Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=Franga;2301037]Yes, I had a BBBJ followed by sex with condom with a girl who I had seen many times before without any issues.

Then I think the next day I noticed a slight pain in the urethra in the knob area of my penis, like when you get soap up there. I thought it may have just been a sort of traumatic injury and decided to see how it developed. Things were reasonably okay for about 4 days then became rapidly much more severe when the burning sensation when peeeing manifested itself. So I sought treatment after that.

But I know what you mean about the rough sex. In fact I find some handjobs to be a bit too severe on the skin of the penis that I don't think they are worth having sometimes. Thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]After more than 30 years in Thailand, and plenty of boom boom, I found that 1 x 400 MG Norfloxacin tablet dd the trick as regards STD's.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1;2301112]After more than 30 years in Thailand, and plenty of boom boom, I found that 1 x 400 MG Norfloxacin tablet dd the trick as regards STD's.[/QUOTE]Okay good to know. I will see how this doxycycline treatment goes first. It would be good to have an alternative treatment though.

But I am reading on Wikipedia that Norfloxacin is not really used much anymore due to bacterial resistance. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Franga;2301122]Okay good to know. I will see how this doxycycline treatment goes first. It would be good to have an alternative treatment though.

But I am reading on Wikipedia that Norfloxacin is not really used much anymore due to bacterial resistance. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Keep having BBBJ, next time directly wash your penis for few minutes without using soap after sex and drink a lot of water. Bacteria can't live outside the body so long.

Wikipedia is not accurate but don't use Norfloxacin tablet without knowing the real problem. You already used many different antibiotics. Go and see a good venereologist. I am sure you can find one. Be careful of unecessary antibiotics because std can be resistant. Drug resistance only happens when you take unecessary antibiotics or your treatment is not well prescribed.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2301210]Keep having BBBJ, next time directly wash your penis for few minutes without using soap after sex and drink a lot of water. Bacteria can't live outside the body so long.

Wikipedia is not accurate but don't use Norfloxacin tablet without knowing the real problem. You already used many different antibiotics. Go and see a good venereologist. I am sure you can find one. Be careful of unecessary antibiotics because std can be resistant. Drug resistance only happens when you take unecessary antibiotics or your treatment is not well prescribed.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for your advice. Yes, I am still suffering a lot at the moment and I don't detect any improvement. However I have only taken 3 of my doxycycline pills so far. I will take your advice and try and find a venereologist today. I will head to the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital where I believe they have a Urology Department. But I am sure that I will never have BBBJ ever again.

Today I went to the Urology Department at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit Road in North Pattaya. Very nice there, all clean and spick and span. I had been warned of the high prices there so filled my wallet full of thousand baht notes prior.

Got a consultation and examination from one of the specialists there, Dr Pornchai Chayaboon Panyasuppakun. He prodded me a bit in the lower abdomen and took a look at my minor discharge. It was great to be able to talk to someone knowlegeable about my condition.

He concluded that I definitely didn't have gonorrhea, which was music to my ears as I was concerned about picking up a drug resistent strain that I could never get rid of.

He said that gonorrhea develops very rapidly after exposure like within a day and you have a pus like discharge. I never had any discharge until day 5 and it was only watery. Also he said that gonorrhea is very easy to detect in a test (and my test at the Pattaya City Hospital didn't pick it up).

He also said it wasn't Chlamydia as I had had the azithromycin pills 5 days earlier so that would have cleared that up by now.

I asked him if I could pick up bacteria from food particles present in a woman's mouth, while getting a BBBJ, and he said no.

He recommended a uriine test to see what type of bacteria was causing my urethral infection. But get this: it takes one week to get the result! (At the Pattaya City Hospital my uriine test only took one hour).

And the cost of the uriine test was 7550 baht ($240 usd)! They do tell you the price before you do the test though and ask if you want to proceed.

The consultation plus nursing fees and uriine cup amounted to 1000 baht ($32 usd).

Anyway, I would say that the Urology Section at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital is probably your best bet for any STD type infections. Bring a full wallet though.

[QUOTE=Franga;2301582]Today Dr Pornchai Chayaboon Panyasuppakun picked up an easy 7550 baht ($240 usd)! [/QUOTE]That is an outrageous cost. Chlamydia, which you had is very common, especially in Pattaya where they play Pass the STI. However, it is possible to pick up more than one STI at a time and you have have had a blood test to look for the more serious culprits. His failure to give a blood test and the outrageous amount he charged you is a big vote against Clap Central aka Pattaya. Very very unsatisfactory.

