SubCmdr's UTR's, Non-Pros (NP), and Sugar Babies (SB)

From DR1:

"In an article sponsored by the Banco Popular Dominicano, several newspapers are talking about a new application called Costa Dominicana, which is available for iPhones and Android devices. The app covers 133 beaches, 18 of which are shown in virtual reality. Sponsored by the BPD, the content is based on the work of agricultural engineer Domingo Marte, who traveled from the mouth of the Dajabon River in Montecristi (northwest) to the mouth of the Pedernales River on the southwestern coast. Most of this was done on foot or by boat and covered the 227 beaches along the Dominican coastline. The app encourages everyone to emulate Domingo Marte and explore the coastline. The app filters beaches by geographical region and allows the user to find out if there are any options such as the availability of food nearby, or whether access is easy or difficult and finally what kind of infrastructure is available. The app is synchronized with Google Maps, which allows the user to select the best route for reaching a new beach. "

This a great idea and I love the beach. But downloaded the app onto my iPhone and it didn't work.

In every pussy that I go.

The ho's are reducing fees.

For regular gringos like me.

And I still get to cum in their mouth!

I say this because two ho's that I had not seen before because they were asking 3000 pesos and 4000 pesos respectively, told me they would see me for 1500 pesos and 2000 pesos respectively because it was "navidad" and they needed money to buy gifts.

How lovely!

The SubCmdr sends you his greetings from Santo Domingo where the pussy is wet, where we go hard and deep in the pussy and where the men in the arena know the critics do not count! Taking a break from going hard in the pussy and busting nut all over their faces. Cause you know these hoes want that hose pipe, so we give all these hoes pipe, we hope she gets on that dick and stays on, all night like porch lights, that's right! One of my brothers sent me this:

"I dreamed during my recent visit to the Capitol that I spirited off to one the cabanas in north Malecon where several choices are available. It's So much thanks for sharing a UTR, that's under-the-radar, phone number, photos and contact.

Of three potential contacts, she was the first to discuss a reasonable service arrangement - 2500 plus 500 add on for a specific service. Now that arrangement upset the others who asked for more, but negotiated down when the offer was serious, especially when I shared that a slow response means there is no interest. Such arrangements prevent golden-pussy syndrome and the usual haggling. And the next time an offer to dream comes up the lady knows how far to push before the deal goes away.

A curvy girl with no fat, she crawled up on me and laid those puppies in my face. Nice eraser nipples. Kissing was off limits and no desire to play around. All service covered. No oral, and little discussion and lots of spit lube, she mounted reverse cowgirl with experience evident as she knelt on one knee with the other leg flat-footed on the bed. Loud moans were fake and Oscar quality. After about ten she switched to regular cowgirl with the same technique before a quick jump off awaiting instruction. I had asked for BBBJCIM as part of the deal, but denied, until a reminder about the add-on bonus. Off to the bathroom to wash first, she got to business with good but predictable technique, tired easily and didn't understand my need for aggressive head. Once communication improved she turned into suckzilla and developed a rhythm to finish the job, catch the evidence and then off to the bathroom.

Totally satisfied I laid back on the bed and commented that I was at full mast. Unusual with an absent prostate, she made it clear round #2 which was not on the menu. We rested a little bit, laid beside each other and tried to DATY receiving much resistance. She reluctantly consented to a tease contest. Some flicking of the tongue and a finger teasing her vajay produced some now realistic soft moans until her hips began to gyrate in slow motion. She became dripping wet, grabbed my hand and pushed the finger deep into her, lifted up her hips and went into vajay convulsions. She wasn't expecting that and just laid back and pushed my head away. Battle won.

Pros: Semi pro UTR by reference only. Natural curves and no scars. Rides the pony at champion quality. Can follow instructions. With reminders, stuck to negotiated fee without add ONS.

Cons: Was not ready for our appointment and was 90 minutes late for our appointment. Did not follow instructions well to link up at the appointed place. Agreed to pre-paid taxi fare home, but left the cab when I did and insisted I pay the driver. Stupid Gringo syndrome?

