Jakarta

[QUOTE=United1;2695012]Gents,

This was my first experiences at Malioboro Spa (Malio). I will like to share since some of you might be new and wanted to details what I went thru. Overall good experiences.

I went to Malio on a Sunday afternoon around 4 pm (I know its too early, but I don't like monger late at night). It seems to be in a fairly safe location. About 5-10 min moto ride from Plaza Indonesia and across street from few 4-star hotels (Harris and Mercure). So overall feels safe.

On the outside, the hotel looks quite run down, but when you walk its brightly lighted 3-star hotel. First you walks up to the counter and they give you a locker key with number. This will used for billing purpose. Then you take elevator to the 2 (or 3?) floor. There is another counter that will direct you to a big lounge (BAR) area. I am not sure if this is the night club. There were a lot of tables, chairs, banquet seats and I think there was a small stage. Since it was my first time, I didn't want to stay too long. Maybe 10-15% full.

Mamasan will come and ask if you want drink and try to talk to you. I didn't have much time, so I just ask to see ladies. The showed me a price list with different levels. It was something like Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Something else. Each with the prices. I don't remembers exactly, prices but bronze was 680 K and top class was 2.8 M. The higher you go, better looking and foreign girls. I think Bronze to Gold was local Indonesian girl and higher levels were Vietnam, Uzbek, maybe some other white girl.

Since I didn't have much cash on me, I asked for local girl. She showed me 6 girls. They were probably 6-7's at best. Nothing ugly, but not hot Indonesia beauties. I chose the best of the lot #587. Then sat us at table and ask if I want drink. I said no I need to go, so #587 took my hand and walked me out of bar area. Mamasan asked for tip. I didn't know what to do, so I gave her 50 k.

Girl takes you to that same counter (outside bar) and does some paperwork. Then I had to buy a condom for 28 K. Dumb.

Then girl take me on elevator to floor with rooms. The room was quite clean, but typical brothel room (maybe I can pay for better room)? Has shower and bed, no window.

Then its standard brothel experience. Shower, light massage, BBBJ, FS. Was fun, didn't feel very mechanical. But to be honest I no very excited about her. I had one hour total with her. Mostly massage and shower. She reminded me of a Geylang girl. Average looks, but looks good in heels and pushup bras. When it comes off, not so hot.

After, she asked for cash tip. I didn't know what to do (I should have read forms) So I gave her 100 K. She seem mad, but I didn't have enough cash and didn't know how much final bill will be.

Then she take me back to lounge area. I didn't want to stay, so I went back down to 1st floor lobby to check out.

Here I gave back my locker key. And my total price was 1,040 K. Which I guess was price of girl and room for one hour.

As I was leaving security guard was nice and got me Blue Bird taxi. But then also asked for tip. I only have him 10 K.

Taxi took me home no problems. Sometimes taxi when pick up men at brothel, can be shady.

Overall. I had a good experience, nice facilities and I might try to go back if Seeking doesn't work for me (some seeking girls are insanely expensive). Realize I should go back to Malio in evening for better selection and not be so timid. I should try to enjoy more. I think there are probably more beauties available. Maybe I spend more money and find better selection in evening.

Questions for group ==.

Does anyone have advices about how much to tip?

Is there an actual spa with bath, hot cold pool, showers?

Did I miss anything from the 'malio' experience?

I thought there is a dance floor. Is there?

Thank and hope this helps any newbie out there.

Onward.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, you may have shown your hand when the Mamasan asked for the first tip. They are professionals at smelling inexperience and the jungle drums of Malioboro work fast when they know theres a tipper in the building. This isn't the first time OS has heard this story. You should just put it down to the upfront costs involved in learning how Jakarta works. It's no big deal.

Can anyone update whether Bats and CJ still open as pickup locations?

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2697095]Unfortunately, you may have shown your hand when the Mamasan asked for the first tip. They are professionals at smelling inexperience and the jungle drums of Malioboro work fast when they know theres a tipper in the building. This isn't the first time OS has heard this story. You should just put it down to the upfront costs involved in learning how Jakarta works. It's no big deal.[/QUOTE]Thanks OffSwell. Like you said, you live and you learn. I am sure they smelled "newbie blood" when I walked in the door. Won't make the same mistake next time!

Onward,

U1.

[QUOTE=United1;2695012]Gents,

This was my first experiences at Malioboro Spa (Malio). I will like to share since some of you might be new and wanted to details what I went thru. ....[/QUOTE]Your description of your experience at Malioboro is highly accurate. This is exactly how it works there. I wish I were back in Indo myself! But not before July, alas.

I believe there is a proper spa section on the lower floors of the part you were in, though I have never gone to those floors myself (I always go straight for the girls).

You missed the other part of Malioboro. You were in the part closest to the street. There is another part at the back, further away from the street. It has its own entrance. It is also possible to cross between the two parts by going up a few floors and through some corridors. You can get someone there to show you the way. In the part at the back, it is more like a proper night club, with loud music, a bit dark, lots of dancers, girls who only keep you company, girls to take to room etc. There are some roaming girls there who do lady drinks. They are the hottest girls I have seen in Jakarta. Unbelievably attractive. But you will run up a huge lady drink bill with them very fast and they cost over 3 million to take to the room.

In general you will spend a lot more money at Malioboro than at Classic or Travel. Malioboro is a bit more "upmarket", but the sexual experience is not necessarily better. At Classic and Travel service is unpredictable, but what does it matter when you can go through three girls for the price of one. I also find that it is more difficult to interact with girls at Malioboro than at Classic.

Rooms at Malioboro, Classic and Travel don't have windows. But they are squeaky clean.

I don't know why you are so worried about security. Indonesia is generally very safe, safer than many places in Europe, and places like Malioboro, Classic and Travel are the safest of all within the Indonesian context. Including taxis outside (though they will refuse to use the meter and you need to negotiate a price in advance. The only thing to watch out for is lady drinks, but you have to understand that the whole point of lady drinks is a kind of tongue in cheek game to press up your expenditure. Almost like a competition between the girl and you. "See if you can resist me. " And yes, the bill in Malioboro is always a bit higher than one expects. In Classic and Travel it is usually spot on and they are even more transparent about pricing.

The girl gets a very low share of the official price tag and everybody is expected to tip. 300 000 is a standard minimum tip. Anything below that is a punishment for bad service. If the girl is nice and makes an effort, more could be paid, up to 6-700 000 if it was really fantastic. More if you fall in love, even just for a little while.

To one of the other posters on the forum: to send a girl back because she has saggy tits or something like that is really cruel. Remember they are humans, they have feelings, they are in a desperate economic situation and they are doing very dangerous work to satisfy you. Treat them nice. And as somebody else wrote, if you don't want a girl who has had a baby, ask BOTH the mamasan and the girl before taking the girl. The mamasan may say yes, yes but not really know. Also remember you never have to do what the mamasan says. She is pushy because she is competing against other mamasans, but this does not mean that her pushiness represents the authority of the institution.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2697218]The girl gets a very low share of the official price tag and everybody is expected to tip. 300 000 is a standard minimum tip. Anything below that is a punishment for bad service. If the girl is nice and makes an effort, more could be paid, up to 6-700 000 if it was really fantastic. More if you fall in love, even just for a little while.[/QUOTE]Is there a minimum level of service that the girl should provide to get the 300 K minimum tip?
If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, should I give her the minimum 300k tip?
Where does this standard minimum tip amount come from? Are others here in agreement with this amount?

Bats been open for a few months already but CJs is still closed.

Classic.

[QUOTE=FreakyMango;2697154]Can anyone update whether Bats and CJ still open as pickup locations?[/QUOTE]

Just as a reference, most locals in Jakarta tip 50 to 100 k.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2697265]Is there a minimum level of service that the girl should provide to get the 300 K minimum tip?
If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, should I give her the minimum 300k tip?
Where does this standard minimum tip amount come from? Are others here in agreement with this amount?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2697265]Is there a minimum level of service that the girl should provide to get the 300 K minimum tip?
If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, should I give her the minimum 300k tip?
Where does this standard minimum tip amount come from? Are others here in agreement with this amount?[/QUOTE]@Cucumber. I misread your post and thought you were saying that Classic had the 300 K minimum tip. So everyone can ignore my previous post.

If Malioboro management expect customers to pay a minimum 300 k tip, then they must expect their girls to provide a decent standard of service.

If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, has she earned the minimum 300 k tip?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2697218]Your description of your experience at Malioboro is highly accurate. This is exactly how it works there. I wish I were back in Indo myself! But not before July, alas..[/QUOTE]Thanks Cucumber. I am heading there tonight again and will heed your advices. Hopefully you can join the fun when you arrive in July.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2697303]@Cucumber. I misread your post and thought you were saying that Classic had the 300 K minimum tip. So everyone can ignore my previous post.

If Malioboro management expect customers to pay a minimum 300 k tip, then they must expect their girls to provide a decent standard of service.

If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, has she earned the minimum 300 k tip?[/QUOTE]I agree if she does a total starfish, you can tip less, 100 or 200 k. But I would only tip 0 she is actually aggressive or quarrelsome.

Management has no expectation for how much you should tip. It is an issue to be resolved between you (your willingness to pay) and the girl (her performance) and ultimately it is up to you. This way the girls have an incentive to perform well, which is in everybody's interest. But remember she makes almost nothing from the basic fee, most of that goes to the establishment. So almost all of her income comes from whatever you decide to tip her. 300 k IDR is 21 US $. Plus maybe 10 US $ or something like that from the basic fee. That is not a lot of money for letting a stranger, usually older and less attractive guy, use your body. And of course the girls come from poverty and need every cent.

As I have written here before, I find it highly advantageous to be transparent tell her before the session: "good service, good tip; very good service, very good tip; very, very good service, very very good tip. Bad service, no tip". This doesn't always work, but often it does and it has sometimes given me some unbelievable performances. If she has a feeling you are a cheap charlie, she is going to be much less likely to put in a good effort.

A possible misunderstanding is that the girl may think "service" specifically means blowjob. I am not actually that preoccupied with blowjobs, so I also state up front some of the things I want, usually including passionate DFK and DATY. More kinky stuff I initiate more spontaneously in the session, and then it is up to her whether she wants to go for the big tip (and / or whether we happen to enjoy the same things). That is things like anal play (but not actual anal sex in Indonesia, their anuses are mostly too small), face sitting, drinking saliva, exchange of golden showers, rimming each other. If she ticks all of those boxes, but above all if she succeeds in giving me a feeling that she is really enjoying the sex and likes me, we're in the really big tip range, potentially a million. Paying a 19-year old with a pretty face and a perfect body a 70 buck tip to do those things I consider a bargain.

[QUOTE=ClassicJakarta;2697291]Just as a reference, most locals in Jakarta tip 50 to 100 k.[/QUOTE]I fully agree.

[QUOTE=ClassicJakarta;2697291]Just as a reference, most locals in Jakarta tip 50 to 100 k.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I've read before that at most places, for basic service 100 k tip was ok.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2697732]Management has no expectation for how much you should tip. It is an issue to be resolved between you (your willingness to pay) and the girl (her performance) and ultimately it is up to you.[/QUOTE]I've read about it here before for Malio - 200 K minimum tip, and now 300 k minimum tip.

If management has no expectation about how much you tip, then how can it be said that there is a minimum tip? Where does this minimum tip information come from?

Am I misunderstanding this?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2697732]As I have written here before, I find it highly advantageous to be transparent tell her before the session: "good service, good tip; very good service, very good tip; very, very good service, very very good tip. Bad service, no tip". This doesn't always work, but often it does and it has sometimes given me some unbelievable performances. If she has a feeling you are a cheap charlie, she is going to be much less likely to put in a good effort.[/QUOTE]Do you state the amount that you are prepared to tip or just leave it at no tip, good tip, very good tip?

Do you show her the money?

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2697988]Thanks. I've read before that at most places, for basic service 100 k tip was ok.

I've read about it here before for Malio - 200 K minimum tip, and now 300 k minimum tip.[/QUOTE]A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.

By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.

I am beginning to understand why there is a need to keep non-mainstream brothels hush-hush and not here on a public forum.

Can somebody confirm if BATS is back to normal? How is the scene? Do they still have ladies nights on Wednesdays? Planning to visit next month.

Bats is open, but not really busy yet. Might be because there is still not many bules around.

[QUOTE=RedRobin3092;2698062]Can somebody confirm if BATS is back to normal? How is the scene? Do they still have ladies nights on Wednesdays? Planning to visit next month.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2697994]A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.[/QUOTE]Sorry if my post was not clear. I am not telling people how much to tip. I will be visiting Jakarta later this year and I'm asking for clarification about how much to tip.

Information on tipping posted here is confusing. I don't want to over tip but I want to give the girl a fair reward if her service is good.

If you can advise me of what is approptiate I would appreciate it.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2697994]By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.[/QUOTE]I agree. The minimum tip information doesn't make sense. But after reading about it in a recent post, I did a search and found that other people had also posted about it. Only about Malioboro. Where does this minimum tip information come from? As I said before, the information is confusing but this forum is my main source of information.

Just today, Indonesia has updated the rules again, now you don't need a PCR test before arrival.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2697994]A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.

By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.

I am beginning to understand why there is a need to keep non-mainstream brothels hush-hush and not here on a public forum.[/QUOTE]People occasionally make this point about spoiling the market by paying too much. I find it very difficult to understand that logic. At the places we are discussing, the basic price is non-negotiable, and the tip is up to the customer. The effect of what you see as high tipping by some bule should then logically be that the girls give better service to other bule in the hope of getting a similarly high tip again. So the higher tipper is in fact subsidizing the low tipper. Not ruining the market.

Concerning claims about 100 k being normal, I can't remember ever having been with a girl at one of these establishments who would be happy with such a tip. As far as I can see, expectations are clearly higher. Personally I don't think paying a total of 47 USD including tip for ok sex with a 19 year old with a perfect body is expensive.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2697732]I agree if she does a total starfish, you can tip less, 100 or 200 k. But I would only tip 0 she is actually aggressive or quarrelsome.
Paying a 19-year old with a pretty face and a perfect body a 70 buck tip to do those things I consider a bargain.[/QUOTE]The question is why tipping for a starfish? I don't even pay for starfish. I sent her packing and take another one period. I m not here to get her out of poverty or make her believe I m a gentleman. She s a hooker I pay for a service not to give money to the Red Cross.

[QUOTE=ClassicJakarta;2698347]Bats is open, but not really busy yet. Might be because there is still not many bules around.[/QUOTE]Thank you! Been more than 2 years. Looking forward to getting back to twice a year visit soon!

Based on experience and applying a theoretical 100 k tip, there are a number of factors which influence how well (or poorly) the tip is received.

Variables include:

1. The quality of the establishment.

2. The rapport built between the two parties (party be being polite and making Party A laugh).

3. The gap size in age and physical appearance of the two parties (the bigger the gap, the bigger the tip required to satiate Party A).

4. Indonesian language fluency (outward indicator of local knowledge and adds to rapport building).

If you can work 3 out of those 4 variables in your favour, then a 100 k tip is at most warmly received and at least, accepted without fuss.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2698463]People occasionally make this point about spoiling the market by paying too much. I find it very difficult to understand that logic. At the places we are discussing, the basic price is non-negotiable, and the tip is up to the customer. The effect of what you see as high tipping by some bule should then logically be that the girls give better service to other bule in the hope of getting a similarly high tip again. So the higher tipper is in fact subsidizing the low tipper. Not ruining the market.

Concerning claims about 100 k being normal, I can't remember ever having been with a girl at one of these establishments who would be happy with such a tip. As far as I can see, expectations are clearly higher. Personally I don't think paying a total of 47 USD including tip for ok sex with a 19 year old with a perfect body is expensive.[/QUOTE]

Hi all, heading to Jakarta for a short work trip. Doubtful will have time to head out to Classic or Malio etc. Any reliable recommendations for outcalls / escorts? Lots of twitter listings but no idea if reliable.

Folks,

Its been 2 years to Jakarta, coming next week. Is the Be fashion spa still providing the package massage esp tiger claw? If not, any other Spa recommendation with blissful service? Guidance is appreciated.

Agreed on spoiling the market by over tipping but at the same time, depends on level of service I received. At classic or similar establishments, I've tipped 100-150 to the girls that gave me amazing service, same goes for other places, at same time I deliberately tipped 50 to girls who were persistent on lady drinks and provided shitty service just to send a strong msg that "you need to up your service".

Language could be a challenge in conversing with some but telling her what you want using signs or common words, they understands pretty good.

Some brothers mentioned about Malioboro! Not my usual place as I find it's overpriced for Indon girls which I can get similar standard through my Indonesian friends from a non-pro for a fair amount and 90% of the time, they provide top notch service and they get the tip for it. Does one need to tip 200-300 because it's Malioboro, absolutely not! Even if you are taking Easter European form there. Like I said, it all depends on you and the service you received.

Another scenario of good tips, I met a young MILF from backpage (definitely before Trump time) and we agreed on 3 shot 4/5 hrs. She ended up staying until the morning without demanding extra for her time and service was one of the best I have received in my life. She even offered to drive me to eat breakfast! Initial agreed amount was 750 for her time and she left with additional 250 tips and we both were happy. On her second visit, she even brought food for us.

I'm contrary, tip based on Place, Looks and service. You got shitty service, just come out and walk away. You got decent service, tip decent and on. But it's important to remember, if you are getting service for 365/ shot, it's not necessary to tip 250 as that will definitely set the bar to the highest expectations and service will mostly likely decline from that certain individual.

Blues definitely have increased the market for these non-pro escorts because they knows pretty well, they won't be getting similar amount from locals, doesn't matter whether it's a super model from Bats.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2697994]A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.

By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.

I am beginning to understand why there is a need to keep non-mainstream brothels hush-hush and not here on a public forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2699100]Agreed on spoiling the market by over tipping....[/QUOTE]Again, how exactly does higher tipping spoil the market? The basic price at the establishments we are discussing is non-negotiable and has been fixed for at least the past five years. That price doesn't go up just because somebody else pays a higher tip, not for them and not for you. And how much you tip is entirely up to you and you do not reveal it until after the act. So how is the market spoiled?!

If we were talking about freelancing streetwalkers, BATS, CJ's etc. Where the price is negotiated individually in advance of the act then of course the picture would be different. But that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing Classic, Travel, and Malioboro where there is a non-negotiable basic price set by the establishment, and a 100% voluntary tip which is entirely at the discretion of the customer.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2699413]Again, how exactly does higher tipping spoil the market? [/QUOTE]As much as I adore those sweet and submissive LBFMs, they tend to get lazy and not provide a good service because they assume the next dumb and naive bule would still tip them 200 or 300 K regardless. Let's not even get to the constant pestering for "money tips" or those silly things they do when you are about to leave the room and they aren't happy with the 100 K. Again, this only happens in the mainstream places like Travel, Classic, Malio, etc. Where bules frequent.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2699413]We are discussing Classic, Travel, and Malioboro where there is a non-negotiable basic price set by the establishment, and a 100% voluntary tip which is entirely at the discretion of the customer.[/QUOTE]This doesn't match what you posted previously about a standard minimum tip, which was the main cause of confusion for me.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2697218]300 000 is a standard minimum tip.[/QUOTE]Saying that something is standard, implies that it is generally accepted. Based on the other posts here, and now your current post, this doesn't appear to be the case. There isn't a generally accepted minimum tip. I think you should have said in your earlier post, that giving a 300 k minimum tip was your personal view.

Thanks to all the members who have provided information about their opinions of appropriate tipping.

Hi,

I'll be in Jakarta in a few of weeks. Can anyone share, besides Malio, what other establishments can I find eastern European girls and what are the damages likes?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2699489]This doesn't match what you posted previously about a standard minimum tip, which was the main cause of confusion for me.

Saying that something is standard, implies that it is generally accepted. Based on the other posts here, and now your current post, this doesn't appear to be the case. There isn't a generally accepted minimum tip. I think you should have said in your earlier post, that giving a 300 k minimum tip was your personal view.

Thanks to all the members who have provided information about their opinions of appropriate tipping.[/QUOTE]The Cucumber is talking about places where the girls are captive and have to take on all comers. It is the assembly line functional encounter. If he wants to tip in that environment for that kind of experience and that's what makes him feel good, well it's nothing worth thinking about. Go to these places once and it will be clear to you.

Coming into town in a month. Like to stay where the action is. What hotels have clubs attached to them? Also where are the hot spots now. Been to Bats and CJs. But also looking for other options. Thanks. PM if you don't want to post is fine. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mkkamk;2699679]Coming into town in a month. <snip> [/QUOTE]

You worked hard to post your questions in multiple places.

It is my pleasure to welcome you to Jakarta. I will wash and get the RED Carpet ready for your arrival.
Anything else I can do for you, Sir?

~BKKguru.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2699723]You worked hard to post your questions in multiple places.

It is my pleasure to welcome you to Jakarta. I will wash and get the RED Carpet ready for your arrival.
Anything else I can do for you, Sir?

~BKKguru.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know where there is info on pickup locations in Jakarta and hotels that I can stay at? Perhaps reviews from hundreds of guys who have done trips previously? Some sort of an online forum with decades of history would be even better.

I've got no idea where I could find anything like that but suggestions are welcome.

Regards. G.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2699661]The Cucumber is talking about places where the girls are captive and have to take on all comers. It is the assembly line functional encounter.[/QUOTE]1. They have chosen the line of work, nobody forced them.

2. They have a right to refuse a customer. I have seen it first hand many times.

3. Half of them are freelancers and are allowed to leave at any time. The other half, who have taken on debt, are only restricted from leaving until they pay back what they owe. It's the same as locals who have taken on unsecured loans from financial institutions not being allowed to travel overseas until they pay back what they owe. Or employers confiscating passports of KITAS holders.

Please let's not turn Indonesia into the next Thailand or Cambodia. I will for sure keep the non-mainstream places to myself only, as the last thing we need is bules spoiling the market.

Guys / Seniors,

Any pointers appreciated. If not any leads pm me please? I will reciprocate my leads in IN if anyone keen.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2699489] ... Saying that something is standard, implies that it is generally accepted. Based on the other posts here, and now your current post, this doesn't appear to be the case. There isn't a generally accepted minimum tip. I think you should have said in your earlier post, that giving a 300 k minimum tip was your personal view...[/QUOTE]Everybody here is expressing their personal view of what is generally accepted, based on their experiences and impressions. It happens that Classic, Travel and Malioboro are my favorite places to monger. I have been going there (intermittently) for years. I must have slept with several hundred girls in those establishments. It is based on those experiences that I have formed the impression that around 300 k is a standard tip that will be considered decent and neither impress nor disappoint much. Many other members have stated on this forum at various times that they don't even like those establishments, and I guess they don't spend much time there either. To each his own, but perhaps it also has something to do precisely with not working out / accepting the pricing / tipping system. Some places in Jakarta are cheaper than these, but tend to have very low hygiene standards (no or dirty shower, dirty bed). But many are more expensive, and some are much more expensive. E. g. Zen Club Thamrin. Prices there start a bit over 3 million per hour and go up to 6 million. Not including tip. And personally I don't even find the Zen girls that attractive. What I like about a place like Classic is that the rooms are spotless, the basic price of girls is low and their rewards are instead in the form of tips, which gives them an incentive to perform well. If the customer understands and accepts the system.

I like to sleep with several girls in a row on the same night. This gives me some additional impressions of how tips are perceived. The girls share information with each other and how much you tip may therefore influence how the other girls and mamasans relate to you. If you tip much less than 300 k, they are likely to be less friendly and less service-minded. Sometimes I also tip a mamasan 100 k if she brings me a girl that performs really well. That can have a great effect.

Obviously any tipping involves an element of subjectivity. If you ask what is the usual tip in a restaurant in the US, in Germany, in Japan etc. , people. Including locals. Will also give you different answers. At the same time, there are certain levels that will substantially reduce the risk of the waiter spitting in your dish in the kitchen the next time you visit the restaurant. I don't understand all the moral indignation here on the forum about different views on levels of tipping.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2700721]I have formed the impression that around 300 k is a standard tip that will be considered decent[/QUOTE]Back in the day when Geylang in Singapore was alive and kicking, Indo FLs and the Thai houses started a dual pricing system, where bules had to pay double that of mongers of Asian descent. This was a result of too many bules tipping huge amounts and feeling guilt and that they need to act as the Red Cross.

If Indonesia is on the radar of 2-week millionaires or becomes the next Thailand, this will happen.

[QUOTE=RedRobin3092;2698062]Can somebody confirm if BATS is back to normal? How is the scene? Do they still have ladies nights on Wednesdays? Planning to visit next month.[/QUOTE]BATS is the best pickup in Jakarta as on date. The selection is pretty good on all days of the week. The going rate is 1 million IDR for 1 shot and 2 million for the night + taxi.

[QUOTE=FreakyMango;2701296]BATS is the best pickup in Jakarta as on date. [/QUOTE]Any intel on CJ's?

[QUOTE=Zanny;2700046]I've seen a lot of comments lately, people asking for basic info of where to find the women, where to find the spas, etc.

I have created a very handy map, having done a lot of research before my trip to Jakarta for the first time, next week.

My Jakarta Day Spa, Nightlife and Tourist Map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&usp=sharing[/URL][/QUOTE]Good mapping. Great to see a newbie make a post with some actual value addition rather than asking the same questions answered multiple times before.

[QUOTE=Zanny;2700046]I've seen a lot of comments lately, people asking for basic info of where to find the women, where to find the spas, etc.

I have created a very handy map, having done a lot of research before my trip to Jakarta for the first time, next week.

My Jakarta Day Spa, Nightlife and Tourist Map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&usp=sharing[/URL][/QUOTE]Hope prices at these have not increased too much when I visit in July.

[QUOTE=Zanny;2700046]I've seen a lot of comments lately, people asking for basic info of where to find the women, where to find the spas, etc.

I have created a very handy map, having done a lot of research before my trip to Jakarta for the first time, next week.

My Jakarta Day Spa, Nightlife and Tourist Map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&usp=sharing[/URL][/QUOTE]Great work! I have put it in the Reports of Distinction Thread.

Hello Boys,

Has anyone been to Halomas recently? How about Kartika and Berlian in the notorious Swiss Bakery ally? If so, please provide any details you can regarding hours of operation, prices, and general quality of service.

Many thanks!

Hello,

If you know Indonesia and the Philippines well, I would like to ask 2 questions:

1) Filipinas or Indonesians love sex more. How do they behave in bed?

2) I don't like bar or night clubs and I don't like pro girls. I'm old but in good shape. I'd like to contact a regular nice girl online and to stay with her for full time in my rented apartment in Jakarta for one week. I'd like to get a GF experience, therefore we will go to some restaurants too, to night clubs too, to cook together in apartment too.

If I want to give her a cash gift, how much money can I give her for one week?

[QUOTE=Jimnpou1;2704842]Hello Boys,

Has anyone been to Halomas recently? How about Kartika and Berlian in the notorious Swiss Bakery ally? If so, please provide any details you can regarding hours of operation, prices, and general quality of service.

Many thanks![/QUOTE]I was in that alley, I mentioned it in my trip report. That trip report lives in a certain forum about Pattaya (where I type this from now) in the "rest of the world" area. Don't think I'd be allowed to post the link here, so you have to do some digging. I extensively report on Jakarta from my trip last week.

Regarding the alley, only one place looked open, at 11 am, Royal Mas, from Google Street View: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@-6.1505794[/URL], 106.8175296,3 a,61.1 y,113.91 h,79.22 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 sXaaUbulfyV1 V_qXFlBVs5 A!2 e0!7 i16384!8 i8192.

Nothing else looked open, the alley was quite dead, I felt like a big target in this small alley, and I felt it better to bounce. So I went down the road to Kimochi Mabes.

Happy to see my Jakarta Monger's map is popular with the fellas on this forum. It only had a small amount of views, now it's in the threads of distinction, well over 3000 views: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&ll=-6.146481575251801%2C106.81144570000001&z=14[/URL].

[QUOTE=Zanny;2700046]I've seen a lot of comments lately, people asking for basic info of where to find the women, where to find the spas, etc.

I have created a very handy map, having done a lot of research before my trip to Jakarta for the first time, next week.

My Jakarta Day Spa, Nightlife and Tourist Map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&usp=sharing[/URL][/QUOTE]Great work. Fruitful information. Thanks a lot.

This forum sure is quiet!

Guys,

I want to visit Indonesia in mid November. However, I am struggling to decide either to visit Jakarta or Bali.

Unfortunately, I won't manage to visit both places. I plan to stay for two weeks.

Can I ask, which place is easier to access for a first time visitor?

Any suggestions and help is highly appreciated!

[QUOTE=TakeThis;2706490]Guys,

I want to visit Indonesia in mid November. However, I am struggling to decide either to visit Jakarta or Bali.

Unfortunately, I won't manage to visit both places. I plan to stay for two weeks.

Can I ask, which place is easier to access for a first time visitor?

Any suggestions and help is highly appreciated![/QUOTE]My view. If you are coming as a tourist you will get very bored very quickly in Jakarta as there is bugger all to do apart from eat, drink, f*&k, repeat. Jakarta is fine if you are coming for work and want to have fun in the evening, but two weeks as a tourist. That would probably test even the most hardened monger. At least Bali has actual touristy things to do for a bit of a break, even if it's just to get out and walk about, and hopefully by November should be well on the way to recovering it's Mojo as far as girls go.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2706619]My view. If you are coming as a tourist you will get very bored very quickly in Jakarta as there is bugger all to do apart from eat, drink, f*&k, repeat. Jakarta is fine if you are coming for work and want to have fun in the evening, but two weeks as a tourist. That would probably test even the most hardened monger. At least Bali has actual touristy things to do for a bit of a break, even if it's just to get out and walk about, and hopefully by November should be well on the way to recovering it's Mojo as far as girls go.[/QUOTE]That is awesome advise! Never looked at it from that perspective. Thank you for that!

[QUOTE=TakeThis;2706490]Guys,

I want to visit Indonesia in mid November. However, I am struggling to decide either to visit Jakarta or Bali.

Unfortunately, I won't manage to visit both places. I plan to stay for two weeks.

Can I ask, which place is easier to access for a first time visitor?

Any suggestions and help is highly appreciated![/QUOTE]Jakarta; many more girls and locations at all price points; no real central red light district or one stop shop and insane traffic meaning you can be driving for hours per day going from one option to another; little or no English at low end places; if your presentable, many freebies / GFEs available; foreigners are still a novelty in many areas so many girls who will offer to be a tour guide plus plus.

Bali: lots of action within walking distance of the tourist areas or girls who will come to you; girls are use to newbie tourists so action is typically very professional and uninspiring; generally very little GFE; like for like, tourist prices are 50% higher for poorer service; availability of mega hot Instagram models with prices and attitudes to match; lots of places to take a favoured girl for a few days or weekend; if your presentable, don't rule out local or foreign backpacker freebies.

Many would argue that the best option is to combine the two and offer a week's holiday to a girl in Jakarta and import her into Bali. Flights are cheap, you will get much better service levels and many girls would jump at the opportunity for minimal spending money. Obviously, you need to be confident in your choice.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2706836]Jakarta; many more girls and locations at all price points; no real central red light district or one stop shop and insane traffic...

Bali: lots of action within walking distance of the tourist areas or girls who will come to you....[/QUOTE]Short, concise, and excellent writeup about those 2 cities. I personally visited Jakarta twice and I enjoyed it. Bali looks like a potential visit on my next trip to Indonesia.

[QUOTE=TakeThis;2706490]Guys,

I want to visit Indonesia in mid November. However, I am struggling to decide either to visit Jakarta or Bali.

Unfortunately, I won't manage to visit both places. I plan to stay for two weeks.

Can I ask, which place is easier to access for a first time visitor?

Any suggestions and help is highly appreciated![/QUOTE]If you do go to Bali stay at Kuta. That is where all the freelancers are. Most of them are from Java not local. Local girls almost never interested in hooking for money.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2706912]If you do go to Bali stay at Kuta. That is where all the freelancers are. Most of them are from Java not local. Local girls almost never interested in hooking for money.[/QUOTE]All true. However, IG models will only be seen in public with socially acceptable dates (think tatted up Chad's). For mere mortals, they will insist on ST incalls to their apartments, likely in Seminyak.

Enjoy. G.

Hi all,

Will be visiting Jakarta for a few days staying at milia hotel. I heard CJ bar still close? Any recommendations for short time or spa nearby? Or is Alexis hotel bathhouse still open? Thanks bro.

Guys,

Thank you all for giving me such great advise. I really appreciate that.

I have to admit, the option to stay at Jakarta and visit Bali with a local sounds highly intriguing.

I already received some offers for tour freebies, but didn't check if legit or fake yet. But sounds like it isn't uncommon.

Lets see if I can swing that.

[QUOTE=TakeThis;2707443]

I already received some offers for tour freebies, but didn't check if legit or fake yet. But sounds like it isn't uncommon.

Lets see if I can swing that.[/QUOTE]Good luck. Just be aware that the girls' promises can be very unreliable, especially so if you aren't even in town / country yet.

I've found it much more reliable to make contact when I'm there and make plans to meet today or tomorrow, not next month.

Enjoy. G.

I'll be in CGK next month, and I'm doing some research. I see a few posts about tour guide plus plus. How do you guys normally meet these "tour guides plus plus"? I do want to explore the area and the food with a local, and I'd love some cultural insights as well.

Is it tinder + bumble + OKC + Badoo? Would appreciate help here.

BBD.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2707965]

Is it tinder + bumble + OKC + Badoo? Would appreciate help here.

BBD.[/QUOTE]Yes to all of the above. Also, Indonesians are amazingly approachable. You will be surprised at what impromptu meetings will pop up if you go to a low to medium end mall and walk around with a smile and friendly attitude.

Pro tip: learning the simplest of Bahasa Indonesia greetings improves your odds 1000 x.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2707965]I'll be in CGK next month, and I'm doing some research. I see a few posts about tour guide plus plus. How do you guys normally meet these "tour guides plus plus"? I do want to explore the area and the food with a local, and I'd love some cultural insights as well.

Is it tinder + bumble + OKC + Badoo? Would appreciate help here.

BBD.[/QUOTE]I've had plenty of success with Tinder and also had WeChat on my phone, although didn't use that to meet anybody in Jakarta. With Tinder you can set up meetings beforehand, WeChat is of more a use once you get there with the discover function.

Tinder was pretty simple to use. First get Gold Level access a couple of weeks before you go and put yourself as being in Jakarta. Put in your intro what you want and the girls should come a knocking. Don't be too silly in what you put in there. I put in that I was a traveling guy, knew how to treat a lady, looking for dinner dates / company and plenty of girls start hitting you up. Never had anybody not end up back in my room. Lots of ladies out there just want some loving. Yes there are also plenty of sharks so start chatting with them and you will soon find out who the good ones are. And don't get shy to drop them if they don't seem right. Did that a few times. The effort is worth it and don't think I've been disappointed with the returns. Had one who got very possessive after a couple of repeats so bounced her. Ex-model, ex-wife of a bule, got the big house in Pondok Indah, but missed the fun around town. Did hitch up with a few gems, especially Uni Students. Yes it does take a bit of pre-work, but I found it to be worth it. Some would end up being travel companions when I visited Malaysia as KL had gone to the dogs as far as the P4 P scene goes.

WeChat is a completely different beast, if Jakarta is still the same as it was pre-Covid. You will get bombarded by greetings / contact requests. You will then have to decide who you want to connect with and then have to possibly deal with the bate and switch.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2708186]I've had plenty of success with Tinder and also had WeChat on my phone, [/QUOTE]It was a long time ago, but when I tried to install WeChat I needed to have another current user verify my new account. Is this still required? I couldn't complete the verification because I didn't know anyone else who the WeChat and, given its intended purpose, I wasn't about to start asking civilian friends.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2707992] You will be surprised at what impromptu meetings will pop up if you go to a low to medium end mall and walk around with a smile and friendly attitude.

Pro tip: learning the simplest of Bahasa Indonesia greetings improves your odds 1000 x.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]A specialty of the legendary (for older members) Bulai 69! Someone out there who knows about his recent exploits?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2708199]It was a long time ago, but when I tried to install WeChat I needed to have another current user verify my new account. Is this still required? I couldn't complete the verification because I didn't know anyone else who the WeChat and, given its intended purpose, I wasn't about to start asking civilian friends.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]G, I had heard about this issue, don't know if it is still the same. I had tried to get one of my Uni friends to load it up as I was having issues chatting with them, WeChat seems to be good at working over dodgy internet connections, were other apps would fail to connect! She wasn; t able to load it up for the same reason, that was pre-Covid, probably about 4 years ago. I used to travel a lot in China and WeChat is the go to app there, even as a money app similar to Google pay. Can't remember if they had that set up requirement then.

My [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] Experience in Jakarta

Gents,

Just came back from a long trip to Jakarta. I must say, I miss the energy of Jakarta. And the women are quite stunning. My experience on Seeking (SA) was mostly positive. I ended up meeting 4 girls on the site that charged between $125-$200 USD ppm for incredible GFE adventures. They all came over to my place. One of them was a doctor who came over for a weekend for free, other a MILFy former TV host who I ended up dating (no ppm!) for a few weeks. And thankfully everyone looked like their photos. Maybe slightly better in person English was never a problem.

That said, there were a fair number of VERY expensive women. Many were asking for $400-$1500 USD per visit. Crazy. Models, former beauty pageants, Russian IGers. And any of the girls with bigger boobs seemed to charge more. And the SA in Bali is horrible. Lot of narcist influencer wannabes that charge much.

I come to learn that many local men have mistresses. Politicians, businessmen, generals. These guys have crazy rich Asian money, and are happy to throw $000's USD to these girls. So not as cheap as I thought it would be. Maybe Tinder is cheaper.

While others have mentioned Tinder. I liked that on SA no one flaked on me, no catfishing and the photos were real. Tinder seems like it might take a bit of work. But there is not so much inventory on SA. Start to see the same girls after a few weeks.

BTW. One of my dates told me that some men on Seeking get attached and then abusive with the women when they try to break up. Another one told me about a "forced" situation. I know everyone on this forum is respectful, but its a good reminder for all of us to treat these ladies with respect.

Stay safe,

U1.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2708199]It was a long time ago, but when I tried to install WeChat I needed to have another current user verify my new account. Is this still required? I couldn't complete the verification because I didn't know anyone else who the WeChat and, given its intended purpose, I wasn't about to start asking civilian friends.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Tried to set it up a couple of years ago and I gave up on it for the same reason.

[QUOTE=United1;2708396]My [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] Experience in Jakarta

Gents,

Just came back from a long trip to Jakarta. I must say, I miss the energy of Jakarta. And the women are quite stunning. My experience on Seeking (SA) was mostly positive. I ended up meeting 4 girls on the site that charged between $125-$200 USD ppm for incredible GFE adventures. They all came over to my place. One of them was a doctor who came over for a weekend for free, other a MILFy former TV host who I ended up dating (no ppm!) for a few weeks. And thankfully everyone looked like their photos. Maybe slightly better in person English was never a problem.

That said, there were a fair number of VERY expensive women. Many were asking for $400-$1500 USD per visit. Crazy. Models, former beauty pageants, Russian IGers. And any of the girls with bigger boobs seemed to charge more. And the SA in Bali is horrible. Lot of narcist influencer wannabes that charge much.

I come to learn that many local men have mistresses. Politicians, businessmen, generals. These guys have crazy rich Asian money, and are happy to throw $000's USD to these girls. So not as cheap as I thought it would be. Maybe Tinder is cheaper.

While others have mentioned Tinder. I liked that on SA no one flaked on me, no catfishing and the photos were real. Tinder seems like it might take a bit of work. But there is not so much inventory on SA. Start to see the same girls after a few weeks.

BTW. One of my dates told me that some men on Seeking get attached and then abusive with the women when they try to break up. Another one told me about a "forced" situation. I know everyone on this forum is respectful, but its a good reminder for all of us to treat these ladies with respect.

Stay safe,

U1.[/QUOTE]Nice reporting. Glad to see that you have enjoyed the SA girls in Jakarta. Jakarta really offers a wide variety if you know where to look.

Yeah, Seeking does provide a whole new venue and access to all these different girls at a whole new level. I wish I had knows about it when I was last there before the pandemic. You are right on point about the wealthy locals showering $$$ on these highly desirable girls and keeping them hidden as mistresses. A few of my Indo friends had done so themselves. I really miss these Indo girls.

26 why / o going to be in Jakarta from 6/19-21. Got a spot in north Jakarta, first time traveling alone! Just had a week in bali and going to monger a bit in Jakarta after a loong long roadtrip thru east java. Anyone free to link, eat, monger? Eatings better with company 😂.

Have done some good research on twitter as well as having a lot of places saved in google maps to window shop!

Am a new user on ISG but am a normal user or USASG LA / OC / SD forums!

[QUOTE=Zanny;2705274]I was in that alley, I mentioned it in my trip report. That trip report lives in a certain forum about Pattaya (where I type this from now) in the "rest of the world" area. Don't think I'd be allowed to post the link here, so you have to do some digging. I extensively report on Jakarta from my trip last week.

Regarding the alley, only one place looked open, at 11 am, Royal Mas, from Google Street View: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@-6.1505794[/URL], 106.8175296,3 a,61.1 y,113.91 h,79.22 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 sXaaUbulfyV1 V_qXFlBVs5 A!2 e0!7 i16384!8 i8192.

Nothing else looked open, the alley was quite dead, I felt like a big target in this small alley, and I felt it better to bounce. So I went down the road to Kimochi Mabes.

Happy to see my Jakarta Monger's map is popular with the fellas on this forum. It only had a small amount of views, now it's in the threads of distinction, well over 3000 views: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&ll=-6.146481575251801%2C106.81144570000001&z=14[/URL].[/QUOTE]Hello Zanny. Found your name on google search to certain forum but could not locate your Jakarta report in said forum. Perhaps a somewhat less cryptic steer might be in offing?

[QUOTE=Jimnpou1;2709436]Hello Zanny. Found your name on google search to certain forum but could not locate your Jakarta report in said forum. Perhaps a somewhat less cryptic steer might be in offing?[/QUOTE]I also struggled to find the report, I'll be Jakarta next week so I'll try to find the place.

Many thanks to zanny for the map this will be my first visit to jak.

But while you've mentioned steers you've posted 3 questions since 2016, all about Jakarta. Do you have anything to add to this Forum?

First day in Jakarta, stayed in the north area where most stuff seems concentrated.

Berlian / Kartika. Closed. Whole alley closed, one streetwalker.

Orchardz. Both locations closed.

Hotel Travel. Packed w like 40-50 girls, most young probably 20-28. ID rate them mostly 4-6. 5's. Great price 375 k /1 500 k /2. Mamasans hella pushy kept bringing girls in front of me. I left but will come back to peruse-- such a huge selection.

Vfour. Maybe 10 girls roughly 4-7. All seemed uninterested, I left.

390 k /1.

Starmoon bar. Maybe 15 girls. 4-5's. I forgot the price or I didn't ask cause I wasn't interested.

New sariayu club. Maybe like 40 girls packed into a 20 x 20 space, stupid organization. Ages prob 18-30. From 4-7.5. Higher ratio of cute girls. This was my last stop and I got a girl named cherry, 22 from Jakarta. English was horrible, didn't seem very interested, but after warming up was def a good fuck. Paid 400 + 100 tip. I'll go back but the mamasan knew no English and the setup is so dumb, hard to check out the girls.

Hope this is good current intel! If anyone's around I'm here for 4 more nights mongering this ***** solo haha.

[QUOTE=BitBang;2709717]First day in Jakarta, stayed in the north area where most stuff seems concentrated.

Starmoon bar. Maybe 15 girls. 4-5's. I forgot the price or I didn't ask cause I wasn't interested.

New sariayu club. Maybe like 40 girls packed into a 20 x 20 space, stupid organization. Ages prob 18-30. From 4-7.5. Higher ratio of cute girls. This was my last stop and I got a girl named cherry, 22 from Jakarta. English was horrible, didn't seem very interested, but after warming up was def a good fuck. Paid 400 + 100 tip. I'll go back but the mamasan knew no English and the setup is so dumb, hard to check out the girls.

Hope this is good current intel! If anyone's around I'm here for 4 more nights mongering this ***** solo haha.[/QUOTE]Is LA or Royal open?

They did have some nice ones also pre-covid.

Thanks for the up date as I will be there late July.

[QUOTE=BitBang;2709717]

New sariayu club. Maybe like 40 girls packed into a 20 x 20 space, stupid organization. Ages prob 18-30. From 4-7.5. Higher ratio of cute girls. This was my last stop and I got a girl named Cherry, 22 from Jakarta. English was horrible, didn't seem very interested, but after warming up was def a good fuck. Paid 400 + 100 tip. I'll go back but the mamasan knew no English and the setup is so dumb, hard to check out the girls.[/QUOTE]Unless the setup has changed post COVID, it's pretty straightforward to grasp after 1 or 2 visits. Rather than visiting the fishbowl in the back right corner, a more relaxing approach is to sit at the bar or a side table, sip on a beer and allow the mamasan to bring the girls to you. If you find one you like, sit and chat for a while. When you're ready, ask her "mau naik?" To which she will gladly lead you (and your unfinished beer) to the cashier at the back left. The cashier will charge for the session with the girl and any beverages.

Your girl then leads you (and your beer) upstairs. At the top of the stairs, the guy at the desk will lead you to the room and might occasionally try to sell you an overpriced condom. If he does and you bring your own, just tell him "udah punya" and you're good to go. As all bills are now paid, once the session ends you can walk down the stairs and out the door.

I'll be in Jakarta next month. I may or may not go to this place, but definitely appreciate your tips for using bahasa Indonesia.

You wrote udah punya, is that a informal version of sudah? Any more tips would be very welcome.

BTW, saya minum kopi hitam setiap hari!

Please provide more updates.

I have 1 day in Jakarta in August -.

Maybe classic, malio, other higher end KTV's don't know.

[QUOTE=BitBang;2709717]First day in Jakarta, stayed in the north area where most stuff seems concentrated.

Berlian / Kartika. Closed. Whole alley closed, one streetwalker.

Orchardz. Both locations closed.

Hotel Travel. Packed w like 40-50 girls, most young probably 20-28. ID rate them mostly 4-6. 5's. Great price 375 k /1 500 k /2. Mamasans hella pushy kept bringing girls in front of me. I left but will come back to peruse-- such a huge selection.

Vfour. Maybe 10 girls roughly 4-7. All seemed uninterested, I left.

390 k /1.

Starmoon bar. Maybe 15 girls. 4-5's. I forgot the price or I didn't ask cause I wasn't interested.

New sariayu club. Maybe like 40 girls packed into a 20 x 20 space, stupid organization. Ages prob 18-30. From 4-7.5. Higher ratio of cute girls. This was my last stop and I got a girl named cherry, 22 from Jakarta. English was horrible, didn't seem very interested, but after warming up was def a good fuck. Paid 400 + 100 tip. I'll go back but the mamasan knew no English and the setup is so dumb, hard to check out the girls.

Hope this is good current intel! If anyone's around I'm here for 4 more nights mongering this ***** solo haha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2710401]I'll be in Jakarta next month. I may or may not go to this place, but definitely appreciate your tips for using bahasa Indonesia.

You wrote udah punya, is that a informal version of sudah? Any more tips would be very welcome.

BTW, saya minum kopi hitam setiap hari![/QUOTE]The best and easiest tip for learning Bahasa is to grab a kamus hidup and go touring the city. If you insist that she doesn't speak a word of English, then you will be amazed at how easily you pick it up. It's an introduced language so designed to be easily learnt and understood. Especially so the basics.

P.S. Yes, the s is often dropped in everyday language: Sudah, Saja become uda, aja etc.

Enjoy. G.

Yes, udah is used more frequently in conversation than sudah.

A few language tips below when in these types of venues.

When seated at the bar or table and the mamasan approaches, a few phrases to let her know the type of women you'd like.

Aku cari cewek yang (I'm looking for a girl who).

Ada toket gede (has big tits).

Ada pantat besar (has a big arse).

Toge pasar (slang for big tits and arse. It will likely get a laugh).

Kurus (skinny).

Gendut (fat).

Sedikit gendut (a little bit fat).

If one takes your fancy and you get to chatting but you realize it's not to your satisfaction, you could say something like.

Maaf, tapi aku mau cari yang lain (Sorry, but I want to look for someone else).

Kamu manis, tapi kita ga cocok (you're sweet, but we're not a good match).

The girl will then let the mamasan know who will bring you someone else.

Those are just a few phrases to hit the ground running.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2710401]I'll be in Jakarta next month. I may or may not go to this place, but definitely appreciate your tips for using bahasa Indonesia.

You wrote udah punya, is that a informal version of sudah? Any more tips would be very welcome.

BTW, saya minum kopi hitam setiap hari![/QUOTE]

OK, I have some upcoming work in Australia in 2 months. But first, I want to detour and spend some more time with my little Indo birdwatcher (her pic is in photo gallery). I am going to do the IDR500 K VOA (visa on arrival) at CGK, when I arrive, later this week. But, it says I have to show proof of onward ticket. I don't have one yet, as I am still finalizing details with my Aussie client. Do they really check for onward ticket before issuing the visa?

MadVic.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2711297]OK, I have some upcoming work in Australia in 2 months. But first, I want to detour and spend some more time with my little Indo birdwatcher (her pic is in photo gallery). I am going to do the IDR500 K VOA (visa on arrival) at CGK, when I arrive, later this week. But, it says I have to show proof of onward ticket. I don't have one yet, as I am still finalizing details with my Aussie client. Do they really check for onward ticket before issuing the visa?

MadVic.[/QUOTE]This might depend on the person processing your visa at the VOA Counter. I have visited Indonesia twice this year and the first time there was a middle aged guy who asked me how long I was planning to stay. The second time there was a young guy at the counter and I was asked to show my insurance, proof of accommodation for the whole stay as well as my retutn ticket. It might make sense to book a temporary throw away return ticket to some nearby country (Thailand would be a good choice) and keep it with you, just in case.

[QUOTE=OldFogey;2711460]This might depend on the person processing your visa at the VOA Counter. I have visited Indonesia twice this year and the first time there was a middle aged guy who asked me how long I was planning to stay. The second time there was a young guy at the counter and I was asked to show my insurance, proof of accommodation for the whole stay as well as my retutn ticket. It might make sense to book a temporary throw away return ticket to some nearby country (Thailand would be a good choice) and keep it with you, just in case.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I hate the crap shoot.

When I went there, back with the mandatory in-hotel quarantine, 5 months ago, it said I needed $XXXK (I forget value amount) of medical insurance. I went and paid for it. That was the only thing I was never asked to show upon arrival.

I am thinking no-one has ever asked to see proof of onward flight. But, if I get some young guy, he just might.

I was already pricing a cheap one-way flight to Singapore (closer than Thailand). About $82.

Thanks again.

MadVic.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2711500]Thanks, I hate the crap shoot.

When I went there, back with the mandatory in-hotel quarantine, 5 months ago, it said I needed $XXXK (I forget value amount) of medical insurance. I went and paid for it. That was the only thing I was never asked to show upon arrival.

I am thinking no-one has ever asked to see proof of onward flight. But, if I get some young guy, he just might.

I was already pricing a cheap one-way flight to Singapore (closer than Thailand). About $82.

Thanks again.

MadVic.[/QUOTE]An old ticket and free online PDF editor is much cheaper.

To be clear, this not a recommendation nor condonation, but simply an idle observation of two unrelated monetary values.

I've only been to Jakarta once before in 2018 and I had a great time at classic hotel. There must have been at least 100 women and so many 9 and 10's. Got lucky and picked a looker who was an absolute performer. I'm back in Jakarta in a couple days. Is classic up and running? What time do the girls start filling up?

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2711519]An old ticket and free online PDF editor is much cheaper.

To be clear, this not a recommendation nor condonation, but simply an idle observation of two unrelated monetary values.[/QUOTE]Oooooooo. I did not think of that! You sneaky bastard!! I love it, thanks!

MadVic.

[QUOTE=DavidClarke;2711653]I've only been to Jakarta once before in 2018 and I had a great time at classic hotel. There must have been at least 100 women and so many 9 and 10's. Got lucky and picked a looker who was an absolute performer. I'm back in Jakarta in a couple days. Is classic up and running? What time do the girls start filling up?[/QUOTE]Yes, from abut 4 pm onwards.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2711500]Thanks, I hate the crap shoot.

When I went there, back with the mandatory in-hotel quarantine, 5 months ago, it said I needed $XXXK (I forget value amount) of medical insurance. I went and paid for it. That was the only thing I was never asked to show upon arrival.

I am thinking no-one has ever asked to see proof of onward flight. But, if I get some young guy, he just might.

I was already pricing a cheap one-way flight to Singapore (closer than Thailand). About $82.

Thanks again.

MadVic.[/QUOTE]Book a flight that can be canceled with no cost, and cancel it once you have the e-ticket.

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2711519]An old ticket and free online PDF editor is much cheaper.

To be clear, this not a recommendation nor condonation, but simply an idle observation of two unrelated monetary values.[/QUOTE]Ok, update.

Thanks to your suggestion, I generated a credible looking itinerary. Very easy to do.

And good thing too. It was not in Jakarta, but at my starting point in the US. The airline wanted to see the onward ticket, proof of vax and covid test (required for all transit passengers going through Taipei.

Now, in Jakarta, the VOA is cash only. But, there is ATM right across. I thought it was just going to be some bureaucrat stamping the visa. But he was asking purpose of my visit, etc. Turns out this is the immigration officer too. There is a bypass route, for VOA holders, at immigration.

All in all, relatively easy and no big delays. I am enjoying my little birdwatcher again. She has such incredible talents and a figure I can't get enough of.

MadVic.

You think the ladies we associate with follow the news from Ukraine, or are up to date on the finer points of the supply-side snarl-up in the global economy, or the effect of monetary loosening by governments worldwide during the pandemic? I doubt it, but one thing they have noticed, like the rest of us, is that the price of everything seems to have gone up quite a bit lately and they are adding to the inflationary spiral in their own ways.

Last year I pointed out to a regular on this forum that I could hook up with decent semi-pros in Jakarta on Tinder for as low as 500 k per session (S / T), I wasn't believed but it was a fact.

It is no longer a fact.

To clarify, what I was getting for 500 k was not a supermodel or sinetron artist. I was getting a housewife, usually a single mom in her late 20's looking to make a bit of household cash on the side. They would look fine (I would always ask for pics) but I knew that the bodies wouldn't be the greatest but the service would be superb and they'd do as an inexpensive aperatif in the afternoon before the main event of the evening. The main event would generally be a younger girl, single, no babies, working in an office in South Jakarta, happy to meet up in the evening to earn some freelance income with a nice bule guy before heading home to her kos for the night, they cost me 700 k, often I'd throw a bit extra for ongkos if the performance was good.

I was off Tinder for a while (damn their photo verification) but restarted the other week, sure enough I wasn't long finding the semi-pros looking for "benefits". But Sheesh! They were sticking at 1 juta, no budging. Eventually I did get one to agree 700 k, and we made the date, she arrived and it quickly dawned on me I had a former 500 k on my hands, no worries, it wasn't the end of the world.

But then I remembered an old contact from last year, a hot part-time model who had asked for 1 juta back then but who I had passed up at the time. If 1 juta was the going rate now she'd be worth a punt, no dice, you guessed it, she wanted 2 juta now.

So there you have it gentlemen, inflation has seeped its way into our hobby, I am sure no Amalgamated Trades Council of the Semi-Pros took place where they agreed on their new pricing norms, it just happened that way. The great economist Adam Smith described it as the "Invisible Hand" of the market, and it works.

No, they aren't dropping their prices to meet their desperate need for cash in these straitened economic times, that's what you or I might do. No these girls do what they always do, they set their budget on how much they need rather than how much they could actually get and would rather earn nothing than take less than what they think they deserve (which isn't such a bad human trait, I suppose).

I think we may stick to the wholesalers these days rather than buying retail. Classic and Travel is where you bargain hunt now, if you are price sensitive in your habits.

Until they put their prices up too.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2714085]
But then I remembered an old contact from last year, a hot part-time model who had asked for 1 juta back then but who I had passed up at the time. If 1 juta was the going rate now she'd be worth a punt, no dice, you guessed it, she wanted 2 juta now.

[/QUOTE]Pre-covid, prices for ST at 1 to 1. 5 juta, LT for 2 juta are relatively common for those freelancers you can pick up at the better bars like CJ. I don't think one can get those prices anymore. Jakarta has become expensive for mongering with the type of girls that I want. Girls of SA in Jakarta are already quoting me 4 juta for ST nowadays. They are definitely out of control.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2714122]Pre-covid, prices for ST at 1 to 1. 5 juta, LT for 2 juta are relatively common for those freelancers you can pick up at the better bars like CJ. I don't think one can get those prices anymore. Jakarta has become expensive for mongering with the type of girls that I want. Girls of SA in Jakarta are already quoting me 4 juta for ST nowadays. They are definitely out of control.[/QUOTE]I was getting on well with one lady, usual story, divorced mother of two, 28, living in South Jakarta, looked great in her photos. She seemed like an average desperate housewife, my usual choice of afternoon aperatif. I asked her where she liked to hang out, she answered "EP and Basque", that pretty much ended that conversation, I knew straight away that if I pursued it she's be quoting nothing less than 2 juta.

That's why I prefer to stick to the nice girls who live in unfashionable neighbourhoods in West and East Jakarta, and whose English isn't very good, you can talk sense to them about the monetary value of their affections.

Can anyone tell if BATs is a good joint these days (post covid).

Also how is Basque bar de tapas for pick up?

I've been traveling to SE Asia since 2003 - mostly the Philippines. As well as 2 trips to Thailand (03 & 05) and I worked in Indonesia for most of 2014.

I booked a flight to Jakarta for 3 weeks in January 2023.

I am considering a week-long side trip to either the Phils or Thailand but can't seem to make up my mind. The landscape of mongering has changed over time, especially with the impact of Covid. For me, it's all about mongering.

Can those with more experience in both of those countries collectively offer some intelligent advice?

Thanks in advance.

SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2715346]

Also how is Basque bar de tapas for pick up?[/QUOTE]It might be easier only if you are a bule and looks like Tom Cruise. It is a fancy restaurant with a small area for dancing. However, this place is not like BATS OR CJs.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2715440]...I am considering a week-long side trip to either the Phils or Thailand but can't seem to make up my mind. The landscape of mongering has changed over time, especially with the impact of Covid. For me, it's all about mongering.

Can those with more experience in both of those countries collectively offer some intelligent advice?

Thanks in advance.

SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]I have been to both countries many times. The one clear advantage of the Phils is that the girls speak English really well for the most part. That can make a huge difference in the GFE part of the session.

However, Thai girls have something to offer as well. Their GFE appears natural, and much less transactional. As a result, I am sold on the land of smiles.

I have to disagree with some of Lefeu's talking points on this, although I end up in the same place as he ie that LOS is better than the PI. But first, I have to set the record straight. IMHO, Pinays give the best GFE on the planet. Their passion and warmth are real and it seems very natural to me. Thai girls, on the other hand, are much more aloof and reserved. Sometimes it is even hard to tell how they feel about you because they tend to keep their real feelings under wraps. Also bareback is much more common in the PI than it is in LOS. I don't know if that is a positive for some punters or not. It is just a fact although it is a plus in Filipina column as far as I am concerned.

So why do I prefer Thailand over the PI? Two main reasons:

#1. Pattaya has a lot more to offer than AC & BKK has a lot more to offer than MNL. More girls, more bars, more Go Go's, more nightclubs, more SW's, more massage parlors, more everything. AND the food is so much better!

#2. IMHO Thai girls, on average, are better looking than Pinays. This is a subjective opinion of course and it does not negate that fact that I have shagged many really pretty and gorgeous even Pinay girls, but on average, I think Thai girls look sexier.

So, my final recommendation is do both countries if at all possible. LOS and the PI are very different, but each has a lot to offer. I like them both. But I have not been to SE Asia since June 2019. My April 2020 flight to BKK was cancelled thanks to Covid and my October 2020 Asian trip never got past the planning stages. Then I gave up on locked down SE Asia and discovered Brazil in April 2021 and I have been hooked on Samba ever since. But I will fly back to LOS sooner or later, probably later. LOL. And when I do it will be a doozy of a trip. It will take 2. 5 months and I will revisit LOS, Phnom Penh, Jakarta, the PI, and maybe Macau if I hear the saunas are back up and running good. In the meantime I met a sexy girl next door type in SP in October 2021, spent a lot of nights with her in April / May 2022, and I think I am in love. 555/ KKK.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2715456]It might be easier only if you are a bule and looks like Tom Cruise. It is a fancy restaurant with a small area for dancing. However, this place is not like BATS OR CJs.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Went there last night. I know what you mean now.

Also just wanted to check that I've been bombarded with messages like "you want massage mr" etc on my WeChat from girls. And they shared some pretty pictures. Is there a pro tip to guess if the pics / girls are genuine? I did reverse image search and also told the girls I would reject if they arrive and don't match the picture. But is there anything I can do to avoid disappointment? I mean it's a waste of time even if she shows up and I reject her.

At the very least some of these WeChat accounts have a very similar way of communicating and hence may be run by a agent. Don't mind as long as the pics are real and the service is good. I wanted to try the pickup route first given what you see is what you get, but didn't really work out, as the girls I liked were with someone already and those who approached me I didn't like them except 1 who quoted 5 juta for the night.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2715486]

However, Thai girls have something to offer as well. Their GFE appears natural, and much less transactional. As a result, I am sold on the land of smiles.[/QUOTE]THANKS FOR THE ADVICE.

Another huge advantage for me in the Phils is my ability to rent a car and drive to Angeles. I know the Phils geography much better than Thailand (only been twice over 17 years ago).

Can you give more detail why you choose Thailand? Feel free to PM. Yours is full.

Thanks, Bob.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2715534]Thanks. Went there last night. I know what you mean now.

Also just wanted to check that I've been bombarded with messages like "you want massage mr" etc on my WeChat from girls. And they shared some pretty pictures. Is there a pro tip to guess if the pics / girls are genuine? I did reverse image search and also told the girls I would reject if they arrive and don't match the picture. But is there anything I can do to avoid disappointment? I mean it's a waste of time even if she shows up and I reject her.

At the very least some of these WeChat accounts have a very similar way of communicating and hence may be run by a agent. Don't mind as long as the pics are real and the service is good. I wanted to try the pickup route first given what you see is what you get, but didn't really work out, as the girls I liked were with someone already and those who approached me I didn't like them except 1 who quoted 5 juta for the night.[/QUOTE]I will never use WeChat personally. I don't need Xi and his CCP party goons collect and spy over my communication and other personal details. He and his party can go F#CK themselves.

There are many other options that you can leverage, like Telegram, WhatsApp, Line and even Twitter. Beware of scams too and never pay anything in advance. Your best defense against catfish is to meet outside in coffee shop. If you don't see what's advertised, you can simply walk away.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2715548]I will never use WeChat personally. I don't need Xi and his CCP party goons collect and spy over my communication and other personal details. He and his party can go F#CK themselves.

There are many other options that you can leverage, like Telegram, WhatsApp, Line and even Twitter. Beware of scams too and never pay anything in advance. Your best defense against catfish is to meet outside in coffee shop. If you don't see what's advertised, you can simply walk away.[/QUOTE]Thanks. But WeChat only seems to have a feature where you can get a list of people nearby. Unfortunately I'm clueless how to do the same on Telegram / Twitter?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2715548]I will never use WeChat personally. I don't need Xi and his CCP party goons collect and spy over my communication and other personal details. He and his party can go F#CK themselves.

There are many other options that you can leverage, like Telegram, WhatsApp, Line and even Twitter. Beware of scams too and never pay anything in advance. Your best defense against catfish is to meet outside in coffee shop. If you don't see what's advertised, you can simply walk away.[/QUOTE]And once they are in your fone, they can go everywhere else!!

I have been to both places many times since 1990, but I think I'm done with the Philippines for a while. Yes there is more English and its easier to get around and yes the girls are probably more loving, but the deal-breaker for me is MILFs. Thats about all you find in AC and Manila. I remember my last trip to AC sitting the bar asking one of girls, which of the 35-40 visable girls, were not MILFs. The answer was 3, and all 3 of them were fat and chunky. When I monger, I'm not interested in older baby-damaged bodies and I'll put up with less GFE in order to have a sweet young spinner or a fresh-off-the-boat village girl. I think the Philippines norm is that the Catholics have too many kids and many mothers eventually feel they got to go to work to feed their kids. Whereas Thailand has a lot more young single girls trying to save some money for their future and send some money home to their parent’s village.

