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Here's something you gotta understand about the sponsorship. These girls are, for all intents and purposes, pros. They're just more selective about their clientelle, and usually more expensive than your average NF-type girls. Very few are actually interested in finding a single guy, and receiving the paltry $3,000 / month or whatever it is they quote. If you're not careful, they'll take you for a ride for all you've got, and you'll get nothing but a few rounds of sex in return.

As I have a very good insight into the mindset, here's what their MO is. They sit around and look for suitable candidates on the internet, trying to gauge their financial ability and gullibility. More often than not, if they're not meeting you right away but continuing to talk, it simply means their schedules are booked for now, and they're keeping you for after they say goodbye to their current mark. Once they meet you, they hope to be taken around town on your dime, and maybe get a little present or two - a nice bag, a pair of shoes, a watch, etc. Then they get some cash for some sex, or maybe not even that if you're a complete dolt; and after that they'll usually switch to the next prospect.

This is a business with an established process. The word gets around, girls talk to each other, rumors float, they all hear about this idiot or the other who gave some girl a Cartier watch and she didn't even fuck him, a billionaire who bought some girl an apartment and a Beamer, and so on. That's what these girls are looking for.

So, keep all that in mind. Be careful. There's a lot more deceit going on than with your freebies, or with your regular pros. Whatever you do, don't spend a lot of cash on these girls, and don't buy them things. Remember, the whole thing is nothing but a prolonged sales process - you've got the money, she's got the goods, and you're trying to agree on the compensation package. Be smart. Don't delude yourself, and don't get taken for a ride.

I agree completely with what you are saying…

I just tried a different way. If I can get laid for some nights at the same price… who cares? No hassle no chasing… even if I buy her some fine Italian underwear, a dinner, and a drink, it will be not more than 80 €. It what I’m spending to get to NF and a lot of drinks and taxi..

I’ll try, and see what happens. I know well what’s happening there and I already found girls asking for 500 y.e. (for saying it in Russian) for a couple of hours… I’m not that type. But I want to try and see myself. I do not think it is risky!

I had in the last weeks (I do not live in Moscow) a lot of contacts. Specially three/four interesting. If it is overpriced I’ll turn to regulars I have some numbers (you can see pics in pic. section). No problem at all!

In any case your suggestion is very welcome!
Thanks 109!

By the way if you have some interesting pro giving CIM… make me a PM! Since some years they are less..

Thanks
IT

Sorry my last e-mail was not complete…

For speaking on the two girls for vacation (never met) my conditions are obvious: some meetings in Moscow BEFORE. All six holes included, and I’m not speaking on golf! Should be nine at least!

Of course you can get a problem. When you are on holiday in the location.

But this is up to you character… I should just (as I did with a Tatar girl see my report) throw them out of the door (i.e. flight tickets in the toilet). I am not afraid for this. I do not think, if you are really open and transparent, that this is a problem with Russian girls. Of course problems can happen (drunk etc…).

I’ll like to try.

Verify if it is as I suppose (no evidence, clear!) pros are like taxis, here you are renting a car (of course you have to fuel it too, not only with cum!).

IT

PS
CIM girls in Moscow (tested) are still welcome. I only know two, and I would like to change.
I will brief all you when I'm back...

Congrats 109 ... really a proper sermon ..why are men so stupid not to understand it straight!

Great Words of wisdom, However, Our life is sometimes so unpredictable or choatic..that our best plans and safer methods would not work..in the situations that we would be in....

I don't think we control more than 50 percent of our lifes and the rest is controlled by say whatever "external forces" "god" "mother nature" .

We could not be sure what we are going to do is right or wroung, untill the external forces take the judgement...

I think it would be unnecesary, to think soo much about one plans to do somthing which is good or bad.....or anything..as we do not have control of our life 100 percent...

Its crazy...but i allowed sometimes to be fooled by a pro or a freebie..just to see the length of ways that would go on to fool or out-smart a customer...yeah...i get quite bored of sex some time and would like to feel the neccesities of women :)...to do what i would not...or what makes them think cheat a customer for few extra bucks...