Provided digits. Would recommend but negotiate rate and if late for service. Move on. "

Ah shit! Seems like my brother caught some push back from a ho. Seems she may be a little more pro and a little less semi than she initially let on. But mos def UTR. That's what we working wit here. Did a ho lie to me to get what she wanted? No? Say it isn't so. Santo Domingo is not hard. Did you bust a nut my brother? Yes, you did. Can I get a quote from a brother? "Totally satisfied". Word! Nah, two words! You had to take the scenic route, but sometimes the journey is the reward.

But I understand that's not what you are looking for when you are on a time schedule my man. I get that. My apologies to a brother for the ho being late and running the taxi scam. I know I should try the pussy out before I make the recommendation. Cause dis ho def is not making a brother look good in the eyes of another brother. But there is so much pussy here in Santo Domingo and I just don't have enough time to run up in all of it! Give a brother another chance and I'll hook you up with more digits the next time you are running through Santo Domingo on a mission to blow backs out!

The SubCmdr is out but with the following message: If a chica spreads her legs for you and you didn't have any fun, it was your own damn fault!

Drops the microphone and walks off the stage to thunderous applause!

A girl I know came over to my place. She swept my floors, mopped my floors, got down on her hands and knees and scrubbed every square meter of my floors (and balcony) and then mopped my floors again. It was a six hours process. Now I was not standing over her telling her what to do. I explained to her what I wanted (in my poor Spanish since this has been pointed out by the numerous linguistic experts in both English and Spanish here. In face I'm sure this post contains some kind of grammatical or spelling error that is sending at least one of you into a apoplectic fit.) and she took it from there. I left her in my apartment while I went shopping on the rich side of town (I'm just a poor gringo trying to make it). I was gone about four of the those six hours. Nothing was missing. And after she completed her work she asked if I had any other for her. Which I did not at the time. But told her she could count on returning one time each month for same work. She agreed to do that and thanked me when I paid her. I paid her 500 pesos plus 100 pesos for transportation.

Today my view of the ocean is great and my floors, well my floors are sparking. In fact, I'm sitting at my desk right now writing this being bathed in sunlight and occasionally peering out my million dollar (US) view.

So, the next time one of you sexual tourist motherfuckers is arguing with some chica over the money they want to fuck you or lamenting the poor sexual performance you received, keep in mind that the individual you are dealing with is lazy and of poor character. Because most women in the Dominican Republic are not prostitutes. If fact, most are hard working individuals trying to make it under circumstances that would break most people. If you didn't know any of this before, now you know.

*The exchange rate today 01/20/2017 is 46.41 to the dollar.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1988744]Sosua is not the best DR location to find the sort of chica you (and I) prefer, but it is doable. Most of the girls are take-the-money and run types. If you apply your philosophy of "keep trying until you get what you want" indiscriminately you could end up wasting a lot of money.

If you like black girls, many ex-pats and repeat visitors have learned to prefer haitianas to dominicanas because of their generally better attitude.[/QUOTE]Mr. CP,

I find it interesting that you are providing the information on Sosua when many of the self promoting experts are saying nothing. Just an observation. But you are dead on about your assessment of the type of women you find in Sosua. But they do serve their purpose.

Now, I've had two Haitians and they fucked good (no doubt about that) but they played way more games with me than the Dominicans. So maybe it was just the type of girls I hooked up with. One was out of Batay in Boca Chica and the other was a Facebook hit here in Santo Domingo. I do prefer black woman (actually as long as they are butter pecan or darker that works for me. But I've found that the dark Dominicans are the best. They are very appreciative because they are neglected by Dominican men. My experience is that they will serve your every need with a smile.

Dominican dudes are conflicted in this area. They want white babies and to be seen with a white girl to increase their street value. But they will will fuck and run on a smoking hot dark Dominican girl in a minute. Grab one and hit the streets with her and she will turn heads everywhere she goes. I find it interesting. Just last night my girl was entering my apartment building ahead of me and a guy that lives in the building tried to talk to her. Then as he was walking away he continued down the hall looking at her ass. He did not see that I observed the entire thing as I was trailing her at a distance because we were unloading stuff from the Gran Jefe mobile.

Just thought I'd share. It never goes well when I post in the Sosua section and simply don't need the grief. I enjoy your posts my man. Keep up the good work!

At Burger King an apple pie is 80 pesos. Take a look below at what 90 pesos can buy you at a Panaderia four blocks away.