Of course that's a generalization and beautiful young single spinners can be found in Manila and there are plenty of hardcore MILFs working in Thailand, but the averages are much higher percentage of MILFs in Philippines.

So your answer lies in what type of women you are seeking.

Oh, and the food. There's no comparison, there's a reason why every city in Western Europe has multiple Thai restaurants but close to zero Filipina joints.

Tell us what you decide and looking forward to your trip reports and comparisons.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2715440]I am considering a week-long side trip to either the Phils or Thailand but can't seem to make up my mind. The landscape of mongering has changed over time, especially with the impact of Covid. For me, it's all about mongering.

Can those with more experience in both of those countries collectively offer some intelligent advice?

SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]

I've always thought this little guide was more right than wrong. (NB-by "posing" I think the creator means posing for photos).

[QUOTE=DavidClarke;2711653]I've only been to Jakarta once before in 2018 and I had a great time at classic hotel. There must have been at least 100 women and so many 9 and 10's. Got lucky and picked a looker who was an absolute performer. I'm back in Jakarta in a couple days. Is classic up and running? What time do the girls start filling up?[/QUOTE]I think you already know the condition of classic now.

Back from there May this year. Still many women. Looks so so. Service attitude deteriorates even with tips informed in advance.

Inflationary era. Can't do much about it.

[QUOTE=BitBang;2709717]First day in Jakarta, stayed in the north area where most stuff seems concentrated.

Berlian / Kartika. Closed. Whole alley closed, one streetwalker.

Orchardz. Both locations closed.

Hotel Travel. Packed w like 40-50 girls, most young probably 20-28. ID rate them mostly 4-6. 5's. Great price 375 k /1 500 k /2. Mamasans hella pushy kept bringing girls in front of me. I left but will come back to peruse-- such a huge selection.

Vfour. Maybe 10 girls roughly 4-7. All seemed uninterested, I left.

390 k /1.

Starmoon bar. Maybe 15 girls. 4-5's. I forgot the price or I didn't ask cause I wasn't interested.

New sariayu club. Maybe like 40 girls packed into a 20 x 20 space, stupid organization. Ages prob 18-30. From 4-7.5. Higher ratio of cute girls. This was my last stop and I got a girl named cherry, 22 from Jakarta. English was horrible, didn't seem very interested, but after warming up was def a good fuck. Paid 400 + 100 tip. I'll go back but the mamasan knew no English and the setup is so dumb, hard to check out the girls.

Hope this is good current intel! If anyone's around I'm here for 4 more nights mongering this ***** solo haha.[/QUOTE]11 years ago, hotel travel was so good. 8 years ago, it already went down. Girls are more and more pushy, with a bad attitude. I really miss the era when stadium still exists.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2715750]And once they are in your fone, they can go everywhere else!![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2022/07/04/tiktok-confirms-employees-in-china-can-access-american-user-data/[/URL]

Didi is bad as well.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2708221]A specialty of the legendary (for older members) Bulai 69! Someone out there who knows about his recent exploits?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2467804]Great story, and it brings back so many things that are no longer with us.

AFF, gone.

Bulai69, gone.

Picking up women on the Busway, gone.

Having a nice drink in Chili's, gone.

Menteng, oh wait, he's still around.[/QUOTE]Menteng's post is fairly recent and pertains to cruising around the lower-end malls and smiling at the girls, which Bulai69 had great success with. His favorite mall was east of Hotel Borobodur (can't remember the mall's name. Atrium?

Hilo77's post (#15405) is from July 18,2020 and mentions that Bulai69 is gone. I'm not sure if he's referring to the fact that Bulai69 has not posted in several years or that he had heard that Bulai69 had passed away. I hope not! I do know that Bulai69 had been experiencing some health issues.

Bulai69 and Menteng were both mentors to me when I first hit the Jakarta mongering scene back in 2004/2005 and I'm still grateful for their assistance. Besides being known for mall cruising, Bulai69 was also well-known for saying that he would only choose girls who were less than half his age and half his weight. Luckily, that's not hard to do in Jakarta.

P.S. Bulai69's last post here on ISG was in October 2011. The last mention of his still being around was a post by KL Guy (another mentor of mine) on September 25, 2018, mentioning that he had heard that Bulai69 was still traveling to Jakarta regularly.

[QUOTE=Zanny;2711788]Some people mentioned they can't find my trip report. So now it's in the sub-title in the Map:

Zanny's Jakarta Day Spa, Nightlife, and Tourist Map:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&usp=sharing[/URL]

I have updated Orchadz and New Sariayu listings with Bitbang's field notes. If I do go back in August to Jakarta, I'll be adding more to the map so it's a work in progress.

I've fixed the icons for the food places, the basic blue pointers was triggering my OCD.

If anyone has info on cheap Spa places in Jakarta where you can actually see the girls first, instead of photos or swiping on an iPad, that's what I'm keen on. I like the spa environment and service level rather than a fishbowl club.[/QUOTE]Hi Zanny, a belated thanks for your informative map and trip report.

I was sorry to read that Kartika and Berlian spas were totally dead and Royal Mas barely hanging on. Kartika was my go-to place during the time I actively mongered in Jakarta (2004-2009) with the other two places as back-ups. When I was last in Jakarta (March 2018), all 3 places were still active and busy and I would have recommended all 3 places as answers to your request for "cheap spa places where you can actually see the girls first. " I'd also recommend the bars at PangJay.

In response to a different discussion, I've always had the impression that the girls at Kartika / Berlian / Royal Mas worked there willingly. Two examples: when I visited Kartika in March 2018, I noticed that the red-haired Chinese woman named Sonia was still working there, the same Sonia with whom I had had several sessions during 2005-2008, beginning with a famous two-girl session with Cynthia/Sintia in February 2005. She instantly recognized me by name even though I had last visited Kartika in 2009 and seemed happy to see me.

Second story. In the spring of 2007, the mamasan at Royal Mas introduced me to a young cutie named Nonie who supposedly had just turned 18 and just arrived from Indramayu. I liked Nonie so much that I immediately became a regular, seeing her at least twice a month for almost a year. I especially remember one session where, after we had finished and were just cuddling, she received a call on her cell phone from her father. It was a bit weird to watch her sit totally naked and have the usual father-daughter conversation where she assured her father that everything was ok. Afterward, I asked Nonie if her father knew what she was up to and she replied, no he thinks I'm working at a shop in Lokasari Plaza.

After banging Nonie for a year, I invited her to travel to Bali for a weekend trip and she accepted. I stopped by a couple of days later to firm up the travel dates only to find Nonie walking out Royal Mas dressed in normal Javanese-girl street clothes (jeans and a black top) with a suitcase in her hand. She told me that she was traveling back home to get married in an arranged marriage and said goodbye. Never saw her again, but whoever married her got to enjoy some great sex!

Hi,

Second trip to Jakarta next month and preparing my games with tinder.

Price without negociation starts at 1 m7. Insane.

One month ago had a good performer found in shangri la lobby in surabaya for 500 k.

I share my experiences with tinder.

Anyone have any information on what the tightening means for clubs like malioboro? Restaurants and shopping centers must close at 9:00 pm. I assume clubs also? Anyone on the ground with an update?

I also was told that the Peduli app now requires proof of booster? Any truth in that?

I'm considering a trip in August.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2716888]Anyone have any information on what the tightening means for clubs like malioboro? Restaurants and shopping centers must close at 9:00 pm. I assume clubs also? Anyone on the ground with an update?

I also was told that the Peduli app now requires proof of booster? Any truth in that?

I'm considering a trip in August.[/QUOTE]The tightening was cancelled today.

Yes, malls and places like Malio want to see proof of jab but I use a photoshopped one and had no issues. They only glance at it from far and don't even bother looking at the name.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2716195][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2022/07/04/tiktok-confirms-employees-in-china-can-access-american-user-data/[/URL]

Didi is bad as well.[/QUOTE][URL]https://stormer-daily.rw/fcc-demands-tiktok-be-banned-for-stealing-peoples-data/[/URL]

Hi,

A question for the experts: when a girl agrees for an incall in my room but says she need benefit or help or taxi money. What is your advice about the amount to give?

I mean for a non pro or maybe semi pro met on tinder.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Trident3;2718919]Hi,

A question for the experts: when a girl agrees for an incall in my room but says she need benefit or help or taxi money. What is your advice about the amount to give?

I mean for a non pro or maybe semi pro met on tinder.

Thank you![/QUOTE]Ask her, she's already broached the subject of money so it's on you now, no need to be shy or polite.

"Sure, no problem, you need some financial help, how much were you thinking of? ". Negotiate from there, "Wow, that's a bit more than I was thinking of / usually pay for taxi, how about Rp XX? ".

Like I say, no need to be shy or embarrassed about negotiating. If she's already fronting up a request for money you can scratch "non pro" off the list, no matter what she might claim. You aren't the first guy she has asked money from for sex, trust me.

[QUOTE=Trident3;2718919]Hi,

A question for the experts: when a girl agrees for an incall in my room but says she need benefit or help or taxi money. What is your advice about the amount to give?

I mean for a non pro or maybe semi pro met on tinder.

Thank you![/QUOTE]I'm struggling to reconcile your two comments.

There are broke good girls who simply do not have the money to travel across town to see you. But they are going to want to meet you for a coffee or KFC, not turn up at your hotel for immediate fun.

If she has agreed to come to your hotel knowing it's an incall, then she's a working girl plain and simple. No need to sugar coat it. She will have her intended price and you will have your intended payment for service delivered.

Call it what you will (taxi money, help, college fees, late rent, what ever) but an ojek is 10,000 up and an overnight hooker is 1,000,000 up.

Good luck. G.

Well I have just returned from Jakarta after 3 year absence. Usually I go for business but this was a family trip. So not really any chance to play the game. I only met my long term mistress (nothing to do with bondage. Just means woman other than wife. Haha) a couple of times in a hotel while at "work". Used the Century Harris at Senayan for a very reasonable Rp800 k per day. Older but still serviceable room.

I normally got my Cialis from a little bright yellow stand near Ciputra World Mall on Jl Satrio or from a shop on the bridge connecting the ITC to the Mal Ambassador nearby. However time has marched on and both these places have disappeared over the last three years it seems. Covid has obviously been harsh for "retailers". So I am at a bit of a loss. I did see that you can order Cialis delivered using the online platform Shoppe. Cost appeared to be around Rp100 k. So was wondering if any local residents had used this for buying Cialis. Was it reliable? Any other comments? If it is alright then will definitely be convenient to use it for a delivery to my hotel next trip.

Any other options for Cialis purchase around the Mega Kunnigan area when I return next time?

Thanks.

Do you absolutely need Cialis?

I was able to get Viagra no problem at a Century Drug at a local mall. I imagine if you go Century, Guardian or any brand name pharmacy at a mall you can get these pills. They may ask for your name and phone number. But you can just make something up. Some may have a small "consultation" fee, but Century didn't ask for any info and didn't charge a fee.

[QUOTE=KiwiTiger;2719466]Well I have just returned from Jakarta after 3 year absence. Usually I go for business but this was a family trip. So not really any chance to play the game. I only met my long term mistress (nothing to do with bondage. Just means woman other than wife. Haha) a couple of times in a hotel while at "work". Used the Century Harris at Senayan for a very reasonable Rp800 k per day. Older but still serviceable room.

I normally got my Cialis from a little bright yellow stand near Ciputra World Mall on Jl Satrio or from a shop on the bridge connecting the ITC to the Mal Ambassador nearby. However time has marched on and both these places have disappeared over the last three years it seems. Covid has obviously been harsh for "retailers". So I am at a bit of a loss. I did see that you can order Cialis delivered using the online platform Shoppe. Cost appeared to be around Rp100 k. So was wondering if any local residents had used this for buying Cialis. Was it reliable? Any other comments? If it is alright then will definitely be convenient to use it for a delivery to my hotel next trip.

Any other options for Cialis purchase around the Mega Kunnigan area when I return next time?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KiwiTiger;2719466]

Any other options for Cialis purchase around the Mega Kunnigan area when I return next time?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Pre-covid I would buy Cialis from either a small Apotik close to the Xtal Hotel or the Century Chemist in Senayan Plaza depending on where I was staying, no questions asked. Sad to see the little shop on the ITC bridge is gone. That was the first place I bought from many moons ago, but thought they were a little too dodgy for my liking. But they did have a nice selection of toys for the ladies. Would be good for an update on how you go. Possibly heading to Jakarta in 4 weeks time and need to restock myself. As a point of note, in Bali the Century Chemist I went to said they couldn't sell me Cialis without a script, so it was off to the local Apotek again. Language no problem, I just showed them a picture of what I wanted.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2719652]Do you absolutely need Cialis?.[/QUOTE]Thanks but I prefer Cialis. Lasts longer and has less side effects for me.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2719724]Pre-covid I would buy Cialis from either a small Apotik close to the Xtal Hotel or the Century Chemist in Senayan Plaza depending on where I was staying, no questions asked. Sad to see the little shop on the ITC bridge is gone. That was the first place I bought from many moons ago, but thought they were a little too dodgy for my liking. But they did have a nice selection of toys for the ladies. Would be good for an update on how you go. Possibly heading to Jakarta in 4 weeks time and need to restock myself. As a point of note, in Bali the Century Chemist I went to said they couldn't sell me Cialis without a script, so it was off to the local Apotek again. Language no problem, I just showed them a picture of what I wanted.[/QUOTE]I will certainly be trying Shoppe on my next visit and will report back. But keen to know if anyone local else has used the platform for this type of purchase.

[QUOTE=KiwiTiger;2719789]Thanks but I prefer Cialis. Lasts longer and has less side effects for me.[/QUOTE]Last week, somewhere in Gandaria City mall. Kimia Farma, no questions asked. Rp 250 K for a 20 MG dose.

[QUOTE=KiwiTiger;2719789]Thanks but I prefer Cialis. Lasts longer and has less side effects for me.[/QUOTE]Apotek Melawai, Jl. Melawai No. 191, Blok M.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2720261]Last week, somewhere in Gandaria City mall. Kimia Farma, no questions asked. Rp 250 K for a 20 MG dose.[/QUOTE]US $17 for a single dose? That's insane. Almost as much as a session with a provider.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2720575]US $17 for a single dose? That's insane. Almost as much as a session with a provider.[/QUOTE]I live in Spain and a strip of 4 costs 81 euros. I'm talking original, not generic. You want generic and cheaper? Try Kamagra online, Generic Viagra, Cialis, Levitra etc.

BTW, Kimia Farma is on UG North lobb.

Just show your vaccination card anywhere, I was even able to board MRT with it.

Go to any pharmacies at the mall, look confident. Cialis comes in10/20 MG and Viagra in 50/100 MG, no prescription required. I bought Cialis 20 MG for Rp215 K at Century / Guardian, KF charges more for some reason and KF is outside the mall which I thought would be cheaper due to lower cost of rent.

Hello, I'm new to Jakarta and was wondering, all these massage places we see on the streets, are they all 100% vegan?

Is there a subtle way I can ask the reception or the provider if they have special services? I mean HJ or BJ not FS.

Pre Covid experience. Almost all of them offer HJ and FS. BJ might depend on the therapist.

If the spa name has "family" or "day spa", it might not. The reviews will also mention that it is "family friendly".

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2722366]Hello, I'm new to Jakarta and was wondering, all these massage places we see on the streets, are they all 100% vegan?

Is there a subtle way I can ask the reception or the provider if they have special services? I mean HJ or BJ not FS.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, that's really helpful. About the non family friendly places, will the providers offer or you need to ask for?

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2722370]Pre Covid experience. Almost all of them offer HJ and FS. BJ might depend on the therapist.

If the spa name has "family" or "day spa", it might not. The reviews will also mention that it is "family friendly".[/QUOTE]

So many discussions on meds, on travel, on everything else other than review of places. I am hoping my initiation would inspire a few to share their experiences too.

Some places which have not been talked about very frequently, I managed to visit them in last month or so. They are open, accepting and amazing (some of them atleast).

1. Mr Braid Bar. Do a google search you would get in an instant where it is. Expect walking into a full blown chimney of nicotine (if you go after 5 pm). Really good selection and price is 350 k. Same place, but on the ground floor is GVS. Apparently its the same "owner" - this place is 100 k more expensive. Everything on the offer. Girls are nicer, cuter and more willing to make you happy.

2. Mars. Pondok Indah, Plaza 5 - discovered a gem here. Name Vionita / Vanita / Wanita or something like that. An absolute tigress in bed. Service was astonishing. She loves men with hairy chest so if you have one, don't shave before going. My legs still tremble at the thought of the time I had with her. Loved it. Price is standard 455 k, but when you're done, the girl will cheekily ask for a "cigarette packet" at the counter. Which would add another 50 k to the invoice. Taking the total to 505 k. I experienced this 5 times already. I don't mind.

3. V Club pndk indh. Again if you search for this place. Would appear as New Vins / Vins on ggl mps. Three selections from rare, medium rare to well done. Each at different price point. Highest one goes for some 800 k. Totally worth it.

4. Chrry Karaoke. Grnd Wjya. To be avoided like a plague. Girls are clever and not wiling to please. One in particular. Fowla - has the most disarming smile. I decided to have a bit of karaoke fun before the "run", lest did I know she ordered a drink worth 200 k (called the DJ special) - to give you a perspective. This is just their way of adding money to your bill. Its basically a blue squash drink! So at the outset place appears nice, good quality and "cheap" - but the "additives" make it costly by the end you are through with it.

5. Junda. Again search for it. The only bird to try here is an actual DJ! Name is Salsa Blla. Costs are high! 1. 5 jt. But worth it for one time. Other than that, no one else here to ride home about (or ride at all). So call and check before you land. Its close to a mall so the road is crowded as if its the last day on earth and everyone wants to shop till they drop!

Well that's all from my side. Need to get back to my "pretend" life.

Ciao.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2722757]So many discussions on meds, on travel, on everything else other than review of places. I am hoping my initiation would inspire a few to share their experiences Too...[/QUOTE]Nice report!

Great report BabaLoda, when we have sessions with our legs shaking. That is truly exceptional! Thanks for your Jakarta update and I hope you will report more. That being said, I got to mention OffShoreSwell was basically the main poster who's info here made me pull the trigger and book a trip to Jakarta Indonesia. Staying at The Gran Melia for 2 weeks. Got Tinder and TanTan leads ready to Date. Thanks you guys!

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2722757]So many discussions on meds, on travel, on everything else other than review of places. I am hoping my initiation would inspire a few to share their experiences too.

Some places which have not been talked about very frequently, I managed to visit them in last month or so....[/QUOTE]Nice one! Now in the Reports of Distinction thread.

After over two years, I finally got back to the Philippines and Indonesia. But they have been eviscerated by the pandemic. All of my favorite places gone. I've just been traveling around in a state of permanent piss offedness. A short stop in Manila on the way to Jakarta saw the amazing Air Force One / Flight 168 gutted and slated for demolition. I wrote about it in the Manila forum. A decent fallback was the 1764 and. Garcia full service massage place. Shuttered. The Manila scene has really taken a hit.

Jakarta has been no exception in my first couple days here. Pre-pandemic, I would get a room at Orchardz Bandara and hit the amazing and super hot talent there for like three weeks. Never needed to go anywhere else after I discovered it. Just checked in a couple days ago, though, and the spa is shuttered. It's a conference room now. Seriously? No on-site action at all. (I had RTFF and someone said both Orchardz spas were closed, but I did some crazy self-deception that since there are like 5 Orchardz around town, maybe Bandara would still be going. Nice use of my brain.) Before I discovered Orchardz, I would get an Airbnb near the Central Park Mall and walk 15 minutes to FM1. That was great, too. Cute, enthusiastic girls 350 k short time plus 200 k tip. Last went there in July 2016 I think. I didn't actually go there this time because Google Maps says "permanently closed. " More post-pandemic anger brewing.

In-call places like that are just the best for me. No fooling around with bars, traffic jams, lady drinks, walks of shame, dating site / app hassles wasting time sifting out lady boys, hard core pros, girls radically different in in-person appearance than online persona, etc. Just in to view the goods in person, hit the action, and out. And the rest of my day was mine for restaurants, cafes, walks in parks like the one near the zoo, etc. Now that all my favorites are shut down, I'm not happy. I've never been to Classic or Travel or Malioboro. Could be time to check them out.

But what I'the really like is to find an Orchardz substitute. Hotel with on-site action at the spa or action in the comfort of my own room just a phone call away. My next preferred option would be a walk-in fish-bowl spa that's not a bar, like the old Orchardz. One member provided a map. There are a few places there but not always with extensive detail and reviews from experience. But I'm having a look. Also, I've actually never accepted the offers of motorbike taxi or regular taxi drivers who asked did I "want woman. " I had Orchardz and FM1 and I didn't need to hassle with dealing with tipping them, wondering if the girl going to be worth it and so on. I wonder what other people's experiences have been with that. I've tried to RTFF back to 2018 or so, but there's a lot there, and probably a lot that doesn't apply post-pandemic.

What about Hotel massages, how do I know if I'm getting a veggie or if I'll have add-ONS?

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2722370]Pre Covid experience. Almost all of them offer HJ and FS. BJ might depend on the therapist.

If the spa name has "family" or "day spa", it might not. The reviews will also mention that it is "family friendly".[/QUOTE]

Tried 2 spas near my hotel in Mangga Besar.

1. Zaigon Spa and Lounge.

Jalan Taman Sari. You can find the roster and pictures of their girls on one of their instagram accounts ayoke_z. Some info on Kaskus. I sent whatsapp messages to 2 of the mobile numbers provided, but got no reply. I went there anyway, and when I asked why no response to my messages, they said it was a day off for those two. Staff were welcoming. They sat me down and explained the available services and prices. I took the 700 k option which includes massage, B2 be, BJ, FJ. There is also a 550 k option without B2 be or BJ. Chose girl 29 - young, slim, minimal English. OK massage, great service.

2. Sugar Spa and Lounge.

Jalan Labu. Couldn't find pics of the girls online. Some info on Kaskus. Staff also welcoming and explained the service and prices. Took the 600 k option. Massage, BJ, FJ. There was an 800 k option with nuru. Had to choose from pictures on a tablet. Chose Michelle. Very young, slim, minimal English. Bit of an odd session. Really slow to get ready, long shower together, then longer shower on her own. Once we started however it was a mad rush. Stopped her and asked if she was ok. She said everything was ok, and the session continued at a calmer pace. I think she was having a bad day.

The prices were all in and none of the girls asked for a tip.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2723323] how do I know if I'm getting a veggie or if I'll have add-ONS?[/QUOTE]Ask her.

She's a masseuse, it won't be her first rodeo, she'll have been asked the same question a thousand times before.

I know it has been a few days since you wrote, but wondering if you have discovered what you are looking for. If you are still around, and want a bit of local knowledge, please feel free to PM me.

[QUOTE=JimThom;2723294]After over two years, I finally got back to the Philippines and Indonesia. But they have been eviscerated by the pandemic. All of my favorite places gone. I've just been traveling around in a state of permanent piss offedness. A short stop in Manila on the way to Jakarta saw the amazing Air Force One / Flight 168 gutted and slated for demolition. I wrote about it in the Manila forum. A decent fallback was the 1764 and. Garcia full service massage place. Shuttered. The Manila scene has really taken a hit.

Jakarta has been no exception in my first couple days here. Pre-pandemic, I would get a room at Orchardz Bandara and hit the amazing and super hot talent there for like three weeks. Never needed to go anywhere else after I discovered it. Just checked in a couple days ago, though, and the spa is shuttered. It's a conference room now. Seriously? No on-site action at all. (I had RTFF and someone said both Orchardz spas were closed, but I did some crazy self-deception that since there are like 5 Orchardz around town, maybe Bandara would still be going. Nice use of my brain.) Before I discovered Orchardz, I would get an Airbnb near the Central Park Mall and walk 15 minutes to FM1. That was great, too. Cute, enthusiastic girls 350 k short time plus 200 k tip. Last went there in July 2016 I think. I didn't actually go there this time because Google Maps says "permanently closed. " More post-pandemic anger brewing.

In-call places like that are just the best for me. No fooling around with bars, traffic jams, lady drinks, walks of shame, dating site / app hassles wasting time sifting out lady boys, hard core pros, girls radically different in in-person appearance than online persona, etc. Just in to view the goods in person, hit the action, and out. And the rest of my day was mine for restaurants, cafes, walks in parks like the one near the zoo, etc. Now that all my favorites are shut down, I'm not happy. I've never been to Classic or Travel or Malioboro. Could be time to check them out.

But what I'the really like is to find an Orchardz substitute. Hotel with on-site action at the spa or action in the comfort of my own room just a phone call away. My next preferred option would be a walk-in fish-bowl spa that's not a bar, like the old Orchardz. One member provided a map. There are a few places there but not always with extensive detail and reviews from experience. But I'm having a look. Also, I've actually never accepted the offers of motorbike taxi or regular taxi drivers who asked did I "want woman. " I had Orchardz and FM1 and I didn't need to hassle with dealing with tipping them, wondering if the girl going to be worth it and so on. I wonder what other people's experiences have been with that. I've tried to RTFF back to 2018 or so, but there's a lot there, and probably a lot that doesn't apply post-pandemic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2722370]Pre Covid experience. Almost all of them offer HJ and FS. BJ might depend on the therapist.

If the spa name has "family" or "day spa", it might not. The reviews will also mention that it is "family friendly".[/QUOTE]If the names have pantai pijat or kebugaran in the title then it's a dead cert for extras. Some of these also include a passable massage but unfortunately, many are just a perfunctory 5 minute rub down.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2720637]I live in Spain and a strip of 4 costs 81 euros. I'm talking original, not generic. You want generic and cheaper? Try Kamagra online, Generic Viagra, Cialis, Levitra etc.

BTW, Kimia Farma is on UG North lobb.[/QUOTE]Willing to try the generics. Can't get it here in the states because we're tracking all pharmalogical history and purchases now. Stupid.

Trying to figure out where UG North lobb is. .

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2725322]
Trying to figure out where UG North lobb is. .[/QUOTE]Obviously you didn't bother to check the reason I mentioned it (see report #16119). Or, you think you're funny.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2725818]Obviously you didn't bother to check the reason I mentioned it (see report #16119). Or, you think you're funny.[/QUOTE]Thanks for referring to the previous post. I didn't connect that you were still referring to that particular mall and that UG specified the level of that mall.

I was searching Jakarta maps looking for a mall or a reference to a shopping center that was called "UG" like in "UG Mall" and forgot that UG is a floor level in that country.

250k for a single dose isn't cheap either.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2726582]

250k for a single dose isn't cheap either.[/QUOTE]It isn't a bargain, but you don't need a presription (expenses!) and it is still about 6 euros cheaper than where I live, in Spain.

Just buy the knock-off stuff off the guys with the little stalls along the side of the road. A bottle of 10 for 100 k, doe the job perfectly.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2726871]Just buy the knock-off stuff off the guys with the little stalls along the side of the road. A bottle of 10 for 100 k, doe the job perfectly.[/QUOTE]Have been looking for them Haven't seen the Pil Biru signs, yet. Probably Covid has also effected their presence. I haven't been to the Glodok area, though.

Share the name of the road or some locations, please.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2727563]Have been looking for them Haven't seen the Pil Biru signs, yet. Probably Covid has also effected their presence. I haven't been to the Glodok area, though.

Share the name of the road or some locations, please.[/QUOTE]Pretty much everywhere around Mangga Besar, also outside Classic Hotel there's a cluster, they usually set up after about 5 pm. The "Semut Afrika" pills are useful too and a lot cheaper.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2728060]Pretty much everywhere around Mangga Besar, also outside Classic Hotel there's a cluster, they usually set up after about 5 pm. The "Semut Afrika" pills are useful too and a lot cheaper.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Meanwhile somebody told me that he saw a Pil Biru sign at jl. Tendean, at the opposite of the Pertamina gas station. Will go there first, because I stay in JakSel.

First trip back since I left on March 2020. As I flew over from Narita using ANA I did get a text from them starting a negative PCR test was required to enter Japan. Consequently I obtained one but found out later at the airport it was required only for those actually entering Japan versus those transiting. Entering Jakarta was very trying due to the lines; however, only passport, a vaccine card and boarding pass were required for inspection. I say be prepared for being on your feet for two hours continuously. Of course increase traffic with no much staff additions had a big impact. For my first few days I'll say Kota Indah is jumping with a total of seven girlie bars with minimum pricing now at 400 K. One newer bar on the other side of the you shape alleys wanted 750 K. The Kimochi Mabes near Sparks hotel is still open with the normal amount of providers and I was told by them the #33 Rebecca is now married and retired. The other Kimochi near Hotel 88 #120 is closed. Travel Hotel was also very lively especially in the front; however the back area seems to have only one group. Anyway they did have semi nude dancers which I don't remember from 2020. Still adjusting to the time differential.

It was a mediocre trip to Indonesia this time, but I have to admit probably due mostly to my resistance to getting with the times and engaging with social media.

After being disappointed that the spa at Orchardz Bandara was closed, a staff member at the hotel actually offered to send a massage girl to my room. That's usually a pretty decent option since if the girl is no good it's no good for everyone. But she got to my door and I was like WTF? I decided to let her do her thing but with a mid-30's face 5, body 3 (fat, kids) and service 5 (gave FS but not great), it was a total ripoff for 1 million for the girl and 200 k for the staff member.

Disgusted with the whole scene, I took off for Lake Toba to just get some relaxation time in and forget my anger at the paucity of the post-covid scene in Jakarta. By sheer chance hooked up for a few days with a mid-40's Danish MILF who was looking to blow off some steam after a nasty divorce. Good times for sure but definitely not a long-term strategy heading to legit places and hoping to hook up.

Back to Orchardz and had WeChat girl over who hit me up on the nearby function. Again, one of the reasons I'm not excited about social media. Can't view the goods beforehand. She sent current pics before that were accurate but concealed deficits under deceptive clothing. Face 6, body 4 (fat, had a kidwould have been a 3 had she not been early 20's), service 6. Managed to get off, but again not a great experience compared to the former smokin' hot repertoire at the Orchardz spa and the cute enthusiasm of FM1 girls. 800 k FS plus 100 k "taxi. ".

For a finale, had a memorable tryst (for both the right and wrong) reasons with a mid-thirties Indo Cupid woman. When she showed up at my door, turned out her profile pic was 10 years old and 20 kg skinnier. She immediately knew I was not happy but said she was super horny and really wanted it. Well, that part was right. Spent 4 days with her. Face 5, body 4 (fat, no kids at least), but horniness level 11. Insatiable. Moaning, screaming, shuddering DATY orgasms, eager CIM. She just couldn't get enough. But in the end, there was another number to contend with. Drama queen factor: 10. On my last day when I told her no we were not going to get married and move in next door to her parents she exploded not into one of her usual orgasms but a fit of rage. Had to deal with that before I finally got her out the door.

My experience this time was that Indonesia is a sad skeleton of its pre-covid glory but I'm going to try to follow the advice of some here and get into modern times with social media to make my next trip better.

[QUOTE=JimThom;2729136]It was a mediocre trip to Indonesia this time, but I have to admit probably due mostly to my resistance to getting with the times and engaging with social media.

...But in the end, there was another number to contend with. Drama queen factor: 10. On my last day when I told her no we were not going to get married and move in next door to her parents she exploded not into one of her usual orgasms but a fit of rage. Had to deal with that before I finally got her out the door...[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the old saying that "we guys don't pay girls to have sex, we pay them to leave afterwards."

Sorry you had to deal with that.

[QUOTE=ABCinLA;2728697]First trip back since I left on March 2020. As I flew over from Narita using ANA I did get a text from them starting a negative PCR test was required to enter Japan. Consequently I obtained one but found out later at the airport it was required only for those actually entering Japan versus those transiting. Entering Jakarta was very trying due to the lines; however, only passport, a vaccine card and boarding pass were required for inspection. I say be prepared for being on your feet for two hours continuously. Of course increase traffic with no much staff additions had a big impact. For my first few days I'll say Kota Indah is jumping with a total of seven girlie bars with minimum pricing now at 400 K. One newer bar on the other side of the you shape alleys wanted 750 K. The Kimochi Mabes near Sparks hotel is still open with the normal amount of providers and I was told by them the #33 Rebecca is now married and retired. The other Kimochi near Hotel 88 #120 is closed. Travel Hotel was also very lively especially in the front; however the back area seems to have only one group. Anyway they did have semi nude dancers which I don't remember from 2020. Still adjusting to the time differential.[/QUOTE]I went into that "new bar" at KI and found one attractive one in the bunch. Was about to head upstairs when MMS told me she was 700 k (this was a year ago). I said "oh no no no, no freelancers. How much is normal girl?" She said they're ALL 700 k here. Stunned, I took a second look around to see what the difference was. The bar looked the same as any KI bar so I don't know why the ladies were charging double the going rate of the other KI's. I left and went to one of the other joints. If anyone can advise why that bar is so special at 700 k (now 750 k). Is it all bb anal or something?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2728060]Pretty much everywhere around Mangga Besar, also outside Classic Hotel there's a cluster, they usually set up after about 5 pm. The "Semut Afrika" pills are useful too and a lot cheaper.[/QUOTE]Dang, those carts look awful shady. I'm seriously concerned that either 1) I'll knock down something narcotic or toxic or 2) It's just wasted my 7 bucks on a placebo. Harmless sugar or saline pill.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2729975]Dang, those carts look awful shady. I'm seriously concerned that either 1) I'll knock down something narcotic or toxic or 2) It's just wasted my 7 bucks on a placebo. Harmless sugar or saline pill.[/QUOTE]Have bought bottles of Cialis from those carts many times and never had any problem with product quality. Sure, it's fake in the sense that it's not real Cialis, but the ingredient appear to be the same. I suggest striking up a relationship with one of the sellers. Tell him you'll buy one and if the product is good, you'll come back and buy a lot more. It's in their interest to sell a working product. If you can't be bothered returning, take a bite of one there and use the bitter (or lack of bitter) taste as the litmus test.

[QUOTE=JimThom;2729136]Back to Orchardz and had WeChat girl over who hit me up on the nearby function. Again, one of the reasons I'm not excited about social media. Can't view the goods beforehand. [/QUOTE]If you were talking to her on We Chat you could have simply done a video call. It's built right into the app.

Messaged a contact from Badoo, and she was at my hotel in no time. However, she was significantly different compared to her online photos. I considered turning her away, but after a looooong layover in KL, and after the VOA and cab ordeal, I needed a release. On the one hand, she was different from her online photos, she was a little chubbier, and fatter, and also had some sort of a dermatological problem with the skin on her face. She had red patches that she was getting treatment for. However, on the other hand, she had a warm pussy. Went ahead and let her into the room, and we started small talk. She was an ex-bank employee and a DJ who got divorced because her husband wouldn't let her DJ and was controlling in general. We got comfortable with each other, and we started the first session. We both stripped, and she did so to reveal the body of someone who once was fit, but had recently let go. We played with each others' bodies for a while, and she started off with a BBBJ. She was adequately skilled or experienced at it, and I enjoyed it immensely. In the heat of the moment, I floated to her the idea of doing it without a condom, and to my absolute surprise, she agreed! We slowly started in missionary with a focus on getting her wet and going deep. However, she wouldn't let me kiss her face due to her rashes. Oh well. I came relatively soon, not having released previously. She let me come in her pussy, and I made it a point to come deep inside her. In hindsight, I shouldn't have done it bareback; while we were talking she did indicate that she had been working for a while. But since the damage was done, I thought I'd might as well satisfy my breeding fetish. She didn't seem to mind at all, and was joking about getting pregnant! We both separated to clean ourselves.

Initially she had indicated that she would travel back to her place after 2 shots, but I think we got comfortable with each other, so she decided to sleep over. We had the normal conversation about backgrounds between the 2 sessions, and we went out to get some food. There were a lot of food stalls in Jl. Mangga Besar, and we had decent Sop Iga there. We popped into one of the marts and got some water, and proceeded to go back to the room. Properly fueled and hydrated, we began the 2nd session. While we were talking earlier, we spoke about fetishes, and decided to do the next session with the curtains open, so that the next building could see us fucking. This time I did use the condom. However, I was using the condoms I got back in Thailand, and I think they are a little on the smaller size. A few minutes into the 2nd session, the condom was starting to pinch, and I guess she wasn't so well lubricated. The head started paining a little bit, so I removed it and started fucking her again. In hindsight, again, I shouldn't have done that, but it happened in the heat of the moment. But I couldn't help myself, I was pulling her by her tits into every one of my thrusts. I could see that she enjoyed it through the pain. Again, I came deep inside her pussy in the missionary position.

I had negotiated with her for 3 shots for 600 k. I was 2 shots down, and planned the last one for the next morning. We fell asleep naked. The next morning, she woke up before me, and was already dressed and ready to leave by the time I was in any position to open my eyes. She asked for payment. Although it wasn't what we agreed on, 600 k for 2 shots wasn't something I was going to fight or raise my voice about. I handed over the cash, made sure all my belongings were where they ought to be, and saw her away.

Other observations:

1. Someone here was talking about Jl. Jaksa, the backpacker's hub earlier. I went there around 5:30 pm or 6 pm the other day, and it was deserted. Decent graffiti, but deserted.

2. Kimochi Mabes isn't easy to find. It's a road off Jl. Mangga Besar, and there is a sign that says "Kimochi" 50 meters away at the turning off of Jl. Mangga Besar. However, once you take the turning, there is no indication of where it is. I walked up and down the road twice in the hopes of finding it, but no joy. I had other stuff to do, so I left the pursuit.

BBD.

Now a bit refreshed, I explored the areas I sort of remembered. Went over to the grogol area to see if Medika was still operating and it was. Talent level has gone down with the girls on average looking like they gained 10 to 20 pounds. Its 400 K and I did managed to find one to my liking. Overall somewhat lower in total number of providers and consequently not worth a return visit, but I probably will when I return back Jakarta at a later date. Now when one tries to go over to the big malls some will ask for a vaccine card or evidence of vaccination on your cell phone on a random basis. Be prepared to wear a mask at all times in those places as well as public transportation at all times.

BTW someone had mentioned Emporium was closed, I guess they've reopened at 1,200 K and 1,400 K. I did not actually go inside but was mainly checking out status. Reportedly King Cross was supposedly closed; however, that area in Kelapa Gading was full of opened venues with at least four big massage shops. MTR2 was still going, although their asking price was 570 K definitely not worth it. King Cross has renovated into a pool hall on the ground floor with girls there at 350 K (not worth taking a cab ride over for them). Now the top floor has some very nice ladies at 600 K which I found worth the price (had to pay 6 K for their condom). The prior stage area is gone and the top floor had more of a cocktail lounge vibe now. The mamasan did write down 900 K and 1,200 k also on a piece of paper along with 350 K and 600 K, however I didn't see any of them the higher price girls around. I will definitely take another cab ride there again.

Thanks for the update and report.

Are you referring to Emporium / Emporivm on Pecenongan Street? Interesting if it re-opened. It was closed as recently as June during my trip there and the gate out front was shut and locked. I thought I remember some construction going on.

Re: King Cross. Half of the downstairs was blocked off and there were only two or three small couches of ladies in June. Numbers were way down compared to what they use to have with the more open layout and couches full of ladies on both ends. Happy they are still even in business, as the pandemic seems to have seriously impacted them and they haven't recovered yet. Glad the top floor is still open too. I didn't check out the top floor during my last visit. The other places I have heard about in the same complex as King Cross and MTR2 are Sumo, Vermouth, and Hermess Karaoke Executive & Traditional Massage. The only other one I have been to was Sumo, although it has been years. Sumo use to be awesome with the massage ladies and then the dancers and also Chinese imports. The layout of the lounge now though is kind of challenging.

Also interesting about Medika. That was on my list of places to visit, but I rarely make it out to West Jakarta. When I was in Jakarta, Royal was celebrating its 17th anniversary. They had some kind of sign congratulating them and it had all the KI bars listed, but then also listed New Medika for some reason. That got me thinking about giving it a visit again.

[QUOTE=ABCinLA;2730877]Now a bit refreshed, I explored the areas I sort of remembered. Went over to the grogol area to see if Medika was still operating and it was. Talent level has gone down with the girls on average looking like they gained 10 to 20 pounds. Its 400 K and I did managed to find one to my liking. Overall somewhat lower in total number of providers and consequently not worth a return visit, but I probably will when I return back Jakarta at a later date. Now when one tries to go over to the big malls some will ask for a vaccine card or evidence of vaccination on your cell phone on a random basis. Be prepared to wear a mask at all times in those places as well as public transportation at all times.

BTW someone had mentioned Emporium was closed, I guess they've reopened at 1,200 K and 1,400 K. I did not actually go inside but was mainly checking out status. Reportedly King Cross was supposedly closed; however, that area in Kelapa Gading was full of opened venues with at least four big massage shops. MTR2 was still going, although their asking price was 570 K definitely not worth it. King Cross has renovated into a pool hall on the ground floor with girls there at 350 K (not worth taking a cab ride over for them). Now the top floor has some very nice ladies at 600 K which I found worth the price (had to pay 6 K for their condom). The prior stage area is gone and the top floor had more of a cocktail lounge vibe now. The mamasan did write down 900 K and 1,200 k also on a piece of paper along with 350 K and 600 K, however I didn't see any of them the higher price girls around. I will definitely take another cab ride there again.[/QUOTE]

I was at Mega Ayu's soft opening a few years back and I remember talking to a manager about the place. As I recall, the general idea was that this would have classier, model type ladies supposedly and they would charge a premium over the other KI bars. I only ever sessioned once there, in 2019. The lady was average in all ways including attitude. I don't get it at all. I was there again in June. The ladies seemed older, slightly heavier and had more attitude than the other KI bars. I hung out and had a drink with one of the ladies I found acceptable, but didn't like her "my shit don't stink, I'm hot as fuck" (but she wasn't) attitude. I didn't go upstairs and left. I'll always give the place a quick look on a visit, but unless things change, I can't see spending much time at Mega Ayu.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2729974]I went into that "new bar" at KI and found one attractive one in the bunch. Was about to head upstairs when MMS told me she was 700 k (this was a year ago). I said "oh no no no, no freelancers. How much is normal girl?" She said they're ALL 700 k here. Stunned, I took a second look around to see what the difference was. The bar looked the same as any KI bar so I don't know why the ladies were charging double the going rate of the other KI's. I left and went to one of the other joints. If anyone can advise why that bar is so special at 700 k (now 750 k). Is it all bb anal or something?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2729975]Dang, those carts look awful shady. I'm seriously concerned that either 1) I'll knock down something narcotic or toxic or 2) It's just wasted my 7 bucks on a placebo. Harmless sugar or saline pill.[/QUOTE]The guys have been selling there for years, they are outside one of the biggest hoorhouses in SE Asia. Their regular customers are local Chinese blokes, men not noted for their gullibility or willingness to pay good money for poor quality goods that they are going to consume themselves (their willingness to sell poor quality goods for other people to consume is a different story.) If the product didn't work the stalls wouldn't be in business long. I buy off "99", no particular reason other than he is the guy I always stop at, I have never had a problem yet with his merchandise. I never buy the overpriced "genuine" stuff in pharmacies (which is probably made in the same factory that produces the knock-off goods).

Edited to add: He did offer me a free sample of a new product a while back, long, green tablets whose name I can't recall that were sold in a little tin box. I tried them out and found they were pretty useless, no worries, like I say they were given to me free and he wasn't passing them off as Cialis.

Your story prompted my memory that I was in that bar a number of years ago or one very similar in KI.

The pricing differential is to do with ethnicity. This all goes back to a battle in Bubat Square in 1279 when the Sundanese royalty were raped, pillaged and wiped out women children the whole lot.

To bring you forward to today, it's common for a Javanese man to marry or keep as a concubine a sundanese woman. But it's almost taboo for a Sundanese man to marry a javanese girl. As a result Javanese girls are seen as being more exclusive or purer.

My Javanese is fairly poor but I do remember speaking javanese to the girls in the afore mentioned bar and it did seem that all the girls were of Javanese origin. Ironically most were from Lampung as their ancestors had been transmigrants from some smelly village in Central Java and been moved to Southern Sumatra / lampung.

A typical Javanese girl does tend to be rounder and darker than a Sundanese girl which would normally make you think that Sundanese are more desirable. But that's not how it works when it comes to pricing.


[QUOTE=BenderOver;2729974]I went into that "new bar" at KI and found one attractive one in the bunch. Was about to head upstairs when MMS told me she was 700 k (this was a year ago). I said "oh no no no, no freelancers. How much is normal girl?" She said they're ALL 700 k here. Stunned, I took a second look around to see what the difference was. The bar looked the same as any KI bar so I don't know why the ladies were charging double the going rate of the other KI's. I left and went to one of the other joints. If anyone can advise why that bar is so special at 700 k (now 750 k). Is it all bb anal or something?[/QUOTE]

I have 3 weeks holiday coming up in SE Asia at the end of October.

I have an early morning flight that arrives into CGK, but I'm a bit undecided what to do next. I can either stay in Jakarta for a few days or just get the first available flight over to Bali. I've been to Bali many times, but never to Jakarta. Having looked on the internet I'm confused by what's on offer in Jararta and where exactly it is. I've been to most of the other SE Asian countries, and what I prefer is:

1) decent hotel within walking distance of the action.

2) strip clubs / go go bars or similar where there is something to see.

3) clubs where you can take girls out.

4) not into singing or dancing.

5) not into clubs where you can talk to the girls but not take them out.

So am I looking for somewhere around Blok M or somewhere else? I looked to see what was available on line and the agency girls look to be asking for silly money ($200 and up for an hour).

[QUOTE=RickRock;2730038]If you were talking to her on We Chat you could have simply done a video call. It's built right into the app.[/QUOTE]Very good point. Point taken. Good advice. Will think about that next time.

Here are some of my thoughts.

1. Almost impossible. The scene is too spread out. Check out Zanny's Jakarta map and you can see why.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&ll=-6.18866282134803%2C106.89928062800591&z=12[/URL]

That being said, Mangga Besar area is a good central place and you could be in walking distance of a few places like Hotel Travel and DK Mabes. Classic and Malio would at least be an ojek ride.

Some budget hotel suggestions, Sparks Hotel and Hotel Permai. Novotel Gadjah Madah or Grand Mercure Harmoni are western quality. Harris Vertu is also nice.

2. There aren't any western style strip clubs in Jakarta. Or Thailand / AC style go go bars. Ladies typically sit around on couches or chairs and wait to be picked. You can also bring them to a table, buy them a drink and chat with them. They don't make money off the drinks like they do in AC or Thailand. So take them upstairs and fuck them or cut them loose.

Malio Hotel and King Cross use to have all nude dancers, but I think those days are gone. Classic after a certain hour has drink **** type roaming dancers where for 50 K they may pull out their tits and let you feel them up for a few minutes. Malio still has the drink **** ladies too for 65 K in the club area in the back. The dancers on stage at Malio typically aren't completely nude anymore. But at least you can look at dancers. Classic may also still have some dancers to look at after a certain hour. They usually rotate between a band and dancers.

3. A lot of the fucking in Jakarta is on site. You can book ladies out from King Cross, Travel, Classic etc. But it tends to be a lot more expensive than the on site options. For example. 1 on site fuck at Classic is either 350 or 385 K. I booked out a lady from Classic recently I think for 7 X 350 K till 8 am the next morning. I got my money's worth. Almost any of the mainstream places here talked about should have a BO (booking out) if you click with the lady and she agrees to go with you. Talk to the mamasan for the price. It will vary depending on what time it is. It gets cheaper later. I would at least take the lady upstairs once though to see how you get along and how the sex is. I wouldn't just start with the booking.

4. Avoid karaoke and the nightclubs then. But you could still try options like Basque or Bats (if they are open) and just just talk to the ladies and ask them how much they want. Lots of freelancers there.

5. This isn't the ripoff coyote dancer scene on Soi Cowboy in Thailand or Fields in AC where you run in cherry girls who don't barfine. If there are ladies at a place in Jakarta, they fuck and that is why they are there. Some may be onsite fucking only. But you can fuck. But a lot of places have BO if you ask and are willing to pay.

Blok M is dead as far as I am aware. If the's Place in Blok M is still around (I haven't been there in years) they have dancers and a private room in the back where you could get frisky with the ladies. But I would not go to Jakarta to spend time at Blok M.

Mangga Besar is where you want to stay with a trip out to Kelapa Gading and King Cross, MTR2, Vermouth, Sumo etc.

Also check out one of the Blowart places if you want a BBBJCIM.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2731119]I have 3 weeks holiday coming up in SE Asia at the end of October.

I have an early morning flight that arrives into CGK, but I'm a bit undecided what to do next. I can either stay in Jakarta for a few days or just get the first available flight over to Bali. I've been to Bali many times, but never to Jakarta. Having looked on the internet I'm confused by what's on offer in Jararta and where exactly it is. I've been to most of the other SE Asian countries, and what I prefer is:

1) decent hotel within walking distance of the action.

2) strip clubs / go go bars or similar where there is something to see.

3) clubs where you can take girls out.

4) not into singing or dancing.

5) not into clubs where you can talk to the girls but not take them out.

So am I looking for somewhere around Blok M or somewhere else? I looked to see what was available on line and the agency girls look to be asking for silly money ($200 and up for an hour).[/QUOTE]

Just an update on the cost at Classic for BO. I went and looked back at my Whatsapps again with the mamasan. It was actually originally quoted at 6 x365 K or 2. 2 mil. But when I got there, the manager overruled the mamasan and it turned out to be 7 x365 K or around 2. 6 mil. No biggie. It was early in the day, like 4 or 5 pm and she stayed till 8 am and fucked me all night. This was a lady I clicked with very well in the room though. I still would not recommend just BO without first trying the lady onsite. BO will be cheaper if you book later and she's already fucked a few dudes. I wanted to get her shortly after she arrived.

Guys, this is a long one, consider yourselves warned.

I matched up with a total babe on IndonesianCupid. She was well educated, had completed all 5 years of Indonesian university, and had recently started working for a management consulting firm. She was 23 or thereabouts. I happen to work at one of the world's leading management consultancy firms, and I may have indicated that I could help her get a job there. She was hooked, and she agreed to go on a date with me to the Grand Indonesia mall. She was almost 40 minutes late, but when she turned up, I was more than happy to forgive her. Here was a beautiful, tall brown-haired model in slender jeans, heels, a white T shirt, and a cute little jacket. She was so slender, but shapely. Her movements were more elegant and graceful compared to any other women I've met, even in high-society. She walked like she was walking on a cloud, or perhaps that how I felt next to her. She spoke near-perfect English, although I had to slow my conversations down a bit so that she could understand me clearly. We walked around the mall and finally settled down in one of the restaurants to eat. We took our time finding a restaurant, since I wanted to show her off at the mall, and people did notice!

We had a nice dinner, filled with engaging conversation. Although, as a young professional (only 8 months into the job), she was very excited about it and the field, and was completely enamored by my descriptions of what I do, the projects I worked on, and the clients I served. That topic did occupy a bigger part of the entire dinner conversations than I would have liked, but I wasn't going to upset the beautiful creature seated in front of me. So I humoured her, and I could tell that she became more comfortable with me. For the rest of the dinner, we spoke about our backgrounds (I realised that I'm pretty good at coming up with an impromptu background story). It turned out that she's from a very comfortable family; her dad held a senior position in the government and her family owns 2 houses in Central Java and one in Eastern Java. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. Certainly not the regular fare in IndonesianCupid! She also revealed that her family had identified a suitable future husband for her, and that he was unemployed! I carefully expressed my cynicism at this, and her half-hearted response indicated that she wasn't very comfortable with the arrangement. Anyway, I didn't want to pry too much and scare her away. We spoke about likes, dislikes, and we spoke a great deal about her work again; her friends at work, her managers, her assistant supervisors, her clients, her favourite part about being a consultant, and a lot more. By now, it was abundantly clear to me that she was not a WG, and we were on a legit date. I hadn't been on one of those for years! In casual conversation, I commented that she was so beautiful that she should be a model, and that's when she revealed to me that in her high school and the initial part of her university, she did pageants. Although she never won a title herself, she always got one of the consolation prizes, best dressed, or most elegant or most talented. Clearly, she was a woman of many talents, and that fact explained her grace in movement as well. We settled the bill, and were too full for dessert. So we passed some time walking around the Grand Indonesian mall (it's huge), while talking and getting to know each other better. I felt young again.

Soon, it was almost closing time for the mall. It was the moment of truth; would she come with me or not? Like a teenager on his first date, I weighed my options. Make it clear, but appear desperate, or play it cool, but appear uninterested? We called a cab (just one) and I told her about the hotel I was staying in, how it was old school classical styling. I told her she'the see soon. And she agreed, by saying that she looked forward to seeing it. I felt like I was on cloud nine. We reached the hotel, and getting through the lobby was a weird affair, all of the staff and the doorboy wondering that the model was doing with a brown-skinned dude. It's an amazing feeling, when you prove wrong the people who underestimated you. We got up into the room, and her slightly child-like personality was impressed by the 4-poster bed. She immediately drew the curtains all around the bed, making a fortress! We cuddled in bed for a while, and talked about more intimate stuff. We spoke about my exes, how long we were together, her exes, and we even got to some of the naughty details about some of our previous love lives. We even spoke about how often we played with ourselves! I was very much in the zone, enjoying where the conversation was going. But that's when she dropped the atom bomb on me.

She was a virgin. She had never been penetrated, and intended to remain a virgin until she married. I was shell-shocked. Here was a beautiful, progressive non-hijaber who was working in an MNC, took part in pageants, has a broad outlook on life, and has an account on IndonesianCupid. She even agreed to come back to my hotel room after our first date! And now she says that she intends to remain virgin until marriage? At first I couldn't believe it. If that was the case, why would she agree to come back to my hotel? Unsure, I decided to probe further and I asked her what she did with her previous boyfriends. She said that she did fool around with everything but penetration. At this point, I was dejected. My dream of fucking a model-pageant was shattered. The Gods had been cruel to me; giving me a beautiful oasis of hope, and then taking it away from me, like a mirage. But, as he sometimes does, the optimist in me popped up. I was in a nice 4-poster bed with one of the most stunning women in all of Indonesia. And we were talking about our favourite porn categories! Life could be a lot worse. At almost the same time that the optimist in me reared his little head, so did the competitive spirit. I wondered to myself. How far can you get with her? Challenge accepted!

We were cuddling in bed, almost fully clothed. But as the conversation grew naughtier, she grew mentally and physically more comfortable with me. I asked her to lean against me, and as she did, I slowly undid her jacket. She did not resist. I could finally admire that slender body of hers. No fat at all, not something meatlovers would appreciate. However, I'm sure that no meatlover, however hardcore he is, would turn down an opportunity with her. At the same time, she wasn't the bag of bones, either, like how others are, with the ribcage and all other bones showing. I slowly nudged her to remove her T-shirt to reveal milk white skin and what looked like an expensive bra. I locked her lips, but she only allowed a brief kiss. I moved down to her neck, and kissed her. I slowly moved from her neck to her shoulders. I unclasped her bra, and removed it entirely to reveal a perfect pair of small tits with small areolas but big nipples. I caressed and flicked her erect nipples with my tongue, and she let out a soft moan as a shudder ran through her body. The soft licks of an ice cream turned into a rapid lashing, and I could feel her body squirm under my hand. I went back to her lips for another kiss, testing the waters for a DFK. She kissed me a little more than the last time, but she was still restricting herself. It certainly was a challenge. I went back to her nipples, whipping against her erect nipples with my tongue. I licked her all the way down from her nipples to her belly button, as she convulsed briefly under my tongue. When I reached the belly button, I rimmed around it lightly a couple of times. She enjoyed it. Then I rimmed around it with a little more pressure, building up the tension. With my right hand, I was playing with her perky breasts and twirling her nipples. As soon as I felt her anticipation, my tongue dived right into her belly button. Simultaneously, my right hand tightened its hold on her little breasts. I fucking loved her reaction to this, a long, low moan and a jerk reaction away from my tongue. She ran her hands through my hair and grabbed a handful. Not wanting to lose momentum, I continued thrashing her belly button with my tongue. Soon, I ran my tongue lower from her belly button down to the top part of her underwear. I ran my tongue to the left and the right along the top of her panties. I could feel her breath shudder. I ran my hand all across her bare legs from her knees to her thighs all the way up to the bottom part of her lingerie. I grabbed her legs, put them on mine, and slapped her ass that was revealed. She had a fuller ass than she had a chest. Making sure she was at peak pleasure, I very slowly began the process of extricating her inner wear from her. But as soon as she felt it, she came to her senses and grabbed them, making sure they stayed on. That was for her future husband, she said! Protesting against that would have been a mood killer, so I didn't. Instead, I focused on the inside of her legs, close to where they both met. A few soft kisses her inside thigh, and she opened her legs for me (although her undies stayed on). My kisses slowly and softly moved closer to her covered pussy. I ran my tongue along the lining of her lingerie where her legs meet and while doing so, I kept grabbing her breasts and kneading them under my hand. That seemed to make an impact on her, so I continued that for a minute or two. I moved back up to her face, and I was rewarded with a beautiful, passionate DFK. She chewed on my lips, and our tongues were rolling in each other's mouths, intertwined. I caught a fistful of her hair, and I directed the kiss the way I wanted it.

Soon I moved on to place a gentle kiss on her pussy through her panties. They were thick panties. So I kissed her with a little more pressure, and she again convulsed. I gently started to pull the fabric towards one side, and continued licking. I could feel and taste her wet pubes. However, I believe it was at that point of time, that she understood what this was leading to, and she snapped out of her trance. She pulled me up to her face, and she told me that that was only for her future husband. Fuck. I asked her what I was supposed to do with this, pointing at my raging boner. She said maybe she would give me a quick blowie. I was confused. I asked her if she'the ever done it before, and she shook her head. Well, if it wasn't a virgin pussy I was going to penetrate, maybe I'the settle with a virgin mouth, if that was a thing. Unsure, she slowly gave the head an exploratory lick. She declared that it was tasteless. I took that as a complement to my hygiene. She took the entire thing into her mouth. It was clear that she was no pornstar, but a warm mouth is a warm mouth. It didn't feel like this was her first time either, and when I asked her about it, she responded that she's seen a lot of porn! I laughed and nudged her back towards my boner. In no time, she was bobbing her head up and down, and using her tongue. The sight of her pretty face on my cock was alone enough to bring me to completion. I'the also give her the odd tip now and then, like the fact that the balls were much more sensitive, so be careful with those, and the fact that the male glans was very similar to the female clit in sensitivity, so treat it as such. She took all of this in stride, and the blowie got better and better. When I was close to cumming, I pushed her down on the bed and got on top of her. I asked her if she'the like to take it in her mouth, and she refused. She was also a little paranoid about getting it in her hair (she didn't have any haircare products to wash it off). So I came on her perky little tits instead. It was a big load, and a couple of ropes made their way to her neck. I encouraged her to taste it, and although she shook her head, I could sense a little curiosity in her. To give her confidence, I dragged my finger through the cum-laden tits and put it in my own mouth. She seemed impressed. I then took another cum-covered fingertip and presented it to her face. Without any hesitation this time, she took it into her mouth and I could see her concentrate on the taste, like a sommelier. She announced that it was a little salty, but otherwise tasteless. She scooped up a dollop with her fingertips and tasted it, just exclaiming with a "yeah" after a thoughtful pause. I paused for a few seconds, taking in the sight before me. Here was this virgin beauty, whose tits were covered in my seed. I was ecstatic.

We washed up, and cuddled up like an old couple. She fell asleep on my chest, and at that point of time, the world was perfect.

BBD.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2731597]Guys, this is a long one, consider yourselves warned.
I matched up with a total babe on IndonesianCupid. She was well educated, had completed all 5 years of Indonesian university <snip> [/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience. Fantastic detail. Reading your post it felt like I was in the room watching.

Hope you have a second date with her which results in boom boom!!
Please post a follow-up if you meet her again.

Day 1.

Long lines for VOA and payment of VOA in the airport. Took about an hour and half. Lots of foreigners looking angry and pissed to get through the line. I knew this was typical Jakarta airport style, so played on the phone. Was waiting for my mate in the ASEAN line took 2 hours 20 minutes. I though it was preferred line!

After a long que was needed some action, meet with a bird from indo Cupid. Much fatter than her photo but great personality. Meet in a shisha bar to get to know each other. Ended up back in the hotel for 2 rounds. Didn't like blow jobs but asked for bareback. Go figure.

In the morning another session and good bye.

Really would recommend indo Cupid as the option where many, you do have to pay a fee but worth it.

Day 2

First stop was a 2nd bird from indo Cupid. Went for coffee, noticed she had a change of clothes. A nurse.

Long story short back to the hotel for a session, asked to be chocked. Tried a bit but just not into that. Finished with cum on face and mouth.

2nd stop was delta massage, hardly any girls free so moved on.

3rd stop was Malioboro hotel Spa. Band was playing in full swing at about 10.40 girls with 3 different tiers. Went with the medium price, super hot but total waste of time in room. Looked bored, no offer of anything interesting. Would avoid if possible. But rooms very clean and good selection. Prices where 1. 1 to 2. 2 from memory.

Day 2 and half.

Best place I have been was Fortune Spa.

Wijaya Grand Centre, Jl. Darmawangsa Raya Blok F21, RT. 6/ RW. 1, Pulo, Kec. Kby. Baru, Kota Jakarta Selatan, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 12160, Indonesia.

Went there on weekend, much better time to go as more girls to select from. Asked the boss for a girl who speaks English.

Did BBBJ.

Would do bareback (if you want it, would not recommend as the numbers of dudes through here is high).

Finger in ass.

Great massage.

Very hot and big tits.

Damage at the 2 k mark.

[QUOTE=SuperRaven;2731914]Day 2 and half.

Best place I have been was Fortune Spa.

Wijaya Grand Centre, Jl. Darmawangsa Raya Blok F21, RT. 6/ RW. 1, Pulo, Kec. Kby. Baru, Kota Jakarta Selatan, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 12160, Indonesia.

Went there on weekend, much better time to go as more girls to select from. Asked the boss for a girl who speaks English.

Did BBBJ.

Would do bareback (if you want it, would not recommend as the numbers of dudes through here is high).

Finger in ass.

Great massage.

Very hot and big tits.

Damage at the 2 k mark.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I was keen to check it out, but 2 jt seems pretty pricey. Is this the standard at Fortune in Darmawangsa?

I visited Aquarius in Blok M on the weekend and prices were 315 rb (1.5 hour massage), 415 rb for the extra HJ / BJ and 515 rb for the full service. I'm assuming the quality of establishment and women is much higher at Fortune?

Hey everyone. Just read the past 30 pages. I'm thinking Jakarta is my next big monger vacation; trying to get outside of Mexico. I'm very intrigued with barebacking, just curious if any fellow mongers here are on PrEP for HIV prevention. In Mexico I use SA to meet non-working girls who are usually in university, but rarely will they do BB. If it's more frequent there, I'm going to end up thinking with the smaller head and do it, so at least want to be prepped. As for Jakarta as a whole I think Bbdbbd's story is what has me sold (if it's true haha JK! I'm a pretty sharp looking German guy with money, I think I'd clean up on IndonesianCupid. Hubris talking I suppose!

My advice, don't try to BB, you will leave your self open to all STD and the chance of getting HIV.

Many a punter have taken your road with regrets.

[QUOTE=MikeHoncho;2733002]Hey everyone. Just read the past 30 pages. I'm thinking Jakarta is my next big monger vacation; trying to get outside of Mexico. I'm very intrigued with barebacking, just curious if any fellow mongers here are on PrEP for HIV prevention. In Mexico I use SA to meet non-working girls who are usually in university, but rarely will they do BB. If it's more frequent there, I'm going to end up thinking with the smaller head and do it, so at least want to be prepped. As for Jakarta as a whole I think Bbdbbd's story is what has me sold (if it's true haha JK! I'm a pretty sharp looking German guy with money, I think I'd clean up on IndonesianCupid. Hubris talking I suppose![/QUOTE]

Fortune Spa.

Adres: Jl. K. H. Mas Mansyur No. 13, RT. 3/ RW. 2, Karet Tengsin, Kecamatan Tanah Abang, Kota Jakarta Pusat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 10250, Indonesië.

I just went there was helped by PAppi Eric he is a very friendly guy and exactly knows what I like.

I asked for the line up at the stage and their were 10 girls on a row.

I chose Mira short petite girly with very big boops and very nice ass.

I immediately washed my tool on arrival and took a seat on the bed Mira was already.

During the blow job I could stroke her buttocks and I also felt her pussy for a while I think it's great when the ladies sit down so that you can touch them, shea started to give me a nice blowjob with get this was very nice too she made a nice sloppy sound by adding extra spit.

