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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]As a matter of fact she is washing my clothes right now and I am getting ready to make us a late breakfast.[/QUOTE]How do you get that petrified hard as a rock feeling out of that "line dried hung" clothes? lol I always bring many shirts a wear them a few times each because elegant cleaners on la 8ctava wanted something like 18k a shirt for cleaning. F that!
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]We are not Colombians, we are gringos(most of us) We can be "somewhat generous" when applicable just be very clear of the line of "somewhat generous" and getting over, because some gringos have a hard
time distinguishing and that's where the trouble starts.[/QUOTE]It's one thing to be generous, that's all fine, it's another thing entirely when somebody EXPECTS it for you. That's just offensive, and the point I'm trying to make is that Colombia is NO different from North America in this regard. If you wouldn't do it in your hometown, you shouldn't do it here either.
The problems reported by both sides of the argument are all rooted in one issue: There are guys are mixing w****s and girlfriends in their lives and who they are talking about in this post.
My advice has always been: There are w****s and girlfriends and non the twain shall meet.
Forget the grey area in between.
H00ker: Go to the casa where the girl is obviously a puta and pay for sex - or take her out of a TLN - whatever, you know sho is a w***r - treat her like you would treat a w***e, have great sex, do your stuff - don't go down on her (the #1 thing guys who are trying to make w****s their girlfriends is buy the proostitute gifts and go down on her. WTF?? She is there to please you - that is her job) If she askes you for 5K for her son say "OK" and point to your dick.
Someone elasready suggested this in so many words but do you say this to a non pu**ta? If you follow the simple rule You don't have to - when you keep them seperate there is no offending anyone? Simple as.
Girlfriend: Get a non p*ta who actually has a verifiable job. The unemploymemnt rate for women is about 30% - that means about 70% of the women have jobs. This "working girl" is the girl you treat nice and buy pizza, buy gifts for, go down on , go to dinner, hang with the family. She won't ask for money or if she does it will be 1.) something legit or 2.) you will have offered before being asked.
If you follow this rule you will never have a problem. This is so obvious yet half you guys don't get it.
It's you guys who go out with w****s trying to make them girlfriends or semi girlfriends who are always in these types of situations. Why are you out in public with estrato 2 girls asking for money? Is she a street walker you took in? Did she just get done at thre strip club?
Know the diffference or at least make the difference happen.
JMHO
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]I always bring many shirts a wear them a few times each because elegant cleaners on la 8ctava wanted something like 18k a shirt for cleaning. F that![/QUOTE]I love comparing the prices here with those back home. I thought I was going to buy a can of fruit cocktail the other night which costs 2K pesos back home. Here it was 18K. Then on the other hand I was able to buy cloves here for 1. 5K which goes for 20K back home.
I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.
[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.[/QUOTE]My best friends wife is from Quito and she complains to him how the country and city is being overrun by Colombians, they even have their own sections. There ARE many working in the casas there.
[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.[/QUOTE]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. The first problem here is you have no idea what is true or false with what they've said. I'd say they are getting leg up on saving some crickets because duckets are a dime a dozen in these parts, but I'm from a shanty town.
Does it really matter?
This one put a big smile on my face. Can't say that you're not right.
[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.[/QUOTE]To answer your question I did meet some Colombianas working in the casas in Guayaquil. By that same token I have met Ecuadorians working in the spots in Peru.
From my logic if a person from one country can't get a job in their own country then how does a foreigner expect to go and immediately start working? It beats the hell out of me. But it seems to be working for them. I have an ex from Barranquilla who went to Caracas to do hair. My ex from Caracas went to Spain, back to Caracas, and is now in Curacao doing hair. I also have a friend from Medellin who has been working in a factory in Panama for the last few years. Then I have a friend from Lima who went to Barcelona to clean houses. I have no idea how this bullshit works.
[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. The first problem here is you have no idea what is true or false with what they've said. I'd say they are getting leg up on saving some crickets because duckets are a dime a dozen in these parts, but I'm from a shanty town.
Does it really matter?[/QUOTE]I know that you are trying to make a point but I think that is a bit harsh. All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.
I like your posts and I have respect for you as provider of excellent information, but my point of posting a rebuttal is that I do not want newbies getting the wrong impression about Colombians. There is enough unjustified negative publicity about Colombia already....
[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. [/QUOTE]I live in Colombia and you know what's funny? I've noticed that they only lie to people who lack personality.
If you dont think this could be said for any man or woman in any country, your only fooling yourself. I just go and enjoy myself where ever I am, and always had great times with the lady's, especially in Colombia. But I guess thats just because I treat all the girls with respect. Not like they owe me something.
