General Info

[QUOTE=Dixan]Hello All,

I visited Saudi three times in the last year (arrival/departure: Jeddah airport) and my IT stuff was never scanned. Actually I was surprised to read about this porn check here.

I have a question: If I use a software, to create a virtual, encrypted drive on my notebook HDD or external HDD for porn storage, could it be a safe solution?
May they become suspicious on finding an encrypted file and asking the password to open it/map it to scan the content? And what if I say I don't know what is that file or what is the password to map it? May I be forced in any way to disclose the password?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if they can force you to give up a password, but keep in mind that no matter how encrypted your HDD may be, there's always some computer whiz that can decrypt it. If a law enforcement agency deems it suspicious enough, there may be little you can do to prevent it being thoroughly checked.

Best bet is to have no trace of porn on anything you bring in or leave a country and dispose/store it away as soon as you don't need it when you're in the country. Another thing you can do is disguise an external device as something you can simply carry on and off the airplane without hassle, but the device may trigger a buzzer if it contains a suspicious material, like metal.

Now guys, I know this is KSA and life can be tough and hard to find suitable pussy but my observations as follwos

1. Try harder, be nice, smile and hang around hospitals as though you are injured - you do meet a few cuties that way. malls can be fun also just takes more patience
2. Many girls on DIA etc are much chubbier than the picture so I always insist on cam first-if you do meet them without a cam first have a getaway plan....especially if they are 10-20kgs heavier than they said they were!!!
3. Some of the cuter and sexier ones are located in way out places like Hail, Qatif, Abha - why do they tease us so much :D
4. I have a major love of Filipinas and so far have been looked after, some in pigtails and schoolie outfit, some airline girls who just want a respectable older man (well I am until their clothes are off :D)...just takes patience

Had nice meeting with Maximusbibicus, great guy lots of energy and once I get sorted we will party albeit very discretely.

Met with my old mate Makhu as well - we end up discussing the merits of Filipina pussy (a topic close to both our hearts) and agreed many nurses etc here eat too much, dont exercise and their photos give a false impression - and I am not in any way a chubby chaser but happy to help those who are. Hence my planned trip to PI is coming soon (Max - come with me you will enjoy)

So they is life here if you are patient, try hard, smile, be a gentleman until you are naked.....

[QUOTE=Dixan]I have a question: If I use a software, to create a virtual, encrypted drive on my notebook HDD or external HDD for porn storage, could it be a safe solution?
May they become suspicious on finding an encrypted file and asking the password to open it/map it to scan the content? And what if I say I don't know what is that file or what is the password to map it? May I be forced in any way to disclose the password?[/QUOTE]TrueCrypt has a solution to this exact problem:
[url]http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/[/url]

Look in left hand column,
-Introduction
-Beginner's Tutorial
-Plausible Deniability
-[b]Hidden Volume[/b]

I quote:
[i]It may happen that you are forced by somebody to reveal the password to an encrypted volume. There are many situations where you cannot refuse to reveal the password (for example, due to extortion). Using a so-called hidden volume allows you to solve such situations without revealing the password to your volume.
...
Important: When an adversary asks you to mount an outer volume, you, of course, must not mount the outer volume with the hidden volume protection enabled. You must mount it as a normal volume (and then TrueCrypt will not show the volume type "Outer" but "Normal"). Note that during the time when an outer volume is mounted with the hidden volume protection enabled, the adversary can find out that a hidden volume exists within the outer volume (he/she will be able to find it out until the volume is dismounted).[/i]
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Basically, besides a bunch of normal files in the encrypted volume, you create ANOTHER encrypted volume within the standard encrypted volume. As pointed out, as TrueCrypt free space looks like random data, it is not possible to tell the difference between free space and encrypted data.

Two different passwords are used. You reveal the standard password. It shows the files you've encrypted. The hidden volume does not show up in the file list. Only by entering the 2nd password can you open this hidden volume that contains the "real" files.

Just make sure you stick a bunch of "reasonable" files in the standard volume - tax returns are a good example, company documents another.

