Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=RareMonger;2314225]Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.[/QUOTE]Wear two condoms if you are so scared, is my advice. HIV is not easy to catch if you are well protected. Other STDs can be easy to catch, but not with care and condoms so much. If you want BBFS, then Escorts are probably not your best bet. Try to consider which type of venues are likely to provide the girl that is willing to waste time for your requirements, and needs the money.

Anything is possible if you pay enough money to make it worthwhile for the girl, no matter your requests seem quite unusual. So I think it is possible to take a girl to the Red Cross for testing, if she is willing, and you pay her the right compensation. Escorts, maybe too difficult, especially if she does not know you already. A girl maybe able to show you her recent test results, I never tried to see that to date.

The difficulty is finding someone to reply that has done exactly as you suggest, since it is rather unusual.

[QUOTE=RareMonger;2314225]Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.[/QUOTE]Most straight men contracted hiv from drug use or transfusion. Some so called straight men contracted hiv but they are not really straight because they consider themselves as straight men but they had sex with transexuals or men.

Be careful of gonorrhea and chlamydia, they are very common in straight population, so use a condom. Don't worry about hiv as long as you stay away from gay sex and iv drug. STD clinics are bullshit, they just want everybody to get tested even people that are not at risk just not to discrimate MSM and drug users and also because they need to keep their job. Most people working in std clinics are not specialists and many of them are volunteers. Many studies proved that vaginal sex is not a risk for hiv. There is no epidemic in straight population. I am not interested in working in std clinics because I make less money because it's non profit organization. Thre's money but not for people working in clinics only for laboratories and pharmaceutical companies. I did not study many years to work as a volunteer or for a low salary for companies that take advantage of me and pretend to be non profit. Most specialists are independents and make their own money.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2314820] Many studies proved that vaginal sex is not a risk for hiv. There is no epidemic in straight population. [/QUOTE]I agree with most of that, e. G. Chlamydia and Gonorrhea clearly easily caught, however I think studies have shown women can catch HIV from vaginal sex, maybe not so much men will catch it this way.

There are many cases in the villages where child became an orphan because both parents died of AIDs. This is known. I didn't think the parents were drug addicts in all cases. Generally accepted that some innocent Thai wives caught AIDs from their husband who was up to, who knows what? Do you dispute these possibilities?

Most medical web sites claim that it is not that hard for a women to pick up aids from a male dick, but the reverse is quoted as far more difficult.

Can every woman with AIDs be put down to anal or intravenous drugs, or blood transfusions? I doubt it. I agree for men, we would be looking at very small percentages not involved in anal sex, drugs, or tranfusions.

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Can every woman with AIDs be put down to anal or intravenous drugs, or blood transfusions? I doubt it. I agree for men, we would be looking at very small percentages not involved in anal sex, drugs, or tranfusions.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, science is not easy to understand. There is no epidemic in straight population , I agree with you, it's easier for women to get hiv from men , gay population is the most affected.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2315014]Unfortunately, science is not easy to understand. There is no epidemic in straight population , I agree with you, it's easier for women to get hiv from men , gay population is the most affected.[/QUOTE]It becomes more important for a girl to see the guy's HIV test results, than for the guy to see her HIV test results, regularly. The girl is the one taking the much greater risk. The guy should also test for Chlamydia ideally, before going back to wife / GF in case of no symptoms. Always a significant risk if his girls are willing to do BBFS with nearly anyone. Incredibly easy to catch if the girl has it.

Some girls are inconsistent. May do BB on occasion when desperate for the money, and then on a subsequent occasion not make it available (having thought about the risks some more), or upping the price. Ha ha.

Lay person's views based on reading up, and personal experience. I will probably never know for sure if I ever had Herpes or not after inconsistent test results, but had Chlamydia 2 times in my life (long ago) so am aware of ease to catch it from wayward girls. On both occasions I was not fucking many girls BBFS (only one), was taking BBBJ, but I still got it. One case transferred by finger, and other case unsure if from BBFS (the girl denied having anything but could have been lying) or BBBJ.

Would be interesting to know if a lot of guys needing to do anal are doing that without condoms, since that definitely seems very risky. I would not do that myself. Tends to indicate stupid girls will to die soon too. I am aware of one hooker supposed to be HIV positive with mainly Thai and other Asian clients for many years. She must be close to 50 YO now and has not died (that I know of). She was very pretty back in 1991, when I met her and her female friend. I never tried her but would have liked to (was doing her friend instead). No clue which activities led to the HIV however I imagine BBFS was very common. No clue if she got into drugs, but quite possible, had a long term Thai pimp I think.

Syzygies, Thai citizens get free or very cheap HIV / AIDS medical care and pill therapy.

