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[QUOTE=Western787; 1472124]Effective doing what? While perhaps muscle mass and other issues can be improved, the big issue and really the central focus and implication of their marketing campaigns. Low libido. Has yet to be resolved. Step back and apply commons sense: if the drug companies had the science (beyond anecdotal reports) supporting that "low T" intervention actually worked in regard to the libido issue, they'd certainly have the monetary motivation to be out front pointing to these studies in the medical literature. The reality is these studies do not exist.

[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/04/should-the-modern-man-be-taking-testosterone/274663/[/url][/QUOTE]I didn't make my post about inquiring if there are places in Thailand to acquire testosterone replacement such as Andro gel etc. To debate whether or not testosterone should be taken. I've been taking it in United States for quite a few years and I know it works great for me. Not just for increasing libido, although it definitely helps that, so I refute those who say it doesn't. But it also helps in many other areas. If you have a low testosterone, it is not good for you healthwise. Period. I've been under doctor supervision with it for many years now so that's not the question for me.

I was simply inquiring as to whether I could readily get it in a reputable form in places like Bangkok or Pattaya. As I am considering moving to Thailand for four months or so of the year beginning in a year or so as I am lucky enough to have acquired the means to easily do that. And yes, I have done and am doing my due diligence. I have visited Thailand a dozen times and many other parts of Southeast Asia many times.

I just haven't gotten around to inquiring about testosterone replacement therapy such as AndroGel and the like and it's availability in Thailand.

Not interested in any sort of debate here; just looking for information. Thanks.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Western787; 1472124]Effective doing what? While perhaps muscle mass and other issues can be improved, the big issue and really the central focus and implication of their marketing campaigns. Low libido. Has yet to be resolved. Step back and apply commons sense: if the drug companies had the science (beyond anecdotal reports) supporting that "low T" intervention actually worked in regard to the libido issue, they'd certainly have the monetary motivation to be out front pointing to these studies in the medical literature. The reality is these studies do not exist.

[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/04/should-the-modern-man-be-taking-testosterone/274663/[/url][/QUOTE]I read the article. Obviously written by a journalist not a scientist. Journalist in general do a terrible job of reporting on science. Naturally, they are writing about something they understand superficially at best. However, I do think the general tone of skepticism that is pervasive throughout the article serves the public good.

In my earlier post I identified three primary groups who take synthetic testosterone.

(1) Athletes looking for a boost in performance; elite competitive athletes are likely to take it in combination with other drugs; will get a significant performance boost; and if caught are f*cked. The weekend warriors who take synthetic testosterone are idiots.

(2) Men with abnormally low testosterone levels; these men have a medical condition and their physician may determine a treatment regime including synthetic testosterone is warranted. The physician will know the risks and benefits and armed with test results will help the patient make the right decision. Otherwise healthy men in their forties and fifties who like the weekend warriors in group 1 just want to be like they were when they were younger are also idiots if they take synthetic testosterone. Judging by the age of the actors in the ads and commercials I see, big pharma is eager to exploit the stupidity of today's middle aged men.

Naturally these are opinions, but my opinions are always right! Haha.

(3) Older men are the last group. Some of these men may decide after talking to their physician that they are candidates for testosterone therapy. These may be men who had low normal levels when they were younger and with age have dropped below a healthy threshold. I will not even attempt to define what a healthy threshold is. Seems obvious to me that can only be determined by the patient and a physician during the discussion of actual test results. As I wrote earlier I know a few older guys taking synthetic testosterone under a doctor's supervision. They have experienced no side effects and are pleased with the results. I know a few older guy who have thought about it and decided not to for various reasons. I am one of these. I know one guy who wanted to until he talked to his physicians.

I actually I think common side effects and exposing others are not the biggest problems. Exercising great care greatly reduces the risk of exposing others. Similarly, probably the most serious side effect is prostate cancer. The consensus opinion among researchers at this time is that if you get prostate cancer and are taking synthetic testosterone you will make your cancer significantly worse. If you never get prostate cancer it's moot point because otherwise, there is little evidence it does any harm to a man with a healthy prostate. A guy just needs to look at his PSA levels and family history and make the intelligent decision. Many of the other side effects, growing hair on your upper arms, pattern baldness, pimples are often related to dosage. At one time infrequent injections and implants of large quantities of synthetic testosterone were the delivery methods. Now very small daily doses are self administered cutaneously. More current studies looking at these men are showing lessened risk of unwanted side effects.