After this I put Mira on her back with her beautiful pussy up and started thrusting her nice she looked at me very horny with her beautiful dark eyes, The thrusting went very well and I felt Mira's pussy started to get warmer which makes punching even more delicious. Then it was time for doggy Mira has a really nice ass to bump into. I first quietly chatted to those buttocks, but when Mira said louder I increased the pace and popped from doggy to flat doggy delicious our warm bodies chatted against each other and I started to sweat really heavily the drops flew off my head. It didn't take long before I really moaned in Mira (in the CD) hhaah.

Mira is a really sweet and beautiful girl and so patient she really takes the time for you.

Damage was 1. 950.000 rp because she is a model lokals are 1. 600.000 rp.

Fortune Spa opens at 14:00 and closes at 22:00.

I gave a her 100.000 tip for the good service.

Age 26.

BJ 9.

FJ 9.

DYI 9.

GF 10.

Overall 9,5.

I will definitely go back to her she's so sweet.

[QUOTE=SuperRaven;2733214]My advice, don't try to BB, you will leave your self open to all STD and the chance of getting HIV.

Many a punter have taken your road with regrets.[/QUOTE]You did not read the forum rules:

No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

Lucky that you not got banned!

Amazing story telling. I could see myself living through this experience, albeit vicariously. You certainly are a word-smith. And what a lucky experience! Keep it up, look forward to reading more of your 'long reviews'.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2731597]Guys, this is a long one, consider yourselves warned.

I matched up with a total babe on IndonesianCupid. She was well educated, had completed all 5 years of Indonesian university, and had recently started working for a management consulting firm. She was 23 or thereabouts. I happen to work at one of the world's leading management consultancy firms, and I may have indicated that I could help her get a job there. She was hooked, and she agreed to go on a date with me to the Grand Indonesia mall. She was almost 40 minutes late, but when she turned up, I was more than happy to forgive her. Here was a beautiful, tall brown-haired model in slender jeans, heels, a white T shirt, and a cute little jacket. She was so slender, but shapely. Her movements were more elegant and graceful compared to any other women I've met, even in high-society. She walked like she was walking on a cloud, or perhaps that how I felt next to her. She spoke near-perfect English, although I had to slow my conversations down a bit so that she could understand me clearly. We walked around the mall and finally settled down in one of the restaurants to eat. We took our time finding a restaurant, since I wanted to show her off at the mall, and people did notice!

We had a nice dinner, filled with engaging conversation. Although, as a young professional (only 8 months into the job), she was very excited about it and the field, and was completely enamored by my descriptions of what I do, the projects I worked on, and the clients I served. That topic did occupy a bigger part of the entire dinner conversations than I would have liked, but I wasn't going to upset the beautiful creature seated in front of me. So I humoured her, and I could tell that she became more comfortable with me. For the rest of the dinner, we spoke about our backgrounds (I realised that I'm pretty good at coming up with an impromptu background story). It turned out that she's from a very comfortable family; her dad held a senior position in the government and her family owns 2 houses in Central Java and one in Eastern Java. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. Certainly not the regular fare in IndonesianCupid! She also revealed that her family had identified a suitable future husband for her, and that he was unemployed! I carefully expressed my cynicism at this, and her half-hearted response indicated that she wasn't very comfortable with the arrangement. Anyway, I didn't want to pry too much and scare her away. We spoke about likes, dislikes, and we spoke a great deal about her work again; her friends at work, her managers, her assistant supervisors, her clients, her favourite part about being a consultant, and a lot more. By now, it was abundantly clear to me that she was not a WG, and we were on a legit date. I hadn't been on one of those for years! In casual conversation, I commented that she was so beautiful that she should be a model, and that's when she revealed to me that in her high school and the initial part of her university, she did pageants. Although she never won a title herself, she always got one of the consolation prizes, best dressed, or most elegant or most talented. Clearly, she was a woman of many talents, and that fact explained her grace in movement as well. We settled the bill, and were too full for dessert. So we passed some time walking around the Grand Indonesian mall (it's huge), while talking and getting to know each other better. I felt young again.

Soon, it was almost closing time for the mall. It was the moment of truth; would she come with me or not? Like a teenager on his first date, I weighed my options. Make it clear, but appear desperate, or play it cool, but appear uninterested? We called a cab (just one) and I told her about the hotel I was staying in, how it was old school classical styling. I told her she'the see soon. And she agreed, by saying that she looked forward to seeing it. I felt like I was on cloud nine. We reached the hotel, and getting through the lobby was a weird affair, all of the staff and the doorboy wondering that the model was doing with a brown-skinned dude. It's an amazing feeling, when you prove wrong the people who underestimated you. We got up into the room, and her slightly child-like personality was impressed by the 4-poster bed. She immediately drew the curtains all around the bed, making a fortress! We cuddled in bed for a while, and talked about more intimate stuff. We spoke about my exes, how long we were together, her exes, and we even got to some of the naughty details about some of our previous love lives. We even spoke about how often we played with ourselves! I was very much in the zone, enjoying where the conversation was going. But that's when she dropped the atom bomb on me.

She was a virgin. She had never been penetrated, and intended to remain a virgin until she married. I was shell-shocked. Here was a beautiful, progressive non-hijaber who was working in an MNC, took part in pageants, has a broad outlook on life, and has an account on IndonesianCupid. She even agreed to come back to my hotel room after our first date! And now she says that she intends to remain virgin until marriage? At first I couldn't believe it. If that was the case, why would she agree to come back to my hotel? Unsure, I decided to probe further and I asked her what she did with her previous boyfriends. She said that she did fool around with everything but penetration. At this point, I was dejected. My dream of fucking a model-pageant was shattered. The Gods had been cruel to me; giving me a beautiful oasis of hope, and then taking it away from me, like a mirage. But, as he sometimes does, the optimist in me popped up. I was in a nice 4-poster bed with one of the most stunning women in all of Indonesia. And we were talking about our favourite porn categories! Life could be a lot worse. At almost the same time that the optimist in me reared his little head, so did the competitive spirit. I wondered to myself. How far can you get with her? Challenge accepted!

We were cuddling in bed, almost fully clothed. But as the conversation grew naughtier, she grew mentally and physically more comfortable with me. I asked her to lean against me, and as she did, I slowly undid her jacket. She did not resist. I could finally admire that slender body of hers. No fat at all, not something meatlovers would appreciate. However, I'm sure that no meatlover, however hardcore he is, would turn down an opportunity with her. At the same time, she wasn't the bag of bones, either, like how others are, with the ribcage and all other bones showing. I slowly nudged her to remove her T-shirt to reveal milk white skin and what looked like an expensive bra. I locked her lips, but she only allowed a brief kiss. I moved down to her neck, and kissed her. I slowly moved from her neck to her shoulders. I unclasped her bra, and removed it entirely to reveal a perfect pair of small tits with small areolas but big nipples. I caressed and flicked her erect nipples with my tongue, and she let out a soft moan as a shudder ran through her body. The soft licks of an ice cream turned into a rapid lashing, and I could feel her body squirm under my hand. I went back to her lips for another kiss, testing the waters for a DFK. She kissed me a little more than the last time, but she was still restricting herself. It certainly was a challenge. I went back to her nipples, whipping against her erect nipples with my tongue. I licked her all the way down from her nipples to her belly button, as she convulsed briefly under my tongue. When I reached the belly button, I rimmed around it lightly a couple of times. She enjoyed it. Then I rimmed around it with a little more pressure, building up the tension. With my right hand, I was playing with her perky breasts and twirling her nipples. As soon as I felt her anticipation, my tongue dived right into her belly button. Simultaneously, my right hand tightened its hold on her little breasts. I fucking loved her reaction to this, a long, low moan and a jerk reaction away from my tongue. She ran her hands through my hair and grabbed a handful. Not wanting to lose momentum, I continued thrashing her belly button with my tongue. Soon, I ran my tongue lower from her belly button down to the top part of her underwear. I ran my tongue to the left and the right along the top of her panties. I could feel her breath shudder. I ran my hand all across her bare legs from her knees to her thighs all the way up to the bottom part of her lingerie. I grabbed her legs, put them on mine, and slapped her ass that was revealed. She had a fuller ass than she had a chest. Making sure she was at peak pleasure, I very slowly began the process of extricating her inner wear from her. But as soon as she felt it, she came to her senses and grabbed them, making sure they stayed on. That was for her future husband, she said! Protesting against that would have been a mood killer, so I didn't. Instead, I focused on the inside of her legs, close to where they both met. A few soft kisses her inside thigh, and she opened her legs for me (although her undies stayed on). My kisses slowly and softly moved closer to her covered pussy. I ran my tongue along the lining of her lingerie where her legs meet and while doing so, I kept grabbing her breasts and kneading them under my hand. That seemed to make an impact on her, so I continued that for a minute or two. I moved back up to her face, and I was rewarded with a beautiful, passionate DFK. She chewed on my lips, and our tongues were rolling in each other's mouths, intertwined. I caught a fistful of her hair, and I directed the kiss the way I wanted it.

Soon I moved on to place a gentle kiss on her pussy through her panties. They were thick panties. So I kissed her with a little more pressure, and she again convulsed. I gently started to pull the fabric towards one side, and continued licking. I could feel and taste her wet pubes. However, I believe it was at that point of time, that she understood what this was leading to, and she snapped out of her trance. She pulled me up to her face, and she told me that that was only for her future husband. Fuck. I asked her what I was supposed to do with this, pointing at my raging boner. She said maybe she would give me a quick blowie. I was confused. I asked her if she'the ever done it before, and she shook her head. Well, if it wasn't a virgin pussy I was going to penetrate, maybe I'the settle with a virgin mouth, if that was a thing. Unsure, she slowly gave the head an exploratory lick. She declared that it was tasteless. I took that as a complement to my hygiene. She took the entire thing into her mouth. It was clear that she was no pornstar, but a warm mouth is a warm mouth. It didn't feel like this was her first time either, and when I asked her about it, she responded that she's seen a lot of porn! I laughed and nudged her back towards my boner. In no time, she was bobbing her head up and down, and using her tongue. The sight of her pretty face on my cock was alone enough to bring me to completion. I'the also give her the odd tip now and then, like the fact that the balls were much more sensitive, so be careful with those, and the fact that the male glans was very similar to the female clit in sensitivity, so treat it as such. She took all of this in stride, and the blowie got better and better. When I was close to cumming, I pushed her down on the bed and got on top of her. I asked her if she'the like to take it in her mouth, and she refused. She was also a little paranoid about getting it in her hair (she didn't have any haircare products to wash it off). So I came on her perky little tits instead. It was a big load, and a couple of ropes made their way to her neck. I encouraged her to taste it, and although she shook her head, I could sense a little curiosity in her. To give her confidence, I dragged my finger through the cum-laden tits and put it in my own mouth. She seemed impressed. I then took another cum-covered fingertip and presented it to her face. Without any hesitation this time, she took it into her mouth and I could see her concentrate on the taste, like a sommelier. She announced that it was a little salty, but otherwise tasteless. She scooped up a dollop with her fingertips and tasted it, just exclaiming with a "yeah" after a thoughtful pause. I paused for a few seconds, taking in the sight before me. Here was this virgin beauty, whose tits were covered in my seed. I was ecstatic.

We washed up, and cuddled up like an old couple. She fell asleep on my chest, and at that point of time, the world was perfect.

BBD.[/QUOTE]

So just my opinion. But if you plan on doing lower volume dating site ladies BB, I don't think you need to go on PREP. I mean maybe consider it if you plan on going BB with high volume working ladies. But dating site ladies seems like it may be overkill.

Anecdotally, I've fucked hundreds of mid to high volume working ladies all across Asia BB the last 7 years and I am still testing negative. The vast majority of my encounters though are penis to vagina insertive or oral sex. Certainly do whatever you are comfortable with risk wise, but if your main goal is regular dating site type ladies and just regular penis to vagina sex (no anal), then the vast amount of research data available on HIV says your risk profile is fairly low.

[QUOTE=MikeHoncho;2733002]Hey everyone. Just read the past 30 pages. I'm thinking Jakarta is my next big monger vacation; trying to get outside of Mexico. I'm very intrigued with barebacking, just curious if any fellow mongers here are on PrEP for HIV prevention. In Mexico I use SA to meet non-working girls who are usually in university, but rarely will they do BB. If it's more frequent there, I'm going to end up thinking with the smaller head and do it, so at least want to be prepped. As for Jakarta as a whole I think Bbdbbd's story is what has me sold (if it's true haha JK! I'm a pretty sharp looking German guy with money, I think I'd clean up on IndonesianCupid. Hubris talking I suppose![/QUOTE]

Although I have been going to Indonesia for years, I've often gotten into a routine of visiting the same places over and over. Hotel Travel, Classic, Malio, KI, and a massage at Sun City (before it closed. I am still bummed about that. I really liked their facilities.) The maybe once or twice a trip I would venture out to Kelapa Gading and usually just visit King Cross and MTR2, sometimes Sumo. Those places were usually more than enough to fulfill my needs over a weekend or weeklong trip. And with the exception of the Kelapa Gading places, were relatively close.

But I've decided that I've become too comfortable in my routine and I want to try some new places. New places for me that is. Here is the list I've compiled so far. We'll see how far along I get with it.

New Medika. I've never sessioned there. But I think I visited and went inside once with a group of friends in like 2005 or 06.

DK Mabes Mangga Besar. Never been. Either their old or new places. But some of the ladies on their Instagram look ok.

Blowart Kelapa Gading. These places haven't been talked about much. But they are blowjob joints. I swear there use to be one in Kota Tua. But now I can only find the place in Kelapa Gading. I guess the easiest comparison is the blowjob bars in Thailand, but probably nicer facilities in Jakarta.

Mr Braid. Sounds like an interesting setup. And they open early apparently, 11 am.

Vermouth Spa Kelapa Gading. Looks like it is in the same complex as King Cross on the upper north side.

1001 Sexy Pool. I've been there once before, but never sessioned there. They have locals and import.

Zaigon Spa. Close to where I normally stay in the Mangga Besar area. Looks like decent facilities.

Sugar Spa and Lounge. Another place I have recently read about.

18 Eighteen. KTV and SPA. Another new place (for me) on the Mangga Besar area. On the corner of Mangga Besar and Gunning Sahari. Seems like the price is on the higher end.

Blitz Massage. Still in Kelapa Gading, but on the north side of Boulevard Bar Raya. Looks relatively close to the complex King Cross is in. I was sold on the report posted here that talked about the extreme ass licking option. LOL.

New Vins. Closer to G2 and Mr. Braid. Sliding cost scale from 300 K to 750 K.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2734117]New places for me that is. Here is the list I've compiled so far. We'll see how far along I get with it.[/QUOTE]Great info on new locations! Most of these I've never heard of so will visit the next time I'm in Jakarta.

My last trip (pre-covid) I loved 1001 spa. I usually don't hear about it on this board but I found the women there gorgeous. Don't fully remember so the details may be a bit off, but entry fee with 200 k with a beer included. They put a sticker on your phone camera to prevent photo snapping. Usually there were about 30-50 girls there in little black dresses just hanging around the girl area. As you sit down at some pretty comfortable couches a mamasan come sit with you. You can chill out, order food / more drinks / whatever. At some point you ask her for a line up and about 20 of the girls come to your couch area. Given there's usually more than that many girls they line up in groups, so if you don't see anyone you like in the first batch tell the mamasan and she's switch the lineup. Most girls are max 25 yo and range from super skinny to some with surpringly large breasts. No fatties as far as I can remember.

Once you select a girl she'll come join you at the couch for a chat / whatever. I guess if you spoke Bahasa you can flirt / discuss services / etc. Usually for me I just have a quick chat and tell her I'm ready for the room. The rooms are pretty nice if I remember right, girl services are pretty standard, none of the ones I picked did anything special, but I always left satisfied.

Afterwards you come back to the main area / couch and can drink some more / pick another girl if you want. When leaving you head to the counter to pay. I think it was somewhere between 1-2 m for entry fee+girl fee inc100-200 k tip for the girl. I think there are also non locals for a higher price. Best part for me was they gave a receipt showing f&be so I could expense most of the session to my company! In the end I paid similar prices to a classic / travel session.

I compare the 1001 spa experience to Alexis hotel when they were open in terms of price and girl appearance. The only downside is while 1001 has a giant pool, the girl experience does not include time spent in the pool like it did in Alexis.

Give the place a try and let me know if the girl quality is still there. I hope the lack of Asian businessmen hasn't killed off the quality of girls there.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2731597]Guys, this is a long one, consider yourselves warned.

I matched up with a total babe on IndonesianCupid. She was well educated, had completed all 5 years of Indonesian university, and had recently started working for a management consulting firm. She was 23 or thereabouts. (...)

BBD.[/QUOTE]When I was in Indonesia a few years ago I was in a similar situation with a girl who said she was a virgin.

After our first date (it was not P4P) we ended up at my hotel. She did wear hijab during the date, but I took it off in the hotel room. We were kissing and caressing and I eventually took off all her clothes. I tent to take off women's pants together with underwear. Most women are fine taking off pants, but some will show resistance when it comes to underwear. Doing both at once avoids this issue. When my date realized I was about to put my penis in her vagina, she got scared, said no, and immediately wanted to suck me to provide an alternative. I was quite disappointed, but we didn't have PIV sex on that day.

We met again a few days later. I don't remember who initiated it. We ended up in my hotel again and again we were naked in bed. While kissing in bed, I started touching her between her legs with my penis, then started rubbing it on her clitoris, and occasionally reached the vaginal opening to lubricate. It lasted for a few minutes and then I pushed my penis inside her. She said something about me tricking her into sex.

It don't know if she was really a virgin or not, we met once or twice again, but my memory of it slowly fades. The influence this encounter had on me is that I developed a taste for rubbing my penis on women's clitoris. I tend to do it so long that they get impatient and ask me to enter them.

Let us know if you went on a second date and how it went!

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2730965]The guys have been selling there for years, they are outside one of the biggest hoorhouses in SE Asia. Their regular customers are local Chinese blokes, men not noted for their gullibility or willingness to pay good money for poor quality goods that they are going to consume themselves (their willingness to sell poor quality goods for other people to consume is a different story.) If the product didn't work the stalls wouldn't be in business long. I buy off "99", no particular reason other than he is the guy I always stop at, I have never had a problem yet with his merchandise. I never buy the overpriced "genuine" stuff in pharmacies (which is probably made in the same factory that produces the knock-off goods).

Edited to add: He did offer me a free sample of a new product a while back, long, green tablets whose name I can't recall that were sold in a little tin box. I tried them out and found they were pretty useless, no worries, like I say they were given to me free and he wasn't passing them off as Cialis.[/QUOTE]In town this week. Where's the 99 guy at? Thanks Hilo and all who was part of this subject thread.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2731279]Here are some of my thoughts.

1. Almost impossible. The scene is too spread out. Check out Zanny's Jakarta map and you can see why.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&ll=-6.18866282134803%2C106.89928062800591&z=12[/URL]

That being said, Mangga Besar area is a good central place and you could be in walking distance of a few places like Hotel Travel and DK Mabes. Classic and Malio would at least be an ojek ride.

Some budget hotel suggestions, Sparks Hotel and Hotel Permai. Novotel Gadjah Madah or Grand Mercure Harmoni are western quality. Harris Vertu is also nice.

2. There aren't any western style strip clubs in Jakarta. Or Thailand / AC style go go bars. Ladies typically sit around on couches or chairs and wait to be picked. You can also bring them to a table, buy them a drink and chat with them. They don't make money off the drinks like they do in AC or Thailand. So take them upstairs and fuck them or cut them loose.

Malio Hotel and King Cross use to have all nude dancers, but I think those days are gone. Classic after a certain hour has drink **** type roaming dancers where for 50 K they may pull out their tits and let you feel them up for a few minutes. Malio still has the drink **** ladies too for 65 K in the club area in the back. The dancers on stage at Malio typically aren't completely nude anymore. But at least you can look at dancers. Classic may also still have some dancers to look at after a certain hour. They usually rotate between a band and dancers.

3. A lot of the fucking in Jakarta is on site. You can book ladies out from King Cross, Travel, Classic etc. But it tends to be a lot more expensive than the on site options. For example. 1 on site fuck at Classic is either 350 or 385 K. I booked out a lady from Classic recently I think for 7 X 350 K till 8 am the next morning. I got my money's worth. Almost any of the mainstream places here talked about should have a BO (booking out) if you click with the lady and she agrees to go with you. Talk to the mamasan for the price. It will vary depending on what time it is. It gets cheaper later. I would at least take the lady upstairs once though to see how you get along and how the sex is. I wouldn't just start with the booking.

4. Avoid karaoke and the nightclubs then. But you could still try options like Basque or Bats (if they are open) and just just talk to the ladies and ask them how much they want. Lots of freelancers there.

5. This isn't the ripoff coyote dancer scene on Soi Cowboy in Thailand or Fields in AC where you run in cherry girls who don't barfine. If there are ladies at a place in Jakarta, they fuck and that is why they are there. Some may be onsite fucking only. But you can fuck. But a lot of places have BO if you ask and are willing to pay.

Blok M is dead as far as I am aware. If the's Place in Blok M is still around (I haven't been there in years) they have dancers and a private room in the back where you could get frisky with the ladies. But I would not go to Jakarta to spend time at Blok M.

Mangga Besar is where you want to stay with a trip out to Kelapa Gading and King Cross, MTR2, Vermouth, Sumo etc.

Also check out one of the Blowart places if you want a BBBJCIM.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed reply. Think I'll stay in Jakarta.

Maybe get an outcall from one of the dating sites for night 1 and then explore some of the bars / clubs. I was in Bali about 4 years ago and paid about 1 million for a pretty girl with a nice body from on line dating site. What is the going rate for a similar girl in Jakarta?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2734395]Thanks for the detailed reply. Think I'll stay in Jakarta.

Maybe get an outcall from one of the dating sites for night 1 and then explore some of the bars / clubs. I was in Bali about 4 years ago and paid about 1 million for a pretty girl with a nice body from on line dating site. What is the going rate for a similar girl in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I can't be of much help with the online dating scene or the online booking joints. I don't use them at all.

I am strictly a "view them first in person" type of guy. There is way too much photoshop, filters, and ladies that are older (pictures from 10 years ago) or fatter than their profiles lead on. My time is just too limited and too valuable to spend chasing online bookings or dating site hookups. But I certainly don't begrudge anyone who chooses this approach. It is just not for me. Too much time and effort for too little reward.

I will say though, the trend is clear in a shift to online dating and bookings. And personally, I hate it. I love going in person to a place, speaking with the lady first, finding out which services she is comfortable providing, and being able to check out her real face and body. That is much more difficult to get online. Luckily Jakarta still has lots of places where you can go in person.

I am glad you decided to give Jakarta a try. It's not for everyone. It's a big, huge, crowded polluted city and the scene is spread out. Language can be a barrier. But the sex with women with good bodies and decent attitudes is fantastic. And I've actually grown quite accustomed to and fond of the city. Despite its many short comings. I'm very comfortable there.

Glad you decided to do a mix of both. Please let us know how it goes.

I first went to Hotel Travel around the 2005 timeline. I am pretty sure the cost back then for a session was 285 K. 17 years later, in 2022, Travel is now 375 K. In local currency, that is an increase of about 31.5% That is actually not all the bad honestly. That is technically about 1. 85% increase (averaged) each year since 2005.

However, if you compared that to the US dollar. It's actually even better.

[URL]https://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/etc/USDpages.pdf[/URL]

According to this historical document, in 2005, the IDR to USD was about 9704 IDR to 1 USD. 285,000 / 9704 amounts to about 29.36 USD.

In 2022, the USD is now 14870 IDR to 1 USD. The USD is the strongest its ever been against the IDR, except in the early Covid days when it went to over 16 K. But Indonesia was closed and those of us not lucky enough to be there could not take advantage of this exchange rate.

Anyway, 375,000 / 14870 is about 25.21 USD. So for those of you fortunate enough to get paid in USD, you've actually experienced negative inflation of about -14.1%.

In 2005, one of my other favorite places was 230,000 for a session or 23.70 USD. Now that same place is about 400,000 for a session or 26.89 USD. For locals, that is a staggering 74% increase over 17 years. Or about 4. 3% a year averaged. In USD terms, the inflation was about 13.4% or less than 1% a year.

My point is, this could all change in a heartbeat and who know what will happen. The USD probably won't stay this strong against the IDR forever. But now may be a uniquely good time to take advantage of the strong USD, if you happen to get compensated in that or a similarly strong currency against the IDR.

My luck ran out.

My first massage at be Fashion was with a cute model like young lady (I know her name but didn't post for a reason) and she's an incredible experience.

L face 8. 5 youthful and pretty, Body 8. 5 but a tiny bit of belly probably due to childbirth.

A Very friendly and willing to satisfy.

S Excellent. Lots of body licking, DATY, 69, BBBJ, BBFS.

E between 700 to 800 entry + I offered 400 tip.

RR Yes and Yes.

But my luck has run out. I've gone back several times and the same girl is always booked. I point out other cuties on their instagram and they're either return pulang to desa or not working that day.

Important recommendation. Don't go on Sunday. For some reason, the selection on Sunday is always terrible.

This last time, I ended up picking Dea who was gorgeous in her photos. However, the Dea that showed up in person was at least a good 1 point below her face photo and at least 2. 5 points below her body photo. This girl was at least 10 kg heavier than expected and none of it looked like it was "good shape 10 kg".

Then the service was total shit show. CBJ CFS. No DFK, no LFK, body was too fat for me to even try DATY.

I give her credit that the body massage was sooo good. No tease. Just a good strong deep tissue and muscle relaxing massage.

Entry changed up a little bit this time.

320 to the Booking table (they offer a lot of options and I think I picked the 90 minute massage and sex option).

420 to the Spa Entry for the room.

200 tip for lousy service but it was my choice. She was nice enough to know that she didn't "take care of me" the way I wanted and she wasn't mean about the whole session. I've seen that before too. When the provider knows that you'll never pick her again, so she's just a mean queen.

RR. Can't recommend Dea. Won't repeat Dea and at this rate, would never go back to be Fashion on a Sunday! Also, should prebook the girl you want, because the other regulars do, and you get the leftovers.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2734341]In town this week. Where's the 99 guy at? Thanks Hilo and all who was part of this subject thread.[/QUOTE]Outside the Indomaret beside Classic, and on both sides of the road, and also all along Magga Besar.

Like I say, these guys are in business a long time and their customers are not dupes, you can also nego with them. The Jews have a saying, "only Gentiles pay retail", in Indonesia only bules pay for the official "genuine" product.

I tried JW last month. Massage price is around 500++ and I tipped the girl 200 for the extra.

Pretty decent massage, the girl was a 7/10 around late 30's I'd say, nice HJ and allowed me to undo her bra and touch. No rush and ok attitude. Wouldn't go again because of the price.

Do you have any spas Instagram accounts where you can see the girls? I found only Zaigon.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2734840]I tried JW last month. Massage price is around 500++ and I tipped the girl 200 for the extra.

Pretty decent massage, the girl was a 7/10 around late 30's I'd say, nice HJ and allowed me to undo her bra and touch. No rush and ok attitude. Wouldn't go again because of the price.[/QUOTE]This pricing also reminds me of the Sparadise Spa inside the Grand Mercure Harmoni. It's on the 5th floor. And I believe they have changed their name now to Harmoni Spa. Go left when you exit the elevators. There are double glass doors to enter the lounge. When I was there before Covid, I thought I remember the price being around 400 K for a massage. When I returned earlier this year, it was over 500 K.

I went early when they opened around 11 am. There were only 3 therapists available. You can only view pictures of them on a phone or tablet beforehand and you can't see them in person. This always bugs me as they usually show up with a few extra pounds. I chose Rena. 25 years old and from Subang. She was a quite a bit heavier than her picture led on. Decent massage, but her patik mangga (ball massage) was very sensual and good. (Every time I've gone there the ladies are absolutely DTF, but for a significant extra cost.) They quote outrageous prices like an extra 500 K to 1 mil. I generally pass. I don't want to waste the bullet on just a HJ or pay quite that much for an overweight lady when Classic and Travel have much better value. But if you are staying at the Grand Mercure, you can also get the ladies to do the massage or up charged sex in your room. Which may be convenient for some.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2734841]Do you have any spas Instagram accounts where you can see the girls? I found only Zaigon.[/QUOTE]My impression is that a lot of these places keep their IGs under the radar so they don't draw too much attention to themselves. (or their ladies).

I think the best recommendation would be to ask the manager while you are there and on site for their IG or if they have IG. (Although I know that is a pain for researching where you want to go.) Most of the spas I've seen have their IG set to manually approve followers. So even if you find one, they may not approve you unless you are there and they know you are an actual customer.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2734841]Do you have any spas Instagram accounts where you can see the girls? I found only Zaigon.[/QUOTE]Be Fashion is [URL]https://instagram.com/bfs_resto9[/URL].

Zaigon girls page is [URL]https://instagram.com/ayoke_z[/URL].

(the other one is just the lounge page with the spa facility).

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/dkangelsmabes/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2734806]Outside the Indomaret beside Classic, and on both sides of the road, and also all along Magga Besar.

Like I say, these guys are in business a long time and their customers are not dupes, you can also nego with them. The Jews have a saying, "only Gentiles pay retail", in Indonesia only bules pay for the official "genuine" product.[/QUOTE]Thanks Hilo.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2734806] in Indonesia only bules pay for the official "genuine" product.[/QUOTE]My bad! I should have known to not to get too close to them bules, uncle! LOL LOL.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2734640]I first went to Hotel Travel around the 2005 timeline. I am pretty sure the cost back then for a session was 285 K. 17 years later, in 2022, Travel is now 375 K.[/QUOTE]The price is fine, but the service I had at Travel and Classic consistently ranks among the most uninspiring turnoffs I've had in any place I mongered in my career. Did it over a dozen times, so it's not a fluke.

Not sure why, the place sure is better than some of the shacks I tried, but everything adds up to a really meh session. Not even bad, I can occasionally enjoy bad and ultra cheap, just meh meh meh, offputting all the way from mamasan forcing introductions to the girl asking a tip after an obviously underwhelming performance. Really don't care to repeat, although I do end up going because some of the girls look decent for the price.

For those of you who have been to both places, is there much of a difference between Travel and Classic when comparing the basic service?

If I can only visit one, would you recommend one above the other?

Hi,

Have visited this place based on some internet reading, not good experience.

Very less options and freelancers were not attractive.

Massage was bad and was forcing for full service. Took HJ. And left place.

I have visited malio to checkout strippers. But on ramp, theh are only doing dance, no strping.

Lot of working girl come around you and aks for lady drink and start getting near as much as drinks you get them.

If you take private room, they take off cloths ans start striptease.

Nice experience.

On 4th floor they have freelancers for services with room included, charges from 1. 2 mil. To 3 mil.

Nice place to visit, I will visit again.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2735634]For those of you who have been to both places, is there much of a difference between Travel and Classic when comparing the basic service?

If I can only visit one, would you recommend one above the other?[/QUOTE]If only one, chose Classic. My experiences over 2 years ago, damn Covid, is that Classic has more ladies to chose from the 2 floors. If one floor isn't to your liking, go out and move to the other. Classic is bigger than Travel at each floor.

Hell, they are close by to each other where if you don't like any of the ladies at one, hope on a motor bike and go to the other one. Less than a 10-ish minutes ride.

I read this forum but frankly I am not in Massage parlor. So I decided to pay for Tinder Gold so I can change my current location to Jakarta before my trip and get some matches. There are lots of good looking girls on Tinder and I had already got a few matches. From them before coming there I did conversation with them and then shortlisted 3 girl to meet, and I successfully convince one girl to come in bed with me, she was Banker by profession with fluent English age around 27/28. Beautiful face and extreme in bed. By talking with her she said she only right swipe to non Indonesian guy only and who is tourist for her privacy and peace of mind. And after that day she even blocked me too. She made my day. But now I am coming back to Jakarta next month and trying my luck. But if anyone can help me with number or location where I can get beautiful looking girl. It will be helpful.

I return I will help you for contact in Turkey, India, Brazil, Greece, Spain.

I've never personally been one for the Tinder game. It is heavily stacked against guys. They are so many more guys than ladies on the platform. The algorithms and game is rigged against men to monetize and entice men to pay extra for Tinder services. And while 80% of women match with their chosen swipe, only 20% of guys match with theirs, or less. The game is completely rigged and not in our favor. I know this. But based on the post below, I decided to give it a try.

However, I will say this. In Jakarta, I don't see the need. Ladies of 20-25 years of age are stocked full in the bars and you can have terrific sex with them for less than 35 USD. The time and effort it takes to get sex from that same quality on Tinder is usually not worth it. The time investment is just too much with too little reward relative to the bars and clubs and massage places in Jakarta. But I am down to try something new. So I signed up and paid extra for Tinder Gold in anticipation of my upcoming trip and set my location to Jakarta. Let me just say this. Even being a middle aged dude, there is no shortage of matches from a variety of cewek, even in that coveted 20-25 year age range, which surprised me. I put real, recent, good photos in my profile and my actual age. I get tons of likes and matches even from ladies in that 20-25 year old range. More so than I ever have in any western country. Being bule on Tinder in Indonesia is the great equalizer I guess. I don't know if I will be able to sleep with any of these ladies. I've started chatting with a few. The most encouraging so far is a very fit 33 year old (much older than I normally prefer) in South Jakarta. She mentioned meeting very quickly. But I guess I will find out. I'll report back in a few weeks and let you all know how it goes.

[QUOTE=RayanMan;2736007]I read this forum but frankly I am not in Massage parlor. So I decided to pay for Tinder Gold so I can change my current location to Jakarta before my trip and get some matches. There are lots of good looking girls on Tinder and I had already got a few matches. From them before coming there I did conversation with them and then shortlisted 3 girl to meet, and I successfully convince one girl to come in bed with me, she was Banker by profession with fluent English age around 27/28. Beautiful face and extreme in bed. By talking with her she said she only right swipe to non Indonesian guy only and who is tourist for her privacy and peace of mind. And after that day she even blocked me too. She made my day. But now I am coming back to Jakarta next month and trying my luck. But if anyone can help me with number or location where I can get beautiful looking girl. It will be helpful.

I return I will help you for contact in Turkey, India, Brazil, Greece, Spain.[/QUOTE]

I normally don't get a chance to get out to Kelapa Gading since it's so far from the regular stomping grounds I go to and stay at. But in one particular evening, I headed out to Kelapa Gading for a dinner event and had about 90 minutes before to explore a little. Based on the prior posts, I decided that I wanted to try Blitz and headed there without any issues.

Blitz. This place is dirty. I mean it's damn dirty and I've been to some dirty places in block M. The lobby is stark much like the massage lobbies like in blok M, Zaigon, etc. One small counter with PPS showing me a small digital pad containing 25 photos of amazingly gorgeous girls. Then he points out who's available, and if they aren't the 6 ugliest girls in the line up. I look at him and he understand why I have this disappointed look on my face. I ask him for one beauty, and she's not available. I point at another and she's not available. Yeah we go through the whole roster and the 6 scarecrows are the ones available.

I ask about once particular one, and he says "good girl, slim, good service. " Great. I select her and the packet discussions begin. They have 5 or 6 different packages with Gold being the most expensive. The basic packages are filled with acronyms, some I recognize, some I don't. But it basically starts with a topless HJ and Gold is FJ or FS (same service, different letters).

I ask him if any of the packages contain Kucing Mandi, and he smiles at me. No, no kucing mandi here. I'm guessing he's smiling because of my limited bahasa, I'm at least able to say the few words and ask for some special service that even the best of the clients barely know about. I pick the Gold package and it's 450 k tip included. It read 500 k on the pad, but some how I qualified for a 50 k discount.

Well I selected Mille and in the room I go upstairs. Wow, this place is filthy. KI compared to this place is a Palace! The mattress on the floor is but maybe 10 cm thick. I wait for Mille and she comes in. Slim, huh? She's at least 12 kg if not more from slim. But she's a very nice girl. Great smile.

The massage starts by me laying face down on the mattress. Is it possible that someone used this mattress to wipe his sweaty ass? I think so. I also think I probably caught several strains of Herpes lying face down on the mattress. The endurance one would need to survive smelling the unclean sheet. Thank god the massage was not good and lasted only 5 minutes. Time to turn over.

Mille was already naked. I don't know when she undressed. But as I flipped over, it was nice to see. Confirmed she's bigger than any "slim" could ever be. She asked if I wanted to start with a BJ, and I asked her if she could do Kucing Mandi. She smiles and says I can do, for extra tip. Ok, I'm in. The tongue bath was very enjoyable. BBBJ, BLS, body licking all good. She puts the condom on me and I tell her it's difficult for me with condom. She says it's required.

We go through CG and Mish, but I can't feel a thing. So while in mish, I tell her I'm going to take the condom off, and she's very very hesitant. She sees me take it off and put my little head between her legs with some sliding around. She pulls me in bare. Great feeling, we go through several positions and I finish in DS. She asks me to pull out to finish, and I do. She cleans up both of us with a smile on her face.

I give her 350 k tip and she's thrilled. No comments about me overtipping if you feel that way. You do you.

L face 7. 5, body 5. 5.

A 9.

S 8 BBBJ, kucing mandi, BBFS.

E 450 k + 350 k.

RR No and No. Too dirty, girls not pretty. Kucing mandi was good. Price was so so.

Always curious about King Cross, never been there before.

From prior post, after Blitz Massage, I went to dinner and came back to the hunting grounds around Kelapa Gading. So maybe 3 hours passed and I feel a little recharged. I thought I will go into King Cross and look around so I know what to imagine when people talk about it.

It's a hotel kind of establishment. Walk in and front counter issues you an ID card. Minimum entrance fee 78 k. Fee waived if you book.

The separation door to the main area reminds of me Travel. It's not fancy and you walk into a big room with good lighting. Place is EMPTY for Sundays. Only maybe 10 girls sitting on two couches all the way in the back. MMS asks me what I'm interested in and I tell her I'm here to only look. But my goodness, the girls all look nice. Of course, some look better than others and I have my eyes locked on the most beautiful. Sakar. She's perfect and I can't resist. MMS tells me 350 k for booking and I had to accept. 6 k to buy a condom.

Upstairs, the events are much like Classic, Travel, KI, but the rooms in King Cross are much much nicer. No free bottled water though.

L face 9 body 8. 5/9.

A 9 crazy sexy, super sweet.

S 9 BBBJ and some nipple licking. Extreme DFK like she's hungry for sex. No acting for me, maybe I'm handsome and nice body for her. I move her to position and she takes condom. I tell her wait please. We slide around and she knows I'm slipping in like this. She starts to fuck me back hard and I think she does like me because it's a very good slippery tight fuck. She's moaning not like an act. I think I can make her cum. Many positions, all good time. I run over time by 5 minutes, but I do finish bbfscip. Amazing after only 3 hours of recharge. (this was my THIRD climax since waking in the morning).

E 350 + 500. If you think I overtip, please feel free to keep it to yourself.

RR Yes and yes. But it's quite far from JakPus so there's that. 78 k to bluebird here (30 minutes) on Sunday. Any other day of the week and it's easily double.

Warning, Sakar has beautiful big lips (so beautiful) with perfect lipstick color very strong red. Entire session was BBFS with crazy sexy DFK the entire time. I finished the session and did not know I walked out of King Cross with lipstick all over my mouth like I was a clown. I got back to my hotel room and my Indonesian girlfriend in the morning asked me what the red was. I told her I had allergies to some soap and later wiped off the lipstick that didn't wash off even after TWO showers!

I plan to visit Jakarta on Dec. And I am huge tits lover.

Can you tell me? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2733264]Fortune Spa.

Adres: Jl. K. H. Mas Mansyur No. 13, RT. 3/ RW. 2, Karet Tengsin, Kecamatan Tanah Abang, Kota Jakarta Pusat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 10250, Indonesi.

I just went there was helped by PAppi Eric he is a very friendly guy and exactly knows what I like.

I asked for the line up at the stage and their were 10 girls on a row.

I chose Mira short petite girly with very big boops and very nice ass.

I immediately washed my tool on arrival and took a seat on the bed Mira was already.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Stykler;2737690]After one post? Good luck![/QUOTE]It has been almost 4 yrs since I visited Jakarta.

So no info alive and I feel impatient to get the info I like.

Sorry. I will not ask.

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Hi,

Which hotel would you prefer? Hilton Garden Inn or Doubletree for some escort fun?

[QUOTE=Kforab;2738339]Senior Member.

Posts: 77.

Hi,

Which hotel would you prefer? Hilton Garden Inn or Doubletree for some escort fun?[/QUOTE]Escort fun any hotel will do. I stay at Oakwood Premier Cozmo in the Embassy district. Nice safe and clean area. Lots of shopping centre there. Mal Ambassador is good for electronics, and food. Also, on the street level is a large massage place.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2737463]Always curious about King Cross, never been there before.

From prior post, after Blitz Massage, I went to dinner and came back to the hunting grounds around Kelapa Gading. So maybe 3 hours passed and I feel a little recharged. I thought I will go into King Cross and look around so I know what to imagine when people talk about it.

It's a hotel kind of establishment. Walk in and front counter issues you an ID card. Minimum entrance fee 78 k. Fee waived if you book.

The separation door to the main area reminds of me Travel. It's not fancy and you walk into a big room with good lighting. Place is EMPTY for Sundays. Only maybe 10 girls sitting on two couches all the way in the back. MMS asks me what I'm interested in and I tell her I'm here to only look. But my goodness, the girls all look nice. Of course, some look better than others and I have my eyes locked on the most beautiful. Sakar. She's perfect and I can't resist. MMS tells me 350 k for booking and I had to accept. 6 k to buy a condom.

Upstairs, the events are much like Classic, Travel, KI, but the rooms in King Cross are much much nicer. No free bottled water though.

L face 9 body 8. 5/9.

A 9 crazy sexy, super sweet.

S 9 BBBJ and some nipple licking. Extreme DFK like she's hungry for sex. No acting for me, maybe I'm handsome and nice body for her. I move her to position and she takes condom. I tell her wait please. We slide around and she knows I'm slipping in like this. She starts to fuck me back hard and I think she does like me because it's a very good slippery tight fuck. She's moaning not like an act. I think I can make her cum. Many positions, all good time. I run over time by 5 minutes, but I do finish bbfscip. Amazing after only 3 hours of recharge. (this was my THIRD climax since waking in the morning).

E 350 + 500. If you think I overtip, please feel free to keep it to yourself.

RR Yes and yes. But it's quite far from JakPus so there's that. 78 k to bluebird here (30 minutes) on Sunday. Any other day of the week and it's easily double.

Warning, Sakar has beautiful big lips (so beautiful) with perfect lipstick color very strong red. Entire session was BBFS with crazy sexy DFK the entire time. I finished the session and did not know I walked out of King Cross with lipstick all over my mouth like I was a clown. I got back to my hotel room and my Indonesian girlfriend in the morning asked me what the red was. I told her I had allergies to some soap and later wiped off the lipstick that didn't wash off even after TWO showers![/QUOTE]Nice work in Kelapa Gading. OS knows the place well. Our esteemed colleague here Mr Benderover has done some exploring and deserves some points. Blitz massage is indeed a dump, what amazes OS is that the place has remained alive for so long. There are a handful of massage places in the Bukit Gading Indah complex on the corner where Blitz is that change hands and names on a semi regular basis but none with an inkling of basic customer service. OS's standout memories of the place were of fornicating away on a Sunday morning while some church group sang songs on the other side of the paper thin wall, or that one of his old acquaintances from Mangga Besar who had the distinction of having provided OS with the pleasure of her sphincter ended up doing massages there although she no longer provided that kind of pleasure.

Kings Cross has a few distictions. From mamasans who will ignore a customer, to it being the one place where OS always seems to be able to get BBFS, possibly as a result of, like with Mr Benderover's observation. You always seem to be the only customer in the place. Possibly the greatest attribute of Kings Cross however. Is how OS could walk out the front door and 5 minutes later be admiring the line up in Kings Cross and 20 minutes later be back in front of the TV with an empty nutsack without Lady OS having any inkling. The condom that they sell you is a scam though. Just tell them you already have one or that you are only going to cuddle. That throws them off the trail and rest assured, the lady will have one.

The other great thing about Kelapa Gading is the food. It has plenty of good places to eat and as mentioned previously, it is only a short motorcycle ride from some rather less salubrious hunting grounds. All in all, not a bad package.

[QUOTE=AngmoLover;2738409]Escort fun any hotel will do. I stay at Oakwood Premier Cozmo in the Embassy district. Nice safe and clean area. Lots of shopping centre there. Mal Ambassador is good for electronics, and food. Also, on the street level is a large massage place.[/QUOTE]Oakwood is a very expensive place to live in Jakarta. On a monthly agreement, it still worked out to 3 M per day. But the inside is probably the most comfortable interiors like a New York Central Park apartment, though smaller.

I saw that massage place at Mal Ambassador while shopping for a SIM card and some DVD movies for 10 k IDR each. I didn't go in because it didn't look like it was in a seedy enough environment. Usually, I'd trust getting some good action a massage parlor in blok m, KI, or Kelapa Gading. This place is in the middle of electronic swap meet center, the whole five levels. So the curb appeal didn't get me to go there and try if the girls did any stick shifting or better. Though at times, I wanted to go there to see if the massage was legit and any good.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2738860]Nice work in Kelapa Gading. OS knows the place well.

The other great thing about Kelapa Gading is the food. It has plenty of good places to eat and as mentioned previously, it is only a short motorcycle ride from some rather less salubrious hunting grounds. All in all, not a bad package.[/QUOTE]Thanks OS. I did go back and hit this place a few times more. The cost in the taxi was 20 k IDR more than hitting KI and on this trip, I found that the success rate and return was much better than KI.

First, the girls are much prettier. If 20 is your favorite age window, this place has the perfect specimens. Much better "No baby yet" percentage too. I tagged 3 girls here in separate visits on this trip and all three had non-mommy bodies. Skinny, gorgeous.

KI is 350 k to 400 k depending on if you get the early bird special or not. King Cross is 350 k and up depending on the tier. The tiers if I remember right is 350,600, 900, and 1. 2.

I was shown some 600,900, and 1. 2 girls and they didn't strike me as much prettier than a 350 k.

My second night, I ended up with a 25 year old attractive one, not smoking hot like the others I've pleasant been with, and I mention her because she spent an hour sucking on my lips so hard that afterwards gave me a swollen lip. That particular session wasn't sweet or cute, it was being ravaged by someone well experienced in the art of porn. I've long since realized that I'd rather have a younger less experienced girl ride me slow with DFK than one looking like she's doing a film shoot with 3 other dudes in the room.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2739180]Oakwood is a very expensive place to live in Jakarta. On a monthly agreement, it still worked out to 3 M per day. But the inside is probably the most comfortable interiors like a New York Central Park apartment, though smaller.

I saw that massage place at Mal Ambassador while shopping for a SIM card and some DVD movies for 10 k IDR each. I didn't go in because it didn't look like it was in a seedy enough environment. Usually, I'd trust getting some good action in a massage parlor in Blok M, KI, or Kelapa Gading. This place is in the middle of the electronic swap meet center, the whole five levels. So the curb appeal didn't get me to go there and try if the girls did any stick shifting or better. Though at times, I wanted to go there to see if the massage was legit and any good.[/QUOTE]Yes, Oakwood is nice. Another, less-expensive place in that area to recommend is Somerset Apartments, an older building but "well-appointed" as the Brits would say. Your room includes free breakfast on the penthouse floor at the top of the north tower, great view while you eat.

If I remember correctly, the spa in Mal Ambassador is named Jaspa. While the entrance is on street level, you have to take an elevator up a few floors to the actual spa, which is spread out over two floors. The lower floor has saunas, showers, and lockers while the upper floor has the actual massage rooms. There are definitely extras available depending on the girl, I had several great sessions over a few-year period with an attractive late-20's, relatively tall girl named "Poppy" although she no longer works there. My single best session was with a much younger Javanese girl from Indramayu, around 20 years old, tiny 95-100 pounds at most but with the firmest, most solid (but real) tits I've ever found on any adult female.

So yes, I'd recommend this place.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2739274]
If I remember correctly, the spa in Mal Ambassador is named Jaspa. While the entrance is on street level, you have to take an elevator up a few floors to the actual spa, which is spread out over two floors. The lower floor has saunas, showers, and lockers while the upper floor has the actual massage rooms.[/QUOTE]Google Maps shows the 'Jaspa Family Health Spa' is permanently closed. Hope someone visiting Mal Ambassador can confirm.

Last night was a visit to the narrow streets off Jl. Hayam Waruk. These are the narrow roads east side of the Mangga Besar Busway bridge. Let's call them then Jl. Kebon Jeruk series. It had been about 10 years since the last visit, so curiosity struck and mild exploration was overdue.

The first visit was the street with the old Stadium. I was seeking a dive bar for a drink and asked around, but to no avail. This was around 9 pm and it seemed pretty quiet, aside from the usual shady characters hanging outside.

Heading north, the next street running parallel resembled Stalingrad circa. 1943. Not much doing apart from some very base massage options. Upon an invite from a mamasan into the kost behind her, I queried about places to get a drink. She said there were none on that road, but a bar on the next parallel street running north. So off I went.

Entering this next street with the Suisse Bakery landmark, options were pretty limited. As other posters have mentioned, Berlian is no longer. The only option was Royal Mas at the end of the culdesac. I popped in there for a beer. Level 1 is set up similar to the KI bars. But it's not quite as loud as Karaoke is the music option rather than blaring happy house Chinese. There were about 10-15 women that were all far left of the bell curve.

Content to settle with a beer, I got chatting with the bar tender. Royal Mas opened up there 2 months ago, having moved from its original location. There's 3 levels. Level 1 is a bar (with overpriced beer), Level 2 are the rooms (350 rb total) for a 1 hour full service massage. Level 3 is a lounge. Interestingly, we got chatting about Stadium. Apparently the original owners have just been issued with a new permit to re-open Stadium at the same site. Although under a different name.

After a beer, I left Royal Mas feeling underwhelmed. Returning to the street one row south I revisited the mamasan from earlier. Curiosity got the better of me. Prices were negotiable and she started at a hefty 500 rb. We agreed on 300 rb. It was a bit more than I thought was standard, but felt close enough. I was later told the mamasan clips the ticket at 70 rb for each session. The remainder goes to the girl.

There are 4 kosts inside. These are also where the women live and they pay their own rent of 2. 1 jt per month. As such, the rooms are very homely. The one I used had family photos hanging on the wall and I interrupted her watching Sinetron. The room was pristine. The lady not so much. However, she was friendly and it felt just like hanging out at someone's place. No English was spoken here, so some Indonesian helps.

My fellow Gentlemen,

I am currently preparing my visit to Jakarta by contacting local women via SM if they are interested to meet. As already mentioned by others, its crazy. I get a lot of welcoming responses and offers.

However what I am quite unfamiliar with is that a lot of women are jumping fast on the marriage and lets have children train.

Is this something I should be generally aware of if I am going to meet ordinary local women?

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2739438]Last night was a visit to the narrow streets off Jl. Hayam Waruk. These are the narrow roads east side of the Mangga Besar Busway bridge. Let's call them then Jl. Kebon Jeruk series. It had been about 10 years since the last visit, so curiosity struck and mild exploration was overdue.

The first visit was the street with the old Stadium. I was seeking a dive bar for a drink and asked around, but to no avail. This was around 9 pm and it seemed pretty quiet, aside from the usual shady characters hanging outside.

Heading north, the next street running parallel resembled Stalingrad circa. 1943. Not much doing apart from some very base massage options. Upon an invite from a mamasan into the kost behind her, I queried about places to get a drink. She said there were none on that road, but a bar on the next parallel street running north. So off I went.

Entering this next street with the Suisse Bakery landmark, options were pretty limited. As other posters have mentioned, Berlian is no longer. The only option was Royal Mas at the end of the culdesac. I popped in there for a beer. Level 1 is set up similar to the KI bars. But it's not quite as loud as Karaoke is the music option rather than blaring happy house Chinese. There were about 10-15 women that were all far left of the bell curve.

Content to settle with a beer, I got chatting with the bartender. Royal Mas opened up there 2 months ago, having moved from its original location. There are 3 levels. Level 1 is a bar (with overpriced beer), Level 2 are the rooms (350 rb total) for a 1-hour full-service massage. Level 3 is a lounge. Interestingly, we got chatting about Stadium. Apparently, the original owners have just been issued with a new permit to re-open Stadium at the same site. Although under a different name.

After a beer, I left Royal Mas feeling underwhelmed. Returning to the street one row south I revisited the mamasan from earlier. Curiosity got the better of me. Prices were negotiable and she started at a hefty 500 rb. We agreed on 300 rb. It was a bit more than I thought was standard, but felt close enough. I was later told the mamasan clips the ticket at 70 rb for each session. The remainder goes to the girl.

There are 4 kosts inside. These are also where the women live and they pay their own rent of 2. 1 juta per month. As such, the rooms are very homely. The one I used had family photos hanging on the wall and I interrupted her watching Sinetron. The room was pristine. The lady not so much. However, she was friendly and it felt just like hanging out at someone's place. No English was spoken here, so some Indonesian helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I have many good memories of Royal Mas at their old location, most recently in 2018 when I had a great session with a slender 21-year-old named "Riska" who had just started working there. Zero massage skills but a great kisser and a nice GFE experience, I liked her so much that I came back for a return visit a few days later.

It's unclear from your report. Did Royal Mas move into the location where Kartika was? Kartika was my #1 spot in Jakarta between 2004-2018 and it will be missed by many if it indeed has closed down for good. A two-girl FS nuru session at Kartika was always on the top of my list every time I visited Jakarta.

Forgot to mention that in February 2005 I had a good two-girl session at Kartika, one of the 2 girls was Sonia a 30-ish Chinese girl with red hair, memorable both because she spoke good English and because very few Chiese girls worked at any of these spas. I had several other two-girl sessions with Sonia through 2007 but finally stopped choosing her because her service level had dropped noticeably (she was letting the other girl do 90% of the work). Walked into Kartika in 2018 for the first time in years and she immediately walked up to me and said "Hi Mr. MS" with a smile. Not sure if it's good or bad that (a) she remembered me and (b) she was still working there 13 years after I had first met her.

On the other hand, it should be interesting to see Stadium re-open under a new name.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2740382]

Forgot to mention that in February 2005 I had a good two-girl session at Kartika, one of the 2 girls was Sonia a 30-ish Chinese girl with red hair, memorable both because she spoke good English and because very few Chiese girls worked at any of these spas. I had several other two-girl sessions with Sonia through 2007 but finally stopped choosing her because her service level had dropped noticeably (she was letting the other girl do 90% of the work). Walked into Kartika in 2018 for the first time in years and she immediately walked up to me and said "Hi Mr. MS" with a smile. Not sure if it's good or bad that (a) she remembered me and (b) she was still working there 13 years after I had first met her.

On the other hand, it should be interesting to see Stadium re-open under a new name.[/QUOTE]I haven't previously been to Kartika, but there was no other bar opened on that street. Comparing my visit last week with Google Maps street view from January 2021, Royal Mas has indeed replaced Kartika. The current entrance for Royal Mas is on the right with the blue tiles.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@-6.1505223[/URL], 106.8178556,3 a,37.5 y,86.04 h,85.36 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 s0 UQLGSFJHkHKl2 CehSIW0 A!2 e0!7 i16384!8 i8192.

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2740740]I haven't previously been to Kartika, but there was no other bar opened on that street. Comparing my visit last week with Google Maps street view from January 2021, Royal Mas has indeed replaced Kartika. The current entrance for Royal Mas is on the right with the blue tiles.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@-6.1505223[/URL], 106.8178556,3 a,37.5 y,86.04 h,85.36 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 s0 UQLGSFJHkHKl2 CehSIW0 A!2 e0!7 i16384!8 i8192.[/QUOTE]Hmm, it seems map links are frowned upon.

Type in the following address to Google Maps: Jl. Kb. Jeruk XX No. 10, RT. 10/ RW. 9, Maphar, Kota Jakarta Barat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta.

Pan around to the door to the right of the Kartika Sign. Zoom in. The building has blue wall tiles. This is the new location of Royal Mas.

[QUOTE=TakeThis;2740368]My fellow Gentlemen,

I am currently preparing my visit to Jakarta by contacting local women via SM if they are interested to meet. As already mentioned by others, its crazy. I get a lot of welcoming responses and offers.

However what I am quite unfamiliar with is that a lot of women are jumping fast on the marriage and lets have children train.

Is this something I should be generally aware of if I am going to meet ordinary local women?[/QUOTE]You seem to have touched upon one of the paradoxes of our craft here. Whilst we are happy to spread our seed far and wide. The other side is generally known to be searching for security, money, babies, happiness, travel and shopping experiences.

Could there be something in your profile that doesn't explain sufficiently what you are hoping to find in Indonesia? Or are you able to satisfy some of these whilst making clear that the babies and marriage might be contingent on a number of other things falling into place.

The truth is, you guys put in all this "thrill of the chase", preliminary work and it all goes out the window when you land because it's always a dynamic situation on the ground. If it keeps you happy go hard but it's mostly all blah blah blah.

OS has a strict policy of "Try before you buy" for any ladies who may wish to procreate with his magnificent genes. You may wish to communicate this a little more clearly to your keyboard liaison's.

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2734341]In town this week. Where's the 99 guy at? Thanks Hilo and all who was part of this subject thread.[/QUOTE]Bought some from the street carts at Mangga Besar last weekend. Opening price for a bottle of 10 Cialis was 300 rb. We settled on 160 rb. Given I only take 1/2 tablet at a time, Rp8,000/ session is not a bad deal.

I go to Jakarta for work once or twice a year before pandemic, and about to have another one in 3-wks for almost 2-mo stay.

Seeking Arrangement is my preferred media, I found university students, flight-attendant, office workers, even pros all the time there.

I am courting one right now, she is law student in her 5th semester outside Jakarta, willing to travel on weekend to meet for the entire weekend as long I pay for train tickets. She is open for trip to Bali if classes are online that week.

I like this setup, we've been chatting / calling for 3-wks, not even once she asks for money up front. But, yes she expects money when we meet, she is happy with about $300/ night.

BTW, plenty of girls at Seeking Arrangement are semi-pro / freelancers, the going rate seems to be 2-3 mil for 1-2 hour and 5 mil for overnight stay. The girls are all 8-9 in my book, not sure about services since I haven't partaken in PPM world. I like contract GF more, since I like DATY and BBBJ, as well as the pillow talk afterward.

I chat two flight-attendants on Telegram / Wahtsapp and very tempted to take them out and see how it goes but I feel more connection with this law student. It's like BF / GF, since we chat every day for hours.

Will report back in a month, hope it all works out, I don't want to pay Seeking Arrangement again until my next business trip.

Looking at visiting in the next month or so.

How much of an issue are these fuel protests? Is there a chance these will turn into 1998? (I am of Chinese appearance)

DJTan,

Thank you for the info about SA. I would love to creampie a flight attendant soon. Been to Jakarta only once but had a great time with Tinder and Tan Tan app.

But please advise - $300.00 USD a Day? Good lord! I think you are way over-paying. Hope you recieve this as a respectful comment and not a flame because I appreciate everyone's valuable info.

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2741807]Bought some from the street carts at Mangga Besar last weekend. Opening price for a bottle of 10 Cialis was 300 rb. We settled on 160 rb. Given I only take 1/2 tablet at a time, Rp8,000/ session is not a bad deal.[/QUOTE]I didn't have a chance to venture near Classic though it wasn't so far away from where I was heading. Stupid move on my part really. Part of my hesitation was that I didn't want to be the 0. 1% of people taking that stuff and get a heart attack in a place like KI or Kelapa Gading as an expatriate in Indonesia.

I spent most of my time in KI and Kelapa Gading, so as you can imagine, it would have been easy for me to pull over and ask Bluebird to wait for me a few minutes while I negotiate with 99 for some dick hardening medicine.

Why the stupid move on my part? Well, on a few of the nights, I thought I was back in my prime again and tried to bang out three girls back to back. Stupid because the little guy stopped working about 3/4 of the way through the second session. Do I get credit for not quitting?

There were several nights like this, and some of them worked out ok. I was pleasantly surprised that I could do 3 BBFSCIP runs within 24 hours, and no pill.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2734840]I tried JW last month. Massage price is around 500++ and I tipped the girl 200 for the extra.

Pretty decent massage, the girl was a 7/10 around late 30's I'd say, nice HJ and allowed me to undo her bra and touch. No rush and ok attitude. Wouldn't go again because of the price.[/QUOTE]I noticed that the hotels (ranging from decent to mega nice) have a consistent Modus Oparandi. If the Spa has an official location staffed relatively internally (and you usually get loyalty discounts), then you're not getting any extra services.

If the hotel doesn't have a special SPA and is outserviced by a company using modified hotel rooms as their SPA, then you're going to get asked if you want a special massage, also full service is on the table too, but ridiculous pricing. Those third party spas don't offer discounts for loyalty members.

The pricing for the massage is about 350 k for one hour. They'll ask for 500 k for a HJ, but will likely give you a HJ for 300 k. Full is about 1. 2 M, but somehow they'll upcharge you to 1. 5 M especially if you switch from CFS to BBFS. My session, the girl was easily late 20's, face was 8, body was 6 (chubby, could lose 10 to 15 kg), A 6 (she was a mercenary), S 6 (short BBBJ, allowed BBFS for an upcharge, non-rushed), E 350 k+1. 5 M 60 minutes total, RR no, no though she was pretty in the face).

I did it because I wanted to find out if it was available and I ran the numbers compared to USA Pricing. Basically, it was a steal for about $125. But compared to KI and KG, way out of touch expensive.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2742350]I didn't have a chance to venture near Classic though it wasn't so far away from where I was heading. Stupid move on my part really. Part of my hesitation was that I didn't want to be the 0. 1% of people taking that stuff and get a heart attack in a place like KI or Kelapa Gading as an expatriate in Indonesia.
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There were several nights like this, and some of them worked out ok. I was pleasantly surprised that I could do 3 BBFSCIP runs within 24 hours, and no pill.[/QUOTE]3 BBFSCIP in 24 hours is impressive! Do you take any natural supplements like Honey or Maca? Any Vitamins?

I have been to Kelapa Gading many times. But never tried KI. Do you like any bar in KI?
Based on reports, the rooms in KI are dirty. The Girls in KI is a mixed bag. Is this correct?

Thanks,
~BKKguru.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2742313]
But please advise - $300.00 USD a Day? Good lord! I think you are way over-paying. Hope you recieve this as a respectful comment and not a flame because I appreciate everyone's valuable info.[/QUOTE]I very very often do, but I can't bite my tongue this time. That's not overpaying, that's just a mental illness. Nobody on earth needs to be given a month's wages for a portion of a single day. If you convert to the USA minimum wage, you've paid $1200. Which is TOTALLY FINE if it is a porn star someone has lusted over for years. I hope she was and we just weren't told that bit.

I used strong words but the point is not to offend the author, my motive is to convince other people to not participate in craziness. That's all.

Another topic. I recently went to Malio hotel twice. The upper floor is not open late and that's why I had two completely different experiences. The top floor is a bar with a live band and Mama's with lineups. If you pick on the low end of the range offered, it is 1. 2 million or so if I recall. It was worth every penny, but maybe just as a one time thrill. My first time in the city. The mama saw my friend is a real sucker, the type who'd pay $300. So she sprang a form on him and demanded he pick his tip level to her. 200,000 300,000 or 400,000. One reason it is not horrible is that you're seeing the girl you're going to get so if she don't look worth the cash just leave. But they're HOT.

Next day we went late so only the kind of strip club was open. I didn't have intel in advance about how it works so I got scared as hell when 6 9's followed me and sat down with me. I had images in my head of mafia guys leading me to an ATM and forcing me to pay 1000's USD. Don't worry guys. They just want you to buy lady drinks and will jet if you refuse. They demand exorbitant numbers of them, 5 drinks in one go to play with their tits. The girls are some of the hottest I've ever seen anywhere in 20 years mongering though, so I could be tempted to go upstairs one day. But it is way more costly than the straight mama san deal so I just wasted some cash on lady drinks and jetted. Too much good value to be had elsewhere in this amazing city, fuck it.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2742509]3 BBFSCIP in 24 hours is impressive! Do you take any natural supplements like Honey or Maca? Any Vitamins?

I have been to Kelapa Gading many times. But never tried KI. Do you like any bar in KI?
Based on reports, the rooms in KI are dirty. The Girls in KI is a mixed bag. Is this correct?

