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[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2913271]It takes 2-3 years for intelligence services to do their own various assessments before they start funneling actionable tactical support. Up to now it's only been strategic. Give it another 6-12 months.[/QUOTE]Wow! You are smoking the same crap XMan is smoking. The CIA and the MI6 have been causing problems in Ukraine for over 10 years now, probably longer. You guys are in serious denial, this is part of the reason for the war.
If you think foreign intelligence isn't involved in decapitating the black sea fleet you are badly mistaken. We won't know the whole story until 20-30 years after it's all over. A la hardy boys, air America, wind talkers, etc. Unfortunately I won't be around then. Give me an example of how the intelligence services are "causing problems. " No generalities, a real problem.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2913315]Wow! You are smoking the same crap XMan is smoking. The CIA and the MI6 have been causing problems in Ukraine for over 10 years now, probably longer. You guys are in serious denial, this is part of the reason for the war.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2913495]Give me an example of how the intelligence services are "causing problems. " [/QUOTE]Want examples? Just randomly throw a tart onto a world map.
Euromaidan and the whole series of subsequent dramas are the masterpiece of the Victoria Nuland gang and CIA's work. After ruining Ukraine they wanted to copypaste it in Hong Kong in 2019 and Belarus in 2020, but failed miserably.
And then those warpigs in Washington lecture you how Russia and China are aggressors.
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2913267]So his stated goal of removing nazis and being laughed out of bucha in the first few months were a dream of mine? I'm not pro anything, I'm looking at facts and correcting ignorance. How are removing the "nazi regime" and proping up a pro soviet government in Kabul different?
I can't wait to hear this answer.
He's only interested in what he's interested in now because his army turned out to be a paper tiger and he can only hope to hold these areas as he hasn't a prayer of taking the rest.
One of the things that came with my erectile dysfunction is age, experience, and living though a significant amount of history. Pick almost any conflict in history that ended in a war of attrition and I'll show you an aggressor that lost. If you don't understand this I can't help you.[/QUOTE]You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, I just want to state that I really do not have a horse in this race. I'm neither Russian or Ukrainian. I am commenting purely from a neutral perspective, after getting fully aware of the facts because the western mainstream media is pure evil that just lies.
The reasons for launching the SMO were:
1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).
2. Denazification.
3. Demilitrization.
4. Guarantees for the safety and autonomy to the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine, and in particular in the Donbas.
So the above are the main reasons for the SMO. I hope you see how this scenario is different from Afghanistan in 1979, which was indeed a mistake and the Russians had no business being there and they paid a price with their defeat, just like the Americans did almost 22 years later.
If his army is a paper tiger, then why did the NATO backed and armed Ukrainian army fail miserably in the counter offensive in 2023? They only took 1 village, think about it, and lost tens of thousands of NATO trained men and billions of dollars of equipment.
We will see how much more territory the Russians take. The longer this goes on, the more territory the Ukrainians will lose and the more Ukrainian men will die needlessly and the worse deal they will get. There are clear signs of a potntial Ukrainian collapse on the frontline in the coming weeks and months.
I have nothing against Ukraine or Ukrainians. As a matter of fact, I have met some very decent and kind Ukrainians, men and women. My GP in Sydney is a Ukrainian, an amazing man. I'm neutral in this. I'm calling for a ceasefire to stop the killing and this madness. This war should NEVER have happened. I blame the collective west for taking Ukraine down the primrose path with false promises of joining NATO and the EU, only and only to make Russia bleed. These people are pure evil (The collective west), may God punish them one day. God bless the Ukrainian people.
CEASEFIRE NOW!
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Ukraine should have taken the deal in 2022.[/QUOTE]They were about to until that awful Boris Johnson flew to Kiev, told Zelensky to say no to any deal and that NATO and the west will back Ukraine to the very end. And fast forward to today.
May these warmongers in the collective west rot in eternal hell for taking Ukraine down the primrose path just to feed their greed (military industrial complex) and to make Russia bleed. Sure, Russia is hurting but Ukraine will cease to exist and has had entire generations wiped out and is wrecked.
Name one entity NATO has attacked without provocation since the history of its existence. Why is every former eastern bloc country now a part of NATO except for Belarus? The existential argument is complete nonsense.
This is all because one tiny man with a very large ego can't appetite the fact that his way of rule (note I did not use the word governance) has been rejected by the entirety of the free world. What exactly are his justifications for attacking Georgia?
We're not going to change each other's minds so I'll end with this. If you come to my house and try to take it without giving me compensation that I alone agree to, one of us is going to die. If you already have a house hundreds or thousands of miles away, filled with kids, wife, girlfriend, whatever, you don't personally want my house and want to go home ASAP. You can't win, you don't want to win, you don't care. There will be plenty of give and take, but you will lose the war of attrition. People have never accepted subjugation throughout history and it's not going to start now. It's not going to happen tomorrow or next month but Russia will lose.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2913722]You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, I just want to state that I really do not have a horse in this race. I'm neither Russian or Ukrainian. I am commenting purely from a neutral perspective, after getting fully aware of the facts because the western mainstream media is pure evil that just lies.