I think the biggest problems are the unknown long term effects and the whole question of whether any man other than someone with a "real medical problem" has any business taking synthetic testosterone. As I said above, I think otherwise healthy middle aged men are idiots for wanting to take it. If your a couch potato and 50 ponds overweight, start eating healthy and get off your ass. Otherwise, f*ck you! You're a gluttonous sloth. To it's credit, the article raises this point. If you're an old fart like me and are upset that you can no longer bench press 300 lbs and can only f*ck once a day on a good day, it's time you grew up and started to act your age.

If you're thinking about going on synthetic testosterone, first read a little bit about endocrinology, then read about synthetic testosterone therapy. Get an appreciate for what you will be artificially manipulating and consider that no one knows what effect it may have on you in ten or twenty years. Then ask yourself, is it really worth it?

If you decide yes, then talk to your physician.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1472151]I read the article. Obviously written by a journalist not a scientist. Journalist in general do a terrible job of reporting on science. Naturally, they are writing about something they understand superficially at best. However, I do think the general tone of skepticism that is pervasive throughout the article serves the public good.

In my earlier post I identified three primary groups who take synthetic testosterone.

(1) Athletes looking for a boost in performance; elite competitive athletes are likely to take it in combination with other drugs; will get a significant performance boost; and if caught are f*cked. The weekend warriors who take synthetic testosterone are idiots.

(2) Men with abnormally low testosterone levels; these men have a medical condition and their physician may determine a treatment regime including synthetic testosterone is warranted. The physician will know the risks and benefits and armed with test results will help the patient make the right decision. Otherwise healthy men in their forties and fifties who like the weekend warriors in group 1 just want to be like they were when they were younger are also idiots if they take synthetic testosterone. Judging by the age of the actors in the ads and commercials I see, big pharma is eager to exploit the stupidity of today's middle aged men.

Naturally these are opinions, but my opinions are always right! Haha.

(3) Older men are the last group. Some of these men may decide after talking to their physician that they are candidates for testosterone therapy. These may be men who had low normal levels when they were younger and with age have dropped below a healthy threshold. I will not even attempt to define what a healthy threshold is. Seems obvious to me that can only be determined by the patient and a physician during the discussion of actual test results. As I wrote earlier I know a few older guys taking synthetic testosterone under a doctor's supervision. They have experienced no side effects and are pleased with the results. I know a few older guy who have thought about it and decided not to for various reasons. I am one of these. I know one guy who wanted to until he talked to his physicians.[/QUOTE]To boost muscle and physical performance we use anabolic steroids. Though related to testosterone or in some cases precursor of or derived from the same parent molecule they have little effect on sex organs of an adult. They have much more pronounce effect on muscle then testosterone.

It is advisable to establish the cause of low libido and treat accordingly.

There is lot of research going on the role of Growth Hormone on aging. But this is still research and now widely practiced. Although, I know a few pharmacist using GH to delay aging

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1472151]I think the biggest problems are the unknown long term effects and the whole question of whether any man other than someone with a "real medical problem" has any business taking synthetic testosterone. As I said above, I think otherwise healthy middle aged men are idiots for wanting to take it. If your a couch potato and 50 ponds overweight, start eating healthy and get off your ass. .

If you're thinking about going on synthetic testosterone, first read a little bit about endocrinology, then read about synthetic testosterone therapy. Get an appreciate for what you will be artificially manipulating and consider that no one knows what effect it may have on you in ten or twenty years. Then ask yourself, is it really worth it?

If you decide yes, then talk to your physician.[/QUOTE]Awesome post, brother. I appreciate the educated rant. You sum up some of the important issues, as well as end with the necessary evaluation and choice each individual must make at the end of the day.

For healthy men wanting to boost their Testosterone levels and find out about aromatase-inhibiting foods, there are some good web sites out there for you to read. Try [url]http://www.peaktestosterone.com[/url], for instance. But for those of us with low T levels (blood-test verified) Testosterone replacement (TRT) in hand with awareness of Estradiol levels (hello, expanding waistline, and man boobs) , as well as the vital monitoring of the size and health of your prostate, are all important to get your head around. Like your rising blood pressure issues with age, male hormone levels need to be tracked and taken care of, so we can continue to have a good quality of life. For me, that includes a healthy mongering life, past middle-age.

I'm heading to Bangkok in a few days, and looking forward to some action. I'm not expecting fireworks, as my energy levels are still low, but a few sparklers will do just fine.