An insight into living rich, poor and in between:

Money and status is really not that important to me. What you have had you might miss when you don't have it anymore, but you never have to wonder about what it would have been like. I live in a apartment that costs me $550.00 a month (US Dollars). I didn't use the internet so I don't think I got market price. Only $550 a month and I rent. Can you look at the price that I pay for my apartment and know if I'm rich or am I poor?

Warren Buffet's house is a modest property in Omaha that he purchased in 1958 for just $31,500. Does that mean that everyone in the United States of America that lives in a house that cost more is rich?

He also says: "Success is really doing what you love and doing it well. It's as simple as that. Really getting to do what you love to do everyday. That's really the ultimate luxury. . . Your standard of living is not equal to your cost of living. " By the standards of Warren Buffet I am successful. And so I consider myself in good company. It's been documented that he is rich. That's a fact.

Am I rich? Using the Latin American Standards published by the World Bank. That would be a yes! And depending upon how old the person is asking me the answer would be: "Yes! I am rich Sir. " got to show respect being a newbie and all that.

But I prefer this answer: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFJBd40Awo[/URL].

ROTFLMFAO!

I was wrong.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv063nzZIEk[/URL]

Here is what I know for a fact: You can't define someone in terms of Socioeconomic Status (SES) by giving examples of how much a person spends, what they pay in rent, how many cars they own, or by a persons self-definition simply using a few examples. If you want to do that you better have a lot of data. It's the type of data even years of living here in the Dominican Republic can't give you. Window observations and knowledge of others personal situations are simply interesting antidotes. You can only define someone as Middle Class by how much money they make.

I make reference to the paper: "Economic Mobility and the Rise of the Latin American Middle Class" published by the World Bank in 2013. In Chapter 5 of this report "The Rising Latin American and Middle Class" (page 135) in the section "Who is Middle Class in Latin America and the Caribbean" (page 145) it says "This section which draws on Birdsall (2012). " This a reference with "A Note on the Middle Class" a paper written by Nancy Birdsall in 2012 is heavily relied on in the paper.

The middle class in Latin American is defined as a household income between $10 - $50 (In 2005 US Dollars). To find out how much that would be in today's dollars, scale both the lower number and the higher number up by the US rate of inflation. Can any of you do that for us No? OK, no problem. I got this! Using the US Inflation calculator the range in today's dollars (2016) is: $12.29 - $61.45.

In the report you will find a table that contains the data for the Dominican Republic. It shows that in 2000 26.8% of households were middle class. But in 2008 only 20.4% were. If you have more recent or more accurate data, please present it. Using the information I provided for you here any of you interested in knowing if your friends and neighbors are middle class. All you have to do ask how much MONEY they make each month. Then you divide that by 30. That will give you their daily income. Present this information and after you have done that I am prepared to discuss anything you would like about the Dominican Middle Class.

So, although I might not be able to find the market price of an apartment in Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo Este online. I sure as hell know how to do social science research. Which is a infinitely more interesting subject for me. No need for me to squat, reach around and fling it at my audience or to look out the window and simply ponder for that matter. I've been told I easily confuse my facts and opinions. Really?! This report is straight out a episode of Dragnet: The facts ma'am. Nothing but the facts.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzvRsl4rEM&list=RDsVzvRsl4rEM[/URL]

My Dad thought all that money he paid for my fancy university degree that received from one of the top undergraduate schools that had one of top ten departments in Sociology in the United States of America (at that time and is still ranked number #4) was a waste of money. I wish he was still alive so I could tell him this story. You know the one about how I just intellectually knocked it out the ball park and into the ocean.

And I bet all those middle class women make excellent Non-Pro finds. If I just get out the barrio for a quick minute. Nah. Never happen!

Pro's, Non-Pro's and Novia's.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1995691]When they left I gave my Haitian treat 2000 pesos and a nice dress. Fresh gave his Novia $100 for her $100 for her mother and $200 for her mother to get groceries for his stay when he gets there in two days. He wonders why I don't do Novias or get into meeting their families.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for GrownMan. But the implication is clear. I don't have to wonder. I don't need to read between the lines. The comparison here is stark and clear. The way I see it. It's all about the mother fucking money.