Thanks,
~BKKguru.[/QUOTE]When I google Kepla Gading it highlights an area of NE Jakarta with lots of small side streets. Whereabouts do you find the action?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2742673]When I google Kepla Gading it highlights an area of NE Jakarta with lots of small side streets. Whereabouts do you find the action?[/QUOTE]Looks on google maps for King Cross, MRT2, Delta spa, Sumo.

Indo is on my list. But I love a good, skilled strong massage. Is this a common thing?

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2742509]3 BBFSCIP in 24 hours is impressive! Do you take any natural supplements like Honey or Maca? Any Vitamins?

I have been to Kelapa Gading many times. But never tried KI. Do you like any bar in KI?
Based on reports, the rooms in KI are dirty. The Girls in KI is a mixed bag. Is this correct?

Thanks,
~BKKguru.[/QUOTE]Hey, don't get me wrong. When I hit 3 shots in 24 hours, I was pretty fucking amazed at myself. There just isn't very much good action in the USA When I'm unleashed in South East Asia, the energy is boundless. The girls think I'm handsome enough, and my USA Salary goes a hell of a long way. US $300 gets you shit in the states, and $30 gets you paradise in Jakarta. If that doesn't give you a boner, shit I don't know what will. When I'm in Indonesia, my philosophy is completely changed. Every orgasm is a gift, so I don't want to experience one that's a dud. Like a mere HJ. No, each org should be with a beauty. That's why I have no problem getting massages and when the gal offers and she's not a looker, I don't mind passing to save the jizz for the next beauty. That's actually more important to me.

I've had really incredible experiences in both KG and KI. In KI, I like all of the bars except for V-Four and the one that has the 750 k IDR girls. All the rest are great. 18 to 22 year olds galore, though most will have already had a kid and MMS will still lie about "no baby". I would say that 85% of my sessions there have been great pleasure. Young skinny cuties BBFS. 400 k + 300 k (I tip more for BBFS). Knock off 50 k if you show up early like before 5 PM or so. The rooms aren't great, but they were far from "Blitz Massage" gross. The small showers are covered with calcium and mold / mildew, the bed sheets look like they haven't been changed in a while, the lounge where you see the girls are filled with smoke and if you walk through the joint, you smell like an ashtray.

This last trip, KG was a mixed bag. If you find a 350 k girl, the cost is less and the room is much nicer. But there was a time when the 350 k girls were all busy, and the next level up was 600 k. I didn't see any particular improvement in quality. There's so many places to try at KG that it's just frustratingly overwhelming.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2742673]When I google Kepla Gading it highlights an area of NE Jakarta with lots of small side streets. Whereabouts do you find the action?[/QUOTE]Hello,

If you are going to KG for the first time, start with the Kings Cross Bar.
If you plan to return late at night (after 1 am) finding a Taxi on the street is hit and miss. Compared to the Mangga Besar area, KG is remote.

Ensure your phone is charged and you have the BlueBird Taxi App. See the Google Maps screen shot showing the Kelapa Gading complex. Good Luck!

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2742942]Hello,

If you are going to KG for the first time, start with the Kings Cross Bar.
If you plan to return late at night (after 1 am) finding a Taxi on the street is hit and miss. Compared to the Mangga Besar area, KG is remote.

Ensure your phone is charged and you have the BlueBird Taxi App. See the Google Maps screen shot showing the Kelapa Gading complex. Good Luck!

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Oh I might actually have some helpful information in this case.

When you come out of King Cross and you're facing Jl. Boulevard Bukit Gading Raya, turn left and start walking about 120 meters on that same Jl. to the short bridge that crosses over the flood river. On the other side of the flood river, which is also Jl. Boulevard Bukit Gading Raya, there's always one or two Bluebirds parked there ready to go. It seems to be the unspoken stopping point for picking up and taking home the late night horndogs in KG. Wkwkwk.

Either that, or keep your My Bluebird app handy. It's usually no longer than 7 minutes before a nearby Bluebird will show up. There are far too many malls nearby for this area to be depleted of waiting Bluebirds.

[QUOTE=DjTan;2741993]...she is law student in her 5th semester outside Jakarta, willing to travel on weekend to meet for the entire weekend as long I pay for train tickets. She is open for a trip to Bali if classes are online that week.

I like this setup, we've been chatting / calling for 3-wks, not even once she asks for money upfront. But, yes she expects money when we meet, she is happy with about $300/ night...[/QUOTE]I couldn't help but chuckle at your wording. I think it's safe to say that most Indonesian university / law school students are happy with "about $300 a night" as well as a free trip to Bali for the weekend.

In fact, most young Indonesian women would be happy with $300 a night, considering that that is more than the average monthly salary for most office and factory workers. Even less than that would be welcome - I'm sure the chance to sleep in a nice bed in a 5-star hotel with a nice bathroom for the night could be had for much less than $300.

An old story that's relevant here. I stayed at the old Hotel Indonesia in 1992 for a week for my job. One of my co-workers, who had visited Jakarta many times, took me down to the cafe / restaurant on the ground floor (left of the lobby) one night around 11 pm and the place was filled with attractive female university students drinking tea or a soft drink. He referred to them as "scholars" and said that all of them were available to be brought up to your room for the night for a reasonable amount of money (the equivalent of $20 - $25 US?). These girls did not want to be seen as working girls in any nightclub or bar but still needed to earn some money. My co-worker said that he rarely went out to a nightclub or massage parlor since he didn't need to. He had had such good luck with the scholars, said the experience was very GFE.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2743366]I couldn't help but chuckle at your wording. I think it's safe to say that most Indonesian university / law school students are happy with "about $300 a night" as well as a free trip to Bali for the weekend.

In fact, most young Indonesian women would be happy with $300 a night, considering that that is more than the average monthly salary for most office and factory workers. Even less than that would be welcome - I'm sure the chance to sleep in a nice bed in a 5-star hotel with a nice bathroom for the night could be had for much less than $300.

An old story that's relevant here. I stayed at the old Hotel Indonesia in 1992 for a week for my job. One of my co-workers, who had visited Jakarta many times, took me down to the cafe / restaurant on the ground floor (left of the lobby) one night around 11 pm and the place was filled with attractive female university students drinking tea or a soft drink. He referred to them as "scholars" and said that all of them were available to be brought up to your room for the night for a reasonable amount of money (the equivalent of $20 - $25 US?). These girls did not want to be seen as working girls in any nightclub or bar but still needed to earn some money. My co-worker said that he rarely went out to a nightclub or massage parlor since he didn't need to. He had had such good luck with the scholars, said the experience was very GFE.[/QUOTE]I chuckle too, 1992 price comparison to 2022. Sure.

I have the mean, why worry about me, not to mention I treat the experience like a journey not a destination, from courting, joke about sex all the way to the actual sex.

I am texting this girl everyday for 3-wks now and not even spend a dime on her yet; even called her 3 times on Telegram. She sent me a video of her in camisole, PG rated for now, the other day. If you need to brag about sleeping with girls at $25 a pop more power to you. I am just saying the hot girls on SA wants that rate, apparently they are not for you so be it. Just chill everyone. LOL.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2743366]

An old story that's relevant here. I stayed at the old Hotel Indonesia in 1992 for a week for my job. One of my co-workers, who had visited Jakarta many times, took me down to the cafe / restaurant on the ground floor (left of the lobby) one night around 11 pm and the place was filled with attractive female university students drinking tea or a soft drink. He referred to them as "scholars" and said that all of them were available to be brought up to your room for the night for a reasonable amount of money (the equivalent of $20 - $25 US?). These girls did not want to be seen as working girls in any nightclub or bar but still needed to earn some money. My co-worker said that he rarely went out to a nightclub or massage parlor since he didn't need to. He had had such good luck with the scholars, said the experience was very GFE.[/QUOTE]Interesting, any specific hotels nowadays to whom lobbys are full of these scholars?

[QUOTE=DjTan;2741993]I go to Jakarta for work once or twice a year before pandemic, and about to have another one in 3-wks for almost 2-mo stay.

Seeking Arrangement is my preferred media, I found university students, flight-attendant, office workers, even pros all the time there.

I am courting one right now, she is law student in her 5th semester outside Jakarta, willing to travel on weekend to meet for the entire weekend as long I pay for train tickets. She is open for trip to Bali if classes are online that week.

I like this setup, we've been chatting / calling for 3-wks, not even once she asks for money up front. But, yes she expects money when we meet, she is happy with about $300/ night.

BTW, plenty of girls at Seeking Arrangement are semi-pro / freelancers, the going rate seems to be 2-3 mil for 1-2 hour and 5 mil for overnight stay. The girls are all 8-9 in my book, not sure about services since I haven't partaken in PPM world. I like contract GF more, since I like DATY and BBBJ, as well as the pillow talk afterward.

I chat two flight-attendants on Telegram / Wahtsapp and very tempted to take them out and see how it goes but I feel more connection with this law student. It's like BF / GF, since we chat every day for hours.

Will report back in a month, hope it all works out, I don't want to pay Seeking Arrangement again until my next business trip.[/QUOTE]Used to be 3 million for LT pre-covid and even that is considered on the higher end of the scale. Their expectations have certainly increased significantly. I am planning for a trip to Jakarta in December and will be meeting the girl that I often used to bring along clubbing. Hopefully my old ppm rate with her stays that way, LOL.

I have also managed to chat with a few Jakarta girls on Seeking, but our chat would usually fall on the sideway and I don't think it will pick up again until the dates get closer. Just like you, I managed to connect with a flight attendant as well. I would be interested to see what your flight attendants would be quoting you.

[QUOTE=Pouet017;2743580]Interesting, any specific hotels nowadays to whom lobbys are full of these scholars?[/QUOTE]Would be Tinder and seeking in the new world. That is where they are.

Also. TanTan - Just like Tinder but more Indonesia / China / Philippines contestants.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2743842]Also. TanTan - Just like Tinder but more Indonesia / China / Philippines contestants.[/QUOTE]Be careful installing some of the apps that are like Social Media type. I've had one populate a Contacts list from my phone's existing contact list and connected me with a work colleague. Needless to say, we were both embarrassed wondering "What the hell are you doing on this app?" I immediately deleted the app. Can't for the life of me remember the name of it, but it was one of those Social Media apps used basically to hook up or to find open bookings.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2743701]Would be Tinder and seeking in the new world. That is where they are.[/QUOTE]OK thanks, I was unsure about SA. To be honest I was too lazy to reactivate my account (already had my sugarbaby in France) and turn my bio from french to english; maybe it would worse the effort. 12 more days to wait before arriving in Jakarta.

I matched a student girl in IndonesianCupid, a little but shy, poor english. She first joking about sugardating because it is not the website for this, until I propose an arrangement she accepted; unfortunately she can't stay the night she's still living with her strict parents' rules.

We're texting each other using wassap (with very simple english) and she sends frequently regular (ie. Too much clothes) pics of her. I think that I finally break the ice, I received a few pics of her naked body.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2743938]Be careful installing some of the apps that are like Social Media type. I've had one populate a Contacts list from my phone's existing contact list and connected me with a work colleague. Needless to say, we were both embarrassed wondering "What the hell are you doing on this app?" I immediately deleted the app. Can't for the life of me remember the name of it, but it was one of those Social Media apps used basically to hook up or to find open bookings.[/QUOTE]Careful is the word for today's smartphones. As far as I'm concerned I strictly separate my work phone from my personal phone; handling 2 smartphones is bitchy but I didn't make mistake yet.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2743701]Would be Tinder and seeking in the new world. That is where they are.[/QUOTE]I agree, you can't go wrong with Tinder if you're looking for non-pro and semi pros (and full-on pro-pros if it comes to that).

We no longer need to hang out in malls, hoping to make eye contact, or flirting with the perfume squirters, spending an hour over coffee, tentatively sizing each other up, we don't have to dress up fine and hang out in hotel bars wondering "Is she or isn't she?" You can lay all the essential groundwork, get all the preliminaries out of the way while you are at your desk at work or having a dump on the toilet. Everything done and dusted and expectations cleared up before you even meet. Just don't be shy, don't faff about, if she says she's willing to meet you and remuneration is expected then she has made clear who and what she is. Just get on with it and settle the negotiations and don't agonize over whether she's a good girl who you've turned bad, as I said before you won't be her first spin on the Ferris wheel.

Oh, and as recommended below, get a cheap burner phone (can be had for $40 or less) and a throwaway SIM card, no need for them to have access to your real number, but then, do I really need to explain the basics to a forum of mongers?

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2743366]I couldn't help but chuckle at your wording. I think it's safe to say that most Indonesian university / law school students are happy with "about $300 a night" as well as a free trip to Bali for the weekend.

In fact, most young Indonesian women would be happy with $300 a night, considering that that is more than the average monthly salary for most office and factory workers. Even less than that would be welcome - I'm sure the chance to sleep in a nice bed in a 5-star hotel with a nice bathroom for the night could be had for much less than $300.

An old story that's relevant here. I stayed at the old Hotel Indonesia in 1992 for a week for my job. One of my co-workers, who had visited Jakarta many times, took me down to the cafe / restaurant on the ground floor (left of the lobby) one night around 11 pm and the place was filled with attractive female university students drinking tea or a soft drink. He referred to them as "scholars" and said that all of them were available to be brought up to your room for the night for a reasonable amount of money (the equivalent of $20 - $25 US?). These girls did not want to be seen as working girls in any nightclub or bar but still needed to earn some money. My co-worker said that he rarely went out to a nightclub or massage parlor since he didn't need to. He had had such good luck with the scholars, said the experience was very GFE.[/QUOTE]

Many international tourists come to Jakarta do not do their research thinking that it is reasonable to pay $300 a night as they are comparing to what they would have paid in their own countries. Many of them are just coming once in a few years or even once in their lifetime. These people are actually destroying the market. It is not good for everyone.

[URL]https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/jakarta-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0[/URL], 7_IM1045_KO8,16. Htm? CountryRedirect=true.

The average salary of an Engineer in Jakarta is IDR 8,100,654 per month in the Jakarta, that is equivalent to $540 a month. Also keep in mind that is an engineer Job, Not average job that could be done by ordinary people without a proper skills and higher education. Also you will still need to deduct it with income tax. So $300 might be a month salary for ordinary worker. The inium salary in Jakarta in 2022 is Rp4.573.845.
https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/indonesia-62154251 (use google translate)
So For $300 a night it is mad to think that average Indonesian will ever consider that. They are very lucky if Indonesian people would ever want to pay for half of it $150 a night.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2743366]I couldn't help but chuckle at your wording. I think it's safe to say that most Indonesian university / law school students are happy with "about $300 a night" as well as a free trip to Bali for the weekend.

In fact, most young Indonesian women would be happy with $300 a night, considering that that is more than the average monthly salary for most office and factory workers. Even less than that would be welcome - I'm sure the chance to sleep in a nice bed in a 5-star hotel with a nice bathroom for the night could be had for much less than $300.

[/QUOTE]Please, please, please. I beg you Sir, to never go to Indonesia and pay this sort of money. It's beyond ridiculous. It destroys the market for everyone else, including the locals. It creates a massive price inflation for pussy.

People from pussy-prison countries like the US, land in places like this and have no concept of what the market rate is and fuck it up for the rest of us. Don't throw your cash around, don't excessively overpay and for fucks sake don't be part of the "I tip well" brigade. Leave that attitude back at home.

Three years ago, I was banging a lot of civvies there but took a couple of semi-WG's too. One was $25 for 4-12 hours of fun, including her willingly (and without prompting) cleaning my apartment whilst I was in the shower and giving me a proper massage after we had fucked for a long time. She also cooked me nice meals too and sometimes stayed overnight. Another was a sub, who would stay for 2-days-1-night for $60 and loved being dominated, spanked, and treated rough.

I wonder how much an HIV test in Jakarta and / or in Indonesia will cost??

In other countries such as in Germany, the organisers will arrange a quick HIV test on the spot before they allow people to join the BBFS - CIP party. It costs EUR30, so presumably the true cost must be around that.

When you meet a civvy girl via seeking arrangement, tinder or other social networking sites. Could you not ask them to have an HIV test get certificate (or the like) and you pay for it, This is to reduced the risk significantly of getting life threatening incurable infection??

[QUOTE=Adindas;2744644]I wonder how much an HIV test in Jakarta and / or in Indonesia will cost??

When you meet a civvy girl via seeking arrangement, tinder or other social networking sites. Could you not ask them to have an HIV test get certificate (or the like) and you pay for it, This is to reduced the risk significantly of getting life threatening incurable infection??[/QUOTE]Correct me If I'm wrong but If she has been recently infected few days back this will also not show up on the test. I think you have to have tested negative for 3 months on constant basis to be sure if you are really negative or not?

[QUOTE=CallSignRomeo;2744710]Correct me If I'm wrong but If she has been recently infected few days back this will also not show up on the test. I think you have to have tested negative for 3 months on constant basis to be sure if you are really negative or not?[/QUOTE]I was looking at visiting Thailand for an extended period and looked at HIV testing so that I could chose a girl and bareback her for the duration. I believe that the latest tests can pick up an infection after about 10 days, so worst case scenario it's covered up for 10 days and then uncovered all the way.

[QUOTE=Zanny;2744672]If you want to protect yourself, you need to take holiday PrEP like I did. I mentioned it in my trip report. A certificate can be faked, and it doesn't make sense for a short time holiday fuck.

I had a good massage from a few chicks, one at Halomas Aloha and another at Sugar Spa. But if you really want a good massage, best to go to a place called a Refleski, essentially the menu will have "reflexology" or "full body" at these places. Reflexology is like 75% of the time a foot massage, in a chair, then the chair goes flat and you get a bit of a back workout and head massage and body stretch. Full body is more expensive and has a proper massage bed but is too pricey for Jakarta.

Can read about PrEP and and massages and see a map of Refleski places on my map: [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/edit?mid=1otTyUwFhqAMfy3fA8NDfarH5RkBEnTA&usp=sharing[/URL].

I was in Jakarta a few weeks ago and have to write up my second trip report. Coming soon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the link.

The main point against PrEP is that, it is a very strong drug and you will need to take it for about a week in order to be effective.

[URL]https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep/[/URL]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnZS6CtLqu8

Regarding testing, indeed they could be faked but the incentive of doing is low as the cost of oral testing is cheap.
Another alternative with a lower accuracy might be to buy oral test kit, where people could do it for themselves.

https://www.chemist-4-u.com/oraquick-hiv

I believe it is like quick Swap test with Covid-19?

I do not know about the US, but I know that male / female pornstars in Europe are using HIV testing before engaging in BBFS CIP scenes. They do not take PrEP.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2744792]Thanks for the link.

The main point against PrEP is that, it is a very strong drug and you will need to take it for about a week in order to be effective.

[URL]https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep/[/URL]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnZS6CtLqu8

Regarding testing, indeed they could be faked but the incentive of doing is low as the cost of oral testing is cheap.
Another alternative with a lower accuracy might be to buy oral test kit, where people could do it for themselves.

https://www.chemist-4-u.com/oraquick-hiv

I believe it is like quick Swap test with Covid-19?

I do not know about the US, but I know that male / female pornstars in Europe are using HIV testing before engaging in BBFS CIP scenes. They do not take PrEP.[/QUOTE]Don't forget that Indonesia is still a majority Muslim country, which means that it is still a conservative country. Logistically, it will be a challenge for one to find a lab that can conduct HIV testing for you quickly and discreetly, but not to say there is none to be found. Just do your STD test in Germany and show it to the girls for a peace of their mind.

Having said that, you might get similar challenges from regular girls getting STD tests for you. I have only ever seen one girl's profile in seeking from Jakarta that demanded you do STD test before anything else and she was looking for a long term arrangement.

It is actually ironic that girls in brothels like those in spas and clubs in Jakarta actually get tested more frequently as mandated by the establishment. The establishment usually have their own doctors doing their regular rounds taking swabs and samples from the girls for testing. If the girls are tested positive with STD, they are out. By that standard, one could say they are actually less risky.

In any case, make your own assessment and decision based on your risk tolerance. If in doubt, get it covered.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2744483]Many international tourists come to Jakarta do not do their research thinking that it is reasonable to pay $300 a night as they are comparing to what they would have paid in their own countries. Many of them are just coming once in a few years or even once in their lifetime. These people are actually destroying the market. It is not good for everyone.

[URL]https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/jakarta-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0[/URL], 7_IM1045_KO8,16. Htm? CountryRedirect=true.

The average salary of an Engineer in Jakarta is IDR 8,100,654 per month in the Jakarta, that is equivalent to $540 a month. Also keep in mind that is an engineer Job, Not average job that could be done by ordinary people without a proper skills and higher education. Also you will still need to deduct it with income tax. So $300 might be a month salary for ordinary worker. The inium salary in Jakarta in 2022 is Rp4.573.845.
https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/indonesia-62154251 (use google translate)
So For $300 a night it is mad to think that average Indonesian will ever consider that. They are very lucky if Indonesian people would ever want to pay for half of it $150 a night.[/QUOTE]I doubt you are familiar with the Jakarta scene. You are using information like these to make assumptions. There are many wealthy professionals, businessmen etc in the area usually seeking out city cosmopolitan girl. And de facto market rates are often established by what they are able to get in the market. I have local friends in Jakarta who are familiar with these scenes. $300 is actually not unreasonable over there. Again, it depends what kind of girl you want to get.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2744899]I doubt you are familiar with the Jakarta scene. You are using information like these to make assumptions. There are many wealthy professionals, businessmen etc in the area usually seeking out city cosmopolitan girl. And de facto market rates are often established by what they are able to get in the market. I have local friends in Jakarta who are familiar with these scenes. $300 is actually not unreasonable over there. Again, it depends what kind of girl you want to get.[/QUOTE]
If you notice I am talking about average Indonesian. This is what make up the market and not the tiny percentage of wealthy Indonesians.

I never said there are not wealthy Indonesian seeking for the high class escorts. Like anywhere In the world there are always high class escorts, courtesans, etc. But Do these very wealthy Indonesian people go to Kota Indah, King-cross, Kelapa Gading (KG) Jakarta where they could easily travel abroad anywhere they want to or book the movie stars?
The Rate of US$300 that we are talking here is about ordinary Indonesian student, which you see a lot of them in the shopping malls. She is not a high class escort, or courtesans or movie star. celebrity. It is widely known that many Indonesian students in Jakarta are working as an escort. The salary range and minimum salary in Jakarta that I quoted before is coming from reputable site for professionals.
I am familiar with Jakarta and Indonesian scene In general and I speak Indonesian fluently. I know the average salary of an Indonesian engineer and/or other professionals.
Also do not forget these wealthy Indonesian could easily travel abroad anytime, anywhere they want to. But what are the percentage of them??

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2744895]Don't forget that Indonesia is still a majority Muslim country, which means that it is still a conservative country. Logistically, it will be a challenge for one to find a lab that can conduct HIV testing for you quickly and discreetly, but not to say there is none to be found. Just do your STD test in Germany and show it to the girls for a peace of their mind.

Having said that, you might get similar challenges from regular girls getting STD tests for you. I have only ever seen one girl's profile in seeking from Jakarta that demanded you do STD test before anything else and she was looking for a long term arrangement.

It is actually ironic that girls in brothels like those in spas and clubs in Jakarta actually get tested more frequently as mandated by the establishment. The establishment usually have their own doctors doing their regular rounds taking swabs and samples from the girls for testing. If the girls are tested positive with STD, they are out. By that standard, one could say they are actually less risky.

In any case, make your own assessment and decision based on your risk tolerance. If in doubt, get it covered.[/QUOTE]
I know it is a common practice that Indonesian people do not use protection when they visit a brothel, spa, or RLD in Indonesia all the time Indonesia. I also know that the majority of the girls in the brothels, spas, or RLDs, night clubs never ask for it when people do engage in unprotected sex, BBFS - CIP.

Some foreigners are engaging in BBFS. CIP as they might forget about the risk of getting life threatening infections. But the point here is that HIV testing is for both parties, not only for the the men but also for the girls.

Also differentiate between getting regular test for STD like Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, etc are not the same with getting HIV test. These tye of disease infections could easily be recognised even without doing testing. Should the sex workers in Indonesia get regular HIV test, there would be many more people would want to engage in unprotected sex without hesitation.
I never heard that sex workers in Indonesia get regular check for HIV. Should the sex workers in Indonesia get HIV test regularly there should not be any problem to do BBFS.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2744902]If you notice I am talking about average Indonesian. This is what make up the market and not the tiny percentage of wealthy Indonesians.

I never said there are not wealthy Indonesian seeking for the high class escorts. Like anywhere In the world there are always be high class escort courtesans, etc. Do these very wealthy Indonesian people go to Kota Indah, Kingcross, Kelapa Gading (KG) Jakarta where they could easily travel abroad anywhere they want to or book the movie stars?
The Rate of US$300 that we area talking here is about ordinary Indonesian student, not a high class escort, or courtesans or movie stars, celebrities. It is widely known that many Indonesian students in Jakarta are working as an escort. The salary range and minimum salary in Jakarta that I quoted is coming from reputable site for professionals.
I am very familiar with Jakarta and Indonesian scene In general and I speak Indonesian fluently. I know the average salary of an Indonesian engineer and/or other professionals.
Also do not forget these wealthy Indonesian could easily travel abroad anytime, anywhere they want to. But what are the percentage of them??[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with you on some aspects. I have mentioned that it depends on what kind of girl one is looking for. There are the down market like KI or Classic where girls sold and work out of contractual bondage and from the kampung. Then there are freelancers and the sugar babies from the city. Since you speak Bahasa, then I assume you know more about Jakarta than originally thought and know what I am talking about. The rate expectations have definitely increased significantly since covid. Also, I don't think $300 will get one anywhere close to any movie stars and celebrities, LOL. Also, wealthy Indonesians usually tend to keep their own sugar babies locally.

Hello all, currently planning a trip for Jan 2023, and am considering adding Indonesia to the list for 5 - 7 days. I've been reading through the Jakarta and Bali forums, was wondering if the seniors can offer any advice / recommendations.

Seems like the activities are generally more decentralized and online in Jakarta compared to BKK. Would you guys strongly recommend against staying in central Jakarta? I'm currently looking at the JW Marriott or Hyatt as I have status with them, but they seem quite far away from the locations mentioned in this thread.

Many of you seem to speak positively of the idea of bringing a girl from Jakarta to Bali. Would you guys recommend this approach given limited time to scout the talent? FWIW, I speak no Bahasa, plan on using SA / Tinder, and am thinking maybe 2 days in Jakarta before heading out to Bali.

Any other advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2747166]

Many of you seem to speak positively of the idea of bringing a girl from Jakarta to Bali. Would you guys recommend this approach given limited time to scout the talent? FWIW, I speak no Bahasa, plan on using SA / Tinder, and am thinking maybe 2 days in Jakarta before heading out to Bali..[/QUOTE]Check your PMs. Speaking Bahasa would widen the field but will not be a show stopper for you. Personally, I would be targeting the more civilian / part-time end of the market. SA, and to some extent Tinder, generally have the more beautiful but far more commercial end of the market. This not only affects price expectations but also service levels, especially when she knows you are stuck with her and have very few options to return / exchange her once in Bali A quiet girl, who has never seen a plane seat before will be awe struck and say thanks in all the right ways. A girl who has seen numerous Business Class flights to Dubai, not so much.

Civilian options are Indonesian Cupid, Facebook, and even food halls in malls. Don't discount simply meeting girls in malls, food halls, McDs etc. Indonesians are amazingly approachable if you are reasonably out going, respectful and chatty. Asking a girl to help showing you around or translating can be a great ice breaker / leg opener.

Enjoy. G.

Has anyone tried Blowart at Kelapa Gading? How are the facilities, the girls and the service?

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2731279]Here are some of my thoughts.

1. Almost impossible. The scene is too spread out. Check out Zanny's Jakarta map and you can see why.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1M1JL4NkmeHJ-Yi0rRrTQcaCpxXq4bSbw&ll=-6.18866282134803%2C106.89928062800591&z=12[/URL]

That being said, Mangga Besar area is a good central place and you could be in walking distance of a few places like Hotel Travel and DK Mabes. Classic and Malio would at least be an ojek ride.

Some budget hotel suggestions, Sparks Hotel and Hotel Permai. Novotel Gadjah Madah or Grand Mercure Harmoni are western quality. Harris Vertu is also nice.

2. There aren't any western style strip clubs in Jakarta. Or Thailand / AC style go go bars. Ladies typically sit around on couches or chairs and wait to be picked. You can also bring them to a table, buy them a drink and chat with them. They don't make money off the drinks like they do in AC or Thailand. So take them upstairs and fuck them or cut them loose.

Malio Hotel and King Cross use to have all nude dancers, but I think those days are gone. Classic after a certain hour has drink **** type roaming dancers where for 50 K they may pull out their tits and let you feel them up for a few minutes. Malio still has the drink **** ladies too for 65 K in the club area in the back. The dancers on stage at Malio typically aren't completely nude anymore. But at least you can look at dancers. Classic may also still have some dancers to look at after a certain hour. They usually rotate between a band and dancers.

3. A lot of the fucking in Jakarta is on site. You can book ladies out from King Cross, Travel, Classic etc. But it tends to be a lot more expensive than the on site options. For example. 1 on site fuck at Classic is either 350 or 385 K. I booked out a lady from Classic recently I think for 7 X 350 K till 8 am the next morning. I got my money's worth. Almost any of the mainstream places here talked about should have a BO (booking out) if you click with the lady and she agrees to go with you. Talk to the mamasan for the price. It will vary depending on what time it is. It gets cheaper later. I would at least take the lady upstairs once though to see how you get along and how the sex is. I wouldn't just start with the booking.

4. Avoid karaoke and the nightclubs then. But you could still try options like Basque or Bats (if they are open) and just just talk to the ladies and ask them how much they want. Lots of freelancers there.

5. This isn't the ripoff coyote dancer scene on Soi Cowboy in Thailand or Fields in AC where you run in cherry girls who don't barfine. If there are ladies at a place in Jakarta, they fuck and that is why they are there. Some may be onsite fucking only. But you can fuck. But a lot of places have BO if you ask and are willing to pay.

Blok M is dead as far as I am aware. If the's Place in Blok M is still around (I haven't been there in years) they have dancers and a private room in the back where you could get frisky with the ladies. But I would not go to Jakarta to spend time at Blok M.

Mangga Besar is where you want to stay with a trip out to Kelapa Gading and King Cross, MTR2, Vermouth, Sumo etc.

Also check out one of the Blowart places if you want a BBBJCIM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2741092]You seem to have touched upon one of the paradoxes of our craft here. Whilst we are happy to spread our seed far and wide. The other side is generally known to be searching for security, money, babies, happiness, travel and shopping experiences.

Could there be something in your profile that doesn't explain sufficiently what you are hoping to find in Indonesia? Or are you able to satisfy some of these whilst making clear that the babies and marriage might be contingent on a number of other things falling into place.

The truth is, you guys put in all this "thrill of the chase", preliminary work and it all goes out the window when you land because it's always a dynamic situation on the ground. If it keeps you happy go hard but it's mostly all blah blah blah.

OS has a strict policy of "Try before you buy" for any ladies who may wish to procreate with his magnificent genes. You may wish to communicate this a little more clearly to your keyboard liaison's.

Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Yes, mostly blah blah blah that is hard to disentangle from real intent. Indonesians are masters of mind reading and evasion, and this is well nigh impossible to explicate via texting. Even with many years of experience and fluency in Indonesian, it can be hard to have a meeting of minds. Nontheless, having engaged in several LTRs here, the sex is astonishing -- self-lubricating pulsating pussy sensational BBBJCIM, etc, a dream not attainable in US, Australia, or Europe for someone of my age. And how much of what we get from western women is 'blah blah blah'? A lot, really, but advertised as 'honesty'. Superficial, at best. At least Indonesian women have the self awareness to know that are negotiating, and re-negotiating with the likes of us. And if many of us are often out-gamed and out-played, the pursuit is great fun, as always incisive OS notes.

I arrived at KC around 8 pm. Entry was smooth. Clean place. Modern.

They put a sticker over your camera lens on your phone to ensure no pictures. *.

78 k entry. Pay upon exit. They issue a a card to charge for everything, including the girls.

First floor pool tables. 8 chicas lounging or with guys. Some looked good. Most seemed bored. I got the impression this was where the girls went that were on their periods haha. *.

Hotel second floor. I didn't see any of the rooms but I was told by one chica that they are very clean.

Massage and theatre third floor. I was told this wasnt used anymore.

Third floor is the club with a lot of tables and music. 30 plus women, dressed well, lounging around, all on one side. Super super reasonable prices for food and drinks. Food menu is limited though. Beer selection is light as well. Lots of choices for bottles. Maybe 5 dudes on this floor at 8 pm.

Waiters and all workers super friendly. Basic English. Cocktails around 240 k.

You sign receipts for everything you order. Love that.

The club level is somewhat smoky. I'm sure it gets worse with more people.

Mamasan roams around and will bring a girl or a group of girls over for a line up at your table. She was quick to use her translator.

Don't expect the women to speak anything beyond very basic English.

A group of 5 dancers with matching outfits, danced. Lingerie. Danced a million songs and didn't get naked. Lame.

Live music on this Tuesday night. Maybe every night?

By 10 pm the girls remaining on the couch look worn out from sitting all night smoking and just scrolling on their phones.

Super passive ladies on the couch. * I really only talked to one chica and she said there are categories of women. The dancers are the most expensive to take to the room. 1,250,000. The other categories are 350 k and 1,100,000. I didn't confirm this with mamasan. *.

Only the dancer category is obvious as they are dressed as a group. The Mamasan will tell you which category a girl is in. No clue what the system is but it seems shady.

I asked the chica I talked to if she changes categories and she said yes. **.

On this night 2 sets of 5 dancers*.

Chica said most girls have worked there 2-3-4 years*.

Closes at 2 am, google wrong*.

I left just before midnight. 700 K total damages with food and a lot of beer and drinks for the one chica I sat with but didn't take to a room.

Misc.

Community comb in the bathroom. Nasty.

DJ looks like he is working out of a buffet table. Haha.

MTR2- Bar around the corner.

Beers more expensive.

But it's much more of a party scene. Girls free to roam and drink and a cool female DJ.

Smoky AF.

Enjoy.

Taco.

As told previously somewhere in this forum, I finally arrived in Jakarta at the end of September for a few days.

Thanks to Zanny's map, I tried some massage salons and clubs and New Sari Ayu was the one which I spent most of my evenings (subject of this report).

The first time I went to S. A (short name used by the girls) I was quickly grabbed by a mamasan who take care of me: she instantly proposed to find a girl "slim, young, big boobs" (obviously the standard search) : 400 K rupiah for 1 girl, 1 hour, 1 shot.

OK for this search, told mamasan that I'll get a beer (1 M rupiah for a big bottle of Bali Hai) and make a round: all girls (about 30 to 40 girls) were packed in a small area. Go back to my seat and mamasan showed me a perfect search match: slim, young, big boobs.

Google translate is the saviour: after small talk using my phone, share my beer with the lady, we go upstairs. Girl and service were good, she seems to appreciate spending time with me, moaning and shaking seems not to be fake.

Reproduced the same pattern from 2 to 3 times per evening during 3 evenings: beer, share beer or pay a drink to the lady, talk with google translate, upstairs, tip the lady from 100 K to 200 K (depending how the service was).

I also had some nice talks with the barmans (with google translate) : very friendly and discussions let me some rest after a session with a girl before renewing the experience.

I usually buy a small Bali Hai beer for 46 K rupiah and let the remaining 4 K in the tips box. Before leaving the bar, I give a bigger amount in the tip box because they were very friendly: they sometimes share with me their meals to let me taste indo eating's.

About the ladys, usually young and nice looking, most of them appreciate time spent with me, one of her told me that I gave her her 8th orgasm (very funny situation, because she was so shy at this time that she took time to write it on my phone with my google translate app).

Another unusual situation, one of the ladies likes me so much that she proposed me a date: we spent some time together (speaking all the time with google translate: I looked like a deaf and mute person), ordered food in my hotel room with GoFood and have s*x multiple times. Much more like a sugardating than a regular dating, but I'm ok with that.

She told me that I began to have a reputation among the girls; they called me "Perancis" (is my first name, Perancis is French in Bahasa).

Haha, Jakarta was fun, so sad to leave this city.

[QUOTE=Pouet017;2752734]As told previously somewhere in this forum, I finally arrived in Jakarta at the end of September for a few days.

Thanks to Zanny's map, I tried some massage salons and clubs and New Sari Ayu was the one which I spent most of my evenings (subject of this report).

The first time I went to S. A (short name used by the girls) I was quickly grabbed by a mamasan who take care of me: she instantly proposed to find a girl "slim, young, big boobs" (obviously the standard search) : 400 K rupiah for 1 girl, 1 hour, 1 shot.

OK for this search, told mamasan that I'll get a beer (1 M rupiah for a big bottle of Bali Hai) and make a round: all girls (about 30 to 40 girls) were packed in a small area. Go back to my seat and mamasan showed me a perfect search match: slim, young, big boobs.

Google translate is the saviour: after small talk using my phone, share my beer with the lady, we go upstairs. Girl and service were good, she seems to appreciate spending time with me, moaning and shaking seems not to be fake..[/QUOTE]Nice report. Where is the map you are referring to?

Any hotel recommendations that are within walking distance to the New Sari Ayu?

[QUOTE=Shamester;2752843]Any hotel recommendations that are within walking distance to the New Sari Ayu?[/QUOTE]Manggis Inn.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2752840]Nice report. Where is the map you are referring to?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1otTyUwFhqAMfy3fA8NDfarH5RkBEnTA&ll=-6.194299726540911%2C106.7812375&z=11[/URL]

Thanks for the well timed report, I will be there in a couple of weeks and this sounds perfect to me

[QUOTE=Pouet017;2752734]As told previously somewhere in this forum, I finally arrived in Jakarta at the end of September for a few days.

Thanks to Zanny's map, I tried some massage salons and clubs and New Sari Ayu was the one which I spent most of my evenings (subject of this report).

Jakarta was fun, so sad to leave this city.[/QUOTE].

Thank you Pouet017.

If able / willing to respond. How is the condom policy at Sari Ayu? Is it up to the monger still? Thank you and appreciate your current intel.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2752926]Thank you Pouet017.

If able / willing to respond. How is the condom policy at Sari Ayu? Is it up to the monger still? Thank you and appreciate your current intel.[/QUOTE]Condom is included: guys managing the rooms give a small bottle of shower soap and a condom to the lady for each session.

The lady also got some spare condoms in her bag: once with one girl, we were so hot in kissing and sucking that we lost the condom. She took another one from her bag.

[QUOTE=Tacoma101;2752679]I arrived at KC around 8 pm. Entry was smooth. Clean place. Modern.

They put a sticker over your camera lens on your phone to ensure no pictures. *.

78 k entry. Pay upon exit. They issue a a card to charge for everything, including the girls.

First floor pool tables. 8 chicas lounging or with guys. Some looked good. Most seemed bored. I got the impression this was where the girls went that were on their periods haha. *.

Hotel second floor. I didn't see any of the rooms but I was told by one chica that they are very clean.

Massage and theatre third floor. I was told this wasnt used anymore.

Third floor is the club with a lot of tables and music. 30 plus women, dressed well, lounging around, all on one side. Super super reasonable prices for food and drinks. Food menu is limited though. Beer selection is light as well. Lots of choices for bottles. Maybe 5 dudes on this floor at 8 pm.

Waiters and all workers super friendly. Basic English. Cocktails around 240 k.

You sign receipts for everything you order. Love that.

The club level is somewhat smoky. I'm sure it gets worse with more people.

Mamasan roams around and will bring a girl or a group of girls over for a line up at your table. She was quick to use her translator.

Don't expect the women to speak anything beyond very basic English.

A group of 5 dancers with matching outfits, danced. Lingerie. Danced a million songs and didn't get naked. Lame.

Live music on this Tuesday night. Maybe every night?

By 10 pm the girls remaining on the couch look worn out from sitting all night smoking and just scrolling on their phones.

Super passive ladies on the couch. * I really only talked to one chica and she said there are categories of women. The dancers are the most expensive to take to the room. 1,250,000. The other categories are 350 k and 1,100,000. I didn't confirm this with mamasan. *.

Only the dancer category is obvious as they are dressed as a group. The Mamasan will tell you which category a girl is in. No clue what the system is but it seems shady.

I asked the chica I talked to if she changes categories and she said yes. **.

On this night 2 sets of 5 dancers*.

Chica said most girls have worked there 2-3-4 years*.

Closes at 2 am, google wrong*.

I left just before midnight. 700 K total damages with food and a lot of beer and drinks for the one chica I sat with but didn't take to a room.

Misc.

Community comb in the bathroom. Nasty.

DJ looks like he is working out of a buffet table. Haha.

MTR2- Bar around the corner.

Beers more expensive.

But it's much more of a party scene. Girls free to roam and drink and a cool female DJ.

Smoky AF.

Enjoy.

Taco.[/QUOTE]Very accurate report. I'll add that there's also a 600 k tier. The live music room is pretty big like a club, it was filled with guys when I was there, and still twice to thrice as many girls available. Loud as fuck inside. No way you could hear MMS tell you anything. No consistent level of beauty for pricing tier. Some 350 k girls were prettier than 600 k girls. Maybe coincidental, but when I took one of the 600 k girls, the room was cleaner, bigger, nicer. But I only did this one time, and 5 times with the 350 k girls (different nights). The 350 k girls got the same shitty style room. The 600 k girl got the nicer room.

[QUOTE=Pouet017;2752972]Condom is included: guys managing the rooms give a small bottle of shower soap and a condom to the lady for each session.

The lady also got some spare condoms in her bag: once with one girl, we were so hot in kissing and sucking that we lost the condom. She took another one from her bag.[/QUOTE]What GB wanted to know and others too is that if the BBFS option is still available or not? She can have 10 condoms in her bag it s up to her but if I don't want any does she agree or not?

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2753136]What GB wanted to know and others too is that if the BBFS option is still available or not? She can have 10 condoms in her bag it s up to her but if I don't want any does she agree or not?[/QUOTE]Yes indeed! Thank you guys for your boots on the ground reporting! I don't want to discourage posters from providing valuable info. But you are correct. I want bareback sessions, nothing less. Was just curious if the ladies here would accommodate?

Had a quick trip to Jakarta this week so decided to visit BATS to see how it was recovering. Went on a Tuesday night. I'd say the place was about a third full, good selection of girls, but I would have placed them primarily in the 30+ age group. Well the ones I remember, I had been out for a few beers with friends before hand. There were some definite lookers and plenty of opportunities.

First girl I spoke to asked for 10 M, burst out laughing, that was an expensive piece of pussy, and when somebody quotes that much I don't even bother trying to knock her down. Chatted with a few other ladies and and then my phone beeped and it was a message from an old acquaintance asking if I was in BATS. A quick look around, and there she was sitting behind me. First picked this lady up over 11 years ago, and used to fly her into KL when I visited there. Anyway, she looked as if she hadn't aged a bit, had an adopted son but no kids born naturally and still looked after herself, so decided to renew an old acquaintance.

A few drinks later it was a very drunken drive in her car back to the hotel for a night and late morning of fun. Handed her a crisp 100 $ bill at the end of it. The same I had always given for her services.

There's definitely fun to be had in BATS, didn't get the chance to visit on Wednesday night, which I am sure is ladies night. They have an expat band, but nowhere near as good as the ones I remember. Wasn't asked to pay an entry fee, which used to be normal with a free drink.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2752853]Manggis Inn.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion. Are any 3 to 4-star options also within walking distance?

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2753186]Had a quick trip to Jakarta this week so decided to visit BATS to see how it was recovering. Went on a Tuesday night. I'd say the place was about a third full, good selection of girls, but I would have placed them primarily in the 30+ age group. Well the ones I remember, I had been out for a few beers with friends before hand. There were some definite lookers and plenty of opportunities.

First girl I spoke to asked for 10 M, burst out laughing, that was an expensive piece of pussy, and when somebody quotes that much I don't even bother trying to knock her down. Chatted with a few other ladies and and then my phone beeped and it was a message from an old acquaintance asking if I was in BATS. A quick look around, and there she was sitting behind me. First picked this lady up over 11 years ago, and used to fly her into KL when I visited there. Anyway, she looked as if she hadn't aged a bit, had an adopted son but no kids born naturally and still looked after herself, so decided to renew an old acquaintance.

A few drinks later it was a very drunken drive in her car back to the hotel for a night and late morning of fun. Handed her a crisp 100 $ bill at the end of it. The same I had always given for her services.

There's definitely fun to be had in BATS, didn't get the chance to visit on Wednesday night, which I am sure is ladies night. They have an expat band, but nowhere near as good as the ones I remember. Wasn't asked to pay an entry fee, which used to be normal with a free drink.[/QUOTE]
IDR10 m ($650) vs $100 at the same place, well done. 10 mil IDR for many people in Jakarta is more than two months salary. There is no way the vast majority of local people would want to pay that rate.

This is another example how getting well informed do your own desk-work is the best way to avoid getting conned. There are still many people in Jakarta are working on minimum wage, especially those coming from neighbouring small cities, villages. The minimum wage in Jakarta is IDR 4,416,186,

[QUOTE=Shamester;2753221]Thanks for the suggestion. Are any 3 to 4-star options also within walking distance?[/QUOTE]The mangga besar lockup has a negative 5 star rating. They rate their catches there according to how much they think they can wring out of you to set you free for the misdemeanor they think you are guilty of. KI is a fertile hunting ground for BNN raids.

You have to understand theres a lot of layers to the onion in that complex.

I've been corresponding with a girl from Jakarta on 'Seeking' and she suggested moving to Telegram to discuss the juicy details. However, the phone number she gave me had a UAE country code (971). I'm not an expert on Telegram, but from a laymans point of view this looks suspicious. Should I be concerned that I'm being set up for a con?

Hi any update on bars in Blok M is My Bar open for business?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2753805]I've been corresponding with a girl from Jakarta on 'Seeking' and she suggested moving to Telegram to discuss the juicy details. However, the phone number she gave me had a UAE country code (971). I'm not an expert on Telegram, but from a laymans point of view this looks suspicious. Should I be concerned that I'm being set up for a con?[/QUOTE]Two totally plausible options:

Many Indo girls go overseas to work for a contract or two, sign up for a web based messaging app for free calls home while there, then keep the same number after returning. Remember the app number stays the same even across different phones, SIM cards, phone numbers etc.

She has / had a contract wedding with a UAE guy who gave her a phone for contact. Again, very common where the guy will come to Indo, "marry" a girl for a week or two. Any "support" is then halal and not seen as prostitution by the church or state. It's a big business.

Personally, I wouldn't be concerned. Just take the usual precautions around prepayments, money up front etc.

Enjoy. G.

#boba*.

#bojak*.

What's the hit or miss chances of these hashtag girls profiles. Someone please throw some light on this.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2753889]Two totally plausible options:

Many Indo girls go overseas to work for a contract or two, sign up for a web based messaging app for free calls home while there, then keep the same number after returning. Remember the app number stays the same even across different phones, SIM cards, phone numbers etc.

She has / had a contract wedding with a UAE guy who gave her a phone for contact. Again, very common where the guy will come to Indo, "marry" a girl for a week or two. Any "support" is then halal and not seen as prostitution by the church or state. It's a big business.

Personally, I wouldn't be concerned. Just take the usual precautions around prepayments, money up front etc.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

I'm chatting with an Indo girl on Telegram and she wants to know how much I will pay her (post earlier suggested that Seeking girls are normally looking for 1. 8 - 2 m Rupiah). I don't want to low ball her (would love to give her a good seeing to), but am wondering where I should place my first bid.

Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=UltimateBliss;2753932]#boba*.

#bojak*.

What's the hit or miss chances of these hashtag girls profiles. Someone please throw some light on this.[/QUOTE]Indonesians often abbreviate or compound words into shorter versions. Your bo-jak is booking-out Jakarta. There are hundreds of different permutations. I did a post a while back explaining twitter phrases.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2754012]Thanks for the info.

I'm chatting with an Indo girl on Telegram and she wants to know how much I will pay her (post earlier suggested that Seeking girls are normally looking for 1. 8 - 2 m Rupiah). I don't want to low ball her (would love to give her a good seeing to), but am wondering where I should place my first bid.

Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]How long is a piece of string? There are so many variables that an accurate price can't be given here.

A Instagram model starts at 2. 5 jt ST. A plain Jane from the kampung (village) would be happy with 600 k all night. A happy medium might be 1-1. 5 jt all night. If she is desperate for cash these can all be significantly lower. If she is blistering hot, a lot more.

No offence but being both a newbie and liking her already, she is going sense this and over charge. You can sweat the last $10 or just go have some fun.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. Jt = juta = million rupiah.

[QUOTE=UltimateBliss;2753932]#boba*.

#bojak*.

What's the hit or miss chances of these hashtag girls profiles. Someone please throw some light on this.[/QUOTE]Boba. Booking Bandung.

Bojak. Booking Jakarta.
With apologies to GF, didnt see your reply to this question

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2754012]Thanks for the info.

I'm chatting with an Indo girl on Telegram and she wants to know how much I will pay her (post earlier suggested that Seeking girls are normally looking for 1. 8 - 2 m Rupiah). I don't want to low ball her (would love to give her a good seeing to), but am wondering where I should place my first bid.

Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Always helps to remember that these prices are negotiable and, unless you super-lowball her with your opening bid, she'll be willing to negotiate rather than just cut you off completely.

A couple of months ago I mentioned that most girls would be more than happy to get 3 juta for one night with a foreigner and that a guy could get away with paying a lot less, and got criticized by a few other posters for saying so, but I'll stand by what I said earlier. I'll also refer you to the excellent post by Adindas below, where he reminded us that "the minimum monthly wage in Jakarta is IDR 4,416,186".

If the girl is as hot as you say she is and you're that interested in her, then try offering 1. 8 juta (roughly $115 USD) and see how she responds.

My buddy sent me this link and I was wondering what this whole thing mean not just for us but for their whole tourism and hotel industry in general.

[URL]https://travel.detik.com/travel-news/d-6361867/pidana-menanti-pasangan-yang-check-in-ke-hotel-tapi-belum-menikah[/URL]

This link is all in Bahasa and I am only able to understand part of it. In short, my buddy told me that only married couple can register and check into the hotel. If not, one could be subjected to fines. This sound so dumb and it feels almost laughable. The morality party are just some of the dumbest f#ck.

Any ideas from anyone over there and know anything about this? Or is is it probably just nothing to worry? As always, it will always be an enforcement having blind eye provided these companies pay enough bribes.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2754878]

This link is all in Bahasa and I am only able to understand part of it. In short, my buddy told me that only married couple can register and check into the hotel. If not, one could be subjected to fines. This sound so dumb and it feels almost laughable. The morality party are just some of the dumbest f#ck.

Any ideas from anyone over there and know anything about this? Or is is it probably just nothing to worry? [/QUOTE]I didn't read the whole thing but "ancaman hukuman" is threatened legislation, not enacted. It's been a hot topic, on and off, for years now.

Note that there are many areas in Indonesia where unmarried couples really cannot check into hotels, both legally and practically. It's regularly enforced by hoteliers and has even tripped up couples who didn't carry evidence of being married. However, I wouldn't panic This doesn't apply to the regular monger or foreign tourist areas.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2754878]My buddy sent me this link and I was wondering what this whole thing mean not just for us but for their whole tourism and hotel industry in general.

[URL]https://travel.detik.com/travel-news/d-6361867/pidana-menanti-pasangan-yang-check-in-ke-hotel-tapi-belum-menikah[/URL]

This link is all in Bahasa and I am only able to understand part of it. In short, my buddy told me that only married couple can register and check into the hotel. If not, one could be subjected to fines. This sound so dumb and it feels almost laughable. The morality party are just some of the dumbest f#ck.

Any ideas from anyone over there and know anything about this? Or is is it probably just nothing to worry? As always, it will always be an enforcement having blind eye provided these companies pay enough bribes.[/QUOTE]
That is the reason why people are very worried with religious extremist movements. In Indonesia there are still enough people want Indonesia to Implement Shariah Law. They successfully implements Sahriah Law in one of Indonesian Provinces, The province of "Aceh"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_criminal_law_in_Aceh

They do not stop it there but instead keep moving forward. Acute opportunists politicians will use them as pawns to get their votes. Keep in mind those religious leaders have a lot of people, masses behind them that could be brainwashed or mobilised for mass demonstration to disrupt or to influence the law makers for very tiny amount of money. Many of these people are in the religious boarding schools or villagers coming from surrounding villages, small cities. These people will be happy to get involve in mass demonstration, they could also vote in the general election.

This request may subject me to some ridicule, sarcasm or applause. I am prepared to tolerate all as long as I get some info Unlike the country I come from, a full-body physical examination by a lady-doctor is very much a possibility here in Jakarta. I remember getting my shaft and my balls fondled and caressed by a gorgeous doctor Indah at one of the clinics in Senopati area. In front of her I got an erection, and she had her cheeks red in admiration of my length and girth. So. Short story long, Indah has now left that clinic, but I wanted to relive that experience. Something different about it rather than going to the shag-joints and getting one off. Can anyone recommend me a beautiful gorgeous lady doctor I could visit in Jakarta, possibly in Jaksel and get myself physically checked. Hope this enquiry can excite a few and I could expect some helpful responses (or ridicules or sarcasms)!

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2755252]This request may subject me to some ridicule, sarcasm or applause. I am prepared to tolerate all as long as I get some info Unlike the country I come from, a full-body physical examination by a lady-doctor is very much a possibility here in Jakarta. I remember getting my shaft and my balls fondled and caressed by a gorgeous doctor Indah at one of the clinics in Senopati area. In front of her I got an erection, and she had her cheeks red in admiration of my length and girth. So. Short story long, Indah has now left that clinic, but I wanted to relive that experience. Something different about it rather than going to the shag-joints and getting one off. Can anyone recommend me a beautiful gorgeous lady doctor I could visit in Jakarta, possibly in Jaksel and get myself physically checked. Hope this enquiry can excite a few and I could expect some helpful responses (or ridicules or sarcasms)![/QUOTE]Not for me, but whatever floats your boat.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2755252]This request may subject me to some ridicule, sarcasm or applause. I am prepared to tolerate all as long as I get some info Unlike the country I come from, a full-body physical examination by a lady-doctor is very much a possibility here in Jakarta. I remember getting my shaft and my balls fondled and caressed by a gorgeous doctor Indah at one of the clinics in Senopati area. In front of her I got an erection, and she had her cheeks red in admiration of my length and girth. So. Short story long, Indah has now left that clinic, but I wanted to relive that experience. Something different about it rather than going to the shag-joints and getting one off. Can anyone recommend me a beautiful gorgeous lady doctor I could visit in Jakarta, possibly in Jaksel and get myself physically checked. Hope this enquiry can excite a few and I could expect some helpful responses (or ridicules or sarcasms)![/QUOTE]Why not go the whole hog and get yourself admitted to a regional Hospital from "chest pains" or similar? Many nurses are happy to provide additional care in a private ward.

No idea on doc checkups but I'd look for smaller, out of the way places. Not the large hospital based waiting rooms.

Good luck and report back. It would be interesting to hear the outcome.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2755445]Why not go the whole hog and get yourself admitted to a regional Hospital from "chest pains" or similar? Many nurses are happy to provide additional care in a private ward.

No idea on doc checkups but I'd look for smaller, out of the way places. Not the large hospital based waiting rooms.

Good luck and report back. It would be interesting to hear the outcome.

G.[/QUOTE]P.S. Rather than searching through doctors that will fuck you, why not reverse the search and look online for ladies employed in "medicine or nursing" and ask where they work?

Many online apps show employment categories or allow searches of key words. You could even directly place in your profile what you are looking for.

Remember, nothing is out of bounds or unobtainable in Indo, it just may take some time to find it.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2755445]Why not go the whole hog and get yourself admitted to a regional Hospital from "chest pains" or similar? Many nurses are happy to provide additional care in a private ward.

No idea on doc checkups but I'd look for smaller, out of the way places. Not the large hospital based waiting rooms.

Good luck and report back. It would be interesting to hear the outcome.

G.[/QUOTE]I think this is much more exciting proposal. Once in private ward, the magnificent BabaLoda could become a doctor himself for these gorgeous nurses he might be lucky to encounter in the hospital. He could use his syringe to inject the most wonderful creamy medicine on earth inside these nurse glory holes. It is the most wonderful creamy medicine as it could bring someone new to life.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2755500]I think this is much more exciting proposal. Once in private ward, the magnificent BabaLoda could become a doctor himself for these gorgeous nurses he might be lucky to encounter in the hospital. He could use his syringe to inject the most wonderful creamy medicine on earth inside these nurse glory holes. It is the most wonderful creamy medicine as it could bring someone new to life.[/QUOTE]Instead of talking about Indonesian doctors, why don't you guys try in your own country first? Perhaps starting with your family doctors.

Indonesian is developing country but it doesn't mean you can show your evil mind to them. Most Indonesian are very nice and friendly people.

Guys! Please pay some respect on their professionalism.

A few months ago I enquired if anyone had used any of the online platforms to buy Cialis in Jakarta. I didn't really get much feedback at the time and I guess people either hadn't used this service or didn't want to say So on a recently completed trip to Jakarta I tried it out and provide some notes for others that might be interested.

I used the Shopee platform. Shopee did take some time to setup an account but nothing terribly complicated if you are remotely tech familiar. The biggest issue was you needed a local Indonesian cell / mobile phone number to complete the set up. It wouldn't text the code to an international number. This wasn't too big a deal and after doing some research I zipped over to the nearest Telkomsel shop, registered my phone IMEI and got a tourist prepay SIM (available for those staying less than 3 months). This included a number and a data pack for around IDR50 k (I only got a small amount of data about 500 Mb I think as I didn't need more. You can get more Gb for more IDR of course). Took around 30 mins including the wait time, which is pretty good for Indonesia. So Shopee was all set up.

Then search on Shopee for Cialis Original. Lots of suppliers. No way to tell who is good or not. So randomly selected one. Ordered two bottles of 10 pills of 80 MG. Each bottle was IDR120 k. Total plus delivery charge was IDR275 k. I believe in the end the source was a local apotek K24.

I was staying at a hotel. Used the hotel address for delivery. Did need to include my name and room number. Then left an envelope at the front desk with money and order number after briefing the front desk staff that I was expecting a Shopee delivery. The hotel staff were pretty familiar with the whole idea / procedure so I guess it's pretty common. Obviously didn't mention exactly what was being delivered. Haha. Two day delivery time or essentially overnight if you consider order placed in morning and delivery next day sometime. Went to work in the morning, came back in the evening to package delivered with even a small amount of change (the IDR275 k total was rounded up). The two bottles were well and discretely packaged. Couldn't tell from the outside what was being delivered until opened.

So the whole process of ordering and receipt was pretty easy, convenient, seamless and cheap.

However I do have my doubts about the quality. The Cialis did work to a degree, but the effect didn't seem as strong as usual. Normally I take one 80 MG and I'm good for 3 or 4 sessions in the evening but with this batch didn't achieve that target. Also usually I get some mild side effects like a headache and other mild muscle aches which I deal with by taking it with two Panadol. These didn't seem to present, which leads me to suspect that it wasn't the full real deal or was under the advised strength. Either that or I am just older and not working as well. Haha.

So hopefully that is all useful information for someone. It was convenient and easy and could be a good option if you can't get out to one of the in-person locations mentioned in other reports. But maybe the quality is patchy.

I was on a short work trip to Jakarta and was stationed in central Jakarta in a nice 5 star hotel.

I have had RTFF and was having slight a bit of idea of what to expect and what to not. Had zeni's map for reference.

Soon with my work situation and other logistics I realised that I won't be able to venture into the areas where the action is. Do decided to register Tinder and try my luck. Bought Tinder gold as well.

During day time there was sparring response but to my surprise after 9 pm it suddenly burst into activity. A lot of offers to in room massage and other carnal desires with lot of fake photos and profiles and claims upto 1 m for short session.

In all of that chaos, one verified profile caught my eye. She asked for 700 k and later said whole night.

Soon switched to WhatsApp for better photos and verification call and agreed to meet. It as almost 12 in night by that time but she said she'll join.

The girl arrived at hotel in 45 minutes. I was ready with my dose of spedra. (I found it suits me better than other like cialis or viagra).

She was a absolute Java beauty. Tall, no extra far, full lips and body. Carried herself very well. So I was happy to escort her in the lobby.

Hotel staff choose to ignore it.

At the room, she smelled really good. Nice medium size firm tits but totally supple young girl. I like it that way.

The action was good, had could of rounds with missionary, doggy, cowgirl, prone and leap frog.

The girl was absolutely wild and kept kissing like wild.

She cum and shuddered on top of me twice. Slept at 3.

I got up at 7, woke her up from slumber and took her again.

Kissed her goodby around 9, with extra 100 as tip.

Overall a very good deal for 800 k I suppose.

[QUOTE=MgLuulay;2755894]Instead of talking about Indonesian doctors, why don't you guys try in your own country first? Perhaps starting with your family doctors.

Indonesian is developing country but it doesn't mean you can show your evil mind to them. Most Indonesian are very nice and friendly people.

Guys! Please pay some respect on their professionalism.[/QUOTE]
Certainly, we respect their profession. But you take it too seriously.
BabaLoda started the discussion mentioning a full-body physical examination but only by a gorgeous female doctor (not male doctor). So when his shaft is examined and grasped by this gorgeous female doctor so he is expecting to get erection and gorgeous female doctor will get her cheeks turns red in admiration of the length and the thickness (girth) of his private part.
He is expecting some ridicule, sarcasm or applause in #16279, so he got it ... BabaLoda come on, where are you ? You are the person who started this odd discussion.

Arrived in my hotel in central Jakarta this week and decided to have a bit of fun before some work and family obligations.

WeChat works well for me in Bali, and did not disappoint. About 30 minutes of messaging some likely candidates and I found a lovely willing to come to my room for 300 all inclusive. About 30 and not as pretty as her profile pic, but a very friendly girl and a good attitude. A nice massage, mutual touching leading to 69, BBBJ and bbfscip, and some more relaxing massage at the end. A very satisfying hour for 300 k.

[QUOTE=KiwiTiger;2756736]A few months ago I enquired if anyone had used any of the online platforms to buy Cialis in Jakarta. I didn't really get much feedback at the time and I guess people either hadn't used this service or didn't want to say So on a recently completed trip to Jakarta I tried it out and provide some notes for others that might be interested.

I used the Shopee platform. Shopee did take some time to setup an account but nothing terribly complicated if you are remotely tech familiar. The biggest issue was you needed a local Indonesian cell / mobile phone number to complete the set up. It wouldn't text the code to an international number. This wasn't too big a deal and after doing some research I zipped over to the nearest Telkomsel shop, registered my phone IMEI and got a tourist prepay SIM (available for those staying less than 3 months). This included a number and a data pack for around IDR50 k (I only got a small amount of data about 500 Mb I think as I didn't need more. You can get more Gb for more IDR of course). Took around 30 mins including the wait time, which is pretty good for Indonesia. So Shopee was all set up.

Then search on Shopee for Cialis Original. Lots of suppliers. No way to tell who is good or not. So randomly selected one. Ordered two bottles of 10 pills of 80 MG. Each bottle was IDR120 k. Total plus delivery charge was IDR275 k. I believe in the end the source was a local apotek K24.[/QUOTE]Good grief, do you always make life so complex for yourself?

[QUOTE=Adindas;2756984]Certainly, we respect their profession. But you take it too seriously.
BabaLoda started the discussion mentioning a full-body physical examination but only by a gorgeous female doctor (not male doctor). So when his shaft is examined and grasped by this gorgeous female doctor so he is expecting to get erection and gorgeous female doctor will get her cheeks turns red in admiration of the length and the thickness (girth) of his private part..[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha Adindas. I did write a response which admin thought was not too 'friendly' for this forum. I am very much here and absolutely agree with you. I respect male doctors. Very much. . and the search continues, found someone at RSPI, absolutely bombshell of a lady doctor. Hoping this Sunday, I will get the much needed respite (and ridicule and perhaps a lecture in morality from "you know who") LOL.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2755453]P.S. Rather than searching through doctors that will fuck you, why not reverse the search and look online for ladies employed in "medicine or nursing" and ask where they work?

Many online apps show employment categories or allow searches of key words. You could even directly place in your profile what you are looking for.

Remember, nothing is out of bounds or unobtainable in Indo, it just may take some time to find it.[/QUOTE]This, my friend, is a brilliant idea. Perhaps I was not clear. There is something exciting about the clinic and not going all the way. Something exciting about the 'forbidden'. I guess I wanted to experience (or 're' experience) that forbidden.

