FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2573823]I don't know why some ISG users hate Asians or foreigners so much. Doesn't make any sense.

Asians' huge money actually maintain the FKK industries in Germany. Otherwise, locals money won't able to attract enough quantities and quality Romanian girls. Without Asians or America rich tourists, I believe most young girls will not come back or stay. The consequence is to left only old and ugly MILFs for locals. 50 per session.[/QUOTE]You must be one of those who judges an industry by looking at only the tourist traps. There are hundreds of FKKs all over Germany, Austria and Switzerland, and except for few tourist traps like Sharks, Oase, Palace or Artemis, most FKKs see maybe 1 or 2 Asians or tourists in any given day. So your assumptions that FKKs cannot survive without tourists is a total bull crap. In fact the FKK industry started and flourished without Asian or tourist money. Some tourists (not all) by paying too much are just fucking up the wonderful market dynamics created and maintained by the locals. Read up some history and you will know.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2573825]It is about destroying a pricing system that the locals worked hard to establish.

"In any case the current prices and service levels are no achievement by anybody except market competition. ".

Is that so? Why don't you organize to get these clubs set up in your own country and pay them as you please? Does market competition cease to exist in the boundaries of your native country?

You are a guest in their country and acting arrogant and screwing it up for the guys who made it possible in the first place.

If you have so much money, take more hours, more extras. Do 5 girls at a time if you please. You are rich and swimming in money as you say, so why not?

When outsiders destroy a pricing system that the locals worked to get in place, they are quite justified in banning all foreigners into their clubs.

Yes, there has been inflation. Not a huge amount but some. But it is up to the locals to adjust and upgrade prices when they see fit.

As someone pointed out, go the Swiss clubs if you please. But respect the local pricing systems and the guys who set them up.[/QUOTE]Exactly! I absolutely agree with you on this.

Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up.

A maximum of 3 people are allowed in the indoor sauna, so no Dieter and sauna time. Mask control only applies to the house staff, no one pays much attention when the guests strut around without a mask. You can of course take the mask off while sitting.

I was hoping that after a long time something might change in the kitchen, but no still the same as before. Work is ongoing in the outside area.

The usual suspects were also there; it was great to renew old acquaintanceships again.

Then I went with a new girl. From hearing and saying she was noodled by at least a dozen guys today, but I still thought she was pretty cute. Nico was her name, about early 20's, about 1. 60 m on stilts which were so high that she fell down almost after every step. Back-length brown hair, sweet face, some baby fat, horny, beautiful see-size naturals.

Her first club, but her German was too good to be new to this business. Requested a surcharge for kisses and some other things. At least I was allowed to lick her tits. Blowjob was very hard and a bit monotonous. An ok session.

The influx of tripods did not stop. I decided to leave soon enough after the session. The LU is sure to get better soon. See you then!

HB.

[QUOTE=RichCandyMan;2573782]Could any can one comment on Line Up, Quality, Nationality, Percentage of Returning girls v / s New Girls, Ratings 1 to 10, Young v / s Old, and Service Facror (not so important at least for now).

Price is always a personal preference and service and how deep your pocket is. No offense but there is always a balance and there is always something for everyone may be you are not the first one to get day virgin. If you prefer that than you have to pay.[/QUOTE]Someone posted 18 girls name in lustscout. Not sure if I am allowed to copy the list here. It seems Most girls had been in Sharks before pandemic.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2573823]I don't know why some ISG users hate Asians or foreigners so much. Doesn't make any sense.

Asians' huge money actually maintain the FKK industries in Germany. Otherwise, locals money won't able to attract enough quantities and quality Romanian girls. Without Asians or America rich tourists, I believe most young girls will not come back or stay. The consequence is to left only old and ugly MILFs for locals. 50 per session.[/QUOTE]Can't say I agree. The scene was pretty good before 2010 when few Americans and Asian tourists were in the clubs.

On the flip, while Americans and Asians often do overpay or overtip, there just are not enough of them / us to warrant the scapegoating. It's easy to blame Asians tourist because they are very visible and when a bus load arrives, girls do salivate and attack. But they are not there every day and certainly not in large numbers enough to justify "maintain the FKK industry". I don't see Americans getting much blame on the German forums, only on here because there are more American posters.

The change from 10 years ago that I see which is not as often discussed, is the increased number of Turkish-German patrons. I don't think they over pay, but they do demand less from a standard session.

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2573892]Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up.

A maximum of 3 people are allowed in the indoor sauna, so no Dieter and sauna time. Mask control only applies to the house staff, no one pays much attention when the guests strut around without a mask. You can of course take the mask off while sitting.

I was hoping that after a long time something might change in the kitchen, but no still the same as before. Work is ongoing in the outside area..[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for this! Glad to know you had a good time.

How does the food section work? Do you got to pay extra to eat?

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2573892]Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up.

A maximum of 3 people are allowed in the indoor sauna, so no Dieter and sauna time. Mask control only applies to the house staff, no one pays much attention when the guests strut around without a mask. You can of course take the mask off while sitting.

