[QUOTE=Marius 67;1111442]News Report. Monterrey still not safe![/QUOTE]Some might say that Tuscon is unsafe. I think (16) in one parking lot in broad daylight might just have Monterrey beat.
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[QUOTE=Marius 67;1111442]News Report. Monterrey still not safe![/QUOTE]Some might say that Tuscon is unsafe. I think (16) in one parking lot in broad daylight might just have Monterrey beat.
[QUOTE=La Parca;1111782]Some might say that Tuscon is unsafe. I think (16) in one parking lot in broad daylight might just have Monterrey beat.[/QUOTE]That's very true. Just when you think you're safe, danger lurks just around the corner, just like in Tuscon. That's precisely why I've always said that even though there are dangers in Monterrey, you are no more in danger there than anywhere else, especially if you take some basic precautions. People living in the US think they're safe, but they really have no concept of the stuff going on around them, and how often they narrowly miss being a statistic themselves. There is a false sense of security in the US. You may not experience the level of cruelty with respect to the cruelty demonstrated by the cartels, but you are just as dead when your number comes up no matter which country you're in.
[QUOTE=Angelmio; 1111785]I heard a talk show that made reference to the prior political parties in Mexico having a lid on things prior to Calderon taking office, and that they're influence upon the drug cartels was quite strong.
I admire the idea of going after the drug cartels. Their business is a curse upon society. But, which is worse, the wholesale murder and mayhem they bring because they're being opposed, or just giving in things can return to some degree of safety.
From my perspective, it would be much better if we could return to the days when Mexico was comparatively safe. If Calderon is out, maybe things will return to just a little larceny, cheating, etc. Wholesale Murder and Anarchy has a way of discouraging tourism. [/QUOTE]Calderon should have been able to bring the Cartels to their knees with all the assets of the Mexican Government at his disposal. This has been going on too long. I am beginning to believe that the Calderon Administration chose sides a few years ago. Of course, they have to appear to be fighting all the Cartels so they aren't accused of corruption themselves. In my opinion, it seems like the conflict in Mexico has gone on far too long for it to be any other way.
I agree that it sure would be nice if a change in the Administration would calm things down so we can get back to the way things were just a few years ago. Mexico has always held a certain element of risk. But, the risk we ran a few years ago, before all this started, was manageable. At least you didn't have to justify your sanity to your own countrymen over plans to visit Mexico. And, if you want to ride a bus into Monterrey, at least you wouldn't have to think twice about being murdered on the highway between NL and Monterrey.
Remember, I am always looking for the girls that display some hint of sincerity, "acted" or "legit," doesn't matter to me as long as they are good actresses. And, I have found both types in the past. And, if she is really good, I will treat her like a real girlfriend, and take care of her with a regalo on her birthday, acknowledge her as a real human being, not just a h**ker, etc...
Today is my friend's birthday, and she has been hinting at a regalo. At first, I was considering it because she backed off of being pushy about it, and asked me just to remember her birthday when the day arrived. It seemed she was lapsing toward quasi girlfriend kind of behavior. That was good...So, I was really considering a regalo for her birthday.
With some, depending on how they act, I go just a step further, and actually give them a little money, or a small gift, partly for my own devilish reasons, and partly because I like being nice to them. And, frankly, I sometimes feel kind of sorry for some of them too. Some of them truly do live in abject poverty, and they must live day to day because of their financial condition. Anyway, I do enjoy brightening their special day, etc. I just like the feeling I get in doing it, depending on the girl.
I had hoped that maybe I had found this sincerity trait in the one whose birthday was today, and I am still trying to decide whether I can turn her from "act" to quasi "gf." Even if "sincerity" is mostly an act. The less of an "act" it is, the better. But, I can settle for a good "act." I can respect a good act if it's done with professionalism, discipline, and patience. But, most of the girls have no patience or discipline with their acts. Frankly, they really are not smart enough to run a professional game. Most of them do not have enough discipline to develop and work a good "long term" strategy, so they don't get good long term results. Whatever happened to the good actresses? It is rather disappointing!
So, because this one girl in particular was being disciplined with respect to her "act," I was thinking I would surprise her, just something small, maybe 350 pesos in cash. But, then last night she sent me another text hinting again at her regalo.