Only trouble is if there are few files in the standard volume and the total volume size is large - that might raise suspicions about the existence of a hidden volume. Just say it's free space, for growth, as it's not possible to increase the volume size once the volume has been created.

Of course, they will know that you have something there, but proving it is another matter, as long as you can hold to your story.

If they insist, just ask them to copy the "reasonable files" to an unencrypted area, and delete the encrypted volume. Yes, you lose your porn, but save your money.

I've always used the encrypted file container method, rather than a full disk encryption. But a full disk is possible.

Or you could skip bringing in the porn :)

Wicked R!

Are you in KSA? I've been here (from Ukraine) since January.

I joked with pals I was going to 'sex & alcohol' prison.

Arrived at the Boudil Hotel in riyahd and look what I found near the 'lift'. Ha ha

I've solved the one problem. Now working on the 2nd!

Looking to get paroled soon.

LS

Thanks WR,

Indeed it was a pleasure meeting you.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Now guys, I know this is KSA and life can be tough and hard to find suitable pussy but my observations as follwos

1. Try harder, be nice, smile and hang around hospitals as though you are injured. You do meet a few cuties that way. Malls can be fun also just takes more patience

2. Many girls on DIA etc are much chubbier than the picture so I always insist on cam first-if you do meet them without a cam first have a getaway plan. Especially if they are 10-20kgs heavier than they said they were!

3. Some of the cuter and sexier ones are located in way out places like Hail, Qatif, Abha. Why do they tease us so much

4. I have a major love of Filipinas and so far have been looked after, some in pigtails and schoolie outfit, some airline girls who just want a respectable older man (well I am until their clothes are off). Just takes patience

Had nice meeting with Maximusbibicus, great guy lots of energy and once I get sorted we will party albeit very discretely.

Met with my old mate Makhu as well. We end up discussing the merits of Filipina pussy (a topic close to both our hearts) and agreed many nurses etc here eat too much, don't exercise and their photos give a false impression. And I am not in any way a chubby chaser but happy to help those who are. Hence my planned trip to PI is coming soon (Max. Come with me you will enjoy)

So they is life here if you are patient, try hard, smile, be a gentleman until you are naked.[/QUOTE]

Hello, well, holidaying now outside the internet deadzone (I. E. Outside the middle east) giving me access to a vital. Resource.

Wanted to add some info on the "Magic Kingdom", the biggest emotional void ever encountered. But, living close to Bahrain, there's an escape route; at least for the weekends. So, how to get laid in Saudi?

Backdrop:

Any alcohol even alcohol containing products such as real Tiramisu cake or licour pralines are prohibited. Women are usually veiled; if they show their faces it means they are expats. Women are not allowed to drive. Companies are either 100% male OR 100% female. No mixing whatsoever at the work place. Except Aramco which isn't really Saudi. Nobody, not even Saudis can sit together with females unless married. Eateries, restaurants, sports venues have separate areas and entrances for single men and families/women. Should you ever be invited to a house you'll NEVER see your host's wive. Small children ok, teenage daughters or wives out of the question. Even holding hands in public is a big no no. Secret and Religious police is everywhere. Yet, young men and women alike as well as expats are bored to death. Naturally. This creates opportunities, howerver extremely risky. In other words: don't even think of going near a Saudi woman unless you want to get yourself into trouble, I. E. Deported or worse (usually for the woman. That "honour killing thing" you know.)

Anyway, potential avenues are (if you have the energy to follow through which I don't because of the proximity to Bahrain):

1) go to hospitals. Invent some illness or whatever excuse to go there regular. You'll meet unveiled women, nurses, doctors etc., usually philipinas but also Indians and similar. My observation: not many attractive ladies, a lot of them rather grumpy. But it depends on the hospital I guess.

2) Shopping malls and supermarkets: wander around the isles. Some philipina or other asian expat girl (maids, care takers, nurses etc) might show interest. You'll notice, e. G. Looks, lingering beside you when checking out the stacked shelfs. Just use common sense. It happend twice to me in a space of 6 months but I wasn't interested (I rather pay for quality then getting an ugly bird for free).