I was hoping that after a long time something might change in the kitchen, but no still the same as before. Work is ongoing in the outside area.

The usual suspects were also there; it was great to renew old acquaintanceships again.

Then I went with a new girl. From hearing and saying she was noodled by at least a dozen guys today, but I still thought she was pretty cute. Nico was her name, about early 20's, about 1. 60 m on stilts which were so high that she fell down almost after every step. Back-length brown hair, sweet face, some baby fat, horny, beautiful see-size naturals.

Her first club, but her German was too good to be new to this business. Requested a surcharge for kisses and some other things. At least I was allowed to lick her tits. Blowjob was very hard and a bit monotonous. An ok session.

The influx of tripods did not stop. I decided to leave soon enough after the session. The LU is sure to get better soon. See you then!

HB.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2573744]We foreigners must be sympathetic to the German mongers who have been quite courteous to us. The locals visit quite often and on a regular basis and can hardly afford to pay too much. On the other hand foreigners generally visit for a short period of time and can readily afford to splurge. It is important for us to keep in mind our local counterparts when we get the urge to squander.[/QUOTE]If international mongers choose to go to Sharks this summer and pay 150 EUR per 60 minutes, then that is their prerogative. If you agree to that higher price, you should be more selective: do one room instead of three. Most international mongers reject at a 97 percent rate. Instead of just flatly telling the WG "No". Ask her what her price is. When she quotes you 150 EUR per 60 minutes, just feign a disappointed look and say "Maybe later", turn your back to her and walk away. The real reason you are rejecting her is because she is not attractive enough, but she does NOT need to know that. As a public service, do this 30 times per night. Approach some WGs you have zero interest in sessioning with, and reject them on the grounds of their pricing being too high.

Perfect excuse to explore some other options. Wellcum is 140 EUR per hour. You can stay on-premises, gorge on the best food in FKK land, and get a BBBJ in your hotel room while on a Zoom call. Why not go there? Go to Switzerland. Explore NRW. A lot of international mongers do two trips per year. If a year from now, 150 per 60 minutes becomes the norm in Darmstadt, then we should accept it. I just think accepting 150 per 60 min as the "market rate" during summer of 2020 is a little premature. Just a few weeks ago, Melissa and Helen, two Sharks superstars, were charging 150 EUR per hour incall. That price is acceptable for incall (even in 2012 this was the market rate for incall). But in a FKK club, where one is forced to pay 50-65 EUR entry and we have a meat market of other options, the rates should be lower.

As an aside, most of the Americans I have met are probably in the 80-95th percentile. $250 K per year is not exactly rich. What they share in common is a dedication to the hobby, as evidenced by their willingness to travel across an ocean. Many are single bachelors with no offspring and no alimony to pay. And if they are age 50 or older, they might have received some inheritance. These mongers spend probably a third (or more) of their disposable income on the hobby. Contrast that to locals who come from every income bracket and generally have lower dedication to the hobby.

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2573892]Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up..[/QUOTE]Just want to compliment you on the great report and information. Sure makes a super change from all the argument about Covid, financial matters and all subjects which have nothing to do women and FKK Sauna clubs.

I was in Sharks same evening. Interestingly while waiting outside for a friend to catch up I observed two cars with Romanian number plates arrive. Each car deposited two working girls with luggage to the club. They looked like they had just arrived. I did not see the girls again in the club but then its sometimes difficult to recognize these ladies when they have their clothes off!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574083]If international mongers choose to go to Sharks this summer and pay 150 EUR per 60 minutes, then that is their prerogative. If you agree to that higher price, you should be more selective: do one room instead of three. (Summarized: As a public service, reject some girls you would never go with to give them a reality check)

Perfect excuse to explore some other options.

I just think accepting 150 per 60 min as the "market rate" is a little premature. Just a few weeks ago, Melissa and Helen, two Sharks superstars, were charging 150 EUR per hour incall. That price is acceptable for incall (even in 2012 this was the market rate for incall). But in a FKK club, where one is forced to pay 50-65 EUR entry and we have a meat market of other options, the rates should be lower.[/QUOTE]Sneaky little schemer. But not a bad idea to send the message that the 50 euro up charge is unacceptable. I'd be okay if just change the half hour rate to 60 e. Seems fair in keeping up with rising salaries in Germany. Upping to basically 75 per half HR is ludicrous. But yeah, if paying those rates, going to Austria or Switzerland is highly encouraged. At the very least, make sure you get an acceptable extra like CIM when paying 150/ HR.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574083]As an aside, most of the Americans I have met are probably in the 80-95th percentile. $250 K per year is not exactly rich. What they share in common is a dedication to the hobby, as evidenced by their willingness to travel across an ocean. Many are single bachelors with no offspring and no alimony to pay. And if they are age 50 or older, they might have received some inheritance. These mongers spend probably a third (or more) of their disposable income on the hobby. Contrast that to locals who come from every income bracket and generally have lower dedication to the hobby.[/QUOTE]Man, you have a tough definition of rich. 250 K USD puts a household in the top 6% of one of the richest nations on earth. By extension / extrapolation / estimation, an individual salary of 250 K USD likely puts you in the top 2-4% of one of the richest nations on earth, easily top 1%or even top 0. 1% in the world right? I suppose wealth should also factor into this definition of rich.

