted from your account costs some 10%. Is it worth?

Incidentally, any decent card allows you to see online the amounts paid or just blocked.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2959299]What is this 50% rebate you're talking about? I've always heard here that Schwab reimbursed ATM fees fully.[/QUOTE]Prob cause Schwab has different cards, or diff rates and fees based on when you signed up. Had my Schwab Investor checking since they launched it in 2022, and was primarily offered if you had an actual brokerage / investor account which I have also. So that may make a difference.

No foreign transaction fees themselves, and they reimburse me 100% of ATM fees Worldwide.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2959562]Prob cause Schwab has different cards, or diff rates and fees based on when you signed up. Had my Schwab Investor checking since they launched it in 2022, and was primarily offered if you had an actual brokerage / investor account which I have also. So that may make a difference.

No foreign transaction fees themselves, and they reimburse me 100% of ATM fees Worldwide.[/QUOTE]Fidelity also offers 100% reimbursement of ATM fees worldwide. I've saved like $600 usd so far from using them. They reimbursed all my ATM fees in Thailand and Philippines. I found out that in Indonesia there are no ATM fees here at all. It's like how Colombia used to be, like every ATM here is a Pre-2023 Davivienda LOL. Everything super cheap too. It's like early 2000's Colombia prices and I won't even mention the super megabrothel called Classic that I discovered. But if you guys are interested hop over to the Jakarta thread to read my reports there.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2959562]Had my Schwab Investor checking since they launched it in 2022, and was primarily offered if you had an actual brokerage / investor account which I have also. So that may make a difference.[/QUOTE]Maybe you mean they launched it in 2002. I have had mine at least 10 years, when HSBC started going haywire.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2959322]I was with a friend last night 11-8 -- about 11:30.

Streets-- It was pretty dead especially the South stroll --North stroll was ok-- You could find a nice girl but was quiet.

Troya was good about 10+ girls 3-5 pretty hot. Atonis was OK 5-6 girls. Venus was better 6-8 girls but 3-5 were Hott-.

I love Venus because there are often new hotties-- The stripper was so hot like 7-8+.

It looked like Paisa and Fiebre were happening but did not go. Also Loto and Ferco were open.

We went back out on street about 12:30 and ran into 3 Hot 20 yr old Venezolanas. These girls were Nice!! Like 7-7+ all petite and tight-- The guy I was with took all 3 into a hotel they let him have the room for 50 k and he paid them 60 mil each and was in there about 40-50 min. I don't have the details but he had fun.[/QUOTE]Hi Woodman,

I will be in Bogota from Dec 6-8. Need your help. Looks like your inbox is full. Please message me.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2953799]I agree with MaddTraveler on nearly all points. I think the point you are getting at is frugal doesn't mean cheap -- another way of "stay in your lane" perhaps. It's a very different experience in SF vs a GF or GFE including dinner, drinks and TLN elsewhere. You can use the car analogy sure, but I think the restaurant analogy is better. There are all kinds of ways to eat in Colombia, from things you can buy on the street to world class dining. While it is true you can get an experience that is a very good or very poor value, overall it is a very lot less expensive than US or Europe if you are trying to compare like for like. It is equally true WG and restaurants.

Some people only want to eat at some only want local street food, McDonalds (which exists in Locombia), some want only Michelin level. And some are like me that want and can afford a variety.

I do highly encourage all visitors to try the restaurant scene in BOG and, if you are into the hobby, as a second date I encourage extending a TLN to include dinner and drinks before. If pro or semipro, negotiate the TLN rate first and then propose starting earlier but including dinner and a drink.

I do have a little quibble with this:

Zona G is NOT the most expensive area of the city.

Yes, Zona G does have a few of the most expensive restaurants in the city: LEO, El Chato, Cielo. But there many others in Zona G not at that level of cost and quality. For me the most expensive area of the city for a date of any type is Zona T (around CC Andino and CC Atlantis). In Zona T there are some good restaurants for sure, but there are also a few which for me aren't high value for money -- specifically Andres Carne de Res and anything inside Andino). In addition to the restaurants, there is also the shopping. Taking a date or WG there is a big mistake as you are going to waste time, money or both. Also, for non pro you need to know what they will appreciate and be comfortable with. I've seen some WGs become really intimidated by fancy restaurants, come dressed inappropriately, or intentionally order the most expensive thing on the menu just because they could. I generally don't go to a good restaurant until 2nd meeting.

Nonpro tip: use a trip to Zona T or any big CC as a litmus test early in a relationship. Go to a Crepes or Wok in any big CC and see how much time they burn in stores just looking, or how many things they want you to buy for them. That will often foreshadow things to come. Atlantis, Unicentro, Grand Estacion, Plaza Central are all better for that test than Andino.

Now I am hungry.[/QUOTE]I am going to be in town for a short trip later this month. Are there any must try restaurants you would recommend? I am open to anything from 3 Michelin star to street food.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2959322]Troya was good about 10+ girls 3-5 pretty hot. Atonis was OK 5-6 girls. Venus was better 6-8 girls but 3-5 were Hott-.

I love Venus because there are often new hotties-- The stripper was so hot like 7-8+.

It looked like Paisa and Fiebre were happening but did not go. Also Loto and Ferco were open.

We went back out on street about 12:30 and ran into 3 Hot 20 yr old Venezolanas. These girls were Nice!! Like 7-7+ all petite and tight-- The guy I was with took all 3 into a hotel they let him have the room for 50 k and he paid them 60 mil each and was in there about 40-50 min. I don't have the details but he had fun.[/QUOTE]OK, Soooh how many did you fuck? You can only fuck one at a time.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2960149]OK, Soooh how many did you fuck? You can only fuck one at a time.[/QUOTE]He was giving us an update. Do you have any updates?

Thank you Woodman!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2959556]The pleasure of seeing immediately how much money will be detracted from your account costs some 10%. Is it worth?

Incidentally, any decent card allows you to see online the amounts paid or just blocked.[/QUOTE]All he has to do is check his bank or brokerage app to see what his available balance was before and after the ATM withdrawal. How the hell are people traveling oversees but yet don't know how to check how much they were charged at an ATM?

Never really concluded this trips report down to Bogota so I'll just end it with final thoughts. I wrote more specific details in my other reports so check those out.

In general:

Club girls in Santa Fe- the girls range from 80-150 depending on what you want. And in general 120 k seems to be the standard at least for me which included BBBJ, DFK (some would do this well and others wouldn't), DATY and multiple positions. Depending on how cute the girl was that might also include CIM but typically add another 20-30 k for that. I tip (that's just me and if they do a good job) so I'm typically walking out after a girl spending $150 k all up with propina. I rarely drink with a girl as I have limited Spanish and what Spanish I do have and understand is difficult to do anything with as the clubs music is extremely loud.

Paisas. F, I can't stand Paisas but there's always 1 girl that I pick from there. In general I find the place underwhelming. It's huge inside and I don't get why they can't fill it up with more girls or better quality girls. The music is insanely loud as well. Having said that I picked up this insanely slim girl that bordered on almost anorexic (thin is my preferred body type and she bordered on almost being too thin but she was too cute and slim to pass up) who was extremely compliant in the room. I forget the price now but since everything hovered around 150 k I believe I took her up for 120 k and tipped her at the end. Every other night I was there Paisas was dead (including Friday and Saturday) with better talent in the other clubs.

Troya. You can't really go wrong in here. Yes, sometimes there might not be one to your liking and you'll end up in another club but if you're here over a few days you'll hook up with a girl from here at least once. Highlight was a cute red headed girl who had a very slim blonde friend. I wanted to bang them both. Not many girls there with red hair so she'the be easy to find. She was great in the room. Really into DFK and was fun, smiling and a bubbly personality in the room which made it even better. So if you see a cute young red headed girl with an equally cute slim blonde friend you can't go wrong.

Antones. I usually find 1 girl in here worth it but this trip it just wasn't happening for me here. But I've mentioned before I usually like to start my night in here and just grab a poker beer for 10 k, sit down and watch the girl on stage touch herself while there's porn playing in the background tv's to just start the night off right. Plus, usually after 1 beer you've seen the full rotation of girls for the next 2-3 hours in there so you know if it's worth coming back into.

Venus. This time I didn't do anyone from Venus. I actually like the place but on the 2 times I poked my head in it was a bit quieter but it's worth a look as some of the girls can be cute and it just has a bit of a raunchy feel to it which I like.

Fiebre. Like troya you usually can't go wrong in fiebre. Often the girls from troya and fiebre switch between clubs depending on how busy each one is. Banged a cute one in here who first asked for 200 k for BBBJ, DFK and CIM. Lmao. I said no and since she quoted so high I said I'll do 80 k. She then started being like "oh cmon papi I make you feel good" then told me 150 k. I said I'll do 100 k and that's the end of it. She then took her tits out and put her nipple against my lips and to be fair they were looking good so I asked if I can cum on her tits and mouth for 120 k and she said yes LOL so up we go. Sorry to the next guy that got the lap dance. Daniella. She was particularly good at reverse cowgirl looking at me while riding in the mirror up against the wall of the room in fiebre.

Texas and California. I get the 2 mixed up. The small place that's on the corner. Small stage. It's worth poking your head in. It seems to mostly have SG quality girls but that means that there's sometimes some random cute ones. On this trip I didn't find any I like. But then the place that's kind of next door to that one I did have a good time. Never been in there before. You walk up some stairs and then lo and behold it's completely different than what you would think from the outside. It's got a huge stage and it's kinda big up there. When I went on what is the Colombia equivalent of Columbus Day most of the clubs were all closed except for this one. 2 slight older girls were up on stage and while not my type they were trying hard and there wasn't much else happening so I got a poker beer for 10 k. Out of nowhere comes this cute little thing and asks if I want a dance. Of course I'll take a dance. It ended up with a 100 k romp in the downstairs rooms where once again I unloaded in a cute girls mouth while her pussy was shoved in my face for 69.

Casas. Tantra spa. Honestly you can't go wrong with this place. I was there almost every day of my 5 day trip. There were usually 8-12 girls. All doable. All body types. All looking in their early 20's. Every girl I was with was compliant and did everything I wanted. The cost for 30 minutes was 50 k and I just did all the extras for an additional 100 k. The girls don't expect a tip as I actually think all the extras cost 80 k and they just say 100 k so that a tip is built in for them. All will let you DFK, DATY and cum on tits or mouth. So just for ease of use it was great. There's a mall nearby (Avenida Chile mall) perfect to freshen back up afterwards in the little small food court area.

Tips:

1) Don't go into the clubs of Santa Fe with large bills. The mesero will literally take forever trying to find you change if you only buy 1 poker beer and pay for it with a 50 k (or worse will just disappear). Head to oxxo, etc and buy something small to get change and plan to pay for drinks with either 10 or 20 k bills.

2) screw the transmillenio unless you take steps to not be a victim of pickpocketing. Despite the few reports of stabbings and / or muggings on here, I have been to Bogota as a solo white male traveller 5 or 6 times now. I have not had a problem however I have had a problem with pickpockets and once again some douche tried to pickpocket me while getting into a crowded bus. Honestly, uber and didi are not that much more than the bus and just easier so I just recommend doing that unless you want to stay as cheap as possible. Just don't have stuff in your pockets. The people that do this often work in groups and they're good.

Restaurant ideas: don't listen to the people that say Bogota doesn't have good food. There's loads of good food. If it's your first time then try a visit to La Perseverancia Market for lunch or a late breakfast. Compania Casa Del Rey is close enough to Santa Fe and has some nice options. Pastelera Florida while not the best is easy and good. Those are 3 places near or around the Hotel Ibis worthwhile to check out. There are loads more. Visit some good coffee places as well.

And yes, I'll be back again for a 7th time (or is it the 6th?? I've lost track).

Anyone got the new WA number for Tantra? Numbers on the Wiz and FB pages seem dead.

Why do you need their number? Just go there. You don't need reservation.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2960442]Anyone got the new WA number for Tantra? Numbers on the Wiz and FB pages seem dead.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2959134]I just got back from the ATM and indeed, if you decline the conversion rate offered by the ATM, you still get your money but the receipt will not show you the conversion rate. I'll need to wait until the withdrawal reflects on my online banking.[/QUOTE]I got off the phone with Schwab asking about the exchange rate. It seems that when you do not accept the exchange rate offered by the ATM, the exchange rate that your card brand offers (Visa / MC / Amex) is the one used.

Googling out I found this handy site.

[URL]https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/travel-support/exchange-rate-calculator.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=NorthernLight;2960661]Why do you need their number? Just go there. You don't need reservation.[/QUOTE]To see what their current line up looks like.

Sessioned with Ivanka at Tantra. Super cute black girl with body just the way I like them. That's where the good news ends though. Another 50 k to suck her tits, another 50 k for DATY. No kissing, very little sucking, no massage. Very passive, starfish type. She came, I didn't.

That's two mediocre experiences at Tantra now. Either I'm just shit at picking girls, not impossible, or it's more of a quick pop establishment.

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2960675]I got off the phone with Schwab asking about the exchange rate. It seems that when you do not accept the exchange rate offered by the ATM, the exchange rate that your card brand offers (Visa / MC / Amex) is the one used.[/QUOTE]"It seems that"? You did not read this?
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2958265&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2958265.
That should be obvious to all who spend money abroad with cards.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2960929]Sessioned with Ivanka at Tantra. Super cute black girl with body just the way I like them. That's where the good news ends though. Another 50 k to suck her tits, another 50 k for DATY. No kissing, very little sucking, no massage. Very passive, starfish type. She came, I didn't.

That's two mediocre experiences at Tantra now. Either I'm just shit at picking girls, not impossible, or it's more of a quick pop establishment.[/QUOTE]I've been to Tantra several times. I thinks it's you picking the girls. I have a certain formula when picking out girls anywhere and have a high success rate. Just because a chica is smoking hot doesn't necessarily mean the service will be any good. There are usually subtle signs that can be a pretense of how a chica will perform. We learn from our experiences and some do not.

Hey guys, I'll be in town for a few nights. I'll be staying at the Tequendama suites. I'll be going out around 1 am in case any of you guys will be out or want to meet up. DM me. Also, I'm curious. Do you guys recommend ordering in or going out to Santa Fe and bringing a girl back?

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I contacted two chicas from the prepagos website and they were asking for advance payment. Is that how it works here? And if so, how did you pay?

[QUOTE=AndrewM1;2961353]I contacted two chicas from the prepagos website and they were asking for advance payment. Is that how it works here? And if so, how did you pay?[/QUOTE]Welcome to Scam World.

[QUOTE=SouthFlBoy789;2961181] Also, I'm curious. Do you guys recommend ordering in or going out to Santa Fe and bringing a girl back?
[/QUOTE]If you had read the forum, you would know that:

1) No decent business hotel accepts guests. Forget it at a 4 stars.

2) Nobody would bring a girl to a love hotel from Santa Fe, because if they work in a bar they work there and will not go out (there are rooms on purpose). They are not prisoners. They have a contract to work on site during their time shift.

I beg you to be prudent and read the forum before seeking troubles.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2960420]
Restaurant ideas: don't listen to the people that say Bogota doesn't have good food. There's loads of good food. If it's your first time then try a visit to La Perseverancia Market for lunch or a late breakfast. Compania Casa Del Rey is close enough to Santa Fe and has some nice options. Pastelera Florida while not the best is easy and good. Those are 3 places near or around the Hotel Ibis worthwhile to check out. There are loads more. Visit some good coffee places as well.[/QUOTE]Outstanding set of reports!! People should be grateful to you. Lots of good information.

About restaurants, of course you are right. In Bogota there are excellent restaurants, from upscale down to cheap, but as in all big cities one has to do some home work in advance, to know where to go depending on the kind of cuisine he / she desires.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2960929]Sessioned with Ivanka at Tantra. Super cute black girl with body just the way I like them. That's where the good news ends though. Another 50 k to suck her tits, another 50 k for DATY. No kissing, very little sucking, no massage. Very passive, starfish type. She came, I didn't.

That's two mediocre experiences at Tantra now. Either I'm just shit at picking girls, not impossible, or it's more of a quick pop establishment.[/QUOTE]I read few times here some of yall paying 50 k extra for each act at Tantra, like you say 50 k xtra for sucking tits, and 50 k for DATY LOL. I understand many of you don't speak spanish but it's not how it works there.

The going rate in that place is 50 k 30 minutes and 100 k for the hour. So for ALL extras, it's 50 k total. The girls usually say you can perform DATY, kiss, get a BBBJ. It's not 50 k for each or that'd be ridiculous. I normally pay 50 k xtra for all the above. At least that's the deal I always get, banged dozens same deal within couple yrs. I just reconfirm it and hand them a 50 k bill propina at the end for ALL the extras I want including two shots usually for the hour.

Now obviously in the sex trade business girls tend to be tricky even as employees who should follow the place rules. It is possible since many foreigners frequent, some try to word it in a way where you pay the 50 k for ea extra, and it does sound like that. But I guess I got lucky to have taken an honest girl the first time and explained the rules. After that for each new one I get I just reconfirm and let them know I know the correct rate LOL.

Afterall it's the purpose of this forum. Before you go to those places read as many reports as you can to avoid being taken advantage of.

As far the girl service that will be provided, this one's solely on you. But for the money part, Learn some basic spanish and reconfirm your deals.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2961396]If you had read the forum, you would know that:

1) No decent business hotel accepts guests. Forget it at a 4 stars.

2) Nobody would bring a girl to a love hotel from Santa Fe, because if they work in a bar they work there and will not go out (there are rooms on purpose). They are not prisoners. They have a contract to work on site during their time shift.

I beg you to be prudent and read the forum before seeking troubles.[/QUOTE]No entirely true, some girls are contracted to work in the club, others are just freelancers that move from club to club. Most of the time they aren't going to want to leave the club because its time lost, you would have to compensate the girl appropriately. Better to just ask the girl for her number and arrange something in the daytime or other day.

[QUOTE=AndrewM1;2961353]I contacted two chicas from the prepagos website and they were asking for advance payment. Is that how it works here? And if so, how did you pay?[/QUOTE]You ignore it and move on. That's how it works. Make sure you deduct 2 points for photoprepagos girls. They never look like their photos.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2961434] Better to just ask the girl for her number and arrange something in the daytime or other day.[/QUOTE]That's always a good advice, when one finds the good chemistry.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2961133]I've been to Tantra several times. I thinks it's you picking the girls. I have a certain formula when picking out girls anywhere and have a high success rate. Just because a chica is smoking hot doesn't necessarily mean the service will be any good. There are usually subtle signs that can be a pretense of how a chica will perform. We learn from our experiences and some do not.[/QUOTE]More than happy to believe it's my fuck up: my last 3 choices have all been mediocre. Prior to that I'm struggling to remember my last bad pick!

Be interested in knowing what your formula is: I've always filtered on she has to make eye contact, smile and interact as much as possible in the circumstances, and generally seem keen to session with me.

Guys, do any of you remember if they have those small heaters in the rooms or should I take mine with me?

[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2961457]Guys, do any of you remember if they have those small heaters in the rooms or should I take mine with me?[/QUOTE]Currently in my room right now watching the UFC and it's pretty chilly. No heater or whatsoever.

[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2961457]Guys, do any of you remember if they have those small heaters in the rooms or should I take mine with me?[/QUOTE]It has been quite chilly here like 53 F everyday-.

This is one that I saw but maybe sold out since it is so cold?

[URL]https://www.homecenter.com.co/homecenter-co/product/658400/calentador-electrico-practico-de-aire-caliente-wonder-heater/658400/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2961434]No entirely true, some girls are contracted to work in the club, others are just freelancers that move from club to club. Most of the time they aren't going to want to leave the club because its time lost, you would have to compensate the girl appropriately. Better to just ask the girl for her number and arrange something in the daytime or other day.[/QUOTE]I am in Bogota every month and stay in 4 and 5 star hoyels and I have never had an issue with guests. I have no clue what you are talking about.

OK mi amigos. Never saw myself sharing in this outstanding resource forum because I hate writing. Anyhow, I arrived at my Airbnb around 4 PM on Wednesday, 13th Nov then immediately went to Carrera 16 for some action. Checked one of the clubs and there were only 4 chicas with one on the stage dancing but none were my type. Proceeded patrolling the streets and spotted this chica in white dress but did not end up taking her because as soon as she opened her mouth, it smelt pretty bad. Her asking price was 72 K for 20 minutes. After scanning the entire street, I ended up penetrating this probably 5 foot 10 22 yr old Venezuelana for 62 k who appeared to be high judging from her eyes but I said efff it. She's tall, big natural ass, and brown skin. Mind you, I'm 5 foot 2 LOL. To my surprise, I lasted the entire 20 minutes. My first time here in Colombia and I've been craving for this Latinas. When we got done, she checked all my clothes before I put them on appearing to be looking for a hidden camera. I was tired from the 19 hour flight so I called it a night.

Second day, went back again at Carrera 16 around noon. Walked by a different club from the first day and I was invited inside to just check it out, same as the first club the day before, it was dead. I spotted this 28 year old Colombiana from Medellin. She had a big ass so I asked if it's all natural and she said yes but won't let me touch but I looked at her breasts and they were not too small and not to big so I believed her and so we went for another 62 k. Finally got to check her ass and it's all natural. I asked if she has a kid and she said no (but she has a boyfriend back in Medellin) and it is evident from her tits because they were not loose. In the afternoon, I went to Tantra Spa that everyone is talking about. Went up and saw two locals who were sitting on the couch as I stood in the corner watching the chicas come out one by one to introduce themselves. The other local was drinking a beer and his clothes were kinda not so clean I guess for the lack of a better term and I literally saw the last two chicas who introduced them selves ran back behind the curtain right away and appeared to be laughing at the local with not so clean clothes. The two locals didn't pick anyone so the mamasan came out and she saw me standing in the corner (I didn't know what to do, it was my first time) and told me to come sit down at the couch. I sat and she brought all the girls out, probably 30 of them but honestly, I was not so impressed. Maybe I'm just really picky but they were not as good as the chicas in Tijuana last time I went there back in 2009. They all looked young but some have effed up teeth, not fat but loose belly, and so on. I ended choosing the chica who sat right next to me as she appeared to be the cutest. I said " Me gustaria " while pointing at her then she gestured as if she wants me to take two girls. I answered back and said yo necesito una chica. We left the 30 chicas plus the two locals behind. I didn't get to see her ass at first because the lobby was packed that's why she and some of them sat next to me while the rest stood up for the presentation. When she led me to the room as I followed her, I got the a first glass of those big ass. Again, she was taller than me. The negotiation began and she quoted me with 100 k for one hour with everything. I asked what comes with everything? Everything An al included? Hahaha. And she said no, it includes massage, oral and full sx. So I countered with 60 k and she insisted 100 for one hour. Again with my very very limited Spanish, I said solo necisito 30 minuto but I want to come in your mouth. She agreed with 30 minutes for 100 k and I get to come in her mouth. Action began with a BBBJ and boy, she gave me a BJ to die for. She took her time and she was spitting all over my di ck until I finally said put the condom on. She was also voluntarily playing with her CL it on all positions while being compliant as well with all the positions that I wanted. Ended with her mounting on my di ck and I wanted to kiss her but instead I put my finger on her mouth and she stared sucking on it while going from 45 to 80 kilometers per hour riding me. I couldn't hold it so I did not get to milk in her mouth but I was not disappointed because this session was way better compared to the first two girls from the stree. Started at 4:55 PM when she started sucking me and ended at 5:22 PM when I nutted. We spoke a little bit as we were getting dressed and she asked me if I've been to Medellin and I said no because it's dangerous out there. She said it depends but it is more dangerous out here in Bogota so I said, yeah I'll try to go next time.

Third day, I went back to Tantra hoping to see what kind of line ups they have in the morning but there were only 7 girls that came out and I recognized some of them from the day prior. I told the mamasan that I will come back later but she said I have more girls but they are busy with customers right now, please sit down for a few more minutes. I just kinda laughed it off inside my head and insisted that I will come back later. By the way, when I got there, there was one dude who appeared to be from USA to me. I almost wanted to talk to him but when the mamasan came out, he was speaking in spanish while pointing at what appears to be a girl from a website on his phone so may be they do have a website because I did not see him choose a girl but still went to the room while mamasan led him. Regardless, I left and took another uber to go see this other erotic massage place that I found from google map. Got there and the mamasan said the girls won't be here until 3 PM. Went back to my room and started searching online. Found this website that supposedly has university students and some professionals who are sidelining as escorts. The lowest price I saw was 290 k per hour with 800 k per hour. All the chicas faces were blurred out and they all have banging bodies like model types. I had a feeling that it was too good to be true but if they are charging that high then it maybe is true. Scheduled for a 5 PM session with 370 k per hour plus 2 k taxi in my room because they only do outcalls (students and professionals). Chica came and she was pretty to my taste and sexy like big butt and tight waste and big tits but she's not the picture shown from the website. I was kind of disappointed when I started touching her because I realized she's filled with silicones including her butt which I'm not a big fan of. We did two rounds with BBBJ and I got to milk on her mouth for an additional 150 k (she asked for the money before we had sx and asked for another tip in the end which I gave her 50 k). I know, I took the hit for you guys. My negotiation skills didn't kick in at that time. I was like, I got you in my room so efffff it, let's have fun. The one hour session became over two hours. But her BJ skills and the overall sx was not as good as the Tantra chica.

Now for those who are getting disappointed because chica wouldn't do kissing and wouldn't let you lick the cookie even for extra fee, don't do it man. Don't do it. The chick from Tantra went right back to shaking hands with the two new locals as soon as I stepped out from the bathroom. I didn't get to milk in her mouth so may be it's okay and I had Condon on so maybe she didn't need to wash. The street girls were the same. And I've seen a post in this forum about there is some kind of shot or something you can take to minimize the possibility of contracting HIV? Imagine everyone in here gets the shot and goes around barebacking everything, I still think that is a high risk. It might be fine taking the shot if you have multiple partners at home but not with the intention of barebacking all the chicas on red-light districts. That's just my thought on that so please don't get mad at me.

And here's the scam: Saturday morning. Messaged multiple chicas from the prepaagos website and no one replied but one. Website said 110 k for an hour then she say's I made a mistake from the website, it's supposed to be 220 k but I negotiated it back down to 120. I know you never pay ahead especially online but she wanted 50% down and I thought I remember reading in this forum that you pay some amount first to seal the deal that's why it's called prepago which means prepaid and what's 13 dollars so okay. They wanted me to pay through some etc etc xitttt that I am not familiar with so I offered PayPal they said okay. Tried to pay through PayPal and the minimum you can send is 107 k and some change COP so I said whatever, efffit, go for it. After going back and forth with the chica and her supposedly manager trying to get their information because PayPal wouldn't go through with missing information, I finally gave up after I received an email from PayPal saying that my transaction is on hold because I needed to upload some documents first after spending 2 hours trying to send the payment. I apologized to both and said the payment is way too complicated and I don't want to waste your time anymore. I would proceed with the service if I pay in cash then they told me I need an advance pay for the chic to be released from wherever the hell she's at which appears to be about. 3 miles away from where my Airbnb is at when she sent me her live location. That's when I started getting multiple phone calls and multiple messages from ten different numbers in WhatsApp. Some appears to be other chicas from prepagos. I never picked up and never read the messages until now because I already know they are just trying to extort some money from me as soon as I saw the word "ayudarme" from the chica I was talking too. I really wanted to go see club Troya at night but I think I'll just lay back in my room to watch the UFC with my beer since I haven't had a drink since I've been here in Colombia which is good because I've been drinking everyday back home.

[QUOTE=Marglo;2961555]I am in Bogota every month and stay in 4 and 5 star hoyels and I have never had an issue with guests. I have no clue what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]I assume you are responding to the post that I responded to. I said nothing about hotels.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2961646]I assume you are responding to the post that I responded to. I said nothing about hotels.[/QUOTE]I take the blame on me. So now we learn that in Colombia 4- and 5-star hotels are girl-friendly. Well, well, well,...

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2961514]It has been quite chilly here like 53 F everyday-.

This is one that I saw but maybe sold out since it is so cold?

[URL]https://www.homecenter.com.co/homecenter-co/product/658400/calentador-electrico-practico-de-aire-caliente-wonder-heater/658400/[/URL][/QUOTE]I've only been offered a heater when I used to stay at hotels, like the Vilar America, but since I started doing airbnb, that has been nonexistent in my travels. I have to do with some blankets and a warm spinner girl body next to me overnight.

[QUOTE=AndrewM1;2961353]I contacted two chicas from the prepagos website and they were asking for advance payment. Is that how it works here? And if so, how did you pay?[/QUOTE]You never EVER send money upfront. Total scam.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2961126]"It seems that"? You did not read this?
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2958265&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2958265.
That should be obvious to all who spend money abroad with cards.[/QUOTE]I did read it, but not to sound rude, I always like to do my own verfications when I get bits of info.

[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2961457]Guys, do any of you remember if they have those small heaters in the rooms or should I take mine with me?[/QUOTE]Why carry yours? Pop over to your nearest Lowe's-type shed and pick up something cheap when you arrive.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2961714]Why carry yours? Pop over to your nearest Lowe's-type shed and pick up something cheap when you arrive.[/QUOTE]Home center is where he will want to go. There is one inside the Centro Comercial Calima (not too far from Santa Fe). He csn also try an exito but only a bigger one with the electronics section, I think at the centro comercial san martin (also not far. From santa fe).

Shouldn't cost too much. I think in 2020 I picked up a cheap ninja brand portable heater at an exito for like 140 mil.

If you're staying in an older hotel though, be careful when using it on the high heat setting. For some reason with mine the cord got hot and began to melt and smoke and made the power socket melt but only when I had it on high heat. On low heat it was fine.

-Gabacho.

I'll be back to Bogota end of month. Will stay for a couple of weeks. I plan to revisit Tantra Spa, Lux Spa, Absolut and Santa Fe action. I enjoyed visiting these places this past April and hope to run into a few particular chicas again. I will stay near Gold museum, parque lourdes and parque 93 over my stay.

Couple questions. Who is the dentist and the optician / optometrist? I see them on the google map search and have visited websites. Anyone have a good experience and can suggest an office / doctor? Nothing serious. Basic dental exam / cleaning. Possible Invisalign type retainer replacement, tooth whitening, if offered. I am considering a dentist in The Country Medical Center or another near by.

I bought a couple of eyeglass frames near cra10 and cl19 last year. I need an exam and lenses built and fitted. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Maybe I might spend my money with the right people.

Be Well!

[QUOTE=Clavito;2961869]I'll be back to Bogota end of month. Will stay for a couple of weeks. I plan to revisit Tantra Spa, Lux Spa, Absolut and Santa Fe action. I enjoyed visiting these places this past April and hope to run into a few particular chicas again. I will stay near Gold museum, parque lourdes and parque 93 over my stay.

Couple questions. Who is the dentist and the optician / optometrist? I see them on the google map search and have visited websites. Anyone have a good experience and can suggest an office / doctor? Nothing serious. Basic dental exam / cleaning. Possible Invisalign type retainer replacement, tooth whitening, if offered. I am considering a dentist in The Country Medical Center or another near by.

I bought a couple of eyeglass frames near cra10 and cl19 last year. I need an exam and lenses built and fitted. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Maybe I might spend my money with the right people.[/QUOTE]This Guy Camilo has a clinic on Calle 125 -- I have had implants and a root canal --No Problems. He does a lot of cosmetic stuff.

[URL]https://www.nexdu.com/co/bogota-dc-dc/empresa/dr-camilo-novoa-bolivar-coe-483260[/URL]#telefonos-why-direccion.

Direccióand: Cra 20 No. 125 - 38 Consultorio 106 Coe, Centro Odontologico Especialistas.

Ciudad o Municipio: Bogotá the. See, Bogotá the. See. Colombia.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2961890]This Guy Camilo has a clinic on Calle 125 -- I have had implants and a root canal --No Problems. He does a lot of cosmetic stuff.

[URL]https://www.nexdu.com/co/bogota-dc-dc/empresa/dr-camilo-novoa-bolivar-coe-483260[/URL]#telefonos-why-direccion.

Direcciand: Cra 20 No. 125 - 38 Consultorio 106 Coe, Centro Odontologico Especialistas.

Ciudad o Municipio: Bogot the. See, Bogot the. See. Colombia.[/QUOTE]Fantastic! Thank you, Woodman. I appreciate this suggestion and will follow up on it. I have enjoyed visiting Bogota and know there will be more medical tourism in my future.

As well, let me thank you, in general, for your many contributions to this forum!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=AndrewM1;2961353]I contacted two chicas from the prepagos website and they were asking for advance payment. Is that how it works here? And if so, how did you pay?[/QUOTE]Absolutely a scam, that's not how it works in locombia. Never.

Photoprepagos (PP) can be hit or miss, but I think it gets A LOT more bad press here than it deserves. At the risk of Murphy paying me a visit, I will say my success rate is like 90% on PP.

It has always been the same chica as in the pix. Of course the pix are often a few years old and have a modest amount of photoshop. But I've never had a different person show or the photos being overly photoshopped.

PP Pros:

+ Wide variety of ages, shapes, and sizes.

+ Availability Sundays, festivos, mornings.

+ Site has good filters to narrow your search.

+ Lots of domicillios and in call.

+ Many ads with AUDIO and videos. I particularly like the audios as I can read a lot into voice tone and word choice.

+ Much better odds of success than Mileroticos.

+ Many independents, but absolutely some are not.

+ Most with clear pricing. Many are high value, some are muyyy barato.

PP Cons:

- Many listed won't return whatsapp for a while. Could be hours.

- If you get a reply quickly, the person you chat with might be the chica, or might be someone else. If it takes a while, it's likely the chica.

You can do a reverse search on the phone number and.

- Punctuality a mixed bag. Long delays not uncommon. If you have a tight schedule or impatient, this is NOT the source for you.

ProTip; search their number on forosprepagocolombia punto com. Reviews by locals. Yes, some false reviews.

If you have sufficient cash, goto lacelestina for better odds. While no place is perfect, my experiences with them have been outstanding.

Always punctual (unless unexpected traffic) and always same a photos.