[QUOTE=Franga;2301582]Today I went to the Urology Department at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit Road in North Pattaya. Very nice there, all clean and spick and span. I had been warned of the high prices there so filled my wallet full of thousand baht notes prior.

Got a consultation and examination from one of the specialists there, Dr Pornchai Chayaboon Panyasuppakun. He prodded me a bit in the lower abdomen and took a look at my minor discharge. It was great to be able to talk to someone knowlegeable about my condition.

He concluded that I definitely didn't have gonorrhea, which was music to my ears as I was concerned about picking up a drug resistent strain that I could never get rid of.

He said that gonorrhea develops very rapidly after exposure like within a day and you have a pus like discharge. I never had any discharge until day 5 and it was only watery. Also he said that gonorrhea is very easy to detect in a test (and my test at the Pattaya City Hospital didn't pick it up).

He also said it wasn't Chlamydia as I had had the azithromycin pills 5 days earlier so that would have cleared that up by now.

I asked him if I could pick up bacteria from food particles present in a woman's mouth, while getting a BBBJ, and he said no.

He recommended a uriine test to see what type of bacteria was causing my urethral infection. But get this: it takes one week to get the result! (At the Pattaya City Hospital my uriine test only took one hour).

And the cost of the uriine test was 7550 baht ($240 usd)! They do tell you the price before you do the test though and ask if you want to proceed.

The consultation plus nursing fees and uriine cup amounted to 1000 baht ($32 usd).

Anyway, I would say that the Urology Section at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital is probably your best bet for any STD type infections. Bring a full wallet though.[/QUOTE]Next time for any std related to your penis, penile infection or skin condition in your penis. Go see an urulogist or dermatologist / venereologist. Never take antibiotics prescribed by nurses or general practicioners, general practicioners don't know how to deal with infectious diseases. If she was a good doctor and not sure about your condition, she would have to refer you to a specialist (urologist or venereologist) instead of giving you unecessary antibiotics.

Finally it was not caused by std, antibiotics you took affected the test and caused some trouble. Your health has no price.

I am dermatologist / venereologist and knew many things may cause your problem but just because you are in Thailand, the first thing the unskilled general practicioners and nurses think is STD.

Keep enjoying BBBJ and clean your genital after every intecourse and stay away from google and wikipedia.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2301636]Next time for any std related to your penis, penile infection or skin condition in your penis. Go see an urulogist or dermatologist / venereologist. Never take antibiotics prescribed by nurses or general practicioners, general practicioners don't know how to deal with infectious diseases.[/QUOTE]Yes you are right. The first clinic I walked into automatically assumed Gonorrhea or Chlamydia so I ended up taking a shot in the ass plus pills which were not needed. I also assumed that must be the case too from what I had read about the symptoms online.

Then the second doctor at the Pattaya City Hospital thought that I probably did have gonorrhea even though they couldn't detect it in the test they did. They even had an injection solution ready to jab me in the ass again when I insisted on talking it over with the doctor first. So I only ended up with Doxycycline pills instead.

Finally the urologist specialist at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital determined that I definitely do not have gonnorhea, but some other bacterial infection.

So, a lot of misdiagnoses. Partly my fault for not going to a specialist first. Really thank you for your input MongerFor Sex.

[QUOTE=Franga;2301582]Today I went to the Urology Department at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit Road in North Pattaya.
Got a consultation and examination from one of the specialists there, Dr Pornchai Chayaboon Panyasuppakun. He prodded me a bit in the lower abdomen and took a look at my minor discharge. It was great to be able to talk to someone knowlegeable about my condition.

He recommended a uriine test to see what type of bacteria was causing my urethral infection. But get this: it takes one week to get the result! (At the Pattaya City Hospital my uriine test only took one hour).

And the cost of the uriine test was 7550 baht ($240 usd)! They do tell you the price before you do the test though and ask if you want to proceed.