3) living on compounds with lots of western expats: they have their parties, do their own booze. Quite a few single women. Drawback: usually old and rather not attractive, yet single or divorced. But not for me.

4) If you believe you must live on the edge or don't care getting deported or worse: Wander around fancy malls (doesn't work if you're posted in some small crap town. Just bad luck for ya) and have your blue tooth mobile switched on. Sit down somewhere, scan what's close to you and try to make contact that way. It is possible (remember, the boredom.) to get in touch with a saudi woman. It will be long winded and meeting up will be an impossible challenge. And it is extremely risky for both. Not my cup of tea.

5) Equally risky: meet up with the wrong folks, e. G. Indians/Bangladeshis who pimp out girls illegally. There is an undercurrent in Saudi, you bet. But it is risky. Sometimes these undertakings get busted.

Anyway, 1) to 5) are there but as I said before I haven't tried any of them because I just couldn't be asked or targets worthwhile enough to pursue werent' around.

Substitute: porn. Different ways and risks had been discussed before. Here's an idea: download the hot stuff outside Saudi, compress it into chunks using any free zip tool such as 7zip. Open some hotmail, yahoo and Gmail accounts and create some draft emails with chunks attached. You'll need a few accounts because you can only store so many draft emails with attachments. Check out what's possible with each. No need to send them to yourself, eh? In Saudi, "harvest" the chunks from your email accounts and stick 'them back together using that zipping tool. It's a bit tedious, but you'll have enough time for it anyway. This way there's no need for encryption or whatever trying to smuggle it through on your laptop's hard drive. Let them scan it. They won't find a thing on it. Mind you, don't forget to delete the stuff from your hard drive before crossing borders. So far I haven't had my laptop checked but this to happen is only a question of 'when'.

Bottomline: if you're close to places that get you out of Saudi where fun can be had, save your energy and money for those. If you're posted out in the sticks (e. G. Drill hole in the middle of the desert) just suck it up until you get out. If you do live in big cities, Jeddah is easiest for it is the most tolerant place in Saudi. Dammam/Khobhar or Riyadh offer avenues 1) to 5).

Happy Hunting & don't be stupid. It's not worth it.

PS: u'll find plenty of typos. Good for ya 'because you can keep 'them.

[QUOTE=Tomwannabe]Any alcohol even alcohol containing products such as real Tiramisu cake or licour pralines are prohibited.[/QUOTE]I used to believe this, too, but I've since found out it's not entirely accurate. You can get alcohol-containing products in Saudi Arabia, like hair cream, mouth wash, disinfectant, etc. Bringing it into the country is possible but much more dangerous than it's worth, IMO. However almost every compound makes its own alcohol. You can always find it at the parties there.

[quote]Women are usually veiled; if they show their faces it means they are expats.[/QUOTE]No it doesn't. I've seen unveiled Saudis. I've met unveiled Saudis and gone out on dates with them and their unveiled friends and met all of their unveiled sisters. In public.

[quote]No mixing whatsoever at the work place. Except Aramco which isn't really Saudi.[/QUOTE]This really depends on the workplace. Hospitals and clinics for instance have mixed staff. So do all the airlines that operate within the country, including Nas, Sama, and Saudi Airlines. The university I used to work at was a mixed campus though there was segregation by building.

[quote]Should you ever be invited to a house you'll NEVER see your host's wive. Small children ok, teenage daughters or wives out of the question.[/QUOTE]Not true. Actually I was shocked at first when a Saudi family invited me to tutor their children and this included sessions with the pubescent daughter where she and I sat alone together in a room with a closed door for 2 hours a day with no supervision. It's rare that you'll see the wife but in more liberal families you may.

[quote] Even holding hands in public is a big no no.[/QUOTE]I've seen people do it at the malls.

[quote] don't even think of going near a Saudi woman unless you want to get yourself into trouble, I. E. Deported or worse[/QUOTE]oh, please. Yes, it's risky. But don't even think about it? Are the muttawa policing people's thoughts now? I've talked to several Saudi girls in public. Been out on dates with 4 of them. Had 2 over to my apartment. Had crazy phone sex with another. And chat with dozens online every day. Every Saudi male who has never read the book before will tell you that "Girls of Riyadh" is full of lies, but in my experience the book was actually pretty tame compared to the reality.

