Monterrey

[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1091001]I had a new girl take my cell phone off my dresser a couple of months ago. I should have known to keep my eye on her. I just dropped my guard. But, in the end, it all worked out. I was 300 pesos poorer, but it was worth every penny to recover an expensive smart phone with all my stuff in it, etc.

I just went back to the bar, told the manager, and offered 300 pesos as a reward for an immediate recovery. I am considered a very good customer, and there was no hesitation in their believing me, or in their moving forward with a recovery.

That is one of the upsides to taking girls from the bars. These managers and waiters get really used to the little propinas they receive, and they drop everything for a regular, paying customer, which I am. They will bend over backwards to keep you happy and make things right, if you're in the right. They don't want to lose their future opportunities for propinas, so they're always very attentive.

It was kind of funny. The bouncers all flocked up upstairs, where all of the girls keep their stuff, and they dumped out a bunch of purses, not just the purse of the girl in question. They ended up with about ten cell phones. They displayed them all to me like they were a deck of cards, and asked me which was mine. I immediately plucked it up out of the pile, showed them that everything was displayed on the phone in Ingles, and that it was indeed mine, paid them their 300 peso ransom, and was on my way.

But, the girl was very angry with me, throwing a big tantrum right there in the bar, trying to represent to all that would listen that I had given it to her. Yeah, right. A $500US smart phone? The manager and the bouncers didn't buy it either, not that it mattered, the 300 pesos was all that mattered to them, and that I was satisfied of course, and I was.

Normally, I would recommend striking that girl from my list of eligible contestants. But, she was actually a pretty good girl in every other way, aside from "OUR" little "incident" as she now describes it.)

A few weeks later, I took her out again, after making up with her in the bar. I nailed everything down in the room, and we had a great time..) But, as it turns out, I don't have to nail down everything now. Now, I don't have to worry too much about her. I keep my eye on her a little bit. But, I think she learned her lesson.

My biggest complaint about girls that are so new to the business is their lack of patience, and their lack of business acumen. Some of these girls are just not that smart about things. Some take longer to realize that you may be worth a lot more to them over time than a silly cell phone. A LOT MORE! I am guilty of forgetting just how short sighted some of these new girls can be. I should know better, and do. But, I just dropped my guard.

So, your warning about crimes of opportunity, and dropping your guard, even with respect to crimes that are not particularly dangerous to us, but are still bothersome and aggravating none the less, is a timely one. [/QUOTE]This is what I am talking about you are antagonista. The girl haveno respect for you and steal your phone so you go back to the club and have all the other girls belongings in there purses reveal also to find your phone. Now everbody in the club know your a fool and the girls are angry becuase all there personal items are exposed because of you. I read four other times the girls steal from you. I tell you that no girls steal from me or my friends or any othes on the monterrey foros. Also, you come visit three or four times a year for a weekend does not make you a regular. You just another customer.

With all your warnings, you have not commented on one single solitary tidbit of mongering information or advise. You have contributed nothing of substance to the forum, other than to pander to the goals and objectives of the Cartels, namely to hype the effects of their attempts to terrorize. What else are we to think of your motives when you contribute nothing more?

On the other hand, I have relayed countless reports of my mongering experiences in Monterrey, otherwise you would be clueless about the stolen cell phone incident, and/or any of the other minor negative, or positive, experiences I may have had. I revealed my direct mongering experiences to the forum for the protection of other mongers that choose to go on salida. I have made contributions of substance that relate to mongering, and the purpose of this forum. You, on the other hand, are totally consumed by discouraging us from mongering. What else are we expected to think of your motives?

I doubt you have ever taken one single solitary girl on salida. Otherwise, why would you not have felt an obligation to convey the details of your experiences to the forum membership before now?

Had you ever taken girls on salida, you would realize that when taking girls out of the bars you always run a slight risk of being victimized by them with respect to petty larceny, disappointing performance, reduced time, etc...These girls are from a class that is more often prone to attempt to take advantage when the opportunity arises. They are con-women, rip-off artists, and thieves, in varying degrees, by trade.

I am not naive as to this potential for these kinds of negative experiencing occurring, just careless occasionally with respect to dropping my own guard. It literally has nothing to do with whether they interpret me to be antagonistic, mean, nasty, rude, callous, nice, or anything in between. It is more a matter of their being willing to take advantage of anyone and everyone when the opportunity arises.

Anyone that knows anything about mongering, knows this. But, your jumping to conclusions that I am to blame for the low class behavior of these bar girls reveals your own naivete with respect to mongering. My being victimized by this class of person only serves to reveal that you're virtually clueless and totally inexperienced with respect to having engaged in mongering activities.

I also point out that I did not personally order the bouncers to search through the girl's belongings. It was not a specific search of all the girls purses that I requested. I merely offered a reward for the recovery of my property. The bouncer's means of recovery was entirely up to them. They chose the most effective means available to them. I'm sure they took the character of the bar girls in general fully into account before deciding on their strategy, knowing that most of them could not be trusted any further than they could throw them, and literally not really caring whether the girl was embarrassed, angry, in denial, etc...Frankly, I didn't really care how they recovered "MY PROPERTY" either. Besides, the bouncers, the waiters, and the bar girls are all birds of the same feather...get it, "birds of the same feather flock together." The bouncers were best equipped to deal with the situation, and they did so according to their own code of conduct within the class that they all ascribe to.

As for the other girls in the bar having any anger toward me for having recovered my own property, I suppose that's why they still beg me quite regularly to take them on salida every time I see them. And, frankly, there is one nice side note to their having witnessed this little incident with the stolen cell phone. It puts every single one of them on notice that while I may have dropped my guard with one of them, I will ultimately prevail in the end, and that I have no hesitancy about protecting myself, or setting things straight, at their expense, should they themselves attempt to consider victimizing me. Let them think they will suffer the same result were they to engage in the same kind of behavior. I am fine with that.

