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[QUOTE=Canary;2573441]Yes UK Government has made a mess of things but you can't keep referring back to the whole of the pandemic. As sad as it is with all the deaths to get a proper perspective you have to look at the situation NOW and double jabbed UK folk as I stated before rarely get infected and when they do it's a milder form of disease.[/QUOTE]I am not so positive than you, mostly the same people will do again the same mistakes, and the average deaths toll also restarts to increase. So many people believe in the efficiency of the vaccines I don t, today all the medias and politicians are always speaking in the same direction: the solution is the vaccination and get vaccinated ASAP.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2573360]I was always shocked to see how many (relatively young guys) she managed to 'score.'
Are people really that dumb, drunk, or have such poor taste?[/QUOTE]Maybe that's a fetish. They want to bang the woman who is the same age as their grandma.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.
Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.
Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with paying for services rendered. I'm personally not a fan of haggling for 50 euros, thus I opt for a standard 100 Euros / 60 m session to get around that issue. However, my friend who's there right now mentioned that the girls have been more pushy on upselling BBBJ / DFK for an extra 50 euros and there's more guys and less girls so they can get away with it. The situation may change if there are more girls in the next coming weeks, however any guy willing to pay extra is going to regardless.
If a person chooses to tip extra for great service that's different IMO, but it's also their *money*. In an ideal world everyone is educated on local prices and customs, and nobody overpays. However, I wouldn't expect every international patron to know market prices and not fall victim to being upsold when they can barely speak English. It's the same aspect of 'tourists' in any country. I think over time after you've learned from multiple trips or research you get a better sense.
I respect the locals and am grateful for the existence of the FKK scene and everything involved to make this experience a reality. I'm just a bit more pragmatic in believing that it's wishful thinking to expect these girls not to upsell given their circumstances. They're in this business to make money. We are there for pleasure. Two fundamentally different motives. Bring any guy into a Strip Club for the first time and tell me they're going to care about getting ripped off. The same applies to first time mongers in the FKK Scene. We can spread the message and educate folks, and choose not to partake with the girls upselling, but that's about it.
Be respectful, don't overpay, but most importantly enjoy yourself.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.
Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.
Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]My hats off to the German locals and deep respect for all the work to make the FKK scene a reality for us international mongers.
I'm a believer in paying for services rendered as well, and choose to opt for a 100 E /60 M session instead of haggling for a 50 E /30 M session. However, if they were to raise their price upon my next trip and say 150 E /60 M with DFK / BBBJ I'd try to at least bargain downwards based off past experiences. I'd at least want an extra like CIM or A. If unsuccessful I'd be upset momentarily, but would likely be forced to reconcile those differences and pay the higher rate. Traveling on a cross country flight and turning down a session over 50 euros doesn't quite make sense.
Tipping extra is different IMO, and I'm fine with an extra 10-20 E but it varies per person.
If you're a first time monger or international who can't speak English I doubt there's much that can be done to prevent them from overpaying other than their own experiences. Locals are entitled to the price inflation not being absurd due to gullible and inept tourists. Although FKK Sharks is a business, and the girls working there have a natural motive to make as much as they can in as little time as possible. Whereas patrons who enter the establishment are seeking pleasure and will pay what they can afford. It's wishful thinking to expect people not to overpay IMO. I'm not trying to cause inflation for locals, but I am trying to enjoy myself.
Be respectful, try not to overpay, but enjoy yourself. There's more to life than simply worrying over things out of your control.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.
Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.
Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]I agree pay for services rendered. I'm more of a fan of 100 E /60 M, but I'd expect at least DFK / BBBJ to be included. My hats off to the German locals and I'm grateful for everything that has happened to make FKK a reality.
Aside from mongers being more educated about negotiating down girls for standard services at market rates, there isn't much that can be done to address price inflation. You'll still have first time mongers and tourists who have no clue on what market rates are until they get price gouged on a couple of experiences. Americans and people who decide to tip extra for a great experience will still occur. Thinking more pragmatically there's a natural dynamic between the girls and guys and as long as supply and demand is there the market forces will work. 50 euros pre-pandemic might've been the standard, but nobody can guarantee that price and services like DFK / BBBJ will stay the same over the next 5-10 years.
