Moscow

[QUOTE=Aibolit]Thanks to all who provided comments to my post. I would agree with most of them. But, you guys are forgetting few important things that, I'm sure, are an impediment to many of us:
1. I am completely alone, when I am in Moscow.
2. I have no idea where to go to meet young gorgeous freebies.
3. I don't have time to invest in Mamba etc to prepare for months the potential dates for my visit.
4. I am in Moscow only for 1-2 weeks maximum.

I don't think I have any problem with other "must haves" that you guys listed: success, charm, visit Moscow often, well mannered, etc. But, I wonder how you suggest to overcome the 4 above-mentioned impediments?
Again, I'm sure this is a generic problem that is not specific just to me.[/QUOTE]1) Being alone is not a problem. Going to clubs with a wingman is more fun than alone that is for sure, but I actually do better when I am alone. If you don't want to go to a club alone, just make mamba dates and go from there.

2) [url]www.afisha.ru[/url]... in addition to all the places we've talked about here.

3) that's your problem. Like I said, you have to make things happen. Sometimes things fall in your lap, but it's rare. Mamba IS work, but you'll have to invest some effort in your project or it won't happen. I don't use Mamba much anymore personally for exactly that reason. I prefer street game, or meeting girls in clubs or meeting girls through social circles. For you however I do believe Mamba is a good start.

4) 1-2 weeks is enough time, but you will have to make an effort. Sometimes great things happen on day 1, sometimes it takes longer.

[QUOTE=Aibolit]Thanks to all who provided comments to my post. I would agree with most of them. But, you guys are forgetting few important things that, I'm sure, are an impediment to many of us:
1. I am completely alone, when I am in Moscow.
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I score best when I'm solo. Success is inversely proportional to the size of your posse. But I'm pretty sure one of the local guys here would be willing to show you around in exchange for dinner and/or drinks.

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2. I have no idea where to go to meet young gorgeous freebies.
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Huh? Have you not read the forum? If you're unwilling to go online, then any club or bar will do. I'd suggest demokratichny places which are expat-friendly: Che, Real McCoy, Karma, Tema, Fabrique, Papa's, Tunnel, B2, Vinograd, Etazh - man, the list goes on and on...

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3. I don't have time to invest in Mamba etc to prepare for months the potential dates for my visit.
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No problem, but you'd better have enough balls to approach a cutie in a bar.

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4. I am in Moscow only for 1-2 weeks maximum.
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Many of my visiting work colleagues are only here for 2-3 [B]days[/B] and poke an equal number of girls during that time.

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I don't think I have any problem with other "must haves" that you guys listed: success, charm, visit Moscow often, well mannered, etc. But, I wonder how you suggest to overcome the 4 above-mentioned impediments?
Again, I'm sure this is a generic problem that is not specific just to me.[/QUOTE]

You need some tough love, brother. Quit your bitching, put on your best club clothes and cologne, make a point to chat up each cute girl you see (even if she's just sitting in a park) and don't stop until you hit paydirt.

The most important thing about Russia, or eastern Europe in general, is don't try to plan, predict or second-guess it. If you try to study it from and intellectual perspective, it will defeat you every time. If you're sitting in the U.S. or western Europe and reading this board (or any other about eastern Europe) and scratching your head wondering how you can participate, you should understand that crossing into eastern Europe is a little like stepping through the looking glass.

Beautiful young women who probably wouldn't have given you the time of day anywhere else, even if you paid them, will suddenly take you seriously, even if you don't pay them. It's a strange phenomenon and one that has to be experienced to be understood.

Of course, you have to present yourself properly; well dressed, well spoken, with an air of confidence and success (smell good). But men do this all over the world and won't necessarily get the same results as they will in Moscow.

So, study what's been written in this forum, grab your passport, buy a plane ticket and follow the rabbit down the hole! It will take some time for you to figure it out, just like it did for everyone else. Strange things may happen, the caterpillar might give you a puff on his hookah, or the Mad Hatter might spit in your face, but that's OK, it's half the fun.

счастливо!

[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]There's part of your problem right there in your question. You dont aim to come to Moscow and meet ONE girl. Don't aim to be poking the same girl for a few days - thats soft. If thats your attitude, you will end up trying too hard for each chick you hit on.

Moscow girls smell that, and it will smell like weakness and boredom.

