Monterrey

[QUOTE=Monterreydude; 1128677]I will not answer one single post of yours after this:

I am not misinformed.

You are not a Mexican. Your way of writing gives you away (tip, we Mexicans do not say "without the millions of dollars of American tax payers' money", we never express ourselves of Americans that way. We Mexicans, living in Monterrey do not bend over backwards to "American Taxpayers", it's the other way around, as if you wouldn't know).

You are a racist. We Mexicans are classists.

So easy to detect your meaning reading between your lines.

Only an American would say this: "I might suggest that you do a little studying and investigating to see just where we (Mexico) would be at this time without the millions of dollars of American tax payers' money. All because of our own government's incompetence and corruption."

(If you were a Mexican you would say that Mexico is alive thanks to the scarifice of millions of Mexican taxpayers)

If you were a Mexican, which you are not, EVERY SINGLE LIVING MEXICAN says that guns come from the US.

Only Americans say the opposite.

By the way, the gun that killed the Mexican agent in San Luis Potosi has been traced to Texas.

God, this is so stupid to read from a "Mexican": "I might suggest that you do a little studying and investigating to see just where we (Mexico) would be at this time without the millions of dollars of American tax payers' money. All because of our own government's incompetence and corruption."

(Only and American would be so falsely proud to rub my nose in taxpayers help money, just to remind me)

(How about the millions of dollars the drug users in the US invest in drugs, that have us in the position we are now in?)

(Please, convince me of the opposite, I want to read from you, if you are a Mexican, that drug trade that ends in the US has Mexico in a state of war).

"No one denies your impeccable record of informing and helping mongers with issues pertaining to Monterrey, and I salute you."

(Six posts and you know me by heart. Yes I have an excelent track record).

"pray that the hatred for the USA might ebb just a little."

(You are truely not a Mexican. Total give away. How about the total hatered for Mexicans in the US? There are some that want the US to invade Mexico, and that includes Republicans and the common citizen. Yes, Iam informed.

I read almost on a daily basis, the NY Times, the LA Times, The Washington Post, Fox News, ABC, CBS. 60 Minutes, The Chicago Tribune, The Huffington Post, Politico, El Norte, El Universal, Milenio and yes obviously, Televisa).

Another give away.

And Iam not a Deepak Chopra follower. I do not believe in coincidences.

If you are not a Monger in Monterrey, but yes, a Mexican. WHY are you reading the ISG?

Why, tell us, please pretty please tells us, why it turns out that you are here in this precise moment of the existence of this forum?

Why just up to now, you decide to intervene?

If you are a Mexican you would be reading the Mexican forums, groups, blogs. Why stick to a forum that is limited in all aspects?

Not minimizing the value of the ISG, but it is nothing compared to the Mexican forums where prostitution can openly be mentioned, talked about and singled out.

Cause truth be said, I might quarrel with my fellow mongers, but their aim is to monger, to find girls, hookers, SC girls.

And they have a track record of posts that say that and can be found here and in other forums.

This discussion is just a side conversation during coffee break.

Non trascendental, contrary to your posts.

Cause we have met in other forums and you hate me like hell. Right?

Oh and yes, and I honestly mean it.

Apologies accepted. [/QUOTE]Not trying to get in the middle of your little dispute, but I don't think you know mexicanos who ever refer to women thieves as ladrones as opposed to ladronas, no? That should be a huge tip-off right there that he might be a Gringo that make the report, no? Just my two cents.

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[QUOTE=Monterreydude;1128821]

Monterrey is so Americanized and copies so much the US style of life that only being here for a peroid of time makes you realize that, and USB is a witness to said thing.[/QUOTE]

Very true. But, unfortunately they copy what is wrong, not what is right or correct. Taken to it's logical conclusion, and depending on the inference of your comment, which I believe was made quite innocently by you, and with no malice intended toward the USA, the US is once again to blame for what is wrong in Mexico? :-))))))))

See how an innocently made comment, meant to convey harmony, can be twisted, seeming to make one point, while conveying an entirely different meaning depending on the perspective of the reader.