[QUOTE=GauntMan;2961677]I've only been offered a heater when I used to stay at hotels, like the Vilar America, but since I started doing airbnb, that has been nonexistent in my travels.[/QUOTE]If you have a heater, hide it when you leave the hotel to go out as some housekeeping will keep it or report you. Fire hazard, against policy, etc. And if it is an older building, it could indeed be quite dangerous.

If you buy one there with no intention of bringing it home, you can use as barter in exchange for time and services. Most chicas will never have seen it and will love it.

Judge how much it is worth to them by how they say "que riiiico!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2959135]The 3 favorites are San Francisco, Ibis and Teqendama Suites -- There are many cheaper hotels in the area too.

I picked out a bunch of AirBnB a while ago.
Keep in mind you should always communicate about guests with the owner.

--This just a partial list.

Near SF.

long list of AirBnbs [/QUOTE]I have been hesitant in posting this for a while because Woodman's comments are usually flawless and who am I to even question his wisdom. But a recent RL conversation compelled me to post.

Personally, I would be hesitant to stay at the places on Woodman's list. If you are first time visitor and / or your street skills / spanish are poor, I would think twice. I checked the listings Woodman posted and there didn't seem to be lobby security in many. Many of those places are just a block or two from Caracas. That is a very short walk from SF. And walking there with company or alone and you will be noticed and could easily be followed. Because the side streets are often empty when I've been there, I am more wary of that are than SF itself.

My creds: I've stayed over 400 nights in AirBnbs in BOG and know the city from north to south, east to west. While I usually stay between 72 and 120, I have stayed further south. I have conversation spanish, but not completely fluent. There are plenty of decent airbnbs in the various towers around Univ de LOS Andres / Museo Nacional and I've stayed there too. But those are absolutely not guest friendly. AirBnbs all over are less guest friendly than in years past and it's still a YMMV. Often all guests have to be registered by the apartment owner.

IF the apartment building uses a 3rd party security service, there will probably be a guard rotation where you don't see the same guard twice. For those, your chances are near zero for getting one of them to bend the rules are zero in my experience. However, if it is an older building and the same guard is there night after night. Have a chat with them, order something for them on your next Rappi, etc. They will let you know if you can bring someone. AND they will register the chica, keep their cedula and probably ring you to confirm todo bien as she leaves. Those places are gems but they do exist. No, I will not reveal my list.

Also, your chances of entry into apartment building or hotel go down a lot when there's a large age difference between you and your new friend and / or she is not dressed as someone who might live in the building.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2962013]I have been hesitant in posting this for a while because Woodman's comments are usually flawless and who am I to even question his wisdom. But a recent RL conversation compelled me to post.

Personally, I would be hesitant to stay at the places on Woodman's list. If you are first time visitor and / or your street skills / spanish are poor, I would think twice. I checked the listings Woodman posted and there didn't seem to be lobby security in many. Many of those places are just a block or two from Caracas. That is a very short walk from SF. And walking there with company or alone and you will be noticed and could easily be followed. Because the side streets are often empty when I've been there, I am more wary of that are than SF itself.

My creds: I've stayed over 400 nights in AirBnbs in BOG and know the city from north to south, east to west. While I usually stay between 72 and 120, I have stayed further south. I have conversation spanish, but not completely fluent. There are plenty of decent airbnbs in the various towers around Univ de LOS Andres / Museo Nacional and I've stayed there too. But those are absolutely not guest friendly. AirBnbs all over are less guest friendly than in years past and it's still a YMMV. Often all guests have to be registered by the apartment owner.[/QUOTE]I know some of those on that list-- I just picked those out of the area-- I only wanted to give guys an idea of the area. Some of those are good and others I do not know-.

And I did say -- 'Keep in mind you should always communicate about guests with the owner' Good Luck on your quests.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2961890]This Guy Camilo has a clinic on Calle 125 -- I have had implants and a root canal --No Problems. He does a lot of cosmetic stuff.
Direcciand: Cra 20 No. 125 - 38 Consultorio 106 Coe, Centro Odontologico Especialistas.

Ciudad o Municipio: Bogot the. See, Bogot the. See. Colombia.[/QUOTE]While I don't know this guy, I have had plenty of dental work done in BOG and highly recco it. I've paid for months long trip based on how much I saved. And that's paying en efecitvo in BOG versus having full dental insurance at home. So much so that I canceled dental insurance. I did have a root canal and full complicated implant. In BOG my primary dentist is a bit old school and doesn't do everything -- just the most complicated parts (implants). I went to another place at his direction for full mouth xray (paid cash, it was really cheap IMO), I got results on whatsapp in minutes and sent them to him myself. He looked at them and told me to go to another Dr near unicentro for root canal. She's waiting for you. She did the root canal right then. Wish I kept her info. She was hot and probably would have accepted an invite for dinner. After that I went back to my dentist. He gave me temp crown and I went back less than a week later for the real deal. IIRC it was less than 2 million.

Dental work of all types, cosmetic / skin related stuff. For sure BOG and MDE are two of the best locations in the world for that kind of medical tourism. I don't think I would have any major surgery there. But for sure Bangkok is a good option for that.

I have also needed MRI and ultrasound. Got those as a walk in at imaging clinic. Ultrasound was like 70 K and I got interpretation by the MD who was running the machine. Yes, an MD running the machine not a tech. It wasn't the latest machine. But I got the printout and they put on USB that I had. 2 months later in US I got another ultrasound and they used the file from BOG as comparison. I paid more in parking in the US for that procedure than I did for the whole thing in BOG.

Hey everyone, I'm thinking of going to Bogota for the first time next month. I've been to Medellin many times but not Bogota. Just wondering if there is a safe area there similar to Parque Lleras in Medellin, and / or a hotel similar to the Mansion. Also, any suggestion for a hotel or apartment in a safe area that is chica friendly? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2962013]I have been hesitant in posting this for a while because Woodman's comments are usually flawless and who am I to even question his wisdom. But a recent RL conversation compelled me to post.

Personally, I would be hesitant to stay at the places on Woodman's list. If you are first time visitor and / or your street skills / spanish are poor, I would think twice. I checked the listings Woodman posted and there didn't seem to be lobby security in many. Many of those places are just a block or two from Caracas. That is a very short walk from SF. And walking there with company or alone and you will be noticed and could easily be followed. Because the side streets are often empty when I've been there, I am more wary of that are than SF itself.

My creds: I've stayed over 400 nights in AirBnbs in BOG and know the city from north to south, east to west. While I usually stay between 72 and 120, I have stayed further south. I have conversation spanish, but not completely fluent. There are plenty of decent airbnbs in the various towers around Univ de LOS Andres / Museo Nacional and I've stayed there too. But those are absolutely not guest friendly. AirBnbs all over are less guest friendly than in years past and it's still a YMMV. Often all guests have to be registered by the apartment owner.

IF the apartment building uses a 3rd party security service, there will probably be a guard rotation where you don't see the same guard twice. For those, your chances are near zero for getting one of them to bend the rules are zero in my experience. However, if it is an older building and the same guard is there night after night. Have a chat with them, order something for them on your next Rappi, etc. They will let you know if you can bring someone. AND they will register the chica, keep their cedula and probably ring you to confirm todo bien as she leaves. Those places are gems but they do exist. No, I will not reveal my list.

Also, your chances of entry into apartment building or hotel go down a lot when there's a large age difference between you and your new friend and / or she is not dressed as someone who might live in the building.[/QUOTE]I don't question your credibility, but I have never had issues brining guests over in Bogota. 90% of the time I didn't even register them, even though every single building I have stayed at has reception / security. We just walk in and head straight to the elevator. I have stayed in Chapinero mostly, also around parque 93 and zona T, and also stayed a few times in Usaquen and a few smaller neighborhoods up north. In Medellin its a different story, I have to register my guests every time.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2963081]Just wondering if there is a safe area there similar to Parque Lleras in Medellin, and / or a hotel similar to the Mansion. [/QUOTE]Your memories of Medellin must date several years back. Parque LLeras is now thrash, and Mansion changed name a few times, changed style, and now it is probably even closed (I admit I have no idea of what remained of it).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2963156]Your memories of Medellin must date several years back. Parque LLeras is now thrash, and Mansion changed name a few times, changed style, and now it is probably even closed (I admit I have no idea of what remained of it).[/QUOTE]And they had shitty towels too from what I've read.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2959135]The 3 favorites are San Francisco, Ibis and Teqendama Suites -- There are many cheaper hotels in the area too.[/QUOTE]Do these hotels allow guests? Do you know of any hotel that does? I'm thinking about going to Bogota next month and am researching where to stay. TIA.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2963317]Do these hotels allow guests? Do you know of any hotel that does? I'm thinking about going to Bogota next month and am researching where to stay. TIA.[/QUOTE]Teqendama Suites allow guests.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2963317]Do these hotels allow guests? Do you know of any hotel that does? I'm thinking about going to Bogota next month and am researching where to stay. TIA.[/QUOTE]All 3 are GF with ID.

I hear Teqendama Suites only let's Venezuelan girls in with a passport which most do not have.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2959135]The 3 favorites are San Francisco, Ibis and Teqendama Suites -- There are many cheaper hotels in the area too.

I picked out a bunch of AirBnB a while ago.

Keep in mind you should always communicate about guests with the owner.

--This just a partial list.

Near SF.

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[QUOTE] All 3 are GF with ID.

I hear Teqendama Suites only let's Venezuelan girls in with a passport which most do not have.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Do these hotels charge a guest fee?

I find the immigration rules very confusing.

Does everyone need to leave before Jan 1? And return Jan 1 or later, if they want to follow the law?

Walking around Chapinero got these-- 69 has 40 girls so in that area there are 4-6 clubs.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2963439]All 3 are GF with ID.

I hear Teqendama Suites only let's Venezuelan girls in with a passport which most do not have.[/QUOTE]IBIS doesn't care who you bring at any time, if it's 2 am and you walk in with a girl they just open sliding doors for you at the main gate.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2963793]I find the immigration rules very confusing.

Does everyone need to leave before Jan 1? And return Jan 1 or later, if they want to follow the law?[/QUOTE]As I understand it yes 180 days per calender year on a tourist visa. Usually they give you 3 month at a time.

It's a rolling 365 period. So no. You can spend the new year in country.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2963793]I find the immigration rules very confusing.

Does everyone need to leave before Jan 1? And return Jan 1 or later, if they want to follow the law?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2963793]I find the immigration rules very confusing.

Does everyone need to leave before Jan 1? And return Jan 1 or later, if they want to follow the law?[/QUOTE]What rules are you referring to? Your question is vague. Where did you hear that you need to leave on Jan 1?

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2963960]What rules are you referring to? Your question is vague. Where did you hear that you need to leave on Jan 1?[/QUOTE]I read in the MED thread some time back, that a guy arrived right before Jan 1.

Only to find out he had to fly out (anywhere) to Panama for a few days and then return after Jan 1.

Here in Bogota now is there anyone wanting to hang out?

[QUOTE=Benargen35;2964183]Here in Bogota now is there anyone wanting to hang out?[/QUOTE]You need a membership to be able to PM. Get one so that anyone that wants to hang out can message you.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2963411]Teqendama Suites allow guests.[/QUOTE]Tequendama Suites is where the family of Pablo stayed while he was on the run. The rooms have a bedroom separated from the living room by a sliding divider and have a nice kitchen where you can cook. They have a free breakfast. However, make sure the taxi or Uber understands that the Tequendama Suites is where you want to go as nearby is the better known Hotel Tequendama. Also the entrance is odd as the lobby entrance is about 20 yards from the street and is a bit hairy late at night.

[QUOTE=FrugalGringo;2966260]Tequendama Suites is where the family of Pablo stayed while he was on the run. The rooms have a bedroom separated from the living room by a sliding divider and have a nice kitchen where you can cook. They have a free breakfast. However, make sure the taxi or Uber understands that the Tequendama Suites is where you want to go as nearby is the better known Hotel Tequendama. Also the entrance is odd as the lobby entrance is about 20 yards from the street and is a bit hairy late at night.[/QUOTE]GREAT info for all. Many years ago I mistakenly booked the other one. Stayed only one night because it was a bit runned down for my taste. Tequendama Suites is much nicer. The area around Museo Nacional is fine in daytime and early evening. Late night, keep your awareness about you. Although I regularly walk very long distances in the day, I would not walk SF to this hotel at night.

IMHO, these are the best weeks of the year to be in Bogota. Festive mood for everyone and there are many chicas looking to get holiday money, so the supply goes way up. And in my opinion lots of talent.

[QUOTE=FrugalGringo;2966260]Tequendama Suites is where the family of Pablo stayed while he was on the run. The rooms have a bedroom separated from the living room by a sliding divider and have a nice kitchen where you can cook. They have a free breakfast. However, make sure the taxi or Uber understands that the Tequendama Suites is where you want to go as nearby is the better known Hotel Tequendama. Also the entrance is odd as the lobby entrance is about 20 yards from the street and is a bit hairy late at night.[/QUOTE]I heard the Hotel Teqendama was where the Escobar family were under House arrest-- They also featured that hotel in Narcos where they put them. The Suites area is not dangerous at night tons of guards and soldiers there 24-7.

[QUOTE=GasparLeMarc12;2964383]You need a membership to be able to PM. Get one so that anyone that wants to hang out can message you.[/QUOTE]I stay in Teqendama Suites. Please PM me if like to hangout.

When the shooting starts I sure hope they don't shoot me instead of the criminals.

[URL]https://thecitypaperbogota.com/bogota/mayor-galan-launches-police-offensive-to-reclaim-bogotas-centro-from-organized-crime/[/URL]

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[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2966613]When the shooting starts I sure hope they don't shoot me instead of the criminals.

[URL]https://thecitypaperbogota.com/bogota/mayor-galan-launches-police-offensive-to-reclaim-bogotas-centro-from-organized-crime/[/URL][/QUOTE]I'll be waiting for a stop and frisk from one LOL. To be fair the area they are in (San victorino) is somewhere that you're not really going to be in. It is a fun bustling area with loads of vendors around if you want to venture into it but I had an unsuccessful pickpocket attempt here and the high crowds of the area just makes me feel as though it's a pickpocket paradise.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2966665]I'll be waiting for a stop and frisk from one LOL. To be fair the area they are in (San victorino) is somewhere that you're not really going to be in. It is a fun bustling area with loads of vendors around if you want to venture into it but I had an unsuccessful pickpocket attempt here and the high crowds of the area just makes me feel as though it's a pickpocket paradise.[/QUOTE]I do think that Bogota has the prettiest police force of all time. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2966319]I heard the Hotel Teqendama was where the Escobar family were under House arrest-- They also featured that hotel in Narcos where they put them. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2966295]GREAT info for all. Many years ago I mistakenly booked the other one. Stayed only one night because it was a bit runned down for my taste. [/QUOTE]I stayed at the Hotel Tequendama several times years ago, when FARC and the ELN were still threats. I was told that the Colombian military owned the hotel. I'm not sure if that's true, but the two "militares" with assault rifles beside the front door were a nice touch. And impressed my dates. At that time the rooms were dated but in reasonably good shape.

And yes, the Tequendama was indeed the hotel where the Escobars were ensconced.

Coming back to Bogota next year. Me and a buddy, going to show him around and have a great time. Do have a question still. Scope looks like it is a big threat in midellin, is it bad in Bogota. Will be using seeking some and also free lancers mostly. But wanting to be safe also. What do you guys think?

I'll be in Bogota Thursday first time there so I'm using a lot of seeking but I also want to learn the area since I think Colombia could be a place for me to retire at! Any advice is welcome ty.

I'm in Bogota now, staying near Zona T. Going to check out a few of the north casa first, have a few SA meetings, and head down to SF. Let me know if anyone is here and wants to grab a drink and / or out some places. PM me. I'll report back later.

[QUOTE=Mckilla;2967166]I'll be in Bogota Thursday first time there so I'm using a lot of seeking but I also want to learn the area since I think Colombia could be a place for me to retire at! Any advice is welcome ty.[/QUOTE]You titled your post "Zona T" . I am not sure if you are asking about that specific area or retiring in Bogota or to Colombia?

If you are looking for retiring in Colombia, you should head to Colombia expat forums. There are a few good ones specific to Colombia that can give you real advice.

If you are looking at Zona T as an area to live in or pursue the hobby. Well, the answer to both of those are no in my opinion. In my opinion there are much better areas of Bogota to live, and also much better areas to play. Zona T (T is for Tolerencia) is an area with a few higher end malls, a lot of restaurants, and bars. Few residential buildings in Zona T proper, but the adjacent neighborhoods are much nicer. And there are a few areas to play (casas, masaje) in the Zona, you're much better off elsewhere unless you plan on only domicilio.

For those of you that have or have had novias living with their family still. I am hoping to pick your brain.

I won't be around for either holiday, but I want to give something basic that is meaningful. I have met her mother, her sister, and some of her friends. Spent some time on other holidays in their neighborhood. Not looking to impress or "shower with gifts". I just want to do something that is nice.

Any suggestions?

I mean I could always give her some money before I go with the purpose of it being used for food / drinks for a good time. But I am hoping to do something more than just putting some money in her hand. I am not looking to marry her or gain her mothers approval or anything. But I respect her / them so if there is some small gifts I can leave individually for the tree or just a group gift. I would like to make the extra effort.

Which Barrios don't have every building with security guards? They are often very uptight and very nosy. I'the like to do my business without so much prying eyes.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968029]
Any suggestions?

I mean I could always give her some money before I go with the purpose of it being used for food / drinks for a good time. But I am hoping to do something more than just putting some money in her hand. I am not looking to marry her or gain her mothers approval or anything. But I respect her / them so if there is some small gifts I can leave individually for the tree or just a group gift. I would like to make the extra effort.[/QUOTE]Ask her, not us.

Jewelry like a necklace may be good, but it can get stolen in Mde if expensive and seen in public.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968029]For those of you that have or have had novias living with their family still. I am hoping to pick your brain.

I won't be around for either holiday, but I want to give something basic that is meaningful. I have met her mother, her sister, and some of her friends. Spent some time on other holidays in their neighborhood. Not looking to impress or "shower with gifts". I just want to do something that is nice.

Any suggestions?

I mean I could always give her some money before I go with the purpose of it being used for food / drinks for a good time. But I am hoping to do something more than just putting some money in her hand. I am not looking to marry her or gain her mothers approval or anything. But I respect her / them so if there is some small gifts I can leave individually for the tree or just a group gift. I would like to make the extra effort.[/QUOTE]This is a question you need to ask artificial intelligence. Here; chatgpt.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968029]For those of you that have or have had novias living with their family still. I am hoping to pick your brain.

I won't be around for either holiday, but I want to give something basic that is meaningful.[/QUOTE]I would suggest nothing or either ask them. Nothing like receiving a gift that you have no use for. But if you insist, then get them a puppy. Colombians like dogs.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2963812]Walking around Chapinero got these-- 69 has 40 girls so in that area there are 4-6 clubs.[/QUOTE]There are only 2 I think. The 69 and the pussy house. Both dead most days. The good days are long gone.

Where have you seen other club in this area? Most places are day light casas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968090]I would suggest nothing or either ask them. Nothing like receiving a gift that you have no use for. But if you insist, then get them a puppy. Colombians like dogs.[/QUOTE]I mean that's an answer. But I guess maybe you guys think a gift is something big. In USA in a normal girlfriend situation I would have gotten a bottle of wine for the adults to share and some candy for each of the kids with their name on it so they have something extra to open. It balances the fact that I am not part of their family, but that I was thinking about them given the fact that I have spent some time with them in the past. Just some sincerity around the Christmas season.

I certainly appreciate the responses and it appears as though the answer is no. That you guys don't have any suggestions based on your experience with girlfriends in Colombia. And I do understand this is a mongering forum :-)

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968159]I mean that's an answer. But I guess maybe you guys think a gift is something big. [/QUOTE]A few years ago another board member mentioned getting pickles for his girlfriend's family and they loved it.

Gift her condoms.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968159]I mean that's an answer. But I guess maybe you guys think a gift is something big. In USA in a normal girlfriend situation I would have gotten a bottle of wine for the adults to share and some candy for each of the kids with their name on it so they have something extra to open. It balances the fact that I am not part of their family, but that I was thinking about them given the fact that I have spent some time with them in the past. Just some sincerity around the Christmas season.

I certainly appreciate the responses and it appears as though the answer is no. That you guys don't have any suggestions based on your experience with girlfriends in Colombia. And I do understand this is a mongering forum[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968029]For those of you that have or have had novias living with their family still. I am hoping to pick your brain.

I won't be around for either holiday, but I want to give something basic that is meaningful. I have met her mother, her sister, and some of her friends. Spent some time on other holidays in their neighborhood. Not looking to impress or "shower with gifts". I just want to do something that is nice.

Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Ferrero Rocher chocolate.

Of course my regular said she loved it. But she bragged about it to her friends. And her daughter gave me this loving look, hugged me, and blew me a kiss.

If you're from the US, you can pick it up at a good price at Costco, especially when it goes on sale.

Finally posting a much overdue trip report. I visited in early September and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Hotels:

Tequendama Suites. Hotel is definitely a bit dated, but the views are great and the rooms are huge. Opening a window to cool the place down brought in plenty of traffic noise but I don't mind a sense of place. It's definitely girl friendly, but I didn't push it with Santa Fe girls or PP girls. One trick I learned is using the Casino Aladdin as an Uber dropoff point puts you right by the front door and in sight of the hotel security guys.

GHL Hamilton. Probably not girl friendly, but begrudgingly let me bring in a chica. One elevator per tower makes it slow to get in and out, and it's small enough that you'll probably get to know everyone there. That may or may not be your style.

Some misc thoughts:

- LaCelestina is highly reliable, but just message them and tell them what you want and get some photos. Don't try to pick from the site- those girls don't match to the names they show available and it's impossible to sort through it.

Santa Fe strip clubs are pretty cool and there's definitely good selection there, but those are some hardened pros in there.

Santa Fe itself is less scary than I some posts made it out to be. Having Woodman alongside is was huge though. It would be fun to check out in the day on another visit.

I should have visited Tantra spa like Woodman suggested. I'll be sure to visit next time.

Encounters:

-LaCelestina: Ingrid.

Arrived late and the taxi-cab dropped me off at Tequendama hotel like everyone says will happen, but it was difficult to communicate with the uber driver, so I just went with it and made my way to the Tequendama Suites via the parking garage.

Once I was checked in, I messaged LaCelestina hoping for a blonde spinner. They messaged back pictures of a few beauties, and after a few rounds of who was and wasn't actually available they eventually sent me a dark haired petite girl with ample breasts. She arrived quickly and the front desk checked her ID and she came up to my room. She spoke a little English which was great and we negotiated additional services (oral natural, venida a cara). She was so hot and did a great job stroking my ego and worshiping my dick. She made me finish embarrassingly quickly. I took her number with the hopes of a possible trio later in the week. My only complaint with her was that she didn't like having her tits squeezed, but they were so very squeezable.

I think it was 400 mil for the hour, and the up-charges were hefty 200 for oral natural and 200 for COF. I'm sure I'll get flamed for paying too much, but LaCelestina is all about the convenience and guaranteed girl. It was worth it for a late first night in town.

-Woodman Tour + Street Vennie.

Woodman is great. Such a nice dude and he really knows everyone down in Santa Fe. We first had some great BBQ and then Woodman took me around the blocks, helped me get some viagra for the night and some doxycycline packs. We toured in and out of just about every strip club. But earlier in the night a little dark-skinned vennie had caught my eye on the street. Woodman circled the block with me a few times until we managed to find her. She was a 20 year old cutie with curly hair and really pretty eyes. I can't remember what we negotiated, but in the end I just gave her 100 mil for a longer GFE kinda thing. I was a bit skeezed out by the short time hotel and I kept everything covered on that one. It felt like I was in and out quick, but Woodman seemed to think it was a nice long session. Woodman was clear that it was kinda dead it was a Tuesday after all and that other days were much busier.

We toured around the strip clubs a bit more, but I was feeling wiped and knew my refractory period wasn't going to pass quickly. I ended up grabbing an uber back to the Tequendama Suites and crashing out for the night.

-Colorin Spa.

After a day of sightseeing I relocated to Chapinero in the GHL Hamilton (or maybe, Chico Norte?) and decided on a visit to Colorin spa as it was nearby. There were only two girls available and I decided I wanted a fuller more voluptuous girl so I went with the girl who answered the door instead of the bubbly wavy-haired blonde. It was 300 mil and an extra 100 mil for Oral Natural. She was uninspiring and disengaged but she had a great ass and some enjoyable MMs.

-Via Spa.

Spent the morning sight seeing again but took the afternoon off to check out Via Spa. There were about 7 chicas. Some 5's and 6's and one 7. 5 that I settled on. She was tatted up pretty heavily, but looked fit. Same as the day before the price was 300 mil + 100 mil oral natural and some more for DFK. She was really fun and got real into it. I don't remember her name. I did take her number but I didn't feel up for repeating.

-Club Blue Something?

On my last night I finally told the meseros hounding me that I would go check out the chicas. They are mostly trying to funnel guys into Olimpio which was just across the street from my hotel, but at the moment it was closed by some police activity and so I followed the dude to a club called Azul something. Pretty sure it was next to Ares pub on Carerra 14 a and Calle 83. My goodness it was expensive, but man did I love the girl lineup- felt like an absolute king. I picked a girl-next-door looking petite spinner who seemed to be hiding, but was too cute to miss. She came and cuddled up to me. We both had a drink and got down to brass tacks. I wanted TLN with, you guessed it oral natural, and she wanted 1200 mil. Did I let my little head spend my money, sure, but man it was a fun night. Definitely the best of the trip.

When we were ready to leave which was soon after. But not before the bar wanted me to pay a barfine, overpriced drinks plus a propina. It added on a non insignificant amount, but I wasn't in a state of mind where I cared- I just wanted to get rolling with that little spinner. The mesero from the street wanted to walk us back to my hotel- not really sure why, but he was a nice enough dude and made sure the chica didn't bail on me.

The front desk guy at the GHL Hamilton didn't like the situation at all and asked me if I "got her off the street", but he checked her ID which, I admit, was possibly was faked and made me sign a damage waiver.

I think I finally have clear understanding that my favorite version of this hobby is bringing the girl back to my hotel and having plenty of time to enjoy them.

I would just say that a gift is usually looked upon with good thoughts is one that's meaningful to that person. You probably know her better than some so that could really be anything. I mean damn, one girl I knew wanted nothing more than for me to buy a children's toy which she could then donate to a children's hospital. Meant the world to her and she was beyond thrilled when she took it to the group and dropped it off. I know because after that we went to lunch and she then told her work she was unable to come in and proceeded to squirt all over my face while I gave her oral which was a first for her so who knows. I guess what I'm getting at is that you probably need to ask her or just find out what she's into. Flowers are so cliche but nothing beats getting some especially if they weren't expected and are from an "admirer" that she then finds out is you. A gift card to a nice restaurant that she could take her parents too. I've noticed as well that in some of the Latin cultures doing something nice for the parents or the family is usually a big deal so I don't know if there's something you can do for a family member that maybe means a lot to her. Anyways some ideas.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968029]For those of you that have or have had novias living with their family still. I am hoping to pick your brain.

I won't be around for either holiday, but I want to give something basic that is meaningful. I have met her mother, her sister, and some of her friends. Spent some time on other holidays in their neighborhood. Not looking to impress or "shower with gifts". I just want to do something that is nice.

Any suggestions?

I mean I could always give her some money before I go with the purpose of it being used for food / drinks for a good time. But I am hoping to do something more than just putting some money in her hand. I am not looking to marry her or gain her mothers approval or anything. But I respect her / them so if there is some small gifts I can leave individually for the tree or just a group gift. I would like to make the extra effort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2968029]For those of you that have or have had novias living with their family still. I am hoping to pick your brain.

I won't be around for either holiday, but I want to give something basic that is meaningful. I have met her mother, her sister, and some of her friends. Spent some time on other holidays in their neighborhood. Not looking to impress or "shower with gifts". I just want to do something that is nice.

Any suggestions?

I mean I could always give her some money before I go with the purpose of it being used for food / drinks for a good time. But I am hoping to do something more than just putting some money in her hand. I am not looking to marry her or gain her mothers approval or anything. But I respect her / them so if there is some small gifts I can leave individually for the tree or just a group gift. I would like to make the extra effort.[/QUOTE]Usually when I fly to Colombia, I bring a thing or two that is not available or hard to find in Colombia. The most beloved are the least practical, and that is quality stuffed animals. My favorites are from Bearington and are the rabbits / bunnies. [URL]https://www.amazon.com/Bearington-Floppy-Longears-Stuffed-Animal/dp/B0037ATFY2?ref_=ast_sto_dp_btp&th=1[/URL]

Not only do the women love these animals; they literally fight over them. Thing is these stuffed animals are so soft and cute even I want to hold onto them. I have not seen this kind of quality in Colombia, and I have bought an embarrassing number. If my gal's daughter has a friend or cousin who is anxious, I buy them these, and to a woman / girl, they sleep with them every night and feel better. So yeah, these stupid stuffed animals are by far the most memorable gifts I have given.

On the practical side, I got my gal a Keurig one cup coffee maker. What bugged me was hauling the Keurig tins in my suitcase. Then I learned that you can buy a generic empty Keurig plastic tub and then pour whatever coffee into that generic tub. Before then, I was bringing all these different flavors in Keurig tubs to Colombia, and not just she but her friends would load up on cups of coffee with flavors not seen in Colombia. There are even tubs of hot chocolate with flavors like pumpkin spice for the little ones. The one cup coffee maker was like $50 but is used daily.

Also on the practical side and regularly used are a robot vacuum and if in Bogota, I would buy a space heater. On the higher end, I hated my gal's bed and bought a $300 memory foam mattress off of Amazon that was like $500 after delivery and taxes for our place. What is truly fucked up is I have not seen an actual real leather sofa or recliner in Colombia despite all their fucking cows. I am sure you do not want to spend that much but I really miss my leather furniture when in Colombia.

On the food side, root beer is not seen, and smores type sweets are not seen very often. The Colombians I gave those flavors to loved them.

I probably have forgotten some others, but I hope that helps.

Hello all,

I have been active in African Countries and Tijuana forum. I was planning for Nigeria this Year end and with the turn of events, I have an opportunity to make it to Colombia. I don't have much time to go through all threads to do my research so here's my question, I hope I get right answers from you.

I am IndianAmrican guy in 40's. In Tijuana, Mexico I can easily blend in.

1) What's the best city for our hobby in Colombia? (In terms of Safety, cost, beauty).

2) I see 1 USD = 4,400 COP, why people here write amount in Mil?

3) In your suggestion of cities, Could you please provide more details on what area to book hotel? Where to find girls?

4) On Medellin forum, I read Tinder is No No. What other online platform to find girls? In Tijuana, there are telegram channels for escorts.

5) Any other advice that help me to put together my sudden plan?

I would really appreciate all help and promise to make detail reports on my encounters / Experiences.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2968848]On the higher end, I hated my gal's bed and bought a $300 memory foam mattress off of Amazon that was like $500 after delivery and taxes for our place.[/QUOTE]A lot of times this will not translate well. I have been to chicks' house and it felt like I was sleeping on a marble slab. But they like it that way. The next day I was out buying a mattress. Never had to pay over $200 for one though. I figure since I do not have to pay a hotel, it does not kill me to buy a mattress so I can be comfortable.

Me and my girl in Peru were just at the JW Marriott for a couple of days. She hated that bed amd could not sleep well. On the last day checked out of there and went to a $20 hotel until I was leaving that night and she was sleeping like a baby on that mattress.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968940]A lot of times this will not translate well. I have been to chicks' house and it felt like I was sleeping on a marble slab. But they like it that way. The next day I was out buying a mattress. Never had to pay over $200 for one though. I figure since I do not have to pay a hotel, it does not kill me to buy a mattress so I can be comfortable.[/QUOTE]When we went to the malls, all the beds felt like marble slabs. I bought a brand off Amazon I used in the USA. I liked many of the hotel beds in Colombia but I never found similar beds in the market and gave up trying and went to Amazon.

The funny part is of all places to go where they sell American brands of beds in Central / South America is El Salvador. Not that I am a huge proponent of the big American brands like Searle or Tempurpedic, but when my gal and her daughter tried out those types of beds, they did not want to get out. I am guessing these bed brands are sold in El Salvador and not Colombia because of tariffs. As they live in Cartagena, we did buy those cooling fiber pillows which they use to this day. I have not seen those for sale in Colombia either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968940]Me and my girl in Peru were just at the JW Marriott for a couple of days. She hated that bed amd could not sleep well. On the last day checked out of there and went to a $20 hotel until I was leaving that night and she was sleeping like a baby on that mattress.[/QUOTE]That is too funny because I think Marriott has its own specific brand of bed. When it comes to playing it safe and having hot water in a shower and a decent bed for sleeping and fucking, Marriott has been my go to.

Thing about Bogota is that it is a great place to find a GF but the city itself is tough because of the weather, traffic, pollution, and altitude. I think because of the pollution, my nose is either running or congested within a day or two.

I have wondered about staying in the Bogota suburbs to the North like Chia, Cajica, and Zipaquira. Best hotel via search was Sabana Park in Cajica. I loved the hotel. It was four seasons quality at $70 a night. They had a thermostat in the room, a rarity in Bogota hotels, great beds, and I woke up congestion free.

We had been to Andres near the Andino mall, and the food was great, but it took them like 4 hours to serve us. My gal swore the Andres in Chia was better, and I loved that place. They served us in under an hour and had a bigger and always full dance floor. The street that Andres was on is I guess some kind of party type street, so there are similar places to try in the future I guess.

Unless I am having to stay close to the airport, the Sabana Park is my new go to hotel in Bogota.

[QUOTE=MysteryOcean;2968870]
I don't have much time to go through all threads to do my research so here's my question, I hope I get right answers from you.
[/QUOTE]You really need to read through the forum. The info you seek is there and repeated often. Go to Bogota Lists chat as well.

Your questions really can't be answered directly because what one person seeks can be completely different from another.