Comes across as a karaoke joint in Kaskus forums, photos on Google portend unfolding of possibilities, with un-missable mood-lighting. Has any-one ventured? Would love to hear any report.

Classic Hotel report: I am permanently damaged and my emotional health is ruined. First time in Jakarta, I went to Classic 3 consecutive nights. I also visited Indah Kota one night, but it was forgettable by comparison. Originally intended to visit Classic one night, Keplah Gading another, and then go to Mr Braid on the 3rd, but things turned out different.

I arrived at classic at about 1800 on Saturday night, courtesy of a.

28 k go-car which dropped me off at the roadside. ID RTFF, and as much as I could on other sites, and my plan was to visit the 3rd floor, sample a couple of Indonesian girls and maybe visit the 'bunker' after. Walked on up to the hotel and followed a loud thumping bass soundtrack towards the righthand side. In through a glass door and saw the entrance to a nightclub at ground level. Door security paid me no attention so I decided to go with plan A, and found an escalator that took me up a level. The lobby was huge and deserted. Another escalator to floor 3 and there's a new soundtrack to follow. Was welcomed at the door. Security wanted to frisk me for weapons / police radios / copies of Quran, while a lady slipped a numbered wristband onto my right hand and waved at a sign informing a minimum spend of 40 k every day except Sunday which is 30 k. Then the door to heaven opened. A gaggle of clucking mamasans with laser pointers await just inside the door to ensnare unwary visitors and March them to a table close to their particular pool of talent. I was lucky. I somehow got picked up by a mama with a crystal ball for a skull and a magic wand up her bum, because after ushering me to a table with a good view of the live band on stage, she arranged me a bottle of bintang and then informed me she knew what kind of girls I liked. "A huh" I thought. 90 seconds later she's introducing me to a flawless, slim 18 yo who could have stepped straight off the catwalk in Milan. Her name is S, who gave me a shy smile and squeezed my hand. Mama said 'no baby, new girl here'. Bintang came out my nose. Everything went blurry for a couple seconds. Mama nailed it. Mama said 365,000 rupiah (750 baht) and she was mine to take to a room for an hour. I nodded like I had some semblance of coherent thoughts rushing through my head and proceeded to slowly finish my beer, trying to take in the room. I didn't want to just take the very first thing I was presented, at the same time I'm thinking that I had either died and gone to heaven or else I was about to wake up from a dream very very disappointed. The band on stage were playing a mix of covers, some really well, some not. The music was excellent, the vocals less so. Maybe half a dozen locals are dotted around the place and I can see at least 5 different groups of girls in clusters on the couches around the perimeter of the room. About 40 girls in total, all looking utterly disinterested in the world. Nothing else to see here. 4 red ones got handed to mama, the change returned to her as a tip and mama handed S a slip of paper and a condom in a paper packet. S disappeared for a moment to fetch her bag, and then lead me across the room, down the stairs and into the maze of ST rooms below. No need to give a lurid account of what happens in the room, the memories are mine to treasure. It goes like this. Floor staff check the paperwork, assign a room, and ask if you want drinks. They also ask hopefully for a tip. They don't get grumpy if you say no, but the 2nd time round with a different girl I gave them 20 k each and they were more cheerful after that. Some foreplay on the bed until drinks arrive. S ordered a iced cappuccino and I copied her, and it was a great idea. Room is basic but clean and functional. There's a shower, towels, a bed, a mirror, AC set to cold, and the phone rings with 5 minutes to go as a warning bell. S was closer to starfish than pornstar, inexperienced and all, but there was an element of GFE. She came more than once herself and cuddled up cutely, which blew my mind. See, I expected her to pretend to like me and tolerate our time together as a means to an end. Like those stoney faced girls at rainbow 4 in NEP when you buy them a LD and they sit at arms length from you. Not enjoy it so much she wanted to swap whatsapps and keep in touch and tell me she loves me. This must be what it feels like to be a young wealthy good looking Korean boy in Bangkok. I'm feeling stupidly happy so I tip her 400 k for her trouble. That's 800 baht. Am I overpaying? I don't think so but S is happy. We walk back up to the club slowly, and parted ways. I've probably got a stupid grin on my face. I didn't realize it, but I've contracted Indonitis.

Back in the club. Its now closer to 8, and the place has filled up a bit, many of the tables are occupied including my previous one so I take another in a different spot. The band has been replaced by 2 girls in mesh tops and panties doing some variations of the Bangkok shuffle mixed with unchoreographed tiktok or kpop dance moves, to the sound of 'caralarm' EDM at max volume. My new table comes with a new mamsan who also apparently knows what kind of girls I like. She's pretty onto it as well, because I'm soon introduced to and, who is a friendly and outgoing 22 yo, also with a stunning slim body and creamy smooth skin. While mama is keen to push us off to the room and collect the $, I want to linger a bit. The boobs on the dancers are excellent, buoyant see-cups. The room is very dim, apart from a little spotlight on each table and lighting over the couches where the girls sit. Since the girls make endless trips to the bathroom (in pairs) and are also regularly being called for lineups at tables, you are treated to a never ending parade of shapely silhouettes parading, deliberately stalking along slowly on their hooker heels with delicious poise. Reminds me of the opening credits of a james bond movie. Its mesmerizing and I'm constantly seeing girls I'd go for. The indo body shape is a broad mix, but there's only a couple ID call fat, a dozen slim beauties that would be front and centre in rainbow 4/5, aka my fav type, and the rest would still be the equal or better than average for a Bangkok gogo, with defined waists and a bit more natural boob and butt than Thai girls. Very few tattoos. Ages ID guess 18-25. Faces, there's some variety but average is a mostly smooth girl-next door looks that are pleasant but not standout. Softer than the classical Thai high cheekbone face. Most wear evening dress or casual summer street clothes, and there'd a couple in denim shorts and crop tops. Over the days I enquired with different girls, and got told skinny girls are not the generally preferred body shape for indo men. Excellent news for me! And drinks bintang with me. It comes in 750 ML bottles, and we have beer mugs and an ice bucket.

I pay the money to fuck and and repeat the process. And is far more bouncy and active, pushing me back on the bed and taking a lead at times. More a pro. Tip 300 k to her. Back to the club. Its now around 10 pm, its pretty full, and the stock of girls on couches is depleted. I decided to find out how much ID spent, so I go to counter and check out. Bill is 450 k, paid in cash, receipt issued. The wristband is handed in and I received a slip of paper bundled with a little wooden paddle, which is your ticket to get out the door with the graceful thanks of the door staff.

Outside the door I walk out to the road, call a car ride using gojek and 8 minutes / 30 k later I'm back at my hotel.

Day 2 - Bianca. During the day S messages me to say she's not working tonight, she's back with her mum. Does she want to meet me? No. She needs a day off. Ok. I'm back to Classic anyway, arriving about 1800 again. It seems that if you want to snare a nice catch you got to get there early. A bluebird taxi this time, drives through a labyrinth hotel entry way to deliver me to the front door of the actual hotel classic. I walk through some glass doors into the large atrium where the escalators are. This time I put my head into the bunker on the way in, its deserted. No fun there. Thankfully no minimum charge on Sundays, so I leave without spending a rupiah. On up to level 3, in the door and this time I get set upon by the most pushy mamasan of the lot. Within what seemed like seconds she had 3 19 yo babyless girls at a table with me loudly proclaiming it was 2 for 500 k, but how many girls did I want? 2, 3? 4? she has more on the sofa. Her selected girls are good looking, and the arse-waist-tits ratios make your hands start to move on their own. But I turn down her offer of a threesome with 2 smiling 19 yo girls for 1000 baht. Some part of my brain gave me a weird look. 'You wot, mate?' Yes. Mama was a bit pushy and it put me off like that. Same cover band playing. Same disinterested girls in groups. I spy a tall, skinny thing with a distinctive and attractive face, albeit unsmiling as she chats to the girl next to her. In Bangkok my ladyboy radar would have gone off at her height and slenderness. After a bit mama sees me looking and I get introduced to Bianca. She's 20, a solo mum, super skinny. I like skinny girls. Wide hips, tiny waist and modest boobs. She's demure and sweet. I decide to take for 2 hours, which is simply 2 x 365 k to mamasan. I hand over 750 k and leave her the change, not going to give her any more than that. We had a nice session together, and again, like S, we seemed to connect. Her body had survived a natural childbirth in outstanding shape with the only marks being some small stretch marks on her boobs. She also came repeatedly during our session. Indo girls seem to be really horny and into it. 2 hours gave us some cuddle time and I could tell when the phone went she really didn't want to get up and leave. 500 k tip for 2 hours. She asks Whatsapp please? Ok. Back to the club. The dancers alternate with the live band. There's 3 dancers now, skimpy outfits. One can dance well, 2 can't and seem baffled trying to follow #1's lead. A bit later I'm back in the room banging a more curvy white skinned girl from seleasi somewhere. I forget. She was. More forgettable. In a rush for me to finish. Oh well, you got to expect some losses, I was fairly satisfied and only wanted to tick a box with her face beside it. Yet afterwards she was all keen for my contact and suddenly very friendly. On returning to the club after that its about midnight, so I take a walk about to see it clearly. There's very few girls left on the couches now. Its larger than thought. A sea of tables near the stage, and then around a corner there's half a dozen pool tables, some comfortable looking booths and in the far corner more unoccupied couches. I call it a night. Walk out front, get a gojek to hotel.

Day 3 - S contacts me and confirms she wants to see me again but only via Classic Hotel. Not keen on visiting me in my hotel. She starts at 1500, what time will I be there? She will wait for me. OK. I'm down to start a bit earlier to see S again, and maybe get back to the hotel earlier since I have a flight the next day. ID love to see S again. I take a bluebird taxi to classic at 1600. Get hit on by mamasans as usual, fend them off, choose a table in about the right spot, order a bintang and start looking round. Can't see her. Difficulty finding right mamasan. Never actually saw where S's couch spot was on Saturday. Oh well. I have plenty of time. Oh shit! I hope my girl isn't being defiled by some other client! The thought hurts. After a few minutes someone seems to recognize S's name. Meanwhile I spot a gorgeous cutie whose appeared t the far end of a couch. If I need a backup plan I've found it, in fact maybe I should be hoping S has disappeared somehow becuase this cutie is drawing all my attention. A couple moments later the cutie moves and starts to look familiar. It IS S. I wasnt wrong, she is stunning! She had been hiding out in the restrooms until 1600, waiting for me to arrive. I'm falling in love, and take her for 3 hours. While waiting for drinks to arrive in the room I start to touch her, she shudders and she's dripping wet already. She either really really does like me, or she's a world class actor as well as super model. <skip gory details. Use your imaginations. I also used a viabrator ID brought along and it went well. About an hours worth of 69 . Cuddles. Sad good byes. 700 k tip for 3 hours. I get back into the club proper and offered a table marked 'reserved' by S's mamasan who fends off another mamsan for me so I can chill in peace and watch the dancers stumble through their routine. And, also from the first night comes over but I don't want to visit a room right now so I pay the fee for her to squirm around in my lap for a while. I spend a bit longer understanding how the system works. The mamasans are pretty chill once they know you, all except for one whose a touch crazy. The really pushy one who santed to make an early bird special and sell me 4 girls at once. I lie awake in bed that night weighing up missing my flight the next day, and moving to Jakarta. I want to take S, take her out of the club and put her through university, see her on weekends and snuggle up at nights watching TV. I want to hold her hand during longwalks on the beach. I'm in love and I know its stupid. I must break my phone, leave Jakarta today, and NOT return to classic ever again because I just can't get S out of my head. Like the Kylie Minogue song.

Classic info:

Entry. Free, but 40 k minimum spend.

Drinks:

Big bottle bintang 94000.

Ice coffee 28000.

Water 25000.

Pack of smokes 50000.

Cocktails = 140000 or something ridiculous, I foolishly let a girl order one not realizing.

Buy a Shot to grope a dance girl - 5000.

So not really expensive at all by international standards, apart from cocktails. It seems alcohol in general is expensive in Indonesia. There's no incentive for them to get you to order LDs except for their drinking pleasure, mama does the talking and she wants you to sell you a girl, not a drink.

Cost to have a girl sit with you for as long as you like at the table, OR to take her to a room for an hour: 365000 either way. She will squirm in your lap a little, and you can give her a squeeze but nothing too hands on. It would be great if I spoke Bahasa. Mileage is a bit crap for this if you don't speak it, but local guys seemed to enjoy spending time with the girls this way either at a table or on a couch. Google translate got me through all the encounters but its a bit too clumsy for this.

Your wristband number is used to keep count on your tab for the club. Its double checked at every stage, and you sign the chit for everything that goes on it, although the chits arnt priced. You do get an itemised bill when you go to cash up, and your wristband is exchanged for your exit ticket. No exit ticket, no exit. Or broken legs or something. Didn't want to test to find out. There's enough dudes who just hang around the place to ensure their security.

365000 gets handed in cash straight to mamasan for the girl. She will offer you the change. I figured that 70 baht could generously go to manasan as a gesture of a tip. Its not much.

Tip in room for girl goes straight to girl. I worked on 300 k being tip for good service, and it seemed to be positively received, so maybe 300 k is 'generous'. It seems from the comments I might have been larger than the average client so 300 k didn't seem out of place. Speaking of, I saw zero other white folks in the place over 3 nights. All were locals I believe, a mixture of age groups. I seemed equally as welcome as anyone else.

Tip: if you walk back through into the hotel proper, and then out their main entrance, there is a bluebird taxi on standby there, which is quick and handy. Bluebirds have cards to get through all the security gates etc, whereas commok gojek go-cars can't. You can order either a go-car or a bluebird using the gojek app, and the price is virtually the same. It costs nothing to get the app setup and you then pay cash to the driver. I installed it before I even got to Jakarta. BB taxi to airport came in at 180 k or thereabouts FYI.

Smoking- if you can tolerate it, you'll be OK. If you can't, don't go to Indonesia full stop. It must be the least 'smokefree' country in the world. Even the hotel lobby smelt vaguely like smoke. Or maybe that was my clothes after being in classic.

Condoms. I wasn't expecting it but all the girls wanted a cover, and S wasn't being swayed on the second visit. No problem, I just take longer Maybe covid has shifted some viewpoints.

I have usually stayed in the Central Park / Taman Anggrek area so I know some places there, but this time I'll be staying in SCBD for the first time.

Is there any good HJ massage places in this area? Or full service places?

How about the hotel spas in SCBD, do they offer HJ massages? (hotels in the area include Fairmont, Century Park, Alila, Langham, Ritz, Sultan).

If all else fails, I think I could take the MRT to Blok M?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2757860]Condoms. I wasn't expecting it but all the girls wanted a cover, and S wasn't being swayed on the second visit. No problem, I just take longer Maybe covid has shifted some viewpoints.[/QUOTE]Really good report, glad you enjoyed. That condom thing is a deal breaker though for OS.

300 is a good tip. The locals are rarely at that level. But sounds like you enjoyed so yay for you.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2758481]Really good report, glad you enjoyed. That condom thing is a deal breaker though for OS.

300 is a good tip. The locals are rarely at that level. But sounds like you enjoyed so yay for you.[/QUOTE]I agree, it is nice to read a positive, upbeat report from a person new to the scene that isn't the usual kvetching.

However, at the risk of kvetching, I also agree if I am handing over a 700 k tip on a second hook-up, I expect to decide whether condoms are worn or not. For that sort of generosity I set the rules.

I'm coming to Jakarta for the first time next week. And this is exactly the kind of experience I'm hoping to have. Is there any way you could help me with further leads on this one? My PM is open. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Rhind;2756837]I was on a short work trip to Jakarta and was stationed in central Jakarta in a nice 5 star hotel.

I have had RTFF and was having slight a bit of idea of what to expect and what to not. Had zeni's map for reference.

Soon with my work situation and other logistics I realised that I won't be able to venture into the areas where the action is. Do decided to register Tinder and try my luck. Bought Tinder gold as well.

During day time there was sparring response but to my surprise after 9 pm it suddenly burst into activity. A lot of offers to in room massage and other carnal desires with lot of fake photos and profiles and claims upto 1 m for short session.

In all of that chaos, one verified profile caught my eye. She asked for 700 k and later said whole night.

Soon switched to WhatsApp for better photos and verification call and agreed to meet. It as almost 12 in night by that time but she said she'll join.

The girl arrived at hotel in 45 minutes. I was ready with my dose of spedra. (I found it suits me better than other like cialis or viagra).

She was a absolute Java beauty. Tall, no extra far, full lips and body. Carried herself very well. So I was happy to escort her in the lobby.

Hotel staff choose to ignore it.

At the room, she smelled really good. Nice medium size firm tits but totally supple young girl. I like it that way.

The action was good, had could of rounds with missionary, doggy, cowgirl, prone and leap frog.

The girl was absolutely wild and kept kissing like wild.

She cum and shuddered on top of me twice. Slept at 3.

I got up at 7, woke her up from slumber and took her again.

Kissed her goodby around 9, with extra 100 as tip.

Overall a very good deal for 800 k I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Mr Braid. First time to visit here. Arrived soon after opening, 2 others waiting. No one at reception. Sat and waited. About 20 min later a guy came and began taking us, 1 at a time, to the doorway to the next room to see the girls. When it was my turn, there were 3 girls, but he only offered 2. I chose the one that looked best to me. I think her name was Rasa. Minimal English. She led me to the room. It was tiny. No shelf or hooks. Had to put my clothes on the floor. Tiny shower. Cold water only. Wash alone. Straight to business. Quick cat bath then BBBJ. She then then went to put on the cap. I asked to wait. Bit of boob play. Reached down for pussy play but restricted access. Cap on and cowgirl. When she got tired, missionary to finish. Shower together now, dressed then out. Rp350 k. Rushed service.

Travel. First time to visit here. It was annoying that the Mama would show her worst girls first, and wait a long time before offering the next group. The lighting is terrible inside, so difficult to see the girls. Eventually I found one that was ok, but I don't like playing these games with the Mama. The girl was a starfish and kept her legs in the way to restrict access. Suprisingly good English, but she mostly used it to complain that her boyfriend left her when she had her baby. This was an annoying experience. Maybe the process with the Mama will get easier after repeat visits. Or I need to come better prepared to play the game. Can't remember the price, but less than 400 K.

Zaigon. I've been here before. Took number 05 Sisil. She matched the photos from their Instagram account. Young, slim and cute. She wore really high heels and when she took them off, it looked as if she had stepped into a hole in the floor. Nude from the start. Great sensual massage then body to body. BBBJ, 69 and DATY. Condom on, then sex in various positions. Very enjoyable, no rushing, no time wasting. A great experience. 90 min 700 K. I visited her another 2 times.

[QUOTE=RipVanTinkle;2758730]I'm coming to Jakarta for the first time next week. And this is exactly the kind of experience I'm hoping to have. Is there any way you could help me with further leads on this one? My PM is open. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately not mine.

Else would have shared the details.

She goes by name Sonia on Tinder. Verified profile. Hope you find it.

Planning for March trip. Going to Jakarta and Yogyakarta. Hoping to get a companion to do the sights in Yogyakarta. Have gone to Jakarta long time ago and had a good time courtesy to the tour guide at the hotel who fixed me up with two pretty and friendly girls. Went to all the tours and had fun.

This time want to meet a girl in Jakarta and take her to Yogyakarta. Not sure what dating site to hit. Just need help from fellow mongers experienced in Jakarta.

As usual I plan early and need plenty of back ups in case.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2759161]Planning for March trip. Going to Jakarta and Yogyakarta. Hoping to get a companion to do the sights in Yogyakarta..[/QUOTE]Dude, that's Ramadan 2024. Expect a combination of many places in Jogja being closed and those that are open will be unbelievably busy. Avoid Borobudur all together. It will be insane. Jogja is a very popular place for Indonesians to return to for Ramadan and also a top 10 holiday destination.

If you are fixed on March, the best online options are Seeking, Tinder and Indo Cupid. Those are in decreasing quality. Tinder has more civilians than in PH, so would probably be my pick. SA has some beauties but you will have to sort through the princesses. You won't have any troubles finding someone as all girls would like a holiday there. Just remember that a girl with a job will need to secure time off work when everyone else has applied to go home for Ramadan too. Book hotels etc early or there will be nothing available.

Personally, I think you have picked great holiday locations but your timing sucks. If at all possible, I'd reschedule.

PM me if you need more details or specifics.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759176]Dude, that's Ramadan 2024. Expect a combination of many places in Jogja being closed and those that are open will be unbelievably busy. Avoid Borobudur all together. It will be insane. Jogja is a very popular place for Indonesians to return to for Ramadan and also a top 10 holiday destination.

If you are fixed on March, the best online options are Seeking, Tinder and Indo Cupid. Those are in decreasing quality. Tinder has more civilians than in PH, so would probably be my pick. SA has some beauties but you will have to sort through the princesses. You won't have any troubles finding someone as all girls would like a holiday there. Just remember that a girl with a job will need to secure time off work when everyone else has applied to go home for Ramadan too. Book hotels etc early or there will be nothing available.

Personally, I think you have picked great holiday locations but your timing sucks. If at all possible, I'd reschedule.

PM me if you need more details or specifics.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]The fasting month of Ramadan should begin on Thursday, March 23, 2023, give-or-take one day, and lasts an entire month, followed by the Eid-al-Fitr festival (on or around April 22) which can last 4-5 days.

Most working girls leave Jakarta to travel to their home villages for that entire time. Expect girls to stop working around the 19th /20th /21st so they can arrive in their village by March 22 (the day before fasting begins). Most MPs will also close by March 22 and many bars will curtail their hours as well.

Because of this schedule, many working girls will be super-aggressive to try and earn as much money as possible in the days before they leave, both in having sex with as many customers as possible, aggressively asking for tips from their regular customers, and in some cases pickpocketing unsuspecting guys / customers. These girls are expected to arrive home in their villages with lots of presents and a wad of cash, so there's a lot of pressure on them, especially those girls who weren't able to save anything before then.

Having said that, some girls are still available during Ramadan, especially the first 3 weeks, to make some more cash, again to get enough money to buy presents, etc.

If you arrive in Indonesia in early March, you should be ok, just remember that things will get more difficult after March 20/21.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759176]Dude, that's Ramadan 2024. Expect a combination of many places in Jogja being closed and those that are open will be unbelievably busy. Avoid Borobudur all together. It will be insane. Jogja is a very popular place for Indonesians to return to for Ramadan and also a top 10 holiday destination.

If you are fixed on March, the best online options are Seeking, Tinder and Indo Cupid. Those are in decreasing quality. Tinder has more civilians than in PH, so would probably be my pick. SA has some beauties but you will have to sort through the princesses. You won't have any troubles finding someone as all girls would like a holiday there. Just remember that a girl with a job will need to secure time off work when everyone else has applied to go home for Ramadan too. Book hotels etc early or there will be nothing available.

Personally, I think you have picked great holiday locations but your timing sucks. If at all possible, I'd reschedule.

PM me if you need more details or specifics.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I will be in Jakarta March 10 and will leave well before Ramadan. Just need to know how to get girls on what social app which local girls use.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2759204]I will be in Jakarta March 10 and will leave well before Ramadan. Just need to know how to get girls on what social app which local girls use.[/QUOTE]My bad. I don't know why but I quoted Ramadan 2024 not 2023! You should be ok then.

Just use the online apps etc that I quoted before and you will be inundated with offers. If you are happy to put in the pre-work you could add IG to the list. I'd start with Cupid and Tinder for midrange, SA if you wanted high end.

Thank you. I've rtff and felt it good to return the info. Enjoy I did for sure. Yes, 700 k was generous, but I did get 3 hours of playtime with the slimmest, firmest, most youthful, shy yet willing performer I've ever met for it, so on the hourly rate not so bad. I compare it with what the online pros are asking. Playing the role of the weekend millionaire is fun.

I'm in 2 minds about the condom thing. Disease and all. I've barebacked sparingly in thailand and do prefer it, but also I don't know who else was in the same hole in the last 7 days. Now in Laos and loving here too. Its much more challenging thou.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2758481]Really good report, glad you enjoyed. That condom thing is a deal breaker though for OS.

300 is a good tip. The locals are rarely at that level. But sounds like you enjoyed so yay for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2758844]Mr Braid. First time to visit here. Arrived soon after opening, 2 others waiting. No one at reception. Sat and waited. About 20 min later a guy came and began taking us, 1 at a time, to the doorway to the next room to see the girls. When it was my turn, there were 3 girls, but he only offered 2. I chose the one that looked best to me. I think her name was Rasa. Minimal English. She led me to the room. It was tiny. No shelf or hooks. Had to put my clothes on the floor. Tiny shower. Cold water only. Wash alone. Straight to business. Quick cat bath then BBBJ. She then then went to put on the cap. I asked to wait. Bit of boob play. Reached down for pussy play but restricted access. Cap on and cowgirl. When she got tired, missionary to finish. Shower together now, dressed then out. Rp350 k. Rushed service..[/QUOTE]Surprised at your experience at Braid. I discovered and polished (you know with what!) a gem last night at Braid. Name. April. Mix of Sunda and Sumatra. Gorgeous girl and an absolute tigress in the bed. Literally bit me in excitement on my left arm! She has two kids already but the body is firm. Kissing is spectacular ala porn-star. Had her in MOT, WOT, missionary and just as I moaned in final ecstasy she started riding me hard. That feeling of being totally spent and yet being ridden is indescribable. And not for the faint hearted!

Considering that I absolutely loathe the air filled with nicotine and the usual filth surrounding the local bordellos here in Jakarta, I would still go back every weekend to bone April. Trick at Braid is to befriend the 'handler' - I think he calls himself 'Nene', has a massive ear-lobe-ring-or-whatever-the-f-its-called on both his ears. I have slipped a few blue ones off and on, this helps in ensuring his recommendations are par excellence. But the place is a chimney from 10 pm onwards. You will find local Indonesian cowoks swarming the place like h0 rny bees. I am fairly tall and reasonably well built (at least by Indo standards) so can manage traversing through crowds without getting haggled. But for those who love some adventures (or mis-adventures) would recommend a visit to Braid and especially to April. The only bummer. She won't budge on no-caps. I have not given up. Will try BB next week.

I found a new individual sponsor for VISA. She is a friend of mine whom I met in Jakarta.

Is it still required to enter the country through Bali via tourist visa.

Or can I directly land on Surabaya.

Pardon me if I am going against the etiquettes of the country, as I am looking for something in Indonesia for the first time.

However, I am in contact with a few profiles on SA, which suit my budget and availability. I was wondering if anyone here has met them and can vouch whether they are trustworthy or not. Basically, I don't want to get trapped in a scam.

Fairytale: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9ed9a3b4-4fe2-40bc-b875-c983e405564e[/URL].

Cheerful Rocker: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a2d57f4a-6006-4523-93aa-1fa3cb5fd466[/URL].

I have attached their pic also.

Its been mentioned many times before. G2 and br at ID are the same venue. They are as local a bordello as you can get. For those who haven't sampled, I would highly recommend. Do not expect a 5 star service, for br at ID you pay 350 k and for G2 you pay 450 k. It has been raining (slash that, pouring) in Jakarta over last couple of days. There is something about rains and my libido. Both are directly proportional to each other. My last few visits to G2 have resulted in me being marinated in nicotine smoke from head to toe, so this time I decided I will go around 12:30 pm, which is 30 minutes after they open doors! Glad, I took that decision. Met a bird called 'Indah' - as the name suggests, she was beautiful, massive bazookas. True weapons of mass distraction. And she was part of the Br at ID gang, so 100 k cheaper (which was spent on Bintang. But I digress). Story of Indah. Is story of most women in this country. Married, husband works outside the country, has a kid already (delivered when she was 18, she's 23 now), no stretch marks on the stomach, firm and handful (actually spilling out of hands), gets bored baby sitting, so leaves the baby with grand parents to make a quick buck.

Coming to the act itself. I am not fond of the cleanliness, so I carry my anti-bacterial spray with me (judge me, I don't care), after a generous dose of the spray all across the room. We were ready and naked. She took some time to hold my tool, admire its girth and length and I could sense in her eyes she was circumspect of her ability to take it all in. I told her, I would go slow. But I was damn h at Road. After 5 minutes of licking my round spherical objects and tantalizing the tip of my shaft with her tongue forking in and out, I could not take it anymore. I held her small (not petite) frame, put her on the bed, used my knees to open her legs and entered. She was saying "caps dulu, caps dulu" (caps first), but moment she felt the warmth of my tool, she just quietened down. I loved it. Usually I go slow, but today, because it was raining (not my fault), I couldn't stop and started thrusting hard. As I was admiring her succulent jugs, I guess at one point, my tool was too big for her to handle and she winced in pain, breaking me out of my stupor. I immediately apologized and pulled out. We looked at each other for perhaps 5 seconds, her facial expressions changed from pain to desire. She held my tool and directed it back in, while biting her lower lip. That made me go nuts and from then on it was a maddening spell of two bodies marinated in their own sweats, thumping hard against each other. Not to brag, but I could hold on longer today than usual, and for the first time I experienced her v convulsing around my tool. That spelt 'finish line' for me and I came just like the weather. Heavy and with a thunder. Man o man, It was an experience which I am sure will be repeated again.

By the way. Also ventured out to Revoo, which I had written before, but perhaps no one has gone there. An absolute lost case. 525 k for massage and an additional 600 k for full service. I was shown two photos. I warmly held Mamis hand, looked at her intently, and in a very soft voice whispered - "if this is what you have, you should pay me for pleasing them, rather than vice-versa". So that is Revoo for me. Signing out for now.

Hello guys,

I am traveling to Jakarta this week and will spend 4 days there. I need some senior assistance to meet independent girls who can really participate and make the moments remembered forever. Kind seniors and souls, help me with the indi contacts. I will come up with the trip experience as report in my next post.

Hello bro,

Can you share any of your tried contacts to cutshort my runway. I will be in Jakarta this week and need some expert advice.

[QUOTE=Rhind;2756837]I was on a short work trip to Jakarta and was stationed in central Jakarta in a nice 5 star hotel.

I have had RTFF and was having slight a bit of idea of what to expect and what to not. Had zeni's map for reference.

Soon with my work situation and other logistics I realised that I won't be able to venture into the areas where the action is. Do decided to register Tinder and try my luck. Bought Tinder gold as well.

During day time there was sparring response but to my surprise after 9 pm it suddenly burst into activity. A lot of offers to in room massage and other carnal desires with lot of fake photos and profiles and claims upto 1 m for short session.

In all of that chaos, one verified profile caught my eye. She asked for 700 k and later said whole night.

Soon switched to WhatsApp for better photos and verification call and agreed to meet. It as almost 12 in night by that time but she said she'll join.

The girl arrived at hotel in 45 minutes. I was ready with my dose of spedra. (I found it suits me better than other like cialis or viagra).

She was a absolute Java beauty. Tall, no extra far, full lips and body. Carried herself very well. So I was happy to escort her in the lobby.[/QUOTE]

Now OS is quite fond of settling down in the room for a chat and a beer with the girls at his favourite rat hole after he has satisfied his lustful needs Some of them are so sweet that if OS could, he would marry them all. Once they get comfortable for a chat, they are off and running at their national pastime and it is so nice to listen to a window into somebody's life. Given you have already got the really intimate bit of a relationship out of the way it is so easy to work backwards to have an open discussion with them about their lives.

Turns out ha ha, that one of you sick puppies, apparently American according to the girl. Went there with a razor and a hosties uniform, Sat the girl down for a tidy up in the nether regions with the razor and then dressed her up in the red air hostess outfit for an hour. OS is guessing it was probably sans underwear.

OS had a good chuckle and wondered if it might have been Smoothy, but not sure he is around town just now. But whoever you are- if you are reading this, you better go get some help. Don't forget to identify yourself first thoughif you are reading heh heh! We won't judge you for it.

For the record, she was a nice girl, from Lampung district in Sumatra if OS memory serves him well, she had been 3 years working at one of the large Japanese electronic factories in Cikarang making air conditioners for a salary of IDR 4,500,000/ month and then they didn't renew her contract.

Hopefully in her new air hostess job the conditions were better, free uniform, personal groomer, underwear optional.

I have had good success using Badoo and OkCupid. Try it out. Might get lucky.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2759161]Planning for March trip. Going to Jakarta and Yogyakarta. Hoping to get a companion to do the sights in Yogyakarta. Have gone to Jakarta long time ago and had a good time courtesy to the tour guide at the hotel who fixed me up with two pretty and friendly girls. Went to all the tours and had fun.

This time want to meet a girl in Jakarta and take her to Yogyakarta. Not sure what dating site to hit. Just need help from fellow mongers experienced in Jakarta.

As usual I plan early and need plenty of back ups in case.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been to Jakarta, but its on my list of places to visit. Here is the list from my stash -.

Zaigon Spa.

King Cross.

Malio.

Hotel Classic.

Sun City Massage.

New Medika.

Mr. Braid.

If you search for twitter handles such as #jakartabo #availjakpus # - just make sure they are not lady boys.

FYI: These stash are from few years, so I don't know which is still open.

[QUOTE=LonelyFriend1;2760318]Hello guys,

I am traveling to Jakarta this week and will spend 4 days there. I need some senior assistance to meet independent girls who can really participate and make the moments remembered forever. Kind seniors and souls, help me with the indi contacts. I will come up with the trip experience as report in my next post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2760960]I have had good success using Badoo and OkCupid. Try it out. Might get lucky.[/QUOTE]I found a girl who I had met before covid. She was 23 then and now 26 and still willing to meet me at the airport and stay with me and travel to Yogyakarta and in effect whole trip of 5 days. Looks good with big boobs, slightly chubby but cute face. When I enquired about compensation said she will not be demanding because we are going on vacation. Not sure how much per day should I compensate. Trip is not till March. I know I might miss on some local talent. I doubt I will get get GFE from others. This one really wants to be with me. I will keep trolling but I do not want pretty stuck up girls.

Are you Paid Okcupid member or regular member?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2760960]I have had good success using Badoo and OkCupid. Try it out. Might get lucky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2761099]I found a girl who I had met before covid. She was 23 then and now 26 and still willing to meet me at the airport and stay with me and travel to Yogyakarta and in effect whole trip of 5 days. Looks good with big boobs, slightly chubby but cute face. When I enquired about compensation said she will not be demanding because we are going on vacation. Not sure how much per day should I compensate. Trip is not till March. I know I might miss on some local talent. I doubt I will get get GFE from others. This one really wants to be with me. I will keep trolling but I do not want pretty stuck up girls.[/QUOTE]Sounds like great fun, untill day two when you are sitting in your room and you are already know every curve of her body and the room girl smiles at you. Those last three days can stretch out forever. OS acknowledges here that some personalities can make the best of every situation but OS prefers not to get in that position from the outset. Remember, you aren't rewarding her for having sex with you. You are rewarding her to go away afterwards.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2761099]This one really wants to be with me. I will keep trolling but I do not want pretty stuck up girls.[/QUOTE]There are many many benefits to taking a 7 who will say thanks rather than a 9 who will be demanding high end meals, entertainment, gifts etc.

Assuming she is Muslim, it's a nice touch to give her a few sheckles a day or so before leaving so that she can decide on keeping cash for later use or go and buy tourist gifts to take home for Ramadan. How many sheckles? For a civilian, 500 to 1000 k per day would be ample.

Enjoy. There is certainly enough in Jogja to keep you busy for 5 days.

G.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2761206] Remember, you aren't rewarding her for having sex with you. You are rewarding her to go away afterwards.[/QUOTE]The one thing we sometimes tend to forget when we are falling in lust with a young university student. Getting too attached can lead to some major issues. Been there, just had it blow up in my face and now it's rule number 1 as above.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2761227]The one thing we sometimes tend to forget when we are falling in lust with a young university student. Getting too attached can lead to some major issues. Been there, just had it blow up in my face and now it's rule number 1 as above.[/QUOTE]True, there are a gazillion students in Jogja but it's hardly Uber Eats for home delivered pussy. I could see a couple of days disappearing for someone new to town to find their feet etc.

Assuming Sam's new friend passes a road test prior to departure from Jakarta, then BYO could be the preferred option for a short visit. It's only 5 days, what could possibly go wrong (famous last words)?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2761308]True, there are a gazillion students in Jogja but it's hardly Uber Eats for home delivered pussy. I could see a couple of days disappearing for someone new to town to find their feet etc.

Assuming Sam's new friend passes a road test prior to departure from Jakarta, then BYO could be the preferred option for a short visit. It's only 5 days, what could possibly go wrong (famous last words)?

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Generally I can put up with a girl for few days but if she shows GFE no problem. The issue is I need a companion for the trip to Yogyakarta. Hate to go alone for sightseeing. If I am staying put in Jakarta I will experiment getting new girls every day even if it is hit and miss. This girl I am chatting speaks good English so it is not just fucking. I have till February to book her ticket. Meanwhile chat and troll many and make a final decision.

[QUOTE=LonelyFriend1;2760318]Hello guys,

I am traveling to Jakarta this week and will spend 4 days there. I need some senior assistance to meet independent girls who can really participate and make the moments remembered forever. Kind seniors and souls, help me with the indi contacts. I will come up with the trip experience as report in my next post.[/QUOTE]Here is my list:

1. the Heaven Dharmawangsa (only go for number 20, Devana, you won't regret).

2. New Kimochi (everyone is good, they used to have a girl 333, she was gorgeous, very middle-eastern looks, not sure if she still exists though, last time I ventured there was pre-pandemic).

3. G2 Spa (same estb as Mr Braid) ask for April. She's amazing.

4. Aquarius at Blok M. Again, my last visit was pre-pandemic.

5. New Vins at Iskandar muda (close to pondok indah).

6. Mars spa Pondok indah.

To be avoided like a plague.

1. Delta at Pondok Indah.

2. Cherry at Dhrmwangsa.

3. Mayzo at setiabudi.

4. Junda karaoke (though run by the same owner as Braid, this one is over priced and under whelming).

Hi All, I am member of both and was wondering if you guys pay for OKcupid or Badoo subscription in order to send messages to desireable members.

Thanking about signing up for either one or both before travelling.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Rhind;2756837]I was on a short work trip to Jakarta and was stationed in central Jakarta in a nice 5 star hotel.

I have had RTFF and was having slight a bit of idea of what to expect and what to not. Had zeni's map for reference.

Soon with my work situation and other logistics I realised that I won't be able to venture into the areas where the action is. Do decided to register Tinder and try my luck. Bought Tinder gold as well.

During day time there was sparring response but to my surprise after 9 pm it suddenly burst into activity. A lot of offers to in room massage and other carnal desires with lot of fake photos and profiles and claims upto 1 m for short session.

In all of that chaos, one verified profile caught my eye. She asked for 700 k and later said whole night.

Soon switched to WhatsApp for better photos and verification call and agreed to meet. It as almost 12 in night by that time but she said she'll join.

The girl arrived at hotel in 45 minutes. I was ready with my dose of spedra. (I found it suits me better than other like cialis or viagra).

She was a absolute Java beauty. Tall, no extra far, full lips and body. Carried herself very well. So I was happy to escort her in the lobby.

Hotel staff choose to ignore it.

At the room, she smelled really good. Nice medium size firm tits but totally supple young girl. I like it that way.

The action was good, had could of rounds with missionary, doggy, cowgirl, prone and leap frog.

The girl was absolutely wild and kept kissing like wild.

She cum and shuddered on top of me twice. Slept at 3.

I got up at 7, woke her up from slumber and took her again.

Kissed her goodby around 9, with extra 100 as tip.

Overall a very good deal for 800 k I suppose.[/QUOTE]NIce to read your report, would love to know more details if you willing. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2761099]I found a girl who I had met before covid. She was 23 then and now 26 and still willing to meet me at the airport and stay with me and travel to Yogyakarta and in effect whole trip of 5 days. Looks good with big boobs, slightly chubby but cute face. When I enquired about compensation said she will not be demanding because we are going on vacation. Not sure how much per day should I compensate. Trip is not till March. I know I might miss on some local talent. I doubt I will get get GFE from others. This one really wants to be with me. I will keep trolling but I do not want pretty stuck up girls.[/QUOTE]At least a Million idr you should consider including all expenses paid.

[QUOTE=Rhind;2756837]I was on a short work trip to Jakarta and was stationed in central Jakarta in a nice 5 star hotel.

I have had RTFF and was having slight a bit of idea of what to expect and what to not. Had zeni's map for reference.

Soon with my work situation and other logistics I realised that I won't be able to venture into the areas where the action is. Do decided to register Tinder and try my luck. Bought Tinder gold as well.

During day time there was sparring response but to my surprise after 9 pm it suddenly burst into activity. A lot of offers to in room massage and other carnal desires with lot of fake photos and profiles and claims upto 1 m for short session.

In all of that chaos, one verified profile caught my eye. She asked for 700 k and later said whole night.

Soon switched to WhatsApp for better photos and verification call and agreed to meet. It as almost 12 in night by that time but she said she'll join.

The girl arrived at hotel in 45 minutes. I was ready with my dose of spedra. (I found it suits me better than other like cialis or viagra).

She was a absolute Java beauty. Tall, no extra far, full lips and body. Carried herself very well. So I was happy to escort her in the lobby.

Hotel staff choose to ignore it.

At the room, she smelled really good. Nice medium size firm tits but totally supple young girl. I like it that way.

The action was good, had could of rounds with missionary, doggy, cowgirl, prone and leap frog.

The girl was absolutely wild and kept kissing like wild.

She cum and shuddered on top of me twice. Slept at 3.

I got up at 7, woke her up from slumber and took her again.

Kissed her goodby around 9, with extra 100 as tip.

Overall a very good deal for 800 k I suppose.[/QUOTE]Hi Rhind, I tried sending you a DM, but to no avail. The site says you have chosen not to accept direct messages (Request if there is a way you can share details and democratize happiness.

[QUOTE=KiwiTiger;2756736]A few months ago I enquired if anyone had used any of the online platforms to buy Cialis in Jakarta... two bottles of 10 pills of 80 MG. Each bottle was IDR120 k. Total plus delivery charge was IDR275 k. I believe in the end the source was a local apotek K24... Normally I take one 80 MG and I'm good for 3 or 4 sessions in the evening but with this batch didn't achieve that target. Also usually I get some mild side effects like a headache and other mild muscle aches which I deal with by taking it with two Panadol. [/QUOTE]Normal dosage of Cialis for ED is 10 MG or 20 MG, so 80 MG is either meant for a horse, or some other substance.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2761099]I found a girl who I had met before covid. She was 23 then and now 26 and still willing to meet me at the airport and stay with me and travel to Yogyakarta and in effect whole trip of 5 days. Looks good with big boobs, slightly chubby but cute face. When I enquired about compensation said she will not be demanding because we are going on vacation. Not sure how much per day should I compensate. Trip is not till March. I know I might miss on some local talent. I doubt I will get get GFE from others. This one really wants to be with me. I will keep trolling but I do not want pretty stuck up girls.[/QUOTE]Why you want to pay her if she's not P4P and doesn't want money?

[QUOTE=Sydpat;2761800]At least a Million idr you should consider including all expenses paid.[/QUOTE]It is approximately $64. Ofcourse all expenses will be paid by me. Thanks.

Its from badoo.

Name: Alya.

Link: [URL]https://badoo.com/profile/0zAhMACjE4MjY3ODYyNDYITYhvYAAAAAAgdBXbc30UwjnOl0hUYLbYYlKj__0DEDcJ9SJ5wp5YLuc[/URL].

I am extremely disappointed in the forum now. There was a time when everyone was sharing with everyone and we all could enjoy. However over last few months, I am observing there are more and more leeches who just want information but do not want to share the goodness with others. Therefore, I have decided, I will now carry on my mongering in solitude and obscurity that this forum deserves. No more reviews and updates from my side.

God bless you all. Signing out.

BL.

I am thinking about signing up for Badoo, Are you a paid member or free one?

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2762507]Its from badoo.

Name: Alya.

Link: [URL]https://badoo.com/profile/0zAhMACjE4MjY3ODYyNDYITYhvYAAAAAAgdBXbc30UwjnOl0hUYLbYYlKj__0DEDcJ9SJ5wp5YLuc[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2762221]Hi Rhind, I tried sending you a DM, but to no avail. The site says you have chosen not to accept direct messages (Request if there is a way you can share details and democratize happiness.[/QUOTE]I saw your disappointed recent post. Unfortunately I don't have subscription active anymore to reply to DM.

She goes by many Sonia on Tinder with a verified profile. You'll see a tick on her profile.

If I share number admin will delete the post.

I guess this is good enough info to find her on Tinder.

Happy hunting.

I think a lot of experienced mongers have moved on to discord. But not sure. Jakarta has always been mysteriously hard to get updated boots on the ground info on.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2762239]Why you want to pay her if she's not P4P and doesn't want money?[/QUOTE]Yes 1 million idr per day.

The reason is they are poor but honest, if you pay them then they respect you and give you peace and also protect you against all local issues and language issue. They become your local guide and support you with all evantuality.

So its good to build good relationship, I am sure 1 mio idr will give you less then an hour with girls in your country so this small amount is worth.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2762792]I think a lot of experienced mongers have moved on to discord. But not sure. Jakarta has always been mysteriously hard to get updated boots on the ground info on.[/QUOTE]I agree and seconded that, there are very few mongers from overseas are back to Jakarta, this is because flights are prohibitive expensive and country is just opened up. You are lucky you are already there but others will contribute once they reach the place and flight price get settled.

Currently if I want to fly to Jakarta it cost me 4 times then what I used to pay pre covid days, so waiting for more airline to operate and bring price down.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2762792]I think a lot of experienced mongers have moved on to discord. But not sure. Jakarta has always been mysteriously hard to get updated boots on the ground info on.[/QUOTE]Do you have any discord channels worth joining?

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2757727]Classic Hotel report: I am permanently damaged and my emotional health is ruined. First time in Jakarta, I went to Classic 3 consecutive nights. I also visited Indah Kota one night, but it was forgettable by comparison. Originally intended to visit Classic one night, Keplah Gading another, and then go to Mr Braid on the 3rd, but things turned out different.

I arrived at classic at about 1800 on Saturday night, courtesy of a.

28 k go-car which dropped me off at the roadside. ID RTFF, and as much as I could on other sites, and my plan was to visit the 3rd floor, sample a couple of Indonesian girls and maybe visit the 'bunker' after. Walked on up to the hotel and followed a loud thumping bass soundtrack towards the righthand side. In through a glass door and saw the entrance to a nightclub at ground level. Door security paid me no attention so I decided to go with plan A, and found an escalator that took me up a level. The lobby was huge and deserted. Another escalator to floor 3 and there's a new soundtrack to follow. Was welcomed at the door. Security wanted to frisk me for weapons / police radios / copies of Quran, while a lady slipped a numbered wristband onto my right hand and waved at a sign informing a minimum spend of 40 k every day except Sunday which is 30 k. Then the door to heaven opened. A gaggle of clucking mamasans with laser pointers await just inside the door to ensnare unwary visitors and March them to a table close to their particular pool of talent. I was lucky. I somehow got picked up by a mama with a crystal ball for a skull and a magic wand up her bum, because after ushering me to a table with a good view of the live band on stage, she arranged me a bottle of bintang and then informed me she knew what kind of girls I liked. "A huh" I thought. 90 seconds later she's introducing me to a flawless, slim 18 yo who could have stepped straight off the catwalk in Milan. Her name is S, who gave me a shy smile and squeezed my hand. Mama said 'no baby, new girl here'. Bintang came out my nose. Everything went blurry for a couple seconds. Mama nailed it. Mama said 365,000 rupiah (750 baht) and she was mine to take to a room for an hour. I nodded like I had some semblance of coherent thoughts rushing through my head and proceeded to slowly finish my beer, trying to take in the room. I didn't want to just take the very first thing I was presented, at the same time I'm thinking that I had either died and gone to heaven or else I was about to wake up from a dream very very disappointed. The band on stage were playing a mix of covers, some really well, some not. The music was excellent, the vocals less so. Maybe half a dozen locals are dotted around the place and I can see at least 5 different groups of girls in clusters on the couches around the perimeter of the room. About 40 girls in total, all looking utterly disinterested in the world. Nothing else to see here. 4 red ones got handed to mama, the change returned to her as a tip and mama handed S a slip of paper and a condom in a paper packet. S disappeared for a moment to fetch her bag, and then lead me across the room, down the stairs and into the maze of ST rooms below. No need to give a lurid account of what happens in the room, the memories are mine to treasure. It goes like this. Floor staff check the paperwork, assign a room, and ask if you want drinks. They also ask hopefully for a tip. They don't get grumpy if you say no, but the 2nd time round with a different girl I gave them 20 k each and they were more cheerful after that. Some foreplay on the bed until drinks arrive. S ordered a iced cappuccino and I copied her, and it was a great idea. Room is basic but clean and functional. There's a shower, towels, a bed, a mirror, AC set to cold, and the phone rings with 5 minutes to go as a warning bell. S was closer to starfish than pornstar, inexperienced and all, but there was an element of GFE. She came more than once herself and cuddled up cutely, which blew my mind. See, I expected her to pretend to like me and tolerate our time together as a means to an end. Like those stoney faced girls at rainbow 4 in NEP when you buy them a LD and they sit at arms length from you. Not enjoy it so much she wanted to swap whatsapps and keep in touch and tell me she loves me. This must be what it feels like to be a young wealthy good looking Korean boy in Bangkok. I'm feeling stupidly happy so I tip her 400 k for her trouble. That's 800 baht. Am I overpaying? I don't think so but S is happy. We walk back up to the club slowly, and parted ways. I've probably got a stupid grin on my face. I didn't realize it, but I've contracted Indonitis.

Back in the club. Its now closer to 8, and the place has filled up a bit, many of the tables are occupied including my previous one so I take another in a different spot. The band has been replaced by 2 girls in mesh tops and panties doing some variations of the Bangkok shuffle mixed with unchoreographed tiktok or kpop dance moves, to the sound of 'caralarm' EDM at max volume. My new table comes with a new mamsan who also apparently knows what kind of girls I like. She's pretty onto it as well, because I'm soon introduced to and, who is a friendly and outgoing 22 yo, also with a stunning slim body and creamy smooth skin. While mama is keen to push us off to the room and collect the $, I want to linger a bit. The boobs on the dancers are excellent, buoyant see-cups. The room is very dim, apart from a little spotlight on each table and lighting over the couches where the girls sit. Since the girls make endless trips to the bathroom (in pairs) and are also regularly being called for lineups at tables, you are treated to a never ending parade of shapely silhouettes parading, deliberately stalking along slowly on their hooker heels with delicious poise. Reminds me of the opening credits of a james bond movie. Its mesmerizing and I'm constantly seeing girls I'd go for. The indo body shape is a broad mix, but there's only a couple ID call fat, a dozen slim beauties that would be front and centre in rainbow 4/5, aka my fav type, and the rest would still be the equal or better than average for a Bangkok gogo, with defined waists and a bit more natural boob and butt than Thai girls. Very few tattoos. Ages ID guess 18-25. Faces, there's some variety but average is a mostly smooth girl-next door looks that are pleasant but not standout. Softer than the classical Thai high cheekbone face. Most wear evening dress or casual summer street clothes, and there'd a couple in denim shorts and crop tops. Over the days I enquired with different girls, and got told skinny girls are not the generally preferred body shape for indo men. Excellent news for me! And drinks bintang with me. It comes in 750 ML bottles, and we have beer mugs and an ice bucket.

I pay the money to fuck and and repeat the process. And is far more bouncy and active, pushing me back on the bed and taking a lead at times. More a pro. Tip 300 k to her. Back to the club. Its now around 10 pm, its pretty full, and the stock of girls on couches is depleted. I decided to find out how much ID spent, so I go to counter and check out. Bill is 450 k, paid in cash, receipt issued. The wristband is handed in and I received a slip of paper bundled with a little wooden paddle, which is your ticket to get out the door with the graceful thanks of the door staff.

Outside the door I walk out to the road, call a car ride using gojek and 8 minutes / 30 k later I'm back at my hotel.

Day 2 - Bianca. During the day S messages me to say she's not working tonight, she's back with her mum. Does she want to meet me? No. She needs a day off. Ok. I'm back to Classic anyway, arriving about 1800 again. It seems that if you want to snare a nice catch you got to get there early. A bluebird taxi this time, drives through a labyrinth hotel entry way to deliver me to the front door of the actual hotel classic. I walk through some glass doors into the large atrium where the escalators are. This time I put my head into the bunker on the way in, its deserted. No fun there. Thankfully no minimum charge on Sundays, so I leave without spending a rupiah. On up to level 3, in the door and this time I get set upon by the most pushy mamasan of the lot. Within what seemed like seconds she had 3 19 yo babyless girls at a table with me loudly proclaiming it was 2 for 500 k, but how many girls did I want? 2, 3? 4? she has more on the sofa. Her selected girls are good looking, and the arse-waist-tits ratios make your hands start to move on their own. But I turn down her offer of a threesome with 2 smiling 19 yo girls for 1000 baht. Some part of my brain gave me a weird look. 'You wot, mate?' Yes. Mama was a bit pushy and it put me off like that. Same cover band playing. Same disinterested girls in groups. I spy a tall, skinny thing with a distinctive and attractive face, albeit unsmiling as she chats to the girl next to her. In Bangkok my ladyboy radar would have gone off at her height and slenderness. After a bit mama sees me looking and I get introduced to Bianca. She's 20, a solo mum, super skinny. I like skinny girls. Wide hips, tiny waist and modest boobs. She's demure and sweet. I decide to take for 2 hours, which is simply 2 x 365 k to mamasan. I hand over 750 k and leave her the change, not going to give her any more than that. We had a nice session together, and again, like S, we seemed to connect. Her body had survived a natural childbirth in outstanding shape with the only marks being some small stretch marks on her boobs. She also came repeatedly during our session. Indo girls seem to be really horny and into it. 2 hours gave us some cuddle time and I could tell when the phone went she really didn't want to get up and leave. 500 k tip for 2 hours. She asks Whatsapp please? Ok. Back to the club. The dancers alternate with the live band. There's 3 dancers now, skimpy outfits. One can dance well, 2 can't and seem baffled trying to follow #1's lead. A bit later I'm back in the room banging a more curvy white skinned girl from seleasi somewhere. I forget. She was. More forgettable. In a rush for me to finish. Oh well, you got to expect some losses, I was fairly satisfied and only wanted to tick a box with her face beside it. Yet afterwards she was all keen for my contact and suddenly very friendly. On returning to the club after that its about midnight, so I take a walk about to see it clearly. There's very few girls left on the couches now. Its larger than thought. A sea of tables near the stage, and then around a corner there's half a dozen pool tables, some comfortable looking booths and in the far corner more unoccupied couches. I call it a night. Walk out front, get a gojek to hotel.

Day 3 - S contacts me and confirms she wants to see me again but only via Classic Hotel. Not keen on visiting me in my hotel. She starts at 1500, what time will I be there? She will wait for me. OK. I'm down to start a bit earlier to see S again, and maybe get back to the hotel earlier since I have a flight the next day. ID love to see S again. I take a bluebird taxi to classic at 1600. Get hit on by mamasans as usual, fend them off, choose a table in about the right spot, order a bintang and start looking round. Can't see her. Difficulty finding right mamasan. Never actually saw where S's couch spot was on Saturday. Oh well. I have plenty of time. Oh shit! I hope my girl isn't being defiled by some other client! The thought hurts. After a few minutes someone seems to recognize S's name. Meanwhile I spot a gorgeous cutie whose appeared t the far end of a couch. If I need a backup plan I've found it, in fact maybe I should be hoping S has disappeared somehow becuase this cutie is drawing all my attention. A couple moments later the cutie moves and starts to look familiar. It IS S. I wasnt wrong, she is stunning! She had been hiding out in the restrooms until 1600, waiting for me to arrive. I'm falling in love, and take her for 3 hours. While waiting for drinks to arrive in the room I start to touch her, she shudders and she's dripping wet already. She either really really does like me, or she's a world class actor as well as super model. <skip gory details. Use your imaginations. I also used a viabrator ID brought along and it went well. About an hours worth of 69 . Cuddles. Sad good byes. 700 k tip for 3 hours. I get back into the club proper and offered a table marked 'reserved' by S's mamasan who fends off another mamsan for me so I can chill in peace and watch the dancers stumble through their routine. And, also from the first night comes over but I don't want to visit a room right now so I pay the fee for her to squirm around in my lap for a while. I spend a bit longer understanding how the system works. The mamasans are pretty chill once they know you, all except for one whose a touch crazy. The really pushy one who santed to make an early bird special and sell me 4 girls at once. I lie awake in bed that night weighing up missing my flight the next day, and moving to Jakarta. I want to take S, take her out of the club and put her through university, see her on weekends and snuggle up at nights watching TV. I want to hold her hand during longwalks on the beach. I'm in love and I know its stupid. I must break my phone, leave Jakarta today, and NOT return to classic ever again because I just can't get S out of my head. Like the Kylie Minogue song.

Classic info:

Entry. Free, but 40 k minimum spend.

Drinks:

Big bottle bintang 94000.

Ice coffee 28000.

Water 25000.

Pack of smokes 50000.

Cocktails = 140000 or something ridiculous, I foolishly let a girl order one not realizing.

Buy a Shot to grope a dance girl - 5000.

So not really expensive at all by international standards, apart from cocktails. It seems alcohol in general is expensive in Indonesia. There's no incentive for them to get you to order LDs except for their drinking pleasure, mama does the talking and she wants you to sell you a girl, not a drink.

Cost to have a girl sit with you for as long as you like at the table, OR to take her to a room for an hour: 365000 either way. She will squirm in your lap a little, and you can give her a squeeze but nothing too hands on. It would be great if I spoke Bahasa. Mileage is a bit crap for this if you don't speak it, but local guys seemed to enjoy spending time with the girls this way either at a table or on a couch. Google translate got me through all the encounters but its a bit too clumsy for this.

Your wristband number is used to keep count on your tab for the club. Its double checked at every stage, and you sign the chit for everything that goes on it, although the chits arnt priced. You do get an itemised bill when you go to cash up, and your wristband is exchanged for your exit ticket. No exit ticket, no exit. Or broken legs or something. Didn't want to test to find out. There's enough dudes who just hang around the place to ensure their security.

365000 gets handed in cash straight to mamasan for the girl. She will offer you the change. I figured that 70 baht could generously go to manasan as a gesture of a tip. Its not much.

Tip in room for girl goes straight to girl. I worked on 300 k being tip for good service, and it seemed to be positively received, so maybe 300 k is 'generous'. It seems from the comments I might have been larger than the average client so 300 k didn't seem out of place. Speaking of, I saw zero other white folks in the place over 3 nights. All were locals I believe, a mixture of age groups. I seemed equally as welcome as anyone else.

Tip: if you walk back through into the hotel proper, and then out their main entrance, there is a bluebird taxi on standby there, which is quick and handy. Bluebirds have cards to get through all the security gates etc, whereas commok gojek go-cars can't. You can order either a go-car or a bluebird using the gojek app, and the price is virtually the same. It costs nothing to get the app setup and you then pay cash to the driver. I installed it before I even got to Jakarta. BB taxi to airport came in at 180 k or thereabouts FYI.

Smoking- if you can tolerate it, you'll be OK. If you can't, don't go to Indonesia full stop. It must be the least 'smokefree' country in the world. Even the hotel lobby smelt vaguely like smoke. Or maybe that was my clothes after being in classic.[/QUOTE]Excellent post!!

Just to add, I do recommend first timers to book the Classic hotel online during a rainy stay. There ain't nothing better than leaving your room, going down an elevator, walking across reception, riding up an escalator, and heading into floor 3/5 under the same roof during a storm. Upon entry, the only lit areas are the restrooms, girlie sofas, billiard tables, and main stage. The mamasans are so pushy that nobody will enjoy their dim lit table or walk the pussy perimeter peacefully. Alcoholic beverages are highly taxed for conservative reasons. And classic girls seem to really follow the "covered" rule. I did get one to surrender for BBFS but that's a long pricey story. On the other hand, I recommend Kota Indah and wherever the train track scene moved only for the adventure seekers. Barely legal tight cuties, fraction of the usual average cost, and BBFS straight up without mentioning a tip. I do overtip as long as the girl doesn't act like a starfish though. Even though I'm caucasian, I dress plain like a local, use simple words / body language, stay near safe groups, utilize the shadows at certain times, and etc. If a problem arises, then retreat. And lastly, I believe you can also bring the girl to your Classic hotel room with a little negotiation.

[QUOTE=Sydpat;2762804]I agree and seconded that, there are very few mongers from overseas are back to Jakarta, this is because flights are prohibitive expensive and country is just opened up. You are lucky you are already there but others will contribute once they reach the place and flight price get settled.

Currently if I want to fly to Jakarta it cost me 4 times then what I used to pay pre covid days, so waiting for more airline to operate and bring price down.[/QUOTE]I'd agree that the flights have hurt the local scene but you also have the loss of the concentrated foreigner friendly red light areas. Blok M is a shadow of its former self. This leaves the remaining areas spread out all over town and subject to horrendous traffic to get between them.

On the flip side, for guys prepared to put in some ground work, go to "scary" local areas, and allow some time to find their feet, the rewards are certainly there. Jakarta 9's rival the prettiest BKK gogo girls and Indo GFE rivals the sweetest Pina. I wouldn't count Jakarta out yet.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2757727]Classic Hotel report: I am permanently damaged and my emotional health is ruined...[/QUOTE]A great post. I've added to Reports of Distinction.

Some might say you were overly generous with your tips but you had a great time so it was $10 or 20 very well spent.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2762239]Why you want to pay her if she's not P4P and doesn't want money?[/QUOTE]Well, just because I met her on dating site does not mean she agreed to be with me out of goodness in her heart. Besides I always give money to keep it as a business deal. Not giving them any idea that it is long term relationship ending up in marriage.

In case she does not want any money I intend to buy her gifts or take her shopping.

Very rarely girls refused money from me in Asia. Some never even looked at how much I put in her purse. When I was younger I have met and had fun with tourist girls in my travels who were free. All the same I have taken them to nice restaurants and tours. I met two Japanese air hostesses on vacation in Rome and they were fun to be with. Norway girl in Tokyo I met walking sukiji seafood market. Danish girl in Phnom Penh when we were having breakfast in hotel. Girl from San Francisco in Beijing in a tour. Surprisingly she was kind of loaded having sold her business for two million dollars. She was traveling all over the world by herself. All of these girls needed some work to get into bed. Mainly tourist walks together, sightseeing, dinner etc.

But as you get older it is harder to get young girls to be befriended. There are older women but I look for only younger girls on datsites.

[QUOTE=Pppez80;2762848]Do you have any discord channels worth joining?[/QUOTE]None for Indonesia. I am unaware of any. I am in a few for Pattaya TH. I have only visited Jakarta Indo once and had a BLAST! Forgot if I posted about it here but in short. I stayed in Jakarta 2 weeks and never made it to Classic, Melio Club or Collusium. I went 100% Tinder and TanTan phone apps and got great results mostly. One lady wanted HUGE money up front but I respectfully declined and went on to the next. Ended up with a keeper for 1 week and was in heaven. Here's a few pics. Yup the keeper is by the Christmas tree. The Instagram poster lady told me she did not drink. Then when I drank some Jack Daniels she said "I try. ".

Loved that place. But I don't know if I would get the same results a few years later.

Anyone tried seeking at Jakarta? What is the typical price range?

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2761181]Are you Paid Okcupid member or regular member?[/QUOTE]Paid. Free one doesn't really get you far. I usually start fishing 1/2 months before my trip. One and only rule of thumb, don't send any money in advance.

Can anyone report on the status of CJ'S? Coming in March and was wondering if it's open now.

THANKS.

OS took a trip to Royal Gedong last week, a lokalisasi that has sprung up along the railway tracks near Penjaringan after the demise of Kalijodo. Being close to Muara Baru it would be sure to get plenty of cashed up fishermen and is indeed set up like all the seediest lokalisasi's. Dark, dirty with cafe's and blaring dangdut music lining a narrow internal alley built along the side of the railway embankment. Not an abundance of reliable parking so OS parked at the nearby indomaret and handed the parkir a 10 K note. There's squatter shacks under the toll road so a few urchins hassling for money as passing by and then turn left into the street, past the obligatory duck who quacked contentedly in her squalor and into the rabbit warren.

