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Very fine indeed. I salute you Ploughman.
[QUOTE=Ploughman]In the spirit of giving back, here are 2 girls found at LA Cafe in February. The one in the last photo is a waitress there. The first one shows up in packs with other girls sometimes, usually late.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ben2]You can take the woman from the cesspool but you can't take the cesspool from the woman!
Some of you can disagree..but I am a FIRM believer...once a hooker, always a hooker. You can marry her and give her a life of luxury, home, kids, etc....but you can bet your life that she has or will be sucking/fucking someone else behind your back!
No matter how sexy, beautiful, how fuckable she is, no matter if she sucks you like no one has before....someone, somewhere, someplace is tired of her shit.
I have friends who married filippinas, koreans, thais, etc. who were fucking for money and these fools swear up and down that "their woman" does not do that any longer! If they only knew....[/QUOTE]
The sizable chunks (by local standards) of easy money become addictive, especially in a consumer society filled with tons of must-have stuff (with cellphones and calltime there at the top of the list...just "eliminate the middleman" by going to the nearest Globe office and throwing a wad of P500s across the window). There also might be a sense of competitiveness with the other girls, or at least a feeling of losing face if a guy you went with who was OK takes another girl instead of you and it's in front of friends or others you know. That's bad form at a bar, but with L.A. Cafe it's sometimes hard to avoid because of the size of the place and lack of direct alternatives.
After awhile the girls from farms and provinces also realize that going back home would be a crashing bore, so even if they're past their career prime they'll try to find a way to stay in the city. That's long been observed with Isaan girls in Bangkok or Pattaya, and I'm sure a Philippine version applies as well.
Other girls also can be a bad influence.
[QUOTE=Girlfinder]Checking out the perimeter bars in Angeles early will certainly pay itself. This gurl BF 1200 peso, LT. 4 times, means 300 peso per pop, and I still can feel young :)
Body 8/10, gf-experience 9/10 including barhop, dance, dinner, sleep, 4 pops in 12 hours. And this soon 19yo stunner seemed to want more. Sorry fellows if you dont like spenders, I gave here a huge tip cause she gave me a huge.
I promised her not to show this naked picture on internet, and you can always count on me :) Please fellows, can I count on you? Dont tell her about this picture if you find her. Dr.Holms is a good bar.[/QUOTE]
She must have been around 14, the last time I was in AC. Don't worry, I think chances to meet her is like 1 in 10,000 and most guys here respect another poster's request.
[QUOTE=Amavida]The first one is a waitress at Handle Bar (or was). Her name is Chiena regardless of what she may have told you. Last I saw her 4 months ago she had a steady income courtesy of a business I had set up for her. She was studying HRM at JRU & living in a decent apartment with her sister over in the dormitory suburbs of Makati city.
So sad to see her now prostituting herself in LA Cafe. Not one pinay I have tried to help as ever managed to avoid being dragged back into the cesspit.
AV[/QUOTE]
Filipinos in general have a marvelous knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It's amazing, this tendency to shoot themselves in the foot and to act against their own longer-term interests, yet I've observed it time and again. I can't explain it, and I doubt that anyone else can either, but it's one of the many reasons that this country will remained mired in poverty and third world status forever.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Filipinos in general have a marvelous knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It's amazing, this tendency to shoot themselves in the foot and to act against their own longer-term interests, yet I've observed it time and again. I can't explain it, and I doubt that anyone else can either, but it's one of the many reasons that this country will remained mired in poverty and third world status forever.
GE[/QUOTE]GE it's the family's. They suck the girl dry of money, then she starts borrowing money to feed _even_more_ demands for money. Downward spiral... never fails.
Every time I meet a guy hell bent on marrying an asian girl I tell them go get your self introduced to a beautiful daughter of a wealthy Taiwanese or Singaporean family. I firmly believe guy's are crazy to marry Filipino's - the family's will drag you down to their level - penniless.
AV
[QUOTE=Ben2]You can take the woman from the cesspool but you can't take the cesspool from the woman!