[quote]Anyway, potential avenues are (if you have the energy to follow through which I don't because of the proximity to Bahrain)[/QUOTE]So in other words, you haven't done any of this and are talking out of your ass. Well, just so we're clear, there's not actually anything wrong with that. Hearsay and rumor can be better than no information at all as long as you're up front with the fact that that's what it is.

[quote]2) Shopping malls and supermarkets: wander around the isles. Some philipina or other asian expat girl (maids, care takers, nurses etc) might show interest.[/QUOTE]I get looks all the time, and more of them from locals than from expats. They're not all ugly as you claim, either. I've met some real cuties that way.

[quote]3) living on compounds with lots of western expats. Drawback: usually old and rather not attractive, yet single or divorced.[/QUOTE]If you get involved in the compound party scene I've found it's the exact opposite of this. They usually have a party every weekend, they just change the venue. It's often all the same people at every party. And most of them are kids. I didn't see any old or divorced women at the party I went to, it was mostly teenagers and a couple of young 20-somethings. Being 30 myself and not really part of the this clique of people that all obviously knew each other, I felt like the odd bird out. The girls were mostly young skanky European girls who didn't know how to hold their liquor and were grinding and getting finger banged out on the dance floor, but there were also lots of people from African and Arab countries. If you look Saudi you might have trouble getting in, though. Typically the party organizers will try to exclude Saudis to avoid arousing the attention of the morality police.

[quote]4) If you believe you must live on the edge or don't care getting deported or worse: Wander around fancy malls (doesn't work if you're posted in some small crap town. Just bad luck for ya) and have your blue tooth mobile switched on. Sit down somewhere, scan what's close to you and try to make contact that way. It is possible (remember, the boredom.) to get in touch with a saudi woman. It will be long winded and meeting up will be an impossible challenge. And it is extremely risky for both. Not my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]Why do you keep commenting on the difficulty and risk of any of this stuff when you admit you haven't tried any of it?

IMO the bluetooth thing is the worst way to go. It's just frustrating. Most of the girls you might find this way don't speak English and you're right it is a lot of work with very little payoff. Having a phone with blue tooth (and a good photo of yourself renamed to include your phone number ready to send at a moment's notice) is a good assist to the method of walking around malls or shopping areas to meet girls. But as a primary means of meeting them it sucks. The best procedure is to get a girls' attention first, make eye contact, and if she seems interested then you might want to check and see if she has her bluetooth switched on.

[quote]Anyway, 1) to 5) are there but as I said before I haven't tried any of them[/QUOTE]Worth reiterating

[quote]Substitute: porn. Different ways and risks had been discussed before. Here's an idea: download the hot stuff outside Saudi[/QUOTE]Terrible idea. Just use a web proxy. It's so easy. Or use torrents. You can download anything you want.

Anyway, thanks for the report. But you missed the two best venues IMO if you are serious about meeting people in Saudi.

1. The internet. The single best way by far to meet girls here. Avoid all the stupid bullshit hassle of trying to find them in public.

2. The diplomatic quarter. If you live in Riyadh there are many different functions, parties and events hosted at the DQ. These are almost always a good place to meet women.

That's all. Peace out.

**** Connoisseur

[QUOTE=Maximusbibicus]Well it depends on the person I guess. I'm an arab and I always talk nicely with the guys, but this time I was moving back so I didn't want to risk it with my porn.

Anyways. Any fellow mongers from north america, Dubai etc currently in Jeddah?

What is happening folks?[/QUOTE]I live in Saudi and frequently come through the airports in Riyadh, Jeddah, and Dammam. I have scads of porn on both of my laptops and stored in my digital camera. Gobs of it. A plethora of pornography. Anyone just opening up my computer and looking at the desktop would see it.