[QUOTE=MysteryOcean;2968870]
0) I am IndianAmrican guy in 40's. In Tijuana, Mexico I can easily blend in.
1) What's the best city for our hobby in Colombia? (In terms of Safety, cost, beauty).
2) I see 1 USD = 4,400 COP, why people here write amount in Mil?
3) In your suggestion of cities, Could you please provide more details on what area to book hotel? Where to find girls?
4) On Medellin forum, I read Tinder is No No. What other online platform to find girls? In Tijuana, there are telegram channels for escorts.
5) Any other advice that help me to put together my sudden plan?
[/QUOTE]0- Maybe, but very probably not. Colombian hispanics, though very diverse don't look much like Mexican hispanics. But it really doesn't matter after you open your mouth.

1- RTFF. You posted on the Bogota thread, so obviously you will get people who tell you it is Bogota. But what is right for one person.

2- Mil = thousand in Spanish.

3- RTFF.

4- RTFF.

5- RTFF.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2969017]You really need to read through the forum. The info you seek is there and repeated often. Go to Bogota Lists chat as well.

Your questions really can't be answered directly because what one person seeks can be completely different from another.

0- Maybe, but very probably not. Colombian hispanics, though very diverse don't look much like Mexican hispanics. But it really doesn't matter after you open your mouth.

1- RTFF. You posted on the Bogota thread, so obviously you will get people who tell you it is Bogota. But what is right for one person.

2- Mil = thousand in Spanish.

3- RTFF.

4- RTFF.

5- RTFF.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help. I only ask questions because I was in rush, my Africa trip cancelled last moment and I had to pick one country. I heard a lot about Colombia so I was willing to give it a shot. Else, I know RTFF, it doesn't hurt to answer if someone clearly says the reason for the question.

Also, I end up booking DR, crime shit isn't worth the visit to Colombia. But I appreciate answer for #2 and efforts for other questions.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2968131]There are only 2 I think. The 69 and the pussy house. Both dead most days. The good days are long gone.

Where have you seen other club in this area? Most places are day light casas.[/QUOTE]Did they change the location of Pussyhouse? I remember walking into a big door and you were greeted by a huge stage, now I looked on google maps it looks like this other place I used to go to but I have to go up these super narrow stairs. What is happening!

Any other spots to go to where I can see a lot of girls dancing and just chill.

Yes. Pussy house has changed location. And it's not as good as it once was. You're better off going yo 69 in my opinion.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2969308]Did they change the location of Pussyhouse? I remember walking into a big door and you were greeted by a huge stage, now I looked on google maps it looks like this other place I used to go to but I have to go up these super narrow stairs. What is happening!

Any other spots to go to where I can see a lot of girls dancing and just chill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2969573]Yes. Pussy house has changed location. And it's not as good as it once was. You're better off going yo 69 in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Which one is 69? Where is it at. Going to Bogota in March second time and it will be great.

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Nicoll 250 HR*+ 70 Oral Naturale.

Looking around Bogota for some talent, I was tired of going to them so I decided to get outcall. Luckily my Airbnb has security for only part of the day, at night it's all just co-workers and keycodes so come and go as you please. *.

I come across Nicoll who has a cute button nose and face, she is outcall only and doesn't host so I figure she will be more punctual cause this is her bread and butter. She is about 30 minutes from me and tells me she will arrive around that time. She was almost on time to a Tee, I got to the door and she looked exactly*in real life like the photo. *.

She stands about 5 ft with huge the cups that are barely contained in her shirt. A bit darker cinnamon almost coasteno complexion*but tells me she is from Cali. After fumbling with my lock we enter my place and she gets herself comfortable. She asks for money upfront*which is fine and then she starts to dance her plump little ass on my Johnson. I turn to her to kiss and she gives me very little pecks. She says in the text she is passionate and would do GFE but I'm not getting any DFK. I get it, I even eat some gum but that doesn't seem to help. Anyway moving on I get those HUGE fake tits out of her white tank top that is bursting. These are big but somehow soft and not too hard. They are way too big for her frame but I kind of like that. I go to kiss and suck them and she insists just be gentle. Her nips are like little erasers I can flick back and forth*and I get the rest of her clothes off. Her ass is super firm and plump but not big at all, but it almost looks too perfect like it's fake. I ask her if she got a BBL and it is just her going to the gym. I like the firmness of it and slap it. She says "Ouch no suave" She doesn't*like her ass slapped which is ok. *.

She slides me onto the bed gets my boxers off and just slowly starts stroking me while looking at me with her cat eyes. With a deep stare of passion, she slowly spits on my cock and gets into it. She might not be a kisser but damn if she doesn't have great DSL. She puts it into her velvet-like mouth and gives a nice amount of suction. I can already tell if she keeps doing it like this ill definitely pop on her mouth. She gives me an incredible BJ for what feels like '10 minutes while I start to play with her freshly shaved smooth pussy. She very sensitive there but she keeps sucking like a champ. She grabs the rubber, puts it on, spits on her pussy and guides me in. She is tiny and I can't go to deep AR first. We do missionary, sideways, her on top and finally in quatro. That ass was awesome but it was hard to not slap it by accident. I try to rub her clit while fucking her but she isn't having it. Its cool. I tell her I want to cum on her big tits she gladly obliges. We get to the couch but not before she has to listen to a WhatsApp message from I'm guessing her mamasan or beastie that checks in to know she is safe. It's annoying but whatever. She takes my cock, sucks some more, gets on her knees, and positions herself perfectly to take a load right in her huge tits. She says to me "Dame tu leche, yo quiero todo leche" she is really into it spitting and stroking and sucking and I finally pop what feels like an 8 roper. I go everywhere and she tries to cover a bit of it so I don't shoot everywhere but too late I got some in her curly hair hahah. * We clean up, talk for another 20 minutes, she raids my American Christmas candy bag, and then asks for some taxi fare. I just give her 20 mil to shut her up and I escort her out. I explained I wanted more kissing and she promised next time it's just that she is shy the first time and needed to be more comfortable. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt but a fun bubble girl to bang while in town. *.

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180*+ 50 K oral narturale.

I was really in the mood for a professional massage with*a happy ending. The kind I usually get when I'm in the States because it's the only economical*thing there as the rest of the prices in the US are inflated. I was feeling very stressed as well and wanted a pro.

She was pretty close in a nice upscale building. The type that's sort of one of those executive short-stay hotels. I arrive and have to show ID to a clerk at the front. I go up to the 5th floor and the door opens to a darkly lite apartment. A 37 yo (she says 29 but is looking closer to 40) Latina answers the door standing barely 5 ft wearing a pair of professional scrub uniforms. * I can tell from the outfit alone she will be a good massage.

She directs me to a bedroom but first asks me to wash my hands and then get undressed. I lay down while she gets ready, about 4 minutes pass, she comes back into the room and then grabs a blanket and covers me. The chill of Bogota was pronounced but she knew exactly what I needed to feel comfortable. She even tucked the blanket under my feet so they wouldn't protrude out and become icebergs. She puts on some really good selections of music. Its like all these top 40 pop songs but in a romantic bosa nova style.

She starts with some lotion and goes on my arms, really really well, gets very deep with a lot of pressure. She gently moves the covers so that my body isn't fully exposed so I'm not too cold and just makes her way around. Gets really into my legs, back, and arms. She gets closer and is ready for the flip. She removes her bra and exposes full see cup bolt-ONS. She doesn't waste any time*and starts right away stroking my knish with some oil. She then spits and starts with a nice long BJ. She keeps this up and I already feel so relaxed I feel like I'm going to pop. I tell her let me have a little bit longer. She understands and just strokes my arms and hands etc. Eventually, she gets back to sucking and stroking and tells me to finish on her tits. I shoot all over and she laughs at the amount of custard I shoot out.

I take a nice hot shower, lather myself, get dressed and get on my way. If you want to a traditional happy ending rub and tug, jack shack style THIS is the provider to see.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2969788]I take a nice hot shower, lather myself, get dressed and get on my way. If you want to a traditional happy ending rub and tug, jack shack style THIS is the provider to see.[/QUOTE]Nice reports BC. Great to see you over there batting 1000.

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Sticking to the*upscale apartments in Usaquen I was looking for girls really open to facials. I found this hot little red head (fake but still works for her face) working near calle 122.

I don't live far but damn traffic at 1 pm on a Wedneday is no joke! Its the one thing I really hate about this city is you can be a couple blocks and it takes you 20 minutes to get there. And forget going during Piko (rush hour) you are better off walking!!

I arrive at the apartment, and her chubby friend meets me in the lobby and escorts me up to the apartment. Inside the living room, there is another one of her friends who covers herself with a blanket / jacket so we don't make any eye contact. * I am directed in a room down the hall where I wait about 5 minutes for her to arrive. She comes in, damn a nice stunner. She is Venezuelan* 5 3 with light carmel*skin, soft fake titties and a nice firm ass. * no baby damage or crazy tattoos either. I can see the incisions on her nipples where she got her implants but it doesn't look like implants. I can tell we are going to have fun.

She takes my money I explain what I want but then as she comes back in, dances*into my cock a little and tells me to start losing some clothes but then there is a buzzer at the door. She is like "Oh I had a domicillio. I'm like*"hurry up!' I am already half dressed and I lay down. The room has a chill in it and before I know it I'm death scrolling on my phone waiting for this girl to return. She was fumbling it and was gone for at least 7 minutes! My guess is she was eating. I told her "you told me to come at 1:30 because you were going to eat before, " and she denied it. *I was frustrated but not to the point of leaving but just annoyed. She bought me a corona too but I wasn't in the mood to drink. *.

We return to the action and she starts DFK with these plump lips. Really nice, very passionate, and then starts kissing my neck and nipples etc. I get her undressed and start sucking, licking, and biting her nipples. She enjoys it and asks me to go kinda hard. I feel her smooth pussy and can tell she has an innie from the way my hands just disappear inside her warm twat. She has some wetness but then bust out the lube so I can play with her more. She starts to suck me me and she is talented. Lots of deep throat, spit, eye contact. We get to fucking its cool but I really want to rush to cum on her face. She gets ready in position herself on the floor, pillow on the knees and towel ready to collect. * I slam*her right side of her entire face with nut juice. I mean it is everywhere! She laughs as I keep cumming. After*I finish she rushes out of the room naked to go clean herself off (this amazes me how these girls that share apartments can just run around naked full of nut on their face but whatever) She comes back after a minute, cleans me off and gives me a half ass massage. I walk about about an hour, feeling refreshed and her chubby friend escorts me out to my taxi. *.

I would say you want a team player that is going to fuck and let you nut on her face but don't mind the distraction then go for it.

She is a good fuck but just make sure you catch her before she is trying to do a bunch of errands. *.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2969801]Nice reports BC. Great to see you over there batting 1000.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think all the research and knowing the vibes has helped I haven't had a dud in a minute!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2969717][URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/dulce3125574633[/URL]

Nicoll 250 HR*+ 70 Oral Naturale.

Looking around Bogota for some talent, I was tired of going to them so I decided to get outcall. Luckily my Airbnb has security for only part of the day, at night it's all just co-workers and keycodes so come and go as you please. *.

I come across Nicoll who has a cute button nose and face, she is outcall only and doesn't host so I figure she will be more punctual cause this is her bread and butter. She is about 30 minutes from me and tells me she will arrive around that time. She was almost on time to a Tee, I got to the door and she looked exactly*in real life like the photo. *.

She stands about 5 ft with huge the cups that are barely contained in her shirt. A bit darker cinnamon almost coasteno complexion*but tells me she is from Cali. After fumbling with my lock we enter my place and she gets herself comfortable. She asks for money upfront*which is fine and then she starts to dance her plump little ass on my Johnson. I turn to her to kiss and she gives me very little pecks. She says in the text she is passionate and would do GFE but I'm not getting any DFK. I get it, I even eat some gum but that doesn't seem to help. Anyway moving on I get those HUGE fake tits out of her white tank top that is bursting. These are big but somehow soft and not too hard. They are way too big for her frame but I kind of like that. I go to kiss and suck them and she insists just be gentle. Her nips are like little erasers I can flick back and forth*and I get the rest of her clothes off. Her ass is super firm and plump but not big at all, but it almost looks too perfect like it's fake. I ask her if she got a BBL and it is just her going to the gym. I like the firmness of it and slap it. She says "Ouch no suave" She doesn't*like her ass slapped which is ok. *.

She slides me onto the bed gets my boxers off and just slowly starts stroking me while looking at me with her cat eyes. With a deep stare of passion, she slowly spits on my cock and gets into it. She might not be a kisser but damn if she doesn't have great DSL. She puts it into her velvet-like mouth and gives a nice amount of suction. I can already tell if she keeps doing it like this ill definitely pop on her mouth. She gives me an incredible BJ for what feels like '10 minutes while I start to play with her freshly shaved smooth pussy. She very sensitive there but she keeps sucking like a champ. She grabs the rubber, puts it on, spits on her pussy and guides me in. She is tiny and I can't go to deep AR first. We do missionary, sideways, her on top and finally in quatro. That ass was awesome but it was hard to not slap it by accident. I try to rub her clit while fucking her but she isn't having it. Its cool. I tell her I want to cum on her big tits she gladly obliges. We get to the couch but not before she has to listen to a WhatsApp message from I'm guessing her mamasan or beastie that checks in to know she is safe. It's annoying but whatever. She takes my cock, sucks some more, gets on her knees, and positions herself perfectly to take a load right in her huge tits. She says to me "Dame tu leche, yo quiero todo leche" she is really into it spitting and stroking and sucking and I finally pop what feels like an 8 roper. I go everywhere and she tries to cover a bit of it so I don't shoot everywhere but too late I got some in her curly hair hahah. * We clean up, talk for another 20 minutes, she raids my American Christmas candy bag, and then asks for some taxi fare. I just give her 20 mil to shut her up and I escort her out. I explained I wanted more kissing and she promised next time it's just that she is shy the first time and needed to be more comfortable. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt but a fun bubble girl to bang while in town. *.[/QUOTE]I did her a few times in Santa Fe ,70 bucks 20 minutes.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2969717][URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/dulce3125574633[/URL]

Nicoll 250 HR*+ 70 Oral Naturale.

Looking around Bogota for some talent, I was tired of going to them so I decided to get outcall. Luckily my Airbnb has security for only part of the day, at night it's all just co-workers and keycodes so come and go as you please. *.

I come across Nicoll who has a cute button nose and face, she is outcall only and doesn't host so I figure she will be more punctual cause this is her bread and butter. She is about 30 minutes from me and tells me she will arrive around that time. She was almost on time to a Tee, I got to the door and she looked exactly*in real life like the photo. *.

She stands about 5 ft with huge the cups that are barely contained in her shirt. A bit darker cinnamon almost coasteno complexion*but tells me she is from Cali. After fumbling with my lock we enter my place and she gets herself comfortable. She asks for money upfront*which is fine and then she starts to dance her plump little ass on my Johnson. I turn to her to kiss and she gives me very little pecks. She says in the text she is passionate and would do GFE but I'm not getting any DFK. I get it, I even eat some gum but that doesn't seem to help. Anyway moving on I get those HUGE fake tits out of her white tank top that is bursting. These are big but somehow soft and not too hard. They are way too big for her frame but I kind of like that. I go to kiss and suck them and she insists just be gentle. Her nips are like little erasers I can flick back and forth*and I get the rest of her clothes off. Her ass is super firm and plump but not big at all, but it almost looks too perfect like it's fake. I ask her if she got a BBL and it is just her going to the gym. I like the firmness of it and slap it. She says "Ouch no suave" She doesn't*like her ass slapped which is ok. *.

She slides me onto the bed gets my boxers off and just slowly starts stroking me while looking at me with her cat eyes. With a deep stare of passion, she slowly spits on my cock and gets into it. She might not be a kisser but damn if she doesn't have great DSL. She puts it into her velvet-like mouth and gives a nice amount of suction. I can already tell if she keeps doing it like this ill definitely pop on her mouth. She gives me an incredible BJ for what feels like '10 minutes while I start to play with her freshly shaved smooth pussy. She very sensitive there but she keeps sucking like a champ. She grabs the rubber, puts it on, spits on her pussy and guides me in. She is tiny and I can't go to deep AR first. We do missionary, sideways, her on top and finally in quatro. That ass was awesome but it was hard to not slap it by accident. I try to rub her clit while fucking her but she isn't having it. Its cool. I tell her I want to cum on her big tits she gladly obliges. We get to the couch but not before she has to listen to a WhatsApp message from I'm guessing her mamasan or beastie that checks in to know she is safe. It's annoying but whatever. She takes my cock, sucks some more, gets on her knees, and positions herself perfectly to take a load right in her huge tits. She says to me "Dame tu leche, yo quiero todo leche" she is really into it spitting and stroking and sucking and I finally pop what feels like an 8 roper. I go everywhere and she tries to cover a bit of it so I don't shoot everywhere but too late I got some in her curly hair hahah. * We clean up, talk for another 20 minutes, she raids my American Christmas candy bag, and then asks for some taxi fare. I just give her 20 mil to shut her up and I escort her out. I explained I wanted more kissing and she promised next time it's just that she is shy the first time and needed to be more comfortable. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt but a fun bubble girl to bang while in town. *.[/QUOTE]Sorry 70 mil.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2970037]Yeah I think all the research and knowing the vibes has helped I haven't had a dud in a minute![/QUOTE]Thanks for all the info. And glad you are having a great time. Just a couple of questions, and I am sure this one is a stupid question. Your prices you are writing are in pesos?

Second, do you think Usaquand is a better area then say chaperino? Coming in March and stayed in zone t last year. Was great place but had to leave the area mostly. Only thing good around was massage parlors. Was considering hippy park or park 93 areas. I like to meet some locals on seeking that will spend all nighters. Anyone else have an opinion or experience would like to know more what everyone thinks.

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2970057]do you think Usaquand is a better area then say chaperino?[/QUOTE]Depends on what you want. Usaquen has the weekend market. It's a nice area. But I don't think it has the scene like Zona T. Chapinero is a very large area.

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2970057]Coming in March and stayed in zone t last year. Was great place but had to leave the area mostly. Only thing good around was massage parlors. Was considering hippy park or park 93 areas. I like to meet some locals on seeking that will spend all nighters.[/QUOTE]I stay in Zona T because it has Luckia Casino where I play poker. It's a crowded area with many bars and clubs, so it's relatively safe. Parque 93 is smaller, but it might have better restaurants.

Leave the area? Then take Uber, or take the Transmilenio to Santa Fe. It's safe and easy if you're smart. It's a short distance to the main casa area in Chapinero. I prefer Zona T over Santa Fe area because I like to have many options to walk and eat, and I like to walk around in relatively safety for dinner and drinks during the evening time.

Hippie Park? Between between Zona T and Santa Fe. More local. Not Strata 6, so more sketchy. There's a few bars there that's more local. Some people prefer those types of bars.

It doesn't matter where you stay in you use SA.

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2969599]Which one is 69? Where is it at. Going to Bogota in March second time and it will be great.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing he meant Club 49 (La 49). Pre-Covid, that place had pretty girls. Didn't like that place; it seemed more like a lapdance/hostess bar where you get the girl to sit with you. Just after the pandemic ended, I was there one time. Previously, it was a large place. But after the pandemic, it moved next door to a smaller venue. Haven't gone back since; not sure if it is still around.

BTW, there's no place in Bogota where there's lots of girls dancing (Please chime in if there is). It's usually between 1 to 3 girls on stage; and they usually take off their clothes at the end of their set; this describes the old Pussy House. But it does have interesting live sex shows in places like Venus (maybe on the weekend).

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2970057]Thanks for all the info. And glad you are having a great time. Just a couple of questions, and I am sure this one is a stupid question. Your prices you are writing are in pesos?

Second, do you think Usaquand is a better area then say chaperino? Coming in March and stayed in zone t last year. Was great place but had to leave the area mostly. Only thing good around was massage parlors. Was considering hippy park or park 93 areas. I like to meet some locals on seeking that will spend all nighters. Anyone else have an opinion or experience would like to know more what everyone thinks.[/QUOTE]Yes in pesos 250 mil pesos = $57 USD.

I just choose usaquen cause I don't want to travel that much to Chapinero. I lived there for a long time. But for you, try.

Chapinero alto, you'll get all the nice views, some nice apartments and you are close to the action. I think there is a higher concentration of girls in Chapinero.

And most of the clubs are there or in Santa Fe. I just choose the North for my own personal lifestyle.

Just watch yourself near Parque LOS hippes. I was robbed by two guys on a moto for my phone, came out of no where, pushed me pulled it out of my pocket and later took my.

SIM card out of it and ordered about $1000 worth of rappi (I didn't pay as I reported fraud) but it was a crazy experience. Not trying to scare you but always.

Watch your back.

Sugar daddies, this video is in Russian. Don't be lazy translate subtitles into English. You'll learn a lot about women.

[URL]https://youtu.be/IveW1EC9ZuQ?si=UJJQi0ZrK7KJMQgV[/URL]

No. I actually meant 69. Its around the corner from Pussy house. If you're at pussy house walk away from Caracas. Then on the corner turn left, so you're going north. Its the 2nd building I believe. Its technically called SixtyNine. You walk up the stairs, the club is on the 2nd floor.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2970131]Depends on what you want. Usaquen has the weekend market. It's a nice area. But I don't think it has the scene like Zona T. Chapinero is a very large area.

I stay in Zona T because it has Luckia Casino where I play poker. It's a crowded area with many bars and clubs, so it's relatively safe. Parque 93 is smaller, but it might have better restaurants.

Leave the area? Then take Uber, or take the Transmilenio to Santa Fe. It's safe and easy if you're smart. It's a short distance to the main casa area in Chapinero. I prefer Zona T over Santa Fe area because I like to have many options to walk and eat, and I like to walk around in relatively safety for dinner and drinks during the evening time.

Hippie Park? Between between Zona T and Santa Fe. More local. Not Strata 6, so more sketchy. There's a few bars there that's more local. Some people prefer those types of bars.

It doesn't matter where you stay in you use SA.



I'm guessing he meant Club 49 (La 49). Pre-Covid, that place had pretty girls. Didn't like that place; it seemed more like a lapdance/hostess bar where you get the girl to sit with you. Just after the pandemic ended, I was there one time. Previously, it was a large place. But after the pandemic, it moved next door to a smaller venue. Haven't gone back since; not sure if it is still around.

BTW, there's no place in Bogota where there's lots of girls dancing (Please chime in if there is). It's usually between 1 to 3 girls on stage; and they usually take off their clothes at the end of their set; this describes the old Pussy House. But it does have interesting live sex shows in places like Venus (maybe on the weekend).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2968033]Which Barrios don't have every building with security guards? They are often very uptight and very nosy. I'the like to do my business without so much prying eyes.[/QUOTE]The only buildings without a security checkpoint are located in the lower end areas and they are a necessary evil. My advice is to try to become friends with them, a coffee or an energy drink during the evening will help in getting them on your side.

Hi, for folks that might be familiar with Brazil, are there any recommended websites featuring independent girls, esp. Mid / high end ones in Bogota, similar to splove / clubmodel / mclass / private55 in Sao Paulo? At least in Brazil these sites tend to not be scams as compared to some of the other sites. The girls have clean and comfortable incalls, scheduling is easy and generally the service is good to great.

I'm aware of Mileroticos / Photoprepagos and am curious if there's something better. Thank you.

Hey guys I'm planning another boys trip to Medellíand in March, but want to try my hand at Santa Fe area.

My monger history. I've been to Medellíand (7 or 8), Cartagena (1) (too hot), Barranquilla (1) visiting a girl I was in a 6 Mon. Relationship with.

I love being a el centro rat LOL. Can woodman09 message me in a couple days once I figure out the bitcoin thing to start messaging.

I've never got the premium account until now since I'm going into very dangerous territory and know when I might be over my head.

I've read the last 20 pages of post here before writing this and I love the information and sorry Dcrist0527 about the robbery it happens bro keep your head on the swivel.

So now to the reason I'm writing this, I'm a 5'9 educated black man with a lot of street experience. No jewelry not even an Apple Watch. My first couple trip to Medellíand I paid a driver 100 usd each day as a personal driver and to pick up me or my girls and send me a message if he thinks she's trying to rob me as he's bringing them too me. Do you think I'll stand out like a sore thumb or can I blend into the scenery and enjoy myself.

When I'm in my second home (Medellin) I love having a girl waiting for me when I arrive from the airport so I can get that first one out the way, if yall have any girls in mind please send them my way. The nastier the better, I also like having 2 or 3 girls (lite Hormone) situation search (free use) in PH.

Hey guys I'm planning another boys trip to Medellíand in March, but want to try my hand at Santa Fe area.

My monger history. I've been to Medellíand (7 or 8), Cartagena (1) (too hot), Barranquilla (1) visiting a girl I was in a 6 Mon. Relationship with.

I love being a el centro rat LOL. Can woodman09 message me in a couple days once I figure out the bitcoin thing to start messaging.

I've never got the premium account until now since I'm going into very dangerous territory and know when I might be over my head.

I've read the last 20 pages of post here before writing this and I love the information and sorry Dcrist0527 about the robbery it happens bro keep your head on the swivel.

So now to the reason I'm writing this, I'm a 5'11 educated black man with a lot of street experience. No jewelry not even an Apple Watch. My first couple trip to Medellíand I paid a driver 100 usd each day as a personal driver and to pick up me or my girls and send me a message if he thinks she's trying to rob me as he's bringing them too me. Do you think I'll stand out like a sore thumb or can I blend into the scenery and enjoy myself.

When I'm in my second home (Medellin) I love having a girl waiting for me when I arrive from the airport so I can get that first one out the way, if yall have any girls in mind please send them my way. The nastier the better, I also like having 2 or 3 girls (lite Hormone) situation search (free use) in PH.

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2971598]Hey guys I'm planning another boys trip to Medelland in March, but want to try my hand at Santa Fe area.

My monger history. I've been to Medellin (7 or 8), Cartagena (1) (too hot), Barranquilla (1)[/QUOTE]First thing people are going to ask about is your reports from these 10 trips.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2971696]First thing people are going to ask about is your reports from these 10 trips.[/QUOTE]I don't really do many reports, I just do my research and take my trips. Trustfully the only reason I'm speaking now is because this might be the most dangerous place I've ever been too.

I do a lot of stuff back here in Texas if you search my handle in eccie.

If not posting is going to bit me in the rear so be it. Just thought ID ask!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2971696]First thing people are going to ask about is your reports from these 10 trips.[/QUOTE]Correction I did post my first trip to Medellíand and a couple trips later my experience at loutron, and my first DR experience. I guess I'm not lowkey in the shade as I thought hahaha.

This is a quick update on Tantra.

The obvious location is on the corner of the block under the Tantra sign, on the ground floor. When I visited, there were only 4 women. I checked with 2, one wanted 120 and one 140, one from Medellin and one from Ven. Neither would budge and neither was open to oral natural. I left and was offered / taken to the second floor location a couple of doors down. There were about 10 women present. I went with a big ass & big tits one. She was 100 for the hour, including massage. She wanted 50 more for a list of about 4 different options: kissing, oral natural, etc. I chose one upgrade. She took directions well and used the alcohol spray quite.

I know we talk about this often. But I need more advice. I am considering Airbnb or a hotel for my visit in March. Now can someone recommend a chick friendly one. And how do I see it as that is written. Or is there a good hotel that you recommend. Last time I stayed in hotel avani in zona t. I would love to stay in zona t again. I did not have to pay extra for my girl one night stay. I feel like that was cool but I am looking to bring some more girls my way. The girls I get to stay with me are usually from SA. So at least they don't look like street walkers. Anyway. Thoughts on what is better or any recommendations. Me and my friend are planning.

I've been reading these forums for a year or so now so it's probably time to offer a little back.

I'd started to become a regular visitor to Thailand when COVID shut everything down a week after my final Pattaya trip in March 2020.

Latin America seemed a reasonable option as the plague receded & I booked my first Colombia trip for March 2022.

Coming from the north of England entry & departure via Bogota was the logical idea.

A couple of days in Bogota on either end of visits elsewhere in Colombia is the plan.

I checked into my Calle 19 Airbnb very late after a somewhat chaotic arrival & crashed out.

I'd checked out Tinder & as I returned to the room after a morning trip up Montserrate I got a positive response.

The girl met me in the lobby no more than 2 hours later.

Reasonable looking, 22 yo, fine solid thick body.

Service was a little cold but she got the job done. It didn't take long given I'd been dormant for 2 years!!

200 k, no requests for contributions to transport.

I'm approaching 60 yo these days so one interaction per day is more than enough for me.

Following day I took a stroll over to Santa Fe, it's not so far from the Airbnb & not too intimidating during daylight.

Did a few laps around the action areas interspersed with a couple of beers in the bars.

Found an Amazonian looking chica to my liking & expressed my interest.

24 yo, another slim but thick one.

I should have mentioned earlier, I spoke absolutely zero Spanish at this point!

She told me her fee was 40.

I had to check via translator if this was USD or pesos!

I gave her 50 k upfront & was completely unconcerned she used the 10 k change to pay for the room!

Again, not great service, I managed to hold on to her hips just long enough to finish as she began to squirm away.

I'm definitely a daytime person these days so the clubs weren't of great interest at this point.

I went in to a couple mid-afternoon to check things out but only succeeded in learning to check prices of beers before ordering.

Got charged 25 k & 15 k for Aguilla!

I returned to Bogota for one night ahead of my flight home after spending 10 days or so in Medellin.

I'll post about that in the relevant forum later.

As soon as I checked into my Bogota hotel I took an Uber to Santa Fe.

It was mid-afternoon & I soon found my girl.

I checked her ID which seemed in order.

Again, 40 k, this time I got the 10 k change, she paid the room herself.

Another lesson learned here.

Don't waste time here, it's very limited in these venues.

I was fooling around & getting washed & the knock came before I'd finished.

I was actually terrified, it was such a loud crashing on the door I thought it was a raid!

I've never gotten dressed so fast!

My flight home was 3.45 pm on my final day so I was in an Uber by 9.30 am heading back in to Santa Fe!

It was a little slower at this time of day but still plenty of options.

I spotted a girl lingering in one of the garages.

She was wearing an extremely revealing yellow string dress.

20 yo, quite tall, slim but not skinny or thick, big plastic tits.

A little crazy though I think.

I had to negotiate through her friend as my girl kept wandering off.

She wanted 100 k, they're probably getting 50 each but I didn't care at that point.

She was actually the best of the street girls on this trip.

She was all action & made sure I got value.

Even as I finished she was thrusting against me trying to get my every last drop!

I even had time for lunch around Zona T before the trip to the airport!

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2972363]The girls I get to stay with me are usually from SA. So at least they don't look like street walkers.[/QUOTE]It sounds as though you may be chatting with chicas in advance? If so, you can get their cedulas in advance and use them for two things.

1- You can do a free background check online to see if they have any police record -- it's a legit government website. I think it might give you a street address as well so you would know where they live (or lived in the past).

2- Almost any Airbnb will let you bring guests who are registered in advance, usually by messaging the owner. Usually a day or so notice is fine. You can tell the owner that you will be meeting with friends of your sister or whatever.

Before booking any airbnb, ask a few questions about the place. And mention that you have a few friends who you would like to have over for dinner and if you need to register them. Do mention that you will NOT be having parties, that's a big issue for many buildings where airbnb guests disturb the residents. I have never been denied.

For most large nicer apartment buildings they use a 3rd party security service for the lobby. With that you will get new front desk people really frequently and they are fired without warning for violating policy. So the bring them coffee approach doesn't work well for them. But for smaller buildings you're likely to see reception workers who have been there for many years. The bring them coffee (or food if ordering rappi) really works for them.

And speaking of Rappi. If you have a TLN, ordering breakfast or brunch by Rappi can be awesome. I have had TLNs which ended up lasting a few days LOL.

*I really recco the background check with SA. It's given me red flags twice on chicas who had records for small theft. Most any chica will give you there cedula number and / or photo of the cedula as that's so common. That will give you their real name and DOB. Do NOT do any judgement of the photo. They are notoriously horrible LOL. Like they take a dozen photos in order to select the worst one.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2972473]It sounds as though you may be chatting with chicas in advance? If so, you can get their cedulas in advance and use them for two things.

1- You can do a free background check online to see if they have any police record -- it's a legit government website. I think it might give you a street address as well so you would know where they live (or lived in the past).

2- Almost any Airbnb will let you bring guests who are registered in advance, usually by messaging the owner. Usually a day or so notice is fine. You can tell the owner that you will be meeting with friends of your sister or whatever.

Before booking any airbnb, ask a few questions about the place. And mention that you have a few friends who you would like to have over for dinner and if you need to register them. Do mention that you will NOT be having parties, that's a big issue for many buildings where airbnb guests disturb the residents. I have never been denied.

For most large nicer apartment buildings they use a 3rd party security service for the lobby. With that you will get new front desk people really frequently and they are fired without warning for violating policy. So the bring them coffee approach doesn't work well for them. But for smaller buildings you're likely to see reception workers who have been there for many years. The bring them coffee (or food if ordering rappi) really works for them.

And speaking of Rappi. If you have a TLN, ordering breakfast or brunch by Rappi can be awesome. I have had TLNs which ended up lasting a few days LOL.

*I really recco the background check with SA. It's given me red flags twice on chicas who had records for small theft. Most any chica will give you there cedula number and / or photo of the cedula as that's so common. That will give you their real name and DOB. Do NOT do any judgement of the photo. They are notoriously horrible LOL. Like they take a dozen photos in order to select the worst one.[/QUOTE]Nice info. Much appreciated. I try to do a mix of local talent and some semi pro level. It is a good way to clear the urge. Real quick, what is tln? I am mostly leaning on a hotel as I don't think it will be so bad to get someone with me and my friend coming with me can get his own room. That way we got each others back and can watch out for the creeps. And we can stay in a more established area.

Hi gents.

Just landed in the States Jan 1, was there in Bogota since Saturday, Dec. 28. Stayed in Tequendama Suites. Met up with Mr. Woodman and started the night right in them Santa Fe clubs. He showed me around everywhere and is a chill dude. Went with a street girl for about 60 k, got a dance in a club like 50 k and she was dancing on me like 5 songs. Then went w her to the room for like 150 k. Got another dance in another club 50 k also.