They dont go for that.[/QUOTE]RM brings up an important point. Not only is it very beneficial to have an aire of mystery around you to keep her fascinated and motivated to please, it is important to understand one vital fact:

When a Russian girl thinks that you are REALLY serious about her and you have sent her these signals or even gone out of the way to make her feel that way, the rules change completely. You go from lover to marriage candidate. This may or may not have a positive effect on your sexual relations. I've been at both ends of the spectrum over the years and if I had to choose, I'd say it's ultimately better to be the lover. This is good, because it also gives you a license to be a jerk. Believe it or not, many girls eat it up. They need and crave the drama and it keeps them passionate.

Being the "really good guy" as many of us Westerners tend to be is effective only long-term... meaning they'll need months if not years to appreciate it. If ever.

Drawing upon a recent example from St.Petersburg, I was meeting a super cute 20-year old party girl. Frankly, she was a tease. We had made out in a club about 10 minutes after meeting. I just grabbed her and we started kissing. I was wearing the white shoes if anybody remembers those. I didn't take her home that night, but nonetheless we hit it off and an emotional connection ensued over a couple of weeks of internet communication. She came over one afternoon when I was in Petes and we were talking and she was raving about what a great guy I was. Nice, but where did that get me? Certainly not inside that tight puss of hers. I stopped her mid-sentence and put it on the line. I told her that I wasn't interested in being friends and that if we were going to keep seeing each other, it would have to be on a romantic, sexual level. My feelings for her were passionate and erotic and not merely friendly. I didn't need or want her merely as a friend. I told her to leave and think about it.

She left in a state of mild shock as I shut the door behind her. She called me the next day and we've been fucking ever since.

It's not a bad method and quite frankly, unless you are looking for "just a friend" you have nothing to lose. In a target-rich environment it pays to think this way, even if it goes against your Western upbringing.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] In a target-rich environment it pays to think this way, even if it goes against your Western upbringing.[/QUOTE] You are soooo right. Being the nice guy is going to get you no where. They don't expect it, they don't understand it, and they don't necessarily want it. And you sure better not expect reciprocal treatment because Moscow Dyevs are about as flaky as they come. I'm not saying you need to be an asshole, but doing the attentive, considerate, thoughtful boyfriend thing is probably going to raise suspicion rather than appreciation. And let's not kid ourselves, we only want appreciation that morphs into sex right? Want a friend? Get a dog.

And Skank nailed it when he says "Western Upbringing" because it's the natural instinct that most socially acceptable guys from the west had drilled into their heads since they were 13 years old. Treating the ladies "right" was a pre-requisite to sex........ unless of course you were dealing with a bad girl and that's a whole different animal.

In similar fashion to Skank, I was getting nowhere with a girl until I laid it on the line. We screwed like rabbits for 2 days and then she disappeared................ but that's beside the point.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I score best when I'm solo. Success is inversely proportional to the size of your posse. But I'm pretty sure one of the local guys here would be willing to show you around in exchange for dinner and/or drinks.

Many of my visiting work colleagues are only here for 2-3 [B]days[/B] and poke an equal number of girls during that time.

You need some tough love, brother. Quit your bitching, put on your best club clothes and cologne, make a point to chat up each cute girl you see (even if she's just sitting in a park) and don't stop until you hit paydirt.[/QUOTE]

Well that pretty much sums it up in my book

a) Like Skank and Pizdets, I love being out with the boys, you relax and get a good buzz happening. But as they both said, you will do better solo, UNLESS you are on a prearranged double date. In which regard, Skank will have to write up a post on optimized team play during a double date.

A couple of co-ordinated guys on a prearranged double date is a surefire double poke, as Skank and I have proved on countless occasions. A double date which (inevitably) evolves into a double bang is a doubly satisfying thing. To hear your mate's hot date moaning in the next room (while you try to picture what she looks like naked) at 5am is matched only by the embarrassment on your own lovers face, once the flurry of activity and moaning in your own bed stops, as she realises she can suddenly hear her best girlfriend (or sister) getting whacked in the next room.