Cheers,

- Gunga

My thoughts are simple: do your roids when and if you need to look good and that way you can get laid with some pretty hot women for free. Helps for being competitive too. I'd rather spend the money for P4P in Thailand instead of doing a "run." You don't need to be fit to get a girl friend or a bar girl. You just need money. I agree, if you want to lose 50lbs, get off of your ass and move (I will get on that tomorrow) Even better, get a Thai gf and give it to her once in the morning and twice a night (at least) for your cardio. The complications are real and aren't worth the temporary gains because to keep them, you will need to do more or start the slippery slope of doing more severe body building drugs.

Not sure if I should change from the testosterone topic but what the hell.

A few night ago visited SW. What I saw was many nice lookers and a party atmosphere. Grabbed tom as she was on stage and she joined me for a cocktail. After a few minutes I knew I would have to BF her. We made a few stops at some of the bars she has not been in since she started working here. English is pretty good so we talked quite a bit and I got to know her a little. She is a nice friendly girl. I had known of her but never sampled before. Now with imagition running wild it is time to hit the room in the hotel.

She easily slips out of her clothes in the room asks if we shower. Of course we do. We can make new sweat together and enjoy that much more. Now I am thinking I wonder just how good the BJis. Rest assured it is a definite 9 in my book. Not sure if a 10 is out there but always need to leave a number in case something is found. She likes to perform a slow stroke and build the excitement. My mind is completely blank except for the occasional thought of what is next and how good is it.

She climbs on top and away we go. I was in the mood for only 2 position that night so left it at that. After the usual clean up and she headed home. I fell a sleep with a smile on my face and good feeling in my body. I will visit her again shortly as she desirves more attention and maybe another female partner to enjoy as well.

[QUOTE=Gunga Din; 1472159]Awesome post, brother. I appreciate the educated rant. You sum up some of the important issues, as well as end with the necessary evaluation and choice each individual must make at the end of the day.

For healthy men wanting to boost their Testosterone levels and find out about aromatase-inhibiting foods, there are some good web sites out there for you to read. Try.

[url]http://www.peaktestosterone.com[/url]

, for instance. But for those of us with low T levels (blood-test verified) Testosterone replacement (TRT) in hand with awareness of Estradiol levels (hello, expanding waistline, and man boobs) , as well as the vital monitoring of the size and health of your prostate, are all important to get your head around. Like your rising blood pressure issues with age, male hormone levels need to be tracked and taken care of, so we can continue to have a good quality of life. For me, that includes a healthy mongering life, past middle-age.

I'm heading to Bangkok in a few days, and looking forward to some action. I'm not expecting fireworks, as my energy levels are still low, but a few sparklers will do just fine.

Cheers,

- Gunga[/QUOTE]Too much testosterone causes men to lose their hair. Its why bald headed men are normally very sexually active and horny all the time. The testosterone helps in reducing blood flow and killing off the hair follicles.

Its why woman, after menopause, can lose their hair like men do, as their testosterne level increases.

Too much tesosterone is also an easy way to get prostrate cancer early.

Went to Suzie Wong about 9. 30PM. Packed out with customers and a lot of naked girls. Quite a few cute new girls. E. G. No. 72 and 80 looked like my types (if not too young). Even Noo Dee was dancing for a very short time before selected by a young handsome Farang (Noo Dee is never without customer for long as dazzlingly pretty semi-dark skinned girl).

I took two girls Noi and "Not" (both ex Sheba girls). We went to Lighthouse for a short time as both girls were missing their time in Sheba which was same location as new Lighthouse. The Lighthouse girls were same girls as Shark, working stints in both bars. Don't really like the blue lighting in LH. One girl Nat had a hot body and danced sort of Coyote style but in a typical shark see through bikini.

Back to hotel. Had fun with Not in the shower. It seemed that Not had been away sick for 2 weeks so no sex for 2 weeks (also no money. Syz returns just in time). Noi on other hand has been BFed virtually every day. Not's pussy was therefore excessively tight and she was scared of the dick for a while, causing a bit of stiff legged syndrome and difficult to penetrate. Had to take it very slowly to stretch her gradually inside. Fucked from behind for a bit. Noi was much easier. I was very tired from a long flight previous evening and so not at the peak of my powers. However can always do DATY no matter how tired I am. Fortunately had taken both girls LT. We all fell asleep after longish sex session. In the morning my powers were greatly restored and so sex was much better for all concerned. Finally had got Not sufficiently stretched that she could relax and take the dick properly. She was enjoying much better then. Noi was very passionate also.