With the new drugs, their viral levels can become almost undetectable. (and if their viral load is low enough, becomes very difficult to catch it from them).

I know a Thai woman who I discovered was HIV positive and she is now in that program and on drug therapy. HIV / AIDS is no longer a death sentence. Magic Johnson has lived without issues for how many years now? And when he dies, it won't be because of AIDS / HIV.

The general risks of transmission are now fairly well known.

Roughly speaking. The female (receiver) risk is double the male's (givers).

Vaginal sex around 1 in 4000 chance (this is if doing bareback and partner is infected) for a guy. 1 in 2000 for woman.

Anal sex 1 in 2000 maybe 1 in 1500 for man. 1 in 1000 can be as low as in 1 in 500 for a woman.

There are other factors.

A) if the guy is circumsized. He has additional protection (hasn't been specifically "quantified" I don't think, but everyone agrees it "reduces" transmission rates for men.

B) how "rough" the sex is. The rougher the sex, the higher likelihood of tiny tears and abrasion where the virus can pass via blood. (the unlubricated rectal lining and easiness of tiny rectal tears is the scientific and logical explanation for the difference in transmission rate between vaginal and anal

This is interesting. Transmission probabilities are higher in Africa (and Thailand) BTW.

But age matters. Being geezers helps most guys here. Less likely to catch / transmit (though unsure if this holds up with vast age difference between partners).

And viral load matters a LOT. Which is perfectly logical.

[URL]http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/gray2/[/URL]

ok, i stand corrected. They HAVE quantified circumcision effects. and they are HUGE (see e.g. on anal sex for top/bottom for e.g.) (1 in 900 to 1 in hundred something!!!)

and in North America, the vaginal act appears to be more like 1 in 2500 for guy, 1 in 1250 for woman

https://www.poz.com/article/HIV-risk-25382-5829


btw, if I were living in Thailand or spending a lot of time there and barebacking around with prostitutes I would be on PrEP. (18 dollars a month in Thailand... 2000 a month in US)

Thanks for the reply guys but that is not the H I am worried about, the last time I came to Pattaya was 10 yrs ago and I took a girl from a gogo everything went so well in the room she gave me a BBBJ and I DATY the girl luckily she was not a dancer but the youngest waitress there probably 19 yr old and I was so afraid and took a test right after I returned from the trip and Ian sure that I will not BBFS even if it was a known girlfriend but BBBJ is mandatory and DATY if it goes really well but it is about the cold sores and dick warts like the guy few pages ago Ian worried about can a test the previous day rule out these conditions.

I think I can take antibiotics and cry a little while peeing inside a toilet if it is chlamydia or any other uti.

[QUOTE=Catire;2315475]This is interesting. Transmission probabilities are higher in Africa (and Thailand) BTW.

But age matters. Being geezers helps most guys here. Less likely to catch / transmit (though unsure if this holds up with vast age difference between partners).

And viral load matters a LOT. Which is perfectly logical.

[URL]http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/gray2/[/URL]

ok, i stand corrected. They HAVE quantified circumcision effects. and they are HUGE (see e.g. on anal sex for top/bottom for e.g.) (1 in 900 to 1 in hundred something!!!)

and in North America, the vaginal act appears to be more like 1 in 2500 for guy, 1 in 1250 for woman

https://www.poz.com/article/HIV-risk-25382-5829


btw, if I were living in Thailand or spending a lot of time there and barebacking around with prostitutes I would be on PrEP. (18 dollars a month in Thailand... 2000 a month in US)[/QUOTE]Be careful with Prep, it increases the risk of syphilis. Syphilis is increasing due to hiv medication, Prep, Chemsex, steroid and illigal drug.

Syphilis: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-5emVVRXs[/URL].

[URL]https://www.poz.com/article/hiv-medications-possibly-including-prep-may-raise-susceptibility-syphilis[/URL]

Straight couples in san francisco. [URL]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13950732_Heterosexual_Transmission_of_Human_Immunodeficiency_Virus_HIV_in_Northern_California_Results_from_a_Ten-year_Study[/URL].

Fucking medical companies always want to sell their shit for anything, they treat a problem to create another problem. Cancer is the biggest business followed by stds.

You don't get hiv easily, there are many factors. If not everybody would be hiv posive. I don't beleive in luck, I beleive in factors. Scare tactic is a good way to make business.

Most scientific datas are useless. Scientists and doctors never agree each other.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315373]It becomes more important for a girl to see the guy's HIV test results, than for the guy to see her HIV test results, regularly. The girl is the one taking the much greater risk. The guy should also test for Chlamydia ideally, before going back to wife / GF in case of no symptoms. Always a significant risk if his girls are willing to do BBFS with nearly anyone. Incredibly easy to catch if the girl has it.