It's never been a problem. I've never once been asked about anything I was bringing in to the country. In fact the first time I came in at King Khaled Airport in Riyadh, I think I could have smuggled in Jenna Jameson if I had wanted to. Security was minimal and the customs guys were standing about 40 meters off and just waved me through without xray or anything.

I think it does help to be "White" and American. Though of course nothing in Saudi is a guarantee pretty much everything is done on an arbitrary basis. So, indulge at your own risk.

[QUOTE=Oneeyedpanda]Visited there in May, in the light of recent posts here thought I should comment. I was totally resigned to a sex and alcohol free ten days. All the staff in the hotel were male, including the chambermaids, and there was a police car parked outside the main hotel lobby 24/7, although the guy was asleep every time I looked. All the staff were either Sri Lankans or Indians with the occasional Filipino. After a couple of days I was bantering one of the waiters about the terrible alcohol-free beer, saying I didn't know which was worse, no pussy or no beer. The next morning he was on sentry duty while I was waiting for my lift, he told me that he could get me some beers for a price and they would be put in the fridge in my room; great I said, can you do anything about the pussy? For a price I said. Maybe he said. That night I found two beers in the fridge and an envelope with a phone number and a time on it; I called saying I was the guy from the hotel when an indian accented woman answered. About an hour later I opened my door to a quite attractive girl, quite dark, said she was from Kandy, Tamil area of Sri Lanka. Quite good looking, about 30, very petite; obviously dressed the Saudi way until inside the room. She had been smuggled in up the service lift I gather, how appropriate. Could have been one of the waiters wives for all I know, but she wasn't very chatty, preferring to work on me. Stayed about 2 hrs, had sex, great blowjob, swallowed, but declined anal saying I was far too big. I guess I was, as she was not 5' tall. Saw her twice in the 10 days, settled up with the waiter at the end for all services provided so I can't really say how much she cost per service.

Makes the prospect of a return visit in Sept much less problematic!

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]I was with a great Sri Lankan beauty in Singapore. Would love to find another. Any chance you can share the information about which hotel this was? If not the actual contact info for the girl (not in the public forum, and I would pm you but I think I need to be a paying member first)

[QUOTE=Hunter105]Last week was in Riyadh and stayed in the SAS Radisson. No girls activity at all, even I didn´t see any female during the day, maybe some guests, but I didn´t see them.[/QUOTE]AtlasJet keeps most of their flight attendants at the Radisson SAS. Some very cute Filipina girls there.

One of them used to be my girlfriend. She was HOT. :D

[QUOTE=Theystolemyname]I live in Saudi and frequently come through the airports in Riyadh, Jeddah, and Dammam. I have scads of porn on both of my laptops and stored in my digital camera. Gobs of it. A plethora of pornography. Anyone just opening up my computer and looking at the desktop would see it.

It's never been a problem. I've never once been asked about anything I was bringing in to the country. In fact the first time I came in at King Khaled Airport in Riyadh, I think I could have smuggled in Jenna Jameson if I had wanted to. Security was minimal and the customs guys were standing about 40 meters off and just waved me through without xray or anything.

I think it does help to be "White" and American. Though of course nothing in Saudi is a guarantee pretty much everything is done on an arbitrary basis. So, indulge at your own risk.[/QUOTE]Yea the thing with me is, I look like an arab and hold a foreign citizenship. When at malls or check points I will be asked to stop and when they see my ID they let me go.

If your skin is white you are lucky and you got through. And as well as your lucky to get girls. Saudi girls are crazy about "white man".

Let me know if you ever travel to Jeddah, we can meet for a drink (coffee). And WR is here too.

[QUOTE=Maximusbibicus]Yea the thing with me is, I look like an arab and hold a foreign citizenship. When at malls or check points I will be asked to stop and when they see my ID they let me go.

If your skin is white you are lucky and you got through. And as well as your lucky to get girls. Saudi girls are crazy about "white man".

Let me know if you ever travel to Jeddah, we can meet for a drink (coffee). And WR is here too.[/QUOTE]If you know any Arab girls crazy for white guys in Jeddah that you'd like to introduce me to let me know and maybe I'll take you up on that offer. My treat for the coffee.