Then next morning, went inside a Santa Fe club and this chica asked for 200 k for 30 minutes. Did her. Then after, I met one of them colombianos walking around working Santa Fe (goes by Cali, have his number, no English) and he helped me find girls and showed me his friend's private club (sirva lo pues). After drinks w the chicas, went with Leonela and her friend. Did a threesome in nearby hotel and both girls asked for 300 k for the hour. Got their info. Then later that night, went back to Santa Fe and met Sarahy and did a quickie for 60 k. Got her number. After, one of them girls I'the done the threesome with earlier, Leonela, picked me up from Santa fe w her cab friend and we bought Tusi and then took her to Tequendamas suites (venezolana, she just photo ID and they charged around 20 dollars at reception) . Paid her 500 k but she stayed all night. Both of us doing tusi all night to keep it going.

Then next day, she leaves in the AM after we slept. Then I go to Santa Fe and my guy Cali helped me meet Alejandra, take her to the private club and we drink and vibe. Then go to nearby room for 300 k, good eager sex but she proposed 50 k for BBBJ. But then she got wild with initiating DFK and she came twice, shaking her body sprawled on top of me while she's cumming.

Had Leonela come back to Tequendama that night and we did the same deal as before.

Then the next day, go back to santa Fe and my guy Cali finds a girl, go to that private club and chill. Later, same 300 k for the hour. But I couldn't perform from the perrico and tusi I took too much. And she was fked up and vomiting after 30 minutes from drinking with me too much beforehand with tusi and weed. Cali came in to help but I felt bad and still gave her the 300 k.

Another time, had Alejandra come to Tequendama (she's from Bogota, 28 why / o, $20 hotel fee) 600 k for two hours, again she keeps cumming on top of me. I ate her ass and then she ordered me to eat her pussy. Showers together with BBBJ.

Another time, needed more of Sarahy so she came over Tequendama for 3 hours, 600 k. She screaming 'comala esa cuca entero papi' and ' Partirme por la mitad' and she wanted the polvo on her tetas, so I busted all over her little brown body.

Things were stupid on new years, I went to zona rosa to club Vintrash and drank half a bottle of guaro and smoked a bigass blunt before going in. Met a normal girl and she was telling me 'let's go to your hotel' after some time dancing and chatting. But that was 10:30 pm and I wanted to wait till midnight to leave the club. Then I fucked up, I got so drunk knocking back beers, that I don't even remember anything. Time lapse like 3 hours, but somehow come to my senses at like 3 am and I'm still in that club and talking to security trying to get a cab home. Of course, the fuckin 2. 000.000 pesos I had cash in my wallet all disappeared in those 3 hours. But weirdly all my cards and other shit were there still. Did she rob me, the staff, had to bribe because I started trouble? Who knows.

I had wanted one of my girls to come over instead of clubbing but they were all busy with family. It wasn't ideal timing for this trip but the only one I can with a new job. Luckily, I wake up at 10 am on Jan. 1, and my flight was at 3 pm. So I was able to get Sarahy to come over for 1. 5 hours for 300 k, helped me pack, and then she went with me to the airport.

Fun times, I got to stop doing dumbass shit though. I'm ADHD, so just impulsive and reckless as hell sometimes. Wanted to see Tantra spa but just didn't get a chance. Tequendama suites doesn't have a ATM, but there's one literally 1 minute walk away at Bancololmbia and I use my Schwab card. Always 2 guards at the door with armor and assault rifles. Think I like Bogota more than medellin and will return. Haha oh yea, did some tinder hunting before arriving, and some dumb ***** was asking for $300 an hour and she would 'consider it'. She was maybeee a 7.5 at best.

Saludos compadres.

Have her deets.

She says she works in Lleras and charges gringos $200-300 for the hour there. But in Bogota she charged me 300 k pesos for an hour.

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2972533]I try to do a mix of local talent and some semi pro level. ... Real quick, what is tln? I am mostly leaning on a hotel as I don't think it will be so bad to get someone with me and my friend coming with me can get his own room. [/QUOTE]TLN is todo la noche. Highly recommended in Colombia. A much better experience than TLN elsewhere. Nearly all of my best experiences were with TLN. Of course YMMV. Depends on chemistry as well as obligations (family, work) if talent can do TLN. For many, they won't do TLN on first meeting.

General guidance for AirBnb vs Hotel: I think some level of familiarity with the city and some Spanish helps A LOT for AirBnb. I didn't start using AirBnb until about my 10th trip to BOG. Now, I rarely use hotel -- unless free night on points or some other specific reason.

She said she works here and Guayaquil too.

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2972633]Hi gents.


Fun times, I got to stop doing dumbass shit though. I'm ADHD, so just impulsive and reckless as hell sometimes. Wanted to see Tantra spa but just didn't get a chance. Tequendama suites doesn't have a ATM, but there's one literally 1 minute walk away at Bancololmbia and I use my Schwab card. Always 2 guards at the door with armor and assault rifles. Think I like Bogota more than medellin and will return. Haha oh yea, did some tinder hunting before arriving, and some dumb ***** was asking for $300 an hour and she would 'consider it'. She was maybeee a 7.5 at best.

Saludos compadres.[/QUOTE]Nice job keeping it going. Sounds great.

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2972634]Have her deets.[/QUOTE]Very average chica.

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2972634]Have her deets.[/QUOTE]She is definitely a "5" on the scale.

Maybe a "6" at best.

Hi all, I've never made it in to either one of these places. They're right across the alley from Troya, Fiebre, etc. Are they any good? Ferchas seems like more of an actual nightclub but seeing that it's right there next to the other places I'm guessing it has girls? Likewise with the one next to that. Loto? I don't remember that being there when I was there back in October but maybe it was and I didn't notice it?? Any intel? I'll be down there in a few weeks so just wanted to check it out if it's worthwhile.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2974142]Hi all, I've never made it in to either one of these places. They're right across the alley from Troya, Fiebre, etc. Are they any good? Ferchas seems like more of an actual nightclub but seeing that it's right there next to the other places I'm guessing it has girls? Likewise with the one next to that. Loto? I don't remember that being there when I was there back in October but maybe it was and I didn't notice it?? Any intel? I'll be down there in a few weeks so just wanted to check it out if it's worthwhile.[/QUOTE]Fercho is is open sometimes as a replacement for Troya that is the only time I have seen it open except before when it was named something else --nice club all new--Loto is open sometimes and serves as an afterhours club sometimes-.

The truth is there are many clubs shuttered in Santa Fe Not enough business-- 2 new clubs next to Fiebre named Isis and something else also Casona next to Paisas. La Cason has a fantastic 3rd floor open air lounge too.

On KR 16 there is a place called Dubai and Pink which are closed too. On calle 23 there is Dollhouse, Castillo and California and on KR 15 La Piscina all are closed.

I'm sure that there are hot girls in the Loto when it is opened-- So there are actually more clubs closed than open-.

The Metro seems to be coming along-- hopefully they will not close Santa Fe down.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2974142]Hi all, I've never made it in to either one of these places. They're right across the alley from Troya, Fiebre, etc. Are they any good? .[/QUOTE]Just enter, look around, order a beer if you feel to stay longer than few minutes. A beer costs some 2 dollars. A good investment, even if you leave it full on a table and go out to hop to the next bar.

Just booked my 2025 vacation.

Bogota March 2-4 (woodman09 tour).

Cali 2-6.

Medellin 6-10.

As stated before this is my first time to Bogota, of I'm enjoying myself I might extend my Bogota trip and skip Cai. If anyone in town I would love to grab a beer and talk about the good old days.

Been going a lot -- It was slower over the New Year but still good-- less traffic but a great selection of chicas-.

Walked through early afternoon yesterday and saw some great 18-20 something streety sweeties-.

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2974596]Just booked my 2025 vacation.

Bogota March 2-4 (woodman09 tour).

Cali 2-6.

Medellin 6-10.

As stated before this is my first time to Bogota, of I'm enjoying myself I might extend my Bogota trip and skip Cai. If anyone in town I would love to grab a beer and talk about the good old days.[/QUOTE]Hey Shawn, you'll love Bogota if you have enough time to find the many girls available in the City. However after too many years at this hobby I care to admit. But 2 things will always be true in this hobby, one) Pussy makes you stupid and 2) better to limit too many stops. 3 cities 2 nights per you will be wasting lots of time at airports and checking in and out of hotels one rule I always counted on is you waste one day checking in and one day checking out. X's 3 You should rethink stuffing too many cities into one short trip. Be safe.

I'll be heading to Santa Marta next Friday. I have an 8 hour layover in Bogota overnight. Thinking of heading down to Santa Fe and either going to the main clubs down there (Fiebre?) or finding a street girl and getting a short time motel. The advantage there is maybe I could sleep a couple hours at the motel. Can anybody who knows the area well give advice on how they would play it? Anybody know if the Avianca Lounge in the Airport is good for a couple hours rest if I just go to the club and back? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2975835]Anybody know if the Avianca Lounge in the Airport is good for a couple hours rest if I just go to the club and back?[/QUOTE]I do not know what couple of hours you have, but the lounges are not open 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2975835]I'll be heading to Santa Marta next Friday. I have an 8 hour layover in Bogota overnight. Thinking of heading down to Santa Fe and either going to the main clubs down there (Fiebre?) or finding a street girl and getting a short time motel. The advantage there is maybe I could sleep a couple hours at the motel. Can anybody who knows the area well give advice on how they would play it? Anybody know if the Avianca Lounge in the Airport is good for a couple hours rest if I just go to the club and back? Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://en.dragonpass.com.cn/lounge/410726[/URL] It's a good lounge. Pay attention to the hours and time limits per stay. Generally the advice is to lower your risks on the day of your flight.

I've only done the avianca lounge in the international terminal and if I remember correctly it closes sometime around midnight and reopens at 4 or 5 am. Guessing you'll be using the domestic lounge though but you should check hours. Personally as hard as I try I can never sleep in airports. Chairs are uncomfortable and just generally too much stuff going on.

Friday night will be busy and is a good night for girls at any one of the clubs in SF. Troya and Fiebre probably being the main ones but the clubs are all next door to each other so easy to just grab a beer at each one and enjoy looking until you pick a girl. Personally I would just book a room at the ibis Bogota museo. Kind of dependent upon what time you arrive and leave but if you don't have any bags with you or they're being checked through to your final destination you could just catch a cab into SF to Troya or Fiebre from the airport (though you may get an odd look from the taxi desk people LOL) , bang a girl upstairs then catch a taxi outside the club to the Ibis museo, have a few hours sleep and pre book a taxi with the hotel to take you back to the airport. It's roughly a 30 minute drive to and from the airport and if you're leaving very early it may even be quicker. Santa Fe clubs and the Ibis are so close to each other that the cab ride is only 5 minutes roughly so alternatively you could go from airport to ibis if you have any bags to take them to your room then order a didi to Troya / Fiebre, bang a girl and be back with enough time to get a few hours sleep.

I'm guessing you could also do the short time hotels if they allow you to stay for that length of time but to be honest the area will be loud with noise and the convenience of getting a taxi from a short time hotel back to the airport in the very early morning after a sleep may be more of a hassle than it's worth. Some people not used to it describe Santa Fe as being sketchy. It can be but I'm guessing once the clubs close and the majority of people go home it's probably not the most appealing areas for a rideshare cab driver to want to pick up from if you're leaving at 5 or 6 am or something.

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2975835]I'll be heading to Santa Marta next Friday. I have an 8 hour layover in Bogota overnight. Thinking of heading down to Santa Fe and either going to the main clubs down there (Fiebre?) or finding a street girl and getting a short time motel. The advantage there is maybe I could sleep a couple hours at the motel. Can anybody who knows the area well give advice on how they would play it? Anybody know if the Avianca Lounge in the Airport is good for a couple hours rest if I just go to the club and back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2975835]I'll be heading to Santa Marta next Friday. I have an 8 hour layover in Bogota overnight. Thinking of heading down to Santa Fe and either going to the main clubs down there (Fiebre?) or finding a street girl and getting a short time motel. The advantage there is maybe I could sleep a couple hours at the motel. Can anybody who knows the area well give advice on how they would play it? Anybody know if the Avianca Lounge in the Airport is good for a couple hours rest if I just go to the club and back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]BOG Avianca lounge closes around 10 or 11 pm. So napping there overnight not possible. But if you can stash your luggage, or got none. You make a late night side trip to Santa Fe and chase tail the whole night. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2975835]I'll be heading to Santa Marta next Friday. I have an 8 hour layover in Bogota overnight. Thinking of heading down to Santa Fe and either going to the main clubs down there (Fiebre?) or finding a street girl and getting a short time motel. The advantage there is maybe I could sleep a couple hours at the motel. Can anybody who knows the area well give advice on how they would play it? Anybody know if the Avianca Lounge in the Airport is good for a couple hours rest if I just go to the club and back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Since you're getting here on Friday night early enough you should be able to get to SF pretty quick bang a few girls and make your flight out-.

Why is everyone talking about the clubs in Santa Fe and picking up girls there? Does Glambu, Seeking, and ColumbiaCupid not work in Bogota? Are there no sites like Biares to call girls to your hotel or massage parlours? Curious about it.

[QUOTE=AngmoLover;2976102]Why is everyone talking about the clubs in Santa Fe and picking up girls there? Does Glambu, Seeking, and ColumbiaCupid not work in Bogota? Are there no sites like Biares to call girls to your hotel or massage parlours? Curious about it.[/QUOTE]Cause of the prices, they are rock bottom ridiculously cheap.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2976162]Cause of the prices, they are rock bottom ridiculously cheap.[/QUOTE]A chick from one of those sites is going to charge more for a taxi than it costs to fuck a chick in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2975877] Personally I would just book a room at the ibis Bogota museo. Kind of dependent upon what time you arrive and leave .[/QUOTE]I would second this. I usually book a day or two at BOG before going to SMR, as the latter is a well that has been going dry, and the bottled water is getting more expensive every time.

Last trip I booked a BNB in Teusaquilo; they kept my bag for free when I went to the beach. It's only one TM stop from Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2976162]Cause of the prices, they are rock bottom ridiculously cheap.[/QUOTE]I see. But isn't it safer to get the girl to your hotel or Airbnb?

[QUOTE=AngmoLover;2976259]I see. But isn't it safer to get the girl to your hotel or Airbnb?[/QUOTE]That is actually less safe.

Thanks everyone for the good feedback. I'll be sure to write a report for both Bogota and Santa Marta when I'm back in a few weeks.

Over the years, the safest way to have a girl to your room was she would always check in with the hotel as a guest.

She would show her I. D!

[QUOTE=AngmoLover;2976259]I see. But isn't it safer to get the girl to your hotel or Airbnb?[/QUOTE]

Long time follower of the forum first time posting.

So I decided to take a three day trip to Bogota for a little fun and relaxation. I stayed at hotel Virrey Central which was nice. It is not a fancy hotel but for anyone looking for hostel prices but in a hotel I would recommend it. You can have guests but you have to pay 60000 pesos per guest. There is also a restaurant in the hotel which is convenient. The area is also pretty safe. I had no issues.

Now to the action, first night I decided to take the woodman tour. It was great we walked around all over the bar and club areas. Got to see the many chicas in the casas. A lot of Venezuelans but definitely some variety. Prices on average was 60-70 thousand pesos for 15 min. I ended up at this one casa with 2 Venezuelan chicas one was named Brenda and the other one was not memorable. But overall it was a good experience. Fast forward we go to paisas which was good. Got a lap dance and decided to go check out another strip club I forgot the name of this place but I ended talking to this other chica and making plans to meet her later that night at my hotel. After leaving the strip club we ended up at another strip club where this taller chica caught my eye after talking settled on a price 70 thousand for 15 min. After that we left. After the tour was over I went back to my hotel and called that chica from earlier and she came over for 2 hours 250000. Overall the woodmen tour is great he knows the area and the people there know him well. If you are going to Bogota you should definitely check him out.

2nd and 3rd day was not filled with too much action due to me filling my itinerary with a lot to do for 3 days but I plan on going back soon to stay for a week. This time I plan on going to tantra spa amongst other places. I will update when I go back.

I want to visit Colombia for 10 days, splitting between Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena. I am a traveller and have traveled across 6 continents. I have contributed a lot of trip reports of diverse destinations and have been doing this for last 10 years.

I am doing RTFF for last 2 weeks but couldn't find a recent information about guest friendly hotels, can anyone recommend a good 4 star hotel at good location in Bogota.

I will be thankful to you. If woodman is reading this post I want details about tours offered by you. You can DM me the information.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Cheema;2977889]I want to visit Colombia for 10 days, splitting between Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena. I am a traveller and have traveled across 6 continents. I have contributed a lot of trip reports of diverse destinations and have been doing this for last 10 years.

I am doing RTFF for last 2 weeks but couldn't find a recent information about guest friendly hotels, can anyone recommend a good 4 star hotel at good location in Bogota.

I will be thankful to you. If woodman is reading this post I want details about tours offered by you. You can DM me the information.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I sent you a DM-- But to benefit others:

This one is according to many guys here on ISG -- Should still be. It's very close to Santa Fe.

[URL]https://all.accor.com/hotel/7318/index.en.shtml[/URL]

This the same company--but I don't know anyone who has stayed there in Chapinero barrio.

[URL]https://all.accor.com/hotel/B429/index.en.shtml[/URL]

Also close to SF--GF --No charge [URL]https://sfbogota.com/[/URL].

No charge for daytime guests.

[URL]https://www.hotelestequendama.com.co/en/tequendama-suites-bogota[/URL]

There are a lot of GF Airbnb -- But they must be verified with owners.

Where did all the spas go? The places where you go and have multiple girls to choose from. Last time I visited Bogota was 2021 and if I remember correctly, I found many of them on Skokka and / or Mileroticos. Now they seem to be few and far between. Should I look at the Massages section instead of Escorts? Although I doubt that's the case.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2978958]Where did all the spas go? The places where you go and have multiple girls to choose from. Last time I visited Bogota was 2021 and if I remember correctly, I found many of them on Skokka and / or Mileroticos. Now they seem to be few and far between. Should I look at the Massages section instead of Escorts? Although I doubt that's the case.[/QUOTE]Via Spa -- Tantra --Absolut -- la Mezzanine -- the ones that come to mind.

Hi guys, I'm no stranger to the casas in Chapinero and have several years experience of visiting them. I've done it solo and have banged many a hot Rola and Vennie.

I'll be in Bogota for a while and if anyone wants to visit casas with me, just PM me. My normal routine is to visit a couple of casas a day in the morning and sample a girl in each.

I normally monger 5 days a week. After some time, I have a list of girls who give good service and they become my regulars, or if they are really good.

Then I meet them in a motel for a couple of hours for a more relaxed and cleaner environment. Every so often, a new girl turns out to be a dud, or a downright scam artist.

The reason for going with another guy is that we can choose a girl each and share feedback with the other person, so we get to test out more girls.

These casas are normally between 40-60 COP for 30 minutes. Some have 4 girls, some up to 15. Some are pretty grotty, others less so. I've met some great girls, both physically and in personality.

Eg, one is a negra Vennie who sucks me DT non-stop for 30 minutes with come-in-throat for 80 COP. It takes time to build a database of good girls. And sadly they move on.

Or I leave the country and when I return, I have to build a new database. So going with another guy will speed up this process.

I have no interest in visiting santa Fe, nor the "high end" clubs in the north of Bog.

I've actually written some reviews on casas about 3 year ago. Like this.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2674783&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2674783.

They are still out there as far as I can tell but yes there's not much mentioned of them now in this forum apart from Tantras, probably for good reason as the price there is reasonable (50 or 80 k for basic can't remember exact and 150 k for most everything which is what I did) there were always between 8-12 girls there each time I visited and ran the range from slim and petite to thicker if you like that. There is another website that has some better reviews of the independent girls and some of the spas. Foroprepagos Colombia. Remove the space and add. Com at the end. I got lost in all the reviews and whatsapped a place called Black Diamond Scorts who sent me 2 girls that looked quite cute with 1 particularly looking nice with prices of 150 k for 30 minutes and oral natural for an additional 70 k. A bit more than SF but if the girl is true to the photos it may be worthwhile but again I'm always wary of these places so I may visit when there just to take one for the team if it doesn't work out. Considering though I can do the same at Tantras or just pick a girl down in SF for less it does make it hard to justify but since I'm not there for a few more weeks I didn't want to message them too much until I'm actually there.

Another spa that looked okay but I don't read too much about it is Lux Spa. The model Sara is the body type right up my alley but again I didn't want to reach out to find out prices until I'm there. I have a feeling it's probably going to be at a premium.

Good luck and let us know if you're there and what luck you have.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2978958]Where did all the spas go? The places where you go and have multiple girls to choose from. Last time I visited Bogota was 2021 and if I remember correctly, I found many of them on Skokka and / or Mileroticos. Now they seem to be few and far between. Should I look at the Massages section instead of Escorts? Although I doubt that's the case.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fudimaar;2979405]Hi guys, I'm no stranger to the casas in Chapinero and have several years experience of visiting them. I've done it solo and have banged many a hot Rola and Vennie.

I'll be in Bogota for a while and if anyone wants to visit casas with me, just PM me. My normal routine is to visit a couple of casas a day in the morning and sample a girl in each.

I normally monger 5 days a week. After some time, I have a list of girls who give good service and they become my regulars, or if they are really good.

Then I meet them in a motel for a couple of hours for a more relaxed and cleaner environment. Every so often, a new girl turns out to be a dud, or a downright scam artist.

The reason for going with another guy is that we can choose a girl each and share feedback with the other person, so we get to test out more girls.

These casas are normally between 40-60 COP for 30 minutes. Some have 4 girls, some up to 15. Some are pretty grotty, others less so. I've met some great girls, both physically and in personality.

Eg, one is a negra Vennie who sucks me DT non-stop for 30 minutes with come-in-throat for 80 COP. It takes time to build a database of good girls. And sadly they move on.

Or I leave the country and when I return, I have to build a new database. So going with another guy will speed up this process.

I have no interest in visiting santa Fe, nor the "high end" clubs in the north of Bog.

I've actually written some reviews on casas about 3 year ago. Like this.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2674783&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2674783.[/QUOTE]Hello! I'm fairly new to the forum (created a profile long ago that I forgot about! But I'm visiting Bogota next weekend and might be interested in teaming up with you. I've been hobbying for the last 20 years or so, but mostly on the DL. My new favorite destination over the past year or so has been Colombia. I've mainly been working the SA channel but would be interested in hitting some of the casas and clubs as well. Let me know if that works for you.

Thanks. How is Via Spa? It has a very convenient location. Any recommendation?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2979427]They are still out there as far as I can tell but yes there's not much mentioned of them now in this forum apart from Tantras, probably for good reason as the price there is reasonable (50 or 80 k for basic can't remember exact and 150 k for most everything which is what I did) there were always between 8-12 girls there each time I visited and ran the range from slim and petite to thicker if you like that. There is another website that has some better reviews of the independent girls and some of the spas. Foroprepagos Colombia. Remove the space and add. Com at the end. I got lost in all the reviews and whatsapped a place called Black Diamond Scorts who sent me 2 girls that looked quite cute with 1 particularly looking nice with prices of 150 k for 30 minutes and oral natural for an additional 70 k. A bit more than SF but if the girl is true to the photos it may be worthwhile but again I'm always wary of these places so I may visit when there just to take one for the team if it doesn't work out. Considering though I can do the same at Tantras or just pick a girl down in SF for less it does make it hard to justify but since I'm not there for a few more weeks I didn't want to message them too much until I'm actually there..[/QUOTE]Lux: 270 k.

Sensity: 270 k.

Colorin: 270 k.

Via: 300 k.

Absolut: 300 k.

Nanxiang: 300 k.

There are sill all open. Quality varies. Much better that the casas though but far more expensive. Girl are also of better quality I find.

[QUOTE=Pete6;2979996]Thanks. How is Via Spa? It has a very convenient location. Any recommendation?[/QUOTE]I liked it better than Colorin. The room I had was a bare bones massage table, but they had a good selection of girls. I think I probably got gringo price as the base was 300 k and 100 k more for oral natural and 50 k for DFK. Colorin had a nicer 'bed' but on the Thursday at 7 pm I went they only had two girls and the one I picked wasn't real into it- also 300 k base and 100 k for oral natural.

I've always wondered about this ad when I'm in Bogota but never pulled the trigger. Sounds to good to be true in a way. I think that Mr. E had mentioned something similar to this awhile back. This ad is always posted. Anyone have any experience at this place?

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/50000-hora-de-sexo-ven-y-compruebalo-restrepo/25199203/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2980009]Lux: 270 k.

Sensity: 270 k.

Colorin: 270 k.

Via: 300 k.

Absolut: 300 k.

Nanxiang: 300 k.

There are sill all open. Quality varies. Much better that the casas though but far more expensive. Girl are also of better quality I find.[/QUOTE]Deluxe Spa.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/espectacular-spa-en-cedritos-zonas-humedas-sal-de-la-rutina-llama-reserva/24141562/[/URL]

Has anyone been to Lido recently? Curious what rates for drinks, short time and long time are sitting at. Is there a bar fine there if you take a girl back to your place?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2980145]I've always wondered about this ad when I'm in Bogota but never pulled the trigger. Sounds to good to be true in a way. I think that Mr. E had mentioned something similar to this awhile back. This ad is always posted. Anyone have any experience at this place?

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/50000-hora-de-sexo-ven-y-compruebalo-restrepo/25199203/[/URL][/QUOTE]That is when Master Monger took me to that all you can fuck place. There were 4 or 5 girls and you could fuck all you wanted within a 3 or 4 hour time frame for 50,000 pesos 20 minutes at a time. So when 20 minutes were up, I would be like send in the next one.

My first time in Bogota was just for a long layover. My flight got in at 8:30 last Friday, and I had a flight out to Santa Marta the next morning at 5 am. I took a cab to el centro and got a room at Costa Dorada. Thanks Woodman for the recommendation! 60 k for the room and the staff there was really nice and helpful. A short walk to all the clubs. I decided to just get with girls in the clubs rather than finding a street girl to take back to the hotel. First I went to Troya. It was like the el centro Medellin clubs I've been to before, but much more brightly lit. Helps in seeing the girls. First girl wanted 200 k, and I passed. Second girl was probably better looking, and she only wanted 130. We had a good time, but they come with that knock at the door really early! Maybe it was 15 min. Then I went to Atoni's club nearby. I will say that the bar be que place right there at Troya looked really good, but I had already eaten. Anyways, Atoni's was pretty good. First girl wanted 150 and took a pass. Second girl only 110 and she took good care of me. No one came to knock on the door, which was nice. I'm not sure if I have plans for a full vacation to Bogota, but I will likely find myself in the same situation of a long layover in the future. Great variety in the Bogota clubs! I had a similar layover on my way back home, but it was a Sunday night instead of Friday, and I had been fucking all day in Santa Marta anyway. So, I took a pass in going back to el centro and just got a hotel by the convention center. Thanks to everyone for their input on this board. It helped me line up a good time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2980354]That is when Master Monger took me to that all you can fuck place. There were 4 or 5 girls and you could fuck all you wanted within a 3 or 4 hour time frame for 50,000 pesos 20 minutes at a time. So when 20 minutes were up, I would be like send in the next one.[/QUOTE]I might have to check this place out. When I first seen the ads I was like, "I remember Mr. E mentioning something similar to this" and I also think that you mentioned an address in Bogota on Carrera 17.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2980527]I might have to check this place out. When I first seen the ads I was like, "I remember Mr. E mentioning something similar to this" and I also think that you mentioned an address in Bogota on Carrera 17.[/QUOTE]I also have this place on my to-do-list. That send in the next statement was brilliant. I also have some bucket list ideas to knock off as well, so if why'all have Golden shower knocked off your life bingo card send point me in the right direction.

My upcoming tour dates if your in town DM me and let's grab a beer.

Bogota - 3/2.

Cali -3/4.

Medellin - 3/6.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2980527]I might have to check this place out. When I first seen the ads I was like, "I remember Mr. E mentioning something similar to this" and I also think that you mentioned an address in Bogota on Carrera 17.[/QUOTE]This is from my notes:

Cra 17 #53-36 50 K 2 hours all you can fuck, anal40, kiss30, trio50, oral sin 20.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2980591]This is from my notes:

Cra 17 #53-36 50 K 2 hours all you can fuck, anal40, kiss30, trio50, oral sin 20.[/QUOTE]Awesome 👍127996;.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2980591]This is from my notes:
Cra 17 #53-36 50 K 2 hours all you can fuck, anal40, kiss30, trio50, oral sin 20.[/QUOTE]How the hell could you find such a place??

I must admit I have never ventured so much South in Bogota, not seeing a reason.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2980591]This is from my notes:

Cra 17 #53-36 50 K 2 hours all you can fuck, anal40, kiss30, trio50, oral sin 20.[/QUOTE]Are you saying 2 hours for 50 + 40 + 30 + 50 + 20 = 190?

Do I need to increase my price at Santa Fe from my normal 200?

People everywhere in the world are saying prices are going up.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2980926]Are you saying 2 hours for 50 + 40 + 30 + 50 + 20 = 190?

Do I need to increase my price at Santa Fe from my normal 200?

People everywhere in the world are saying prices are going up.[/QUOTE]No. 50 K you can fuck all the girls there 20 minutes at a time. You pay the 50 K when you walk in. The rest of the amounts are upcharges if you want additional services from each one.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2980924]How the hell could you find such a place??[/QUOTE][URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/50000-hora-de-sexo-ven-y-compruebalo-restrepo/25199203/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2980546]I also have this place on my to-do-list. That send in the next statement was brilliant. I also have some bucket list ideas to knock off as well, so if why'all have Golden shower knocked off your life bingo card send point me in the right direction.

My upcoming tour dates if your in town DM me and let's grab a beer.

Bogota - 3/2.

Cali -3/4.

Medellin - 3/6.[/QUOTE]I'll be in Cali at the same time as you. Let's get a beer.

Not in Bogota but near by. American killed in a home invasion about a week ago. Doesn't sound mongering related. Sounds like some quick police work at least.

[URL]https://boyaca7dias.com.co/2025/02/07/dos-venezolanos-capturados-por-el-asesinato-de-un-estadounidense-en-su-casa-en-villa-de-leyva/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2983629]Not in Bogota but near by. American killed in a home invasion about a week ago. Doesn't sound mongering related. Sounds like some quick police work at least.

[URL]https://boyaca7dias.com.co/2025/02/07/dos-venezolanos-capturados-por-el-asesinato-de-un-estadounidense-en-su-casa-en-villa-de-leyva/[/URL][/QUOTE]Pretty brutal. They didn't just shoot him.

[QUOTE=Combo;2983648]Pretty brutal. They didn't just shoot him.[/QUOTE]I've posted before about the very dangerous Venezuelans in Colombia. For years a drug addicts or robbers would stick a gun or knife in your side and ask for your phone, want the password and run away. BUT Claudia Lopez the Mayor of Bogota did a public announcement to be very wary of the Venezuelan gangs because they shoot you first. Then take your shit. Be careful.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2984316]I've posted before about the very dangerous Venezuelans in Colombia. For years a drug addicts or robbers would stick a gun or knife in your side and ask for your phone, want the password and run away. BUT Claudia Lopez the Mayor of Bogota did a public announcement to be very wary of the Venezuelan gangs because they shoot you first. Then take your shit. Be careful.[/QUOTE]Or torture you before they kill you.

I don't mean to turn a blind eye to this murder nor make light of it but in a country the size of Colombia with a mixed population picking a story out of a town almost 3 hours away from Bogota and relating it to the safety of Bogota is a bit far fetched. But that's just my 2 cents and honestly not really looking to start an argument. As with all large cities, even more so in a country that the socio economic divide is extreme, safety should never be overlooked. Latin America has a certain feel which if you're not used to can put some people in a heightened state of alert. I also don't want to cast Bogota as the safest place in the world, it's not. As in all my reports I have mentioned that certain areas (SF being one) feels sketchy and by no means would I say it's safe but having said that I have seen some gringos walk through SF oblivious to their surroundings probably because they're so freaked out from these reports that they almost make themselves a target not walking with confidence and awareness. One guy looked like a deer in headlights oblivious to sounds and people around him. It was quite eye opening. I personally feel safe walking to SF from the Ibis museo up until about 9 pm at night. By that time most people have cleared out of my preferred walking route of Carrera 7 to Calle 22 and then walking in. I'm also obviously gringo and so stand out. I feel as though if you had more Spanish features you would have a better time. But after that I just get a didi in to SF. I find the main streets where the girls and clubs are fairly safe but obviously gritty. When I've left the SF clubs around 1-2 am I personally wouldn't feel comfortable walking around SF. The streets are a lot more deserted but the street with the clubs on is fine and easy to catch a taxi back to your hotel.

Just my 2 cents. Take what you want from it. I feel Bogota gets a bit of a bad wrap. Petty theft is common. Obviously murder is another thing but unfortunately this can happen in many places.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2984383]I don't mean to turn a blind eye to this murder nor make light of it but in a country the size of Colombia with a mixed population picking a story out of a town almost 3 hours away from Bogota and relating it to the safety of Bogota is a bit far fetched. But that's just my 2 cents and honestly not really looking to start an argument. As with all large cities, even more so in a country that the socio economic divide is extreme, safety should never be overlooked. Latin America has a certain feel which if you're not used to can put some people in a heightened state of alert. I also don't want to cast Bogota as the safest place in the world, it's not. As in all my reports I have mentioned that certain areas (SF being one) feels sketchy and by no means would I say it's safe but having said that I have seen some gringos walk through SF oblivious to their surroundings probably because they're so freaked out from these reports that they almost make themselves a target not walking with confidence and awareness. One guy looked like a deer in headlights oblivious to sounds and people around him. It was quite eye opening. I personally feel safe walking to SF from the Ibis museo up until about 9 pm at night. By that time most people have cleared out of my preferred walking route of Carrera 7 to Calle 22 and then walking in. I'm also obviously gringo and so stand out. I feel as though if you had more Spanish features you would have a better time. But after that I just get a didi in to SF. I find the main streets where the girls and clubs are fairly safe but obviously gritty. When I've left the SF clubs around 1-2 am I personally wouldn't feel comfortable walking around SF. The streets are a lot more deserted but the street with the clubs on is fine and easy to catch a taxi back to your hotel.