Some of you can disagree..but I am a FIRM believer...once a hooker, always a hooker. [/QUOTE]In this case she was young & inexperienced when I first met her & definetly not a hooker. So this is a step down the slippery slope for her.
[QUOTE=Ben2]You can marry her and give her a life of luxury, home, kids, etc....but you can bet your life that she has or will be sucking/fucking someone else behind your back![/QUOTE]In the case of couples I have known where the Thai/Pinay was ex P4P, yes invariably this has been the case in my experience.
[QUOTE=Ben2]No matter how sexy, beautiful, how fuckable she is, no matter if she sucks you like no one has before....someone, somewhere, someplace is tired of her shit.[/QUOTE]That would be me :D
[QUOTE=Ben2]I have friends who married filippinas, koreans, thais, etc. who were fucking for money and these fools swear up and down that "their woman" does not do that any longer! If they only knew....[/QUOTE]Yep, seen it over & over.
AV
This characteristic that you have seen in pinays who act in the short term, and ignore the long term is a classic characteristic of teh hunter-gatherer culture. I have recognised it widely in the Philippines, despite the Spanish and American influences.
It is effectively impossible for a hunter-gatherer to amass wealth. They will always live in, or on the edge of, poverty.
Gangles.
[QUOTE=Gangles]This characteristic that you have seen in pinays who act in the short term, and ignore the long term is a classic characteristic of teh hunter-gatherer culture. I have recognised it widely in the Philippines, despite the Spanish and American influences.
It is effectively impossible for a hunter-gatherer to amass wealth. They will always live in, or on the edge of, poverty.
Gangles.[/QUOTE]Gents, I have to thumbs everything you are saying. Have been around SE Asia on/off for years. Something peculiar about filipines, no long-term sense. A friend of mine researches scamming and posts on another board. On that board they have a similar conclusion:
1. You can throw money repeatedly at a filipina, and shortly after it starts, her family will suck it out of her and pressure her to get more. Its rare that this does not happen there (once the money starts). This even includes after you marry her and move her to your country. It seems ingrained. Also it never ends. Even the family of well-off filipinas will eventually pressure her (after marriage) to get an allowance from the man.
2. You can give her family enough money each month to double their income. A year later, they have nothing more to show for it. No savings account. No larger home. No extra vehicle. Just more cell phones and an X-box (the money evaporates in the black-hole). If you again double their monthly income, a year later (again!) nothing will have changed. Not a single child will be given college tuition money.
3. Filipinas have turned to internet begging and scamming in a huge way (where other s.e. asia girls are not).
4. Once a puta (in any form -- bar girl, cam model, internet begging), once they get comfortable with it, they never stop. Bar girls especially have a problem -- a few months of dancing, up all night, loud music, and the province (or your home in Denmark) is sheer boredom. Many don't last there in the province, and go back to the bar. This means she's F-ing around behind your married back if you save her. As proof (to me) of this, I have a buddy who routinely pounds a filipina in Manila when he's in town. So what? She's married to a foreigner, thats what. But, former bargirl that the foreigner 'saved', had hundreds of men in the several years she was working LA Cafe. There is no way her husband can think he's as fun in the sack as what she experienced. She boffs my buddy for sheer joy (nothin more), and her hubby is the one who makes those claims about 'she'd never do that', blah blah.
Trying to help girls out of poverty in philipines. Learn the hard way.
[QUOTE=Amavida]GE it's the family's. They suck the girl dry of money, then she starts borrowing money to feed _even_more_ demands for money. Downward spiral... never fails.AV[/QUOTE]
Amavida, I used to think the same way, but I'm not sure this blanket explanation fits any more. I work with hundreds of Filipinos, and needless to say, they don't work in the bars, but I've observed the same thing in many cases. And these aren't folks who necessarily support their entire sprawling families either. Maybe it's the fact that salaries are so low, that it's not possible to amass any reserves, and all the resources available must be used just to survive each day.