There are others of us that post here that are living in Monterrey, as well as a number of regular contributors that visit often from the US, that have considerable experience visiting Monterrey for many years. I am not the only one here that has disputed your hysterical rant concerning the supposed dangers of visiting Monterrey.

In one of your last posts you suggested there are much better places to Monger than Monterrey. Do these other destinations compare with Monterrey with respect to cost, travel time from the USA, quality of experience, etc? If so, please name them, and detail the range of your experience in those destinations. I would love to hear the range of your experience, and just exactly where the better destinations are located, places that one can visit that are as inexpensive, close to the USA with respect to travel time, etc.

I disagree with your assessment of things, and I firmly dispute your claims in order to set the record straight. I could just as easily accuse you of being the true "antagonista" since you seem equally motivated to discourage all mongers from visiting Monterrey based soley on things you're reading on blogs that could just as easily be the creation of the drug cartels to further the effects of their terrorism upon the public.

I wonder, do you also discourage we mongers from calling up our escorts? I mean, we don't have to go to El Centro, or expose ourselves to any danger when calling upon our escorts.

What about all the residents of Monterrey that have no choice but to live in Monterrey, work in Monterrey, raise families in Monterrey, all FIVE MILLION of them?

Are you going to advocate that they not monger as well?

Do you advise them to do a mass exodus because Blog Narco, or one of your other websites, say that they are all in danger of being murdered?

If they can live here, I can live here. And, if all FIVE MILLION can live here, an occasional visitor can quite easily visit Monterrey to monger and survive. NO SWEAT! That is not my being antagonistic...it is merely the truth!!!

If you are considering a visit to Monterrey, you can watch local TV channel 12 via streaming video from the US at: [url]http://www.multimedios.tv/[/url].

If visitors that are considering a trip to Monterrey would like to watch the newscasts, they can check the live newscasts, which start at 6:00 am Central time.

I also read Milenio newspaper, which all visitors can read before coming to Monterrey: [url]http://www.milenio.com[/url]

They do not need the Blog Narco, Border Land Beat, or any of these other crime beat BS websites. They are shills of the Cartels, ones whose sole purpose is to hype the terrorism effects upon the public, and benefit the Cartels by instilling fear over the heinous acts of the Cartels, acts that are intended to be especially heinous in order to terrorize the public, and destabilize the government. Some of these blogs like Blog Narco, and Borderland are instrumental in spreading the hype. Some, like Apache Goucho, are just a bunch of snot nosed teens with excessive time on their hands and computer keyboards.

You can discern the immaturity of the contributors quite easily, and you can make your own assessment...

Some here on ISG are now intent on promoting these sites. I doubt their motives, not only because I doubt the veracity of these websites, and their true motivations, but also because I live here, and I realize that the dangers that some are continually warning us about are not as they are representing them to be. I also recognize the that there is a origin of immaturity in the way these sites are presented.

The best proof you have that I DO know what I am talking about with respect to the extent of the risk here is that I realize the content of these sites is bogus, and YOU CAN NOT BULLSHIT ME! I DO LIVE HERE!!!

There are dangers, but they simply are not as you've seen them represented by these shills in their self serving attempts at promotion of their privately owned websites, and their total and complete lack of contribution with respect to their actual mongering experiences.

The victims of crime in Monterrey are primarily drug on drug dealers, crimes against the police and the government, crimes committed between known associates, and petty larceny.

Crimes committed that are unrelated to the drug business, robbery, stolen vehicles, etc...are no worse than the crime statistics in Chicago.

If you are aware of your surroundings, and you are careful with respect to how you conduct yourself in Monterrey, ie: remain alert and sober as you monger about, you will have no problems, and your risk will be very, very minimal.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1115133]If you are considering a visit to Monterrey, you can watch local TV channel 12 via streaming video from the US at:

[url]http://www.multimedios.tv/[/url]

If visitors that are considering a trip to Monterrey would like to watch the newscasts, they can check the live newscasts, which start at 6:00 am Central time.

I also read Milenio newspaper, which all visitors can read before coming to Monterrey:

[url]http://www.milenio.com[/url]

They do not need the Blog Narco, Border Land Beat, or any of these other crime beat BS websites. They are shills of the Cartels, ones whose sole purpose is to hype the terrorism effects upon the public, and benefit the Cartels by instilling fear over the heinous acts of the Cartels, acts that are intended to be especially heinous in order to terrorize the public, and destabilize the government. Some of these blogs like Blog Narco, and Borderland are instrumental in spreading the hype. Some, like Apache Goucho, are just a bunch of snot nosed teens with excessive time on their hands and computer keyboards.

You can discern the immaturity of the contributors quite easily, and you can make your own assessment.

Some here on ISG are now intent on promoting these sites. I doubt their motives, not only because I doubt the veracity of these websites, and their true motivations, but also because I live here, and I realize that the dangers that some are continually warning us about are not as they are representing them to be. I also recognize the that there is a origin of immaturity in the way these sites are presented.

The best proof you have that I DO know what I am talking about with respect to the extent of the risk here is that I realize the content of these sites is bogus, and YOU CAN NOT BULLSHIT ME! I DO LIVE HERE!

There are dangers, but they simply are not as you've seen them represented by these shills in their self serving attempts at promotion of their privately owned websites, and their total and complete lack of contribution with respect to their actual mongering experiences.

The victims of crime in Monterrey are primarily drug on drug dealers, crimes against the police and the government, crimes committed between known associates, and petty larceny.

Crimes committed that are unrelated to the drug business, robbery, stolen vehicles, etc. Are no worse than the crime statistics in Chicago.

If you are aware of your surroundings, and you are careful with respect to how you conduct yourself in Monterrey, ie: remain alert and sober as you monger about, you will have no problems, and your risk will be very, very minimal.[/QUOTE]I believe El Cazador is promoting an agenda that is not consistant with the needs and desires of the members for which this site was established. He will not listen to reason, and continues to return to his initial position of how "horrible" the conditions in Monterrey are.