2000 DOP= 42.87 USD*; 100 USD= 4,664 pesos; 400 USD= 18,662 DOP; Wow! And I'm mother fucking Santa Claus? ROTFLMAO! Fresh must a straight 7 figure philanthropist. But I've never been one to comment on how another man spends his money. But I'm quick throw out some figures of relative value. Unfortunately in this case I can't say a damn thing. It's impossible for me to comment on the specific situation that Grownman outlines. Because I use Cost per Orgasm (CPO) as a quantitative comparison of relative value when it comes to busting a nut. And we don't know how many times Fresh busted a nut in order to make the CPO calculation. We also don't know Fresh's ideal CPO budget.

Here is what we know:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1902482]Latest reports show that 4.5 million Dominicans or 45.7% of the population are borderline poor. The report says that 17.1% already live in poverty and 8. 8% in extreme poverty. The UNDP defines poverty as living on an income of between US $4 and US $10 a day. The 2015 report is based on 2014 data. Gentlemen, (using the term very loosely) that is between 184 and 459 pesos a day. Which translates to 5,520 to 13,770 pesos a month.

A prostitute has to fuck 10 times (at 1500 pesos / fuck) before she crosses the "borderline poor" income line out of 13,770 pesos a month. And if she has a child then she would have to double that number to bring both her child and her over that line.[/QUOTE]I don't know if Fresh intended his 18,662 DOP as a monthly payment. Or if it was a special payment in addition to the monthly stipend he gives his novia.

"Rozay, don't you know that pussy worth it" - Scrillix Rick Ross, Purple Lamborghini.

Grownman says she is a Dominican 10. She better be! But you can't always judge a book by it's cover. And we don't know the intangible qualities that she brings to the table. For Fresh they may very well be priceless. It's very easy to handle the entire family wanting to ride your back. You just say no. Early on one of my harem girls wanted additional money to give to her father. I told her that her Father was a grown man like me. And if he needs some money she better give it to him out of what I give to her. Or send him to come talk to me about it. I never heard anything about that ever again.

I prefer my non pros to be students, to have jobs, no kids and no history of slinging pussy on the street. If they have kids she better look to daddy to provide the support she needs. We all like different things and have different budgets.

*Today is February 7, 2017. [URL]XE.com[/URL] has the exchange rate as USD= 46.65 DOP.

Sometimes Mr. Camero's basic idea gets lost in the continual back and forth that goes on the other forums. Every ex-pat does things differently. While some may have chosen to study, do homework, over analyze everything and consult the "Expat Standard Operating Procedure Manual" (whatever the fuck that might be), others choose to take action (having already completed their hard knock life degree in a earlier phase in their lives).

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;2045851]For expats that have made the ultimate move / sacrifice to liquidate almost everything they own, and basically transition themselves from living in the country they resided in almost all of their lives, they arent criminals or unsavory characters trying to escape from the law or duty; I call that the ultimate example of someone not stuck in any zone, but a major accomplishment in life. A life changer.[/QUOTE]Yes, Mr. Wrx2005. They live their lives in a linear fashion making course corrections along the way and are not worried about what others think, do, or say here in this forum. We are here to share not to judge or be critical. Living in the Dominican Republic gives you the opportunity to: "Do what you like!" (within the law of course). But you actually have to live there right? These are MY experiences and opinions and in no way do they invalidate or challenge anyone else's.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;2045239]Are all Dominicans alike?[/QUOTE]Of course not!

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;2045239]It never ceases to amaze me when I speak about some of my experiences with Dominican women with other Dominican women the response is always "todas las mujeres no son iguales" in the beginning I didn't have a come back but now I say " yo se pero la mayoria son similar. .[/QUOTE]I have some common ground with you here. But since all individuals are different, drawing conclusions for an entire group of individuals simply using anecdotal examples is difficult (it's the quantitative social scientist in me). But I do see patterns. And after a while your pattern recognition software accumulates enough data to recognize that "hanging curve ball" and knock it out of the park. I've read where others have referred to "finding the diamond in the rough". Yes, it certainly is possible but you got to have a great screening system, be patient and run them through to do it. You can't find a diamond if you are not moving a lot of dirt. LOL!

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;2045239]I have been giving this issue a lot of thought. Much of my time outside of chicas is spent with other extranjeros specifically ex pats who live here and the majority of us have the same types of experiences however it seems that there are several factors that determine what type of experience we will have.[/QUOTE]I learned the hard way to keep to myself and pretty much stay away from ex pats who lived there and my biggest mistake was associating with a very specific group that I met at a party about a year after I was there.

