Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2187646]Generally confused by this thread. Is this "pay first" a Pattaya thing or with a certain dollar value girls? When I've done takeout from the gogos in Bangkok or Phuket you pay the barfine with your drinks but Never pay the girl till afterward. In what situation is it OK / required to pay up front?[/QUOTE]You have indeed read posters here and you will occasionally read in the Bangkok thread that a punter "unwisely paid the mamasan the full amount in advance" in reference to Pattaya and/or Bangkok go-go bars. Speaking mostly for Bangkok since I rarely partake of Pattaya go-go bars anymore, I don't know of any Bangkok go-go bars where the so-called "official" method is to pay the mamasan the full amount agreed upon by the girl upfront instead of paying the girl directly afterwards. But it is definitely tried many, many times in the go-go bars here in Bangkok these days. It is up to the girl and the mamasan if they want to try to pull that little trick.

And it isn't just with newbies. In some cases, the mamasan will even have a handwritten post card size note with "ST = 3000, LT = 5000" prices written on it and then she'll stick out her palm as though everyone does it this way. LOL. You can assume at least 500 baht of that if not 1,000 baht of it will stay in that mamasan's pocket and the remainder going to the girl at some point. The girl might or might not be a pro-active participant in this little scam. It could be that she just doesn't want to rock the boat by cutting the mamasan out of the rewards for trying it. But if you politely refuse to be scammed this way, your girl will generally not fight on the mamasan's behalf. She'll just go with your decision. Generally. If my chosen girl ever did fight on the mamasan's behalf for such a thing, I would bail out of that deal asap. And probably out of that bar.

I just look at the paper or hear their little pitch about paying all of it "upfront", smile, shake my head no and then take that as my cue to wave off the mamasan, talk discretely with the girl about the money, how much I will pay her and for what, all subjects we might not have talked about at all had it not been for the mamasan interjecting her outstretched palm and that silly rate card. And I have never agreed to the amounts listed or mentioned by a mamasan just because she said so or because it was handwritten on a piece of paper.

To try to put a more benign face on this issue, perhaps some go-go bar mamasans do this at the girl's request because the girl just doesn't have the confidence or language skills to "negotiate" or merely ask for a certain amount of money for her time, it goes unsaid upfront or any other time and she has wound up getting 500 baht or some such nonsense from a few customers even after giving it her best. That is possible in some cases I suppose.

But, be warned, my fellow punters in Pattaya and Bangkok, there are forces at work trying to move the system into that horrid "pay upfront" model for go-go bars as well as other types of venues rather than put any effort into explaining, training and assuring the girls that they will rarely get a disgruntled customer refusing to pay an agreed upon rate after the deed is done IF they would just do their job better in the first place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2187750]Sorry, but this is an exact example of why a lot of Thai chicks don't like Indian guys. I know you guys did give these Kenyan chicks extra money in the end though. But taking chicks back, then springing the "now fuck my friend too" on them gives you a bad reputation. Thousands of chicks in Pattaya, why do you have to fuck the same chick your friend brings for himself?[/QUOTE]Because the shorter sister was asleep the whole time and gave just one fuck for the full LT? Because in all fairness then we should have paid the shorter sister only for ST?

If you mean that every time 2 Indian guys bring 2 girls back for LT, one is asleep the whole time, so the guys try to get return on investment from the single girl actually working- and this is exactly why Thai girls don't like Indian guys, then on behalf of such Indians let me tell you we're fine, thank you.

On all occasions otherwise where we brought two girls, we have private one on ones and no designs of anything else. I think you're being quick to pull on the judgment here.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2187745]Is it the girl in the picture?[/QUOTE]Nope not her.

When I tell you that I love this place with all my heart. Met a chick on WeChat last year. But she would never meet in person. She always had excuses and most of the time would not answer my messages. She lived in Soi Buakhao so I was beginning to think maybe she was a ladyboy and did not want to be exposed. I finally deleted her from my Line.

Last week I was using Tinder and ran across the same chick. She asked for 2000 LT but I told her 1200, which she quickly accepted. She came over and I asked her why she was bullshitting me on WeChat. She said something about she is leary of meeting guys that live here because many may just want a girlfriend and not a woman to pay. And she is in it for the pay.

We had a great time and she didn't want to leave. I dropped her home and she was blowing me up that night trying to come back.

