Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am not sure I would enjoy the fleece as much as you would, especially when the SOD is not a businessman but a poor old chap that was already taken for a ride (Married & Divorced) in his own country.[/QUOTE]

Touche... if it's like you say then you are right... but if it's a businessman then I find it ammusing. Sorry maybe I have a sick sense of humour. I had my balls handed to me on a silver plater last night through a misunderstanding and I am looking in the mirror at what a fool I was. Turned out to my benefit but I love these moments of reflection.

Cheers...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I had my balls handed to me on a silver plater last night through a misunderstanding and I am looking in the mirror at what a fool I was. Turned out to my benefit but I love these moments of reflection.

Cheers...[/QUOTE]

Any chance you'll share the Story? Could be quite amusing? :)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Any chance you'll share the Story? Could be quite amusing? :)[/QUOTE]

Over a drink in BKK... if WE ever meet up... how many times have we missed each other???

Too many folks know my TGF... But there was a game of chicken last night and I blinked first and got my balls hand delivered to me.

But right now it's turning out peachy....

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I really like this post, even if you take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of me a bit. It gives me pause.

My beef isn't really with the women. I have an axe to grind (too much, perhaps) about the type of Farang who comes here and marries these girls, because it does have an impact on me. That's the truth of it. I admit that I have utter contempt for these guys who marry these girls. It's probably not the best thing to be writing on a board like this. [/QUOTE]
Professor OTH, you are taking years off your life investing this much emotion into something you can do little about, at least not on this board. There's a universal perception that Asian women in relationships with western men are the product of some variation of a monetary sexual connection. That perception, while not always correct does have a high percentage of truth to it and the perception will probably never change.

Your Anger should be directed at the Thai hierarchy, not the Falangs. Some Falangs have a need and see these girls as a way of full-filling that need. Sometimes I too wish they didn’t pick girls from the bottom of the barrel, but it’s none of my business. Terry Terrier was right when he said that Thailand could eliminate or at least significantly reduce the prostitution problem if they wanted to. South Korea is a perfect example of a country that did just that although prostitution is still available, it’s not offered in the same overly offensive manner many people object to. However, the Thais simply do not want to address this issue for a number of reasons, money and corruption being at the forefront of the equation. I could write pages about why many of these men marry Thai girls but no one cares and it would not solve or change anything, the fact is as long as the Thai Hierarchy allows and even covertly promotes prostitution, men will continue to come here and do what they do.

Hey, get a hold of the serenity prayer, I use it often and if there was ever a person it applies to, you are it. Chok Dee Professor!

What type of people you called as farangs?

Europeans and Americans usually.

There is also "farang dum" meaning "black farang" and is generally American, some Brit

It's a THAI generalization, though (farang dum)

[QUOTE=Dinghy]Europeans and Americans usually.

There is also "farang dum" meaning "black farang" and is generally American, some Brit

It's a THAI generalization, though (farang dum)[/QUOTE]

This quite rightly belongs either in the racism thread or the general thread...

But, anyway, one seldom hears Thais use the term 'Farang dum', IMO. You're likely to hear 'khon dum' far more often. And, actually I've heard 'Chocolate Man' or "Chocolate Girl' far more than any. Maybe it's generational because I've mainly heard younger people using this term.

[QUOTE=Chinese Jezebel]What type of people you called as farangs?[/QUOTE]
Yes sorry we are in the wrong thread.

Farang is supposed to mean foreigner but tends to be used with a narrower definition.
East Asians are known as "khon asia" (Asian people)
Indians, Arabs and (some other Middle Eastern) are known as "khon khaek". This word khaek can also mean guest.
Dark skinned are known as "khon piw dumb"
khon=people;phiw=skin;dumb=black

The remaining westerners (mostly with lighter) skin get called Farang (but can include dark skinned).

Thai people with very dark skin can be called:
"dumb dumb" but doesn't mean they are dense.
"phiw clum" refers to Thais with medium dark skin.
My GF is not so white and not so dark, so would be "phiw clum".

Use of these terms is not necessarily Racist, as when talking about various people, anything about the appearance can be latched onto to distinguish one person from another.

A child answering the phone might call out to the parents:
"Farang tow maa" (a Farang is calling - indicating not a Thai natural speaker).

Or the restaurant manager might say to one waitress:
"you take the Farang his bill and Lek can serve the khon khaek".
The manager could have refered to colour of the shirt equally well, unless they were wearing similar colours.

I have a close friend who is dark skinned and she refers to herself as black. Its not such a big deal.

Eye opening and poignant articles about Thai women, Falangs and the culture which relates to some of the recent discussion here.

[url]http://www.thefarang.com/2008/03/29/thai-farang-prostitution-bad-thai-thai-prostitution-good/[/url]

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Eye opening and poignant articles about Thai women, Falangs and the culture which relates to some of the recent discussion here.

[url]http://www.thefarang.com/2008/03/29/thai-farang-prostitution-bad-thai-thai-prostitution-good/[/url][/QUOTE]

Interesting article. It's of course very Thai to blame the Farang for everything and to ignore the root causes of the problem. I agreed with a comment you made earlier along the lines that if there was the will, the Thais could reduce prostitution drastically much the same as the Koreans have. While not a popular sentiment on a board like this, I'd personally love to see that happen.