Since then I have watched my associations more closely and met several high quality expats from my country of origin and others that have extensive travel experiences. Most have dramatically different backgrounds from me. But we are all on the same wavelength when it comes to actually experiencing different cultures and being men of action. We share a common viewpoint on our life experiences in the Dominican Republic. They were my crew of trusted advisers while in country and continue to offer up good advice now that I have left. Interestingly enough, we all came to our conclusions about living in the Dominican Republic independently of each other by actually living there (no homework needed) and they all dovetail like the joints on high quality woodwork.

Since you set the parameters Mr Camaro, I will follow your criteria in my analysis:

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;2045239]1. Family background, is it a two parent household and what role does the father play in the family? Is the family religious and to what degree do they practice their religion? Since the first set of values comes from the family I find this to be very important.[/QUOTE]Pattern I have viewed: The vast majority of Dominican males don't handle their "man" business. Please note I said "vast majority". There are a small number (very small number) that handle their business and their family responsibilities, but they are in the minority. And no I'm not chalking it up to Latin culture or Dominican culture. Handling your business and taking care of your responsibilities is a universal male trait. The ones that are taking care of their families, their business, and still managing to get it in on a regular basis, hats off to them.

The highest quality Dominican males that I interacted with while living there were doctors, followed by military and law enforcement professionals of high rank. I also met one engineer and one business owner and they never tried to rip me off. Always gave me good advice and gave me insight into how the actual Dominican Republic operated on on a day to day life level and culturally. This has been my personal experience. So, I didn't / wouldn't use family background as an evaluation factor when it comes to my girls.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;2045239]2. Socio economic class, Dominican society is similar to American society in that there is a upper class, middle class, working class and poor class. The difference between the Dominican Republic and the United States is that in the Dominican Republic is the disparity between the classes is much greater. What I have personally discovered is that if a woman in working my interaction with her is generally different than if she is not.[/QUOTE]This happens to be an area of scholarly expertise and personal interest. In my country of origin it's all about the (expletive deleted) money. Studies show that there is greater wealth inequality in the United States of America than in another country in the world and this wealth inequality is even greater than income inequality.

That being said a girl working a regular job or not working in the Dominican Republic can make a difference but I have not found it to be so. It's much more about the personality of the girl. And if she is materialistic or if she is being stretched thin because her family is riding on her back then she can be just a much of a money grabbing hustler similar to ones constantly being discussed working the streets of your favorite puta pueblos (Boca Chica and Sosua). Personally, I've found that having a job or not doesn't necessarily make a difference. Because the are all hustlers (just a matter of degree) and survivors. The type of personality that the girl has is much more important.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;2045239]3. Level of education is very important also, I have met women in their late 20's who have not completed high school due to pregnancy, being married or other circumstances of life. There is a direct correlation between education and success in life regardless as to what country you are from. I realize there are many college educated Dominicans that are unemployed but those who have not completed high school have less hope for the future.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised to read this statement. You can find at any number of multi-millionaires or in some cases billionaires that are here in the United States of America that don't have high levels of formal education. That being said, this a another area that did not factor at all into my experiences or qualifications with my girls. Even in the Dominican Republic I met girls in the age classifications you described going to school and trying to advance their careers and economic prospects. One of the thing that seem to be unique is there no stigma on taking classes no matter what age you happen to be. I attended classes at APEC taking Spanish at the university level. I helped girls with their homework from their English classes (the only homework I need to do at this point in my life). I've also accompanying them to classes on their various campuses. My perception is that education is highly valued and most (not all) understood that developing and improving the skills most demanded by employers was the key to their economic advancement. Cause there weren't any Dominican males around to do it. Once again it was all about the individual personality of the girl and what they were trying to achieve. Were they playing the cards they were dealt in the best way they could? Or were they unmotivated and not trying to make anything of themselves?

