Seoul

I know what you mean, wish more places everywhere was like her, not just the hill. I am personnaly tired of her show but its always good to hear other people having a good time with her. She may not be the heavyweight cock-sucking champion of the world anymore, but does put forth a tremendous effort to please.

[QUOTE=Gas Can]

I Wish more of the places on the Hill were like that. No BS with drinks or trying to con you into spending money. Just a straight deal.

Have a great New Year all.[/QUOTE]

Went into Peach Fuzz last night. It is the typical small bj bar the hill is known for. She asked me to buy her drink. I asked how much for a bj. She said 200k. I started to laugh and put my coat back on. I ran through my routine: I have lived here 3 years. 40k bj, 100k fs. After a minute, she got it. She told me it is her routine for new people. I explained that I have heard that a bunch.

Bottom line: 30 minutes of fs for 100k. She wasn't bad looking and had fake chee-chees (one of my turn-ons). Great oral skil. Unfortunately, she performed great for a couple minutes, then expected me to do the rest.

To summerize: if I am going to pay 100k for fs, i minus well go to Janghanpyeong and get a massage out of it.

Peace,

Poon Hunter

[QUOTE=Dxb Cat]Hi guys,

I'm new in Seoul and slowly adjusting to life here and looking forward to trying some of the places detailed in your reports.

I'm only on page 25 of 171 so I've still a long way to go.

Being new I don't know any of the language but have noticed signs on some motels, a red line with 3 flames vertically above it. Also on some buildings that are not motels.

Are these places

1) Massage?
2) Sauna?
3) Coffee shops ( a la Java logo)?

Or any other combination?

Please let me know what I can expect to find there and what the system is.

Also what's the deal with the barber shops? Is 1 pole a pukka haircut place and 2 and more indicating extras?[/QUOTE]Welcome to Korea, Dxb Cat!

I've been here nearly five years. While that doesn't make me an expert, by any stretch of the imagination, I'll share with you what I can.

The sign which you describe (three flaming red lines) does not necessarily indicate anything to do with sex. Typically, I think, it indicates a sauna, which may be purely legitimate (read, nothing sexual in nature on offer). Otherwise, it may simply indicate a yeogwan (cheap hotel) which is equipped . . . er . . . with hot water. A bit of an anachronism, I think: South Korea was a third-world country just a few short decades ago, the kind of place where hot water was something to advertise as a kind of luxury.

If you're looking for sex in Seoul:

Best bets used to be the RLDs (red light districts). I always found Yongsan to be the best. Go to Yongsan station (easily findable on any subway map), and directly opposite the station you will find a huge, pink-lit RLD. Most of the women won't take you if you aren't Korean or at least Korean-looking; however, down the side alleys which are easily locatable all around, you could find women who would happily service you. I say "could," and not "can," because the crackdown which has been in effect for just over a year now means that RLDs are not normally running at full capacity. Many of the houses are at least temporarily closed, and some very likely permanently closed. So you may find Yongsan and other RLDs in Korea to resemble ghost towns. They've been intimidated by the local police into all but closing down.

I had some great times at Yongsan RLD in years past. More recently, sad to say, the crackdown on prostitution here in Korea has made visiting such places a risky business. If the police show up, you may very well be in trouble. I DON'T MEAN TO BE A FEAR-MONGER, just a realist. RLDs here, in my own recent experience, have been heavily police-patrolled. Live dangerously if you want to.

One place which seems to have escaped the crackdown so far (though no one seems to know why!) is Hooker Hill in Itaweon. Took me a long time, originally, to find this place, but I'll give you simple instructions. Look for the mosque at the top of one of Itaewon's hills. Head upwards toward the mosque from the main drag. In this vicinity, you'll find lots of girly bars. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Unfortunately, many of these bargirls will attempt to cheat you--if past experience is anything to go by. You could easily find yourself paying 100,000 won or more in return for very little but a beer or two and lots of promises. Be hard-nosed about it, and negotiate for what you want upfront. All of the bar girls here are hookers, but many if not most of them will try to drain your wallet dry in exchange for little or no work, if they can. Be shrewd and be proactive.