OS was early, about 7. 30 PM so place not yet cranking, after surveying some empty cafe's OS arrives at a cafe with maybe 8 x 18,19 and 20 yo hotties sitting on the bench outside. OK, now we are talking. OS picks a beautiful looking young lady, 20 yo who leads him upstairs to what one would describe as a stall, a flimsy door that opened outwards so OS and the lady could squeeze past a brick wash bay with tap and bucket maybe 600 x 600 and then directly onto this filthy single mattress laid on the floor. OS is standing in his boots on top of the mattress trying to get undressed without banging into anything. And wondering if he can bring himself to allow it to touch his naked skin. And herin lies the juxtposition: The girl was beautiful, 20 yo, from Lampung with big firm breasts and a lovely sweet attitude. How on earth had she found herself here?. OS was so excited to be undressing this magnificant package that he clean forgot the filthy bedding and soon had his big thing inserted deep inside and doing everything in his power not to blow instantly. Wanting to explore further now he was drunk on lust for the girls of Royal Gedong. OS managed somehow to contain his magnificent seed and after 10 minutes of in and out lustfullness, pulled out, thanked the young lady and handed her the obligatory 200,000 RP fee. Before washing judiciously his big thing with betadine soap while squatting in the washbay and drying himself with the included tissues that accompanied his paket.

Descending to the alley below and exploring further. One enterprising owner invited OS upstairs to see his stock who were still mostly sleeping and were not at all pleased to be looking at OS, who was by this time rather distracted by the 3 rats that were having a dispute over a scrap of food in the bucket by the door and of which, nobody else seemed in the remotest way alarmed by. OS politely declined and descended again before ascending again to say Hi to some groups of chubby ladies who were taking the evening airs by the railway tracks. Not being a big fan of chubby ladies even in 5 star hotels, OS declined again and wandered back down the alley past a pimp arguing with one of his girls and on to meet another gentleman who offered him another fresh 18 yo from Lampung, OS likes to ascertain no baby and then ascended again, to a marginally better repeat of round one although this time OS was unable to contain himself and blew a considerable load into his hand before frantically heading for the wash bay and the betadine soap. Another 200,000 and OS was on his way out of there as fast as he could go, past the duck who murmured "quack" and feeling quite disgusted.

It is certainly a window in to another world, Truly amazing.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2763326]Anyone tried seeking at Jakarta? What is the typical price range?[/QUOTE]I have been using seeking with great sucesses for. Past 6 months. Membership is $108 USD per month. Above averages girls go for 2-4 mil. The IG and models go much higher.

Realize its more expensive than other sites, but work for me. And everyone I met has been very friendly. Uusally a younger professoal type.

Hello, my mate is coming down from Aussie this week and wanted to take him to a higher-class brothel. He a bit of a timid monger, so he will not be happy at a lower rung place.

Any suggestions? I went to Malio a few times and that seem like a decent venue. Feels very legit and secure.

Some relax areas, massage, spas, mamasan to bring girls.

I would like to stay in the Central area.

I am appreciate for any advices.

[QUOTE=United1;2763613]Hello, my mate is coming down from Aussie this week and wanted to take him to a higher-class brothel. He a bit of a timid monger, so he will not be happy at a lower rung place.

Any suggestions? I went to Malio a few times and that seem like a decent venue. Feels very legit and secure.

Some relax areas, massage, spas, mamasan to bring girls.

I would like to stay in the Central area.

I am appreciate for any advices.[/QUOTE]I can recommend go to 1001 go to the 3rd floor where the spa is and ask for pappi Eric he will help you very good.

They have all kinds of girls, local, Thai, Kazakhstan, Vietnam and Chinese.

Colosseum Club 1001, Jl, Cengkeh Dalam 2 a, RT. 7/ RW. 7, Pinangsia, Kec. Taman Sari, Kota Jakarta Barat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 11110, Indonesië.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2763882]I can recommend go to 1001 go to the 3rd floor where the spa is and ask for pappi Eric he will help you very good.

They have all kinds of girls, local, Thai, Kazakhstan, Vietnam and Chinese.

Colosseum Club 1001, Jl, Cengkeh Dalam 2 a, RT. 7/ RW. 7, Pinangsia, Kec. Taman Sari, Kota Jakarta Barat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 11110, Indonesi.[/QUOTE]Thanks man.

I don't think he (nor I) would be comfortable at Coloseeum Club. Plus its too far from Central area. Any other recommenations? Or should I just stick with Malio.

[QUOTE=WeKilledKenny;2762872]Excellent post!!

Just to add, I do recommend first timers to book the Classic hotel online during a rainy stay. There ain't nothing better than leaving your room, going down an elevator, walking across reception, riding up an escalator, and heading into floor 3/5 under the same roof during a storm. Upon entry, the only lit areas are the restrooms, girlie sofas, billiard tables, and main stage. The mamasans are so pushy that nobody will enjoy their dim lit table or walk the pussy perimeter peacefully. Alcoholic beverages are highly taxed for conservative reasons. And classic girls seem to really follow the "covered" rule. I did get one to surrender for BBFS but that's a long pricey story. On the other hand, I recommend Kota Indah and wherever the train track scene moved only for the adventure seekers. Barely legal tight cuties, fraction of the usual average cost, and BBFS straight up without mentioning a tip. I do overtip as long as the girl doesn't act like a starfish though. Even though I'm caucasian, I dress plain like a local, use simple words / body language, stay near safe groups, utilize the shadows at certain times, and etc. If a problem arises, then retreat. And lastly, I believe you can also bring the girl to your Classic hotel room with a little negotiation.[/QUOTE]Going there in January. Booked a few nights at classic hotel first. Been through the Bandung saritem and had fun. Trying to find this Kota Indah.

You mentioned and failing to find in maps and other "resources". Would appreciate if you can help out as well other updated info that I can hunt out for.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2764053]Going there in January. Booked a few nights at classic hotel first. Been through the Bandung saritem and had fun. Trying to find this Kota Indah.

You mentioned and failing to find in maps and other "resources". Would appreciate if you can help out as well other updated info that I can hunt out for.[/QUOTE]Kotah Indah = google search for New Sariayu club, starmoon bar, and the kotah indah 'complex' will no longer be a mystery.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2764089]Kotah Indah = google search for New Sariayu club, starmoon bar, and the kotah indah 'complex' will no longer be a mystery.[/QUOTE]Thanks, super grateful for the intel. Regarding hotels, are the surrounding hotels near by girl friendly? Is it possible to bring the kotah indah girls back to these girls for a few hour sessions?

At wekilledkenny.

- the reply came off dickish, didn't mean it since I was rush typing on my cell. Edited reply.

*Edit* You mentioned "kotah indah, but I failed" to find in maps and other "resources". Would appreciate if you can help out as well other updated info that I can hunt out for.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2764179]Thanks, super grateful for the intel. Regarding hotels, are the surrounding hotels near by girl friendly? Is it possible to bring the kotah indah girls back to these girls for a few hour sessions? [/QUOTE]Not 100% sure about hotels. I gather most are GF but the MO at Kotah Indah, like Classic, is they have rooms on site to use and that's what you DP. I've read takeaway is possible, but disproportionally pricey. I've heard they basically ask for 5 x the hourly rate to takeaway all night. Since I can't communicate all that well over google translate more than a 2-3 session with a girl seemed wasted to me. I went to New Sariayu the first night in Jakarta. Got dropped off by taxi. Inside was fairly relaxed, mamasan forward but not too pushy. Took a nice enough girl to a room, she was 20 or 22, medium build, no baby, and it was all OK, but didn't really seem anything special. Tipped her 200 k. Also looked into Starmoon bar but in both places the talent didn't have any standouts that made me yearn to return. Girls were 20 - 28 at a guess, average height / weight / looks.

So I went to Classic the next night, and as per FR, spotted some girls that did it for me, returned 2 more nights after and had a great time there. YMMV, and it all may change week to week. Or even day by day as girls don't work every day.

I found girls on tantan and tagged that would appear to be setup in hotels in that same area as KI to accept in call. Asking price 400-500 k. They might do outcall. Photos looked to be hiding more than they were showing even if they did claim to be 19 - 22. Could be risky? Didn't get desperate enough to try. Also there are FL on twitter who will do outcalls to your hotel. Photos are shopped and some profiles loook to be run byan agency, others seem more independent. I had them on backup should I not find anything to my liking at KI or classic, but again Classic delivered for me when I was there.

All I can think about Jakarta is how I want to be back there, and also to explore some of the other venues, both higher end like Malio or KG area, and down-market too like the train track environs so well reported on recently by OS.

Also FYI, while I was quite generous tipping the girls I liked, and returning change to their respective mamasans, I held back on everyone else. Don't even start tipping the other people around. I figured if you started youd get set upon by everyone, as has been reported by other first timers in these places.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2764179]Thanks, super grateful for the intel. Regarding hotels, are the surrounding hotels near by girl friendly? Is it possible to bring the kotah indah girls back to these girls for a few hour sessions?

At wekilledkenny.

- the reply came off dickish, didn't mean it since I was rush typing on my cell. Edited reply.

*Edit* You mentioned "kotah indah, but I failed" to find in maps and other "resources". Would appreciate if you can help out as well other updated info that I can hunt out for.[/QUOTE]As mentioned, just search Kota Indah in Google and you'll receive results like Starmoon, MTV, Royal. Just a walking distance from the train station, the bars are part of a one way circular loop with many other bars starting and ending at Jalan Pangeran Jayakarta. The loop is the Kota Indah complex. Mileage may vary with hotels. I've been able to see my Starmoon girl but before her shift and required some negotiation. I do recommend to exercise caution in these parts of Jakarta, especially the train tracks.

Hello.

Does any have intels on Fortune Spa located near Citiwalk Malls. Yesterday I went to check out. It looks very old, run down from outside. Inside the mamasan hosts were quite pretty, but they would not show me an girls, only photos on their phone of who was available and star level. Didn't not look as nice as Malio, so I decided to leave.

I didn't not see much RTFF on this place. So now I ask question to group.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2763418]OS took a trip to Royal Gedong last week, a lokalisasi that has sprung up along the railway tracks near Penjaringan after the demise of Kalijodo. Being close to Muara Baru it would be sure to get plenty of cashed up fishermen and is indeed set up like all the seediest lokalisasi's. Dark, dirty with cafe's and blaring dangdut music lining a narrow internal alley built along the side of the railway embankment. Not an abundance of reliable parking so OS parked at the nearby indomaret and handed the parkir a 10 K note. There's squatter shacks under the toll road so a few urchins hassling for money as passing by and then turn left into the street, past the obligatory duck who quacked contentedly in her squalor and into the rabbit warren...

It is certainly a window into another world, Truly amazing.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great field report. I had visited Kali Jodi back in 2007 a few times when a girl I had met in one of the MPs near Stadium moved to one of the dumps there and texted me her new address. I ended up visiting 3 places, all with second-floor cubicles, but no fat ladies, all the girls were young and slender with virtually no English. Reading your description was like taking a time machine.

I wrote a few reports here on ISG, one of which included a photo of the rickety bridge over the canal to get there, I remember Menteng commenting on the photo.

And similar to you, I had a great session with an 18-year-old country girl with big firm breasts and a sweet attitude, and I remember saying the same thing as you "how did she end up here?

Yes, a different world.

[QUOTE=United1;2764778]Hello.

Does any have intels on Fortune Spa located near Citiwalk Malls. Yesterday I went to check out. It looks very old, run down from outside. Inside the mamasan hosts were quite pretty, but they would not show me an girls, only photos on their phone of who was available and star level. Didn't not look as nice as Malio, so I decided to leave.

I didn't not see much RTFF on this place. So now I ask question to group.[/QUOTE]Great location, across from LE Meridien Hotel near the Transjakarta bus line, had a good Middle East / Mediterraneum restaurant off the lobby. I visited here several times during 2006-08 but haven't been there since. Even then, it was ok but not as nice as Malioboro, and only photos of the girls were available. The rooms were nice but that was a long time ago.

Besides being close to where I lived, the main reason I went here was that it stayed open throughout Ramadan, it featured a couple of Christian / Catholic girls who were happy to work and pick up the increased number of customers and tips.

Hopefully someone can give more current info than me.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2764836], and I remember saying the same thing as you "how did she end up here?[/QUOTE]Typically dad's gambling debts.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2760508]Now OS is quite fond of settling down in the room for a chat and a beer with the girls at his favourite rat hole after he has satisfied his lustful needs Some of them are so sweet that if OS could, he would marry them all. Once they get comfortable for a chat, they are off and running at their national pastime and it is so nice to listen to a window into somebody's life. Given you have already got the really intimate bit of a relationship out of the way it is so easy to work backwards to have an open discussion with them about their lives.

Turns out ha ha, that one of you sick puppies, apparently American according to the girl. Went there with a razor and a hosties uniform, Sat the girl down for a tidy up in the nether regions with the razor and then dressed her up in the red air hostess outfit for an hour. OS is guessing it was probably sans underwear.

OS had a good chuckle and wondered if it might have been Smoothy, but not sure he is around town just now. But whoever you are- if you are reading this, you better go get some help. Don't forget to identify yourself first thoughif you are reading heh heh! We won't judge you for it.

For the record, she was a nice girl, from Lampung district in Sumatra if OS memory serves him well, she had been 3 years working at one of the large Japanese electronic factories in Cikarang making air conditioners for a salary of IDR 4,500,000/ month and then they didn't renew her contract.

Hopefully in her new air hostess job the conditions were better, free uniform, personal groomer, underwear optional.[/QUOTE]I'm way too lazy to shave the girls. But I wouldn't mind them dressing in a Lion Air Hostess outfit. I wonder where I can get one of those outfits.

As I am returning to Jakarta after three years I wonder if there has been any changes in prices for st and LT. For sure it varies a lot, but what are your experiences? I am going to meet a few women I befriended in 2019, regulars you might say. Now, I cannot remember what I gave then back then: I think it was 500 k st and 1 m LT, but my memories are waning. What is generally expected? We are talking about attractive part-timers, in their 20's.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2764915]I'm way too lazy to shave the girls. But I wouldn't mind them dressing in a Lion Air Hostess outfit. I wonder where I can get one of those outfits.[/QUOTE]At CGK in the domestic terminal. I've sported a severe erection many many times checking out the Lion Air Batik AirAsia Citilink girls just as you pass the airside security checkpoint. I say fuck the uniform, I want the entire package! I wonder if a 50 year old non-Indonesian approaching one of the young 20's employees would get into any issues asking them out. And how would it be appropriate to even suggest that some life assistance is available for the meet up?

Hello, What's the fare on Bluebird from CGK to Jakarta south these days? Arriving at night. I've read anything from 100 k to 350 k. + 16 k in taxes / toll.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2764915]I'm way too lazy to shave the girls. But I wouldn't mind them dressing in a Lion Air Hostess outfit. I wonder where I can get one of those outfits.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.carousell.sg/p/lion-air-stewardess-uniform-1056431714/[/URL]

Old habits never change, do they?

[QUOTE=Menteng;2765260][URL]https://www.carousell.sg/p/lion-air-stewardess-uniform-1056431714/[/URL]

Old habits never change, do they?[/QUOTE]Including sticking to the $20 generic cosplay outfits on Aliexpress, rather than the real thing! [URL]https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32798583306.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2765158]At CGK in the domestic terminal. I've sported a severe erection many many times checking out the Lion Air Batik AirAsia Citilink girls just as you pass the airside security checkpoint. I say fuck the uniform, I want the entire package! I wonder if a 50 year old non-Indonesian approaching one of the young 20's employees would get into any issues asking them out. And how would it be appropriate to even suggest that some life assistance is available for the meet up?[/QUOTE]You certainly won't be the first time the girls get hit on by a customer. Don't turn it into rocket science, they are just normal girls, not goddesses on a pedestal. Forget about trying to corner them as they are exiting the airport. They wil be marching enmass and want to get off work ASAP. Either find the hotels that their airline uses and swing by for drinks and meals or get their number on the plane. Sitting up front helps.

For a more transactional interaction, the girls do find their way onto the apps. Seeking and IG jump to mind or even OF on occasion.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2765260][URL]https://www.carousell.sg/p/lion-air-stewardess-uniform-1056431714/[/URL]

Old habits never change, do they?[/QUOTE]There is a whole fetish around used uniforms that stewardesses have been catering to for years. Most of the online market places have worn and unwashed clothing available. Expect to pay about $100 a piece for skirts, blouses, shoes etc.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6920669/Cabin-crew-leading-airlines-selling-used-uniforms-fetishists-eBay.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2765065]As I am returning to Jakarta after three years I wonder if there has been any changes in prices for st and LT. For sure it varies a lot, but what are your experiences? I am going to meet a few women I befriended in 2019, regulars you might say. Now, I cannot remember what I gave then back then: I think it was 500 k st and 1 m LT, but my memories are waning. What is generally expected? We are talking about attractive part-timers, in their 20's.[/QUOTE]Realistically speaking you've got to be ready for them asking double that this time around. You might actually be better employed starting afresh with new blood, easily found on Tinder, they'll still be asking those sort of prices but at least you'll be getting fresh girls rather than ladies who have been around the block quite a few times since you last met them and who haven't gotten any younger in the meantime, and with attitudes and expectations to match.

I know this has been asked before. But the news shows that Indonesia is going to vote this week to make it a crime to have sex before marriage. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2767420]I know this has been asked before. But the news shows that Indonesia is going to vote this week to make it a crime to have sex before marriage. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Why? 90% of Johns are having sex after marriage. Just not with their wives.

Does Indonesia have official moral police? Just curious how they are planning to enforce it? If it vote gets approved, I am afraid if they would go further in enforcing restrictions on businesses that facilitate massage / sex.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2767420]I know this has been asked before. But the news shows that Indonesia is going to vote this week to make it a crime to have sex before marriage. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Worked in Indonesia 2014. Visited in 2018 & 2019. Arriving March 13,2023 staying in Jakarta and mongering for a week.

Then taking Indo Girlfriend to Bali for a week.

Best time to travel from Jakarta to Bali?

The day before Ramadan starts? The day of? The day after?

That's my general window to travel.

Thanks for the advice.

Cheers, Bob.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2767420]I know this has been asked before. But the news shows that Indonesia is going to vote this week to make it a crime to have sex before marriage. Thoughts?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/indonesia-to-penalise-sex-outside-marriage-c-9039960[/URL]

This article makes interesting reading. Especially the caveat of "sex outside marriage, which can only be reported by limited parties such as close relatives. ".

So I have now decided to step away from the young athlete that I used to shag for nothing and has just got married. She still wants to catch up for fun. Can just imagine the fun if that law is introduced and her husband and her decide to scam me with threats of going to the police. There's safer fun to be had.

I see your point, this could be used easily to trap tourist and extort money. It seems like they tried to pass similar version in 2019 but due to protest it didn't get passed. Lets hope same thing repeats again. If not, I will have to shelve my plan to visit JAK temporarily and wait / watch fall out from this new law.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2767536][URL]https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/indonesia-to-penalise-sex-outside-marriage-c-9039960[/URL]

This article makes interesting reading. Especially the caveat of "sex outside marriage, which can only be reported by limited parties such as close relatives. ".

So I have now decided to step away from the young athlete that I used to shag for nothing and has just got married. She still wants to catch up for fun. Can just imagine the fun if that law is introduced and her husband and her decide to scam me with threats of going to the police. There's safer fun to be had.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2767437]Worked in Indonesia 2014. Visited in 2018 & 2019. Arriving March 13,2023 staying in Jakarta and mongering for a week.

Then taking Indo Girlfriend to Bali for a week.

Best time to travel from Jakarta to Bali?

The day before Ramadan starts? The day of? The day after?

That's my general window to travel.

Thanks for the advice.

Cheers, Bob.[/QUOTE]The start of Ramadan is just the start of the month of fasting, the big part is Eid holiday at the end of Ramadan when everybody rushes home for an extended holiday. Doubt there would be any trouble traveling anytime around the start.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2767619]Doubt there would be any trouble traveling anytime around the start.[/QUOTE]Flight prices will rise a little and more domestic holiday makers will mean popular destinations like Bali will be busier but it's not a major worry. Just pre-book important flights etc and don't leave things to the last minute.

Mid and late Ramadan the popular holiday / return home places get crazy busy. Don't even think about a side trip to Jogja.

Gents,

I took one for the teams and went to Fortune Spa this weekend. Its a very central location. Its basic across the busy streets from LE Meridian hotel. Close to all corporate buildlings. The outside it looks very run down / sketchy. But when you get inside the place, its quite modern. You are greeted by the front desk and some beautiful thin hostess girls. They have different price ranges. From what I garners, the price range from 850 K for massage (plus you tip girl). And 1. 6 M-2. 5 M for everything included. Because I had short time I went for massage. With assumption I could pay tips later for more actions.

Then you enter a large lobby / karoke room with many different sofas and sitting areas. Here the hostess will take your order for drinks. At this point, I asked hostess to see massage ladies. I think usually they show photos on phone. After about 15 minutes, she arrange for showing. There were about 10 ladies. Ranges between 5-7 out of ten. Nothing specular, slightly bigger womens. I think this many because I only get massage. I did see on other sofas more attractive ladies with their johns.

I select one with a prettyier face that others. Great face, slightly bigger below waist Then the hostess takes upstairs to the room. The lobby looks dark and modern. The room looks like typical asian brothel room. Toilet, shower, mattress on floor for massage. Massue gives me a subpar massage, but with incredibles ball teasting and touching. Was amazing. Then on the flip, she asks - 300 K tip for hand, 600 k for sex in cash. I only wanted hand, so agreed. She took off her top. Let me suck her nice firm, soft skin breast and jerked me for few minutes before climax. After finish, she gave some more massage. And then I left.

On the way out, very easy check out. No mamasan or attendents asking for tip. I pay for my water, and my massage. And left. Felt safe the entire time.

Very good experience. I wish I could take the hostesses, because they are skinny, pretty and in heels. She said that weekends are the quiet, but the weekdays are crowded. Lots of after after work crowd. I didn't get chance to check out relax sauna and cold pool. But next time.

I will be back. I like selecting 850 K massage and then pay girl direct for extras. But I wante someone hotter next time.

Enjoy friends.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesias-parliament-passes-controversial-new-criminal-code-2022-12-06/[/URL]

I thought it was 12/15 was when they were planning to pass the law, but seems like they passed it today. Not only it bans sex outside marriage, but even bans living together without marriage. Upto a year of jail (it does say law has been little watered down, as to who can report the offence such as spouse, parents or child). Since this law is applied for both the Indonesian citizens and tourist, I am curios if they are going to make hotels require proof of marriage certificates? This is absurd in every angle. Forget about sex toursim, normal couple who are just living together cannot visit Indonesia then. I am assuming / hoping this to have backlash from tourist industry.

Majority of Bali's economy depends on tourism, with this stupid ban all the business related to tourism will suffer a lot.

I still don't understand how this will affect and shape places like Classic, Malio, . That are very obvious why they exists. For now, JAK is off of my list of places to visit for sex mongering (rather temporary hold until they figure out).

[QUOTE=Yendappu;2767553]I see your point, this could be used easily to trap tourist and extort money. It seems like they tried to pass similar version in 2019 but due to protest it didn't get passed. Lets hope same thing repeats again. If not, I will have to shelve my plan to visit JAK temporarily and wait / watch fall out from this new law.[/QUOTE]

"However, the code will not come into effect for three years to allow for implementing regulations to be drafted. ".

Stated in the article. My planned trip in January will be the last time I visit, if the law is implemented and enforced.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;2768300][URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesias-parliament-passes-controversial-new-criminal-code-2022-12-06/[/URL]

I thought it was 12/15 was when they were planning to pass the law, but seems like they passed it today. Not only it bans sex outside marriage, but even bans living together without marriage. Upto a year of jail (it does say law has been little watered down, as to who can report the offence such as spouse, parents or child). Since this law is applied for both the Indonesian citizens and tourist, I am curios if they are going to make hotels require proof of marriage certificates? This is absurd in every angle. Forget about sex toursim, normal couple who are just living together cannot visit Indonesia then. I am assuming / hoping this to have backlash from tourist industry.

Majority of Bali's economy depends on tourism, with this stupid ban all the business related to tourism will suffer a lot.

I still don't understand how this will affect and shape places like Classic, Malio, . That are very obvious why they exists. For now, JAK is off of my list of places to visit for sex mongering (rather temporary hold until they figure out).[/QUOTE]

Per BBC:

"Sex outside marriage will carry a jail term of up to a year under the new laws, which take effect in three years."

So we have 3 years to continue the barebacking and fornication.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2768416]Per BBC:

"Sex outside marriage will carry a jail term of up to a year under the new laws, which take effect in three years."

So we have 3 years to continue the barebacking and fornication.[/QUOTE]Nope. In as within. The new code will be applicable within 3 years. Not after 3 years.

The new law could still come under challenge in the courts, it's not set in stone yet.

Also. The offence can only be reported by a parent, spouse or child. The good news about that is that banging someone's wife will finally become an act of bravery. The bad news, it will inflate prices and add another way to the repertoire of scammers, many a tourist may get caught out in the rain.

But seriously, it's a stupid fundamentalist move, it will hurt tourism, people's rights (think about the LGBT community) and the economy.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2768476]Nope. In as within. The new code will be applicable within 3 years. Not after 3 years.

The new law could still come under challenge in the courts, it's not set in stone yet.

[/QUOTE]Tommy,

I agree with you it is a stupid move, just like some other stupid things in the last 10 years.

Please clarify:
Are you saying the new law will be applicable at some point in the next 3 years?
In other words, is there a 3 year time window for the new law to take effect or be applicable?

OR

Is this new law already applicable but only valid for the next 3 years?

Thanks,

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2768504]Tommy,

I agree with you it is a stupid move, just like some other stupid things in the last 10 years.

Please clarify:
Are you saying the new law will be applicable at some point in the next 3 years?
In other words, is there a 3 year time window for the new law to take effect or be applicable?

OR

Is this new law already applicable but only valid for the next 3 years?

Thanks,

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Are mongers seriously worried about this new law?? Prostitution has been illegal in Indonesia forever and that hasn't stopped paid pussy being available on every corner. How is the new law going to change that?

I see your point Goferring, as prostitution was already illegal, what was the need for them to pass this new law? My only concern is with the independent providers as they could scam the tourist, so will need to be careful. Personally, I have put hold on JAK (moved it to bottom of my list of sex mongering destination) and will watch out how it turns out in the next few months.

Folks who are visiting please continue reporting and keep us updated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2768506]Are mongers seriously worried about this new law?? Prostitution has been illegal in Indonesia forever and that hasn't stopped paid pussy being available on every corner. How is the new law going to change that?[/QUOTE]

What people probably have forgotten here is that, Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country in the world. Muslim majority in Indonesia is 87%. While majority are moderate, there are still a sizeable number of religious extremists that would want to see the sharia law to be implemented in Indonesia. There are so many boarding schools those who have been brainwashed since there were in early age to carry their vision. Just see how many suicide bomb cases have happened in Indonesia. It is entirely a different case with other countries in Asia. Some parties, politicians want their votes in the general election.

The problem here these sorts of extremists group will never rest, but they keep Moving forward. Sharia Law has been implemented in Aceh, special province of Indonesia. Do they stop there?

The consequences of this newly passed bonking law will not just effect mongers and prossies, but other parties as well. Think about people in civil partnership, LGBT which are coming from catchment areas of tourism. While in their own countries they are legally protected to live together, to sleep in the same accommodation, it might not be the case when they travel to Indonesia. The Hotels might ask them to produce a marriage certificate fear of helping to commit crime.
Not to mention the possibility of extortion, and settlement pay with police outside the system.
Recently revealed the Indonesian hihg ranking policemen in the police force. They might belong to be one of the most corrupt police force in the world.

https://www.asiasentinel.com/p/high-rank-indonesia-police-turn-on-each-other

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2766069]Realistically speaking you've got to be ready for them asking double that this time around. You might actually be better employed starting afresh with new blood, easily found on Tinder, they'll still be asking those sort of prices but at least you'll be getting fresh girls rather than ladies who have been around the block quite a few times since you last met them and who haven't gotten any younger in the meantime, and with attitudes and expectations to match.[/QUOTE]I found out that you are right, and checking my notes; I paid 1 m and 1. 3 m for st and LT in 2019.

Is Maribaya massage at Hotel Melawai closed? Is there similar places in the Blok-M area?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2768759]
Is Maribaya massage at Hotel Melawai closed? [/QUOTE]You haven't been traveling that much to Jakarta, have you? Maribaya was closed around 2018.

I needed a good full body massage and decided to check this place out. You can find Sugar Spa easily on Google Map.

It was a pretty small spa. Upon entry, you will be issued a locker key with a number. There is a sauna, hot water and cold water pool. It was very basic, but at least they did not charge me any facility fee upon checkout.

After taking a short dip in the hot water pool and taking a shower, I headed up to the second floor. Very small area, and the place was empty when I was there. However, the evening crowds were starting to stream in at that time. Mamasan showed me several girls who mostly looked cute by my standard. The pretty ones were already working with the customers as I went through the list. I settled for a plumpier one since I need ones with strong hands to massage me.

I selected the full package at 600 K which would include a full massage plus one shot. The massage was very good as she had a very strong hand. Before she started the massage, I told her to just strip down which she did.

My objective for that spa trip is to just get a full body massage with the intention of getting a good fuck later elsewhere. However, I can't resist resist a pair of big natural tits, and in this case could provide me with a good tittie fuck. Not too many girls can do that and I was able to unload on her tits after the massage and her boobies rub on my dick.

Total damage: 600 k + 100 k tip.

Off to Kings Cross next

I'm going to be on the ground in half a month and could use some more info for lowest end lokalisasi places.

I have a rough idea of KI, royal gedong and tanahabang station area but lack manggarai, jatinegara and tanjung priuk. If I missed any other low end BBFS places which get pointed out to me that would be great too.

After my Sugar Spa trip, I decided to check out Kings Cross. Looked at my Grab app to see how long it will take and how much, approx 35 minutes at 66 K rupiah. Not too bad and decided to head out there. Getting around Jakarta with Grab is very simple and cheap. Before that, my local buddy texted me and asked me what I would like to do, and I told him that I am heading to Kings Cross to check out the girls. One of the girl that I knew who used to work at Malio is now working there but told me that she will return to KC next week. My buddy decided to join me there as it has been a while for him. For me, it's my first trip to KC.

It is interesting to see Kings Cross to be located near the residential suburb of a commercial complex area. It's a five storey building with the sign "Kings Cross Hotel". Who are they kidding? It's not a hotel but clearly a bordello. On entry, the security will pad you down and place a small sticker to cover up your cell phone. They don't want anyone to record anything in there. On the front desk, you are issued a card with a number. They use this card to as a way to keep your tab. The lounge is on the fifth floor and is a big open space with a center stage where a band is playing music. The place wasn't crowded but still a sufficient number of people. One thing I hated about that area was the smoke. I can't stop coughing whenever I was in there as the smoke filled area irritated my throat big time.

As we settled down on one of the able and ordered our drinks, the mamasan cam over to us. The mamasan knew my buddy well and she looked very familiar to me. It turned out that she used to work at Malio and coincidentally I happened to write about her in this forum three years ago. Hilarious. Here is the link.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2394839#post2394839[/URL]

Three years on, that Batak mamasan still looked very desirable even though her hips might have grown, but I am still open to banging her even three years later. I asked her how she ended up here at KC and she mentioned that KC happened to open up first before Malio, and she find the working hours here better. By the way, Malio and KC are under the same ownership. The mamasan told me the difference between the lineup of the girls between these two places are at least the 300 K price gap. So a girl that would cost 600 K at KC would easily be priced at 900 K at Malio.

The mamasan showed me the first lineup of girls at 350 K. Slim pickings and none to my liking. Pass. Next came the line up og 600 K girls. There were more selection this time, and I decided to pick one. Originally, I did not have the intention of having any session with the girls there that night after releasing my load previously at the Sugar Spa. But for 600 K, it is still cheap enough for me to experience what KC's service feels like, knowing that I cannot possible unload anything that night.

The girl and I went down to the fourth floor where the rooms are located. The room was clean but not luxurious. There was a king size bed and a shower area by the door. Before we started, the girl would ask me to get into a shower where she will clean you nicely before she cleans herself before the deed. At least the hygiene is there.

Too bad the service was just not what I expected. If anyone expects bb service there, you can forget about it. Not that I am expecting any since I don't tend to do BB with any girls with such high turnover. Before going into the room, the girl was handed a condom in which you will be charged 10 K for it.

No GFE from the girl as she refused any kisses. At least she gave me a somewhat decent BBJ. But it was still nothing to get excited about. Anyway, I was just too tired to do anything and told her that she would have to do all the heavy lifting. LOL. After the BBJ, she asked me if I would like to put the condom on. I teased her and asked here what if I do not want it on, in which she replied she needed that on. I told her that she will be in for a long night since it would take me a long time for me to come and she said she was ok with that.

Anyway, for 15 minutes she would ride me and I would still not come. She was so relieved when I told her to just take a rest. At least she tried her best but in this case, since we did not have the chemistry, I did not cajole her into seeing if she was willing to make come without condom. Usually, when I was able to establish rapport with the girls, BB is not really an issue with them if I want it towards the end. Plus, I was still exhausted from the jet lag and actually dozed off for a few minutes. Tipped her 150 K after the session for her effort. Not really a great experience at KC.

Actually, you want to hop on a plane now. The law does not go into effect until late 2025.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;2767553]I see your point, this could be used easily to trap tourist and extort money. It seems like they tried to pass similar version in 2019 but due to protest it didn't get passed. Lets hope same thing repeats again. If not, I will have to shelve my plan to visit JAK temporarily and wait / watch fall out from this new law.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification, Reuters news that I referred didn't have mention of the going into effect until 2025, but I was able to confirm on other news outlet that it will indeed go into effect in 2025.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2769097]Actually, you want to hop on a plane now. The law does not go into effect until late 2025.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2768504]Tommy,

I agree with you it is a stupid move, just like some other stupid things in the last 10 years.

Please clarify:
Are you saying the new law will be applicable at some point in the next 3 years?
In other words, is there a 3 year time window for the new law to take effect or be applicable?

OR

Is this new law already applicable but only valid for the next 3 years?

Thanks,

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]I've been following the news on this, and the sources aren't consistent. I've read everything from the law will come into effect 30 days after Jokowi signs it, to only after three years. Bloomberg has done some good reporting on this, and I think their answer may be the best (see below). I'll show a couple of links below, but they may be behind a paywall. Some highlights -

Anyone engaged in sex outside of marriage may face up to one year in prison or fines.

[B]Police can only prosecute people based on official complaints made by their parent, child or spouse.[/B] Presumably this would prevent couples who are tourists from being prosecuted. An Indonesian Minister said "If people from Australia want to go on a holiday in Bali, and they want to stay in the same room whatsoever, that is their personal matter. Unless there's a complaint by their parents in Australia, which is not their culture."

The new law doesn't address prostitution, but banning extramarital sex effectively makes prostitution illegal.

There will be a three-year transition period until the law is [b]fully[/b] in place, as the government must draft implementing regulation.

Each province in Indonesia can enforce their own laws based on the code. So you might have differences between, say, more liberal Bali, and someplace like Aceh which has Shariah law.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-07/new-sex-laws-explained-what-bali-indonesia-tourists-expats-need-to-know?[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-08/indonesia-seeks-to-allay-foreigners-concern-over-adultery-laws?[/URL]

This piece of legislation had overwhelming support from the politicians who voted on it. I think I read it was approved unanimously.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2768759]I found out that you are right, and checking my notes; I paid 1 m and 1.3 m for st and LT in 2019.
Is Maribaya massage at Hotel Melawai closed? Is there similar places in the Blok-M area?[/QUOTE]

I arrived at Aquarius Massage at Melawai 9 (where it meets Melawai 7) at 4 pm. 615 k for 90 minutes. There were 14 girls available, the mamasan showed me the pictures and claimed that they were accurate. She said they have a show at 7 pm when you may see them all in person at once. Anyway, at the Mama's recommodation I chose Kikan (23). I was a good choice, she has a nice face and body. Good service: BBBJ CFS. But first it was the regular massage, which I don't care that much. The only issue was the lights in the room which hit me in eyes, somewhat annoying. Also note that Kikan has a peculiar way of acting and speaking, still good service, and a funny girl!

Jakarta Dec. 2022.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2768476]Nope. In as within. The new code will be applicable within 3 years. Not after 3 years.

The new law could still come under challenge in the courts, it's not set in stone yet.

Also. The offence can only be reported by a parent, spouse or child. The good news about that is that banging someone's wife will finally become an act of bravery. The bad news, it will inflate prices and add another way to the repertoire of scammers, many a tourist may get caught out in the rain.

But seriously, it's a stupid fundamentalist move, it will hurt tourism, people's rights (think about the LGBT community) and the economy.[/QUOTE]From what I'm reading you're spot on, which is exactly what we'd expect from Tommy Suharto. Nobody knows the practicalities of the Indonesian legal system better.

[QUOTE=Bienenstich;2768917]I'm going to be on the ground in half a month and could use some more info for lowest end lokalisasi places.

I have a rough idea of KI, royal gedong and tanahabang station area but lack manggarai, jatinegara and tanjung priuk. If I missed any other low end BBFS places which get pointed out to me that would be great too.[/QUOTE]Your best bet is to take a train or taxi to the general area the get yourself a motorcycle taxi. " Tolong antar saya ke tempat cewek yang murah".

IE get the train to Tanjung Priok station, jump off. Find a motorcycle ojek and ask to go to PLTU or to Batang Bulan or to the bars in Koja.

If you see a duck you're in the right spot.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2769160]From what I'm reading you're spot on, which is exactly what we'd expect from Tommy Suharto. Nobody knows the practicalities of the Indonesian legal system better.[/QUOTE]
The real Tommy Suharto (now 62yo ?), not in this ISG username, is a great fucker. who have tried many Indonesian good-looking young artists, movie stars. He was also named as the first person who asked Pfiser Indonesian to get the magic blue pill when Pfizer launched its blue pills a few years ago.
In the past it is suspected he is using his father protection, to protect his hobby. Now he is using his money allegedly stolen from the people to protect his habits. So when the new law is enforced he might be able to escape the full force of law??

[QUOTE=Adindas;2769318]The real Tommy Suharto (now 62yo ?), not in this ISG username, is a great fucker. who have tried many Indonesian good-looking young artists, movie stars. He was also named as the first person who asked Pfiser Indonesian to get the magic blue pill when Pfizer launched its blue pills a few years ago.
In the past it is suspected he is using his father protection, to protect his hobby. Now he is using his money allegedly stolen from the people to protect his habits. So when the new law is enforced he might be able to escape the full force of law??[/QUOTE]Tommy was convicted of arranging the assassination of a supreme court judge. He only spent four years in detainment, in a luxury jail cell, with trips to Malioboro and golf courses. So there's about zero chance he's going to spend a year in jail for fornicating.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Suharto[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2769381]Tommy was convicted of arranging the assassination of a supreme court judge. He only spent four years in detainment, in a luxury jail cell, with trips to Malioboro and golf courses. So there's about zero chance he's going to spend a year in jail for fornicating.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Suharto[/URL][/QUOTE]The story was that when he arrived at the prison he was warned by the warden that he would be treated exactly the same as all the other prisoners. He said he had no problem with that, and proceeded to take out his check book and paid for soft beds, curtains, TVs, DVD players, air conditioning and proper toilets, as well as take way food for every prisoner and cell in the prison. He's a see you ent tee but you have to admire his chutzpah.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2769147]I've been following the news on this, and the sources aren't consistent. I've read everything from the law will come into effect 30 days after Jokowi signs it, to only after three years. Bloomberg has done some good reporting on this, and I think their answer may be the best (see below). I'll show a couple of links below, but they may be behind a paywall. Some highlights -

Anyone engaged in sex outside of marriage may face up to one year in prison or fines.

[B]Police can only prosecute people based on official complaints made by their parent, child or spouse.[/B] Presumably this would prevent couples who are tourists from being prosecuted. An Indonesian Minister said "If people from Australia want to go on a holiday in Bali, and they want to stay in the same room whatsoever, that is their personal matter. Unless there's a complaint by their parents in Australia, which is not their culture."

The new law doesn't address prostitution, but banning extramarital sex effectively makes prostitution illegal.

There will be a three-year transition period until the law is [b]fully[/b] in place, as the government must draft implementing regulation..[/QUOTE]The first Bali cop who arrests an Aussie tourist for sex outside marriage will find himself unemployed by the end of his shift, we all know that, the cops know that and everyone in Bali knows that but the less well-informed tourists won't know that.

This will lead to countless opportunities to scam the unwary, any girl with a bit of nous and a boyfriend with a satpam uniform can set up the unwary. She goes back to his room, next thing there is a knock on the door. A "policeman" has got a complaint from the girl's husband and would the gentleman like to accompany me down to the station. No? Well maybe a couple of million cash could settle all this unpleasantness, I can give you a ride to the nearest ATM if you like.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2769482]He's a see you ent tee but you have to admire his chutzpah.[/QUOTE]Haha! It took me a couple of minutes to figure that out. Speaking of which, maybe I'm not the brightest bulb on the planet, because I didn't think of the following until you and our Tommy Suharto brought it up:

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2769509]This will lead to countless opportunities to scam the unwary, any girl with a bit of nous and a boyfriend with a satpam uniform can set up the unwary. She goes back to his room, next thing there is a knock on the door. A "policeman" has got a complaint from the girl's husband and would the gentleman like to accompany me down to the station. No? Well maybe a couple of million cash could settle all this unpleasantness, I can give you a ride to the nearest ATM if you like.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. In the past I've stayed at the Shangrila and Mulia, and mostly pulled freelancers from the bars in the hotels as well as from bars on Jalan Pelatehan in Blok M. Given the level of my paranoia, I may stick to places like Malio going forward, where the probability of a con would be minimal.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2769160]From what I'm reading you're spot on, which is exactly what we'd expect from Tommy Suharto. Nobody knows the practicalities of the Indonesian legal system better.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the praise. But they may as well bring back the real "see you ent tee". And place this hedonist at the helm. What will be the difference? The new proposed law does not hold up on moral grounds anyway.

It's disappointing to see that Jokowi does not follow through on his political promise to reduce the amount of suffocating red tape in Indonesia.

Looks like the Bali Governor has given the middle finger to the new criminal code.

[URL]https://www.afr.com/world/asia/bali-governor-promises-tourists-no-marriage-checks-20221212-p5c5mp[/URL]

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2769733]Thank you for the praise. But they may as well bring back the real "see you ent tee". And place this hedonist at the helm. What will be the difference? The new proposed law does not hold up on moral grounds anyway.

It's disappointing to see that Jokowi does not follow through on his political promise to reduce the amount of suffocating red tape in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]Hell yeah! If they put the real Tommy in charge of Indonesia it'll be a wh*remonger's paradise!

Jokowi has been disappointing, but when it's one man against the system, the system's going to win.

Your post caused me to look up whatever happened to Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, also known as Ahok, a Jokowi acolyte. A Chinese Christian, he was an efficient governor and deputy governor of Jakarta. He was convicted of blasphemy based on a doctored video tape, and Jokowi wasn't able to do anything to help him avoid prison. He did however appoint Ahok as President Commissioner of Pertamina, the national oil company, upon his release. If Jokowi can't even keep Ahok out of jail on a trumped up charge, doing something substantial about the red tape must be next to impossible.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2769802]Looks like the Bali Governor has given the middle finger to the new criminal code.

[URL]https://www.afr.com/world/asia/bali-governor-promises-tourists-no-marriage-checks-20221212-p5c5mp[/URL][/QUOTE]Hopefully the same will happen in Jakarta! I don't want to get married to have sex.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2769973]Hopefully the same will happen in Jakarta! I don't want to get married to have sex.[/QUOTE]Some countries (like Iran) have corrupt officials where you can purchase a marriage for some short (very short) specified period of time LOL! Could blossom into a cottage industry in Indonesia hahaha!

I think this is one of the hidden gem. My local buddy brought me there last night as he mentioned it was popular with his circle of friends. It's located on the third floor of the building and the lift is actually tucked away behind the restaurant. When entering the lobby, walk to the right through the restaurant. You can only get to the third floor where the spa is located by using the right side of the left. We made the mistake of taking a different lift and since it did not stop on the 3rd floor, we have to get off the ground floor again to take the next one.

I was issued an elastic band with a number upon entering the spa. There were dipping pools and saunas, but we did not use the facility that night and instead went to the lounge. The lounge was pretty quiet since there is not much reason for anyone to hang around there. No band playing live music, no girls dancing on stage etc. It is just a waiting area for the mamasan to showcase their girls from their phones. At least when the mamasan showed me her girls, most of them were in the form of tiktok videos. I always hated photos that clearly showed heavy altering. Never know what the girls would look like, but in most cases probably ugly. However, with videos, even if they are filtered, I can formulate a better impression of how she would look like in person.

I got the mamasan to send me all her girls videos to my WhatsApp. One of the girl caught my attention and I ended up booking her. There are three different tiers to the girls. The Gold, The Pink and The Model priced at 450 K, 650 K and 1 Million respectively. The girl that I selected was in the Pink group.

I was shown to the room by the mamasan and waited for my selected girl to show. By the way, the setup of the room was actually unique. The bed was located in the middle of the room and has two metal railing at the head and the foot of the bed. I have no idea what they are intended. Is it for BDSM? Anyway, what I really liked about the room was all the mirrors. There were mirrors on the ceiling and the side wall. It reminded on the rooms in FKK Living Room in Germany. I get to see to my actions from different point of views and I have always like this kind of setup.

My selected girl turned out to be just like her video and she was friendly. She stripped naked before giving me the massage. Her boobs, oh how I like her boobs. They are natural and dense and felt so nice when they are fondled and squeezed on. After the massage, she asked if I would like to ML, short for Making Love. I said yes, and she asked me to get into the shower so she can wash me.

She was almost GFE with no problem kissing me. Gave me a decent BBJ and I asked her if she is willing to let me CIM. She said she ran out of Listerine. Maybe it was an excuse. I will see if I can cajole her to do so the next time I visit her again. She had a condom with her and I was able to come quickly as she was riding me. I think it was the combination of the massage, her service and the room setup with the mirror on the ceiling that made me come easily that night.

I will visit this spa again and may try out other girls to see if they are just as good.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2769977]Some countries (like Iran) have corrupt officials where you can purchase a marriage for some short (very short) specified period of time LOL! Could blossom into a cottage industry in Indonesia hahaha![/QUOTE]All these people from the Middle East do that all the time with the village girls in Indonesia. They would get into a marriage contract with the girls via their families for a certain period of time and then officially divorce them towards the end. That way, they can get around whatever sick religious bullshit morality law. It's still prostitution is another form, but these Arabs have money to burn and the head of the girls families are in desperate need of money to help with their debts.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2769977]Some countries (like Iran) have corrupt officials where you can purchase a marriage for some short (very short) specified period of time LOL! Could blossom into a cottage industry in Indonesia hahaha![/QUOTE]Well, there was a time (maybe it still happens?) when Arabs a. O. Married a girl, fuk their brains out and divorce them after a couple of days. The Islamic law that requires a marriage before having sex also makes a divorce very easy.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2770003]All these people from the Middle East do that all the time with the village girls in Indonesia. They would get into a marriage contract with the girls via their families for a certain period of time and then officially divorce them towards the end. That way, they can get around whatever sick religious bullshit morality law. It's still prostitution is another form, but these Arabs have money to burn and the head of the girls families are in desperate need of money to help with their debts.[/QUOTE]For that reason "puncak" the area in west Java are very popular among Arabs. This new law will not effect them. They could arrange marriage and then divrce them after a week. Imam also happy getting money from marriage arrangement. It is a really sick law.

Other country is moving forward this country is held back by the religious extremists.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2770335]For that reason "puncak" the area in west Java are very popular among Arabs. This new law will not effect them. They could arrange marriage and then divrce them after a week. Imam also happy getting money from marriage arrangement. It is a really sick law.

Other country is moving forward this country is held back by the religious extremists.[/QUOTE]Love the irony.

Love our moral outrage here.

OS is more interested in what happens when the famous Australian rectal surgeon Docter Papafaggis secretly takes his pretty receptionist with him to the enema practitioner's conference in Jogjakarta.

Meanwhile Mrs Papafaggis back in Melbourne gets wind of this and it's her final straw with that philandering old sleazepot. A quick email to the Jogja police and Docter Papafaggis is all banged up and all those meat eaters in Melbourne get their bowel cancer surgery cancelled. Now that's a perverse consequence.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2770003]All these people from the Middle East do that all the time....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Menteng;2770151]Well, there was a time (maybe it still happens?) when Arabs a. O. Married a girl, fuk their brains out and divorce them after a couple of days...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adindas;2770335]For that reason "puncak" the area in west Java are very popular among Arabs..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2770353]Love the irony.

Love our moral outrage here...[/QUOTE]I'm with OS and just laughing at the virtue signalling about the dirty Ababs and "others". News flash guys: Way back when, white expats signed heaps of contract weddings. Not for religious reasons but so that separation payments were known upfront and didn't degenerate into a major shit fight.

Contract weddings, prenups etc are still readily available and enforceable in Indonesia.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2770353]OS is more interested in what happens when the famous Australian rectal surgeon Docter Papafaggis secretly takes his pretty receptionist with him to the enema practitioner's conference in Jogjakarta.

Meanwhile, Mrs. Papafaggis back in Melbourne gets wind of this and it's her final straw with that philandering old sleazepot. A quick email to the Jogja police and Docter Papafaggis is all banged up and all those meat eaters in Melbourne get their bowel cancer surgery canceled. Now that's a perverse consequence.[/QUOTE]Too bad, I was hoping that Dr. P could perform my next once-a-decade colonoscopy, time to look for someone else lol

1) Indonesia police always have the right to check hotel room.

[URL]https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3050746/indonesian-police-raid-hotels-unmarried-lovers-valentines[/URL]

[URL]https://www.hukumonline.com/klinik/a/apakah-tindakan-polisi-merazia-hotel-tidak-melanggar-hak-privasi--lt5041cd6b65816[/URL]

[URL]https://blog.justika.com/pidana-dan-laporan-polisi/siapa-yang-berhak-melakukan-penggerebekan-di-hotel/[/URL]

2) Last time, as mentioned in the news above, the unlucky couples in Makassar city, on Sulawesi island, were let go after being given a lecture about the evils of premarital sex.

3) With the implementation of new law, the police could raid the hotel room, and check the identity of the hotel occupants.

4) When the police see the KTP of the Indonesian, they could search the family name, contact, etc through kartu keluarga (family registration card) and inform them whether they want to make a case.

5) If the Indonesian family members want to make a case, both of them get into trouble.

6) If not, this becomes another joke within the family, possibly the entire kampung (village).

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2769999]I think this is one of the hidden gem. My local buddy brought me there last night as he mentioned it was popular with his circle of friends. It's located on the third floor of the building and the lift is actually tucked away behind the restaurant. When entering the lobby, walk to the right through the restaurant. You can only get to the third floor where the spa is located by using the right side of the left. We made the mistake of taking a different lift and since it did not stop on the 3rd floor, we have to get off the ground floor again to take the next one.
.[/QUOTE]Nice review. I stayed at the Orchardz near the airport on a quick overnight on my way to a Komodo Island dive trip. Similar deal but no phone pics or vids. Girls come in one by one. You can accept or reject and the next one comes in. Had a decent fuck BBBJ and BBFS. It was good for a one night layover (pun intended).

[QUOTE=Goferring;2770372] News flash guys: Way back when, white expats signed heaps of contract weddings. Not for religious reasons but so that separation payments were known upfront and didn't degenerate into a major shit fight.
[/QUOTE]Nevertheless, you must know the not so pleasant endings when expats bought property using their Indonesian wife's documentation.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2769999]I think this is one of the hidden gem. My local buddy brought me there last night as he mentioned it was popular with his circle of friends. It's located on the third floor of the building and the lift is actually tucked away behind the restaurant. When entering the lobby, walk to the right through the restaurant. You can only get to the third floor where the spa is located by using the right side of the left. We made the mistake of taking a different lift and since it did not stop on the 3rd floor, we have to get off the ground floor again to take the next one.

I was issued an elastic band with a number upon entering the spa. There were dipping pools and saunas, but we did not use the facility that night and instead went to the lounge. The lounge was pretty quiet since there is not much reason for anyone to hang around there. No band playing live music, no girls dancing on stage etc. It is just a waiting area for the mamasan to showcase their girls from their phones. At least when the mamasan showed me her girls, most of them were in the form of tiktok videos. I always hated photos that clearly showed heavy altering. Never know what the girls would look like, but in most cases probably ugly. However, with videos, even if they are filtered, I can formulate a better impression of how she would look like in person.[/QUOTE]There are multiple Orchardz hotels across Jakarta, each with spa, which one are you referring to? Airport? Industrial?

[QUOTE=Mackay33;2770782]There are multiple Orchardz hotels across Jakarta, each with spa, which one are you referring to? Airport? Industrial?[/QUOTE]Orchardz Hotel Industri.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2770372]I'm with OS and just laughing at the virtue signalling about the dirty Ababs and "others". News flash guys: Way back when, white expats signed heaps of contract weddings. Not for religious reasons but so that separation payments were known upfront and didn't degenerate into a major shit fight.

Contract weddings, prenups etc are still readily available and enforceable in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]I didn't see anyone referencing "dirty Arabs".

I am sure most of us couldn't care where each of us, in our own ways, gets our jollies from, much less virtue signal on a mongering site. But this law banning extra-marital sex is being brought in on behalf of religious conservatives, it therefore is a bit aggravating, to say the least, to see clerics from that self-same religion facilitating prostitution and dressing it up in a religious garb.

That's the hypocrisy and it's perfectly reasonable for anyone of any race to call that out.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2771185] But this law banning extra-marital sex is being brought in on behalf of religious conservatives, it therefore is a bit aggravating, to say the least, to see clerics from that self-same religion facilitating prostitution and dressing it up in a religious garb.

That's the hypocrisy and it's perfectly reasonable for anyone of any race to call that out.[/QUOTE]Remember the cleric that put Ahok in jail for a supposed blasphemy? He had to flee the country shortly afterwards for having extra marital activities!!

[QUOTE=Menteng;2771475]Remember the cleric that put Ahok in jail for a supposed blasphemy? He had to flee the country shortly afterwards for having extra marital activities!![/QUOTE]Now languishing in a prison somewhere in Java with no plans to let him out any time soon if OS is correct. His was a classic Icarus kind of story where he got a bit carried away with his own hubris. The police brought him back to earth by blowing away some of his supporters on the side of the motorway and then chucked him in the clink. Am sure Ahok had a chuckle.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2715346]Can anyone tell if BATs is a good joint these days (post covid).

Also how is Basque bar de tapas for pick up?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2769999]I think this is one of the hidden gem. My local buddy brought me there last night as he mentioned it was popular with his circle of friends. It's located on the third floor of the building and the lift is actually tucked away behind the restaurant. When entering the lobby, walk to the right through the restaurant. You can only get to the third floor where the spa is located by using the right side of the left. We made the mistake of taking a different lift and since it did not stop on the 3rd floor, we have to get off the ground floor again to take the next one.

I was issued an elastic band with a number upon entering the spa. There were dipping pools and saunas, but we did not use the facility that night and instead went to the lounge. The lounge was pretty quiet since there is not much reason for anyone to hang around there. No band playing live music, no girls dancing on stage etc. It is just a waiting area for the mamasan to showcase their girls from their phones. At least when the mamasan showed me her girls, most of them were in the form of tiktok videos. I always hated photos that clearly showed heavy altering. Never know what the girls would look like, but in most cases probably ugly. However, with videos, even if they are filtered, I can formulate a better impression of how she would look like in person.

I got the mamasan to send me all her girls videos to my WhatsApp. One of the girl caught my attention and I ended up booking her. There are three different tiers to the girls. The Gold, The Pink and The Model priced at 450 K, 650 K and 1 Million respectively. The girl that I selected was in the Pink group.

I was shown to the room by the mamasan and waited for my selected girl to show. By the way, the setup of the room was actually unique. The bed was located in the middle of the room and has two metal railing at the head and the foot of the bed. I have no idea what they are intended. Is it for BDSM? Anyway, what I really liked about the room was all the mirrors. There were mirrors on the ceiling and the side wall. It reminded on the rooms in FKK Living Room in Germany. I get to see to my actions from different point of views and I have always like this kind of setup.

My selected girl turned out to be just like her video and she was friendly. She stripped naked before giving me the massage. Her boobs, oh how I like her boobs. They are natural and dense and felt so nice when they are fondled and squeezed on. After the massage, she asked if I would like to ML, short for Making Love. I said yes, and she asked me to get into the shower so she can wash me.

She was almost GFE with no problem kissing me. Gave me a decent BBJ and I asked her if she is willing to let me CIM. She said she ran out of Listerine. Maybe it was an excuse. I will see if I can cajole her to do so the next time I visit her again. She had a condom with her and I was able to come quickly as she was riding me. I think it was the combination of the massage, her service and the room setup with the mirror on the ceiling that made me come easily that night.

I will visit this spa again and may try out other girls to see if they are just as good.[/QUOTE]I second that bro, very amazing experience at this place.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2763326]Anyone tried seeking at Jakarta? What is the typical price range?[/QUOTE]I've paid 2 M for an early 20's local to my hotel. Usually happy to stay from 2 h to overnight as I am usually at a fairly nice hotel. Overall seeking gives a more "amateur" feeling vs Tinder which is almost always an agent with high probability of bait and switch, though can be from 0. 8 to 1 m only.

Found a girl through Twitter (pretty common to find girls through twitter around here). So it's a pretty common thing here to make a downpayment before they send a picture. Made my DP and waited about 2 weeks before she came to town.

Overall: 10/10.

Face: 9/10.

Body: 10/10.

BBBJ: 9/10.

CFS: 9/10 (no BBFS allowed).

Damage: $150 for 2 shots.

[QUOTE=AguaTheCat;2773491]Made my DP and waited about 2 weeks before she came to town.

Overall: 10/10..[/QUOTE]Huuh? Glad to read you enjoyed but she was taking deposits for 2 weeks in the future?

Many girls are advertising "slots" when they are available now or tomorrow. Was it her or you that was busy for 2 weeks?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2770468]Nevertheless, you must know the not so pleasant endings when expats bought property using their Indonesian wife's documentation.[/QUOTE]Very true. For those foreigners staying for a long time / forever it's best to have a continuous stream of income coming in from home than to arrive a buy a heap of illiquid assets locally in someone else's name. That's a recipe for disaster.

You definitely want to be more value to people happy and healthy in country than conveniently out of the way.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2773714]Huuh? Glad to read you enjoyed but she was taking deposits for 2 weeks in the future?

Many girls are advertising "slots" when they are available now or tomorrow. Was it her or you that was busy for 2 weeks?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]OS always politely declines the DP pathway, it's interesting the reaction. One time in Bandung OS declined a twitter DP girl to have her / him instantly turn into some raging psycho. Claiming to be military and prostitution being illegal. Demanded OS settle the offence monetarily.

OS could only invite them to play "OK then. Which one of us has the better contacts " and like a barking dog, my new friend slowly retreated.

Value is an elusive thing, although the pleasure of stumping up money two weeks in advance for some unknown pussy would get some points. A bit like buying futures on the Jakarta cucumber exchange. Maybe somebody can start a little side market here where we all pre order our ladies and then lay off the risk to each other based on whether we think she will turn up.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2773722]OS always politely declines the DP pathway, it's interesting the reaction. One time in Bandung OS declined a twitter DP girl to have her / him instantly turn into some raging psycho. Claiming to be military and prostitution being illegal. Demanded OS settle the offence monetarily.

OS could only invite them to play "OK then. Which one of us has the better contacts " and like a barking dog, my new friend slowly retreated..[/QUOTE]Para 1. Everyone is welcome to spend or risk their money how they want but I don't know any expats paying DPs. I certainly wouldn't. They are designed to keep broke time wasters away from busy girls and a cashed up, horney foreigner shouldn't fit into either category. Not to mention the gazzilion girls who are ready to go, here and now, with no strings attached.

But as I said, guys can spend their money however they wish.

Para 2. Same thing happened to me but face to face after a dispute over services not going to be delivered. Threats then I just handed her my phone. "Call any General in my Contacts that you want. ". Silence.

Funnily, everything went from arguing over terms for an overnight LT to "How about a fair priced ST and we walk away as friends? A win-win. 😊.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2769977]Some countries (like Iran) have corrupt officials where you can purchase a marriage for some short (very short) specified period of time LOL! Could blossom into a cottage industry in Indonesia hahaha![/QUOTE]
Well this has happened since many years ago in Indonesia. You might get surprised while Indonesia has World Class tourists region such as Bali, Yogyakarta, Bunaken in North Sulawesi Island, Wakatobi in South East Sulawesi, but "Puncak" in west Java, relatively close to Jakarta, is a more popular destination in rich Arabic countries which authorise polygamy. It is also a money making machines for Indonesian Imams as they could get extra incomes by authorising those short term marriages.

Also just be aware of, it is not uncommon that a group of religious extremists (or sort of) led by clerics will go from hotel to hotel to check people who allegedly are unmarried couple. You hardly ever see his practice happen in other countries. So those who said this new law will not effect you be aware.

People might not be too worry if the law was issued in the countries where they have not got a lot of religious extremists which in the past had proven what they were capable of. There are a lot of boarding schools in Indonesia with the students come from the most deprived, poor family. Also these boarding school are mostly for the students who are not smart enough to compete in the most prestigious state funded schools.
These group of people could easily be mobilised by politicians with a very small amount of money. In many occasions providing them with lunches and a small pocket money will be enough to motivate them.

My experience at Orchardz was a bit different. As noted, the entrance is behind the restaurant and you have to use the elevator on the right to go to the third floor. They gave me a wrist band and I went to the lounge. There were at least 10 other guys hanging out. Not sure what they were doing as nobody was drinking. Maybe waiting for a friend to finish?

However, instead of three price ranges, she quoted just one price - 880 k. I said that my friend paid 650 k and she denied it. And she refused to show me any pictures (or TikTok videos) or give me any choice. I asked several times. I assume they do have the tiktok videos, but you have to be Indonesian or something to see them. Or maybe there just weren't many girls available (though the board behind her suggested otherwise). She did ask me if I like young and slim. I nodded my head in the affirmative. I would have just left right there and gone to Classic but for the good reviews on here.

They took me to the room and I waited 5 minutes. As other mentioned, the rooms are very comfortable and the mirrors produce a nice effect. I thought they might give me a choice of girls at that point. Nope. The girl came and she looked OK. Maybe late 20's and pretty enough. Maybe a 7 face. Not a spinner (my preferred type) but slim enough. No English, as expected. But when the dress came off I could see that the boobs were a bit saggy and there was more tummy than I would have liked and it was soft. I'm assuming she is a mommy.

The service at least was good. She started off with a nuru body massage that got exciting pretty quickly. The rest was good too.

Would I repeat here? No. I need to choose the girl. You probably won't get service this good at Classic, but it's cheaper and you get to choose and the girls are probably younger and prettier.

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2774490] She did ask me if I like young and slim. [/QUOTE]The one time I went there, I was asked if I wanted "slim or sexy", well to me "sexy" covers slim with a bit of extra oomph! So I went for "sexy". Big mistake, to an Indonesian mami "sexy" means big knockers and ass, chunky in fact, not my type at all. So be careful when making your selection.

In 2019, I did several reports on my "success" with Tinder and Badoo in Jakarta. See below.

Now for March 2023, I am using "Seeking" (Arrangements). I've had pretty good luck rounding up an adequate number of dates. Even this far in advance for MANILA.

Peso expectations have been pretty realistic at around 5000 php for overnight. Some a little less. Along with the oddball who quoted 30,000!

However, I am having a much more difficult time getting reasonable quotes from ladies in Jakarta. I did read on the forum that those prices will come down once you have boots on the ground.

One not so attractive girl quoted $400 usd. YIKES! Another was spot on suggesting 1. 5 juta. In Jakarta, prices are all over the map!

I tried my due diligence but couldn't seem to find the answers. So for now, what are the typical ST and LT rates at places like BATS & CJ's. Or any info you have to help me.

As always, a report of my findings will be posted here.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2387601]I started using Tinder, then Badoo about 3 weeks ago because the premium memberships are good for 1 month and I arrive next Wednesday.

FOR THOSE WHO LIKE STATS:

Out of about 150 contacts, I narrowed my list down to 40.

= 2 are real girlfriend material with jobs and cars and interested in a LTR and both seem to be really nice people, young and attractive. I like a few of those too. 2 is about right. No talk or mention of sex.

All the rest have agreed to meet me at Shangri-La and go to my room (which apparently is a sign they are ok with sex or a BJ).

= 23 have not mentioned money at all.

= 16 have asked for money in the form of shopping money or a set amount * some are 1. 0, but mostly 1. 5 juta for ST. Like Smoothy, I prefer ST, but I have one coming from Depok for an overnight for 2 juta. I just couldn't resist her GND look.

