Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310806]Is it not useful when having HSV, to at least know what it is? Surely those that have regular painful outbreaks, usually want to know what it is. I have one acquaintance who says, ever time he catches a cold, he will also get "cold sores" around the mouth and lip area. So he knows it is coming. I don't really know much about the predominantly genital HSV-2.

I have been misdiagnosed as having HSV-1 on the mouth when was actually Impetigo bacteria. Interestingly long term test for HSV seem to be unreliable (I got one positive and a subsequent re-test negative so I don't know which one was right), but test for whether one has a current outbreak should be reasonably reliable, and could explain a current sore if it was actually the cause. Was suggested to me a 3rd long term test for HSV would be useless though, and not really prove anything.[/QUOTE]Please correct me if I'm wrong, HSV PCR test is more definitive and conclusive test than IgG & IgM methods, Isn't it? My understanding is that PCR test directly looks for virus. A Venereologist I consulted last year in Bangalore - India, told me not to get tested for HSV (for both the strains I & II) when having cold or flu because it can give false-positive results for both IgG & IgM methods.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310806]Is it not useful when having HSV, to at least know what it is? Surely those that have regular painful outbreaks, usually want to know what it is. I have one acquaintance who says, ever time he catches a cold, he will also get "cold sores" around the mouth and lip area. So he knows it is coming. I don't really know much about the predominantly genital HSV-2.

I have been misdiagnosed as having HSV-1 on the mouth when was actually Impetigo bacteria. Interestingly long term test for HSV seem to be unreliable (I got one positive and a subsequent re-test negative so I don't know which one was right), but test for whether one has a current outbreak should be reasonably reliable, and could explain a current sore if it was actually the cause. Was suggested to me a 3rd long term test for HSV would be useless though, and not really prove anything.[/QUOTE]HSV test is useless when you have no symptom, When your infection is not active, HSV test is negative. That's why it is important to visit a dermatovenereologist when it comes to infectious diseases. Many people are misdiagnosed because antibody tests are not accurate and many medical conditions can trigger a positive result.

I recieved many misdiagnosed patients, a patient misdiagnosed with HIV came to my office, when I checked his skin, it was evident his skin disease was not virulent and caused by his immune system, he is now diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. I refered him to a rheumatologist, another patient misdiagnosed with syphilis, it was evident his genital ulcer was caused by tuberculosis bacteria. Another patient misdiagnosed with tertiary syphilis, it was evident his face skin destruction was caused by leishmaniasis and so on. That's why it is better to see a venereologist.

Many doctors without experience mistake impetigo bacteria for HSV. There are also many different types of eczema. Only an experienced skin specialist can recognize them. I see 20 patients a day and am used to seeing different skin conditions and I studied dermatovenereology.

Antibiotic overuse or unecessary antibiotics make bacterias more resistant.

[QUOTE=MySecretLife;2310817]Please correct me if I'm wrong, HSV PCR test is more definitive and conclusive test than IgG & IgM methods, Isn't it? My understanding is that PCR test directly looks for virus. A Venereologist I consulted last year in Bangalore - India, told me not to get tested for HSV (for both the strains I & II) when having cold or flu because it can give false-positive results for both IgG & IgM methods.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. It was IgG IgM methods that were getting unreliable results. I think IgG was supposed to detect if ever had HSV. However even then I really wanted to know, if I ever had HSV, whether was type 1 or 2, which the tests did not specify.
So I won't be bothering with those any more. I never had identifiable symptoms, but supposedly, not everyone does. If I have in fact avoided both, I must have been quite lucky since majority of Americans I read have had at least one of the two, or both. I am not American but I don't know statistics for my country. We certainly see cold sores often enough (I don't seem to have had any).

Genital Herpes seems to have a big stigma which is possibly quite overblown given the abundance of it. I don't like to do girls with genital warts (HPV strains) but that is mainly because the feel is spoiled by non smooth pussy. Condom might be mandatory. Don't really know the risks.

The worst problem when having an STD, for me is what to tell partners. I told one girl I had a dick discharge. She was the only girl I was fucking (but she had an official BF someone else). Testing did not identify an STD, but my problem was fixed. She was tested but found no problem, so I did not catch the whatever from her, and there was no other sexual contact. She stopped giving me BBFS from then on, thinking I was a risk, yet I had not done anything risky other than with her. Being 100% honest did not work out best.