Your post regarding the Monterrey crime issue, El Cazador's continuing rants, and his complete refusal to listen to what we know to be fact, was well written. I suggest you shorten it slightly, and add a short sentence or two at the beginning explaining that this is to be the standard response to all of the El Cazador rants. Then we can all use it regardless of what issue he raises. We simply paste it as a response for the edification of newbies or infrequent readers.

I suppose I should not have lumped Apache Gacho into the same category as Blog Narco, etc...The Narco Sites are not really the same focus as the Apache Gacho Site. But, reference was made here to the Plata Escort Site.

Lets just say that I happen to have the means to easily uncover the network, domain information, and the location, for any given IP address in the world, and/or domain name.

This can be beneficial in many ways, from verifying a customer's physical location to tracking a hacker's attempt into our system. But, it also serves to capture information about the server's originating source when there are hacking attempts so we can trace their origins. The information that is captured within the trace log file is typically only intended to be used by support personnel to trace a problem to its source and determine why an error might have occurred in our system. But, I am guilty of taking the intended use of this capability in our system a little further...

I always find it very interesting to track some of these "suspicious" posts on ISG, and determine their origins. I just use it to directly pinpoint the original source of certain posts, even if the source runs through a clandestine server, such as ISGs in Argentina.

Some of these recent posts are originating through the Apache Gacho server in Monterrey. Just a little cyber trivia about where some of these recent comments on ISG are coming from. It's just another reason why I am so often revealing my suspicions, and why I sometimes react with such serious doubt about the veracity of certain posts.

[QUOTE=Larbo; 1115188]I believe El Cazador is promoting an agenda that is not consistant with the needs and desires of the members for which this site was established. He will not listen to reason, and continues to return to his initial position of how "horrible" the conditions in Monterrey are.

Your post regarding the Monterrey crime issue, El Cazador's continuing rants, and his complete refusal to listen to what we know to be fact, was well written. I suggest you shorten it slightly, and add a short sentence or two at the beginning explaining that this is to be the standard response to all of the El Cazador rants. Then we can all use it regardless of what issue he raises. We simply paste it as a response for the edification of newbies or infrequent readers. [/QUOTE]

I appreciate the suggestion. I suppose the post could be moved to the Reports of Distinction threads so all can read the realities. However, in an effort to demonstrate that my posts are legit, and my motives are made in good faith, I am reluctant to post something now that might be read were things to further deteriorate in Monterrey.

Things have, over the last couple of years, become more dangerous than they once were when we all started to visit Monterrey. I recall when Monterrey was one of the safest cities in Mexico, and it wasn't that long ago. For now, I do not believe that the safety level has deteriorated to the extent that we should stop coming to Monterrey, or that I should move back to the US. But, it is more dangerous than when we first started coming here.

In light of things becoming more dangerous, I have always advocated using just a little more caution, and perhaps paying a little more attention to our routines, knowing that if we do so, we are in very little danger of being victimized.

It is possible that things could deteriorate further to a point where I would not recommend coming to Monterrey, or that I would consider returning to the US to wait it out. But, for now, things in the bars, and things concerning our mongering in Monterrey, are not to the extent that El Cazador has represented. Therefore, I do not endorse his position.

I have no agenda. Were I to decide that things had deteriorated to the extent that I no longer believed it to be sufficiently safe to risk a visit, or to live here, I would say so. The problem I have with these "crime reports" is that the posters produce no reports of having visited clubs, seen escorts, gone on salida, etc. Or, if they do post reports of having visited the clubs, their reports are totally discredited after having been investigated by the membership that does regularly visit the bars.

For example, the bogus report of transvestites in El Infinito, the bogus report of people shot in El Infinito, the bogus bar girl story about gun battles in El Infinito, etc. All the reports like these have been proven to be plants by those that have a sole agenda to discourage visits to Monterrey, and more specifically to force a self righteous change in attitude, through fear, upon we mongers in general. Yet, they produce no substantiated examples of their being any greater danger to patrons in the bars, ones that are uninvolved in the drug business, only that there are increased incidents of crime and violence in their society as a whole. Dugggghhhhh, we all know that, right?

They really provide no evidence that the danger level within the clubs is any more dangerous than it has ever been in the past, only reports of crimes occurring in close proximity to the bars, or crime occurring within the context of the drug war going on in Monterrey these days. Certainly, those incidents suggest a increased level of potential danger compared to a number of years ago, but no more than what you would experience in most major cities with 5 million residents with respect to our own time spent sitting quietly in one of the strip clubs here.

The problem I have with these "speculators" is that they've produced no direct evidence of increased dangers in bars, other than fabricated ones, and my visits to the bars don't reveal any increased danger level compared to many years ago. So, it's quite obvious that because those posters are basing their total assessment of the dangers solely upon what's reported in the Narco Blogs, they really have no direct experience in the bars as mongers, nor do they have any evidence that any incidents are occurring in them.

I happen to personally know that their agenda is to discourage what they perceive as the immoral act of mongering. There is also a racist bias against Gringos within their ranks. They are self righteous zealots with their own brand of morality, and they want to curtail our participation in mongering. And, by hyping our fears, they believe they can achieve their goals.

That's why I pointed out to them that their self righteous brand of morality is apparently just fine with them when they aid and abet the cartels by hyping the effects of the terrorism upon the public at large. The Cartels are engaged in terrorism, and the Narco Blogs are instrumental in spreading the effects of acts that are so heinous that they could be committed for no other reason than to terrorize for effect.

These posters that warn us with not substantiated evidence actually own these Narco blogs directly, and their agenda is to simultaneously promote their business interests in those Blogs, while also satisfying their own self righteous motivations to discourage mongering. I also believe they're are simultaneously, perhaps even subconsciously, satisfying their own racial bias against visitors to Monterrey by discouraging visits by Gringos to their country.