It just totally turned me off. It takes all the fun out of it...I just don't feel any motivation to be nice to her when her "expectations" are so obvious. Her impatience and lack of discipline only reveals her true motivations. If I am going to play the game, I want them to work hard at making it seem like less of a scam.
I know it's only 300 pesos, but if I give her the money, then I am just digging a deeper hole for myself, something that I know will only serve to make her feel even more entitled in the future. I don't want her to feel entitled. I want her to feel an obligation to work at it, but to work at it according to my own terms. I just hate it when they take all the joy out of giving by being so obvious, as in mercenary. Can't they learn to be more subtle? Subtly and patience is truly the secret to their success, but they just can't grasp those concepts.
They must be patient in playing the game if they want long term dividends that come from our soft-hearted benevolence.
[QUOTE=Marius 67;1111442]News Report. Monterrey still not safe![/QUOTE]I have been comming to Monterrey 12-18 times per year for almost 8 years now. The company I work for has three major suppliers here which I visit regularly.
I have lurked on this site for most of those years, and I thank all the senior members I have gleaned valuable information from. I have the zona central committed to memory thanks to the excellent mongers map so generously supplied by a senior member.
I am a regular at El Infinito as I am there 4-6 nights in a row on every trip. The manager knows me well, and most of the waiters know my favorite table and what beer I drink. They also know I will be there for no more that 2 beers, and then it is a salida with one of my favoritas or someone new.
I also frequent Marcella, and have used Misses in the past. Both managers know me by sight.
One of my favorite chicas moved from El Infinito to Infi when it opened recently. Her Infinito name was Jazmin, a small blond spinner with large for her size breasts. Her Infi name is Brazil. She has light brown hair now, cut short, but wears a fall. Otherwise she looks as hot as ever.
One of my favorites is a tall thin brunette who recently went to Tijuana to work in a better club. She just returned to visit, and we have hooked up for this afternoon. Her Infinito name was Ivon. You will see her in Infinitos tonight after I am finished with her.
I say all of this only to give some credability for what I am going to say next.
Monterry is not more dangerous to normal people, just unsettled. Most of the violence reported is gang vs gang, or gang vs police.
Monterrey is still safe for people like you and I. Unless you are a member of one of the police units, are a member of a gang, are trying to take over someones turf, or have a suitcase full of money to buy drugs, you are just as safe as you have ever been. Here is what I tell those who accompany me on some of my trips to help them feel comfortable in an unsettled environment.
*Don't dress like a gang member.
*Don't dress like a banker or politition.
*Stay in a nice mid price locally owned hotel instead of one of the luxury hotels.
*Take taxis everywhere.
*Go out on the town with someone familiar with Monterrey.
This advise seems to make them feel more comfortable. I know that Monterrey is as safe for me as it has always been, but part of my job is to make our clients feel safe also.
I realize all this is just my opinion, and that other peoples opinions are their reality, but I felt I had to comment to combat some of the overblown hype I have seen posted here recently.
Larbo
[QUOTE=Larbo; 1112105]I have been comming to Monterrey 12-18 times per year for almost 8 years now. The company I work for has three major suppliers here which I visit regularly.
I have lurked on this site for most of those years, and I thank all the senior members I have gleaned valuable information from. I have the zona central committed to memory thanks to the excellent mongers map so generously supplied by a senior member.
I am a regular at El Infinito as I am there 4-6 nights in a row on every trip. The manager knows me well, and most of the waiters know my favorite table and what beer I drink. They also know I will be there for no more that 2 beers, and then it is a salida with one of my favoritas or someone new.
I also frequent Marcella, and have used Misses in the past. Both managers know me by sight.
One of my favorite chicas moved from El Infinito to Infi when it opened recently. Her Infinito name was Jazmin, a small blond spinner with large for her size breasts. Her Infi name is Brazil. She has light brown hair now, cut short, but wears a fall. Otherwise she looks as hot as ever.
One of my favorites is a tall thin brunette who recently went to Tijuana to work in a better club. She just returned to visit, and we have hooked up for this afternoon. Her Infinito name was Ivon. You will see her in Infinitos tonight after I am finished with her.