Now she just hits me up saying how horny she is. I wanted to blow her off so I told her that I didn't have any money and was she still horny. She said yes and agreed to 500 LT tonight. I love this fucking place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2187750]taking chicks back, then springing the "now fuck my friend too" on them gives you a bad reputation.[/QUOTE]Why not? They made a proposal, she agreed, they paid her a fair rate. Don't forget, these girls are hookers and 2 paying clients are better than one paying client. Most are on their cock #2000, not #10. Sure, this might break our white boy fantasy, but it's perfectly fine.

I actually have a regular on Beach Road who prefers Indian clients, precisely because she can do 5 guys in a row for 5 x the money, they tend to have modest-size dicks and are not too demanding sexually compared to Farang.

We're talking hookers here, not charming the pants off a naive village girl looking for marriage.

[QUOTE=Zjfgdb;2187483]I would like to know about the LT and ST price at Gogo Bar and Beer Bar in Pattaya as I am the newbie here.

I see many website such as Thailand Red Cats says the LT price for the girls is around 2000-3500 B. Is it that right?[/QUOTE]It depends on you, the girl, and the bar. There's a lot of variation. For example you can find a girl in a bar like Heaven Above who might do a short time in the hotel right next door for 1000 Baht. Or you might walk over to a bar like Palace where one of the so called "models" on stage will ask for a 3000 Baht barfine and another 3000 for herself for the same kind of activity! At the same time there are girls working in some of these expensive go go bars that will go bang a guy after work for as little as 500 Baht or even for free, believe it or not.

A lot new guys with little experience seem to get hit with the highest quotes, and from what I've seen they usually pay them too. That's what those cards with "5000 Baht" or whatever written on them that some of the aggressive mamasans carry around are for.

Do you mind sharing the info on the Kenyan tall lady?

[QUOTE=AsFaq;2187788]Nope not her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2187756]But, be warned, my fellow punters in Pattaya and Bangkok, there are forces at work trying to move the system into that horrid "pay upfront" model for go-go bars as well as other types of venues rather than put any effort into explaining, training and assuring the girls that they will rarely get a disgruntled customer refusing to pay an agreed upon rate after the deed is done IF they would just do their job better in the first place.[/QUOTE]Baccara in Pattaya is already doing that. I was asked to pay first last time I BF from Baccara in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2187605]Hey,

Don't apologize for being long winded. If anything thanks for such great reports. I thought I could bring it pretty well for 55 but at 57 you are putting me to shame! I am going to have to up my game![/QUOTE]Thanks Steve.

Towards the end I was blowing dust but with the help of vitamin V and knowing after only 5 days of surviving on minimum sleep I can rest at home. The saving grace is that my wife started her period the day before I got home so I get some respite. LOL.

One thing I forgot in the report was the twins that me and Lew Ashby scored from TF! I made original contact with one for a dinner date and sex he was at loose ends and I noticed a girl with her in her Line timeline and asked if she could her friend for my friend? Her friend turned out to be her 1 minute younger twin.

Rob.

Hi Guys.

I have just returned back from second visit to Pattaya I want to pass on some advise to new comers that will save you time and money and hopefully and give the best ROI.

1/ Go for you TF, Tinder and other online girls but video chat first and if they are hesitant to show their figure be careful, I met 6 TF girls and 3 were using old photos and had gained weight.

2/ I spent way too much on Lady drinks in agogos. If you find your lady pay the fine and get out of there. It is cheaper for you to pay the pre midnight fine and go then to occupy her with LDs until later because you will spend more on drinks for her, her friends and Mamasan. If you want to drink and party before you go back go to a bar but don't go to where her friends work because again you are under pressure to buys drinks.

3/ Group sex. Every night I had at least 2 girls with me and honestly after the initial thrill of wow I am just like a porn star you may only experience 1 maybe 2 pops and then that's it. When there are 2 of them they will want to leave early as it doesn't offer them comfortable sleeping options and they can come with some creative schemes to tell you why they have to leave early.

4/ Accommodation. I stayed at the Penthouse hotel my first trip and it was fun but for 7 nights it was too tacky. Second visit I stayed at the Grand Hotel in Walking Street and then the Mgallery Baraquda Second Road. Don't get caught up in proximity to Walking Street because that is only a fraction of the where the action is. Read the forum and find a classy hotel close to all of the main areas remembering the Baht buses are your friend around the Beach Road and Second Road circuits and the Motor Taxis give you access to Jontiem and LK Metro etc.