The consultation plus nursing fees and uriine cup amounted to 1000 baht ($32 usd).
[/QUOTE]Franga,

Glad to know that you've finally consulted a Urologist. Based on above quoted report, I presume Doctor might have ordered a "Uriine Culture & Sensitivity" test to identify the correct bacterium culture growth. But cost of the test sounds astronomical to me personally (nothing is precious than health). In India, a "Uriine Culture& Sensitivity" test doesn't cost more than INR 1500 ( 22 USD). I am unsure if your Doctor has prescribed the same test. Based on the sensitivity and culture growth, Doctor might prescribe accurate Antibiotic dosage. I was mentioning about similar "Uriine Culture & Sensitivity" test in my other earlier post for UTI. However, I am unsure if your doctor has prescribed the culture & sensitivity test or a different test.

I agree with MongerForSex sir about drinking lot of water.

Wish you speedy recovery!!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2301210]Keep having BBBJ, next time directly wash your penis for few minutes without using soap after sex and drink a lot of water. Bacteria can't live outside the body so long.
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Keep enjoying BBBJ and clean your genital after every intecourse and stay away from google and wikipedia.[/QUOTE]MongerForSex,

Sir, Really glad to know that we've a Venereologist in ISG forum.

At the risk of sounding to be naive, I'm posting this request, but I feel it is good to get it answered from a Venereologist.

Could you please care to elaborate about the above quoted excerpt from your earlier post where you advised to wash penis with out soap after the deed.

To be very frank and honest, there are lot of myths (to me personally at-least) associated to how to safely take-off the condom(to prevent any infection) and male genitalia cleaning after the deed. There are lot of PH balanced antibacterial washes, wet-wipes and shower-gels in the market. After the deed, is it safe and sufficient to clean genitals in running water with out any soap?

Thank you,

MSL.

[QUOTE=MySecretLife;2301667]MongerForSex,

Sir, Really glad to know that we've a Venereologist in ISG forum.

At the risk of sounding to be naive, I'm posting this request, but I feel it is good to get it answered from a Venereologist.

Could you please care to elaborate about the above quoted excerpt from your earlier post where you advised to wash penis with out soap after the deed.

To be very frank and honest, there are lot of myths (to me personally at-least) associated to how to safely take-off the condom(to prevent any infection) and male genitalia cleaning after the deed. There are lot of PH balanced antibacterial washes, wet-wipes and shower-gels in the market. After the deed, is it safe and sufficient to clean genitals in running water with out any soap?

Thank you,

MSL.[/QUOTE]We are all using the web here. Most of the point and shoot information was developed to deal with GIs, marines and sailors who will shoot their loads regardless. If the guy was bonking hookers in Pattaya, it is odds on a sexual related disease he has, not some exotic virus. When you put your penis into hookers, you are playing Hooker Roulette and the advice, such as it is, can be dangerous if you forget you are in the Las Vegas of STIs. Sure, various STIs hate fresh air, water, soap and what not but don't think they will all lie over meekly to the free information you get on the Internet.

[QUOTE=Franga;2301423]But I am sure that I will never have BBBJ ever again.[/QUOTE]Yes, that would be the safest way to enjoy sex as the girl may have STDs in her throat, which may pass onto your penis during BBBJ. There is a antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea in the SE Asia, which is spreading fast and, although you don't probably have that, it is better to avoid BBBJ at least in that part of the world.

I myself caught gonorrhea twice from BBBJ in Germany, but it was successfully treated with antibiotics.

Stay safe!

Rock.

[QUOTE=MySecretLife;2301667]

Sir, Really glad to know that we've a Venereologist in ISG forum.

At the risk of sounding to be naive, I'm posting this request, but I feel it is good to get it answered from a Venereologist.

Could you please care to elaborate about the above quoted excerpt from your earlier post where you advised to wash penis with out soap after the deed.

To be very frank and honest, there are lot of myths (to me personally at-least) associated to how to safely take-off the condom(to prevent any infection) and male genitalia cleaning after the deed. There are lot of PH balanced antibacterial washes, wet-wipes and shower-gels in the market. After the deed, is it safe and sufficient to clean genitals in running water with out any soap?

Thank you,

MSL.[/QUOTE]Washing your genital with soap is not advised like shaving your genital with removal hair cream. It's too chemical and penile skin is too sensitive and fragile. After every intercource (vaginal or anal sex) just remove your condom gently and throw it away. you can wash your hands with soap, (soap is ok for hand skin because it's more solid and thicker) and shower your penis with water.

Soap can cause inflamation, abrasion (minor cuts) or alergy. Cuts and mucous membrane increases the risk of sti. Sti is not std for example you can have STI and never develop STD.

You can be sexually active and have sex without condom for decades and never have symptomatic STD. For example, 90% of people have HSV but most of them have never developped blisters in their life, that's why HSV is not required for serology tests. We only treat HSV when it's symptomatic.