End of the day be respectful, be grateful, and enjoy yourself.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.
Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.
Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Mursenary is absolutely correct.
The newbie foreigners are disrupting the FKK ecosystem.
The FKK price of 50/ Marks now Euro for 30 minutes has been the culture.
Germany inflation rate has allowed Seniors over age 60 to continue to enjoy Life.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.
Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.
Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Precisely. I always avoid upselling at sharks by letting the girl know that I want a long, unhurried session, and then test the waters with drinks and couch time before heading up to the zimmer. Works for me every time. GFE extraordinaire.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2573499]Precisely. I always avoid upselling at sharks by letting the girl know that I want a long, unhurried session, and then test the waters with drinks and couch time before heading up to the zimmer. Works for me every time. GFE extraordinaire.[/QUOTE]That's actually a nice reminder for myself. The best girls where the ones who interviewed ME prior to the room over coffee or a cocktail. Even if only for a 1 hour room, the session always turned out well after doing this.
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[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573254]Are you waiting for UK travelers to be allowed back into Germany?[/QUOTE]No I'm USA and waiting to have an experience similar to pre-covid visits.
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Sylvana
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2573360]I was always shocked to see how many (relatively young guys) she managed to 'score.'
Are people really that dumb, drunk, or have such poor taste?[/QUOTE]As all good sales people know it's a numbers game. She is relentless in her pursuit. I've never taken her of couse but still she continues to ask me every few hours.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2573360]I was always shocked to see how many (relatively young guys) she managed to 'score.'
Are people really that dumb, drunk, or have such poor taste?[/QUOTE]I saw Sylvana getting some of the best looking youngest guys and was amazed to see most going downstairs with banana on face. Maybe from geriatric sex, really feeling full naked inside old pussy, or screaming like a little dog from prostate massage. She is able to hunt from 11 am to 4 am, superwoman.
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How many guys are telling that they have a small dick, they can t be hard and that they are a very bad lover. It is the same for the German mongers, they are saying they just paying 50 and get so much service. I can tell you this is mostly wrong. Many German mongers are overpaying the girls, give them gifts, invite them for holidays, restaurants. Some even have their second wife in the clubs, or are booking them for full days. I will also give you another info, when new girls are coming to FKK the boss of the FKK will contact the best clients to inform them, it is the same for the escort agencies in order to keep the best clients they will tell you when a new girl is there so you can be the first customer before she got overfucked.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.
Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.
Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Asians are said to be giving girls too much money.
But that's because Asians aren't familiar with market prices.
The receptionist also did not explain the system.
As a result, well-known Asian hunters like Vanessa have deceived Asians and robbed them of high prices, and the evidence now shows many reports of their damage.
I want you to know that Asians don't want to break the market, they don't like to pay high prices.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573502]That's actually a nice reminder for myself. The best girls where the ones who interviewed ME prior to the room over coffee or a cocktail. Even if only for a 1 hour room, the session always turned out well after doing this.[/QUOTE]This has always been my strategy ever since I first started going to FKK shops several years ago.
Although not fool proof I've rarely made a misjudgment & on the few occasions I have I made my excuses and cut the booking down to 30 minutes / €50.
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[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2573554]As all good sales people know it's a numbers game. She is relentless in her pursuit. I've never taken her of couse but still she continues to ask me every few hours.[/QUOTE]Same here, unfortunately there is only one method that works with her: be quite rude, only then she will remember.
After refusing her on previous visits, after being asked every 30 minutes at Sharks on another day, I made is crystal clear to her that I would never room with her. When she saw me again in GT about a year later, she went: "oh, you again!" and walked away. She'll remember when she wants to, you just have to 'motivate' her a little bit. LOL!
I don't like being rude to an honest but ugly WG who simply wants to make a living but who does not meet my criteria to room with her, but sadly Sylvana's hyper-aggressive way of baiting suckers was simply too annoying for me.