[QUOTE=El Cazador; 1128830]Your choke-out report come on 11-11-2010, this before Unospongebobs report on 1-14-2011. How do you previously read his report when his is made after you report?[/QUOTE]Simple. USB posted about an incident where he actually did have to choke out an hombre that attempted to rob him in Rio. Part of his post was to warn about taxis, and to recommend sitting in the back seat. His report can be found on another forum, and is common knowledge to experienced mongers that truly do read the other forums, and actually do monger, which you apparently DO NOT.

You have been challenged to post one mongering report, and you have posted nothing, other than to accuse many of us of having false screen names. If you want credibility, post something specific about the clubs, the girls, etc.

Gaining credibility is simple. You demand credibility, but you haven't earned it. I have nothing against you, but your accusations are only sabotaging your chances for credibility. Why focus so much on discrediting others, and not upon proving your own credibility with a few reports that can be verified?

As far as more than one hombre making a trip to San Luis Potosi, it does not seem strange to me that more than one hombre travels to San Luis, and reports it. San Luis is a large city. If you are Mexicano, I would assume you know that.

[QUOTE=El Cazador; 1128913]Not trying to get in the middle of your little dispute, but I don't think you know mexicanos who ever refer to women thieves as ladrones as opposed to ladronas, no? That should be a huge tip-off right there that he might be a Gringo that make the report, no? Just my two cents.

[url]http://www.Internationalsexguide.info/forum/newreply.php? Do=newreply&p=1127204[/url][/QUOTE]I'll post the next texts I receive from my girlfriends who are 100% Mexicana, then you can tell us how they are all great spellers, and do not make spelling errors.

Tell you what, I'll do you one even better, I'm going to ask my girlfriends tonight to spell the word Ladronas. That should be a hoot! They can't spell Gato, Gata, nada. Ever heard of a typo?

I also echo what Larbo said. Plus, I do support USB. I agree with USB. If he starts telling me we are all going to die if we monger in Mexico, I'll get on his shit too. I spend a lot of time in Mexico, and USB doesn't hype the realities there.

[QUOTE=Larbo; 1128808]I am a US citizen that visits Monterrey for business, and adds the pleasure of mongering in the evenings. I most certainly am not an invention of any other person on this site!

My opinions, when I choose to express them, are mine and mine alone. If I wish to be drawn into a discussion, it is my choice.

I do not like to be accused of being someone else. [/QUOTE]Sad. Neither do I. And, I am not Larbo, Parca, or Smith & Wesson, or Angel, or anybody else. I AM USB!

If I was going to create a screen name, I would create it knowing the correct spelling, ie: Smith & Wesson or S&W. But, I do not mean that as a slam against you SmithandWesson, no offense intended. I am too much a stickler for proper weapons...After all, I need to choke out the taxi drivers :-))))), and I would be anal about that distinction with respect to the S&W name. Who knows, maybe "SmithandWesson" is a Mexicano that does not really know the distinction. Could be...or, it could just be an innocent, and perfectly understandable, variation of a name that should draw absolutely no suspicion other than from someone with my sensitivities.

As for the Mangnuss Colorados, or whatever that screen name spelling should be, the man sounded legit to me.

Just because these people with other screen names are agreeing with me, they are automatically accused of being my creations.

The creation and use of false screen names has been going on here for quite some time by some of the disingenuous hackers that are trying to fuck up the forum. But, when they "think" the tables are being turned on them, they come unglued, paranoid that their idea is being potentially used against them, even when it is NOT.

The reality is, mongers can see who does and does not report truthfully about the clubs...That's all I ever claimed to know...I know mongering in the clubs of Monterrey. Somebody else can play tour guide, or civil defense, or town crier, or whatever their goal is in posting.

[QUOTE=La Parca; 1128976]Simple. USB posted about an incident where he actually did have to choke out an hombre that attempted to rob him in Rio. Part of his post was to warn about taxis, and to recommend sitting in the back seat. His report can be found on another forum, and is common knowledge to experienced mongers that truly do read the other forums, and actually do monger, which you apparently DO NOT.