I say all of this only to give some credability for what I am going to say next.
Monterry is not more dangerous to normal people, just unsettled. Most of the violence reported is gang vs gang, or gang vs police.
Monterrey is still safe for people like you and I. Unless you are a member of one of the police units, are a member of a gang, are trying to take over someones turf, or have a suitcase full of money to buy drugs, you are just as safe as you have ever been. Here is what I tell those who accompany me on some of my trips to help them feel comfortable in an unsettled environment.
*Don't dress like a gang member.
*Don't dress like a banker or politition.
*Stay in a nice mid price locally owned hotel instead of one of the luxury hotels.
*Take taxis everywhere.
*Go out on the town with someone familiar with Monterrey.
This advise seems to make them feel more comfortable. I know that Monterrey is as safe for me as it has always been, but part of my job is to make our clients feel safe also.
I realize all this is just my opinion, and that other peoples opinions are their reality, but I felt I had to comment to combat some of the overblown hype I have seen posted here recently.
Larbo[/QUOTE]Your post was dead-on. I will add just a few things to your list:
*Sit in the back seat of the cab at all times, unless you know the driver well. You will have better control of circumstances should you hail a taxi driver that has robbery, or worse, on his mind. From the back seat, if they take off in the wrong direction, and you begin to realize they're placing you in danger, you can choke them out if need be. This scenario is NOT common with taxis. 99% are safe. It has only happened to me once. But, once was too much for me, and I have adopted this practice, especially now since the petty criminals run around with less scrutiny from authorities because the authorities have bigger fish to fry these days.
*Moneda: Collect a bag of coins that you can use for exact change with taxis, or keep a supply of 20 peso bills handy. There are far too many taxis that do not carry sufficient change. Anything over 50 pesos is too large a bill for many of them to deal with.
*If you're planning to come back to Monterrey often, purchase a Mexico phone, and charge it with some saldo (minutes) , so you can send and receive text messages from the girls. That way, you control the information that passes between you and the girl, but you're true identity, and your legitimate phone numbers, are kept secret from the girls, totally separated from your real life.
*Assume an alias when you fraternize with the girls. Keep everything in your personal life separate from what you're doing in Monterrey. Everyone will think they know who they're dealing with, but they really haven't got a clue.
*At your first opportunity after arriving in Monterrey, make an effort to visit a money changer so you can have a selection of lower denomination bills. I recommend that you not have bills that are over the 200 peso denomination in your possession when visiting the bars, and that you preferably pay with bills using the lowest common denominator bills possible. I always make the effort to have a bunch of 20 peso bills (saving them for taxi fare) , and some 50 peso, 100 peso, and 200 peso bills are reserved for the bars, with the 100 peso bill seeming to be the safest denomination with respect to your not getting cheated by the waiters when they bring you your change.
*If you're a relative newbie in Monterrey, do not run a tab, unless you're with an experienced resident of Monterrey who is already well known to the management, and can discern the little attempts at larceny by the waiters. Always pay for the drinks as your order them.
*If you ignore the advice to pay as you go, and you do run a tab, make the waiter repeat back every single charge rather than just showing you a total. They love to come to your dark table, and using a flash light to illuminate a total amount, with no itemized charges being represented on the tab. Even my trustee waiters are famous for just showing total amounts, and spending very little time on the exact charges. About 60% of the time, on those rare occasions that I do run a tab, the bill is "mistakenly" inflated, and I would have paid too much.
* Preferably, exact change, la cuenta + propina, is the best policy when paying for drinks. But, if you can't pay with exact change, especially when you're alone, make a special effort to call attention to the denomination of the bill you're handing to the waiter. I recommend calling very specific attention to the denomination of the bill you're handing the waiter, and making them repeat it back to you before they go off for change. They love to pull the old switcharoo...200 peso bill becomes a 20 peso bill in the blink of an eye.
Let me add just one thing on this: "If you're a relative newbie in Monterrey, do not run a tab"
That only depends on what clubs you are visiting.
Only the mid to lower clubs accept paying per round.
If you go to hoigh end clubs starting Poisson up into Obsession, Premiere, Prestige, Amnesia. The tab is automatic.
As a matter of fact if you do not run a tab, they will not serve you.