= 9 of the P4 P girls have agreed to pictures and video (only 1 turned me down so far), which is why I am ok with 1. 5. I was actually surprised by a few who I thought would say no, but happily agreed.

That's all for now. Over and out!

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

[/QUOTE]

Strolling thru my archives, found this Indo honey from Blok M. 80 lbs (36 kg), five-footer. Missing Jakarta a bit.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2774856]

I tried my due diligence but couldn't seem to find the answers. So for now, what are the typical ST and LT rates at places like BATS & CJ's. Or any info you have to help me.

As always, a report of my findings will be posted here.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]I picked up a regular from BATS when I was in there a couple of months ago. Hadn't seen her since see. 2017. Gave here 100 USD for LT, which is basically what I have given her any night we had met up previously. She is probably in her mid to late 30's, some people might go yikes, but she is one of those gems who hasn't aged a bit. Never had any kids and does look after herself.

A girl who approached me before I spotted the regular quoted 10 m juta for the night. Laughed that off very quickly, didn't even bother countering. The place was no where near as busy as it used to be, will be interesting to hear if it has improved.

Just came came back to the hotel. Didn't go crazy since I was tired from dealing with Jakarta's IMEI registration policy that I wasn't aware of. Scored out sariyu, starmoon, and royal. That night royal has the best direction of girls. Choose a waify beauty with nice hips and ass. Even though she looked very young age was in fact a mom. Sigh. After settling 400 k payment when up and ate her ass as long as she could bear it. A little dismayed that it was only CFS. Bright out the. 01 so it helped a little. I'm guessing komplek is basically CFS like classic.

I'm hoping to try to do the train tracks tomorrow early / mid afternoon. Of anyone could help out with a DM with googe map? Or a step by step directions. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2775667] I'm guessing komplek is basically CFS like classic.[/QUOTE]I have never had to use a condom there and my sample rate is in the 100's.

After walking around for a few hours song central Jakarta to kill time, I decided to hunt for the train tracks. While walking towards the train tracks / highway. I noticed a gaggle of young hotties in front of me. While following them and accidentally catching the scent of feminine youth, the started to veer off into a rather unlit narrow walled path. Naturally I followed out of curiosity. A few minutes in, the party opened up to the train tracks. And I saw small shacks on either side. This was very interesting. As I wake along the side of the train tracks, I saw a few of them with disco lights. I peered in and a burly guy next to the door told me the entry way is on the other side around the small alleyway. I thanked him and walked through to reveal a most unexpected sight.

In terms of red light districts in Asia I thought I seen them all but this was truly an underground magical place. A third of the girls were very pretty. Most of them were young. I picked one gorgeous doll after walking back and fourth to decide since they were at least a hundred girls sitting.

This girl would command a premium in Japan but here she's at a bargain price and so so sweet. She has a few weird restrictions but she loved deep kissing which we did for the majority of the time.

Saw a a white dude in his forties with a shlt grin. The only white dude. Also noticed a few taiwanese old chaps as well. Wonder if it's an avid writer here.

I'm the huge guy sticking out like a sore thumb.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2775848]After walking around for a few hours song central Jakarta to kill time, I decided to hunt for the train tracks. While walking towards the train tracks / highway. I noticed a gaggle of young hotties in front of me. While following them and accidentally catching the scent of feminine youth, the started to veer off into a rather unlit narrow walled path. Naturally I followed out of curiosity. A few minutes in, the party opened up to the train tracks. And I saw small shacks on either side. This was very interesting. As I wake along the side of the train tracks, I saw a few of them with disco lights. I peered in and a burly guy next to the door told me the entry way is on the other side around the small alleyway. I thanked him and walked through to reveal a most unexpected sight.

In terms of red light districts in Asia I thought I seen them all but this was truly an underground magical place. A third of the girls were very pretty. Most of them were young. I picked one gorgeous doll after walking back and fourth to decide since they were at least a hundred girls sitting.

This girl would command a premium in Japan but here she's at a bargain price and so so sweet. She has a few weird restrictions but she loved deep kissing which we did for the majority of the time.

Saw a a white dude in his forties with a shlt grin. The only white dude. Also noticed a few taiwanese old chaps as well. Wonder if it's an avid writer here.

I'm the huge guy sticking out like a sore thumb.[/QUOTE]Intrigued. Do say more. How do I get there? Can a newbie go or is it mostly for locals?

Thanks to everyone for their contributions. This is what I compiled from what I have researched. I will be doing all of these over 2 weeks.

I wanted to stay at the Holiday Inn and Suites but it is booked for the period I need, so I decided now to do a few days at Classic (I know its crappy) but who knows, I may like to sleep and bang in the same premises. After that I will be moving to either Hotel Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni or Novotel Gajah Mada.

My list looks something like this:

Classic for sure, all levels.

Travel.

Aquarius Massage.

Orchardz Spa in Orchardz Hotel.

The Heaven Dharmawangsa.

New Kimochi (they screwed me the last time I was there in 2014. My so called masseuse had her period, allegedly. Boy was I pissed, I stormed out and left).

G2 Spa.

New Vins.

Mars spa P.

Royal Bar & Massage.

Club Malio. Not sure if it is still open though.

Maybe CJs and BATS.

Kings Cross.

Fortune SPA Jl K. M MAs Mansyur.

Zaigon Spa.

Sugar Spa.

Mr Braid.

Mars.

Feel free to add and cross out.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2775848]After walking around for a few hours song central Jakarta to kill time, I decided to hunt for the train tracks. While walking towards the train tracks / highway. I noticed a gaggle of young hotties in front of me. While following them and accidentally catching the scent of feminine youth, the started to veer off into a rather unlit narrow walled path. Naturally I followed out of curiosity. A few minutes in, the party opened up to the train tracks. And I saw small shacks on either side. This was very interesting. As I wake along the side of the train tracks, I saw a few of them with disco lights. I peered in and a burly guy next to the door told me the entry way is on the other side around the small alleyway. I thanked him and walked through to reveal a most unexpected sight.

In terms of red light districts in Asia I thought I seen them all but this was truly an underground magical place. A third of the girls were very pretty. Most of them were young. I picked one gorgeous doll after walking back and fourth to decide since they were at least a hundred girls sitting.

This girl would command a premium in Japan but here she's at a bargain price and so so sweet. She has a few weird restrictions but she loved deep kissing which we did for the majority of the time.

Saw a a white dude in his forties with a shlt grin. The only white dude. Also noticed a few taiwanese old chaps as well. Wonder if it's an avid writer here.

I'm the huge guy sticking out like a sore thumb.[/QUOTE]Where is this location?

Thank you StinkyFeet.

Magical Purple Indo place with hundreds of ladies sounds great.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2775748]I have never had to use a condom there and my sample rate is in the 100's.[/QUOTE]I should've seen that. What's the tip minimum?

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2776040]I should've seen that. What's the tip minimum?[/QUOTE]100-150 k is reasonable, as the house gives them 150 from the 400 k.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2775848]While walking towards the train tracks / highway. I noticed a gaggle of young hotties in front of me. While following them and accidentally catching the scent of feminine youth, the started to veer off into a rather unlit narrow walled path. Naturally I followed out of curiosity. A few minutes in, the party opened up to the train tracks. And I saw small shacks on either side. This was very interesting. As I wake along the side of the train tracks, I saw a few of them with disco lights. I peered in and a burly guy next to the door told me the entry way is on the other side around the small alleyway. I thanked him and walked through to reveal a most unexpected sight.

In terms of red light districts in Asia I thought I seen them all but this was truly an underground magical place. A third of the girls were very pretty. Most of them were young. I picked one gorgeous doll after walking back and fourth to decide since they were at least a hundred girls sitting.

[/QUOTE]Very valuable information on the train track hunting area. Do it means such places can be seen near all the train stations in Jakarta or only near main station. Very interesting report.

This place has very decent facilities. Much better than royal imo. Girls are average with a few gems. 400 k all in. Maybe I'm no longer a looker or I'm getting to be too old for these young girls but once again got CFS and the girl shorted me on time by 10-15 minutes. Just read on the tip advice and will inquire to the girl.

Its a decent list of begin with, most of the places you have listed are in my list. There are few more 18 Eighteen (KTV and SPA), Blitz Massage. Also, you could find some freelancers in Twitter in multiple handles, #JAKARATABO. Disclaimer: I myself haven't been to JAK yet, but have collected lot of information through this and other forums.

Good luck with your trip, please report back your experience.

[QUOTE=NothingElse1;2775958]Thanks to everyone for their contributions. This is what I compiled from what I have researched. I will be doing all of these over 2 weeks.

I wanted to stay at the Holiday Inn and Suites but it is booked for the period I need, so I decided now to do a few days at Classic (I know its crappy) but who knows, I may like to sleep and bang in the same premises. After that I will be moving to either Hotel Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni or Novotel Gajah Mada.

My list looks something like this:

Classic for sure, all levels.

Travel.

Aquarius Massage.

Orchardz Spa in Orchardz Hotel.

The Heaven Dharmawangsa.

New Kimochi (they screwed me the last time I was there in 2014. My so called masseuse had her period, allegedly. Boy was I pissed, I stormed out and left).

G2 Spa.

New Vins.

Mars spa P.

Royal Bar & Massage.

Club Malio. Not sure if it is still open though.

Maybe CJs and BATS.

Kings Cross.

Fortune SPA Jl K. M MAs Mansyur.

Zaigon Spa.

Sugar Spa.

Mr Braid.

Mars.

Feel free to add and cross out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2775848]After walking around for a few hours song central Jakarta to kill time, I decided to hunt for the train tracks. While walking towards the train tracks / highway. I noticed a gaggle of young hotties in front of me. While following them and accidentally catching the scent of feminine youth, the started to veer off into a rather unlit narrow walled path. Naturally I followed out of curiosity. A few minutes in, the party opened up to the train tracks. And I saw small shacks on either side. This was very interesting. As I wake along the side of the train tracks, I saw a few of them with disco lights. I peered in and a burly guy next to the door told me the entry way is on the other side around the small alleyway. I thanked him and walked through to reveal a most unexpected sight.

In terms of red light districts in Asia I thought I seen them all but this was truly an underground magical place. A third of the girls were very pretty. Most of them were young. I picked one gorgeous doll after walking back and fourth to decide since they were at least a hundred girls sitting.

This girl would command a premium in Japan but here she's at a bargain price and so so sweet. She has a few weird restrictions but she loved deep kissing which we did for the majority of the time.

Saw a a white dude in his forties with a shlt grin. The only white dude. Also noticed a few taiwanese old chaps as well. Wonder if it's an avid writer here.

I'm the huge guy sticking out like a sore thumb.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know this place, I think. Same as my photos below from 2019? I never found any action there. I was probably too early. Perhaps I'll have to venture back that way again.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;2776164]Its a decent list of begin with, most of the places you have listed are in my list. There are few more 18 Eighteen (KTV and SPA), Blitz Massage. Also, you could find some freelancers in Twitter in multiple handles, #JAKARATABO. Disclaimer: I myself haven't been to JAK yet, but have collected lot of information through this and other forums.

Good luck with your trip, please report back your experience.[/QUOTE]Twitter Jakarta girls are so over priced and photos are filtered. Why go through that BS when their are hundreds of hotels that go for far less.

Here's one example.

➡READY, include / exclude🏢.

🔻INCLUDE.

💰Shortime •1,5 Jt 1 x crot💦.

☑Full service, No anal, Wajib kondom❕.

💰Longtime •4. 5 JT 3 JAM bebas croot💦.

☑Full service, No anal, Wajib kondom❕.

•.

🔺EXCLUDE.

💰Shortime •2. 5 JT 1 xcrot💦.

☑Full service, No anal, Wajib kondom❕.

💰Longtime •5. 5 JT 3 JAM bebas croot💦.

☑Full service, No anal, Wajib kondom❕.

(belum termasuk uang transpot grab).

•.

⭕FOTO REAL, GASESUAI SAMA FOTO BISA CANCEL DITEMPAT⭕.

1,500,000 idr for short time one shot CFS.

There's not even enough negotiation, it's laughable. Really only a fool will take these girls.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2776246]Yeah, I know this place, I think. Same as my photos below from 2019? I never found any action there. I was probably too early. Perhaps I'll have to venture back that way again.[/QUOTE]I think this place is open for business.

And.

Thank you for the flood of DMs. I feel that the reports have plenty of clues to the where abouts of this place. Part of the thrill is to find it. I managed to find it and this is my first time in Jakarta and I have zero Knowledge in bahasa. You guys can find it. Trust me you'll feel so much better once you do.

Point taken, I fully agree with you most of them are in line with excerpt you posted below. I did find few gem who are priced right but since I haven't met them yet I cannot vouch for it.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2776381]Twitter Jakarta girls are so over priced and photos are filtered. Why go through that BS when their are hundreds of hotels that go for far less.

Here's one example.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2776462]I think this place is open for business.

And.

Thank you for the flood of DMs. I feel that the reports have plenty of clues to the where abouts of this place. Part of the thrill is to find it. I managed to find it and this is my first time in Jakarta and I have zero Knowledge in bahasa. You guys can find it. Trust me you'll feel so much better once you do.[/QUOTE]It's in a city of 11+ million near railroad tracks in a large central area of the city. I don't think a lot of people will be able to find it from that information. If they do, it will be because they walk the tracks for several miles.

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2776516]It's in a city of 11+ million near railroad tracks in a large central area of the city. I don't think a lot of people will be able to find it from that information. If they do, it will be because they walk the tracks for several miles.[/QUOTE]From photo posted by steelbaton, seems the location is in penjaringan, north Jakarta, perhaps somewhere along jln bandengan utara III. I've never been there, but perhaps a member as intrepid as mr. Stinkyfeet can find it and report. Thanks to stinky for presenting this challenge to us!

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2776516]It's in a city of 11+ million near railroad tracks in a large central area of the city. I don't think a lot of people will be able to find it from that information. If they do, it will be because they walk the tracks for several miles.[/QUOTE]You don't need to search along the railway tracks of Jakarta to find this place.

You need to search this thread.

It has been written about for years.

Out of all the places to play, this is the best one due to the room facilities and service. The price comes out to be even comparing to komplek but rooms are so much better then komplek and exponentially better versus the train tracks. Train tracks are cheaper but it's also a half-hour.

Yes BBFS can be had there but almost anywhere can that be had. Classic also has it as well for a nominal tip of 200 k maybe even 100 k if your good at negotiating. I did three train track runs and the appeal has waned. Yes girls are young but what good is it if your in a cramped room (I'm 6 ft and I can't stretch my legs out when she's bouncing off my junk they have to be bent) with no modern bathroom facilities (literally just a hose and a hole in the floor if the room even has it).

In comparison, classic had a full queen size with clean new sheets. Working air conditioner, full size bathroom and the room was modern and spotless. When breaking down by half hour, classic actually comes out cheaper. Also the girl I had from classic Joined me in the shower which is a plus for me.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2776753]You don't need to search along the railway tracks of Jakarta to find this place.

You need to search this thread.

It has been written about for years.[/QUOTE][URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Qfu7hcoz5gMoBwN9A[/URL]

Yes, indeed.

I won't drag this one out as these really are ten a penny.

But I had a one night stop over in Jakarta before returning home so checked it out for the first time since 2019. I went on a Thursday at about 5 pm and a pretty decent selection was there, a fairly quick scan of the room showed at least 5 that I was highly interested in.

You really do have to not take any of the shit from the mamasans, I think being western they try to palm their lowest quality stock off on you first, even though I had clearly told her in Bahasa Indonesia what my preferences are. After shooing about 6 potential matches away I took matters into my own hands and told her which woman from the couches I wanted, if they are not from her own group they do get a bit narky but fuck it, I can live with that. I will say that Asian customers do seem to get hotter girls brought to them straight away. Which is fine, just an observation to be aware of and don't be afraid to be assertive to get what you want.

The girl I had was hot but the technique was ok but her smelling of cigarette smoke and not wanting to kiss was putting me off being able to pop. Tbf she did then ask if I wanted to fuck her with no condom but I declined that and took her up on the offer of a BBBJ which was pretty decent.

By the time I came back up it was probably around 7 pm and it had really filled up, lots of tables where Asian dudes had paid to have a few of the hottest girls join them to drink a bottle of spirits etc. I did intend to have a round 2 but pickings were quite slim so I bailed. I would definitely advise going early if you want the best.

I was going to check out Malio as I had some epic nights there back in 2019 with the dancers who take you into the booths upstairs for shots. I only wish the dancer I hooked up with a few times on that trip was still single but she has a bule BF not judging by her social media. That dude is one lucky fucker when it comes to sex I can tell you, she was insane.

How close is Malio to its former glory?

A few reports say the girls get lazy when you do the 3 some option. But damn it's such a good deal. I wasn't planning on doing a threesome but Mama introduced two really cute petite teens. One was on a stockier ala Kim Kardashian body type with C's and the other is Loli girl with A cup Slinky body with a gorgeous face. I asked the mama if I could speak with them first just to be sure if they allowed oral play. they both discussed with each other ending with both agreeing that they would do it. Prior to them, five other girls refused so I was surprised that both accepted. In the room, they were amazing together. Hopping on and off of my face or working my junk either BBBJ or CFS cowgirl.

The stripper shots, I'm not sure how that works, but ordered five for the girl, she danced for five minutes and disappeared in the bathroom, I think it's a complete ripoff.

[QUOTE=ChillWinston88;2777555] I took matters into my own hands and told her which woman from the couches I wanted, if they are not from her own group they do get a bit narky but fuck it, I can live with that.[/QUOTE]This is how I've been doing it since after my first couple of visits when I was naive. I don't walk into a gogo bar in Thailand and let a mamsan tell me which girl I should go with so why would I let a mamasan pick my girl in Jakarta? As you said, they always bring the worst girls cause those are the girls in her group who haven't been busy. If I see a hot girl and she's walking to a room I stop her and ask her who her mamasan is. Then let the mamasan know I'm interested either today or on my next visits.

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2776516]It's in a city of 11+ million near railroad tracks in a large central area of the city. I don't think a lot of people will be able to find it from that information. If they do, it will be because they walk the tracks for several miles.[/QUOTE]The place is a fithy giant dump, half the rooms don't have anywhere to wash and the other half have a bucket with a ladle. You dry yourself with tissues they supply you with. OS put his foot through the ply room floor and on the way out see's some Nigerian pissing on the floor of the wash area where two minutes earlier OS was standing in his bare feet. And you would want to wash your clothes afterwards or risk getting body lice. It is an assault on the senses and if it ever caught fire would be a death trap.

Only plus is the girls. Ooh la la!

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2777935]The place is a fithy giant dump, half the rooms don't have anywhere to wash and the other half have a bucket with a ladle. You dry yourself with tissues they supply you with. OS put his foot through the ply room floor and on the way out see's some Nigerian pissing on the floor of the wash area where two minutes earlier OS was standing in his bare feet. And you would want to wash your clothes afterwards or risk getting body lice. It is an assault on the senses and if it ever caught fire would be a death trap.

Only plus is the girls. Ooh la la![/QUOTE]Additional context. This is from an Indonesian online forum dedicated to the place. The translation is straight from google:

Hati2 ke RGP skrg teman2.

Ada tamu dibacok oleh calo dari salah satu cafe (nama cafe disimpan demi nama baik).

Tamunya udah lapor Polres.

Keep fun and tetap waspada.

Watch out for RGP now friends.

There was a guest who was stabbed by a scalper from one of the cafes (the name of the cafe was saved for the sake of reputation).

The guest has reported the police.

Keep fun and stay alert.

Or another poster who spent an hour and a half stuck in one of those filthy rooms with the girl whil the police raided the place.

It's an experience alright.

So I ve been trying to find the royal gedong but couldn t really find anything.

Went there and it looked like a slum. I couldn t find much walking around this area and it felt quite dodgy.

Then somehow a couple lady psst me. I came to them. And without saying anything showed me a closed fist with the thumb between the index and the middle finger.

I wasn't clear whether they wanted to sell me drug or if it was for a punt. Being cautious I just refused and kept walking.

If anyone can help me to find the hotties from royal gedong would be very grateful.

Then I went to starmoon bar.

Receptionist asked me for my backpack and give me a card.

Then when I arrived in the bar, the music was so loud. I was offered to get some overpriced drink. I just picked the cheapest one at 48 k.

Then the mamasan asked me to pick between 20 something girls. The green one cost 350 k the red one 400 k.

I picked a green one and we went up stairs to a room where we both had to wash.

The sex was average, but the lady was young and cute enough for me to be ok. Especially at that price bracket. She didn't do much position. Only missionary and doggy. But at least not rushed like the Romanians!

When I finished she asked for tips. I wasn't really happy with her service but still gave 100.

So that's my exp so far and the only punt I had so far in Indonesia. Not easy to find anything here.

But at least I found the first one. Hoping there will be more in the next few remaining week here.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2777993]Then somehow a couple lady psst me. I came to them. And without saying anything showed me a closed fist with the thumb between the index and the middle finger.[/QUOTE]In Germany and the Netherlands (the former colonial occupier of Indonesia.) Like raising the middle finger. There's a cannon in the fort that has that hand gesture as the trigger.

I don't know why you choose to find train tracks ass your first punt. Just go to classic hotel. It's so much easier. If you go to komplek you have to bar hop since there's no door cover and no minimum drink too enter.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2777993]So I ve been trying to find the royal gedong but couldn t really find anything.

Went there and it looked like a slum. I couldn t find much walking around this area and it felt quite dodgy.

Then somehow a couple lady psst me. I came to them. And without saying anything showed me a closed fist with the thumb between the index and the middle finger.

I wasn't clear whether they wanted to sell me drug or if it was for a punt. Being cautious I just refused and kept walking.

If anyone can help me to find the hotties from royal gedong would be very grateful.

Then I went to starmoon bar.

Receptionist asked me for my backpack and give me a card.

Then when I arrived in the bar, the music was so loud. I was offered to get some overpriced drink. I just picked the cheapest one at 48 k.

Then the mamasan asked me to pick between 20 something girls. The green one cost 350 k the red one 400 k.

I picked a green one and we went up stairs to a room where we both had to wash.

The sex was average, but the lady was young and cute enough for me to be ok. Especially at that price bracket. She didn't do much position. Only missionary and doggy. But at least not rushed like the Romanians!

When I finished she asked for tips. I wasn't really happy with her service but still gave 100.

So that's my exp so far and the only punt I had so far in Indonesia. Not easy to find anything here.

But at least I found the first one. Hoping there will be more in the next few remaining week here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan;2778104]In Germany and the Netherlands (the former colonial occupier of Indonesia.) Like raising the middle finger. There's a cannon in the fort that has that hand gesture as the trigger.[/QUOTE]Awww thanks. Good to know. The place looked so dodgy. I wasn t sure if they were going to rob me or anything though. Not sure if it was the train track place as well.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2778233]I don't know why you choose to find train tracks ass your first punt. Just go to Classic Hotel. It's so much easier. If you go to Komplek you have to bar hop since there's no door cover and no minimum drink to enter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2777935]The place is a filthy giant dump, half the rooms don't have anywhere to wash and the other half have a bucket with a ladle. You dry yourself with the tissues they supply you with. OS put his foot through the ply room floor and on the way out see's some Nigerian pissing on the floor of the wash area where two minutes earlier OS was standing in his bare feet. And you would want to wash your clothes afterward or risk getting body lice. It is an assault on the senses and if it ever caught fire would be a death trap.
The only plus is the girls. Ooh la la![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member#3088;2776743]From the photo posted by steelbaton, seems the location is in Penjaringan, north Jakarta, perhaps somewhere along Jalan Bandengan Utara III. I've never been there, but perhaps a member as intrepid as Mr. Stinkyfeet can find it and report. Thanks to stinky for presenting this challenge to us![/QUOTE]I visited this place once around 15 years ago but that was after I had lived in Jakarta for over two years and spoke reasonably fluent Bahasa. The only reason I even went was to check it out and add it to my list of Jakarta adventures (I had sex at over 50 MPs during my time in Jakarta) and I never bothered to go back.

Stinky is correct, anyone new to Jakarta shouldn't even think of visiting this place, unless you are brought there by a trusted companion who's fluent in Bahasa, and even then there are numerous better places. As OS points out, the place really is a filthy dump.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2778233]I don't know why you choose to find train tracks ass your first punt. Just go to classic hotel. It's so much easier. If you go to komplek you have to bar hop since there's no door cover and no minimum drink too enter.[/QUOTE]I had 2 punt in komplex already.

First was in Starmoon (the story I just posted). I had to get a drink first (paid 50 k). Then after paying 350 k then last asked for tips so I added 100 k. Then at the exit the doorman who hold my backpack (I thought it was mandatory) asked for 10 k tips.

So 160 k more than what I should have paid? Or is it mandatory?

Then went to Suri Ayu. Girl cost 400 k for 1 h. Girl kept asking me if I finished. I kept telling her it's 1 h. I think she ended up leaving after 20-25 min. Not sure if I can keep them staying for the full hour?

And lastly, I m hesitating to book night in Classic hotel. Do I need to book night in this hotel to use the girls facilities? Or can I just pop in and use the services?

And train track shouldn t be used if I don t speak Indonesian?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2777993]

Went there and it looked like a slum. I couldn t find much walking around this area and it felt quite dodgy.[/QUOTE]It is a slum, The whole Penjaringan area is a slum and they can be nasty through there. The nearby Bahari apartments are where they went from floor to floor during the Jakarta riots raping and tossing people off their balconies.

Only plus is the girls Ooh la la!

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2778300]
<snip> First was in Starmoon (the story I just posted). I had to get a drink first (paid 50 k). Then after paying 350 k then last asked for tips so I added 100 k. Then at the exit the doorman who hold my backpack (I thought it was mandatory) asked for 10 k tips.

So 160 k more than what I should have paid? Or is it mandatory? <snip>

And lastly, I m hesitating to book night in Classic hotel. Do I need to book night in this hotel to use the girls facilities? Or can I just pop in and use the services?

And train track shouldn t be used if I don t speak Indonesian? <snip>
[/QUOTE]The tips are optional. You tip if you like the girl and / or are planning to visit her a second time.
Doormen are in the habit of asking for tips. You can smile and say next time. Don't feel pressured to tip.
You tipped the girl 100,000 IDR which is 6 Euros or 6. 25 US Dollars. Not a lot of money. Just wanted to put this in context.

Hotel Classic.
You do NOT have to stay in the Hotel to visit the Club. You can walk in and look around. If you don't like any of the girls you can leave.
I suggest you read some of the earlier trip reports (Use the Search tool). Hotel Classic is very well documented in this forum!

Train Tracks/Penjaringan
I have not been here. However, after reading the posts from OS and Stinky feet I have no interest in visiting this dump. I like comfort, cleanliness and safety.

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2778309]It is a slum, The whole Penjaringan area is a slum and they can be nasty through there.
Only plus is the girls Ooh la la![/QUOTE]Are we talking dodgy levels like Today Country / Tiara Ciara or much worse? Actually I can probably figure that one out. TC was the same level of dodgy as the places all along Mangga Besar. Travel was a step above though.

But the girls oo la la! One of the best from that place even had a name like that.

Ok I just wanted to have an excuse to mention TC. Back to the regularly scheduled discussion whilst I cue up 'Memories' on Spotify.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2778335]The tips are optional. You tip if you like the girl and / or are planning to visit her a second time.
Doormen are in the habit of asking for tips. You can smile and say next time. Don't feel pressured to tip.
You tipped the girl 100,000 IDR which is 6 Euros or 6. 25 US Dollars. Not a lot of money. Just wanted to put this in context.

Hotel Classic.
You do NOT have to stay in the Hotel to visit the Club. You can walk in and look around. If you don't like any of the girls you can leave.
I suggest you read some of the earlier trip reports (Use the Search tool). Hotel Classic is very well documented in this forum![/QUOTE]Thanks I was thinking it was necessary but will do what you said for the next time. Train track sounded good though.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2778300]I had 2 punt in komplex already.

First was in Starmoon (the story I just posted). I had to get a drink first (paid 50 k). Then after paying 350 k then last asked for tips so I added 100 k. Then at the exit the doorman who hold my backpack (I thought it was mandatory) asked for 10 k tips.

So 160 k more than what I should have paid? Or is it mandatory?

Then went to Suri Ayu. Girl cost 400 k for 1 h. Girl kept asking me if I finished. I kept telling her it's 1 h. I think she ended up leaving after 20-25 min. Not sure if I can keep them staying for the full hour?

And lastly, I m hesitating to book night in Classic hotel. Do I need to book night in this hotel to use the girls facilities? Or can I just pop in and use the services?

And train track shouldn t be used if I don t speak Indonesian?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Try not to bring more then you need. I carry a crossbody. The only thing they ask to hold for me is my bottled water which I later retrieve without tipping.

Tipping the girl is optional if they exceed service. Basic service that you shouldn't have to tip is basic CFS and BBBJ. I normally tip extra if I asked to bring my donkey or my camera crew.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2778360]Try not to bring more then you need. I carry a crossbody. The only thing they ask to hold for me is my bottled water which I later retrieve without tipping.

Tipping the girl is optional if they exceed service. Basic service that you shouldn't have to tip is basic CFS and BBBJ. I normally tip extra if I asked to bring my donkey or my camera crew.[/QUOTE]Awww good to know. Do they allow to record?

Can I ask them if I can record on my phone and pay tips? How much tips for this?

The only reason I decided to try the train tracks is because I experienced dump places in south China twenty years ago (now defunct thanks to the chairman). You have to have pretty high stamina and exceedingly low standards to be able to cop one out. Somehow the train tracks is actually worse then the dive joints in China (dive joints also had insane hot young girls at crazy low prices, 150cny/30min) just because the rooms are so fukn small. Service wise on average it's the same (meaning non-existent service) with the girl doing her best not to get you hard and run out the time. I've been burnt so many times with the aweful phrase "kuai dian" and more or less the same at the train tracks or for the train tracks favorite, it hurts then pushes away despite sporting a half erect chub. Of course their are gems but it's like finding a needle in the haystack. There's the exception if you go for the undesirable girls you'll have a higher chance of getting good service.

Here's a bone for y'all's. At the train tracks there's a girl name bella who is a gem. Very pretty, slender, patient, and service oriented. I blew my load so fast despite the loud aweful Indo techno blasting and tiny room (5'10" room length) and waxy stained "bed".

Classic Hotel is a miracle tbh. Girl selection, room quality, and price 24usd(365000IDR)/hr vs 25usd(150cny)/0.5hr.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2778346]Are we talking dodgy levels like Today Country / Tiara Ciara or much worse? Actually I can probably figure that one out. TC was the same level of dodgy as the places all along Mangga Besar. Travel was a step above though.

But the girls oo la la! One of the best from that place even had a name like that.

Ok I just wanted to have an excuse to mention TC. Back to the regularly scheduled discussion whilst I cue up 'Memories' on Spotify.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2778365]The only reason I decided to try the train tracks is because I experienced dump places in south China twenty years ago (now defunct thanks to the chairman). You have to have pretty high stamina and exceedingly low standards to be able to cop one out. Somehow the train tracks is actually worse then the dive joints in China (dive joints also had insane hot young girls at crazy low prices, 150cny/30min) just because the rooms are so fukn small. Service wise on average it's the same (meaning non-existent service) with the girl doing her best not to get you hard and run out the time. I've been burnt so many times with the aweful phrase "kuai dian" and more or less the same at the train tracks or for the train tracks favorite, it hurts then pushes away despite sporting a half erect chub. Of course their are gems but it's like finding a needle in the haystack. There's the exception if you go for the undesirable girls you'll have a higher chance of getting good service.

Here's a bone for y'all's. At the train tracks there's a girl name bella who is a gem. Very pretty, slender, patient, and service oriented. I blew my load so fast despite the loud aweful Indo techno blasting and tiny room (5'10" room length) and waxy stained "bed".

Classic Hotel is a miracle tbh. Girl selection, room quality, and price 24usd(365000IDR)/hr vs 25usd(150cny)/0.5hr.[/QUOTE]Ok I'll definitely go to classic hotel. Good to know I don t need to book a night there to use it.

Also, I got short timed because I paid 400 k for 1 h in Suri Ayu and the sex was just 20-25 min.

Then the girl initiated the exit after the shower. In most place when I cummed the session is over so I assumed it was the case here as well.

Or is it not the case? Would have been happy to ask her giving me a massage or cuddling for the remaining 30 min with her.

Wow thanks for this forum. Classic Hotel is all that and more. Where else will you get a 18-19 year old dime. Back in my room trying to cool myself off after that.

But what I really want to know is if the cart on the street is selling legit Viagra or just some dyed blue sugar pills?

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2778403]Ok I'll definitely go to classic hotel. Good to know I don t need to book a night there to use it.

Also, I got short timed because I paid 400 k for 1 h in Suri Ayu and the sex was just 20-25 min.

Then the girl initiated the exit after the shower. In most place when I cummed the session is over so I assumed it was the case here as well.

Or is it not the case? Would have been happy to ask her giving me a massage or cuddling for the remaining 30 min with her.[/QUOTE]

The girls are only human. If you go there early, they'll be hungry to get their customers, they'll want to get to the floor as quickly as possible. If it's a busy night and their working really hard, they'll want to snuggle to get in some rest. Massage, this place is not. Also depends on the girl, I look for the same girl when I go there so she'll want snuggle up to get her brownie points in for me so I'll continue to see her.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2779048]The girls are only human. If you go there early, they'll be hungry to get their customers, they'll want to get to the floor as quickly as possible. If it's a busy night and their working really hard, they'll want to snuggle to get in some rest. Massage, this place is not. Also depends on the girl, I look for the same girl when I go there so she'll want snuggle up to get her brownie points in for me so I'll continue to see her.[/QUOTE]True. Thanks for the advice. May try repeating although they just give bad / avg experience so don t want to. Will probably try classic hotel this weekend.

So I decided to try classic hotel. Went there around 2:30 pm. I went to the club on the 2nd floor.

There was maybe 20 girls all sitting around. I was told I need to have a 40 k minimum spend on drink.

So went ordered a cheap soft drink.

Mamasan came to me. And started to present me 2 girls. She said double for 500 k 90 min. I said I only wanted 1. She said 365 and 60 min.

The line up wasn't that great. I asked mamasan if there were other girls later. She said they come from 6 pm. And it's too long to wait until 6 pm.

I didn t mind as I just came to see what it looks like. But mamasan really wanted me to take someone. She sat near me all the time. Then called a random chick to sit next to me. Then left both of us to have a chat.

After 10 min I was really not interested by her and asked her to go back to her friend.

Then mamasan came back and sat near me again asking to chose again.

Exasperated. I decided to have a walk around to check on the girl. And another mamasan came asking me to pick one. It was so much pressure I decided to get one.

The lady I chosen told me she was 19. Same as many girls there. I wondered if they lied about their age. She also had very perky tits which made wonder if they were real. But I thought she probably don t have the cash for this?

Anyway, we did the deed and it was the same as in Starmoon. Okayish service and wanting to leave as soon as the deed is finished. So I suppose max time is around 30 min but not 1 h.

She was more pleasant though. But asked for tips at the end and I have her 100 k tips.

Upon leaving. The maid were behind the door. Very odd. All 5 maid asked for tips. I refused because I thought it was too much.

Then when leaving I paid for my drink. I think they added 10 k to it to 38 k. Gave 40 k and didn't get change.

So all in all paid 515 k. I'd said service and line up is very very similar to starmoon.

I was considering booking in classic hotel my stay but will probably stay in cheaper hotel nearer komplex as the service and pricing is similar.

Would definitely come back on weekend evening to see how it is on evening.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2779245]I was considering booking in classic hotel my stay but will probably stay in cheaper hotel nearer komplex as the service and pricing is similar.

Would definitely come back on weekend evening to see how it is on evening.[/QUOTE]Unless I found the wrong Classic Hotel, but Google is telling be it's quite affordable.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2778309]It is a slum, The whole Penjaringan area is a slum and they can be nasty through there. The nearby Bahari apartments are where they went from floor to floor during the Jakarta riots raping and tossing people off their balconies.

Only plus is the girls Ooh la la![/QUOTE]Am I to read that as it's not very safe to go there?

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2779367]Am I to read that as it's not very safe to go there?[/QUOTE]Correct. It's not very safe to go there.

As I wrote the other day: "Stinky is correct, anyone new to Jakarta shouldn't even think of visiting this place, unless you are brought there by a trusted companion who's fluent in Bahasa, and even then there are numerous better places. As Offshore Swell points out, the place really is a filthy dump. ".

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2779366]Unless I found the wrong Classic Hotel, but Google is telling be it's quite affordable.[/QUOTE]Each night in classic hotel cost around 400 k via Agoda. They also don't have weekly discount for long term stayed.

I booked one with weekly discount near komplex (Primahotel ITC) for 250 k / night.

So an equivalent hotel, 5 min walk to komplex, 30% cheaper.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2779245]So I decided to try classic hotel. Went there around 2:30 pm. I went to the club on the 2nd floor.

There was maybe 20 girls all sitting around. I was told I need to have a 40 k minimum spend on drink.

So went ordered a cheap soft drink.

Mamasan came to me. And started to present me 2 girls. She said double for 500 k 90 min. I said I only wanted 1. She said 365 and 60 min.

The line up wasn't that great. I asked mamasan if there were other girls later. She said they come from 6 pm. And it's too long to wait until 6 pm.

I didn t mind as I just came to see what it looks like. But mamasan really wanted me to take someone. She sat near me all the time. Then called a random chick to sit next to me. Then left both of us to have a chat.

After 10 min I was really not interested by her and asked her to go back to her friend.

Then mamasan came back and sat near me again asking to chose again.

Exasperated. I decided to have a walk around to check on the girl. And another mamasan came asking me to pick one. It was so much pressure I decided to get one.

The lady I chosen told me she was 19. Same as many girls there. I wondered if they lied about their age. She also had very perky tits which made wonder if they were real. But I thought she probably don t have the cash for this?

Anyway, we did the deed and it was the same as in Starmoon. Okayish service and wanting to leave as soon as the deed is finished. So I suppose max time is around 30 min but not 1 h.

She was more pleasant though. But asked for tips at the end and I have her 100 k tips.

Upon leaving. The maid were behind the door. Very odd. All 5 maid asked for tips. I refused because I thought it was too much.

Then when leaving I paid for my drink. I think they added 10 k to it to 38 k. Gave 40 k and didn't get change.

So all in all paid 515 k. I'd said service and line up is very very similar to starmoon.

I was considering booking in classic hotel my stay but will probably stay in cheaper hotel nearer komplex as the service and pricing is similar.

Would definitely come back on weekend evening to see how it is on evening.[/QUOTE]Yes, OS is a firm advocate in watching your pennies too. You did the right thing to decline the tips. News of a tipper travels by bongo drum in those places and before you know it, they will be lining up for your generosity.

As for all those saving you have made. They can be used for so many interesting things. You could treat yourself to a new toothbrush, buy some nasi goreng or even park your motorcycle for an hour or too. Well done!. If you look after the pennies the pounds will look after themselves OS mother used to tell him. Although, she would never have imagined that OS would have allocated so many of those pennies to this lustful craft.

Today I went to komplex around 3 pm. It didn't look busy and the music wasn't blasting from outside. That I really appreciated.

I started first going to Mega Ayu. Mamasan came to me and said something I had no clue. I tried to look for the girls but could only see a few further down.

I asked mamasan what service they provide in Google translate. She said girls and drink.

So I asked how much for the girls. She said 750 k.

Surprised by the price. I asked what service they provide. She moved her body and said "chica chica". I assume it means sex. I was expecting something more for this price premium. I was wondering whether I should tell her next door it cost 400 k?

She showed me 1 or 2 girls who were fairly average looking. I wasn't interested to pay a premium for an average girl?

I thanked her and left.

Then I went to MTR bar massage. There were only 3 girls in there. Really not attractive either. I just queried about the price and he told me 400 k.

I acknowledged and left as I wasn't interested.

The afternoon seems to be a disappointment in Komplex. Classic hotel had 20 girls and didn't try to charge me 750 k.

Wondering if I made the wrong choice as I booked a hotel near komplex. Will come back later to check if it gets better.

Maybe this is your first punt hunt or maybe your from Hong Kong (walkups begin at noon) or maybe your Tijuana Hong Kong veteran. But I feel in Indonesia things start going at 7-8 pm.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2779555]Today I went to komplex around 3 pm. It didn't look busy and the music wasn't blasting from outside. That I really appreciated.

I started first going to Mega Ayu. Mamasan came to me and said something I had no clue. I tried to look for the girls but could only see a few further down.

I asked mamasan what service they provide in Google translate. She said girls and drink.

So I asked how much for the girls. She said 750 k.

Surprised by the price. I asked what service they provide. She moved her body and said "chica chica". I assume it means sex. I was expecting something more for this price premium. I was wondering whether I should tell her next door it cost 400 k?

She showed me 1 or 2 girls who were fairly average looking. I wasn't interested to pay a premium for an average girl?

I thanked her and left.

Then I went to MTR bar massage. There were only 3 girls in there. Really not attractive either. I just queried about the price and he told me 400 k.

I acknowledged and left as I wasn't interested.

The afternoon seems to be a disappointment in Komplex. Classic hotel had 20 girls and didn't try to charge me 750 k.

Wondering if I made the wrong choice as I booked a hotel near komplex. Will come back later to check if it gets better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2779615]Maybe this is your first punt hunt or maybe your from Hong Kong (walkups begin at noon) or maybe your Tijuana Hong Kong veteran. But I feel in Indonesia things start going at 7-8 pm.[/QUOTE]Ah good to know. I usually prefer going when there are less people even though there are less girls as it's a quieter period and easier to pick the pretty girls. Which usually get booked non stop when it gets busy.

This is particularly true in Germans brothels or FKKs. Same for Bangkok / Pattaya I remember some of the pretty girls I wanted to book was gone by 8 pm while I was on a reconnaissance tour.

I am going to Yogyakarta which is on my bucket list. Still not decided on taking the girl I met online. She is chubby. Not sure if she is up to walking during sightseeing trips.

Even for sex it will be like plugging a whale. I will be in Jakarta two nights and two nights in Yogyakarta. So I might partake in some action in Jakarta and just do sightseeing alone. I am coming back to Philippines anyway where I can get all the pussy I want. Not worth taking a whale on vacation. In her pictures she did not look fat but on cam really fat.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2779724]I am going to Yogyakarta which is on my bucket list. Still not decided on taking the girl I met online. She is chubby. Not sure if she is up to walking during sightseeing trips.

Even for sex it will be like plugging a whale. I will be in Jakarta two nights and two nights in Yogyakarta. So I might partake in some action in Jakarta and just do sightseeing alone. I am coming back to Philippines anyway where I can get all the pussy I want. Not worth taking a whale on vacation. In her pictures she did not look fat but on cam really fat.[/QUOTE]Would you consider finding a different girl in Jakarta. It is always nice having a sightseeing girl along for the ride. Getting a slim one and you have someone to help with dinner plans. Girl love the status of being flown around on your dime also. That's certainly what I do in Ph. Is that transferrable to Indo?

Another punt in Classic. Fairly average punt. I think the maid this time recognized me as the dude who doesn't tip.

I think they decided to ring around 35-40 min in for the time up reminder. I know I have 1 h but I suppose they'll get stricter because I didn't tip the maids.

Also at the end of the session I gave 100 k to the girl I punted and she asked for 100 k more. The previous one had a disappointed face as well.

I told her I need the cash for my next punt. And she let it be. Very awkward moment made me wonder if 200 is standard tip? I really hope no. 100 k is good enough on top of the initial fee? (365 k + mandatory drink (50 k for orange juice).

At Sammon simplest for you is just to go to classic hotel. You'll be able to pick around 50-70 girls between the 2 clubs.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2779724]I am going to Yogyakarta which is on my bucket list. Still not decided on taking the girl I met online. She is chubby. Not sure if she is up to walking during sightseeing trips.

Even for sex it will be like plugging a whale. I will be in Jakarta two nights and two nights in Yogyakarta. So I might partake in some action in Jakarta and just do sightseeing alone. I am coming back to Philippines anyway where I can get all the pussy I want. Not worth taking a whale on vacation. In her pictures she did not look fat but on cam really fat.[/QUOTE]While Jogja is a pretty conservative place, it's also a college town. If you're not desperate to get laid, then arriving alone then jumping on the location based apps may bring up pleasant surprises with little downside risk. Certainly better than being stuck with a porker as the only option for the whole time.

Of course, if she is just a Freudian Slip then there is no shame in that too. 😜.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2779728]Would you consider finding a different girl in Jakarta. It is always nice having a sightseeing girl along for the ride. Getting a slim one and you have someone to help with dinner plans. Girl love the status of being flown around on your dime also. That's certainly what I do in Ph. Is that transferrable to Indo?[/QUOTE]I will certainly try but it will be a last minute deal to book flights. Problem is the language unlike in Philippines. I too never went anywhere alone in Philippines. I did try some sites but it is full of old ladies long for stability. It seems unlike Philippines age differences is a factor in Indo for normal dating girls. Once I land hoping to find tout-who will help. My last trip there were couple of them at the hotel who helped me get pretty girls. Not sure if it has changed now. Do not want do a rush deal because it will be a torture if the companion is not likeable.

I am just hoping a driver or hotel person may fix me up with a girl in Yogyakarta. If not so be it. I tried to talk to the fat girl if she can fix me up with a thin girl but she refused. Maybe trying to protect her money.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2779947]I will certainly try but it will be a last minute deal to book flights. Problem is the language unlike in Philippines. I too never went anywhere alone in Philippines. I did try some sites but it is full of old ladies long for stability. It seems unlike Philippines age differences is a factor in Indo for normal dating girls. Once I land hoping to find tout-who will help. My last trip there were couple of them at the hotel who helped me get pretty girls. Not sure if it has changed now. Do not want do a rush deal because it will be a torture if the companion is not likeable.

I am just hoping a driver or hotel person may fix me up with a girl in Yogyakarta. If not so be it. I tried to talk to the fat girl if she can fix me up with a thin girl but she refused. Maybe trying to protect her money.[/QUOTE]Depending on your budget and time of arrival you could head to somewhere like BATS and find a companion. Have picked up some wonderful girls from there pre-covid who I have flown around Asia at various times. Wasn't that busy when I was there a few months ago so choice may be limited, but you may be surprised. Certainly English isn't going to be an issue. Or you could go the Gold Membership route for Tinder, set your location as Yogya and see what gems come up. It's a Uni town so should be some wonderful ladies looking for a few $.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2779724]I will be in Jakarta two nights and two nights in Yogyakarta. So I might partake in some action in Jakarta and just do sightseeing alone.[/QUOTE]Do see the Borobudur.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2779863]Another punt in Classic. Fairly average punt. I think the maid this time recognized me as the dude who doesn't tip.

I think they decided to ring around 35-40 min in for the time up reminder. I know I have 1 h but I suppose they'll get stricter because I didn't tip the maids.

Also at the end of the session I gave 100 k to the girl I punted and she asked for 100 k more. The previous one had a disappointed face as well.

I told her I need the cash for my next punt. And she let it be. Very awkward moment made me wonder if 200 is standard tip? I really hope no. 100 k is good enough on top of the initial fee? (365 k + mandatory drink (50 k for orange juice).

At Sammon simplest for you is just to go to classic hotel. You'll be able to pick around 50-70 girls between the 2 clubs.[/QUOTE]I hope you don't mind me making the following comments, they are merely aimed at ensuring you enjoy yourself a bit more than you currently appear to be doing.

I am only reading your few paragraphs of type on a screen and straight away I am picking up a very negative vibe from you. You appear to want to be disappointed, you give the impression of someone who is a bit antsy, unsure of himself and on the look out all the time for someone who is trying to rip you off. This is the feeling I get from reading your posts, I am pretty certain if I am getting this idea about you, the people around you in a brothel, pretty shrewd judges of character when it comes to these things, are sensing it even more so.

You need to chill out a little bit, relax, especially now that you know the ropes. Have a drink or two, smile a lot, if your Bahasa Indonesia isn't great, just shrug your shoulders in the universal manner, give a broad grin and make it out that "Hey I don't understand a word anyone is saying here, but we all know what we want so let's get it on shall we?" Try to lose the nervous tourist look, feeling for your wallet and camera whenever a local person approaches you to talk to you.

In the room, try to get some sort of rapport going with the girl, it's not essential, after all you are the paying client and it's her job to service you, but you never know, the service might get upgraded from basic to a little bit extra if you can get her to laugh now and then. The phone usually rings about the 50-minute mark, that's standard practice, it lets you know you have 10 minutes to finish up, get showered and dressed, otherwise we'd all end up going right to the clock and then extending our stay another 10 minutes as we freshened up.

And most of all for crying out loud get over yourself about the tips. You don't have to tip anyone if you don't want to, I only ever tip the girl, 100 if it's standard service, 200 if she brightened up my evening and a promise that I'll choose her again next time. Occasionally if the mama gets me a real cracker (rather than reaching for the first girl that passes us by) I will slip her a 20, as you can see, I am not the last of the big spenders but somehow I manage to have a good time in Classic.

No one else needs a tip, not the maid (trust me the management doesn't care whether you tip the maids, they aren't phoning you early out of spite), not the doorman, not the lady who takes your "boarding pass" as you leave, just give them a pleasant smile and be on your way. The very fact that they all seem to be badgering you for tips indicates that you are giving off a certain, almost vulnerable, vibe, which I seem to be getting from you myself.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts, sorry if I come across as a bit obnoxious, I really am not, I am just trying to help you have fun in an establishment whose sole purpose is to let a guy like you have fun.

ETA: The mama was not saying "chica chica", but "jiggy-jiggy", ie sex, surely anyone who frequents houses of ill-repute must have come across that expression before.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2780090]I hope you don't mind me making the following comments, they are merely aimed at ensuring you enjoy yourself a bit more than you currently appear to be doing.

I am only reading your few paragraphs of type on a screen and straight away I am picking up a very negative vibe from you. You appear to want to be disappointed, you give the impression of someone who is a bit antsy, unsure of himself and on the look out all the time for someone who is trying to rip you off. This is the feeling I get from reading your posts, I am pretty certain if I am getting this idea about you, the people around you in a brothel, pretty shrewd judges of character when it comes to these things, are sensing it even more so.

You need to chill out a little bit, relax, especially now that you know the ropes. Have a drink or two, smile a lot, if your Bahasa Indonesia isn't great, just shrug your shoulders in the universal manner, give a broad grin and make it out that "Hey I don't understand a word anyone is saying here, but we all know what we want so let's get it on shall we?" Try to lose the nervous tourist look, feeling for your wallet and camera whenever a local person approaches you to talk to you.

In the room, try to get some sort of rapport going with the girl, it's not essential, after all you are the paying client and it's her job to service you, but you never know, the service might get upgraded from basic to a little bit extra if you can get her to laugh now and then. The phone usually rings about the 50-minute mark, that's standard practice, it lets you know you have 10 minutes to finish up, get showered and dressed, otherwise we'd all end up going right to the clock and then extending our stay another 10 minutes as we freshened up.

And most of all for crying out loud get over yourself about the tips. You don't have to tip anyone if you don't want to, I only ever tip the girl, 100 if it's standard service, 200 if she brightened up my evening and a promise that I'll choose her again next time. Occasionally if the mama gets me a real cracker (rather than reaching for the first girl that passes us by) I will slip her a 20, as you can see, I am not the last of the big spenders but somehow I manage to have a good time in Classic.

No one else needs a tip, not the maid (trust me the management doesn't care whether you tip the maids, they aren't phoning you early out of spite), not the doorman, not the lady who takes your "boarding pass" as you leave, just give them a pleasant smile and be on your way. The very fact that they all seem to be badgering you for tips indicates that you are giving off a certain, almost vulnerable, vibe, which I seem to be getting from you myself.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts, sorry if I come across as a bit obnoxious, I really am not, I am just trying to help you have fun in an establishment whose sole purpose is to let a guy like you have fun.

ETA: The mama was not saying "chica chica", but "jiggy-jiggy", ie sex, surely anyone who frequents houses of ill-repute must have come across that expression before.[/QUOTE]Hey thank you. Your feedback really freshened me up. I did have a bit of this bad vibe they were all expecting tips from me.

I ll stick to 100 k then. Good to hear. No tip for the maid.

So for Mega Ayu it's normal they charge 750 k while other charge 350-400 k for the same service? Was always wondered if there was a misunderstanding or if they are charging more.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2780020]Do see the Borobudur.[/QUOTE]Yes, planning to see Borobudur and prambanan temple. Not sure if I will go and see volcano because I have seen them around Jakarta on a previous trip.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2780102]So for Mega Ayu it's normal they charge 750 k while other charge 350-400 k for the same service? Was always wondered if there was a misunderstanding or if they are charging more.[/QUOTE]It seems so, I agree it is an odd pricing differential, given that there doesn't appear to be any great difference in the quality, best to give Mega Ayu a miss unless anyone else here suggests that there is actually a good reason for such a mark-up.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2780116]Yes, planning to see Borobudur and prambanan temple. Not sure if I will go and see volcano because I have seen them around Jakarta on a previous trip.[/QUOTE]My recommendation is not to pre-book any Temple / Volcano tours. Looks reasonably priced, but if you get to your hotel, more than likely you'll be able to work out a better rate and have a great time. I was staying at the Sheraton Mustika and while it's an older hotel, it's not too bad. I do like the Marriott connected to the mall but that was twice the price. The Sheraton front desk was able to hook me up with the Sheraton price of a silver / golden bird all day for 1 M and I got to put it on the roomcharge for points. Morning view of Boro, then over to the temple site. (Can't do sunrise at the temple for now and can't go into the temple due to pandemic and renovation measures). The temple is not closed, but if you there too early, it'll look like it's closed. Went to the other temple mentioned too, it's a common route to hit both temples. Then Mt. Merapi the volcano. The driver will set up some off road adventure for you, depending on how much you pay, it's about an hour tour and it's fun enough. You pay for all of the entry tickets out of pocket this way, and even in the end when you add everything all up, you're still saving quite a bit of money (I did with a party of 2, not sure you'll save that much party of 1).

Yogyakarta is also called Jogja. The airport is not in the city anymore. It's referenced as New Yogyakarta international airport. It's about an hour southwest from downtown. The tour of the 3 spots will likely be about 2. 5 hours drive time total. Add 1. 5 hours for viewing from nearby hillside of Boro, add 1 hour for Boro, add 1 hour for Pramba, add 1. 5 to 2 hours for Merapi. The driver will stop for lunch at his favorite rated restaurant. You buy lunch, he gets it for free. Don't forget the driver tip at Mt. Merapi offroading and your silver / golden bird at the end of the day.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2779997]Depending on your budget and time of arrival you could head to somewhere like BATS and find a companion. Have picked up some wonderful girls from there pre-covid who I have flown around Asia at various times. Wasn't that busy when I was there a few months ago so choice may be limited, but you may be surprised. Certainly English isn't going to be an issue. Or you could go the Gold Membership route for Tinder, set your location as Yogya and see what gems come up. It's a Uni town so should be some wonderful ladies looking for a few $.[/QUOTE]The girls at the Classics and KI's are younger and prettier, but they usually can't go with you to any travel adventure. Many times, they work this line because they owe a money debt to Ibu and their organization hangs on to their KTP so they can't leave town. Also, they usually work every day. This is why the freelancers at BATS or Tinder would be a better bet. More expensive and 5 years older. Usually with kid (funny I haven't had a Tinder date that was with a freelancer without kids yet).

Hey thanks for all your answer guys.

My hotel is just nearby komplex so I can go daily until my flight at this Saturday 😸.

So yesterday I tried vfour hotel. Cost 400 for silver girl and 600 for gold. I took a silver one. She was very unenthusiastic. I thought she was about to cry when doing a blowjob and saw some drip out of dick. She didn t like BJ then did few position without much smile.

Didn't ask for tips though at the end and because I didn t drink it only cost me 400 k. So amongst the cheapest there. The room is dreadful though with damaged wall but humidity and I wouldn t sleep there in a hotel.

I also walked just past the happy bar. There was another one asking me whether I wanted to do karaoke with the girls. They said sing only. No sex. I was interested but was afraid of being scammed with overpriced drinks. And also they would sing in Indonesian so no way I could do anything.

Maybe some member here have experience with KTV here as I'm not sure I want to risk.

I also have load of matches from TanTan. Most of the girls are freelance and quote me between 1-2 M.

I told them every time I can go to komplex for 350 k and can pay up to 500 k for them to come and will cover travel cost. But none accepted.

Lowest I had as counter offer was 800 k. For 1 shot short term. I'm bit puzzled as why komplex / classic girls are so much cheaper. And on top of that the girls there have to pay the mamasan, pay the hotel, pay the room, the security. So I'm guessing out of the 350-400 they maybe get at most 250.

And yet, the online tantan girls refuse to move for less than 1 M. I can punt 2 x for that price!

They also say they never paid so little for a client and that the other girls are "mechat" girls who have sex all the time. And they are cleaner.

I'm a bit puzzled by this pricing dynamic. And in fact, it's possible to bring girls from Komplex to our hotel if I book long term. Was quoted 800 k-1. 2 M for 3 h. Not 1 shot short term Tantan girl say.

I guess I'll go to komplex / classic for the remaining days of my stay in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2780329]My recommendation is not to pre-book any Temple / Volcano tours. Looks reasonably priced, but if you get to your hotel, more than likely you'll be able to work out a better rate and have a great time. I was staying at the Sheraton Mustika and while it's an older hotel, it's not too bad. I do like the Marriott connected to the mall but that was twice the price. The Sheraton front desk was able to hook me up with the Sheraton price of a silver / golden bird all day for 1 M and I got to put it on the roomcharge for points. Morning view of Boro, then over to the temple site. (Can't do sunrise at the temple for now and can't go into the temple due to pandemic and renovation measures). The temple is not closed, but if you there too early, it'll look like it's closed. Went to the other temple mentioned too, it's a common route to hit both temples. Then Mt. Merapi the volcano. The driver will set up some off road adventure for you, depending on how much you pay, it's about an hour tour and it's fun enough. You pay for all of the entry tickets out of pocket this way, and even in the end when you add everything all up, you're still saving quite a bit of money (I did with a party of 2, not sure you'll save that much party of 1).

Yogyakarta is also called Jogja. The airport is not in the city anymore. It's referenced as New Yogyakarta international airport. It's about an hour southwest from downtown. The tour of the 3 spots will likely be about 2. 5 hours drive time total. Add 1. 5 hours for viewing from nearby hillside of Boro, add 1 hour for Boro, add 1 hour for Pramba, add 1. 5 to 2 hours for Merapi. The driver will stop for lunch at his favorite rated restaurant. You buy lunch, he gets it for free. Don't forget the driver tip at Mt. Merapi offroading and your silver / golden bird at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]I have also booked Sheraton mustika with lounge access. I might still take a girl with me. If party of two it will be nice to rent a car and driver. If alone I might consider a tour. However I will not prebook. Many of these tours are capacity oriented, in other words if they're not enough people they tend to cancel without warning. If you think Marriott is better I can book that also.

What did you mean by silver / golden bird?

I have seen enough volcanoes all over the world including Indonesia. Mt. Merapi is not on my list to see. I just want to see Borobudur and Prambanan temple. Not particularly interested in sunrise tour having done it in Angkor what with a very pretty Cambodia girl. Nothing special about sunrise and I hate getting up early.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2780662]I have also booked Sheraton mustika with lounge access. I might still take a girl with me. If party of two it will be nice to rent a car and driver. If alone I might consider a tour. However I will not prebook. Many of these tours are capacity oriented, in other words if they're not enough people they tend to cancel without warning. If you think Marriott is better I can book that also.

What did you mean by silver / golden bird?

I have seen enough volcanoes all over the world including Indonesia. Mt. Merapi is not on my list to see. I just want to see Borobudur and Prambanan temple. Not particularly interested in sunrise tour having done it in Angkor what with a very pretty Cambodia girl. Nothing special about sunrise and I hate getting up early.[/QUOTE]The Sheraton Mustika is a huge resort, but it's rather, uh, run down a little. Let's just call it rustic. The Marriott connected to the mall is modern. The mall is modern. So to give you perspective, when it was lunch or dinner time, I had to bluebird to the mall to eat at a reasonably nice restaurant.

Sheraton has breakfast buffet that's pretty good. Not sure the lounge is actually open. When I went there 3 months ago, the lounge looked like it was permanently closed (thank Marriott International for that good gesture move) as the room was completely devoid of furniture and the lounge looked like a half empty store room. But they made up for it by comping breakfast for two at the restaurant. I got a couple of massages at the Sheraton Spa and when I tried to stroke the young masseuse's ass, she put my hand back next to my side. There's no hanky panky at that spa. The closest action is in the middle of Yogyakarta and it's a good 10 to 15 minutes away from the Sheraton. (the Marriott is closer to the action).

Blue Bird is the regular taxi.

Silver Bird is the black upgraded premium version of a "taxi". In USA It's called Uber Black.

Golden Bird is the private driver version. Kind of like an uber regular. The set up is a flat day rate, so I think you should negotiate how much it costs with the hotel front desk before booking. I don't remember if there was a partial day rate. I just booked for the entire day, because I never seen a volcano up close before (it actually wasn't even that close, the hot zone was probably half a mile away).

Sunrise tour pickup is at 3 AM, so not sure if it's hate getting up early or just not getting to sleep at all the night before.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2780733]The Sheraton Mustika is a huge resort, but it's rather, uh, run down a little. Let's just call it rustic. The Marriott connected to the mall is modern. The mall is modern. So to give you perspective, when it was lunch or dinner time, I had to bluebird to the mall to eat at a reasonably nice restaurant.

Sheraton has breakfast buffet that's pretty good. Not sure the lounge is actually open. When I went there 3 months ago, the lounge looked like it was permanently closed (thank Marriott International for that good gesture move) as the room was completely devoid of furniture and the lounge looked like a half empty store room. But they made up for it by comping breakfast for two at the restaurant. I got a couple of massages at the Sheraton Spa and when I tried to stroke the young masseuse's ass, she put my hand back next to my side. There's no hanky panky at that spa. The closest action is in the middle of Yogyakarta and it's a good 10 to 15 minutes away from the Sheraton. (the Marriott is closer to the action).

Blue Bird is the regular taxi.

Silver Bird is the black upgraded premium version of a "taxi". In USA It's called Uber Black.

Golden Bird is the private driver version. Kind of like an uber regular. The set up is a flat day rate, so I think you should negotiate how much it costs with the hotel front desk before booking. I don't remember if there was a partial day rate. I just booked for the entire day, because I never seen a volcano up close before (it actually wasn't even that close, the hot zone was probably half a mile away).
Sunrise tour pickup is at 3 AM, so not sure if it's hate getting up early or just not getting to sleep at all the night before.[/QUOTE]I was reading the latest news today about Borobudur. Since covid it is forbidden to climb the temple. Visitors are only allowed at the base. Now there is a plan to charge extra $100 to climb to the top of the monument. Not sure when that will happen. It is just $25 to enter which before covid people can go wherever they want. News is many areas are cordoned off for renovations. Sunrise tours are not there. If they are there they take you to a nearest high point to watch which really does not captivate the moment. Many visitors commented that tours are worthless. Even like you said Mt. Merapi is seen from faraway. There are volcanoes near Jakarta where they take you to the edge and brave workers haul sulphur blocks up the slope. In Costa Rica nice volcanoes. Japan Mt. Fuji trek is magnifisant although extremely cold.

As for the hotel I heard Marriott has been upgrading the hotel. Taxis or Uber to the town must be fairly cheap. For me a good breakfast and dinner should be good enough with some snacks in between. I would definitely talk to the desk clerk to arrange transportation. Also get massage. On the way back I am going to Philippines and have arranged girls in Manila and cebu. So if I do not find the right girl will enjoy solo trip to Yogyakarta. Will definitely have some fun in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2781011]I was reading the latest news today about Borobudur. Since covid it is forbidden to climb the temple. Visitors are only allowed at the base. Now there is a plan to charge extra $100 to climb to the top of the monument. Not sure when that will happen. It is just $25 to enter which before covid people can go wherever they want. News is many areas are cordoned off for renovations. Sunrise tours are not there. If they are there they take you to a nearest high point to watch which really does not captivate the moment. Many visitors commented that tours are worthless. Even like you said Mt. Merapi is seen from faraway. There are volcanoes near Jakarta where they take you to the edge and brave workers haul sulphur blocks up the slope. In Costa Rica nice volcanoes. Japan Mt. Fuji trek is magnifisant although extremely cold.