You have been challenged to post one mongering report, and you have posted nothing, other than to accuse many of us of having false screen names. If you want credibility, post something specific about the clubs, the girls, etc.

Gaining credibility is simple. You demand credibility, but you haven't earned it. I have nothing against you, but your accusations are only sabotaging your chances for credibility. Why focus so much on discrediting others, and not upon proving your own credibility with a few reports that can be verified?

As far as more than one hombre making a trip to San Luis Potosi, it does not seem strange to me that more than one hombre travels to San Luis, and reports it. San Luis is a large city. If you are Mexicano, I would assume you know that. [/QUOTE]Touchet La Parca. Glad you're reading the forums, and taking the advice to heart.

[QUOTE=Cdiazgto; 1128860]"You are not a Mexican" I am as Mexican as you are. Carlos Santana Salvador de Diaz. Born Leon Guanajuato.

"You are a racist. We Mexicans are classists". Classists = racist I see nothing that I wrote that was racist.

"If you were a Mexican, which you are not, EVERY SINGLE LIVING MEXICAN says that guns come from the US".

Lot of misinformed people, guns come from everywhere, right. With all of your reading, surely YOU know the truth.

"If you are not a Monger in Monterrey, but yes, a Mexican. WHY are you reading the ISG?

Why, tell us, please pretty please tells us, why it turns out that you are here in this precise moment of the existence of this forum?" No, not a monger. Actually ISG came up during an investigation into the murder of a Mexican citizen last year in Argentina.

"If you are a Mexican you would be reading the Mexican forums, groups, blogs. Why stick to a forum that is limited in all aspects?" I am not in the habit of reading any forums. As I said this one came up during an investigation. I have no need for forums dealing with prostitution.

" (Please, convince me of the opposite, I want to read from you, if you are a Mexican, that drug trade that ends in the US has Mexico in a state of war)." I agree 100, but how would that prove I am Mexican. Most (99. 9%) of my American associates also agree.

"There are some that want the US to invade Mexico, and that includes Republicans and the common citizen." At this point in time, might not be such a bad idea.

"Cause we have met in other forums and you hate me like hell. Right?" No Sir, we have never met. I am not a member of any other forum.

"So easy to detect your meaning reading between your lines." There is nothing between the lines, just what I wrote.

USB.

"Didn't think he was Mexican either. Mexicanos generally like pointing the finger at the US too much. Even Mexican Americans are too deeply rooted in Mexican culture, pride, and patriotism to sometimes see themselves as Americans first. Dead giveaway that he is not Mexicano, and probably not Mexican / American either."

Key word "generally". I have found over the years that people from Monterrey generally dance to a different drummer. The farther from Monterrey you travel the more ideology changes. I once accepted a case in Monterrey and was there for 13 months. That was enough for me. I no longer accept assignments to Monterrey. Because I don't point fingers, I am not Mexican? Who is the Psychologist here?

Perhaps I was a little too quick to offer my apology but I stick by it. But my original thoughts are imbedded in my mind.

Thanks for the invaluable information you have provided to this forum.

So everyone stand up and shout Hoo-ray. This is my last post to the Monterrey forum. [/QUOTE]

I am surprised you are not being accused of being my creation, in order to throw off the dogs. That would be such an original idea, create a personality to discredit others and wreak havoc in the forum so as to distract the detractors.

I appreciate your sticking to your apology. I really have no idea if you are, or are not Mexicano...

I can tell that you are highly educated, and your writing ability is far beyond most Mexican Nationals. I can tell that you are a very patriotic American, and that you are offended by undue, and/or unfair criticism aimed at the USA, which I highly respect, something that is not typical of most Mexican/Americans, much less Mexican Nationals, you must admit... hence my skepticism about your origins.

Do not grow too angry with Monterreydude. He is a truly a good guy, and I personally vouch for him without reservation, regardless of his politics. You should meet him sometime if you come back to Monterrey. Peace.

Your two cents have been accepted. Hadn't noticed the female / male gender thing.

Yes it is. Thank you.