Another time I got Chlamydia. I told the only girl I had been fucking BBFS, yet she claimed to have nothing. That left only a one off BBBJ as a possible cause. In the end I don't know if she was lying and gave it to me, although she was taking medication for some other problem. She also had another BF I believe (although denied it).
Again no points for honesty. I have since learned how incredibly easy it is to transmit Chlamydia, so from BBBJ is certainly possible. Even getting it off a "toilet seat" is actually conceivable. Ha ha. Outside the human body it does not die absolutely immediately on air contact. Can be caught from finger in pussy, for example. The importance of washing hands is high.

So mysterious things that never seemed to have straightforward explanations.

I read about blood tests for herpes simplex virus (HSV) many years ago. What I read said both IgM and IgG tests need a period of days or weeks to become positive for herpes simplex (HSV-1 or 2). IgM tests will go negative after a period of time, but that doesn't mean you no longer have HSV. What I read said IgG tests for HSV can be negative after some number of weeks after acquiring the infection but will thereafter become positive and remain so for the remainder of your life. I'm not remembering how long you must wait after sexual contact for an IgM or IgG test for HSV to become positive, but according to what I read in medical textbooks, a positive IgG test, although it tests for antibodies rather than the virus itself, is a reliable indication you have a lifelong case of HSV. The test cannot determine whether the infection is oral or genital, but so-far I don't recall any references to oral HSV-2. In some areas, HSV-1 causes more genital herpes than HSV-2, so testing negative for HSV-2 but positive for HSV-1 does not mean you don't have genital HSV.

This article tells you what you need to know about IgM and IgG blood tests for HSV: [URL]https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-does-a-positive-herpes-igg-test-mean-3132937[/URL]. It says it can take months after being infected for a HSV test to detect antibodies to HSV.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;2311224]... but according to what I read in medical textbooks, a positive IgG test, although it tests for antibodies rather than the virus itself, is a reliable indication you have a lifelong case of HSV. The test cannot determine whether the infection is oral or genital, but so-far I don't recall any references to oral HSV-2.[/QUOTE]My first IgG test was positive, but the subsequent one (after a delay) was negative. So I either got a false positive or a false negative. Reliable means what exactly? People can still fuck it up, or just the answer is not definitive. The experts seem to suggest this test is not that worthwhile. My experience is I learned nothing useful from it. Was a waste of time and money.

I actually asked for a HSV-2 specific test the 2nd time, but I did not get that. Was actually standard IgG. So you really have to know yourself, exactly what test you want and understand its reliability. Lay testers probably don't have the knowledge and may think to do near enough is good enough.

Once asked for a Uric Acid test, and the staff thought I had asked for U-rine test. ha ha. New staff, was the excuse. So check the test sheet specifies what you really wanted. Imagine you want an "Oxidised Low Density Lipo-protein" test. Not easy to get that over broad HDL/LDL tests but much more useful.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2311248]My first IgG test was positive, but the subsequent one (after a delay) was negative. So I either got a false positive or a false negative. Reliable means what exactly? People can still fuck it up, or just the answer is not definitive. The experts seem to suggest this test is not that worthwhile. My experience is I learned nothing useful from it. Was a waste of time and money.

I actually asked for a HSV-2 specific test the 2nd time, but I did not get that. Was actually standard IgG. So you really have to know yourself, exactly what test you want and understand its reliability. Lay testers probably don't have the knowledge and may think to do near enough is good enough.

Once asked for a Uric Acid test, and the staff thought I had asked for U-rine test. ha ha. New staff, was the excuse. So check the test sheet specifies what you really wanted. Imagine you want an "Oxidised Low Density Lipo-protein" test. Not easy to get that over broad HDL/LDL tests but much more useful.[/QUOTE]Antibody tests are difficult to understand, almost everybody has herpes, you can develop outbreak anytime in your life or never. HSV1 in your genital protects you from HSV2.

Cholesterol test is useless, it was proved people with higher cholesterol live longer and high cholesterol protects you from cancer, there is no link between Cholesterol and heart disease. Many people get misdiagnosed today, conventional medicine is good as a last resort when you suffer from an advanced disease ( very active bacterial disease that can kill you EX tuberculosis but if it's latent , it is better not take antibiotics ) or for emergency (accident, bullet wound) or for reconstruction or if you were born with an organ that doesn't function ( EX diabete type 1 ) but not for preventive measures (prostate colon screening etc).

I vsited a dentist 12 years ago, he said I have a cavity after the radio, I did not let him treat it. I still don't have a hole or a pain in my tooth.

Apologies if this has already been discussed as I do not follow this thread. Just read on Love Pattaya Thailand that there is a self testing HIV kit you can purchase at local pharmacies. Not sure how accurate it would be but I guess it's better than nothing.