Just my 2 cents. Take what you want from it. I feel Bogota gets a bit of a bad wrap. Petty theft is common. Obviously murder is another thing but unfortunately this can happen in many places.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree and I'm not trying to scare anyone. I pretty freely roam the city at this point. However, the last 4 months or so the city feels a little different. I was walking through Santa Fe a recent Saturday afternoon and my spidey sense was going off a lot with the younger men. Not trying to scare or anything. But I never had that happen on a regular basis in the cumulative like 1000 days I've been in Bogota the last couple of years. And these last few months it's a common feeling in various parts of the city for me.

I was sharing this with a Venezuelan friend that mongers and he said he was waiting for me to say something.

But for me Bogota remains awesome. Love it.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2984440]I don't disagree and I'm not trying to scare anyone. I pretty freely roam the city at this point. However, the last 4 months or so the city feels a little different. I was walking through Santa Fe a recent Saturday afternoon and my spidey sense was going off a lot with the younger men. Not trying to scare or anything. But I never had that happen on a regular basis in the cumulative like 1000 days I've been in Bogota the last couple of years. And these last few months it's a common feeling in various parts of the city for me.[/QUOTE]So your feelings changed? Anything more concrete than feelings? Maybe saw someone getting robbed on the corner every few days or groups of gangs patrolling the sidewalks?

Historically, for anyone not familiar with Bogota the north is as safe as you can get in Bogota but things happen EVERYWHERE! The further south the more unsafe things get.

Bogota is divided into zones, zone 1 is deep south and as you move north to zone 6 in Chico. Utilities are the cheapest in 1 and gets progressively more expensive in the neighborhoods in the.

North. Speaking in generalities, the rents are the cheapest in the south and inhabited by those less fortunate and work in menial jobs but by no means not good people, most are hard working, honorable people unfortunately they fall victim to the robbers more than the richer residents mainly they only take taxis or Ubers or have a car. Most never take the transmilenio, lots of pick pockets and robbers on the platform. Most buses are ok but I personally stay away from the blue buses, they have a bad reputation.

Having made many many visits to Colombia in the last 15 years and having a family for the last 5 I have experienced the living conditions in the south and it is difficult. Back in 2010 Bogota was much better than today, they had escaped the stigma of Pablo, Tourism became to come back and the crime was basically normal big city crime. The cops came in and scoured the El Bronx neighborhood which scattered all the drug addicts and criminals to other neighborhood, probably good intentions with bad consequences. THEN Covid came. Poor Colombia can't get a break. Hundreds of thousands of very bad and desperate Venezuelans spread to other border countries in South America, Colombia being hit the most with this influx. So CRIME went up in Bogota, the lack of resources for the people took a toll on the city. And then, as of now the trifecta. With the aid of ill-informed University students, they elected. Gustavo Petro, a dedicated rebel sworn to take down the, in power government of Colombia, a member of FARC he has installed XFARC members as ministers of a lot of the divisions of power in the city. So Colombia has more things to endure so Crime has grown and what was safe may not be safe anymore. Bogota Vets like Taggert are not wrong. Take taxis or Ubers at night either in the south El Centro or the north, to your hotel even if its just a few blocks. I stay at the same place or years when in Bogota, I know the family who own the hotel and they treat me as family so I trust everyone. Beware of some Hotel workers / doormen, cashiers in stores, some work with the street criminals and tip them off if you flash cash watches or jewelry. But be careful if you bring a girl back, don't trust her. There's a guy in Rio named Mario a German xpat who locks his door and won't let anyone leave his apartment until he searches them and the girls purses. Maybe a little over the top but good advice all the same.

Love Bogota and the Latin culture, my girls family are wonderful people, common working people by honorable and trustworthy. I've only been to SF twice, but had one problem when a skinny street person approached me and my wingman as we waited outside the Piscina for our driver. Its a standard MO for robbers to start a conversation sizing you up. And my wingman was a big guy, a boxer that hits hard but if he stabs or shoots you first it doesn't matter how hard you hit vs a gun. I kept him calm and our driver arrived at that moment so all was ok but I sensed, like Taggart something wasn'why right. So pay attention to your gut, take taxis / Uber stay sober and be stay safe. Sorry if this is same old same old for Colombia Vets but its good advice for anyone new to Colombia.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2984724]Historically, for anyone not familiar with Bogota the north is as safe as you can get in Bogota but things happen EVERYWHERE! The further south the more unsafe things get.

Bogota is divided into zones, zone 1 is deep south and as you move north to zone 6 in Chico. Utilities are the cheapest in 1 and gets progressively more expensive in the neighborhoods in the.

North. Speaking in generalities, the rents are the cheapest in the south and inhabited by those less fortunate and work in menial jobs but by no means not good people, most are hard working, honorable people unfortunately they fall victim to the robbers more than the richer residents[/QUOTE]I was messing with this chick and wanted to go bowling. I think most of the places closed at 7, but one stayed open later. I told her to meet me at the mall down south in Ciudad Bolivar. She was like noooo, it is too dangerous there. But when she got there, she said it was not as bad as she thought.

I can say though that you can see the difference between there and the north. I went to this chick's house in the north and it was as quiet as suburbia. The mall closed all early and shit. Streets were clean and empty after 9 pm.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2984882]I was messing with this chick and wanted to go bowling. I think most of the places closed at 7, but one stayed open later. I told her to meet me at the mall down south in Ciudad Bolivar. She was like noooo, it is too dangerous there. But when she got there, she said it was not as bad as she thought.

I can say though that you can see the difference between there and the north. I went to this chick's house in the north and it was as quiet as suburbia. The mall closed all early and shit. Streets were clean and empty after 9 pm.[/QUOTE]Looks like you obviously had the 57? Jaja just sayen.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2984882]I was messing with this chick and wanted to go bowling. I think most of the places closed at 7, but one stayed open later. I told her to meet me at the mall down south in Ciudad Bolivar. She was like noooo, it is too dangerous there. But when she got there, she said it was not as bad as she thought.

I can say though that you can see the difference between there and the north. I went to this chick's house in the north and it was as quiet as suburbia. The mall closed all early and shit. Streets were clean and empty after 9 pm.[/QUOTE]Looks like someone bowled a Turkey. 🦃.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2984882]I was messing with this chick and wanted to go bowling.[/QUOTE]Have never heard of that happening. Must have been a very lousy lay.

I'll be in Bogota next week and I'm wondering where to go to have a good night.

Not just wonder the streets for a girl that may or may not deliver good service, but a place where you can relax, fool around if you want but not be forced to.

Something between a German FKK spa and a Thai gogo bar.

Are there any places like this? Or what is the best place to hang out.

[QUOTE=Dvil00;2985548]I'll be in Bogota next week and I'm wondering where to go to have a good night.

Not just wonder the streets for a girl that may or may not deliver good service, but a place where you can relax, fool around if you want but not be forced to.

Something between a German FKK spa and a Thai gogo bar.

Are there any places like this? Or what is the best place to hang out.[/QUOTE]Several stripclub brothels available-- You can get lapdances for pretty cheap and then go upstairs-- depending on the day and time you go. Atonis, Venus, Fiebre, Paisa and Troya are some good clubs in Santa Fe some pretty hot girls when they are busy -- Other clubs in the city too--Good Luck.

Thanks to everyone who has posted reports. They really help.

I am wrapping up my 2nd trip to Bogota. 3 days were spent with a spinner that I like from Seeking. It went well until she started her time of the month. She went home this morning so I started looking at Tinder and casas. It was too early in the day for clubs so I went downtown to hit a museum. Around noon I realized that I was close to Santa Fe so I took a walk.

I quickly found a thin petite woman. The room was 13 mil for 30 minutes. The BBBJ did the job and I was on my way. I expect to make another trip tomorrow.

I invested a fair amount of work and cash in the seeking friend but next trip I'm going to make my life easier and either hit Santa Fe or a spa.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2984724]Historically, for anyone not familiar with Bogota the north is as safe as you can get in Bogota but things happen EVERYWHERE! The further south the more unsafe things get.Bogota is divided into zones, zone 1 is deep south and as you move north to zone 6 in Chico. Utilities are the cheapest in 1 and gets progressively more expensive in the neighborhoods in the North.[/QUOTE]Overall, there is good advice in this post. However there are for sure some exceptions to the North-South rule.

A few:

+ One of the most dangerous areas overall is SantaFe, which of course sits in the center north-south.

+ Parque LOS Hippies area & to the west across Carracas can be sketchy yet many consider it in the "North".

+ Some people consider the north to start around 72 (Ave Chile / Calle 72) in the center Chapinero. Others consider it around Zona T or El Virrey. Others consider the north to be Usaquen and above. So, it's relative. In general, all of those places are safe. But as you mention things happen everywhere and that's not unique to Colombia.

+ There are a few barrios peligroso in the north like cerro norte, santa cecilia, el castilo. But you're not likely to accidentally stumble into them.

+ Some not so great areas in Engativa, but you aren't likely to go there as a destination, but might travel through there on way to / from airport.

+ There really aren't any "gentrified" neighborhoods in the south that I am aware of. But there are some conjuntos or apartment buildings which for sure are safer than others.

Best advice of all is to not automatically think someone is trustworthy because they say they are from the north, nor to think someone is not a good person because they live in the south.

[QUOTE=PhisherMan2;2985813] next trip I'm going to make my life easier and either hit Santa Fe or a spa.[/QUOTE]Today's update is from Tantra spa. 8 girls working at noon. 60 mil COP for 30 minutes including natural oral. Good skills. An extra 50 for CIM. This place is 2 doors down from Tantra bar. A guy in a yellow jackiwill let you in and stay with you while you wait for an Uber. This place caters to locals and is a step up in comfort from the very basic rooms in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Dvil00;2985548]I'll be in Bogota next week and I'm wondering where to go to have a good night.

Not just wonder the streets for a girl that may or may not deliver good service, but a place where you can relax, fool around if you want but not be forced to.

Something between a German FKK spa and a Thai gogo bar.

Are there any places like this? Or what is the best place to hang out.[/QUOTE]I have never seen anything like a FKK or exactly like a Thai gogo.

Best bet to find something close to the latter would be in Santa Fe. I wouldn't reccomend going alone.

Definitely not if you're a BOG virgin.

There are other spots but they are more spread out.

Ill be there this week also. Inbox me if you want to meet up.

Not really something that's exactly like either one. Nothing like a FKK place here. Of course the Gogo bars are just essentially girls up on stage that you can invite down for a drink and so that's basically what the SF clubs are just that the girls aren't all up on the stage. It's more like a conventional strip club in the States. Every so often a girl will be up on the stage dancing naked and the other girls are just standing / wandering around. You sit down at a table, your Mesero will bring you a drink (poker beer and water are 10 mil each), you sit there and drink and take a look and you just pick the girl you want to sit down with you and buy them a drink. Whereas in the gogo bars some of the girls can speak quite good English here If you don't speak Spanish well enough the conversation won't be that great. Occasionally you find an older girl that speaks some English but most of the younger girls don't speak any English at all. But still all I've had are fine using the phone translator app if you're buying them a drink and when they finish their drink they'll either want another one, ask if you want to go upstairs or you can say thanks and have them move on.

If you feel uncomfortable about being in SF then just catch a didi or uber down to Troya at about 8 pm or contact Woodman for a tour. SF is honestly not that bad but you can't obviously flash your money around in the streets. Once in Troya Have a beer, etc in there. Check out the talent. If you don't like what you see or want to explore Then walk out the entrance / exit that leads onto Carrera 16 a and you'll find all the other clubs next door to each other. Fiebre is another good one for doing the exact same. Atones is another but the talent is often a step down from these 2 but still you may find a cute diamond in the rough there and it kind of gives off slutty girl vibes. Venus is a good one for just telling the guy you want to look. Sometimes it's completely dead and other times it's busy. Just tell the mesero guy that walks you in that you're just looking (I just point to my eyes) they all know what you mean. Paisas is another one but everytine I go in there it's dead but still there's often a cutie just hanging out in there that may make it worthwhile. Usually I do the rounds and by the time I've had a drink and checked out the talent in each club I'm back in either Troya or fiebre heading upstairs with a girl and unloading in their mouth by the end of it.

[QUOTE=Dvil00;2985548]I'll be in Bogota next week and I'm wondering where to go to have a good night.

Not just wonder the streets for a girl that may or may not deliver good service, but a place where you can relax, fool around if you want but not be forced to.

Something between a German FKK spa and a Thai gogo bar.

Are there any places like this? Or what is the best place to hang out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;2986941]I have never seen anything like a FKK or exactly like a Thai gogo.

Best bet to find something close to the latter would be in Santa Fe. I wouldn't reccomend going alone.

Definitely not if you're a BOG virgin.

There are other spots but they are more spread out.

Ill be there this week also. Inbox me if you want to meet up.[/QUOTE]I'm also headed there this week and have never been, definitely looking for some pointers, I went to try to PM you but I don't know how.

Thanks guys, some usefull info here.

[QUOTE=MattStevens08;2987227]I'm also headed there this week and have never been, definitely looking for some pointers, I went to try to PM you but I don't know how.[/QUOTE]You need a subscription.

Then you will see the PM option.

There are 2 nice, slim girls in Tantras at the moment that I've been having fun with. Since you never know the girls names up front it seems pointless to say their names. There are other reviews here of Tantras as well as my own but I'll write details for those that may be new to this.

Search google maps for Tantras spa. It's on Carrera 20 a just north of Calle 72 (south of Calle 72 Carrera 20 a becomes Carrera 17 which may confuse you if you don't zoom in on maps and wondering if that's the place). There are 2 Tantras. On the corner of Carrera 20 a and Calle 72 is the tantras bar. I haven't been in there as I'm mostly visiting during the day but I imagine in the evening it may be good but I believe the girls all move around between the bar and the spa depending on what's busier. From a prior report it appears that if you take a girl up from the bar the girls in the spa get priority on the rooms if all the rooms are busy. That was from a few months ago so not sure if that's still the case just FYI.

The spa location is a white door in between 2 shops (ferre pinturas and apicultura). On my 1st visit to the spa there was a guy in a tantras jacket outside the bar and I asked him "chicas en spa" and he walked me over, buzzed the door and let me in. The 2nd time I went no one was there but the door was locked and to the side of the door is a buzzer which I pushed and the door buzzed open. On my most recent 3 trips there no one was outside but the door was unlocked. Either way the door will be closed and you either just open it or push the buzzer to be let in. Once inside walk down the short hallway to the stairs on your left and walk up. Once upstairs there's a girl behind a counter who will tell you take a seat on one of the couches, she'll ring a bell and the girls will come out for you to choose from. Upstairs can sometimes be busy with guys sitting with girls talking and other times is quiet. The number of girls coming out varies from 8-12 of them. On my very last visit a lot of the girls were talking to other guys on the couches and only 4 were available to come over to me. Sometimes they'll shake your hand, sometimes not. Either way you just point to the girl you want and the rest leave. If you're familiar with Thai massage places in Bangkok it was exactly the same. After this you pay the girl behind the counter for the general service and time. There is 30 minutes for 60 mil and 1 hour for 110 mil. On one of my visits they didn't have change. Another visit I gave the girl 150 and she gave me the 40 mil back in change. My most recent one was a prior appointment with a girl and once up the stairs she took me to the room straight away and she took my 150 mil while I was waiting in the room. I was expecting change and she didn't give it to me and so when leaving I asked for it and she seemed reluctant about it but gave me change back. I think best practice though is to probably go there with the exact amount to give the girl behind the counter.

From here it depends. Sometimes the girl will confirm what you want before going into the room or leave to get freshened up. The general service included with the time paid with the girl at the counter is BBBJ and sex multiple positions with 1 shot. My needs vary but it typically cost 50 k more that you then pay the girl for extras. As an example, first time I wanted to touch the girls tits, pussy and CIM which cost 50 k. Another time I wanted DATY and besos con Lengua (DFK) which was 50 k. Another girl I got touching pussy, tits and proper DFK for 50 k. Anal has been offered by 1 girl for 100 k and most recently another girl who said 200 mil for it which I laughed at and she laughed too and I think she was just hoping I would say yes but I think if anal is your thing you could probably negotiate for 50-100 mil. Bottom line is extras on top of the basic BBBJ and 1 shot sex start at 50 k with most girls accepting 50 mil for a number of things combined.

The rooms are small. Actually they're bare minimum. Doggy is best done both using the bed with your knees bent on the bed rather than my preferred which is the girl bending over on the bed and me standing due to the size of the room. There's a small space at the end of the bed to put your clothes and shoes so they don't get in the way. Most, in my experience all of them, will give your their WhatsApp number but they seem to work daily from 11-9 so chances of meeting them outside may be slim. They will hit you up asking to come back though so if you don't want those messages then don't share WhatsApp info. There are a variety of girls every time I've been ranging from tall, short, slim / very thin to slightly thicker but I've never seen a fat girl in there, slim / tiny ass to thick ass. Light brown skin to more Caribbean looking darker. The girls stay pretty much the same weekly but on this visit there were no girls from my prior visits so I'm thinking they work there for a month or two and then move on which is good for variety. Alcohol wipes are a standard.

Nothing wrong in catching an uber or didi there but it's fairly non descriptive so I like to get the ride to the Chile Avenida Mall which is about a 5-8 minute walk from the spa. It's a nice, safe, non descriptive mall with a small food court area. Here I can freshen up in the mall restrooms if I need to, grab a coffee or juice, etc before heading down there. There's construction on Avenida Caracas but you can walk straight from the mall to the corner of 72 and 20 A. Once finished I just walk back to the mall and get an uber back to the hotel or go for a walk somewhere to eat or drink. There's some good restaurants / cafes near there and the area feels safe.

I always do the hour even though I don't use all the time and would probably be better served by doing the 30 minutes but I don't want to be rushed. The girls will be quick to give BBBJ and then once hard get a rubber on so that they ride you and finish you but don't be afraid to say "mas oral por favor". My experiences with the girls, I have had about 8 or 9 girls there now, have all been good except for 1 girl who just wasn't quite into it but still rode me like a champ. On my most recent visit a cute slim 22 year old blonde let me facefuck her for an extended period of time. A lot of fun with a lot of gagging, spit and snot coming out of her nose while ramming down her throat. She was into it. Another very, very cute thin 21 year old. For working in this place her pussy was tight and despite wanting to last forever with her thin girls are my thing and grabbing her waist, ramming her up and down on me in cowgirl and grabbing her tits meant that I never lasted close to the hour but I repeated with her multiple times. Both girls charged me 50 k additional for DFK and CIM. Unfortunately she ruined it on the last day when I said I couldn't make it in to the spa and she whatsapped me saying she was sick and needed money and in a desperate situation and to please send it to her by western union. But I didn't reply and I'm not that shocked. The girls want money. Next day she posts on her WhatsApp story like normal. That's just the way it is. I'll still message her when I'm back down here, she'll still happily accept my money and I'll still happily accept that tight pussy wrapped around my dick. Viva Colombia!

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2986012]Overall, there is good advice in this post. However there are for sure some exceptions to the North-South rule.

A few:

+ One of the most dangerous areas overall is SantaFe, which of course sits in the center north-south.

+ Parque LOS Hippies area & to the west across Carracas can be sketchy yet many consider it in the "North".

+ Some people consider the north to start around 72 (Ave Chile / Calle 72) in the center Chapinero. Others consider it around Zona T or El Virrey. Others consider the north to be Usaquen and above. So, it's relative. In general, all of those places are safe. But as you mention things happen everywhere and that's not unique to Colombia.

+ There are a few barrios peligroso in the north like cerro norte, santa cecilia, el castilo. But you're not likely to accidentally stumble into them.

+ Some not so great areas in Engativa, but you aren't likely to go there as a destination, but might travel through there on way to / from airport.

+ There really aren't any "gentrified" neighborhoods in the south that I am aware of. But there are some conjuntos or apartment buildings which for sure are safer than others.

Best advice of all is to not automatically think someone is trustworthy because they say they are from the north, nor to think someone is not a good person because they live in the south.[/QUOTE]Nice info more precise than I went into but good advice all the same. When I said north I was basically referring to Chico Norte area but as you say in each area has pockets to the contrary. The south area has many many wonderful people. My girls family lives in Soacha, a Hard working family, dads a taxi driver and mom cleans offices, no one ever committed a crime but have been victims of quite a few Phone robbers. But her dad was shot in the leg and head and spent over a month in a coma. They have lived in the south area for years and years and know the dangers all too well of Bogota and are street savvy and yet they have suffered in different areas of the city so as a newbee best you take extreme caution. Use taxis why Ubers especially at night even if it's only a few blocks. I love Colombia and Bogota has been my go to place for years but be safe and enjoy it.

So the prices of tantra spa are on their website.

[URL]https://tantraspa72.wixsite.com/tantras[/URL]

I wasn't exactly aware before and they charged me 110 for half an hour.

Once in the room the girl tried to sell me every single extra for more.

When I tried to explain I read it was supposed to be 50 for a few, she said ok.

So know your prices even here, they will try to charge you tourist rates.

Now I have to say the girl did put in good effort and she also did a massage after I finished to complete the 30 minutes.

Day before I met up with world jockey and we had a stroll around Santa Fe and later went to pussy house.

While we weren't impressed by the girls at first more cuter ones did keep coming in after 12, and the atmosphere also got a lot better once the girls got a little more tipsy.

When it got busy they required us to buy a bottle of some alcohol to keep our comfy seats in the back, with single drinks we weren't allowed to sit there anymore. Didn't fancy drinking much but when the girl I was interested in showed up it became a better deal, they drink whatever you drink at no additional costs. So half a bottle of spirits it was. She actually drank most of it haha. Not too bad for 110 k.

After like 20 minutes of playing around and drinking she asked if I wanted a dance or sex. I picked the latter. So in my experience the girl then wants to go to the room ASAP, get it done and moves on. Well not this girl, she said she really wanted to dance for me too, so she went to go change, danced for me, of course she wanted a tip haha.

But after that she was all in, DFK, no restrictions on where my hands or fingers could go. After 15 minutes we were ready to go up, when k wanted to pay the papasan he didn't want my money. There was police downstairs and we had to wait. Felt like an hour. But no matter this girl was into me so we (she) kept drinking and playing.

Finally downstairs I had an amazing experience. Did have to buy a 20 k condom though, call it room rent.

Total cost of the evening for 550 k, I could have tipped less, could have also negotiated with the girl for price, but I got at least 2 hours of her time now, not sure that would have happened if I skimped out, who knows.

Anyway pussy house gets a solid 8/10. But don't come too early, I would suggest after 11 on a weekend.

So, it's been a few years since I've visited the SF street scene in Bogot (2019). I have quite a lot of experience in Colombia in various cities, and I can count on one hand the number of times a girl has demanded payment upfront. Two of these were with Vennies in Centro Medelland, and I was able to convince them that this wasn't my first rodeo and to cut the crap, so to speak. However, I just visited SF again a few days ago and found a cute Vennie SG. Once in the room, she demands payment first. I give her the usual speech about how I've never paid first and to stop wasting time, yadda yadda. Only this time, she looked genuinely confused that I wouldn't pay first, and she wouldn't budge on her demand for money upfront. So I walked out, so annoyed I didn't even feel like fucking anymore, and lost my $3 for the hotel.

So my question is: Have things really changed so much in SF that one must pay first for SGs? Or was this just an oddly stubborn Vennie I had the bad luck to encounter?

[QUOTE=TravisBickle3;2990233]So, it's been a few years since I've visited the SF street scene in Bogot (2019). I have quite a lot of experience in Colombia in various cities, and I can count on one hand the number of times a girl has demanded payment upfront. Two of these were with Vennies in Centro Medelland, and I was able to convince them that this wasn't my first rodeo and to cut the crap, so to speak. However, I just visited SF again a few days ago and found a cute Vennie SG. Once in the room, she demands payment first. I give her the usual speech about how I've never paid first and to stop wasting time, yadda yadda. Only this time, she looked genuinely confused that I wouldn't pay first, and she wouldn't budge on her demand for money upfront. So I walked out, so annoyed I didn't even feel like fucking anymore, and lost my $3 for the hotel.

So my question is: Have things really changed so much in SF that one must pay first for SGs? Or was this just an oddly stubborn Vennie I had the bad luck to encounter?[/QUOTE]What happens if a rat gets the cheese before it must run the maze? Do you think it will run the maze? Same with women.

Regardless of what the girls say, one is stupid if you pay before, and you will get nothing in return other than the girl will joke about you to her friends afterwards for being so dumb.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2990263]What happens if a rat gets the cheese before it must run the maze? Do you think it will run the maze? Same with women.

Regardless of what the girls say, one is stupid if you pay before, and you will get nothing in return other than the girl will joke about you to her friends afterwards for being so dumb.[/QUOTE]Does that mean don't give in? My one time experience there I did not pay upfront. But made sure to negotiate everything.

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2990296]Does that mean don't give in? My one time experience there I did not pay upfront. But made sure to negotiate everything.[/QUOTE]I always tell them no. "You can leave". "Bye".

You can always find another willing hoe.

They will try to play their assortment of tricks on you if you pay them first. You can never win with this type of professional hoe. You either establish control from the beginning or you are their victim.

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2990296]Does that mean don't give in? My one time experience there I did not pay upfront. But made sure to negotiate everything.[/QUOTE]I don't think one should ever pay before the deed is done with a SG. I'm mostly interested in hearing what other guys recent experiences are in SF, and if there is a trend in girls demanding payment upfront. Sounds like I just picked an odd chica that day, which is good news. It's been so long since I've had a girl try this that I forgot to mention pago despues in the the negotiations. Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=TravisBickle3;2990233]So, it's been a few years since I've visited the SF street scene in Bogot (2019). I have quite a lot of experience in Colombia in various cities, and I can count on one hand the number of times a girl has demanded payment upfront. Two of these were with Vennies in Centro Medelland, and I was able to convince them that this wasn't my first rodeo and to cut the crap, so to speak. However, I just visited SF again a few days ago and found a cute Vennie SG. Once in the room, she demands payment first. I give her the usual speech about how I've never paid first and to stop wasting time, yadda yadda. Only this time, she looked genuinely confused that I wouldn't pay first, and she wouldn't budge on her demand for money upfront. So I walked out, so annoyed I didn't even feel like fucking anymore, and lost my $3 for the hotel.

So my question is: Have things really changed so much in SF that one must pay first for SGs? Or was this just an oddly stubborn Vennie I had the bad luck to encounter?[/QUOTE]I've always paid first. I always thought that was the norm. There are a lot of sketchy guys that don't have the money. Makes the girls feel better. I also recognize that yes you're much more likely to get service issues if you pay first. I've had girls that refuse to take their tops off. Refuse to let you touch them. Just pain in the ass. So maybe you're on to something. I'd like to hear woodman's opinion on this.

[QUOTE=TravisBickle3;2990233]So my question is: Have things really changed so much in SF that one must pay first for SGs? Or was this just an oddly stubborn Vennie I had the bad luck to encounter?[/QUOTE]I only pay first when I give the girl a 50 K bill to pay for the room, then I just let her keep the change as her payment.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2990420]I've always paid first. I always thought that was the norm. There are a lot of sketchy guys that don't have the money. Makes the girls feel better. I also recognize that yes you're much more likely to get service issues if you pay first. I've had girls that refuse to take their tops off. Refuse to let you touch them. Just pain in the ass. So maybe you're on to something. I'd like to hear woodman's opinion on this.[/QUOTE]I think that you have to pick your hoes wisely and if you try to do post pay you will not get 90%+ of the girls you want-- When I say pick wisely I mean what is the mood of the girl? Can you have a conversation with her. Use your spidey sence-- Some guys have problems with this kinda thing-.

Fortunatly I have a stable of girls that are reliable -- I always love getting with a new girl but I worry about bad service like everyone else. I always try to see what the girl like and make an educated guess.

Good Luck.

Went to Troya and it was ok-- maybe 7-9+ girls a few nice. We went to Venus and there were 5-6 girls and 3-5 guys and you really don't expect to see a Super Hot girl dancing (7+) in an empty club*-- a really hot 20 yr old Venezolana with big double the size boobs. Pretty face slim. Nice ass -- Nice attitude-- BBBJ and Great Attitude 100 mil.

Saturday was much better at least 800%+ more girls. Definately many Stunners in the clubs--*Get to Santa Fe and Say Hey Hey Hey!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2990508]Went to Troya and it was ok-- maybe 7-9+ girls a few nice. We went to Venus and there were 5-6 girls and 3-5 guys and you really don't expect to see a Super Hot girl dancing (7+) in an empty club*-- a really hot 20 yr old Venezolana with big double the size boobs. Pretty face slim. Nice ass -- Nice attitude-- BBBJ and Great Attitude 100 mil.

Saturday was much better at least 800%+ more girls. Definately many Stunners in the clubs--*Get to Santa Fe and Say Hey Hey Hey![/QUOTE]Bringing my friend with me and going to spend some time in sf. But also working some girls from seeking. I wanted to try some prepaid from escorts sites. I will post my reviews once it all shakes out. And you're right about feeling the girls out and making sure they are cool or in a good mood. My Spanish is limited abut you get a vibe.

[QUOTE=MadNasty;2990569]Bringing my friend with me and going to spend some time in sf. But also working some girls from seeking. I wanted to try some prepaid from escorts sites. I will post my reviews once it all shakes out. And you're right about feeling the girls out and making sure they are cool or in a good mood. My Spanish is limited abut you get a vibe.[/QUOTE]You should try the Pimsleur Spanish -- it's a set of 90 MP3 lessons in 3 levels, Great self study -- You can find it online in a bit torrent.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2990420]I've always paid first. I always thought that was the norm. There are a lot of sketchy guys that don't have the money. Makes the girls feel better. I also recognize that yes you're much more likely to get service issues if you pay first. I've had girls that refuse to take their tops off. Refuse to let you touch them. Just pain in the ass. So maybe you're on to something. I'd like to hear woodman's opinion on this.[/QUOTE]Some of you guys are not doing any kind of vetting before you take these chicas. There's a process that will minimize disappointments.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2990630]Some of you guys are not doing any kind of vetting before you take these chicas. There's a process that will minimize disappointments.[/QUOTE]I usually try man. I don't go to Santa Fe as much as I used to. The last time I forgot the routine and got roasted. I think I was out of practice. Paid too much cause I was too excited, didn't really interview her, just asked her how much. Got to the room and she wanted 20 k more to take her top off. Pain in the ass when it got down to fucking. Kept closing her legs and wouldn't let me really get in there. Initially refused to do doggy. Only reluctantly let me do her doggie style after arguing with her for 5 minutes which killed my hard on. Waste of 90 k. Paid 60 to the girl. 10 k for the room and 20 k for the top. It was slim pickings that day in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2990501]I think that you have to pick your hoes wisely and if you try to do post pay you will not get 90%+ of the girls you want-- When I say pick wisely I mean what is the mood of the girl? Can you have a conversation with her. Use your spidey sence-- Some guys have problems with this kinda thing-.

Fortunatly I have a stable of girls that are reliable -- I always love getting with a new girl but I worry about bad service like everyone else. I always try to see what the girl like and make an educated guess.

Good Luck.[/QUOTE]Yea this what I thought. Pay first is pretty normal. I've had times where a girl didn't ask me for payment until the end, but that's rare. You kind of just have to accept that you're going to get some bad chicks in santa fe every once in a while.

Upfront payment is a no-no. If a good session happens after upfront payment that is very good luck.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2990297]I always tell them no. "You can leave". "Bye".

You can always find another willing hoe.

They will try to play their assortment of tricks on you if you pay them first. You can never win with this type of professional hoe. You either establish control from the beginning or you are their victim.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2990630]Some of you guys are not doing any kind of vetting before you take these chicas. There's a process that will minimize disappointments.[/QUOTE]No vetting at all. I walk up and ask how much and say let's go. Never any disappointments.

Please check out the places I went to my last trip and let me know if I missed any clubs or spas.

Clubs in the Zona de Tolerancia:

Club: Fiebre.

Club: Atonis.

Club: Troya.

Club: Paisias.

Club: Venus.

Club: Texas.

Club: Loto.

The next 7 clubs were scattered throughout the city. Many of them were located in Chapinero.

Club: Forty Nine.

Club: Bar Coche.

Club: Pussy House.

Club: Divas VIP.

Club: Whiskeria Show Linares.

Club: Lido.

Club: Lancaster Paris.

Club: Tantras.

Spas: Tantra.

Also, I conducted more research and I found a few more places:

Sanram club.

Sensual club.

Sixty nine bar.

Fercho's VIP.

Tronos.

California Club.

Mora Mora.

Bahia Safary.

Happy Night.

Linares Punto 48.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with any of the above places?

Thanks everyone for their help and inputs!

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2991056]Please check out the places I went to my last trip and let me know if I missed any clubs or spas.

Clubs in the Zona de Tolerancia:

Club: Fiebre.

Club: Atonis.

Club: Troya.

Club: Paisias.

Club: Venus.

Club: Texas.

Club: Loto.

The next 7 clubs were scattered throughout the city. Many of them were located in Chapinero.

Club: Forty Nine.

Club: Bar Coche.

Club: Pussy House.

Club: Divas VIP.

Club: Whiskeria Show Linares.

Club: Lido.

Club: Lancaster Paris.

Club: Tantras.

Spas: Tantra.

Also, I conducted more research and I found a few more places:

Sanram club.

Sensual club.

Sixty nine bar.

Fercho's VIP.

Tronos.

California Club.

Mora Mora.

Bahia Safary.

Happy Night.

Linares Punto 48.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with any of the above places?

Thanks everyone for their help and inputs![/QUOTE]When have you been? I Thouht the club 49 was closed 3 or 4 years ago, did not survive to the scamedic.

Also, all clubs with stunner girls are now private in Bogota. You need to be in the the Know to get adresses and invitation. Pretty all the other club open to the public joe have average girls, no stunner.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2990630]Some of you guys are not doing any kind of vetting before you take these chicas. There's a process that will minimize disappointments.[/QUOTE]How many hoes will tell you the truth? When one vettes someone they do a complete background investigation, like when a vice president gets selected. FBI investigation and friends are interviewed. You have limited time to interrogate a hoe. And they will all lie to get your cheese, like a rat in a maze.