Believe me its nothing...sometimes they just can't get rid of there illusory feeling of winning a deal from the customers or its just a feeling of making that extra 100 bucks out of nothing....or at best its just the way it is...

Think of it..if you dare to go beyond ....even if they fool 100 ISG guys for 100 bucks each....it won't make any difference to there life's......they would at the most eat at a good restaurent. ..buy a good shoe or dress..or send few extra dollar to there home ...in short..they spend there money here and there..they do not have any long term or constructive plans with that money...in my opinion they are just incapable of doing anything with the money they cheat ....thats it...

They would never will or im yet to hear a pro or a freebie ....thinking about long term goals or investing in a stock market or making a ***** fund pool or something for there future...with the cheated money.....or with anything....

They are most of the time thinking about today than tommarow...They just dream of a good time..but don't know how to get it ....so they just being impulsive or out of compulsity or desire...go for cheating...or whatever....

But ultimately what i found was, it did not made much of a difference to me or to the girls who cheated me ....i see them on the same site, same location ..same everything about them...wonder..were all there cheating skills took them...

After going through this drill of sort of analysing women on there cheating skills ...or making me feel that. i being outdone or simply i lost it out or i could have being more smarter or anything that would make me more proud of my smartness. i have reached a point where......

im now quite happy with the way it is....im not taking things too seriously about getting cheated by a women for not being so causious....guys believe me in this....if you free your mind from the feeling that you are getting cheated or whatever....i assure you ...that your sexual intensity will be 1000 percent more than it is right now....you will feel like you are blessed with sex or something..yeahh...it would be true bliss of sort...


Now i see women in different light, lets she cheats me or not .....I GIVE A DAMM !! ....as i now know fully well ....she and me .....ain't going no were ...lets she be the smart ass and i be the dumb ass....i get what i want and no one's gonna stop me and thats SEX.....

I am very sorry to all of you…

I perhaps, not voluntarily, started a polemic on sponsorship….

My objective is just renting long term girls for sex, sex, sex and truly some nice GFE…

I have no idea of what other’s experiences are… surely I am not sending money by Western Union or getting them to expensive shops…

Of course I will get something. i.e. for one girl I brought a very sexy lingerie all coordinated with stockings. Black and Silver (with her black hair and light eyes it will be interesting to see) but it was up to 48 €! An I have rented her for a complete weekend. From Friday afternoon to Monday noon. I hope that my extra cost will be mostly on Viagra.

I just see (my vision of course!) sponsorship like a different way of getting a pro in the bed for making sex. Of course I think they are “b i t c h e s” like one for sale by hour… They just have less customer.

I agree totally when you all say that often thy find dumb men sending money etc. etc. Same in Thailand I have red. But It is the same to go to a night club or a strip club and put 200-300 € for a girl. With the same amount of money you can fuck one all the night!

This is just my opinion. But of course My be I am wrong and these girls are there just for getting you shopping and shopping and restaurant and restaurant… They will be fired immediately, but not before a heavy anal treatment!

I am just try to joke with sexy girls… I do not want to take this questions to seriously. The girl I have rented is at, for the weekend, 700 USD (three nights, two days, and Monday morning). It’s not more than the normal 200/300 tariff… If I spend a couple of franklins in bars etc. no problem!
IT

I always like reading what you have to say 109. Girls who say I am a non pro who takes money for sex always makes me chuckle. Of course there is a difference between a girl who spends every night at the local disco/p4p pickup place and a girl turning one or two tricks a month for rent/food. That is why we have pro and semi pro.

Here is just a general note to all you US citizens looking to relive the young glory sex days of your life. Or experience some things you never got to in your life - You do realize you can find a US college cutie to sponsor for around 1-4k/month. Of course this might be easier in college cities like Boston or NYC but that is where I spend most of my time. So you could actually find yourself in a bit of a paradox. Why go to Moscow and deal with a hardened pro when you can stay in the US with a 18-20 year old college cutie. ;)

[QUOTE=One O Nine]Here's something you gotta understand about the sponsorship. These girls are, for all intents and purposes, pros. They're just more selective about their clientelle, and usually more expensive than your average NF-type girls. Very few are actually interested in finding a single guy, and receiving the paltry $3,000 / month or whatever it is they quote. If you're not careful, they'll take you for a ride for all you've got, and you'll get nothing but a few rounds of sex in return.