On this thing, you have to run a parallel tab in your head, trying to keep count of all drinks being serve to you and to the girls cause they will try to sneak a drink or 2 between rounds.
[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1112218]Your post was dead-on. I will add just a few things to your list:
*Sit in the back seat of the cab at all times, unless you know the driver well. You will have better control of circumstances should you hail a taxi driver that has robbery, or worse, on his mind. From the back seat, if they take off in the wrong direction, and you begin to realize they're placing you in danger, you can choke them out if need be. This scenario is NOT common with taxis. 99% are safe. It has only happened to me once. But, once was too much for me, and I have adopted this practice, especially now since the petty criminals run around with less scrutiny from authorities because the authorities have bigger fish to fry these days.
*Moneda: Collect a bag of coins that you can use for exact change with taxis, or keep a supply of 20 peso bills handy. There are far too many taxis that do not carry sufficient change. Anything over 50 pesos is too large a bill for many of them to deal with.
*If you're planning to come back to Monterrey often, purchase a Mexico phone, and charge it with some saldo (minutes) , so you can send and receive text messages from the girls. That way, you control the information that passes between you and the girl, but you're true identity, and your legitimate phone numbers, are kept secret from the girls, totally separated from your real life.
*Assume an alias when you fraternize with the girls. Keep everything in your personal life separate from what you're doing in Monterrey. Everyone will think they know who they're dealing with, but they really haven't got a clue.
*At your first opportunity after arriving in Monterrey, make an effort to visit a money changer so you can have a selection of lower denomination bills. I recommend that you not have bills that are over the 200 peso denomination in your possession when visiting the bars, and that you preferably pay with bills using the lowest common denominator bills possible. I always make the effort to have a bunch of 20 peso bills (saving them for taxi fare) , and some 50 peso. 100 peso, and 200 peso bills are reserved for the bars, with the 100 peso bill seeming to be the safest denomination with respect to your not getting cheated by the waiters when they bring you your change.
*If you're a relative newbie in Monterrey, do not run a tab, unless you're with an experienced resident of Monterrey who is already well known to the management, and can discern the little attempts at larceny by the waiters. Always pay for the drinks as your order them.
*If you ignore the advice to pay as you go, and you do run a tab, make the waiter repeat back every single charge rather than just showing you a total. They love to come to your dark table, and using a flash light to illuminate a total amount, with no itemized charges being represented on the tab. Even my trustee waiters are famous for just showing total amounts, and spending very little time on the exact charges. About 60% of the time, on those rare occasions that I do run a tab, the bill is "mistakenly" inflated, and I would have paid too much.
* Preferably, exact change, la cuenta + propina, is the best policy when paying for drinks. But, if you can't pay with exact change, especially when you're alone, make a special effort to call attention to the denomination of the bill you're handing to the waiter. I recommend calling very specific attention to the denomination of the bill you're handing the waiter, and making them repeat it back to you before they go off for change. They love to pull the old switcharoo. 200 peso bill becomes a 20 peso bill in the blink of an eye. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monterreydude; 1112792]Let me add just one thing on this: "If you're a relative newbie in Monterrey, do not run a tab"
That only depends on what clubs you are visiting.
Only the mid to lower clubs accept paying per round.
If you go to hoigh end clubs starting Poisson up into Obsession, Premiere, Prestige, Amnesia. The tab is automatic.
As a matter of fact if you do not run a tab, they will not serve you.
On this thing, you have to run a parallel tab in your head, trying to keep count of all drinks being serve to you and to the girls cause they will try to sneak a drink or 2 between rounds. [/QUOTE]Granted. Yes, that's an important point. I virtually NEVER frequent the high end clubs, especially at night. I only attend the high end clubs, specifically Prestige and Obsession, for their lunch buffets. So, I never really push against the policy of their requiring that patrons run a tab. I am usually with you at lunch anyway, and you do a nice job of keeping them honest. So, I don't usually pay close attention to the waiters at Prestige and Obsession. But, even with you watching their every move, they frequently attempt to slip something past us probably 30 percent of the time.