Its only later when they tell you they have to go now because their baby needs milk, or their mother is in the hospital. LOL.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2990733]Upfront payment is a no-no. If a good session happens after upfront payment that is very good luck.[/QUOTE]These are wise words, if you pre-pay and you don't get burned you just had a very lucky day.

I've never ever pre-paid, I can remember a few of times they demand money after I already mentioned outside, "I only pay when we finish", and I even made them acknowledge they heard me.

I just walk out, you lose a couple pesos for the room, oh well, NEXT.

Most times I yell something to the cashier like she's a worthless scammer etc.

When you pre-pay them you're giving them ALL your power, what are you going to do when you get a horrible session like Kazeu.

The most I'm ever losing is the room fee.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2991056]Please check out the places I went to my last trip and let me know if I missed any clubs or spas.

Clubs in the Zona de Tolerancia:

Club: Fiebre.

Club: Atonis.

Club: Troya.

Club: Paisias.

Club: Venus.

Club: Texas.

Club: Loto.

The next 7 clubs were scattered throughout the city. Many of them were located in Chapinero.

Club: Forty Nine.

Club: Bar Coche.

Club: Pussy House.

Club: Divas VIP.

Club: Whiskeria Show Linares.

Club: Lido.

Club: Lancaster Paris.

Club: Tantras.

Spas: Tantra.

Also, I conducted more research and I found a few more places:

Sanram club.

Sensual club.

Sixty nine bar.

Fercho's VIP.

Tronos.

California Club.

Mora Mora.

Bahia Safary.

Happy Night.

Linares Punto 48.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with any of the above places?

Thanks everyone for their help and inputs![/QUOTE]I don't see Rosquillas on your list.

Calle 64 #15-30.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2990620]You should try the Pimsleur Spanish -- it's a set of 90 MP3 lessons in 3 levels, Great self study -- You can find it online in a bit torrent.[/QUOTE]Hey Woodman not related to this thread but wondering if you still offer nightlife tours for visitors? I'll be going to Bogota for a 2nd time at End of April. Last time I went stuck with mainly La Calestina for outcalls. Last time only spent 3 days in Bogota and most of my time in Medellin so looking to possibly explore Santa Fe clubs like Troya or any other clubs you recommend. I'm going there solo though this time and still going in with very basic Spanish speaking level so would only feel comfortable going with someone more experienced like yourself who knows the area. If you don't offer that anymore all good but if you I'll look to purchase a membership to PM you.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2991140]I don't see Rosquillas on your list.

Calle 64 #15-30.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I added the place to my list to visit.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2991071]When have you been? I Thouht the club 49 was closed 3 or 4 years ago, did not survive to the scamedic.
[/QUOTE]Last August.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2991083]How many hoes will tell you the truth? When one vettes someone they do a complete background investigation, like when a vice president gets selected. FBI investigation and friends are interviewed. You have limited time to interrogate a hoe. And they will all lie to get your cheese, like a rat in a maze.

Its only later when they tell you they have to go now because their baby needs milk, or their mother is in the hospital. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. I'm not talking about vetting for an investigation to be in the Secret Service or a background check.

Here's an example of how I might get a chica: I look for things like eye contact, body language, interest, personality, etc. I also like when I chica is smiling during conversation. Cleanliness and hygiene, intelligence and elegance.

Umm this might be a bit of an odd request, but does anyone know where I can go to get my body hair trimmed? I don't want it shaved, just trimmed. Also, if anyone has any good hair salon recommendations for styling and highlights, I'the really appreciate it! Also I am stayiing at tequendama suites.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2990733]Upfront payment is a no-no. If a good session happens after upfront payment that is very good luck.[/QUOTE]Tantra always insist on prepay and whilst I don't enjoy it there, many do.

BTW, Tantra have popped up on Telegram. They don't post much but at least they might be contactable now? 310 766 9128.

Years ago here there was a report on Viviana Santamaria's "swinger club". They've moved a few times from the location in that original report and she's currently at Carrera 30 opposite the TM 7 Agosto stop. This is by far my favorite place currently. You can go there for just an anonymous gang bang night, or spend a few hours with the girls and / or couples in the jacuzzi and get to know them. I find the later leads to a much better experience, and I've become friendly with a few of the girls there. Admission varies depending on the event but never exceeds 100 k, less if you come as a couple. Bar is reasonably priced, though a limited selection, and I can spend an entire evening there very happily and still have change from 200 k. (Though if you intend to return do tip the girls: they will remember you). She has a Whatsapp group on 304 371 1162 with the events, and a barely used Telegram group on 321 363 7536 which seems to get used mostly when she gets kicked off Whatsapp.

Maybe not for everyone, but I like it.

I'm thinking of making a trip there, end of June / early July. I've met up with ISG'ers and have fun doing that, but might be fun to monger around Santa Fe. Let me know if you're up for it, look through my posts to see I'm legit I'm a subscriber so you should be able to DM me.

Will be in Bogota in early July for a few days. This would be my first time in Colombia. Thinking of staying in Chapineiro, which from what I hear is the safest area close to everything that classic tourist that also mongers would want.

Anyone could recommend a visitors-friendly hotel, or nice girl-friendly Airbnb with 24 hour security in the area which is [U]not[/U] adjacent to Parque de LOS Hippies? Also do all of them have no climate control? I hear it can get pretty chilly in Bogota, especially at night.

You can check my handle. I contribute here when I'm away, or on USASG when home. Respond here or PM please.

[QUOTE=KindAn;2992607]I've met up with ISG'ers and have fun doing that, but might be fun to monger around Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]Maybe if you are in a club, but I see no fun in going up to a lone streetwalker with a bunch of guys.

So this past weekend The Tall Man happened to find myself in Bogota for the umpteenth time in the past decades of visits and had some time to kill on this past Friday evening so why not check out SF so headed over there from my nearby hotel about 6 PM.

It was not nearly as busy both in terms of the club chicas and the quantity and quality overall of the street girls but still you just need that one chica to rock your world, right!

As I was walking out of the door of one of the strip clubs what a pleasure it was to run into Woodman and his wing man PDiddy (spelling?) and come to find out that Woodman was giving one of his tours to this cool cat! I remember that I too took one of Woodmans tours of the SF streets and clubs about 7 years ago and he is still at it and so good to catch up with him, a solid salt of the earth guy so if your looking for some help in SF Woodman is the man.

So a shout out to both Woodman and PDiddy as they allowed me to join them and over the course of the next 3 hours we walked all the streets, went into numerous clubs, talked and laughed about how crazy life is!

Unfortunately I had to call it a night as the elevation was not kind to me on this visit.

TTM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2992678]Maybe if you are in a club, but I see no fun in going up to a lone streetwalker with a bunch of guys.[/QUOTE]Walking around SF and flirting and messing around with the Streetie Sweeties is Great Fun at Rushhour-.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;2992611]Will be in Bogota in early July for a few days. This would be my first time in Colombia. Thinking of staying in Chapineiro, which from what I hear is the safest area close to everything that classic tourist that also mongers would want.

Anyone could recommend a visitors-friendly hotel, or nice girl-friendly Airbnb with 24 hour security in the area which is [U]not[/U] adjacent to Parque de LOS Hippies? Also do all of them have no climate control? I hear it can get pretty chilly in Bogota, especially at night.

You can check my handle. I contribute here when I'm away, or on USASG when home. Respond here or PM please.[/QUOTE]There are great accomadations walking distance to SF-- And I could meet you where you stay if it's in the area.

This is ISG popular 3-4 star --giant rooms-- and close to Santa Fe.

[URL]https://www.hotelestequendama.com.co[/URL] -suites-Bogota.

[URL]https://all.accor.com/hotel/7318/index.en.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://sfbogota.com/[/URL] - There are many less expensive too.

There are many GF AirBnB but you should message the owner to ask them if you can have friends over and the rules of the building. Owners and rules change-- Let me know if you need research.

I'll be in Bogotá starting 3/28. I was there a year ago. As far as night clubs Fiebre was the best has there been any major changes? I love walking Sante Fe too and I had a good path at the time, but does anyone have streets they like to avoid? Let me know and message me if any of you want to go on the hunt. Cheers.

I'll be in Bogotá starting 3/28. I was there a year ago. As far as night clubs Fiebre was the best has there been any major changes? I love walking Sante Fe too and I had a good path at the time, but does anyone have streets they like to avoid? Let me know and message me if any of you want to go on the hunt. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2992770]

This is ISG popular 3-4 star --giant rooms-- and close to Santa Fe.

[URL]https://www.hotelestequendama.com.co[/URL] -suites-Bogota.

[/QUOTE]Didn't someone get stabbed immediately outside there recently?

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2993260]Didn't someone get stabbed immediately outside there recently?[/QUOTE]That hotel is only a few blocks from Santa Fe district. Good and Bad. I am sure someone has been stabbed there almost every day. Its a tough neighborhood. After dark I would take a taxi whenever I go to the clubs of Santa Fe, and even then some of the taxi drivers have told me they do not want to go into Santa Fe. During the day while walking from Santa Fe district I was followed by some weirdo homeless guy shouting at me, and had to duck into a restaurant to shake him.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2993260]Didn't someone get stabbed immediately outside there recently?[/QUOTE]I always stay here. Luckily never had an issue in this area and I walk to Santa Fe 3-4 times a day and back again from 12 noon up until 1 am. I've taken a shortcut to get to Santa Fe and every time I think " what are you doing" I'm amazed I've not been robbed yet, the amount of shady characters and homeless I walk past is crazy. I'the say the hotel itself is good value and very safe in the daytime, at night it can be quite a little too quiet in the area and you need to keep your whits about you.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2993274]That hotel is only a few blocks from Santa Fe district. Good and Bad. I am sure someone has been stabbed there almost every day. Its a tough neighborhood. After dark I would take a taxi whenever I go to the clubs of Santa Fe, and even then some of the taxi drivers have told me they do not want to go into Santa Fe. During the day while walking from Santa Fe district I was followed by some weirdo homeless guy shouting at me, and had to duck into a restaurant to shake him.[/QUOTE]Been in this area for over 10 years-- There maybe stabbing everyday but I have not seen one- and if they are happening they are among the locals. I blend in well I have walked home from SF at late hours many times (like last night) without problems of course some guys are more inviting targets I guess.

The police have the area covered well. Colomnbian people outside of the area are the most fearful but there are plenty of taxis there. Many of the people in the area are very poor but many middle class too I think there is much more tolerance between the classes and races here. I also think the North is where you have real pros hunting gringos like the US diplomat who was murdered in a failed cab abduction a while back. Anyhow-- just my 2 cents.

Hello. Is four points by Sheraton tequendama green / GF?



[QUOTE=Woodman09;2992770]There are great accomadations walking distance to SF-- And I could meet you where you stay if it's in the area.

This is ISG popular 3-4 star --giant rooms-- and close to Santa Fe.

[URL]https://www.hotelestequendama.com.co[/URL] -suites-Bogota.

[URL]https://all.accor.com/hotel/7318/index.en.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://sfbogota.com/[/URL] - There are many less expensive too.

There are many GF AirBnB but you should message the owner to ask them if you can have friends over and the rules of the building. Owners and rules change-- Let me know if you need research.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2980591]This is from my notes:

Cra 17 #53-36 50 K 2 hours all you can fuck, anal40, kiss30, trio50, oral sin 20.[/QUOTE]I was there yesterday.

Name: Spa Chicas.

Hours: 11 am to 9 pm.

Services: 4 women for 2 hours, 340 k.

Chicas: Decent.

Fun place!

Yo guys, are SF street prices still the same? 60 k for 15/20 minutes? Haven't been for 18 months I'm back in 6 weeks! After a few private dances in Troya I like a good session.

Good idea to take small bills into the clubs, California club was the worst I'd walk in and within 5 seconds the waiter would bring over a bottle of Corona and charge me 50,000 pesos. I paid it and left immediately I hate shit like that. Some guy on Calle 23 asked me if I wanted anything, I asked how much for weed and he quoted 60,000 but I just declined. The Troya club was quite good with a good selection of girls.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2960420]Never really concluded this trips report down to Bogota so I'll just end it with final thoughts. I wrote more specific details in my other reports so check those out.

In general:

Club girls in Santa Fe- the girls range from 80-150 depending on what you want. And in general 120 k seems to be the standard at least for me which included BBBJ, DFK (some would do this well and others wouldn't), DATY and multiple positions. Depending on how cute the girl was that might also include CIM but typically add another 20-30 k for that. I tip (that's just me and if they do a good job) so I'm typically walking out after a girl spending $150 k all up with propina. I rarely drink with a girl as I have limited Spanish and what Spanish I do have and understand is difficult to do anything with as the clubs music is extremely loud.

Paisas. F, I can't stand Paisas but there's always 1 girl that I pick from there. In general I find the place underwhelming. It's huge inside and I don't get why they can't fill it up with more girls or better quality girls. The music is insanely loud as well. Having said that I picked up this insanely slim girl that bordered on almost anorexic (thin is my preferred body type and she bordered on almost being too thin but she was too cute and slim to pass up) who was extremely compliant in the room. I forget the price now but since everything hovered around 150 k I believe I took her up for 120 k and tipped her at the end. Every other night I was there Paisas was dead (including Friday and Saturday) with better talent in the other clubs.

Troya. You can't really go wrong in here. Yes, sometimes there might not be one to your liking and you'll end up in another club but if you're here over a few days you'll hook up with a girl from here at least once. Highlight was a cute red headed girl who had a very slim blonde friend. I wanted to bang them both. Not many girls there with red hair so she'the be easy to find. She was great in the room. Really into DFK and was fun, smiling and a bubbly personality in the room which made it even better. So if you see a cute young red headed girl with an equally cute slim blonde friend you can't go wrong.

Antones. I usually find 1 girl in here worth it but this trip it just wasn't happening for me here. But I've mentioned before I usually like to start my night in here and just grab a poker beer for 10 k, sit down and watch the girl on stage touch herself while there's porn playing in the background tv's to just start the night off right. Plus, usually after 1 beer you've seen the full rotation of girls for the next 2-3 hours in there so you know if it's worth coming back into.

Venus. This time I didn't do anyone from Venus. I actually like the place but on the 2 times I poked my head in it was a bit quieter but it's worth a look as some of the girls can be cute and it just has a bit of a raunchy feel to it which I like.

Fiebre. Like troya you usually can't go wrong in fiebre. Often the girls from troya and fiebre switch between clubs depending on how busy each one is. Banged a cute one in here who first asked for 200 k for BBBJ, DFK and CIM. Lmao. I said no and since she quoted so high I said I'll do 80 k. She then started being like "oh cmon papi I make you feel good" then told me 150 k. I said I'll do 100 k and that's the end of it. She then took her tits out and put her nipple against my lips and to be fair they were looking good so I asked if I can cum on her tits and mouth for 120 k and she said yes LOL so up we go. Sorry to the next guy that got the lap dance. Daniella. She was particularly good at reverse cowgirl looking at me while riding in the mirror up against the wall of the room in fiebre.

Texas and California. I get the 2 mixed up. The small place that's on the corner. Small stage. It's worth poking your head in. It seems to mostly have SG quality girls but that means that there's sometimes some random cute ones. On this trip I didn't find any I like. But then the place that's kind of next door to that one I did have a good time. Never been in there before. You walk up some stairs and then lo and behold it's completely different than what you would think from the outside. It's got a huge stage and it's kinda big up there. When I went on what is the Colombia equivalent of Columbus Day most of the clubs were all closed except for this one. 2 slight older girls were up on stage and while not my type they were trying hard and there wasn't much else happening so I got a poker beer for 10 k. Out of nowhere comes this cute little thing and asks if I want a dance. Of course I'll take a dance. It ended up with a 100 k romp in the downstairs rooms where once again I unloaded in a cute girls mouth while her pussy was shoved in my face for 69.

Casas. Tantra spa. Honestly you can't go wrong with this place. I was there almost every day of my 5 day trip. There were usually 8-12 girls. All doable. All body types. All looking in their early 20's. Every girl I was with was compliant and did everything I wanted. The cost for 30 minutes was 50 k and I just did all the extras for an additional 100 k. The girls don't expect a tip as I actually think all the extras cost 80 k and they just say 100 k so that a tip is built in for them. All will let you DFK, DATY and cum on tits or mouth. So just for ease of use it was great. There's a mall nearby (Avenida Chile mall) perfect to freshen back up afterwards in the little small food court area.

Tips:

1) Don't go into the clubs of Santa Fe with large bills. The mesero will literally take forever trying to find you change if you only buy 1 poker beer and pay for it with a 50 k (or worse will just disappear). Head to oxxo, etc and buy something small to get change and plan to pay for drinks with either 10 or 20 k bills.

2) screw the transmillenio unless you take steps to not be a victim of pickpocketing. Despite the few reports of stabbings and / or muggings on here, I have been to Bogota as a solo white male traveller 5 or 6 times now. I have not had a problem however I have had a problem with pickpockets and once again some douche tried to pickpocket me while getting into a crowded bus. Honestly, uber and didi are not that much more than the bus and just easier so I just recommend doing that unless you want to stay as cheap as possible. Just don't have stuff in your pockets. The people that do this often work in groups and they're good.

Restaurant ideas: don't listen to the people that say Bogota doesn't have good food. There's loads of good food. If it's your first time then try a visit to La Perseverancia Market for lunch or a late breakfast. Compania Casa Del Rey is close enough to Santa Fe and has some nice options. Pastelera Florida while not the best is easy and good. Those are 3 places near or around the Hotel Ibis worthwhile to check out. There are loads more. Visit some good coffee places as well.

And yes, I'll be back again for a 7th time (or is it the 6th?? I've lost track).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DidierD;2993560]Yo guys, are SF street prices still the same? 60 k for 15/20 minutes? Haven't been for 18 months I'm back in 6 weeks! After a few private dances in Troya I like a good session.[/QUOTE]More or less. I've been generally quoted between 50 and 80. Lower away from the main area where the clubs are. Higher for the real cuties and on Friday / Saturday evenings. A couple of times even quoted 100 or more, though couldn't tell whether this was for a longer time with a deeper experience or they just didn't like me haha (they said the former, might have meant the latter).

How much are the dances in the clubs? And how does that work? Do you just call a girl over and ask for a dance, or negotiate price etc first (I've seen dances vary from very perfunctory to pretty full on, and for them to hang around a lot after several dances or just do a single song then leave).

I've never had a dance in a club (never seen the point) but would like to try it next time I'm there. Any wisdom from you experienced dance lovers?

From Ibis I always like walking down carrera 7 and then turning the corner at compania casa del ray and walking down Calle 22. I'll grab a coffee next to the coffee / used book shop right next to the cinema if I'm dragging a bit. Not the best coffee but it does the trick. Carrera 7 is usually always busy enough and For most of the walk into SF Calle 22 is quite a well lit street for Bogota standards. I'm usually walking down there before 9 pm and most of the stores are still open along the walk and there's usually a game at the soccer park right before you get to the transmillenio stop which is basically the start of SF so it doesn't feel as deserted as some of the other streets in the evening. I'll usually always get someone right next to there ask me to buy something. Never can figure out wtf it is they're trying to sell me it's like a bag with more plastic bags in it I can't figure it out LOL. Was there about a month ago and had a good time. I've been enjoying the casas more lately. Partly because there's always 1 or 2 thin girls there and thin girls are my thing. On my last trip Fiebre and Troya were the better clubs but it's all dependent on the night. I did feel the clubs were a bit quieter though but having said that I only need 1 or 2 girls and I'm good for the night so it's not like I need to be inundated with stunners. Prices in the club for me were all around 120-150 k depending on what debauchery you want.

Also not wanting to play it down or whatever but honestly I've been here a number of times now and apart from the odd homeless guy asking for something I've never had a problem knock on wood. I've also (thankfully) never been involved with or even seen a stabbing so while I'm not going to say it doesn't happen I can say I've never seen one. For what it's worth in my home city in the states there was a stabbing not too far from me but I don't consider my neighborhood a bad neighborhood and I wouldn't dissuade people from coming to it. Just to put things into perspective. Enjoy the trip.

[QUOTE=Jstir;2993065]I'll be in Bogot starting 3/28. I was there a year ago. As far as night clubs Fiebre was the best has there been any major changes? I love walking Sante Fe too and I had a good path at the time, but does anyone have streets they like to avoid? Let me know and message me if any of you want to go on the hunt. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DidierD;2993561]Good idea to take small bills into the clubs, California club was the worst I'd walk in and within 5 seconds the waiter would bring over a bottle of Corona and charge me 50,000 pesos. I paid it and left immediately I hate shit like that. Some guy on Calle 23 asked me if I wanted anything, I asked how much for weed and he quoted 60,000 but I just declined. The Troya club was quite good with a good selection of girls.[/QUOTE]Why did you pay the 50 k for a corona? That's outrageous in santa fe. Why didn't you just leave? Did you not know the price before you ordered the corona? If you're at a new place, always ask the price before buying something. Don't talk to men that a approach you. In fact don't talk to anyone that approaches you. Thats a good rule to follow. Weed should be 5 k for a joint. Maybe a slightly more.

[QUOTE=ThreesomeLvrr;2993628]More or less. I've been generally quoted between 50 and 80. Lower away from the main area where the clubs are. Higher for the real cuties and on Friday / Saturday evenings. A couple of times even quoted 100 or more, though couldn't tell whether this was for a longer time with a deeper experience or they just didn't like me haha (they said the former, might have meant the latter).

How much are the dances in the clubs? And how does that work? Do you just call a girl over and ask for a dance, or negotiate price etc first (I've seen dances vary from very perfunctory to pretty full on, and for them to hang around a lot after several dances or just do a single song then leave).

I've never had a dance in a club (never seen the point) but would like to try it next time I'm there. Any wisdom from you experienced dance lovers?[/QUOTE]Ah okay man thanks. Yeah when I was there it would range from 50-70 k but I remember the lookers charging higher end. When I was in Troya I had 2 seperate danced for 25,000 and 30,000 and both great value. Ass and tits in my face for the full 7-10 minutes or so. Usually after you have a beer and sit down a girl will approach you, this was like a Wednesday afternoon at 3 pm when it was dead.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2993734]Why did you pay the 50 k for a corona? That's outrageous in santa fe. Why didn't you just leave? Did you not know the price before you ordered the corona? If you're at a new place, always ask the price before buying something. Don't talk to men that a approach you. In fact don't talk to anyone that approaches you. Thats a good rule to follow. Weed should be 5 k for a joint. Maybe a slightly more.[/QUOTE]I had already been to troya which was good where I payed 10,000 for a Poker so the next day the California guys approached me and I was like sure I'll come in and I'the been seated for 30 seconds and this other guy bought me a corona opened and said 50,000. I was like wtf and he said " oh to late I've opened it now" I didn't care I was like whatever here's your 50,000 but you won't be seeing me again and left, I ignored them the rest of my trip.

Thank you, I will defo buy some green next time I'm in SF. Defo won't be paying 50,000 for a joint LOL.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2993544]I was there yesterday.

Name: Spa Chicas.

Hours: 11 am to 9 pm.

Services: 4 women for 2 hours, 340 k.

Chicas: Decent.

Fun place![/QUOTE]How does this work? Like a gang bang at a swingers club with prepagos?

How many guys were there at the same time as you? Any group stuff (MFFF or FMMM?) or just take it in turns with one chica at a time?

[QUOTE=DidierD;2993741]I had already been to troya which was good where I payed 10,000 for a Poker so the next day the California guys approached me and I was like sure I'll come in and I'the been seated for 30 seconds and this other guy bought me a corona opened and said 50,000. I was like wtf and he said " oh to late I've opened it now" I didn't care I was like whatever here's your 50,000 but you won't be seeing me again and left, I ignored them the rest of my trip.

Thank you, I will defo buy some green next time I'm in SF. Defo won't be paying 50,000 for a joint LOL.[/QUOTE]The waiters make their own prices. They make no salary so the tips are their pay. I know that the 50 mil beer trick is a commonly pulled by some. You should always ask how much the beer / drink is when ordering it-- But if you would have said you are only going to pay 25-35 mil you would have only had to pay that-.

So the lesson is to always ask first-- Another lesson is too always have small bills-.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2993933]The waiters make their own prices. They make no salary so the tips are their pay. I know that the 50 mil beer trick is a commonly pulled by some. You should always ask how much the beer / drink is when ordering it-- But if you would have said you are only going to pay 25-35 mil you would have only had to pay that-.

So the lesson is to always ask first-- Another lesson is too always have small bills-.[/QUOTE]I always go up to the bar, try to sit at the bar, and order directly from the bartender. That way no waiter is involved to demand a tip or overcharge. Also, you can see your beer and make sure nobody put a drug in it.

[QUOTE=ThreesomeLvrr;2993793]How does this work? Like a gang bang at a swingers club with prepagos?

How many guys were there at the same time as you? Any group stuff (MFFF or FMMM?) or just take it in turns with one chica at a time?[/QUOTE]I took one at a time.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2993544]I was there yesterday.

Name: Spa Chicas.

Hours: 11 am to 9 pm.

Services: 4 women for 2 hours, 340 k.

Chicas: Decent.

Fun place![/QUOTE]That breaks down to 30 minutes with each chica at 85 k each.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2991056]Please check out the places I went to my last trip and let me know if I missed any clubs or spas.[/QUOTE]Responding to you because you're a legend, Tom.

The information found on this forum for the city of Bogota is poor.

To start, the "Zona de Tolerancia" should be avoided. The club Troya can be relied upon if you have no other options. The experience of visiting the club is bizarre: for a block or two around Troya security guards flank the streets to create a demilitarized zone. Outside of that boundary are hordes of drugged out zombies. Inside the club the atmosphere might be ok, if slow. I did not see Colombian clientele there, only two bewildered Asian tourists. This is a sign you're in the wrong place, we're not in Asia. Where are the young wealthy Colombian men?

Young people partying can be found in the neighborhood Chapinero, at various bars and dance clubs. I'll provide the name of a salsa club that is nearby some action: "Sandunguera The temple of classical salsa". The salsa club is remarkable. Around those streets you'll see young people partying, drinking, and darting in and out of various dance clubs spread out across a few blocks on a Friday or Saturday night. Nearby are at least two of the more popular electronic dance clubs, which I won't name. Upon seeing a colorful brightly lit hallway on those streets I walked in to discover an unnamed brothel full of young hood men drinking with girls -- while I would not recommend that particular establishment, opportunities abound. On other streets barkers will bring you into some of the clubs you've cited, such as "Pussy House".

From the above salsa club you can walk to another nightlife area, Parque de LOS Hippies. Keep an eye out, or even ask people, and you'll discover places.

The prevalence of motels in that region suggests there must be more. Many of the motels do not readily appear on Google Maps as they're explicitly love motels. I suspect there are establishments that are difficult to find. Or perhaps everything has moved online and either nobody knows or nobody is willing to share. From catching a glimpse of the regular nightlife scene, I sense a depth to Bogota.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2993933]I know that the 50 mil beer trick is a commonly pulled by some. You should always ask how much the beer / drink is when ordering it-- But if you would have said you are only going to pay 25-35 mil you would have only had to pay that-.

So the lesson is to always ask first[/QUOTE]I can not believe people are still ordering shit without asking prices. About 20 years ago I was in France with some buddys and we walked into a cabaret. They ordered drinks and I asked for a menu. When I opened the menu I saw that the cheapest thing was water at 35 euro. The drinks my friends had ordered were 40 euro. Nothing for me. Thanks.

Then that scam used to be run in Mexico where you buy the chick a drink and it ends up costing $100. My friend said he did not have enough money so they sent a big dude to the ATM with him to make sure he came back with the cash.

I guess I have never been rich enough to willy nilly order shit without first knowing the price.

To be fair the trick is not that a price wasn't asked it's that despite asking for a poker you are bought a corona. Had the same thing happen to me. Music is stupidly loud in paisas. I walk in I tell the guy I want a poker, he walks away, comes back over holding a corona thinking that must be for someone else but then he walks towards me and I say no while seated and use the no hand gesture of shaking it and bam, he pops open the lid with the bottle opened attached to his belt. 50 k thanks. I too was pissed and I said in the best Spanish I could muster that I did not want a corona I want a poker and he says sorry it's open now pay. Two choices. Don't pay and cause a problem which not really looking to do over 40 k despite it pissing me off and I sometimes find a skinny young thing in there that I don't want to be barred from there or something or just pay it but make it known that I'm not getting a drink from him again or staying in the club. Anyways, I get the impression that corona is considered premium in Colombia despite it tasting like a weak, diluted urinal bath so if you see a mesero walk over with a corona shut that sh*t down immediately.

The trick that pisses me off more though is the not bring change back when ordering a poker which is 10 k and handing the guy a 20 k. I typically tip and 90% of the time the guy either has change on him or returns with change and I tip 2-4 k a drink. Pisses me off though when they pretend to be back for change and never return. That's the time I usually say something. It's why I also put in each of my posts to never order solo drinks with anything larger than a 20 because that crap sends them into a mindblown moment and I don't get it but they literally cannot ever find change.

But yes, if it's not a poker you're ordering ask how much for everything. Poker is the only thing that seems to be a consistent 10 k in every club in SF. Water varies from 10-15 k and I think Gatorade was the same but it's been a while since I ordered it. Also as Mr E said, always ask how much the girls drink is if you're buying and don't be shy to ask. I rarely buy girls drinks as I would rather use those funds to bang upstairs but to each their own.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2994043]I can not believe people are still ordering shit without asking prices. About 20 years ago I was in France with some buddys and we walked into a cabaret. They ordered drinks and I asked for a menu. When I opened the menu I saw that the cheapest thing was water at 35 euro. The drinks my friends had ordered were 40 euro. Nothing for me. Thanks.

Then that scam used to be run in Mexico where you buy the chick a drink and it ends up costing $100. My friend said he did not have enough money so they sent a big dude to the ATM with him to make sure he came back with the cash.

I guess I have never been rich enough to willy nilly order shit without first knowing the price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2993948]I always go up to the bar, try to sit at the bar, and order directly from the bartender. That way no waiter is involved to demand a tip or overcharge. Also, you can see your beer and make sure nobody put a drug in it.[/QUOTE]Generally the price that they tell you has their tip-- Poker, water and other standard beers are 10 mil which has the tip-- I think the small Coronas are usually 25 mil-- the bigger ones more-- you can negotiate with the waiter.

Thr Bar will charge you the price with tip built in too-.

Each to their own but in SF I've had some great 50-70 k bangs and had some gems in the clubs. When you go to a normal bar / club as a gringo you're always at risk of being scoped. As I said each to their own but I think SF is worth a visit at least once.

[QUOTE=Montt;2994034]Responding to you because you're a legend, Tom.

The information found on this forum for the city of Bogota is poor.

To start, the "Zona de Tolerancia" should be avoided. The club Troya can be relied upon if you have no other options. The experience of visiting the club is bizarre: for a block or two around Troya security guards flank the streets to create a demilitarized zone. Outside of that boundary are hordes of drugged out zombies. Inside the club the atmosphere might be ok, if slow. I did not see Colombian clientele there, only two bewildered Asian tourists. This is a sign you're in the wrong place, we're not in Asia. Where are the young wealthy Colombian men?

Young people partying can be found in the neighborhood Chapinero, at various bars and dance clubs. I'll provide the name of a salsa club that is nearby some action: "Sandunguera The temple of classical salsa". The salsa club is remarkable. Around those streets you'll see young people partying, drinking, and darting in and out of various dance clubs spread out across a few blocks on a Friday or Saturday night. Nearby are at least two of the more popular electronic dance clubs, which I won't name. Upon seeing a colorful brightly lit hallway on those streets I walked in to discover an unnamed brothel full of young hood men drinking with girls -- while I would not recommend that particular establishment, opportunities abound. On other streets barkers will bring you into some of the clubs you've cited, such as "Pussy House".

From the above salsa club you can walk to another nightlife area, Parque de LOS Hippies. Keep an eye out, or even ask people, and you'll discover places.

The prevalence of motels in that region suggests there must be more. Many of the motels do not readily appear on Google Maps as they're explicitly love motels. I suspect there are establishments that are difficult to find. Or perhaps everything has moved online and either nobody knows or nobody is willing to share. From catching a glimpse of the regular nightlife scene, I sense a depth to Bogota.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Montt;2994034]Responding to you because you're a legend, Tom.

The information found on this forum for the city of Bogota is poor.

To start, the "Zona de Tolerancia" should be avoided.
[/QUOTE]Santa fe seems to be a big draw for many people. Each person will have to weigh their own tolerance for danger. I agree it is more dangerous than other parts of Bogota.

[QUOTE=Montt;2994034]
The club Troya can be relied upon if you have no other options. The experience of visiting the club is bizarre: for a block or two around Troya security guards flank the streets to create a demilitarized zone. Outside of that boundary are hordes of drugged out zombies. Inside the club the atmosphere might be ok, if slow. I did not see Colombian clientele there, only two bewildered Asian tourists. This is a sign you're in the wrong place, we're not in Asia. Where are the young wealthy Colombian men?

[/QUOTE]By security guards, you mean police. And they are not always around. They tend to be there during the busier times like Friday and Saturday nights though. Don't depend on them saving your ass though if you get yourself in trouble. There is no real boundary. The hoards of drugged out zombies are everywhere. If you only saw asians and no colombians then you were in Troya at the wrong time. It doesn't start to get going until later. I would say the wealthy young colombian men don't end up at troya. Troya can be fun but its not particularly high class. This is santa fe after all.

Hello guys,

I've been here in Bogota for a while now for non-mongering reasons. I've been so bored here that I want that to try mongering here. I've only done it back in the US. Any recommendations for the north side of usaquen? Also, anyone interested in grabbing a beer or something? Been hard making friends with locals, since my spanish is ass. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=JacobForever;2994234]Hello guys,

I've been here in Bogota for a while now for non-mongering reasons. I've been so bored here that I want that to try mongering here. I've only done it back in the US. Any recommendations for the north side of usaquen? Also, anyone interested in grabbing a beer or something? Been hard making friends with locals, since my spanish is ass. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if this is still there but probably is -- usually at least 2 shops on 2nd floor (see photo) -- I heard there is another place near there--other members should have details-- I never go up there anymore because I live close to Santa Fe.