Barbershops are hit-and-miss. Most will give a mediocre massage followed by some sort of handjob, after which, frankly, you may walk away feeling used to no purpose. Satisfactory sex is normally best looked for elsewhere. Seriously, you will often as not be serviced by an ugly middle-aged housewife who will not even remove her top for you. She'll just vigorously stroke your member and/or climb or top, without removing anything but her panties, avert her head, and let you bang away at her from below until finish without eye contact, nakedness of any sort, playfulness of any sort, or anything at all but the basic mechanics of Mr. P. entering Miss(us) V. Surprisingly unsatisfactory: call it "factory sex."

If you've got the cash, I'd recommend an anma, or upscale massage place. These are not hard to find, though you may need to be able to read the Korean. You can typically enjoy a nude bath, massage, and sex with a young, sexy woman--though you may pay over 150,000 for the pleasure. Trust me that after having been ripped off a few times on Hooker Hill, buying overpriced lady drinks in return for little or nothing, the price may seem worth it to you.

In conclusion, Yongsan RLD is still my favorite, although it might be completely shut down by the police if you arrive at the wrong time, and is frankly a bit hit-or-miss. Some of the gals are wonderful; others are crassly commercial, in it only for the quick buck, and will treat you quite poorly. USE YOUR DISCRETION, read body language and eyes, and accept a genuine invititation if you can. But don't forget that the police are right around the corner, either.

SS

[QUOTE=Dxb Cat]
Being new I don't know any of the language but have noticed signs on some motels, a red line with 3 flames vertically above it. Also on some buildings that are not motels.

Are these places

1) Massage?
2) Sauna?
3) Coffee shops ( a la Java logo)?
[/QUOTE]

That are straight saunas. No sex. Just your typical Korean public bathing place.

This is great advice, bet everyone thats been busted since the crackdown wished they were given and heeded this advice.

[QUOTE=Sukhumvit Sam]

I had some great times at Yongsan RLD in years past. More recently, sad to say, the crackdown on prostitution here in Korea has made visiting such places a risky business. If the police show up, you may very well be in trouble. I DON'T MEAN TO BE A FEAR-MONGER, just a realist. RLDs here, in my own recent experience, have been heavily police-patrolled. Live dangerously if you want to.

SS[/QUOTE]
Not true, this area is heavily patrolled by the military guard dogs and Korean police are always out there although not as much as before. People do get popped on the hill. Even if you are not military,the idea that you have to stop and show ID to prove who you are makes this environment unattractive to monger in. This place is so bad that the GIs have given up on it and move on to other areas. The best time to visit it is during the day, but don't expect to get much here but dogs, it aint nothing like it once was. Anmas are expensive but probably one of the best bet in town. Interesting to see what will happen in 2007,the scheduled shutdown of the RLDs in Korea.

[QUOTE=Sukhumvit Sam]
One place which seems to have escaped the crackdown so far (though no one seems to know why!) is Hooker Hill in Itaweon. Took me a long time, originally, to find this place, but I'll give you simple instructions. Look for the mosque at the top of one of Itaewon's hills. Head upwards toward the mosque from the main drag. In this vicinity, you'll find lots of girly bars. Shouldn't be too difficult.

SS[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hi Rub]Timeoff, are you Asian, or can any foreignor hit up this place? How much did you pay for the 5 hours? I'm a real big fan of the extended ***** experience.

Thanks for the post.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm Asian. If you don't speak the language it would be tough to build a rapport, that is if your ultimate goal is to take the girl out of the place. The deal was all nighter for 500K won. I could have stayed longer, but I left early.

Thanks for the info Sukhumvit Sam.

I guess from your handle you're more used to the LOS scene. Me too!!

I found both Yongsan and Hooker Hill in my first week!! Quite by accident of course ;-) I went shopping at the E-Mart at Yongsan and fell over the RLD there. Had a walk up and down and there was very few girls.

I'd also been warned about HH so only had a few beers and a rekkie.

If those plces are the 'best' Seoul has to offer I'd better stick to the missus.

Good comments on the Military Police checks on Hooker Hill. They can be a pain-in-the-ass, although it's mainly just an inconvenience if you're a civilian.