Article also states in 2017 there were about 440,000 people in Thailand with HIV. Live Thailand population site indicates 68,950,856 people live in Thailand today.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2311573]Apologies if this has already been discussed as I do not follow this thread. Just read on Love Pattaya Thailand that there is a self testing HIV kit you can purchase at local pharmacies. Not sure how accurate it would be but I guess it's better than nothing.

Article also states in 2017 there were about 440,000 people in Thailand with HIV. Live Thailand population site indicates 68,950,856 people live in Thailand today.[/QUOTE]The rapid test is not accurate, better to get tested in a laboratory, you must see a specialist before getting tested.

Common false positive results in rapid test: Immune disease (rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Sjgren's syndrome etc), Lyme disease, Tuberculosis, flu, tetanus and hepatitis vaccination, Hepatitis, Malaria, Hemophilia, Leishmaniasis, Syphilis, Leprosy, Lymphoma, Liver disease, Malignant Neoplasm and other medical condions.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2311283]
Cholesterol test is useless, it was proved people with higher cholesterol live longer and high cholesterol protects you from cancer, there is no link between Cholesterol and heart disease. [/QUOTE]I agree Cholesterol test is useless, but many doctors still go with it. No way I would be taking Statins, but many "top" heart specialists are still going with that despite studies showing that Statins does not make guys over 50 live any longer. I guess Statins is really a separate topic from Cholesterol. Cholesterol lowering is possibly a side effect of Statins, but Cholesterol is little to do with heart disease. No one ever proved that Colesterol was involved in heart disease. Even Oxidized LDLS causing heart disease is not well proven, it seems.

Cholesterol is actually a harmless substance, when really they mean LDLs. I am not a doctor so don't fully understand, but neither do the doctors.

The USA National health council or whatever they were called, went with the fudged theories of an administrator non-scientist, I forget his name, now the saturated fat myths have to be debunked. Eskimos eating saturated fat from seal blubber were very low on heart disease. Ha ha.

USA (and other countries) continued to get fatter and fatter on low fat high sugar junk food. Eating fat was probably irrelevant.

This website is useful:

[URL]https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/07/27/saturated-fat-cholesterol.aspx[/URL]

The modern evil is really sugar and simple starch carbohydrates (that convert to sugar very rapidly).

Someone published that diet drinks with zero calories are still fattening. I debunked that one easily with my own testing. Diet soft drink e. G. With Stevia never caused me to put on weight or stopped me losing weight. Sugary drinks do stop me losing weight easily. To me keeping weight in control is dominantly about eating real food, high fibre, low sugars, low starches, and don't eat till full. Just enough. Its really not that hard. In Thailand lots of high fibre veg oriented food with some meat is available. Lots of plain water is available to drink. Ha ha.

I had been eating some bad foods OS (garder to find good stuff), but last few weeks moved to healthy organic with plenty of fruit and veg (Exclude potatoes) and water. Lost 4 unwanted kilos fairly quickly.

Getting back to sex, what better way to improve your sex life and stamina than by shedding those unwanted kilos. Mrs has been horny most nights lately and I did not use any Viagra. She likes to start with a good DATY. Years ago she like a fairly short duration DATY as was very sensitive, but now she goes with it for longer for multiple pops even before I put the dick in. Medicinal weed smoking certainly boosts my Mrs' sexual desires a lot, helps her chill out and feel horny. I don't smoke at all myself. Don't need that. I am already very relaxed.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2312362]I agree Cholesterol test is useless, but many doctors still go with it. No way I would be taking Statins, but many "top" heart specialists are still going with that despite studies showing that Statins does not make guys over 50 live any longer. I guess Statins is really a separate topic from Cholesterol. Cholesterol lowering is possibly a side effect of Statins, but Cholesterol is little to do with heart disease. No one ever proved that Colesterol was involved in heart disease. Even Oxidized LDLS causing heart disease is not well proven, it seems.

Cholesterol is actually a harmless substance, when really they mean LDLs. I am not a doctor so don't fully understand, but neither do the doctors.

The USA National health council or whatever they were called, went with the fudged theories of an administrator non-scientist, I forget his name, now the saturated fat myths have to be debunked. Eskimos eating saturated fat from seal blubber were very low on heart disease. Ha ha.

USA (and other countries) continued to get fatter and fatter on low fat high sugar junk food. Eating fat was probably irrelevant.

This website is useful:

[URL]https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/07/27/saturated-fat-cholesterol.aspx[/URL]

The modern evil is really sugar and simple starch carbohydrates (that convert to sugar very rapidly).