The higher end clubs have an environment where it seems appropriate to insist on our running a tab. Obviously, they have us running tabs because it sets up a scenario where we are likely to buy more drinks and lose track of how much we're spending. But, it also sometimes serves to confuse us sufficiently that the waiters can have a better shot at screwing us over. Their encouraging us to run a tab is followed no matter whether you are sitting in a high end bar or a medium level bar. Fact is, the same companies sometimes simultaneously own certain high end and medium level bars. So, the waiters are encouraged to run customer tabs as part of company policy, especially in those bars whose owners have bars in all the market segments because they know it can really enhance their bottom line.
In the medium level bars, I get the same push to run a tab. Their strategy is the same as in the high end bars. The waiters are always visibly opposed to my paying as I go in the medium level bars. But, I always insist on it even when I can tell they are put off by it. It puts them at a very definite disadvantage with respect their finding an opportunity to slip a drink or two onto the tab. I find that paying as I go keeps me in control, and it significantly curtails their attempts to inflate the bill. But, I can understand that even the honest ones would rather you run a tab because tips are better if they run a tab. If you're paying as you go, they know their tips will not be as high as if you pay the bottom line on a tab. I frequently give the waiters a good tip on the first drink, and often start cutting them slightly back on the repeat orders. So, I know I save myself a little money on tips by paying as I go.
Another thing too. If you are paying as you go, and they know their tips will be slightly curtailed with repeat drinks, they seem to leave you alone a little more than if you're running a tab. They like running up tabs, and they'll bother you a lot more. But, if you pay as you go it's more work for them to have to settle up after each reorder. Waiters don't like to WORK, and they especially don't like to work for less. So...
The typical bill is huge and includes a clube entrance charge. The charges are not clear even in english.
Tipping order suggestion makes sence as a good PR.
[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1112924]Granted. Yes, that's an important point. I virtually NEVER frequent the high end clubs, especially at night. I only attend the high end clubs, specifically Prestige and Obsession, for their lunch buffets. So, I never really push against the policy of their requiring that patrons run a tab. I am usually with you at lunch anyway, and you do a nice job of keeping them honest. So, I don't usually pay close attention to the waiters at Prestige and Obsession. But, even with you watching their every move, they frequently attempt to slip something past us probably 30 percent of the time.
The higher end clubs have an environment where it seems appropriate to insist on our running a tab. Obviously, they have us running tabs because it sets up a scenario where we are likely to buy more drinks and lose track of how much we're spending. But, it also sometimes serves to confuse us sufficiently that the waiters can have a better shot at screwing us over. Their encouraging us to run a tab is followed no matter whether you are sitting in a high end bar or a medium level bar. Fact is, the same companies sometimes simultaneously own certain high end and medium level bars. So, the waiters are encouraged to run customer tabs as part of company policy, especially in those bars whose owners have bars in all the market segments because they know it can really enhance their bottom line.
In the medium level bars, I get the same push to run a tab. Their strategy is the same as in the high end bars. The waiters are always visibly opposed to my paying as I go in the medium level bars. But, I always insist on it even when I can tell they are put off by it. It puts them at a very definite disadvantage with respect their finding an opportunity to slip a drink or two onto the tab. I find that paying as I go keeps me in control, and it significantly curtails their attempts to inflate the bill. But, I can understand that even the honest ones would rather you run a tab because tips are better if they run a tab. If you're paying as you go, they know their tips will not be as high as if you pay the bottom line on a tab. I frequently give the waiters a good tip on the first drink, and often start cutting them slightly back on the repeat orders. So, I know I save myself a little money on tips by paying as I go.
Another thing too. If you are paying as you go, and they know their tips will be slightly curtailed with repeat drinks, they seem to leave you alone a little more than if you're running a tab. They like running up tabs, and they'll bother you a lot more. But, if you pay as you go it's more work for them to have to settle up after each reorder. Waiters don't like to WORK, and they especially don't like to work for less. So. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1112924]Granted. Yes, that's an important point. I virtually NEVER frequent the high end clubs, especially at night. I only attend the high end clubs, specifically Prestige and Obsession, for their lunch buffets. So, I never really push against the policy of their requiring that patrons run a tab. I am usually with you at lunch anyway, and you do a nice job of keeping them honest. So, I don't usually pay close attention to the waiters at Prestige and Obsession. But, even with you watching their every move, they frequently attempt to slip something past us probably 30 percent of the time.