Typically, a lot of high fiving (and photo viewing) goes on between the boys at lunch the next day. There is a team spirit and cameraderie that you dont get flying solo, but it really only works well if you play as a team.

b) Re-emphasising, you dont want to be aiming for 1 girl on a 1-2 week trip. If you aim low, you will achieve low, and may end up with nothing but frustrated p4p. The handful of guys I know who are regular freebie playing visitors to the big M are usually aiming for 2-3 new face pokes plus 2-3 regulars on a 3-4 day trip. Not being too close to any of them gives you that distance and aire of mystery that really works particularly well in the FSU. It actually makes it easier, not harder, once you know what distance to maintain.

c) Again Pizdets nails it here ... you need some tough love. A slap in a face, a slick shirt, some nice aftershave and just go out there and play ball - and dont even think about being a "nice guy". To paraphrase God (or was it Cruijff .... doesnt matter, they are interchangeable) ... "You wont score, if you dont shoot."

Ever played Pool, on the big 15 foot tables, even worse, anyone played Russian Snooker? The balls are only a few milimetres smaller than the pocket. Its hard, VERY hard.

But then gone back to American tables? Or even the little bar tables little 6 footers? You play like a frickin professional all of a sudden.

Alot of the 'skills' and 'attitude' that everyone is talking about, it works on all ladies, but you just have to increase the humour angle for the western girls.

I've been playing around with a few freebees, always keeping 2-3 on the go, picking up numbers, getting first and second dates, rotating my calander, but I'm looking for something specific, and having fun while looking. But its still hard work figuring out the dyev and her mindset.

Recently I find myself visiting America for the first time, and gawd I feel like I'm playing on the 6ft tables.

I was in Vegas, picked up three girls, would have taken them back to the same hotel room, save for my cock blocking idiot friends, within 2 hours, I have 2 girls, ready for a party, again cock blocked. So going Solo has its advantages if you don't have a team that 'knows' how to play the scene.

In Tahoe, I managed to get to second base, with some random chick, on the top of a mountain, during snowboarding lessons.

In S. F. I picked up a girl on the street, after 2 minutes conversation, she's wanting to move to Moscow, hook up with me.

Its all Attitude, Confidence, Humour and Balls. Nothing more. Russian Dyevs are damn good training, but now, American chicks are just no challenge, its too frickin easy.

I can suggest some good reading for anyone who's interested in what I'm reading, on how to get game. Cause I had to unlearn the Western femnazism bullshit that locked me out of girls pants for nigh on 15 years.

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Proving once again that things don't always go according to plan...

So ISG sex commandos, riddle me this:

How do you deal with a sobbing out of town dev staying overnight who just got a call from her mother that babushka died?

You know these Russian girls, it's more than just worrying about where she's going to get borsht now, they take this stuff seriously. Beyond getting up at 6 to go to the monastir for early morning prayers to the ikon... I've got other problems.

My guess is that I am not getting any ass tonight.

RIP babushka. Really pretty sad stuff having a sobbing 20-year old around the house. :(

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I can suggest some good reading for anyone who's interested in what I'm reading, on how to get game. Cause I had to unlearn the Western femnazism bullshit that locked me out of girls pants for nigh on 15 years.

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Very interested in some of the reading material you mentioned in the post. You can never have too much "game".

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Proving once again that things don't always go according to plan...

So ISG sex commandos, riddle me this:

How do you deal with a sobbing out of town dev staying overnight who just got a call from her mother that babushka died?

You know these Russian girls, it's more than just worrying about where she's going to get borsht now, they take this stuff seriously. Beyond getting up at 6 to go to the monastir for early morning prayers to the ikon... I've got other problems.

My guess is that I am not getting any ass tonight.

RIP babushka. Really pretty sad stuff having a sobbing 20-year old around the house. :([/QUOTE]
Skank,
My condolences - having a sobbing 20 year old is not fun. Oh, too bad about the babushka as well.

I know it's not your thing, but you might want to consider dropping in to Fantasys or Charmel under the guise of going out to buy groceries.