[URL]https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/tables/hinc-06/2020/hinc06.xlsx[/URL]

(7. 800.000 households out of 128.000. 000 total households making over $250 K).

P.S. The question of what is top 1% or 10% varies greatly so I stuck to US Census numbers.

I think the one third of the income on mongering might be a gross overestimate. I mean, I say I'm one of the more frequent fly in guys from overseas averaging somewhere around 50 club days a year (essentially 1 day a week dispersed over an entire year). And my annual expenditure is only around 25 K USD annual. My guess is that the average American in an FKK makes well over 75 K per year. I do travel with frugality opting for cheap flights, cheap hotels, or no hotel at all, but at my frequency, I doubt that the average fly in America visits even half as much to put their spending as close to mine.

Let's say this, on the low end, if an 80 percentiler brings in $150 K and spends $50 K on the hobby, that's either a lot of anal / rim jobs or they're flying first class and staying at a lot of JW Marriots. Perhaps the true addicts spend that much, either the average American monger spends a lot less than one third or make a lot less than $150 K.

[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573756]Thought you might be UK based and in a similar position to myself.

You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce. They just don't have the holiday time to travel for long periods. 2 x 8-12 hour flights plus travel to and from the airport is normally too much for most who might try to consider a long weekend trip.

Most of the North Americans I have met have been based in Europe or occasionally have been visiting on business. It sometimes amazes me how many posting in Germany FKK are from the US and travel from the US.

With so many guys based in North American it certainly baffles me that no one is posting about the number one issue. Perhaps these guys are primarily on the keyboard and simply do not come but once in a blue moon and simply do not know. I guess they will figure it out in time. I am sure you are aware and good that you can travel.[/QUOTE]Got to agree with ya. I'm a US citizen myself although living near Germany and have been FKKing for the best part of 2 decades. Primarily the big clubs. Although I do meet fellow countrymen from time to time, the majority are either service men stationed in Germany or guys based in Germany due to work. Have not come across many who travel across the pond on a regular basis. Just too far and too much hassle. There are many places closer and located on the correct continent.

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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574196]Sneaky little schemer. But not a bad idea to send the message that the 50 euro up charge is unacceptable.[/QUOTE]Point is to make the WGs believe that you were seriously considering a room with her, but the high price dissuaded you at that last moment. Only downside is many WGs may lower their asking price immediately, 30 minutes later, or two days later. And then you get harassed when they are desperate for business. But remember you told them, "maybe later". Just tell them that they missed out, because you already spent that money. Or you changed your mind.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574196]I think the one third of the income on mongering might be a gross overestimate.[/QUOTE]According to graph, I believe $100 K puts you in the 85th percentile: [URL]https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/[/URL].

After-tax income on $100 K is between $66-76 K depending on the state or city: [URL]https://moneywise.com/managing-money/taxes/take-home-pay-from-a-100000-salary[/URL].

Spending $22-25 K on the hobby is probably an over-estimate but I think mongers especially those over the age of 50 are able and willing to do that. Like I said, if they have inherited money or property from their parents and are childless, they can probably afford to spend a higher percentage. Throw in a health scare, and then it becomes a game of how much money can they spend in the next 10-20 years because they can't take that money to the grave with them.

Regretfully I cannot get to Sharks at the moment and I was wondering if the lucky ones who have already been can answer a few questions please?

1: Are the girls expecting their friends & colleagues to return to Sharks?

2: What improvements have there been at the club, there were stories of the old kino rooms being updated and the caves upstairs?

3: Have the showers improved?

4: Is it still very smoky?

Thanks.

I hope to return to the club as soon as I can.

I went to Sharks again last Saturday at 2 pm. When I walked in there was no woman to be seen in the bar area! Immediately went outside to enjoy the good weather at the pool, because I saw the first lady, namely the little Bonita from the Philippines.

Later at 4 pm, of course other women arrived. I counted around 20 women in the bar area. A pretty Romanian girl with silicone tits and lipstick lips caught my eye when I went back inside.

Later that evening I went to the room with her, her name is Aliya and she used to work in Wellcum. She had brown hair and as far as age is concerned I would estimate almost 30 (definitely over 25), thin girl, tattoo on her arm (can't remember what, sorry). A quick chat at the bar, and after 5 minutes we go into the room which was my mistake.

I should have asked what she does and under what conditions. In fact, when we were on the mattress and slowly stroking each other, she told me that she asked for 50 euro extra for DFK. Since I didn't want to pay 50 euro extra, I decided on the closed lips variant. So no DFK, but I have to say that she did very well with Little Jimmy and despite the rubber my cock got hard immediately! She blows deep and slow, and the sex was okay in and of itself. I was ready to leave the room after about 20 minutes!

From 9 pm, maybe 40 women in total in the club, which is still not a lot, we hope that 50 more will arrive very soon!

I will definitely go to Sharks soon gain, let's see how it develops.