Theystolemyname, I wrote a general message on how to get laid in Saudi. This is based on my observation, experience and what I've been told first hand over the past year I am now based here (Eastern province) and no, it's not hearsay or rumours and perhaps you are more careful before applying the you're-talking-out-of-your-ass broad brush. So, I shall furnish the finer details of living in Saudi. How likely one gets laid here depends on where you are posted and to what kind of social circles you have access to. You also got to be lucky. From what you wrote you were rather lucky. So, here we go then. It's going to be a novel but describing the more intricate details of living in Saudi isn't a 4 line poem I am afraid.

Getting booze: nice to hear one can get alcohol from cosmetics, mouth wash, disinfectant, etc. But if you read my post carefully I was referring to FOOD containing alcohol. And that's not possible. I bought, for example, Tiramisu cake and there was no alcohol in there. Yes, booze is made in the western compounds, mostly wine (the South Africans are quite good at it) and also add distilled booze to none alcoholic beer (not sure whether or not they distill this from mouth wash. Hope they don't). The result is a terrible tasting brew I only tried twice. (Judging by what faces Saudi newbies pull when they'll come to their first expat party my judgement isn't that far off the truth then.)

The finer details on booze: It is smuggled into saudi by members of the higher echelon of saudi society, I. E. Those who will be almost untouchable even by the religious police such as police chiefs, princes and the like. Those who get caught smuggling booze and even drugs are the underlings of such operations. Needless to say those poor sods will get punished. You can get real Jack Daniels for example inside the Aramco campus when I was there as well as through embassies' partis I guess because such places are not the ordinary Saudi environment but somewhat exclusive with limited or no access of the religious police.

Thank you for agreeing that it is rare to see Saudi wifes/daughters at Saudi houses. Again, you were lucky. I've been to several functions and been invited to Saudi houses but the usual custom is that you will never see older daughters nor wifes because you'll be welcomed and taken care of in a separate guest room and away from the rest of the family. You working at a university changes the situation slightly. Some finer details on this: yes, hospitals and airlines will have unveiled Saudi women. As for hospitals it depends. I've been to a hospital where they were unveiled and to a smaller clinic where only none-Saudis were unveiled.

Don't compare your university experience with the rest of Saudi. Separate buildings you wrote but INSIDE THE SAME CAMPUS. Well that's indeed a vital detail changing the game plan considerably. Again, count yourself lucky you were in such a comfortable position. The finer details: A while ago I went to an open air show in a private club in Khobar, a huge campus with private beach, sports hall, several swimming pools, squash, tennis etc. Member fees are steep which means only the well heeled Saudi families go there (I. E. More liberal) and only families may join this club or, as an exception to that rule, you may get entry if there is an event you have tickets for even if you are single. I had. This club, again, operates a little bit outside the Saudi norm, I. E. Most women were unveiled during that event and it happened to be a popular event, I. E. I witnessed the congregation of about 200 unveiled Saudi girls(!) (some very pretty) and even spoke to some in the restaurant inside the campus once the event was over. Also, it makes a different whether or not you are a muslim or none muslim expat and whether or not you speak arabic. The effect of the former I am not sure about, the latter certainly helps.

Point 2. On meeting girls in public: shopping malls are possible. Yes, I also noticed the glances from Saudi girls, mostly veiled. Maybe I should follow through one day but this is risky. And yes, meanwhile, in Khobar, even though it is rare but I've seen unveiled Saudi girls. However, I also noticed that sometimes they quickly put their veils back on once they notice your glances. Why is talking to Saudi girls risky in public, the finer details: the religious police has the right to interfere. You, as a white expat might just get a tongue lashing and that will be it but it can be worse for the girl. Just because it never happened to who you know does not mean it never will.