Hello everyone,

I visited Bogot in early March 2025, and I'the like to share my experience.

I'm 46 years old, from the USA, and have traveled all over the worldbut this was my first time in Colombia.

I stayed at an Airbnb called Colonia Suites, located at Calle 22 / Carrera 7, right on the main street in El Centro. It was a very nice and convenient place to stay.

Arrival & Airport Taxi Experience /.

I landed in Bogot around 9:00 PM. After a long wait at passport control, I finally got out about an hour later. Before arriving, I had watched some YouTube videos suggesting travelers take a "white cab" from the airport. But when I looked around, I couldn't find anything whitejust the regular yellow cabs.

I checked Uber and saw an estimate of 30,000 COP. The yellow taxi line quoted about 25,000 COP. I figured worst case, I'the end up paying around 40,00050,000 COP.

As soon as I got in the cab, the driver started chatting: "Is this your first time here?" etc. That raised a red flag for meI started sensing a potential scam. With my very limited Spanish, I tried to act like I had been to Colombia many times before.

When we arrived at my Airbnb, I handed him a 100,000 COP bill. I hadn't seen a taxi meter during the ride, and honestly, I was tired and forgot to ask about the total upfront. That was my mistake.

Then he told me, "You have to give me three more. " I was confused. He pointed to the meter, which now showed "435. " That's when it hit mehe was trying to say I owed 435,000 COP (around $100 USD)!

I immediately said, "F** you. "* Took back my 100,000 COP and told him to call the police.

Then he touched the meter, and the number dropped to 89,000 COP. At that point, I knew the meter had been rigged. (Later I learned that Bogot taxi meters start with a number, and when the ride ends, they press a button to show the final farebut in this case, he was clearly overcharging me.).

I gave him 50,000 COP, told him "That's it. Take it or call the police. " he took the money, and I walked away.

Exploring Santa Fe in Bogot My First Night Out /.

After checking into my Airbnb, I changed clothes and decided to head outit was around 11 PM. My place was about six blocks from Santa Fe, a neighborhood every blog and video warned about for being unsafe, especially at night. I get it. Santa Fe is known as Bogot's red-light district. But I've been to red-light areas all over the world, so curiosity got the best of me.

I started walking from Calle 22. The streets were dirty and mostly empty, but nothing too alarming. Once I entered Santa Fe, thoughwow. It felt like I had stepped into a completely different world. The vibe changed instantly. There were people everywheremen, women, even kids just hanging around. Despite what you might expect, there was definitely a sense of life there.

Before heading out, I studied the area using Google Street View. I memorized the streets ahead of time so I wouldn't have to pull out my iPhonedidn't want to risk it flashing in the wrong place.

That first night, I didn't try to explore too much. I just entered Santa Fe and headed toward the street with clubs. I spotted a place called Troya Club and walked in. I ordered a Corona for 30,000 COP, grabbed a table, and started checking out the scene.

There were plenty of girls inside, but no one approached me. I wasn't sure how things worked there, so after about 45 minutes, I decided to check out other clubs.

Next, I visited a place called Paisas, but it was completely empty. I stood outside for a bit, thinking about what to do next. Then I noticed another spot nearby called Fiebre. I went in, grabbed another Corona, and chilled for a bit. Same thingno one approached me. So I waved at a girl and said Hi. Using my phone translator, I asked if she do lap dances. She said yesthree dances for 80,000 COP. Deal.

We went to the VIP area and I got my dances. After that, I got more confident. I started asking other girls directly two dances for 50,000 COP. I probably ended up getting around 3040 lap dances in total. At about $6 per song, it felt like a bargain compared to the $50-per-song I've paid in Denver.

Some girls offered "extra fun," but I was tired and called it a night around 3 AM.

The Walk Back Risky but Quiet.

There were a few taxis around, but I made the (probably dumb) decision to walk back. I took Calle 24 and, interestingly enough, didn't see a single person the entire walk. Made it back safely to my Airbnb.

I'll be honestI love walking empty city streets late at night. There's something peaceful about it. But I don't recommend doing that in Bogot. I got lucky.

I have dark hair, dress simply, and apparently look a little bit local. I also walk with a lot of confidence, which might've helped me avoid trouble. I've traveled all over the world and haven't really had any problems. Stillalways be smart, stay alert, and trust your instincts. I always do my research before I go anywhere or start walking around.

Day 2 Back in Santa Fe /.

I headed back to Santa Fe around 5 PM. This time, I felt like a pro. I explored morechecked every street and corner to get a better sense of the area. There were plenty of options, but I wasn't sure who to approach. I was almost ready to head back to my Airbnb when I spotted a girl who looked like my type walking down the street. I tried to follow her, but lost her in the crowd.

As I started walking back, I saw her againturns out she was playing a game on her phone. I asked her the deal, and she said 70,000 COP. I agreed. I also paid 20,000 COP for a room, which wasn't anything special. We started, but she kept playing the game on her phone the entire time. Totally killed the vibe. I couldn't even finish.

I asked if she'the give me a BJ for another 30,000 COP, and that wrapped it up. Not a great experience, but heyexperience is experience. I walked back to my Airbnb.

Second Night Late-Night Santa Fe /.

That night, I went back to Santa Fe around 11 PM and headed straight to Fiebre. By now, the staff recognized me. I had tipped well the previous night, so this time, offering 3 dances for 50,000 COPand everyone accepted. I realized I had overpaid on my first night. 😄 Still a gringo price, but no complaints. $4 / dance.

I got around 4050 lap dances, tried most of the girls working that night. Eventually, I found one I was really into. She quoted 180,000 COP, and we had a good time. Nothing too crazy, but solid overall.

This time, I left around 2 AM and took a taxi backpaid 20,000 COP. I played it safer and avoided walking alone at night.

Next Stop: Europe.

The next morning, I flew to Spain for a 6-day trip through Spain, Germany (FFK's), Hungary, and Czechia. After that, I'll be heading back to Medelland.

Check out the Medelland forum for more updates on that part of the trip!

Hello. I have a trip to BOG coming up, April end. Staying at Residence Inn and prefer going to bars / clubs to pickup ladies - P4P. Can someone recommend any pickup bars or restaurants in the Chapinero, Zona T areas please? Appreciate your help.

[QUOTE=Travelw;2994368]I checked Uber and saw an estimate of 30,000 COP. The yellow taxi line quoted about 25,000 COP. I figured worst case, I'the end up paying around 40,00050,000 COP.[/QUOTE]You should have checked Indrive. I usually pay about 14,000 for that trip. 18,000 absolute max.

RTFF and internet search led me to below establishments. Are these any good for picking up ladies (P4 P)?

1. Theatron, CL. 58.

2. Video Club, CL. 64.

3. El mono bandido, Zona T.

4. Gringo Tueadays Zona T.

5. El Irish pub.

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994412]Hello. I have a trip to BOG coming up, April end. Staying at Residence Inn and prefer going to bars / clubs to pickup ladies - P4P. Can someone recommend any pickup bars or restaurants in the Chapinero, Zona T areas please? Appreciate your help.[/QUOTE]

Guys where's the best place to buy weed in Santa Fe? And how much should I be paying? Last time in California club it was 50 k for a fat joint. I defo overpaid but it was late and I didn't care.

I read on an old post that some guy bought a small bag of coke for 5 k in one of the small convenience stands LOL.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994486]RTFF and internet search led me to below establishments. Are these any good for picking up ladies (P4 P)?

1. Theatron, CL. 58.

2. Video Club, CL. 64.

3. El mono bandido, Zona T.

4. Gringo Tueadays Zona T.

5. El Irish pub.[/QUOTE]

Probably not. I don't know what forum you are reading that suggested to you that those are good places for p4 p pickups. If you prefer bars or clubs and want p4p, I recommend you find a hooker and go to a bar or club with her. Going to a bar or club looking for a hooker is just going to lead to dissapointment.

I believe I read somewhere on here about pickup in the Chapinero area + Google search for pickup bars in Bogota.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2994530]Probably not. I don't know what forum you are reading that suggested to you that those are good places for p4 p pickups. If you prefer bars or clubs and want p4p, I recommend you find a hooker and go to a bar or club with her. Going to a bar or club looking for a hooker is just going to lead to dissapointment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2994340]I'm not sure if this is still there but probably is -- usually at least 2 shops on 2nd floor (see photo) -- I heard there is another place near there--other members should have details-- I never go up there anymore because I live close to Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]The back of the building has very narrow rooms with massage tables. If you are slim it's possible to have sex with the girl on the table if you are standing. If you have a pot belly it would be hard to fit in the narrow room with a girl.

I had a good session there with a girl who agreed to bareback, with an upcharge.

The girls in the first rooms, as you walk by, holler the loudest and try to get you into their rooms first. Sometimes the girls at the end of the balcony runway are the more desperate and shy and will agree to anything.

[QUOTE=JacobForever;2994234]Hello guys,

I've been here in Bogota for a while now for non-mongering reasons. I've been so bored here that I want that to try mongering here. I've only done it back in the US. Any recommendations for the north side of usaquen? Also, anyone interested in grabbing a beer or something? Been hard making friends with locals, since my spanish is ass. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Hey man, I'm also in Bogota, fancy hitting SF bars sometime? Drop me a DM I tried to send to you but couldn't.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994524]Guys where's the best place to buy weed in Santa Fe? And how much should I be paying? Last time in California club it was 50 k for a fat joint. I defo overpaid but it was late and I didn't care.

I read on an old post that some guy bought a small bag of coke for 5 k in one of the small convenience stands LOL.[/QUOTE]From my experiences, California Club was the worst bar to get a beer; they tried to overcharge me the most. Now I see they overcharge (probably the most) on a joint. The joint from the Santa Fe street, if you are a local, will be 5 K. That is poor quality. The better weed will be around 25 K for a gram; even this quality is inferior compared to the weed from California.

It was 5 K for a quarter gram bag of coke in Santa Fe several years ago. In Medellin several years ago, it was 15 K for a gram at the drive-up street. The taxi driver would have sold you a bag for 20 K.

I believe there is a gang that controls the drug sales in Santa Fe. There is at least 2 street corners where you can purchase. You can also purchase in probably all the clubs; I think they add about a 20% surcharge for a local. As a tourist, the price will probably be a lot higher.

The quality from the streets of Zona T was poor. They still cut it. For the street people, a few dollars is still good money.

One way to get it will be via the girls. Problem is that most of the girls will still rip you off, even if you are a regular. Most of the girls have no sense of the repeat business concept.

WARNINGS: Try not to have more than 1 gram. Drugs are not illegal, but it is prohibited. If you have more than 1 gram, they can potentially charge you with selling. That's years in jail. Always have enough money for a bribe. Most cops don't care about weed, but a gringo with weed might be a dollar sign. Possession of coke can land you in jail overnight.

Remember, in Colombia, there are no constitutional rights. If you look suspicious, they will search you. They always search the young people, especially if they dress in potential gang attire. But I've never seen cops search older men in sports jackets.

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994486]RTFF and internet search led me to below establishments. Are these any good for picking up ladies (P4 P)?

1. Theatron, CL. 58.

2. Video Club, CL. 64.

3. El mono bandido, Zona T.

4. Gringo Tueadays Zona T.

5. El Irish pub.[/QUOTE]You probably read that it was a good place to pick up girls. But it is not P2P. But of course, from what I read, girls can ask for gifts/money afterwards.

El Mono Bandido is a hip bar in Zona T. There are lines during the weekend. Even though there is a bar, it is more of a table service, where groups of friends are at a table. I've never fully examined the pick-up scene there, but I guess if you have game.

Gringo Tuesdays is a night at a club in Zona T that caters to English. People will start there early, in order to practice English. Later on, a line forms, and they charge a cover. I'm guessing this might be the best place to pick up a girl, since many girls there want to learn English and meet gringos.

El Irish Pub is a chain. The one in Zona T is definitely not a pick-up bar. But, at the small bar, it probably is the best place to meet English speaking people (either tourist / ex-pats or educated locals). The other place to meet gringos will be at Hooters during an American football game.

Thank you for correcting and saving me some disappointment.

Are there any places to try for pickup at all? Or it does not work this way in BOG? Is it all strip clubs, Casas, massage parlors and prepagos only?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2994584]You probably read that it was a good place to pick up girls. But it is not P2P. But of course, from what I read, girls can ask for gifts/money afterwards......[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994593]Thank you for correcting and saving me some disappointment.

Are there any places to try for pickup at all? Or it does not work this way in BOG? Is it all strip clubs, Casas, massage parlors and prepagos only?[/QUOTE]Pick-up? Most / all of the girls at the strip joints in Santa Fe are freelancers. You have to "pick them up". They are allowed to enter and leave anytime.

Are you asking if there are any bars like the old Gullivers (in Bangkok Khoa Sanh Road) or the old Dolphin / Utopia (in Sihanoukville, Cambodia)? Where there was a mixture of backpackers, tourists, and working girls.

I don't think so. But not positive. I like those type of bars.

In Medellin Poblado, you have at least couple of bars / clubs that has tourist and working girls. But I don't think there are normal girls there; except maybe guys that bring their dates. I don't think there is any bar like Gusto in Bogota.

Thanks. Gulliver or the likes of Red Sky, Premiere etc in Dubai or the casinos of Panama where one can find well dressed & groomed working girls. Especially ones who have not already had few dicks in them that day. One can check them out / discuss price and expectations / scope the chica before one decides.

My understanding was that SF bars are more like the go-go bars. There is a show and one picks one of the chicas that one fancies and go in the room upstairs / at the back to do their business. The girl is back on the hamster wheel looking for her next trick. Perhaps I am mistaken?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2994595]Pick-up? Most / all of the girls at the strip joints in Santa Fe are freelancers. You have to "pick them up". They are allowed to enter and leave anytime...........But I don't think there are normal girls there; except maybe guys that bring their dates. I don't think there is any bar like Gusto in Bogota.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994618]Thanks. Gulliver or the likes of Red Sky, Premiere etc in Dubai or the casinos of Panama where one can find well dressed & groomed working girls. Especially ones who have not already had few dicks in them that day. One can check them out / discuss price and expectations / scope the chica before one decides.

My understanding was that SF bars are more like the go-go bars. There is a show and one picks one of the chicas that one fancies and go in the room upstairs / at the back to do their business. The girl is back on the hamster wheel looking for her next trick. Perhaps I am mistaken?[/QUOTE]

In the strip joints of Santa Fe, you have 1 stage, where there is usually 1 or 2 girls dancing. Then there are numerous girls walking around or sitting on the chairs looking to go upstairs or give lap dances. You can also talk to them.

It seems you are looking for something like Gusto that is located in Poblado, Medellin. I don't think there is anything like that in Bogota. If anyone knows, please enlighten us.

The girls are better dressed in the high priced northern clubs (around Zona T). But it's still a strip joint / hostess bar; doesn't seem that's what you want.

Thank you for helping me understand this. Appreciate it mate.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2994628]In the strip joints of Santa Fe, you have 1 stage, where there is usually 1 or 2 girls dancing......The girls are better dressed in the high priced northern clubs (around Zona T). But it's still a strip joint / hostess bar; doesn't seem that's what you want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994618]Gulliver or the likes of Red Sky, Premiere etc in Dubai or the casinos of Panama where one can find well dressed & groomed working girls. Especially ones who have not already had few dicks in them that day.[/QUOTE]LOL. They are hookers. Their job is to get dicks in them. That is literally how they make theiir living. To think that a prostitute is just waiting for 1 special dick per day is absolutely gullible.

If you made a living selling hamburgers, would you walk outside everyday with the intention of selling only 1 hamburger? Did Steve Jobs start building computers with the intention of only selling 1 computer? Well these hoes are not dressing up and going through all this shit with the intention of only selling pussy to 1 dick.

Hahaha, ofcourse they are hookers. It is just my preference for an experience where it does not feel like a go-go bar. Not being facetious, go-go bars are fun too. I guess different waves float different boats.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2994653]LOL. They are hookers. Their job is to get dicks in them. That is literally how they make theiir living. To think that a prostitute is just waiting for 1 special dick per day is absolutely gullible.......Well these hoes are not dressing up and going through all this shit with the intention of only selling pussy to 1 dick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994524]Guys where's the best place to buy weed in Santa Fe? And how much should I be paying? Last time in California club it was 50 k for a fat joint. I defo overpaid but it was late and I didn't care.

I read on an old post that some guy bought a small bag of coke for 5 k in one of the small convenience stands LOL.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]My experience is the quality that is available is not great-- I do get high quality (see photo) like in LA or other US cities and the cost is about $8-$9 a gram-- Nice and Skunky.

White is not really not so great in Santa Fe either-- I do know someone for pure stuff but I don't know exactly how much as I don't do it.

2 c in SF has alot of that animal trank (I forget the chemical name) and really makes you just want to sit-- I know someone for the good stuff and x too-- It usually takes me 24 hours+ or so to get white and other powders as I don't do that stuff.

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994412]Hello. I have a trip to BOG coming up, April end. Staying at Residence Inn and prefer going to bars / clubs to pickup ladies - P4P. Can someone recommend any pickup bars or restaurants in the Chapinero, Zona T areas please? Appreciate your help.[/QUOTE]This is a question I wished I knew the answer to as well.

Probably the closest thing you'll find to what your looking for might be Lido on carrera 14. It's a club. Music is not crazy loud so you can have a conversation. Drinks are expensive (think 50 k+ for a beer). The girls here are as attractive as they come in Bogota. You can chat with whoever you fancy and see if there is chemistry. The last time I went, there were 15+ girls. The girl I chatted with quoted me 200 USD. I did not partake as I would only pay that much for a girl I really had chemistry with. Also, I believe there is an exit fee.

There's another place in Zona T. The name escapes me currently. It might have been Olimpo?

Good luck and report back if you find a place that ticks your boxes.

Cheers mate. Will do. US $200 seems very steep for BOG.

I ain't expecting a Scandello in Bogota but maybe atleast a Cafe Foto equivalent would had been great.

[QUOTE=ChanceSome;2995061]This is a question I wished I knew the answer to as well.

Probably the closest thing you'll find to what your looking for might be Lido on carrera 14. It's a club.....There's another place in Zona T. The name escapes me currently. It might have been Olimpo?

Good luck and report back if you find a place that ticks your boxes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994542]I believe I read somewhere on here about pickup in the Chapinero area + Google search for pickup bars in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Better to use LA Celestina or SA unless you are an adonis like Kazu. In Medellin things are a bit easier. Still high-end clubs are not for cheap non-Spanish speaking tourists. Education is however not a complete waste of time. I should know.

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994542]I believe I read somewhere on here about pickup in the Chapinero area + Google search for pickup bars in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Better to use LA Celestina or SA

Fellas Ima Santa Fe fiend, in 2024 I went 5 times. I've been looking at the 2025 youtube vids and it seems like there are less women standing outside. Granted, I know that Youtube videos won't tell the whole story. But part of what I love is the sheer selection of women available to choose from.

What clubs will be closed for Easter week and weekend? I know good Friday everything is closed. Do the Santa Fe girls take the whole week off before Easter and go home?

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2994618]Thanks. Gulliver or the likes of Red Sky, Premiere etc in Dubai or the casinos of Panama where one can find well dressed & groomed working girls. Especially ones who have not already had few dicks in them that day. One can check them out / discuss price and expectations / scope the chica before one decides.

My understanding was that SF bars are more like the go-go bars. There is a show and one picks one of the chicas that one fancies and go in the room upstairs / at the back to do their business. The girl is back on the hamster wheel looking for her next trick. Perhaps I am mistaken?[/QUOTE]You are not mistaken but many girls in the SF clubs do not fuck as much as one might think. Some makes more money with lap dances than going upstairs. That means that You might be well surprised by the appetite They can have for a well endowed dick sometimes, far more than girls who get shagged 15 Times a day.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2995271]What clubs will be closed for Easter week and weekend? I know good Friday everything is closed. Do the Santa Fe girls take the whole week off before Easter and go home?[/QUOTE]It's been my experience Semana Santa is never a good time for our hobby. Most are at the beach or with family from Thursday to Sunday. I think the week after is best when they have spent all their money.

I've been back for about 1 1/2 weeks as of today from my most recent trip to Bogota. This was my 4th trip to Bogota since my first trip in Sep 2023. This trip like my previous one I again decided to stay at Hotel San Francisco since it was close to the action. This would be my longer trip to Bogota having arrived March 1st and left on March 30th. I'm a working man so I was working my job from my hotel room during the daytime except for my 2nd week when I too pto the entire week so I mostly walked over to the Santa Fe area in the evenings after my work was done. During my stay I mostly hit up Troya, Friebre, and I checked out both Paisas and Venus once. Other than the clubs I saw a lot of freelances in the area especially my regular who I saw a lot LOL sometimes after first having a lackluster experience with a newbie.

Troya is mostly the same as usual. I still find the dj there can talk a bit too much for my liking. Just play the must so I can get some lap dances and feel up some women.

Friebre was the same as usual at first. However, one weekend night that bald headed, older, mesero was bugging people including me as we went up to the second level to get lapdances about also buying beers too. I thought it was just him trying to scam guys (he was doing it to the locals too). However, on a subsequent night when I was there I heard from one of the girls that they apparently have some new thing where when you go up there to get dances you have to buy the girl a drink too. The night I was told this the entire upstairs was empty as everyone was just getting dances in the regular area which really does suck. Needless to say this made me stick to Troya the remainder of this trip.

Paisa only dropped in once. There was only a few girls there. There were two who were to my liking one a morena and the other a short stacked little chica, but they were occupied. Hung around for a bit to see if I could eventually catch them, but eventually gave up. Didn't return a second time this trip.

Venus again only dropped in once. Only really liked one girl there, but she was occupied so ended up leaving after giving up on catching her and didn't return this trip.

At Troya and Friebre lapdances were mostly pretty standard at $50. I did have a few chicas (like 3-4 this entire trip) try and throw out some BS amount above $50 for a lapdance which I turned down. Needless to say this wasn't my first rodeo so those who did that I just didn't get a dance from. Ironically it was never the chicas who were baddies doing this but the ones who weren't even getting any play from guys, but perhaps that's why LOL. It was always funny when they subsequently saw me getting lots of dances from other girls, but they decided to play stupid games and got no prize that night or any other night I visited the club.

Just a funny incident at Troya one night I was getting a dance from this enhanced baddie. She was facing away from me shacking that big ass in my face. All of a sudden she jumps down that one little set of stairs, bolts across the stage and snatches this guy cell phone out of his hand. He must have been trying to take a picture of her why she was dancing for me and she was on him like a hawk. A mesero came and they looked at the phone and I guess deleted the pic (s) out before giving the phone back to the guy. I was actually surprised they didn't even kick him out. Just goes to show these girls are very perceptive of what's going on at all times LOL.

Overall this was a good trip and hopefully I'll be able to squeeze in another trip in Nov / Dec.

$50 for a dance? Am I missing something or has inflation / tariffs really screwed things up?

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2995981]I've been back for about 1 1/2 weeks as of today from my most recent trip to Bogota..... At Troya and Friebre lapdances were mostly pretty standard at $50. I did have a few chicas (like 3-4 this entire trip) try and throw out some BS amount above $50 for a lapdance which I turned down. Needless to say this wasn't my first rodeo so those who did that I just didn't get a dance from.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2995741]It's been my experience Semana Santa is never a good time for our hobby. Most are at the beach or with family from Thursday to Sunday. I think the week after is best when they have spent all their money.[/QUOTE]Semana Santa is Christmas week in Spanish. Semana Pascual is Easter, I think?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2996018]Semana Santa is Christmas week in Spanish. Semana Pascual is Easter, I think?[/QUOTE]Semana santa means easter but in Colombia holidays are Thursday 17 and Friday 18. Students (and teachers) get the whole week off though.

Pascua is the last Sunday of the week (Sunday April 20).

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2996017]$50 for a dance? Am I missing something or has inflation / tariffs really screwed things up?[/QUOTE]What the hell happened? They were just 10,000 pesos.

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2996017]$50 for a dance? Am I missing something or has inflation / tariffs really screwed things up?[/QUOTE]They hit TigerBoy with the Gringo Tax, Excise Tax, County Tax, State Tax, Federal Tax, Sales Tax, Income Tax, Administrative Fee, Processing Fee plus Shipping and Handling.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2995094]Better to use LA Celestina or SA[/QUOTE]Hey mate, it's been about 3 years since I last saw you in Medellin, hope all is good and when your back in Medellin give me a ring or contact through our common Paisa friend.

Godspeed!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2996228]What the hell happened? They were just 10,000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Me thinks it was 50 K.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2996228]What the hell happened? They were just 10,000 pesos.[/QUOTE]I don't get a lot of lapdances but I do go a lot and hear the prices a lot-- Usually the lower end is 30 mil to 50 mil-- of course many girls highball and will say 70-100 mil but usually can be negotiated with-- They do have some specials whit 2-3 girls for 10-20 mil+ but those are usually pretty lame.

I like to get lapdance sometimes but I want hardcore lapdance where I can really feel a girl up well and play doctor--LOL -- Some girls do those but some are really touchy about what you can do and really kill the mood.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2992253]Years ago here there was a report on Viviana Santamaria's "swinger club". They've moved a few times from the location in that original report and she's currently at Carrera 30 opposite the TM 7 Agosto stop. This is by far my favorite place currently. You can go there for just an anonymous gang bang night, or spend a few hours with the girls and / or couples in the jacuzzi and get to know them. I find the later leads to a much better experience, and I've become friendly with a few of the girls there. Admission varies depending on the event but never exceeds 100 k, less if you come as a couple. Bar is reasonably priced, though a limited selection, and I can spend an entire evening there very happily and still have change from 200 k. (Though if you intend to return do tip the girls: they will remember you). She has a Whatsapp group on 304 371 1162 with the events, and a barely used Telegram group on 321 363 7536 which seems to get used mostly when she gets kicked off Whatsapp.

Maybe not for everyone, but I like it.[/QUOTE]Sounds like fun! How often do they do these events?

How do you get added to the Whatsapp group for the event info? Just message her at that number and she'll add?

I have experience (last year and this year) with a few good casas / spas that don't appear to be on your list yet. I wrote reports for a few of them, and plan to write more when I get the time.

XX in Usaquen / North Bogota XX.

One Relax Center (upscale spa. Report: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2877191#post2877191[/URL] .) -- CL. 129 a #45-06,2nd floor.

Mezzanine (Spa Piel Canela in the front, and the other smaller places in the back. If you visit one of the back rooms and meet the mama-san who runs it, tell her that "El Gringo Guapo" recommended it) -- Cra. 15 #104-03,2nd floor all around.

Local 14 (small place right across the street from the Mezzanine) -- Cra. 15 #104-76,1st floor, door 14.

Mezzanine North (another spa run by the same owner of one of the Mezzanine spots. If you visit here and meet the mama-san, tell her that "El Gringo Guapo" recommended it) -- CL. 112 #15-7, 2nd floor, door 202.

Spa Piel de Miel (upscale spa) -- Cra. 15 #116-59,2nd floor.

XX in Chapinero XX.

Rosquillas 64 (lots of chicas. Report: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2883128#post2883128[/URL] .) -- CL. 64 #15-30.

Bar 64 (on the same street as Rosquillas, about a block away) -- CL. 64 #14-66.

Angelitas (on the same street as Rosquillas, a few doors down) -- CL. 64 #15-16.

Palma Real (green casa with a white door) -- Cra. 15 #66-17.

Tantra Spa (lots of chicas) -- Cra. 20 a #72-30.

I hope this helps out your list, and helps anyone who checks these places out with a good time!

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2991056]Please check out the places I went to my last trip and let me know if I missed any clubs or spas.

Clubs in the Zona de Tolerancia:

Club: Fiebre.

Club: Atonis.

Club: Troya.

Club: Paisias.

Club: Venus.

Club: Texas.

Club: Loto.

The next 7 clubs were scattered throughout the city. Many of them were located in Chapinero.

Club: Forty Nine.

Club: Bar Coche.

Club: Pussy House.

Club: Divas VIP.

Club: Whiskeria Show Linares.

Club: Lido.

Club: Lancaster Paris.

Club: Tantras.

Spas: Tantra.

Also, I conducted more research and I found a few more places:

Sanram club.

Sensual club.

Sixty nine bar.

Fercho's VIP.

Tronos.

California Club.

Mora Mora.

Bahia Safary.

Happy Night.

Linares Punto 48.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with any of the above places?

Thanks everyone for their help and inputs![/QUOTE]

Very pleased to be back in Bogota for business but I wasn't sure how much time I would have for play. When I was last here in 2018 I loved Pussy House, a crowded club where so many beautiful girls were milling about and you could talk to them and take them out without having to buy them drinks all the time. I liked it much better than the SF clubs like Troya. Now I hear Pussy House has moved and become more of a traditional strip club like the SF clubs, and that Forty Nine has closed, too.

I had a free afternoon and went to Tantra Spa, easy with the directions and description from previous reports (thanks, guys! There were 10-15 girls, but unfortunately only 1 appealed to me (my type is petite, slim, and young), didn't catch her name as I only speak English. The room, though, was terrible. Tiny and uncomfortable. Her service was okay, although a bit rushed. She had nice tits with nipple studs and liked to have her tits massaged hard. DFK was frantic instead of sensual and BBBJ was only average. I opted for CIM finish but she didn't keep me in her mouth very long. Pricing as per other reports, 60 mille /30 min, 110/60, and 100 to the girl for the extras. It was okay but I wouldn't go back.

It looks like I have a free Saturday evening to play. Any other clubs that are more like what Pussy House used to be? I don't really want to go to the SF clubs, unless there aren't any other options. Thanks!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2996228]What the hell happened? They were just 10,000 pesos.[/QUOTE]At atonis they were 10 k way back in 2021. I don't think they were ever 10 k at any other bar. And of course the girls sometimes charge what they want. Inflation has struck Santa fe! Guys these days are paying what it costs to get laid back in 2021 for a lap dance. Nothing in this game ever gets better. It only gets worse. Service gets worse and prices never go down

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2996683]Very pleased to be back in Bogota for business but I wasn't sure how much time I would have for play. When I was last here in 2018 I loved Pussy House, a crowded club where so many beautiful girls were milling about and you could talk to them and take them out without having to buy them drinks all the time. I liked it much better than the SF clubs like Troya. Now I hear Pussy House has moved and become more of a traditional strip club like the SF clubs, and that Forty Nine has closed, too.

I had a free afternoon and went to Tantra Spa, easy with the directions and description from previous reports (thanks, guys! There were 10-15 girls, but unfortunately only 1 appealed to me (my type is petite, slim, and young), didn't catch her name as I only speak English. The room, though, was terrible. Tiny and uncomfortable. Her service was okay, although a bit rushed. She had nice tits with nipple studs and liked to have her tits massaged hard. DFK was frantic instead of sensual and BBBJ was only average. I opted for CIM finish but she didn't keep me in her mouth very long. Pricing as per other reports, 60 mille /30 min, 110/60, and 100 to the girl for the extras. It was okay but I wouldn't go back.

It looks like I have a free Saturday evening to play. Any other clubs that are more like what Pussy House used to be? I don't really want to go to the SF clubs, unless there aren't any other options. Thanks![/QUOTE]Go to sixty-nine. It's right around the corner from pussy house. On a Saturday night it should be decent.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2996686]Go to sixty-nine. It's right around the corner from pussy house. On a Saturday night it should be decent.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Kaseu!

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;2996553]
I hope this helps out your list, and helps anyone who checks these places out with a good time![/QUOTE]Thank you for taking the time to write this list.

I just returned last week, but I will note your suggestions for my next trip.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2996018]Semana Santa is Christmas week in Spanish. Semana Pascual is Easter, I think?[/QUOTE]Semana Santa has been holy week up to and including Easter Sunday, in every Latin country I have been to for the last 30 years. So every Latino I have ever met is saying it incorrectly? Who knew. Jaja.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2996816]Semana Santa has been holy week up to and including Easter Sunday, in every Latin country I have been to for the last 30 years. So every Latino I have ever met is saying it incorrectly? Who knew. Jaja.[/QUOTE]In Spanish-speaking countries, "semana pasqua" translates to "Easter week" and refers to the celebration of Easter, specifically the week leading up to and including Easter Sunday. It is also known as "Semana Santa," which means "Holy Week" in Spanish.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2996816]Semana Santa has been holy week up to and including Easter Sunday, in every Latin country I have been to for the last 30 years. So every Latino I have ever met is saying it incorrectly? Who knew. Jaja.[/QUOTE]It's crazy that there's this thing called Google to understand all of this LOL. You are correct on the semana. Pascua is the following week from what my gringo ass found via Google LOL.

[QUOTE=RawDeal;2996017]$50 for a dance? Am I missing something or has inflation / tariffs really screwed things up?[/QUOTE]By $50 I mean 50,000 pesos and it's not for 1 dance it's for multiple like 4-5. That' always been the price in the clubs since I started going to Colombia in 2023.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2997064]By $50 I mean 50,000 pesos and it's not for 1 dance it's for multiple like 4-5. That' always been the price in the clubs since I started going to Colombia in 2023.[/QUOTE]I was about to say. I knew they were 10,000 before. Did not think they would shoot up 5 X.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2996686]Go to sixty-nine. It's right around the corner from pussy house. On a Saturday night it should be decent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2996683]

It looks like I have a free Saturday evening to play. Any other clubs that are more like what Pussy House used to be? I don't really want to go to the SF clubs, unless there aren't any other options. Thanks![/QUOTE]Anything additional recommendations besides sixty nine?

I reallly really really enjoy night club style set ups like dolce in cartagena and gusto in medellin. I know that's frowned upon on this website due to gringo prices.

Thanks for clarifying.

[QUOTE=TigerGuyX2;2997064]By $50 I mean 50,000 pesos and it's not for 1 dance it's for multiple like 4-5. That' always been the price in the clubs since I started going to Colombia in 2023.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to Bogota!