These posters have no problem with being complicit with the Cartels in aiding and abetting murder and mayhem through their promotional sensationalizing of the crimes committed by the cartels, thereby giving comfort and aid to the enemy, but they are morally appalled over the idea of a few free spirited Gringos, and Mexicanos, getting some skirt. Their moral compass is perverted, that's for sure.

That's why I recommended they take a good hard look in the mirror before they continue perpetrating their tactics upon us on account of some perverted superior morality justification.

If they were to post recommendations on protecting one's self while in transit to the bars, or while out on the streets of Monterrey, I would have no argument with them. But, that's not their agenda. Their agenda is to discourage mongering, and to do so through promoting an atmosphere of fear for their own twisted morally perverted motivations, because they resent our having expertise in their country, specifically because we have expertise mongering with Mexican girls in their country, and more accurately because they are racially biased against some of us.

What is really comical is that these dubious posters are accusing me of having no experience in Monterrey, yet I know exactly who they are, I know their agenda, I know where they live, I know their posts are bogus, I know their motivations, I know their tactics, I know their attempts at extortion and intimidation beyond anything that's been revealed here in this forum, etc...Were I not experienced in Monterrey, and were I just a quarterly visitor, visiting only for a few days on the weekend, as they are accusing me of being, would I know all of this about them?

If they would just shut the f*ck up, I would be just as pleased to fade back into the background again, and I would be content at just offering my assistance with logistics, etc...but, they persist in their BS. They accuse me of antagonism, which launches me into these admittedly excessive diatribes, which I always ultimately regret perpetrating on the membership.

The reality is I am always quite perfectly satisfied staying totally silent for weeks on end these days, until legitimate inquiries come in, sincerely only wanting to offer assistance in answering legitimate mongers about their plans to come to Monterrey, perhaps also offering an occasional report on noteworthy things that have happened to me down here. But, they just can't leave it alone. They would love to see me, and others of us that really do know the score, just go away so they could perpetrate their BS on all the unsuspecting Gringo and newbie visitors. They would love having no "antagonistas" to call their bluff.

[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 756483]Sure, some are saying guapo, mi angel, mi amor, rico, etc.

And they are thinking "el banco," "el dinero," "los pesos," etc.

Some are thinking "el abuelo," "el hombre muy viejo," such as "A" at Prestige, etc.

And the worst of them are thinking "el mamon." In that, we agree..)

All the more reason to stick with my GF. [/QUOTE]@la parca.

I try not insulting unspongebob. I am only telling you what I have read in this foro. He admit the women here in monterrey think he is a mamon. In fact, he insult me first by not have respect for my opinions on the security of el centro right now. Nobody in monterrey think el centro in the late night is safe for a gringo that is alone and drinking.

@others.

The bars in colinas are more safe and upscale like american bars. The streets are cantu gomez cross with periferico. There are 6 o 7 bars with in the same corner and some have entrance fee and some no. Your personality and style depend if you like the club or not but the corner have many variety. These clubs are not for salida and if you ask a girl for pay you may have problems with others. These bars are not for old people or gringo mamons.

[QUOTE=El Cazador; 1116974]@la parca.

I try not insulting unspongebob. I am only telling you what I have read in this foro. He admit the women here in monterrey think he is a mamon. In fact, he insult me first by not have respect for my opinions on the security of el centro right now. Nobody in monterrey think el centro in the late night is safe for a gringo that is alone and drinking.

@others.

The bars in colinas are more safe and upscale like american bars. The streets are cantu gomez cross with periferico. There are 6 o 7 bars with in the same corner and some have entrance fee and some no. Your personality and style depend if you like the club or not but the corner have many variety. These clubs are not for salida and if you ask a girl for pay you may have problems with others. These bars are not for old people or gringo mamons.[/QUOTE]It sounds to me that you are talking about regular bars. Are you talking about regular bars where you can dance with the girls. I remember visiting Monterrey and seeing Bar International. There is also the dance bar near El Infinito.

Aren't you talking apples and oranges when you compare a regular bar that has pretty, young girls to a bar with young, sexy strippers that perform sex acts in little cubicles?

I don't think you are talking about the same kind of bars in Colinas that we visit in Monterrey, and report on at the ISG.

Because, if you are talking about bars where the girls perform sex acts, we are all scum of the earth to the girls, and they talk behind our backs all the time. They are mostly interested smiling sexily to your face, and picking your pocket at their first opportunity.

It sounds like this is not the same kind of scenario you're describing in Colinas. Granted, it would be safer in the environment you describe in Colinas, but you aren't likely to get any.

Honestly, I am 25 years old, married, and visit every few months. I lurk on the ISG, and comment infrequently. But, I have no interest in picking up girls from a regular,"American" style bar. I can do that in Houston.

I go to Monterrey to see naked dancing girls prance around on stage, and I like cutting directly to the chase and having them end up in my hotel room in the shortest amount of time possible, and as cheaply as possible.

I don't much care whether they find me young and attractive, or ugly, old, or feeble, as long as I can get in their pants and it doesn't cost too much.

If all I am doing is ensuring my comparative safety by visiting bars in Colinas, then I'll just stay in Houston.

[QUOTE=Angelmio; 1117080]It sounds to me that you are talking about regular bars. Are you talking about regular bars where you can dance with the girls. I remember visiting Monterrey and seeing Bar International. There is also the dance bar near El Infinito.

Aren't you talking apples and oranges when you compare a regular bar that has pretty, young girls to a bar with young, sexy strippers that perform sex acts in little cubicles?

I don't think you are talking about the same kind of bars in Colinas that we visit in Monterrey, and report on at the ISG.

Because, if you are talking about bars where the girls perform sex acts, we are all scum of the earth to the girls, and they talk behind our backs all the time. They are mostly interested smiling sexily to your face, and picking your pocket at their first opportunity.

It sounds like this is not the same kind of scenario you're describing in Colinas. Granted, it would be safer in the environment you describe in Colinas, but you aren't likely to get any.