However, the aspect of this article that I find disturbing is the spectre of some official attempt to limit or prevent Thai-Farang relationships. There are so many other areas in which the Thais have already made it more difficult for Farang to stay here, that it wouldn't surprise me if something similar to what has happened in Cambodia, where mixed marriages are now not allowed, happens here.

I have been talking to some Thai gals from Thai love links. IM has been fun and am agreeing to meet some. Some questions for those that know Thai culture. Many pictures have girls giving peace sign. Also, I have received winks. In Thai do these have any special meaning I should be aware of.

Any other signs or gestures to be looked for, or are there gestures that we should avoid or attempt for that matter. May sound odd to ask but these type of things can be important in some cultures

[QUOTE=Appcid]I have been talking to some Thai gals from Thai love links. IM has been fun and am agreeing to meet some. Some questions for those that know Thai culture. Many pictures have girls giving peace sign. Also, I have received winks. In Thai do these have any special meaning I should be aware of.

Any other signs or gestures to be looked for, or are there gestures that we should avoid or attempt for that matter. May sound odd to ask but these type of things can be important in some cultures[/QUOTE]

The peace sign means "friendship". As far as I know, if the wink is just a standard wink, it means the same as in Western cultures, except it's actually a little rude to wink at a girl unless you actually know her quite well.
If both eyes are closed, or sort of half open, and the chin is raised, this means, "I know" or "I agree", or simply, "Yes".

The thumb and index finger extended, last three fingers folded, palm facing in, hand placed below the chin so that the thumb and index finger frame the chin means, "I'm ab-baew", meaning, "I'm really cute". It's a popular teenage slang thing that has made it's way into the mainstream.



If I think of any others, I'll add them.

The Thais have lots of gestures. But, they're difficult to explain.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]if there was the will, the Thais could reduce prostitution drastically much the same as the Koreans have[/QUOTE]

They could do what the Japanese have done, and have a sex industry which is at least as big in terms of revenue, and to the trained eye far more ubiquitous (BJ shops easily found at every major train station, and no shortage of shops around the small ones) as Thailand's, but to which foreigners are not welcome.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]However, the aspect of this article that I find disturbing is the spectre of some official attempt to limit or prevent Thai-Farang relationships.[/QUOTE]

Yes, reading the article I was imagining some Chinese politician deciding that Lao and Khmer girls in Isaan losing their Thai culture might be a problem. I was also imagining being back in Thailand where a thought like that might even make a little sense.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The main reasons cited for such an alarmingly high failure rate weres culture clashes and most importantly, that the girls in question all thought their "knight in shining armour" was considerably richer than he turned out to be.[/QUOTE]

OTH, I saw a cartoon once that shows a man talking to a bargirl and he says something to the effect: "Okay, a million baht for your Mom, a new pickup truck for your Dad and 50,000 baht a month for you. What do I get?" She answers, "Fuck all..."

I always thought the reply should be, "On my night off, if none of my boyfriends are in town, you can sleep with me, if I'm not too tired."

Someone once told me, even if a bargirl hates the fucking, she loves the life. So, in the lyrics of an old song, "How ya gonna keep her down on the farm...?"

[QUOTE=Animby]OTH, I saw a cartoon once that shows a man talking to a bargirl and he says something to the effect: "Okay, a million baht for your Mom, a new pickup truck for your Dad and 50,000 baht a month for you. What do I get?" She answers, "Fuck all..."

I always thought the reply should be, "On my night off, if none of my boyfriends are in town, you can sleep with me, if I'm not too tired."

Someone once told me, even if a bargirl hates the fucking, she loves the life. So, in the lyrics of an old song, "How ya gonna keep her down on the farm...?"[/QUOTE]

When I was first here, I worked with a REAL Old Thai Hand, who knew this country inside out and, in particular had a lot of experience in his early years here with bargirls. He told me something, which I have since heard dozens of times from different people: that P4P girls become addicted to the life and it changes them fundamentally and permanently. One could argue that being in the biz alters them psychologically. In my experience, they certainly don't think or act like normal Thai women act and are really quite screwed up. This is why I personally think that any guy who goes beyond the 3Fs with any of these girls is an idiot.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no excuse for an expat settling for a bargirl, when he could do much better, IMO. I know I'm going to get flamed (again) by the usual crowd for this opinion. But, it is my opinion, for what it's worth and I'm just entitled to think this way as others are in thinking that P4P girls are the salt of the earth. If you're living here, there are many opportunities to meet nice girls who, believe it or not don't have the single-minded agenda of fleecing you for everything you've got, and with whom you can form mutually-rewarding and meaningful relationships. The problem is, that a lot of guys simply don't know how to go about meeting a decent Thai woman, so take the easy way out.

In my first year or so here, I went this familiar route. My first GF came from soi Cowboy - very predictable, indeed. But, I managed to avoid falling for her or any other of these type of girls and more importantly avoided getting taken for a ride. I successfully moved quickly beyond P4P as a source for anything but frivolous fun because I recognized immediately that there was so much more out there. All it takes really is a little effort.