If the Hill is still your preference. And despite everything, it still has its gems and a bargin or two. You can avoid the military by going before 9PM and after 1AM. The patrols officially start at 7PM, but the guys doing them don't make it to the Hill until later. They officially stop 1 hour after curfew (usually 1AM), but by 1: 00-1: 30AM, most of the guys doing the patrols are just looking to get out of there as soon as possible. Especially when it's cold.

Many of the clubs don't bring their "A" girls on until after 10PM, so you aren't missing much during "Primetime" anyway. For day time action you can hit the Royal/VIP, Fantasy (with the ever popular Miya), and a few non-Hill clubs like Nymph and the Cabin. Most are open between 2-4PM, and Miya is usually on the job by 1PM.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]This is great advice, bet everyone thats been busted since the crackdown wished they were given and heeded this advice.


Not true, this area is heavily patrolled by the military guard dogs and Korean police are always out there although not as much as before. People do get popped on the hill. Even if you are not military, the idea that you have to stop and show ID to prove who you are makes this environment unattractive to monger in. This place is so bad that the GIs have given up on it and move on to other areas. The best time to visit it is during the day, but don't expect to get much here but dogs, it aint nothing like it once was. Anmas are expensive but probably one of the best bet in town. Interesting to see what will happen in 2007, the scheduled shutdown of the RLDs in Korea. [/QUOTE]

There is an abundance of Filipina flesh in Osan, Pyongtaek, Uijongbu, and Tonducheon. But I was wondering. Has anyone found a reliable source of Filipina providers in Seoul?

I know they work in a lot of the higher-end room salons, but $1000 a pop for chep beer, squid, and the "possibility" of something afterward isn't appealing. On the other hand, it would be good to not have to drive an hour to try a non-Korean flavor.

Went back to Seoul recently after some time and wanted to check out a nice Anma place I'd been to before, two houses up from the Novotel Kangnam (which in turn is next to the Ritz). Had been there before, even post-crackdown, but was told 'No Foreigners' this time.

Went diagonally across the road, slightly downhill, there's another Anma called 'King's Anma'. Got the service there, for the usual price.

Has anyone had a similar experience? I've never been turned away by an Anma before, are some just following the RLD policy of 'No foreigners for A-Row girls'?

Friends is now totally fucked, as is Orange, in Hakdong.

I don't actually believe that the owner DOES want foreigners, as Gonad states. I have known him a long time and, in the past, he would have "solved the problem" by now. These days, I fear, he feels it's just not worth the hassle. I mean, there are 101 ways he COULD be creative, in his thinking that would enable foreign custom, without threatening his Korean base - don't expect it to happen in my lifetime, though. The truth is, he is sick of the whole massage business.

I have it on first hand authority that he now runs a service station (gas station and auto repairs) near Ilsan.

I asked the guy at Orange (Hakdong) if any of the places nearby would take care of foreigners. He rang the owner of Tiffany, who said "yes" - but since it was New Year's Eve, it was closed. To find Tiffany, you need to know where "Neighbour" is. Neighbour is the former BVLGARI STRESS CLINIC, around the corner from Cha Hospital, 10 minutes walk from Yeoksam Station (Exit 7). Incidentally, I was the first foreign customer to visit Bvlgari, when it opened in late 2003. I was regular enough to sleep over on weekends - and got to fuck a girl from there a few times, when she was off duty. I called the other day and, even though they remembered me, it was the same story. "Sorry - no foreigners." I'm sure that only applies to white and black foreigners and, that if you look like a Korean, you should be fine.

Anyway, Tiffany is directly across the road from there. I believe it is the same road as the fancy hotels, just a little further down, past the lights.

Don't know when I'll be there again, so if anyone DOES manage to visit, please report.

Have not ventured out to BLUE near Hwagok as I can't remember which bus gets me near there from Seoul. Maybe I have saved time and money if, indeed, it turns out to be as big a dud as Friends, Orange and Neighbour.