[QUOTE=Paisalover]This one put a big smile on my face. Can't say that you're not right.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vitrea]I know that you are trying to make a point but I think that is a bit harsh. All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.
I like your posts and I have respect for you as provider of excellent information, but my point of posting a rebuttal is that I do not want newbies getting the wrong impression about Colombians. There is enough unjustified negative publicity about Colombia already....[/QUOTE]There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.
But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures.
For instance you have a date with one of your regulars - you usually take her out shoping then to dinner and then back to your place and at the end over pay her 10K cab fare with a 50K bill. But tonight she breaks plans and tells you her kid is sick or something like that but in reality one of her regular Johns is taking her and and few others to Mangos. She will dance all night with friends and have a better time than the mall and a restuarant in Lleras and she will walk with more money.
This is a normal lying situation anyone in her position would do - not a problem. The fact of the matter is she made a good business decision rather than lose a customer due to insult ("a better offer came along tonight"). Many of you guys may not realize this but you are looked at as an outsider a customer, not really part of her inner circle. Money being the same what 21 year old wants to sit accross from a foreigner she can't communicate with?
10 years ago there was no better offer, a lot less moneyed men picking up the bill at her disposal.
But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian. The situation is that in other cultures the truth would have sufficed and is not all that bad. But for some reason the Colombian will opt for an unnecessary lie instead. This also will manifest itself in the shape of an impossible promise, one that the teller knows can never be fulfilled but it is the answer the listener wants to hear and is also a way of saving face and prerserving the pride of the teller - in that very moment - very big in Colombia.
To the guy with the Ecuador question: It is not easy to enter a 3rd world, high unemployment, impovershed country as a foreigner and just grab a regular job. Due to the geographics of the country (proximity to the Caribbean) Colombia's biggest export next to coke and flowers is prostitutes. Think about it - every Caribbean island or high traffic Central American brothal is loaded with Colombian prostitutes. how do you think you guys all decided to come to Colombia? Because you read an article about Pablo's grave? Studing Botero? There is a lot more work in Colombia, better economy, than in Ecuador - but Ecuador is close by as is Venezuela and the Caribbean and Costa Rica.
In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.
Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.
[QUOTE=Vitrea] All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. [/QUOTE]Ha Ha, you're kidding us right? I'm still trying to sense the sarcastic overtone in your post but am failing to do so. Of course you can never paint with the broadest brush in any culture but you never had a puta, "novia" at least tell you she had to leave because she has to "feed her baby" or she didn't pick up her cell phone because she "had no signal or her phone discharged" LOL Don't try and cover the sun with one finger. Its just reality.
[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.
But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures.
For instance you have a date with one of your regulars - you usually take her out shoping then to dinner and then back to your place and at the end over pay her 10K cab fare with a 50K bill. But tonight she breaks plans and tells you her kid is sick or something like that but in reality one of her regular Johns is taking her and and few others to Mangos. She will dance all night with friends and have a better time than the mall and a restuarant in Lleras and she will walk with more money.
This is a normal lying situation anyone in her position would do - not a problem. The fact of the matter is she made a good business decision rather than lose a customer due to insult ("a better offer came along tonight"). Many of you guys may not realize this but you are looked at as an outsider a customer, not really part of her inner circle. Money being the same what 21 year old wants to sit accross from a foreigner she can't communicate with?
10 years ago there was no better offer, a lot less moneyed men picking up the bill at her disposal.
But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian. The situation is that in other cultures the truth would have sufficed and is not all that bad. But for some reason the Colombian will opt for an unnecessary lie instead. This also will manifest itself in the shape of an impossible promise, one that the teller knows can never be fulfilled but it is the answer the listener wants to hear and is also a way of saving face and prerserving the pride of the teller - in that very moment - very big in Colombia.
To the guy with the Ecuador question: It is not easy to enter a 3rd world, high unemployment, impovershed country as a foreigner and just grab a regular job. Due to the geographics of the country (proximity to the Caribbean) Colombia's biggest export next to coke and flowers is prostitutes. Think about it - every Caribbean island or high traffic Central American brothal is loaded with Colombian prostitutes. how do you think you guys all decided to come to Colombia? Because you read an article about Pablo's grave? Studing Botero? There is a lot more work in Colombia, better economy, than in Ecuador - but Ecuador is close by as is Venezuela and the Caribbean and Costa Rica.
In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.
Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.[/QUOTE]A very nice analysis indeed. Agree with everything you said. It does boil down to culture. In many Latin american counties and several African and Asian countries a "lie" that does not harm or hurt the listener or that is not intended to harm or hurt the listener is not considered a lie...what we call in the west as a white lie. Having travelled extensively in these countries I understand that they mean no harm and I ignore them and I do not judge them by my perceived standards.
MHL, no, I was not being sarcastic :-)