Some girls are inconsistent. May do BB on occasion when desperate for the money, and then on a subsequent occasion not make it available (having thought about the risks some more), or upping the price. Ha ha.

Lay person's views based on reading up, and personal experience. I will probably never know for sure if I ever had Herpes or not after inconsistent test results, but had Chlamydia 2 times in my life (long ago) so am aware of ease to catch it from wayward girls. On both occasions I was not fucking many girls BBFS (only one), was taking BBBJ, but I still got it. One case transferred by finger, and other case unsure if from BBFS (the girl denied having anything but could have been lying) or BBBJ.

Would be interesting to know if a lot of guys needing to do anal are doing that without condoms, since that definitely seems very risky. I would not do that myself. Tends to indicate stupid girls will to die soon too. I am aware of one hooker supposed to be HIV positive with mainly Thai and other Asian clients for many years. She must be close to 50 YO now and has not died (that I know of). She was very pretty back in 1991, when I met her and her female friend. I never tried her but would have liked to (was doing her friend instead). No clue which activities led to the HIV however I imagine BBFS was very common. No clue if she got into drugs, but quite possible, had a long term Thai pimp I think.[/QUOTE]Herpes is useless, you have herpes for sure like me. Everybody has herpes in their body. You can get herpes even without having sex. For example, when you were a child you liked to put your finger in your mouth or other thinks or maybe you get herpes from your mother when she kissed you when you was a baby. Don't worry about herpes.

When did you get chlamydia? Did you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] and wash your dicks in the past after sex? Did you use soap? Herpes tests is not accurate when it says it's active maybe it was due to your impetigo bacteria. False positive also happen in herpes tests. Now I am sure you don't get anything anymore, when we were young, we made more mistakes.

I always use condoms for sex, I don't want to have unwanted babies. When you make a baby in Brazil, you are fucked because you have to pay for the rest of your life. I prefer using condoms because I can I last longer and the sensation is not very strong because when I bareback, I come very fast and hate it, the sensation is very strong and also to avoid bacterial diseases

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2315513]Herpes is useless, you have herpes for sure like me. Everybody has herpes in their body. You can get herpes even without having sex. For example, when you were a child you liked to put your finger in your mouth or other thinks or maybe you get herpes from your mother when she kissed you when you was a baby. Don't worry about herpes.

When did you get chlamydia?

Herpes tests is not accurate when it says it's active maybe it was due to your impetigo bacteria. False positive also happen in herpes tests. Now I am sure you don't get anything anymore, when we were young, we made more mistakes.
[/QUOTE]My Chlamydia was many years ago, due to no not washing hands or dick properly, etc. When one is not sure of the specific incident, with more than one possibility, then is hard to be sure of the fine details about washing behaviour etc. Was at least 15 years ago. However Chlamydia in one eye clearly came from finger in pussy. That is the sure one. Misdiagnosed for 2 or 3 weeks by eye specialist before I had to guess myself and demand a test plus Chlamydia treatment (easy to fix quickly if treated). Clearly washing of hands before rub the eyes is real important.

I don't know for a fact if ever had Herpes or not. I don't agree that everyone has it. High percentage in USA but I am not from there. Never tested positive to active Herpes. Long term tests had contradictory results. So maybe,maybe not. Maybe a false positive (or a false negative). My mother, father, siblings and myself never had a cold sore to my knowledge, nor any other definite indicator. Sister in law, yes have seen her cold sore. Seems to be very hard to sure one way or the other, so not too concerned about it. If no symptoms, no pain, then no worries.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315814]My Chlamydia was many years ago, due to no not washing hands or dick properly, etc. When one is not sure of the specific incident, with more than one possibility, then is hard to be sure of the fine details about washing behaviour etc. Was at least 15 years ago. However Chlamydia in one eye clearly came from finger in pussy. That is the sure one. Misdiagnosed for 2 or 3 weeks by eye specialist before I had to guess myself and demand a test plus Chlamydia treatment (easy to fix quickly if treated). Clearly washing of hands before rub the eyes is real important.

I don't know for a fact if ever had Herpes or not. I don't agree that everyone has it. High percentage in USA but I am not from there. Never tested positive to active Herpes. Long term tests had contradictory results. So maybe,maybe not. Maybe a false positive (or a false negative). My mother, father, siblings and myself never had a cold sore to my knowledge, nor any other definite indicator. Sister in law, yes have seen her cold sore. Seems to be very hard to sure one way or the other, so not too concerned about it. If no symptoms, no pain, then no worries.[/QUOTE]I have never had any symptom either, what I mean, everybody has herpes without having symptom all their life. I don't know people are scared of herpes because we almost all have it. The stigma kill people.

