Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Sperto]No need to worry about something that's 7 years ahead.

You guys love to worry about everything. :D

The GP-prices, the dollar-rate, the quality of the water and now the olympics.[/QUOTE]Ditto Sperto!

[QUOTE=Sperto]Howcome? They will build a stadium on Praça Quinze? There are plenty of room in Rio to build whatever they need. They managed the Pan American Games without any major problems. The Olympics is bigger, but they are very capable of managing that, even though it will cost quite a few reais.

I advice you to have a look at a map and do some study, and you'll discover that Rio doesn't consist of the area Copacabana-Centro. They have vast areas after Barra. Where do you think they held the Panam games? Av Rio Branco?

I think the Olympics in Rio is great news and I'm happy for all the brazilians.[/QUOTE]
Ditto Sperto!

[QUOTE=Sperto]I think the Olympics in Rio is great news and I'm happy for all the brazilians.[/QUOTE]

Congratulaions to Brazil and Rio! The winning of the Olympics is a great opportunity for the Brasilian people to showcase that wonderful country. Will this change the P4P scene in Rio? Most likely, but I reckon us mongers will have to adapt a bit.

Now I'm wondering if I'd like to visit Rio during the summer of dois mil dezesseis.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Sperto]Howcome? They will build a stadium on Praça Quinze? There are plenty of room in Rio to build whatever they need. They managed the Pan American Games without any major problems. The Olympics is bigger, but they are very capable of managing that, even though it will cost quite a few reais.

I advice you to have a look at a map and do some study, and you'll discover that Rio doesn't consist of the area Copacabana-Centro. They have vast areas after Barra. Where do you think they held the Panam games? Av Rio Branco?

I think the Olympics in Rio is great news and I'm happy for all the brazilians.[/QUOTE]Here is their presentation

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TCoqZNesnM[/url]

Sperto you are right about to not worry, as we cannot do nothing, so better to take it easy and relax.

However I do not think it is something 7 years ahead, as consider we are almost in 2.010, only 4 years to world soccer championship there and even for this Rio and its prices will start to change.

Even more they will start to feel it a bit in advance, so we do not have so much time before to see the begin of change in Rio.

No doubt that as scenary and view, Rio is a great city to host the Olympics, specially after seen the video of master plan, but from our point of view, specially mine that I could care less about sport that other and not me do, this is not something will help us in our hobby, despite a bit improvment about transportation.

Honestly I fan for Chicago, even if I am european and not american, Madrid and Tokyo fine too, but what for me it is not very "fair", is to give to the same city 2 great world events in only 2 years.

Is it a sort of awake of Brazil to the eyes of world ? I do not know, but I am afraid reais will get soon stronger than weaker in comparison to Usd and Euro and it does not help too.

Gfe Finder you are right, thanks for correction, golden years are gone, these are only....let's say silver years in comparison of what was Rio in the past, but still golden years regarding what Rio will become in couple of years.

Help will be close and I guess now nobody could care less, they will just move, where ? We will see.

I guess termas will stay open and termas in copa will be during Olympics more packed than the beach on new years eve.....maybe we mongers, should think for 2.016 to open in copa a new terma with all girls speaking english, it would not be a bad business ;)

We will have and we can to adapt, for sure, but I am afraid GDP will adapt much better than us in terms to get used to have much more customers they can afford. It is good for the sharks, they will work as never before, but more or less every pro will get used in a while to get much money with little effort, so I think service will gonna to get worst, much worst.....we can forget GFE during Olympics....

I imagine there will be so much testosterone in the air and so little pussy to cool down....even if girls will arrive to Rio from all the Brazil to get easy and fast money.

Again the suggest of Sperto is wise, do not worry, let's enjoy now Rio, maybe in the 2.016 we will be happily married ;)

However.... Chicago indeed was much better choice :)

[QUOTE=Gfe Finder]The Golden Age* of Rio is already dead, I think. This will only make it worse, as it will throw supply and demand even further out of whack. Like you, I sincerely hope I'm wrong and would appreciate someone playing Devil's Advocate on these theories.

*=by "Golden Age," I refer to a time when Rio was relatively cheap, and not overrun by uninformed tourists. As a result, the GDPs had to provide better service to keep your interest and were willing to hang out with you for longer periods of time to protect their investment.[/QUOTE]


Rio in terms of being cheap you got a point.

Brazil is now officially a SUPER POWER and playing with the big boys in every sense of the word.

Their economy is strong.

As far as garotas it all depends is just with time brazilian GDPs know how much we love their bundas and are now asking top dollar.

Also they are handling some serious EUROS.

I totally agree that Brazil is not what is use to be but what mongering spot still is?