[QUOTE=Gonad Man]Sam-

I may be inclined to agree with that assessment and I may be inclined to disagree too. The other day, in a drunken state I decided to spoil myself to a nice massage and screw at a local Ahn Ma in Yeoksam, called Paradise. The price was 200,000 won. This was a good deal more than the 160,000 I was quoted a year ago. Nevertheless I went to the room, met a girl with no strengths or weaknesses in the looks department and got a rushed oil rub and fuck. Half way through I was told to hurry up. That got me a little mad and I started fucking her twice as hard and took my good time to bust that nut. After, I asked them what happened to the whole slow seduction of it, plus I remembered that there should've been a blind massage prelude. They said it was just a service. Hmph. What a waste, I thought as I left. On my way home I calculated and re-calculated just how many Thai hookers I could've bought that though uglier would have left me warm and fuzzy afterward.

On the other hand I can think back to a visit I made to Paradise in Jang An Dong which blew my mind, about 9 months ago. It was unrushed and the girl was mega hot.

So use caution. The word from my Korean friend is that there is a place called Temple around Jang An Dong and it's the bomb. I'm not sure of the foreigner status of the place, but if you can get a service there you will have every need catered to. But personally I think that a nice Thai girl is both friendlier and much better in bed. In fact, I'm yet to meet any Korean girl who is better in bed than your average Thai.

Someone asked earlier about Friends. Don't bother. It's not that the owner doesn't like foreigners or doesn't want them. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's just that some fool on the Korean WSG has made trouble for his shop. Who knew that handjobs carried risk from dirty foreigners eh? Maybe some eraser dick is scared the girls will laugh when he whips it out after the comparison. Anyway, there's nothing special there these days so you're not really missing out on anything.

It seems that there's fun to be had everywhere but Korea these days...[/QUOTE]

You know why?

Because Korean people do not like to see foreigners at their venues no matter you are western or asian or black person. This is because of the fear at ADIS. However, I took my western friends and asian friends to ANMA many times and always accepted. I think this is because I am a Korean and I can push them to accept my firend as a guest by offering little more money depending on the situation.

Regarding RLD crackdown, now the government is loosing its tension and people have started to go to RLD, ANMAs, barber shops, etc and no more worries. you can go there and fuck them without any problems because the meat shops still open are have informers or connection with jurisdiction or police.

You still can find many freelancers at Itaewon or many other places where foreigners gather. I spend my x-mas eve of 2005 at Itaewon and saw many korean free lancers looking for customers. many of them were pretty and sold over 8 out of 10.

Anyway, members of this forum do not have a roundtable? It would be of great fun if we are on round table and share our experience like other forums. lol.

[QUOTE=New World Order]Around the red light districts, you may see a few guys walk up to you and tell you if they can show you around. Say no!

A foreign friend of mine said yes and these two guys drove him to a nearby motel and promised him a cute girl for half the price.

He paid for the motel (20,000 won) and the guys never showed up.

Also, if you walk into a red light district, zip your pockets. Some mamasans will try and take your wallet.[/QUOTE]I had some guy offering russian girls, karaoke room girls who would spend the night at my motel, or anma experience. After talking about it at great length, he convinced me on the karaoke girls idea at 170k W. However, he wanted me to get in his car because it's supposedly not walking distance, and I said no way for safety reasons.

Later I talked to desk clerk at my motel, and he told me those karaoke places are drinking places. And, they will milk you for your money while you are getting slammed by alcohol. And, they might charge you funny on your credit card at end.

Earlier somebody was inquiring about karaoke sex places that he heard about. I am not sure if he meant these kinds. And, maybe in some places, girls actually give it up right there by the table like in Japan's pink salons or in a side room. But, being here alone in Seoul, I wouldn't want to chance it. Kyopo or no Kyopo. Plus, my Korean is not that strong.

Ho Man,

You mentioned that you were 'regular' to stay over night and sleep at one anma. Is over-night sleep-overs available at most anmas? I've been paying for Seoul hotels anyway, so why not get some good time and then fall asleep I figure. (I would go over now and ask, but I am outside Seoul right now.) Can you or one of you mongers tell me an experience of staying over-night at an anma, especially the protocol and cost in addition to the normal service? Are these clean? Much appreciated if you can reply to this post or PM me about this.