5/ Planning. LOL plan to have fun and have an idea of what you want to do but this is Pattaya and plans can go out the window in a heartbeat. I told one girl I wanted to meet her for dinner and sex 2 weeks before with a specific time and date and no problem for her. 5 minutes before we were to meet I get a message that she is working until 11 pm in a job she always works until 11 pm every Tuesday!! Don't wait for these girls, when they say 10 minutes it means 20 to 30 minutes and keep in touch every 10 minutes asking where are they and do so by video chat. If they don't respond move to your next girl, you are here for you not them.

6/ Getting attached. In my first trip I never repeated. This trip I did repeat on 5 occasions with little regret. One girl I saw 3 times and that got messy. On the 3rd time she didn't want to leave the room and was repeatedly sending me messages as to my where abouts and activities. She had that night off so the messages were annoying. I went to the Agogo where she worked to repeat with one of the other girls there and before I had left the bar the hate mail was hitting inbox. I didn't string her along and her feelings were for my money I am sure but be careful of the girls putting there brand on your wallet.

So in summary find a good mix of girls in Pattaya as that will give you 24 hour access and variety. Check on line girls for current pics. Don't get trapped in Agogos because the price of drinks and drink scams will cost you. Enjoy the multiple sex options available to you and a good option for threesomes is Kinnaree, I had 2 there, instead on paying 2 barfines and excessive prices from agogo girls. Stay somewhere nice for comfort, accessibility, girl friendly, wife video call friendly and affordability. Remember your transport options, don't stay around Walking Street and Soi 6 when for 50 to 100 Baht you can get a motor taxi. Use Google Earth to explore before you go. Plan not to over plan! If one option falls through there will be 5 to replace.

I hope this will help at least one person and I can't for January for my next visit.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2188046]I hope this will help at least one person and I can't for January for my next visit.[/QUOTE]Fantastic summary, complete with great pics in the PG. Way to go man.

Perhaps you know this already, but January will be the mid-point of peak season and practically everything will be overpriced. IMHO its the worst time to go to Pattaya as its insanely crowded with all sorts of gentry.

Hi guys,

I am visiting Pattaya for a couple of days and I want to know if there are some recommendations on specific girls / escorts which we must try for short / long time. I do have a lot of options for Bangkok but I find the options limited for Pattaya.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2188046]
2/ I spent way too much on Lady drinks in agogos. If you find your lady pay the fine and get out of there. It is cheaper for you to pay the pre midnight fine and go then to occupy her with LDs until later because you will spend more on drinks for her, her friends and Mamasan. If you want to drink and party before you go back go to a bar but don't go to where her friends work because again you are under pressure to buys drinks.[/QUOTE]There is absolutely no need to buy drinks for anyone other than the girl you want. I laugh when I see guys buying drinks for all the girl's buddies. You will notice she has many sisters soon after. I have never understood buying drinks for rotund waitresses. If they're hot then sure. I got freebies from a gogo bar waitress before. She was as hot as any gogo girl.

I personally don't pay barfines since I live here but I agree it's not worth waiting for the 500 baht reduction in barfine if you're going to have to buy drinks for another hour or two. I learned that quickly as you have as well.

As for which gogo bars to go to with your girl if that's what you want to spend your time on, you pick the bars not her. She'll still have sisters at every bar but again don't buy drinks for anyone unless you want to barfine them another night.

[QUOTE=Rob Jones;2188046]a good option for threesomes is Kinnaree, I had 2 there, instead on paying 2 barfines and excessive prices from agogo girls.[/QUOTE]

Do you have to pay for 2 barfines for 2 girls at Kinnaree?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2188086]Do you have to pay for 2 barfines for 2 girls at Kinnaree?[/QUOTE]Yes. Room fee/bar fine is per girl, not per room or session.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2188099]Yes. Room fee/bar fine is per girl, not per room or session.[/QUOTE]For accuracy sake the extra fee at so called gentlemen's club is for the room as distinct to a bar fine which is ostensibly to compensate the establishment for lost revenue from taking the girl away from her "real job" entertaining customers on stage and keeping them company in exchange for drinks. As I say ostensibly.

As an aside one could reasonably quibble with double charging for the room at a gentleman's club when taking two girls along. Same room for the same length of time.