Point 3. Western compounds, the finer details: Yes, I agree that the expat parties are fairly stable groups and newbies will take their time to get in. This makes it somewhat boring because you'll meet the same folks and their usually small kids over and over again. As far as I've been to such parties I have to say I'd rather have fun in Bahrain than trying to 'get fresh' with one of those bored (frustrated) middle aged western gals nor with any of the, and I quote, "skanky Europeans". As for "skanky" it applies equally to their American, Australian or South African 'brethren' by the way. So, after I went to a few of these parties I got the drift eventually and rather don't go. Indeed, Saudis are kept out as far as possible to not attract the wrong kind of attention. Well, this fact alone should be telling enough what Saudi is like outside the "green zones" such as western compounds, diplomatic areas/embassies or exclusive private clubs.

How good (or bad) the compound party life is also depends on the city. I've been told first hand that there is a party every day if you want to once you established the right connetions in Riaydh. That's also because all the embassies are there which also host parties or dinners and their staff, naturally, are a bit above the law. The most open place. As far as one can say open in Saudi. Seems to be Jeddah from what I've been told. Expats who were posted there told me only good things about Jeddah.

Point 4: thanks for agreeing that going the bluetooth way is long winded and frustrating. That tip with the picture is a good one. I might try this one day for the heck of it to see what happens.

Internet: I've heard of proxies, yes. Just didn't yet bother fiddling about with it. Well, I now did and it worked.

Meeting girls online: which chat or dating site did you use that is good? Free or pay site? I tried once a dating site, arabs2arabs dot com, but soon found out this to be a scam (still get emails from that site saying "a female member is interested in my profile". Yeah, right.) only trying to extort money.

Diplomatic Quarter: good for those living in Riyadh. I don't. And as I said before embassies are a "green zone" not to be compared with ordinary Saudi life, culture and traditions.

Sharing general experience and advice when living in Saudi: there are several groups such as Yahoo, e. G. Expatsinsaudiarabia. Google it to find them and subscribe if you like, well, for general info not for mongering of course. One story from Riyadh from that group about two months ago: a saudi girl from a liberal saudi family used to visit western compounds and go to their parties. Eventually she got snitched and the muttawa collected here once she left a compound. Apparently her luck was their parents to have the necessary connections (wasta) so that nothing happened to her. Again, she was lucky. Another story from there that was confirmed by an email distribution from my embassy: two british women had been pelted with stones by Saudi teenagers outside a shopping mall in the fancy Olaya district. The security guards did NOT step in. Sure, mugging and all that happens everywhere, in particular in large cities, be it London, New York etc. I just wanted to mention this incident not as a scare but to set things in the right perspective.

Hotels: expensive 5 star hotels seem to be a bit of green zone as well. I've seen unveiled saudi girls there too when I attended a business meeting that happened to take place in a 5 star hotel. As for that Sri Lankan girl provided by a friendly waiter, well done. Since I live here I usually don't check into hotels. I am also not sure whether it was just luck to get that sort of 'service' in the hotel you stayed or whether this is possible in 5 star hotels in general across Saudi; if you can befriend a resourceful waiter while staying there that is.

Oh, by the way, I read "The girls of Riyadh" which is indeed a very interesting read. But, again, don't compare the higher echelons of society, called the 'velvet class' in this book with the rest of Saudi. If you are lucky enough to get introduced to the velvet class your life WILL indeed be different here.

White or not: you'll be left alone usually if you are white, better still white american because of the political/diplomatic issues any incarceration of US citizen could cause the Saudi government is reluctant to deal with just because some dickhead was stupid enough to get caught trying to smuggle in booze/porn/whatever. You'll be less likely searched at airports in the Middle East. Take note of 'less likely'. Yes, usually the customs dudes can't be asked but if you're unlucky and they are in a bad mood they might take your luggage apart. You wouldn't be the first one ending up in custody for a day or so until your sponsor using its 'wasta' got you out. Being searched hasn't happen to me yet, so, as previous posters said you may take your porn/booze/pork chops etc. Into the country at your risk. Chances are you'll get away with it. In fact many times over. But if you don't who'd been warned

The finer details of using proxies: search the web for "free proxy" and patiently click through the search results. You will find most proxy sites/proxy server download sites blocked but not all. I don't post any links here because Saudi's web filters are being updated, so, a proxy you used before might not work eventually. Just move on to the next.