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So, keep all that in mind. Be careful. There's a lot more deceit going on than with your freebies, or with your regular pros. Whatever you do, don't spend a lot of cash on these girls, and don't buy them things. Remember, the whole thing is nothing but a prolonged sales process - you've got the money, she's got the goods, and you're trying to agree on the compensation package. Be smart. Don't delude yourself, and don't get taken for a ride.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Johnie White]Well, finally I’m in Moscow! I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:

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Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.[/QUOTE]

I am very sorry but in Your link I can just see a pic of a girl (changing every time i click)...

Is it a pay site as I suppose?

IT

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Watch out for this spam.


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Well, finally I’m in Kiev. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:

[url]http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom[/url] (real pics!!!)

Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend."[/QUOTE]

The link and content are not mine. Sorry for the confusion. I am just pointing out that some person posted the same message on the Kiev and Moscow board - obviously not up to any good.

I am shocked, shocked to find that spamming is going on here!
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Hello everybody,

I have a view questions for my trip to Moscow end of April 2006.

First of all I have seen lot's of information on Tochka locations and apartments but what would be the best choice? What I am looking for is an apartment (With no hassle from the owner/operator to bring girls and trouble with the neighbors concerning noise) and close to a Tochka Line-up. I prefer within walking distance so I would not have to bother with taxis. If combined the apartment and Tochka close together and maybe a good bar in the neighborhood my trip will be super.

Does anybody have experience with the apartments from Rick [url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url]

Many thanks for the info.

Chris

[QUOTE=Chris Coop]Does anybody have experience with the apartments from Rick [url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url]

Chris[/QUOTE]Yes, I do have experience with this, I've stayed in his apartments 4 or 5 times last year. It always worked out well, and Rick is it seems reliable, but if you don't have nerves of steel, I would look elsewhere. (Friends, please correct me if something has changed this year)

The reason is that Rick's communication is like a black hole. I've usually received information after mailing twice and calling three times. He's always had an apartment for me waiting, but he made me believe that he was working for two weeks throwing out other guests to make room for me in the very last second, if you know what I mean.

Twice I had him arrange visa for me. Big mistake. I've received the necessary papers so late that I had to go for an overnight application to be in time for my trip.
You might ask why did I do it a second time. Well, he was on a short holiday the first time and I thought that his office didn't care while he was gone. Now I know that his office was (used to be - there were changes) more effective than the man himself.
The real reason I used his service quite a few times was that most of his old apartments were just 5 minutes on foot from my office - and that's great if you know Moscow traffic. These old apartments are not so nice, but good quality by Russian standards. The new apartments (the ones he took over from CAT) are much better looking and usually are a better starting point for nights out.

So to sum up. I would recommend going for Rick if you really don't mind getting last-minute information - as I said: in my case in the end it always worked out.

Chris,

You may have read the forum a lot but you did seem to miss the point that tochkas are mobile and dont often stay in the same place for long. So getting an apartment anyway within the garden ring is fine... I've walked to tochkas before too, but generally you will have to take a taxi. Taxi is almost unavoidable in Moscow if you want to see much.

As for Rick's apartments, they are ok. Every apartment is girl-friendly, noise is never a problem.

Hi Guys,

I am chatting to many girls on line in Moscow and have many web sites for pro action, my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I would probably (for safety reasons) stay in a hotel as opposed to an apartment.

The horror stories I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed.

What can you guys on the ground, tell me about this situation and how dangerous is it for a sole tourist to travel there for a few weeks?

Thanks in advance for your help and any contributions on the subject as this is the only area of my trip I need to fully understand before I book it.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Chris,

You may have read the forum a lot but you did seem to miss the point that tochkas are mobile and dont often stay in the same place for long. So getting an apartment anyway within the garden ring is fine... I've walked to tochkas before too, but generally you will have to take a taxi. Taxi is almost unavoidable in Moscow if you want to see much.

As for Rick's apartments, they are ok. Every apartment is girl-friendly, noise is never a problem.[/QUOTE]