The higher end clubs have an environment where it seems appropriate to insist on our running a tab. Obviously, they have us running tabs because it sets up a scenario where we are likely to buy more drinks and lose track of how much we're spending. But, it also sometimes serves to confuse us sufficiently that the waiters can have a better shot at screwing us over. Their encouraging us to run a tab is followed no matter whether you are sitting in a high end bar or a medium level bar. Fact is, the same companies sometimes simultaneously own certain high end and medium level bars. So, the waiters are encouraged to run customer tabs as part of company policy, especially in those bars whose owners have bars in all the market segments because they know it can really enhance their bottom line.
In the medium level bars, I get the same push to run a tab. Their strategy is the same as in the high end bars. The waiters are always visibly opposed to my paying as I go in the medium level bars. But, I always insist on it even when I can tell they are put off by it. It puts them at a very definite disadvantage with respect their finding an opportunity to slip a drink or two onto the tab. I find that paying as I go keeps me in control, and it significantly curtails their attempts to inflate the bill. But, I can understand that even the honest ones would rather you run a tab because tips are better if they run a tab. If you're paying as you go, they know their tips will not be as high as if you pay the bottom line on a tab. I frequently give the waiters a good tip on the first drink, and often start cutting them slightly back on the repeat orders. So, I know I save myself a little money on tips by paying as I go.
Another thing too. If you are paying as you go, and they know their tips will be slightly curtailed with repeat drinks, they seem to leave you alone a little more than if you're running a tab. They like running up tabs, and they'll bother you a lot more. But, if you pay as you go it's more work for them to have to settle up after each reorder. Waiters don't like to WORK, and they especially don't like to work for less. So. [/QUOTE]
Just a follow-up to this last post. And to elaborate on something I notice about the attitude of the waiters that always kind of surprises me when I am paying as I go, and paying tips accordingly. This scenario comes to mind specifically with respect to the bar Pasarelas, but it works in others of them too, Azul Tequilla, Parthenon, Tango, maybe slightly less at Casino. As I mentioned, when I do pay them as I go, and tip them accordingly with a tip paid on the first round, usually giving them about 15% of the round as a Propina, they seem quite satisfied with that as an all encompassing propina for second round drinks.
I am always surprised that as I order the next rounds, the waiters seem to have little or no expectation for another tip on the second round, even though it would seem they would be entitled to it. There are times that I do tip them for the second and third round service, and there are times that I do not, often skipping paying tips between the first and second round, and then paying a tip again on the third round, usually one that amounts to less than 10% of the round.
On those times that I have not paid them a tip on second rounds, I notice something about their expectation for a tip that surprises me. You can always easily sense the expectation of waiters, their body language, they're waiting around for a tip, etc. It always seems that once I have tipped them well for the first round, their demeanor seems to be accepting that the first round tip was adequate to cover their service on the second round. They don't display any body language suggesting that they expect anything more on second round, and sometimes even with respect to the third rounds. They will, of course, accept more in the way of tips, but they are not expecting them if I pay a good tip on the first round. I try to take care of the waiters, but there are many occasions where I am preoccupied with the girls, and skip giving the waiters a follow-up tip on some subsequent rounds.
The important benefit to paying the tip on the first round with pay as you go, is that the waiters seem to lose their motivation to bother you for additional drinks compared to running a tab. In addition, you can eliminate their opportunity to scam you by paying exact change on the second round, and save money by omitting the tip.
They don't hang around as much being pains in the ass. I suspect it's because they are not motivated to push more drinks as much because they have already received a good tip on the first round, knowing that they may not receive a tip on the second round. I sometimes do tip on the second round, but most of the time I do not, and they know it. When, and if the third round rolls around, which is rare for me, I don't typically buy three rounds for the same girl...But, if opting for a third round, I usually do start the process over again, and tip them, usually around 10% or slightly under the acceptable average.
With pay as you go, and paying good tips on the first round, you can keep them guessing, and they'll usually leave you alone more than if you're running a tab. This whole scenario works if they know you already, and they know your routine, as they do mine. They are accepting of my spotty tipping because they know that I do typically take care of them on average, and that I usually give them relatively good tips overall. But, with pay as you go, they work much harder, running to get change each time, etc...Most of them don't have the energy or motivation to be their customary pains in the ass if they have to work harder for it, and if you remove their opportunity to scam you by paying as you go.