STDs per. Act risk.

[URL]https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/std-statistics/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2318475]STDs per. Act risk.

[URL]https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/std-statistics/[/URL][/QUOTE]These numbers seem to have some strange anomalies, or perhaps someone can explain:

Quote on Chlamydia:

"Estimated per-encounter male-to-female transmission risk for unprotected intercourse was determined to be 0. 9%; with a condom it's 0. 053%. " That is a figure when not known if the girl has it or not.

So well over ten times less likely with a condom, or risk reduction by over 90%. Makes sense although I know transmission on finger is possible.

Elsewhere is says incidence is reduced by 60% by use of condom (for Chlamydia):

"Condom Effectiveness: high (reduces risk by 60%.

That is both contradictory and seemingly a rather low improvement. Accidental condom breakages are quite low. Slip off also rare. Yes he could catch from her BBBJ. Can this be part of the discrepancy.

Chlamydia having symptoms in only 2 to 4% of men? Can this be true? Seems very low and I certainly had symptoms 2 times.

I believe one time, I may well have got it from BBBJ, not so young woman (well over 25) from Grace Coffee shop, a very long time ago, e. G. 20 years ago.

With general 3 to 5% prevalence in population and 32% chance of transmission per act (with no condom), one would expect Guys to be catching it from young girls quite regularly, yet many guys doing habitual Bareback claim to have never had it. Can we put this down to having it, but no symptoms and not even knowing they have it?

It is a pity the HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex is not quoted separately for male and for the female, as I believe the rates are vastly different from what I read previously, e.g. perhaps the girl is at 10 times the risk with a HIV partner, and the guy is actually fairly low risk from HIV girl.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2318751]These numbers seem to have some strange anomalies, or perhaps someone can explain:

Quote on Chlamydia:

"Estimated per-encounter male-to-female transmission risk for unprotected intercourse was determined to be 0. 9%; with a condom it's 0. 053%. " That is a figure when not known if the girl has it or not.

So well over ten times less likely with a condom, or risk reduction by over 90%. Makes sense although I know transmission on finger is possible.

Elsewhere is says incidence is reduced by 60% by use of condom (for Chlamydia):

"Condom Effectiveness: high (reduces risk by 60%.

That is both contradictory and seemingly a rather low improvement. Accidental condom breakages are quite low. Slip off also rare. Yes he could catch from her BBBJ. Can this be part of the discrepancy.

Chlamydia having symptoms in only 2 to 4% of men? Can this be true? Seems very low and I certainly had symptoms 2 times.

I believe one time, I may well have got it from BBBJ, not so young woman (well over 25) from Grace Coffee shop, a very long time ago, e. G. 20 years ago.

With general 3 to 5% prevalence in population and 32% chance of transmission per act (with no condom), one would expect Guys to be catching it from young girls quite regularly, yet many guys doing habitual Bareback claim to have never had it. Can we put this down to having it, but no symptoms and not even knowing they have it?

It is a pity the HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex is not quoted separately for male and for the female, as I believe the rates are vastly different from what I read previously, e.g. perhaps the girl is at 10 times the risk with a HIV partner, and the guy is actually fairly low risk from HIV girl.[/QUOTE]It's just a number, To me, chlamydia, hiv and syphilis can't be transmitted orally. Many dermatologists agree with me. As I said, HIV is not quoted separately because people don't want to descriminate MSM, Even syphilis is not quoted separately. Drug free straight men don't need to get tested for hiv. Act means many things, It depends. To me, per act means per intercourse. I don't agree with syphilis and hiv statistics. Anyway STDs are not dangerous unlike modern diseases (heart disease, stroke, alzheimer, cancer diabete). Herpes is often asymptomatic, immune system clear HPV within 6 months or 1 year, Chlamydia is often asymptomatic in men and can go away on its own, Immune system clear acute Hepatitis on its own before it's serious, You must be a heavy drinker or heavily medicated to develop chronic hepatitis, Syphilis is less virulent today, most untreated people don't develop tertiary syphilis, (geral paresis, gummas, syphilis cardiovascular disease and syphilis ocular are almost inexistent) if you have syphilis and diabete, you are more likely to die of diabete complications. HIV is not a concern for straight men and Gonorrhea is painful but won't kill you, gonorhea can also clear on its own. I know I don't act like most std doctors, that's why I am special, I don't like to use fear tactic because I don't care about pharmaceutical business, I just care about my business, I only want returning clients. Human immune evolved and became resitant to stds. Gonorrhea could kill you in the past, today even if you don't treat gonorrhea, it won't kill you. The most dangerous virulent diseases today are tuberculosis, influenza / pneumonia and pneumococcal pneumonia.