Girls from Sheba were having some difficulties fitting in at Suzie Wong with many unknown girls and stricter regulations etc. Some fights between drunk girls. Noi says she has got used to SW now, and is finding it quite okay because they have a lot customers (and a lot of girls on Saturday) and she making money quite steadily.

[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1470142]Good evening Gents,

I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I'll be in BKK week. I have already done the masssage and gogo bar scene. And thoroughly enjoyed it. Will most certainly be revisiting that side. But I was just wondering if there were any conventional stripclubs in BKK, where one can go and have a drink, then get a private dance for a 4 minute song at a set price. Like a stripclub in north America, and some places in Europe.

Kkreeac[/QUOTE]Could try this. I haven't been there:

[url]http://www.strip-bangkok.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1472156]To boost muscle and physical performance we use anabolic steroids. Though related to testosterone or in some cases precursor of or derived from the same parent molecule they have little effect on sex organs of an adult. They have much more pronounce effect on muscle then testosterone.

It is advisable to establish the cause of low libido and treat accordingly.

There is lot of research going on the role of Growth Hormone on aging. But this is still research and now widely practiced. Although, I know a few pharmacist using GH to delay aging[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right, anabolic steroids have a much more dramatic effect on strength, muscular development and recovery from workouts. There are some medical conditions for which they are a legitimate treatment, such as certain geriatric conditions. Weightlifters and other athletes using them to improve performance are badly misusing the drug and at great personal risk.

HGH is a whole different matter. I know two guys, both a couple years older than me, who under a physicians supervision self administer daily HGH injections. To hear them talk you would think they have discovered the fountain of youth. As with synthetic testosterone, I think it is a most serious decision to make. I've thought about. Decided not to before getting as far as talking to my doctor.

[QUOTE=Gunga Din; 1472159]I appreciate the educated rant.

But for those of us with low T levels (blood-test verified) Testosterone replacement (TRT) in hand with awareness of Estradiol levels (hello, expanding waistline, and man boobs) , as well as the vital monitoring of the size and health of your prostate, are all important to get your head around. Like your rising blood pressure issues with age, male hormone levels need to be tracked and taken care of, so we can continue to have a good quality of life. For me, that includes a healthy mongering life, past middle-age.

Cheers,

- Gunga[/QUOTE]Yes, I adopted my raving fanatic persona while writing that, among other posts. I hope I made it clear my opinion, which doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the overall scheme of things, is that for some men it is an efficacious treatment that improves quality of life. For some men it's all about vanity, which is a p*ss poor reason to manipulate your endocrines.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68;1471936]Secondly, what is ISG?[/QUOTE]ISG is where you are now.

International Sex Guide Forum.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum[/url]

[QUOTE=Carpediemyes; 1472347]ISG is where you are now.

International Sex Guide Forum.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum[/url][/QUOTE]Well I can see why the question is beeing raised (what is ISG?) as ISG now has turned into a forum for testo craving guys. But I guess in time it will slowly direct itself towards what matters. Sex with Thaigirls or simular. Secondly it could be me beeing wrong but medical advices given by googling "experts" inside here is not my cup of tea. Well well I leave it at that.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1472394]Well I can see why the question is beeing raised (what is ISG?) as ISG now has turned into a forum for testo craving guys. But I guess in time it will slowly direct itself towards what matters. Sex with Thaigirls or simular. Secondly it could be me beeing wrong but medical advices given by googling "experts" inside here is not my cup of tea. Well well I leave it at that.[/QUOTE]There is nothing worse than crap anecdotal medical information; it is full of inaccuracies and ultimately dangerous.

But then many sex reports on here are (I) crap, (ii) anecdotal, (iii) inaccurate, and (iv). Possibly. Dangerous. But even given that they are much more interesting.

Seven weeks and counting!

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1472398]There is nothing worse than crap anecdotal medical information; it is full of inaccuracies and ultimately dangerous.[/QUOTE]Dear Scorchin,

I am eager to learn. Please tell me, what did I, or anyone else who waded into the discussion on synthetic testosterone, write that was crap, inaccurate and dangerous? In your opinion, did we error in emphasizing the importance of talking to a physician?

Perhaps I wasted a bunch of time reading medical journals, talking to doctors, a friend who does research in human endocrinology and another buddy who is an MD / PHD and works in the pharmaceutical industry.

Also, help me understand how discussions of remedies, legitimate and otherwise, for erectile dysfunction and low libido are irrelevant to a sex forum.

Thank you, Paul