[QUOTE=El Cazador; 1128913]Not trying to get in the middle of your little dispute, but I don't think you know mexicanos who ever refer to women thieves as ladrones as opposed to ladronas, no? That should be a huge tip-off right there that he might be a Gringo that make the report, no? Just my two cents.

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[QUOTE=Monterreydude; 1129018]Your two cents have been accepted. Hadn't noticed the female / male gender thing.

Yes it is. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Monterreydude and me both know that is impossible to believe that a mexican that speak the spanish mixup genders. Woman theives always refer to as ladronas and men thieves always refer to as ladrones. Same as rateras and rateros. Monterreydude and me both in agreement that Mangas Coloradas cannot be a mexican and is a gringo. If somebody ever mixup the genders you know that is not posible for them to be mexican that speak true spanish.

The forum know understand the mixup of genders is not posible to be a typo or spelling error as La Parca try to make the suggest. Again it is good for him to try as there is many doubts who is who on this Monterrey forum.

[QUOTE=La Parca;1127146]I used trustee and the choke out terms based on what USB previously wrote. I agree with USB about the dangers in Mexico, that's all. Peace.[/QUOTE]Now why not say what USB previously wrote on another forum about what happen with him in Rio.

Because when you say what USB previously wrote and don't make the clarify that the USB choke out report is from Rio.

And another forum 99 percentage of people here going to believe that is from this forum, no?

Now is this Rio de Janeiro or Rio Grande we talk about? Maybe we need to start to clarify things as you confuse names, dates, other forums we don't want to mixup the location aalso now.

So: The Mexican drug supply ends, tomorrow, does the US consumption of drugs lessen. Indisputable fact: NO.

So: All arms from the US are stopped, tomorrow, do the cartels stop getting weapons. Indisputable fact: NO.

Stop fixing the blame, fix the problem.

The problem is that criminal enterprises are rampant in Mexico, if they can't sell drugs they resort to terror, extortions, kidnappings, whatever they can make money at.

Criminal enterprises in Mexico are what the US experienced (and still does, but not on the level seen now in Mexico), in depth, with the mafias, costra nostra and others, years ago.
But, it is a LOT easier in Mexico where it is extremely easy to buy government officials, police, etc.

Bbond, American politicians are owned by organized crime (still alive and well in the US) AND corporate mafias.

Come on, that is a world known fact.

It's like we say in Mexico: you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars.

Or do you think that ALL politicians in the US are pretty clean marines?

All the police forces are clean and not in the take (specially NYPD)?

[QUOTE=Bbond; 1129399]So: The Mexican drug supply ends, tomorrow, does the US consumption of drugs lessen. Indisputable fact: NO.

So: All arms from the US are stopped, tomorrow, do the cartels stop getting weapons. Indisputable fact: NO.

Stop fixing the blame, fix the problem.

The problem is that criminal enterprises are rampant in Mexico, if they can't sell drugs they resort to terror, extortions, kidnappings, whatever they can make money at.

Criminal enterprises in Mexico are what the US experienced (and still does, but not on the level seen now in Mexico) , in depth, with the mafias, costra nostra and others, years ago.

But, it is a LOT easier in Mexico where it is extremely easy to buy government officials, police, etc. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Cazador; 1129175]Now why not say what USB previously wrote on another forum about what happen with him in Rio.

Because when you say what USB previously wrote and don't make the clarify that the USB choke out report is from Rio.

And another forum 99 percentage of people here going to believe that is from this forum, no?

Now is this Rio de Janeiro or Rio Grande we talk about? Maybe we need to start to clarify things as you confuse names, dates, other forums we don't want to mixup the location aalso now.[/QUOTE]If the misspelling of Ladronas was so obvious to a legitimate, intelligent, well educated, observant "Mexicano, " why does one very intelligent, well educated, observant Mexicano say to the other that the gender distinction went totally "UN-NOTICED? " (ie: "Hadn't noticed the female/male gender thing. ")

You want to know how my GFs spell Monterrey? "MONTERIE". And they live there!

Most Mexicanos spell things just the way they sound, not the way they are grammatically supposed to be spelled. If you truly are Mexicano, you know this is true.