However to me Brazil is still and will always be TOP because of all of the options and the variety of women.

Remember Brazil is bigger than Europe excluding Russia so we are not talking about a small country. I have always said this let's explore more and not focus only on RIO and SAO PAULO.

Brugal

[QUOTE=Brugal8]Rio in terms of being cheap you got a point.

Brazil is now officially a SUPER POWER and playing with the big boys in every sense of the word.

Their economy is strong.

As far as garotas it all depends is just with time brazilian GDPs know how much we love their bundas and are now asking top dollar.

Also they are handling some serious EUROS.

I totally agree that Brazil is not what is use to be but what mongering spot still is?

However to me Brazil is still and will always be TOP because of all of the options and the variety of women.

Remember Brazil is bigger than Europe excluding Russia so we are not talking about a small country. I have always said this let's explore more and not focus only on RIO and SAO PAULO.

Brugal[/QUOTE]The people will tell you that the average Brazilian doesn't get the benefits of their country's prosperity. I think mongers are overreacting to the Olympic and the oil discoveries, because the prosperous Brazilians don't want things to change. The upper-class minority prosper while the majority try and survive with their large country's weak infrastructure. Like Spring time, new flowers sprout as the old die. There will be new GDPs asking for what she needs, and it will be R$150 BBBJ, completa, etc. all night.

The issue is what airfare and exchange rates. I've been to Rio 3 times this year from Los Angeles. But the freaking airfare and exchange rate isn't to my liking. And if the airfare and exchange is not favorable, then many mongers will avoid Brazil. This will cause the GDPs to be less greedy with less mongers. A monger I met in March 2009 who lives in Atlanta and gets buddy passes from a relative is in the Dominican Republic today, because of the real dollar exchange rate alone.

And as for the Olympics, who gives a damn. When I watch it on TV, it's to watch the big ass and big leg track and field sprinters. the Olympics is more of a family thing, and I don't think it will affect mongering. Maybe the apartment rates will climb, but there will be too girls converging on Rio which will over saturate the GDP market. Therefore, the GDP rate will either stay the same or decline.

[QUOTE=Brugal8]
Brazil is now officially a SUPER POWER and playing with the big boys in every sense of the word.

Their economy is strong.

As far as garotas it all depends is just with time brazilian GDPs know how much we love their bundas and are now asking top dollar.

Also they are handling some serious EUROS.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and from this point of view it's good that they got the Olympics. Hopefully, they'll showcase what a great country and rising power that they are.

[QUOTE=Brugal8]Remember Brazil is bigger than Europe excluding Russia so we are not talking about a small country. I have always said this let's explore more and not focus only on RIO and SAO PAULO.

Brugal[/QUOTE]

I think this may be the answer, at least in terms of being cheaper and exploring a broader variety of venues. I can only hope that the women would be eager to please! :)

[quote=brugal8]rio in terms of being cheap you got a point.

brazil is now officially a super power and playing with the big boys in every sense of the word.

their economy is strong.
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brugal[/quote]
well, i'm moving to rio at the end of 2010 and was planning to live there for only a couple of years. it is reported they will spend [b]$14.4 billion[/b] on infrastructure for the olympics and brazil will become the world's 5th largest economy by 2016. maybe i'll stay past the olympics now, only for its booming economy of course. :)

i wonder what will happen to the facilities after the olympics.
[color=#8b2323]will it go the way of athens...?[/color]

[b]ruined athens olympic facilities a warning to london[/b]
[i]by malcolm moore, the daily telegraph | june 2, 2008[/i]
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athens — the buildings constructed in athens for the olympic games four years ago are fly blown,
closed to the public, and covered in graffiti, a forewarning of the possible aftermath of the
london games in 2012.

of the 22 venues in the city, 21 are in a state of disrepair and under guard to prevent vandalism.

athens spent more than $18 billion on staging the olympics, slightly less than the current estimate
for the london games.

the hangover from the games was tremendous. greece was left with a national budget deficit of 6.1%,
more than twice the maximum allowed under european union rules.

the infrastructure, which was installed in such haste, has proven to be far too extravagant for the city.
it is difficult to imagine there was ever much local interest in continuing to use the baseball, kayaking,
fencing, and handball facilities down the coast at hellenikon.

a few miles outside the city center, the sprawling faliron complex that once hosted the beach volleyball
and taekwondo competitions is deserted and a lone security guard has not been able to deter youths from
spraying the walls with slogans.

inside one of the buildings, puddles of water are dotted across the marble floor.

the baseball stadium was briefly used for football matches, until the organizers realized that the shape
of the baseball diamond resulted in all the television cameras standing at the corner flag.

elsewhere at hellenikon, piles of rubbish are mounting behind heavily padlocked gates and electrical cables
hang loose from the walls. on one bridge, every light fitting has been wrenched out, while crumbling concrete
is ubiquitous, a sign of the speed at which the complex was built.
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[QUOTE=Azn Safado]...I wonder what will happen to the facilities after the Olympics.
[color=#8B2323]Will it go the way of Athens...?[/color]...[/QUOTE]

Surely, they will have much stuff they no more use and need. If you ask me if I would like to have Olympics in my home town, the answer is a definetely NOT !