As for the hotel I heard Marriott has been upgrading the hotel. Taxis or Uber to the town must be fairly cheap. For me a good breakfast and dinner should be good enough with some snacks in between. I would definitely talk to the desk clerk to arrange transportation. Also get massage. On the way back I am going to Philippines and have arranged girls in Manila and cebu. So if I do not find the right girl will enjoy solo trip to Yogyakarta. Will definitely have some fun in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]The other sights and temples are still open as normal? Prambanan, water palace etc. For hotel, Sheraton Mustika is nice with good views, but out of town. I'd stay somewhere closer to Sarkem. (Pasar Kembang, close to Malioboro and train station, a lokalisasi with plenty of girls, ST only about 300 k. Tourist price). Melia Purosani has Sarkem in walking distance (about a 1 km) and it has nice Balinese style gardens where you can sit at the pool with satays and beer Bintang.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2781557]The other sights and temples are still open as normal? Prambanan, water palace etc. For hotel, Sheraton Mustika is nice with good views, but out of town. I'd stay somewhere closer to Sarkem. (Pasar Kembang, close to Malioboro and train station, a lokalisasi with plenty of girls, ST only about 300 k. Tourist price). Melia Purosani has Sarkem in walking distance (about a 1 km) and it has nice Balinese style gardens where you can sit at the pool with satays and beer Bintang.[/QUOTE]If I am going alone I will certainly test Sarkem area. Staying I will stay at Sheraton mustika. It should not be bad taking a taxi there. I will ask bellboys etc if there are options. I am communicating with couple of girls in Jakarta to see if they will come with me. They said they are working. Normal girls in Jakarta are not as money hungry as other places it seems.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2781687]If I am going alone I will certainly test Sarkem area. Staying I will stay at Sheraton mustika. It should not be bad taking a taxi there. I will ask bellboys etc if there are options. I am communicating with couple of girls in Jakarta to see if they will come with me. They said they are working. Normal girls in Jakarta are not as money hungry as other places it seems.[/QUOTE]Prambanan is open. The temples themselves are smaller than Boro so I'm not even sure you can "enter" them. But you can walk into the grand grounds where all of the temples are for Prambanan. Turn on "panorama" mode on your phone because the site is so big, you can't capture the landscape in any regular manner. It's really pretty amazing and a nice trip, though very warm.

Finding a bluebird or a grab at Sheraton is easy. You just need to wait about 7 to 10 minutes for them to get there. Use the app to call either bluebird or grab ahead of time before you get to the lobby from your room.

If you bring an Indonesian girl to these sites, they can buy the tickets to get in MUCH cheaper than a foreigner can. Their KTP gets access to the extremely discounted Indonesian citizen rate. If your date buys two tickets, they won't check for your KTP at the ticket punching gate if you behave correctly. (Don't act like a tourist!

Gentlemen, perhaps we could take this fascinating discussion to either the "General Information" or "Other Areas" threads, where it more properly belongs.

Not much discussion about Hermess spa, Sumo, MTR2 ,D’'Heaven, Blitz and My [URL]Place.Com[/URL]ing to Jakarta In February second week after covid break. So curious about the eastern side not properly explored [URL]early.Info[/URL]rmations will highly be appreciated.

I know the sex outside of marriage law has been passed, but not implemented. I'm wondering if there is any news on when it might be implemented. I have a trip planned in April, and definitely don't want to risk spending a year in prison for a night at Classic. I know someone has to file a complaint about it, but it would be unnerving not knowing for sure.

My good friend, Juliana, is looking for a "date". Has had some job issues and needs the extra cash. Excellent in bed with me.

Please PM me. I had issues in the past with recommendations so only Senior members with a good track record will be answered.

SEA Traveler.

Checked out the railway track scene night. For context, I'm a Westerner, long term Jakarta resident, first time slumdog.

I decided to arrive at 6 pm, allowing for some fading daylight and negating the risk of being caught in a raid.

It was certainly a unique cultural experience.

It was relatively quiet around this time, yet still plenty on offer. The dark alley runs for about 300 m and is fully enclosed. The stretches of dim purple lighting gave it somewhat of a theme parked haunted house feeling. It was quite good fun.

Chatting with the ladies, I gathered some more intel. Official start time for the ladies and cafes is 8 pm. Although they were able to scrounge around and find me a beer at 6 pm. 8 pm is also when the music kicks off. So if you also enjoy some peace and quiet, arrive before 8 pm.

The police raid which occurred recently was only to catch women without a KTP. Police now don't enter the alley and are paid off outside. Room time is 30 min, although you probably wouldn't want much longer than that given the state of the rooms. Apparently the women only see 4 to 5 Westerners per week. Although lots more from Taiwan, Singapore etc.

Regarding safety, I never felt in any danger. Like any place, being respectful to all and not obnoxiously drunk certainly helps. As does speaking Indonesian.

I would like to go back again around 11 pm to assess the scene from a different time of night.

It's not a place at which I'd regularly frequent but a unique option to take a friend who has already experienced the seedier sides of Asia and is wanting to drop a couple of rungs lower.

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2782183]I know the sex outside of marriage law has been passed, but not implemented. I'm wondering if there is any news on when it might be implemented. I have a trip planned in April, and definitely don't want to risk spending a year in prison for a night at Classic. I know someone has to file a complaint about it, but it would be unnerving not knowing for sure.[/QUOTE]This may at some stage in the future become a standard RTTF question along with are Jakarta hotels girl friendly and are bluebird taxi's blue? OS would counsel to do your own research. The proposed new law has been discussed ad nauseum here and not so long ago.

In Indonesia you can end up in jail for any number of reasons. What you should keep in mind is that in Indonesia law enforcement is primarily a business. The public service component is some way down the list of priorities for many and so you may find yourself in trouble for crossing the street if your stars are unlucky. Your risk of being banged up for this kind of thing will increase around mealtimes.

OS would suggest to embrace the risk, cross the street, fart loudly in reception, enjoy yourself, be polite and be confident and follow the cues of the other 30 million people around you. If you were desirous of a less risk free approach, Cross the road only at afternoon tea time while your adversaries are sleeping.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2781956]Not much discussion about Hermess spa, Sumo, MTR2 ,D'Heaven, Blitz and My [URL]Place.Com[/URL]ing to Jakarta In February second week after covid break. So curious about the eastern side not properly explored [URL]early.Info[/URL]rmations will highly be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I already reviewed Blitz in Kelapa Gading. Not recommended. Lots of way better places to go for similar price.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2778236]Awww thanks. Good to know. The place looked so dodgy. I wasn t sure if they were going to rob me or anything though. Not sure if it was the train track place as well.[/QUOTE]
Those who are still interested in finding the holy Grail Train Track.

Just Google it "Gang Royal Rawa Bebek Penjaringan" there are a lot of information about it. You could also search on You tube there are reasonable number of video clips about this RLD.
This is one example from YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l24bmfsKXI
The government have been trying to close this place multiple times but it still exist for obvious reason. Just closing RLD will not solve the problem.
As other people say, it is not suggestible for those who come to Jakarta for the first time. But this place is cheap and relatively good looking young girls, You might get short term for 120 k rupiahs or even less. If you ask taxi motor bike, Gojek Or Grab around that areas, most of them know exactly where this place is. Just be aware the area around Penjaringan is not considered safe.

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2782276]

It's not a place at which I'd regularly frequent but a unique option to take a friend who has already experienced the seedier sides of Asia and is wanting to drop a couple of rungs lower.[/QUOTE]
I second with this option. People will need to try themselves and make their own choice, judgement.
Otherwise the scene will be dominated by agents (scammers) creating multiple account in social networking, Twitter, Instagram. Keep in mind if you book though agents, half of your money or evne more could be in the agent pockets.

Came back to classic after 5 years. At about 8 pm. Tons of girls, not many guys which made the ratio fantastic. There are still gems to be found here and I was pleasantly surprised not knowing what to expect after Covid. The price has gone up now to 375 with a 40 K minimum spend. Went with 2 spinners separately after making sure they hadn't had babies of course service was great I was just lucky. BBBJ and the works. Will add more to my report later in the week.

Has anybody taken girls out of classic, travel, kota for LT or overnights?

I've booked out of classic before. The amount of vouchers you have to pay will vary based on your negotiation skills, the time of day you book her out, the mamasan and the overall popularity of the lady.

If you want to take her out early in the evening expect to pay at least 6-8 vouchers. So 6 to 8 * 375. If after, say 10-11 pm, it should be about 5 vouchers. 5*375.

I would highly recommend you only book out ladies you know, have already fucked and have somewhat of a rapport with and are known good providers. The lady I booked was relatively new to the scene and seemed to really enjoy sex. And I had already fucked her on site in the room twice. I asked her if she was available to book out with me and she enthusiastically said yes. I made it clear before I booked her out I would be fucking her at least 5 times that evening. And if she was ok with that. And she delivered! At those prices, it's the only thing that makes sense. Unless, I guess, you just want a lady to go to dinner with and take on a date.

So yeah. It's an available option. But really only one I utilize with known good providers that I already know and have agreed to fuck multiple times on a booking. She will be messaging her handler back at the mes a few times and she will leave in the morning around 8 or 9 am. So don't expect her to sleep in with you.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2784326]Has anybody taken girls out of classic, travel, kota for LT or overnights?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2784453]I've booked out of classic before. The amount of vouchers you have to pay will vary based on your negotiation skills, the time of day you book her out, the mamasan and the overall popularity of the lady.

If you want to take her out early in the evening expect to pay at least 6-8 vouchers. So 6 to 8 * 375. If after, say 10-11 pm, it should be about 5 vouchers. 5*375.

I would highly recommend you only book out ladies you know, have already fucked and have somewhat of a rapport with and are known good providers. The lady I booked was relatively new to the scene and seemed to really enjoy sex. And I had already fucked her on site in the room twice. I asked her if she was available to book out with me and she enthusiastically said yes. I made it clear before I booked her out I would be fucking her at least 5 times that evening. And if she was ok with that. And she delivered! At those prices, it's the only thing that makes sense. Unless, I guess, you just want a lady to go to dinner with and take on a date.

So yeah. It's an available option. But really only one I utilize with known good providers that I already know and have agreed to fuck multiple times on a booking. She will be messaging her handler back at the mes a few times and she will leave in the morning around 8 or 9 am. So don't expect her to sleep in with you.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree for overnight booking in your hotel, it is a good idea if you already know the girls otherwise you might get your valuable stolen and it is difficult to prove it. Unless you have safe box in your hotel.

Having sex 5 x from 11 pm to 8 am will be possible if both of you do not sleep that night. Is this the case??

Also for this 10-11 pm, 5*375 vouchers did you pay all in advance, before you took the girl out or just half it ? And half of it were paid in the following morning ?

Hi All,

Anyone know whether Kartika is still up and run? All my visit there pre-covid was fantasy. Miss this place so much.

Any soapy massage similar? I remember 2 girls soapy in Kartika only around IDR700 k. Please let me know if any similar place exist as will be traveling to Jakarta end of this month. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2780330]The girls at the Classics and KI's are younger and prettier, but they usually can't go with you to any travel adventure. Many times, they work this line because they owe a money debt to Ibu and their organization hangs on to their KTP so they can't leave town. Also, they usually work every day. This is why the freelancers at BATS or Tinder would be a better bet. More expensive and 5 years older. Usually with kid (funny I haven't had a Tinder date that was with a freelancer without kids yet).[/QUOTE]There s a bird I like I'd like to take her out but she wants to do all via the club. It's annoying because last time I wanted to take her out after midnight they still asked me for 2 M. They may ask for more if I want her earlier.

She also say she works 7 days a week so don't have any free time.

But she never mentioned debt and said she love her job. Doesn t make any sense. Why work so hard and love the job.

[QUOTE=Tedne88;2785251]Hi All,

Anyone know whether Kartika is still up and run? All my visits there pre-covid was fantasy. Miss this place so much.

Any soapy massage similar? I remember 2 girls soapy in Kartika only around IDR700 k. Please let me know if any similar place exists as I will be traveling to Jakarta end of this month. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've probably posted about Kartika more than anyone else here on ISG ever since my first visit in August 2004. Still my all-time favorite spa in Jakarta, definitely miss it as well.

I last visited Kartika (twice) in 2018, and as best I can determine, it's now closed down and Berlian Spa (which used to be 3 doors up the same alley) has moved into the same physical space. Berlian should be able to provide a soapy nuru massage similar to Kartika, some of the girls did so back in 2004-08 when I lived in Jakarta. Other possibilities for nuru are Malioboro, or Sumo Shiatsu in Kelapa Gading (if it's still open), I'm sure there are other places as well.

One quirky story that I may have already told. In February 2005 I had a great two-girl session at Kartika with Cynthia (Sintia) and Sonia, notable because Sonia was one of the few Chinese girls working at any of the MPs in that neighborhood. She was taller than the other girls, had distinctive red hair, was 30 years old, and was one of the few girls at Kartika who spoke good English. I had several other sessions with Sonia through 2008 although by then her service level and enthusiasm had dropped off.

I visited Kartika in March 2018, my first visit in 9 years, walked in the door and there was Sonia, still working, who greeted me by my name. I was flattered that she remembered my name but then it dawned on me that she had to have been in her early 40's at that point. No, I did not choose her, I selected a 25-year-old Javanese girl named Ririn (great oral skills) and a 19-or-21 year old named Veronica (great tits) for a 2-girl session, then came back for a solo session with Ririn.

Does anyone else have more up-to-date info on Kartika?

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2786480]I've probably posted about Kartika more than anyone else here on ISG ever since my first visit in August 2004....

Does anyone else have more up-to-date info on Kartika?[/QUOTE]I was there a year later in 2019 and it was well past it's prime by then. A very limited choice of pretty rough ladies. Only enough to fill one couch to the left of the entry. It still saw the odd foreigner but only nostalgic old-timers.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2378719]After walking around town for a few days, I was in need of a massage so decided to combine one with our favourite hobby. A soapy at Kartika was deemed to be well in order....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2786480]I've probably posted about Kartika more than anyone else here on ISG ever since my first visit in August 2004. Still my all-time favorite spa in Jakarta, definitely miss it as well.

I last visited Kartika (twice) in 2018, and as best I can determine, it's now closed down and Berlian Spa (which used to be 3 doors up the same alley) has moved into the same physical space. Berlian should be able to provide a soapy nuru massage similar to Kartika, some of the girls did so back in 2004-08 when I lived in Jakarta. Other possibilities for nuru are Malioboro, or Sumo Shiatsu in Kelapa Gading (if it's still open), I'm sure there are other places as well.

One quirky story that I may have already told. In February 2005 I had a great two-girl session at Kartika with Cynthia (Sintia) and Sonia, notable because Sonia was one of the few Chinese girls working at any of the MPs in that neighborhood. She was taller than the other girls, had distinctive red hair, was 30 years old, and was one of the few girls at Kartika who spoke good English. I had several other sessions with Sonia through 2008 although by then her service level and enthusiasm had dropped off.

I visited Kartika in March 2018, my first visit in 9 years, walked in the door and there was Sonia, still working, who greeted me by my name. I was flattered that she remembered my name but then it dawned on me that she had to have been in her early 40's at that point. No, I did not choose her, I selected a 25-year-old Javanese girl named Ririn (great oral skills) and a 19-or-21 year old named Veronica (great tits) for a 2-girl session, then came back for a solo session with Ririn.

Does anyone else have more up-to-date info on Kartika?[/QUOTE]Hi, Thanks for the information. Really miss this old running down place, but I have very very good nuru experience here especially with 2 ladies, even thought they try to ripped me off by giving additional 500 K to each of them. Anyway, Nuru at Malio? Care to give me more information? Which floor of Malio? I only know they provide normal service girl, standard rate like 1 M for local and 2 M for Vietnamese etc. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Tedne88;2787547]Hi, Thanks for the information. Really miss this old running down place, but I have very very good nuru experience here especially with 2 ladies, even thought they try to ripped me off by giving additional 500 K to each of them. Anyway, Nuru at Malio? Care to give me more information? Which floor of Malio? I only know they provide normal service girl, standard rate like 1 M for local and 2 M for Vietnamese etc. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]I yet to see a good soapy / nuru kind of massage in Jakarta. I tried every single search result and forums but no luck (post 2018 BTW).

Closest you can get it is in bali flame. The quality had been degraded to a degree I wouldn't go again. But during 2019 it was lovely.

1001 Spa is closed after covid. Any alternative to 1001 Spa? Do the Kelapa Gading spas can be considered so, with an entry fee, big pool, nice girls, drinks and food?

I am planning my next trip. I had some good times in both Malang and Medan social networking. Jakarta I usually rely on classic / travel. Bali is usually a hit or miss.

Does anyone know any direct flights from Malang to Bali? I had a bad experience last time with a flight rescheduled. I had to change my plans to the next day's flight from Surabaya.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2789371]
Does anyone know any direct flights from Malang to Bali? I had a bad experience last time with a flight rescheduled. I had to change my plans to the next day's flight from Surabaya.[/QUOTE]
I am not aware of any direct flight from Malang to Bali. I think because it does not make any economic sense. You will still need to travel to Abdul Rahman Saleh Airport in Malang. Let alone how many people will board at Abdul Rahman Saleh Aiport to Bali ? It makes more sense to pool it in Surabaya or flight from Malang to Jakarta, due to the distance that is most of airlines are doing.
There are quite a few travel agent organising seven sits van direct to Juanda Airport daily. It is a profitable route for them.
Alternatively Train (not direct), you will need to change at Sidoarjo. Or train to Surabaya + taxi to airport.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2789371]I am planning my next trip. I had some good times in both Malang and Medan social networking. Jakarta I usually rely on classic / travel. Bali is usually a hit or miss.

Does anyone know any direct flights from Malang to Bali? I had a bad experience last time with a flight rescheduled. I had to change my plans to the next day's flight from Surabaya.[/QUOTE]Where is Travel?

This is my second day in Jakarta. Staying in Holiday inn Gajamadha. Hotel is good but its in the middle of traffic. (BB warned me it early).

VOA was very smooth so travel to Jakarta is relaxed except the high airfare.

Went to King cross in the evening at 7. First sit in the ground floor pool area. 10 plus girls sitting there with a mamasan. I told her that I want what is happening in the top floor. She told me its rooms and dark katoke area. I took a girl for 600 K and went to the second floor. In the lift I noticed about the lounge in third floor. Session with her was a time bound even though the girl was good.

After that I went to the lounge, friends that is the place have to go. Lots of girls, good food seminude dance of girls and a live band. Not much smoking was seen there. So comfortable. You can watch and select girls. More of locals so no pushing from mamasan.

After Kingcross, I went to BATS. First time I am going. Awesome bar. Vibe of the music and band was excellent. Everything felt very close to me. The band, singers, girls and even bartenders.

200 k for entry with one drink.

Will visit again.

Came back to room at 2. 30.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2790559]Where is Travel?[/QUOTE]It's not far from Classic at 21 Mangga Besar VIII which runs perpendicular to Mangga Besar. Maybe a 5 minute 3 USD BLUEBIRD taxi ride.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2789401]I am not aware of any direct flight from Malang to Bali. I think because it does not make any economic sense. You will still need to travel to Abdul Rahman Saleh Airport in Malang. Let alone how many people will board at Abdul Rahman Saleh Aiport to Bali ? It makes more sense to pool it in Surabaya or flight from Malang to Jakarta, due to the distance that is most of airlines are doing.
There are quite a few travel agent organising seven sits van direct to Juanda Airport daily. It is a profitable route for them.
Alternatively Train (not direct), you will need to change at Sidoarjo. Or train to Surabaya + taxi to airport.[/QUOTE]There were a few a week pre-pandemic, but since that time a lot of routes have been consolidated or cut. It's a major pain in the ass for those of us working here, especially east of Java. For example, I used to be able to get from Papua to Manado with a brief stopover in Sorong, albeit on Sriwajaya, in a morning, but now the same trip involves a stop in Makassar, which depending on the airline means the trip takes the best part of the day. Anyhoos, Malang to Surabaya is only 2 hours if you time it right and there are over a dozen flights a day from there to Bali.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2790604]It's not far from Classic at 21 Mangga Besar VIII which runs perpendicular to Mangga Besar. Maybe a 5 minute 3 USD BLUEBIRD taxi ride.[/QUOTE]Thankyou.

How can I book Bluebird? They would be an app?

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2791143]Thankyou.

How can I book Bluebird? They would be an app?[/QUOTE]Its a cab company. No app as far as I know.

Easier to just download Grab or Gojek.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2790604]It's not far from Classic at 21 Mangga Besar VIII which runs perpendicular to Mangga Besar. Maybe a 5 minute 3 USD BLUEBIRD taxi ride.[/QUOTE]What colour are the bluebirds.

Silverbird is actually more exclusive than goldenbird, go figure.

Grab apps can be used with foreign phone number, Gojek can't. I use Grab with cash-option, thus no credit card numbers stored in the apps.

Visited Jetski Cafe in the sea side for food in the evening with a friend. Used Grab app and grab taxi for traveling. If we are in a crowded place to catch a grab taxi through app, should know Bahasa at least a little or use translated texts and convey location. When I took Blue bird, I followed the meter and taxi from side road. Inside the car used google translator. Evening went to CJs bar. Went little late past 10 in the night, even then the traffic was hectic. Even though I visited CJs early, it's a good club to listen music and sit in bar stool in the side area to talk with a lady for some time. Nice place to pick a girl and enjoy the night. If one is prepared to spent 2 to 3 Juta can get a good girl with good time in CJs. I had a friend with me so restricted to speak only with ladies around. Better go alone. Think so.

Next day visited to South Jakarta, Grand Indonesian mall and Eastern Promise. EP is a good place. Typical British pub style. They have continental and Indian food. Different areas in EP which can hold any type of crowd. Good place for picking up girls too. Next time go alone. South Jakarta is clean greenery place with good roads. Next time my target of stay will be in South Jakarta. Saw a Fortune spa on my way back. Not much review here.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2791272]What colour are the bluebirds.[/QUOTE]Funny Guy.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2791230]Its a cab company. No app as far as I know.

Easier to just download Grab or Gojek.[/QUOTE]

There's a Bluebird app but I found it didn't work effectively a lot of the time. Yes if you are going to use an app use Grab. The advantage of Bluebird is that they are right on location if it's a spot that supports them. You can be waiting a long time for a Grab if you're in Kelapa Gading or even Kota Indah late at night.

Beware when booking girls off twitter or Michat of the deposit scam. Some enterprising locals have worked up a tidy little model.

Firstly the lady is generally always young, pretty and amenable to all your perverted desires, IE It follows a general scam principle of "If it sounds too good to be true it probably is".

OS just yesterday organised a lovely young lady along these lines in the Eastern Java town of Blitar. To attend his hotel for the purpose of satisfying OS's Lusty desires. The negotiations take place on whatsapp and the lady agrees to come. 20 minutes tops.

Next thing the representative of her establishment is on the phone requesting OS pay a refundable security deposit to their bank account of which OS declines to pay. Making it clear that the deal was always cash in room. They remain insistent and upon realisation by OS that they are not going to shift on this. OS cancels the booking. Both with the lady who is by this time also urging OS to settle the deposit and the representative.

Next thing a new number starts ringing of which OS declines to answer and then this charming gentleman introduces himself by way of message as the local police commander complete with picture of himself in uniform looking stern. The gentleman explains because OS cancelled the booking that he is obliged to transfer the value of the booking anyway and threatens to attend OS's hotel.

OS suggests he may wish to telephone Jakarta headquarters and ask a certain high ranking policeman there if he has a friend called Mr_. _. _. _. _. Which seems to get this gentleman rather agitated and he proceeds to inform OS that his subordinate is on the way to the OS hotel and will arrive soon. OS then sends a photo of a policeman he knows quite well with a few stars on his shoulders which gets a curt reply that he also has stars and then a photo of general number II arrives. This game is called "who has the better patronage".

In this instance OS wins the game for the subordinate never arrives.

In retrospect OS is probably 65/35 certain that this was probably all just a scam by some people somewhere, although there was evidence that some of the material had originated in Blitar. The whole thing can be a little disconcerting but OS has previously had similar demands from unknown actors when refusing to pay DP so was prepared.

OS couldn't help but mock our police friend the next morning suggesting he might just be the janitor instead and not to get scared if somebody from Jakarta called. To which he threatened that OS would soon be going viral. OS then elaborated on his vision of husbands from all over Indonesia contacting OS for the purposes of servicing their wives with his big thing and suggested to the commander that OS would be available to service his wife too, if he so wished.

So as a handy hack for some of you more adventurous types out there who are coming to Indonesia. Get yourself an online photo of some high ranking police general and then photo shop yourself into the pic standing there like you are the best of bro's. You never know. It may just come in handy to have in your phone.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2789371]Does anyone know any direct flights from Malang to Bali? I had a bad experience last time with a flight rescheduled. I had to change my plans to the next day's flight from Surabaya.[/QUOTE]Malang airport is small and only has flights to Jakarta. Either go to Bali overland plus a short ferry or take a flight from Surabaya.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2779863]Another punt in Classic. Fairly average punt. I think the maid this time recognized me as the dude who doesn't tip.

I think they decided to ring around 35-40 min in for the time up reminder. I know I have 1 h but I suppose they'll get stricter because I didn't tip the maids.

Also at the end of the session I gave 100 k to the girl I punted and she asked for 100 k more. The previous one had a disappointed face as well.

I told her I need the cash for my next punt. And she let it be. Very awkward moment made me wonder if 200 is standard tip? I really hope no. 100 k is good enough on top of the initial fee? (365 k + mandatory drink (50 k for orange juice).

At Sammon simplest for you is just to go to classic hotel. You'll be able to pick around 50-70 girls between the 2 clubs.[/QUOTE]

That's Classic and Travel for you. Service and attitudes are just shitty like that.

There's no standard tip. One time (before Covid) I tipped 50 k, the girl was disappointed and wanted 100 k. If you give 100 k, she'll want 200 k. Another time I gave zero, she whined just the same, not more. Get the picture? They get a ton of customers, I really doubt they remember you and keep detailed track of your tipping habits. The early ring is arbitrary. Maybe it's standard. Maybe the mamasan needed her girl back in action.

The only reason to go to these places is to be able to choose among a large number of decent looking girls and fuck one for $25, in a place that is not horribly dirty and slummy (like Kota Indah or worse). It's clearly mafia run, mamasans are pushy and obnoxious, the venue is smoky and dark, in the room girl attitudes are bland at best and service is as minimal and unenthusiastic as they can get away with. She's in debt, not free to leave, and you're her #10 for the day, get over it. I went with 7-8 or so Travel / Classic girls, not a single one was memorable. If you enjoy it, great, if not, just don't go.

Going to Jakarta May 28-30.

Here are the plans, will report afterwards:

Vantasy Spa (Meizu):

Rates From WA -.

Pure Japanese Sensual 350 K /400 K plus 100 K Min Tip.

Next Level 2 Therapist - 500/600 K plus 100 K / Therapist Tip.

Info Detail On Location - 400/500 plus 100 K Min Tip.

Not sure what each includes so will make sure to report.

Might Try out classic, hotel is close to that.

Also looking at going down to the train tracks if any fellows would like to join. Safety in numbers. Have done extensive research on the tracks from forum and other sources.

I am planning during June / July, good list you got there. Which hotel do you plan to stay? I had Grand Mercure Harmoni in mind to stay as its just 15 minutes walk from Classic and Malio.

You got a good list there, any reason Malio not in your list, and Classic (might try) and mostly focused on Spa's?

[QUOTE=SwimmingFish22;2793331]Going to Jakarta May 28-30.

Here are the plans, will report afterwards:

Vantasy Spa (Meizu):

Rates From WA -.

Pure Japanese Sensual 350 K /400 K plus 100 K Min Tip.

Next Level 2 Therapist - 500/600 K plus 100 K / Therapist Tip.

Info Detail On Location - 400/500 plus 100 K Min Tip.

Not sure what each includes so will make sure to report.

Might Try out classic, hotel is close to that..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendappu;2794091]I am planning during June / July, good list you got there. Which hotel do you plan to stay? I had Grand Mercure Harmoni in mind to stay as its just 15 minutes walk from Classic and Malio.

You got a good list there, any reason Malio not in your list, and Classic (might try) and mostly focused on Spa's?[/QUOTE]I'm at the yuan garden so right down the road from classic. Haven't looked too much at Malio but prefer the spa. Only have 2 days tho and still want to do normal tourist stuff. Plan on hitting vantasy one night and the tracks the other, classic if tracks don't pan out.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2790696]There were a few a week pre-pandemic, but since that time a lot of routes have been consolidated or cut. It's a major pain in the ass for those of us working here, especially east of Java. For example, I used to be able to get from Papua to Manado with a brief stopover in Sorong, albeit on Sriwajaya, in a morning, but now the same trip involves a stop in Makassar, which depending on the airline means the trip takes the best part of the day. Anyhoos, Malang to Surabaya is only 2 hours if you time it right and there are over a dozen flights a day from there to Bali.[/QUOTE]You are right. I am sure I had a ticket atleast from Malang. The flight had got canceleed and I had to go to surabaya next day to bali. But this trip I am only visiting medan, Jakarta then bali and home.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2790559]Where is Travel?[/QUOTE]Look for redstar hotel in maps. If you walk you can locate travel. It is opposite but a few buildings towards the main road.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2794288]Look for redstar hotel in maps. If you walk you can locate travel. It is opposite but a few buildings towards the main road.[/QUOTE]Thank for the information! I will check it.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2794342]Thank for the information! I will check it.[/QUOTE]Hotel Travel is located at Jln. Mangga Besar VIII 21, Jakarta 11150 Indonesia.

See also [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g294229-d3931453-Reviews-Hotel_Travel-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL].

From reading the forum and elsewhere about Ramadan (March 22 to April 21), it seems like many massage places will close (I've heard roughly 35%) but most will still be open, especially those located in hotels. But those that are open will probably have fewer girls working, so less choice. Demand might be down a little, but perhaps not down as much as the supply. So, overall, it's not the ideal time to be there, but the trip might not be a disaster. Is that about right?

I'm not sure whether it will be more difficult to work tinder, etc. During Ramadan.

Bali is generally far worse for mongering, but I wonder if is "less worse" during Ramadan, as fewer of the girls there are Muslim. But that logic might not apply if most of the working girls in Bali aren't from Bali.

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2794705]Is that about right?[/QUOTE]You're pretty close to the mark.

A few pro tips:

There is a mass migration back home for Ramadan and especially for the end of fasting, Idul Fitri. Also, it's expected for well to do city girls to arrive with gifts. It's not as bad a Chinese New Year but it involves a lot of people.

This all needs to be funded. Hence, economic activity, that we all enjoy, actually becomes more widespread in the period leading up to Ramadan. Expect working girls to be keen to attract customers and even girls that wouldn't normally be in the game to be open to offers of 'help'.

A work of caution that these also applies to police so exercise caution as efforts to raise fines rise.

As for other areas, yes those popular with domestic tourist become totally over run. Jogjakarta, for example, totally sucks at this time. You may find more groups of female workmates at Bali, but I wouldn't travel there just for the chance.

In summary, if it's you first time coming, I'd try to reschedule or at least arrive at the beginning. If you're locked into that period, then just make the most of it as it won't be a total wash. Enoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2794712]You're pretty close to the mark.

A few pro tips:

There is a mass migration back home for Ramadan and especially for the end of fasting, Idul Fitri. Also, it's expected for well to do city girls to arrive with gifts. It's not as bad a Chinese New Year but it involves a lot of people.

This all needs to be funded. Hence, economic activity, that we all enjoy, actually becomes more widespread in the period leading up to Ramadan. Expect working girls to be keen to attract customers and even girls that wouldn't normally be in the game to be open to offers of 'help'.

A work of caution that these also applies to police so exercise caution as efforts to raise fines rise.

As for other areas, yes those popular with domestic tourist become totally over run. Jogjakarta, for example, totally sucks at this time. You may find more groups of female workmates at Bali, but I wouldn't travel there just for the chance.

In summary, if it's you first time coming, I'd try to reschedule or at least arrive at the beginning. If you're locked into that period, then just make the most of it as it won't be a total wash. Enoy. G.[/QUOTE]I've landed in Jakarta during Ramadan just to find travel closed, ki closed, lots of places out right closed with a note on the door that says come back after Ramadan.

Then there's the two week celebration of idul firtri when the girls are back with their parents in the desa.

You can find action, but I can't help with any good advice. I know the young guy at the front desk of my two star hotel understood what I was looking for and hooked me up. I gave him 150 k idr for his trouble and he was eager to help me with another the next night. Unfortunately, it turned out to be the same young lady. Not bad, but I was looking for variety.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2776753]You don't need to search along the railway tracks of Jakarta to find this place.

You need to search this thread.

It has been written about for years.[/QUOTE]Yes, and one of the reports was by me. It is easy to find. That said, been there a week ago (nothing to report about) other than that police seem to do daily checks there. While the new "sex law" is not applied yet, I still wonder about the implications if they catch you while bringing a 18+ year old girl there.

Lots of cantik ceweks to choose from, 600 k for nuru. Which I thought was going to be shit as it started with a meh, massage, however getting to the nuru sensational part it was REALLY Good, her body was awesome and all in all worth the tip (400) I dropped. I don't think this effs p the market, girl was worth it. Nuru was worth it. It also included full sex with condom. BUT that was really just an added bonus. Saunsa, ,ice and hot pools, chatted shit with a local in there. Top draw, better in fact that similar in the UK.

Hi folks,

Traveling to Indonesia after quite some time. I read that they have a new law banning sex between unmarried couples. Is it being enforced and will I be harassed? I plan to check in with a local lady friend for a couple of nights in a 5 star in Jakarta.

Best,

RVT.

Thursday night & Classic was popping at 8 pm. Lots of talent on the 2nd floor. Paid the 350,000 rp & got a nice bird. Unfortunately, after our FS session finished, after some light DKF & a quick BBBJ, I noticed she kept picking at her lips. So I inspected them and saw little red dots on the inside of her lips. She claimed it was just dry chapped lips from dehydration. But it didn't look like it. Didn't really look like a cold sore either. Herpes? I have no idea. But now I'm freaking out of course.

Should've watched porn tonight instead.

This question has been repeated many times (myself included.).

The answer is elusive. But there are 2 theories. 1) The law doesn't implement for 4. 5 years anyway. 2) The family or boyfriend would have to report her and you.

Draconian law. YES! But I don't think it is going to be enforced right away assuming you and her and in Western friendly hotels.

* - I am not an expert. I did however go to Pattaya this year just in case.

[QUOTE=RipVanTinkle;2796256]Hi folks,

Traveling to Indonesia after quite some time. I read that they have a new law banning sex between unmarried couples. Is it being enforced and will I be harassed? I plan to check in with a local lady friend for a couple of nights in a 5 star in Jakarta.

Best,

RVT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RipVanTinkle;2796256]Hi folks,

Traveling to Indonesia after quite some time. I read that they have a new law banning sex between unmarried couples. Is it being enforced and will I be harassed? I plan to check in with a local lady friend for a couple of nights in a 5 star in Jakarta..[/QUOTE]No worries mate.

I've done this recently both in Jakarta and Bali, no issues with hotel, anywhere between 4-5 star ones.

In Bali resort they even ask if I have a friend during check in, since this is inclusive one (with bfast and club access) I had to say yes, and they ask for my lady friend's ID, no issue.

Also I wouldn't worry if you go to big spa, karaoke etc either. The police get's their cut from establishment.

For what's it worth, the new law basically will be enforced if your lady friend's husbands, BF, relatives etc report your involvement to the police; maybe good idea to date single women only.

I used to enjoy visiting the bars in Blok M on Jl. Falatehan some 10-20 years ago. Hearing that it was now a shadow of its former self, I thought I'd check it out this past weekend anyway. Indeed, it's a pretty sad state of affairs. The old D's Place and My Bar next door were the only bars open. There were about 8 old dudes in D's Place. There was no music, but when a friend I came in and ordered a beer, the music started and four dancing girls came out. It was very far from its former glory.

Any suggestions for bars that best resemble those from the old Blok M days? Even if there's not a plethora of working girls, just something a little sleazy, a place with some freelancers and the opportunity for a beer and chat with the option of taking some company home. I'm kinda feeling done with KI, Classic, railway tracks etc. It just seems there's so few alternatives nowadays. Eastern Promise is okay, but would prefer something where I'm less likely to bump into work colleagues.

Any suggestions much appreciated.

I read about 12 pages back, and see a few mentions of BBFS and some contradictory impressions. Seems like BBBJ is pretty common but BBFS less so but can be obtained for a tip. Anyone in Jakarta have an opinion?

Landed and got to four seasons Sheraton, Tamrin. Very nice hotel. Excellent rooms. Reached early in the morning. Had a flight to catch later to Yogyakarta. All the clubs are closed. So nothing to report for that day. Rest to follow.

Landed and got to four seasons Sheraton, Tamrin. Very nice hotel. Excellent rooms. Reached early in the morning. Had a flight to catch later to Yogyakarta. All the clubs are closed. So nothing to report for that day. Rest to follow.

After Yogyakarta came back to Jakarta. Called a massage service which I found online. They send a lady in her thirties. Fee for massage is $20 for 90 minutes. Lady asked me if I want extras. I was in no mood for negotiation with an ugly over the hill lady.

Later visited one of the clubs nearby. There were lots of young people but no obvious hookers. Once again hard to know who is who. Did not want to go anywhere else mainly because coming back to pussy haven otherwise known as Philippines.

Generally I am not interested in brothel type set up. So although there are lots of info on this forum I did not venture.

On the dating sites all I found are fat and in their thirties women. I did find one 23 year old. She said her parents are very strict. She is only looking to marry ASAP. In the beginning she showed lots of interest to stay with me and even going to Yogyakarta. She wanted to concoct a story for her parents. She wanted only $20 per day and wanted me to use a condom. But fizzled out couple of days before trip.

Now I am in cebu and report will follow with pics.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2798296]After Yogyakarta came back to Jakarta. Called a massage service which I found online. They send a lady in her thirties. Fee for massage is $20 for 90 minutes. Lady asked me if I want extras. I was in no mood for negotiation with an ugly over the hill lady.

Later visited one of the clubs nearby. There were lots of young people but no obvious hookers. Once again hard to know who is who. Did not want to go anywhere else mainly because coming back to pussy haven otherwise known as Philippines.

Generally I am not interested in brothel type set up. So although there are lots of info on this forum I did not venture.

On the dating sites all I found are fat and in their thirties women. I did find one 23 year old. She said her parents are very strict. She is only looking to marry ASAP. In the beginning she showed lots of interest to stay with me and even going to Yogyakarta. She wanted to concoct a story for her parents. She wanted only $20 per day and wanted me to use a condom. But fizzled out couple of days before trip..[/QUOTE]What dating sites did you use?

[QUOTE=ArlenLove;2798599]What dating sites did you use?[/QUOTE]I have been talking to few girls on DIA. This young girl showed interest but backed out of Yogyakarta trip and also meeting saying her parents did not agree for her to stay overnight. Not very pretty when we video chat, slightly chubby.

Since I was visiting Philippines anyway I was not really looking for girls. If I found someone decent looking I would take to Yogyakarta. My main goal of going to Indonesia is seeing Borobudur which was on my bucket list for a long time. I am very happy to see. Definitely one of the wonders of the world although not as popular as Angkor what or the pyramids. But if one is fit should take a trip there. Climb to to the top is definitely not for out of shape persons. There is no shade or no place to sit and rest. Stand and listen to guide and walk, climb, marvel, take pictures in scorching sun. Every one of those lattice stupas has a statue of Buddha. Some were opened by Dutch.

For me it was a tourist trip mainly. I was definitely very tired to even think of sex and associated hard work.

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2796929]Any suggestions for bars that best resemble those from the old Blok M days? Even if there's not a plethora of working girls, just something a little sleazy, a place with some freelancers and the opportunity for a beer and chat with the option of taking some company home. [/QUOTE]I doubt there will be any good suggestions. You know this site don't you?

[URL]https://www.jakarta100bars.com/2016/08/best-nightclubs-to-meet-indonesian-girls.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2798738]I doubt there will be any good suggestions. You know this site don't you?

[URL]https://www.jakarta100bars.com/2016/08/best-nightclubs-to-meet-indonesian-girls.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks, yeah, I'm familiar with the website. Unfortunately, it hasn't really been updated to account for the changes in the nightlife scene post COVID.

The bars and clubs mentioned such as Dragonfly, Basque etc. Are a little too classy for my liking and best visited as a group. I tend to go out solo and am more drawn to seedier dive bars where it's less pretentious and hence, easier to meet people.

Sadly, these types of bars appear limited nowadays. Always open to any suggestions.

I visited the Aurum spa near Green Sedayu mall (West Jakarta). I couldn't find any reviews, so I went in blind. I wasn't even sure what kind of place it was, but google photos showed the same look of the other Jakarta spas I've been to, with many long couches. This is far outside of the tourist center, so it's not surprising that the staff spoke no English. Thank goodness for Google translate. The price was something like 250 k for massage, 300 k for HJ, 400 k for BJ, and 550 k for everything. That's all-in, plus whatever tip. The host was very friendly. They brought out about 10 girls, each one shaking my hand on the way in. They seemed happy and warm and the place generally had a good vibe. Lots of smiles. None of the girls were spinners, but they were pretty and, so far as I could tell, mostly in the 18-22 range. I wouldn't call the rooms luxurious, but they were more than adequate. Clean, in-room shower, decent-sized bed. The girl I chose was cute and had a surprisingly great attitude in bed. No massage took place, which was OK with me. We just got straight to it and it was great. I would repeat here if I were in the area. Probably not going to go out of my way, though, given all the other options in Jakarta.

Hello.

I got lucky because I left Jakarta (but was planning to come back). I got in touch with a girl from the train track.

She told me there was a police raid. Load of people arrested.

Apparently arrested people risk 15 years in prison. Probably this is for the pimp. Girls would suffer a different fate.

That's bad. I wonder what would happen to us, customers, if we get caught? I really don't want to go to prison 😭

[QUOTE=DjTan;2796710]No worries mate.

I've done this recently both in Jakarta and Bali, no issues with hotel, anywhere between 4-5 star ones.

In Bali resort they even ask if I have a friend during check in, since this is inclusive one (with bfast and club access) I had to say yes, and they ask for my lady friend's ID, no issue.

Also I wouldn't worry if you go to big spa, karaoke etc either. The police get's their cut from establishment.

For what's it worth, the new law basically will be enforced if your lady friend's husbands, BF, relatives etc report your involvement to the police; maybe good idea to date single women only.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the feedback from all of you. I decided to play it safe and get in some hours of private time in the room during the evenings. Instead of overnight stays.

I stayed at Wyndham Casablanca, which really is quite easy. Lots of guests and foreigners for them to not care about anybody. They don't even need key cards in the elevators.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2799417]Hello.

I got lucky because I left Jakarta (but was planning to come back). I got in touch with a girl from the train track.

She told me there was a police raid. Load of people arrested.

Apparently arrested people risk 15 years in prison. Probably this is for the pimp. Girls would suffer a different fate.

That's bad. I wonder what would happen to us, customers, if we get caught? I really don't want to go to prison 😭[/QUOTE]Sorry but this report is too vague.

Exactly where was this police raid? At the train tracks? Or nearby? And who was arrested. Working girls? The pimps? Male Indonesian customers? Foreigners? Were they arresting people for sexual activity, drugs, or something else?

Assuming no drugs are involved, the police are unlikely to arrest any foreigner (too much work); if they threaten it (assuming they even speak English), a small cash "donation" can help smooth things.

I didn't have much luck with Tinder this trip. There were a lot of messages passing back and forth, but not many conversations came to fruition. "too far" "2 M" (no thanks) or "I'm on my period" etc.

So I stopped by Classic on Sunday. They told me that floor 5 was closed (really? So I went to floor 2. A few of the mamasans tried to get me to take their girls. They were a bit pushy. I said I wanted slim and then they'the bring over a 55 kg girl, big-boned for an Asian and rounded. My aspirations are more in the range of 40 kg. So I started walking the circuit. There were about 50 girls total at 7 PM. They weren't especially attractive. I didn't feel like hopping around, so I choose the smallest I could find (about 50 kg), paid my 365 k and went to a room. She started off with an ok BBBJ for a minute or two, then wanted to get down to business. She had a positive attitude but wasn't exactly turning me on. She insisted on a condom. It seemed like the phone rang after only about 30 minutes and she said "sorry, time's up". Overall, it was disappointing. Low quality selection (but maybe I was just not there at the right time / day. Just before Ramadan) and mediocre service. It's also unpleasantly loud in there. I gave her a 100 k tip anyway, paid 28 k for my one water and left. Nobody else asked for a tip. It was fun to finally see the place, but maybe it's not for me.

The next night I checked out KI. I hadn't research enough to know which individual shops were the best, so I picked New Sari Ayu at random. It seemed much less organized here. All the girls were bunched in one dark corner, maybe 40 of them, and it was hard to check them out. I told the mamasan I wanted very thin and she immediately pointed out a 19 YO. She had some height on her and almost looked like a lady boy. But, yes, she was thin, so I accepted and paid my 400 k. She had a great attitude and was willing to play without a bag for a tip (unspecified). I gave her 300 k at the end (following recommendations here) and she seemed happy with that. It seemed like a great deal, overall, for a hot 19 yo. Like Classic, it wasn't especially romantic like I might hope for with a talented freelancer in the room – just down to business. But that's more-or-less what I was expecting from this kind of place and price point. I liked that they didn't pressure me to buy me or her a drink.

My question for the experts: What higher-price-point place would you recommend that would also provide like a nuru massage / body slide before the action? I did get some of that at Orchardz Industri, but they also wanted me to pay like 800 k and wouldn't let me choose the girl.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2799856]Sorry but this report is too vague.

Exactly where was this police raid? At the train tracks? Or nearby? And who was arrested. Working girls? The pimps? Male Indonesian customers? Foreigners? Were they arresting people for sexual activity, drugs, or something else?

Assuming no drugs are involved, the police are unlikely to arrest any foreigner (too much work); if they threaten it (assuming they even speak English), a small cash "donation" can help smooth things.[/QUOTE]Here is one article for anyone who can read Indonesian and wants to summarize.

[URL]https://aceh.tribunnews.com/2023/03/20/39-psk-gang-royal-diamankan-polisi-cuma-dibayar-rp-40000-sekali-main-layani-pria-hidung-belang[/URL]

Came back after all the Covid BS. Can't believe how many people still wear masks here even outside. Just ridiculous but then inside room panties down and masks off. If you are too scared to go to low end places don't go there. I was many times to kalijodo before and it was great. These days I do home delivery and I still pay same price than 3 years ago. Of course some girls push for more. I just told them get lost. Why can't guys say no these days and act like men? There would be less stupid cunts asking for 1 juta on dating sites for example. I just tell them why I pay 1 juta for 1 when I can have 2 for 500? Like in Classic. Why guys tip for bad service? Even for normal one I don't. I tip for extraordinary not fuck and BJ. That's what I already paid for. So for ok BJ and condom use why should I tip? No way.

[QUOTE=HelloYou;2799417]Hello.

That's bad. I wonder what would happen to us, customers, if we get caught? I really don't want to go to prison 😭[/QUOTE]Well you are in luck!. Unlike in America where those big negro boys in prison would be just waiting to impale you with their gigantic schlongs. The average size of an Indonesian one is much smaller so the brown love will be much more comfortable for you.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2799991]Here is one article for anyone who can read Indonesian and wants to summarize.

[URL]https://aceh.tribunnews.com/2023/03/20/39-psk-gang-royal-diamankan-polisi-cuma-dibayar-rp-40000-sekali-main-layani-pria-hidung-belang[/URL][/QUOTE]- 39 prostitutes arrested at the railway tracks.

- 35 adults and 4 minors.

- Some said they charged Rp350 k per session, with the mamasan receiving Rp310 k and the prostitute only 40 k.

- Some see up to 11 customers per day, whilst others sometimes won't even see one.

I visited Orchards Jayakarta (in Jakarta). It was difficult to find the spa, because it's hidden behind the hotel. I suppose they like to keep it on the down-low. I stopped here, despite the lack of reviews, because it was convenient to my hotel and I was looking for more than just a quick romp. I previously had a good session at another Orchardz nearby (Industri) but it seemed like they charged me more than others had reported and they wouldn't let me pick the girl. So I tried here instead. It was a similar deal. They wanted 910 k for everything, which seemed a bit high. It might be for 90 minutes, but she didn't say. On the board I could see that about 11 therapists were busy and another 5 or 6 were potentially available. I asked to see pics. Instead she asked what I like ("very thin") and wanted to just take me to a room with the girl. Said I could ask for another girl if I didn't like her. Well, the girl wasn't thin at all; she was tall with a bit of a belly. When I declined she brought out two slightly better looking ones that were almost passable, but I again declined. I think that this place could be a good option if you could somehow get with the prettiest of the 20 girls working there, but they make that very difficult for an outsider. I gather that it is popular with regulars who book in advance. It seems much more peaceful and luxurious than the cheaper spa options. She pointed out that I could book in advance, yet couldn't explain how I would know whom to book.

I got myself a Grab back to KI. I had been to New Saru Ayu, but wanted to try a new place. So I went into Starmoon. They had about 35 girls on display. It was well lit, though they it was awkward to get close, they were sitting, and packed in. I told the mamasan I wanted a thin girl and let her do the work for me. She first brought over a short chunky girl, perhaps to test my definition of "thin". Then she found another one that I hadn't seen yet because she was behind a pole. This girl was small and cute. Bingo. I paid my 400 k and went to the room. The room itself was a bit small, but adequate for the task. This girl had a hot body. She was thin yet still well-endowed up top. More importantly, she was one of the firmest girls I've had the pleasure of fondling. And tight. Said she was 21. Like most of the girls in Jakarta joints like this, she had a good attitude and was compliant but didn't bother to simulate any romance. They seem to all follow the same script.

All of the places I've been to so far insisted they would be open during Ramadan. Let's see.

[QUOTE=KopiHitam;2800334]- 39 prostitutes arrested at the railway tracks.

- 35 adults and 4 minors.

- Some said they charged Rp350 k per session, with the mamasan receiving Rp310 k and the prostitute only 40 k.

- Some see up to 11 customers per day, whilst others sometimes won't even see one.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a very greedy mami. I m sure nobody pays 350 there. As a bule you pay 200 max so locals surely don't pay more than 150. As a customer nothing to worry about.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2799856]Sorry but this report is too vague.

Exactly where was this police raid? At the train tracks? Or nearby? And who was arrested. Working girls? The pimps? Male Indonesian customers? Foreigners? Were they arresting people for sexual activity, drugs, or something else?

Assuming no drugs are involved, the police are unlikely to arrest any foreigner (too much work); if they threaten it (assuming they even speak English), a small cash "donation" can help smooth things.[/QUOTE]I don't know anymore than that. Apparently they were arresting everyone. The girl I talk to is not very talkative. I tried to get more info but she is ignoring me now for asking too many questions.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2800400]Sounds like a very greedy mami. I m sure nobody pays 350 there. As a bule you pay 200 max so locals surely don't pay more than 150. As a customer nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE]I got quote 300 few times. I of course refused. I noticed they increase the price when they see you don't speak the language.

But typical price is 200. They often say 170 so that you give 200 for the girl and expecting you to leave them the change.

Its a bit of an STD place as most girls don t use condoms. I had to bring them myself.

Hey,

Does anyone have tips on where to buy lingerie? Gmaps has a few upmarket plaves like La Senza listed but I'm looking for something cheaper and trashier.

Seems to be a lot of mail order places online but I prefer browsing in person.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2800091]Came back after all the Covid BS. Can't believe how many people still wear masks here even outside. Just ridiculous but then inside room panties down and masks off. If you are too scared to go to low end places don't go there. I was many times to kalijodo before and it was great. These days I do home delivery and I still pay same price than 3 years ago. Of course some girls push for more. I just told them get lost. Why can't guys say no these days and act like men? There would be less stupid cunts asking for 1 juta on dating sites for example. I just tell them why I pay 1 juta for 1 when I can have 2 for 500? Like in Classic. Why guys tip for bad service? Even for normal one I don't. I tip for extraordinary not fuck and BJ. That's what I already paid for. So for ok BJ and condom use why should I tip? No way.[/QUOTE]Yea I agree. I found it very weird to see people wearing it in places like classic.

Unless it is an attempt to hide from the smoking LOL.

KI was closed tonight. I think all the massage places were. They had told me they would not close, but presumably orders came from above. The doormen confidently assured me they would be open tomorrow.

I visited Lokasari plaza around 8 PM. I only saw maybe one freelancer. It might have been too early.

A girl on Tinder wanted to come over but only if I had a guaranteed supply of vodka. (I didn't) I'm not sure how that would have played out. On one previous occasion, in BKK, I had a girl who really wanted to get drunk with me. That was a crazy night, but I didn't enjoy the part where I babysat a drunk girl.

Hello Friends,

I am new to this Forum. But, I will really appreciate if someone can suggest whether Novotel Gajah Mada or Mercure Kota are guest friendly.

Also, I will visit on 2nd April, so can you suggest best place to visit? Massage / Clubs.

Once again thank you in advance for your advise.

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2800357]I visited Orchards Jayakarta (in Jakarta). It was difficult to find the spa, because it's hidden behind the hotel. I suppose they like to keep it on the down-low. I stopped here, despite the lack of reviews, because it was convenient to my hotel and I was looking for more than just a quick romp. I previously had a good session at another Orchardz nearby (Industri) but it seemed like they charged me more than others had reported and they wouldn't let me pick the girl. So I tried here instead. It was a similar deal. They wanted 910 k for everything, which seemed a bit high. It might be for 90 minutes, but she didn't say. On the board I could see that about 11 therapists were busy and another 5 or 6 were potentially available. I asked to see pics. Instead she asked what I like ("very thin") and wanted to just take me to a room with the girl. Said I could ask for another girl if I didn't like her. Well, the girl wasn't thin at all; she was tall with a bit of a belly. When I declined she brought out two slightly better looking ones that were almost passable, but I again declined. I think that this place could be a good option if you could somehow get with the prettiest of the 20 girls working there, but they make that very difficult for an outsider. I gather that it is popular with regulars who book in advance. It seems much more peaceful and luxurious than the cheaper spa options. She pointed out that I could book in advance, yet couldn't explain how I would know whom to book.

I got myself a Grab back to KI. I had been to New Saru Ayu, but wanted to try a new place. So I went into Starmoon. They had about 35 girls on display. It was well lit, though they it was awkward to get close, they were sitting, and packed in. I told the mamasan I wanted a thin girl and let her do the work for me. She first brought over a short chunky girl, perhaps to test my definition of "thin". Then she found another one that I hadn't seen yet because she was behind a pole. This girl was small and cute. Bingo. I paid my 400 k and went to the room. The room itself was a bit small, but adequate for the task. This girl had a hot body. She was thin yet still well-endowed up top. More importantly, she was one of the firmest girls I've had the pleasure of fondling. And tight. Said she was 21. Like most of the girls in Jakarta joints like this, she had a good attitude and was compliant but didn't bother to simulate any romance. They seem to all follow the same script.

All of the places I've been to so far insisted they would be open during Ramadan. Let's see.[/QUOTE]Hi, can anybody confirm if Classic / Malio / Empo / etc are open today? Planning to go tonight but only second day of Ramadan.

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2800736]KI was closed tonight. I think all the massage places were. They had told me they would not close, but presumably orders came from above. The doormen confidently assured me they would be open tomorrow.

I visited Lokasari plaza around 8 PM. I only saw maybe one freelancer. It might have been too early.

A girl on Tinder wanted to come over but only if I had a guaranteed supply of vodka. (I didn't) I'm not sure how that would have played out. On one previous occasion, in BKK, I had a girl who really wanted to get drunk with me. That was a crazy night, but I didn't enjoy the part where I babysat a drunk girl.[/QUOTE]Everybody knows Ramadan is best to be avoided. Lokasari has been dead for a long time now and best to be avoided. In Ramadan if you don't have your own connections you are fucked up.

[QUOTE=JavaGuy69;2522381]Yes malls and restaurants are open. For these 2 weeks though only until 7 pm but the hours have been normal for a while now. Everyone wears masks and in Jakarta you even need to wear them in your car even if you're by yourself.[/QUOTE]Hi Java. Hope all is well. Epi too. I have a GF there I am visiting in July (age 28) who is curious about a MFM get together. Message me if interested. Cheers, SEA Traveler.

So I finally arrived in Jakarta.

I decided to check the train track area. I noticed they opened up a big entrance to it garded with some guy in green uniform. Some of the other key entrances have been closed.

The whole area is now empty of girls. Load of dudes wandering around. As I kept exploring, one of the guy told me he knows another place. And offered to drive me there for a tips. Once I arrived to the "new" track, there were not much. And all no girls were attractive.

Another guy talked to me. Saying he knew areas with more and better girls. We just had to take a drive.

Having no other choices. I decided to follow him. He went to these tutuk and drove me 10 min away. Then asked me to give 50 k to the driver. I knew I paid way more than market price but I thought ok if he can bring some girls.

Then we just walked around, he went to few bar and keep walking saying the girls are near. He pointed to few girls on the street (ugly) and asked me if I was interested which of course I wasn't.

Then went to another tuktul to go to another area. And told me the current one is closed but the other one we can see. I refused first and then he told me it's 20 k this time.

So I agreed. 5 min drive after, we did again the same circus with nothing on happening. Then he said he knew another place as well. And we went again to another tuktul.

At that point, he drove me to komplex, which I pointed I already know this place and don't need his help for that. I wanted to leave at that point. I was just wondering how to get rid of him.

He did again the same routine and we took another tuktul and to my surprise we went back to the initial train track. He was showing me the train track what a joke. And acted as if was new.

I decided to leave him, walking the opposite side. He followed me a bit then asked for money for food which I ignored.

Iaybe spent 130 k on all these tuktuk drive. Maybe he made some money that way? Very odd scam.

Other than that, I went after midnight to the komplex area and classic hotel, they were both closed.

Really a shit show at the moment.

Hello HelloYou,

That was an Epic post. I cried with you. Reminds me when I went to Tijuana in 1996 for the first time and was in search of The Donkey Show and was instead taken to Bambi's bar on Revolution and paid him, and the waiters $40.00 each to enter a Tranvestite club that I was not interested in being at.

Sigh.

Note to self: Do not go to Jakarta on Ramadan.

Out of desperation. I decided to pop again near the train track. All full of guys again. Never seen so many guys. Probably load of them as desperate as I am 😁.

I walked in the train track. And some old mamas sitting there pointed to me not to go further. Said something in indonesian I couldn t understand.

After wandering around nowhere for 30 min I saw again the first driver from yesterday who offered to drive me to the same place. I accepted.

So again to the same place "new" train track. Arrived around 11:30. This time a girl that looked decent (from the dark), asked me if I wanted drink. I didn't want. I just asked for "chiki chiki". She insisted again for drink which I accepted thinking there would be no harm trying.

While I was sitting mamasan opened 2 large bottle of beer on the table. I asked how much it was. They didn't answer. I asked few more times and a lady who spoke English told me it's 150 for the 2 beers + 50 for the girl time. So a total of 200.

The bar was also full of transexual, I wasn't sure anymore of the girl was a girl or not at that time. She (or he?) was a bit taller than me. As I normally don't drink, I decided to cut the loss, gave them 100 k, and told them it's too expensive for the 200.

I went back sitting nearby. Then another lady talked to me. She offered sex for 200. Apparently she used to work on royal but it's closed now.

We went together to a super dirty filthy room with used tissue all around the floor. She then told me it's an additional 40 k for the condom and tissue which I agreed.

Then she didn t want to remove her bra. And told me it's going to cost 340 k for her to remove it. At that point I was going to leave but she finally said it was ok before I left.

She only did the starfish position. No BJ. No other position. Asked me to finish after 5 min. Really a shit show.

After less than 10 min I had enough and gave her 250 k and left. She wasn't even pretty but I wanted to see how it looked like in this place.

After I went back sitting near the track, one of the girl told me the police was coming and we had to leave. So I left quickly around 1 am. On the way she asked me if I wanted to bring her to my hotel which I refused (too afraid to get robbed) and continued my way on my own.

What a day of nothing!

This is my first report. Salute all the pervs in this forum for their tips.

Day 1:

I'd lined up a sweet little 19 yo from Bandung to meet me in Jakarta for the first two nights. Pretty face, tiny smooth body with no kids & nicely stacked, so I gave her some cash in advance for a bus ticket and a depo shot. I should've read the fine print on that as it induces a period which she arrived on Day 1 of. I can handle a little blood but my god I think she lost about a cup's worth during our time. I managed to cum a couple of times despite being covered in blood from my stomach to my knees. Lucky there is a washing machine in the apartment otherwise housekeeping probably would've called the cops about the murder scene.

Day 2:

I sent the girl back to Bandung early. It was her first time on SA and with a white guy, the conversation was really strained, she had a BF back home I could tell she really liked and had lied to, and the blood was still flowing.

I had another SA girl from Jakarta girl I'd been chatting to who was keen to come over for 2 M and some dinner. 22, chindo, 155 and <40 kg, down for everything. Despite having a profile that included "no timewasters" she ghosted and blocked me 30 min before she was meant to arrive. It was late so I jerked off and went to sleep. Zero from two, extremely disappointing.

Day 3:

Needed something more straightforward so went to Malioboro around 8 pm. Not sure what its like when its not Ramadan, but it was stacked with about 50 girls and <10 customers. I asked if there was any difference during Ramadan, the girls said no BJ / sex in the private booths on the level 2 balcony of the main club area and that they shut early at 12 pm, but other than that it seems business as usual. I'm not muslim so won't presume to know what will or won't get you sent to Jahannam, but I respect their boundaries.

In the club the girls seem to leave the local looking guys alone, but I got mobbed by about a dozen of them loudly pushing for lady shots at 66 k each. I bought a few and politely refused the rest, although it took about 20 refusals for that message to sink in. I thought I was getting extra pressure as an obvious newbie with a dumb grin, but then another white guy walked in and had about 20 girls following after him asking for drinks hahahahah.

Its probably more fun in the club area with some friends, but by yourself the pressure to spend is intense. I ended up picking an absolute stunner to take to the private rooms on Level 4. Said she was 21 but had the cutest babyface, tiny (definitely under 150) and only 35 kg. I'd guess about 3 kg of that was on her chest too, see pic. They make you buy a condom but it was bb everything back in the room. Just incredible. I asked if she wants to come home with me and get married but she politely declined. In and out in about 2 hours and paid 4. 1 all up. Overs compared to some reports here but it was exactly what I was looking for after a couple of disappointing nights so didn't really mind.

[QUOTE=Acroe;2802254]...Needed something more straightforward so went to Malioboro around 8 pm....[/QUOTE]You may already be aware of this, but just to be on the safe side: Malioboro has two parts and it seems you only visited one of them and may have missed the other half.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2802608]You may already be aware of this, but just to be on the safe side: Malioboro has two parts and it seems you only visited one of them and may have missed the other half.[/QUOTE]What is the other half?

[QUOTE=Acroe;2802254]I ended up picking an absolute stunner to take to the private rooms on Level 4. Said she was 21 but had the cutest babyface, tiny (definitely under 150) and only 35 kg. I'd guess about 3 kg of that was on her chest too, see pic. [/QUOTE]Good lord that is a nice body.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2802629]Good lord that is a nice body.[/QUOTE]Good lord.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2802675]Newbie arrives in Jakarta in the first week in Ramadan, insists on going to the lowest-class slum to get his jollies, is disappointed.

Shocked, shocked![/QUOTE]LOL! But I'm grateful for his posts, I admire his honesty and if nothing else its always worth knowing what NOT to do.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2802729]LOL! But I'm grateful for his posts, I admire his honesty and if nothing else its always worth knowing what NOT to do.[/QUOTE]OS is starting to warm to these reports. This is like "Mr Bean comes to Jakarta" Full points to Mr Hello You for giving this a go. You are out there braving the worst Jakarta that punting has, with no Bahasa and it is quite voyeuristic reading your latest adventures.

There's plenty out there who arent brave enough to ride around in a shitbox bajai in the middle of the night after their testicles have siezed control of their brain and here you are, toot tooting around some goddawful slums in a bajai, drinking warm beer, fornicating with old hags and getting slapped around like a true *****.

Keep up the good work says OS. Fails are part of punting life although OS has noticed that he does have a propensity for them. But in the opinion of this correspondent, it's the journey, not the destination and what could possibly go wrong?

It would be worth making the point though, that this is also testament to the nature of Indonesians, they may be happy to stiff you for money but would you do this in Manila? Or Bogota?

OS recognises in the script some problems of our correspondent with assertiveness but these are mitigated by the sheer bravery of taking that lack of assertiveness into these places. Please carry on!