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;2045239]My conclusion is that if I only deal with Dominican women from broken families of low socio-economic status who are uneducated I will generally get the same results. Admittedly the majority of my experiences are similar, but when I have different experiences with Dominican women it is likely due to one of the 3 above factors. Although it is difficult stepping outside my comfort zone I am enjoying the challenge.[/QUOTE]My conclusion: I've got a Ivy league education, I come from a two parent household, and according to Latin american standards I'm rich! But that's not the first thing you see when you meet me. I never really like being judged based on superficial factors. And I've got a very big one that's quite visible for all to see.

I went with a strictly performance based system. Because when you are actually living in the Dominican Republic (instead of talking to others continually about it) you can "Do what you like". I didn't use Mr. Camaro's factors when evaluating, analyzing and reviewing experiences with my girls. And although those factors can be important and there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at things from that perspective, I found that they were not important to me. And quite honestly why would I? I didn't need to study Harem Construction and Management 101. I didn't need to do any home work. I didn't ask anyone any questions about how to do it. It was MY harem and I built my team for me. I just did it!

I evaluated my girls first on their performance with me: How did they treated me? What they did for me? How they communicated with me? How available they were? And kept my expense ledger updated (got to know your CPO). I tallied up the report card with my qualitative and quantitative criteria. That's how they earned their spot on the roster and I placed in them in line up accordingly. The best girls got the best deals.

Mr. Camaro, I would like to hear how the different factors you outlined have actually played into your interactions with different girls on the island and effected your experiences. Do you consider your girls pros, semi-pros or non-pros? Do you even use those classifications? Why or why not? Others have pointed out that not all Dominican girls are "fucking for money". Have you found that to be the case also? Others have said "they are not impressed when a women refuses or does not ask for money". What has been your experiences along those lines?

You said it best Mr. Camaro "Every ex-pat has to do what is best for them". Real talk brother! And as always I enjoy your contributions to the forum!

May the pussy be with you!

On day before my last day in the Dominican Republic I needed a little taste to remember my time in country. On my last day, while passing through SDQ, I stopped by the Duty Free shop to compare prices. Sexy Dominicans were offering more tastes in cute outfits and their soothing Latina accents. Their English wasn't too good. But nice eye candy and their accents were lovely.

For a 700 ML bottle of Barcelo Gran Anejo I paid 375 DOP.

For a 700 ML bottle of Brugal XV Ron Reserva I paid 435 DOP.

In the duty free store they wanted 15 USD for each bottle. You can always save a little money when you are not on the tourist economy. Nearly three years of actually living in the Dominican Republic taught me a few things. LOL!

Hello all,

I have enjoyed reading all of the threads in this particular forum and hope to being some more discussion on developing relationships with non-pros etc.

I am an experienced SD here in the states in a Big Ten college town, and lately have been enjoying the idea of developing those relationships in sunnier, warmer climates. I do feel it is important to disclose that I am inexperienced when it comes to mongering on an international level. I would like to learn other cultures, and experience them with women whose lives I can contribute to in not only financial ways, but in a relationship that is both encouraging and educating to them (and myself). I have no interest in staying in all-inclusive resorts and spending time with pros. I would much rather assist in helping a few young women in obtaining a better lifestyle, expose them to finer things in life. And truly experience those countries I visit. I have been told my longer term SD / SB relationships here in the states have been extremely beneficial to the women I spend time with by increasing their self-esteem, self worth and goals in life.

Hell, I am most likely naive to think that a 36 year old successful white dude from the midwest can have that kind of impact on a woman in the DR. That said, I'm not scared to try. I just need help finding the woman in the situation I am looking for. I have started a little bit in discussions with women on cupid, and would appreciate some advice on distinguishing pros from non-pros. When it comes to the cultural dynamics of male / female relationships in the DR, this particular forum has been helpful.

Again, my goal here is to help encourage discussion for those of us who want more than a "wham bam thank you ma'am" on our travels to the DR, and really cultivate BFE / GFE experiences on our travels.

Thank you, and Happy New Year to you all.

[QUOTE=Almond812;2124601]Hello all,

I have enjoyed reading all of the threads in this particular forum and hope to being some more discussion on developing relationships with non-pros etc.[/QUOTE]Welcome Mr. Almond. My apologies for your having to wade through the off topic subjects and grown men having the written version of an apoplectic fit while replying to my posts. I'll bring my editing tools to bear with greater precision during redevelopment of the subject.