P.S. we had here the world soccer many times ago and even now you see a lot of stuff, hotels and new streets, made just for that occasion and now totally useless.

[QUOTE=Azn Safado]Well, I'm moving to Rio at the end of 2010 and was planning to live there for only a couple of years. It is reported they will spend [b]$14.4 billion[/b] on infrastructure for the Olympics and Brazil will become the world's 5th largest economy by 2016. Maybe I'll stay past the Olympics now, only for its booming economy of course.[/quote]

I wonder what will happen to the facilities after the Olympics.

[color=#8B2323]Will it go the way of Athens...?[/color]

If they are smart they will do what USA did in Atlanta. They had pre-sold everything to the private sector and now it is being used for mayor league teams and so forth. But I do not believe they can pull that off. I am happy the USA did not get the Olympics it needs to clean house first before entering the realm of host. The USA has enough on its plate with the economy and its infrastructure, which has to be stabilized. I witch Rio well in hosting the Olympics and I really mean it. And those people or experts that predict the unpredictable good luck, no one can say what will happen in 2016. If they could, tell them to play the lottery and become an instant millionaire. Please give me a break.

[QUOTE=Hitmanm3]If they are smart they will do what USA did in Atlanta. They had pre-sold everything to the private sector and now it is being used for mayor league teams and so forth. But I do not believe they can pull that off. [/QUOTE]They did this for the pan american games pre-selling condos/apartments in zona oeste. Now those buidlings are sinking/slanting becuase they built them on unstable ground. Right where the olypic village will be for 2016. So I guess they were smart enough and pulled it off and the people who invested lost much of their money.

Crumbling infrastructures, polluted beaches, tirotios that on a weekly basis close the highways to the airport, favelas all over the places, crimes, thefts, abductions, assassinations, unpredictable weathers, pickpocketing, shit on shoes, etc....

Yet the suits in Denmark choose Rio.

Hosting an Olympic event is a privilege and not a right.

Rio did not deserve to host the Olympics.

Guys I must re-enforce the heading - I am NOT whinging here - just expressing my views.

I recently spent 5 nights in Rio - Sept 17 to 22. Prior to my arrival I posted 2 posts in the 'Travel Plans and Announcements' thread regarding my visit.

I have been an inconsequential contributor to the Rio - and indeed whole Brazil - sections of ISG - most of my 770 plus posts have been regarding China - Beijing and Shanghai in particular.

I was very surprised that no senior member living in / visiting Rio at the same time as me responded.

Again - THIS IS NOT A WHINGE - it is just so foreign to me. If similar circumstances arose in Beijing or Shanghai when I was there and I saw a brother with that number of posts seeking no more than company whilst in town - indeed myself and 4 or 5 other senior / regulars in those cities would have welcomed him with open arms - even pm'ing him with meeting locations and times and he would have been shown the ropes.

Billy DOES NOT need hand holding - Billy DOES NOT require babysitting - just the lack of response was somewhat surprising.

Still managed to bowl over 17 w.h.o.r.e.s in 5 days - 3.4 w.h.o.r.e.s per day - well down on the average of last visit of 5.1 w.h.o.r.e.s per day - but still - I did need a couple of friends to make that 3 guy / 12 girl fiesta happen - but there was no interest.

Once again - this is NOT a whinge - just expressing my feelings.

If any of you guys are ever in Beijing, Shanghai, Angeles City, Batam just drop Billy a note - we will arrange invaluable assistance for you.

AND - Billy always gives more than he takes - actually met a great guy in 4 x 4 - turns out he was a pilot with a major US carrier - first time in Rio - I gave him some advice from my limited database and I know I have developed a friendship for life.

He is already angling to get a gig to Beijing in November to sample some of the Mongolian delicacies there.

AGAIN - this is not a whinge - enjoy the pics guys.

Billy loves taking pics - so enjoy.

I must add YES some of you guys did consistently offer advice on apartments and the journey to get from Australia to Rio - that was greatly appreciated.

The points I was making above relate solely to period when I was actually in town.

Still a great 5 days - already booked for next June - June 8 to 15 - how is the fare guys - US$1,290 business class Sydney-LAX-Rio and return?

Impossible? Nah - booked and paid for.