Failing that pal, you are on consoling boyfriend duty tonight. But don't rule out consolation sex either. It's not going to be as hot as regular carnival sex like you usually have but if you dig into your bad of tricks and pretend for a moment that you are dealing with a western girl you might have a chance. Remember - her "game" will be off so she's not going to respond to the normal animal stimulus. This is going to be all about her and her grieving. Get some soup, watch a light romantic comedy on TV, and (God dare I say it?) HOLD her in such a way that reassures her she is safe with you and that sex is the last thing on your mind. Reassure her that Babushka is in peace and reflect on the tremendous times that she had seen in her life time and how she is now in a better place with <<and here's the punch line>> the recently departed Patriarch. Once you get in the sack for some badly needed sleep, you need no more than 30 seconds before she's ready to feel you pain. Or you to feel her pain..... you get what I mean. This shit works every time. Besides, it's the only card you have to play my friend - go boldly.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Failing that pal, you are on consoling boyfriend duty tonight. But don't rule out consolation sex either. It's not going to be as hot as regular carnival sex like you usually have but if you dig into your bad of tricks and pretend for a moment that you are dealing with a western girl you might have a chance. Remember - her "game" will be off so she's not going to respond to the normal animal stimulus. This is going to be all about her and her grieving. Get some soup, watch a light romantic comedy on TV, and (God dare I say it?) HOLD her in such a way that reassures her she is safe with you and that sex is the last thing on your mind. Reassure her that Babushka is in peace and reflect on the tremendous times that she had seen in her life time and how she is now in a better place with <<and here's the punch line>> the recently departed Patriarch. Once you get in the sack for some badly needed sleep, you need no more than 30 seconds before she's ready to feel you pain. Or you to feel her pain..... you get what I mean. This shit works every time. Besides, it's the only card you have to play my friend - go boldly.[/QUOTE]I'm being "horroshi" tonight. It's really the only option and it's the only thing I feel like doing. She's really sad, feeling totally guilty that she isn't at home "where she should be".

Oh well.

As for sex, I really really really doubt I'm getting any... but we're going to dinner... maybe drinks will help. She'll either turn into a crying wreck or something may happen after all. I'm not pushing it, but you never how she'll be.

Actually it's odd, we've gotten really close in the last 2 hours, just talking and softly touching. She's resting now while I type, but we haven't talked like that ever before. It was like a dam broke, she was pouring out the emotion. She really laid it on thick.

Crazy day.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Reassure her that Babushka is in peace and reflect on the tremendous times that she had seen in her life time and how she is now in a better place with <<and here's the punch line>> the recently departed Patriarch.[/QUOTE]

ROTFL! You're evil, Jake - know that?

[QUOTE=Jake993]Very interested in some of the reading material you mentioned in the post. You can never have too much "game".[/QUOTE]There are several books out on the subject, including "the Game" by Neil Strauss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(book_on_Pickup_Artists)

There is some truth to what is written, fosho... but I've also seen too many guys taking the techniques to extremes... and verbatim. Everybody needs to adapt any technique to their own strengths and style.

Beyond that, I find that Russia has it's own set of rules. There are inherent characteristics that every girl has, but also significant cultural differences.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Proving once again that things don't always go according to plan.

So ISG sex commandos, riddle me this:

How do you deal with a sobbing out of town dev staying overnight who just got a call from her mother that babushka died?

You know these Russian girls, it's more than just worrying about where she's going to get borsht now, they take this stuff seriously. Beyond getting up at 6 to go to the monastir for early morning prayers to the ikon... I've got other problems.

My guess is that I am not getting any ass tonight.

RIP babushka. Really pretty sad stuff having a sobbing 20-year old around the house. :([/QUOTE]I had the same thing in Odessa 2 years ago. She was 20, got a call in the middle of the night that babushka was dead (we had just fallen asleep after sex). Then she cried all night and drank a lot of whisky. She was totally drunk the next morning and still drunk and crying when in the afternoon she got on the train.

Moral of story: thank God she didn't get the call before we had finished sex!!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]How do you deal with a sobbing out of town dev staying overnight who just got a call from her mother that babushka died?[/QUOTE]OK, interesting...

It sort of depends, is she just another throw-away? Or is she a keeper?

If she's just a throw-away, then you will probably have to settle for some consolation sex. But, if she's a keeper, then you might want to make that trip to the church and buy a malitvah (paid prayer) for babushka. It's critical for prayers to go up to heaven along with the departed soul. But, you don't have to stand there all night yourself, for a fee the priests will be happy to do this for you. For a small amount of dyengi (money) you could have all the priests praying for babushka's soul for the next 40 days. Talk about touching her russkaya dusha!

Or, you could just kick her out the door in the morning.