I find that the inability and/or unwillingness to plan beyond the next minute extends to all facets of life, and not just money management. It's true in business practices as well. With all due respect to Gangles' "hunter-gatherer" explanation, I'm not sure that covers it either. This country has had centuries to evolve beyond the hunter-gatherer model, yet the behavior persists. In neighboring countries however--such as Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia--the behaviors are not the same or at least not as prevalent.
My own guess is that there's no easy explanation or maybe there's no explanation at all. Filipinos seem to live entirely in the present moment, which in some ways and from some perspectives is, I guess, a good thing in that they don't lose sleep fretting about the exigencies that might arise tomorrow.
GE
This is a very interesting discussion guys but why are we having it in the Photo Gallery??
I click on this link to see pics. Can we move it to the "General" Thread?
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Amavida, I used to think the same way, but I'm not sure this blanket explanation fits any more. I work with hundreds of Filipinos, and needless to say, they don't work in the bars, but I've observed the same thing in many cases. And these aren't folks who necessarily support their entire sprawling families either. Maybe it's the fact that salaries are so low, that it's not possible to amass any reserves, and all the resources available must be used just to survive each day.
I find that the inability and/or unwillingness to plan beyond the next minute extends to all facets of life, and not just money management. It's true in business practices as well. With all due respect to Gangles' "hunter-gatherer" explanation, I'm not sure that covers it either. This country has had centuries to evolve beyond the hunter-gatherer model, yet the behavior persists. In neighboring countries however--such as Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia--the behaviors are not the same or at least not as prevalent.
My own guess is that there's no easy explanation or maybe there's no explanation at all. Filipinos seem to live entirely in the present moment, which in some ways and from some perspectives is, I guess, a good thing in that they don't lose sleep fretting about the exigencies that might arise tomorrow.
GE[/QUOTE]All good points GE. lets take it to another forum now, they strokers are feeling deprived of new material ;)
AV
I've seen a couple of cases where the girl dropped out of a relationship with a foreigner and married a Filipino guy, even against the wishes of the family. In Thailand the girl could have a Thai boyfriend back home or even be married but still be working the bars in Pattaya, as it's just assumed that any contact with a farang is money-motivated. That bit of culture is hard for westerners to relate to, but Thais are generally better at not falling in love.
Since this is the photo gallery, from 2004 here's a moldy oldie with Mirafel from Angeles. Great performer the first time, but she later met a Wall Street guy who just totally spoiled her rotten (even taking her to other countries) but was really only in it for companionship. She was left working the bars and having to go back to the "cheap Charlies" with a ruined attitude.
[QUOTE=Member #1210]I was in Bacolod. Signed in my DIA account to check for local talent
Started talking to this 5'-2" cutie. 3 minutes later-I had a txt from her-asking me if she can come to hotel to visit me.
I gladly accepted her request. 10 minutes later knock on the door. And 15 minutes later she was sitting on the bed naked.
I am in Love- In love with Philippines.[/QUOTE]Not to sound stupid or anything. But i am going on my fourth trip to the phils next month. What is a DIA account if you don't mind me asking.
[QUOTE=Cbear13]Not to sound stupid or anything... [/QUOTE]
Afraid you have failed miserably on this point as this is the Photo Gallery and you should have asked this question on the Chat Rooms & Pen Pals thread where the very same question has been asked about a squillion times.
Here's a lass who has mastered the arcane and difficult skill of bringing herself off whilst making small talk to one of her distant foreign BF cash cows. Filipinas have honed this talent to a fine art. Next time you are chatting to your Pinay GF, and she sounds so ecstatically happy, its not always because she is talking to you;).
[QUOTE=Cbear13]Not to sound stupid or anything. But i am going on my fourth trip to the phils next month. What is a DIA account if you don't mind me asking.[/QUOTE]Date In Asia website, for meeting people. Google it. Can't tell you how many philipinas I've chatted in YM with, who I met on DIA, who don't know what DIA stands for. Have to spell it out for them.