Welcome to the land of putas, arepas, thin air, and this trip, pinche rain! It mostly rained in the late afternoons and early evenings. The nicer parts of the city, like La Candelaria and Zona Rosa were quite clean. But I found some other areas were a bit trashy and riddled with graffiti. Having said that, I saw some incredible painted murals throughout the city. Because I am old and already walk slow, I did not have any issues with the 8,661 feet altitude.

Why return to Bogota?

Last time I was there was in August 2024. After that romp, I felt I only scratched the surface of the mongering scene. As well as other things to see, do, and eat in that huge city. I just had to return and explore more of the city!

Logistics & Other Stuff:

References:

I used three references: ISG, World Travel 69's maps, and Google search.

ISG:

Woodman09 – I had the pleasure of meeting up with him during my last trip. He is the, "Boots on the ground dude. " If you have any questions, he is the one to ask. I HIGHLY recommend taking one of his tours, especially if you have very little knowledge of the Zona de Tolerancia.

Mr Enternational – Whenever I want information on the down and dirty spots in a city, my brother always steers me in the right direction!

World Travel 69 – I have known World Travel 69 since 2012. He is dedicated to creating maps for fellow mongers. He updates his maps from OUR trip reports. PM him if you have any questions.

Travel Insurance:

The SquareMouth web-site gave me over 50 quotes from over 50 different companies. I chose Trawick from National Mutual. It was for 6-days and cost $260.

Money:

All the money I quote is in COP, Colombian pesos. According to Oanda, the current rate is 4,270 COP to 1 US dollar. I just divided the currency by 4 and it worked out for me. For example, 100,000 COP was around 25 bucks. I arrived very late in Bogota and I decided to cash in some dollars at the airport at the exchange place next to baggage claim three; the crappy rate was 3,900. I used ATMs thereafter as needed. Tip from Woodman: You can pull 2,000,000 from the ATMs at Davivienda banks; around 500 US.

Flight:

I flew Aeromexico from Tijuana round-trip to Bogota. Each way, there was a layover in Mexico City. Total flight time was around 7 hours each way.

Immigration / Customs:

Because of my last trip to Colombia, I knew there was a Migration Form I needed to fill out called CheckMig. This is the website: migracioncolombia. Gov. Co. There you need to fill out the immigration registration form 72 hours before your trip OR up to 1 hour before.

It took me around 10 minutes to fill out the form and submit it. Once I did, within a few minutes, I received the document in my e-mail box. I had the completed form on my phone and I also printed the form out.

When I was going through immigration in Bogota, I was asked to show the completed form to the agent. I gave him the printed form. He also asked where I was staying during my trip; I showed him. He stamped my passport and I was done.

In customs I had to run my bags through the x-ray machine and that was it.

When I was returning, I completed the form online. But the only immigration process there was when I had to place my passport on some machine and the little doors opened to let me move on to security. The CheckMig form was not asked for and nobody stamped my passport.

Hotel:

Once again, I stayed at the Tequendama Suites in Centro Internacional.

PROS:

- Close distance to the Zona de Tolerancia.

- Safe location.

- Solid WiFi.

- Large rooms.

- Great staff and service.

- Free breakfast buffet from 6 to 10.

- Chica friendly – First off, I registered for 2 people when I booked the room. When I brought home a bar chica at 3 am, I added her to my room. Otherwise, chicas were allowed in my room after they registered at the front desk and could stay until 9 pm. The front desk always called my room before and after for confirmation.

CONS:

- Rooms had NO heating.

- No free bottled water after the first day.

Overall, I enjoyed my stay!

Communication:

I have the T-Mobile Go5 GPlus55 plan; no worries whatsoever.

Transportation:

When I arrived at the airport, I did not see a taxi booth, so I just headed outside. All the taxis quoted the same price; 60. Because it was late and the streets were empty; the trip took around 20 minutes. Returning to the airport, my hotel called one of their van drivers and the cost was 40; I think.

Other forms of transportation:

Uber – Reliable during the day and early evening; iffy late night. This trip, Uber offered Taxis to their options. For me, that was my choice during my stay. The wait times were shorter and the fares were lower.

Taxis – Most of the drivers were older and had no concept regarding google maps. But when I gave them the physical address, they knew exactly where to go. And all the taxis I took off the street had meters.

Also, I met Duvan, a friend of the chica from Sixty-Nine. I paid him 50 k an hour. We ran the streets for two nights. I have his number of anyone is interested.

Spanish:

During my stay, I did not hear any English, which included my hotel, restaurants, drivers, and putas.

Restaurants:

I did a lot of research before I left and here are my thoughts on the food scene:

Pajare Salinas. Outstanding.

Dona Elvira – Excellent.

La Casa – Outstanding.

Tierra Chapinero – Outstanding.

La Kaska 106 – Excellent.

After going to Colombia for several years, I would be the first to tell others do not travel to Colombia for the food. However the nicer restaurants had some great chow!

Overall, the food was pretty damn good. There was an abundant amount of street food venders scattered throughout the city.

Strip / table dance clubs:

In each club, I asked several questions and wrote down the answers as usual. Thus, if I am wrong; correct me please. I wrote down the lowest ficha price. Also, none of the clubs I visited had a cover charge. In most of the clubs, there was only bottle service available.

Club: Sixty-Nine.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /11.

Comments: This club did not seem to offer anything else but bottle service. A sweetie sat with me and we shared a half-bottle of Baileys.

She (Chica69) asked me to take her out of the bar, but I told her I was headed to other clubs. She wanted to go too! She said it was a $35 exit (bar fine) and $100 for TLN. (all US dollars) I thought, "Why in the hell not?" Thus, off we went!

Club: Lido.

Ficha: Same drink prices as mine.

Sex: I was quoted $200, $300, and $400 for an hour Plus, $80 for the room (all US dollars).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 40+, very good to fucking hot.

Day / Time: Friday /12.

Comments: I loved this place last time I was there. Most of the chicas were hot! Chica69 also loved the place and she was grabbing all the body parts she could, with my dollar bills of course. Even if you do not want to pay their prices for their services; the place is worth the visit!

Club: Mora Mora.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 150 to 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 50+, good to very hot.

Day / Time: Friday /1.

Comments: This club had a long stage and Chica69 and I had stage seats. When I gave chicas a dollar, first they made me stand up, then they swung on an overhead bar, and finally straddled my face between their thighs; hell fucken yeah! A great club to visit!

Club: Pasarela.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 150 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /2.

Comments: This club was a smaller place and next to Mora Mora. At first, they would not let Chica69 into the club, but a nice tip opens doors faster than my x-wife left me broke! The club only had bottle service, so I bought a half-bottle of tequila and shared it with my new novia; forgot her name already. I know, I am a crappy novio!

Club: Pussy House.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 40+, good with a few hotties in the mix.

Day / Time: Saturday /11:30.

Comments: First off, enough of the pinche stairs! It seemed there were more chunky chicas than I saw last August. I guess it did not help with all of them wearing white. I was there for around 40 minutes and no one danced on the stage; I bailed.

Club: Happy House.

Number / quality of chicas: 5, would do in a pinch to OK.

Day / Time: Saturday /12.

Comments: As I walked out of Pussy House, I saw this small place. The place was nothing special. It was all bottle service and for me, it was not worth my time to hang around; I bailed again.

Club: Atonis.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Saturday /1.

Comments: After I stopped in at Troya, which was packed, I decided to check out Atonis. That place was packed as well. I met a chica that stirred my interest, so we fell in love for 30 minutes. Nice romp and a nice club to boot.

Club: Rosquillas Bar.

Ficha: Cheap!

Sex: 50 for 20 and 60 for 30.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 6, good to one hottie.

Day / Time: Sunday /4 pm.

Hours: 9 am to 10 pm.

Comments: I walked in this small club and I was happy as hell with their prices! I plopped down next to the hottie and quickly bought her a beer. There was one dude that kept yelling her name from across the room, but she was occupied pendejo! I had a great time with her and enjoyed the place!

Club: Linares Punto 48.

Ficha: 20.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 6, OK to good (told 30+ on Friday / Saturday).

Day / Time: Sunday /11.

Comments: This was a three-story (purple painted) club and a rather strange place. Because I went on a Sunday night, there was limited action. I sat down with a cutie, but her breath would put puppies to shame! I stayed long enough to finish my drink, and then, I bailed.

Club: Fiebre.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 350 for 25 minutes (last August the price was 150 for 30 minutes).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 20+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Sunday / midnight.

Comments: Because all the other clubs were dead, Fiebre was the only place that had a good amount of chicas. I had a drink with a senorita silicona. That was a nice way to end my romp.

Spa: Spa Chicas:

Ficha: 2 bucks.

Sex: 4 women for 2 hours, 340 k (85 K each).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: I saw 5, decent to good.

Address: Cra 17 #53-38.

Hours: 11 am to 9 pm.

Day / Time: Friday /6.

Comments: When I arrived in this place, I told the chica I did not have enough time for 2 hours. Thus, I had two chicas for an hour at a discounted rate. They were fun and I left quite satisfied. Friendly staff and fun chicas!

Places I could not find OR I ran out of time:

Sanram – Looked everywhere; no luck.

Sensual – Ran out of time.

Tronos – Swinger club.

Fercho's VIP – Ran out of time.

California – Could not find OR I got there too late.

Street Girls:

I did not spend much time in the Zona de Tolerancia, thus, I only saw some street girls in the evenings in that area and never asked about prices.

Escorts:

As I was skimming through the ads on Mileroticos and Photoprepagos, the prices ranged from 100 to 400 for an hour. They all wanted more money for "oral al natural. " I had only one escort during my romp and the cost was 300 and included, "oral al natural. ".

Final thoughts on Bogota:

It was a seeking putas and eating good food trip. I thought the city was quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner. The city was huge! I felt I spent a good amount of time in taxis / Ubers. Would I ever return to Bogota? Not sure at this point. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!

Como siempre, ¡Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto!

Thanks for the awesome full report! But sorry man, you got the gringo pricing all around man. The only place where you didn't was at the one where the prices are up on the wall. You must have had tourist written on your forhead. Do you speak spanish?

Also, get used to the cold. I've never been in a hotel in Bogota that had heat.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2997308]Welcome to Bogota!

Welcome to the land of putas, arepas, thin air, and this trip, pinche rain! It mostly rained in the late afternoons and early evenings. The nicer parts of the city, like La Candelaria and Zona Rosa were quite clean. But I found some other areas were a bit trashy and riddled with graffiti. Having said that, I saw some incredible painted murals throughout the city. Because I am old and already walk slow, I did not have any issues with the 8,661 feet altitude.

Why return to Bogota?

Last time I was there was in August 2024. After that romp, I felt I only scratched the surface of the mongering scene. As well as other things to see, do, and eat in that huge city. I just had to return and explore more of the city!

Logistics & Other Stuff:

References:

I used three references: ISG, World Travel 69's maps, and Google search.

ISG:

Woodman09 I had the pleasure of meeting up with him during my last trip. He is the, "Boots on the ground dude. " If you have any questions, he is the one to ask. I HIGHLY recommend taking one of his tours, especially if you have very little knowledge of the Zona de Tolerancia.

Mr Enternational Whenever I want information on the down and dirty spots in a city, my brother always steers me in the right direction!

World Travel 69 I have known World Travel 69 since 2012. He is dedicated to creating maps for fellow mongers. He updates his maps from OUR trip reports. PM him if you have any questions.

Travel Insurance:

The SquareMouth web-site gave me over 50 quotes from over 50 different companies. I chose Trawick from National Mutual. It was for 6-days and cost $260.

Money:

All the money I quote is in COP, Colombian pesos. According to Oanda, the current rate is 4,270 COP to 1 US dollar. I just divided the currency by 4 and it worked out for me. For example, 100,000 COP was around 25 bucks. I arrived very late in Bogota and I decided to cash in some dollars at the airport at the exchange place next to baggage claim three; the crappy rate was 3,900. I used ATMs thereafter as needed. Tip from Woodman: You can pull 2,000,000 from the ATMs at Davivienda banks; around 500 US.

Flight:

I flew Aeromexico from Tijuana round-trip to Bogota. Each way, there was a layover in Mexico City. Total flight time was around 7 hours each way.

Immigration / Customs:

Because of my last trip to Colombia, I knew there was a Migration Form I needed to fill out called CheckMig. This is the website: migracioncolombia. Gov. Co. There you need to fill out the immigration registration form 72 hours before your trip OR up to 1 hour before.

It took me around 10 minutes to fill out the form and submit it. Once I did, within a few minutes, I received the document in my e-mail box. I had the completed form on my phone and I also printed the form out.

When I was going through immigration in Bogota, I was asked to show the completed form to the agent. I gave him the printed form. He also asked where I was staying during my trip; I showed him. He stamped my passport and I was done.

In customs I had to run my bags through the x-ray machine and that was it.

When I was returning, I completed the form online. But the only immigration process there was when I had to place my passport on some machine and the little doors opened to let me move on to security. The CheckMig form was not asked for and nobody stamped my passport.

Hotel:

Once again, I stayed at the Tequendama Suites in Centro Internacional.

PROS:

- Close distance to the Zona de Tolerancia.

- Safe location.

- Solid WiFi.

- Large rooms.

- Great staff and service.

- Free breakfast buffet from 6 to 10.

- Chica friendly First off, I registered for 2 people when I booked the room. When I brought home a bar chica at 3 am, I added her to my room. Otherwise, chicas were allowed in my room after they registered at the front desk and could stay until 9 pm. The front desk always called my room before and after for confirmation.

CONS:

- Rooms had NO heating.

- No free bottled water after the first day.

Overall, I enjoyed my stay!

Communication:

I have the T-Mobile Go5 GPlus55 plan; no worries whatsoever.

Transportation:

When I arrived at the airport, I did not see a taxi booth, so I just headed outside. All the taxis quoted the same price; 60. Because it was late and the streets were empty; the trip took around 20 minutes. Returning to the airport, my hotel called one of their van drivers and the cost was 40; I think.

Other forms of transportation:

Uber Reliable during the day and early evening; iffy late night. This trip, Uber offered Taxis to their options. For me, that was my choice during my stay. The wait times were shorter and the fares were lower.

Taxis Most of the drivers were older and had no concept regarding google maps. But when I gave them the physical address, they knew exactly where to go. And all the taxis I took off the street had meters.

Also, I met Duvan, a friend of the chica from Sixty-Nine. I paid him 50 k an hour. We ran the streets for two nights. I have his number of anyone is interested.

Spanish:

During my stay, I did not hear any English, which included my hotel, restaurants, drivers, and putas.

Restaurants:

I did a lot of research before I left and here are my thoughts on the food scene:

Pajare Salinas. Outstanding.

Dona Elvira Excellent.

La Casa Outstanding.

Tierra Chapinero Outstanding.

La Kaska 106 Excellent.

After going to Colombia for several years, I would be the first to tell others do not travel to Colombia for the food. However the nicer restaurants had some great chow!

Overall, the food was pretty damn good. There was an abundant amount of street food venders scattered throughout the city.

Strip / table dance clubs:

In each club, I asked several questions and wrote down the answers as usual. Thus, if I am wrong; correct me please. I wrote down the lowest ficha price. Also, none of the clubs I visited had a cover charge. In most of the clubs, there was only bottle service available.

Club: Sixty-Nine.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /11.

Comments: This club did not seem to offer anything else but bottle service. A sweetie sat with me and we shared a half-bottle of Baileys.

She (Chica69) asked me to take her out of the bar, but I told her I was headed to other clubs. She wanted to go too! She said it was a $35 exit (bar fine) and $100 for TLN. (all US dollars) I thought, "Why in the hell not?" Thus, off we went!

Club: Lido.

Ficha: Same drink prices as mine.

Sex: I was quoted $200, $300, and $400 for an hour Plus, $80 for the room (all US dollars).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 40+, very good to fucking hot.

Day / Time: Friday /12.

Comments: I loved this place last time I was there. Most of the chicas were hot! Chica69 also loved the place and she was grabbing all the body parts she could, with my dollar bills of course. Even if you do not want to pay their prices for their services; the place is worth the visit!

Club: Mora Mora.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 150 to 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 50+, good to very hot.

Day / Time: Friday /1.

Comments: This club had a long stage and Chica69 and I had stage seats. When I gave chicas a dollar, first they made me stand up, then they swung on an overhead bar, and finally straddled my face between their thighs; hell fucken yeah! A great club to visit!

Club: Pasarela.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 150 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /2.

Comments: This club was a smaller place and next to Mora Mora. At first, they would not let Chica69 into the club, but a nice tip opens doors faster than my x-wife left me broke! The club only had bottle service, so I bought a half-bottle of tequila and shared it with my new novia; forgot her name already. I know, I am a crappy novio!

Club: Pussy House.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 40+, good with a few hotties in the mix.

Day / Time: Saturday /11:30.

Comments: First off, enough of the pinche stairs! It seemed there were more chunky chicas than I saw last August. I guess it did not help with all of them wearing white. I was there for around 40 minutes and no one danced on the stage; I bailed.

Club: Happy House.

Number / quality of chicas: 5, would do in a pinch to OK.

Day / Time: Saturday /12.

Comments: As I walked out of Pussy House, I saw this small place. The place was nothing special. It was all bottle service and for me, it was not worth my time to hang around; I bailed again.

Club: Atonis.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Saturday /1.

Comments: After I stopped in at Troya, which was packed, I decided to check out Atonis. That place was packed as well. I met a chica that stirred my interest, so we fell in love for 30 minutes. Nice romp and a nice club to boot.

Club: Rosquillas Bar.

Ficha: Cheap!

Sex: 50 for 20 and 60 for 30.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 6, good to one hottie.

Day / Time: Sunday /4 pm.

Hours: 9 am to 10 pm.

Comments: I walked in this small club and I was happy as hell with their prices! I plopped down next to the hottie and quickly bought her a beer. There was one dude that kept yelling her name from across the room, but she was occupied pendejo! I had a great time with her and enjoyed the place!

Club: Linares Punto 48.

Ficha: 20.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 6, OK to good (told 30+ on Friday / Saturday).

Day / Time: Sunday /11.

Comments: This was a three-story (purple painted) club and a rather strange place. Because I went on a Sunday night, there was limited action. I sat down with a cutie, but her breath would put puppies to shame! I stayed long enough to finish my drink, and then, I bailed.

Club: Fiebre.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 350 for 25 minutes (last August the price was 150 for 30 minutes).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 20+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Sunday / midnight.

Comments: Because all the other clubs were dead, Fiebre was the only place that had a good amount of chicas. I had a drink with a senorita silicona. That was a nice way to end my romp.

Spa: Spa Chicas:

Ficha: 2 bucks.

Sex: 4 women for 2 hours, 340 k (85 K each).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: I saw 5, decent to good.

Address: Cra 17 #53-38.

Hours: 11 am to 9 pm.

Day / Time: Friday /6.

Comments: When I arrived in this place, I told the chica I did not have enough time for 2 hours. Thus, I had two chicas for an hour at a discounted rate. They were fun and I left quite satisfied. Friendly staff and fun chicas!

Places I could not find OR I ran out of time:

Sanram Looked everywhere; no luck.

Sensual Ran out of time.

Tronos Swinger club.

Fercho's VIP Ran out of time.

California Could not find OR I got there too late.

Street Girls:

I did not spend much time in the Zona de Tolerancia, thus, I only saw some street girls in the evenings in that area and never asked about prices.

Escorts:

As I was skimming through the ads on Mileroticos and Photoprepagos, the prices ranged from 100 to 400 for an hour. They all wanted more money for "oral al natural. " I had only one escort during my romp and the cost was 300 and included, "oral al natural. ".

Final thoughts on Bogota:

It was a seeking putas and eating good food trip. I thought the city was quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner. The city was huge! I felt I spent a good amount of time in taxis / Ubers. Would I ever return to Bogota? Not sure at this point. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!

Como siempre, Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2997114]Anything additional recommendations besides sixty nine?

I reallly really really enjoy night club style set ups like dolce in cartagena and gusto in medellin. I know that's frowned upon on this website due to gringo prices.[/QUOTE]There is nothing exactly like Gustos in Bogota. Oh, if only there were. You might try Lido, I think that's the closest you'll get.

See'Mon. Give the guy a break. He was a vacation visitor. Sure he paid more than he had to but it's not the end of the world. Fair enough to remind everybody of what market rates are.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2997545]Thanks for the awesome full report! But sorry man, you got the gringo pricing all around man. The only place where you didn't was at the one where the prices are up on the wall. You must have had tourist written on your forhead. Do you speak spanish?

Also, get used to the cold. I've never been in a hotel in Bogota that had heat.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2997563]See'Mon. Give the guy a break. He was a vacation visitor. Sure he paid more than he had to but it's not the end of the world. Fair enough to remind everybody of what market rates are.[/QUOTE]Maybe give me a break. Chill out. Post was informative. I thanked him for his excellent post. My comment was to inform him and others that those are not normal prices. Maybe lay off the forum police role a bit.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2997545]Thanks for the awesome full report! But sorry man, you got the gringo pricing all around man. The only place where you didn't was at the one where the prices are up on the wall. You must have had tourist written on your forhead. Do you speak spanish?.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the thanks.

When I travel, I do not haggle with the chicas; I do not have the time for that.

Yes, I speak Spanish.

I really do not give a damn about what others pay for putas; not worth my time.

BTW, every gringo has ATM tattooed on their forehead.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2997705]Thanks for the thanks.

When I travel, I do not haggle with the chicas; I do not have the time for that.

Yes, I speak Spanish.

I really do not give a damn about what others pay for putas; not worth my time.

BTW, every gringo has ATM tattooed on their forehead.[/QUOTE]Again, your post was excellent and useful. I greatly appreciate all well written posts with such detail. But it was pretty obvious to me that you did not haggle the least bit with anyone. That's your choice. It was frankly quite surprising that you got pretty much taken on every monetary interaction that you had. You may not care, but others may want to avoid the same experience.

ATM may be tattooed on every gringo's forehead but it really doesn't take much effort to get normal prices.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2997707] it was pretty obvious to me that you did not haggle the least bit with anyone. That's your choice. It was frankly quite surprising that you got pretty much taken on every monetary interaction that you had. You may not care, but others may want to avoid the same experience.
[/QUOTE]Janet Reno, President Clinton's Attorney General always would pay list price for her cars. Some people prefer to overpay. Of course, what is a woman's value? They have one high opinion of their value and you have another which is how little can I pay them. Much of the time those opinions will not be the same. They will think their body and pussy are gold and you will think they are overweight, have baby damage, saggy tits, are cold as an eskimo, and unresponisve like an American woman, basically a dead fish.

With the Hoes it can be a trade-off. If you "negotiate" on price, they can cut the time short and leave you with blue balls. Or they will go to the bathroom and come out saying their "period just started", and you need to pay them for their time anyway. Or they will promise to spend the whole night and then get an emergency phone call from the hospital that their aunt is dying and they need to rush away immediately. Or they will not French kiss, not let you dine at the why, or will upcharge you for anything beyond a simple insertion with condom. Women are sneaky, and if you try to play them they will always try to "negotiate" things back to what they think they can get away with. After all, you cannot trust them, can you? You have to be careful so they do not slip scolamine in your drinks or food. You have to be careful and not turn your back on them so they do not steal any valuables once in your room. You have a room safe to lock up your passport and money.

I suggest you come back with a reasonable figure and be prepared to walk away, no haggling. Whenever I have done haggling the women lose face and under perform. Or you can pay list price for your cars at the dealorship too.

My arrival time at BOG is 4 am and I have a long layover; continuing on to Cartagena. Any recommendations on hotels near BOG airport, that facilities early morning check-ins and are Chica friendly? Thanks in advance.

My arrival time in BOG is 4 am and I have a long layover; continuing on to Cartagena. Any recommendations on hotels near BOG airport, that facilities early morning check-ins and that are Chica friendly? Thanks in advance.

Hey man great report and thanks for sharing, one question isare the girls in 69 mostly up for take out? I'm a single guy and love the idea of taking out a hot chic and hitting the chapinero clubs do you think it's possible?

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2997308]Welcome to Bogota!

Welcome to the land of putas, arepas, thin air, and this trip, pinche rain! It mostly rained in the late afternoons and early evenings. The nicer parts of the city, like La Candelaria and Zona Rosa were quite clean. But I found some other areas were a bit trashy and riddled with graffiti. Having said that, I saw some incredible painted murals throughout the city. Because I am old and already walk slow, I did not have any issues with the 8,661 feet altitude.

Why return to Bogota?

Last time I was there was in August 2024. After that romp, I felt I only scratched the surface of the mongering scene. As well as other things to see, do, and eat in that huge city. I just had to return and explore more of the city!

Logistics & Other Stuff:

References:

I used three references: ISG, World Travel 69's maps, and Google search.

ISG:

Woodman09 I had the pleasure of meeting up with him during my last trip. He is the, "Boots on the ground dude. " If you have any questions, he is the one to ask. I HIGHLY recommend taking one of his tours, especially if you have very little knowledge of the Zona de Tolerancia.

Mr Enternational Whenever I want information on the down and dirty spots in a city, my brother always steers me in the right direction!

World Travel 69 I have known World Travel 69 since 2012. He is dedicated to creating maps for fellow mongers. He updates his maps from OUR trip reports. PM him if you have any questions.

Travel Insurance:

The SquareMouth web-site gave me over 50 quotes from over 50 different companies. I chose Trawick from National Mutual. It was for 6-days and cost $260.

Money:

All the money I quote is in COP, Colombian pesos. According to Oanda, the current rate is 4,270 COP to 1 US dollar. I just divided the currency by 4 and it worked out for me. For example, 100,000 COP was around 25 bucks. I arrived very late in Bogota and I decided to cash in some dollars at the airport at the exchange place next to baggage claim three; the crappy rate was 3,900. I used ATMs thereafter as needed. Tip from Woodman: You can pull 2,000,000 from the ATMs at Davivienda banks; around 500 US.

Flight:

I flew Aeromexico from Tijuana round-trip to Bogota. Each way, there was a layover in Mexico City. Total flight time was around 7 hours each way.

Immigration / Customs:

Because of my last trip to Colombia, I knew there was a Migration Form I needed to fill out called CheckMig. This is the website: migracioncolombia. Gov. Co. There you need to fill out the immigration registration form 72 hours before your trip OR up to 1 hour before.

It took me around 10 minutes to fill out the form and submit it. Once I did, within a few minutes, I received the document in my e-mail box. I had the completed form on my phone and I also printed the form out.

When I was going through immigration in Bogota, I was asked to show the completed form to the agent. I gave him the printed form. He also asked where I was staying during my trip; I showed him. He stamped my passport and I was done.

In customs I had to run my bags through the x-ray machine and that was it.

When I was returning, I completed the form online. But the only immigration process there was when I had to place my passport on some machine and the little doors opened to let me move on to security. The CheckMig form was not asked for and nobody stamped my passport.

Hotel:

Once again, I stayed at the Tequendama Suites in Centro Internacional.

PROS:

- Close distance to the Zona de Tolerancia.

- Safe location.

- Solid WiFi.

- Large rooms.

- Great staff and service.

- Free breakfast buffet from 6 to 10.

- Chica friendly First off, I registered for 2 people when I booked the room. When I brought home a bar chica at 3 am, I added her to my room. Otherwise, chicas were allowed in my room after they registered at the front desk and could stay until 9 pm. The front desk always called my room before and after for confirmation.

CONS:

- Rooms had NO heating.

- No free bottled water after the first day.

Overall, I enjoyed my stay!

Communication:

I have the T-Mobile Go5 GPlus55 plan; no worries whatsoever.

Transportation:

When I arrived at the airport, I did not see a taxi booth, so I just headed outside. All the taxis quoted the same price; 60. Because it was late and the streets were empty; the trip took around 20 minutes. Returning to the airport, my hotel called one of their van drivers and the cost was 40; I think.

Other forms of transportation:

Uber Reliable during the day and early evening; iffy late night. This trip, Uber offered Taxis to their options. For me, that was my choice during my stay. The wait times were shorter and the fares were lower.

Taxis Most of the drivers were older and had no concept regarding google maps. But when I gave them the physical address, they knew exactly where to go. And all the taxis I took off the street had meters.

Also, I met Duvan, a friend of the chica from Sixty-Nine. I paid him 50 k an hour. We ran the streets for two nights. I have his number of anyone is interested.

Spanish:

During my stay, I did not hear any English, which included my hotel, restaurants, drivers, and putas.

Restaurants:

I did a lot of research before I left and here are my thoughts on the food scene:

Pajare Salinas. Outstanding.

Dona Elvira Excellent.

La Casa Outstanding.

Tierra Chapinero Outstanding.

La Kaska 106 Excellent.

After going to Colombia for several years, I would be the first to tell others do not travel to Colombia for the food. However the nicer restaurants had some great chow!

Overall, the food was pretty damn good. There was an abundant amount of street food venders scattered throughout the city.

Strip / table dance clubs:

In each club, I asked several questions and wrote down the answers as usual. Thus, if I am wrong; correct me please. I wrote down the lowest ficha price. Also, none of the clubs I visited had a cover charge. In most of the clubs, there was only bottle service available.

Club: Sixty-Nine.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /11.

Comments: This club did not seem to offer anything else but bottle service. A sweetie sat with me and we shared a half-bottle of Baileys.

She (Chica69) asked me to take her out of the bar, but I told her I was headed to other clubs. She wanted to go too! She said it was a $35 exit (bar fine) and $100 for TLN. (all US dollars) I thought, "Why in the hell not?" Thus, off we went!

Club: Lido.

Ficha: Same drink prices as mine.

Sex: I was quoted $200, $300, and $400 for an hour Plus, $80 for the room (all US dollars).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 40+, very good to fucking hot.

Day / Time: Friday /12.

Comments: I loved this place last time I was there. Most of the chicas were hot! Chica69 also loved the place and she was grabbing all the body parts she could, with my dollar bills of course. Even if you do not want to pay their prices for their services; the place is worth the visit!

Club: Mora Mora.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 150 to 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 50+, good to very hot.

Day / Time: Friday /1.

Comments: This club had a long stage and Chica69 and I had stage seats. When I gave chicas a dollar, first they made me stand up, then they swung on an overhead bar, and finally straddled my face between their thighs; hell fucken yeah! A great club to visit!

Club: Pasarela.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 150 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Friday /2.

Comments: This club was a smaller place and next to Mora Mora. At first, they would not let Chica69 into the club, but a nice tip opens doors faster than my x-wife left me broke! The club only had bottle service, so I bought a half-bottle of tequila and shared it with my new novia; forgot her name already. I know, I am a crappy novio!

Club: Pussy House.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 40+, good with a few hotties in the mix.

Day / Time: Saturday /11:30.

Comments: First off, enough of the pinche stairs! It seemed there were more chunky chicas than I saw last August. I guess it did not help with all of them wearing white. I was there for around 40 minutes and no one danced on the stage; I bailed.

Club: Happy House.

Number / quality of chicas: 5, would do in a pinch to OK.

Day / Time: Saturday /12.

Comments: As I walked out of Pussy House, I saw this small place. The place was nothing special. It was all bottle service and for me, it was not worth my time to hang around; I bailed again.

Club: Atonis.

Ficha: 30.

Sex: 200 for 30 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 30+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Saturday /1.

Comments: After I stopped in at Troya, which was packed, I decided to check out Atonis. That place was packed as well. I met a chica that stirred my interest, so we fell in love for 30 minutes. Nice romp and a nice club to boot.

Club: Rosquillas Bar.

Ficha: Cheap!

Sex: 50 for 20 and 60 for 30.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 6, good to one hottie.

Day / Time: Sunday /4 pm.

Hours: 9 am to 10 pm.

Comments: I walked in this small club and I was happy as hell with their prices! I plopped down next to the hottie and quickly bought her a beer. There was one dude that kept yelling her name from across the room, but she was occupied pendejo! I had a great time with her and enjoyed the place!

Club: Linares Punto 48.

Ficha: 20.

Sex: 200 for 20 minutes.

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 6, OK to good (told 30+ on Friday / Saturday).

Day / Time: Sunday /11.

Comments: This was a three-story (purple painted) club and a rather strange place. Because I went on a Sunday night, there was limited action. I sat down with a cutie, but her breath would put puppies to shame! I stayed long enough to finish my drink, and then, I bailed.

Club: Fiebre.

Ficha: 25.

Sex: 350 for 25 minutes (last August the price was 150 for 30 minutes).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: 20+, good to hot.

Day / Time: Sunday / midnight.

Comments: Because all the other clubs were dead, Fiebre was the only place that had a good amount of chicas. I had a drink with a senorita silicona. That was a nice way to end my romp.

Spa: Spa Chicas:

Ficha: 2 bucks.

Sex: 4 women for 2 hours, 340 k (85 K each).

On Site: Yes.

Number / quality of chicas: I saw 5, decent to good.

Address: Cra 17 #53-38.

Hours: 11 am to 9 pm.

Day / Time: Friday /6.

Comments: When I arrived in this place, I told the chica I did not have enough time for 2 hours. Thus, I had two chicas for an hour at a discounted rate. They were fun and I left quite satisfied. Friendly staff and fun chicas!

Places I could not find OR I ran out of time:

Sanram Looked everywhere; no luck.

Sensual Ran out of time.

Tronos Swinger club.

Fercho's VIP Ran out of time.

California Could not find OR I got there too late.

Street Girls:

I did not spend much time in the Zona de Tolerancia, thus, I only saw some street girls in the evenings in that area and never asked about prices.

Escorts:

As I was skimming through the ads on Mileroticos and Photoprepagos, the prices ranged from 100 to 400 for an hour. They all wanted more money for "oral al natural. " I had only one escort during my romp and the cost was 300 and included, "oral al natural. ".

Final thoughts on Bogota:

It was a seeking putas and eating good food trip. I thought the city was quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner. The city was huge! I felt I spent a good amount of time in taxis / Ubers. Would I ever return to Bogota? Not sure at this point. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!

Como siempre, Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto![/QUOTE].

Hey mate. What would be your price range for these establishments? E. g. Pussy House, Lido, Atonis, SixtyNine?

I understand it varies by each person and the chica, hence the range.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2997707]Again, your post was excellent and useful.
ATM may be tattooed on every gringo's forehead but it really doesn't take much effort to get normal prices.[/QUOTE]