Also, if there is any anma that offers more than a single shot on girl's goal, time (over 1 hr with girl), or anything else unusal, please let me know. Or,let me know if there is any anmas charging less than the normal 180k W.

I am kind of tired of the pink room girls at RLDs now, and time is running out before I have to leave Korea. The reason why I'm getting bored.

Ok, so far I've been to Yongsan and Yong Deng Po RLD. Being Kyopo, I've been to only A-row girls. Except for my very first girl, bj's were all bb, and fs all covered. Except for one A-row girl who was over 30 and a notch-down in looks who was amazing, all these girls were pretty good, with some kissing, but hardly gfe. One of them actually said no kissing, no touching the tits, and only missionary (I became limp and she had to finish me with her hand). And, after 10-15 minutes of deed, they tell me that time is running out and to hurry up. Yongsan girls tend to be on the 10 minute side. Except for occasional super eye candy experience, the experience is getting redundant now. Oh, how excited I was when I got here few weeks ago.

So, I am little bored now having had about 9 sessions with Yongsan and Yong Deng Po girls in two weeks that I've been in Seoul so far. With 9 times, I don't have the deepest experience with RLD pink room actions but still able to say a few things. I've gone in mornings, evenings and middle of nights. Just as my impression, the best time probably is at 4 am, when customers are passed through, street is empty except for girls in business and girls too tired to not give a too much crap anymore (which can be bad or good for you) and not hurry you up. Also, Yongsan A-row non-evening girls are not so good, while Yong Deng Po non-evening girls (only A-row in Yong Deng Po... sorry) are always great. I tried to look for B-row action in Yongsan, so I can get some anal, bbbjcim, longer time, or ANYthing different from what I had - what I have heard on the board. However, every time I've been there, I can't see anybody on the side streets except for this strange girl in white who always has her face away from the street. But, then again, I always looked very quickly.

So, I am now going to try anmas, preferrably ones where I can stay over night in, because I have to pay for hotel while in Seoul anyway. I figure BBS are like pink rooms of fast sex without the selection of girls.

I think I will try out Jang An Dong area and report back.

[QUOTE=Cocoroso]You know why?

Because Korean people do not like to see foreigners at their venues no matter you are western or asian or black person. This is because of the fear at ADIS. However, [b]I took my western friends and asian friends to ANMA many times and always accepted. I think this is because I am a Korean and I can push them to accept my firend as a guest by offering little more money depending on the situation.[/b]

Regarding RLD crackdown, now the government is loosing its tension and people have started to go to RLD, ANMAs, barber shops, etc and no more worries. [b]you can go there and fuck them without any problems because the meat shops still open are have informers or connection with jurisdiction or police.[/b]

[b]You still can find many freelancers at Itaewon or many other places where foreigners gather.[/b] I spend my x-mas eve of 2005 at Itaewon and saw many korean free lancers looking for customers. many of them were pretty and sold over 8 out of 10.

Anyway, members of this forum do not have a roundtable? It would be of great fun if we are on round table and share our experience like other forums. lol.[/QUOTE]


Very true.

For foreigners, it is best to go to the RLD, massage parlor, or barbershop with a Korean friend.

When I go to 588, Miari Texas, a massage parlor or barbershop, I bring my foreign friends along. And I would kindly tell the mamasans to accept my friends. And they will (especially is I am their loyal customer).

There is a massage parlor in southern Seoul (right next to the Renaissance Hotel) called Zeus. This place accepts foreigners. The price is 180,000 won for two hours of fun. One hour of a massage from a blind man or lady. And one hour of shower and fuck. Foreigners also pay the same local rate (180,000). I'm sorry but I do not have their phone number.

The policemen at the red light districts are nothing but show. It's just a stupid P.R. stunt. Just do your thing (fuck the girl) and leave quietly, then you will be fine. Even if you make eye contact with the police, just smile, bow your head a bit, and leave.

As for freelancers, if you pick them up, please take care of your personal belongings. Either put them in a safe or zip your pockets. And wear a condom. These freelancers are not as clean as the *****s. Because the *****s get their regular AIDS and STD checkup once a week.