Exactly.
You must always be on guard. Even as a local I need to be wary of the tab,
And yes, tip.
10-15% is the correct amount.
[QUOTE=Sound7; 1113245]The typical bill is huge and includes a clube entrance charge. The charges are not clear even in english.
Tipping order suggestion makes sence as a good PR. [/QUOTE]
"...I avise you and anyone here do not be violent in Monterrey..."
I almost fell off my chair laughing at that!!! :-)))
I recommended putting ourselves in a position to fight back were we to be abducted by a taxi...That is very different than picking a fight, or being "antagonistic."
I suspect some here are so prejudiced against "us," we Gringos, that they would prefer seeing us end up in a mass grave on the outskirts of Monterrey, rather than see us fight back when confronted. The ridiculous accusation that my making a recommendation to enhance our safety, or the idea that someone being abducted by a taxi, is the "antagonista" in Mexico is laughable. Any that actually know me would find those comments that I am the antagonist totally ludicrous.
So, I suspect these posts that warn us to stay away, are more likely rooted in prejudice against all foreign visitors, especially Gringos, and doubly so with respect those coming to Monterrey to visit girls. The agenda behind these "warnings," the attempts to intimidate, the attempts to extort those that have commented here for a decade with legitimate reports and advice, is meant to squash the truth, promote the private interests of the real "antagonists," in order to promote their websites, and to maintain an atmosphere of violence in Mexico, thereby permitting them to more easily profit from it.
I suspect Jackson, the owner of the site, would take exception to that being the purpose of these continuous "Warnings" that we're constantly subjected to, along with the promotion of select websites. I think that Jackson would especially be interested in understanding that the warnings are intended to discourage the exact purpose for which this site was intended. These attempts are most assuredly violations of the rules of the ISG, and grounds for being banned from this site.
By the way, it must also be reiterated, that my making these safety recommendations should in no way be construed as a validation of the hysterical accusations that Monterrey is so violent that none should visit. So, once again, along with the rest of us that know what is and isn't BS, I refute any claims that Monterrey as so dangerous and violent that none should visit.
As for whether some dubious, anonymous "locals," construe me to be "antagonistic," I could not care less... Having a personal opinion, and expressing it in a polite way, is only "antagonistic" to those that have their own self serving agenda that is contrary to the purpose of this site. There are only a few, but far too many, dubious members here that seek to silence those of us that know what is contrary to the truth, and wish to intimidate us into silence.
Fighting back with "reasonable force," when one is victimized by the losers we sometimes encounter in the course of our visits to Monterrey, is simply called "SELF DEFENSE." I engage in various, reasonable levels of self defense all the time, and I will continue to do so, whether I'm targeted for little minor scams, or whether someone is trying to physically harm me.
"You go to the Villagran clubs on Friday or Saturday and sometime only four or five girls working."
Hahaha. Comon'.
Maybe that's because the other 50 girls are in the privados while whoever told you that was playing with his pud on the main floor. :-0
"El Sol paper do a report that show the business in El Centro and Barrio Antigua is down 30. 40 percentage from 2009. The also interview youths that say theyt don't go no more because of the danger."
Promoters of these websites here on ISG, the websites themselves, the newspapers, and other media outlets that dwell on perpetuating the "fear," are aiding and abetting the terrorists (ie: the cartels) by "spreading" the fear.
The reality is, as Larbo wrote so eloquently,
"Monterrey is still safe for people like you and I. Unless you are a member of one of the police units, are a member of a gang, are trying to take over someones turf, or have a suitcase full of money to buy drugs, you are just as safe as you have ever been." That is the truest reality. No agenda.
Why is business down in El Centro and Barrio Antiqua?
Because some individuals within the media, especially those that run, and actively seek to promote, these Narco forums, profit by hyping the violence. These media outlets profit at the detriment of Mexican businesses, tourism, and the total economy of Mexico.