The reasons for launching the SMO were:
1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).
2. Denazification.
3. Demilitrization.
4. Guarantees for the safety and autonomy to the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine, and in particular in the Donbas.
So the above are the main reasons for the SMO. I hope you see how this scenario is different from Afghanistan in 1979, which was indeed a mistake and the Russians had no business being there and they paid a price with their defeat, just like the Americans did almost 22 years later.
If his army is a paper tiger, then why did the NATO backed and armed Ukrainian army fail miserably in the counter offensive in 2023? They only took 1 village, think about it, and lost tens of thousands of NATO trained men and billions of dollars of equipment.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2913722]You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, ... may God punish them one day. God bless the Ukrainian people.
CEASEFIRE NOW![/QUOTE]A russian disniformation troll. What I would like to know is how much this guy is paid? How is he paid? Does he work in some building with more of his kind? Does he enjoy his work?
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2913740]Name one entity NATO has attacked without provocation since the history of its existence. [/QUOTE]Ummm. Libya?
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2913740]
Why is every former eastern bloc country now a part of NATO except for Belarus? The existential argument is complete nonsense.
This is all because one tiny man with a very large ego can't appetite the fact that his way of rule (note I did not use the word governance) has been rejected by the entirety of the free world. What exactly are his justifications for attacking Georgia?[/QUOTE]Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO were Russian red lines, this was clearly stated at Bucharest in 2008 by Putin.
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2913740]
but you will lose the war of attrition. People have never accepted subjugation throughout history and it's not going to start now. It's not going to happen tomorrow or next month but Russia will lose.[/QUOTE]You live in lala land. And I don't think you understand what a war of attrition means. Russia is conducting a war of attrition which is why it's winning. What matters in a war of attrition?
Artillery.
Manpower.
Russia has a huge advantage in both, this is why Ukraine is losing and will lose.
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2913744]A russian disniformation troll. What I would like to know is how much this guy is paid? How is he paid? Does he work in some building with more of his kind? Does he enjoy his work?[/QUOTE]You have no argument. Walk on home, boy.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2913722]
1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).
[/QUOTE]What a joke.
There were talks, yes, and unacceptable demands from Russian side: I. E. Only 85.000 Ukrainian soldiers to be kept (De-militarization). To make it easier for Putler, to invade later on.
Not to forget, that Putler already broke the non-agression agreement against UA, from Budapest 1994.
Unfortunately, at that time UA trusted Russia, and gave up their nuclear weapons, last not least because of this non-agression agreement.
The talks of Istanbul also mentioned security guarantees, from Western Countries, and Russia. How to fulfill? Western countries do not and did not want to take direct action against Russia in case of aggression.
[B]Putin Propagandist Panics Over Ukraine Receiving Long-Range US Missiles[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/putin-propagandist-panics-over-ukraine-receiving-long-range-us-missiles-1894422[/URL]
Panic is about right. All Russian assets are on the highest alert now, from professional ex-Olgino trolls to paid propagandists and useful idiots in the West. You can gauge the level of their desperation by the fact that they're willing to pay for trolling a mongering forum once again, LOL.
By the way, for those who're really interested in specifics of Russia's information wars, here is an excellent new paper. Highly recommended!
[B]A multilingual analysis of pro Russian misinformation on Twitter during the Russian invasion of Ukraine[/B]
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-60653-y[/URL]
No doubt, we're going to see more cool poker faces and prophecies of Ukraine's demise as the Evil Empire is racing toward the cliffs.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2913764]You have no argument. Walk on home, boy.[/QUOTE]I'm simply curious about how you are compensated. If there's enough money to be had, I would like to get in on it. I know you are required to maintain the official line in this forum, so you can private message me the details of payment.
Well, saying 'Hello' to the current commander-in-chief of the AFU's adopted son residing in Australia.
'Nigel Casey was warned that any UK military facilities and equipment on Ukrainian territory and beyond could be hit as a response to Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory with British weapons. '.
[URL]https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1948389/[/URL]
And.
[URL]https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1948486/[/URL]
Guess what, tactical munitions are not part of the doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons.
Here is a neutral (Swiss) explanation regarding the unacceptable Russian conditions for peace during beginning of war.
[URL]https://www.nzz.ch/international/wie-russland-und-ukraine-eine-chance-verpassten-den-krieg-zu-beenden-ld.1827138[/URL]
To argue against your (unverified) Russian point of view, peace had been possible already for 2 years.
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2913885]I'm simply curious about how you are compensated. If there's enough money to be had, I would like to get in on it. I know you are required to maintain the official line in this forum, so you can private message me the details of payment.[/QUOTE]And how many Covid boosters did you get JC? Hmm.
Seeing as how your powers of prediction are so amazing, JC, where are we at in two years with this war? And by the way, is this the last of the money we need to give Ukraine? What will get for it and how much more will they need?