Someone published that diet drinks with zero calories are still fattening. I debunked that one easily with my own testing. Diet soft drink e. G. With Stevia never caused me to put on weight or stopped me losing weight. Sugary drinks do stop me losing weight easily. To me keeping weight in control is dominantly about eating real food, high fibre, low sugars, low starches, and don't eat till full. Just enough. Its really not that hard. In Thailand lots of high fibre veg oriented food with some meat is available. Lots of plain water is available to drink. Ha ha.

I had been eating some bad foods OS (garder to find good stuff), but last few weeks moved to healthy organic with plenty of fruit and veg (Exclude potatoes) and water. Lost 4 unwanted kilos fairly quickly.

Getting back to sex, what better way to improve your sex life and stamina than by shedding those unwanted kilos. Mrs has been horny most nights lately and I did not use any Viagra. She likes to start with a good DATY. Years ago she like a fairly short duration DATY as was very sensitive, but now she goes with it for longer for multiple pops even before I put the dick in. Medicinal weed smoking certainly boosts my Mrs' sexual desires a lot, helps her chill out and feel horny. I don't smoke at all myself. Don't need that. I am already very relaxed.[/QUOTE]What I learned as a doctor is that many doctors are idiots or dangerous, They just follow the medical book, they only study the medications but don't study how strong the body is because it's not beneficial.

Most tests are waste of time for preventive measures, Colon screening, breast screening, prostate screening, mole removal, std tests, dentist radio, heart screening, cholesterol tests, tuberculosis blood tests etc.

I don't find the conventional medicine to be good for preventive measures.

Viagra is good when you have medical problem but nowadays people use viagra without having any issue.

Masturbation can keep your male organ healthy. Keep enjoying your retirement, you will die of something someday.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2311622]The rapid test is not accurate, better to get tested in a laboratory, you must see a specialist before getting tested.[/QUOTE]No test is 100% accurate, but the rapid test is almost as accurate as the Elisa they do in the lab. No need to see a specialist; just keep in mind that a positive result needs to be confirmed by a lab test because it might very likely be a false positive result.

If you're really interested in the test accuracy (sensitivity and specificity etc.) just read the leaflet that comes with the test. And once again, remember, so many healthy people do that test that the small percentage of false positive results among the healthy outweighs the high percentage of true positive results among the diseased. So don't be alarmed by a positive result, just get re-tested in the lab!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2311283] HSV1 in your genital protects you from HSV2.
[/QUOTE]Is inverse true as well?

I was cold sore free until a few days after I gave a woman oral sex in my 40's. She had refused intercourse, so possibly she knew she was having an outbreak that was not visible to me. I don't believe I kissed her either. It was a primary infection as it lasted nearly 3 weeks. Later, I had a blood test to identify which type I had (I had no outbreak at the time of the test), sure that I had type 1. Well, it came back type 2 to my surprise. Strange.

Thanks for your important contributions to this forum, Doc. I had never heard of your particular specialty.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2312811]Is inverse true as well?

I was cold sore free until a few days after I gave a woman oral sex in my 40's. She had refused intercourse, so possibly she knew she was having an outbreak that was not visible to me. I don't believe I kissed her either. It was a primary infection as it lasted nearly 3 weeks. Later, I had a blood test to identify which type I had (I had no outbreak at the time of the test), sure that I had type 1. Well, it came back type 2 to my surprise. Strange.

Thanks for your important contributions to this forum, Doc. I had never heard of your particular specialty.[/QUOTE]The test just says you have HSV 2 but we don't know where in your body, the only way to diagnose hsv blisters is by taking a sample from the sore and using a microscopy. Your cold sore may be HSV1, HSV1 may take up to 6 months to be positive when it started to be active and then overtime it becomes negative again, may or may not cause outbreaks again. HSV2 rarely cause blisters in the mouth like HSV1 rarely cause blisters in the genital areas. It may also be canker sores that may take up to 5 weeks to go away. The pain normally goes away from the 5th day to 12th day maximum. If you have HSV1 in your mouth, for sure, you don't have HSV2 in your mouth. STDs tests are complicated, there are still many mistakes like any medical test. Nothing is better than my dermatoscopy and microscopy to diagnose skin diseases. I always send the samples to confirm my diagnosis because it's compulsory. Almost everybody has HSV in their body but never develop any symptom, you can also get HSV without having sex.

Guys,

If the escorts come with their test results for the previous day can you trust them or is there any other way to do this other than the self test kits if This is discussed previously please guide me to the page guys thank you.

Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.