Your command of English has you misunderstanding many things. The report posted about the taxi occurred in Monterrey. I just borrowed the terminology from USB because of his similar incident in Rio. The same kind of incident occurred in both places, Monterrey and Rio. When it happened, I decided it was wise to convey the same kind of advice on ISG that USB used in Rio. USB didn't give the advice to choke anyone out, he actually DID choke him out, and his report on Rio came to mind when I wrote my post!

The "Choke Out" term conveys perfect meaning. What more would you have someone do that has no other weapons but his hands, arms, teeth, and legs? The Choke Out term was perfect when USB used it, and it is exactly what I would advocate doing were I in his same circumstance in Rio, or Monterrey.

I believe that your command of English may have you misinterpreting the true meaning of the term "Choke Out" anyway. A Choke Out is a way of rendering someone eventually unconscious, not necessarily killing them, but taking them under your control when you have no other weapons at your disposal. I have nothing against Taxi Drivers in general. But, when a criminal, who just happens to be driving a taxi, is intent on robbing, kidnapping, or killing you, I assume that even a Mexicano would strive to protect one's self, no?

Assuming escape was not an option, and you were increasingly under the control of the criminal as he drove away from El Centro, toward the outskirts of Monterrey, and if you could not exit the locked doors of the taxi, which was USB's circumstance, would you wait and fight the individual on his terms? In Monterrey, would you wait until you are poised along the rim of the mass grave on the outskirts of "Monterie, " where he may have also acquired weapons and be in a position to easily use them against you, or strive to take control of the situation from behind the driver before he is able to gain the advantage. I'll take my chances in El Centro, and once I had warned him several times to take me where I asked him to take me, I would not give him the opportunity to gain the upper hand.

As for which "Rio" this incident occurred in, anyone who actually mongers knows the answer. It is a natural assumption. Do you really think that a mongering "animal" like USB would waste his time in Rio Grande? You must be joking.

[QUOTE=Monterreydude; 1129416]Bbond, American politicians are owned by organized crime (still alive and well in the US) AND corporate mafias.

Come on, that is a world known fact.

It's like we say in Mexico: you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars.

Or do you think that ALL politicians in the US are pretty clean marines?

All the police forces are clean and not in the take (specially NYPD)? [/QUOTE]

Ha Ha Ha, as bad as the police corruption can sometimes be in New York and Chicago, they pale significantly in comparison to any department in Mexico, not matter which one you want to compare. The problem is, there are NO reliable statistics to compare Mexican departments with US departments. At least in the US, the statistics for comparison exist. In Mexico, they cover EVERYTHING UP, and I MEAN EVERYTHING!!! Huhmmmm, that's convenient...

Actually, New York's reputation has come up quite a bit in the last ten years. Chicago still has it's reputation in tact for graft and corruption though.

" you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars."

Common' !!! It costs more to live in the USA!!!!

Simple comparison, considering equal quality and comparable lovely appearance.

H**ker = $1300 pesos in Mexico (sometimes for hours on end)

H**ker = $6000 pesos in the USA (at least $500 bucks for (1) , ONE, Count-em, ONE HOUR-NO MORE).

Mexicanos are getting 1 million pesos, and Gringos are being short changed based on the cost comparison of living large in the two countries...

I REST MY CASE...

[QUOTE=Monterreydude; 1129416]Bbond, American politicians are owned by organized crime (still alive and well in the US) AND corporate mafias.

Come on, that is a world known fact.

It's like we say in Mexico: you own a politician in Mexico with a million pesos, but in the US they get a million dollars.

Or do you think that ALL politicians in the US are pretty clean marines?

All the police forces are clean and not in the take (specially NYPD)? [/QUOTE]Read again the last line of the post:

[quote]But, it is a LOT easier in Mexico where it is extremely easy to buy government officials, police, etc.[/quote]I believe that the whole damn political world is corrupt, it's just a lot easier in some places.

I lived in the USA for 50+ years, never lost a dime to a crooked cop, sure as hell can't say that about here in just 2 years, or in Juarez in just a few visits. I have never been shaken down or extorted by anyone other than Mexican police and transitos.