Honestly, I am 25 years old, married, and visit every few months. I lurk on the ISG, and comment infrequently. But, I have no interest in picking up girls from a regular,"American" style bar. I can do that in Houston.

I go to Monterrey to see naked dancing girls prance around on stage, and I like cutting directly to the chase and having them end up in my hotel room in the shortest amount of time possible, and as cheaply as possible.

I don't much care whether they find me young and attractive, or ugly, old, or feeble, as long as I can get in their pants and it doesn't cost too much.

If all I am doing is ensuring my comparative safety by visiting bars in Colinas, then I'll just stay in Houston.[/QUOTE]If things are not as El Cazador says, and you decide to stay home, what good does that do? I been to Monterrey several times over the last several months, and from what I saw of the bars in Monterrey, it was safe. I don't mean to disrespect El Cazador, but he hasn't backed up anything with actual details. USB says its because he has a destructive agenda. USB has over 1000 posts, and his credibility with other mongers is well established here. I don't see where having a disagreement with someone, and challenging them on what they say is disrespectful. If USB is says it's safe, I wouldn't take the word of someone else who is accused of having a destructive agenda, and they have only 4 posts, none of which verifies the validity of their claims.

[QUOTE=Angelmio; 1117080]It sounds to me that you are talking about regular bars. Are you talking about regular bars where you can dance with the girls. I remember visiting Monterrey and seeing Bar International. There is also the dance bar near El Infinito.

Aren't you talking apples and oranges when you compare a regular bar that has pretty, young girls to a bar with young, sexy strippers that perform sex acts in little cubicles?

I don't think you are talking about the same kind of bars in Colinas that we visit in Monterrey, and report on at the ISG.

Because, if you are talking about bars where the girls perform sex acts, we are all scum of the earth to the girls, and they talk behind our backs all the time. They are mostly interested smiling sexily to your face, and picking your pocket at their first opportunity.

It sounds like this is not the same kind of scenario you're describing in Colinas. Granted, it would be safer in the environment you describe in Colinas, but you aren't likely to get any.

Honestly, I am 25 years old, married, and visit every few months. I lurk on the ISG, and comment infrequently. But, I have no interest in picking up girls from a regular,"American" style bar. I can do that in Houston.

I go to Monterrey to see naked dancing girls prance around on stage, and I like cutting directly to the chase and having them end up in my hotel room in the shortest amount of time possible, and as cheaply as possible.

I don't much care whether they find me young and attractive, or ugly, old, or feeble, as long as I can get in their pants and it doesn't cost too much.

If all I am doing is ensuring my comparative safety by visiting bars in Colinas, then I'll just stay in Houston. [/QUOTE]Bar International is across the street from Pasarelas, the strip club, on Madero. I have only attended Bar International one time. It's a bar where the girls show up, and they dance with guys, there's a live band, and there is no on-site sexual stuff going on. You pay the girls standing on the side lines a small tip to dance with them, or you can buy them a drink. There's also a bar on the corner of Villagran and Carlos Salazar where the routine is the same.

Those bars are quite popular, especially on the weekends. But, they are NOT STRIP CLUBS. They are just regular bars where the girls show up to drink, dance, and make a little extra money for dancing. Some girls will likely go on dates with you on the outside, and you can probably end up in the sack with them, probably for a fee, but maybe even freebies if you are between 20-30 years old. But, you have to be much more discrete in your endeavors than we are as mongers, even when you are only 20-30 years old. It's more like trying to get a girl to go on a date where the end result is totally left up to chance and speculation, certainly less predictable than what we expect to find in the strip clubs on salida.

As I said, I did visit these dance bars a couple of times just out of curiosity. But, who among us wants to waste their time with that nonsense. First of all, the girls are NOT nearly as HOT as in the strip clubs. Secondly, you'll waste huge inordinate amounts of time going through the mating ritual with them. Thirdly, you may go through the mating ritual, spend a little money on them, but get NOWHERE. Fourthly, the girls are totally free lance, and you have no recourse with the bar should things go bad. And, of course, were you to get the girls into the sack, they have had absolutely no health checks whatsoever.

If these are the bars that we want to go to, we may as well stay home. Do any of us like the bars in the US for mongering? You will hear a resounding "NO" that will echo for ETERNITY here on the ISG! And, that's exactly why I've been so adamant about asking for specific details from those that claim alternatives, and are discouraging us from visiting the strip clubs in Monterrey. Because, if their alternative is what's being recommended, we are not talking apples for apples, we are not talking apples for oranges, we are talking Steak versus Rotten Apples.

Furthermore, with respect to age, certainly if you are only 20-30 years old, then you have a shot at 20-30 year old girls, and you have a shot at them for free. You will still probably have to go through the mating ritual, spend money on them, maybe just as much as you will have spent at the strip club, and you will have to deal with them as "legitimate dates."

When these youngsters turn "of age," they will acknowledge the merits of the strips clubs, where you can still enjoy your time with girls that are 18-28 years old, girls that may actually be HOTTER than you've ever experienced in your "real life" day to day, and you can do so for probably less than a legitimate date has ever cost you.

You can have what you have desired to have from your legitimate dates all of your life, but rarely gotten. And, you will have none of the damned responsibility of a "relationship," unless you choose that route.

These realities are apparently lost on same, due to the arrogance of youth. These are things they will sorely miss on their 31st birthday. They will realize that their youth is not of their own doing, and they will simultaneously realize that the time spent learning about women in their 20-30s will enable them to appeal to 18-28 year old woman far more effectively when they are middle aged than they would have ever dreamed possible at age 20-30. But, they will NEVER learn these lessons outside the strip clubs/mongering environment. Why?

Because the women are in control of us in the legitimate world. If you want to learn the lessons of how to appeal to 20-30 year old women well into middle age, it takes practice at being middle aged, and learning the lessons that most impetuous youth are too inexperienced and full of themselves to understand or utilize. They do not understand that the premise of pay for play permits an opening with certain types of girls half our age for legitimate GFE (that means "Girlfriend Experience" for people in Rio Linda (ie: Guadelupe).