WHY condoms are important? To protect you from some common bacterial STI (Chlamydia, Gonorrhea) , other less common bacterial STIs that are always symptomatic, very contagious and causes ulcers (syphilis, chancroid, granuloma inguinale) and parasite STIs and also prevent child birth.

HIV is rare in drug free straight people and not easily transmitted from a woman to a man. Most people overestimate HIV and underestimate other STDs. You can't catch hiv from BBBJ, DFK, DATY and broken condom because saliva blocks hiv even if there are minor cuts and small quantity of blood, it's not enough to contaminate from mouth because of the saliva if not everybody is contaminated today because most of people have gum disease. HIV is a very weak virus that's not easily transmitted unlike other STIs.

STIs are not well understood and studied, There are many factors. Medicine is complicated and STIs are more based on fear, guilt and shame than other more agressive and deadly diseases. Just tell yourself. Are you more scared of STI or the stigma?

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2301783]Washing your genital with soap is not advised like shaving your genital with removal hair cream. It's too chemical and penile skin is too sensitive and fragile. After every intercource (vaginal or anal sex) just remove your condom gently and throw it away. you can wash your hands with soap, (soap is ok for hand skin because it's more solid and thicker) and shower your penis with water.

Soap can cause inflamation, abrasion (minor cuts) or alergy. Cuts and mucous membrane increases the risk of sti. Sti is not std for example you can have STI and never develop STD.

Are you more scared of STI or the stigma?[/QUOTE]MongerForSex sir,

Thank you for your detailed response.

I'm from India, in India there is still public stigma associated (not a broad generalization) with consultation, testing and treatment of STDs. So, to be honest, stigma.

Regards,

MSL.

To MySecretLife,

No, I don't know what type of uriine test that the doctor has asked for. He said it was to identify the bacteria. Yes, it is a huge cost ($240 usd), but I think that is the modus operandi of this hospital. Consultations are moderately priced, but when you want them to do anything then the prices are astronomical.

Anyway, I don't have a choice, but I am not happy about having to wait one week to get the test result. At the moment I am 3 days into taking the doxycycline pills, but have not detected any change in symptoms. The doctor did say it would take 4 days though.

Thanks for your posts.

To Add to Monger's comments:

-Norfloxacin is not good to treat any (all) STIs. Gonorrhea is now resistant to quinolone antibiotics (norfloxacin, ciprofloxacin, levofloxacin, etc). Treatment is 250 MG of ceftriaxone intramuscularly (in the butt) and even some gonorrhea is resistant to this drug.

-Chlamydia is not quite a bacteria but it is killed by antibiotics. Unfortunately, in Asia, there is some resistance. Doxycycline for 7 days (taken on an EMPTY stomach) or azithromycin 1 gram by mouth as a single dose is still recommended, but response can be slow.

-Syphillis is still treatable with long acting penicillin as an injection (in the butt).

Now, for these guys that say they go to the doctor and get "tested" regularly (blood tests), let's get some things clear. The things that you can test for with a blood test is HIV, hepatitisB (if you have never been vaccinated, do so promptly, Vietnam and China has a lot of hepatitisB still), hepatitisC, syphillis and hepatitis A (transmitted by fecal contamination of food, you can get hepatitis A vaccine also). Blood testing for HSV (herpes) is useless (there are 2 types of HSV type 1 in the mouth and type 2 on the genitals / ass, testing for HPV can be done, but there are so many types of HPV that one cannot test for all of them (an no one does). You cannot test the blood for chlamydia or haemophilus decrey (chancroid). So these blood tests that show you are clean do not test for all STIs including gonorrhea.

The ONLY STI vaccines are hepatitisB and Hepatitis A. HPV vaccine is used in women / men ages up to 45 never exposed to HPV, and about 35-50% of the population already has been exposed to HPV so the vaccine is not given in those cases.

So don't be lulled into a sense of comfort, these blood tests are limited and if you are told otherwise, you are wasting your $.

For the OP that is taking doxycycline for dick pain / burning. Well, if you have chlamydia, take the drug on an empty stomach, did you get cultured for gonorrhea and get a shot of ceftriaxone in the butt also?

Also, don't use Wikipedia as a source for medical information. If you want a real source, use Medscape (free to register and use) or go to the WHO website and use their resources, sheesh!

GG.