It would seem that some simply cannot handle being presented with a different world view. Even though they have entire sections in which to talk about prostitution as a method of having sex with girls, there seems to be a visceral reaction when the idea is presented that there are other ways to going about banging out the hot sexy girls (younger and older) that reside on the island.

[QUOTE=Almond812;2124601]I am an experienced SD here in the states in a Big Ten college town, and lately have been enjoying the idea of developing those relationships in sunnier, warmer climates. I do feel it is important to disclose that I am inexperienced when it comes to mongering on an international level. I would like to learn other cultures, and experience them with women whose lives I can contribute to in not only financial ways, but in a relationship that is both encouraging and educating to them (and myself). I have no interest in staying in all-inclusive resorts and spending time with pros. I would much rather assist in helping a few young women in obtaining a better lifestyle, expose them to finer things in life. And truly experience those countries I visit. I have been told my longer term SD / SB relationships here in the states have been extremely beneficial to the women I spend time with by increasing their self-esteem, self worth and goals in life.[/QUOTE]Your experience is welcome here. I too spent a great deal of time roaming through the sugar world in the east, southwest and southern California. You goals are well within reach if you are willing to put in a little time to tighten up your language skills and shed the toxic outer shell those from the United States (including myself initially) arrive with. Finally, stay out of the puta pueblos where so many sexual tourists and sex pats tend to congregate. If you initial efforts do not get your balls off to your satisfaction, you can always fall back to those locations.

Remember prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. You can find a prostitute, fuck a prostitute and pay a prostitute. Now, there are those that seem to want to make it more complicated than that. But, I've been to a few of the puta pueblos and I'll let you in on a secret: there is not much more to it than that.

[QUOTE=Almond812;2124601]Hell, I am most likely naive to think that a 36 year old successful white dude from the midwest can have that kind of impact on a woman in the DR. That said, I'm not scared to try. I just need help finding the woman in the situation I am looking for. I have started a little bit in discussions with women on cupid, and would appreciate some advice on distinguishing pros from non-pros. When it comes to the cultural dynamics of male / female relationships in the DR, this particular forum has been helpful.[/QUOTE]Pro / Semi Pro / Non Pro.

The differences are razor thin in Republica Dominicana. Only you can define those differences and what works for you. For example, there are girls who will travel to a puta pueblo in order to make money for (put reason here). They keep it secret and don't want anyone to find out. Others, make no bones about it it. And that is how they are paying for how they like to live and how they help out the others they are providing financial life support for in their lives. Others fuck for money when they have a one time expense (supplies to get the kids prepared for school, money for gifts end of year, insert any number of other reasons here). Others engage in what has been referred to as "girl game". That is getting as many men as possible to provide financial support for them by any means necessary.

Where would you put each of these girls in my examples on the scale? The question is rhetorical. Rather than getting in to the labels, I suggest that making a list of your standards and then sticking with them "holding frame" so to speak. That will be the key to your success! Not anything any of us say here. Your dick! Your money! Do what you like my brother!

[QUOTE=Almond812;2124601]Again, my goal here is to help encourage discussion for those of us who want more than a "wham bam thank you ma'am" on our travels to the DR, and really cultivate BFE / GFE experiences on our travels.

Thank you, and Happy New Year to you all.[/QUOTE]A most worthy goal Mr. Almond. One that I support!

And if I say so myself (and I do). I have a lot to contribute. With well over 1000 RONs (remain over nights) in Santo Domingo Este and other parts of Republica Dominicana not even my haters can continue to contest my qualifications to comment on the subject matter at hand.

Yes, I arrived first class to a throng of greeters at SDQ. The thunderous applause was deafening and took me by total surprise. I have to say that I was quite the experience being greeted and picked up at the airport. That's right! I live on a island. I got the sun in my face and the ocean for a view. I fuck hot girls anytime I like. It's not a dream. It's not a rap video gentleman. It's my life. So don't hate, make of your mind to participate.

Happy motherfucking New Year!

Welcome back.

[QUOTE=Prtyr2;2135618]Try, boga boga, don pepe, sofia, asadero argentino, david crockett. Have a churrasco at don pinchos.[/QUOTE]This is real information! If I'm able to get a Uber I might just check some of them out. Nah, why do that? I'll just take the gran jefe mobile and arrive in style with a smoking hot chica riding shotgun. LOL. Just pass me the hooka!