Without that opening of opportunity, achieved through the strip club environment, paying the hotties for their undivided attention, at least for two hours, to have the opportunity to work on the girls and their psyche, most of the 20-30 year old girls are as closed minded as their male counterparts to those of us that are middle aged. And, some younger girls will never open their psyche to the possibilities. Some are as close minded by the arrogance of youth as their male counterparts.

But, by paying them to dispense with all the formalities, if one is patient, in the privacy of ones own controlled environment on salida, behind closed doors, away from society's prying eyes and social norms, the middle aged man learns the truth about young girls a older men. That's the reality. It takes more work as an older man, work that requires thought and knowledge about the opposite sex, work that requires concentration and planning, and to do so much more methodically than you ever did at 20-30 years of age.

If you are 20-30 years old, you can be hard headed, refusing to open your mind. You can take the arrogant youthful position, believing yourself far superior to middle aged men with respect to sexual prowess and romantic acumen with younger women. That's fine, you'll just continue to be arrogant. Perhaps you will continue your bull headed arrogance well into your 40s, believing you still have what it takes, and there's no need to open your mind to the range of possibilities.

But, MARK MY WORDS...you will, out of necessity, come back to my statements here. You will eventually contemplate the importance of this little gem of life, that you can, through a little enlightenment and open mindedness, realize your potential. Older men can be just as attractive and desirable to younger women. That's a profound realization that pales all of lives lessons in comparison. Open your mind, stop focusing so much on congratulating yourself for being young, something you have no part in accomplishing.

What is really nice about being middle aged is knowing that you can skillfully employ the knowledge about women that you've amassed over a lifetime of practice, and you can have GF experiences with young HOT girls by paying attention to the subtle differences between men and women. But, what is really cool about the strip club girls is this...

If all your moves don't work in accomplishing GFE results, you have a plan B that sometimes works just as well...

$$$$$$$. :-)))

Been a lurker here for a long time. This discussion about older guys having no game has me chuckling.

I happen to treat a fair amount of younger women that have come off of relationships with older men, older men that have literally swept them off their feet, and them dumped them for others so they could move on to even greener pastures. Many of these older dudes are real players. They spend there "golden years" getting a hell of a lot more action than most young guys I know. This is such an issue in my profession that there's a tongue and cheek article in one of our psychiatric journals. My advice? Don't underestimate these guys. The fire is still burning hotly in the old furnace.

Actually, while these are mostly just funny, the capitalized ones are quite often the actual reasons why most of my patients started seeing older men, and eventually fell in love with them.

Here's the list of the Top 50 Reasons Why Young Women Date Older Men. I hope you enjoy the laughs.

1. He knows a lot of useless stuff and makes a great partner in games like Scrabble, Trivial Pursuit and Balderdash.

2. HE IS WELL READ. He can explain a book's plot and storyline to you quickly and succinctly, thereby saving you the time it would take to actually read the book. It's like having your own personal set of Cliff Notes.

3. This gives you more free time to spend his money at malls, outlet stores, and online.

4. He knows a lot about music. He can name the band that Paul McCartney played with prior to Wings.

5. You can borrow his Grecian Formula to patch any bleached sun spots in your hair.

6. THE BIG BEDROOM. And / or guest rooms in his house means no rent for you and eventually your friends / relatives can move in too.

7. HE HAS SOME. Serious pension / social security money coming to him every month.

8. If you sprain your ankle, you can use his cane.

9. He qualifies for early bird senior discounts at restaurants.

10. He's entitled to senior bus fares.

11. HE WILL OPEN DOORS AND PULL OUT CHAIRS FOR YOU. He is well mannered.

12. If he gets too chatty, you can hide his teeth.

13. Qualifies for AARP membership privileges.

14. HE ACTUALLY REALLY CARES. He'll call to check up on you 3-5 times per day.

15. HE WILL GIVE YOU FLOWERS, CANDY, PRESENTS, and best of all COLD HARD CASH.

16. HE LIKES HOLDING HANDS, HUGS, KISSING, AND TALKING-NOT JUST SEX.

17. You won't need to pay for AAA roadside service because he'll pick you up whenever your car breaks down.

18. He'll effectively replace your dad for when pops isn't around. ' (Celebrate Father's Day twice!)

19. SEX WITH HIM WAS CARING.

20. No random late-night booty calls, because he goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

21. HE DIDN'T TRY TO CHANGE ME.

22. He can help you with your homework.

23. HE'S SEXUALLY EXPERIENCED. IF YOU LIKE IT OR WANT TO TRY IT, HE HAS DONE IT (And more than once.)

24. HE WON'T PRETEND TO LISTEN TO YOU JUST SO HE CAN GET INTO YOUR PANTS.

25. HE GETS A REGULAR PAY CHECK.

26. HE HAS A FUTURE, AND CAN GIVE ME A BETTER ONE THAN I CAN GIVE MYSELF, OR WHAT A YOUNG GUY OFFERS.

27. YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY FOR CAR REPAIRS.

28. Dating him will shock your folks. They may even throw lots of money at you to stop dating him.

29. HE PROVIDES BETTER, MORE INTELLIGENT AND ENGROSSING CONVERSATIONS. (How long can you talk about trucks, extreme sports and partying anyway?)

30. HE'S NOT SLEEPING ON MOM'S COUCH, OR LIVING WITH HIS PARENTS.

31. You don't have to worry about him looking at other women. (He's vision is probably so shot he can't see them).

32. HE'S ARTICULATE AND KNOWS BIG WORDS. (Improve your vocabulary).

33. HE WILL "TREAT" 100% OF THE TIME. (Young guys don't have cash, credit cards, or in many cases, wallets.)

34. HE DRESSES BETTER. Won't show up in his one pair of ratty jeans all the time. Means you can get into nice restaurants / clubs.

35. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY DRUG BAGGAGE. He may have smoked pot in the '60's and '70's; or did coke in the '80's and '90's, but chances are he's clean now. (Otherwise he'the probably be dead.)

36. He'll actually dance with you at night clubs. He'll be the hit of the party when he pulls out his 'Funky Chicken. '

37. HE'S NOT A SEX MANIAC. HE WANTS ALL OF ME.

38. YOU WON'T GET PREGNANT. He's had a visectomy for years, or you won't have to worry about getting pregnant. Or, his sperm cells are so old, they're swimming backstroke

39. HE'S AN ATTENTIVE LOVER, and won't forget your name or order pizza immediately after he has an orgasm.

40. I GET ALONG WITH HIM SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOUNGER GUYS. He won't argue with you over little, meaningless things.

41. He won't ask you a bunch of personal, prying questions, like 'What's your name? '

42. I CAN COUNT ON HIM. He won't run away. At least not very far. Or very fast.

43. HE TREATS ME LIKE I'm NOT A DUMB BLONDE. I can talk to him, and he understands me.

44. He'll memorize your phone number, which comes in handy if you get too drunk and forget it.

45. He'll turn you on to old-school chick flicks like The Graduate, Love Story and Breakfast at Tiffany's.

46. HE HAS A NICE CAR. Park your Hyundai and start driving his Infiniti, Porsche, Lexus, Mercedes or BMW.

47. HE'LL TAKE YOU ON INCREDIBLE VACATIONS, unlike young guys. No more Vegas, Palm Springs and Tijuana during Spring Break. Say Hello, to cruises to Europe and Australia, ski trips to Aspenand Telluride and African safaris.

48. He won't be jealous of your vibrator. He's realistic!

49. He won't be text messaging you all the time. He doesn't know how!

50. When he dies, you can date his cute son (s)!

[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1091001]I had a new girl take my cell phone off my dresser a couple of months ago. I should have known to keep my eye on her. I just dropped my guard. But, in the end, it all worked out. I was 300 pesos poorer, but it was worth every penny to recover an expensive smart phone with all my stuff in it, etc.

I just went back to the bar, told the manager, and offered 300 pesos as a reward for an immediate recovery. I am considered a very good customer, and there was no hesitation in their believing me, or in their moving forward with a recovery.

That is one of the upsides to taking girls from the bars. These managers and waiters get really used to the little propinas they receive, and they drop everything for a regular, paying customer, which I am. They will bend over backwards to keep you happy and make things right, if you're in the right. They don't want to lose their future opportunities for propinas, so they're always very attentive.

It was kind of funny. The bouncers all flocked up upstairs, where all of the girls keep their stuff, and they dumped out a bunch of purses, not just the purse of the girl in question. They ended up with about ten cell phones. They displayed them all to me like they were a deck of cards, and asked me which was mine. I immediately plucked it up out of the pile, showed them that everything was displayed on the phone in Ingles, and that it was indeed mine, paid them their 300 peso ransom, and was on my way.

But, the girl was very angry with me, throwing a big tantrum right there in the bar, trying to represent to all that would listen that I had given it to her. Yeah, right. A $500US smart phone? The manager and the bouncers didn't buy it either, not that it mattered, the 300 pesos was all that mattered to them, and that I was satisfied of course, and I was.

Normally, I would recommend striking that girl from my list of eligible contestants. But, she was actually a pretty good girl in every other way, aside from "OUR" little "incident" as she now describes it.)

A few weeks later, I took her out again, after making up with her in the bar. I nailed everything down in the room, and we had a great time..) But, as it turns out, I don't have to nail down everything now. Now, I don't have to worry too much about her. I keep my eye on her a little bit. But, I think she learned her lesson.

My biggest complaint about girls that are so new to the business is their lack of patience, and their lack of business acumen. Some of these girls are just not that smart about things. Some take longer to realize that you may be worth a lot more to them over time than a silly cell phone. A LOT MORE! I am guilty of forgetting just how short sighted some of these new girls can be. I should know better, and do. But, I just dropped my guard.

So, your warning about crimes of opportunity, and dropping your guard, even with respect to crimes that are not particularly dangerous to us, but are still bothersome and aggravating none the less, is a timely one. [/QUOTE]Mangas Coloradas make a post here last week suggest that the word mamóand is used common by the girls in the bars to descibe us. This is wrong and Unspongebob experience above is a good example. I do not respond to Mangas directly as I beleive that many people who make the reports here are actually the same person that use different names and use the same keyboard. Maybe he sufrir from various personailty identity.

When the girl above steal Bobs phone she have no respect for him and treat him like a puñeta, a jerk-off. This person is thought of as the class clown and most people avoid this tipo of person but will tolereate him and be polite but will not invite him to their table.

When Bob goes back to the club after the stolen phone and have all the girls personal things exposed by the doormans he is now elevated to a pendejo level by all the girls for he is rude. The doormans still only think of him as a puñeta as he is not rude to them.

But when Bob goes back to the girl that steal from him for more relaciones he is now looked at as a momòand by everybody in the club. For the girl steal and slap his face and he has no othere opciones but to go back with the girl.

If you visit here and are a guest in our country and somebody call you a puñeta, pendejo, or mamóand, please leave the place very quickly as these are very bad words sometimes led to fights. Also, please treat people with respect here and don't talk down to us or use bad words on the street or even a internet foro as you could be made to look like a fool or something worse.

*puñeta- sometimes this word is used among friends in the younger ages but is rare. This is almost like when black people say what's up nig_er! Obviously you don't want to say the same to the same black man.

[QUOTE=El Cazador; 1118462]Mangas Coloradas make a post here last week suggest that the word mamóand is used common by the girls in the bars to descibe us. This is wrong and Unspongebob experience above is a good example. I do not respond to Mangas directly as I beleive that many people who make the reports here are actually the same person that use different names and use the same keyboard. Maybe he sufrir from various personailty identity.