Finally the best bit: You wrote "I've met unveiled Saudis and gone out on dates with them and their unveiled friends and met all of their unveiled sisters. In public. " Wohoo! Can you please be more specific how you met them, what their families are like, whether or not their parents knew about it (I guess so considering their friends and sisters knew), how far it went (I. E. Going out and talking or staying over at your apartment, perhaps even overnight and including sex, possibly with their parent's knowlegde?), and when you went out in "public" where you actually went that you call 'public'? I guess you also went to their house? If so, what sort of area was that house in? I guess a rich area where the neighbours don't care so much who that family's daughters are seen with? That's not normal for Saudi families because they'll do anything to protect their and their daughters reputation if they ever wanted them to get married off to DECENT. Read well to do. Guys with a respected background (Saudi society is very tribal. A Saudi surname often is an indication what tribe you're from and how powerful that tribe is). In other words, the finer details would be significant to know, yes?

But hey, if I'd ever be in Riyadh we could meet up and you show me since 'talk is cheap' they say not without reason: you and your unveiled Saudi girlfriend, their sister(s) and me strutting about in broad daylight holding hands in the middle of a busy but ordinary shopping street, I. E. NOT in any of the "green zones"; wouldn't that be a sight, eh?

[QUOTE=Tomwannabe]...How likely one gets laid here depends on where you are posted and to what kind of social circles you have access to. You also got to be lucky. From what you wrote you were rather lucky...[/QUOTE]

Nobody died and made me judge but in order to to vet reports of Tomwannabe and Theystolemyname; I will say that Tom provides the "real ksa" version whereas Theystolemyname's version is of someone who has passed the White, Westerner, Privileged, In (or has access to)-a-good-location/sector, and Lucky filter.

Valid reports but entirely different view/vantage points.

[b]Eric[/b]

[QUOTE=Eric T]Nobody died and made me judge but in order to to vet reports of Tomwannabe and Theystolemyname; I will say that Tom provides the "real ksa" version whereas Theystolemyname's version is of someone who has passed the White, Westerner, Privileged, In (or has access to)-a-good-location/sector, and Lucky filter.

Valid reports but entirely different view/vantage points.

[b]Eric[/b][/QUOTE]Uh. Yes, I'm a "White" "Westerner". Whooptee do. I'm certainly not any more privileged than any other Westerners here. I don't live on a compound. I don't know anybody who lives on a compound (not well, anyway). I've only been to a single compound party during the last two years here. I've never hung out at prince's secret orgy houses or anything. I've heard about underground Saudi dance parties but the people who said they would take me to one never actually followed through on that. I live in a quiet Saudi neighborhood. I work in a building where there are no women allowed. I don't feel especially lucky at all.

Trust me I am NOT special. I'm tall, I'm reasonably attractive. Yeah. I'm "White, " and I'm a "Westerner. " But I'm not Whiter or more Western than any of the other Westerners I work with.

I know how to talk to women. I take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves. That's all. I'm not connected. Honestly I think my success rate over the last year or so has been pretty sad, and much lower than it would be in any other country in the world most likely.

Tom ADMITS that he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's up front with the fact that he hasn't tried most of these things. His report is of the variety of the "well, I heard all these rumors about life in Saudi and I feel like some of them might be true so I'm going to make all these really broad over-generalizations about what is or isn't true without any real experience to back it up. " That's MY take. Actually I read a lot of similar things before coming to the KSA, more conjecture, rumor, and hearsay. And when I got here I found out that a lot of it is simply not true. A lot of what he said was just patently false.

How is my report not "real? " I only posted things that I have actual firsthand experience with. Not rumors I heard. Not things I read elsewhere and reposted. Not guesses or feelings. I'm as real as it gets.

That said if you're an Indian or Filipino guy reading these forums, then yeah, of course, you're going to have a different experience in the KSA. Most Saudis will treat you like dirt, much less sleep with you. So. Sorry about that. That doesn't mean I'm lucky. Just means that Saudis are racist. I have no problem conceding that.