The cartels are engaged in attempts to literally overthrow the Government of Mexico in order to remove the Mexican Government's interference in their sovereign control of the drug industry. This makes the Cartels traitors to Mexico. Were they opposing the government of Mexico for political reasons, one could argue that they do so because they believe themselves to be "patriots," opposing their government for what they perceive as being the greater good. But, because their motivations are strictly profits from criminal acts, and because they are willing to oppose their government for criminal profits, they are traitors, just as certainly as if they were selling State Secrets to enemies of the Mexican people.
But, because they oppose the government strictly with the intention to profit from an illegal industry that preys upon the citizens of Mexico, the Cartels simply have no defensible justification for their activities. That's why I call them traitors to Mexico, because they are willing to turn their backs on their own country for personal profit.
Therefore, if the cartels are traitors to Mexico, are not those that support their attempts to terrorize the public at large, in an effort to destabilize the government of Mexico, not also traitors to Mexico?
Some media outlets do not merely report the news, but are focused on sensationalizing these incidents for profit motives. These websites that El Cazador, and others, like to promote on the ISG are engaged in perpetuating this fear, which indirectly supports the goals and objectives of the cartels.
Anyone that hypes the acts of the cartels, or supports media outlets that engage in promoting these acts as their primary objective, especially for personal profit motives, are traitors to Mexico. They are as indirectly guilty as the terrorists themselves because they are complicit with the cartels in perpetuating the effects of the Cartel's terrible acts upon the public. The effects of these acts upon the public, and upon the government of Mexico, is the purpose of the terrible acts to begin with. The terrible acts, and their promotion on these foros that El Cazador mentioned, serves to destabilize the government of Mexico, ruin Mexican businesses, and further enable the goals and objectives of the drug industry, which is a scourge upon our society as a whole regardless of which country we're discussing.
If business is down 40% in Bario Antigua, the hyping of the terrible acts is having the exact effect upon Mexican society that the traitors desire. This is why the wise advocate opposition to changing their "free" lifestyle, why the wise oppose negotiating with terrorists, etc...If you allow the acts of the terrorists to effect your lifestyle, you enable their tyranny to take hold, and you relinquish your freedom.
Those that are engaged in indirectly supporting the goals and objectives of the cartels through hyping their terrorists acts, and/or those that are so self righteous as to criticize mongers for their acts while simultaneously, perhaps even unwittingly, supporting the goals and objectives of the Cartels, should take a very hard look in the mirror before they advocate patronage of these offending media outlets.
These foros that El Cazador mentions are traitors to Mexico, they support an industry through their own acts that far exceed the theoretical immoral acts that a handful of mongers might have upon the whole of Mexican society.
In contrast, how many mongers are engaged in aiding and abetting murder, such as is the case with the foros El Cazador mentions, or further enabling the goals of the drug cartels through promotion of the detrimental effects of their terrorism upon the public, and the government of Mexico? The answer is NONE...
Pay no attention to these media outlets that seek to distort the big picture in Monterrey, and are complicit with the drug Cartels in their terrorist, traitorous acts. Their agenda is quite clear to those of us that know what the true level of danger is to the average visitor.
Unspongebob.
So you want continue with your antagonista behavior with your bad words. And because some of us here try to inform others the dangers of Monterrey and you don't agree you talk down to us and tell the moderator to ban us. It is obvious you don't live here and not able to acess tv or paper news in Monterrey on a everyday basis. I will tell people what has happen this week in monterrey that I see on Monday to Wednesday as I'm busy and don't watch news on Thursday.
They steal over 600 cars since the new year and probably to make the road bloques in the future. The monterrey police have set up checkpoints and ask for I'd papers to try and find the stolen cars. They have the right to search the car with not your approval.
A school were closed yesterday and 1000 students sent home because of gun battle.
9 people die Wednesday in addition to 10 people on Tuesday.
They find another dead body on madero street close to villagran. 2 men die living azul tequila strip club three months ago.
A local casino is held up by gunmen.
A starbucks is held by gunmen robbing the store and victims.
The plaza arco on madero is shot up by gunmen try to kill the military staying there.
The valle oriente mall close down today the parking because of robberies and car thefts.
You don't live here and it is offending a american try to act like a expert when anybody that live here know the truth the dangers of monterrey. You come here once every three, four months for the weekend does not make you expert.