When the girl above steal Bobs phone she have no respect for him and treat him like a puñeta, a jerk-off. This person is thought of as the class clown and most people avoid this tipo of person but will tolereate him and be polite but will not invite him to their table.

When Bob goes back to the club after the stolen phone and have all the girls personal things exposed by the doormans he is now elevated to a pendejo level by all the girls for he is rude. The doormans still only think of him as a puñeta as he is not rude to them.

But when Bob goes back to the girl that steal from him for more relaciones he is now looked at as a momòand by everybody in the club. For the girl steal and slap his face and he has no othere opciones but to go back with the girl.

If you visit here and are a guest in our country and somebody call you a puñeta, pendejo, or mamóand, please leave the place very quickly as these are very bad words sometimes led to fights. Also, please treat people with respect here and don't talk down to us or use bad words on the street or even a internet foro as you could be made to look like a fool or something worse.

*puñeta- sometimes this word is used among friends in the younger ages but is rare. This is almost like when black people say what's up nig_er! Obviously you don't want to say the same to the same black man. [/QUOTE]Mamóand is mamóand

"many people who make the reports here are actually the same person that use different names and use the same keyboard."

Uhmmm, how many times have I claimed that there are many disingenuous people with questionable motivations posting on ISG that are doing the very same thing that El Cazedor accuses some of our newer posters of doing. There have been numerous instances of members commenting with their own hidden agendas, and their made up, uninformed bogus reports. Anytime I happen to point this fact out, I've been directly and harshly criticized for making that very same comment about made up screen names, and dubious posts.

I don't have to hide behind other screen names to make comments about my legitimate experiences in Monterrey, nor do my opinions of dubious posters, and my criticism of them, require me to comment with made up screen names I don't even understand the meaning of.

Truth is, I think El Cazedor's primary motivation is entertainment. I don't really think he's a troll in the typical sense, but he does enjoy the banter. He seems to like to antagonize those of us that actually do legitimately visit the "mongering" venues of Monterrey, and report on them.

The character of El Cazedor's posts resembled those that seek to destroy the Monterrey section, and his posts suggested he may be a part of the group that enjoys the antagonistic value of prodding those of us that actually do post reports of our experiences. This dubious group enjoys antagonizing those of us that have informed opinions based on our legitimate experiences, not just speculation and conjecture based on the Drug Blogs, and teeny websites. The senior members have proven our legitimacy to countless mongers that have visited Monterrey over the last ten years. Some of these visitors to Monterrey know us personally, having met us directly, some on numerous occasions.

As I said, I do not categorize El Cazedor as one of these dubious posters, but I am uncomfortable with his inability to report any of his own experiences in the mongering venues of Monterrey. I have no doubt he lives in Monterrey. But, what good is that experience if you do not monger, and can't report on your experiences according to how living in Monterrey effects mongering, and more specifically, how the level of danger in Monterrey effects mongering?

As I said, El Cazedor seems to be a legitimate poster, and I accept him as such. I do not agree with him, but that's fine. But, when I read the postings from some of these dubious posters that sometimes pop up, I am often motivated to press them to get to the truth. That's why I challenged El Cazedor, initially believing he was from a faction that only strives to damage ISG, and to personally assault the senior members.

It's not unreasonable to ask new posters that contribute comments and posts that are suspect, to elaborate with more specifics in order to establish their credibility. That's all that's been going on here. Those that escalate our challenges to them by posting with personal attacks and rhetoric do not help their credibility with senior members that really do know the score in Monterrey.

I just got back from Monterrey. I spent time in Infinito day shift and night shift. I think the day shift girls were a little bit hotter. I checked out el matehuala and wasn't impressed. Went to marcella masaje place a couple times. They charge a flat fee of 600 pesos which apparently only covers CBJ and cfs, if you want to kiss the girl or want BBBJ that requires extra pesos.

I also spent time in a strip club on Lincoln in the cumbres area called Woman's. This place was ok, had a few hot chicks. I think it's more of a place where you drink and chat with the girls as opposed to infinito where the girls make their money having sex in the privados. I never got a chance to check out a place called Crazy Ranch which is on felix you gomez north of el centro. Does anybody know the place and how good it is?

As for the safety situation I'd say it's ok for a guy just hitting up a few strip clubs and masaje places for a couple days but in general Monterrey is a goddamn warzone. Everyday I saw platoons of soldiers armed to the teeth riding around with their faces covered up. I mean at any given moment the shit could hit the fan pretty much anywhere in the city. The only place that's considered safe is Valle / San Pedro. You hear reports on the news of people getting killed ALMOST ON A DAILY FUCKING BASIS. I'm not kidding one bit. It got so bad a couple of weeks ago when I was there the police were setting up check points at random places and stopping everysingle car and searching the car and the people looking for contraband. The whole city was tense and on edge. You can feel the fear and tension when you talk to people, it's a creepy feeling.

Late at night I'd reccomend paying close attention to what kind of taxi you're getting into. I'd reccomend riding in a car that looks newer and well kept and you'll feel safer with an older guy taxi driver. A couple of times late night when I'd been drinking I found myself riding in some questionable cars with some questionable looking younger drivers. I didn't feel 100% secure those times. But I'm a younger guy and I was hanging out with some pretty wild local people that party pretty hard so most people reading this probably won't be experiencing Monterrey the same as me. Please keep in mind that if you're looking to score "party supplies" in Monterrey you are taking your life into your own hands. Literally. Dealing with the wrong people can get you into some serious trouble and I'm not necessarily talking about with the police.

Another thing that was cool about this trip is I discovered the casinos. I'd heard there were casinos in Monterrey but I didn't really know what to expect. I went to a new one in apodaca and another one called casino revolucion and was very impressed. They look just like the ones here in the states. Very nice and a very nice surprise. I wasn't expecting being able to gamble in Monterrey. If you play the card tables, all the dealers are extremely hot young chicks. Very cool.